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Title: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2010, 01:23:53 AM
According to the Daily Mail, it would appear Citeh and Chelsea think £24m will be enough for us to part with young James.
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Manchester City nip in quick for £24m Aston Villa star James Milner as Chelsea express interest
Manchester City will give the first sign in the next 48 hours of their summer transfer spending power with an offer for Aston Villa midfielder James Milner, thought to be £24million.
Mindful of Fabio Capello's rule that England players must not negotiate transfers during World Cup duty, City have moved quickly.
They expect Chelsea to compete for Milner and want to declare their interest first. Villa are expecting Chelsea to match City's offer this week.
Sources close to the player believe Villa will demand closer to £30m to even consider selling Milner, 24, which would make him one of the most expensive signings in English football history.
The England midfielder has had an excellent season with Aston Villa, but City believe Randy Lerner is ready to cash in on the former Leeds and Newcastle star. Lerner has told manager Martin O'Neill he must sell before he can buy.
O'Neill is likely to resist the transfer, but it would enable him to add to his squad this summer. Selling the popular Milner for £24m would represent a 100 per cent profit for Villa, who signed him from Newcastle for £12m in 2008.
Complete article here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1278960/Manchester-City-nip-quick-24m-Aston-Villa-star-James-Milner-Chelsea-express-interest.html).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2010, 02:11:03 AM
At the risk of being lynched, if it pushes up closer to £30 million I'd be tempted to bite. That's close to a British transfer record, after all.
Last season was big for him, but our midfield still looked overrun and short of ideas for large parts of the campaign. £30 mill on top of any other money set aside from RL would give us a chance to substantially restructure that area and up top.
I accept it might look like a backward step, but a large part of where Tottenham have got to is based on trading at profit. Carrick signed for £3 mill > sold at £16 mill; Berbatov signed for £10 mill > sold for £30 mill and so on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 17, 2010, 02:45:24 AM
This would be a much easier decision if our 'Scouting Network' had the ability to find a gem to replace him. Trouble is, they don't, so replacing him will cost around £30 million.
I also don't belive that we've anyone from the youth set-up that's close to being premiership-ready (on a full-time basis) and Delph is a season away from showing what he's capable of again.
Having Milner is like having an extra player. We've seen that when Petrov fades away. So we'd have to buy two bloody good midfielders to give us that kind of energy and flexibility. Is MoN capable of finding them.
I dunno.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2010, 03:01:06 AM
Any potential replacement won't be an unknown gem scouted for months, I'd be pretty certain of that.
Doesn't have to be a direct replacement either, but say Ireland and a genuine DM might go along way to giving us more variation in the middle of the park.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 17, 2010, 03:03:27 AM
Pure conjecture, but would Barry and Ireland plus money on top be a bad deal?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Beijing Villan on May 17, 2010, 03:07:55 AM
Deja vu all over again. Man City in for quality Villa midfielder.
Given Milner's storming performances this season it is no surprise that clubs are sniffing around him. On a positive note I'm glad that it is Citeh and Chelsea who are doing the sniffing, maximises our fee potential.
Don't want to see Milner go, but if we are offered silly money then we would have to consider who we could bring in as a replacement. 24 mill is simply a conversation starter, if it happens it will likely be closer to 30 mill.
How much will vdV cost us?
One ace up our sleeve is to remind Jimmy to look at what happened to GazBaz. He made his name at Villa, he earned his England place at Villa but then he struggled a little at Man City. From being a locked on England starter he seems to have fallen a little down the pecking order given his performances this season.
Every player has his price and every player is replacable. Even Manure found it hard to say no when someone offered 60mill for the ladyboy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 17, 2010, 04:16:59 AM
Does anyone know anything about Milner's agent? Is he a deceptive bag of filth like Barry's who'll quickly calculate what 10% of the deal is worth and start touting his client about?
Milner doesn't strike me as the kind of lad that would fuck the Villa over. When Newcastle buggered him, he just went to work in a professional manner for the people who paid his salary and they got a good price for him from the Villa. As such, whatever dollar value Money City and Chelsea are prepared to pay, I'm pretty confident that we'll get every last penny of it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 17, 2010, 04:29:43 AM
I don't think Milner has an agent, I think he uses the PFA instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Countryside Villain on May 17, 2010, 05:57:56 AM
To coin a recent phrase, this would be a red line for me. All other players have a price this season but Milner staying is an absolute must. We are not a feeder club and shouldn't be seen as willing to part with our best players every summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on May 17, 2010, 06:51:46 AM
I don't remember us selling our best player a couple of years ago when a Chumps League side came calling (in the papers).
And I don't remember us selling our best player last summer. I do however remember us getting rid of a certain Lardarse who ended up finishing the season qualifying for the same European competition as us.
Until proved otherwise, this rumour however is nothing other than a rumour and deserves to go here (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=37505). Or indeed here (http://www.football-rumours.co.uk/). Glad to know that place still exists. But why does nobody say 100% gospel any more?!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 17, 2010, 07:52:18 AM
Our transfer funds are limited, so if we want to overhaul the squad, we may have to sell.
It'll be like the David Platt saga all over again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 17, 2010, 08:04:56 AM
Quote from: "Countryside Villain"
We are not a feeder club and shouldn't be seen as willing to part with our best players every summer.
I am a huge Milner fan, I thought he was great in his loan season, and has been outstanding for us as a permanent signing. I don't wnt him to go.
But the reality is that this summer he is going to be seduced by all those other high-rollers at the World Cup and Randy will have the prospect of a tify profit to consider - to offset a number of transfer losses.The resale values of Harewood, NRC, Petrov and Sidwell are perhaps £10m between them - as opposed to the £25m odd outlaid.
Feeder club? It is only in recent years that the better clubs have wanted our players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Harte on May 17, 2010, 08:09:51 AM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Our transfer funds are limited, so if we want to overhaul the squad, we may have to sell.
It'll be like the David Platt saga all over again.
I seem to remember a lot of good came out of that.
That said, we had a manager who could wheel and deal back then. I not sure the present one can.
Indeed. Atkinson assembled a new squad and in his 2nd season nearly won us the League. I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 17, 2010, 08:13:23 AM
If the fee was £30m as a minimum I could understand if Villa accept it. I'd be really gutted to see him go though, not just because of his quality, but he seems a really genuine, honest bloke as well, and in these days it's getting harder and harder to 'like' the players in the game.
I'd also be concerned about how MON could spend the money - does he have the guts or motivation to spend that money on a number of players that will take us forward again, gievn that the next step up will be the hardest. If he had more of a scouting network and was willing to purchase non-UK-based players I'd be more confident.
Then again, it might all be bobbins.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2010, 08:22:39 AM
We had all this last year with Young. It seems MON finds the latest Young player of the year and he's wished off to all the big spenders in the media.
I dont see Milner going anywhere this summer. The offer we'd probably listen to I just dont see coming in. I dont care who is supposedly bidding, there will be better value elsewhere for them. Were we a club struggling with money or needing a massive overhaul of the team, maybe. But we're not.
We need to build a team around Milner and we need to add a few players to improve, not wholesale changes. So unless a stupid ridiculous offer comes in, I see no point in selling Milner and I think Randy and MON will see it the same way.
Keep Milner, buy the next young player of the year to play with him, push on and finish above the likes of Man fucking City. We have a number of players to sell to raise extra funds, Milner had better not be one of them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 17, 2010, 08:27:41 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
At the risk of being lynched, if it pushes up closer to £30 million I'd be tempted to bite. That's close to a British transfer record, after all.
Last season was big for him, but our midfield still looked overrun and short of ideas for large parts of the campaign. £30 mill on top of any other money set aside from RL would give us a chance to substantially restructure that area and up top.
I accept it might look like a backward step, but a large part of where Tottenham have got to is based on trading at profit. Carrick signed for £3 mill > sold at £16 mill; Berbatov signed for £10 mill > sold for £30 mill and so on.
I won't lynch you as I agree in many ways. Milner is good, maybe potentially very good, but he is not worth anything like that IMO based on one decent season. And he wouldn't take Man City to the sort of level they want to be...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2010, 08:36:10 AM
Teams generally get worse when they sell their best players. There are exceptions, but thats what they are, exceptions. How we're supposed to compete for 4th if we lose a player every summer is beyond me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: E I Adio on May 17, 2010, 08:40:28 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Keep Milner, buy the next young player of the year to play with him, push on and finish above the likes of Man fucking City. We have a number of players to sell to raise extra funds, Milner had better not be one of them.
This! with knobs on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on May 17, 2010, 08:41:06 AM
Young player of the year, recently established in England set-up, exemplary attitude, amazing potential, about to be put on world stage in South Africa - don't even think about offering less than 45m.
And should such an offer materialise, wait until he's had a great world cup, and then ask them to double it.
Either Man City or the writer of this article are fucking idiotic. As if we'd sell for such a derisory amount - even 30m - before he went in the football world's greatest shop window. Twats.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andrew08 on May 17, 2010, 08:49:14 AM
Quote from: richard moore
Quote from: "KevinGage"
At the risk of being lynched, if it pushes up closer to £30 million I'd be tempted to bite. That's close to a British transfer record, after all.
Last season was big for him, but our midfield still looked overrun and short of ideas for large parts of the campaign. £30 mill on top of any other money set aside from RL would give us a chance to substantially restructure that area and up top.
I accept it might look like a backward step, but a large part of where Tottenham have got to is based on trading at profit. Carrick signed for £3 mill > sold at £16 mill; Berbatov signed for £10 mill > sold for £30 mill and so on.
The spuds anology is spot on. Take the money and reinvest.We're not bank rolled like citeh and chelski but we are well financed enough to trade our squad up every summer.
Good tactics Randy.We can all argue about the man in charge doing the trading up and if he has improved us every season or not. I think he has so carry on..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 17, 2010, 08:52:25 AM
I would genuinely only consider something like 40 million and Ireland. If we sell for much less, as Troy says our 'scouting network' is unlikely to unearth anyone.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2010, 08:56:24 AM
Ignoring the spurs analogy, what about the "standard" analogy? Club sells player for fortune, spends it on crap or not at all and don't improve. *points at Man U*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheMalandro on May 17, 2010, 08:57:12 AM
Fergie will be knocking on the door this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2010, 09:01:25 AM
I'm going to agree with greg here. Selling your best players is just never a good idea. When you've had the best of them, maybe but not when they are going to improve.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2010, 09:02:59 AM
Quote from: "Malandro"
Fergie will be knocking on the door this summer.
- Knock! knock!
- Who's there?
- Fergie.
- Fuck off, Fergie!
Title: Re: James Milner bids?
Post by: Ads on May 17, 2010, 09:23:54 AM
Quote from: "Mail"
but City believe Randy Lerner is ready to cash in on the former Leeds and Newcastle star. Lerner has told manager Martin O'Neill he must sell before he can buy.
It must have been his 'Milner is not for sale/we won't sell him' comments that lead the Mail to believe this when plucking a rumour out of their arse.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: myf on May 17, 2010, 09:31:18 AM
Wasn't this year the first season in Milner's career in which he had the same manager at the start and end of it? If so, I would expect he would like a bit of stability. I'd like to think he would stay for another year, particularly if MON does.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on May 17, 2010, 09:38:56 AM
Milner has a good head on his shoulders. I don't think he'd move on purely for money. I think he's the sort who is quite happy and feels lucky, to be earning what he's earning now. I don't think his eyes would light up and show dollar signs if he was offered 100k a week.
Trophies may come into his thinking, but I do believe with O Neill remaining, we have a good year or two with Milner. If he gets to 27-28 and hasn't won anything here, or we start regressing, then he'd think about moving.
I might be completely wrong, but to me, Milner seems like a model pro, and a lad of real integrity. He knows that a big reason he's now possibly the most sought after English player going, is because of Martin O Neills input. His progression since he came here has been nothing short of astonishing. I think he'll keep getting better too. If he goes to City or Chelsea, and maybe has to bide some time on the bench, he could stand still. He's gonna be a future England captain.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2010, 09:39:09 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Teams generally get worse when they sell their best players. There are exceptions, but thats what they are, exceptions. How we're supposed to compete for 4th if we lose a player every summer is beyond me.
We haven't, so don't panic just yet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on May 17, 2010, 10:02:53 AM
Didn't Randy say last week that James Milner will not be sold? Mon is staying, so he must believe that with the money he can raise and whatever Randy gives him, he can improve the team. If you have a player who has one good season, a purple patch, and someone offers you silly money, of course you take it. But Milner is the sort of player who will only get better. A new contract, a good World Cup, another good season and £24 Mil would just be a down payment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2010, 10:04:49 AM
Mr Lerner isn't stupid. No chairman would sell their prize asset before the World Cup. I posted this link originally late last night and didn't really think about this. Poor journalism....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DB on May 17, 2010, 10:11:56 AM
Just paper talk, season is over World cup hasn't started they have column inches to fill, pay no attention. By the end of the summer we ill have been linked with many playes and our best players linked with other clubs. Until MON says there is any truth in it or I see Milner holding up their shrt next to custard pants then ignore.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2010, 10:46:22 AM
Quote from: "garyfouroaks"
Quote from: "Countryside Villain"
We are not a feeder club and shouldn't be seen as willing to part with our best players every summer.
I am a huge Milner fan, I thought he was great in his loan season, and has been outstanding for us as a permanent signing. I don't wnt him to go.
But the reality is that this summer he is going to be seduced by all those other high-rollers at the World Cup and Randy will have the prospect of a tify profit to consider - to offset a number of transfer losses.The resale values of Harewood, NRC, Petrov and Sidwell are perhaps £10m between them - as opposed to the £25m odd outlaid.
Feeder club? It is only in recent years that the better clubs have wanted our players.
If he has a good world Cup his value may go up. I still don't want him to go but as long as we replace him with equal or better I don't mind but the problem is finding someone equal or better.
Ireland would be good, maybe we can use him in a swap deal. Maybe throw in Johnson & Richards
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2010, 10:54:04 AM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 17, 2010, 11:05:47 AM
As I've said elsewhere. If Man United come in for him, I couldn't blame him for wanting to go there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irish villain on May 17, 2010, 11:28:31 AM
We need to hold onto him for another season at least. We need another crack at the top four and have been getting closer (slowly but surely) over the last couple of seasons.
If he wanted to move next year after we had taken a step backwards I would understand but he seems to have a genuine affinity for villa and seems to appreciate his time here on loan a few years back.
Besides, £24m?? We'd be mad to accept anything less than about £35m for a young English player about to enter the prime of his career.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: YamPie on May 17, 2010, 11:45:35 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
LOL
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2010, 11:47:10 AM
In our favour - he's only been here a year (which is not going to go for us with players like Ashley, who have given it what they might term a fair shot with us).
Against us - it is Manchester United.
I'm now hoping Milner doesn't get too much of a run out in the World Cup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 17, 2010, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
In our favour - he's only been here a year (which is not going to go for us with players like Ashley, who have given it what they might term a fair shot with us).
Against us - it is Manchester United.
I'm now hoping Milner doesn't get too much of a run out in the World Cup.
He's probably too knackered having played so much this season to get a decent run.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 17, 2010, 11:53:12 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
In our favour - he's only been here a year (which is not going to go for us with players like Ashley, who have given it what they might term a fair shot with us).
Against us - it is Manchester United.
I'm now hoping Milner doesn't get too much of a run out in the World Cup.
Two years, but you're right, he hasnt been here long enough to give up on any chances of us achieving his ambitions and he's still very young.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on May 17, 2010, 12:11:21 PM
I love Milner, but £30m+ would be too good to turn down.
Let's say we got a silly offer, say money and a combination of Ireland, Richards/Onuoha, Santa Cruz and then used the money on someone like Carrick, we'd be alot better for it, IMO.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 17, 2010, 01:10:03 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Our transfer funds are limited, so if we want to overhaul the squad, we may have to sell.
I've been trying to find a reference to that could you help please.
If Milner or anyone else goes I'm sure it will be only as a result of our incapability to meet the demands made by top clubs. General K says our aims are the same and Mon is doing sterling business so where's the worry.
I kept reading Mon was off because of this paucity of funds, losing it with RL etc. Has that happened yet ?
I don't think so, although I do think there's a good chance 1 or even 3 players we don't want to leave might.
Such is life with clubs happy to finish 6th surely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on May 17, 2010, 01:11:23 PM
I do hope no one is falling for this idle paper talk. This is most predictible piece of news any paper can conjure up. Nothing new here someone is putting 2 & 2 togather and making 5. (Fabio said and who in the squad and what clubs...Easy)
Having said that everyone has a price and anything less than £30m would be suicidal for RL.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 17, 2010, 02:41:24 PM
A slight change of tack here but I would be very surprised if Onouha is at Man Citeh next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 17, 2010, 02:48:47 PM
Quote from: "cheltenhamlion"
A slight change of tack here but I would be very surprised if Onouha is at Man Citeh next season.
Me too, he's in the 'don't shift many shirts in China' bracket.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2010, 03:17:53 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2010, 03:27:48 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
2 or 3? For example?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Sarunyu on May 17, 2010, 03:38:51 PM
Exchange with Robinho + M.Richard + SWP
Then OK
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2010, 03:40:25 PM
Quote from: "Sarunyu"
Exchange with Robinho + M.Richard + SWP
Then OK
No thanks
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 17, 2010, 03:42:50 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "Sarunyu"
Exchange with Robinho + M.Richard + SWP
Then OK
No thanks
Only players that are realistic and attractive targets from Man City are Ireland and either Richards or Onouha.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 17, 2010, 03:44:14 PM
I wouldnt want him anyway John, He is a complete moron
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 17, 2010, 03:53:41 PM
If Man U did come in for him, how about a part swap for Scholes? If we can't find an immediate replacement for Milner then he could come in useful.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2010, 03:58:58 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
2 or 3? For example?
By the manager's admission (today) you could list Luke Young, Sidwell, NRC, Davies, Shorey, and Beye.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 17, 2010, 05:16:36 PM
By the managers admission.... I think that says something about where he does want to take the team, and its forward. NRC, Beye and Luke Young have often been lauded as great players on these pages, yet our manager wants to move on. I thought Davies may be one for the future, and although not the player I saw at Reading, I dont think Sidwell is a duffer. Shorey is no duffer either, straight, good player, just not up to our standard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 17, 2010, 05:19:44 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
2 or 3? For example?
By the manager's admission (today) you could list Luke Young, Sidwell, NRC, Davies, Shorey, and Beye.
Quite. Said players cost £27m-ish. No further questions your honour.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 17, 2010, 05:27:57 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
2 or 3? For example?
By the manager's admission (today) you could list Luke Young, Sidwell, NRC, Davies, Shorey, and Beye.
You could say that.
You could also say that Reo-Coker and Davies are victims of the side improving around them, and have become surplus as a result.
And then you would also have to count the 'non-duds', namely Friedel, Cuellar, Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Young, Delph (given time) and the boy Milner himself.
And then you would have to say that 2-3 duds for every one good 'un was a load of cock.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on May 17, 2010, 08:50:57 PM
Ireland and £15m would be my guess.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Walshmeister on May 17, 2010, 09:45:51 PM
Ireland + Hart + 10 mill and I will deliver Milner myself !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 17, 2010, 09:56:39 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
2 or 3? For example?
By the manager's admission (today) you could list Luke Young, Sidwell, NRC, Davies, Shorey, and Beye.
You could say that.
You could also say that Reo-Coker and Davies are victims of the side improving around them, and have become surplus as a result.
And then you would also have to count the 'non-duds', namely Friedel, Cuellar, Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Young, Delph (given time) and the boy Milner himself.
And then you would have to say that 2-3 duds for every one good 'un was a load of cock.
then you'd have to add salifou, knight, Heskey, Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 17, 2010, 10:07:36 PM
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I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
2 or 3? For example?
By the manager's admission (today) you could list Luke Young, Sidwell, NRC, Davies, Shorey, and Beye.
You could say that.
You could also say that Reo-Coker and Davies are victims of the side improving around them, and have become surplus as a result.
And then you would also have to count the 'non-duds', namely Friedel, Cuellar, Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Young, Delph (given time) and the boy Milner himself.
And then you would have to say that 2-3 duds for every one good 'un was a load of cock.
That's all well and good, but you asked for an example of duffers, so I gave you a few.
According to the press, those are the players the manager himself has referred to today as having not been up to it. He certainly didn't make it sound like the side improving around them being the reason they were on the way out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 17, 2010, 11:28:57 PM
Talking shite am I? We've just reeled off 14 players he's signed and has either got rid of or rumoured to be getting rid of.
Sky reporting a bid for Milner has been lodged...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PhilGibson on May 18, 2010, 08:39:26 AM
After what Lerner said about not selling Jimmy, he would have a lot of egg on his face, if we did sell him and it was for a fee which is less than £30 million+
I just cannot see us considering selling him before the world cup, it would make no business sense.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2010, 09:25:46 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
then you'd have to add salifou, knight, Heskey, Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..
The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner. We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing. We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 18, 2010, 09:40:50 AM
I find the very thought of selling Milner, for whatever amount of money, unutterably depressing.
Whatever doubts some of O'Neill's transfers might engender I think this is one of his triumphs. Milner will only get better as he is surrounded by better players. I want that to be with us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 18, 2010, 10:09:40 AM
We haven't got to sell anybody so Milner is going nowhere for now, that is, of course until should someone come in with a bid that we absolutely couldn't refuse. Every player has a price, every player has a higher price that could take him to another club. I can't see Man City or Chelsea offering the sort of money that would tempt us to sell....we're talking £30 million +, it isn't going to happen.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 18, 2010, 10:28:53 AM
I'm sorry but that's incredibly naive - Everton didn't want to sell Lescott until it became apparent that Lescott wanted out. Yes the money was tempting, and yes they needed it more than us but in the end it was the player who wanted to go and at that point you're on the losing end of the battle.
All depends on Milner really. Don't forget that he handed in a transfer request at Newcastle when they didn't want to sell to us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 18, 2010, 10:42:51 AM
I just find it very hard to get worked up about player departures any more.
For us, the game is a passion. For the players, its a career.
Jimmy does seem more grounded than some of the simpletons and bling merchants in the game, but if he has a chance to progress his career he's got to take it.
For that to happen though, we have to get maximum value. I can understand those who would be pissed off at any bid being accepted, but until we actually crack the CL ourselves it's the danger we'll always face. Don't want to go the route of harping back to the past too much, but this link and GB's eventual departure last year does illustrate the folly of not pushing on from a position of strength in Jan 09. A better forward than Ivanhoe at that point and who knows where we would be now. But that's a different argument for a different day.
At least we're in a position where our better players are assets again. It might take us longer to get back in contention when just 18 months ago it looked well within our grasp, but the hope would be that any money generated would go straight back on the side. As with the Tottenham example given earlier, it doesn't have to signal the end of our CL ambitions.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2010, 10:46:27 AM
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I'm sorry but that's incredibly naive - Everton didn't want to sell Lescott until it became apparent that Lescott wanted out. Yes the money was tempting, and yes they needed it more than us but in the end it was the player who wanted to go and at that point you're on the losing end of the battle.
All depends on Milner really. Don't forget that he handed in a transfer request at Newcastle when they didn't want to sell to us.
I think there's a difference between Milner and Lescott. The Klingon wanted to go and was playing his face to try and engineer a move. Jimmy also wanted to go, as he had had enough of the Geordie circus, but did it in the right and professional way by handing in a request.
You're right that it's up to him really, but I just don't see a Lescott/Barry situation developing - he has more integrity than that!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 18, 2010, 10:47:59 AM
He did Nick but Newcastle did muck him about somewhat. Milner has only been with us a short while and I don't think he's the kind of person to use us as a stepping stone at this stage of his career. Even if Milner did want to go he goes on our terms as he's contracted to us, just like Barry went on our terms as he was contracted to us that's why we should not entertain anything less than £30 million.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2010, 11:01:19 AM
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I honestly wouldn't trust MON to spend the proceeds wisely.
Yes, it's not like he could find a young player at a struggling club and within two years change his position, get him to be a certainty for the World Cup and at least double his transfer value.
For every Milner theres two or three duffers though, I agree with you Mark.
2 or 3? For example?
By the manager's admission (today) you could list Luke Young, Sidwell, NRC, Davies, Shorey, and Beye.
You could say that.
You could also say that Reo-Coker and Davies are victims of the side improving around them, and have become surplus as a result.
And then you would also have to count the 'non-duds', namely Friedel, Cuellar, Collins, Dunne, Warnock, Young, Delph (given time) and the boy Milner himself.
And then you would have to say that 2-3 duds for every one good 'un was a load of cock.
That's all well and good, but you asked for an example of duffers, so I gave you a few.
According to the press, those are the players the manager himself has referred to today as having not been up to it. He certainly didn't make it sound like the side improving around them being the reason they were on the way out.
Well, if you look again paulie, I was actually suggesting bob's ratio was a load of cock, not the fact that the manager signed some players who weren't good enough.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2010, 11:04:00 AM
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then you'd have to add salifou, knight, Heskey, Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..
The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner. We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing. We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.
Thanks John, for saving me the bother of typing that. It's a royal pain with IE8 scrollbar problem.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2010, 11:08:54 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Talking shite am I? We've just reeled off 14 players he's signed and has either got rid of or rumoured to be getting rid of.
Sky reporting a bid for Milner has been lodged...
And since he's arrived we've gone up 10 places in the league. Some of those players have helped us get there but are no longer up to it.
It wouldn't have been a problem if we'd have stayed shit. It's all O'Neill's fault.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 18, 2010, 11:10:13 AM
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he has more integrity than that!
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I don't think he's the kind of person
I think so too and I fervently hope so. You never can tell though. Sigh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 18, 2010, 11:27:07 AM
Discussing on talksport now.
Andy townsend really wants milner too stay at Villa!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2010, 11:49:16 AM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Discussing on talksport now.
Andy townsend really wants milner too stay at Villa!
I bet whatever other twat he has on with him is saying he should go!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 18, 2010, 11:54:47 AM
Quote from: "LeeB"
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then you'd have to add salifou, knight, Heskey, Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..
The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner. We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing. We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.
Thanks John, for saving me the bother of typing that. It's a royal pain with IE8 scrollbar problem.
Google Chrome or Opera, my good man.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 18, 2010, 12:01:40 PM
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I don't think Milner has an agent, I think he uses the PFA instead.
He has an agent. He worked with a PFA agent until he joined Villa. I've heard from a trustworthy source that Milner's agent was in talks with Citeh a few weeks ago. I think it's more the agent touting Milner looking to cash in, rather than James requesting a move.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namlod on May 18, 2010, 12:03:35 PM
There are a lot of comments on here stating how James has far too much integrity to leave, a far more level headed individual, loves the club/MON to leave.......
Does anyone on this site actually know Milner well enough to confirm this or is it just a gut feeling?
I DONT WANT MILNER TO LEAVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ...... but he is a young professional footballer who is in the game to earn money as well as play football.
If ManC/ManU/Chelsea offer him £100k+ per week and millions signing fee along with champions league football, I think he'll be off.
He owes Villa nothing. Villa paid good money for a good player. Villa paid his wages and he earned the money on the pitch, simple.
If he goes we want top dollar to buy a suitable replacement (dunno who)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 18, 2010, 12:03:58 PM
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then you'd have to add salifou, knight, Heskey, Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..
The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner. We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing. We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.
Thanks John, for saving me the bother of typing that. It's a royal pain with IE8 scrollbar problem.
Google Chrome or Opera, my good man.
Cheers chief.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 18, 2010, 01:01:08 PM
Quote from: "John M"
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then you'd have to add salifou, knight, Heskey, Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..
The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner. We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing. We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.
That may have been the original point but i was responding to Leeb's questioning of 2 or 3 duffers to every success. By his own figures of 8 sucesses to 28 odd signings since he arrived you're pretty close to that ratio. Money doesn't come into it, though the total in fee's and wages is fair old wack.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2010, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
That may have been the original point but i was responding to Leeb's questioning of 2 or 3 duffers to every success. By his own figures of 8 sucesses to 28 odd signings since he arrived you're pretty close to that ratio. Money doesn't come into it, though the total in fee's and wages is fair old wack.
I think the problem there is not being able to understand that there are grey areas inbetween 'duffers' and unqualified sucesses. I think Zat Knight contributed resanably well while here, certainly better than I expected him to, and was sold on for a profit. He's not in the bracket of the likes of Milner, but was a good piece of business for us at the time.
And I simply do not believe that having just finished 6th and been to Wembley twice, with only 1 non-MON signing, that we've only had 8 successes. It's simply not possible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 18, 2010, 01:18:53 PM
i think the fact that he's willing to let go most of the reserves go and didn't play them says all you need to know about them.you may think knight was a success profit wise but he contributed to cahil going who's looking like he'll go for a much bigger profit for Bolton than we ever made on Knight
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bigmelonface on May 18, 2010, 01:25:04 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
We had all this last year with Young. It seems MON finds the latest Young player of the year and he's wished off to all the big spenders in the media.
I dont see Milner going anywhere this summer. The offer we'd probably listen to I just dont see coming in. I dont care who is supposedly bidding, there will be better value elsewhere for them. Were we a club struggling with money or needing a massive overhaul of the team, maybe. But we're not.
We need to build a team around Milner and we need to add a few players to improve, not wholesale changes. So unless a stupid ridiculous offer comes in, I see no point in selling Milner and I think Randy and MON will see it the same way.
Keep Milner, buy the next young player of the year to play with him, push on and finish above the likes of Man fucking City. We have a number of players to sell to raise extra funds, Milner had better not be one of them.
As much as I hate to agree with Trans-Am wheel arch nostrils he does have a point.
It would have to a be at least £50m and even then I would still be pissed off and no one is going to bid much over £30m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2010, 01:27:24 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
i think the fact that he's willing to let go most of the reserves go and didn't play them says all you need to know about them.you may think knight was a success profit wise but he contributed to cahil going who's looking like he'll go for a much bigger profit for Bolton than we ever made on Knight
So Knight was a duffer because we sold The Bolton Defender? Even for you that's a huge logical leap!
As for the bold bit, why don't we ask ourselves WHY he's letting them go?
Davies - with Clark coming through and 3 other CBs, we can afford to let him go and it saves the extra deal he's owed after two more games. Good and seasonable transfer dealings, IMO NRC - all about the argument they had Young - I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes we don't, and probably never will, know about.
I'll give you the other three were poor signings and/or not given a chance.
That's 3 who aren't going because they're poor players, so where does that fit into the 'tells you all we need to know about them' argument?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 18, 2010, 01:40:55 PM
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Quote from: "gregnash"
i think the fact that he's willing to let go most of the reserves go and didn't play them says all you need to know about them.you may think knight was a success profit wise but he contributed to cahil going who's looking like he'll go for a much bigger profit for Bolton than we ever made on Knight
So Knight was a duffer because we sold The Bolton Defender? Even for you that's a huge logical leap!
As for the bold bit, why don't we ask ourselves WHY he's letting them go?
Davies - with Clark coming through and 3 other CBs, we can afford to let him go and it saves the extra deal he's owed after two more games. Good and seasonable transfer dealings, IMO NRC - all about the argument they had Young - I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes we don't, and probably never will, know about.
I'll give you the other three were poor signings and/or not given a chance.
That's 3 who aren't going because they're poor players, so where does that fit into the 'tells you all we need to know about them' argument?
cahill found himself 5th choice centre half when davies and knight arrived. Had no option but to leave.
As for your 2nd point, so they're all great players but MON has the man-management skills of a common DOL and can't stay pals for more than a season?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 18, 2010, 01:43:37 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "gregnash"
then you'd have to add salifou, knight, Heskey, Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..
The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner. We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing. We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.
Thanks John, for saving me the bother of typing that. It's a royal pain with IE8 scrollbar problem.
re that IE8 issue, if you turn IE7 Compatibility Mode on (Tools menu), it stops happening (assuming it is the same issue).
NB that point on the other page re flops, I was comparing it to "for every Milner", referring to a player we've signed who has massively increased his value, rather than just done well for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2010, 01:47:22 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
cahill found himself 5th choice centre half when davies and knight arrived. Had no option but to leave.
As for your 2nd point, so they're all great players but MON has the man-management skills of a common DOL and can't stay pals for more than a season?
Yes, his other option was to stay and develop and then be a starter for a top 6 side. He didn't want to wait and so left. His choice and lets leave it at that before this goes off at a tangent!
I never said they were great players and we only know of one arguemnt with a player, which was NRC. As I said before, just because a player isn't a regular starter and England contender does NOT mean they were crap signings.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 18, 2010, 01:54:58 PM
davies - had the contract bust up, shorey had a bust up but anyway Davies is/was a disaster. Cost more than centre halfs like vidic, injury prone, worse than cahill. Can't see how you can claim anything other than that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 18, 2010, 02:10:25 PM
Quote from: "Namlod"
There are a lot of comments on here stating how James has far too much integrity to leave, a far more level headed individual, loves the club/MON to leave.......
Does anyone on this site actually know Milner well enough to confirm this or is it just a gut feeling?
I said this a little earlier in the thread about how, when Newcastle fucked him about, he didn't 'do a Barry' and act a complete and utter twat, he just got his head down and played to the best of his ability. No underhanded engineering of a move, no public pissing about....he just got on with his job for the people who paid his wages.
Given that Villa have done the complete opposite of fuck him about, I can't see him completely reversing the personality he displayed on Tyne-side and kicking us to the curb. Not unless it's on Villa's terms.
Having said that, I was rather comforted with him being represented by the PFA. News of an agent makes me a little nervous as they're sly ******.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 18, 2010, 02:15:27 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
davies - had the contract bust up, shorey had a bust up but anyway Davies is/was a disaster. Cost more than centre halfs like vidic, injury prone, worse than cahill. Can't see how you can claim anything other than that.
It was hardly a 'bust up' - if you believe the press he wanted his new deal early as he played through an injury and was rightly told 'no' and that was the end of it.
As a player, he looked very good next to Laursen, which suited his game as more of a covering defender sweeping up behind a big man, but couldn't get the partnership with Cuellar to work. Was a big part of our side for two years and contributed towards two 6th place finishes during those years. I do think we payed over the odds for him, but on the pitch I think he was far from the disaster you make out.
If we flog him for a lot less than we payed then it's bad business, but if we can get say £7m then I'd see it as a reasonable bit of short term transfer dealing for a relatively modest net outlay.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 18, 2010, 06:21:56 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
davies - had the contract bust up, shorey had a bust up but anyway Davies is/was a disaster. Cost more than centre halfs like vidic, injury prone, worse than cahill.
That's where we would differ a wee bit, Greg.
I wouldn't be claiming Davies a rip-roaring success, but thought he looked good alongside Laursen in 07/08 and for the first half of 08/09. Think he was on the fringes of the England squad on a few occasions.
A combination of Laursen being out and Curtis himself sustaining a shoulder injury in the latter half of 08/09 did for him. He never looked convincing alongside Cuellar, whether it was the knock, a communication thing or a combination of both. He looks the type that needs to be told what to do.
Was badly advised on the contract issue too, making that public won't have endeared him to O'Neill. But he did play through the pain barrier from Feb -August last year, so maybe he felt he was justified.
Get the feeling that the next club he goes to will be getting a bargain. If he's paired with a wily old pro you'll probably see the best of him. Might even make it back into the England reckoning.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 18, 2010, 06:33:29 PM
mebbe, but i think "alongside laursen" probably explains most of it. Still think we were ripped off big time even if we only paid 8.5m for him. shocking to think he's our most expensive defender evoh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on May 18, 2010, 07:21:03 PM
I rate Davies, but I'd cash in now simply because he'll get a better fee than Cueller. Martin rates the other 3 more anyway I guess. Clarks gonna be decent too.
We do need to raise money, so much as it might be regrettable in the case of Nigel and Curtis, I'd still flog them. With what we raise from those two, there's enough for a quality midfielder who'd improve the side.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on May 19, 2010, 09:13:33 AM
Quote from: "supertom"
I rate Davies, but I'd cash in now simply because he'll get a better fee than Cueller.
Not so sure on that, Tom. If Real are genuinely interested in Carlos - and it's all been rumour so far - I reckon we could get £10m from them. They like paying over the odds.
If we sell Davies, there will always be an element of 'what if?' for me. I fear he'd come to haunt us, ala Cahill.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on May 19, 2010, 09:18:58 AM
If Jack Rodwell is reported to be going for around 20 million, why are the Milner bids or rumoured bids only a little higher? Really strange! Look at how many games they've played, not just last season in the premiership, but in their careers. Look at which is in the International etc?!! Anyone else think it is strange!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: johnc on May 19, 2010, 09:19:15 AM
I wouldn't feel that Cahill has come to haunt us. After Cahill's peformance at VP this season I reckon John Carew still haunts him
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 19, 2010, 09:32:35 AM
Davies hardly featured last season and we still had a fine defense, which to me is evidence that we don't NEED him, even though I do rate the player.
When it comes to NRC, taking into account the Delph injury we'd only have two central players in Milner and Petrov should he and Sidwell go. Adding one would give us a healthy four once Delph is back, but until then we'd be too short in there, especially if we wanted to play with a five. Will two central midfielders be brought in? I don't think so, which means NRC should stay at least until Delph is fit. Sidders staying would achieve the same thing, but I rate NRC higher and he'd give adequate cover for Petrov as a defensive midfielder, which Sidwell would not.
I'd make the same argument about Luke Young and the fullbacks!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 19, 2010, 09:33:56 AM
Quote from: "villa for life"
If Jack Rodwell is reported to be going for around 20 million, why are the Milner bids or rumoured bids only a little higher? Really strange! Look at how many games they've played, not just last season in the premiership, but in their careers. Look at which is in the International etc?!! Anyone else think it is strange!
I think it's strange in that Rodwell is being quoted as such ridiculous figures - never seen why myself!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 19, 2010, 09:34:41 AM
If Real Madrid want Cuellar then I hope we sell him. Can't stand another season of him at Right Back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 19, 2010, 10:15:17 AM
Somehow I don't think that Real Madrid would even consider playing Cuellar at right back also.... Re. James Milner, we shouldn't even consider any deal unless it's in Villa's interest, i.e. Bellamy, Ireland and Santa Cruz plus £10 mill.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 19, 2010, 10:49:33 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Somehow I don't think that Real Madrid would even consider playing Cuellar at right back also.... Re. James Milner, we shouldn't even consider any deal unless it's in Villa's interest, i.e. Bellamy, Ireland and Santa Cruz plus £10 mill.
These large transfer speculations alway seem to have a mixture if players going the other way, but when they actually happen they hardly ever involve swaps. I'd say that should Milner go, which I doubt he will and hope he won't, I think it's more likely to be a straight cash deal.
Ireland I would like, Santa Cruz is a 'maybe' and as far as I'm concerned Bellamy can only sign for us once he gets a neck and stops being an utter prick!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: YamPie on May 19, 2010, 10:54:27 AM
I like and rate Davies. But its a simple fact we can now do without him. He got injured, we had to bring players in they've done better than expected. Thats the way its happened and is no bad reflection on the lad or the club
We now have 3 class centre backs in the team most weeks (even if one is playing right back) and we have two excellent lads about to start knocking the squad door. Clark in particular
Surely 4 centre backs is more than enough ?
Davies can go, and Baker can go out on loan
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
With Davies I suspect it's more complicated than a "keep him vs do without him" choice.
He still has a certain transfer value, I think the question will be whether it is best to keep him in the knowledge he'll be "back up" for much of the season, or sell him to release that value to be used elsewhere and promote Clark.
With all the talk of Randy wanting some of these players' futures looking at (whether it is true or not), I'd have thought Davies is a good example of where it would make sense.
For example - Clark (cheap but less experienced) or Davies (could get 5 or 6m for him, and expensive wages)?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 19, 2010, 11:00:08 AM
I like Curtis, but I guess it makes sense to sell if we promote Clark. As far as Jimmy goes, I would only sell him if it was a ridiculous offer, not what is being touted around.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 19, 2010, 11:49:48 AM
Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Man City's owner is reportedly worth a trillion dollars.
If he took his Arabic kit off, swapped it for something a little more western and stood in the Villa Park car park with the £30 million that they wish to pay for Jimmy, he'd look like this:
We need to milk these pricks for all they're worth!!!
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Post by: TimTheVillain on May 19, 2010, 12:36:13 PM
Quote
Bellamy can only sign for us once he gets a neck and stops being an utter prick![/b
]
Ha ha
Maybe MON can tame the guy again ?
He has the ability - kneck or no kneck !!!![/b]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 19, 2010, 03:30:37 PM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Sheikh Mansour bin Zayed Al Nahyan, Man City's owner is reportedly worth a trillion dollars.
If he took his Arabic kit off, swapped it for something a little more western and stood in the Villa Park car park with the £30 million that they wish to pay for Jimmy, he'd look like this:
We need to milk these pricks for all they're worth!!!
He's worth about £20bn and we dont need to milk them, we need to tell them to fuck off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 19, 2010, 03:57:14 PM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Having said that, I was rather comforted with him being represented by the PFA. News of an agent makes me a little nervous as they're sly c***s.
I think you missed my post a few pages back, Troy.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on May 19, 2010, 04:23:31 PM
Dosen't Davies get a hefty pay rise and a new contract if he starts another match which I believe will be his 60th starting much for us.
Looks like MON has decided not to play him again and sell him as after coming on against Brighton in the cup, why did he then disappear from the bench for the rest of the season?
No problem anyway, we have Cuellar, Collins and Dunney (please get another RB in MON) and I've been very impressed by what I've seen of Clark in the reserves so wouldn't be a problem having him as 4th choice next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BoredNow on May 19, 2010, 09:13:01 PM
Breaking news on SSN now that Man City have made a £20 million bid.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 19, 2010, 09:14:01 PM
They can shove their fecking £20m up their arses.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BoredNow on May 19, 2010, 09:17:21 PM
Succinct. I approve :-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villajk on May 19, 2010, 09:20:21 PM
£20M? What do they think we are, a charity?
F*** off City and take your ridiculously low bid with you.
Ahhhh that's better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on May 19, 2010, 09:21:09 PM
Is it right that Man City are making bids now, and seemingly making them public? Milner is with the England squad preparing and I'm pretty sure Capello said he didn't want any transfer bullshit disrupting the team.
I can't see MON being to happy that this is in the public domain either, Barry went pretty quietly to Man City but this has been in the papers before the season even finished. Hopefully they get told to do one as £20 million is way, way too low a valuation. Hell, Wigan are touting N'Zogbia for £15 million.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 09:23:22 PM
Quote from: "Villa's return Fax"
lol!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on May 19, 2010, 09:26:52 PM
Here we go again...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 19, 2010, 09:28:36 PM
Do clubs still use faxes?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jockey Randall on May 19, 2010, 09:28:52 PM
20m-that's hilarious! They must think we were born yesterday. 1. Why would we sell him right before the world cup? 2. Why would accept anything less than at LEAST 30m for the young player of the year? 3. Why would we accept such a small amount when everyone knows they have a bottomless pit?
I love how many emails they are reading out from citeh fans who sound like they've signed him already! Talk about deluded
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2010, 09:39:30 PM
I can think of 20 million reasons to shove it up their blue moon asses...
fookers !!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Arsey on May 19, 2010, 09:39:59 PM
We don't want another Lescott situation; he'll be sold - question is now how much.
We need to be realistic; what is the point of holding on to him. We would end up keeping him for one more year only to sell him for 10-12mil next season ala' lard arse. The harsh reality is we can not afford to pay him 120k a week which city will.
He's had a great season, he works his nads off every game but he isn't no world beater; 30mil and we will have done very well.
My major concern is MON will faff around and take 2 seasons to replace him. There are much cheaper and potentially much better versions of Jimmy around - unfortunately most of them are not currently playing on these shores.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2010, 09:40:49 PM
20 million - they missed Richards and Ireland off the end of the fax clearly!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2010, 09:42:07 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
20 million - they missed Richards and Ireland off the end of the fax clearly!
and Santa Cruz and Bellamy and HArt
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on May 19, 2010, 09:44:42 PM
The whole weekly wage thing though, surely once you are on a certain amount a week it's all a much of a muchness isn't it? The important thing is to be playing, and that's something that we can offer Milner that some of the other clubs can't or won't because they've got shitloads of other midfielders as well. I'd be surprised if James kicked off wanting to move for more money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 09:45:16 PM
Quote from: "Arsey"
We don't want another Lescott situation; he'll be sold - question is now how much.
Well that’s settled then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 19, 2010, 09:47:24 PM
i think if we throw Heskey in , they might go for 40 million
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 19, 2010, 09:49:07 PM
Only way to keep him is to tell him that 3 top players are coming in to help with the push to the top 4 - and that means 15 million or so each which is unlikely. Cherry pick the City faces that don't fit any longer - Onouhra, Richards, Ireland, Santa Cruz, Bellamy, Petrov, Wright Phillips etc are all good quality players that could be used in this deal to test how much they want Milner. I would love Wright Phillips on the right and Young on the left personally, and Bellamy is very effective and would add an edge. Ireland would give alike for like replacement etc. Just need to make the best of the offer and get what suits us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 09:51:47 PM
A very good way to keep him is by telling them to fuck off.
We’ve shown our hand already that we’re more than willing to keep a face here who wants to be somewhere else. But all that is based on the presumption that Milner wants to go and to be honest I’m not convinced money is a massive motivator to him due to his age like it was for Barry.
They cannot offer CL football, so their hand is not nearly as strong as some are presuming.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on May 19, 2010, 09:55:54 PM
They've come in with a low offer, as you do, so we should reply by asking for £50m.
£30m or over and i'd have to consider it I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on May 19, 2010, 09:56:04 PM
Quote from: "Tom_Mc9"
They can shove their fecking £20m up their arses.
That's 1000,000 £20 notes. All scrunched up into tight little balls.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 19, 2010, 09:56:07 PM
I just want a statement from O'Neill telling Man City to go fuck themselves.
Obviously, he won't say it exactly like that though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: saunders_heroes on May 19, 2010, 09:57:49 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
20 million - they missed Richards and Ireland off the end of the fax clearly!
and Santa Cruz and Bellamy and HArt
Santa Cruz and Richards are pants.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on May 19, 2010, 09:58:47 PM
Quote from: "saunders_heroes"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
20 million - they missed Richards and Ireland off the end of the fax clearly!
and Santa Cruz and Bellamy and HArt
Santa Cruz and Richards are pants.
£25m and SWP or Ireland. Worth considering then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 19, 2010, 10:03:04 PM
i know i'm in a minority of one here but i think Milners good but he aint all that.
dont want to see him go, but if we can replace him with a bit of creative quality it wont be all bad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 10:04:08 PM
Bellamy and Ireland are the only two worth considering. But even then I’d still want £30 million. They’ve got it, it means nothing to them. They’d either pay it or fuck off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on May 19, 2010, 10:06:49 PM
Exactly - Citeh can afford it do it's £30M or they can do one. They'll pay it if they want him enough.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 10:12:16 PM
£30 million and Bellamy and Ireland.
That would improve the squad subject to Jimmy’s replacement and give us around £50 million to spend.
All assuming that he wants to go of course. And I don’t think he will, as money isn’t such a great concern at his age, while the promise of Champions League football the season after next is garbage.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeS on May 19, 2010, 10:19:58 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
£30 million and Bellamy and Ireland.
That would improve the squad subject to Jimmy’s replacement and give us around £50 million to spend.
All assuming that he wants to go of course. And I don’t think he will, as money isn’t such a great concern at his age, while the promise of Champions League football the season after next is garbage.
But it aint going to happen.
They may be rich but they arent stupid. He is worth no more than £25m, even in the current market. At the very most.
And for that I wouldnt sell him. So stuff it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 19, 2010, 10:23:30 PM
Quote from: "LeeS"
Quote from: "Ads"
£30 million and Bellamy and Ireland.
That would improve the squad subject to Jimmy’s replacement and give us around £50 million to spend.
All assuming that he wants to go of course. And I don’t think he will, as money isn’t such a great concern at his age, while the promise of Champions League football the season after next is garbage.
But it aint going to happen.
They may be rich but they arent stupid. He is worth no more than £25m, even in the current market. At the very most.
A player is worth what someone is willing to pay.
Robinho wasn't worth £32m. But they were still willing to pay it. You're absolutely right, he's not worth more than £25m (is anyone?). But if it's not in our interests to sell at that price then there's no problem.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Gareth on May 19, 2010, 10:23:44 PM
The pain in the arse of this one is that he has two years on contract...if he is up for extending then they are told to jog on, if he isnt then we are open to another 2 years of 'will he, wont he'
Hopefully Jimmy will realise what MON has done for him, got him out of the Toon soap opera, largely eradicated the 'headless chicken' out of his game, converted his position and give him the platform to be a World Cup starter.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 19, 2010, 10:24:40 PM
This is Citeh making these claims then - appalling stuff with the World Cup almost upon us.
People think that Chelsea have no class, take a bow Man Citeh, you Bell Enders.
You, Man Citeh are now officially cosiderably less classy than yow ( Chelsea).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 10:28:04 PM
Quote from: "LeeS"
Quote from: "Ads"
£30 million and Bellamy and Ireland.
That would improve the squad subject to Jimmy’s replacement and give us around £50 million to spend.
All assuming that he wants to go of course. And I don’t think he will, as money isn’t such a great concern at his age, while the promise of Champions League football the season after next is garbage.
But it aint going to happen.
They may be rich but they arent stupid. He is worth no more than £25m, even in the current market. At the very most.
And for that I wouldnt sell him. So stuff it.
The point is, they either pay it or don’t. I don’t see us as being bothered if they don’t.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: smudger on May 19, 2010, 10:32:21 PM
If they would like to give us Hart (£10m worth), Ireland (8m worth) and £10m cash then i would go for it if he wants to go there. No less than that mind.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 19, 2010, 10:42:02 PM
Quote from: "john e"
i know i'm in a minority of one here but i think Milners good but he aint all that.
dont want to see him go, but if we can replace him with a bit of creative quality it wont be all bad.
No, I am with you as well. Good player, sometimes very good but over-hyped in my opinion. I don't want him to go either but I will stick my neck out and say he will not propel Man City to where they want to be...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: charleeco7 on May 19, 2010, 10:44:36 PM
£30 million cash and they can have him. I don't want any of their cast offs. Cash and cash only please.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 19, 2010, 10:47:41 PM
The problem Citeh have made for themselves, is paying way over the odds for players last summer. If they are willing to pay £24m for Lescott, who is a defender, it goes without saying that a midfielder should cost more. If they were also willing to pay over £100m for Kaka, they should be looking to pay at least somewhere inbetween the two. Lets say £59m for arguments sake.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2010, 10:48:03 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "john e"
i know i'm in a minority of one here but i think Milners good but he aint all that.
dont want to see him go, but if we can replace him with a bit of creative quality it wont be all bad.
No, I am with you as well. Good player, sometimes very good but over-hyped in my opinion. I don't want him to go either but I will stick my neck out and say he will not propel Man City to where they want to be...
maybe not, but citeh will just keep spending till they do and it weakens us against the likes of liverpool and spurs who are much more in our financial catagory, just like selliing Barry weakened us
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on May 19, 2010, 10:49:49 PM
My worry about us having a fortune to spend by potentially selling Jimmy means that whoever we want we'll end up paying more.
IF, and only IF Milner wants to go we should insist on Richards, Hart, Ireland, Bellamy and £20m, if they don't pay it, they can fuck off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 19, 2010, 10:51:44 PM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
My worry about us having a fortune to spend by potentially selling Jimmy means that whoever we want we'll end up paying more.
IF, and only IF Milner wants to go we should insist on Richards, Hart, Ireland, Bellamy and £20m, if they don't pay it, they can fuck off.
Sounds good to me....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2010, 10:52:52 PM
It's ever so easy to say "They can do one if they don't pay £x million." Then we have a player who doesn't want to be here on a contract that's winding down.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2010, 10:56:28 PM
yep. god knows who will be getting at him now the gloves are off.
still think we should tell them to do one though, even if its just delaying the inevitable
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 10:59:13 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It's ever so easy to say "They can do one if they don't pay £x million." Then we have a player who doesn't want to be here on a contract that's winding down.
That’s true, but why do you think we took the approach we did over Barry?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2010, 11:02:18 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It's ever so easy to say "They can do one if they don't pay £x million." Then we have a player who doesn't want to be here on a contract that's winding down.
That’s true, but why do you think we took the approach we did over Barry?
What, you mean sell him the day the transfer window opened?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 19, 2010, 11:02:36 PM
Anyway, i can't imagine we'd be stupid enough to sell before the WC so this will run all summer :0(
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 19, 2010, 11:06:30 PM
Quote from: "E I Adio"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Keep Milner, buy the next young player of the year to play with him, push on and finish above the likes of Man fucking City. We have a number of players to sell to raise extra funds, Milner had better not be one of them.
This! with knobs on.
Fucking spot on. I can't believe so many are so conditioned to thinking immediately of a suitable fee.
When Platt left it was a different game, it was easier to build a top squad if you had the cash.
These days the best players want Champions League, full stop, and if that's what you're aiming for then you don't fucking sell the players you've developed to that standard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 19, 2010, 11:10:23 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It's ever so easy to say "They can do one if they don't pay £x million." Then we have a player who doesn't want to be here on a contract that's winding down.
That’s true, but why do you think we took the approach we did over Barry?
Liverpool wouldn't up their bid for Barry, though. The difference between what we'd have got had Liverpool ponied up there and then, and what we did get for him, would have been relatively small.
Also, Barry left in the end.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irish villain on May 19, 2010, 11:11:05 PM
Just online now and see this, :0(
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 11:11:55 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It's ever so easy to say "They can do one if they don't pay £x million." Then we have a player who doesn't want to be here on a contract that's winding down.
That’s true, but why do you think we took the approach we did over Barry?
What, you mean sell him the day the transfer window opened?
You know very well what I’m talking about.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 19, 2010, 11:14:06 PM
If randy sells milner, he is a prick.
Simply because of the money he has put into villa, selling Milner defeats the object really.
If we sell milner for say 30 mil, we can only attract players worth around 10-15 million so what's the point!
Villa look stupid now, saying they are happy to wait post WC before offering Milner a long contract!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 19, 2010, 11:18:30 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
If randy sells milner, he is a prick.
Simply because of the money he has put into villa, selling Milner defeats the object really.
If we sell milner for say 30 mil, we can only attract players worth around 10-15 million so what's the point!
Villa look stupid now, saying they are happy to wait post WC before offering Milner a long contract!
After all he has done since he came to the club, I think that it is completely embarassing that you would even consider calling the owner that. He'll make the best decision for Aston Villa as he has done since he arrived. No one player is bigger than the club, and bigger players have left this club over the years.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on May 19, 2010, 11:21:06 PM
If he goes, he goes. If he stays, we'll all be delighted. That's the sum total of our involvement in James Milner's career plans, unfortunately.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 19, 2010, 11:23:46 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It's ever so easy to say "They can do one if they don't pay £x million." Then we have a player who doesn't want to be here on a contract that's winding down.
That’s true, but why do you think we took the approach we did over Barry?
What, you mean sell him the day the transfer window opened?
You know very well what I’m talking about.
No I don't. We sold Barry to the first club who made a decent offer and less of the arseyness please.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 19, 2010, 11:25:43 PM
I’m referring to why we were more than willing to keep Barry for an extra year as the other side weren’t willing to do the transfer deal on our terms.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on May 19, 2010, 11:35:55 PM
If Milner is offered the opportunity of doubling his wages & playing in a side that will be playing CL football on a regular basis then you can't blame him for being tempted by what could be on offer.
Its all very well saying "do one" etc but as the saying goes,every man has his price.
I personaly am a big fan of Milner but for a team like Villa,it may be better to swap one player for £30mil and bring in two £15mil players who will improve the starting 11 & not just the squad.
People keep on about Milner being a young player-he's 24 now & still not an England regular-he is not the finished article by a long shot
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 19, 2010, 11:35:58 PM
I want JM to stay. But if he wants to go there are lots of possibilities for player swaps. City are awash with forwards, we are not, and Ireland is a creative midfielder which we lack.Sometimes you have to be inventive in the transfer market.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on May 19, 2010, 11:46:17 PM
I'm not going to sit here and pretend we'd be a better team without Milner 'cos we wouldn't, but you have to think realistically now the papers seem determined to flog him off. What does he bring to the team? What would we be losing? What is his realistic worth? Are there similar players who could do the same job and are they gettable for a team in Villa's position? All of these questions will be being pondered, I'm sure, by all at Villa IF Milner has indicated that he's interested by any offers.
One thing to bear in mind, however, is the positioning of Milner at the start of the season. His success in central midfield was part tactical masterstroke and part happy accident, in order to accomodate a fit again Downing. We undoubtedly became a better side with Milner in the centre and we'd be removing a hell of a lot by letting him go but he's a grafter rather than a schemer and as such might not be as difficult to replace as you'd think. Barry wasn't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: atomicjam on May 19, 2010, 11:57:57 PM
Jimmy is more the heart beat of a team than a world class footballer- the very thing that that lot of Manchester do not have. So only sell if we get a better team from it, for me that is Ireland, Bellamy, Hart and a few million aswell. Take what we want from any deal or tell the chavs to fuck off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: atomicjam on May 20, 2010, 12:01:16 AM
For whats its worth: SSN- Villa reject 20million bid for James Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MattW on May 20, 2010, 12:03:13 AM
A plethora of publications reporting a £20m bid.
The Times and the Telegraph seem to think we'll let him go for £30m. The Guuadian is the only one to include a direct quote from a 'Villa source', and says the Milner will leave it up to the club.
Excerpts...
The Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/article7131259.ece) Although Martin O’Neill, the Villa manager, is understood to be loath to sell Milner and his club are expected to reject the bid, he has been told that he must sell to buy and may welcome a bidding war if it drives the price closer to his £30 million valuation.
As Liverpool discovered to their cost over Gareth Barry, the former Villa midfield player, O’Neill will dig his heels in if required and will not let Milner leave for a penny below his asking price. O’Neill may even demand that Milner submit a transfer request if the player signals his desire to leave.
Milner, 24, has two years left on his existing contract, but while Villa would like to extend that deal, it seems unlikely that the player will remain at the club he joined for £12 million from Newcastle United in August 2008.
The Telegraph (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/leagues/premierleague/mancity/7742691/Manchester-City-table-20m-offer-for-Aston-Villa-midfielder-James-Milner.html) Lerner has informed O'Neill he will have to sell if he is to buy this summer but the club are believed to want close to £30 million before they are prepared to countenance losing Milner, a substantial profit on a player who cost £12 million when he moved to Villa Park in 2008.
The Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/19/james-milner-manchester-city-aston-villa) A Villa spokesman said last night: "We have received an offer from Manchester City and this has been firmly rejected. We plan to sit down with James Milner and his representative after the World Cup to agree a new, long-term deal and this remains our position." ... There is no suggestion that Milner will do likewise at Villa, with sources close to the player saying he will leave the decision in the hands of his clubdespite the prospect of more than doubling his £45,000-a-week wages at City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2010, 12:27:43 AM
If he does go, does anyone reckon they would let us have De Jong? I quite like him every time I've seen him. Ireland is very good but not sure about his attitude.
Give us... De Jong, Santa Cruz and £15 million and I would take it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 20, 2010, 12:43:07 AM
20m is just the first shot over the bows. laughable offer really. not to mention insulting.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 20, 2010, 12:45:15 AM
Quote from: "nechells"
If Milner is offered the opportunity of doubling his wages & playing in a side that will be playing CL football on a regular basis then you can't blame him for being tempted by what could be on offer.
Doing what now? Man City have been moneyed up for some time now. How many CL games have they played in so far?
I agree with earlier posts that, should we sell, there needs to be some decent players coming the other way as everyone will know we have the "James Milner Money" burning a hole in our pocket and we'll get bent over as a result.
Ireland (to go some way to replacing him), Hart and 15 million that'll pay for a class midfielder. MoN can then go sell, Heskey, Salifou, etc and use that money to buy a striker. We'd have some team then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 20, 2010, 12:51:34 AM
its a good idea in theory troy but would say Ireland come to us on 80k a week? would he take a pay-cut? could we afford the wages some of the players they may offload are on?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on May 20, 2010, 01:25:25 AM
And so it begins.
So long James.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 20, 2010, 02:14:08 AM
Quote from: "hipkiss92"
I just want a statement from O'Neill telling Man City to go fuck themselves.
Obviously, he won't say it exactly like that though.
"Go fuck yourself. T'riffic"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on May 20, 2010, 05:12:21 AM
What a depressing and derisory offer. Let's just look at the facts again...
This is a young English player, respected throughout the game for having an exemplary attitude both on and off the pitch - a very rare commodity these days. In his new position in the centre of midfield, he's industrious and indefatigable, as well as a great example to his team mates - he never gives up. He's now established in an England squad about to head into the World Cup with a manager who might just be capable of bringing home gold.
Domestically, he's improved dramatically since we signed him, and with his attitude and application he shows every sign of improving further still. And Man City - our rivals for fourth place next season (a team we'd be reluctant to strengthen at our expense) offer 20 million? Do they think we've given up or something?
Do they really think we'd sell before a world cup, after which - if he has a great tournament - his value could shoot up by 25-30%?
Lescott went to Man City for 24 million last season!
Gary Cock et al are well and truly taking the piss with this one. 40 million or fuck you, and the camel you rode in on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ashkar on May 20, 2010, 05:43:26 AM
15m and ireland, richards, bellamy. Use money to buy quality central midfielder.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 06:35:10 AM
I've just woke up and Villa have made the right noises, but one horrible player I do not want is Stephen Ireland. He is an arrogant prick who would dissrupt our dressing room.
Bellamy would maybe work as he would have alot of respect in the dressing room, but still disruptive.
I think it's 50/50 that he'll go, I'm hopeing he likes the stability at villa and the fact he should be the next captain.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 20, 2010, 06:49:56 AM
This is the first shot in the battle that will see us selling Milner.
Citeh have made an offer and we all know that, unlike Liverpool and Barry, the Lescott saga proved that if you play hard-ball with them they'll just keep upping the offer. The only possible glimmer is with their tendency to behave like a kid in the candy store when it comes to buying players: they might just lose interest and start the pursuit of another target.
However, if Villa indicate that there might be a valuation they have in mind, that won't be the end of it. Man Utd might not be in the same spending league as their neighbours, but they can still manage the one-off £30m+ transfer.
Much is made of Milner's integrity and him not being money driven, but he's going to spend the next six weeks living cheek-by-jowl with players earning significantly more than him and who play regular Champion's League football. He'll end up feeling the "poor" relation and that might start him thinking...
I think the biggest disappointment in all this is not that other clubs bid for our best players, but we've let a young, bright talent with his best years ahead of him get to two years left on his contract. It is that more than anything else that has significantly weakened our hand.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on May 20, 2010, 07:06:39 AM
Quote from: "TopDeck113"
Much is made of Milner's integrity and him not being money driven, but he's going to spend the next six weeks living cheek-by-jowl with players earning significantly more than him and who play regular Champion's League football. He'll end up feeling the "poor" relation and that might start him thinking..
He already lives cheek-by-jowl with players who drink, have questionable attitudes and earphones bigger than dustbin lids but he doesn't follow their lead. None of us know what Milner wants, although we do know he's ambitious. Maybe he'd want to see what we can offer him after the world cup before he starts being swayed by those around him? I'd hope that he knows he can do better than Man City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2010, 07:10:50 AM
If City have already told Milner via an agent or two that he could get 150k a week there, his head will have been turned. It is phenomenal money, and were it us in our jobs we would jump ship.
IF that is the case, for Villa it is a unique opportunity to get as much as we can for a player that is very very good, but is IMO replaceable as a central midfielder. I would want Ireland as a minimum of any deal, and Bellamy would do our forward line some good too. ANd a shed load of cash. As it is City, we can push the limit to as much as we can think, and if they don't offer it we keep the player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 20, 2010, 07:19:21 AM
Exactly right.
We are in the driving seat.
Bellamy, Ireland and SWP for me - plus £10 million.....that would be my returned fax.
Plus - have they got a decent right back ???
If we are to sell, and it appears lkely to me, we just have to leverage some grace out of this.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: wookster on May 20, 2010, 07:25:25 AM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "TopDeck113"
Much is made of Milner's integrity and him not being money driven, but he's going to spend the next six weeks living cheek-by-jowl with players earning significantly more than him and who play regular Champion's League football. He'll end up feeling the "poor" relation and that might start him thinking..
He already lives cheek-by-jowl with players who drink, have questionable attitudes and earphones bigger than dustbin lids but he doesn't follow their lead. None of us know what Milner wants, although we do know he's ambitious. Maybe he'd want to see what we can offer him after the world cup before he starts being swayed by those around him? I'd hope that he knows he can do better than Man City.
I thought he still lives with his mum in Leeds. Thats a pretty good way to keep you grounded, no ego.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on May 20, 2010, 07:41:20 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
If City have already told Milner via an agent or two that he could get 150k a week there, his head will have been turned. It is phenomenal money, and were it us in our jobs we would jump ship.
Don't know about that, money isn't everything, and there are sparse examples that show that not every footballer is motivated purely by money. I could be wrong but I'm sure Lucarelli plays for Livorno for free, stating that he'd already made enough money from football.
If we do sell Milner I think we should be looking at players like Moutinho from Sporting, not Man City's cast-offs who are all undoubtably on stupid wages that we won't be able to match anyway.
Bellamy - in his 30's, injured all the time Ireland - did bugger all last season SWP - utter shite and wants a massive pay rise from whoever signs him Richards - fat knacker. If you want to see players running out of steam in matches he epitomises it and wouldn't help us solve that problem at all
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 20, 2010, 07:46:06 AM
£20m + Ireland and Bellamy. Then we can start talking.
It's going to happen, so we might as well all accept it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nick harper on May 20, 2010, 07:55:30 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
And so it begins.
So long James.
Very true. The most depressing thing about all this is the weeks and weeks of will he won't he we have to put up with.
The key will be whether Milner agrees to a new contract when he returns but that isn't going to be resolved quickly. My big fear is the we end up being in the same position as Everton last year - fighting to keep a player that ultimately destabilises the pre season and leaves little or no time to reinforce the squad properly by the end of the transfer window..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2010, 08:12:56 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
If City have already told Milner via an agent or two that he could get 150k a week there, his head will have been turned. It is phenomenal money, and were it us in our jobs we would jump ship.
My understanding is it's more about satisfying the greed of the agent who has been driving this from the off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 08:14:27 AM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "john e"
i know i'm in a minority of one here but i think Milners good but he aint all that.
dont want to see him go, but if we can replace him with a bit of creative quality it wont be all bad.
No, I am with you as well. Good player, sometimes very good but over-hyped in my opinion. I don't want him to go either but I will stick my neck out and say he will not propel Man City to where they want to be...
put it this way, if we had never bought Milner, and had the same squad as now, i wouldnt be rushing out paying 25mill for him, i dont think he's in that bracket, he's a great team player, workhorse and heart of the side as others have said,
in our side he stands out because the team is greater than the collective individuals, of which none our English international quality appart from Millner.
like i said i would want him to stay, i like him, but in my view Barry was the greater loss [age aside] we need some quality midfield players with the ability to keep possesion and create chances, like Modric, Arteta etc
i have no faith that MON will go and buy this type of player so it is a bit disheartning all the same
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 20, 2010, 08:19:20 AM
ONeill stopping will mean Milner will stop aswell. Expect a new 3 year deal to be agreed. I would rather have clubs bidding for our players as this will indicate how well they have played for Villa. Keeping Barry like we did when Liverpool were bidding has shown clubs and our players we wont be pushed around. Will be very interesting to see what Fabregas goes for if he moves.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2010, 08:21:25 AM
I thing Milner has the potential to be anything he wants to be. Being surrounded by better players is going to help, as will the tactics but there's nothing stopping him becoming a Steven Gerrard type player (without the cheating, obviously).
What we need to do is to stop having one star player and instead have a few. We had Barry, now we have James. Keeping Milner would go a long way with that plan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nev on May 20, 2010, 08:22:45 AM
Bellamy is utter poison. How anybody would want him is staggering.
As the food chain has started, and as much as we can squeal, Milner could well depart.
No Man City cast offs, just cash and fuckin' lots of it.
You pay 40 mill or fuck off, and if Milner starts crabbing, stick him on the stiffs for the rest of his contract. It will make the players and clubs think twice about bullying those with less wealth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Harte on May 20, 2010, 08:24:24 AM
What about a straight swap? Milner in exchange for Bellamy, Ireland and Barry?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: charleeco7 on May 20, 2010, 08:26:40 AM
If he does go you do have to think what's the point? All that effort in improving a player and building a squad just for them to be sold as soon as we start seeing the benefit. Especially when they go to one of our closest rivals, in terms of league position.
I know it's not the first time it's happened but at least with yorke, platt and Barry we had a good few years out of them before hand.
The more I think about it the more the whole situation makes me even more disillusioned with the modern game.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on May 20, 2010, 08:28:33 AM
villa can name their price. everton did and man city paid 24 million for lescott for gods sake. Not that i want milner to go but if man city offered £25 million + ireland + adebyor or wright phillips, i would be tempted to say maybe ??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on May 20, 2010, 08:36:00 AM
£24m for Lescott really was an outrageous transfer fee. What did Man C originally offer? On this basis Milner has to be close to £30m
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jane on May 20, 2010, 08:36:07 AM
Quote from: "charleeco7"
If he does go you do have to think what's the point?
My thoughts exactly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheMalandro on May 20, 2010, 08:39:51 AM
As Capello said, he is the future of the England team. Letting him go for even 30 million at this stage would be foolish. Give it a year and he will be a regular, two years I would guess he could very well be captain.
But as we know in football, if he wants to go he will go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irish villain on May 20, 2010, 08:41:02 AM
Quote from: "Jane"
Quote from: "charleeco7"
If he does go you do have to think what's the point?
My thoughts exactly.
Ditto, going all the way back to Yorkie when he left. It just hurts to think about it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 20, 2010, 08:42:30 AM
I don't think it's going to happen. Villa are, from what's been said from Lerner, adamant that he is currently not for sale, and the only way I can see it happening is if they come in with a ludicrous offer - £35m plus. I think Milner will not agitate for a move, this summer at least.
For what it's worth, I would hate to lose him. He may not be the most technically proficient player we have but he's up there, and his honesty and energy on the pitch is invaluable. I honestly think he could be talismanic for us in a few years' time. If he's still here that is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on May 20, 2010, 08:47:10 AM
Don't sell.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 20, 2010, 08:55:10 AM
Quote from: "Jane"
Quote from: "charleeco7"
If he does go you do have to think what's the point?
My thoughts exactly.
I really don't get this at all.
It's always been the same for as long as I've been watching football. Were ManU fans saying the same when Ronaldo went last summer? I don't think so.
Every player has a price. Every player can be bought if a ridiculous fee is offered. If City come back with a ridiculous fee for Milner then it might be right to sell him. He's a good player but he's not anywhere near the greatest midfielder in the world at the moment as much as we think of him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 08:59:41 AM
the idea that swapping Milner for Man citehs casts offs, particularly those that have some reputational issues and are on stupid money is not a sound idea. You really think Ireland Richards and SWP will come and play out of thier skins for us, you think that thier wages can be matched by Villa without causing dressing room disruption. If we are to lose Jimy then it meeds to be cash and lots of it, i think £30mil will clinch the deal. The problem would be where do we go from here, if we cant keep our best players then top 10 mediocrity it will be. This also reinforces the view that many of us had that faint progress under MON would not be enough to enable us to become a top 4 team, we have lost that opportunity now because we /he did not show enough intent ambition and flexibility.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 09:01:52 AM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
the idea that swapping Milner for Man citehs casts offs, particularly those that have some reputational issues and are on stupid money is not a sound idea. You really think Ireland Richards and SWP will come and play out of thier skins for us, you think that thier wages can be matched by Villa without causing dressing room disruption. If we are to lose Jimy then it meeds to be cash and lots of it, i think £30mil will clinch the deal. The problem would be where do we go from here, if we cant keep our best players then top 10 mediocrity it will be. This also reinforces the view that many of us had that faint progress under MON would not be enough to enable us to become a top 4 team, we have lost that opportunity now because we /he did not show enough intent ambition and flexibility.
but you still have the problem of spending the 30 mill, if thats what we get,
'cash' and lots of it, doesnt win anything, its the way its spent
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2010, 09:04:25 AM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
This also reinforces the view that many of us had that faint progress under MON would not be enough to enable us to become a top 4 team, we have lost that opportunity now because we /he did not show enough intent ambition and flexibility.
I have to say, there's a certain amount of truth in this.
Ashley Young will now probably be thinking he's been here three years and finished sixth three times.
I doubt he'll be thinking of it in terms of two points more than last season = improvement, he'll be thinking "not in the Champions League".
Last year had Tottenham come in for him, I'd have betted he'd stay. This year if they come in for him, I think he'd be off.
With Man City the money is the distorting factor, not the CL football, but the fact remains that had we finished in the top four and been able to keep our best players, we'd be in a much better position to keep him.
If Milner has to go, I hope it is to Man United. Watching Man City buy our best midfielder two years running would really make me evaluate whether there's really that much point in investing so much emotionally and financially in football.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 09:12:42 AM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
the idea that swapping Milner for Man citehs casts offs, particularly those that have some reputational issues and are on stupid money is not a sound idea. You really think Ireland Richards and SWP will come and play out of thier skins for us, you think that thier wages can be matched by Villa without causing dressing room disruption. If we are to lose Jimy then it meeds to be cash and lots of it, i think £30mil will clinch the deal. The problem would be where do we go from here, if we cant keep our best players then top 10 mediocrity it will be. This also reinforces the view that many of us had that faint progress under MON would not be enough to enable us to become a top 4 team, we have lost that opportunity now because we /he did not show enough intent ambition and flexibility.
but you still have the problem of spending the 30 mill, if thats what we get,
'cash' and lots of it, doesnt win anything, its the way its spent
i agree mate, and MON will try and buy Downings twin brother, it dosent matter because if we are now a selling club it wont matter who we buy
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 09:16:41 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
This also reinforces the view that many of us had that faint progress under MON would not be enough to enable us to become a top 4 team, we have lost that opportunity now because we /he did not show enough intent ambition and flexibility.
I have to say, there's a certain amount of truth in this.
Ashley Young will now probably be thinking he's been here three years and finished sixth three times.
I doubt he'll be thinking of it in terms of two points more than last season = improvement, he'll be thinking "not in the Champions League".
Last year had Tottenham come in for him, I'd have betted he'd stay. This year if they come in for him, I think he'd be off.
With Man City the money is the distorting factor, not the CL football, but the fact remains that had we finished in the top four and been able to keep our best players, we'd be in a much better position to keep him.
If Milner has to go, I hope it is to Man United. Watching Man City buy our best midfielder two years running would really make me evaluate whether there's really that much point in investing so much emotionally and financially in football.
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but how do you get out of this addicted club though ? do you withdraw slowly, or a straight pull out risking cold turkey ?
maybe they should start FCA [football club anonymous]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on May 20, 2010, 09:17:42 AM
It wouldn't be the end of the world if we got a decent fee, £35 mill plus. Spurs sold their 3 best players in the last couple of years, reinvested wisely and are now in the Champions League. I wouldn't want our transfer budget plus the 30 mill from Milner risked on a couple of flashy foreign names or 3/4 Man City rejects. I think it should be invested in our future, we should play a different game, put lots of cash into our academy and hover up the good young talent in the lower leagues and nurture them. More signings like Delph for me please, hungry, young English players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 20, 2010, 09:18:32 AM
I would consider £25m + Ireland and Bellamy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on May 20, 2010, 09:21:53 AM
Quote from: "pedro25"
It wouldn't be the end of the world if we got a decent fee, £35 mill plus. Spurs sold their 3 best players in the last couple of years, reinvested wisely and are now in the Champions League. I wouldn't want our transfer budget plus the 30 mill from Milner risked on a couple of flashy foreign names or 3/4 Man City rejects. I think it should be invested in our future, we should play a different game, put lots of cash into our academy and hover up the good young talent in the lower leagues and nurture them. More signings like Delph for me please, hungry, young English players.
There is the knub !!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on May 20, 2010, 09:22:44 AM
I’ve only read a few of the comments on here and the story on the BBC, it says the Villa will open contract negotiations after the WC, would it not be better to do that before the tournament starts if we are serious about keeping him?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 09:23:48 AM
Anyone think we could get away with flogging them Heskey in a Milner mask?
I think right now we need to understand what Jimmy's feelings are:-
If he isn't interested and wants to stay we tell them to do one, but I think that would need to be a public statement to the circus that will otherwise start to build up, which as he's away with England should come from his agent.
If he does express an interest in going/talking to them, then bids start at £30m plus Stephen Ireland.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 20, 2010, 09:24:39 AM
Quote from: "pedro25"
It wouldn't be the end of the world if we got a decent fee, £35 mill plus. Spurs sold their 3 best players in the last couple of years, reinvested wisely and are now in the Champions League. I wouldn't want our transfer budget plus the 30 mill from Milner risked on a couple of flashy foreign names or 3/4 Man City rejects. I think it should be invested in our future, we should play a different game, put lots of cash into our academy and hover up the good young talent in the lower leagues and nurture them. More signings like Delph for me please, hungry, young English players.
How romantic.
We'd be playing Bristol City again before you knew it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2010, 09:24:54 AM
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I’ve only read a few of the comments on here and the story on the BBC, it says the Villa will open contract negotiations after the WC, would it not be better to do that before the tournament starts if we are serious about keeping him?
Definitely, given that chance, but if I were Milner I'd want to wait until it was over.
It's now difficult to know what to hope for. Milner having a great world cup, therefore pushing his value up, but making it harder for us to hold on to him, or Milner not featuring, keeping his value static, but probably losing him (if he decides to go) in any case.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: charleeco7 on May 20, 2010, 09:25:31 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
If Milner has to go, I hope it is to Man United. Watching Man City buy our best midfielder two years running would really make me evaluate whether there's really that much point in investing so much emotionally and financially in football.
This is more the point for me, it's not that our best players go elsewhere, as said earlier this always happens but who he may go to. There has to be some sort of limit set where you cannot spend money you don't have or have any real chance of recouping.
I was talking to a Shrewsbury town fan about it all and how disillusioned I was getting. He was saying that the football league released figured this week showing that attendances are up across the three lower leagues. This just makes me think I may not be the only one who's had enough of the top flight.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 09:25:50 AM
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I’ve only read a few of the comments on here and the story on the BBC, it says the Villa will open contract negotiations after the WC, would it not be better to do that before the tournament starts if we are serious about keeping him?
I think Capello has banned the England players from doing any transfer deals/contract negotiations until after the World Cup. And rightly so, IMO!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 20, 2010, 09:27:01 AM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 20, 2010, 09:27:26 AM
Randy must be amazed at how much the games changed even in the few years he's been involved.
He bought the whole club, lock stock and £llis for £65 million.
He can now sell a footballer for roughly half that amount.
Ludicrous.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on May 20, 2010, 09:29:56 AM
We really shouldn't be selling to Man Utd's little brother. If their intention is to sign him before the World Cup then it doesn't look like it's going to happen when the starting bid is £20 million.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on May 20, 2010, 09:30:35 AM
Just saw news of this bid now.
My first reaction was that if their first bid was £20 million, how much will they be willing to go to??
£20 million as a first offer was always going to be rejected. I think we can expect some crazy bids coming in.
I hope Randy, MON and Milner are able to stand strong in the face of the £-sign tornado that is heading their way, but I fear they might not be able to.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: charleeco7 on May 20, 2010, 09:32:23 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Randy must be amazed at how much the games changed even in the few years he's been involved.
He bought the whole club, lock stock and £llis for £65 million.
He can now sell a footballer for roughly half that amount.
Ludicrous.
I bet he's rubbing his hands in delight. Nice little earner if ever he wanted to sell. (not that I think he would though but always nice when you realise you got a bargin)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 20, 2010, 09:32:52 AM
Quote from: "andyh"
Quote from: "pedro25"
It wouldn't be the end of the world if we got a decent fee, £35 mill plus. Spurs sold their 3 best players in the last couple of years, reinvested wisely and are now in the Champions League. I wouldn't want our transfer budget plus the 30 mill from Milner risked on a couple of flashy foreign names or 3/4 Man City rejects. I think it should be invested in our future, we should play a different game, put lots of cash into our academy and hover up the good young talent in the lower leagues and nurture them. More signings like Delph for me please, hungry, young English players.
There is the knub !!!
The player that we're talking about here is one that 'we invested in wisely' so I don't see why you need 3 exclamation marks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on May 20, 2010, 09:38:09 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "andyh"
Quote from: "pedro25"
It wouldn't be the end of the world if we got a decent fee, £35 mill plus. Spurs sold their 3 best players in the last couple of years, reinvested wisely and are now in the Champions League. I wouldn't want our transfer budget plus the 30 mill from Milner risked on a couple of flashy foreign names or 3/4 Man City rejects. I think it should be invested in our future, we should play a different game, put lots of cash into our academy and hover up the good young talent in the lower leagues and nurture them. More signings like Delph for me please, hungry, young English players.
There is the knub !!!
The player that we're talking about here is one that 'we invested in wisely' so I don't see why you need 3 exclamation marks.
I can put as many exclamation marks as I want , its my fucking keyboard I'm wearing out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 20, 2010, 09:50:23 AM
milner is the fulcrum of the team through which most good things happen. you can spin it anyway you like but if we sell him its going to be a major rebuilding job however much cash or players we get.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 20, 2010, 09:54:09 AM
Quote from: "andyh"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "andyh"
Quote from: "pedro25"
It wouldn't be the end of the world if we got a decent fee, £35 mill plus. Spurs sold their 3 best players in the last couple of years, reinvested wisely and are now in the Champions League. I wouldn't want our transfer budget plus the 30 mill from Milner risked on a couple of flashy foreign names or 3/4 Man City rejects. I think it should be invested in our future, we should play a different game, put lots of cash into our academy and hover up the good young talent in the lower leagues and nurture them. More signings like Delph for me please, hungry, young English players.
There is the knub !!!
The player that we're talking about here is one that 'we invested in wisely' so I don't see why you need 3 exclamation marks.
I can put as many exclamation marks as I want , its my fucking keyboard I'm wearing out !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Haha !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on May 20, 2010, 10:01:24 AM
My view was tell City to piss off ... and that is what the Club have done this morning. Good.
Aston Villa have turned down Manchester City's £20m bid for their England international James Milner.
"We have received an offer from Manchester City for James Milner and this has been firmly rejected," said a Villa spokesman on Wednesday.
"We plan to sit down with James and his representative after the World Cup to agree a new long-term deal and this remains our position."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 20, 2010, 10:06:54 AM
I can't help but think the club should be offering him a new deal now on the basis that he's our best player. Give him what he is worth, get it signed, send the message out. Why the fuck wait until after the World Cup FFS, where he'll be hanging around all manner of greedy ****** ready to tap him up on behalf of their greedy-****** club?
Randy, sit the lad down NOW.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 20, 2010, 10:08:03 AM
Talk of Milner on Talksport now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on May 20, 2010, 10:28:33 AM
Slap a 50 million fee on his head. That will send out a message stating he is not for sale.
If citeh are willing to pay that, we have 50 mill to start rebuilding!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on May 20, 2010, 10:29:47 AM
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Slap a 50 million fee on his head. That will send out a message stating he is not for sale.
If citeh are willing to pay that, we have 50 mill to start rebuilding!
Now that I like. Good shout!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 20, 2010, 10:32:05 AM
Have a go at some of these quote from Blue Moon:
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We should only pay 5 mil because that's how much Richard dunne cost who also made it onto the team of the year.
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Greedy little bastids.
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Another summer of bitter small time losers complaining that we're ruining football looms.
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Greedy little bastids.
Indeed. They are ruining football by wanting such a large fee.
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It doesn't matter if we pay £100m for him. Some people don't seem to understand the whole 'money no object' thing.
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england should enforce minimum fee release clauses that can only be a maximum of double the original price paid for a player, and only applying to other domestic teams.
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why should we pay over the odds just cos we have money? clubs like villa and everton shouldn't be allowed to hold others to ransom.
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even at £10M he would be massively overpriced
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Am I the only one who cannot get why are we are even bidding for this player, I think he is completely overrated and cannot see where he would fit in our team. How many more Aston Villa players are we going to buy?
Does anyone really believe that their squad is so much better than ours that we have to look to buy all of their players, we already have Gareth Barry and I have heard people talk about Agbonlahor, Ashley Young and now James Milner. Why don't we just by Aston Villa, I really don't understand it.
There are so many much better left-sided attacking midfielders in the world why are we limiting ourselves to average Premier league players when we have the capacity to buy world-class and potential world-class.
This is the same problem we had with Mark Hughes, who looked to buy steady Eddie's rather than Rolls-Royce's.
Does anyone seriously believe that James Milner is a better player/prospect/more potential than Stephen Ireland?
Like I said at the beginning I cannot understand why we are chasing this player at this time in our development.
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Milner should be away with England now being a City player and not have transfer speculation hanging over him going into the WC.
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For us to have made a bid we must have been encouraged to do so, remember Cook as got links with Villa and is a friend of Lerner.
There a few people on there who seem to have a normal brain. Not many, mind you. As has been said here before, they're just bluenoses with money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2010, 10:32:06 AM
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Slap a 50 million fee on his head. That will send out a message stating he is not for sale.
If citeh are willing to pay that, we have 50 mill to start rebuilding!
Unfortunately the problem is that City may not be prepared to pay that and rightly so.
If Milner wants to leave it would be unwise to foce him to stay, we may as well get the best deal for Aston Villa and move on. Throw Ireland in and maybe one or two others and it could suit us better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2010, 10:33:49 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Have a go at some of these quote from Blue Moon:
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We should only pay 5 mil because that's how much Richard dunne cost who also made it onto the team of the year.
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Greedy little bastids.
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Another summer of bitter small time losers complaining that we're ruining football looms.
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Greedy little bastids.
Indeed. They are ruining football by wanting such a large fee.
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It doesn't matter if we pay £100m for him. Some people don't seem to understand the whole 'money no object' thing.
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england should enforce minimum fee release clauses that can only be a maximum of double the original price paid for a player, and only applying to other domestic teams.
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why should we pay over the odds just cos we have money? clubs like villa and everton shouldn't be allowed to hold others to ransom.
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even at £10M he would be massively overpriced
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Am I the only one who cannot get why are we are even bidding for this player, I think he is completely overrated and cannot see where he would fit in our team. How many more Aston Villa players are we going to buy?
Does anyone really believe that their squad is so much better than ours that we have to look to buy all of their players, we already have Gareth Barry and I have heard people talk about Agbonlahor, Ashley Young and now James Milner. Why don't we just by Aston Villa, I really don't understand it.
There are so many much better left-sided attacking midfielders in the world why are we limiting ourselves to average Premier league players when we have the capacity to buy world-class and potential world-class.
This is the same problem we had with Mark Hughes, who looked to buy steady Eddie's rather than Rolls-Royce's.
Does anyone seriously believe that James Milner is a better player/prospect/more potential than Stephen Ireland?
Like I said at the beginning I cannot understand why we are chasing this player at this time in our development.
There a few people on there who seem to have a normal brain. Not many, mind you. As has been said here before, they're just bluenoses with money.
Ho hum, Imagine if it were the other way around. I bet they wouldn't be saying that then
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on May 20, 2010, 10:34:07 AM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Slap a 50 million fee on his head. That will send out a message stating he is not for sale.
If citeh are willing to pay that, we have 50 mill to start rebuilding!
Unfortunately the problem is that City may not be prepared to pay that and rightly so.
If Milner wants to leave it would be unwise to foce him to stay, we may as well get the best deal for Aston Villa and move on. Throw Ireland in and maybe one or two others and it could suit us better.
But it sends the message out that he is not to be poached. If he wants to leave, let him put in a request. Nothing has been said of that. So tell Citeh to do one!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on May 20, 2010, 10:35:23 AM
I may be on my own here but I think Milner is more likely to choose United rather than Citeh, regardless of wages offered. And I hope he does if he chooses to leave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2010, 10:35:24 AM
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Slap a 50 million fee on his head. That will send out a message stating he is not for sale.
If citeh are willing to pay that, we have 50 mill to start rebuilding!
Unfortunately the problem is that City may not be prepared to pay that and rightly so.
If Milner wants to leave it would be unwise to foce him to stay, we may as well get the best deal for Aston Villa and move on. Throw Ireland in and maybe one or two others and it could suit us better.
But it sends the message out that he is not to be poached. If he wants to leave, let him put in a request. Nothing has been said of that. So tell Citeh to do one!
At the moment yes. If Milner wants to leave then im saying we shouldn't stand in his way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2010, 10:36:57 AM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
If Milner wants to leave
Until I see a shred of evidence to the contrary I will assume that is not the case.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on May 20, 2010, 10:39:26 AM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Slap a 50 million fee on his head. That will send out a message stating he is not for sale.
If citeh are willing to pay that, we have 50 mill to start rebuilding!
Unfortunately the problem is that City may not be prepared to pay that and rightly so.
If Milner wants to leave it would be unwise to foce him to stay, we may as well get the best deal for Aston Villa and move on. Throw Ireland in and maybe one or two others and it could suit us better.
But it sends the message out that he is not to be poached. If he wants to leave, let him put in a request. Nothing has been said of that. So tell Citeh to do one!
At the moment yes. If Milner wants to leave then im saying we shouldn't stand in his way.
We are agreed then. I dont want a player who doesnt want to be there. But until he says he wants to go. NO
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2010, 10:41:24 AM
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "lion_in_essex"
Slap a 50 million fee on his head. That will send out a message stating he is not for sale.
If citeh are willing to pay that, we have 50 mill to start rebuilding!
Unfortunately the problem is that City may not be prepared to pay that and rightly so.
If Milner wants to leave it would be unwise to foce him to stay, we may as well get the best deal for Aston Villa and move on. Throw Ireland in and maybe one or two others and it could suit us better.
But it sends the message out that he is not to be poached. If he wants to leave, let him put in a request. Nothing has been said of that. So tell Citeh to do one!
At the moment yes. If Milner wants to leave then im saying we shouldn't stand in his way.
We are agreed then. I dont want a player who doesnt want to be there. But until he says he wants to go. NO
Agreed
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on May 20, 2010, 10:45:29 AM
Quote from: "Des Little"
I may be on my own here but I think Milner is more likely to choose United rather than Citeh, regardless of wages offered. And I hope he does if he chooses to leave.
You're not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 10:47:18 AM
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They are ruining football by wanting such a large fee.
I had to have an ironic chuckle at that one. Yes, it's Villa that are ruining football, not a poxy no-mark club that got bought by one of the richest men in the world!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheEgo on May 20, 2010, 11:06:41 AM
Let's hope that Milner takes a look at a certain Mr Barry and knuckles down with us. Truth be told though he is too good for us to keep forever, he will need to play at a higher level very soon, pains me to say it but it's true!! Champions League was very important for us this year as it would of enabled us to keep the likes of Milner!
If he does go, I hope it's to Man Utd and for medals and not money, he strikes me as the sort of lad that would put success over a wage slip! If that were to happy, he would go with my blessing. Sad eh?!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 20, 2010, 11:15:23 AM
It's in the lap of the Gods now. From an England perspective, Milner's future really ought to be sorted one way or the other BEFORE the World Cup though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on May 20, 2010, 11:20:43 AM
Quote from: "John M"
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They are ruining football by wanting such a large fee.
I had to have an ironic chuckle at that one. Yes, it's Villa that are ruining football, not a poxy no-mark club that got bought by one of the richest men in the world!
Quite. We haven't said we want a fee. We've just rejected one, firmly, and said that we want to talk to OUR player about extending his contract. Doesn't that suggest that we're not interested in Man City's oil money?
But if, after the world cup, we talk to Jimmy and he wants to go, then we're not going to bloody well give him away for nowt are we? Just like Abu Dhabi don't give their in-demand oil away for nothing. Man City changed the game of football with their lottery money, they're going to have to live with that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 20, 2010, 11:41:18 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
It's in the lap of the Gods now. From an England perspective, Milner's future really ought to be sorted one way or the other BEFORE the World Cup though.
Fuck England.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2010, 11:41:49 AM
Derisory first offer, we shouldn't consider anything less that 30 millions. Looking at those quotes from the Citeh fansite, they really are a bunch of classless muppets.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2010, 11:44:35 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
It's in the lap of the Gods now. From an England perspective, Milner's future really ought to be sorted one way or the other BEFORE the World Cup though.
Fuck England.
Indeed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2010, 11:46:27 AM
£30 million cash and Adam Johnson or no deal...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 11:48:25 AM
I think I would be quite happy to let him go for £25m+. There is no denying that he is a very good player and will get better. However this could potentially give us £40m ish this summer.
That would leave us a lot of money for a very good striker and a couple of very good midfielders. Thus improving the team hopefully.
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 20, 2010, 11:50:26 AM
Quote from: "Frank Gallagher""
There are so many much better left-sided attacking midfielders in the world
Can't argue with that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2010, 11:53:30 AM
our problem is that if we sell him, whatever fee we get will be splashed all over the media. Therefore any players we bid for will have their prices inflated.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 11:53:48 AM
as players theres not a lot between Millner and Ireland in my view, i might even prefer Ireland to be honest,
where Millner comes out miles on top is that he is the ultimate proffesional, in the same mold as Scholes, theres not many left in the game but Millner is one of them.
Ireland might be a bit of a chav and has dreadfull taste in most things, but he is a decent player, and could fill the Millner role, whilst we might have a few mill to spend on someone really good at playmaking and creativity in that midfield area.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 11:55:24 AM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
our problem is that if we sell him, whatever fee we get will be splashed all over the media. Therefore any players we bid for will have their prices inflated.
Which is why we may have to shop abroad. BUT if we are going to improve the team, we should be doing that anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2010, 11:58:44 AM
Get Hieb, Bentley and Ireland in, sell for 30 million and I would feel better.
then 30 million on two top strikers...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 20, 2010, 12:00:53 PM
Quote from: "john e"
as players theres not a lot between Millner and Ireland in my view, i might even prefer Ireland to be honest,
Couldn't disagree more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on May 20, 2010, 12:05:09 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
I think the best course of action would be to offer him a new contract after the World Cup. If he turns it down, then let him go and get the best deal we can.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 20, 2010, 12:05:26 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
It's in the lap of the Gods now. From an England perspective, Milner's future really ought to be sorted one way or the other BEFORE the World Cup though.
Fuck England.
Can you stand the 'MIlner, the speculation is he'll be a Man Citeh player as soon as England leave South Africa' type commentating.
I can't.
As for 'Fuck England' - nice sentiment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2010, 12:11:08 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "john e"
as players theres not a lot between Millner and Ireland in my view, i might even prefer Ireland to be honest,
Couldn't disagree more.
Ireland was awesome the season before... would prefer both in the team to be honest..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 12:20:05 PM
Is anyone else getting concerned about the number of players leaving? We've effectively put 6 up for sale, Bouma and Harewood are out of contract and we now potentially have Milner leaving, so that's 9 players.
A month ago we were talking about adding one or two to make the difference, but now it seems like we're facing a pretty major rebuilding job!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 12:21:10 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
I think the best course of action would be to offer him a new contract after the World Cup. If he turns it down, then let him go and get the best deal we can.
This only works if Man City end up as the only club bidding. I can see Chelsea and Man U also bidding and Milner preferring to go there.
In value to us...I think we can be a better team with the £25m regardless of who pays us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 12:22:22 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Is anyone else getting concerned about the number of players leaving? We've effectively put 6 up for sale, Bouma and Harewood are out of contract and we now potentially have Milner leaving, so that's 9 players.
A month ago we were talking about adding one or two to make the difference, but now it seems like we're facing a pretty major rebuilding job!
Not too much. These players have not played much. I think the sqad had run its course and we need MON AVFC V2.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2010, 12:31:36 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
If Lescott is worth £24 million then Milner is worth 35.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 12:36:52 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
If Lescott is worth £24 million then Milner is worth 35.
Thats the point he is not. How can he be worth only £10m less than David Villa?
But it depends what we value Milner at. If MON and Lerner think £25m would improve the team too a larger degree than keeping Milner then it does not matter who pays the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on May 20, 2010, 12:38:40 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
If Lescott is worth £24 million then Milner is worth 35.
Thats the point he is not. How can he be worth only £10m less than David Villa?
But it depends what we value Milner at. If MON and Lerner think £25m would improve the team too a larger degree than keeping Milner then it does not matter who pays the money.
It does matter who pays the money. Man City are a direct competitor for fourth place. I'd rather Real Madrid bought him for 25 million.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: charleeco7 on May 20, 2010, 12:38:47 PM
According to a gossip column on the BBC apparently manure are set to offer £28 million for him. Smells like BS to me
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on May 20, 2010, 12:40:24 PM
£30m minimum otherwise do one. Personally I like the idea of asking £50m and see how they react!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 20, 2010, 12:45:10 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "john e"
as players theres not a lot between Millner and Ireland in my view, i might even prefer Ireland to be honest,
Couldn't disagree more.
Ireland was awesome the season before... would prefer both in the team to be honest..
He was about as awesome as Lee Hendrie at his peak.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 12:47:05 PM
Quote from: Jimbo
Quote from: irreverent ad
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Thats the point he is not. How can he be worth only £10m less than David Villa?
But it depends what we value Milner at. If MON and Lerner think £25m would improve the team too a larger degree than keeping Milner then it does not matter who pays the money.
It does matter who pays the money. Man City are a direct competitor for fourth place. I'd rather Real Madrid bought him for 25 million.
Agreed, but if Lerner & MON feel they can take the team forward better by adding £25m to the kitty then it does not matter who pays. If we don't improve significantly next season...Man City will not be a direct competitor anymore.
I'd rather the money and a chance of improving.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2010, 12:48:37 PM
Wenger might come in yet with the Fabragas money..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 20, 2010, 12:50:01 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
If Lescott is worth £24 million then Milner is worth 35.
Thats the point he is not. How can he be worth only £10m less than David Villa?
Different markets.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 12:50:54 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Wenger might come in yet with the Fabragas money..
I am sure he will.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 12:52:15 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "john e"
as players theres not a lot between Millner and Ireland in my view, i might even prefer Ireland to be honest,
Couldn't disagree more.
Ireland was awesome the season before... would prefer both in the team to be honest..
He was about as awesome as Lee Hendrie at his peak.
but not as Orange
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 12:55:20 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
If Lescott is worth £24 million then Milner is worth 35.
Thats the point he is not. How can he be worth only £10m less than David Villa?
Different markets.
Hopefully this summer we can shop in these 'different markets' with £25m extra.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 20, 2010, 12:55:21 PM
I like Ireland, he's a good player. But Milner has about 5 more strings to his bow and is a much better all round player.
So Ireland would replace some of Milners traits but nowhere near all of them. Add to that, Milner is probably the most down to Earth model pro there is whereas Ireland is potentially as mad as a sack of cats.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on May 20, 2010, 12:57:09 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I like Ireland, he's a good player. But Milner has about 5 more strings to his bow and is a much better all round player.
So Ireland would replace some of Milners traits but nowhere near all of them. Add to that, Milner is probably the most down to Earth model pro there is whereas Ireland is potentially as mad as a sack of cats.
And Ireland's head looks like one of Kojak's lollipops.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on May 20, 2010, 12:58:08 PM
What a load of old arse this is. The media should realise that it's time to stop treating Randy Lerner as if he were some normal chairman who says and does normal chairman things. When he says Milner won't go, he bloody well means it. MON is also more stubborn and likely to dig his heels in than almost any other manager in the league.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on May 20, 2010, 12:59:33 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
What a load of old arse this is. The media should realise that it's time to stop treating Randy Lerner as if he were some normal chairman who says and does normal chairman things. When he says Milner won't go, he bloody well means it. MON is also more stubborn and likely to dig his heels in than almost any other manager in the league.
Did he actually say Milner is not going anywhere though?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 20, 2010, 01:00:06 PM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I like Ireland, he's a good player. But Milner has about 5 more strings to his bow and is a much better all round player.
So Ireland would replace some of Milners traits but nowhere near all of them. Add to that, Milner is probably the most down to Earth model pro there is whereas Ireland is potentially as mad as a sack of cats.
And Ireland's head looks like one of Kojak's lollipops.
Remember the craze for those in the mid 70s? Everyone at school walking around sucking on one....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on May 20, 2010, 01:00:57 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I like Ireland, he's a good player. But Milner has about 5 more strings to his bow and is a much better all round player.
So Ireland would replace some of Milners traits but nowhere near all of them. Add to that, Milner is probably the most down to Earth model pro there is whereas Ireland is potentially as mad as a sack of cats.
And Ireland's head looks like one of Kojak's lollipops.
Remember the craze for those in the mid 70s? Everyone at school walking around sucking on one....
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Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 01:01:44 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
If Lescott is worth £24 million then Milner is worth 35.
Thats the point he is not. How can he be worth only £10m less than David Villa?
But it depends what we value Milner at. If MON and Lerner think £25m would improve the team too a larger degree than keeping Milner then it does not matter who pays the money.
But if they think £25m could improve the team, then with £35m surely they could improve it more?
Our value of Milner as a player is only relevant if we are trying to sell him, which we are not. As such, they not only have to meet what he's worth, but also add some on top to make us agree to a transfer we do not want to do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on May 20, 2010, 01:02:28 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "Monty"
What a load of old arse this is. The media should realise that it's time to stop treating Randy Lerner as if he were some normal chairman who says and does normal chairman things. When he says Milner won't go, he bloody well means it. MON is also more stubborn and likely to dig his heels in than almost any other manager in the league.
Did he actually say Milner is not going anywhere though?
He said things like "James will play at Aston Villa next season" and "we will do everything in our power to keep him". I think people are reading a bit much into the latter statement, whereas it's just an indication that the new contract will be pretty rewarding.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: caster troy on May 20, 2010, 01:02:40 PM
This is really gut-wrenching. It will be awful to lose Milner.
Apart from the obvious downsides to all this, it will also ruin the World Cup for me. I was so looking forward to him being a star for England, as a Villa player. Now it will all be 'future Man City star James Milner' and we won't get a mention. The pride I had seeing Platty in Italia 90 was one of the main reasons I became such a huge Villa fan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 01:08:16 PM
Quote from: "caster troy"
This is really gut-wrenching. It will be awful to lose Milner.
Apart from the obvious downsides to all this, it will also ruin the World Cup for me. I was so looking forward to him being a star for England, as a Villa player. Now it will all be 'future Man City star James Milner' and we won't get a mention. The pride I had seeing Platty in Italia 90 was one of the main reasons I became such a huge Villa fan.
yeah, but you can still cheer on Heskey
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 20, 2010, 01:13:48 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "caster troy"
This is really gut-wrenching. It will be awful to lose Milner.
Apart from the obvious downsides to all this, it will also ruin the World Cup for me. I was so looking forward to him being a star for England, as a Villa player. Now it will all be 'future Man City star James Milner' and we won't get a mention. The pride I had seeing Platty in Italia 90 was one of the main reasons I became such a huge Villa fan.
yeah, but you can still cheer on Heskey
Has he took up the offer of The Green Mile stage play in the West End?
Worth three cheers for that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on May 20, 2010, 01:20:17 PM
Quote from: "caster troy"
This is really gut-wrenching. It will be awful to lose Milner.
Apart from the obvious downsides to all this, it will also ruin the World Cup for me. I was so looking forward to him being a star for England, as a Villa player. Now it will all be 'future Man City star James Milner' and we won't get a mention. The pride I had seeing Platty in Italia 90 was one of the main reasons I became such a huge Villa fan.
Maybe you should lay off the pies................... (winky)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hackneyvillain on May 20, 2010, 01:20:29 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
He said things like "James will play at Aston Villa next season" and "we will do everything in our power to keep him". I think people are reading a bit much into the latter statement, whereas it's just an indication that the new contract will be pretty rewarding.
I just read that to say that he will be sold to a premier league club, thus meaning he will play an away game at Villa Park. Could be wrong though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on May 20, 2010, 01:24:30 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "caster troy"
This is really gut-wrenching. It will be awful to lose Milner.
Apart from the obvious downsides to all this, it will also ruin the World Cup for me. I was so looking forward to him being a star for England, as a Villa player. Now it will all be 'future Man City star James Milner' and we won't get a mention. The pride I had seeing Platty in Italia 90 was one of the main reasons I became such a huge Villa fan.
yeah, but you can still cheer on Heskey
Has he took up the offer of The Green Mile stage play in the West End?
Worth three cheers for that.
Spat lunch all over desk at that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on May 20, 2010, 01:26:11 PM
Cash + players deal may work for us.
People talk about Man City 'cast offs' but we had one all last season and he wasn't too shabby as I recall.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 01:40:20 PM
Milner is doing an England press conference in the next hour, so fingers crossed!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 20, 2010, 01:42:19 PM
If Man U can loose the lady boy then anyone can go if the price is right I am also in the camp that i would love him to stay but i also feel that he is very much overhyped by both press and fans
Interesting that no one else wants anyof our other players yet?
Maybe as the media have hyped up James the Shieks are just asking "Who is a big name / favourite at the moment - James MIlner who does he play for? Ok go and get him"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2010, 01:42:35 PM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Cash + players deal may work for us.
People talk about Man City 'cast offs' but we had one all last season and he wasn't too shabby as I recall.
Word.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on May 20, 2010, 01:45:30 PM
Jimmy is off and Jenas will replace him. There i've said it, we all know that is where we are heading.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 20, 2010, 01:46:13 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
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He is a very good player. But worth over £25m in my opinion, no.
Whilst i agree, it's not really the point. Lescott is never worth £24m, but Man City were stupid enough to pay it.
If Lescott is worth £24 million then Milner is worth 35.
Thats the point he is not. How can he be worth only £10m less than David Villa?
And about 5 years age difference as well.
Different markets.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
He is off from what he said then,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on May 20, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
He is off from what he said then,
What did he say, and where?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 20, 2010, 02:37:23 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "gibbo"
He is off from what he said then,
What did he say, and where?
He ignored the question.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on May 20, 2010, 02:41:09 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "gibbo"
He is off from what he said then,
What did he say, and where?
He ignored the question.
So, in actual fact, this doesn't mean he's off at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 02:42:58 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "gibbo"
He is off from what he said then,
What did he say, and where?
He ignored the question.
he said there is always going to be links with other clubs, which is very flattering but he is just concentrating on England at the moment.
No sign of I like playing for villa or I'm happy at villa.
As soon as the WC is over he will announce that he wishes to leave (in my opinion)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 02:51:30 PM
He's said that he doesn't know where his future lies. This doesn't sound good to me but we shall see. I don't think anything else will be happening till the end of the world cup.
I agree with one of the precious posters sentiments entirely. It will be a shame watching him now, when there's a strong possibility he'll no longer be a Villa player.
I would want Richards, Ireland, Bellamy, Wright Phillips and Santa Cruz: then they have a deal.
I can see Man Ure coming in though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 20, 2010, 02:52:03 PM
If he'd wore a big oversized comedy Claret and Blue stetson with flashing lights saying "Villa til I die" it would be a case of "he doth protest too much".
It was a bog standard answer that you would expect. It means nothing and yet, predictably, everything.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2010, 02:52:13 PM
yes hardly wildly encouraging.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on May 20, 2010, 02:54:07 PM
I don't think he will move sideways for money, which citeh would be this year. If Norwich Utd or Chelski came in it may be another matter.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: E I Adio on May 20, 2010, 02:55:06 PM
Quote from: "Hookeysmith"
If Man U can loose the lady boy then anyone can go if the price is right
Man U didn't lose Ronaldo. He wanted to go and they needed the money to stay afloat as I recall.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on May 20, 2010, 02:56:12 PM
The reality is that every player in football is available at the right price.
Whether we like it or not, if Ma City want him badly enough they'll pay us whatever it takes for us to release him. Unless James specifically doesn't want to double his salary of course.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2010, 02:58:29 PM
"Do I expect to be at Villa next season? I don't know," - I think that quote is rather worrying. It's hardly I want to stay, but it's up to the club kind of thing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 20, 2010, 02:59:33 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "gibbo"
He is off from what he said then,
What did he say, and where?
He ignored the question.
he said there is always going to be links with other clubs, which is very flattering but he is just concentrating on England at the moment.
No sign of I like playing for villa or I'm happy at villa.
As soon as the WC is over he will announce that he wishes to leave (in my opinion)
So nothing to contradict The Guradian article from this morning then.
Quote
Villa are expected to adopt a much more circumspect approach in the market, with Lerner talking about a "sell-to-buy" transfer policy, but the club would be extremely reluctant to cash in on Milner and see him follow Gareth Barry to Eastlands. Martin O'Neill regards Milner as instrumental to his future plans and Lerner has also spoken of the importance of retaining one of English football's brightest young talents. "We're going to do everything we can to keep him," said the Villa chairman only eight days ago.
City will be expected to test that resolve severely over the coming days and weeks. Everton were forced to cave in last year when English football's richest club relentlessly pursued Joleon Lescott, although City were helped on that occasion when the player eventually pushed for a transfer. There is no suggestion that Milner will do likewise at Villa, with sources close to the player saying he will leave the decision in the hands of his club despite the prospect of more than doubling his £45,000-a-week wages at City.
Milner is known to feel a debt of gratitude to O'Neill for the perseverance the Villa manager showed when he signed him from Newcastle United a little under two years ago for what many felt at the time was an inflated £12m fee. He also recognises the part O'Neill has played in his remarkable development over the last 12 months. The Villa manager's decision to move him from wide right to a more central role proving to be a masterstroke that has allowed him to blossom.
I don't think making wild assumptions based on what wasn't said is particularly helpful.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 02:59:45 PM
The only deal I would take is one involving players. I just don't trust MON with 24mil+. Just imagine how Moyes or Hodgson would spend that kind of money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 20, 2010, 03:02:21 PM
All this shite about not trusting MON with the money. Who bought Milner then? Who bought Young? Are they not being touted around for several times what he paid for them?
And I guarantee you now, we'll have the same thing with Delph in a few years.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 03:03:07 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
The only deal I would take is one involving players. I just don't trust MON with 24mil+. Just imagine how Moyes or Hodgson would spend that kind of money.
Yeah - as others have said I wouldn't want him blowing it on that donkey Zamora!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa-love on May 20, 2010, 03:03:53 PM
Quote: "Do I expect to be at Villa next season? I don't know," Milner said. "I've worked as hard as I can and concentrated on club football while the season has been on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 03:09:50 PM
Any two or maybe all three of Richards, Ireland, Wright-Phillips.
Then keane and pavylenchkdhdjdo for ash.
Would we not be a better team then?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 03:10:18 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
All this shite about not trusting MON with the money. Who bought Milner then? Who bought Young? Are they not being touted around for several times what he paid for them?
And I guarantee you now, we'll have the same thing with Delph in a few years.
That's three out of around 20. Even pignose tried to sign James. Two years previously and he could have got him for 3.5mil, if Doug had given him the funds. It was no great feat buying him. I do agree with you on Ashley Young though. No one was interested and MON took a gamble. That was definately his best foray into the transfer market. And bloody hell: he did it in January.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 20, 2010, 03:12:45 PM
Quote: "Do I expect to be at Villa next season? I don't know," Milner said. "I've worked as hard as I can and concentrated on club football while the season has been on.
Doesn't sound promising....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on May 20, 2010, 03:12:57 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Any two or maybe all three of Richards, Ireland, Wright-Phillips.
Then keane and pavylenchkdhdjdo for ash.
Would we not be a better team then?
Not really, no.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 03:14:00 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
The only deal I would take is one involving players. I just don't trust MON with 24mil+. Just imagine how Moyes or Hodgson would spend that kind of money.
Yeah - as others have said I wouldn't want him blowing it on that donkey Zamora!
Martin likes his donkeys too though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on May 20, 2010, 03:14:44 PM
"I've enjoyed my time at Aston Villa, it's a good club, we've had a lot of success this season, came close in two competitions, and we are moving forward."
From past tense to present in the same sentence. Ripe for all kinds of speculation? Or maybe that's just the way footballers speak?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2010, 03:15:38 PM
I've got five of your British pounds right here that says that if we sell Milner, Martin will buy Jenas this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 20, 2010, 03:17:38 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
All this shite about not trusting MON with the money. Who bought Milner then? Who bought Young? Are they not being touted around for several times what he paid for them?
And I guarantee you now, we'll have the same thing with Delph in a few years.
That's three out of around 20. Even pignose tried to sign James. Two years previously and he could have got him for 3.5mil, if Doug had given him the funds. It was no great feat buying him. I do agree with you on Ashley Young though. No one was interested and MON took a gamble. That was definately his best foray into the transfer market. And bloody hell: he did it in January.
They're not the only transfers he's made that have been wise. Come of it man. He bought one of the best defences in the league for less than what Man City paid for Lescott. There have been some dodgy ones too but EVERY manager has made those, even the very best.
I have no qualms about MON spending the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 20, 2010, 03:17:49 PM
Jenas/Keane double swoop :0(((
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namlod on May 20, 2010, 03:17:55 PM
I don't think it the player MON would buy with £24m + that scares me, he has brought in more good players than bad. The issue I have is he doesn't play them hence they are a complete waste of money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 20, 2010, 03:18:47 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I've got five of your British pounds right here that says that if we sell Milner, Martin will buy Jenas this summer.
Done.
If I lose I will also vomit my stomach lining up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 03:20:41 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
The only deal I would take is one involving players. I just don't trust MON with 24mil+. Just imagine how Moyes or Hodgson would spend that kind of money.
Yeah - as others have said I wouldn't want him blowing it on that donkey Zamora!
Martin likes his donkeys too though.
Although I'm sure we'd disagree on that, why use Hodgson as an example of who'd spend the money better, when he's built his side around a striker most of us don't want, but are accusing Martin of being after, hence the reason why he would NOT spend it well, despite not a shred of evidence to suggest he is?
O'Neill might sign Zamora = bad transfer dealer Hodgson did sign Zamora = good transfer dealer
If you want us to sign Zamora then your point has merit, otherwise I'm afraid it's nonsense!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 20, 2010, 03:24:35 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I've got five of your British pounds right here that says that if we sell Milner, Martin will buy Jenas this summer.
Done.
If I lose I will also vomit my stomach lining up.
You're on.
I'll bring a bucket for the vom.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 03:26:43 PM
You can't compare fulhams situation to the millions and millions Villa have spent.
Hodgson has showed how to spend wisley on a budget and use his squad 'effectivly'.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 03:28:27 PM
I've heard What Milner has said and I get the impression he is looking too move.
I just hope we can get some players instead of cash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 03:33:51 PM
Well I do Mazrim, I look at Sidwell, Heskey, Salifou, Davies, Downing, Shorey, Reo Coker, Harewood, Knight, Routledge.
I agree he's made good signings but here outnumbered by the bad ones. And yes we do have a very solid defence at the minute but it took him 3 years and a lot of money to get it right.
In regards to Hodgson: I just think he would spend 24 mil+ more wisely than MON. I certainly don't want us to sign Bobby Zamora. Heskey, Carew and Marlon will suffice.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2010, 03:34:28 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I've got five of your British pounds right here that says that if we sell Milner, Martin will buy Jenas this summer.
Its either him or Huddlestone
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 03:34:31 PM
As Mazrim said earlier, I really don't get this 'MON won't spend it wisely' idiocy we keep seeing repeated. Why do people always think of the poor players he's signed, and I admit there are some, but not the fact we'll at least double our money on Milner, that we also would on Ash, plus the likes of Carew, Collins, Dunne and Warnock? What about Delph who most of us are impressed by and think will prove a bargain?
It honestly baffles me!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 20, 2010, 03:37:19 PM
Only thing worse than selling milner is using the money to buy spurs' reserves :0(
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 03:38:52 PM
His bad signings outweigh the good ones or at best are on par. I don't believe this is a good ratio for one of the apparantly best managers in the game. That's all. Going back to the point: I would want players coming in if Milner were to go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 20, 2010, 03:39:11 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I've got five of your British pounds right here that says that if we sell Milner, Martin will buy Jenas this summer.
Its either him or Huddlestone
I'm sure every Spurs player would prefer the chance to play for his worthiness than the European Cup wouldn't they.
Yet another O'Neill can do no wrong in the transfer market thread. Always worth a good laugh
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 03:43:33 PM
I think there are a few clear successes and a few clear failiures, but a lot in neither bracket that have still been decent. Plus players like Downing who the jury is still out on. I suppose it's in this middle bracket where the debate lies, over such as NRC, Davies, etc.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 20, 2010, 03:44:59 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I've got five of your British pounds right here that says that if we sell Milner, Martin will buy Jenas this summer.
Its either him or Huddlestone
I'm sure every Spurs player would prefer the chance to play for his worthiness than the European Cup wouldn't they.
Yet another O'Neill can do no wrong in the transfer market thread. Always worth a good laugh
I don't understand your point there?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 20, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
I can accept Milner going if Delph develops into the player he looked as if he could become.For me if Delph gets back to full fitness/sharpness, then he will be a better player than Milner, so anything near £28m, preferably with Onohua and Ireland chucked in , i would accept.
MONs bad buys?......Dunne, Warnock, Cuellar, Collins, Friedel, Delph, Milner, AYoung, Carew?
Yet again another topic degenerates into a "MON is shit at buying" arguement.....no hes not, same as every other manager we have ever had, some good, some bad.Move the bad buys on, simple as.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 03:50:38 PM
Paying 12 million for another winger when it's been obvious for years we need a striker is not good business. Especially as the guy is a waste of space: a complete wimp, lacking even a tinge of commitment. 7.5 mil, or thereabouts for Davies and then giving him the complete cold shoulder and telling him he's on the transfer list. Even saying that it's his own fault isn't good business and management, for that matter.
The same applies with Reo.
I actually like the latter two bit it seems MON doesn't and he's the one who spent a lot of money on them.
This, to me = bad transfers and bad management.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 03:54:52 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Paying 12 million for another winger when it's been obvious for years we need a striker is not good business. Especially as the guy is a waste of space: a complete wimp, lacking even a tinge of commitment. 7.5 mil, or thereabouts for Davies and then giving him the complete cold shoulder and telling him he's on the transfer list. Even saying that it's his own fault isn't good business and management, for that matter.
The same applies with Reo.
I actually like the latter two bit it seems MON doesn't and he's the one who spent a lot of money on them.
This, to me = bad transfers and bad management.
He's got a CB who's been injured for the majority of the season, but we've managed well without him. He has a young one coming through, so decides to cash in on the one who was injured as it won't effetc the team and free funds for other players. This to me equals good transfer dealings.
And if he's so bad at signing players, how has he taken a relegation threatened side and finsihed 6th three times running? It can't be the money if you think he's wasted most of it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 20, 2010, 03:56:22 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I've got five of your British pounds right here that says that if we sell Milner, Martin will buy Jenas this summer.
Its either him or Huddlestone
Huddlestone is about 5 times better than Jenas. If Spurs were ever to sell him (doubtful) I'd be delighted with him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 04:01:11 PM
You don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. MON has made some good signings. Okay. But in my opinion they're outnumbered by bad ones. And no, I don't think paying 7.5 mil for Davies is good transfer dealing, unless of course we get it back. Personally, I can't see this happening. I agree totally about bringing through Clark, but did he not just play one game last season when we were totally desperate. Also, he hasn't made the bench too often. Davies is leaving becuase MON deems him not good enough. If he was good enough he'd be playing. Bad transfer! I hope Clark does get given first team football next season, and I hope, if he does, it's not just because we're desperate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 04:02:17 PM
i still think MON will leave, never mind Millner
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 04:14:11 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
You don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying.
I completely understand what you're saying, I just completely disagree with it!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 20, 2010, 04:16:14 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
You don't seem to be understanding what I'm saying. MON has made some good signings. Okay. But in my opinion they're outnumbered by bad ones.
That's where we'll disagree then. I dont think the bad outnumber the good. I dont think MON is any better or worse in the transfer market than most managers. Its certainly not his strongest suit but he's pulled some crackers out. The speculative ones sometimes dont work out, I can live with that.
Also, as a team gets better the standards improve and the players will inevitably have to be upgraded too. So its no suprise we have to get rid of some that arent good enough anymore. Show me a manager that hasnt had to do this.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 04:18:14 PM
Being discussed on talksport now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 20, 2010, 04:19:55 PM
This is my attmept to categorise all of O'Neill's signings.
Good at this point in time. Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Delph, Milner, Young, Carew, Freidel, Cuellar.
Were good but stopped playing. L Young, Reo-coker, Davies.
Jury still out. Guzan, Downing
Unbelievably shit. Beye, Shorey, Heskey, MFH.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on May 20, 2010, 04:21:09 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Being discussed on talksport now.
I'm sure that station will provide an intellectual insight into the issue..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 20, 2010, 04:21:20 PM
Darren Gough dosent seem to realise Milner is represented by the PFA.
apparently his agent will now be phoning every club with any cash to try and bid for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 04:32:36 PM
Good old Darren Gough. I can't half talk shite. For once though, he made a valid point regarding football. "if o ' neil plays this right, it could actually be great for Aston villa". I happen to agree Goughie. Now have a lie down.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 04:33:14 PM
Quote from: "hipkiss92"
This is my attmept to categorise all of O'Neill's signings.
Good at this point in time. Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Delph, Milner, Young, Carew, Freidel, Cuellar.
Were good but stopped playing. L Young, Reo-coker, Davies.
Jury still out. Guzan, Downing
Unbelievably shit. Beye, Shorey, Heskey, MFH.
Not a bad shout. I'd add Petrov to the 'good' list and Sidwell to the 'shit' list though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Colhint on May 20, 2010, 04:37:29 PM
just a few points.
From what I read he didn't say he was leaving. He just said he doesn't know where he'll be next year.
there is always spin on these things its a bit like the tabloids reporting that so and so refused to deny when said person wouldn't comment,
It's really interesting to watch when there are no agents involved, so few stories to the press
Unlike the vast majority of premier league chairmen I fully expect Randy to do the right thing by the club
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 20, 2010, 04:38:22 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "hipkiss92"
This is my attmept to categorise all of O'Neill's signings.
Good at this point in time. Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Delph, Milner, Young, Carew, Freidel, Cuellar.
Were good but stopped playing. L Young, Reo-coker, Davies.
Jury still out. Guzan, Downing
Unbelievably shit. Beye, Shorey, Heskey, MFH.
Not a bad shout. I'd add Petrov to the 'good' list and Sidwell to the 'shit' list though.
yeah I knew I had forgot a few players but couldnt think of who they were.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on May 20, 2010, 04:38:37 PM
What Darren Gough knows about football I could write on my arse with a paintbrush. He probably thinks Milner still plays for Leeds.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyshawsknee on May 20, 2010, 04:40:17 PM
Quote from: "hipkiss92"
Darren Gough dosent seem to realise Milner is represented by the PFA.
apparently his agent will now be phoning every club with any cash to try and bid for Milner.
Gough is an absolute nimrod,id rather listen to David Gower chatting about the Villa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 04:40:28 PM
I'd also add Salifou to the complete shit list. Zat Knight aswell, although I treasure those Arsenal and Chelsea goals. However, Cahill out, Zat in. Routledge, complete shit. And I'd have to say Downing, especially at the price tag. I hope he proves me wrong though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 20, 2010, 04:40:39 PM
Talkshite :
Milner should go to a big club for the sake of his career
Villa should cash in
Man City are the future of English football
It would be impossible for Villa to finish 4th
He should go to Arsenal who will be the world`s biggest club in two years
Villa should get Viera as part of the deal
Where the**** do they gety these muppets from/
I know, I know don`t listen to the station - I need some form of entertainment coming home on the M62.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 04:44:08 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
I'd also add Salifou to the complete shit list. Zat Knight aswell, although I treasure those Arsenal and Chelsea goals. However, Cahill out, Zat in. Routledge, complete shit. And I'd have to say Downing, especially at the price tag. I hope he proves me wrong though.
When we're taking a punt for a nominal fee I don't think they can be classed as bad - more a case of we got what we paid for.
Zat Knight was useful while here and sold on for a profit. One of those 'stepping stone' players to take us from where we were but not good enough for where we're going.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 04:53:40 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
I'd also add Salifou to the complete shit list. Zat Knight aswell, although I treasure those Arsenal and Chelsea goals. However, Cahill out, Zat in. Routledge, complete shit. And I'd have to say Downing, especially at the price tag. I hope he proves me wrong though.
When we're taking a punt for a nominal fee I don't think they can be classed as bad - more a case of we got what we paid for.
Zat Knight was useful while here and sold on for a profit. One of those 'stepping stone' players to take us from where we were but not good enough for where we're going.
I wouldn't call them good signings.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 04:55:44 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
I'd also add Salifou to the complete shit list. Zat Knight aswell, although I treasure those Arsenal and Chelsea goals. However, Cahill out, Zat in. Routledge, complete shit. And I'd have to say Downing, especially at the price tag. I hope he proves me wrong though.
When we're taking a punt for a nominal fee I don't think they can be classed as bad - more a case of we got what we paid for.
Zat Knight was useful while here and sold on for a profit. One of those 'stepping stone' players to take us from where we were but not good enough for where we're going.
I wouldn't call them good signings.
And neither did I - I just don't call them bad either! As I said before, it's not just two absolutes when judging a transfer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Sals on May 20, 2010, 04:55:58 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Good old Darren Gough. I can't half talk shite. For once though, he made a valid point regarding football. "if o ' neil plays this right, it could actually be great for Aston villa". I happen to agree Goughie. Now have a lie down.
Last night he was saying Villa will never get into the CL and are very much punching above their weight these last couple of years, almost in a derogatory, 'they don't deserve it' kind of way. He said they will have no chance of attaining the lofty heights of Spurs and were not really in the same bracket as Man City and Liverpool either. I used to quite like Goughy, but this is just pure ignorance and made my blood boil. I know, it was just on in the car on the way home!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2010, 05:01:24 PM
Quote from: "Colhint"
It's really interesting to watch when there are no agents involved, so few stories to the press
Milner has an agent, an agent that did all the running to Citeh, an agent that met with Citeh about a month ago, an agent that can smell the money.
My understanding is this all the work of the agent hoping to cash in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 05:02:17 PM
Well, I'm saying they are bad signings John.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 20, 2010, 05:04:04 PM
Could somebody clear up once and for all whether Milner has an agent or not?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 20, 2010, 05:09:02 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Could somebody clear up once and for all whether Milner has an agent or not?
He has a PFA representative doesn't he?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: caster troy on May 20, 2010, 05:10:03 PM
We can't read too much into Milner's comments. Put it this way, even a die hard Villa fan playing for the club would have to realise that at some stage Man City might make an offer so huge that it would be impossible to turn down. He can't come out and say he's going nowhere because they could bid £50 million tomorrow and we could hardly say no to that given the players we could bring in with that sort of cash.
The key issues here will be our valuation of the player, and how much City are prepared to pay. If they meet our valuation which I imagine will be pretty big, he will go. If they fall short then Milner will have to make a decision. For now he can say nothing in the press and see how the bidding plays out. He may also wait to see who else comes in for him, although managers like Fergie won't want a bidding war with City.
I'd love us to make him a great offer, give him the captaincy and sign 2 top players in July that make him choose us ahead of money alone. Can't see it happening though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2010, 05:25:42 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Could somebody clear up once and for all whether Milner has an agent or not?
Quote
He has an agent. He worked with a PFA agent until he joined Villa. I've heard from a trustworthy source that Milner's agent was in talks with Citeh a few weeks ago. I think it's more the agent touting Milner looking to cash in, rather than James requesting a move.
From page 6. The only things to add to the above is the source is extremely trustworthy and they thought the agent was one of Ferguson's lads but couldn't confirm at the time. He did give me the name of his former rep at the PFA but I've forgotten who it was.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2010, 05:26:37 PM
Quote from: "hipkiss92"
This is my attmept to categorise all of O'Neill's signings.
Good at this point in time. Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Delph, Milner, Young, Carew, Freidel, Cuellar.
Were good but stopped playing. L Young, Reo-coker, Davies.
Jury still out. Guzan, Downing
Unbelievably shit. Beye, Shorey, Heskey, MFH.
Seems a bit harsh on Beye considering he hardly got a look in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on May 20, 2010, 05:28:03 PM
And the club captain fits in where?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 20, 2010, 05:33:04 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "hipkiss92"
This is my attmept to categorise all of O'Neill's signings.
Good at this point in time. Dunne, Collins, Warnock, Delph, Milner, Young, Carew, Freidel, Cuellar.
Were good but stopped playing. L Young, Reo-coker, Davies.
Jury still out. Guzan, Downing
Unbelievably shit. Beye, Shorey, Heskey, MFH.
Seems a bit harsh on Beye considering he hardly got a look in.
Shorey too in my opinion. Arguably our best player at the end of 08/09.
With regards to Milner, why is it Villa players never ever say 'Yeah Im happy here and I intend to see out my contract'? I think when Barry left last year it took a lot of my interest in football away. If Milner goes then it will probably end it. If we're going to settle for 6th place every season theres no point even bothering. Might as well scrap the Prem and just have a european super league with teams that actually compete with each other......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on May 20, 2010, 05:36:34 PM
Sadly I think the price on offer for milner will rise until we cannot refuse - if mon plays it right though he could get a couple of decent city players and a fair chunk of cash as part of the deal.
The key is whether man u will match what city finally offer but I couldn't blame milner for wanting to go and he would maybe treble his wages in the process.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2010, 05:38:00 PM
Quote from: "pedro25"
And the club captain fits in where?
Were good but stopped playing (normally from exhaustion around the 70 min mark).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 20, 2010, 06:01:17 PM
I hear that Fabregas is unsettled.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 06:01:55 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
With regards to Milner, why is it Villa players never ever say 'Yeah Im happy here and I intend to see out my contract'?
Probably because we'd take that as them fancing a Bosman in a couple of years and argue about whether we should cash in now or not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 06:10:39 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Well, I'm saying they are bad signings John.
I know you do, but you're wrong.
And you still haven't answered this, by the way:-
Quote from: "John M"
And if he's so bad at signing players, how has he taken a relegation threatened side and finsihed 6th three times running? It can't be the money if you think he's wasted most of it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Darcy and the Curtains on May 20, 2010, 06:11:13 PM
I`d Be suprised if he joined city. No champs league, won`t win prem title next year and the manager could be gone by xmas ( unless he over achieves ). Too unstable their. In two years time they`ll be a force but not before ( see Chelsea a few years back ).
Mon can laugh at city but not at man utd. He can let city inflate the price, let utd turn milners head and play hardball ala G. Barry a few years back. We should then get top dollar or keep the player. Not the end of the world either way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 20, 2010, 06:13:10 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
With regards to Milner, why is it Villa players never ever say 'Yeah Im happy here and I intend to see out my contract'?
Probably because we'd take that as them fancing a Bosman in a couple of years and argue about whether we should cash in now or not.
I'd have far more respect for them if they saw out the contract they signed. Although I'm sure none of them will lose sleep overt whether or not I have respect for them.....
In an ideal world Sky would go bust and the Premier League would implode but we know that aint gonna happen :(
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 20, 2010, 06:19:16 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
With regards to Milner, why is it Villa players never ever say 'Yeah Im happy here and I intend to see out my contract'?
Probably because we'd take that as them fancing a Bosman in a couple of years and argue about whether we should cash in now or not.
I'd have far more respect for them if they saw out the contract they signed. Although I'm sure none of them will lose sleep overt whether or not I have respect for them.....
In an ideal world Sky would go bust and the Premier League would implode but we know that aint gonna happen :(
Why do you want Sky to go bust ? Premier League Darts on thursdays is great
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 20, 2010, 06:21:54 PM
There is a world of difference between the Barry situation and Millners. Unfortunately, it may be the same conclusion. Everybody has their price. If he did finish up leaving, from James Millners point of view a move to Man U would be far preferable for his career. Apart from MON he has had no managerial stability, instability could be expected to return going to Man City or Chelsea. From our point of view, you never want you stars to leave but it can work to your advantage. Ron Atkinson was able to build a fine side with the help of money received for David Platt. On the other hand, it took us years to recover from Dwight Yorke leaving, perhaps we never fully recovered and got left behind at a vital time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 20, 2010, 06:22:45 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Well, I'm saying they are bad signings John.
I know you do, but you're wrong.
And you still haven't answered this, by the way:-
Quote from: "John M"
And if he's so bad at signing players, how has he taken a relegation threatened side and finsihed 6th three times running? It can't be the money if you think he's wasted most of it?
£240million?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 20, 2010, 06:24:06 PM
I can't even begin to imagine what you think £240m represents.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Stu on May 20, 2010, 06:25:08 PM
I really think it depends on how Jimmy does at the wc. If he has a great performance then he'll be off IMO, I doubt we'd be able to match his wage demands at the negotiations for a new contract.
Can't see it being Man City though. I'd have thought Man United would keep their powder dry before launching a bid. Either way, I don't think he'll be here in August if he performs well in SA.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 20, 2010, 06:26:27 PM
I think the correct amount is closer to one hundred million. That's what has turned us into a top 6 side.
30-40 million of it was. Yes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: codyvillan on May 20, 2010, 06:28:04 PM
i think 25 mill represents excellent business by the club, and is crucial in providing thes sustainable business model that we all want.
its what spurs have had to do for years losing carrick and berbatov, but they've reinvested the money well, maintained their position as champs league challengers, and finally made it.
i think thats what we need to be doing
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 20, 2010, 06:28:54 PM
I think Milner will not be a Villa player by September.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 06:31:28 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
I think the correct amount is closer to one hundred million. That's what has turned us into a top 6 side.
But mpst if was spent on bad players, wasn't it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2010, 06:32:03 PM
Quote from: "Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air"
There is a world of difference between the Barry situation and Millners. Unfortunately, it may be the same conclusion. Everybody has their price. If he did finish up leaving, from James Millners point of view a move to Man U would be far preferable for his career. Apart from MON he has had no managerial stability, instability could be expected to return going to Man City or Chelsea. From our point of view, you never want you stars to leave but it can work to your advantage. Ron Atkinson was able to build a fine side with the help of money received for David Platt. On the other hand, it took us years to recover from Dwight Yorke leaving, perhaps we never fully recovered and got left behind at a vital time.
Isn't that the problem with the Villa, we never build from a position of strength?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on May 20, 2010, 06:34:00 PM
I'd hold out for £28m though rumours sweeping Manchester are they are making a 2nd offer of £25m tonight.
I can see this being finalised before the world cup as I'm sure nobody will want it to drag on for weeks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 20, 2010, 06:38:00 PM
Quote from: "codyvillan"
i think 25 mill represents excellent business by the club, and is crucial in providing thes sustainable business model that we all want.
its what spurs have had to do for years losing carrick and berbatov, but they've reinvested the money well, maintained their position as champs league challengers, and finally made it.
i think thats what we need to be doing
I must admit this thought crossed my mind the other day. Very good point......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 20, 2010, 06:38:37 PM
Quote from: "east19"
I'd hold out for £28m though rumours sweeping Manchester are they are making a 2nd offer of £25m tonight.
No way will MON accept a penny less than £30 mill (if it isn't a part player swap). And City can afford it too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 20, 2010, 06:39:26 PM
I'd be relatively optimistic that if it's only a choice out of Citeh or us, he'll remain here.
Not for any moral or ethical reason on Jimmy's part, purely from the point of view that it might benefit his career to stay (at least) a year longer with us.
He has already left his boyhood club, departed Newcastle when he was very popular with their fans so there is previous in that regard. Lets not delude ourselves that he loves us any more than he's loved those two previous clubs.
That said, I think he is less likely to be swayed by flashing pound signs as per Lardarse, and the combination of a settled environment, a manager who he knows and trusts (and a pay increase) should be enough to see him remain.
If it's *only* Citeh that are in the bidding. If a genuinely big club comes in, that's a different matter altogether.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 06:39:52 PM
Quote from: "Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air"
From our point of view, you never want you stars to leave but it can work to your advantage. Ron Atkinson was able to build a fine side with the help of money received for David Platt. On the other hand, it took us years to recover from Dwight Yorke leaving, perhaps we never fully recovered and got left behind at a vital time.
Although both the deals were done under him, I would think the difference should Milner go is Doug v Randy.
With Platt the £5m from Bari was far in excess of what transfers cost in the UK at the time, with Yorke it was high but not artificially so compared to what we were paying for transfers at the time. Although both were re-invested, Platt's fee allowed us to steal a march and Yorke's didn't. The Milner cash might not either, but it will probably be on top of Randy's own spending, so ultimately we can recover from it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 20, 2010, 06:53:49 PM
If he is going, we should definetely hold out until after the world cup. If he doesnt do anything of note in the tournament, his value wont go down. However, its not beyond the realms of possibility that he could excel and we get an extra £10-£15 million.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Arsey on May 20, 2010, 06:54:31 PM
Forget about Bellamy; he'll be on over 100k at Citeh and he is hardly going to take a 50% pay cut to come to us. He's also 31, it would be crazy to sign a player over 30 whose biggest asset is his pace.
I would rather we concentrated our efforts on buying players under 24 who will develop into the next big stars (only for Citeh to come and buy them).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: 5ft811st2 Durham on May 20, 2010, 06:56:26 PM
Considering that City paid 24 million for Joleon Lescott which was over twice his market value, there is no way we should accept anything less than 38 million.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 20, 2010, 07:06:58 PM
If they offered Ireland and Santa Cruz i'd snap there hand off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on May 20, 2010, 07:07:55 PM
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
If they offered Ireland and Santa Cruz i'd snap there hand off.
Ireland, Santa cruz and £ 10m!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Beijing Villan on May 20, 2010, 07:15:43 PM
As a club, we have two options, sell or keep. We can keep Milner by making a post World Cup contract offer that he accepts, that will need both parties to come to an agreement. Alternatively, if we cannot come to an agreement or MONJ/Randy/Club decide to cash in then our job is to get the best possible deal for AVFC.
Too early in the game to make a prediction, but there are number of factors in our favour.
1. Milner has two years left on his contract. That gives us a certain amount of bargaining power.
2. MON played hardball with Barry/Liverpool/Citeh in a similar situation which was a good precedent to set. Shows that we have a history of not letting rivals take the piss.
3. Time is on our side (see 1). The World Cup kicks off very soon and Capello has said that players should not be involved in transfer negotiations during the WC. Hence why ManC have tried to kick this off early. Citeh are the ones in a hurry, there is no reason why we have to let them dictate the timing of this - tell them to bugger off now and if they want to have a chat after the WC then that is their perogative.
4. The club has already said that they plan to talk with Milner post-WC with regards to a new contract. We should keep to that intention.
5. Citeh obviously see Milner as a key signing, the longer this drags on the twitchier they will get. The more likely they are to up the ante.
6. The longer this drags on the more likely other clubs may start to have a sniff. It's doubtful that anyone will outbid Citeh but having Chelsea or ManUre making enquiries would strengthen our hand if we decided to sell.
With regards to a cash+player deal, I'm not sure that's a good option. Citeh are paying silly wages, I can't see Bellamy, SWP et al being open to the idea of a pay decrease to move to the Villa and I don't want to see them coming here on the inflated salaries that they currently earn, I just don't see them justifying the cost.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: caster troy on May 20, 2010, 07:24:16 PM
Has anyone mentioned that Shearer has told him to stay at Villa? He's certainly gone up in my estimations. How long before David Platt comes out and says he should leave?
I'm surprised no-one has suggested we ask for Barry back as part of the deal....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 20, 2010, 07:53:51 PM
I'd be happier to sell our Ash to be honest. Move Milner to the right a la Des Bremner and get have downing on the left. Would give us a better balance and allow us to buy another forward and attacking midfielder with money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 20, 2010, 08:00:32 PM
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
If they offered Ireland and Santa Cruz i'd snap there hand off.
I assume you mean with a fair wedge of money? because if not, they can forget it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 20, 2010, 08:02:43 PM
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 20, 2010, 08:03:17 PM
Let's be sensible. Milner will be worth around 20-25m.
Ireland and Santa Cruz together will come to around that. The swap isn't bad but still leaves us without balance so unless MON has other rods in the fire then no.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 20, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Milners fantastic engine and attitude naturally endears him to the fans but in my opinion his ability is limited and often leaves gaps whilst running around like a headless chicken.
He is not in the frame of a top international midfielder like your Lampards and your Gerrards - not by a long stretch.
Ireland would be more than a capable replacement and Santa Cruz would thrive on the service Ash would supply. It would be unrealistic to want money as well seen as Santa Cruz cost them a fortune only a year ago.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MadJohnnyC on May 20, 2010, 08:17:34 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
If they offered Ireland and Santa Cruz i'd snap there hand off.
I assume you mean with a fair wedge of money? because if not, they can forget it.
Okay then they can throw in Richards aswell !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 20, 2010, 08:26:15 PM
Ireland, Santa Cruz and Onourha would be a good deal for us. tHe joy of City is they have 5-6 players who would make us a hell of a lot stronger squad wise and going forward.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2010, 08:30:15 PM
Would've taken Santa Cruz a year ago but he dosen't seem that bothered anymore.
Never been a big fan but SWP might do o.k for us...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 20, 2010, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Let's be sensible. Milner will be worth around 20-25m.
Worth for whom? For us or Man Utd, probably.
For Man City? Stick a nought on the end of it. Why wouldn't we?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rigadon on May 20, 2010, 09:01:47 PM
I'm surprised so many people are keen on Santa Cruz as part some kind swap plus cash deal. He had one good season for Blackburn and has been a spectator since.
Also, Bellamy. Great player but at the end of his career and on outrageous wages.
SWP, not for me.
Ireland. Maybe.
In fact, any of the fringe players at city were not good enough to get in a team that only finished the points equivalent of one win above us are unlikely to make the sort of impact we need to push us on from high pacing also rans.
This is a turning point for me. We have to keep James Milner at all costs. He should be made club captain and paid what he is worth in today's current market because if he's allowed to leave for Manchester City we may as well admit that we are going to be a good cup side and nothing more.
People talk about the transfer fee as if it's their own bank account. ALl I care about is watching a Villa team that's as good as it can be and right now that should have Milner at it's heart.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 20, 2010, 09:07:10 PM
Sky are reporting that Milner will only decide his future after the World Cup. Sounds hopeful.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TelfordVilla on May 20, 2010, 09:26:06 PM
I just cannot believe the low valuations some people are putting on Jimmy. Firstly he isnt for sale. If silly money is offered ie £100m then he is for sale. We dont want crappy player deals. Straight cash up front. Citeh have got more money than grains of sand, so pay up or sod off.
As for Manure's interest. Jimmy is a Leeds boy. So he will loath Manure as much as you or I. He will see his future with us rather than them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt Collins on May 20, 2010, 09:29:32 PM
It's hard to put a price on him really. Compared to Lescott, you'd have to be looking at upwards of £30m. But compared to the David Villa and reported Fabregas fees of £35m, you'd have to put him at a fair bit less than that.
He's my favourite player, but he's only had one breakthrough season. I don't want him to go, but I do think we could remain competitive and perhaps get in a top forward.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on May 20, 2010, 09:34:37 PM
Quote from: "TelfordVilla"
I just cannot believe the low valuations some people are putting on Jimmy. Firstly he isnt for sale. If silly money is offered ie £100m then he is for sale. We dont want crappy player deals. Straight cash up front. Citeh have got more money than grains of sand, so pay up or sod off.
As for Manure's interest. Jimmy is a Leeds boy. So he will loath Manure as much as you or I. He will see his future with us rather than them.
That didn't stop Alan Smith.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TelfordVilla on May 20, 2010, 09:37:05 PM
That didn't stop Alan Smith.[/quote]
didnt stop Alan Smith from what ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jamestownvilla on May 20, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
Quote from: "TelfordVilla"
That didn't stop Alan Smith.
didnt stop Alan Smith from what ?[/quote] joining utd as he is a leeds lad
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on May 20, 2010, 09:43:28 PM
Quote from: "TelfordVilla"
That didn't stop Alan Smith.
didnt stop Alan Smith from what ?[/quote]
Signing for Manchester United.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Marcus1970 on May 20, 2010, 09:45:57 PM
If Mourinho was at Citeh,i don't think we would keep him but Mancini is not in his league.
Chequebook managers are ok but a player with integrity would respect that,i think Milner is one of the very few,who would.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TelfordVilla on May 20, 2010, 09:53:52 PM
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Quote from: "TelfordVilla"
That didn't stop Alan Smith.
didnt stop Alan Smith from what ?
Signing for Manchester United.[/quote]
If I remember rightly, Smithy didnt want to leave Leeds for Utd but it was financially beneficial to Leeds at the time. Therefore Smith served Leeds best by joining Utd. That wouldnt be the case with James Milner who will serve Villa best by staying or going for silly money ie £100m not a pathetic by current standards £25-30m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 20, 2010, 09:56:14 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Sky are reporting that Milner will only decide his future after the World Cup. Sounds hopeful.
Why ?
That says to me, 'I want to focus totally on the World Cup thank you all the same'.
I, like many, would like a 'I want to stay at Villa Park and am sitting down with Martin O'Neill and Randy Lerner after the World Cup to discuss things - and I am only 2 years into a 4 year contract at Aston Villa'.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 20, 2010, 09:59:17 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Let's be sensible. Milner will be worth around 20-25m.
Being sensible is looking after our own interests and understanding that Man City pay over the odds.
So fuck 'em - £50m!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on May 20, 2010, 10:01:51 PM
I wonder who of Mancini's squad he doesn't fancy and wants to do away with?
I think it's safe to say Bellamy, SWP, Ireland and Santa Cruz are on that list, but hey, if he wants to offload Tevez or Adebayor I might be tempted, Pie in the sky, but a man can dream...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 20, 2010, 10:34:43 PM
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 20, 2010, 10:39:29 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Striker?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 20, 2010, 10:40:21 PM
Quote
If I remember rightly, Smithy didnt want to leave Leeds for Utd but it was financially beneficial to Leeds at the time. Therefore Smith served Leeds best by joining Utd. That wouldnt be the case with James Milner who will serve Villa best by staying or going for silly money ie £100m not a pathetic by current standards £25-30m.
Think it would be naive in the extreme to assume Jimmy wouldn't join the biggest club in the country to further his career if such an offer came about (United that is, not Citeh obv).
It's also a tad naive to think he'll be going for a sum in excess of the £80 million Ronaldo moved for last summer.
Any deal approaching the £30 million mark would be hard to refuse, be it a combination of decent players and cash from Citeh or United (note, not busted flushes like Roque Santa Cruz), or a straight cash bid. You are effectively talking about close to a British record in such a scenario, lets not forget.
Jimmy is a good player, at times a very good one. With the work ethic and dedication to improve further. But he's not an elite player. If some club wants to stump up an elite price though, that's their prerogative. We don't have to sell, so it's up to them to bend to our terms.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 20, 2010, 10:43:31 PM
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Milners fantastic engine and attitude naturally endears him to the fans but in my opinion his ability is limited and often leaves gaps whilst running around like a headless chicken.
He is not in the frame of a top international midfielder like your Lampards and your Gerrards - not by a long stretch.
Ireland would be more than a capable replacement and Santa Cruz would thrive on the service Ash would supply. It would be unrealistic to want money as well seen as Santa Cruz cost them a fortune only a year ago.
Milner is better than those two were at his age. He will be the most important player at his club over the next 5 years, whichever club he is at. I can't envisage any possible situation for Villa where selling Milner this summer is a better option than keeping.
What would it cost Man City to buy a 25 year old Lampard or Gerrard in this current market?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 20, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Agree!
And before people bang on about Doyle he is quality for less than 10mill, which suits a team like us who are on a budget.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MattW on May 20, 2010, 11:37:51 PM
This article just posted in the Guardian (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/20/james-milner-aston-villa-manchester-city) relies on an inside briefing by Manchester City. That is: their impression is supposedly that Milner wants to leave and that they'd be prepared to pay £30m. The 'leaks' are designed to give an air of inevitability to the transfer. It's different to the Guardian article yesterday that suggested Milner wanted to stay.
It probably depends on how much we're prepared to pay him (which this article suggests we'll find out soon) because no doubt he's been promised a lot by them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Arsey on May 20, 2010, 11:40:32 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Milners fantastic engine and attitude naturally endears him to the fans but in my opinion his ability is limited and often leaves gaps whilst running around like a headless chicken.
He is not in the frame of a top international midfielder like your Lampards and your Gerrards - not by a long stretch.
Ireland would be more than a capable replacement and Santa Cruz would thrive on the service Ash would supply. It would be unrealistic to want money as well seen as Santa Cruz cost them a fortune only a year ago.
Milner is better than those two were at his age. He will be the most important player at his club over the next 5 years, whichever club he is at. I can't envisage any possible situation for Villa where selling Milner this summer is a better option than keeping.
What would it cost Man City to buy a 25 year old Lampard or Gerrard in this current market?
At 25 he was better than Gerrard...
are you sure about that one....
you mean 5 years ago when Gerrard pretty much single handedly won them the Champions league....
Milner is a very good player, model pro.... but Steven Gerrard he isn't and never will be. This is from someone who hates the scouse diving bastard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 20, 2010, 11:43:47 PM
Ashley Young too. They are seriously becoming cnuuts ....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on May 20, 2010, 11:44:38 PM
In today's Independent, they reported that sources from Citeh were not expecting to complete the deal until very late in the transfer window.
If this is true, it is worrying.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Arsey on May 20, 2010, 11:49:40 PM
Quote from: "Arsey"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Milners fantastic engine and attitude naturally endears him to the fans but in my opinion his ability is limited and often leaves gaps whilst running around like a headless chicken.
He is not in the frame of a top international midfielder like your Lampards and your Gerrards - not by a long stretch.
Ireland would be more than a capable replacement and Santa Cruz would thrive on the service Ash would supply. It would be unrealistic to want money as well seen as Santa Cruz cost them a fortune only a year ago.
Milner is better than those two were at his age. He will be the most important player at his club over the next 5 years, whichever club he is at. I can't envisage any possible situation for Villa where selling Milner this summer is a better option than keeping.
What would it cost Man City to buy a 25 year old Lampard or Gerrard in this current market?
At 25 he was better than Gerrard...
are you sure about that one....
you mean 5 years ago when Gerrard pretty much single handedly won them the Champions league....
Milner is a very good player, model pro.... but Steven Gerrard he isn't and never will be. This is from someone who hates the scouse diving bastard.
Gerrard was also voted the third best footballer in the world when he was Jimmy's age.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 20, 2010, 11:49:50 PM
Lampard was pretty tasty at 24/25 too.
That period covering Ranieri's final season (Finished 3rd -15 goals scored) and Mourinho's first (Finished Champions - 19 goals scored).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 20, 2010, 11:53:01 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
In today's Independent, they reported that sources from Citeh were not expecting to complete the deal until very late in the transfer window.
If this is true, it is worrying.
Tomorrow morning I shall book a last minute three month holiday to Siberia. Hopefully I can avoid the James Milner and Cesc Fabregas Transfer Sagas there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2010, 12:05:34 AM
The galling inevitability of it says tell em 60 million for the pair and get it over with, buy Bentley, a top drawer centre midfield player, a decent right back and 2 centre forwards, still be quids in and get on with our lives. Or let it drag all summer and buy Graham Dorrans for 15 million after 3 decent games in the prem for albion. Hmmmm... Martin, which will it be.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 21, 2010, 12:19:48 AM
Quote from: "Arsey"
Quote from: "Arsey"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Milners fantastic engine and attitude naturally endears him to the fans but in my opinion his ability is limited and often leaves gaps whilst running around like a headless chicken.
He is not in the frame of a top international midfielder like your Lampards and your Gerrards - not by a long stretch.
Ireland would be more than a capable replacement and Santa Cruz would thrive on the service Ash would supply. It would be unrealistic to want money as well seen as Santa Cruz cost them a fortune only a year ago.
Milner is better than those two were at his age. He will be the most important player at his club over the next 5 years, whichever club he is at. I can't envisage any possible situation for Villa where selling Milner this summer is a better option than keeping.
What would it cost Man City to buy a 25 year old Lampard or Gerrard in this current market?
At 25 he was better than Gerrard...
are you sure about that one....
you mean 5 years ago when Gerrard pretty much single handedly won them the Champions league....
Milner is a very good player, model pro.... but Steven Gerrard he isn't and never will be. This is from someone who hates the scouse diving bastard.
Gerrard was also voted the third best footballer in the world when he was Jimmy's age.
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Lampard was pretty tasty at 24/25 too.
That period covering Ranieri's final season (Finished 3rd -15 goals scored) and Mourinho's first (Finished Champions - 19 goals scored).
James Milner is 24. Check Lampard and Gerrard's records at the same age. They were both a year or two older when they made the breakthroughs you describe.
Milner has all of the attributes those two had at his age and more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 21, 2010, 12:25:04 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Sky are reporting that Milner will only decide his future after the World Cup. Sounds hopeful.
Why ?
That says to me, 'I want to focus totally on the World Cup thank you all the same'.
I, like many, would like a 'I want to stay at Villa Park and am sitting down with Martin O'Neill and Randy Lerner after the World Cup to discuss things - and I am only 2 years into a 4 year contract at Aston Villa'.
He's playing it by the Club's guidelines. He's also training with Capello, the best thing he could possibly say is what he said - I don't want to get involved now. It's for the Club to decide. He will sit down with the Club when he returns. Clever lad.
Some want sex on the first night. James is not that type of lad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2010, 01:16:20 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "Arsey"
Quote from: "Arsey"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Milners fantastic engine and attitude naturally endears him to the fans but in my opinion his ability is limited and often leaves gaps whilst running around like a headless chicken.
He is not in the frame of a top international midfielder like your Lampards and your Gerrards - not by a long stretch.
Ireland would be more than a capable replacement and Santa Cruz would thrive on the service Ash would supply. It would be unrealistic to want money as well seen as Santa Cruz cost them a fortune only a year ago.
Milner is better than those two were at his age. He will be the most important player at his club over the next 5 years, whichever club he is at. I can't envisage any possible situation for Villa where selling Milner this summer is a better option than keeping.
What would it cost Man City to buy a 25 year old Lampard or Gerrard in this current market?
At 25 he was better than Gerrard...
are you sure about that one....
you mean 5 years ago when Gerrard pretty much single handedly won them the Champions league....
Milner is a very good player, model pro.... but Steven Gerrard he isn't and never will be. This is from someone who hates the scouse diving bastard.
Gerrard was also voted the third best footballer in the world when he was Jimmy's age.
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Lampard was pretty tasty at 24/25 too.
That period covering Ranieri's final season (Finished 3rd -15 goals scored) and Mourinho's first (Finished Champions - 19 goals scored).
James Milner is 24. Check Lampard and Gerrard's records at the same age. They were both a year or two older when they made the breakthroughs you describe.
Milner has all of the attributes those two had at his age and more.
How old do you think Steven Gerrard is, VD? Because it might surprise you to learn that he is 29. 5 years ago he was part of a Liverpool side that finished 3rd and won the FA Cup. He bagged 23 goals that year.
The season before that he bagged 13 goals in their EC winning season. He has been pretty much the focal point of that side since 2000/01, the year they won the LC, FA Cup and UEFA. And an England regular dating back to that time.
Lampard has been the focal point of that Chelsea side since 2002. A Chelsea side regularly in the hunt for major trophies and consistent CL qualifiers. He was tipped to be one of the first casualties of the Abramovich era when Roman pitched up and started throwing money about in 2003. Yet the challenge of better players coming in brought his game on further, to the point that since then he cemented an England place and regularly finishes a season with a goal return that a forward would be proud of.
I'd be interested to know what is the basis for your assertion that Milner is better than both at the same age, as the stats and basic common sense don't back that up. It sounds bollocks to me, but with the illuminating explanation you're about to give I'm sure it will all become clear.
What criteria are you using for that conclusion?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on May 21, 2010, 01:49:58 AM
I don't want to get all "He isn't that good" churlish because he is, but he isn't THAT good. To say Milner would be the most important player for any team in the world for the next five years is ridiculous - more important than Rooney, Torres or Ronaldo? To put it into perspective, would Milner get in the all-time best Villa XI of anyone over the age of 30? I don't think so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 21, 2010, 01:58:06 AM
I think he has the potential to be very good for us, perhaps even our low-rent version of Lampard or Gerrard (but not as good, obv).
Carrick has held down a place in that United side for a number of years, ditto Fletcher. I think Milner could at the very least better those -if he hasn't already.
A very good player, with the drive and determination to get better. But not an elite player for mine.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 21, 2010, 02:54:31 AM
Given our level of coaching, I don't think we've seen the very best of Milner, irrespective of his age. Had he been at one of the Top 4, I feel he'd be even better than he is already.
As has been said already, he's the kind of player we can build a team around for a long time. We must keep him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 21, 2010, 03:14:25 AM
I think that if we were to sell Milner MoN would be under pressure to make a "bums on seats" signing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Gerrin on May 21, 2010, 06:18:53 AM
If we cannot keep milner we have absolutely no hope of ever keeping any players or building a team over a number of years. It seems all it takes is for a player to have one excellent season and they're off, we seem to be getting used as a stepping stone to greater things.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Claret trim on May 21, 2010, 06:31:36 AM
I see this morning that Citeh are simulataneously upping the ante (by threatening to go after Young too) and setting limits (fixing £30m as the price). Cute.
£35m, no less Martin.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on May 21, 2010, 07:13:47 AM
Citeh will offer him twice the amount he gets at Villa, money talks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 21, 2010, 07:19:55 AM
With all this talk of it dragging on, and Villa waiting until after the World Cup until we discuss a new contract with him, I'm surprised Capello hasn't said told Jimmy to get it sorted out before then so that he isn't distracted at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 07:20:27 AM
What a bunch of assholes and they used to be such an inoffensive club. 'Bluemoon, leave our players alone....'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citizenDJ on May 21, 2010, 07:34:01 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I don't want to get all "He isn't that good" churlish because he is, but he isn't THAT good. To say Milner would be the most important player for any team in the world for the next five years is ridiculous - more important than Rooney, Torres or Ronaldo? To put it into perspective, would Milner get in the all-time best Villa XI of anyone over the age of 30? I don't think so.
I agree with this, and have said as much before. I think Milner is a really good player, but to hear him described as being as good as, or better, than the likes of Gerrard or Lampard is really over-egging the pudding! If anyone bids £25-30 million for him, then I would really think very hard about taking it.
Anyway, I preferred him when he played out wide.......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Arsey on May 21, 2010, 07:47:39 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "Arsey"
Quote from: "Arsey"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "MadJohnnyC"
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Santa Cruz has been a flop and Ireland's a bling merchant and slightly mad - great swop..?
Milners fantastic engine and attitude naturally endears him to the fans but in my opinion his ability is limited and often leaves gaps whilst running around like a headless chicken.
He is not in the frame of a top international midfielder like your Lampards and your Gerrards - not by a long stretch.
Ireland would be more than a capable replacement and Santa Cruz would thrive on the service Ash would supply. It would be unrealistic to want money as well seen as Santa Cruz cost them a fortune only a year ago.
Milner is better than those two were at his age. He will be the most important player at his club over the next 5 years, whichever club he is at. I can't envisage any possible situation for Villa where selling Milner this summer is a better option than keeping.
What would it cost Man City to buy a 25 year old Lampard or Gerrard in this current market?
At 25 he was better than Gerrard...
are you sure about that one....
you mean 5 years ago when Gerrard pretty much single handedly won them the Champions league....
Milner is a very good player, model pro.... but Steven Gerrard he isn't and never will be. This is from someone who hates the scouse diving bastard.
Gerrard was also voted the third best footballer in the world when he was Jimmy's age.
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Lampard was pretty tasty at 24/25 too.
That period covering Ranieri's final season (Finished 3rd -15 goals scored) and Mourinho's first (Finished Champions - 19 goals scored).
James Milner is 24. Check Lampard and Gerrard's records at the same age. They were both a year or two older when they made the breakthroughs you describe.
Milner has all of the attributes those two had at his age and more.
Just because you post something doesn't make it true
Gerrard was, you guessed it, 24!!! when he won Liverpool the CL. He had already been their most important player for a number of seasons.
Remember that night in Germany, 5-1 - Gerrard was incredible, he was 21!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 21, 2010, 07:49:51 AM
Man City can play hard ball as much as they like. For all the criticisms I've aimed at MON his transfer dealings do not fall into that.
He proved with Liverpool a couple of seasons ago that he sells on his terms and his terms alone. If they did, and i doubt they have, come up with an aggressive policy of trying to dangle a carrot in front of his nose and saying, 'take it now or lose it', he'll just shrug his shoulders and tell them where to go.
Milner is good. Clearly, but I still don't think he's suited to the central midfield role as much as the Des Bremner role. If man City think otherwise, and want to give us 30 odd million then, yes, i'd be a reluctant, but very happy, seller.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 21, 2010, 07:57:39 AM
Quote from: "Percy"
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Doyle? A striker that doesn't score enough?
Heskey already fills that role for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 21, 2010, 08:00:19 AM
Milner is a top player, if you watch him in games he looks a class above playing for villa.
That's why he has looked so good playing with better players at enlgand.
If milner does go I hop it's to man u or Chelsea, as he will become one of the beat players there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 21, 2010, 08:02:49 AM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "Percy"
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Doyle? A striker that doesn't score enough?
Heskey already fills that role for us.
at wolves! At villa he would score 10-15 goals and can actually hold the ball up well, unlike the donkey we have now who needs a tripod to stay on his feet!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 21, 2010, 08:19:49 AM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "Percy"
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Doyle? A striker that doesn't score enough?
Heskey already fills that role for us.
at wolves! At villa he would score 10-15 goals and can actually hold the ball up well, unlike the donkey we have now who needs a tripod to stay on his feet!
Heskey didn't score at Wigan!
Guess what? He still doesn't score at Villa!
We need a goal scorer, not any other type of striker.
I couldn't give a fuck how well someone holds the ball up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 08:29:55 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Milner is good. Clearly, but I still don't think he's suited to the central midfield role as much as the Des Bremner role. If man City think otherwise, and want to give us 30 odd million then, yes, i'd be a reluctant, but very happy, seller.
And what would you do with the £30 million ?
Would you trust MON with £30 million ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 21, 2010, 08:31:11 AM
I shudder at the thought that Milner is int he same league as guys that have scored 20 plus goals a season for the last 5-6 years. The difference with them is that they time runs to get beyond the forward to perfection, and have had the knack for years. Milner works hard, runs a lot, passes ok (he had some very dodgy games at the end of the season that were skimmed over as tiredness) and can score a few goals, but he is not it their class IMO. If I am proved wrong, I hope it is for Chelsea and not Man City mind.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 21, 2010, 08:31:46 AM
I wouldn't trust MON to spend £30m.
Maybe we could ask Wenger or Redknapp to spend it for us?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on May 21, 2010, 08:31:57 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "Percy"
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Doyle? A striker that doesn't score enough?
Heskey already fills that role for us.
at wolves! At villa he would score 10-15 goals and can actually hold the ball up well, unlike the donkey we have now who needs a tripod to stay on his feet!
Heskey didn't score at Wigan!
Guess what? He still doesn't score at Villa!
We need a goal scorer, not any other type of striker.
I couldn't give a fuck how well someone holds the ball up.
I now what you're saying Paul, but other than Bent and maybe Torres, Lineker type poachers are rare nowadays. The majority of strikers are taught to hold the ball up. Even Gabby has started to do it now to an extent. Fonz is possibly the closest we have to a goal poacher.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on May 21, 2010, 08:33:04 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I wouldn't trust MON to spend £30m.
If MON had'nt bought Milner, we would'nt be in a position to recieve £30m for him to spend.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dominic22 on May 21, 2010, 08:33:37 AM
I think we find ourselves in a difficult position. Manchester City have unlimited funds and once they have a determination to get someone then there seems to be an inevitable feeling about it.
You would imagine that they have planned this for a while and have no doubt got encouraging signs from James side that he would be interested. There is no doubt that if they continue that Man City will be a league winning side as they can not only pay huge transfer fees but pay massive wages. We had a wage bill of £70 million in the last accounts, with a top salary of a reported £65K per week. Do we suddenly offer James £100K per week or more and put at risk stability in the club. Man city un-balance the market as turnover means nothing just as it did for Chelsea. If as the situation seems, they are determined, and he wants to move, get as much money as we can and move on. He is a good player and rightly our player of the season, has a great attitude etc but he can be replaced. There are 2 years left on his contract and we will not match Man City's wages and why should we. We probably cannot match there success in the next few years either but who will be able to. I would still take Randy and the General over there owners any-day.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 08:39:20 AM
Reading Football365 today, I'd say he's off.
Failure to comit to a club ( US) is usually a precurser to an exit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 08:40:11 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "Percy"
I'd swap him for Ireland, Richards, and Hart.
Then buy Bentley and Doyle and sell all the rejects. We'd be a better team IMO.
Doyle? A striker that doesn't score enough?
Heskey already fills that role for us.
at wolves! At villa he would score 10-15 goals and can actually hold the ball up well, unlike the donkey we have now who needs a tripod to stay on his feet!
Heskey didn't score at Wigan!
Guess what? He still doesn't score at Villa!
We need a goal scorer, not any other type of striker.
I couldn't give a fuck how well someone holds the ball up.
But the players who play with him do. If your forwards can't hold the ball up then you cannot build any pressure and the ball just keeps coming back at you. Clearly we need to score more goals but we still need to be able to retain the ball in the opposition half.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 21, 2010, 08:40:31 AM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I wouldn't trust MON to spend £30m.
If MON had'nt bought Milner, we would'nt be in a position to recieve £30m for him to spend.
I just think he's wasted far too much and hardly any of his signings have excited me. Far to boring and predictable.
Can see Zamora or Carlton Cole coming in the summer. Typical MON.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 21, 2010, 08:41:05 AM
Well the vultures really are circling, Jimmy and Ash looked to have been targeted. This is really depressing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 21, 2010, 08:42:40 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Quote from: "peter w"
Milner is good. Clearly, but I still don't think he's suited to the central midfield role as much as the Des Bremner role. If man City think otherwise, and want to give us 30 odd million then, yes, i'd be a reluctant, but very happy, seller.
And what would you do with the £30 million ?
Would you trust MON with £30 million ?
Yes. No reason not to. He spent that sort of money on Ash, Milner, Collins and Dunne so why not?
What would I do with it? Spend it on some players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 08:42:50 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Quote from: "peter w"
Milner is good. Clearly, but I still don't think he's suited to the central midfield role as much as the Des Bremner role. If man City think otherwise, and want to give us 30 odd million then, yes, i'd be a reluctant, but very happy, seller.
And what would you do with the £30 million ?
Would you trust MON with £30 million ?
Of course, he spent that amount last summer pretty well didn't he?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on May 21, 2010, 08:43:06 AM
I saw Jimmy's interview on the telly this morning. I must say, I'm a pissed off with him after seeing it.
he made no committment to Villa, and came out with the usual bollox of 'Just concentrating on England'.
I think he is very much thinking about moving on, and reckon its inevitable now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 08:50:41 AM
Lets just hope he has a great World Cup so we can really up the ante.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nick harper on May 21, 2010, 08:52:20 AM
We've all seen the scenario before - he will go but it needs to be absolutely under our terms. No deal before the World Cup because if he has a cracker (a la David Platt in 1990) his value will go into the stratosphere (which is why Man City want the deal done quickly).
I trust Mon and Randy to do what's best for the club. Unfortunately I think it will mean sitting tight and putting up with the crap in the press for the next couple of months.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namlod on May 21, 2010, 08:52:35 AM
I saw Jimmy's interview on the telly this morning. I must say, I'm a pissed off with him after seeing it.
I find it hilarious how soooooo many people earlier on were blasting out how Jimmy had far too much integrity, dedication and loved Villa too much too leave..... Now that he has not dismissed the idea of moving next season you are all pissed off with him, he is now an average player and I’m sure some of you will be asking for his head in the next day or two .....FICKEL oh how fun this time of year is.[/quote][/i]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 21, 2010, 08:54:22 AM
Oh dear - quoting with italics - where have I seen that before...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: *shellac* on May 21, 2010, 08:55:57 AM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Well the vultures really are circling, Jimmy and Ash looked to have been targeted. This is really depressing.
They might as well buy the whole fucking team.
Nowadays, I really hate football.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 21, 2010, 08:56:07 AM
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Oh dear - quoting with italics - where have I seen that before...
He'll be talking about Jermaine Beckford next.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 21, 2010, 08:56:18 AM
Weird as its is, his performance at the world cup isnt going to make any real difference. Cause its man citey, they will always be able to offer more and pay him more than anyone else therefore pricing clubs out the running. All this is utterly depressing but ive accepted that he WILL be off!! 25million and a player and its done (most likely ireland) as for ashley young, if they bid for him too i really will switch off from all sources of media and news until august as i cant be doing with this bollocks all summer.
No player is bigger than our club and at the end of the day we will move on. Ideally man citey rot in the depths of hell though
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on May 21, 2010, 08:56:44 AM
Quote from: "Namlod"
I saw Jimmy's interview on the telly this morning. I must say, I'm a pissed off with him after seeing it.
I find it hilarious how soooooo many people earlier on were blasting out how Jimmy had far too much integrity, dedication and loved Villa too much too leave..... Now that he has not dismissed the idea of moving next season you are all pissed off with him, he is now an average player and I’m sure some of you will be asking for his head in the next day or two .....FICKEL oh how fun this time of year is.
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Selective quoting or what ?? Quote me where I have said the bolded stuff I'll bet you can't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 21, 2010, 08:57:42 AM
[/quote] [/i] [/quote] [/i]
arrgghh!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on May 21, 2010, 08:58:16 AM
This is the cost for us of Man City not getting that fourth spot and the possibility of Champions League. If they had finished fourth I suspect they may have been looking at even better players than Milner. I feel regret for almost cheering on Spurs in the race between them now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 09:01:55 AM
Its the cost of us not getting 4th. food for thought for all those who want to give the manager seemingly unlimited time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VinnieChase84 on May 21, 2010, 09:02:48 AM
Quote
I saw Jimmy's interview on the telly this morning. I must say, I'm a pissed off with him after seeing it.
I find it hilarious how soooooo many people earlier on were blasting out how Jimmy had far too much integrity, dedication and loved Villa too much too leave..... Now that he has not dismissed the idea of moving next season you are all pissed off with him, he is now an average player and I’m sure some of you will be asking for his head in the next day or two .....FICKEL oh how fun this time of year is.
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Its like a new guy who is acting like jimmy big balls starting at your wifes workplace. Your wife is hot so you know jimmy big balls will be looking at her, how could he not, you have a really hot wife! Still though, you start to suspect something may be going on with them two so you confront her about it. Can you imagine if she responded by saying she has enjoyed fucking you for the last 3years but cant say if she will be sleeping with you come september!? Doesnt make the situation any nicer does it!
As patrick bateman would say "there is a bathtub in hells kitchen waiting for her"
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Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 09:04:36 AM
Oh the Patrick Bateman quotes .... you can't beat them :-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 21, 2010, 09:18:55 AM
we didnt get fourth. Our "manager" that everyone is whinging at has trebled a players value that he got some stick for last year on these pages. Here is my question. Would you rather have Lerner in charge, that cant compete with telephone number prices for players, but obviously has a long term plan, or trade him for City's billions. They, who will be able to buy success eventually.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 21, 2010, 09:20:32 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Lets just hope he has a great World Cup so we can really up the ante.
thats why shitty want him now... fookers
Milner knew of Shittys interest ages ago, the feeling I got at the time when I heard didnt feel good..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 21, 2010, 09:24:05 AM
Milner will go, this is looking more likely every day. Money talks at the end of the day, who would of thought that Toure and Adebayor would've left Arsenal to join them last season??
All we can hope for in the long run is a situation like Spurs, they've had to sell their best players over the years but in the end they've still achieved the holy grail........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 09:24:45 AM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
we didnt get fourth. Our "manager" that everyone is whinging at has trebled a players value that he got some stick for last year on these pages. Here is my question. Would you rather have Lerner in charge, that cant compete with telephone number prices for players, but obviously has a long term plan, or trade him for City's billions. They, who will be able to buy success eventually.
I don't think lerner has a clue personally or a long term plan much more than "pray"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 21, 2010, 09:28:48 AM
I must be one of very few people on here who can't get that worked up about all this. Is that because I have seen it all before? Because Milner isn't all that, having had one good season and a number of very good games within that season but also some poor ones? Because of the stupidity of anyone thinking he is worth circa £30m? Because he won't actually improve much on what Man City currently have? Because Man Utd will come in and trump the deal at the last moment anyway? Because I am fed up with football and the inevitability of all of this? Probably a mix of all those things...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 21, 2010, 09:29:41 AM
Glad its him in charge and not you then. And for all the nay-sayers out there, I saw the Milner interview, and I was impressed. I thought it showed him professionally. He is on the fringes of the squad and not on the sheet yet, and thats what he is concentrating on. Lord preserve us from footballers who want to get better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
we didnt get fourth. Our "manager" that everyone is whinging at has trebled a players value that he got some stick for last year on these pages. Here is my question. Would you rather have Lerner in charge, that cant compete with telephone number prices for players, but obviously has a long term plan, or trade him for City's billions. They, who will be able to buy success eventually.
I don't think lerner has a clue personally or a long term plan much more than "pray"
I think it is very hard to have a long term plan when the dynamics are changing so quickly.
Re. MON tripling Milner's value - I haven't seen £36 million mentioned anywhere ( accept maybe by us lot !).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 21, 2010, 09:30:37 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
we didnt get fourth. Our "manager" that everyone is whinging at has trebled a players value that he got some stick for last year on these pages. Here is my question. Would you rather have Lerner in charge, that cant compete with telephone number prices for players, but obviously has a long term plan, or trade him for City's billions. They, who will be able to buy success eventually.
I don't think lerner has a clue personally or a long term plan much more than "pray"
I don't think it's fair to criticise Mr Lerner. He is probably more annoyed than anybody, he's doing things the right way but let's remember at the end of the day 90% of footballers are mercenaries.
Nobody can compete with City......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 21, 2010, 09:31:06 AM
we could have finished 4th and kept the lad, If only we had had a substitute bench... and not wasted money.
Most players move for money but they will say trophies to keep at peace with the fans etc. eg Barry JM could not say Im moving for trophies if we had finished 4th and then moved to that blue moon plie of shite. Money talks Im afraid..
well thats football today.. I mourn for those pre Sky days again most times..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Taylor on May 21, 2010, 09:33:20 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Its the cost of us not getting 4th. food for thought for all those who want to give the manager seemingly unlimited time.
Are you the new Doctor? Is 4 years now unlimited time?
There are 3 possible domestic trophies that clubs can win in England. Chelsea and Man Utd won all of them. We came second in one and 3/4th in another. Get a grip.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 09:34:29 AM
In an ideal world, there would be a transfer money cap ( per transfer window) and a wage cap.
But we don't live in an ideal world.
I really do wish I could trust in our manager to handle £25 plus million properly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 09:35:59 AM
Quote from: "Taylor"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Its the cost of us not getting 4th. food for thought for all those who want to give the manager seemingly unlimited time.
Are you the new Doctor? Is 4 years now unlimited time?
There are 3 possible domestic trophies that clubs can win in England. Chelsea and Man Utd won all of them. We came second in one and 3/4th in another. Get a grip.
Welcome on board Ian.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 09:37:53 AM
Well if he has a cunning plan its obviously very very long term. Maybe he's borrowed Doug's opposition will go bankrupt by 2000 "Phoenix from the flames" millenium plan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 21, 2010, 09:42:27 AM
sorry about the maths. I guess I heard the Chelski 30million bid touted this morning, and thought City could probably afford another bid then. No wonder it cost so much to fill my petrol tank at the moment. Some dick told me it was because of the "Dollar to sterling" exchange rate. Infact its just so they could afford Che Milner
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ktvillan on May 21, 2010, 09:48:52 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Its the cost of us not getting 4th. food for thought for all those who want to give the manager seemingly unlimited time.
I think you have a point here. The problem with building over time is that your better players are always likely to get plundered and even if you then sign the next James Milner you have to bed them in and bring them on a bit, which perhaps takes you backwards a little. And if you don't achieve in the time it takes to develop them into top level players, they will be targeted too.
Even being in the CL might not help - look at Arsenal, who have been plundered for a few players (whatever happened to Flamini?) and Fabregas might be next. This might have something to do with Wenger's preference for developing younger players over time rather than buying a team in, and, as a result, not having won anything for a few seasons.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2010, 10:01:05 AM
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Even being in the CL might not help - look at Arsenal, who have been plundered for a few players (whatever happened to Flamini?) and Fabregas might be next. This might have something to do with Wenger's preference for developing younger players over time rather than buying a team in, and, as a result, not having won anything for a few seasons.
Currently at Milan but practically never gets a game.
Good player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 10:02:51 AM
Yep. if you don't fullfill your potential your best players will move on to clubs that will. i think we've even passed the old "Ferguson was nearly sacked too early" failsafe now. We re officially more patient than them. hooray!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 21, 2010, 10:02:53 AM
No doubt he'll be linked with Spurs.
Triffic triffic player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on May 21, 2010, 10:12:00 AM
In this day and age, if Milner and Ash want to leave, all we can do is hang out for as much money as we can and move them on. Surely we have learned from the Barry debacle that money wins every time, sad but so true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on May 21, 2010, 10:15:44 AM
You have to bear in mind if we do lose them both we will have £55m plus what ever his summer budget is to replace so its not time to panic. Lets assume we have 20m to spend in the summer, we would then have £75m to go out and invest in 7 real quality players. we have £75m to spend and the current squad (minus Young and Milner)
GK – Friedel Guzan DR – Young Beye DL – Warnock Shorey DC – Dunne Davies DC – Cuellar Collins MR – Albrighton ML – Downing MC – Petrov R-Coker MC – Delph Sidwell SC – Gabby Delfouneso SC – Carew Heskey
Now we assume Heskey, Sidwell, R-Coker, Davies, Shorey, Beye and Young are all being let go for right price, say combined £25m. We will have £100m to get in10 players, could be an EXTREMELY busy summer in the market for MON. Not happy with the thought of paying £15m for Carlton Cole, nor taking Jenas in any deal for Young.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on May 21, 2010, 10:23:51 AM
Quote from: "richard moore"
I must be one of very few people on here who can't get that worked up about all this. Is that because I have seen it all before? Because Milner isn't all that, having had one good season and a number of very good games within that season but also some poor ones? Because of the stupidity of anyone thinking he is worth circa £30m? Because he won't actually improve much on what Man City currently have? Because Man Utd will come in and trump the deal at the last moment anyway? Because I am fed up with football and the inevitability of all of this? Probably a mix of all those things...
I agree Richard, with more or less everything there.
I cant help but think that since Capello's quotes about him being England's next big thing or whatever, he became the media's darling and was built up to more than what he is.
Dont get me wrong, he had a brilliant season, but it is crazy that on the back of that he is suddenly worth 30 million. If that's the case what is Fabregas worth??
Somebody mentioned a deal of 20 million and Stephen Ireland...I think we would be mugging City if that was pulled off. Ireland didnt feature much this year because of injury and then he didnt fit in Mancini's system. The season before he should have been young player of the year, but somehow Ashley got it, and it could be argued that he had a better season that year than Milner had this year.
If we had Ireland and then 20 million extra to spend on 1 or 2 strikers and one more creative midfielder, I genuinely think we would be better off.
But: 1. I dont think City would give us that deal. 2. I dont think Ireland would come to Villa, has his sights set on a move to Man Utd. 3. I dont think I could bring myself to cheer the little prick.
Also, on Milner's quotes...he is obviously trying to be as non-committal to anything at this time. Maybe Capello told him not to say whether he is staying or going. Or maybe he is happy enough to keep the story bubbling so he can use it as leverage in contract negotiations. The worst thing would be if he had said that he was going to stay, then in a couple of months time an offer comes in we cant refuse and MON and Randy tell him they are going to accept it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2010, 10:25:25 AM
There's not much point over-analysing what footballers say, particularly when it is as ambiguous as that.
They get put in a position where they have to say "something" and, not having Paxmanesque skills, will say what they think sounds right.
What really matters is what happens when crunch comes to crunch, and he has to make a decision as to what he wants.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on May 21, 2010, 10:26:08 AM
If we get silly money we'd be silly not to accept it.
If we get Gudjonssen (sp?) instead of Heskey and Bentley/Ireland in as well then we'll be ok.
I'm resigned to us not finishing above 6th for the foreseeable future, I'm resigned to football becoming more and more money-orientated as time goes on.
We were promising in the Cups last year and fingers crossed we'll go one better in the Carling Cup and two better in the FA Cup next year. I'm switched off to the League when in reality all we're doing is battling for maybe at a push getting 4th; I'll bet Milner feels the same way. We've been 6th for the last 3 years, do we really think we'll go higher?
Players want to play against the best and they go to the Champions League to do it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on May 21, 2010, 10:27:26 AM
I agree entirely Paulie...especially in Milner's case, when he is not used to being under such intense transfer speculation while preparing for his first World Cup. I think he was just trying to say something and nothing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pestria on May 21, 2010, 10:27:46 AM
I can't understand why ManC want them.
Sure Milner, Young and Barry are all good players, but they're not going to guarantee you champions league football, let alone win the premiership. they probably wouldn't even be automatic choices in the Spurs midfield that beat City a few weeks ago.
If money is no object to city why aren't they after 'elite' players?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namlod on May 21, 2010, 10:28:45 AM
Quote
Selective quoting or what ?? Quote me where I have said the bolded stuff I'll bet you can't.
Chill out Andy! I never said I was quoting you.
I merely pointed out that the opinions on this thread have change from
He won't go he's too level headed ...... to if he does go how much do we want .......to I'm pissed off with him now as he's going.
He is irreplaceable and can't leave..........to Stephen Ireland would be a good replacement........to he was good but not that good.
(Remember, this are opinions and not direct quotes)
I find it amusing to read the change and differences in opinions but this is a Fans Forum and everyone is entitled to air their view.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on May 21, 2010, 10:29:34 AM
I think they want solid PL players that will get them into 4th. Once they get there they will go after Europe's elite to make of CL. No point bringing those players in for awway days at Stoke just yet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 10:29:49 AM
Quote from: "pestria"
I can't understand why ManC want them.
Sure Milner, Young and Barry are all good players, but they're not going to guarantee you champions league football, let alone win the premiership. they probably wouldn't even be automatic choices in the Spurs midfield that beat City a few weeks ago.
If money is no object to city why aren't they after 'elite' players?
because they can't attract them yet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 21, 2010, 10:32:34 AM
Quote from: "Drummond"
If we get silly money we'd be silly not to accept it.
If we get Gudjonssen (sp?) instead of Heskey and Bentley/Ireland in as well then we'll be ok.
I'm resigned to us not finishing above 6th for the foreseeable future, I'm resigned to football becoming more and more money-orientated as time goes on.
We were promising in the Cups last year and fingers crossed we'll go one better in the Carling Cup and two better in the FA Cup next year. I'm switched off to the League when in reality all we're doing is battling for maybe at a push getting 4th; I'll bet Milner feels the same way. We've been 6th for the last 3 years, do we really think we'll go higher?
Players want to play against the best and they go to the Champions League to do it.
Depressingly acurate Drummond
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 21, 2010, 10:36:04 AM
Quote from: "jonzy85"
I think they want solid PL players that will get them into 4th. Once they get there they will go after Europe's elite to make of CL. No point bringing those players in for awway days at Stoke just yet.
Yep, come rain or shine you know Milner will be up for a cold away day at Stoke or Bolton which you can't say about the likes of Adebayor and Robinho.
Man. City won't get the top world players until they make the champions league. Before then it's still hoovering up the best players at other prem clubs.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 21, 2010, 10:37:43 AM
Hypothetical question -
if we had the same squad without Millner and had 30 mill to spend, how many of us would want to splash the whole lot on Millner
not many of us, because he's good but not that good, he's certainly not worth 30 mill in my view,
he is more Des Bremmner than Gordon Cowans and although Desi was the unsung hero he would never be worth more than the real playmakers.
i would take the 30 mill, but share the same worries as a lot of others on here as to what we will spend it on
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pestria on May 21, 2010, 10:45:50 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "pestria"
I can't understand why ManC want them.
Sure Milner, Young and Barry are all good players, but they're not going to guarantee you champions league football, let alone win the premiership. they probably wouldn't even be automatic choices in the Spurs midfield that beat City a few weeks ago.
If money is no object to city why aren't they after 'elite' players?
because they can't attract them yet.
I know that's an issue, but look at the other way round.
Why would Milner et al want to go to City? I'm sure they will get into the CL at some point in the not too distant future, but why not cut out the uncertainty and go somewhere where it's guaranteed this year?
Unless it's the money....... which means City could attract even better players by splashing yet more cash - something of a contradiction I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pestria on May 21, 2010, 10:48:09 AM
Quote from: "jonzy85"
I think they want solid PL players that will get them into 4th. Once they get there they will go after Europe's elite to make of CL. No point bringing those players in for awway days at Stoke just yet.
'Solid' premiership players don't get you 4th. Surely we of all teams should know that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on May 21, 2010, 10:52:58 AM
Quote from: "pestria"
Quote from: "jonzy85"
I think they want solid PL players that will get them into 4th. Once they get there they will go after Europe's elite to make of CL. No point bringing those players in for awway days at Stoke just yet.
'Solid' premiership players don't get you 4th. Surely we of all teams should know that.
How many of "Europe's elite" did Spurs sign? They got there with the likes of Dawson, Huddlestone, Lennon, Defoe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: "john e"
Hypothetical question -
if we had the same squad without Millner and had 30 mill to spend, how many of us would want to splash the whole lot on Millner
not many of us, because he's good but not that good, he's certainly not worth 30 mill in my view,
he is more Des Bremmner than Gordon Cowans and although Desi was the unsung hero he would never be worth more than the real playmakers.
i would take the 30 mill, but share the same worries as a lot of others on here as to what we will spend it on
true, but no-one has come up with a convincing target or price to replace him. even those talking about p/x for the likes of Ireland have woefully underestimated the value of them. if we want 30m for milner you can bet citeh will put a 15m value at least on ireland. we could end up with someone slighlty less good than milner bought for slightly less money
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pestria on May 21, 2010, 10:55:20 AM
Quote from: "john e"
Hypothetical question -
if we had the same squad without Millner and had 30 mill to spend, how many of us would want to splash the whole lot on Millner
not many of us, because he's good but not that good, he's certainly not worth 30 mill in my view,
he is more Des Bremmner than Gordon Cowans and although Desi was the unsung hero he would never be worth more than the real playmakers.
i would take the 30 mill, but share the same worries as a lot of others on here as to what we will spend it on
I agree that at £30m we'd have the best of any deal.
In a perfect world world that money would be very useful in reshaping the whole of the midfield set up that would enable us to win some of those elusive home games and maybe improve our league position.
MON managed something similar with the defence last year, but I'm not so he'll be able to do a repeat job.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 21, 2010, 10:57:49 AM
We have a good side that needs tweaking to improve and it will naturally improve when the younger players get better. So sell the players we dont use or need and keep the ones we do (Milner included, especially), then add a few players that will improve us.
There's no reason why we cant challenge for honours next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pestria on May 21, 2010, 11:03:05 AM
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I think they want solid PL players that will get them into 4th. Once they get there they will go after Europe's elite to make of CL. No point bringing those players in for awway days at Stoke just yet.
'Solid' premiership players don't get you 4th. Surely we of all teams should know that.
How many of "Europe's elite" did Spurs sign? They got there with the likes of Dawson, Huddlestone, Lennon, Defoe.
Didn't say anything about Spurs or Europe's elite. I said you don't ge t4th with 'solid' players.
I was alluding to the fact that our team has been built on solid players and has not achieved 4th.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 11:07:17 AM
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I can't understand why ManC want them.
Sure Milner, Young and Barry are all good players, but they're not going to guarantee you champions league football, let alone win the premiership. they probably wouldn't even be automatic choices in the Spurs midfield that beat City a few weeks ago.
If money is no object to city why aren't they after 'elite' players?
because they can't attract them yet.
I know that's an issue, but look at the other way round.
Why would Milner et al want to go to City? I'm sure they will get into the CL at some point in the not too distant future, but why not cut out the uncertainty and go somewhere where it's guaranteed this year?
Unless it's the money....... which means City could attract even better players by splashing yet more cash - something of a contradiction I think.
Same attraction for milner as there was for Barry i'd say. more money and better chance of CL.
If you're an elite player you've already got the money/cl football
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 11:30:44 AM
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I think they want solid PL players that will get them into 4th. Once they get there they will go after Europe's elite to make of CL. No point bringing those players in for awway days at Stoke just yet.
'Solid' premiership players don't get you 4th. Surely we of all teams should know that.
How many of "Europe's elite" did Spurs sign? They got there with the likes of Dawson, Huddlestone, Lennon, Defoe.
Didn't say anything about Spurs or Europe's elite. I said you don't ge t4th with 'solid' players.
I was alluding to the fact that our team has been built on solid players and has not achieved 4th.
You don't get into the top 4 without a solid foundation, as Man City have just found out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 11:31:01 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
I don't think lerner has a clue personally or a long term plan much more than "pray"
Even for you, that's just blatantly ridiculous!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 21, 2010, 11:32:14 AM
I think 30m would be a good deal for us but it sends the wrong message out to our fans and any potential signings. It also let's team like City, Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal,Liverpool and Spurs that they can come and cherry pick from us any time they have the funds.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 21, 2010, 11:33:40 AM
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I think they want solid PL players that will get them into 4th. Once they get there they will go after Europe's elite to make of CL. No point bringing those players in for awway days at Stoke just yet.
'Solid' premiership players don't get you 4th. Surely we of all teams should know that.
How many of "Europe's elite" did Spurs sign? They got there with the likes of Dawson, Huddlestone, Lennon, Defoe.
Didn't say anything about Spurs or Europe's elite. I said you don't ge t4th with 'solid' players.
I was alluding to the fact that our team has been built on solid players and has not achieved 4th.
You don't get into the top 4 without a solid foundation, as Man City have just found out.
I'd call 5th place and unlimited funds a pretty solid foundation for next season though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on May 21, 2010, 11:35:22 AM
If he wants to go we will sell and just hope to get the best price possible and look to bring in a decent set of players. It does send the wrong signal out but we've been here before and will again. Milner is a good player but as good as everyone is making out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 11:42:14 AM
When the Negative Tendancy were on their MON out crusade a couple of months ago they were confident that we could attract a top class replacement. I take it that you all feel the same should Milner go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 11:52:13 AM
When it comes to Milner leaving, the immediate reaction is to say 'he shouldn't go' as he's our player, and a very good one at that, and pretty much universally acknowledged to me a model pro. But we need to ask what's best for Aston Villa, which should they offer well above his realistic value would be to sell.
Let me put it this way - which of the below is a better side:- Freidle Cuellar-Dunne-Collins-Warnock Downing-Petrov-Milner-Ash Gabby-Carew/Heskey or Freidle Richards-Dunne-Collins/Cuellar-Warnock Downing-Petrov-Ireland-Ash Gabby-New £15m Striker
I'd say the 2nd and that's before we start buying from our own funds.
I'm not saying I want him to go or trying to talk down his ability or contribution to Villa, but taking a step back this could be a good thing for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: London Villan on May 21, 2010, 11:53:27 AM
£20m with Ireland and Richards?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 21, 2010, 11:58:03 AM
Quote from: "London Villan"
£20m with Ireland and Richards?
£20M and just Ireland would be good enough for me. In fact, I'd love this deal as that £20m could get us, or go towards the marquee striker we need.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 21, 2010, 12:07:45 PM
JohnM, I agre. There is a lit of possibilities in the wayMON could handle this. Ireland and Richards would be great. I wouldn't turn my nose up at SWP and Bellamy as well. Santa Cruz, whose been mentioned on here, I'd have a good think about. One season wonder and a lazy arse. This could work out great for us if handled correctly but on the whole I want Jimmy to stay. Wages will always be an issue with these players though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 21, 2010, 12:07:52 PM
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£20m with Ireland and Richards?
£20M and just Ireland would be good enough for me. In fact, I'd love this deal as that £20m could get us, or go towards the marquee striker we need.
still think they should throw in Hart too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 12:13:31 PM
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£20m with Ireland and Richards?
£20M and just Ireland would be good enough for me. In fact, I'd love this deal as that £20m could get us, or go towards the marquee striker we need.
I think £20m + Ireland would be a good deal in reality, but the fact that this is Citeh and owing to the way they have tried to throw their money around of late, we should be looking for an outrageous deal. For me that would be £20m + two players that would go straight into our first team.
Ireland I think would be a great addition, he's not the same type of player as Milner but he is plenty good enough for us and if it means we play more with 3 centre midfielders even better. The second player for me would be Onuoha or maybe even Richards, I feel Onuoha is the better defender and more versatile to boot. Richards is the type of player that MON loves to re-invigorate, so I'd be intrigued if he did come. The bottom line is Milner is a good player and yes one we should try to keep, but if we are able to get a deal that good it makes perfect sense to me and life goes on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 21, 2010, 12:15:30 PM
I honestly can't see the big negative problem here. A player goes, albeit a good one, we get money and keep rebuilding until its right. I thought the balance of the team looked wrong last season, and although that's not Milner's fault sometimes it takes your best players going and others coming in to make things click. Maybe.
I'd prefer him to stay, but not more than I'd want £25m+ to be able to spend elsewhere. Plus Ashley young and we'd have a war chest of close to £40/50m plus whatever money Randy gives MON.
So let's say we offload some players - around 15m's worth - those two go for £45m or so - and randy gives us 15m to spend. Does anyone realistically think we cannot become a better team next season with the solid base that will be still there and around £75m to spend?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 21, 2010, 12:20:08 PM
Where have you been peter w?
Anyway, rest assured, once Milner goes in whatever shape of deal, just like Barry, he will instantly become shit and overrated.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jeff on May 21, 2010, 12:22:31 PM
Personally if they offered £20mil plus Ireland, Joe Hart or Richards i would snap there hand off. If we can get more than that then great.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 21, 2010, 12:24:32 PM
Your perhaps going a bit to far now John. Though, I can see what your saying.
If in selling Milner we recieve Richards, Ireland, Swp and some cash, then great.
If we were to sell Ashley, if anyone is interested at the moment? Then I'd still prefer players to come in as part ex.
75 mil in mon's pocket. Who the he'll would he buy? They'd have to be English for a start.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 21, 2010, 12:26:46 PM
Dont worry MON will sell Milner and replace with Charlie Adam ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 12:28:37 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
I honestly can't see the big negative problem here. A player goes, albeit a good one, we get money and keep rebuilding until its right. I thought the balance of the team looked wrong last season, and although that's not Milner's fault sometimes it takes your best players going and others coming in to make things click. Maybe.
I'd prefer him to stay, but not more than I'd want £25m+ to be able to spend elsewhere. Plus Ashley young and we'd have a war chest of close to £40/50m plus whatever money Randy gives MON.
So let's say we offload some players - around 15m's worth - those two go for £45m or so - and randy gives us 15m to spend. Does anyone realistically think we cannot become a better team next season with the solid base that will be still there and around £75m to spend?
I think the problem is that should thay all go we'd lose a lot of that solid base we've built up.
£75m is a lot to spend, but getting all the players we'd need and bedding them in would be a big task as we'd probably need to write off the beginning part of next season!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 21, 2010, 12:33:12 PM
Or maybe Jimmy Bullard in a 12million swoop.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 21, 2010, 12:33:20 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
I honestly can't see the big negative problem here. A player goes, albeit a good one, we get money and keep rebuilding until its right. I thought the balance of the team looked wrong last season, and although that's not Milner's fault sometimes it takes your best players going and others coming in to make things click. Maybe.
I'd prefer him to stay, but not more than I'd want £25m+ to be able to spend elsewhere. Plus Ashley young and we'd have a war chest of close to £40/50m plus whatever money Randy gives MON.
So let's say we offload some players - around 15m's worth - those two go for £45m or so - and randy gives us 15m to spend. Does anyone realistically think we cannot become a better team next season with the solid base that will be still there and around £75m to spend?
Please stop being positive.
We have a reputation to behold.
*smiley thing*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 21, 2010, 12:36:09 PM
Yes we'd lose in some respects but we could rebuild and get better. As i said, if the balance of the team is addressed then we should improve. Attacking wise we were found out last season and hence we drew too many games. Every now and then we'd put a performance in - usually for about 20 minutes in a game when we'd keep scoring, but other than that we looked laboured and very dour.
This for a supposed counter-attacking team with bags of pace and attacking prowess. I wouldn't mind tinkering and changing it a bit to find a better shape and have a more solid look to the midifled and see a team that looked like they can keep the ball when passing it around, and look like they can do it in areas where it hurts.
With the same starting 11 that started most games at the end of last season can you see that happening? Surgery is needed, not major, but if it means taking one step backwards to get a better looking Villa team then I don't mind Milner and Ash being casualties of that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 12:36:41 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
I honestly can't see the big negative problem here. A player goes, albeit a good one, we get money and keep rebuilding until its right. I thought the balance of the team looked wrong last season, and although that's not Milner's fault sometimes it takes your best players going and others coming in to make things click. Maybe.
I'd prefer him to stay, but not more than I'd want £25m+ to be able to spend elsewhere. Plus Ashley young and we'd have a war chest of close to £40/50m plus whatever money Randy gives MON.
So let's say we offload some players - around 15m's worth - those two go for £45m or so - and randy gives us 15m to spend. Does anyone realistically think we cannot become a better team next season with the solid base that will be still there and around £75m to spend?
Completely agree with your sentiment here Peter, but I feel if we are to sell Milner say to Citeh that getting good players in return will be more beneficial than cash alone. The reason for that is, one, when we go to spend that cash, any player we are interested in will be a large percentage more expensive than they would be normally. Two, I'm not sure how good MON would be with £45-75m to spend.
So say for instance we sold Milner to Citeh and got £15-20m + Ireland and Onuoha, and for arguments sake we let Ashley go to Spuds but got Bentley and Pavlyuchenko in return. We'd end up with four good players and £15-20m cash plus what ever we get for the summer clear out say another £15m. Then we can re-invest that £30m on another couple of very good players, DM and goalkeeper maybe?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 21, 2010, 12:39:28 PM
Don't get me wrong I'm just putting the cash amounts for the sake of argument. If we can get a couple of players in that go into positions that need strengthening then that is of course better. Two out of Richards/Bellamy/SWP/Ireland plus some cash is more than okay.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 21, 2010, 12:42:45 PM
BedsVillain - I agree.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 12:44:10 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Don't get me wrong I'm just putting the cash amounts for the sake of argument. If we can get a couple of players in that go into positions that need strengthening then that is of course better. Two out of Richards/Bellamy/SWP/Ireland plus some cash is more than okay.
No I understand where you were coming from mate. Milner and Ash are both very good players but they could also be replaced IMO, maybe not like for like but we could certainly reinvest if some idiot(s) is prepared to deal over the odds for the pair of them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 12:49:48 PM
Hypothetically, because they might not go anywhere, who could we get that would make as big a contribution as Milner and Young did last season?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on May 21, 2010, 12:50:02 PM
The difficulty I have with replacing them is the very limited field we operate in transfer wise.
I am sure there are players in the world who would improve us but as we will likely be limited to buying from the domestic market again they aren't going to be too easy to find.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 01:01:52 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Hypothetically, because they might not go anywhere, who could we get that would make as big a contribution as Milner and Young did last season?
I think Ireland would make a good contribution assists and goal wise given a consistent place in the team and I also think Bentley could as well. Now that's only my opinion and I'm basing names on the pool of players that MON is likely to fish in, but personally I think it's hard to gage in reality.
I do think that it's not a case of trying to replace like for like, again personally I'd prefer us to play in a different way, I don't like the two winger system we adopted for most of the season, I'd prefer a 3 man midfield. I'd also prefer to keep both Milner and Young, as you've said Hilts, stats wise they contributed a lot last season. But neither of them are Messi or Ronaldo. I guess I've become rather non-plussed about football in general of late, players come and go, but life and football goes on. If they both move on, so be it, I just want Aston Villa to get the best deal out of it as possible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Captain Trips on May 21, 2010, 01:03:35 PM
This sounds to me very much like the situation when Andy Gray left us. If the internet had been around then, this site would have been in meltdown. I am resigned to him going after reading what he said at the press conference yesterday. I would however look at other options than the unwanted Man City players. Lets take some of there better players. how about Adam Johnson, De Jong and 10-15m?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 01:03:42 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Hypothetically, because they might not go anywhere, who could we get that would make as big a contribution as Milner and Young did last season?
Without the goals and assists figures to hand, I think Ireland would give us the attacking element of Milner's game, if not the workrate. Along with Ash, Bentley was one of the best wingers outside the top 4 in 08/09, so as a regular starter we could get something similar output wise, but again he does have a habit of shirking his defensive duties, which we can't say of Young.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 01:09:12 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Hypothetically, because they might not go anywhere, who could we get that would make as big a contribution as Milner and Young did last season?
Without the goals and assists figures to hand, I think Ireland would give us the attacking element of Milner's game, if not the workrate. Along with Ash, Bentley was one of the best wingers outside the top 4 in 08/09, so as a regular starter we could get something similar output wise, but again he does have a habit of shirking his defensive duties, which we can't say of Young.
Great minds John, the same players that I mentioned. I do think however that we need to stop relying on our forward/attacking players doubling up as defenders so much. We don't play with attack minded defenders really do we, so if we invest in a specialist DM and leave our atatckers to attack we should be both solid at the back still and capable of scoring more goals than we did last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 21, 2010, 01:09:59 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
When the Negative Tendancy were on their MON out crusade a couple of months ago they were confident that we could attract a top class replacement. I take it that you all feel the same should Milner go.
Would this be the same 'negative tendancy' that appears when PRO MON posters insist that we'd get no better than Mark Hughes if he left?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 01:10:24 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
When the Negative Tendancy were on their MON out crusade a couple of months ago they were confident that we could attract a top class replacement. I take it that you all feel the same should Milner go.
in a similar vein , if Milner goes i take it you'll be retiring your "milner might go if MON goes " spin?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 01:12:12 PM
Quote from: "BedsVillain"
Great minds John, the same players that I mentioned. I do think however that we need to stop relying on our forward/attacking players doubling up as defenders so much. We don't play with attack minded defenders really do we, so if we invest in a specialist DM and leave our atatckers to attack we should be both solid at the back still and capable of scoring more goals than we did last season.
I'd agree in principal, but all managers want hard work from their players and Martin is no different. Even sides like Man Utd have a tremendously hardworking midfield. I don't mind them not being particularly good tacklers, etc., but I do mind them not at least trying to get back and help out!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 01:21:19 PM
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Great minds John, the same players that I mentioned. I do think however that we need to stop relying on our forward/attacking players doubling up as defenders so much. We don't play with attack minded defenders really do we, so if we invest in a specialist DM and leave our atatckers to attack we should be both solid at the back still and capable of scoring more goals than we did last season.
I'd agree in principal, but all managers want hard work from their players and Martin is no different. Even sides like Man Utd have a tremendously hardworking midfield. I don't mind them not being particularly good tacklers, etc., but I do mind them not at least trying to get back and help out!
Oh I agree John! I'd never want a Berbatov for example. But I think from what I've seen of the players we've mentioned we'd still get a decent work rate out of them, I know Pavlyuchenko is somewhat laid back in training from what I've heard, but I think he puts in a shift when playing. I just think maybe we've worked our players into the ground over the last couple of seasons, not just from non-rotation but from having to cover every blade etc etc... I also think maybe it's the reason we've not been scoring as much too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 01:35:41 PM
Were we to say to our better players "Don't worry about tracking back and just stay up the pitch" then I'm sure would score more, but would that be negated by letting more in at the other end? At the moment we defend as a team and everyone pulls their weight, so we would lose that if we adopted the different approach you are suggesting. Even saying signing a better striker to solve the goal scoring problem might have a similar effect, as whe playing both Carew and Heskey come back to help defend corners and set pieces.
The trick is as obvious as it sounds - score more without conceeding less, but this is much easier said than done. Our attempt to balance this last season probably saw us be too defensive/conservative, which does need to change. I think a lot of this goes back to the end of 08/09 where we were leaking goals for fun and I think Martin was determined to stop that.
I agree a more specialist holding player would give some more freedom to the attacking midfielders, so this is a key element for me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 01:43:04 PM
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When the Negative Tendancy were on their MON out crusade a couple of months ago they were confident that we could attract a top class replacement. I take it that you all feel the same should Milner go.
in a similar vein , if Milner goes i take it you'll be retiring your "milner might go if MON goes " spin?
Why don't you just try answering the question?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 21, 2010, 01:46:43 PM
Barry was still a bigger loss if/when Millner goes, you canot replace a player like barry for 12mill, and we still havent,
whereas if we do get in the region of 25-30 mill for Millner then he can be replaced a lot easier, Ireland for a start, what we need is better more creative midfielders,
we might have to pay over the odds to get one to VP, but it will be a price worth paying and Millners overprice will have helped,
there must be a few decent midfielders in Europe who would come if we have 20+ to spend
[i know MON thinks europe stops at Dover but i'm just speculating]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 01:49:02 PM
far easier to replace MON than Milner especially as Randy will no doubt look abroad
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 01:53:49 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
When the Negative Tendancy were on their MON out crusade a couple of months ago they were confident that we could attract a top class replacement. I take it that you all feel the same should Milner go.
in a similar vein , if Milner goes i take it you'll be retiring your "milner might go if MON goes " spin?
Why don't you just try answering the question?
What does Randy's ability to replace Martin have to do with Martin's ability to replace Milner and / or Young?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 01:54:08 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
far easier to replace MON than Milner especially as Randy will no doubt look abroad
Can't agree with that in the slightest Greg. Stability in management is far harder to replicate or replace, decent CM's are ten-a-penny. Plus MON has a knack of creating them from other positions.
I think it was far more important to keep MON this summer than it was any player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on May 21, 2010, 02:13:16 PM
Quote from: "BedsVillain"
Quote from: "gregnash"
far easier to replace MON than Milner especially as Randy will no doubt look abroad
Can't agree with that in the slightest Greg. Stability in management is far harder to replicate or replace, decent CM's are ten-a-penny. Plus MON has a knack of creating them from other positions.
I think it was far more important to keep MON this summer than it was any player.
Agreed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 02:15:20 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
When the Negative Tendancy were on their MON out crusade a couple of months ago they were confident that we could attract a top class replacement. I take it that you all feel the same should Milner go.
in a similar vein , if Milner goes i take it you'll be retiring your "milner might go if MON goes " spin?
Why don't you just try answering the question?
What does Randy's ability to replace Martin have to do with Martin's ability to replace Milner and / or Young?
The argument you and others put forward was nothing to do with personalities but that, because we're Aston Villa, we would be able to attract the best. I'm just trying to gauge whether that was a genuinely held view.
The reluctance to answer speaks volumes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 02:31:27 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
The argument you and others put forward was nothing to do with personalities but that, because we're Aston Villa, we would be able to attract the best. I'm just trying to gauge whether that was a genuinely held view.
The reluctance to answer speaks volumes.
The argument I put forward was that with the facilities, set-up, finances and squad there would be plenty of top quality managers prepared to consider managing the club. Not "because we're Aston Villa" but because of what we can offer potential managers.
The opposing argument was that despite all that no top quality manager would even consider coming to the club. Which doesn't make sense. And yet at the same time you appear to be arguing that it's no barrier to bringing in top quality new players. That doesn't make sense either.
I don't think there's anything about the club's set up in terms of facilities etc which would put off potential new players (or potential new managers) but that's a separate issue from O'Neill's ability to actually identify the right ones and bring them in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 21, 2010, 02:39:39 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
When the Negative Tendancy were on their MON out crusade a couple of months ago they were confident that we could attract a top class replacement. I take it that you all feel the same should Milner go.
in a similar vein , if Milner goes i take it you'll be retiring your "milner might go if MON goes " spin?
Why don't you just try answering the question?
What does Randy's ability to replace Martin have to do with Martin's ability to replace Milner and / or Young?
The argument you and others put forward was nothing to do with personalities but that, because we're Aston Villa, we would be able to attract the best. I'm just trying to gauge whether that was a genuinely held view.
The reluctance to answer speaks volumes.
erm, i answered a page back so the only thing it speaks volumes about is your piss poor observation skills
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on May 21, 2010, 02:43:50 PM
I look in my crystal ball and I see . . .
AY to Spurs: Bentley, Keene + 5m. JM to MC: Ireland, Richards + 10m. Also out: The usual suspects + Heskey 20m. Total: 35m. Also in: Beckford free, CM £10m, 2x good young 'uns (RB/LB cover?) £10m. Total saving: 15m, which we will keep for a rainy day.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on May 21, 2010, 02:44:29 PM
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 21, 2010, 02:44:41 PM
I don’t see Young going anywhere. There’s always been endless Spurs based speculation about Young.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 21, 2010, 02:45:05 PM
There's quite a difference between replacing Martin (a manager) and Milner (a player).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 21, 2010, 02:47:31 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
A reverse argument that somebody might propose is that your basis for that opinion is odd. If we consider that Lerner has never appointed a Villa manager and his only experience for managerial change appears to be several repeated failures at the Browns, while O’Neill actually bought Milner in the first instance.
I’d personally back both O’Neill to do a good job at replacing Milner and when the time comes, Lerner to do an equally good job on O’Neill’s replacement.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 02:47:52 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
The argument you and others put forward was nothing to do with personalities but that, because we're Aston Villa, we would be able to attract the best. I'm just trying to gauge whether that was a genuinely held view.
The reluctance to answer speaks volumes.
The argument I put forward was that with the facilities, set-up, finances and squad there would be plenty of top quality managers prepared to consider managing the club. Not "because we're Aston Villa" but because of what we can offer potential managers.
The opposing argument was that despite all that no top quality manager would even consider coming to the club. Which doesn't make sense. And yet at the same time you appear to be arguing that it's no barrier to bringing in top quality new players. That doesn't make sense either.
I don't think there's anything about the club's set up in terms of facilities etc which would put off potential new players (or potential new managers) but that's a separate issue from O'Neill's ability to actually identify the right ones and bring them in.
I attempted to convince you that Mourinho was not a realistic target but I'm not sure I had much success.
Do you see Xavi as a replacement for Milner?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 02:49:01 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
This makes perfect sense seeing as how Randy appointed O'Neill, but O'Neill didn't sign Milner.
Wait a minute.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on May 21, 2010, 02:53:29 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "Risso"
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
A reverse argument that somebody might propose is that your basis for that opinion is odd. If we consider that Lerner has never appointed a Villa manager and his only experience for managerial change appears to be several repeated failures at the Browns, while O’Neill actually bought Milner in the first instance.
I’d personally back both O’Neill to do a good job at replacing Milner and when the time comes, Lerner to do an equally good job on O’Neill’s replacement.
I don't see it as odd. I see it as another Villa fan whose faith has waned in our managers ability to progress our team/squad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 21, 2010, 02:54:53 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Risso"
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
This makes perfect sense seeing as how Randy appointed O'Neill, but O'Neill didn't sign Milner.
Wait a minute.....
Come on John, it is obvious Martin O'Neill could never sign anyone as good as James Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 03:02:20 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I attempted to convince you that Mourinho was not a realistic target but I'm not sure I had much success.
Do you see Xavi as a replacement for Milner?
Perhaps you could point me to the post where I said Mourinho was a realistic target?
As you know, what I actually said was that getting Mourinho was a very remote possibility but that we would lose nothing by simply asking the question, given what he had said about wanting to come back to England.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 21, 2010, 03:26:12 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I attempted to convince you that Mourinho was not a realistic target but I'm not sure I had much success.
Do you see Xavi as a replacement for Milner?
Perhaps you could point me to the post where I said Mourinho was a realistic target?
As you know, what I actually said was that getting Mourinho was a very remote possibility but that we would lose nothing by simply asking the question, given what he had said about wanting to come back to England.
So you'd be prepared to sack our existing manager under the remote possibility that Mourinho might come?
Have you really thought this through hilts?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 03:39:46 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
So you'd be prepared to sack our existing manager under the remote possibility that Mourinho might come?
Have you really thought this through hilts?
More than you have, clearly. All that would happen is that a discreet call is made to Mourinho's agent, asking the question. If the answer's no, as it probably would be, then that's the end of it.
If Martin's nose gets put out of joint at Randy making a tentative enquiry when arguably the best manager in world football says he wants to manage in England again, then so be it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on May 21, 2010, 03:41:26 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
Based on what??
Randy is notorious in the States for picking the wrong coahces (or whatever term is used) for the Cleveland Browns, or so I have been lead to believe by a NFL nut of a friend I have.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on May 21, 2010, 03:46:38 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
I'm confused.com
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on May 21, 2010, 03:46:56 PM
Quote from: "jonzy85"
Quote from: "Risso"
I'd back Randy's ability to replace O'Neill, over O'Neill's ability to replace Milner every day of the week.
Based on what??
Randy is notorious in the States for picking the wrong coahces (or whatever term is used) for the Cleveland Browns, or so I have been lead to believe by a NFL nut of a friend I have.
Whatever term is used, I doubt it's "coahces". Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 21, 2010, 03:49:10 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Bren_d"
So you'd be prepared to sack our existing manager under the remote possibility that Mourinho might come?
Have you really thought this through hilts?
More than you have, clearly. All that would happen is that a discreet call is made to Mourinho's agent, asking the question. If the answer's no, as it probably would be, then that's the end of it.
If Martin's nose gets put out of joint at Randy making a tentative enquiry when arguably the best manager in world football says he wants to manage in England again, then so be it.
Nose out of joint?
MON would walk, that's for certain and you couldn't blame him. But I suppose that in itself would be a result in the anti Mon camp....a managerless Villa would be a better bet than a Villa managed by MON in their world.
Fortunately for us Lerner I don't think would be as devious as you suggest he might be. He has a reciprocal trust with MON that is why MON is here for at least another season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 03:52:33 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Bren_d"
So you'd be prepared to sack our existing manager under the remote possibility that Mourinho might come?
Have you really thought this through hilts?
More than you have, clearly. All that would happen is that a discreet call is made to Mourinho's agent, asking the question. If the answer's no, as it probably would be, then that's the end of it.
If Martin's nose gets put out of joint at Randy making a tentative enquiry when arguably the best manager in world football says he wants to manage in England again, then so be it.
Whichever way you word it, I think it's reprehensible to offer someone else his job while he's still in the position. That's what Man City did with Mancini and were rightly vilified for it.
MON would have more than just his nose put out of joint by it, as would anyone else if it happened to them - including you!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 03:58:44 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Nose out of joint?
MON would walk, that's for certain and you couldn't blame him. But I suppose that in itself would be a result in the anti Mon camp....a managerless Villa would be a better bet than a Villa managed by MON in their world.
Fortunately for us Lerner I don't think would be as devious as you suggest he might be. He has a reciprocal trust with MON that is why MON is here for at least another season.
Devious has nothing to do with it. It's about doing the best thing for the club, not Martin.
If there's a possibility, however remote, that a manager of Mourinho's ability is available then Randy is well within his rights to make a discreet initial enquiry. He'd be failing in his duty to the club by not doing so. I have no doubt this happens at football clubs all the time.
If Martin chose to strop off at the thought of Randy trying to improve the club then we'd be better off without him. Personally, I think Martin is sensible enough to recognise it for what it would be - a very long shot that, if it came off, would improve the club immeasurably - and would understand Randy's reason for doing it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 04:04:44 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Whichever way you word it, I think it's reprehensible to offer someone else his job while he's still in the position. That's what Man City did with Mancini and were rightly vilified for it.
MON would have more than just his nose put out of joint by it, as would anyone else if it happened to them - including you!
It's not offering him the job is it though. It's making a very tentative enquiry about whether he would even consider the possibility. No more, no less.
If it was an enquiry made to someone like Ian Dowie then yes, I think Martin would be well within his rights to be mightily pissed off. But to the best manager around? I think that's a different story.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Willie Anderson on May 21, 2010, 04:09:33 PM
Quote from: "andyh"
I saw Jimmy's interview on the telly this morning. I must say, I'm a pissed off with him after seeing it.
he made no committment to Villa, and came out with the usual bollox of 'Just concentrating on England'.
I think he is very much thinking about moving on, and reckon its inevitable now.
Lerner has said they'll sit down after the world cup & negotiate a new contract for Jimmy to tie him to the club for the next few years.
Given that, I wouldn't expect Jimmy to weaken his bargaining position by stating he wants to stay at Villa.
Like any of us would he's keeping his options open & seeing what is offered.
I fully expect Jimmy to sign a new contract after the World Cup & be a Villa player next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 04:10:28 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "John M"
Whichever way you word it, I think it's reprehensible to offer someone else his job while he's still in the position. That's what Man City did with Mancini and were rightly vilified for it.
MON would have more than just his nose put out of joint by it, as would anyone else if it happened to them - including you!
It's not offering him the job is it though. It's making a very tentative enquiry about whether he would even consider the possibility. No more, no less.
If it was an enquiry made to someone like Ian Dowie then yes, I think Martin would be well within his rights to be mightily pissed off. But to the best manager around? I think that's a different story.
So you'd be asking purely for information purposes and carrying on with Martin regardless of what the answer was?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 21, 2010, 04:16:16 PM
I could sort of take your point if MON was failing in his job, but he isn't. Lerner recognises that. As unpalatable as it might seem to you under MON we have progressed again this season. It might not be at the pace you want but it's progress nevertheless and it gives him the right to take his plans and methods into the next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 04:17:39 PM
Quote from: "John M"
So you'd be asking purely for information purposes and carrying on with Martin regardless of what the answer was?
You'd be expecting the answer no and therefore expecting to carry on with Martin. The reason for asking the question is the very slight chance that you might get a yes.
I honestly don't see that Martin would have reason to throw his toys out of the pram if Randy made nothing more than a hopeful enquiry to one of the best managers, if not the best, around.
And I certainly don't believe Randy should pass up a chance such a this one, however slim it might be, for fear of upsetting Martin.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 04:20:33 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
I could sort of take your point if MON was failing in his job, but he isn't. Lerner recognises that. As unpalatable as it might seem to you under MON we have progressed again this season. It might not be at the pace you want but it's progress nevertheless and it gives him the right to take his plans and methods into the next season.
Fair play. And I would take your point if we were talking about a manager outside of the world's elite. But since it's Mourinho (in this example) I think it's a chance worth taking. And I think Martin would agree with that, personally.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 21, 2010, 04:20:34 PM
Hilts. Im probably not the best at my job, but I try my heart out at it, and even if i could concede that it could possibly be in my companys best interest to ask around to find a better person, if I found out, I would lose confidence in my company and start looking around. I think its a stupid and dangerous route to be talking about. Lose MON and you have a lot to worry about, principally keeping those top eleven players we love. The flip side of no rotations is that they know that their manager places them above anyone else in the squad or outside the squad to a certain extent. If (and IMO when) Milner signs on for longer it will be due principally to MON and what he has done for him. I find it hard to "value" a player as none of the prices seem to make sense or reason. I just think he is a cracking prospect and will potentially be a better player in a season or two, see Gerard or Lampard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 04:21:33 PM
I can just see it now:-
Randy: "Just so you know, Martin, we've rung Jose's agent to find out if he'd fancy your job or not!"
Martin: "Great idea - he's a really spendid manager and if there's a possibility of getting him in here we should do it if at all possible. What did he say?"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 21, 2010, 04:23:41 PM
I dont for one minute think that MON would "understand" or agree with it. And id lose a little bit of faith in him if he did. I want him to think he is the best at the job and uber confident. Jesus, thats what makes Arsene such a pain in the arse, and Mourhino and SAF. And I would think twice about coming to a club as Manager if i thought this could happen around me as well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 04:35:40 PM
Quote from: "John M"
I can just see it now:-
Randy: "Just so you know, Martin, we've rung Jose's agent to find out if he'd fancy your job or not!"
Martin: "Great idea - he's a really spendid manager and if there's a possibility of getting him in here we should do it if at all possible. What did he say?"
Martin: Just so you know, Randy, you cannot take any decisions which might upset me.
Randy: Yes boss.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 04:40:25 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "John M"
I can just see it now:-
Randy: "Just so you know, Martin, we've rung Jose's agent to find out if he'd fancy your job or not!"
Martin: "Great idea - he's a really spendid manager and if there's a possibility of getting him in here we should do it if at all possible. What did he say?"
Martin: Just so you klnow, Randy, you cannot take any decisions which might upset me.
Randy: Yes boss.
Sorry Hilts, but you're living in a dream world if you honestly think any manager in the world would put up with that kind of treatment!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 21, 2010, 04:46:10 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "John M"
I can just see it now:-
Randy: "Just so you know, Martin, we've rung Jose's agent to find out if he'd fancy your job or not!"
Martin: "Great idea - he's a really spendid manager and if there's a possibility of getting him in here we should do it if at all possible. What did he say?"
Martin: Just so you klnow, Randy, you cannot take any decisions which might upset me.
Randy: Yes boss.
Sorry Hilts, but you're living in a dream world if you honestly think any manager in the world would put up with that kind of treatment!
john, why are you even disscussing this with him ?, its just absolute rubbish
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john2710 on May 21, 2010, 04:55:56 PM
I see it like this; MON is a stubborn fecker & won't be pushed into selling Milner to anyone unless it's in the best interest of Aston Villa to do so. Selling to a competitor won't improve our chances next season, unless we get silly money. I don't want any Man City cast-offs as part of any proposed deal & that includes Ireland. He might be a good footballer but I fear he'd be another Sasa Curcic. Milner is still learning his trade as a midfielder & although he has been very good for that 6 months or so, I've seen many players have a purple patch for short periods of time but not sustain it. He has a lot more left to do to justify the hype. I think he will sign a new contract & will be here for at least a further 12 months.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 04:58:17 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Sorry Hilts, but you're living in a dream world if you honestly think any manager in the world would put up with that kind of treatment!
If he walks, he walks; he's not irreplaceable. But you cannot have a situation where Randy feels he can't even make the call because of how Martin will react. Not just in this example, but at all.
Obviously there's a judgment to be made on Randy's part, in this example, as to whether the chance of getting Mourinho is high enough to justify the disruption it may possibly cause. He may well conclude that in this case the chance isn't high enough to warrant it. I accept that totally. But my point is that Randy shouldn't be limited in his actions by how Martin would react.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 21, 2010, 05:04:33 PM
Hilts, if you were in charge at VP, you would be the Daily Mails dream owner. The amount of column inches you would fill up would be amazing with tut like that
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2010, 05:09:26 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
I accept that totally. But my point is that Randy shouldn't be limited in his actions by how Martin would react.
No, but I would hope he was limited by his own sense of honour and integrity.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2010, 05:10:27 PM
By the way I notice Hilts has managed to twist another thread into his "replace MON" crusade. What happened to discussing James Milner?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 05:11:36 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
By the way I notice Hilts has managed to twist another thread into his "replace MON" crusade. What happened to discussing James Milner?
I was. Smith brought up Mourinho.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 21, 2010, 05:14:38 PM
Well Mourinho will be at Real Madrid in the next couple of weeks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on May 21, 2010, 06:00:58 PM
I logged on to see the latest milner news and the last 3 pages are all about o neill?
I think it's bailed on that milner will leave , it's just a question of how much we can push the bidding up, there are reports that city a d chelsea are both looking at £30m bids and that is serious money for a guy with only 2 yrs on his contract!
Let's take the money and get in 3 top class players with it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Let's take the money and get in 3 top class players with it.
Will that be possible when the likes of Carlton Cole and Bobby Zamora are valued in the £10M bracket?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on May 21, 2010, 06:06:52 PM
Quote from: "john2710"
I see it like this; MON is a stubborn fecker & won't be pushed into selling Milner to anyone unless it's in the best interest of Aston Villa to do so. Selling to a competitor won't improve our chances next season, unless we get silly money. I don't want any Man City cast-offs as part of any proposed deal & that includes Ireland. He might be a good footballer but I fear he'd be another Sasa Curcic. Milner is still learning his trade as a midfielder & although he has been very good for that 6 months or so, I've seen many players have a purple patch for short periods of time but not sustain it. He has a lot more left to do to justify the hype. I think he will sign a new contract & will be here for at least a further 12 months.
If he's having a purple patch and we're being offered 25m+ then surely we should take it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on May 21, 2010, 06:14:55 PM
I see this one playing out like the Barry scenario, he'll go, but after the next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 21, 2010, 06:35:09 PM
Is this the new Barry thread?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on May 21, 2010, 06:35:54 PM
if he goes next season with just one yr on his contract the price will drop massively as well, we will have cash to spend besides the milner money and any other sales that we make , so we should be in a position to spend around £60m on incoming players , if we cant get decent players in with that outlay we may as well give up.
milner has been brilliant but his sale could give us the chance to bring in 3 or maybe more top players , carlton cole , no thank you!
ireland, wright phillips, richards maybe , i know a lot dont like robbie keane but he would be great for us up front, whoever mon goes for he should be able to bring in 4 players at around £15m each.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: django on May 21, 2010, 07:24:20 PM
Its all feels very frustrating doesn't it, like tending a rose bush in your garden, you dig, water and prick your fingers waiting patiently for it to flower.... only just as it comes into bloom your neighbour comes and digs it up and plants it in theirs.
If it kept happening you might be tempted to give up gardening.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on May 21, 2010, 07:28:00 PM
Quote from: "cheltenhamlion"
The difficulty I have with replacing them is the very limited field we operate in transfer wise.
I am sure there are players in the world who would improve us but as we will likely be limited to buying from the domestic market again they aren't going to be too easy to find.
This basically.
We cannot replace Milner from the domestic market without paying probably more than what we get for Milner. I know fuck all about players world wide, but surely there's a Milner out there somewhere?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 21, 2010, 07:51:27 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Obviously there's a judgment to be made on Randy's part, in this example, as to whether the chance of getting Mourinho is high enough to justify the disruption it may possibly cause. He may well conclude that in this case the chance isn't high enough to warrant it. I accept that totally. But my point is that Randy shouldn't be limited in his actions by how Martin would react.
So should Spurs do the same thing? Should every club outside the top 3?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on May 21, 2010, 07:53:19 PM
Mad dogs and Englishmen out in the midday sun. the 10am sun, 11am sun, 2o'clock sun.......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 21, 2010, 07:53:43 PM
There is no way MON will be able to spot potential stars like Milner and Ashley Young, buy them relatively cheaply, help develop their game, and turn them into real assets for Aston Villa.
Oh, er ... hang on a minute...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ronshirt on May 21, 2010, 08:15:59 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
the chance of getting Mourinho
This could be decided one way or another quite easily. Ring him up and say in an American accent, 'Hello, Sir, this is Randy Lerner - Chairman of Aston Villa. Would you like to be our manager at your earliest convenience?'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on May 21, 2010, 08:24:41 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
There is no way MON will be able to spot potential stars like Milner and Ashley Young, buy them relatively cheaply, help develop their game, and turn them into real assets for Aston Villa.
Oh, er ... hang on a minute...
Excellent point, well made. Short, sweet and blindingly accurate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 08:26:38 PM
Quote from: "John M"
So should Spurs do the same thing? Should every club outside the top 3?
If you're suggesting that when Jose Mourinho says he's not happy in Italy and wants to manage in England again, the sensible thing for a top 6 Premier League club to do is totally ignore him then I'd have to disagree with you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 08:28:02 PM
Quote from: "Guy M"
Quote from: "Percy"
There is no way MON will be able to spot potential stars like Milner and Ashley Young, buy them relatively cheaply, help develop their game, and turn them into real assets for Aston Villa.
Oh, er ... hang on a minute...
Excellent point, well made. Short, sweet and blindingly accurate.
Turn them into real assets for Aston Villa for how long though? It seems that hanging on to these assets is going to be the biggest challenge.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 21, 2010, 08:30:34 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Guy M"
Quote from: "Percy"
There is no way MON will be able to spot potential stars like Milner and Ashley Young, buy them relatively cheaply, help develop their game, and turn them into real assets for Aston Villa.
Oh, er ... hang on a minute...
Excellent point, well made. Short, sweet and blindingly accurate.
Turn them into real assets for Aston Villa for how long though? It seems that hanging on to these assets is going to be the biggest challenge.
It's certainly a challenge.
But even if we can't, tripling our investment is hardly a bad second choice.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: fringey on May 21, 2010, 08:31:55 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
There is no way MON will be able to spot potential stars like Milner and Ashley Young, buy them relatively cheaply, help develop their game, and turn them into real assets for Aston Villa.
Oh, er ... hang on a minute...
the same ashley young that was wanted by other teams like spurs or the same milner who we knew is a quality player when we had him on loan . you do not pay 12 million on milner and not expect him to be good same with young .
I cannot believe the amount of people on here who think MON is the messiah and he cannot do anything wrong , quite frankly given the money he has had his transfer dealings are average at best .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 08:37:01 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
It's certainly a challenge.
But even if we can't, tripling our investment is hardly a bad second choice.
Absolutely, as long as it's ploughed straight back into the team.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 21, 2010, 08:37:02 PM
Quote from: "fringey"
the same ashley young that was wanted by other teams like spurs or the same milner who we knew is a quality player when we had him on loan . you do not pay 12 million on milner and not expect him to be good same with young .
So why didn't others pay £12m for Milner then?
Quote
I cannot believe the amount of people on here who think MON is the manager and he cannot do anything wrong
Not this nonsense again. Who has said this? Anywhere?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 21, 2010, 08:37:06 PM
Just think at this rate, top teams will be fighting over Downing this time next year, i reckon about 20- 30-mill should do it
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TelfordVilla on May 21, 2010, 08:38:07 PM
Quote from: "john2710"
I see it like this; MON is a stubborn fecker & won't be pushed into selling Milner to anyone unless it's in the best interest of Aston Villa to do so. Selling to a competitor won't improve our chances next season, unless we get silly money. I don't want any Man City cast-offs as part of any proposed deal & that includes Ireland. He might be a good footballer but I fear he'd be another Sasa Curcic. Milner is still learning his trade as a midfielder & although he has been very good for that 6 months or so, I've seen many players have a purple patch for short periods of time but not sustain it. He has a lot more left to do to justify the hype. I think he will sign a new contract & will be here for at least a further 12 months.
100% correct (silly money means £100m not £35m)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 21, 2010, 08:39:09 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Just think at this rate, top teams will be fighting over Downing this time next year, i reckon about 20- 30-mill should do it
I don't think he's going to want to go to Zimbabwe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 21, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "john e"
Just think at this rate, top teams will be fighting over Downing this time next year, i reckon about 20- 30-mill should do it
I don't think he's going to want to go to Zimbabwe.
By this time next year the Euro will be worth as much, so you never know.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: RunRickyRun on May 21, 2010, 09:44:17 PM
I keep reading about Milner's contract only having 2 years to run.
Id imagine the club has an option to exten the contract by a year, especially as we owned by an American (it's a pretty standard clause in American sports' contracts)
Anyone have some inside knowledge on this or a reliable source?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on May 21, 2010, 09:46:46 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Just think at this rate, top teams will be fighting over Downing this time next year, i reckon about 20- 30-mill should do it
Just say no to drugs, kids
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 21, 2010, 09:48:49 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
There is no way MON will be able to spot potential stars like Milner and Ashley Young, buy them relatively cheaply, help develop their game, and turn them into real assets for Aston Villa.
Oh, er ... hang on a minute...
Assets that we cash in on readily... we are starting to become like the builder who keeps on buying houses that have potential, tart em up, sell em and then buy another. Over a period of time he has bought many houses, made a tidy sum but his family have no great memories of living in stable family home. Off the wall maybe, but....the more we sell our prize asssets and have to start all over the more I think why am I bothering. If its all about making profits/balancing the books I may as well save me money and go and watch Southport.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: fringey on May 21, 2010, 09:52:56 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "fringey"
the same ashley young that was wanted by other teams like spurs or the same milner who we knew is a quality player when we had him on loan . you do not pay 12 million on milner and not expect him to be good same with young .
So why didn't others pay £12m for Milner then?
Quote
I cannot believe the amount of people on here who think MON is the manager and he cannot do anything wrong
Not this nonsense again. Who has said this? Anywhere?
he was linked with Liverpool if i remember correctly ,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 21, 2010, 09:56:22 PM
Quote from: "fringey"
he was linked with Liverpool if i remember correctly ,
You do remember correctly.
But if I remember correctly, they didn't sign him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on May 21, 2010, 11:40:10 PM
If we get 30 mil for JM then football has really gone mad. The only clubs pushing up prices are Man City and Chelski i cannot seee SAF offering that kind of money for him. Thats nearly half of what Lerner paid for the whole club. Bite their hands off i say we've seen better players than Jimmy leave and we've gone on to bigger and better things.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on May 21, 2010, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: "ROBBO"
If we get 30 mil for JM then football has really gone mad. The only clubs pushing up prices are Man City and Chelski i cannot seee SAF offering that kind of money for him. Thats nearly half of what Lerner paid for the whole club. Bite their hands off i say we've seen better players than Jimmy leave and we've gone on to bigger and better things.
Like who and when?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: shipscat on May 22, 2010, 01:17:37 AM
Quote from: "Guy M"
Quote from: "Percy"
There is no way MON will be able to spot potential stars like Milner and Ashley Young, buy them relatively cheaply, help develop their game, and turn them into real assets for Aston Villa.
Oh, er ... hang on a minute...
Excellent point, well made. Short, sweet and blindingly accurate.
Mmmm Surely our "much maligned" manager won't be responsible enough to spend that dividend!!After all he's only paid top dollar for young,milner,etc He couldn't possible spot another golden asset,let him spe nd and see where we are circa 24/36 months down the line!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JD on May 22, 2010, 04:27:36 AM
Quote from: "villa `cross the mersey"
Quote from: "ROBBO"
If we get 30 mil for JM then football has really gone mad. The only clubs pushing up prices are Man City and Chelski i cannot seee SAF offering that kind of money for him. Thats nearly half of what Lerner paid for the whole club. Bite their hands off i say we've seen better players than Jimmy leave and we've gone on to bigger and better things.
Like who and when?
David Platt for instance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 06:54:12 AM
City are to offer £20m plus one of Richards, SWP, Onuha or Ireland.
I would take all 4 and £20m. Not just one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 06:55:24 AM
Quote from: "fringey"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "fringey"
the same ashley young that was wanted by other teams like spurs or the same milner who we knew is a quality player when we had him on loan . you do not pay 12 million on milner and not expect him to be good same with young .
So why didn't others pay £12m for Milner then?
Quote
I cannot believe the amount of people on here who think MON is the manager and he cannot do anything wrong
Not this nonsense again. Who has said this? Anywhere?
he was linked with Liverpool if i remember correctly ,
Milner was linked with Liverpool last summer
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 22, 2010, 07:30:53 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "fringey"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "fringey"
the same ashley young that was wanted by other teams like spurs or the same milner who we knew is a quality player when we had him on loan . you do not pay 12 million on milner and not expect him to be good same with young .
So why didn't others pay £12m for Milner then?
Quote
I cannot believe the amount of people on here who think MON is the manager and he cannot do anything wrong
Not this nonsense again. Who has said this? Anywhere?
he was linked with Liverpool if i remember correctly ,
Milner was linked with Liverpool last summer
If Milner had gone to Liverpool he'd still be playing wide right and would not now be a potential £30m pl;ayer.
When we signed him many on this board reckoned we'd paid too much, they were clearly wrong. Fortunately the manager is a better judge of player than they are.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2010, 07:40:29 AM
Miner is a good player but he's really not worth 35m as some are suggesting.
The post suggesting he's better than Gerrard and Lampard were at his age is ridiculous
whilst I do worry about replacing him (mainly because I suspect it will involve Jermaine Jenas), I worry far more about what it says about the club, in particular to the other players.
What message does it send out to sell our best midfielder to Man City - a direct competitor - two years running?
We already have the issue that sixth, sixth, sixth is not progress at all for players who want to play in the champions league (and it gets harder to convince players we are a better bet for it than city if we keep selling them their colleagues)
For that reason I think this decision is about much more than keeping James Miner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: lovejoy on May 22, 2010, 07:48:39 AM
Agreed paulie unless we went down the Arsenal route and started spending on up and coming youngsters to fill the gaps left. The consensus would suggest that we don't think MON can do a Wenger in the transfer market successfully.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 22, 2010, 08:00:02 AM
This morning's papers are suggesting Citeh will offer us £20 million plus 1 from 4 players.
I'd ask for £20m plus Ireland plus one other and maybe we'd get the better deal! Roque Santa Cruz??
They have got lots of money but hopefully less common sense. Whatever we say about selling to our competitors they have got access to so much money the rules of the game are stacked against us.
We have to do what we can and try to get something out of it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 22, 2010, 08:20:43 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Miner is a good player but he's really not worth 35m as some are suggesting.
The post suggesting he's better than Gerrard and Lampard were at his age is ridiculous
whilst I do worry about replacing him (mainly because I suspect it will involve Jermaine Jenas), I worry far more about what it says about the club, in particular to the other players.
What message does it send out to sell our best midfielder to Man City - a direct competitor - two years running?
We already have the issue that sixth, sixth, sixth is not progress at all for players who want to play in the champions league (and it gets harder to convince players we are a better bet for it than city if we keep selling them their colleagues)
For that reason I think this decision is about much more than keeping James Miner.
Players will be fully aware of the economic realities associated with Man City so I don't think this will tell them anything that they don't already know i.e. that club is in a position to financially bully the rest of us. Redknapp mentioned it a few weeks ago in relation to how they warned Spurs of Bellamy by saying that they'd also bid for Palacios.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 22, 2010, 08:41:47 AM
Can someone explain why spurs and everton etc have all tied their players to new contracts before the world cup? Whereas we 'are happy' to wait till after the world cup.
Are Randy and Martin thick?
Milner should have been signed up before his hea was turned!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: davevillan on May 22, 2010, 08:54:49 AM
Quote from: "SashasGrandad"
This morning's papers are suggesting Citeh will offer us £20 million plus 1 from 4 players.
I'd ask for £20m plus Ireland plus one other and maybe we'd get the better deal! Roque Santa Cruz??
They have got lots of money but hopefully less common sense. Whatever we say about selling to our competitors they have got access to so much money the rules of the game are stacked against us.
We have to do what we can and try to get something out of it.
Of those, id agree with Ireland. We get a good profit and a good player from them in the process. Lets face it is he really worth £20m more then Ireland, who if im correct was their player of the season 12mths ago. Take 12mts ago, we basically swapped B£rry for Dunne and made £6? I think its fair to say we got the better half of the deal. IF this deal was to go ahead and we got Ireland plus £20 then again they will have helped strengthen us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 22, 2010, 08:57:12 AM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Can someone explain why spurs and everton etc have all tied their players to new contracts before the world cup? Whereas we 'are happy' to wait till after the world cup.
Are Randy and Martin thick?
Milner should have been signed up before his hea was turned!
Yes, clearly it's just us that this happens to.
From the Liverpool Echo:
Quote
A number of Toffees stars are being linked with moves away from Merseyside, including Rodwell and Mikel Arteta, who is reported to be on the radar of Manchester City and Arsenal.
While Tim Cahill has committed his long-term future to the Blues, Steven Pienaar has postponed making a decision about his new deal until after the World Cup.
How are Carrick and Berbatov getting on at Spurs these days?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2010, 09:32:19 AM
Quote from: "lovejoy"
Agreed paulie unless we went down the Arsenal route and started spending on up and coming youngsters to fill the gaps left. The consensus would suggest that we don't think MON can do a Wenger in the transfer market successfully.
In another thread, the 'consensus' clearly states, rather than just suggest, that we would trust Martin with the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 22, 2010, 09:35:09 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
whilst I do worry about replacing him (mainly because I suspect it will involve Jermaine Jenas)
I'm pretty sure a lot of people were saying the same thing 12-months ago when Barry was leaving. They were wrong then and I think you'll be wrong now.
Can we at least limit ourselves to having a pop at him for the things he HAS done?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on May 22, 2010, 09:39:17 AM
Don't forget the prices we'll be quoted, we will need a replacement and everyone will know we'll have around £30 million in the bank...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 10:01:36 AM
http://buzztap.com/-v7PO7u
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 22, 2010, 10:12:11 AM
Quote from: "django"
Its all feels very frustrating doesn't it, like tending a rose bush in your garden, you dig, water and prick your fingers waiting patiently for it to flower.... only just as it comes into bloom your neighbour comes and digs it up and plants it in theirs.
If it kept happening you might be tempted to give up gardening.
Happened since time immemorial though. Teams like Liverpool, Spurs and Man Utd did it (and to each other) all through the 80s and 90s, one just didn't notice it as much as the only places you read about it were on the back of the daily paper or on Ceefax...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hackneyvillain on May 22, 2010, 10:14:01 AM
So far, the only thin we actually know, is that Man city have made a bid, which has been 'firmly rejected'. Judging by what is being said on here you would think the cub have let him go on a free.
Like the poster a few posts up said, lets wait until we actually know some facts before slating MON/Randy/the groundsmen etc
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: rogfromb6 on May 22, 2010, 10:20:18 AM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Can someone explain why spurs and everton etc have all tied their players to new contracts before the world cup? Whereas we 'are happy' to wait till after the world cup.
Are Randy and Martin thick?
Milner should have been signed up before his hea was turned!
Man City come knocking with their bottomless pit of cash and the fact someone has a 2 or 4 year contract makes sod all difference as to whether a player stays or go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2010, 10:20:44 AM
I suggested earlier we'd get £15m and Ireland. I think it would be great business if we get an extra £5m, Ireland would slot nicely in the side to replace Milner and £20m for a new striker would be just what we need.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 10:28:28 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Miner is a good player but he's really not worth 35m as some are suggesting.
The post suggesting he's better than Gerrard and Lampard were at his age is ridiculous...
It isn't a ridiculous suggestion at all.
I commented that he was better for his age than either of those two players were and I'll happily stand by that opinion. I pointed out that Gerrard and Lampard were a year or two older than Milner when they had what I regard as their breakthrough seasons.
Milner was 23 years old at the start of this season and scored 12 goals wihilst transitioning from winger to centre midfield.
The examples given for Gerrard and Lampard breakthrough seasons are funnily enough, when they were each a year or two older than Milner.
Nobody has put forward a view that Lampard was as influential for his team at the same or earlier age, which isn't surprising given that he was already 23 by the time he made his debut for Chelsea and he scored only 5 goals in his first 2 seasons there. Gerrard was 24 at the start of season when he scored 13 goals. Prior to that he had only scored 20 times in 170 PL matches and a total of 28 from 240 games in all club competitions.
Milner, one of the youngest players and goalscorers of all-time in the English top division, is at least as good as those two were at his age, in my opinion.
The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ad@m on May 22, 2010, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
We already have the issue that sixth, sixth, sixth is not progress at all for players who want to play in the champions league (and it gets harder to convince players we are a better bet for it than city if we keep selling them their colleagues)
For that reason I think this decision is about much more than keeping James Miner.
This is going to be slightly off-topic but this sort of bullshit really does wind me up.
Those three sixth position finishes have seen us finish 16 points adrift of 4th place in 2007/08, 10 points adrift in 08/09 and then just six points adrift of 4th in 09/10. On top of this in 08/09 we were in the top 4 for the majority of the season and had a cracking run in the UEFA til MON chucked it, then this year we've had an excellent cup season (Rapid Vienna and some dodgy refereeing decisions aside).
Progress is clear to see and I don't think the players (despite being footballers) are too stupid to see it.
So back on to topic! Man City are using standard unsettling tactics by making this offer. It wouldn't surprise me if we start to see headlines in the press along the lines of "Barry tells Milner to move" etc, etc. It's just the next step in the big/rich-club-steals-player-process used by Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Madrid, etc over and over again.
Just like we didn't have to sell Barry the year Liverpool came calling we don't have to sell Milner now. The money isn't needed by the club. He's also got two years left on his contract so we can keep him for at least another season and still get a transfer fee for him.
I'm really not sure what I want to see happen. If we can get £30m+ for Milner and use that money to buy a striker and a replacement for Milner (which would most likely have to come from abroad at those prices) then I'd say take it. I'm just not sure those players are available and I certainly don't know who they are!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: wookster on May 22, 2010, 10:30:02 AM
Quote from: "rogfromb6"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Can someone explain why spurs and everton etc have all tied their players to new contracts before the world cup? Whereas we 'are happy' to wait till after the world cup.
Are Randy and Martin thick?
Milner should have been signed up before his hea was turned!
Man City come knocking with their bottomless pit of cash and the fact someone has a 2 or 4 year contract makes sod all difference as to whether a player stays or go.
If they want him they'll end up paying well overthe odds like they did with Lescott, they seem to get their man eventually. Chequebook talks
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on May 22, 2010, 10:33:41 AM
If we do indeed sell, we simply have to extort crazy money from City. 35 mill seems right. If Lescott cost upwards of 20 mill, Milner should be at least 35mill.
Much as Milner is our best player and most consistent. If you replace him with 3 good quality 10 mill players, say two midfielders and a decent striker, then the side has been improved.
At a minimum, Milner will require two class players to replace him IMO, because of how much he brings to the side.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on May 22, 2010, 10:36:20 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Miner is a good player but he's really not worth 35m as some are suggesting.
I don't think people are saying he's worth £35m, they're maybe suggesting it's what we should try and get for him. Everton did'nt want to lose Lescott, so they put a way over the top price on his head, and Man City stupidly paid it.
If it comes down to it (and i'd rather he signs a new contract, than leave) I've got no objections to them paying us way over the odds for the inconvenience of us losing our best player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 22, 2010, 10:41:42 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 22, 2010, 10:52:38 AM
Yes, a £35 mill fee in total , but Man Citeh are the wealthist club on the planet as they keep telling us.
Then we could go and get a right back - £7 million would get a great one.
The proceeds frpm the Summer sale will probably add £20 million to the £3.5 we got for Gardner, so without even touching the Sky money, we'd have the ability to build some squad for next season.
Imagine:-
Freidel
New RB Collins Dunne Warnock
SWP Petrrov Ireland Downing / Delph
Gabby / The Fonz Bellamy / Carew
Plus a few more signings.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 10:59:16 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
They were reported to be willing to pay £40m for Terry last summer, at 31 and with no sell on value. They're rumoured to have spent £47m buying Tevez. I think £30m would represent Man City's first bargain in about 3 years.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 11:12:31 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
They were reported to be willing to pay £40m for Terry last summer, at 31 and with no sell on value. They're rumoured to have spent £47m buying Tevez. I think £30m would represent Man City's first bargain in about 3 years.
Terry was 28 when they were chasing him last summer.
Why does there have to be a sell on value? If they signed him and his performance took them to the CL or on them a trophy then it's money well spent.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 22, 2010, 11:18:29 AM
Simply put, if we do do a deal, let's fleece the bastards.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 22, 2010, 11:20:22 AM
Quote from: "Ad@m"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
We already have the issue that sixth, sixth, sixth is not progress at all for players who want to play in the champions league (and it gets harder to convince players we are a better bet for it than city if we keep selling them their colleagues)
For that reason I think this decision is about much more than keeping James Miner.
This is going to be slightly off-topic but this sort of bullshit really does wind me up.
Those three sixth position finishes have seen us finish 16 points adrift of 4th place in 2007/08, 10 points adrift in 08/09 and then just six points adrift of 4th in 09/10. !
so if we were to finish 5th next season but finish 7 points behind 4th, you'd be claiming we've gone backwards would you?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 22, 2010, 11:21:24 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Imagine:-
Freidel
New RB Collins Dunne Warnock
SWP Petrrov Ireland Downing / Delph
Gabby / The Fonz Bellamy / Carew
I can only assume we're buying SWP to prevent him from having his one good game per season when he plays us?
Why the theoretical wingers you have are Downing and Wright-Phillips with no Ashley Young I cannot fathom.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
They were reported to be willing to pay £40m for Terry last summer, at 31 and with no sell on value. They're rumoured to have spent £47m buying Tevez. I think £30m would represent Man City's first bargain in about 3 years.
Terry was 28 when they were chasing him last summer.
Why does there have to be a sell on value? If they signed him and his performance took them to the CL or on them a trophy then it's money well spent.
It must have been a tough old season for him because he's 32 next month.
I'm not going to bother explaining why it is better to have a sell on value.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on May 22, 2010, 11:27:13 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Can someone explain why spurs and everton etc have all tied their players to new contracts before the world cup? Whereas we 'are happy' to wait till after the world cup.
Are Randy and Martin thick?
Milner should have been signed up before his hea was turned!
Yes, clearly it's just us that this happens to.
From the Liverpool Echo:
Quote
A number of Toffees stars are being linked with moves away from Merseyside, including Rodwell and Mikel Arteta, who is reported to be on the radar of Manchester City and Arsenal.
While Tim Cahill has committed his long-term future to the Blues, Steven Pienaar has postponed making a decision about his new deal until after the World Cup.
How are Carrick and Berbatov getting on at Spurs these days?
I was going to say that Everton *might* have found it easier, seeing as there season was over a good fortnight (if not more) before ours. If the papers had been full of Villa discussing deals while we were still in the run for 4th, people would have been criticising the management for not letting the players concentrate on the football.
And even if Milner et al had signed new contracts a few weeks ago, if Citeh come in with a £30m+ bid and having spent a few weeks having his head turned while away with England, the contract would have been worth as little as his current contract.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 22, 2010, 11:27:31 AM
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The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
They were reported to be willing to pay £40m for Terry last summer, at 31 and with no sell on value. They're rumoured to have spent £47m buying Tevez. I think £30m would represent Man City's first bargain in about 3 years.
Terry was 28 when they were chasing him last summer.
Why does there have to be a sell on value? If they signed him and his performance took them to the CL or on them a trophy then it's money well spent.
It must have been a tough old season for him because he's 32 next month.
I'm not going to bother explaining why it is better to have a sell on value.
erm he's 29 according to wiki. born 1980
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Meanwood Villa on May 22, 2010, 11:27:40 AM
At the very least I think we should hold out till after the World Cup. If he has a Platty-esque tournament we'll be looking at another 10 mil on the transfer fee especially if England do well
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 11:28:54 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
They were reported to be willing to pay £40m for Terry last summer, at 31 and with no sell on value. They're rumoured to have spent £47m buying Tevez. I think £30m would represent Man City's first bargain in about 3 years.
Terry was 28 when they were chasing him last summer.
Why does there have to be a sell on value? If they signed him and his performance took them to the CL or on them a trophy then it's money well spent.
It must have been a tough old season for him because he's 32 next month.
I'm not going to bother explaining why it is better to have a sell on value.
John Terry is not 31.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 11:29:51 AM
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The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
They were reported to be willing to pay £40m for Terry last summer, at 31 and with no sell on value. They're rumoured to have spent £47m buying Tevez. I think £30m would represent Man City's first bargain in about 3 years.
Terry was 28 when they were chasing him last summer.
Why does there have to be a sell on value? If they signed him and his performance took them to the CL or on them a trophy then it's money well spent.
It must have been a tough old season for him because he's 32 next month.
I'm not going to bother explaining why it is better to have a sell on value.
erm he's 29 according to wiki. born 1980
Another classic Villadawg fact is that John Terry is 32 next month. Let's just take his word for it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 22, 2010, 11:30:21 AM
His brother is 31. Maybe that's where it came from.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 11:31:02 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
His brother is 31. Maybe that's where it came from.
Maybe they are now twins, but they don't know it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 22, 2010, 11:31:18 AM
Quote from: "Meanwood Villa"
At the very least I think we should hold out till after the World Cup. If he has a Platty-esque tournament we'll be looking at another 10 mil on the transfer fee especially if England do well
yep. we'll look complete mugs if he has a blinder and we've already sold him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 22, 2010, 11:32:39 AM
He will end up at Chelsea anyway ..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 11:37:56 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "gregnash"
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The original point I was making is that if we are to sell him, we should be thinking of a price equivalent or close to what you would value a 5 year younger version of Gerrard or Lampard.
That price would probably be around the £30m that most people seem to say they would be happy with though.
They were reported to be willing to pay £40m for Terry last summer, at 31 and with no sell on value. They're rumoured to have spent £47m buying Tevez. I think £30m would represent Man City's first bargain in about 3 years.
Terry was 28 when they were chasing him last summer.
Why does there have to be a sell on value? If they signed him and his performance took them to the CL or on them a trophy then it's money well spent.
It must have been a tough old season for him because he's 32 next month.
I'm not going to bother explaining why it is better to have a sell on value.
erm he's 29 according to wiki. born 1980
Another classic Villadawg fact is that John Terry is 32 next month. Let's just take his word for it.
Sorry, my mistake. I was writing Terry and thinking Lampard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ad@m on May 22, 2010, 11:49:45 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
so if we were to finish 5th next season but finish 7 points behind 4th, you'd be claiming we've gone backwards would you?
Would we be any closer to finishing 4th?
That was the point originally made.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 22, 2010, 12:05:30 PM
Quote from: "Ad@m"
Quote from: "gregnash"
so if we were to finish 5th next season but finish 7 points behind 4th, you'd be claiming we've gone backwards would you?
Would we be any closer to finishing 4th?
That was the point originally made.
The only thing that counts imo is that 5 teams were better than us. Again. Points don't come into it as the quality of the sides overal varies each year. If we get 4th next season with the same points total as this year, i certainly won't class it as non-progress
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kipeye on May 22, 2010, 12:47:22 PM
-I don't think there is any real substance to saying we need to sell him. He may or may not be worth £30m (his age means he could be a world-class player if he continues to improve) but even if he does not fulfil his potential we should keep him if only as a signal that we are not a selling club. Most people think he and Delph are part of Mon's bigger plans for the midfield-they could be right and turn out to be another Mortimer-Bremner combination. The other side is that if he does improve further with us it will attract other good players maybe of Champions League class. If we sell him now-we will never know and besides if he does get better and better who knows, we might start to win things.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 22, 2010, 12:53:13 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
He will end up at Chelsea anyway ..
Hope so. As a big fan of his I'd rather see him join a huge team where he'll win major honours than Man City, where he might pick up a Carling Cup medal whilst picking up some of Barry's slack. I'd be offended if he left Villa for that lot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 01:29:32 PM
Quote from: "kipeye"
-I don't think there is any real substance to saying we need to sell him. He may or may not be worth £30m (his age means he could be a world-class player if he continues to improve) but even if he does not fulfil his potential we should keep him if only as a signal that we are not a selling club. Most people think he and Delph are part of Mon's bigger plans for the midfield-they could be right and turn out to be another Mortimer-Bremner combination. The other side is that if he does improve further with us it will attract other good players maybe of Champions League class. If we sell him now-we will never know and besides if he does get better and better who knows, we might start to win things.
There would appear to be only two ways to make a successful team (unless you are very, very lucky) and that is to buy one or build one. What does it say about us if we sell Milner?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 22, 2010, 02:16:38 PM
TBh i would just swap him for all 4.
Micah Richards, for me would make an excellant defensive midfielder.
I f we do sell Milner, would anybody else buy Rodwell for £15m?, or Ozil?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 02:49:49 PM
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If we get 30 mil for JM then football has really gone mad. The only clubs pushing up prices are Man City and Chelski i cannot seee SAF offering that kind of money for him. Thats nearly half of what Lerner paid for the whole club. Bite their hands off i say we've seen better players than Jimmy leave and we've gone on to bigger and better things.
Like who and when?
Andy Gray, Alan McInally and David Platt just off the top of my head.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 03:07:00 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
I commented that he was better for his age than either of those two players were and I'll happily stand by that opinion. I pointed out that Gerrard and Lampard were a year or two older than Milner when they had what I regard as their breakthrough seasons.
That's interesting.
The part in bold is key, I think.
Frank Lampard is, what 31? Go back seven years and you're into 2003. (2010-7= 2003) By that stage he was already a key player of the Chelsea team who had competed for CL places and trophies.
As pointed out earlier, Steve Gerrard was one of the key peformers for England as far back as 2001. He's 29 now. So what, 9 years? That makes him around 20 at the time. 4 years later he played a key part in Liverpool's EC win.
Nowt wrong with a bit of bias, talking up our players and viewing them more favourably than others. But there's talking up and there's talking shite.
I've just decided that Frank Lampard had his breakthrough season in 2007. There, just now. Don't have anything to back that up, mind. Most logic indicates that isn't the case. But it's what I regard as his breakthrough season, so I can't be wrong. I'll try and justify it with some cack handed stats in due course.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karlos96 on May 22, 2010, 03:33:26 PM
I like Milner but there is no way on earth he is better than Gerrard and in my view he never will.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Quiet Lion on May 22, 2010, 03:52:28 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Micah Richards, for me would make an excellant defensive midfielder.
Good lord no
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 03:58:20 PM
Quote from: "Karlos96"
I like Milner but there is no way on earth he is better than Gerrard and in my view he never will.
I agree.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 22, 2010, 04:02:54 PM
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 22, 2010, 04:05:10 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
So it's only a matter of time before he's off somewhere else.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on May 22, 2010, 04:13:02 PM
I see it happening towards the end of the window, he'll see the squad lose a couple, no high profile striker come in and think bollocks, where's the ambition? Another top 7 finish.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 22, 2010, 04:28:03 PM
Quote from: "Meanwood Villa"
At the very least I think we should hold out till after the World Cup. If he has a Platty-esque tournament we'll be looking at another 10 mil on the transfer fee especially if England do well
There will be no movement on this until after the world cup. That at least we can be sure of.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 22, 2010, 04:30:35 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
So it's only a matter of time before he's off somewhere else.
Then we'll make a massive profit on him and sign someone else just as good.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 04:35:45 PM
Purely in monetary terms, Milner departing for anything in the region of £30 million makes sense. Especially if we pick up one of their better players into the bargain.
I'm not particularly perturbed at selling to a rival, Arsenal sold them Adebayor last year and still finished above them, and there are countless other examples of decent players moving around similar sized clubs.
What does concern me a bit is that it would be two years on the trot that we would have sold them one of our better players, and it would be hard to avoid the feeling that whoever we bring in, if they too progress and develop how we would hope/expect they'll move on in a few years. The hope would be that by reinvesting and building wisely we'll eventually be in a position to ward off that kind of threat. Perhaps even be the hunter rather than the hunted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2010, 07:24:50 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
This is the bit where you go and see a head doctor
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 22, 2010, 07:30:58 PM
Time will tell.........but i bet i am right.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 22, 2010, 07:31:24 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
This is the bit where you go and see a head doctor
There's a good chance he'll be right IMO.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2010, 07:33:20 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
That's a mightly claim to make.
Been in the sun for a few hours today, blf?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 22, 2010, 07:34:38 PM
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 22, 2010, 07:44:45 PM
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 22, 2010, 08:05:47 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
Can you predict 4th place next season for us please?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 22, 2010, 08:07:26 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
Can you predict 4th place next season for us please?
and the next 5 sets of lottery numbers?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 22, 2010, 08:08:00 PM
Just that?
I'd like Percy to predict us to win the Quadruple.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on May 22, 2010, 08:09:38 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Just that?
I'd like Percy to predict us to win the Quadruple.
The secret of successful predictions is not predicting anything outlandish.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 08:35:22 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
With respect, none of those were entirely out of leftfield.
Gabby doesn't have the skill, trickery or crossing ability to make it as a winger (wasn't he a forward in the reserves and youths anyway?) but pace will always cause trouble up top. On his debut v Everton and in MON's first season he scored some very well taken goals, so it was pretty clear where his future lay.
Again Jimmy wasn't the greatest as a winger either, delivery not fantastic, no great array of skills and not blessed with blinding pace. But a good work ethic, good range of passing, can get stuck in and not afraid to shoot either. All the makings of a decent CM in other words.
Of all the clubs in the top 4 Liverpool have looked the most vulnerable for a while (last season's 2nd place finish looks increasingly like a blip). The ongoing antics of Laurel and Hardy and a deluge of crap signings by Rafa has ensured that even a team blessed with the talent of Gerrard and Torres are usually as about exciting as watching paint dry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 22, 2010, 08:43:14 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "Meanwood Villa"
At the very least I think we should hold out till after the World Cup. If he has a Platty-esque tournament we'll be looking at another 10 mil on the transfer fee especially if England do well
There will be no movement on this until after the world cup. That at least we can be sure of.
Faulkner is seeing Milner next week as Milner wants this sorted before the worls cup
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 22, 2010, 08:44:40 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
i said Sidwell wasnt good enough before we signed him, i said the same thing about Downing
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 22, 2010, 08:53:04 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
With respect, none of those were entirely out of leftfield.
Gabby doesn't have the skill, trickery or crossing ability to make it as a winger (wasn't he a forward in the reserves and youths anyway?) but pace will always cause trouble up top. On his debut v Everton and in MON's first season he scored some very well taken goals, so it was pretty clear where his future lay.
Again Jimmy wasn't the greatest as a winger either, delivery not fantastic, no great array of skills and not blessed with blinding pace. But a good work ethic, good range of passing, can get stuck in and not afraid to shoot either. All the makings of a decent CM in other words.
Of all the clubs in the top 4 Liverpool have looked the most vulnerable for a while (last season's 2nd place finish looks increasingly like a blip). The ongoing antics of Laurel and Hardy and a deluge of crap signings by Rafa has ensured that even a team blessed with the talent of Gerrard and Torres are usually as about exciting as watching paint dry.
Yes, but when I was saying the same things 4,3 and 2 years ago respectively I was reading essays in response questioning my sanity.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 09:31:35 PM
Ah but Perce, who is really sane or insane.
Capello and MON see something in Heskey that the rest of us miss, yet they haven't been dragged off to Highcroft yet.
"The closer you come to insanity the deeper in life you go." I read that somewhere once. On the menu at Pete and Bernie's Philosophical Steakhouse, I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hipkiss92 on May 22, 2010, 09:35:44 PM
I hope O'neill is sitting at home at the moment watching th Champions League Final saying: I will sell Milner to Man City for 30 million and the go and buy Diego Milito.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 22, 2010, 10:15:14 PM
So we have now worked out that it would be a good idea to have contract talks with Milner, so really pro-active management going on
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2010, 10:43:35 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
So we have now worked out that it would be a good idea to have contract talks with Milner, so really pro-active management going on
Both parties had agreed to have a discussion after the World Cup, but with the Man City bid and all the speculation it has changed the landscape. That can happen you know, and it requires the appropriate action. Not everything the club does should be criticised.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on May 22, 2010, 10:43:48 PM
What I really can't stand is that Man City are quite clearly not only trying to sign Milner because he's an excellent footballer, but also because it would weaken us, a competitor. It really is a bit vomit-worthy the way they go about things.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mister E on May 22, 2010, 10:49:17 PM
Monty, isn't that just being competitive?
BLF: for once we agree - Delph will be a bit of a star, I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 22, 2010, 10:54:51 PM
The Grabbing Hands Grab all that they can All for themselves Afterall it's a competitive world Everything Counts in large amounts
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on May 22, 2010, 10:56:35 PM
Quote from: "EffDee"
Monty, isn't that just being competitive?
BLF: for once we agree - Delph will be a bit of a star, I think.
In a business way, yes. In a sporting way, the way that they go about doing it is distasteful, in my view. And by that I mean using money that they don't technically have to bully other clubs into remembering that it's they, Man City, who have won the lottery.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 11:03:06 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
I commented that he was better for his age than either of those two players were and I'll happily stand by that opinion. I pointed out that Gerrard and Lampard were a year or two older than Milner when they had what I regard as their breakthrough seasons.
That's interesting.
The part in bold is key, I think.
Frank Lampard is, what 31? Go back seven years and you're into 2003. (2010-7= 2003) By that stage he was already a key player of the Chelsea team who had competed for CL places and trophies.
As pointed out earlier, Steve Gerrard was one of the key peformers for England as far back as 2001. He's 29 now. So what, 9 years? That makes him around 20 at the time. 4 years later he played a key part in Liverpool's EC win.
Nowt wrong with a bit of bias, talking up our players and viewing them more favourably than others. But there's talking up and there's talking shite.
I've just decided that Frank Lampard had his breakthrough season in 2007. There, just now. Don't have anything to back that up, mind. Most logic indicates that isn't the case. But it's what I regard as his breakthrough season, so I can't be wrong. I'll try and justify it with some cack handed stats in due course.
I’ve explained why I regard the seasons I mentioned as Gerrard and Lampard’s breakthrough seasons. You choose to pick Gerrard at a stage where he had scored less than 10 career PL goals and Lampard at a stage when he was a couple of years older than Milner, which was oddly enough my original point. . You clearly and unequivocally have the right to be deemed the expert and arbiter of what talking shite is all about but perhaps lack a crucial bit of introspection in that regard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaVA on May 22, 2010, 11:06:49 PM
I haven't been on H&V since the Citeh bid so apols for missing out on the previous 40 odd pages.
I only VERY recently got over Barry, and now I feel properly sick everytime I think about Milner in a Citeh shirt.
What would make me feel MUCH better is if Milner and Faulkner tell Citeh to fuck off, Milner steals Barry's place in the World Cup (like Patrick Barclay thinks he's going to) and ends up scoring the winning goal in the Final.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2010, 11:10:22 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
Well, as I remember it, you were predicting meltdown for Liverpool rather than an exit (which may be temporary) from the top four.
Converting Gabby from a winger to a centre forward is a bit of a weird one as he really only played one season out wide in the first place.
Milner had already played centrally for Newcastle several times (and their fans wanted him played there more often) and played there in his last game for them before joining us, at Coventry, where he excelled, and scored.
Other than that, I shall will you on to predict us to win the league next year, just in case you really have got something.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 11:19:20 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
I commented that he was better for his age than either of those two players were and I'll happily stand by that opinion. I pointed out that Gerrard and Lampard were a year or two older than Milner when they had what I regard as their breakthrough seasons.
That's interesting.
The part in bold is key, I think.
Frank Lampard is, what 31? Go back seven years and you're into 2003. (2010-7= 2003) By that stage he was already a key player of the Chelsea team who had competed for CL places and trophies.
As pointed out earlier, Steve Gerrard was one of the key peformers for England as far back as 2001. He's 29 now. So what, 9 years? That makes him around 20 at the time. 4 years later he played a key part in Liverpool's EC win.
Nowt wrong with a bit of bias, talking up our players and viewing them more favourably than others. But there's talking up and there's talking shite.
I've just decided that Frank Lampard had his breakthrough season in 2007. There, just now. Don't have anything to back that up, mind. Most logic indicates that isn't the case. But it's what I regard as his breakthrough season, so I can't be wrong. I'll try and justify it with some cack handed stats in due course.
I’ve explained why I regard the seasons I mentioned as Gerrard and Lampard’s breakthrough seasons. You choose to pick Gerrard at a stage where he had scored less than 10 career PL goals and Lampard at a stage when he was a couple of years older than Milner, which was oddly enough my original point. . You clearly and unequivocally have the right to be deemed the expert and arbiter of what talking shite is all about but perhaps lack a crucial bit of introspection in that regard.
Are you basing your bizarre conclusion on the amount of goals Milner has scored this year, a fair few of those penalties? Is that it?
Please tell me you have more than that.
Please tell me there is more behind this 'creative' outlook that sets James Milner above two of the most consistent performers in the Premiership for the past decade.
Actually don't.
I find myself in the unique position of defending those twats. I feel dirty.
You've set the criteria in so far as you're quite happy to disregard the considerable impact both had at club level before the age of 24 to fit the the weakest and most contrived of arguments.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 11:21:57 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Are you basing your bizarre conclusion on the amount of goals Milner has scored this year, a fair few of those penalties? Is that it?
Please tell me you have more than that.
Please tell me there is more behind this 'creative' outlook that sets James Milner above two of the most consistent performers in the Premiership for the past decade.
Actually don't.
I find myself in the unique position of defending those twats. I feel dirty.
You've set the criteria in so far as you're quite happy to disregard the considerable impact both had at club level before the age of 24 to fit the the weakest and most contrived of arguments.
And you are using exactly what to determine that Frank Lampard, West Ham stalwart, was better than James Milner at the same age?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 22, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
Didn't Gerrard score a fair few goals and break into the International team in 2000/01 suggesting that was his breakthrough season when he must have been 21 or 22?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2010, 11:24:56 PM
Do you really believe that, Villadawg? Honestly?
He's a good player, nobody is disagreeing with that, but better than Lampard and Gerrard at his age?
How many non-partisan observers do you think would agree with you on that?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 11:26:17 PM
He joined Chelsea in 2001.
For someone with a fetish for stats, you aren't all that when it comes to facts and figures, are you?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 22, 2010, 11:29:04 PM
Chelsea paid £11million for him too, not bad for a player yet to make a breakthrough. He also managed 14 goals for West Ham in 99/00.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 22, 2010, 11:34:20 PM
JAMES MILNER has snubbed Manchester United and told friends he wants to join their arch rivals Liverpool.
United, Chelsea and Manchester City are all desperate to land Aston Villa's 24-year-old England midfielder.
And Villa boss Martin O'Neill has demanded the Midlanders slap a massive £40million price tag on the player.
But with O'Neill also being linked to the manager's job at Anfield if Kop boss Rafa Benitez goes this summer, Milner has not ruled out a dream Liverpool move.
Sources close to Milner insisted: "Being born in Leeds, there is no way James wants to play for Manchester United.
"His preferred Premier League club is Liverpool."
But if O'Neill stays at Villa Park that option will be KO'd - leaving City and Chelsea to slug it out.
O'Neill is realistic enough to know Villa cannot compete with the money at City's disposal even if owner Randy Lerner doubles Milner's current £45,000-a-week wages.
But he doesn't want Villa to roll over when City up their offer to nearer £25m and will make City's Arab billionaires to pay through the nose in any transfer negotiations.
A source close to O'Neill said: "Martin doesn't want to start the summer feeling like he's pushing a rock up a mountain because the club have let Milner go too cheaply.
"This is a player Villa have turned into an England international, who has been one of the most consistent players in the Premier League and who has discovered a whole new role in central midfield thanks to Martin.
"To let somebody of that quality and stature go without a fight and at a price City believe is a bargan would be counter-productive.
"Nobody at Villa wants to see Milner leave and the club will speak with him before he goes to the World Cup about a contract extension.
"But if his heart is set on leaving, then Villa must get the absolute top price for him."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 11:35:38 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Do you really believe that, Villadawg? Honestly?
He's a good player, nobody is disagreeing with that, but better than Lampard and Gerrard at his age?
How many non-partisan observers do you think would agree with you on that?
Yes, I think Milner is as good as if not better than Gerarrd and Lampard were at the same age.
I have no doubt in my mind that Milner is one of the best young players I have ever seen.
Forget about my opinion, why is it that the richest football club in the world have made him their number one transfer target? They're non-partisan observers aren't they?
,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on May 22, 2010, 11:36:54 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
JAMES MILNER has snubbed Manchester United and told friends he wants to join their arch rivals Liverpool.
United, Chelsea and Manchester City are all desperate to land Aston Villa's 24-year-old England midfielder.
And Villa boss Martin O'Neill has demanded the Midlanders slap a massive £40million price tag on the player.
But with O'Neill also being linked to the manager's job at Anfield if Kop boss Rafa Benitez goes this summer, Milner has not ruled out a dream Liverpool move.
Sources close to Milner insisted: "Being born in Leeds, there is no way James wants to play for Manchester United.
"His preferred Premier League club is Liverpool."
But if O'Neill stays at Villa Park that option will be KO'd - leaving City and Chelsea to slug it out.
O'Neill is realistic enough to know Villa cannot compete with the money at City's disposal even if owner Randy Lerner doubles Milner's current £45,000-a-week wages.
But he doesn't want Villa to roll over when City up their offer to nearer £25m and will make City's Arab billionaires to pay through the nose in any transfer negotiations.
A source close to O'Neill said: "Martin doesn't want to start the summer feeling like he's pushing a rock up a mountain because the club have let Milner go too cheaply.
"This is a player Villa have turned into an England international, who has been one of the most consistent players in the Premier League and who has discovered a whole new role in central midfield thanks to Martin.
"To let somebody of that quality and stature go without a fight and at a price City believe is a bargan would be counter-productive.
"Nobody at Villa wants to see Milner leave and the club will speak with him before he goes to the World Cup about a contract extension.
"But if his heart is set on leaving, then Villa must get the absolute top price for him."
That's the funniest thing I've seen in quite a while.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 22, 2010, 11:37:20 PM
How do they keep a straight face whilst inventing this bullshit?
Man City I could understand because of the money involed. Man United because of the cachet involved, and the likelihood of bothering silverware on a regular basis.
But Liverpool? That must surely be up there with a return to Newcastle in terms of likeliness to happen.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 22, 2010, 11:38:32 PM
Liverpool could never afford him. Ludicrous.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on May 22, 2010, 11:40:00 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
How do they keep a straight face whilst inventing this bullshit?
Man City I could understand because of the money involed. Man United because of the cachet involved, and the likelihood of bothering silverware on a regular basis.
But Liverpool? That must surely be up there with a return to Newcastle in terms of likeliness to happen.
In fairness, they did say it was his "dream move", so it must be true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 22, 2010, 11:42:56 PM
My God, the articles really are nothing but tripe now aren't they?
Greg, if you're to be our newshound, any chance you can quote where the articles are from?
That last one smells of Mirror.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 22, 2010, 11:43:13 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
He joined Chelsea in 2001.
For someone with a fetish for stats, you aren't all that when it comes to facts and figures, are you?
So, a West Ham stalwart, the same age as Milner was this season, scored 7 goals in 54 games for Chelsea that season and finished 6th on 64 points.
What's your point?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 22, 2010, 11:47:43 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
My God, the articles really are nothing but tripe now aren't they?
Greg, if you're to be our newshound, any chance you can quote where the articles are from?
That last one smells of Mirror.
soz, notw.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 22, 2010, 11:55:57 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Liverpool could never afford him. Ludicrous.
I think there may be a degree of logic to it.
If he genuinely dislikes Manure as much as is suggested (personally I'm not sure about that one, it's one thing to have a childish dislike of a team as a youth born and raised in Leeds. Quite another to turn down the offer of competing for the best trophies at one of the few clubs where you're practically guaranteed honours.) then Liverpool are possibly the next best thing.
Famous club, solid tradition. Having a bit of a 'mare with the current owners. It would still appeal to many, the idea of being part of the movement that returns them to their former glories.
Moreso that joining a club like Citeh, who have had years of wilderness but now are throwing money about like typical nouveau riche desperadoes.
But their well documented financial difficulties precludes them, I'd have thought. Even if MON pitches up there. Unless there is a buyout before the end of August.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 23, 2010, 12:19:41 AM
Sunday papers are full of stories saying Gerrard is leaving so i'm guessing thats the reason they'd want him and have the money to afford him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2010, 12:23:17 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
He joined Chelsea in 2001.
For someone with a fetish for stats, you aren't all that when it comes to facts and figures, are you?
So, a West Ham stalwart, the same age as Milner was this season, scored 7 goals in 54 games for Chelsea that season and finished 6th on 64 points.
What's your point?
Ok.
So he joined Chelsea in 2001? Help me out on this one stat fans, but 2010 -9 = 2001. Is that right?
So that's nine years ago.
He's what, 31? So he joined Chelsea nine years ago. 31-9= ...
I have 22 years old, what does everyone else have?
From about 2002 onwards he was a key player for them. Not playing in different positions, not being rotated. The focal point of that side. 2003 seven years ago (24 years old) he was a vital part of that Chelsea side despite Abramovich rocking up and firing £50 pound notes at their rivals.
Even giving you the (extremely generous) latitude of discounting his early contribution to that side based purely on goals scored (7 and 8 in his first two seasons), how to you arrive at the conclusion that Jimmy is better than both Fat Frank and Steve G-bag at the same age?
This will be Steven Gerrard who was an England regular by 2001 (aged 20), played an instrumental role in Liverpool's treble win that same year and bagged a EC by the age of 24 (virtually dragging them back from the brink in the final single-handedly).
I admire partisan, one-eyed support on all things Villa. But your argument just doesn't stack up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 23, 2010, 01:10:27 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
He joined Chelsea in 2001.
For someone with a fetish for stats, you aren't all that when it comes to facts and figures, are you?
So, a West Ham stalwart, the same age as Milner was this season, scored 7 goals in 54 games for Chelsea that season and finished 6th on 64 points.
What's your point?
Ok.
So he joined Chelsea in 2001? Help me out on this one stat fans, but 2010 -9 = 2001. Is that right?
So that's nine years ago.
He's what, 31? So he joined Chelsea nine years ago. 31-9= ...
I have 22 years old, what does everyone else have?...
Date of birth 21-06-1978
Chelsea PL debut 19-08-2001
What do you make it now?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2010, 01:20:47 AM
By jove, he's cracked it.
I take it all back.
For the difference of a few months James Milner is indeed better than Frank Lampard, Steve Gerrard, Maradona and the Chinese boy Emperor Pǔyí at the same age.
Not impressed, VD.
Must try harder.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 23, 2010, 01:31:19 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
By jove, he's cracked it.
I take it all back.
For the difference of a few months James Milner is indeed better than Frank Lampard, Steve Gerrard, Maradona and the Chinese boy Emperor Pǔyí at the same age.
Not impressed, VD.
Must try harder.
Yeah, i can see how you won that argument, what with Maradona and the emperor and all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2010, 07:52:51 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
I'm fairly sure that when Martin brings in the removal men to re-locate this site to the new server he'll find a considerablle number of lost marbles where the settee was.
Heard similar claims before, when I said Liverpool will drop out of the top 4... Gabby will convert from a winger and make it as a centre-forward ... Milner will make a good centre-mid...
I realise it sounds smug, but when you are called a crackpot it's very tempting to remind people of it.
Well, as I remember it, you were predicting meltdown for Liverpool rather than an exit (which may be temporary) from the top four.
Converting Gabby from a winger to a centre forward is a bit of a weird one as he really only played one season out wide in the first place.
Milner had already played centrally for Newcastle several times (and their fans wanted him played there more often) and played there in his last game for them before joining us, at Coventry, where he excelled, and scored.
Other than that, I shall will you on to predict us to win the league next year, just in case you really have got something.
You remember wrong. I said Liverpool would struggle to maintain the differential between themselves and financially healthier clubs with their huge debt, plans for a new ground, and crowds that are nothing special for a club with their history, and would have to make some tough choices about paying their debts or competing. As I remember it, you said that at the first sign of them not finishing top 4, there would be a line of billionaires queueing round the block to bail them out. My answer to that was that a relatively debt-free club like Man City would perhaps be more attractive to a potential buyer.
This was what had you, Fletch and Dave Woodhall queueing up like a line of billionaires waiting to buy Liverpool, calling me a nutter, and a bit thick basically.
The Gabby stuff, I said in the summer before MON arrived, venturing that he would establish himself in the first-team as a winger, and end up a striker when he got stronger. Suggested Milner signing for us as a centre-midfielder while he was still at the Toon. 'He is NOT a central midfielder', said the sages who often educate us with their 'he is not a right-back/play people in their correct position'-type 'wisdom'.
In an case, we all venture so many opinions on here that we're bound to get some right. It was just the dismisal of mine as pie-in-the sky dreaming and a basic lack of understanding re: the eternal supremacy of Liverpool, that irked so much.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2010, 08:30:31 AM
So Milner has told friends he wants to go to Liverpool.
Surely he isnt that fucking stupid?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 23, 2010, 08:30:35 AM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
This is the bit where you go and see a head doctor
There's a good chance he'll be right IMO.
I happen to agree also.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Yossarian on May 23, 2010, 08:34:56 AM
Point of order: Milner, just like The Kaiser Chiefs, is not from Leeds but from Harrogate. I am not sure if Man Utd hatred is as big in Harrogate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 23, 2010, 09:08:57 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
So Milner has told friends he wants to go to Liverpool.
Surely he isnt that fucking stupid?
Must have the same circle of friends as Gareth Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 23, 2010, 09:50:56 AM
Christ, Percy, nobody thought you were a bit "thick"
Uncharacteristicslly touchy there.
And no, the argument want that there would be a queue of billionaire waiting should they finish outside the top four. It was that there would always be someone waiting to buy them if they were about to implode. Which they are not. Sadly.
Incidentally how are they meant to get better crowds than they do now in a ground which isn't big enough?
Again, Miner had already played several times through the middle at Newcastle and their fans largely rated him there (I know a few Newcastle fans and they all said this) so you really don't have to be Nostradamus to have picked that one out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 23, 2010, 10:06:24 AM
To be fair paulie, i think you are one of the fairer, less judgemental posters on here, i'm sure Perc, like all of us has made some fairly outlandish statements in the heat of the moment, and now takes great pleasure in pointing out to his then critics, that he was actually quite right.
I was never a big fan of Milner when playing wide, but fair play to MON, he looks a better player ijn the middle.Not sure Petrov is the player to play alongside him, or if he should play in a 5 man midfield, but hes no Gerrard/Lampard, or even a Cowans.He does'nt dominate a game, he has a nice pass, and a good shot, but we don't see it enough to suggest a £30m price tag.If we get anywhere near £30m, or even better the opportunity to get players like Onohua,/Ireland/Richards/Hart/SWP, then i think for OUR club to move forward then we have to do a deal.Good Luck to Milner, a beacon of integrity atm in the world of football, but we need better players in the team atm, and selling Milner is probably the only opportunity we will have this summer to get the kind of players in we need.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 23, 2010, 10:10:39 AM
I never wanted him playing through the middle and i still don't think he gives us enough there and the right balance. I think him and Petrov leave us exposed and we struggle to get the ball back when we lose it, and to then keep it. I also thought that making Petrov captain was a mistake because it made him undroppable and limited what we could do in the centre. I als thought it would affect the balance in a 4-4-2.
I also thought the capacity of Villa Park needed more insight and exploration.
Still, some you win.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 23, 2010, 10:22:35 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Christ, Percy, nobody thought you were a bit "thick"
Uncharacteristicslly touchy there.
To be fair, Fletch admitted it at the time.
Re: Liverpool's crowds, they got 37,000 for a league game towards the end of the season.
Not claiming unique foresight re: Milner's position, just pointing out that was one occasion when my sanity was called into question.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on May 23, 2010, 10:23:29 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
I also thought the capacity of Villa Park needed more insight and exploration.
Did you manage to find out what the capacity was during your recent sabbatical?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 23, 2010, 10:23:35 AM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
To be fair paulie, i think you are one of the fairer, less judgemental posters on here, i'm sure Perc, like all of us has made some fairly outlandish statements in the heat of the moment, and now takes great pleasure in pointing out to his then critics, that he was actually quite right.
I was never a big fan of Milner when playing wide, but fair play to MON, he looks a better player ijn the middle.Not sure Petrov is the player to play alongside him, or if he should play in a 5 man midfield, but hes no Gerrard/Lampard, or even a Cowans.He does'nt dominate a game, he has a nice pass, and a good shot, but we don't see it enough to suggest a £30m price tag.If we get anywhere near £30m, or even better the opportunity to get players like Onohua,/Ireland/Richards/Hart/SWP, then i think for OUR club to move forward then we have to do a deal.Good Luck to Milner, a beacon of integrity atm in the world of football, but we need better players in the team atm, and selling Milner is probably the only opportunity we will have this summer to get the kind of players in we need.
Exactly what I think so thanks for putting it so well. Nice guy, great attitude (though in truth only what any footballer's attitude should be), good player, may become a very good one or not but doesn't show the potential for me to do so like Gerrard and Lampard did at about the same stage in their development (despite the microscopic analysis of comparative dates on here). When I want a balanced opinion about us or any of our players, I ask impartial friends or relatives and their thoughts on Milner are that £30m or the equivalent in players plus a cash balance is a fantastic deal. They can't see how he is remotely worth that and I agree...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 23, 2010, 10:26:57 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Do you really believe that, Villadawg? Honestly?
He's a good player, nobody is disagreeing with that, but better than Lampard and Gerrard at his age?
How many non-partisan observers do you think would agree with you on that?
Not me for one. To claim Milner is anywhere near as good as Lampard or Gerrard at the same age or thereabouts is utter pie in the sky. I don't enjoy saying that either as I hate them both. As paulie says, try asking an impartial observer...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid1964 on May 23, 2010, 10:41:26 AM
Just been told by someone who works at the club that MILNER has made his mind up and wants to go.
Milner has told the club that he wants to play at the very highest level for both club and country - by the sounds of it he could be off to Chelsea /Man Utd but dont rule out Arsenal if they sell fabregas
I am dissapointed if the above is true but, I have seen players come and go before (e.g Cowans, Andy Gray, etc...)
I just hope if we do get the type of money that is being talked about £25 million+ that we dont sign Carlton Cole, and we really go after top class players
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on May 23, 2010, 10:45:31 AM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Christ, Percy, nobody thought you were a bit "thick"
Uncharacteristicslly touchy there.
To be fair, Fletch admitted it at the time.
Re: Liverpool's crowds, they got 37,000 for a league game towards the end of the season.
Not claiming unique foresight re: Milner's position, just pointing out that was one occasion when my sanity was called into question.
Wish I hadn't said anything now. Wasn't aimed at you Percy*, was meant to be vaguely light-hearted (though as with any message board there are a few contributors who seem to have at least one foot in another dimension. e,g, some of the views re: AC/DC).
* for the record I don't think you're crazy but neither are you the heir to Evadne Price.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ktvillan on May 23, 2010, 11:34:13 AM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Delph will be better than Milner, and not far off as good as Gerrard.
This is the bit where you go and see a head doctor
There's a good chance he'll be right IMO.
I happen to agree also.
Me too as long as he gets some decent coaching and development along the way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2010, 11:47:21 AM
I would not begrudge him United of Chelsea. Arsenal are on a downward spiral without Fabregas and without selling to the people who want to buy them, Hill-Wood is holding them back, so he would be mad to go there. Citeh I can understand, they will throw cash at it till they succeed, but if it was City I would want 10 million more than to the other two.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Kid Loco on May 23, 2010, 11:49:34 AM
25m and Ireland 'could' happen according to the Mercury. I like Ireland but the thought of him and Petrov as a midfield two does scare me a bit. He's hardly a renowned 'team' player is he?
And we all know Petrov's legs have gone, which is why Milner had to cover so much ground last season doing a lot of defending and attacking
Best solution would be to keep Milner and just buy Ireland and pair them up!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 23, 2010, 12:09:55 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Do you really believe that, Villadawg? Honestly?
He's a good player, nobody is disagreeing with that, but better than Lampard and Gerrard at his age?
How many non-partisan observers do you think would agree with you on that?
Not me for one. To claim Milner is anywhere near as good as Lampard or Gerrard at the same age or thereabouts is utter pie in the sky. I don't enjoy saying that either as I hate them both. As paulie says, try asking an impartial observer...
Possibly not Gerrard who is one of the few world class players this country has produced in recent years but he's easily the equal of Lampard at the same age. When he left West Ham it wasn't Manu and Liverpool competing for his signature it was us and Chelsea neither of who were top level sides at the time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ktvillan on May 23, 2010, 12:45:07 PM
Milner is nowhere near what Gerrard was aged 20. I have to say I could never see what all the fuss was with Lampard until the last 3-4 seasons, where he has looked excellent. Even then he's hardly ever shone for England.
I'm surprised Milner is so in demand, he's good but I don't think he's as awesome as some seem to. I'm more concerned at the prospect of another long drawn out summer witnessing O'Neill trying to replace him and the other players we are set to offload. I think if we could get 20+m and the excellent, if slightly unstable, Ireland and/or another player in the deal we'll have done well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2010, 12:57:26 PM
Quote from: "Kid Loco"
25m and Ireland 'could' happen according to the Mercury.
In the Mercury, so large bags of salt required et.c.
But if the offer was anywhere close to that I'd take it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2010, 12:57:53 PM
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Gareth on May 23, 2010, 01:04:44 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
Would break their arms off for that deal!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2010, 01:23:06 PM
I don't think there is a huge amount between them ability-wise.
It's all about the timing.
Jimmy has just come off the back of a good season whereas Ireland has fallen out of favour with a new manager.
Go back 12 months and you might have seen those figures touted -only in reverse.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2010, 01:55:28 PM
Totally Kevin, exactly why we should do it. 25 and Ireland would be a brilliant deal for us, as we can still sign a striker and a right back with that, while almost certaibly still being able to raise enough for maybe Daime from Wigan and Bentley. Need to get a lot of creative midfielders in to break sides down at home, as well as a top striker.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 23, 2010, 02:04:21 PM
Quote from: "Barton"
Point of order: Milner, just like The Kaiser Chiefs, is not from Leeds but from Harrogate. I am not sure if Man Utd hatred is as big in Harrogate.
Objection. He's not from Harrogate, he's a Leeds lad. The K****r C****s are most certainly not from Harrogate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: usav on May 23, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
That would actually mean MON playing NRC, a task that seems beyond him most of the time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2010, 02:10:19 PM
I do like the look of Diame.
Him alongside Petrov would give our midfield real backbone. We could do with extra height in the middle of the park.
It might also do away with the need to play Cuellar at RB, as part of that justification seems to be the additional security he gives us defending set pieces.
If we have Dunne, Collins, Diame and one of Ivanhoe or Carew we should be plenty covered in that dept.
Not sure Wigan would consider selling for anything less than ridiculous money though (and why should they?). There is also Alou Diarra at Bordeaux who plays a similar role. I'm sure there are others too. Diame was at Rayo Vallecano little over 12 months ago, we'd do well to get on at the ground floor occasionally, poach these players ourselves before they become widely known.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TelfordVilla on May 23, 2010, 02:37:43 PM
Quote from: sid1964
Just been told by someone who works at the club that MILNER has made his mind up and wants to go.
Milner has told the club that he wants to play at the very highest level for both club and country - by the sounds of it he could be off to Chelsea /Man Utd but dont rule out Arsenal if they sell fabregas
How realistic is it, that a players private thoughts are freely available to any Tom, Dick or Harry who just happens to have a part time role at the club ? Any one who starts a post with "someone said" or "I heard from blah blah" is just gossip spreading and should carefully consider if this drivel is really worth sharing with a wider public.
This transfer is going to drag on like Barrygate and could run for another two years. £30m to ordinary people is a huge amount of money but in the crazy world of the premier league is not very much at all. It doesnt matter what Milner is actually worth, or how good or how crap he is, or what his potential is. It certainly doesnt matter whether he is as good or better than Fat frank or stevie "fall down" G. He is a Villa player and if money bags Citeh want to buy him, Villa set the price not market value or common sence. arsenal say Fabergas will cost you £50m because that way they get big money or keep their player. Villa can say Milner will cost YOU (richest tw~t in the football world) £100m. It doesnt matter whether he is actually worth it or not. It's supply and demand.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tommy_boy on May 23, 2010, 02:43:08 PM
First of all if Milner is willing to sign an extension, we should keep with any cost.
If he decides to leave, I want 35m at least. Or 25-30m+Ireland/Richards.
Hope he stays though. He owes Villa and MON a lot. But wouldn't blame him either. The money is tempting. He will get at least 100k at City. Here, he will get 80k tops.
We are a big club, and we can survive the absence of Milner- like we did with Barry's departure. A combination of players like Ireland, Bentley, Jenas, Noble, Keane, S Fletcher, Rodallega, Richards can provide a better chance to break in the top4.. can't know for sure But this time it's about proving we are not a selling club. Especially to one of our main rivals. We have to prove to other clubs that we are serious.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: CJ on May 23, 2010, 03:11:22 PM
Unfortunately tommy_boy there's no loyalty in football or footballers any more so no matter how much we think he owes Villa/MON it counts for nothing as far as players are concerned.
For what it's worth I still think he'll go to Man Utd for around £25m, and I could accept that as he would have a better chance of winning something there and it represents a good fit for his style of football. A move to Citeh just makes him a mercenary like Barry and could threaten his England place with the number of midfielders they're hoovering up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Kid Loco on May 23, 2010, 03:25:04 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
I don't think there is a huge amount between them ability-wise.
Maybe not, but they are totally different types of player. Can't see how you could fill Milner's role with Ireland
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 23, 2010, 03:28:09 PM
Quote from: "Kid Loco"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
I don't think there is a huge amount between them ability-wise.
Maybe not, but they are totally different types of player. Can't see how you could fill Milner's role with Ireland
Totally different is stretching it. Every player is different and unique and CMs play different roles at their different clubs, but, when he was in the team, Ireland was talismanic for City in the same way James is talismanic for us. The ball finds him in the centre. What he does with it might be different, but we can't spend our time looking to trade like for like. Ireland is a good player. Milner is a good player. Are they different players? Of course. Should we want the one to replace other if he goes? In my opinion, yes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Kid Loco on May 23, 2010, 03:31:16 PM
Milner's energy is the main benefit to our side. His non stop engine both going forward and back. He probably covers more grass than 2 players in one game, adding a valuable bite to our side
Ireland to me is the absolute opposite
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on May 23, 2010, 03:41:12 PM
Quote from: "Kid Loco"
Milner's energy is the main benefit to our side. His non stop engine both going forward and back. He probably covers more grass than 2 players in one game, adding a valuable bite to our side
Ireland to me is the absolute opposite
That's fair. But equally fair would be to say that Ireland makes up for that by scoring more goals than Milner (penalties notwithstanding).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Kid Loco on May 23, 2010, 03:47:37 PM
True, but lets say we add those goals. The gaping hole left by Milner would still be gaping and like a green light signal for the oppositions midfield to steamroller though
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2010, 03:50:16 PM
Quote from: "Kid Loco"
Milner's energy is the main benefit to our side. His non stop engine both going forward and back. He probably covers more grass than 2 players in one game, adding a valuable bite to our side
Ireland to me is the absolute opposite
Dunno about that.
Ireland spent pre season a few years back bulking up and working on his stamina. Wasn't instructed to, just done it of his own bat.
A feature of his Player of The Year campaign a few years back were regular lung-busting runs to get on the end of things in the box. He can also pass with imagination, do the unexpected. A player like that is always worth his weight in gold (or pimped out pink Audi's).
He might not be exactly the same type of player Jimmy is, but what he has could be very good for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 23, 2010, 03:51:27 PM
Ireland is perhaps slightly more creative and limited to an attacking midfield role. Milner is all round a better player with far more dimensions to his game. The pair could play well together and hopefully will.
But in no way is Ireland a replacement for Milner. The best you could say is that he'd cover one facet of Milners game admirably if he can keep his head together.
Its not beyond the relams of fantasy to say we could get Ireland and reshape the midfield to suit him with the extra money from Milners sale but we'd need to buy some bloody good player(s).
I still think the best solution is to get Ireland to play with Milner and pick up Kallstrom on a free as a good alternative to both and also an option for a three man midfield. Our passing from the midfield would be great.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 23, 2010, 03:52:15 PM
If you buy Ireland, or a player like him, you have to play a 4-5-1 system, or drop one of the "wingers", and play narrower as a team.
For me that system suits us, and i think Ireland would fit well into our team.
I hope , if Milner goes, he goes to Citeeeh......i think the players, and the money they offer us, suits us more than Chelsk, or Ure.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 23, 2010, 04:04:59 PM
I'd like to think we'd start experimenting with three man midfield's and all the rest of it.
But MON seems very unwilling to drop 4-4-2, barring injury.
With that in mind a midfield of
-----------Petrov ---Diame/Diarra/ An other---------- -Ireland----------------------------------------Ash
Would go a long way to addressing some of the major issues we faced last year.
Petrov and another DM providing the stability at the back . This might even free up Petrov to move further upfield where his passing could have more of an impact. At the moment he has to pass with a fair degree of caution as he's usually the last man. Minimal risk being the order of the day. But he can vary it, and is capable of some very imaginative passing. He has that in his locker.
Ireland has played RM for Citeh before, but not RM in the truest sense. He was generally at his best when he started out wide either on the left or right, but with the freedom to drift infield and find gaps to exploit.
With the platform the two behind him would give, he could do that. Station Ash out on the left as our orthodox out-and-out winger, rather than dicking him about crossing flanks. It was a decent enough idea, but resulted in both Downing and Ash being less than effective.
Overall result is we'd have a lot more variation and be a lot less predictable.
Throw a decent striker into the mix, ie someone who actually wants to get into the penalty area and make things happen and we'd be in a pretty healthy position.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Kid Loco on May 23, 2010, 04:14:54 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I still think the best solution is to get Ireland to play with Milner
Agreed. Especially as we know he's available
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 23, 2010, 04:30:32 PM
I think Ireland is the more technically gifted player, while Milner has far more industry in his play. I think we could do with keeping NRC or at least replace him with somebody who has that energy level to compliment him.
As has been said, with say £25 million and £15-20 million off Randy, we’d be able to get a real high quality striker in, a better right back than Luke and a couple of creative/attacking midfielder types, such as Benayoun or Bentley to give us extra depth.
As much as I’d like to keep Milner, if the only way we can get three or four good quality attacking options in is to sell him, then that’s what we have to do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2010, 05:27:01 PM
Agree with the 4-5-1 comments. Petrov, NRC and Ireland with Gabby Ashley and a Benayoun type going forward would be pretty exciting to watch IMO.
Get someone like Diame, Diarra (the other one at Real, not Lassana, although did he not fall out with Jose once at Chelsea so may be on the path out of Madrid) and start playing the way the other clubs that are in that top 5 play, 4-3-3 with options to move about and be fluid. Puts less need on big bucks for a striker as Gabby as shown he is at his best alone up top. A second striker can play Anelka esque drifting from a touchline. We have to be mnore tactically versatile, whether Milner stays or goes. If he goes though, I would agree with Maz that it is an opportunity to re style the way we go forward, which would not be a bad thing.
And please, no more Kevin Doyle for 15 million suggestions, I need a lie down before any more of them!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2010, 05:28:03 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree with the 4-5-1 comments. Petrov, NRC and Ireland with Gabby Ashley and a Benayoun type going forward would be pretty exciting to watch IMO.
It would be exciting, as long as Ashley Young doesn't just constantly be ball greedy and over hit every cross.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2010, 05:30:53 PM
I think it got the best from Young 18 months ago, so no reason to think he would. Still think we should offer Harry a straight swap of Downing for Bentley, and stop messing about with Young on the right.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: codyvillan on May 23, 2010, 05:37:26 PM
i think some of ireland's flair and creativity would be very useful in addressing our problems winning games at home!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 23, 2010, 05:37:52 PM
Tbh as stated yday, i would swap the 4 Citeeeh players for Milner,...SWP, Ireland,Onohua, and Richards.Sell the likes of LYoung, NRC etc, sell Cuellar, and Carew as well, raise some money and buy 2 good attacking players.
That would have a team as
Brad
Onohua...........Collins Dunne Warnock
Richards Petrov?
SWP Ireland Ashley
Gabby
Add to that 2 quality players, not a bad team tbh
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 23, 2010, 05:40:20 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
I think it got the best from Young 18 months ago, so no reason to think he would. Still think we should offer Harry a straight swap of Downing for Bentley, and stop messing about with Young on the right.
I prefer Young on the right. On the left he tries to beat the man one too many times, always has to double back on himself. He very rarely uses his left foot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Small Rodent on May 23, 2010, 06:13:15 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
In an case, we all venture so many opinions on here that we're bound to get some right. It was just the dismisal of mine as pie-in-the sky dreaming and a basic lack of understanding re: the eternal supremacy of Liverpool, that irked so much.
But my mate did call Paul Weller a c**t!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Kid Loco on May 23, 2010, 06:15:41 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Tbh as stated yesterday, i would swap the 4 Citeeeh players for Milner,...SWP, Ireland,Onohua, and Richards
Not for me. Richards is a joke and we dont need another winger (SWP)
Wouldnt say no to Onohua as some back up to Carlos but i doubt he'd swap one bench for another.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Small Rodent on May 23, 2010, 06:17:42 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
He does'nt dominate a game, he has a nice pass, and a good shot, but we don't see it enough to suggest a £30m price tag.If we get anywhere near £30m, or even better the opportunity to get players like Onohua,/Ireland/Richards/Hart/SWP, then i think for OUR club to move forward then we have to do a deal.Good Luck to Milner, a beacon of integrity atm in the world of football, but we need better players in the team atm, and selling Milner is probably the only opportunity we will have this summer to get the kind of players in we need.
I agree. I saw a bloke running in Kennington Park wearing a Villa shirt the other day. Was it you? He was an ugly c**t!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on May 23, 2010, 06:47:00 PM
Compareed to you Small One.....no doubt we are all c***s.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 23, 2010, 07:05:06 PM
Ireland certainly scores more goals than Milner from open play, I'm not sure why that's up to debate? Season 08/09, Ireland scored 9 league goals and he dosen't take penalties.
Outside of Milner, no one contributes goals from central midfield. Petrov has scored one league goal in two seasons, NRC rarely scores and Sidwell...well enough said.
Ideally you'd have Milner and Petrov as the two central midfielders and Ireland as the link man to the forward but if it has to be Ireland for Milner again not so bad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 23, 2010, 07:07:00 PM
I think Ireland could be an excellent player for us. If it was £25 million plus Ireland i'd take it. If not i'd sign him anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 23, 2010, 07:49:22 PM
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
That would actually mean MON playing NRC, a task that seems beyond him most of the time.
Spot on, other than the 70 odd games he's started for us he's hardly featured.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on May 23, 2010, 08:04:39 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
That would actually mean MON playing NRC, a task that seems beyond him most of the time.
Spot on, other than the 70 odd games he's started for us he's hardly featured.
The issue is that once you get on the wrong side of MON then there appears no way back.NRC has hardly figured since his run in with MON-for some reason Luke Young has had similar problems & I wonder how many more points we'd have secured last season had Carew started instead of Heskey.
MON's man management does not appear to be the best-I'd hate to think what would have happened had MON been at the helm when McGrath was here.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ktvillan on May 23, 2010, 08:11:20 PM
Odd that so many people seem to accept Petrov is so fundamental to any possible new midfield combination. His legs have gone, he can't manage more than 60 minutes, can barely manage a forward pass let a lone a shot at goal, and he really aint all that. I'd be more than happy to see him shipped out and replaced.
As for Ireland, when he came on as sub for City at VP last season he changed the game and ran the game. For me he's a very good player and a more than adequate replacement for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2010, 08:12:58 PM
I imagine Citeh value Ireland at about £15m. If there is to be a cash+swap deal we would be lucky to get £15m. Obviously it depends on how much they want Milner and we all know they have deep pockets. £25m plus Ireland is dreamland though. Not going to happen.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 23, 2010, 08:29:17 PM
YOu say that Eamonn, but common thought is their latest is 20 million and Ireland, so its edging up there! They seem to rate him at 8-12 by reports of him leaving go, so maybe not quite as out there.
Chris - smart comments about the 70 odd games re Nigel Reo Coker, but in reality he has started how many last season in the league? Even counting for injury, after spending 8.5 million on him, leaving him out when the squad needed rotating badly last season was poor management. More frustrating, he was great in the 5-0 home against Bolton and man of the match at Anfield.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on May 23, 2010, 08:31:03 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Kid Loco"
Milner's energy is the main benefit to our side. His non stop engine both going forward and back. He probably covers more grass than 2 players in one game, adding a valuable bite to our side
Ireland to me is the absolute opposite
Dunno about that.
Ireland spent pre season a few years back bulking up and working on his stamina. Wasn't instructed to, just done it of his own bat.
A feature of his Player of The Year campaign a few years back were regular lung-busting runs to get on the end of things in the box. He can also pass with imagination, do the unexpected. A player like that is always worth his weight in gold (or pimped out pink Audi's).
He might not be exactly the same type of player Jimmy is, but what he has could be very good for us.
Good points made, but just to point out that it was only the season before the one just ended (2008/09) that he was their player of the year and the pre-season at the start of that campaign that helped him have such a successful season. So it's just this season where he's not climbed the heights of last year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nastylee on May 23, 2010, 09:15:34 PM
Whatever happens to Milner we cannot start the season with Petrov as first choice. He's a spent force and needs replacing if we are to compete again next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 23, 2010, 09:18:29 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Ideally you'd have Milner and Petrov as the two central midfielders and Ireland as the link man to the forward but if it has to be Ireland for Milner again not so bad.
I assume you mean Martin Petrov?
Ideally Stilyan Petrov will be playing for Blackpool or some such side next year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on May 24, 2010, 03:30:45 AM
Quote from: "Ads"
I think Ireland is the more technically gifted player, while Milner has far more industry in his play. I think we could do with keeping NRC or at least replace him with somebody who has that energy level to compliment him.
As has been said, with say £25 million and £15-20 million off Randy, we’d be able to get a real high quality striker in, a better right back than Luke and a couple of creative/attacking midfielder types, such as Benayoun or Bentley to give us extra depth.
As much as I’d like to keep Milner, if the only way we can get three or four good quality attacking options in is to sell him, then that’s what we have to do.
Agree with most comments but Luke Young is as good a right back as anyone in the premeire ship ................
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: usav on May 24, 2010, 04:00:37 AM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
That would actually mean MON playing NRC, a task that seems beyond him most of the time.
Spot on, other than the 70 odd games he's started for us he's hardly featured.
The issue is that once you get on the wrong side of MON then there appearsher way back.
Mr Smith knows that, he's just maintaining his stereotype.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 24, 2010, 08:47:05 AM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
That would actually mean MON playing NRC, a task that seems beyond him most of the time.
Spot on, other than the 70 odd games he's started for us he's hardly featured.
The issue is that once you get on the wrong side of MON then there appears no way back.NRC has hardly figured since his run in with MON-for some reason Luke Young has had similar problems & I wonder how many more points we'd have secured last season had Carew started instead of Heskey.
MON's man management does not appear to be the best-I'd hate to think what would have happened had MON been at the helm when McGrath was here.
He played and even captained the side after his bust up with MON. He then got injured and was out for several months.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 24, 2010, 08:48:08 AM
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
That would actually mean MON playing NRC, a task that seems beyond him most of the time.
Spot on, other than the 70 odd games he's started for us he's hardly featured.
The issue is that once you get on the wrong side of MON then there appearsher way back.
Mr Smith knows that, he's just maintaining his stereotype.
Mr Smith is just sticking to the facts, you should give it a try.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on May 24, 2010, 08:52:11 AM
Chris, you are, as ever arguing a point even you must know you are wrong on, yet are still arguing it. You must get a strange kick out of it or just be a disagreeable chap for the sake of it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 24, 2010, 08:58:57 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Chris, you are, as ever arguing a point even you must know you are wrong on, yet are still arguing it. You must get a strange kick out of it or just be a disagreeable chap for the sake of it.
I am not wrong. I've just stuck to the facts.
He has been injured for several months but before that featured regularly. Everyone is assuming that he wouldn't have played had he been fit but as I said he was in the side and was even captain after the bust up so it is just speculation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 24, 2010, 09:04:19 AM
Quote from: "ktvillan"
Odd that so many people seem to accept Petrov is so fundamental to any possible new midfield combination. His legs have gone, he can't manage more than 60 minutes, can barely manage a forward pass let a lone a shot at goal, and he really aint all that. I'd be more than happy to see him shipped out and replaced.
As for Ireland, when he came on as sub for City at VP last season he changed the game and ran the game. For me he's a very good player and a more than adequate replacement for Milner.
I think Petrov would make a very good squad player, ideal for coming on for the last half-hour when we are ahead to calm the game and keep possession. Agree that he maybe should not be first choice. Agree about Ireland too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 24, 2010, 09:21:46 AM
Surprised that everyone conveniently overlooks the fact that NRC cannot pass a ball and makes the wrong decisions to often when running through with it. Don't get me wrong, I like him as I think he brings some energy to our midfield but we spend too often without the ball. I argue to non-Villa mates too often that its our counter-attacking tactic when the truth is that we struggle to get the ball back and then keep it.
Petrov, for all his faults, never gives the ball away when he has it. I din't think he offers a great deal else in all honesty and certainly doesn't add vigour.
NRC adds the vigour but without the ability to start a move and keep the ball. He can break up attacks better though.
So we're somewhere in between. I think neither of them are good enough and if NRC was to go it wouldn't be to an Everton but a Blackburn. Same as Stan. We need to look upwards towards better players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2010, 09:35:49 AM
Ideally I'd love a midfield with Ireland and Milner. Sadly, City won't give us a sniff of any of their lot unless we sell them Milner. I'd rather keep him. He's our player, we know how good he is, what he offers.
For all the good 30 mill would be, we still have to go through the uncertainty of finding a decent replacement. And I've said before, and stand by it, Milner would need two players in his place. Because I don't think there's a player out there who'd come here, that can offer all of Jimmys attributes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2010, 09:45:48 AM
If they offered £30m + Ireland then I'd snap their hands off.
Sign A Striker, Scott Parker & Yossi Benayoun.
We would be a better team.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 24, 2010, 10:27:19 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Chris, you are, as ever arguing a point even you must know you are wrong on, yet are still arguing it. You must get a strange kick out of it or just be a disagreeable chap for the sake of it.
I am not wrong. I've just stuck to the facts.
He has been injured for several months but before that featured regularly. Everyone is assuming that he wouldn't have played had he been fit but as I said he was in the side and was even captain after the bust up so it is just speculation.
After the bust up with MON in September he started the grand total of 3 league games before getting injured in January.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: OldUser on May 24, 2010, 11:13:49 AM
NRC is great, it's just a shame he has pinball flippers for feet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 24, 2010, 11:28:04 AM
He's a crap footballer, but he's quite useful to throw in the middle and say "be awkward" every now and then.
Well, I remember thinking that a few times last season, anyway
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 24, 2010, 11:30:03 AM
He's not a crap footballer just limited in his usefulness.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on May 24, 2010, 11:34:58 AM
I actually thought pre-season and early season, Nigel had improved his distribution a lot. He was keeping it simple and acted with more composure on the ball. His frustration early on was probably due to playing well when he played but then being dropped. Particularly I thought he was awesome against Juve in the peace cup, and Liverpool against Anfield. He did after all skipper pretty much a youth side to a tournement win agaist decent opposition, albeit pre-season. Then to have Sidwell ahead of him in the pecking order, was not fair.
If he plays the game within his limitations, and doesn't try to be too clever with the ball, he can be a great asset. Often this season when Stans died at 70 minutes, we could have used him, but sadly he was injured.
I'd like to see him get a shot at it again here, but I think a decent offer will see him depart.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 24, 2010, 11:58:36 AM
Awesome against Juve during the season is totally different to being awesome against a team a month behind us in terms of fitness and preparation for the start of the new season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on May 24, 2010, 12:18:44 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "usav"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Agree totally, we should say 25 and Ireland and get it sorted, then we don't have to spend all summer worrying about it and have a replacement in. I actually think IReland and NRC could be more effective than Milner and Petrov, but we will see.
That would actually mean MON playing NRC, a task that seems beyond him most of the time.
Spot on, other than the 70 odd games he's started for us he's hardly featured.
The issue is that once you get on the wrong side of MON then there appears no way back.NRC has hardly figured since his run in with MON-for some reason Luke Young has had similar problems & I wonder how many more points we'd have secured last season had Carew started instead of Heskey.
MON's man management does not appear to be the best-I'd hate to think what would have happened had MON been at the helm when McGrath was here.
He played and even captained the side after his bust up with MON. He then got injured and was out for several months.
He was captain for one game, then dropped again if i remember rightly, which was a bit pointless.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namaste on May 24, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
£30 million plus Richards or Ireland. We spend the £30 million trying to get a twenty-goal a season striker. Couldn't be simpler?
I'd much rather tell them "no sale" though in all honesty.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on May 24, 2010, 05:58:29 PM
i know footballs gone mad, but no one is going to be offering 30 mill plus a load of good players for James Millner its not going to happen,
the same as we were never going to get Jose Mourinho as our manager, or sign Wesley Sneijder last season.
lets get at least a little bit real
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 24, 2010, 06:03:31 PM
Quote from: "john e"
i know footballs gone mad, but no one is going to be offering 30 mill plus a load of good players for James Millner its not going to happen
That's also fine by me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 24, 2010, 06:06:05 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Surprised that everyone conveniently overlooks the fact that NRC cannot pass a ball and makes the wrong decisions to often when running through with it. Don't get me wrong, I like him as I think he brings some energy to our midfield but we spend too often without the ball. I argue to non-Villa mates too often that its our counter-attacking tactic when the truth is that we struggle to get the ball back and then keep it.
Petrov, for all his faults, never gives the ball away when he has it. I din't think he offers a great deal else in all honesty and certainly doesn't add vigour.
NRC adds the vigour but without the ability to start a move and keep the ball. He can break up attacks better though.
So we're somewhere in between. I think neither of them are good enough and if NRC was to go it wouldn't be to an Everton but a Blackburn. Same as Stan. We need to look upwards towards better players.
I really do wonder what some people watch.
Ask Chris, he's fond of facts, even if they are chosen carefully. Petrov regularly gives the ball away, several goals have come from it, he continually miss places passes, and considering most of them are sideways or backwards that takes some doing.
NRC is a decent passer of the ball as his stats showed last year and he gets into the danger area more often than most certainly more than Petrov, is a far better holding player than Petrov and only suffers the stigma of being Mon's whipping stick while Petrov gains from being his .......well I'd better not say on a public forum .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: OldUser on May 24, 2010, 06:10:59 PM
Stone the crows, you're at it again. Such a pleasure to read the drivel so often.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2010, 06:18:41 PM
I'd go with peter w there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 24, 2010, 06:51:10 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "peter w"
Surprised that everyone conveniently overlooks the fact that NRC cannot pass a ball and makes the wrong decisions to often when running through with it. Don't get me wrong, I like him as I think he brings some energy to our midfield but we spend too often without the ball. I argue to non-Villa mates too often that its our counter-attacking tactic when the truth is that we struggle to get the ball back and then keep it.
Petrov, for all his faults, never gives the ball away when he has it. I din't think he offers a great deal else in all honesty and certainly doesn't add vigour.
NRC adds the vigour but without the ability to start a move and keep the ball. He can break up attacks better though.
So we're somewhere in between. I think neither of them are good enough and if NRC was to go it wouldn't be to an Everton but a Blackburn. Same as Stan. We need to look upwards towards better players.
I really do wonder what some people watch.
Ask Chris, he's fond of facts, even if they are chosen carefully. Petrov regularly gives the ball away, several goals have come from it, he continually miss places passes, and considering most of them are sideways or backwards that takes some doing.
NRC is a decent passer of the ball as his stats showed last year and he gets into the danger area more often than most certainly more than Petrov, is a far better holding player than Petrov and only suffers the stigma of being Mon's whipping stick while Petrov gains from being his .......well I'd better not say on a public forum .
I'm all for analysing these things objective with stats/facts but you do have to actually pay some attention to what the stats reveal.
According to the Telegraph player stats Petrov has created more chances and had more shots on goal this season alone than NRC has in the past 3 seasons. I like Nigel but I've always considered him a destroyer rather than a creator.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 24, 2010, 06:56:58 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "peter w"
Surprised that everyone conveniently overlooks the fact that NRC cannot pass a ball and makes the wrong decisions to often when running through with it. Don't get me wrong, I like him as I think he brings some energy to our midfield but we spend too often without the ball. I argue to non-Villa mates too often that its our counter-attacking tactic when the truth is that we struggle to get the ball back and then keep it.
Petrov, for all his faults, never gives the ball away when he has it. I din't think he offers a great deal else in all honesty and certainly doesn't add vigour.
NRC adds the vigour but without the ability to start a move and keep the ball. He can break up attacks better though.
So we're somewhere in between. I think neither of them are good enough and if NRC was to go it wouldn't be to an Everton but a Blackburn. Same as Stan. We need to look upwards towards better players.
I really do wonder what some people watch.
Ask Chris, he's fond of facts, even if they are chosen carefully. Petrov regularly gives the ball away, several goals have come from it, he continually miss places passes, and considering most of them are sideways or backwards that takes some doing.
NRC is a decent passer of the ball as his stats showed last year and he gets into the danger area more often than most certainly more than Petrov, is a far better holding player than Petrov and only suffers the stigma of being Mon's whipping stick while Petrov gains from being his .......well I'd better not say on a public forum .
You're just wrong but there's little point arguing with you because you'll just continue to invent things to suit your petty little agenda.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 24, 2010, 07:02:35 PM
Milner is that good in the middle, Capello is starting him on the left. With Carrick in the middle with Gerrard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on May 24, 2010, 07:10:34 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "peter w"
Surprised that everyone conveniently overlooks the fact that NRC cannot pass a ball and makes the wrong decisions to often when running through with it. Don't get me wrong, I like him as I think he brings some energy to our midfield but we spend too often without the ball. I argue to non-Villa mates too often that its our counter-attacking tactic when the truth is that we struggle to get the ball back and then keep it.
Petrov, for all his faults, never gives the ball away when he has it. I din't think he offers a great deal else in all honesty and certainly doesn't add vigour.
NRC adds the vigour but without the ability to start a move and keep the ball. He can break up attacks better though.
So we're somewhere in between. I think neither of them are good enough and if NRC was to go it wouldn't be to an Everton but a Blackburn. Same as Stan. We need to look upwards towards better players.
I really do wonder what some people watch.
Ask Chris, he's fond of facts, even if they are chosen carefully. Petrov regularly gives the ball away, several goals have come from it, he continually miss places passes, and considering most of them are sideways or backwards that takes some doing.
NRC is a decent passer of the ball as his stats showed last year and he gets into the danger area more often than most certainly more than Petrov, is a far better holding player than Petrov and only suffers the stigma of being Mon's whipping stick while Petrov gains from being his .......well I'd better not say on a public forum .
And that brings me nicely to my next point.
Kids, do not smoke crack.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 24, 2010, 07:33:59 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Milner is that good in the middle, Capello is starting him on the left. With Carrick in the middle with Gerrard.
They're both playing holding midfield.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 24, 2010, 07:34:01 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Milner is that good in the middle, Capello is starting him on the left. With Carrick in the middle with Gerrard.
Is that definite? Gerrard usually plays on the left for England.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 24, 2010, 08:17:38 PM
Looks like he's starting out left.
Might move infield at h/t.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 25, 2010, 12:27:41 PM
After the stories coming out in todays media its beginning to have a similar look and feel to the Barry situation two years back. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as though it will be not if but when. I think £30m for him is a good deal but I just wish we could be building the squad around him......
Shite situation.....
Even more so when you consider that Rodwell has no problems signing a new contract with Everton!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 25, 2010, 12:33:35 PM
The same Everton that had Lescott on a contract? Oh right. I dont think it is a shite situation. Id like to keep him, he is a promising midfielder that has more to come, and may well be an all time great, if he goes, he will bring in big revenue to spend. We could end up with an even better squad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 25, 2010, 12:36:01 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
After the stories coming out in todays media its beginning to have a similar look and feel to the Barry situation two years back. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as though it will be not if but when. I think £30m for him is a good deal but I just wish we could be building the squad around him......
Shite situation.....
Even more so when you consider that Rodwell has no problems signing a new contract with Everton!
I don't see how you can compare a kid with a handful of appearances to Milner. It would be like saying Piennar hasn't signed a new contract but we're keeping hold of Albrighton.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 25, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
I'm all for analysing these things objective with stats/facts but you do have to actually pay some attention to what the stats reveal.
I like Nigel but I've always considered him a destroyer rather than a creator.
I concur and I couldn't agree more about Cokers best role, but Petrov does make passing errors, was awful for 2.5 seasons, and Coker is a far better passer of the ball than many try to promote, as is Cuellar, so was Wright, and McCann and so on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 25, 2010, 12:41:13 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
You're just wrong but there's little point arguing with you because you'll just continue to invent things to suit your petty little agenda.
Perhaps I am taking a lead from the way you do things ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 25, 2010, 01:31:27 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
I'm all for analysing these things objective with stats/facts but you do have to actually pay some attention to what the stats reveal.
I like Nigel but I've always considered him a destroyer rather than a creator.
I concur and I couldn't agree more about Cokers best role, but Petrov does make passing errors, was awful for 2.5 seasons, and Coker is a far better passer of the ball than many try to promote, as is Cuellar, so was Wright, and McCann and so on.
Every player makes passing errors from time to time - but Petrov makes far fewer of them than Reo-Coker.
I like both players and think that there should be a useful place for both of them in the squad, but if there is only one space available at the moment then it should definitely be Petrov filling it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: paul_e on May 25, 2010, 01:56:54 PM
I'm quite worried that I'm going to be stepping out into a river here but I can't help but think you're all reacting as you are because of who's talking about NRC rather than what is being said.
For what it's worth I think NRC is a much better player than he gets credit for on here. Yes he looks a bit lost sometimes and he does give the ball away a little too often but I think it's a little harsh to say he can't pass. If you watch the games back most of his stray passes come when he's trying to do too much. When he plays it simple he's more than good enough for the role but he lets himself get a bit excited and tries to win the game by himself.
If we could get him a little bit cooler in possession he'd be a very good player as his work rate and defensive abilities are up there with the best in the league. If he does leave and someone takes a gamble of sticking him in with a good sports psychologist he could turn out to be a huge loss.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 25, 2010, 02:15:26 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
I'm all for analysing these things objective with stats/facts but you do have to actually pay some attention to what the stats reveal.
I like Nigel but I've always considered him a destroyer rather than a creator.
I concur and I couldn't agree more about Cokers best role, but Petrov does make passing errors, was awful for 2.5 seasons, and Coker is a far better passer of the ball than many try to promote, as is Cuellar, so was Wright, and McCann and so on.
Every player makes passing errors from time to time - but Petrov makes far fewer of them than Reo-Coker.
I like both players and think that there should be a useful place for both of them in the squad, but if there is only one space available at the moment then it should definitely be Petrov filling it.
Petrov seems to manage, at least once in every game pretty much, to play a superb pass, something from the very top level.
Whether he's got it in him to do it more often, I don't know, and I don't really know why I'm mentioning it here, but it is something I noticed in the latter parts of the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 25, 2010, 02:17:18 PM
paul_e, good post. His problem can be temperament, rash cards given out in the middle of the park, which then takes away his bets part which is his hunger to be involved. I like a player having a bit of a nasty streak, as long as there arent too many of them, and they can keep a lid on it in tough situations. ie, not getting sent off against Manure is a start. I just wish he would look up and pass a bit more. He was like that in his Wetspam days too though
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 25, 2010, 02:19:55 PM
Quote from: "paul_e"
For what it's worth I think NRC is a much better player than he gets credit for on here. Yes he looks a bit lost sometimes and he does give the ball away a little too often but I think it's a little harsh to say he can't pass. If you watch the games back most of his stray passes come when he's trying to do too much. When he plays it simple he's more than good enough for the role but he lets himself get a bit excited and tries to win the game by himself.
If we could get him a little bit cooler in possession he'd be a very good player as his work rate and defensive abilities are up there with the best in the league. If he does leave and someone takes a gamble of sticking him in with a good sports psychologist he could turn out to be a huge loss.
I agree with that, Paul. The problem, as I see it, is that I'm not sure he's disciplined enough to just sit and play the destructive role and then give the ball to someone who can play. He seems to see himself as an all action, box to box player. That can look great when you see him chasing the ball down in the opposition half with 2 minutes left but what he should be doing is to get back in position shielding the back 4.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on May 25, 2010, 02:32:28 PM
I think NRC is a very limited player. He's got bundles of drive and energy, but very little footballing intelligence. it's not so much his passing, which is OK when he keeps things simple. It's his propensity to run with the ball in a straight line when he gets the ball, until he invariably runs straight into an opposition player.
He's not a bad player, I just can't imagine any of the other top 7 sides wanting him in their team. I think deep down he's remembering the rumoured interest from Arsenal a few years back, and believes that that's his true level. In reality I can see him ending up at a team like Sunderland, Fulham or Blackburn.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 25, 2010, 02:44:50 PM
Of course he can pass a ball. When I exaggerate to make a point its just that. What he can't do is make a run and then the right decision who to pass to, when to pass it, and the weight. Sometimes yes, but too often no. he's not got the range of passing needed for a side about to emabark on a Champions League campaign and until we have a team that all possess that ability we'll spend to much time trying to fit the Sidwells, NRCs, and Petrovs into a Europa Cup team at best.
Good as it is, its plateaued now and no-one is really wildly excited about finishing 6th again next season at the moment if the football is still the same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 25, 2010, 03:15:21 PM
Warnock: I can see Milner leaving. (http://www.rs.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/05/25/1941815/aston-villa-defender-stephen-warnock-i-want-james-milner-to-stay-)
Thanks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 25, 2010, 03:18:27 PM
Seems a fair enough response to whatever question he was asked.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on May 25, 2010, 03:48:00 PM
So that is another potential part of the equation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 25, 2010, 03:51:38 PM
Let's buy him and keep Milner. At £10m it would be money well spent although I'm sure I've read somewhere that Chelsea are interested in him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 25, 2010, 03:59:35 PM
15m + Ireland + Onouha = 30m and done deal imo.
Onouha is a good defender and would give MON another RB/CB to play around with which would also speed up Davies's departure.
Ireland would be that elusive creative midfielder.
I'd expect 15m from the sale of cast offs so in total we'd have a war chest of 30m to sign another good central midfielder to cover until Delph comes back and of course that striker.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 25, 2010, 04:04:12 PM
Ireland is a fantastic player. I'm just not sure of his mental temperament.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 25, 2010, 04:16:51 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
After the stories coming out in todays media its beginning to have a similar look and feel to the Barry situation two years back. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as though it will be not if but when. I think £30m for him is a good deal but I just wish we could be building the squad around him......
Shite situation.....
Even more so when you consider that Rodwell has no problems signing a new contract with Everton!
I don't see how you can compare a kid with a handful of appearances to Milner. It would be like saying Piennar hasn't signed a new contract but we're keeping hold of Albrighton.
The only reason I'm comparing them is simply because they are both pretty hot property when it comes to English players. Rodwell may have only had a handful of appearances (if 47 is only a handful) but is already rated at £15m+...
Comparisons with Albrighton(3 appearances and nearly 2 years older), good God talk about claret tinted specs!!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 25, 2010, 06:50:58 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
After the stories coming out in todays media its beginning to have a similar look and feel to the Barry situation two years back. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as though it will be not if but when. I think £30m for him is a good deal but I just wish we could be building the squad around him......
Shite situation.....
Even more so when you consider that Rodwell has no problems signing a new contract with Everton!
I don't see how you can compare a kid with a handful of appearances to Milner. It would be like saying Piennar hasn't signed a new contract but we're keeping hold of Albrighton.
The only reason I'm comparing them is simply because they are both pretty hot property when it comes to English players. Rodwell may have only had a handful of appearances (if 47 is only a handful) but is already rated at £15m+...
Comparisons with Albrighton(3 appearances and nearly 2 years older), good God talk about claret tinted specs!!!!
My point was that Everton are having their own issues with players being linked with moves away in Pieanaar and Arteta yet you choose a 19 year old as the one to compare to Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2010, 07:03:20 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Warnock: I can see Milner leaving. (http://www.rs.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/05/25/1941815/aston-villa-defender-stephen-warnock-i-want-james-milner-to-stay-)
Thanks.
Yeah that interview annoyed me aswell, Higher level? they are in all the same competitions as us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 25, 2010, 07:11:23 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
After the stories coming out in todays media its beginning to have a similar look and feel to the Barry situation two years back. Maybe I'm wrong but it seems as though it will be not if but when. I think £30m for him is a good deal but I just wish we could be building the squad around him......
Shite situation.....
Even more so when you consider that Rodwell has no problems signing a new contract with Everton!
I don't see how you can compare a kid with a handful of appearances to Milner. It would be like saying Piennar hasn't signed a new contract but we're keeping hold of Albrighton.
The only reason I'm comparing them is simply because they are both pretty hot property when it comes to English players. Rodwell may have only had a handful of appearances (if 47 is only a handful) but is already rated at £15m+...
Comparisons with Albrighton(3 appearances and nearly 2 years older), good God talk about claret tinted specs!!!!
My point was that Everton are having their own issues with players being linked with moves away in Pieanaar and Arteta yet you choose a 19 year old as the one to compare to Milner.
I'm not quite sure what your point is here??? Fair play to Rodwell signing a new contract rather than than jumping ship that's all I'm saying. Let's hope Milner does the same, because you just know that O'Neill will waste the money if he does go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2010, 07:13:50 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Ireland is a fantastic player. I'm just not sure of his mental temperament.
Why? Have I missed something?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2010, 07:16:07 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Warnock: I can see Milner leaving. (http://www.rs.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/05/25/1941815/aston-villa-defender-stephen-warnock-i-want-james-milner-to-stay-)
Thanks.
Yeah that interview annoyed me aswell, Higher level? they are in all the same competitions as us.
What the fuck is that all about? Did he confuse higher level with more money?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 25, 2010, 07:20:29 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Ireland is a fantastic player. I'm just not sure of his mental temperament.
Why? Have I missed something?
There are various incidents such as the lark surrounding playing for the Irish side and one are two other things that make me think that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on May 25, 2010, 07:24:55 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Ireland is a fantastic player. I'm just not sure of his mental temperament.
Why? Have I missed something?
There are various incidents such as the lark surrounding playing for the Irish side and one are two other things that make me think that.
Who's normal these days anyway
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on May 25, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
Did'nt he drop his shorts during a game a while back and he had something written on his pants and got slaughtered for it, or am i thinking of somebody else?
As a player, he did'nt get much of a look in last year, but was excellent the season before.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 25, 2010, 07:47:00 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Did'nt he drop his shorts during a game a while back and he had something written on his pants and got slaughtered for it, or am i thinking of somebody else?
As a player, he did'nt get much of a look in last year, but was excellent the season before.
He had some Superman pants on.
Was a few years ago now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 25, 2010, 07:53:38 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Warnock: I can see Milner leaving. (http://www.rs.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/05/25/1941815/aston-villa-defender-stephen-warnock-i-want-james-milner-to-stay-)
Thanks.
Yeah that interview annoyed me aswell, Higher level? they are in all the same competitions as us.
What the fuck is that all about? Did he confuse higher level with more money?
Dear Santa
Please make it so, that our players shut the fuck up when discussing the future of current teammates that are linked with other clubs. Especially if they are going to talk complete bollocks, but also when their quotes can be taken out of context.
I'll be a good little boy, and promise not to spank myself for fear of going blind.
Sincerely, TV
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on May 25, 2010, 08:31:14 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Warnock: I can see Milner leaving. (http://www.rs.goal.com/en-gb/news/2557/news/2010/05/25/1941815/aston-villa-defender-stephen-warnock-i-want-james-milner-to-stay-)
Thanks.
Yeah that interview annoyed me aswell, Higher level? they are in all the same competitions as us.
Well what a silly little man Warnock is. Why didn't he just say 'Sorry thats nothing to do with me?'
Not as bad as what Berger said but I'm sure Randy isn't at all thrilled by it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 25, 2010, 08:39:02 PM
Would you be surprised if a deal has already been done and as such that's the most 'positive' Warnock can be ? Just a thought, may be wrong, I'm not always right.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 25, 2010, 08:39:36 PM
Dunney makes more sense in what he says, he says Jimmy will struggle for game time. He's not defeatist, he says if he leaves we will move on and Delph will be a top player(obviously not next season).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 25, 2010, 08:56:25 PM
What a dickhead Warnock is eh!
He should be saying Milner doesnt need to go, Villa is a great club going places.
Martin will definatley be screwing about these comments
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 25, 2010, 09:59:21 PM
99% of Footballers seem thick as shit and only in it for themselves.
Someone was always going to come out with some comments like it.
I thought it would have been Ash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 26, 2010, 12:59:47 PM
Is anyone going to post anything today? On any of the fora?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 26, 2010, 01:10:14 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Is anyone going to post anything today? On any of the fora?
We've hit a problem with the time space continuum, or summat.
Everything was normal this morning. Go away for a while and all the posts have done a runner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 26, 2010, 01:46:48 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "peter w"
Is anyone going to post anything today? On any of the fora?
We've hit a problem with the time space continuum, or summat.
Everything was normal this morning. Go away for a while and all the posts have done a runner.
I know - that's a good morning's work arguing the toss on the transfer thread wasted!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on May 26, 2010, 01:54:49 PM
It is very quiet on here today!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on May 26, 2010, 01:58:41 PM
I posted the real reason Milner is leaving and it's gone, can't be arsed to type it all out again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on May 26, 2010, 02:04:31 PM
Warnock obviously fancies sitting on the bench all next year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on May 26, 2010, 02:35:42 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Ireland is a fantastic player. I'm just not sure of his mental temperament.
Does he have a physical one as well ? !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Randy Gurner on May 26, 2010, 05:16:53 PM
I think Ireland would be a superb acquisition for Villa and if we can get the reported £20 million + Ireland from Man City then MON shouldn't think twice about letting Milner go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 26, 2010, 05:47:27 PM
Quote from: "ROBBO"
Warnock obviously fancies sitting on the bench all next year.
do you reckon Dunne will join him then, having made similar comments ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 26, 2010, 05:51:05 PM
I thought Dunne warned him against going to city. Nothing more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 26, 2010, 06:06:50 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I thought Dunne warned him against going to city. Nothing more.
Quote from: "dunne"
"As much as we want to keep James, we know he is a much sought-after player and it might prove difficult.
Quote from: "warnock"
"Of course, we want him at Villa next season, but I think, if the price is right, it's very difficult for a club to turn it down.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: flybo on May 26, 2010, 06:09:33 PM
they are saying on facebook a deal has been done. I just hope it is bullS#*t.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 26, 2010, 06:10:09 PM
Fuck them all off then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: flybo on May 26, 2010, 06:15:14 PM
Thats how i feel
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 26, 2010, 06:51:33 PM
Quote from: "flybo"
they are saying on facebook a deal has been done. I just hope it is bullS#*t.
Who is saying that?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 26, 2010, 09:23:22 PM
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on May 26, 2010, 09:29:16 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
The problem i feel, is Martin doesnt seem to be in charge of all the players.
There are a number of players who Martin seems to be scared of upsetting.
Martin seems to be all up 'being the boss' with players who arent his favourites. but when his 'favourites' play bad, show decent or make silly comments he doesnt seem to bat an eye lid.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bob on May 26, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: "flybo"
they are saying on facebook a deal has been done. I just hope it is bullS#*t.
And I heard we can't have the lion on our badge anymore coz it's well racialist to tigers!!!!1!1!111
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bob on May 26, 2010, 09:47:04 PM
If tigas don't like are badge I'll poke a sausage up they're bum!!!!1!11!!11111
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 26, 2010, 09:53:35 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
The problem i feel, is Martin doesnt seem to be in charge of all the players.
There are a number of players who Martin seems to be scared of upsetting.
Martin seems to be all up 'being the boss' with players who arent his favourites. but when his 'favourites' play bad, show decent or make silly comments he doesnt seem to bat an eye lid.
maybe some truth in this, what is obvious though is that the comments of Dunne and Warnock make us look small time
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 26, 2010, 10:10:53 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
The problem i feel, is Martin doesnt seem to be in charge of all the players.
There are a number of players who Martin seems to be scared of upsetting.
Martin seems to be all up 'being the boss' with players who arent his favourites. but when his 'favourites' play bad, show decent or make silly comments he doesnt seem to bat an eye lid.
maybe some truth in this, what is obvious though is that the comments of Dunne and Warnock make us look small time
well half the posters on here seem quite happy to sell Milner as long as we get 20m and various Citeh rejects in return so maybe the smalltime ambition has spread to the players....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on May 26, 2010, 10:24:28 PM
Quote from: "bob"
Quote from: "flybo"
they are saying on facebook a deal has been done. I just hope it is bullS#*t.
And I heard we can't have the lion on our badge anymore coz it's well racialist to tigers!!!!1!1!111
Well in that case I hope Hull are changing their badges.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mallo on May 26, 2010, 10:25:49 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
The problem i feel, is Martin doesnt seem to be in charge of all the players.
There are a number of players who Martin seems to be scared of upsetting.
Martin seems to be all up 'being the boss' with players who arent his favourites. but when his 'favourites' play bad, show decent or make silly comments he doesnt seem to bat an eye lid.
maybe some truth in this, what is obvious though is that the comments of Dunne and Warnock make us look small time
well half the posters on here seem quite happy to sell Milner as long as we get 20m and various Citeh rejects in return so maybe the smalltime ambition has spread to the players....
Theres only one way to prove that..... POLL!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on May 26, 2010, 11:15:57 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
The problem i feel, is Martin doesnt seem to be in charge of all the players.
There are a number of players who Martin seems to be scared of upsetting.
Martin seems to be all up 'being the boss' with players who arent his favourites. but when his 'favourites' play bad, show decent or make silly comments he doesnt seem to bat an eye lid.
maybe some truth in this, what is obvious though is that the comments of Dunne and Warnock make us look small time
well half the posters on here seem quite happy to sell Milner as long as we get 20m and various Citeh rejects in return so maybe the smalltime ambition has spread to the players....
and over half the posters are happy with another season like the last 3, so no surprises
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pongoshat on May 27, 2010, 04:54:47 AM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
The problem i feel, is Martin doesnt seem to be in charge of all the players.
There are a number of players who Martin seems to be scared of upsetting.
Martin seems to be all up 'being the boss' with players who arent his favourites. but when his 'favourites' play bad, show decent or make silly comments he doesnt seem to bat an eye lid.
maybe some truth in this, what is obvious though is that the comments of Dunne and Warnock make us look small time
well half the posters on here seem quite happy to sell Milner as long as we get 20m and various Citeh rejects in return so maybe the smalltime ambition has spread to the players....
and over half the posters are happy with another season like the last 3, so no surprises
MON is the cult hero. The rumours these last couple of months i'm certain were of Mr Lerner looking for a more astute manager but his devoted followers seemed to have killed that idea.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pongoshat on May 27, 2010, 05:07:31 AM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
footballers are idiots, what i dont understand is why Villa players are allowed to discuss thier team mates situations, this is poor management, you dont see big club players discussing team mates transfers, piss poor
The problem i feel, is Martin doesnt seem to be in charge of all the players.
There are a number of players who Martin seems to be scared of upsetting.
Martin seems to be all up 'being the boss' with players who arent his favourites. but when his 'favourites' play bad, show decent or make silly comments he doesnt seem to bat an eye lid.
maybe some truth in this, what is obvious though is that the comments of Dunne and Warnock make us look small time
I see no sign of CL football with MON in charge, a good spurt every year with overpriced England B players. The club/Randy cant keep eating big debts with no achievable goal in sight.Hitting the ceiling every year with Mr O'Neill.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 27, 2010, 08:02:25 AM
CL football shouldn't even be thought about with MON.
Just playing the best players and maybe seeing some good football would be a start.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 27, 2010, 08:30:34 AM
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 27, 2010, 08:33:53 AM
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Am I the only person that thinks Milner should have been offered an extension to his contract before now?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: chrisw1 on May 27, 2010, 08:37:16 AM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "flybo"
they are saying on facebook a deal has been done. I just hope it is bullS#*t.
Who is saying that?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 08:38:15 AM
Its a bit dangeorus to have a player finish the season, look towards a World Cup, and then have only 2 years left on the contract. I agree.
If he doesn't get his move this season, he'll sit tight and then will go next summer for a bargain knock down price. I think because of that, and if he refuses to sign a new contract, there is almost no option but to sell whilst we can get the best money for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 27, 2010, 08:39:50 AM
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
No, you're not. All they've done is give an honest answer to a question, however there are always people on the Internet who will try to make it into something more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 27, 2010, 08:41:25 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Am I the only person that thinks Milner should have been offered an extension to his contract before now?
No, I agree.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 27, 2010, 08:46:20 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Am I the only person that thinks Milner should have been offered an extension to his contract before now?
What difference would it have made?
Man City will just throw money at the situation, the length of his contract will not deter them and it's just a question of whether or not they can make us an offer that we can't refuse. Then the player will have a decsion to make.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on May 27, 2010, 08:50:15 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Am I the only person that thinks Milner should have been offered an extension to his contract before now?
What difference would it have made?
Man City will just throw money at the situation, the length of his contract will not deter them and it's just a question of whether or not they can make us an offer that we can't refuse. Then the player will have a decsion to make.
Quote from: "peter w"
Its a bit dangeorus to have a player finish the season, look towards a World Cup, and then have only 2 years left on the contract. I agree.
If he doesn't get his move this season, he'll sit tight and then will go next summer for a bargain knock down price. I think because of that, and if he refuses to sign a new contract, there is almost no option but to sell whilst we can get the best money for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 27, 2010, 09:02:38 AM
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Am I the only person that thinks Milner should have been offered an extension to his contract before now?
What difference would it have made?
Man City will just throw money at the situation, the length of his contract will not deter them and it's just a question of whether or not they can make us an offer that we can't refuse. Then the player will have a decsion to make.
Quote from: "peter w"
Its a bit dangeorus to have a player finish the season, look towards a World Cup, and then have only 2 years left on the contract. I agree.
If he doesn't get his move this season, he'll sit tight and then will go next summer for a bargain knock down price. I think because of that, and if he refuses to sign a new contract, there is almost no option but to sell whilst we can get the best money for him.
I just don't see that. If he's dead set on a move and doesn't want to sign a new contract then a few months isn't going to make much difference.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 09:10:01 AM
When is it normal to offer players a new contract?
We signed him less than two years ago and he has two years left, so are people saying we should be offering him a new deal less than half way through his current contract?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 27, 2010, 09:17:10 AM
He started this season only one year into a four year contract. As much as I would like to see him on a rolling 5 year contract, I don't think it is reasonable to have expect new contract talks to have happened before this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 27, 2010, 09:26:49 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
He started this season only one year into a four year contract. As much as I would like to see him on a rolling 5 year contract, I don't think it is reasonable to have expect new contract talks to have happened before this summer.
true that would be a little like forward thinking, not Mon's best forte.
Mind I do agree with mr smith, if we gave him 1 mill a week someone like City would beat it, so it matters little in the grand scheme of things.
It does give other peripheral stars like Young, Warnock an incentive at least. They know that a good season and someone like City will jump in and RL can't stop them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 09:49:12 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Am I the only person that thinks Milner should have been offered an extension to his contract before now?
What difference would it have made?
Man City will just throw money at the situation, the length of his contract will not deter them and it's just a question of whether or not they can make us an offer that we can't refuse. Then the player will have a decsion to make.
Quote from: "peter w"
Its a bit dangeorus to have a player finish the season, look towards a World Cup, and then have only 2 years left on the contract. I agree.
If he doesn't get his move this season, he'll sit tight and then will go next summer for a bargain knock down price. I think because of that, and if he refuses to sign a new contract, there is almost no option but to sell whilst we can get the best money for him.
I just don't see that. If he's dead set on a move and doesn't want to sign a new contract then a few months isn't going to make much difference.
The difference will be in the amount we would be able to get for him. See Barry, G.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 27, 2010, 09:50:02 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
He started this season only one year into a four year contract. As much as I would like to see him on a rolling 5 year contract, I don't think it is reasonable to have expect new contract talks to have happened before this summer.
true that would be a little like forward thinking, not Mon's best forte.
And today's latest knock down of the manager comes form sfx412.
This from the same person castigating him last season for not playing Delph having spent so much money on him. The player described by MON as one for the future and one to be nurtured. If that's not forward thinking I don't know what is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 27, 2010, 10:07:12 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Am I the only person who thinks that Warnock has just said what a lot of posters on here have said about Milner. And, as such, cannot see what the fuss is about?
Am I the only person that thinks Milner should have been offered an extension to his contract before now?
What difference would it have made?
Man City will just throw money at the situation, the length of his contract will not deter them and it's just a question of whether or not they can make us an offer that we can't refuse. Then the player will have a decsion to make.
Quote from: "peter w"
Its a bit dangeorus to have a player finish the season, look towards a World Cup, and then have only 2 years left on the contract. I agree.
If he doesn't get his move this season, he'll sit tight and then will go next summer for a bargain knock down price. I think because of that, and if he refuses to sign a new contract, there is almost no option but to sell whilst we can get the best money for him.
I just don't see that. If he's dead set on a move and doesn't want to sign a new contract then a few months isn't going to make much difference.
The difference will be in the amount we would be able to get for him. See Barry, G.
So you think if he'd been offered a contract say 3 months ago that wouldn't have ocurred to him?
If he's dead set on a move then I'm sure that we'll sell him this summer for the best price we can. I don't see us repeating that Barry thing again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 10:20:52 AM
Not 3 months ago, no, but someone should have looked at this last year and recognised that a Barry like situation could rear its head again. You're right inasmuch that if Man City want to buy they will, but we would have had more of a bargaining position than we do now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 27, 2010, 10:25:37 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Not 3 months ago, no, but someone should have looked at this last year and recognised that a Barry like situation could rear its head again. You're right inasmuch that if Man City want to buy they will, but we would have had more of a bargaining position than we do now.
I can see your point but if you start offering players a new contract after only 12 months then you set a dangerous precedant because they'd all want the same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 27, 2010, 10:28:55 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Not 3 months ago, no, but someone should have looked at this last year and recognised that a Barry like situation could rear its head again. You're right inasmuch that if Man City want to buy they will, but we would have had more of a bargaining position than we do now.
Hindsight is a wonderful thing. When we bought him there were many, myself included, who thought we were paying over the odds. To be offering him an improved and extended contract on that first season would have been seen as a very strange move when he wasn't anywhere near the standard of last. It was only when he moved into the middle that people started taking notice and we are now where we are because of that decision.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 10:28:58 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "peter w"
Not 3 months ago, no, but someone should have looked at this last year and recognised that a Barry like situation could rear its head again. You're right inasmuch that if Man City want to buy they will, but we would have had more of a bargaining position than we do now.
I can see your point but if you start offering players a new contract after only 12 months then you set a dangerous precedant because they'd all want the same.
Its all about judgement calls and no-one really could have predicted a Man City offer for Milner. Nor would anyone have thought that he would jump ship.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 10:29:15 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Not 3 months ago, no, but someone should have looked at this last year and recognised that a Barry like situation could rear its head again. You're right inasmuch that if Man City want to buy they will, but we would have had more of a bargaining position than we do now.
I think with 2 years left ot bargaining position is strong enough to get best value for him.
Plus, if this move was in the offing for a while why would he have signed a new deal anyway?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nick harper on May 27, 2010, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Not 3 months ago, no, but someone should have looked at this last year and recognised that a Barry like situation could rear its head again. You're right inasmuch that if Man City want to buy they will, but we would have had more of a bargaining position than we do now.
Not sure about that. He was still playing wide right 6 months ago and probably worth no more than what we'd paid for him. Since moving into the middle, being picked for England, and being described as England's future by Capello, his value seems to have rocketed.
The club would have had to have had a great deal of foresight and moved extremely quickly to tie him down to a new a new contract at a substantial increase in wages in that time.
Let's hope he has a good world cup so his value increases further because he is pretty much certain to go and with two years left on his contract, we can maximise that value.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 10:32:07 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "peter w"
Not 3 months ago, no, but someone should have looked at this last year and recognised that a Barry like situation could rear its head again. You're right inasmuch that if Man City want to buy they will, but we would have had more of a bargaining position than we do now.
I think with 2 years left ot bargaining position is strong enough to get best value for him.
Plus, if this move was in the offing for a while why would he have signed a new deal anyway?
Not saying he would but you need to explore the possibility. Knowing that an Ebngland international already acclaimed by the manager, will have a World Cup at the end of a season, and then 2 years left of his contract should have made some distant alarms going off somewhere.
Maybe they did, maybe MON contacted the player and/or his agent and was told to wait until after the World Cup. Either way our hand is forced to act this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 27, 2010, 10:43:00 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
...
The difference will be in the amount we would be able to get for him. See Barry, G.
How much did we lose on Barry? I'm not sure Liverpool or anyone else had offered much more than the £12m we received for him last summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 10:47:00 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "peter w"
...
The difference will be in the amount we would be able to get for him. See Barry, G.
How much did we lose on Barry? I'm not sure Liverpool or anyone else had offered much more than the £12m we received for him last summer.
I don't think we particularly lost out because we were reluctant sellers. But his price was £18m. So, you could say he lost 33% of his value between having 1 year left on his contract and 2.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 27, 2010, 10:48:36 AM
I think it would be fair to say that once a player (any player) gets England recognition alarm bells will ring at that club. The other thing that happens is the players agent gets a bit more excited at the prospect of a bumper deal one way or another.
It's a very good reason to have disdain for the International team as invariably we will lose a player to a richer club, ie...Platt, Barry and now Milner, or, the other side of the coin is that the player instantly becomes shit...Draper.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 11:05:10 AM
So, when exactly would you have offered Jimmy a new contract:-
August 2008 - arrives Summer 2009 - decent season, but most feel he was overpriced at £12m Mid season 09/10 - moves to the centre, improves greatly and gets England squad place.
So, the only practicle time was once the plaudits starting coming in. But is that sensible? How many players are flavour of the month, but then fade? Do contracts EVER get signed in February-April? Should we have also given Gabby a bumper new deal when he got his first cap?
I'm sorry, but I genuinely feel this is hindsight at it's best and not really workable in the real world.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 11:08:58 AM
Could have approached him and/or his agent around September /October time and arranged a time to meet. They may well have suggested to waot after the World Cup in which case its a moot point.
Of course its hindsight. but, we're not paid to look at the minutae of the playing staff and decisions about their future. The manager is. Or the CEO, Director of Football, or whoever is in charge of that side of things.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 11:13:46 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Could have approached him and/or his agent around September /October time and arranged a time to meet. They may well have suggested to waot after the World Cup in which case its a moot point.
Of course its hindsight. but, we're not paid to look at the minutae of the playing staff and decisions about their future. The manager is. Or the CEO, Director of Football, or whoever is in charge of that side of things.
Sorry, but you don't start to arrange a new contract just over a year into a four year deal.
If we had switch him to the centre a year ago would you be saying we should have approached his agent a couple of months after signing him?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2010, 11:18:51 AM
i'd say 2 years left is about the right time to look at a new contract. think we learnt our lesson when olof was allowed to walk out for nothing but it is a 2 way thing and player like to keep their options open too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on May 27, 2010, 11:19:45 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "peter w"
Could have approached him and/or his agent around September /October time and arranged a time to meet. They may well have suggested to waot after the World Cup in which case its a moot point.
Of course its hindsight. but, we're not paid to look at the minutae of the playing staff and decisions about their future. The manager is. Or the CEO, Director of Football, or whoever is in charge of that side of things.
Sorry, but you don't start to arrange a new contract just over a year into a four year deal.
If we had switch him to the centre a year ago would you be saying we should have approached his agent a couple of months after signing him?
He's had a good year in the centre but i think he would have had a good year wherever. I maintain that where he is playing is not his best position so I could counter what your saying that if we played him as a right-sided midfielder we would have been offering an extended contract a lot sooner because he would have been even more productive.
As for arranging contracts there are cases of new contracts been offered all the time especially when a player has made a massive improvement the season before. That hasn't happened in Milner's case granted but his progression was assured as the more mature he became. Also, by dropping the attempt at playing as a winger.
But, as I said, Capello made his feelings known last season, Milner was cracking in goals and getting plaudits by October/November, and it became very clear that he would be a mainstay of any club should as he gets older and more experienced.
That's when it was time to act.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
We can't start giving improved contracts to every player that hits good form - it'd be financial suicide!
It's a balance of time remaining on the contract and the players value to the side. Which with Jimmy I think should be this summer.
I don't think the club has done anything wrong in this instance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on May 27, 2010, 11:57:01 AM
If we want to get the so called 25/30 million fee, he has to go now.
I think his stock will go down in value.
Hes a very good player but at 20 million plus Ireland , we could improve the team with that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on May 27, 2010, 12:10:51 PM
I think we'd be crazy to sell Milner before the World Cup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on May 27, 2010, 12:18:07 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
If we want to get the so called 25/30 million fee, he has to go now.
I think his stock will go down in value.
Hes a very good player but at 20 million plus Ireland , we could improve the team with that.
I doon't want a 25/30 million fee, I want to watch Milner play his football for Villa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 27, 2010, 12:36:32 PM
This thread has expanded so much that there's little likelyhood of ever catching up so I'll ask now and apologise if it's already been addressed but, given that Ireland's appeared to have asked for a transfer, could we not look at getting him in to partner Jimmy? I'm sure if we offered Jimmy a new contract with the obvious increase in salary and then get a player in like Ireland would be enough to convince him that we're very serious about that Top 4 slot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2010, 12:39:31 PM
Depends if the money's there for him AND a striker. what would he go for? 12-15m?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 27, 2010, 12:48:10 PM
Sounds about right. Question is will Randy look at the loss of Milner as a profitable one or something that is immeasurable as far as damage to the side goes.
As was said some pages back, Milner's the kind of player you could build a team aound for a long time to come. There's no way to be certain that his replacement will also be that sort of player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on May 27, 2010, 12:52:45 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
I think we'd be crazy to sell Milner before the World Cup.
Me too, and i don't think we will, unless a silly offer somes in before then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on May 27, 2010, 12:53:38 PM
Aye. got a feeling if he does go, MON won't look to replace him directly and maybe tinker with the formation instead. I agree though. keeping Milner and buying Ireland would be a great move.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Leicester_Villian on May 27, 2010, 12:55:41 PM
Some questions now being asked if Milner will be in the World Cup 23 ..... if not I guess his value will dip sharply ............ and my guess is that he would only be a part player at best so that would hardly increase his value
Much as we never want to sell any top players I would be happy to accept 25 million as believe this would improve the team
I am afraid that in the current 442 I do not believe Milner can play in that formation and offer what is required - maybe in 451 yes with him having a free role
End of the day if he wishes to leave we should get the best deal and invest in the team
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on May 27, 2010, 12:57:16 PM
Quote from: "Leicester_Villian"
Some questions now being asked if Milner will be in the World Cup 23 ..... if not I guess his value will dip sharply ............ and my guess is that he would only be a part player at best so that would hardly increase his value
If anyone doesn't think that he'll be in the final 23 I will bet them any money that they like that he will be.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mossie Hennebry on May 27, 2010, 01:02:55 PM
If we sell Milner, it will prove to me that we are small time and just in it to make up the numbers. And it will be a waste of my f@#king time watching Villa anymore. All my Sky 4 plus Spurs supporting mates have been questioning my sanity for years when I express my belief that Villa shouldn't be aiming for 4th, 3rd or 2nd, that we should be gunning for 1st. Exclaiming 'Who do you think you are!' and other such shite. 4th is no good to a club like Villa as we would probably get knocked out in the qualifiers. We should aim for 1st. It's a league ffs, and we're part of it, so why shouldn't we win it!? To win it we need the right type of players. Milner is exactly what we need. And we should surround him with skilled, hard-working and hard-nosed players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 01:23:39 PM
Quote from: "Leicester_Villian"
Some questions now being asked if Milner will be in the World Cup 23 ..... if not I guess his value will dip sharply ............ and my guess is that he would only be a part player at best so that would hardly increase his value
Much as we never want to sell any top players I would be happy to accept 25 million as believe this would improve the team
I am afraid that in the current 442 I do not believe Milner can play in that formation and offer what is required - maybe in 451 yes with him having a free role
End of the day if he wishes to leave we should get the best deal and invest in the team
Don't see how you can say that given he's been playing in 4-4-2 and got into the England squad and £20m offers for him on the back of it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Leicester_Villian on May 27, 2010, 01:48:11 PM
The reason he is in the England 30 currently is that he is capable of playing in various positions ..... I doubt he would play in the centre for England from the start .....
Yes there has been a 20m bid but again its because he can play in various positions .... in addition he is English which to Man City means its adds to what they would pay due to the regulations next season
I stress that I would not wish to sell but are we suddenly saying that the 442 we played with worked last season ....... it didnt and was not the fault of any one player - we need to improve in the centre
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 01:52:33 PM
Quote from: "Leicester_Villian"
The reason he is in the England 30 currently is that he is capable of playing in various positions ..... I doubt he would play in the centre for England from the start .....
Yes there has been a 20m bid but again its because he can play in various positions .... in addition he is English which to Man City means its adds to what they would pay due to the regulations next season
I stress that I would not wish to sell but are we suddenly saying that the 442 we played with worked last season ....... it didnt and was not the fault of any one player - we need to improve in the centre
Like anything, it can be improved, but I wouldn't say it didn't work either given our good results.
If I was to try and improve it I'd be looking for a change in Petrov's position. Get a genuine holding player that can protect the back 4 and offer some height and muscle in there. That would give Jimmy more freedom to get forward in the way Lampard and Gerrard do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on May 27, 2010, 01:56:19 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Leicester_Villian"
Some questions now being asked if Milner will be in the World Cup 23 ..... if not I guess his value will dip sharply ............ and my guess is that he would only be a part player at best so that would hardly increase his value
If anyone doesn't think that he'll be in the final 23 I will bet them any money that they like that he will be.
me too Milner will go to S Africa and most likely play from day 1
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on May 27, 2010, 01:59:31 PM
I'd be stunned if Milner didn't make the WC squad. He's a definite to travel, IMO. With Barry not yet fit - he's only just started running again FFS - who's ahead of Milner for a midfield role? Lampard and Gerrard. He's surely ahead of Carrick, Huddlestone and Parker. Even if Barry is fit, we won't go to the WC with just three midfielders.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on May 27, 2010, 04:32:38 PM
Just been speaking to good old Steve Stride (remember him lol) and he let slip that an announcement will be made regarding James milner at dinner time tomorrow.
ps he does still work at Villa!!! i thought he left but no, he does something in the communications part.
will upload photo i took with him in a while, if anyone wants to see.
he wouldn tell me anything about the announcement though, he just said he couldn't say anything! but he was smiling if that helps anyone....he had photo's took with about 10 of us!!
ps get down villa for the England / Villa shirt combo, it looks mint and at £15.00 not bad price.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on May 27, 2010, 04:38:38 PM
He left a few years back (maybe immediately after Randy came in?) but I'd assume he'd still know people and what's going on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on May 27, 2010, 04:41:43 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
He left a few years back (maybe immediately after Randy came in?) but I'd assume he'd still know people and what's going on.
he was at the players entrance gate, he had a villa tie on and when we asked him what he was doing he said he was still working in communictaion with the villa!
he spoke about deadly's son he also still works at villa!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 27, 2010, 04:41:54 PM
Milner's off with England, so surely nothing major could be announced?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on May 27, 2010, 04:51:01 PM
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
He left a few years back (maybe immediately after Randy came in?) but I'd assume he'd still know people and what's going on.
he was at the players entrance gate, he had a villa tie on and when we asked him what he was doing he said he was still working in communictaion with the villa!
he spoke about deadly's son he also still works at villa!
i was just reading through villa archive and he resigned as director in 2007, but it advises that he will still be involved with the villa in some way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ryu on May 28, 2010, 10:49:38 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "peter w"
Could have approached him and/or his agent around September /October time and arranged a time to meet. They may well have suggested to waot after the World Cup in which case its a moot point.
Of course its hindsight. but, we're not paid to look at the minutae of the playing staff and decisions about their future. The manager is. Or the CEO, Director of Football, or whoever is in charge of that side of things.
Sorry, but you don't start to arrange a new contract just over a year into a four year deal.
If we had switch him to the centre a year ago would you be saying we should have approached his agent a couple of months after signing him?
He's had a good year in the centre but i think he would have had a good year wherever. I maintain that where he is playing is not his best position so I could counter what your saying that if we played him as a right-sided midfielder we would have been offering an extended contract a lot sooner because he would have been even more productive.
As for arranging contracts there are cases of new contracts been offered all the time especially when a player has made a massive improvement the season before. That hasn't happened in Milner's case granted but his progression was assured as the more mature he became. Also, by dropping the attempt at playing as a winger.
But, as I said, Capello made his feelings known last season, Milner was cracking in goals and getting plaudits by October/November, and it became very clear that he would be a mainstay of any club should as he gets older and more experienced.
That's when it was time to act.
I don't think signing him on a new contract would make that much difference. Fabregas is arsenel's captain and has 4 years left of a 6 year contractc, I think. He couldn't be more of a 'mainstay'. He still looks likely to leave.
On another point is Milner leaving for certain? Everybody seems quite resigned even though no offer has been accepted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 28, 2010, 10:52:39 AM
Quote from: "Ryu"
On another point is Milner leaving for certain? Everybody seems quite resigned even though no offer has been accepted.
I think it's a case that if Man City really want him they'll just keep upping the bid until we can't say no.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ryu on May 28, 2010, 11:06:41 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Ryu"
On another point is Milner leaving for certain? Everybody seems quite resigned even though no offer has been accepted.
I think it's a case that if Man City really want him they'll just keep upping the bid until we can't say no.
This is true enough but if we keep turning down bids they may look elsewhere. They must be after loads of other midfielders and even they can't expect to get ALL their targets, can they?
I hope we hold out, anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 28, 2010, 01:30:37 PM
Looking at SSN just now, it appears they are after anyone and everyone from overseas - must be a mercenary's dream come true. Going to be fun and games there watching what happens when such diehard one club players like Tevez, Adebayour and Bellamy start realising they might not be first choice...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on May 28, 2010, 03:36:47 PM
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Just been speaking to good old Steve Stride (remember him lol) and he let slip that an announcement will be made regarding James milner at dinner time tomorrow.
Is that Dinner time as the Queen would have it say at 8.00PM tonight or Dinner time as in School dinners?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 28, 2010, 03:38:34 PM
Obviously bull shit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on May 28, 2010, 03:39:38 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Just been speaking to good old Steve Stride (remember him lol) and he let slip that an announcement will be made regarding James milner at dinner time tomorrow.
Is that Dinner time as the Queen would have it say at 8.00PM tonight or Dinner time as in School dinners?
Knowing footballers as one does ma'am, I expect it means lunchtime which those working class types often refer to as dinner ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on May 28, 2010, 05:09:20 PM
dinner at 8pm? what the f? surely that will mess up tea? and the whole space-time continuum?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on May 28, 2010, 11:13:32 PM
So, what of this announcement regarding James Milner then?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 28, 2010, 11:30:50 PM
Divorcing Ashley Blake, I think.
I've got that wrong haven't I?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on May 29, 2010, 10:36:36 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
So, what of this announcement regarding James Milner then?
i have no idea troy, thats all he said to us, i have another 9 mates all heard him say the same...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on May 30, 2010, 12:41:58 PM
I've just read Shay Given throwing more fuel on the fire in this mornings red tops.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pendinevilla on May 30, 2010, 05:49:25 PM
Quote from: "abc123cox"
ps get down villa for the England / Villa shirt combo, it looks mint and at £15.00 not bad price.
Are they being sold on line? I have had a quick look and couldn't see one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 30, 2010, 07:36:17 PM
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
He left a few years back (maybe immediately after Randy came in?) but I'd assume he'd still know people and what's going on.
he was at the players entrance gate, he had a villa tie on and when we asked him what he was doing he said he was still working in communictaion with the villa!
he spoke about deadly's son he also still works at villa!
Oh dear, wait until Gregnash reads this!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cb on May 31, 2010, 09:36:52 AM
Quote from: "Rancid custard"
I've just read Shay Given throwing more fuel on the fire in this mornings red tops.
Clearly Given's got little enough to be doing this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on May 31, 2010, 11:03:22 AM
£20m + Hart and Ireland and they can have him. Although my first preference is to keep him as I don't want our myopic manager wasting the proceeds on the likes of Cole, Zamora and Doyle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on May 31, 2010, 11:25:17 AM
That'll be Shay 'Soon to be Citeh's number 2 keeper' Given, I suppose?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2010, 12:44:15 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
£20m + Hart and Ireland and they can have him. Although my first preference is to keep him as I don't want our myopic manager wasting the proceeds on the likes of Cole, Zamora and Doyle.
I dont want him to go and the thought annoys me but, done.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on May 31, 2010, 12:51:42 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
£20m + Hart and Ireland and they can have him. Although my first preference is to keep him as I don't want our myopic manager wasting the proceeds on the likes of Cole, Zamora and Doyle.
I dont want him to go and the thought annoys me but, done.
Disagree. There's no point in getting Ireland without having Milner, as we'd be left with the same problems with the lack of creativity, especially in depth. At best we'd be standing still. We need to add to Milner, because even he, on his own, is clearly not enough.
There is the argument that we'd get the £20m as well as Ireland with which to buy more creativity and replace Milner further. Well, I say that we cannot replace Milner, especially if we are seen to be selling him to a competitor. Selling him to Man Utd or Real Madrid would be a different matter, but if we are selling him to Manchester City, there would be a clear sense that we are distancing ourselves from our rivals for fourth, especially after Modric signed his new contract, and players wouldn't want to come here.
Also, swap deals are incredibly sticky. They're only really done if both sides wanted those players anyway, and would have gone in for them regardless (Zlatan-Eto'o is the uber-example). If MON doesn't want Ireland, for whatever reason, he shouldn't sign him and won't sign him, and that's that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2010, 03:17:04 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Also, swap deals are incredibly sticky. They're only really done if both sides wanted those players anyway, and would have gone in for them regardless (Zlatan-Eto'o is the uber-example). If MON doesn't want Ireland, for whatever reason, he shouldn't sign him and won't sign him, and that's that.
Yes they are. Player A needs to want to sign for club B and club A has to be prepared to sell him. Then add to that that Player B has to also want to join club a. A lot of links that should one not click the deal is off.
That having been said, should Milner leave then I'm sure Martin would see Stephen Ireland as a potential replacement.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2010, 06:22:17 PM
Well, Ive often said that I'd prefer to see Milner play WITH Ireland but if we are thinking of selling Milner then Ireland (circa £10m) Hart (the best young keeper in the league, possibly the world) and £20m would represent fantastic business. Probably too good to refuse.
The question would be, could we replace Milner for £20m. Well, maybe not exactly but we could buy players who would suit us. Kallstrom for instance is on a free this summer and then maybe a top defensive midfielder with amybe some left over for a new right back. That's without us spending a penny of our own kitty.
I restate, keeping Milner is my first choice but selling him needn't be the disaster I first thought it to be, if we got the sort of deal Fletch mentioned. Quite the contrary.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on May 31, 2010, 06:53:55 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The question would be, could we replace Milner for £20m.
If we get Ireland, we'd already have done. With a better player as well I reckon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on May 31, 2010, 06:59:47 PM
I prefer Milner over Ireland. Wouldn't say no to Joe Hart signing for us, either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2010, 07:13:12 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The question would be, could we replace Milner for £20m.
If we get Ireland, we'd already have done. With a better player as well I reckon.
I think he’s a better attacking central player. The obvious downside is that we lose a hell of a lot of industry. As long as we bring in another central midfielder to replace the ineffective Sidwell, and who can complement Ireland, then we’ll be stronger.
Throw in a top right back, a couple of strikers and another midfielder and we'll be well away.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on May 31, 2010, 07:16:17 PM
Ireland is no better or worse than Milner IMO.
What Milner gives us in hard work and endeavour Ireland will make up for in creativity and an eye for a pass.
Ireland will give us that creativity we lack in the home games.
/
I just wish we'd get an announcement soon, I was gonna get a Milner England shirt for the World Cup, but shall opt against if his future isn't sorted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SashasGrandad on May 31, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Ireland is no better or worse than Milner IMO.
I just wish we'd get an announcement soon, I was gonna get a Milner England shirt for the World Cup, but shall opt against if his future isn't sorted.
You could always get a Heskey one!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on May 31, 2010, 07:26:21 PM
Quote from: "SashasGrandad"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Ireland is no better or worse than Milner IMO.
I just wish we'd get an announcement soon, I was gonna get a Milner England shirt for the World Cup, but shall opt against if his future isn't sorted.
You could always get a Heskey one!!
Or Barry? Gerrard? or Terry?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on May 31, 2010, 08:29:35 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The question would be, could we replace Milner for £20m.
If we get Ireland, we'd already have done. With a better player as well I reckon.
I think he’s a better attacking central player. The obvious downside is that we lose a hell of a lot of industry. As long as we bring in another central midfielder to replace the ineffective Sidwell, and who can complement Ireland, then we’ll be stronger.
Throw in a top right back, a couple of strikers and another midfielder and we'll be well away.
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on May 31, 2010, 08:38:11 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on May 31, 2010, 08:46:52 PM
I'd take Ireland with or without Milner going, but he isn't as good a player, IMO.
Yesterday's Sunday Mirror had an article comparing their stats and there wasn't much difference between Ireland in 08/09 and Milner for 09/10 in terms of goals and assists. So we'd replace his offensive contribution, but not his work rate and industry. So for me it shows Jimmy to be the better player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on May 31, 2010, 08:53:20 PM
I stand by my comments. I think Ireland has got more going for him as an attacking player and I think he’s the closest thing to Scholes we could get. I readily admitted that we’d lose a lot of industry and balance that Jimmy offers, but if we could bring in two other central players to replace Sidwell and the missing industry, then I think we’d end up on the better side of the deal.
The dream scenario would be to bring in Ireland and keep Jimmy of course. I think both of them having a long conversation with Dunney would do them both good.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on May 31, 2010, 08:57:38 PM
How bout a straight swap. Hart, Ireland and Bellamy? I'd take that.
Man City won't mind losing Hart, they'll just spunk out a few bob on someone else.
I'd love to get Joe Hart here, I think he's gonn be absolutely top class. Bring him in, and have the experience of Friedel to call upon if needs be. Let Bradders wind down in Europe and the Cups.
Bellamy would be useful too. And Ireland's a good player.
If we signed a top quality grafter, with a decent pass on him too, we'd be looking good in midfield.
Looks good to me. Let Grafty sit in front of the back 4. Young and Bellamy both work their bollocks of so we wouldn't be too flimsy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2010, 09:46:03 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The question would be, could we replace Milner for £20m.
If we get Ireland, we'd already have done. With a better player as well I reckon.
I cant agree with that. Ireland, if his head continues to be screwed to his body, would replace Milners attacking dimension but not much else. Which is why we, and the media, are talking about him as a relatively small part of a deal for Milner.
I'd like to see Milner play behind Ireland because he's a genuine box to box midfielder and Ireland isnt. In other words I could see Milner playing Petrovs role with far more energy, mobility and attacking benefits.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2010, 09:48:10 PM
Ireland is certainly the better attacking player as he scores and creates more from open player although Milner has improved in that aspect.
This will drag on through July I suspect.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 31, 2010, 09:59:55 PM
Quote from: "John M"
I'd take Ireland with or without Milner going, but he isn't as good a player, IMO.
Yesterday's Sunday Mirror had an article comparing their stats and there wasn't much difference between Ireland in 08/09 and Milner for 09/10 in terms of goals and assists. So we'd replace his offensive contribution, but not his work rate and industry. So for me it shows Jimmy to be the better player.
How many penalties did Stephen Ireland take in 08/09? I ask because I'm genuinely not sure, but from memory I don't think he was their designated penalty taker.
I like Jimmy, but given a straight choice I'd probably go for Ireland. Jimmy is a meat and potatoes player, a trier. 100% endeavour. Not completely without skill, but can look a bit one paced.
Ireland can do the unexpected, whether it's a sliderule pass, a welltimed run into the box to get on the end of a move or turn up to training in a pimped out Pink Landrover. Every good side needs that type of player (well except for the Landrover part, obv).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 31, 2010, 10:20:02 PM
Ireland scored I think 9 goals from open play in the league in 08/09 so easily one of the highest scoring midfielders.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 31, 2010, 10:21:25 PM
I'd like Joe Hart, too, but why does anyone think he'd want to come here to be second fiddle to Friedel?
He's going to want to be first choice wherever he goes (and probably has as much chance of dislodging Given as he does Friedel, so why move?)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on May 31, 2010, 10:24:34 PM
How long do we think Friedel has left?
There were times last season when the old reactions weren't as sharp as they once were.
Maybe this will be the season where he gradually gets phased out even more. That being the case, Hart would be an excellent shout.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on May 31, 2010, 11:08:20 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I'd like Joe Hart, too, but why does anyone think he'd want to come here to be second fiddle to Friedel?
He's going to want to be first choice wherever he goes (and probably has as much chance of dislodging Given as he does Friedel, so why move?)
Well, I'd give him the the starting spot without even thinking about it. Not that I think there will be any deal done involving Hart anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on May 31, 2010, 11:32:08 PM
I think its important to remember that there is likely to be other clubs in for Milner.
I would prefer some of the Man City player plus cash options but Milner could well hold out for a move to a bigger club than Man City.Its not a forgone conclusion that Milner is on his way to Man City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 01, 2010, 12:51:57 AM
Looks to me that if we lose Milner but add the likes of Ireland and Belamy, it'd be 2 step backward, 1.9 forward. Obviously not enough to push the Top 4 next season.
However, if we're planning on adding those names to play alongside Milner, then maybe, just maybe, this is the pushing out of the boat that we've been waiting for for a long, long time.
A 4-5-1 system with Milner, Petrov and Ireland in the guts, Ashley and either Downing or Albrighton on the wings and the option of Gabby/Carew/Belamy up front is, for me, a potential Top 3 side. Add in Hart and a REAL Left Back and I'd put some dollars on that Top 3 spot.
It would also afford us some flexibility to change our formation and tactics, change things about with some exciting substi........oh, yeah, sorry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 09:05:49 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
He was their player of the year when they were a pretty average team, when they went up a level he struggled.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 01, 2010, 09:13:40 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
He was their player of the year when they were a pretty average team, when they went up a level he struggled.
I just think Mancini doesn't like him. He prefers 2 deeper, more defensive midfielders.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2010, 09:22:32 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "John M"
I'd take Ireland with or without Milner going, but he isn't as good a player, IMO.
Yesterday's Sunday Mirror had an article comparing their stats and there wasn't much difference between Ireland in 08/09 and Milner for 09/10 in terms of goals and assists. So we'd replace his offensive contribution, but not his work rate and industry. So for me it shows Jimmy to be the better player.
How many penalties did Stephen Ireland take in 08/09? I ask because I'm genuinely not sure, but from memory I don't think he was their designated penalty taker.
I like Jimmy, but given a straight choice I'd probably go for Ireland. Jimmy is a meat and potatoes player, a trier. 100% endeavour. Not completely without skill, but can look a bit one paced.
Ireland can do the unexpected, whether it's a sliderule pass, a welltimed run into the box to get on the end of a move or turn up to training in a pimped out Pink Landrover. Every good side needs that type of player (well except for the Landrover part, obv).
The stats were 7 goals for Milner and 9 for Ireland. So whatever amount of penalties were taken, Ireland scored more. However, two points:- 1. That 7 is with Jimmy only playing half a season in the centre. 2. Imagine what Jimmy might do if he wasn't trying to defend also, which is the way Ireland plays.
I think over the course of a 38 game season with both playing central midfield, we'd only see a small difference in the goals and assists figures. When you take into account Milner can do that while also being the driving force and covering every blade of grass, it's clear to me who the better player is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 01, 2010, 10:26:13 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
He was their player of the year when they were a pretty average team, when they went up a level he struggled.
When he came on at Villa Park this season he completely changed the game, eventually making a massive contribution to them earning a point. He kept the ball and used it intelligently. He's a little scrote but there's no doubt he's a great player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on June 01, 2010, 10:35:26 AM
Richard Dunne was their player of the season in an average side too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 10:54:22 AM
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
He was their player of the year when they were a pretty average team, when they went up a level he struggled.
When he came on at Villa Park this season he completely changed the game, eventually making a massive contribution to them earning a point. He kept the ball and used it intelligently. He's a little scrote but there's no doubt he's a great player.
Great?
He's done nothing to earn that tag.
I've said before there are lots of things about his game I like, his movement and passing particularly can be top drawer but he can also go missing, he can't tackle and he is slow. Might one day be very good if he applies himself properly but at the moment he's a 'highlights' player for me, not one to build your team around.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 10:55:01 AM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Richard Dunne was their player of the season in an average side too.
Several times.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2010, 11:06:10 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
He was their player of the year when they were a pretty average team, when they went up a level he struggled.
When he came on at Villa Park this season he completely changed the game, eventually making a massive contribution to them earning a point. He kept the ball and used it intelligently. He's a little scrote but there's no doubt he's a great player.
Great?
He's done nothing to earn that tag.
I've said before there are lots of things about his game I like, his movement and passing particularly can be top drawer but he can also go missing, he can't tackle and he is slow. Might one day be very good if he applies himself properly but at the moment he's a 'highlights' player for me, not one to build your team around.
Playing Ireland in a two would mean we'd need a specialist holding player behind him, so an upgrade on Petrov, which we need anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2010, 11:06:31 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
He was their player of the year when they were a pretty average team, when they went up a level he struggled.
When he came on at Villa Park this season he completely changed the game, eventually making a massive contribution to them earning a point. He kept the ball and used it intelligently. He's a little scrote but there's no doubt he's a great player.
Great?
He's done nothing to earn that tag.
I've said before there are lots of things about his game I like, his movement and passing particularly can be top drawer but he can also go missing, he can't tackle and he is slow. Might one day be very good if he applies himself properly but at the moment he's a 'highlights' player for me, not one to build your team around.
He absolutely CAN tackle though. He's at least as good a player as Milner, and is much better than Downing, who is the player you should be looking at if you want the definition of somebody who doesn't even attempt to tackle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2010, 11:15:35 AM
Chris, the season they had Robinho, De Jong, Bellamy, Given etc etc he wazs player of the year, not when they had Uwe Rosler and Paul Dickov. To belittle that achievement is frankly an absurd vantage point. Ireland is a very, very decent player going forward, and I would wager none of us (unless watching for the ROI) have seen enough of him through a whole game to notice his defensive side, as you simply don't scrutinize the opposition as readily as you do your own.
If we can get over 20 million plus Ireland for a player who has done 6 months in the middle and will only go if he indicates he wants to, then it would be a bloody good deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 11:31:07 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Ireland is far too inconsistent to be considered as an equal to Milner. Yes he's got a bit of flair and an eye for a pass but he's a luxury player not one to build your team around like Jimmy.
For two years he was the very model of consistency, and was Man City's player of the year last season (07/08) at the age of 22. This season he's been disrupted by injury and the general silliness at Man City. I think you're being unduly harsh on him, he's an excellent player. Given that Milner has only really caught they eye after a half season of playing in central midfield, I'm not sure how you can say one player is more consistent than the other.
He was their player of the year when they were a pretty average team, when they went up a level he struggled.
When he came on at Villa Park this season he completely changed the game, eventually making a massive contribution to them earning a point. He kept the ball and used it intelligently. He's a little scrote but there's no doubt he's a great player.
Great?
He's done nothing to earn that tag.
I've said before there are lots of things about his game I like, his movement and passing particularly can be top drawer but he can also go missing, he can't tackle and he is slow. Might one day be very good if he applies himself properly but at the moment he's a 'highlights' player for me, not one to build your team around.
He absolutely CAN tackle though. He's at least as good a player as Milner, and is much better than Downing, who is the player you should be looking at if you want the definition of somebody who doesn't even attempt to tackle.
Seriously, he can't tackle. He tries but he's just shit at it. He makes Pual Scholes look like Roy Keane.
He is not as good a player as Milner. he might possibly be if he sorted his attitude out but there's a reason why Mancini is looking to replace him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 11:32:54 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Chris, the season they had Robinho, De Jong, Bellamy, Given etc etc he wazs player of the year, not when they had Uwe Rosler and Paul Dickov. To belittle that achievement is frankly an absurd vantage point. Ireland is a very, very decent player going forward, and I would wager none of us (unless watching for the ROI) have seen enough of him through a whole game to notice his defensive side, as you simply don't scrutinize the opposition as readily as you do your own.
If we can get over 20 million plus Ireland for a player who has done 6 months in the middle and will only go if he indicates he wants to, then it would be a bloody good deal.
He played in a team full of fancy dans who finished mid table because they were too soft. Ireland was a big part of that soft midfield.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2010, 11:34:28 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Chris, the season they had Robinho, De Jong, Bellamy, Given etc etc he wazs player of the year, not when they had Uwe Rosler and Paul Dickov. To belittle that achievement is frankly an absurd vantage point. Ireland is a very, very decent player going forward, and I would wager none of us (unless watching for the ROI) have seen enough of him through a whole game to notice his defensive side, as you simply don't scrutinize the opposition as readily as you do your own.
If we can get over 20 million plus Ireland for a player who has done 6 months in the middle and will only go if he indicates he wants to, then it would be a bloody good deal.
It's quite an easy equation really:- good player + £20m > better player
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on June 01, 2010, 11:41:36 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Chris, the season they had Robinho, De Jong, Bellamy, Given etc etc he wazs player of the year, not when they had Uwe Rosler and Paul Dickov. To belittle that achievement is frankly an absurd vantage point. Ireland is a very, very decent player going forward, and I would wager none of us (unless watching for the ROI) have seen enough of him through a whole game to notice his defensive side, as you simply don't scrutinize the opposition as readily as you do your own.
If we can get over 20 million plus Ireland for a player who has done 6 months in the middle and will only go if he indicates he wants to, then it would be a bloody good deal.
He played in a team full of fancy dans who finished mid table because they were too soft. Ireland was a big part of that soft midfield.
Ireland was the only one who came out of it with credit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2010, 11:44:12 AM
The stats seem to back up the views of the few City fans I know who say that he works very hard for the team. For the 08/09 season, that's an awful lot of tackles for somebody who isn't very good at it. (In fact, exactly the same "tackles per minute" as Petrov).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 11:54:24 AM
The stats seem to back up the views of the few City fans I know who say that he works very hard for the team. For the 08/09 season, that's an awful lot of tackles for somebody who isn't very good at it. (In fact, exactly the same "tackles per minute" as Petrov).
I don't need stats I've seen Ireland plenty of times to know that he's not a tackler. You wouldn't risk him in a 4 which means that you'd have to change the whole style of play to suit him. Some players are that good to make it worthwhile. Stephen Ireland isn't one of them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 11:55:22 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Chris, the season they had Robinho, De Jong, Bellamy, Given etc etc he wazs player of the year, not when they had Uwe Rosler and Paul Dickov. To belittle that achievement is frankly an absurd vantage point. Ireland is a very, very decent player going forward, and I would wager none of us (unless watching for the ROI) have seen enough of him through a whole game to notice his defensive side, as you simply don't scrutinize the opposition as readily as you do your own.
If we can get over 20 million plus Ireland for a player who has done 6 months in the middle and will only go if he indicates he wants to, then it would be a bloody good deal.
He played in a team full of fancy dans who finished mid table because they were too soft. Ireland was a big part of that soft midfield.
If you say so but when the team improved he got left behind.
Ireland was the only one who came out of it with credit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 01, 2010, 12:06:47 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I don't need stats I've seen Ireland plenty of times to know that he's not a tackler. You wouldn't risk him in a 4 which means that you'd have to change the whole style of play to suit him. Some players are that good to make it worthwhile. Stephen Ireland isn't one of them.
Would that be such a bad thing? One might say we need to change our style of play once in a while anyway, it might improve on our home wins ratio a little bit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 01, 2010, 12:17:04 PM
The stats seem to back up the views of the few City fans I know who say that he works very hard for the team. For the 08/09 season, that's an awful lot of tackles for somebody who isn't very good at it. (In fact, exactly the same "tackles per minute" as Petrov).
I don't need stats I've seen Ireland plenty of times to know that he's not a tackler. You wouldn't risk him in a 4 which means that you'd have to change the whole style of play to suit him. Some players are that good to make it worthwhile. Stephen Ireland isn't one of them.
The stats say that he made over 100 successful tackles in the 08/09 season. People I know who regularly watch Man City say he's no Roy Keane, but neither is he Stewart Downing. If those 100 plus tackles weren't actually tackles, what where they?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DBTW on June 01, 2010, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I don't need stats I've seen Ireland plenty of times to know that he's not a tackler. You wouldn't risk him in a 4 which means that you'd have to change the whole style of play to suit him. Some players are that good to make it worthwhile. Stephen Ireland isn't one of them.
Would that be such a bad thing? One might say we need to change our style of play once in a while anyway, it might improve on our home wins ratio a little bit.
The way milner leaves us over exposed we should change the way we play to fit him in the central position. Ireland would be more disciplined in holding the central area. Not saying Milner isn't meant to roam, but it does leave us open
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 01, 2010, 01:18:21 PM
Ireland and £20m would be a great deal in exchange for milner-as long as mon invests wisely on decent players!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on June 01, 2010, 01:20:28 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Ireland and £20m would be a great deal in exchange for milner
Not if Milner has a good world cup. Make it £25 - 30 and we'll consider it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2010, 01:24:22 PM
What is Ireland actually valued at? I think I read £12m a week or so ago when he said he wanted to leave, but with a clearly unhappy player and a club that hardly needs the money, surely he'd be chepaer in an open market situation?
I'd say £9m is a likely price and we should be screwing them for at least £30m for Milner. So £20m + Ireland should be the very bottom end of our valuation!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 01, 2010, 03:40:16 PM
As nuts as Ireland appears at times, you simple cannot deny he was superb two seasons ago. He's being pushed out because Man City have new delusions of grandeur, and as such even good players will be replaced to make way for fan and Garry Cook appeasing mercenaries. If Ireland lines up in a Villa kit in August I'll be delighted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 01, 2010, 04:00:31 PM
I think that had City gone with Ireland more often, they would have finished fourth. Mancini went too conservative. He was the difference in the game against us, and should (imo) have been starting with Barry for more games. If you play Ireland, you are going for the win, and the rest of the midfield need to work like fuck to keep it tight. I dont think Petrov is fast enough or industrious enough to play with him and fill those holes that teams like Spurs, Manure, Chelsea and Arsenal will pour through though. Why dont we trade Milner for Barry and Ireland and 10 million?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 01, 2010, 04:01:52 PM
I would like to see us change our formation regardless of whether Milner leaves or not. Adding some class (possibly Ireland) to the centre and giving Young, Downing/Albrigton and one of the CM more license to get forward would hopefully make us a better stronger unit.
I think it mitigates against our weaknesses (Petrov's legs/our soft centre and a lack of partner for Gabby). It also emphasises our strengths (Young's ability and Milner's energy to get forward).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 01, 2010, 04:10:00 PM
Quote from: "John M"
What is Ireland actually valued at? I think I read £12m a week or so ago when he said he wanted to leave, but with a clearly unhappy player and a club that hardly needs the money, surely he'd be chepaer in an open market situation?
I'd say £9m is a likely price and we should be screwing them for at least £30m for Milner. So £20m + Ireland should be the very bottom end of our valuation!
If we are interested in Ireland, why don't we just put an offer in now. Milner is now off limits until after the World Cup, so no business can be done on that front. If they ask stupid money for Ireland, they know they'll get slapped twice as hard when they return for Milner.
There's no rule that Ireland has to be part of the Milner deal. Personally, I'd like to see them both in a Villa team. Pull your finger out, Martin and surprise us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 01, 2010, 04:31:00 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "John M"
What is Ireland actually valued at? I think I read £12m a week or so ago when he said he wanted to leave, but with a clearly unhappy player and a club that hardly needs the money, surely he'd be chepaer in an open market situation?
I'd say £9m is a likely price and we should be screwing them for at least £30m for Milner. So £20m + Ireland should be the very bottom end of our valuation!
If we are interested in Ireland, why don't we just put an offer in now. Milner is now off limits until after the World Cup, so no business can be done on that front. If they ask stupid money for Ireland, they know they'll get slapped twice as hard when they return for Milner.
There's no rule that Ireland has to be part of the Milner deal. Personally, I'd like to see them both in a Villa team. Pull your finger out, Martin and surprise us.
That's what I'd like to happen too.
If it doesn't and we have to lose Milner for Ireland and £20 million, as long as it's put towards a recognised quality striker then I feel we'll be stronger and will improve.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 04:32:23 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "John M"
What is Ireland actually valued at? I think I read £12m a week or so ago when he said he wanted to leave, but with a clearly unhappy player and a club that hardly needs the money, surely he'd be chepaer in an open market situation?
I'd say £9m is a likely price and we should be screwing them for at least £30m for Milner. So £20m + Ireland should be the very bottom end of our valuation!
If we are interested in Ireland, why don't we just put an offer in now. Milner is now off limits until after the World Cup, so no business can be done on that front. If they ask stupid money for Ireland, they know they'll get slapped twice as hard when they return for Milner.
There's no rule that Ireland has to be part of the Milner deal. Personally, I'd like to see them both in a Villa team. Pull your finger out, Martin and surprise us.
I'd be happy with that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on June 01, 2010, 05:30:10 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "John M"
What is Ireland actually valued at? I think I read £12m a week or so ago when he said he wanted to leave, but with a clearly unhappy player and a club that hardly needs the money, surely he'd be chepaer in an open market situation?
I'd say £9m is a likely price and we should be screwing them for at least £30m for Milner. So £20m + Ireland should be the very bottom end of our valuation!
If we are interested in Ireland, why don't we just put an offer in now. Milner is now off limits until after the World Cup, so no business can be done on that front. If they ask stupid money for Ireland, they know they'll get slapped twice as hard when they return for Milner.
There's no rule that Ireland has to be part of the Milner deal. Personally, I'd like to see them both in a Villa team. Pull your finger out, Martin and surprise us.
I'd be happy with that.
I agree this would be the ideal situation Milner alongside Ireland with Petrov just behind them in a midfield 3 would work a treat IMO.
Keane seems like a likely purchase to me, although I'd prefer a younger more exciting second striker personally. If Onuoha is also available I'd get him in too would be a great versatile addition.
Although I did feel Milner would go at the right price, I'd still much prefer him to stay on a new contract and alongside Ireland would make a very good midfield too!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 01, 2010, 05:41:26 PM
I like the look of that side, BedsVillain but I can't see an O'Neill team lining up with just 3 outfield players over 6 foot, and one of them (Onuoha) barely that.
If we do go Keane + Agbonlahor upfront, you can bet your bottom dollar Cuellar will still be right back and we'll be signing a physical and tall midfielder.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 01, 2010, 05:45:00 PM
I'd also like the greater defensive stability of having more in midfield so I'd drop Keane on to the bench in favour of Downing or Albrighton.
I'd also like a better and younger defensive midfielder than Petrov to be flanked by Ireland and Milner in a three man midfield.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on June 01, 2010, 05:52:36 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
I like the look of that side, BedsVillain but I can't see an O'Neill team lining up with just 3 outfield players over 6 foot, and one of them (Onuoha) barely that.
If we do go Keane + Agbonlahor upfront, you can bet your bottom dollar Cuellar will still be right back and we'll be signing a physical and tall midfielder.
I hear where you're coming from JJ, I think in the long run replacing Stan with a more combatitive midfielder would be the way to go, someone like Alou Diarra from Bordeaux would be great. Can't see it happening anytime soon though, MON was singing his praises the other day.
I hope Carlos gets to play in the middle with Dunne as I think that would be a sensational partnership, Onuoha is fairly tall and has a great leap on him too, I think he would be a great addition being able to play all across the back four.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 06:03:58 PM
Onuha is a good player but those with a problem with Cuellar because of his perceived poor distribution will not be appeased by him at right back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 01, 2010, 06:57:55 PM
I'm still sticking with £20m + Hart and Ireland, or as a minimum, £20m + Hart and Bellamy.
But let's keep him, for God's sake we don't want O'Neill pissing the proceeds up the proverbial wall.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 01, 2010, 06:59:42 PM
What? You mean you wouldn't trust him to spend the money wisely?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 01, 2010, 07:03:16 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
What? You mean you wouldn't trust him to spend the money wisely?
I'd trust him with it about as much as Gordon 'Any spare coins down the back of the sofa?' Brown.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kipeye on June 01, 2010, 07:18:35 PM
I can't believe everyone is queueing up on this thread to say how much they want for Milner. Why should we assume he is going because he is the target of a club with lots of cash. Small-time thinking after too many years of Herbertenomics.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 01, 2010, 07:30:14 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I'm still sticking with £20m + Hart and Ireland, or as a minimum, £20m + Hart and Bellamy.
But let's keep him, for God's sake we don't want O'Neill pissing the proceeds up the proverbial wall.
When we did a poll on the subject most of us actually did.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2010, 08:17:48 PM
The stats seem to back up the views of the few City fans I know who say that he works very hard for the team. For the 08/09 season, that's an awful lot of tackles for somebody who isn't very good at it. (In fact, exactly the same "tackles per minute" as Petrov).
I don't need stats I've seen Ireland plenty of times to know that he's not a tackler. You wouldn't risk him in a 4 which means that you'd have to change the whole style of play to suit him. Some players are that good to make it worthwhile. Stephen Ireland isn't one of them.
Play him out wide then with licence to support the strikers. He'd contribute more from the left than Downing has.
Or given you seem to be sticking to the non tackling issue, how about playing him infront of two more defensive minded central midfielders like Petrov and NRC who can tackle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 01, 2010, 08:21:26 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I'm still sticking with £20m + Hart and Ireland, or as a minimum, £20m + Hart and Bellamy.
But let's keep him, for God's sake we don't want O'Neill pissing the proceeds up the proverbial wall.
so you think he's worth about £40 million then ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 01, 2010, 08:25:37 PM
The stats seem to back up the views of the few City fans I know who say that he works very hard for the team. For the 08/09 season, that's an awful lot of tackles for somebody who isn't very good at it. (In fact, exactly the same "tackles per minute" as Petrov).
I don't need stats I've seen Ireland plenty of times to know that he's not a tackler. You wouldn't risk him in a 4 which means that you'd have to change the whole style of play to suit him. Some players are that good to make it worthwhile. Stephen Ireland isn't one of them.
Play him out wide then with licence to support the strikers. He'd contribute more from the left than Downing has.
Or given you seem to be sticking to the non tackling issue, how about playing him infront of two more defensive minded central midfielders like Petrov and NRC who can tackle.
As I've said I do think he's a decent player. It's the claims that he's as good as Milner and a direct replacement that I have issues with added to what even his most enthusiastic admirers would have to accept is a suspect temperament.
If we sell Milner we have to replace him, I'm just not convinced that Ireland is the man.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2010, 08:30:00 PM
Happy with that, that's the nearest "Downing is shite and I wish MON hadn't spunked 12m on him" response we'd get from Chris! (wink).
Sign Ireland regardless and start Downing on the bench for the first game which will hopefully give him a bit of a wake up call and some focus.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2010, 08:33:35 PM
I do think that Young, Milner and Ireland running around behind Gabby with Petrov and AN other behind them pulling the strings would be awesome.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: HOLTENDER on June 01, 2010, 08:45:28 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
I do think that Young, Milner and Ireland running around behind Gabby with Petrov and AN other behind them pulling the strings would be awesome.
Could that AN Other be Reo-Coker?
The best defnsive/combative midfielder we have at the club, who fits snuggly into a 5 man midfield?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 01, 2010, 08:49:15 PM
Quote from: "HOLTENDER"
Quote from: "Dave"
I do think that Young, Milner and Ireland running around behind Gabby with Petrov and AN other behind them pulling the strings would be awesome.
Could that AN Other be Reo-Coker?
The best defnsive/combative midfielder we have at the club, who fits snuggly into a 5 man midfield?
yeah, but we would also need a new manager for that, cus the one we got aint going to play him,
not that i would want him to, as i think he's a bit pants
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 01, 2010, 08:49:48 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
As I've said I do think he's a decent player. It's the claims that he's as good as Milner and a direct replacement that I have issues with added to what even his most enthusiastic admirers would have to accept is a suspect temperament.
If we sell Milner we have to replace him, I'm just not convinced that Ireland is the man.
I pretty much agree with that. They are two very different players.
I like the idea of a player like Ireland, though, in many ways he's what we're missing. He's clearly absolutely hatstand, though. Although I do think he's the sort of player Martin could get the best out of.
With Milner, selling him would be a set back. He's one of our best players, there's no getting away from it. I know there's an argument that we've sold better players than James Milner before and coped with it, but I'd still rather not sell him and not find ourselves forced to cope with it in the first place.
On the plus side, he's not the type of player - the mercurially talented type - it would be nigh-on impossible to replace. I also think, as others have mentioned, that Delph - whilst himself not being a direct replacement - will also mature into an excellent player for us, if handled properly.
For me the worry is as much about what message it sends out to the rest of the league and our squad as it is about losing Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2010, 08:54:42 PM
Quote from: "HOLTENDER"
Quote from: "Dave"
I do think that Young, Milner and Ireland running around behind Gabby with Petrov and AN other behind them pulling the strings would be awesome.
Could that AN Other be Reo-Coker?
The best defnsive/combative midfielder we have at the club, who fits snuggly into a 5 man midfield?
Could be. But ideally I'd want someone better. Petrov and a nice new midfielder next season with NRC offering back-up, Delph and the new guy the season after with Petrov covering the two of them while bringing Gardner through, then Delph, the new guy and Gardner the season after.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 01, 2010, 09:05:56 PM
I like the idea of Milner playing Petrov's role. Might seem a bit harsh but there you go. I'd keep NRC as one of the covering midfielders to play alongside Milner, that way we would have huge workrate in midfield.
Ideally:
-------------Milner---------NRC-------------
Walcott------------Ireland------------Young
---------------------Gabby
With Downing and Albrighton ready to come on and Delph taking over from NRC when he's fit again.
Certainly agree with Dave about the exciting prospect of Delph and Gardner together.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 01, 2010, 09:20:28 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "HOLTENDER"
Quote from: "Dave"
I do think that Young, Milner and Ireland running around behind Gabby with Petrov and AN other behind them pulling the strings would be awesome.
Could that AN Other be Reo-Coker?
The best defnsive/combative midfielder we have at the club, who fits snuggly into a 5 man midfield?
Could be. But ideally I'd want someone better. Petrov and a nice new midfielder next season with NRC offering back-up, Delph and the new guy the season after with Petrov covering the two of them while bringing Gardner through, then Delph, the new guy and Gardner the season after.
If the best we#ve got to offer after the past 3 seasons is a midfield of petrov and NRC then we'll start our journey back down towards the 10th place we were in when we found them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2010, 10:00:41 PM
Reo-Coker isn’t good enough to take us beyond 6th. I like the guy as I think his work rate is excellent, but his second touch is a tackle and that’s not good enough for a central midfield with CL aspirations.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2010, 10:10:51 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "HOLTENDER"
Quote from: "Dave"
I do think that Young, Milner and Ireland running around behind Gabby with Petrov and AN other behind them pulling the strings would be awesome.
Could that AN Other be Reo-Coker?
The best defnsive/combative midfielder we have at the club, who fits snuggly into a 5 man midfield?
Could be. But ideally I'd want someone better. Petrov and a nice new midfielder next season with NRC offering back-up, Delph and the new guy the season after with Petrov covering the two of them while bringing Gardner through, then Delph, the new guy and Gardner the season after.
If the best we#ve got to offer after the past 3 seasons is a midfield of petrov and NRC then we'll start our journey back down towards the 10th place we were in when we found them.
Which is why we need someone better than him. As I think my post suggests.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 01, 2010, 10:15:05 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "HOLTENDER"
Quote from: "Dave"
I do think that Young, Milner and Ireland running around behind Gabby with Petrov and AN other behind them pulling the strings would be awesome.
Could that AN Other be Reo-Coker?
The best defnsive/combative midfielder we have at the club, who fits snuggly into a 5 man midfield?
Could be. But ideally I'd want someone better. Petrov and a nice new midfielder next season with NRC offering back-up, Delph and the new guy the season after with Petrov covering the two of them while bringing Gardner through, then Delph, the new guy and Gardner the season after.
If the best we#ve got to offer after the past 3 seasons is a midfield of petrov and NRC then we'll start our journey back down towards the 10th place we were in when we found them.
Which is why we need someone better than him. As I think my post suggests.
Just adding to your contre-temps not disputing your position.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 01, 2010, 10:17:56 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Just adding to your contre-temps not disputing your position.
Yeah? You wanna make something of it? C'mon then.
*sorry for misunderstanding
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on June 01, 2010, 10:19:29 PM
With Carew, Downing, Keane and AN Other central player in the squad to mix it up. We’d look very good indeed, agreed Dave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on June 01, 2010, 10:31:15 PM
I'm sorry but our team would look a whole lot better without Downing in it
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 01, 2010, 10:49:01 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I like the idea of Milner playing Petrov's role. Might seem a bit harsh but there you go.
Doesn't seem harsh, but does seem a bit odd.
A midfielder who likes to bomb forward and leave gaps playing a disciplined DM role? That's the worst of both worlds.
We'd be leaving ourselves exposed and limiting his natural game at the same time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: paul_e on June 01, 2010, 10:50:15 PM
I think it's a bit harsh to be overly critical of downing yet. When he came into the side he looked very good for a few games but then fell away. I genuinely think we need to give him a full summer getting into the villa mentality and see how he goes for the first half of next season. If he still looks hopelessly out of his depth then we cut and run in january.
You've got to remember this is a guy who'd been at the same club for 10+ years and had never had a siginificant injury until Petrov nobbled him, his problems seem to be in his head more than in his feet. I've said it about NRC as well, if we could get the 2 of them doing what they're good at, at 100%, they'd be very good players for us. Thankfully I think Downing's issues are much simpler than NRC's to solve and I still hold out hope he's going to be a good player for us.
I'd probably try to play 5 and get him to tuck in though in a 5 of:
albrighton - milner - petrov - downing - young (with delph to come in for petrov)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 01, 2010, 11:00:19 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I like the idea of Milner playing Petrov's role. Might seem a bit harsh but there you go.
Doesn't seem harsh, but does seem a bit odd.
A midfielder who likes to bomb forward and leave gaps playing a disciplined DM role? That's the worst of both worlds.
We'd be leaving ourselves exposed and limiting his natural game at the same time.
He wouldnt be as rigidly dedicated to watching the back 4. As he has more mobility and far more stamina and energy than Petrov he could cover his defensive duties and still commit to the attack, just not as much as a midfielder in front of him, say Ireland.
I think limiting him to attack is as much a waste as limiting him to defence. He can do both. But what I'm suggesting is having a player alongside him (NRC or Delph) to share his defensive duty.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 01, 2010, 11:11:51 PM
According to The Mail Milner met with Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner and didn't feel sufficiently moved by their vision to commit to Villa therefore we have placed a £30m price on him. If this is true then I hope we get rid of the ungrateful little shit ASAP........
I hope the story is bullshit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 01, 2010, 11:18:40 PM
The full article with not one quote. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1283235/James-Milner-cost-30m-Aston-Villa-warn-Manchester-City-England-stars-future-looks-increasingly-uncertain.html
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MattW on June 01, 2010, 11:19:22 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
According to The Mail Milner met with Randy Lerner and Paul Faulkner and didn't feel sufficiently moved by their vision to commit to Villa therefore we have placed a £30m price on him. If this is true then I hope we get rid of the ungrateful little shit ASAP........
I hope the story is bullshit.
Well, the Times (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/football/premier_league/aston_villa/article7142192.ece) has a little note also saying the meeting took place and Villa want £30m. The article doesn't include the 'sources say Milner's non-commitment is a major negative', so the Mail could have embellished themselves there.
But sure, the publicly reported outcome of a meeting between the club and James being the amount he'd cost isn't a brilliant sign.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 01, 2010, 11:36:12 PM
I'd be very suprised if he's still here next season.
£30million, or some combination of money and one or both of Richards and Ireland and I'd be happy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 01, 2010, 11:39:15 PM
15m cash + Onouha and Ireland please.
Add to the 15m cash we get from selling other squad players and we should have 30m to spend on getting in another central midfielder, a good striker and a full back or two.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 01, 2010, 11:46:15 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
15m cash + Onouha and Ireland please.
Add to the 15m cash we get from selling other squad players and we should have 30m to spend on getting in another central midfielder, a good striker and a full back or two.
Whats the point?? We sign replacements manage to break the top 4 and our top players would still get cherry picked. If it happens to Arsenal what chance do we have? Just goes to show unless you have cash youre fucked.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 01, 2010, 11:51:37 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
15m cash + Onouha and Ireland please.
Add to the 15m cash we get from selling other squad players and we should have 30m to spend on getting in another central midfielder, a good striker and a full back or two.
Whats the point?? We sign replacements manage to break the top 4 and our top players would still get cherry picked. If it happens to Arsenal what chance do we have? Just goes to show unless you have cash youre fucked.
Thats the thing though, if they leave on OUR terms it's not the end of the world.
If we can get big money for him now, lets take it and improve.
Spurs have used that model, and they've finally got to the next level. They've been using this model for years. It's only been the last two seasons under the new regime that our players have been targets for richer boys.
We love Milner, but emotion aside he's not worth anything like £30million, probably half that (we overpaid in the first place). That sort of money the likes of David Villa and Fabregas are moving for. Milner costing a reported £10million more than David Silva for example? It's madness.
We must take it, and if we can reinvest it as cleverly as we did the original £12million in Milner we'll be even better for it in the long term.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on June 01, 2010, 11:55:34 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
15m cash + Onouha and Ireland please.
Add to the 15m cash we get from selling other squad players and we should have 30m to spend on getting in another central midfielder, a good striker and a full back or two.
Whats the point?? We sign replacements manage to break the top 4 and our top players would still get cherry picked. If it happens to Arsenal what chance do we have? Just goes to show unless you have cash youre fucked.
The point is you have to keep going! If we have to keep selling and then buying then sobeit, we're not just going to give up because the big boys are picking on us.
Have to agree SHQ, Ireland + Onuoha + 15m sounds a good deal to me, if he is to go that is, obviously I'd prefer him to stay and still get in Ireland and Onuoha and a good link striker too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 02, 2010, 12:00:00 AM
Yeah I know you're right, Spurs have proved that and if anything now look in arguably a stronger position than Arsenal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2010, 04:20:01 AM
To be honest, it seems strange to me that Milner would commit to Manchester City, of all people. He has time on his side, he doesn't need to go now, unlike Barry, and if he were to go he could go to more stable and established clubs than Manchester City. It'd be taking a huge risk on his career, in my opinion.
As for the offering of players, if MON didn't want them in the first place he's not just going to go "oh alright, I'll take them then". Football management doesn't really work like that, or at least not in MON's world. The Mail are saying it's negative, but the Guardian's Stuart James, who broke this story months ago, are saying that Villa feel it's 'positive'. So we can assume that all is bullshit for now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 02, 2010, 07:30:10 AM
I'd ask for Hart, Ireland and possibly Richards.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on June 02, 2010, 07:52:14 AM
I've been thinking about this, I think selling milner for 30 million could be what gets us too the next level.
We will get at least 10 million from other players sold, so 40 million to spend improving the team properly not just for the sake of it.
All this done without a penny off Randy, hopefully meaning that for once we can strenthen in January if we are flying again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on June 02, 2010, 08:21:03 AM
I think the 15 Ireland and Onouha is a good deal too Soccer. Then buy Diame off Wigan, and I would have had a look at Ledley on a free to go with it as we let the squad players go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 02, 2010, 08:32:01 AM
I'd ask for either:
(a) 30 milllion cash. (b) 20 million and Ireland (c) 15 million and Ireland & Belamy & Onuhahaha. (d) 25 million and Belamy and Cook to make an open statement that he used to support Blues as a kid but has since realised that Villa are massive step above and that he's rather embarassed to be associated with the noses.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Archie on June 02, 2010, 08:40:10 AM
Should Milner go, it'd be very, very sad, moreover because (after the Barry's saga) we'd confirm that we are not enough attractive to make our best players stay. I regret the players of the past, particularly the heroes of 1981 and 1982, that were a bunch of fantastic lads, committed to the club and aware of its proud history, not mercenaries like are the 90% of the modern players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 02, 2010, 08:43:16 AM
I think this one may well run on for some time. We've shown that if we set a price we stick to it but I reckon even Man City might wince at £30m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on June 02, 2010, 09:11:09 AM
Quote from: "Archie"
Should Milner go, it'd be very, very sad, moreover because (after the Barry's saga) we'd confirm that we are not enough attractive to make our best players stay. I regret the players of the past, particularly the heroes of 1981 and 1982, that were a bunch of fantastic lads, committed to the club and aware of its proud history, not mercenaries like are the 90% of the modern players.
Too true and we won't be the only ones to suffer this summer. Every club almost is someone elses feeder club. Watch the clamour surrounding Lampard, Gerrard, Ashley Cole, Fabregas, Torres, Arteta et al once the WC is over...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on June 02, 2010, 09:12:52 AM
MARTIN O'NEILL has slapped a £30million price tag on England star James Milner. He acted after the midfielder, a target for Manchester City, told Aston Villa he is ready to leave them this summer.
Milner and his agent met boss O'Neill, American owner Randy Lerner and chief executive Paul Faulkner at Villa's training ground on Monday.
But despite the prospect of a new contract, it seems Milner cannot be persuaded to stay.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 02, 2010, 09:18:11 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I think this one may well run on for some time. We've shown that if we set a price we stick to it but I reckon even Man City might wince at £30m.
Money absolutely is no object for them, I don't think they'd even blink at that price. Let's just hope he has a cracking World Cup and gets one or two big European sides interested to push the price up a bit. We've seen the last of him at VP I fear.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 02, 2010, 09:19:04 AM
Each paper is ptiing their own spin on this:
Quote from: "The Guardian"
Aston Villa have reiterated their desire to hold on to James Milner and say they will not consider changing that stance unless Manchester City increase their bid for the England international to £30m.
That message was spelt out to the player and his agent during an hour-long discussion on Monday, when Martin O'Neill, the manager, and Randy Lerner, the chairman, told Milner how integral he is to the Villa team and how eager they are to keep him at the club in the long term.
Villa have described the talks as positive although Milner left without agreeing to sign a new contract – he has two years remaining on his £45,000-a-week deal – and his future remains unresolved as he boards the plane to South Africa today as part of Fabio Capello's 23-man England squad for the World Cup.
Whether City will return with an improved bid before the finals get under way is uncertain but Villa have made it abundantly clear that the £20m that was tabled a fortnight ago significantly undervalues a player who has gone on to become a permanent fixture in the England set-up since making his debut against Holland in August last year and who, at the age of 24, has time on his side to continue to improve.
Aston Villa's position promises to put City's desire to sign Milner to the test. Brian Marwood, City's football administrator, has followed Milner's career with interest ever since he broke through at Leeds United as a 16-year-old and he is determined to bring the PFA Young Player of the Year to Eastlands this summer. Marwood worked closely with Milner during his previous employment at Nike and believes he has all the characteristics to be a major success at City.
Yet there must come a point when even a club with City's extraordinary wealth question whether they are getting value for money. Milner, after all, cost Villa £12m when he arrived from Newcastle United less than two years ago and it is only during the last season, when O'Neill moved him into a central role, that he has really caught the eye. The most likely scenario seems to be that a game of brinkmanship will develop, with City expected to try to tempt Villa with players as well as cash in exchange for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Countryside Villain on June 02, 2010, 09:21:50 AM
I don't want him to go but I think that kind of sum would be good business for us. I can understand why Milner might at least be waiting to see if Villa make any moves in the market before or during the World Cup. He's not going to want to hang around on a promise only to see August 31st arrive and we've signed Carlton Cole.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 02, 2010, 09:23:23 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I think this one may well run on for some time. We've shown that if we set a price we stick to it but I reckon even Man City might wince at £30m.
Money absolutely is no object for them, I don't think they'd even blink at that price. Let's just hope he has a cracking World Cup and gets one or two big European sides interested to push the price up a bit. We've seen the last of him at VP I fear.
I disagree. I'm, not saying that they won't pay it (they might, they might not) but they will not just agree to it without blnking otherwise they make themselves look a soft touch.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 02, 2010, 09:27:49 AM
Quote from: "Monty"
To be honest, it seems strange to me that Milner would commit to Manchester City, of all people. He has time on his side, he doesn't need to go now, unlike Barry, and if he were to go he could go to more stable and established clubs than Manchester City. It'd be taking a huge risk on his career, in my opinion.
I'm not too sure. It's been reported he won't go to Man Utd as he's a Leeds lad. It may not have mattered to the likes of Alan Smith, but I do think Milner has more integrity than that. Arsene Wenger can get better value abroad so wouldn't be interested. Spurs may have broke the top 4, but I doubt they can afford to match £30m or the wages City will offer him, plus may not be that great a longterm bet. Liverpool - no chance. So, unless Chelsea come in then Man City are probably his best bet, should he want to go.
After reading three articles now (Mail, Times & Sun) I'd say it's likely this meeting did take place. It's also logical that the club would want to sit down with him ASAP once he was back from England duty. From here I can see it going a little like the Barry to Liverpool saga. We understand the player wishes to leave, but we will firmly stick to out valuation and he won't go anywhere unless it is met. The difference being I can't see Jimmy going crying to the papers and I think Man City will stump up what we want.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 02, 2010, 09:29:47 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I think this one may well run on for some time. We've shown that if we set a price we stick to it but I reckon even Man City might wince at £30m.
Money absolutely is no object for them, I don't think they'd even blink at that price. Let's just hope he has a cracking World Cup and gets one or two big European sides interested to push the price up a bit. We've seen the last of him at VP I fear.
I disagree. I'm, not saying that they won't pay it (they might, they might not) but they will not just agree to it without blnking otherwise they make themselves look a soft touch.
I didn't mean that they've put a blank cheque in the post for whatever we want, but someone I know who has dealings with City said that they'd have paid whatever it takes to sign Lescott last year, and that they'll do the same with Milner this year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 02, 2010, 09:51:08 AM
I was thinking about this yesterday on the way home from Bradford, I'm very much in the 'keep him' camp, but obviously that could prove to be very difficult if he's not happy to stay.
So my thoughts are that we should push them for £30m plus Onhuha. I think they'd go for that eventually.
That, plus say £10m transfer kitty and another £5m from sales (maybe more but I'll be cautious), gives us £45m with the defence covered, save for maybe an up and coming young left back.
Buy Parker, because he may be 29 but he's exactly what we need in midfield, he covers a huge area of midfield, can tackle, can keep the ball, can shoot and can thread a through ball. The player for now.
Buy Carlton Cole, it's not popular and I'm sure many could reel off plenty of reasons and stats why not but when I watch him play, he's developed his game immensley, in the same manner as Gabby has, he's got a great touch, is very strong, he's very quick and he can turn and get a shot away and create a chance for himself. I see him fitting in very well to our side.
And finally, buy Walcott. It's a risk worth taking. If the penny drops, and he's playing every week and he fulfills his potential then the money we'll have made off Milner would look like chicken feed.
I don't think any of those are out of our reach.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2010, 09:51:53 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
15m cash + Onouha and Ireland please.
Add to the 15m cash we get from selling other squad players and we should have 30m to spend on getting in another central midfielder, a good striker and a full back or two.
Whats the point?? We sign replacements manage to break the top 4 and our top players would still get cherry picked. If it happens to Arsenal what chance do we have? Just goes to show unless you have cash youre fucked.
So what?!
As long as the football club still exists and remains extremely competitive, then I don't care how leaves us each summer. The last time I go cut up about a player going was when Yorke left.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 02, 2010, 10:01:11 AM
If our immediate aim is CL football, lets not forget that Spurs achieved this despite, and maybe infact because of, selling Berbatov and Carrick.
It's what we do with the money that will define our status in the game.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 02, 2010, 10:08:51 AM
Quote from: "John M"
If our immediate aim is CL football, lets not forget that Spurs achieved this despite, and maybe infact because of, selling Berbatov and Carrick.
It's what we do with the money that will define our status in the game.
True, if a deal is done in sufficient time for us to spend it. Lescott moving so late last summer screwed Everton for the first half of the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 02, 2010, 10:09:42 AM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
As long as the football club still exists and remains extremely competitive, then I don't care how leaves us each summer. The last time I go cut up about a player going was when Yorke left.
Abso-flippin-lutely. We've lost better players than James Milner in the past and will do so in the future.
Everyone thought it would be the end of the world when Platty left, but BFR invested that £5.5m really well and we were a much better team as a result. If we get loads of cash and/or players as a result of this then hopefully MON can do the same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 02, 2010, 10:15:11 AM
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Everyone thought it would be the end of the world when Platty left, but BFR invested that £5.5m really well and we were a much better team as a result. If we get loads of cash and/or players as a result of this then hopefully MON can do the same.
It may not be quite as simple as this, but what would be better:- Villa with James Milner? or Villa with Stephen Ireland and a new £20m striker?
Even as someone who has argued on this thread that Ireland isn't as good as Milner, I'd still go for Ireland and the striker every time!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 02, 2010, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Everyone thought it would be the end of the world when Platty left, but BFR invested that £5.5m really well and we were a much better team as a result. If we get loads of cash and/or players as a result of this then hopefully MON can do the same.
It may not be quite as simple as this, but what would be better:- Villa with James Milner? or Villa with Stephen Ireland and a new £20m striker?
Even as someone who has argued on this thread that Ireland isn't as good as Milner, I'd still go for Ireland and the striker every time!
Me too John, absolutely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on June 02, 2010, 10:30:26 AM
i have seen all the paper talk this morning and it does look positive. The only paper story i have seen where it states that milner wants to leave is the sun.
Nearly every other tabloid is saying that the talks were apparantly positive.
So to me that says that there must be some truth in it as apart from the sun every other paper is saying the same thing which is that milner looks like he wants to stay
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 02, 2010, 10:57:31 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Everyone thought it would be the end of the world when Platty left, but BFR invested that £5.5m really well and we were a much better team as a result. If we get loads of cash and/or players as a result of this then hopefully MON can do the same.
It may not be quite as simple as this, but what would be better:- Villa with James Milner? or Villa with Stephen Ireland and a new £20m striker?
Even as someone who has argued on this thread that Ireland isn't as good as Milner, I'd still go for Ireland and the striker every time!
I maintain that this would see us progress greatly.
The loss of Milner would be big but with Ireland playing to the level we know he can and hopefully the emergence of say Albrighton to provide that up and down energy that would be missing I think we would improve greatly if of course we could get in that quality striker. I might not even be adverse to Keane short term.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Villan On The Wirral on June 02, 2010, 11:21:56 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Everyone thought it would be the end of the world when Platty left, but BFR invested that £5.5m really well and we were a much better team as a result. If we get loads of cash and/or players as a result of this then hopefully MON can do the same.
It may not be quite as simple as this, but what would be better:- Villa with James Milner? or Villa with Stephen Ireland and a new £20m striker?
Even as someone who has argued on this thread that Ireland isn't as good as Milner, I'd still go for Ireland and the striker every time!
Me too John, absolutely.
and me.ireland is quality
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Willie Anderson on June 02, 2010, 11:31:16 AM
As I've stated before, Milner & his agent are not going to commit themselves to ANY club whilst negotiations are on-going & thus weaken their bargaining position.
I'd be more worried if Tottenham or Arsenal were sniffing around a move to either of them would make more sense.
I can't see JM moving to Citeh at all, where he would not be guaranteed a starting position. Macini could be out on his ear if they have a wobbler next season & if this spending cap comes in in 2012 they may have to ship out any number of players.
As long as we offer him a decent contract I expect him to stay.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 02, 2010, 11:40:13 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Everyone thought it would be the end of the world when Platty left, but BFR invested that £5.5m really well and we were a much better team as a result. If we get loads of cash and/or players as a result of this then hopefully MON can do the same.
It may not be quite as simple as this, but what would be better:- Villa with James Milner? or Villa with Stephen Ireland and a new £20m striker?
Even as someone who has argued on this thread that Ireland isn't as good as Milner, I'd still go for Ireland and the striker every time!
Me too John, absolutely.
And then it all comes down as to which striker we sign.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 02, 2010, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
As long as the football club still exists and remains extremely competitive, then I don't care how leaves us each summer. The last time I go cut up about a player going was when Yorke left.
Abso-flippin-lutely. We've lost better players than James Milner in the past and will do so in the future.
Everyone thought it would be the end of the world when Platty left, but BFR invested that £5.5m really well and we were a much better team as a result. If we get loads of cash and/or players as a result of this then hopefully MON can do the same.
My thoughts too. I feel like I SHOULD be more distraught about the prospect of him leaving because we all love him but I don't actually feel that way unless I make myself. That's because a) anything over 25million is seriously good business and b) good player that he is, this is no Yorke or Platt we're talking about. If and it's a big if admittedly, we looked in the right places, we could get a player of the same ability for not much more than half of what we receive for Milner.
My anger towards this whole saga is more directed towards what it means for football in general and the way Man City are suddenly able to bully bigger clubs but that's a separate argument.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 02, 2010, 12:23:04 PM
There could be a bit of a knock on effect developing now with Barca submitting a written offer for Fabregas??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 02, 2010, 12:50:25 PM
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
My thoughts too. I feel like I SHOULD be more distraught about the prospect of him leaving because we all love him but I don't actually feel that way unless I make myself. That's because a) anything over 25million is seriously good business and b) good player that he is, this is no Yorke or Platt we're talking about. If and it's a big if admittedly, we looked in the right places, we could get a player of the same ability for not much more than half of what we receive for Milner.
My own view is that should he stay he'd be as important to the side next season as either of those two. I rate him very highly and think he's about to step it up another level with a full year in the centre and the added confidence/belief all these plaudits and the World Cup will give him. The ironic thing is that I don't think that will happen at Man City as he'll be in and out of the side and asked to play different roles, such as maybe one of the holding players Mancini likes to play with. With us, he'd play as the box to box midfielder he naturally is and we'd build a side around him.
That having been said, £30m is a good price and probably worth more to us than Jimmy is. Yet if Man City played him right, which I don't think they will, he could prove to be good value for them even at £30m!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on June 02, 2010, 01:32:46 PM
£30m is too much to knock back in my view. If we can screw a cash plus players deal that would improve the team then so be it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 02, 2010, 01:40:42 PM
Quote from: "cheltenhamlion"
£30m is too much to knock back in my view. If we can screw a cash plus players deal that would improve the team then so be it.
Agree. Good as he is, he's not worth £30m. If it happens, I get the feeling it will be either £25m in straight cash or £20m + a player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on June 02, 2010, 01:47:06 PM
I get the feeling that top european and continental players are no longer looking to play in the prem, that means quality British players will very expensive.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 02, 2010, 01:48:49 PM
I think the concept of 'worth' goes out the window in terms of transfers these days. It's a matter of how much the buying club are prepared to pay and how much the selling club want to say yes to the deal. Whether or not the player is actually worth it is secondary.
IMO, Milner may not be worth £30m, but that doesn't matter if Man City are prepared to pay it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on June 02, 2010, 01:57:01 PM
Quote from: "ROBBO"
I get the feeling that top european and continental players are no longer looking to play in the prem, that means quality British players will very expensive.
I think they already are aren't they? Even some not so quality British players seem more expensive than their continental counterparts!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 02, 2010, 01:58:41 PM
Quote from: "John M"
I think the concept of 'worth' goes out the window in terms of transfers these days. It's a matter of how much the buying club are prepared to pay and how much the selling club want to say yes to the deal. Whether or not the player is actually worth it is secondary.
IMO, Milner may not be worth £30m, but that doesn't matter if Man City are prepared to pay it.
I agree.
The issue with Man City is that they're paying over the odds for players. That's an issue primarily for them, but also for the rest of the market as it has a knock-on effect.
Is Milner worth 30m? No.
Was Lescott worth 24m? No.
Did Man City pay 24m for Lescott? Yes.
If they paid 24m for Lescott, should they be willing to pay 30m for Milner? Yes.
That's the poisonous effect they're having on the game, and it'll be ten times worse when you bring into play the wages factor.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on June 02, 2010, 03:00:06 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "John M"
I think the concept of 'worth' goes out the window in terms of transfers these days. It's a matter of how much the buying club are prepared to pay and how much the selling club want to say yes to the deal. Whether or not the player is actually worth it is secondary.
IMO, Milner may not be worth £30m, but that doesn't matter if Man City are prepared to pay it.
I agree.
The issue with Man City is that they're paying over the odds for players. That's an issue primarily for them, but also for the rest of the market as it has a knock-on effect.
Is Milner worth 30m? No.
Was Lescott worth 24m? No.
Did Man City pay 24m for Lescott? Yes.
If they paid 24m for Lescott, should they be willing to pay 30m for Milner? Yes.
That's the poisonous effect they're having on the game, and it'll be ten times worse when you bring into play the wages factor.
They're doing it now, though, because they know that Platini's regulations will put a pretty firm stop to this. Which is a long-term relief, but cold comfort in the short-term.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 02, 2010, 05:45:51 PM
If Milner stays, we keep a great young prospect for our midfield, arguably one to build a team around. If he goes, we potentially receive 30 million pounds with or without other players in one of the last transfer windows where the value will be so high. 30 million may be the "market" price, but as many threads have shown, its overpriced. We cant lose. Im looking forward to next season whatever the outcome.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2010, 06:57:12 PM
Agreed it's no lose. Sense would dictate that for 30 million, we take it, and then boost our summer budget to around 50. 5 players around the 10 mill quality would significantly improve us.
Because of what Milner offers in midfield, I'd say you'd need 2 players to replaces him, but if we were to get 20 as well as Ireland, then spend a chunk of that 20 on a top quality defensive midfielder, we'll be better.
Whatever happens, I'd trust that if we signed 5 players this summer, O Neill will get it right for 3, and that could be enough to compete.
The key is getting someone to anchor that midfied and protect the back 4, and a top class striker.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on June 02, 2010, 06:57:29 PM
I'm now actually thinking we should sell him for the right price as it would be a chance to bring in a couple of quality midfield players to replace him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 02, 2010, 07:02:13 PM
I'd say as well, that if we can buy a wide man who can push Young and Downing for a place, it'd be most beneficial. Young needs to regain his form from a year or two back, and Downing needs to turn up at the Villa, because he hasn't arrived yet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on June 02, 2010, 07:04:34 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
I'd say as well, that if we can buy a wide man who can push Young and Downing for a place, it'd be most beneficial. Young needs to regain his form from a year or two back, and Downing needs to turn up at the Villa, because he hasn't arrived yet.
SWP?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 02, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
I think the only reason that it would be worth buying Wright-Phillips is to prevent him having his usual one excellent game of the season against us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on June 02, 2010, 07:11:18 PM
He does tend to do well against us to be fair. Good player but maybe a little inconsistent with his final ball.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 02, 2010, 08:13:51 PM
Remember the endless debates on here one summer at 12m who of SWP or Milner would represent the best deal.
Despite all my indifference to whether he goes or not, I still remain a fan of Milner, how he plays and also how he conducts himself off the pitch aswell. A class act.
When we signed him for 12m and he had a dodgy start, I said not to worry as he'd be worth every penny and so it's proved.
Just 30m is a massive amount of money. Or 15m and players like Ireland and Onouha.
It's for someone who only started playing central midfield in December. Who we be getting these sorts of bids if he'd remained out wide all season? I suspect not.
I think once the world cup is over Man. City will push the bid up to 30m or less with a player or two in and that is simply too good to turn down.
No guarentee we'll finish higher than 6th with him in the team next season especially if the lack of creativity remains. And if he dosen't sign a new contract we won't get as much for him.
Let's do something different for a change and see what happens.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on June 02, 2010, 08:46:12 PM
SWP is still in my opinion a better winger than Milner.
People forget that until Milner moved into the middle he was not our best player, Ash was.
I agree that it is no lose, because if we keep him great, but if we dont 30 million is massive!
One thing that is apparent though is how far apart Milner is away from the likes of Gerrard, who looked a class above when they switched positions in the mexico game.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on June 02, 2010, 08:49:13 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
SWP is still in my opinion a better winger than Milner.
People forget that until Milner moved into the middle he was not our best player, Ash was.
I agree that it is no lose, because if we keep him great, but if we dont 30 million is massive!
One thing that is apparent though is how far apart Milner is away from the likes of Gerrard, who looked a class above when they switched positions in the mexico game.
I forgot to say Milner is by far a better player than SWP.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on June 02, 2010, 08:58:27 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
Quote from: "gibbo"
SWP is still in my opinion a better winger than Milner.
People forget that until Milner moved into the middle he was not our best player, Ash was.
I agree that it is no lose, because if we keep him great, but if we dont 30 million is massive!
One thing that is apparent though is how far apart Milner is away from the likes of Gerrard, who looked a class above when they switched positions in the mexico game.
I forgot to say Milner is by far a better player than SWP.
I like SWP, think he's a very good footballer. I don't think he's a great winger, but when he has the ball in the middle and gets the chance to run at defenders he always looks a threat. Was very glad he got the nod ahead of Walcott for the WC. If we're struggling for a goal with 20 mins to go he's a much better option.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 03, 2010, 09:59:12 AM
30 mil or piss off...
win / win for us...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 03, 2010, 10:07:35 AM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
30 mil or piss off...
win / win for us...
Agree, Villa are in a very good position here.
If he stays , great , build a team round him. If we get 30 million, excellent buisness and we can buy 3 quality players with that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jeowje on June 03, 2010, 01:16:42 PM
Except that any selling club could then dig their heels in for an inflated price, knowing that we have just screwed Man City and now have lots of money to spend...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on June 03, 2010, 04:10:41 PM
In which case swap Milner for SWP, Ireland and maybe Richards and it's job done
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 03, 2010, 08:39:54 PM
Quote from: "Des Little"
In which case swap Milner for SWP, Ireland and maybe Richards and it's job done
Yeah Des, that would really help our wage bill.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on June 03, 2010, 09:50:57 PM
So how do we improve the squad without affecting the wage bill then? I think if you can crack that one, you'll get a stand named after you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 04, 2010, 07:04:58 AM
Quote from: "Des Little"
So how do we improve the squad without affecting the wage bill then? I think if you can crack that one, you'll get a stand named after you.
Not buying Man City's overpaid crap.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 04, 2010, 09:14:37 AM
Reported on the radio today, rumours that YaYa Toure has signed for Man City.
Isn't he a similar kind of player to Milner? If so, that would suggest a move there is less likely for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 04, 2010, 09:16:58 AM
He's a big, dominant holding player. Vieira replacement I'd assume, and make it tougher for Barry and De Jong.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 04, 2010, 09:31:56 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Reported on the radio today, rumours that YaYa Toure has signed for Man City.
Isn't he a similar kind of player to Milner? If so, that would suggest a move there is less likely for him.
I had already spent the £30 million as well on our team..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on June 04, 2010, 11:43:53 AM
If that's true that they have signed Toure I really believ we could take De Jong off their hands, which would be brilliant. They have say Barry, Kompany, Viera, De Jong and Toure for a maximum of 2 places, surely they could let De Jong go?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 04, 2010, 11:53:47 AM
Quote from: "pedro25"
If that's true that they have signed Toure I really believ we could take De Jong off their hands, which would be brilliant. They have say Barry, Kompany, Viera, De Jong and Toure for a maximum of 2 places, surely they could let De Jong go?
Possibly but I think Vieira was there for his dressing room influence having been there and done it, he was/is Mancini's ears and eye's in the dressing room. Kompany is a central defender by trade and Barry could be there left back...larf.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 04, 2010, 12:08:00 PM
I think if De Jong is available he'll go to a bigger club.
He's looked very good & his reputation is growing.
He's better than Mascherano & Mikel & other players who play that position.
Kompany would be a more realistic option.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 04, 2010, 10:12:09 PM
Poor Garry Barry.....getting more isolated by the week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on June 04, 2010, 11:54:54 PM
Barry will be shipped out this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 05, 2010, 12:27:48 AM
Quote from: "ROBBO"
Barry will be shipped out this summer.
To whom?
He has four years left on a contract worth in excess of £100,000 per week.
Why would he leave and who else would pick up that contract?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 05, 2010, 12:32:01 AM
Tottingham would be my bet.
Might take a hit on the wages, but creative accounting re signing on fees et.c could still make it a goer.
Part of me would like to see us go for him, but returning to us would be like admitting defeat.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: usav on June 05, 2010, 12:41:42 AM
Returning to us after one season would be taking the urine.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 05, 2010, 12:47:09 AM
Tottenham, Arsenal, Liverpool all possible destinations.
Maybe even Chelsea? English quota, Ballack crocked and getting on, Joe Cole leaving to free up a midfield spot..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Vancouver on June 05, 2010, 01:43:54 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I think if De Jong is available he'll go to a bigger club.
He's looked very good & his reputation is growing.
He's better than Mascherano & Mikel & other players who play that position.
Kompany would be a more realistic option.
didn't De Jong start nearly every game in the league?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kipeye on June 05, 2010, 03:22:55 PM
I have said this a few times now, I cannot understand why De Jong gets a game for City. Although he has played slightly better in the last few games neither I or most City fans I know rate him. Ireland and Barry are both better players by far and yes Kompany would be a good bet-he is a very good player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kipeye on June 05, 2010, 03:24:12 PM
.. And anyway-we are not selling Milner so all this is irrelevant.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kipeye on June 05, 2010, 03:24:38 PM
... I hope.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2010, 04:11:06 PM
I'm not a big fan of De Jong either. He's like the Dutch Coker, and his price tag was ridiculous.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on June 05, 2010, 04:27:04 PM
If there's a dirtier player than De Jong in English football, then I've not seen him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on June 05, 2010, 04:44:32 PM
Why on earth would we want Barry back? We need to improve.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on June 05, 2010, 04:56:43 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
If there's a dirtier player than De Jong in English football, then I've not seen him.
Exhibit A: Lee Cattermole Exhibit B: Michael Brown
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 05, 2010, 05:00:37 PM
Quote from: "eamonn"
Quote from: "Ads"
If there's a dirtier player than De Jong in English football, then I've not seen him.
Exhibit A: Lee Cattermole Exhibit B: Michael Brown
No further questions your honour.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on June 05, 2010, 05:22:25 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
I'm not a big fan of De Jong either. He's like the Dutch Coker, and his price tag was ridiculous.
Glad I'm not the only one. He's ok but over-rated in my opinion. He can tackle for sure but then so can I. A Dutch Coker is a very good description...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 05, 2010, 07:23:28 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "supertom"
I'm not a big fan of De Jong either. He's like the Dutch Coker, and his price tag was ridiculous.
Glad I'm not the only one. He's ok but over-rated in my opinion. He can tackle for sure but then so can I. A Dutch Coker is a very good description...
Certainly isn't a favourite with the City fans. He's not the marquee sort they feel they should get everytime, and he was also double the price he was worth.
He might be Dutch but he's not exactly a magician with a football. Touch isn't great and his passing isn't either. Granted he's not playing the fancy role, but there's far better out there who could play an anchor role for us. I'd rather have Scott Parker. He's a decent passer of the ball, not spectacular, but he'll keep it and drives the midfield on. Even then, we should be looking at better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 05, 2010, 07:29:38 PM
Quote from: "eamonn"
Quote from: "Ads"
If there's a dirtier player than De Jong in English football, then I've not seen him.
Exhibit A: Lee Cattermole Exhibit B: Michael Brown
See also Lorik Cana.
Him and Cattermole must be the dirtiest central midfield partnership in years.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 05, 2010, 07:35:37 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "eamonn"
Quote from: "Ads"
If there's a dirtier player than De Jong in English football, then I've not seen him.
Exhibit A: Lee Cattermole Exhibit B: Michael Brown
See also Lorik Cana.
Him and Cattermole must be the dirtiest central midfield partnership in years.
And add to that David Meyler.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 05, 2010, 08:11:14 PM
I've decided now that it should be Kompany and Ireland +£20m for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 05, 2010, 08:16:02 PM
Mascherano and Song aren't hatchet men but they're the sort of destructive central midfielders who foul every 5 seconds and break up attacks without getting a yellow unitl the 85th minute that Wenger was whinging about ironically enough.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 05, 2010, 08:22:45 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Mascherano and Song aren't hatchet men but they're the sort of destructive central midfielders who foul every 5 seconds and break up attacks without getting a yellow unitl the 85th minute that Wenger was whinging about ironically enough.
Totally agree.
If Song played against Arsenal, Wenger would moan his ugly face off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 06, 2010, 08:49:41 PM
So, if we're beleiving the press it's a £25m 'take it or leave it' offer from Man City.
Simple question - yes or no?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 06, 2010, 08:50:31 PM
no.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 06, 2010, 08:52:03 PM
Yes!But it must be spent on 2 quality signings
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on June 06, 2010, 09:41:03 PM
No. It's £30m or no deal
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 06, 2010, 09:56:36 PM
Quote from: "John M"
So, if we're beleiving the press it's a £25m 'take it or leave it' offer from Man City.
Simple question - yes or no?
Big fat fckuing no.
Our player = our terms.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 06, 2010, 09:57:50 PM
If it's Steven Ireland delivering the cheque and he's stopping around then yes.
If not, then no.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on June 06, 2010, 10:00:04 PM
No. Not unless it also involves two players. And one of those players isn't Santa Cruz.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jeff on June 06, 2010, 10:19:15 PM
Quote from: "John M"
So, if we're beleiving the press it's a £25m 'take it or leave it' offer from Man City.
Simple question - yes or no?
No
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on June 06, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "John M"
So, if we're beleiving the press it's a £25m 'take it or leave it' offer from Man City.
Simple question - yes or no?
Big fat fckuing no.
Our player = our terms.
Exactly. Not so much leave it as fuck off. We've got plenty of time to see if any other teams come in with an offer. And if they don't he stays at Villa. We can't lose.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 06, 2010, 10:39:52 PM
I think we'd seriously consider and possibly accept 30m which Man. City could well up to in August.
Or Ireland and 20m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on June 06, 2010, 11:41:22 PM
Dear Man City.
Regarding your 'take it or leave it offer'
We do not want to sell James Milner and certainly not for the piss poor offer you have made. We hold the ace card here, if you want it, we want Richards, Ireland, Santa Cruz, De Jong AND £20m. Take it or leave it.
Love Aston Villa x
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: regular_john on June 07, 2010, 12:07:57 AM
I don't think we should sell Milner under any circumstances. I think some people are underestimating just how good this player is, he is by far the best player in our squad and by far the best player we have had for years, probably since Yorke. Keep in mind that Milner has played CM for less than one season, yet has scored 12 goals from that position, as well as winning man of the match more times than I care to count. In the next season or two, I believe Milner will really make this position his own, I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that he could very well be the next Steven Gerrard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 07, 2010, 12:20:18 AM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 07, 2010, 12:23:41 AM
no chance at 27m. just not worth our while.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Summers on June 07, 2010, 12:50:00 AM
"25m. Take it or leave it." "Seeya then." "...27m! Take it or leave it." "Seeya then."
Wonder what they'll come back with next, for their final final final offer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tommy_boy on June 07, 2010, 01:19:53 AM
£30m or no thanks
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 07, 2010, 05:30:53 AM
Quote from: "Summers"
"25m. Take it or leave it." "Seeya then." "...27m! Take it or leave it." "Seeya then."
Wonder what they'll come back with next, for their final final final offer.
£27m plus David White.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tepavilla on June 07, 2010, 07:10:33 AM
Either £30m or £31m+Vassell will do
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: *shellac* on June 07, 2010, 07:42:23 AM
Quote from: "tepavilla"
Either £30m or £31m+Vassell will do
I don't think Ankaragücü can afford that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2010, 08:43:51 AM
Quote from: "regular_john"
I don't think we should sell Milner under any circumstances. I think some people are underestimating just how good this player is, he is by far the best player in our squad and by far the best player we have had for years, probably since Yorke. Keep in mind that Milner has played CM for less than one season, yet has scored 12 goals from that position, as well as winning man of the match more times than I care to count. In the next season or two, I believe Milner will really make this position his own, I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that he could very well be the next Steven Gerrard.
I generally agree with that but you're forgeting the possibility that Milner may not want to play for us. If that is the case, we have no other option than to sell.
I'm still waiting for us to put a bid in for Ireland. It's the type of signing that may go some way to convince James we're heading in the right direction and no just looking to stand still. A change of heart as to how we approach the Europa League may also help. I guess all top players want to test themselves against foreign opposition, whether it be by playing for their country or European competitions. It would also give us some valueable experience should we one day actually qualify for the Champions League, rather than go in there as European virgins.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 07, 2010, 09:54:46 AM
If we've set a £30m price tag and nobody meets it, then he stays. See Gareth Barry circa summer 2008. I'd normnally qualify that with what he'll be like for us if he wants to go and doesn't, but I don't think it's in his nature to be anything other than 100% professional.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 07, 2010, 09:58:14 AM
MANCHESTER CITY will make a final £27million bid for James Milner in the hope of luring the England star to Eastlands.
Roberto Mancini has already seen a £20m offer rejected by Aston Villa, who are holding out in the hope of receiving £30m.
Mancini is desperate to add Milner to his squad for next season and believes he could be instrumental in helping his side get into the Champions League. But he is not prepared to go any higher than £27m and will tell Villa to do business at this price or forget about a deal.
The club’s billionaire backers from Abu Dhabi are refusing to be held to ransom and believe their offer is a fair price.
I hate the slant they put on the story, it sounds almost as if we've rang City and asked how much would they give us for Jimmy!!
Get it through your thick skulls - WE DON'T WANT TO SELL HIM!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mark H on June 07, 2010, 10:07:04 AM
Little Ason Villa will be forced to accept the offer the impish little tinkers are holding out for 30m bless them ....
Thats pretty much how most of the press stories read to me
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 07, 2010, 10:17:00 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "regular_john"
I don't think we should sell Milner under any circumstances. I think some people are underestimating just how good this player is, he is by far the best player in our squad and by far the best player we have had for years, probably since Yorke. Keep in mind that Milner has played CM for less than one season, yet has scored 12 goals from that position, as well as winning man of the match more times than I care to count. In the next season or two, I believe Milner will really make this position his own, I don't think I'm exaggerating to say that he could very well be the next Steven Gerrard.
I generally agree with that but you're forgeting the possibility that Milner may not want to play for us. If that is the case, we have no other option than to sell.
I'm still waiting for us to put a bid in for Ireland. It's the type of signing that may go some way to convince James we're heading in the right direction and no just looking to stand still. A change of heart as to how we approach the Europa League may also help. I guess all top players want to test themselves against foreign opposition, whether it be by playing for their country or European competitions. It would also give us some valueable experience should we one day actually qualify for the Champions League, rather than go in there as European virgins.
Yep, I'd be really impressed. Signing a player that can't get into the Man City first team???
Irelands a decent player but thats it. Ability wise he's better than some of our midfielders but why on Earth would Milner think 'Wow, Villa really mean business signing one of Citys reserves'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 07, 2010, 10:22:29 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Get it through your thick skulls - WE DON'T WANT TO SELL HIM!!!
I think that reads to me that we will be happy to sell him if they match our valuation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2010, 10:35:22 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
I'm still waiting for us to put a bid in for Ireland. It's the type of signing that may go some way to convince James we're heading in the right direction and no just looking to stand still. A change of heart as to how we approach the Europa League may also help. I guess all top players want to test themselves against foreign opposition, whether it be by playing for their country or European competitions. It would also give us some valueable experience should we one day actually qualify for the Champions League, rather than go in there as European virgins.
Yep, I'd be really impressed. Signing a player that can't get into the Man City first team???
Irelands a decent player but thats it. Ability wise he's better than some of our midfielders but why on Earth would Milner think 'Wow, Villa really mean business signing one of Citys reserves'
Whilst the jury may still be out on just how good Ireland is, he'd certainly be a good addition of our squad and the type of player that can change a game in an instant. Steve Sidwell he ain't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 07, 2010, 10:40:53 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
I'm still waiting for us to put a bid in for Ireland. It's the type of signing that may go some way to convince James we're heading in the right direction and no just looking to stand still. A change of heart as to how we approach the Europa League may also help. I guess all top players want to test themselves against foreign opposition, whether it be by playing for their country or European competitions. It would also give us some valueable experience should we one day actually qualify for the Champions League, rather than go in there as European virgins.
Yep, I'd be really impressed. Signing a player that can't get into the Man City first team???
Irelands a decent player but thats it. Ability wise he's better than some of our midfielders but why on Earth would Milner think 'Wow, Villa really mean business signing one of Citys reserves'
Whilst the jury may still be out on just how good Ireland is, he'd certainly be a good addition of our squad and the type of player that can change a game in an instant. Steve Sidwell he ain't.
I agree, but your point is it will signal our intent to Milner, which it would and I don't think he'd be too impressed. Not when the team who are bidding for you are rumoured to be close to signing Edin Dzeko, Yaya Toure amongst others.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 07, 2010, 10:41:08 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "John M"
Get it through your thick skulls - WE DON'T WANT TO SELL HIM!!!
I think that reads to me that we will be happy to sell him if they match our valuation.
So don't treat some nonsense written in the Daily Express as the gospel truth and you'll probably be a much happier boy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 07, 2010, 10:45:35 AM
have to laugh at the media agendas...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 07, 2010, 10:49:01 AM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
have to laugh at the media agendas...
"Trying to sell as many newspapers as possible"?
What other agenda do you think there might be?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
have to laugh at the media agendas...
"Trying to sell as many newspapers as possible"?
What other agenda do you think there might be?
They're all, to a man, anti-Villa. Didn't you know that by now?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 07, 2010, 10:51:38 AM
The £30 million is a made up figure.
The trouble with the Citeh money is that it's making money almost valueless so 'even' £30 million looks low.
I'd much rather see us take SWP, Ireland and Bellamy plus £10 million which we could then add to our kitty and spend on some more quality.
I guess we're a bit like Everton were when they had Rooney on their hands at the moment and as long we cash in on JM in our favour at least we can use the opportunity to improve the whole team .... imo
PS. I base this on the fact that MIlner hasn't committed himself to us and as such am thinking that he is listening to those offers with interest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2010, 10:53:40 AM
The key is whether on not milner wants to sign an extension , if not in a yrs time he will have oy one yreft on his contract and the price would drop massively.
If James wants to stay he will sign a new contract, if not then it would be better to sell now rather than wait a year.
If we got Ireland and keane in for milner I think it would be good business-a yr ago many people would have rated Ireland higher than milner, if we could get Ireland playing as he can he would be a great signing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 07, 2010, 10:54:06 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
The £30 million is a made up figure.
The trouble with the Citeh money is that it's making money almost valueless so 'even' £30 million looks low.
I'd much rather see us take SWP, Ireland and Bellamy plus £10 million which we could then add to our kitty and spend some more quality.
I guess we're a bit like Everton were when they had Rooney on their hands at the moment and as long we cash in on JM in our favour at least we can use the opportunity to improve the whole team team .... imo
PS. I base this on the fact that MIlner hasn't committed himself to us and as such am thinking that he is listening to those offers with interest.
IF we do value Milner at £30m then I'm sure City will equate your deal at around the £40m mark......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 07, 2010, 10:54:18 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
have to laugh at the media agendas...
"Trying to sell as many newspapers as possible"?
What other agenda do you think there might be?
I reckon in this instance they are acting on a leak from Man City or an agent involved on their behalf and by wording it in a way that keeps them happy they can gurantee themsleves more stories from the same source.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2010, 10:55:22 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
I'm still waiting for us to put a bid in for Ireland. It's the type of signing that may go some way to convince James we're heading in the right direction and no just looking to stand still. A change of heart as to how we approach the Europa League may also help. I guess all top players want to test themselves against foreign opposition, whether it be by playing for their country or European competitions. It would also give us some valueable experience should we one day actually qualify for the Champions League, rather than go in there as European virgins.
Yep, I'd be really impressed. Signing a player that can't get into the Man City first team???
Irelands a decent player but thats it. Ability wise he's better than some of our midfielders but why on Earth would Milner think 'Wow, Villa really mean business signing one of Citys reserves'
Whilst the jury may still be out on just how good Ireland is, he'd certainly be a good addition of our squad and the type of player that can change a game in an instant. Steve Sidwell he ain't.
I agree, but your point is it will signal our intent to Milner, which it would and I don't think he'd be too impressed. Not when the team who are bidding for you are rumoured to be close to signing Edin Dzeko, Yaya Toure amongst others.
Citeh are rumoured to be interested in every decent player. Mancini has today come out and said he's surprised at the number of players they've been linked with as he's only looking to make a couple of additions to their squad.
If Ireland does leave Citeh, it will certainly be to a top 6 side. He's not as bad as you make out unless you also want to also dismiss Robinho as a Citeh reject. Much depends on the manager's tactics rather than the quality of the player. I still believe Ireland could do a great job for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 07, 2010, 10:57:54 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
have to laugh at the media agendas...
"Trying to sell as many newspapers as possible"?
What other agenda do you think there might be?
I reckon in this instance they are acting on a leak from Man City or an agent involved on their behalf and by wording it in a way that keeps them happy they can gurantee themsleves more stories from the same source.
So "reporting something they have been told to try and sell more newspapers"?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 07, 2010, 11:00:12 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
I'm still waiting for us to put a bid in for Ireland. It's the type of signing that may go some way to convince James we're heading in the right direction and no just looking to stand still. A change of heart as to how we approach the Europa League may also help. I guess all top players want to test themselves against foreign opposition, whether it be by playing for their country or European competitions. It would also give us some valueable experience should we one day actually qualify for the Champions League, rather than go in there as European virgins.
Yep, I'd be really impressed. Signing a player that can't get into the Man City first team???
Irelands a decent player but thats it. Ability wise he's better than some of our midfielders but why on Earth would Milner think 'Wow, Villa really mean business signing one of Citys reserves'
Whilst the jury may still be out on just how good Ireland is, he'd certainly be a good addition of our squad and the type of player that can change a game in an instant. Steve Sidwell he ain't.
I agree, but your point is it will signal our intent to Milner, which it would and I don't think he'd be too impressed. Not when the team who are bidding for you are rumoured to be close to signing Edin Dzeko, Yaya Toure amongst others.
Citeh are rumoured to be interested in every decent player. Mancini has today come out and said he's surprised at the number of players they've been linked with as he's only looking to make a couple of additions to their squad.
If Ireland does leave Citeh, it will certainly be to a top 6 side. He's not as bad as you make out unless you also want to also dismiss Robinho as a Citeh reject. Much depends on the manager's tactics rather than the quality of the player. I still believe Ireland could do a great job for us.
You're getting me wrong I rate Ireland. I think he'd do a good job for us I just don't think he would be anywhere near enough to make Milner think that Villa are really going places.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 07, 2010, 11:00:15 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
The £30 million is a made up figure.
The trouble with the Citeh money is that it's making money almost valueless so 'even' £30 million looks low.
I'd much rather see us take SWP, Ireland and Bellamy plus £10 million which we could then add to our kitty and spend some more quality.
I guess we're a bit like Everton were when they had Rooney on their hands at the moment and as long we cash in on JM in our favour at least we can use the opportunity to improve the whole team team .... imo
PS. I base this on the fact that MIlner hasn't committed himself to us and as such am thinking that he is listening to those offers with interest.
IF we do value Milner at £30m then I'm sure City will equate your deal at around the £40m mark......
Maybe, but what's another £10 million to them ?
Screw the bastards !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 07, 2010, 11:03:02 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
The £30 million is a made up figure.
The trouble with the Citeh money is that it's making money almost valueless so 'even' £30 million looks low.
I'd much rather see us take SWP, Ireland and Bellamy plus £10 million which we could then add to our kitty and spend some more quality.
I guess we're a bit like Everton were when they had Rooney on their hands at the moment and as long we cash in on JM in our favour at least we can use the opportunity to improve the whole team team .... imo
PS. I base this on the fact that MIlner hasn't committed himself to us and as such am thinking that he is listening to those offers with interest.
IF we do value Milner at £30m then I'm sure City will equate your deal at around the £40m mark......
Maybe, but what's another £10 million to them ?
Screw the bastards !
I think if we don't want to sell then we should be compensated if Milner really wants the deal to go ahead. The only problem with this situation then is that every team we deal with is going to expect extra.......
It probably looks like I'm arguing for the sake of it, I'm not I promise.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 07, 2010, 11:08:13 AM
Re us looking wealthy from the JM proceeds --- hence the incoming of 3 class players from Citeh as opposed to a wad of money for MON to waste.
It's not rocket science.
They ( Citeh ) desperately want Milner and have seemingly a bottomless pit of dosh.
It's an opportunity to rape them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 07, 2010, 11:08:30 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "John M"
Get it through your thick skulls - WE DON'T WANT TO SELL HIM!!!
I think that reads to me that we will be happy to sell him if they match our valuation.
If that's the way you read it fair enough, but I think a truer reflection of the actual position would be "We are reluctantly prepared to sell if they meet our valuation and the player wants to go."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 07, 2010, 11:11:34 AM
Let's not forget Randy has said that Milner is going nowhere. Much will depend on whether Milner actually wants to stay. Obviously his agent will try and push for the move, Citeh are interested but in the end it's Milner's decision.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 07, 2010, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
You're getting me wrong I rate Ireland. I think he'd do a good job for us I just don't think he would be anywhere near enough to make Milner think that Villa are really going places.
I agree with that.
He's be an asset to us, but not a head turning signing by any means.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 07, 2010, 11:16:14 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
You're getting me wrong I rate Ireland. I think he'd do a good job for us I just don't think he would be anywhere near enough to make Milner think that Villa are really going places.
I agree with that.
He's be an asset to us, but not a head turning signing by any means.
I think he'd be an excellent signing. It's not going to be signings that make Milner's mind up one way or the other, it's how much Man City are going to pay him. If he's on say, £60k a week at Villa, and Man City add a £100K a week on to that, he's not going to turn down an extra £15m over three years is he? I don't care if he is a nice lad, or still lives at home with his mum or whatever, nobody in their right mind would turn that down. I certainly wouldn't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 07, 2010, 11:23:33 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Let's not forget Randy has said that Milner is going nowhere. Much will depend on whether Milner actually wants to stay. Obviously his agent will try and push for the move, Citeh are interested but in the end it's Milner's decision.
But we all know that everyone and everything has a price Mark.
As Risso says, £15 million extra over 3 years is a massive amount of money to turn down.
If we were Leeds he just may, but we're not (thank God !)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2010, 11:35:43 AM
I would t hold a grudge against milner if he went- he's a professional, villa aren't his team and if he can treble his wages and play alongside world class players good luck to him.
Man city are going only one way- it's just how quick they will get there-I agree milner will be the next gerrard and probably the mainstay of the England team with Rooney for the next 10 yrs.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on June 07, 2010, 12:33:24 PM
Quote from: "east19"
I agree milner will be the next gerrard and probably the mainstay of the England team with Rooney for the next 10 yrs.
In that case £30 million will be a small price to pay for him. £35 million would be a small price come to think of it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on June 07, 2010, 12:38:29 PM
They're taking the piss out of us. If we sell for a penny less than £30m questions need to be asked.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: montague on June 07, 2010, 12:48:08 PM
We should wait and see what sort of world cup he as before we can determine his true value.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on June 07, 2010, 12:56:42 PM
Quote from: "montague"
We should wait and see what sort of world cup he as before we can determine his true value.
That's what Man City don't want. Hence all this "take it or leave it" stuff.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 07, 2010, 12:57:53 PM
And so far we're 'leaving it' and rightly so!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 07, 2010, 01:13:27 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
have to laugh at the media agendas...
"Trying to sell as many newspapers as possible"?
What other agenda do you think there might be?
to brain dead moronic sheep...
i dont believe there is an "anti villa" agenda, but there is an agenda towards the north west and london clubs via the media...
and with idiots like shaun custis telling people what to think, its no surprise the amount of garbage that the average highlight generation "fan" comes out with... regurgitating the media agendas...
couple of examples in recent times involving the villa... the media telling people that we boo'd gabriel agbonlahor when he was subbed... i lost count the amount of morons who slated us as a fanbase and insisted that we boo'ed the player... despite the fact that i was at the game and i know that the decision to sub him, was cheered... not boo'ed...
the villa fans boo'ing at the wigan game was compared by mick dennis to the millwall v west ham fans rioting and stabbing each other on sky sports news...
i dont trust or like the media in this country... i certainly dont believe the shit that they peddle, and i do believe that they have agendas...
i have never said that those agendas are against the villa...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: wookster on June 07, 2010, 01:22:30 PM
Milner is not a squad player which is on of the reasons he likes playing at the Villa, cant see him wanting to be a super sub at Man City
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 07, 2010, 01:48:51 PM
Milner would be the star man at city within months and it would be Barry on the bench.
I can't see anything happening now until after the world cup as capello has stated club matters must wait as the players are on world cup duty.
Just Reading the new mon book and even at Celtic and Leicester he was known for his last minute dealing- I expect most of our transfers to be done in august so we might as well relax and enjoy the world cup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 07, 2010, 08:58:42 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
have to laugh at the media agendas...
"Trying to sell as many newspapers as possible"?
What other agenda do you think there might be?
to brain dead moronic sheep...
i dont believe there is an "anti villa" agenda, but there is an agenda towards the north west and london clubs via the media...
and with idiots like shaun custis telling people what to think, its no surprise the amount of garbage that the average highlight generation "fan" comes out with... regurgitating the media agendas...
couple of examples in recent times involving the villa... the media telling people that we boo'd gabriel agbonlahor when he was subbed... i lost count the amount of morons who slated us as a fanbase and insisted that we boo'ed the player... despite the fact that i was at the game and i know that the decision to sub him, was cheered... not boo'ed...
the villa fans boo'ing at the wigan game was compared by mick dennis to the millwall v west ham fans rioting and stabbing each other on sky sports news...
i dont trust or like the media in this country... i certainly dont believe the shit that they peddle, and i do believe that they have agendas...
i have never said that those agendas are against the villa...
They have the agenda to try and sell as many papers as possible and as much advertising space in those papers as they can.
There is no other agenda other than that. Unless you can come up with an alternative?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 07, 2010, 09:00:14 PM
What happened to the ellipses link?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 07, 2010, 09:00:51 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
What happened to the ellipses link?
It was showing for me as a blank post, so I removed that part.
Let's have another go:
Pablo, if you don't know when ellipses are appropriate or not, try this link (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm) for some handy advice.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 07, 2010, 09:02:46 PM
As it was for me until I clicked on the edit button. Try again.
Apologies for the OT tangent here.
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Post by: Legion on June 07, 2010, 09:04:35 PM
Oooh! Quick edit...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lowendbehold on June 07, 2010, 09:11:52 PM
Quote from: "wookster"
Milner is not a squad player which is on of the reasons he likes playing at the Villa, cant see him wanting to be a super sub at Man City
That was the point Richard Dunne made. Milner is not yet the finished article and he needs game time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: berneboy on June 07, 2010, 09:14:36 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Just Reading the new mon book and even at Celtic and Leicester he was known for his last minute dealing- I expect most of our transfers to be done in august so we might as well relax and enjoy the world cup.
I've read the Montgomery biography. Is the new one worth buying? Thanks
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 07, 2010, 09:15:32 PM
Weren't people saying Barry would spend loads of time on the bench, he's played pratically every game he's been firt for.
Man. City wouldn't pay 30m for someone if he wasn't going to play pretty much every week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 07, 2010, 09:21:00 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Legion"
What happened to the ellipses link?
It was showing for me as a blank post, so I removed that part.
Let's have another go:
Pablo, if you don't know when ellipses are appropriate or not, try this link (http://grammar.ccc.commnet.edu/grammar/marks/ellipsis.htm) for some handy advice.
So that's what they're called.
I just assumed that every sentence Pablo wrote was a real cliffhanger...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 07, 2010, 09:21:17 PM
Quote from: "berneboy"
Quote from: "east19"
Just Reading the new mon book and even at Celtic and Leicester he was known for his last minute dealing- I expect most of our transfers to be done in august so we might as well relax and enjoy the world cup.
I've read the Montgomery biography. Is the new one worth buying? Thanks
It seems a bit unauthorised biography and has very big print.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 08, 2010, 07:53:57 AM
Have just finished it, covers mons career from the start up till carling cup final ,well worth a read-I'm gonna sell mine on eBay today for £10 If anyones interested!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 08, 2010, 08:45:29 AM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Weren't people saying Barry would spend loads of time on the bench, he's played pratically every game he's been firt for.
Man. City wouldn't pay 30m for someone if he wasn't going to play pretty much every week.
Tell that to Robinho.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 08, 2010, 09:11:02 AM
I think the comments, and to be fair they aren't direct quotes, about them fancing him because of the new homegrown quota rule and as he can play in numerous positions, says 'squad player' to me!
But that having been said, he's too good not to get a large number of games for them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: *shellac* on June 08, 2010, 09:39:02 AM
In the end, it's Milner's decision.
I'm pissed off City are treating us as their feeder club.
Who's next for them to buy from us next season?
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Post by: Mazrim on June 08, 2010, 10:23:26 AM
We've sold one player to them for an inflated price. A player we've clearly had the best from. We used half that money to buy our player of the season from them. I would hardly call that being their feeder club.
There is plenty of business to be done with City as they have so many good players that are hardly getting a game. As long as we come off best, so be it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 08, 2010, 10:57:13 AM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
i dont believe there is an "anti villa" agenda, but there is an agenda towards the north west and london clubs via the media...
Isn't that to do with the fact that north west and london clubs win all the silverware?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 08, 2010, 11:23:03 AM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 08, 2010, 11:31:51 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
They have the agenda to try and sell as many papers as possible and as much advertising space in those papers as they can.
There is no other agenda other than that. Unless you can come up with an alternative?
there is the agenda of the journalsts personal allegience... shaun custis allegience to the barcodes is obvious to most... martin samuels allegience to west ham is not so obvious, but then again, he is one of the better journalists out there, but even that is not saying much...
there is also the agenda of local rags, like the echo who are a mouthpiece for the bin dippers... marca are the same for real madrid... bill howells negative comments about randy lerner when he first came to the club, because he doesnt talk to the media let alone give "exclusives" to people like howell... etc...
they all try to keep certain clubs sweet so that they do not chuck their dollies out of the pram, eg, ferguson at manure not speaking to the bbc anymore... etc...
there ARE agendas within the media, and although i accept that the main aim is to sell papers / gain viewers, etc, that means pandering to the majority glory hunter highlight generation fan, and that in itself, is an agenda...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on June 08, 2010, 12:09:21 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
have to laugh at the media agendas...
"Trying to sell as many newspapers as possible"?
What other agenda do you think there might be?
to brain dead moronic sheep...
i dont believe there is an "anti villa" agenda, but there is an agenda towards the north west and london clubs via the media...
and with idiots like shaun custis telling people what to think, its no surprise the amount of garbage that the average highlight generation "fan" comes out with... regurgitating the media agendas...
couple of examples in recent times involving the villa... the media telling people that we boo'd gabriel agbonlahor when he was subbed... i lost count the amount of morons who slated us as a fanbase and insisted that we boo'ed the player... despite the fact that i was at the game and i know that the decision to sub him, was cheered... not boo'ed...
the villa fans boo'ing at the wigan game was compared by mick dennis to the millwall v west ham fans rioting and stabbing each other on sky sports news...
i dont trust or like the media in this country... i certainly dont believe the shit that they peddle, and i do believe that they have agendas...
i have never said that those agendas are against the villa...
They have the agenda to try and sell as many papers as possible and as much advertising space in those papers as they can.
There is no other agenda other than that. Unless you can come up with an alternative?
Newspapers have all kinds of agendas, as anyone who has ever dealt with editors will tell you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 08, 2010, 01:02:49 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
i dont believe there is an "anti villa" agenda, but there is an agenda towards the north west and london clubs via the media...
Isn't that to do with the fact that north west and london clubs win all the silverware?
Man City and Spurs?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bigmelonface on June 08, 2010, 01:36:38 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
i dont believe there is an "anti villa" agenda, but there is an agenda towards the north west and london clubs via the media...
Isn't that to do with the fact that north west and london clubs win all the silverware?
Man City and Spurs?
Man U and Chelsea ;-))))
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lowendbehold on June 08, 2010, 01:47:15 PM
If Man C leaks to a jorno that they are going to up their offer for Milner, the journo is hardly likely to rubbish the hand that feeds him.
We do not seem to leak who we are interested in, at least not with 'official' leaks. So I suppose journos will have no loyalty to us .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on June 08, 2010, 07:00:21 PM
If opinion and speculation was cut out of articles and nothing but hard fact was printed, you'd be done cover to cover in minutes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 08, 2010, 07:35:25 PM
Maybe has something to do with the pApers being based in Manchester and London as well- we often get mentioned all too rarely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank black on June 09, 2010, 10:18:17 PM
Daily mail on line have pretty much stated we have agreed a fee of 28 mil and deal is as good as done. ??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 09, 2010, 10:20:03 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
i dont believe there is an "anti villa" agenda, but there is an agenda towards the north west and london clubs via the media...
Isn't that to do with the fact that north west and london clubs win all the silverware?
Man City and Spurs?
Well, no, but even in the latter of those two, they've won trophies more recently than us.
I mean the trophies are all won by NW and London clubs, not all NW and London clubs win trophies, but I think you knew that, you crafty scampster.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheTimVilla on June 09, 2010, 10:20:35 PM
link?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 09, 2010, 10:23:20 PM
Quote from: "TimVilla"
link?
Here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285375/James-Milner-expected-complete-28m-Aston-Villa-Manchester-City.html)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank black on June 09, 2010, 10:24:48 PM
Thanks sandman. I am crap with me I phone
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Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 09, 2010, 10:41:32 PM
It's hard to see this not happening. 28 million is fantastic money. I just hope a player or two can be added to the mix (ideally Ireland, Richards). It will be a shame to see him go but this could actually be hugely positive if we get the right deal and the money is spent wisely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 09, 2010, 10:46:37 PM
I would like to see Ireland at Villa in the deal.
Im not sure about Mbark Boussoufa, but he seems to score alot of goals from midfield . I have never seen him play.
Ireland or Hieb and Falcoa up front would be make me feel a little better with JM going.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 09, 2010, 10:53:08 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
It's hard to see this not happening. 28 million is fantastic money. I just hope a player or two can be added to the mix (ideally Ireland, Richards). It will be a shame to see him go but this could actually be hugely positive if we get the right deal and the money is spent wisely.
the only city player the Mirror had us linked to today was Petrov on a free,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 09, 2010, 10:54:36 PM
Well... Let's hope the mirror stay true to form by knowing fuck all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 09, 2010, 10:56:47 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Well... Let's hope the mirror stay true to form by knowing fuck all.
i'm only saying
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 09, 2010, 10:59:06 PM
I must admit i can't see either of the players I mentioned being part exchanged. Petrov is far more realistic, he is a winger after all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2010, 11:03:39 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
I must admit i can't see either of the players I mentioned being part exchanged. Petrov is far more realistic, he is a winger after all.
He also doesn't play for Man City anymore.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 09, 2010, 11:04:30 PM
I don't quite think Money City can offer a player they released yesterday as part of any deal either.
He might sign for us but it will be on his own recognisance rather than City's.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 09, 2010, 11:29:53 PM
I don't think we will sign Petrov, hence me saying I find it more realistic that we'll sign him than richards or Ireland. I am aware he doesn't play for Citeh anymore so won't be part of any deal involving James Milner. We'll see what the mirror says about it tomorrow though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 09, 2010, 11:31:24 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
We'll see what the mirror says about it tomorrow though.
Hopefully you have one as featured in Snow White & The Seven Dwarves rather than going on the say-so of any other form or Mirror.
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Post by: john e on June 09, 2010, 11:36:20 PM
cant believe the Mirror's getting such a slagging, full of truth and honesty, it did go down hill after Piers left admitedly, but still a top notch newspaper
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 09, 2010, 11:36:52 PM
"you talkin' to me"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 09, 2010, 11:39:32 PM
Quote from: "john e"
cant believe the Mirror's getting such a slagging, full of truth and honesty, it did go down hill after Piers left admitedly, but still a top notch newspaper
I really hope your being ironic. I do quite like the articles of Oliver Holt, mind you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 09, 2010, 11:47:52 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "john e"
cant believe the Mirror's getting such a slagging, full of truth and honesty, it did go down hill after Piers left admitedly, but still a top notch newspaper
I really hope your being ironic. I do quite like the articles of Oliver Holt, mind you.
i am being a ironic, but i honestly do take the Mirror, it started 31 years ago when i was 17 as a protest against my Mum and Dads Daily Express, and i just sort of got used to it,
and Oliver Holt is quite good, his mums in Corrie you know
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on June 09, 2010, 11:49:17 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "TimVilla"
link?
Here (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1285375/James-Milner-expected-complete-28m-Aston-Villa-Manchester-City.html)
From that article it sounds as though he is being sold by the club and not MON.
It may happen but not in the way stated in the article. Why would Randy sell one of our star players, upset MON and possibly see MON leave.
If Milner goes, it will be because either he wants to leave or MON accepts the fee as being right for the club.
I think the Mail are putting 2 and 2 together (plus another 2) and coming up with 5. £28m, MON unhappy, MON possibly leaving, Boussoufa. In other words, speculation. Surprised they couldn't fit Petrov and Keane into the same report.
As I said, it may happen but talk about a scatter gun approach to reporting.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 09, 2010, 11:57:08 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "john e"
cant believe the Mirror's getting such a slagging, full of truth and honesty, it did go down hill after Piers left admitedly, but still a top notch newspaper
I really hope your being ironic. I do quite like the articles of Oliver Holt, mind you.
i am being a ironic, but i honestly do take the Mirror, it started 31 years ago when i was 17 as a protest against my Mum and Dads Daily Express, and i just sort of got used to it,
and Oliver Holt is quite good, his mums in Corrie you know
Emily Bishop, bloody hell, did I not know that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 09, 2010, 11:59:19 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "john e"
cant believe the Mirror's getting such a slagging, full of truth and honesty, it did go down hill after Piers left admitedly, but still a top notch newspaper
I really hope your being ironic. I do quite like the articles of Oliver Holt, mind you.
i am being a ironic, but i honestly do take the Mirror, it started 31 years ago when i was 17 as a protest against my Mum and Dads Daily Express, and i just sort of got used to it,
and Oliver Holt is quite good, his mums in Corrie you know
Emily Bishop, bloody hell, did I not know that.
yeah, her husband got shot, sad
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: wookster on June 10, 2010, 07:51:40 AM
Blues tell Mil to thrill at BridgeBy SHAUN CUSTIS
Published: Today JOHN TERRY and Frank Lampard are on a mission to get James Milner to Stamford Bridge.
The Chelsea duo are using the opportunity of the World Cup camp to work on Villa star Milner and persuade him that a move to London would be far better for his career than joining Manchester City.
City have made a £25million bid for Milner, 24, and have offered the midfielder £90,000-a-week.
By contrast Chelsea are only offering £45,000-a-week but they were this season's Double winners and are in next season's Champions League.
Milner has always maintained football is the most important thing to him rather than money - and Blues duo Terry and Lampard are making the same argument.
A Chelsea source said: "It's a difficult one because the difference in wages is so big that James will find it hard to pick Chelsea over City.
"But the advantages at Chelsea are that the team are proven winners and are challenging in Europe's biggest competition. City cannot say the same."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 10, 2010, 07:59:07 AM
£45,000-a-week and all the team-mates wives he can shag.....that'd be Terry's pitch.
One club he'd not fit in at is Chelsea. James Milner seems, at least, to be an anti-cock. How'd he survive amongst the uber-cocks at Stamford Bridge?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2010, 08:19:30 AM
Would prefer to see him go to Chelsea.
Citeh are (still just about) a direct rival. Lets face it, we won't be slugging it out with Chelsea for the league anytime soon.
From a footballing point of view, going to down south should make more sense to him too (I've wrote that and I can barely believe it myself, is this how bad the game is when Chelsea are almost the good guys now?). If he does pitch up at Citeh -who apart from wages can offer him little more than we can at present- you can forget any notions of him being 'different' from most footballers. He'll have shown himself to be as greedy and pre-occupied as the rest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 10, 2010, 08:38:50 AM
Sorry but I just can't picture it. Chelsea - from top to bottom - are a classy, chavvy club. Just think about it for a second. Think of the names on the team-sheet and tell me if "James Milner" fits in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on June 10, 2010, 09:05:09 AM
£28m for Milner? I'd say that is good business, so long as the cash is spent well by the club afterwards.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2010, 09:09:49 AM
Fans apart (some of them at least) Citeh are the same though.
In a lesser of two evils- type way, I'd prefer him to go to the classless shite who've been rich a tad longer, as we still might be able to compete with the other lot (from a playing perspective at least).
Logic would indicate that if they throw enough money at the thing Citeh will eventually crack it. But there are no guarantees. If they go another season without either winning something or top 4, the Arabs might decide that Eastlands isn't the best vehicle to promote their agenda after all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2010, 09:18:16 AM
I'd say this.
This Uefa ruling is going to increase demand for homegrown players the closer it gets.
We play in the wealthiest league. James Milner is the golden boy of the next generation of English players. He will not regress next season.
If we think £28m is a lot now, it could look like chicken feed come next summer.
So, a one year contract extension, sweetened by a juicy pay rise and sold with the promise of a guaranteed central midfield starting place, keep your trap shut with the rags, smile and wave to the fans and we'll definately do business next year if we haven't made the promised land.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 10, 2010, 09:25:33 AM
Quite frankly I don't really care where he goes if he is going, just that we get the best deal possible for Villa.
Despite the Mail and Mirror articles, I honestly don't think anything will happen until after the World Cup now as that's what Capello has said - no transfer/club matters during the tournament. Doesn't mean that a deal won't be struck, just that it'll be kept quiet and concluded later.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 10, 2010, 09:32:56 AM
£28million = yes please.
Boussoufa, Keane and Onuoha with that money with 3-4million left over and another 15-20 to be raised with potential sales...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 10, 2010, 09:46:27 AM
If this Boussoufa link is genuine and the £8m fee correct, that's a direct replacement and £20m left over if he goes for £28m. I'd be tempted to take the majority of it, if not all, and spunk it on a striker, provided we can attract a crica £20m player to the club. We then have the other player sales, plus our own own cash if needed, for everything else we need, which should be loads!
Sell Milner = Boussoufa and new striker Sell NRC & Sidwell = 1 new midfielder (extra £2m needed) Sell Young, Shorey & Beye = 2 new fullbacks (extra £4m needed) Sell Davies & Heskey = the extra we need above
If handled right, we could end up a lot better for a net spend of zero!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on June 10, 2010, 09:56:57 AM
Milner is, and has been, a great player for us. But £28m is a substantial profit that we could usefully reinvest in the team.
Even Ronaldo at the Mancs had a price.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on June 10, 2010, 10:11:53 AM
Never heard of this chap Boussoufa (sorry) - what's he all about?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2010, 10:15:43 AM
Quote from: "Des Little"
Never heard of this chap Boussoufa (sorry) - what's he all about?
Tiny is the first thing that comes to mind. Very similar to Ashley Young, goes down a lot, talented, fast and overall looks a good footballer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2010, 10:30:53 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Des Little"
Never heard of this chap Boussoufa (sorry) - what's he all about?
Tiny is the first thing that comes to mind. Very similar to Ashley Young, goes down a lot, talented, fast and overall looks a good footballer.
He's small-ish, but he's no Barry Bannan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 10, 2010, 10:44:19 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Des Little"
Never heard of this chap Boussoufa (sorry) - what's he all about?
Tiny is the first thing that comes to mind. Very similar to Ashley Young, goes down a lot, talented, fast and overall looks a good footballer.
Played for Cheski once and scores a lot of goals from his position in midfield and can play on the flanks..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 10, 2010, 10:46:42 AM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Des Little"
Never heard of this chap Boussoufa (sorry) - what's he all about?
Tiny is the first thing that comes to mind. Very similar to Ashley Young, goes down a lot, talented, fast and overall looks a good footballer.
He's small-ish, but he's no Barry Bannan.
Yeah, but even Inch High Private Eye is no Barry Bannan!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 10, 2010, 11:05:13 AM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Des Little"
Never heard of this chap Boussoufa (sorry) - what's he all about?
Tiny is the first thing that comes to mind. Very similar to Ashley Young, goes down a lot, talented, fast and overall looks a good footballer.
Played for Cheski once and scores a lot of goals..
So did Carlton Cole and I most certainly don't want him anywhere near Villa Park.
If we did sign him we would probably have to play 5 across the midfield, as he's more your attacking midfielder or as those fancy Europeans refer to as the '10'. He doesn't appear to be your typical MON type player but then who knows, maybe Martin is looking to change things. I for one, certainly hope so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 10, 2010, 11:24:52 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Des Little"
Never heard of this chap Boussoufa (sorry) - what's he all about?
Tiny is the first thing that comes to mind. Very similar to Ashley Young, goes down a lot, talented, fast and overall looks a good footballer.
Played for Cheski once and scores a lot of goals..
So did Carlton Cole and I most certainly don't want him anywhere near Villa Park.
If we did sign him we would probably have to play 5 across the midfield, as he's more your attacking midfielder or as those fancy Europeans refer to as the '10'. He doesn't appear to be your typical MON type player but then who knows, maybe Martin is looking to change things. I for one, certainly hope so.
His scoring record is no better than Carews.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2010, 12:37:32 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
His scoring record is no better than Carews.
If we're limiting ourselves to players with better scoring records than Carew's then we are working from a field of about six players, none of whom will be signing for us anytime soon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on June 10, 2010, 01:41:34 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
His scoring record is no better than Carews.
Who's? Boussoufa's? He's a central midfield player, so I'd say his scoring rate is pretty good. Interesting option, anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2010, 01:49:19 PM
If Milner is going, which seems more and more likely now, it may as well be to Chelsea. I'd rather the player showed the ambition to further his career at club in the CL, then just take the cash. It will also be a massive V sign to Man City and that fucking arrogant 'nose they have working there. If the fee being reported is correct then that is tidy business for the club. If nothing else, the last few years of transfers has proved that NO club is big enough to keep its best players if they really want to move.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 10, 2010, 01:54:36 PM
The thing about Chelsea is that despite winning the double, I'm not 100% convinced that Ancellotti's position is safe. Roman wants the CL and with their aging side they need too much new blood into the club to have it all gell immediately to make that happen in 2011. Milner has commented on all the managerial changes at Leeds and Newcastle and how the stability at Villa has suited him.
I wouldn't be at all surprised to see BOTH Chelsea and Man City have different managers by the end of next season!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on June 10, 2010, 01:59:33 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
If Milner is going, which seems more and more likely now, it may as well be to Chelsea. I'd rather the player showed the ambition to further his career at club in the CL.
Absolutely. I could stomach him moving to the champions, I could stomach him going to Man U. No doubt, they're upward steps for him. But City? Sideways, really. Had Carew's shot dipped under the crossbar rather than hitting it at Eastlands, I'm convinced we'd have finished above City. That's why I hated seeing Barry go to City last summer.... and Southgate going to Boro, all those years ago. If we're going to lose our best players, at least they should end up playing at a higher level....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: H00513R on June 10, 2010, 02:50:03 PM
I don't like this one bit. I know 30 mil is a lot of money, but unless we unearth some hidden talent or get going on the transfer market I think we'll be 10th next year. I hope that linked Belgian is good enough to fill Milner's boots.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2010, 03:18:49 PM
Its better for Villa if Milner goes to Chelsea. Its almost a dead-cert that they'll be above Villa anyway, whereas the club's in more direct competition with Man City
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on June 10, 2010, 03:23:05 PM
I suppose the logic is we signed him for £12 mill, he's now worth £30m, Young for £9.65m, now worth c.£25m, therefore if we sign 3 £10mill players with the cash and they all turn out to be £30m players we'll be laughing and far stronger. Even if only 1 of them turn into a £30m player then we have a £30 mill player and 2 £10 mill players instead of a £30m player so we are still stronger.
I think if Milner goes we must try and reinvest the majority of the money into younger players with the ability to become top players, there is no point in bringing in the equivalent of Davies , Downing and Reo Coker or we will go backwards
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 10, 2010, 03:26:44 PM
If we sell Milner for £28m and/or Young for £25m then we're just turning into a top 6 version of Wigan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: usav on June 10, 2010, 03:39:54 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
If we sell Milner for £28m and/or Young for £25m then we're just turning into a top 6 version of Wigan.
Without the top 6 part (if that happens)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Harte on June 10, 2010, 03:41:34 PM
Part of me fears that paying £12M for a player and selling him for £28M might be considered a success.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2010, 03:43:31 PM
The part of you that is Alan Sugar.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Harte on June 10, 2010, 03:45:35 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The part of you that is Alan Sugar.
**shudder**
Sugar would be gloating at the prospect. I won't be, especially if it means we remain a top six club and no better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on June 10, 2010, 03:49:08 PM
There has been no second bid or any close deal, all jackanory apparently.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 10, 2010, 05:13:11 PM
Quote from: "Chris Harte"
Part of me fears that paying £12M for a player and selling him for £28M might be considered a success.
a profit of £16m for a player that's not worth £16m? Too right that's a sucess. And yes we could easily replace him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on June 10, 2010, 05:39:05 PM
so how does MON do on all his signings. Is he making a profit. He'll make a profit on Milner and Young, but lost on Davies, Shorey, Sidwell etc..does it all even out..?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 10, 2010, 05:47:29 PM
I dont think we have sold any of those guys yet. I would think that if he sells a player he wants as much as possible for that guy at that time, and its irrespective of what the player was bought for. Whats spent is spent, and its all asset management today. Jeepers, Rafa I think only net spent a couple of million at Liverpool and it didnt do him or the squad much good. Its not the money in the bank, its the squad you have
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 10, 2010, 06:18:31 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
I dont think we have sold any of those guys yet. I would think that if he sells a player he wants as much as possible for that guy at that time, and its irrespective of what the player was bought for. Whats spent is spent, and its all asset management today. Jeepers, Rafa I think only net spent a couple of million at Liverpool and it didnt do him or the squad much good. Its not the money in the bank, its the squad you have
Exactly. Money in the bank don't win matches.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bigmelonface on June 10, 2010, 07:03:08 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
I dont think we have sold any of those guys yet. I would think that if he sells a player he wants as much as possible for that guy at that time, and its irrespective of what the player was bought for. Whats spent is spent, and its all asset management today. Jeepers, Rafa I think only net spent a couple of million at Liverpool and it didnt do him or the squad much good. Its not the money in the bank, its the squad you have
Exactly. Money in the bank don't win matches.
You could argue Money poorly spent means you stand still while your direct competitors spend their money better and leap frog you whilst still having the burden of players on your books with daft wages that nobody wants to take off your hands.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bigmelonface on June 10, 2010, 07:06:53 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Chris Harte"
Part of me fears that paying £12M for a player and selling him for £28M might be considered a success.
a profit of £16m for a player that's not worth £16m? Too right that's a sucess. And yes we could easily replace him.
Selling one of your best players should never be deemed as a success.
The only reason some are coming round to this train of thought is because they think we need the money to reinvest in the team.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on June 10, 2010, 07:07:35 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Chris Harte"
Part of me fears that paying £12M for a player and selling him for £28M might be considered a success.
a profit of £16m for a player that's not worth £16m? Too right that's a sucess. And yes we could easily replace him.
With whom?
I must confess I wasn`t impressed with him to start but once he moved inside I was pleasantly surprised. He is no winger however he puts in a shift and was the heartbeat of our midfield most of last season.
I will be very disappointed to see him go, primarily as he is a good sold pro and is a great trainer, rarely gets injured and is a great ambassador for club and country.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2010, 07:08:19 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Chris Harte"
Part of me fears that paying £12M for a player and selling him for £28M might be considered a success.
a profit of £16m for a player that's not worth £16m? Too right that's a sucess. And yes we could easily replace him.
I do not think we could replace Milner easily. Also given that we only shop domestically, it will be incredibly hard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2010, 07:16:32 PM
I never believed, as some on here seemed to, that Milner was God's gift but, nevertheless, he is one of our best players so losing him would be a blow. Losing him to one of our rivals for 4th would be a bigger blow.
If he goes no doubt we'll get over the odds for him but we'll have to spend it wisely to see any benefit from it. And that hasn't always been Martin's strongest suit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 10, 2010, 07:23:09 PM
Have faith hilts.........MON has indeed invested it well, he already has a player at VP who is better than Milner, Fabian Delph.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2010, 07:29:21 PM
He may be better than Milner one day, but there is no way he is better than Milner now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2010, 07:38:04 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
Have faith hilts.........MON has indeed invested it well, he already has a player at VP who is better than Milner, Fabian Delph.
But he's not though is he. He might be one day, but he's not there yet. And he's not going to be there next season either, because for him next season is going to be all about recovery.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Uncle Junior on June 10, 2010, 08:52:50 PM
The annoying thing is that clubs we are competing with seem to be able to cherry pick our best players. Why can't we keep them?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 10, 2010, 08:55:48 PM
Quote from: "Uncle Junior"
The annoying thing is that clubs we are competing with seem to be able to cherry pick our best players. Why can't we keep them?
Not clubs - club singular. And they're the richest club in the world so there's no shame in it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2010, 09:07:32 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Uncle Junior"
The annoying thing is that clubs we are competing with seem to be able to cherry pick our best players. Why can't we keep them?
Not clubs - club singular. And they're the richest club in the world so there's no shame in it.
What concerns me is that we're not exactly paupers ourselves and yet it appears we may be tempted to cash in on a player because we're being offered over the odds for him.
For a side that has Champions League ambitions, wouldn't it be more sensible to build the side around Milner rather than go for the money? We can't need it that badly surely?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2010, 09:44:03 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Uncle Junior"
The annoying thing is that clubs we are competing with seem to be able to cherry pick our best players. Why can't we keep them?
Not clubs - club singular. And they're the richest club in the world so there's no shame in it.
What concerns me is that we're not exactly paupers ourselves and yet it appears we may be tempted to cash in on a player because we're being offered over the odds for him.
For a side that has Champions League ambitions, wouldn't it be more sensible to build the side around Milner rather than go for the money? We can't need it that badly surely?
I don't think Milner is good enough to build a top four side around - and if City pay over the odds for him I think it might be in our interests to let him go if we can make good use of the cash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lowendbehold on June 10, 2010, 09:44:34 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Uncle Junior"
The annoying thing is that clubs we are competing with seem to be able to cherry pick our best players. Why can't we keep them?
Not clubs - club singular. And they're the richest club in the world so there's no shame in it.
What concerns me is that we're not exactly paupers ourselves and yet it appears we may be tempted to cash in on a player because we're being offered over the odds for him.
For a side that has Champions League ambitions, wouldn't it be more sensible to build the side around Milner rather than go for the money? We can't need it that badly surely?
Ultimately every player has his price and Milner is not worth anywhere near £30m anymore than Lescott was worth £24m.
We have not got a bottomless pit of money and if we are able to reinvest all of that in say a £20m striker that can score goals and a £10m midfielder who can create goals, then the team will be stronger.
Its not who is on the books now that matters, its who is there next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2010, 09:57:58 PM
Are we saying then that the cash just isn't there to buy this striker and midfielder, unless we sell Milner?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2010, 10:01:25 PM
It goes without saying that we could buy far better strikers and midfielders if we have an extra 30m in the kitty.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2010, 10:05:18 PM
Quote from: "eamonn"
It goes without saying that we could buy far better strikers and midfielders if we have an extra 30m in the kitty.
But it's not an extra £30m is it? It's an extra £30M minus whatever we have to spend on replacing our best player from last season, a hole that wasn't there before.
What I'd be interested to know is how much money there would be available for strengthening, if we didn't sell Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 10, 2010, 10:17:09 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Uncle Junior"
The annoying thing is that clubs we are competing with seem to be able to cherry pick our best players. Why can't we keep them?
Not clubs - club singular. And they're the richest club in the world so there's no shame in it.
What concerns me is that we're not exactly paupers ourselves and yet it appears we may be tempted to cash in on a player because we're being offered over the odds for him.
For a side that has Champions League ambitions, wouldn't it be more sensible to build the side around Milner rather than go for the money? We can't need it that badly surely?
They took Adebayor from Arsenal and Tevez from Man Utd - it just breaks all rules and sense the money they have now!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2010, 10:17:25 PM
I think we have enough money, especially now with a new sponsorship deal, to keep Milner and continue building a top side. And I think we should.
The only Caveats I would add is that an offer too good to refuse comes in, which to my mind would include not only a large cash sum but worthy players we could use and/or that Milner makes it very difficult to keep him, which I do not envisage under any circumstances as he's an honourable level headed and professional chap.
If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible, plus money from other sales and Randy, we could easily fund the tranfers to move us on a level. Without selling Milner. We could probably just about replace him but we could and should build a side around him for years to come. A very successful side.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 10, 2010, 10:23:36 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Without selling Milner. We could probably just about replace him but we could and should build a side around him for years to come.
I agree with this 100%; all I'd add is that I would be concerned about trying to find someone who could have the same impact as Milner did last season. Because if we don't, then straight away we've weakened the side in one position.
I just don't believe our finances are such that we need to accept even a silly money offer. £28M would be over the odds, but only by about £8M-£10M at the most. We don't need it that badly do we?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: robbyfvillain on June 10, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
I'd say this.
This Uefa ruling is going to increase demand for homegrown players the closer it gets.
We play in the wealthiest league. James Milner is the golden boy of the next generation of English players. He will not regress next season.
If we think £28m is a lot now, it could look like chicken feed come next summer.
So, a one year contract extension, sweetened by a juicy pay rise and sold with the promise of a guaranteed central midfield starting place, keep your trap shut with the rags, smile and wave to the fans and we'll definately do business next year if we haven't made the promised land.
Only problem is that Fifa has dropped the rule http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/8733164.stm
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2010, 10:24:56 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible
You reckon we're getting close to £10m per season? I'd be astonished if it were close to that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2010, 10:25:48 PM
I'd go as far as to say that unless we could guarantee an adequate replacement we shouldn't consider any offer at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2010, 10:31:08 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible
You reckon we're getting close to £10m per season? I'd be astonished if it were close to that.
I reckon £5m-£7m per year over 4 or 5 years is reasonable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 10, 2010, 10:36:40 PM
I think milner knowing man city are in for him would probably want to treble his wages and go there-they will win trophies and make the champions league- it's just a matter of when.
Unless he signed a new contract I'd do the deal this summer and let's hope mon spends it well !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 10, 2010, 10:39:00 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible
You reckon we're getting close to £10m per season? I'd be astonished if it were close to that.
I reckon £5m-£7m per year over 4 or 5 years is reasonable.
So we wouldn't be getting £30 million to spend this summer, and if we couldn't get £2 million two years ago, £7 million now would be at the top end of optimistic.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 10, 2010, 10:42:31 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible
You reckon we're getting close to £10m per season? I'd be astonished if it were close to that.
I reckon £5m-£7m per year over 4 or 5 years is reasonable.
So we wouldn't be getting £30 million to spend this summer, and if we couldn't get £2 million two years ago, £7 million now would be at the top end of optimistic.
I dont know. Nobody met Randy's criteria two years ago, now they have. Until I hear the details of the deal its just speculation but £5m-£7m a year isnt outlandish for a top Premier League club, which we surely are.
If its less, so be it. It should be and probably would be put into any transfer fund.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 10, 2010, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible
You reckon we're getting close to £10m per season? I'd be astonished if it were close to that.
I reckon £5m-£7m per year over 4 or 5 years is reasonable.
So we wouldn't be getting £30 million to spend this summer, and if we couldn't get £2 million two years ago, £7 million now would be at the top end of optimistic.
I think that's comparable to clubs around us though, isn't it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Osbourne4England on June 10, 2010, 10:51:49 PM
Oh come on, let's face it. Milner is off and there's not a great deal we can do about it...I'm not being funny but I think us fans have to shoulder some of the blame if he does leave. The sorts of discussions on here must be read by some of the players. I'm not on about the discussions regarding Milner's future, I'm on about people's expectations.
I see loads of people on here saying how they're happy with 6th place! 6th for christ's sake. I gave up supporting Man Utd to start watching the mighty Villa 2 years ago, so I feel I'm in a good position to say that these sorts of fans saying 6th is okay, we don't want you at Villa Park. Of course Milner is going to want to leave if he thinks we're just going to settle for 6th year in year out.
Good God, show a little ambition! We need a winning mentality, and this negativity shown from some fans saying that the best we can hope for is 6th is unbelievable. Without this winning mentality though sadly I fear you may be right that our team won't be progressing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2010, 10:53:54 PM
Quote from: "Osbourne4England"
Oh come on, let's face it. Milner is off and there's not a great deal we can do about it...I'm not being funny but I think us fans have to shoulder some of the blame if he does leave. The sorts of discussions on here must be read by some of the players. I'm not on about the discussions regarding Milner's future, I'm on about people's expectations.
I see loads of people on here saying how they're happy with 6th place! 6th for christ's sake. I gave up supporting Man Utd to start watching the mighty Villa 2 years ago, so I feel I'm in a good position to say that these sorts of fans saying 6th is okay, we don't want you at Villa Park. Of course Milner is going to want to leave if he thinks we're just going to settle for 6th year in year out.
Good God, show a little ambition! We need a winning mentality, and this negativity shown from some fans saying that the best we can hope for is 6th is unbelievable. Without this winning mentality though sadly I fear you may be right that our team won't be progressing.
Nice attempt at a comedy login, but you're going to have to find another one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 12:08:07 AM
Quote from: "Osbourne4England"
Oh come on, let's face it. Milner is off and there's not a great deal we can do about it...I'm not being funny but I think us fans have to shoulder some of the blame if he does leave. The sorts of discussions on here must be read by some of the players. I'm not on about the discussions regarding Milner's future, I'm on about people's expectations.
Aye.
It's the paying spectators wot did it.
It's a flawless argument, I'll give you that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 11, 2010, 02:18:59 AM
A little bird tells me I'm in the right area with my guess. Interesting.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 05:48:46 AM
I heard that RL's approach to it was it had to be £3 million + per annum or we'd stick with Acorns.
Not sure if this deal is £3 million on the nose or more based on performance though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 08:30:47 AM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Without selling Milner. We could probably just about replace him but we could and should build a side around him for years to come.
I agree with this 100%; all I'd add is that I would be concerned about trying to find someone who could have the same impact as Milner did last season. Because if we don't, then straight away we've weakened the side in one position.
I just don't believe our finances are such that we need to accept even a silly money offer. £28M would be over the odds, but only by about £8M-£10M at the most. We don't need it that badly do we?
That's all assuming that the player himself has no say in the matter.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2010, 10:16:43 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
That's all assuming that the player himself has no say in the matter.
That's not my assumption. Of course the player's wishes come into it, but they're not the only factor.
There's very little point in keeping a player who isn't happy but then there's no evidence to suggest Milner is unhappy. What would he be unhappy about?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 10:19:03 AM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
That's all assuming that the player himself has no say in the matter.
That's not my assumption. Of course the player's wishes come into it, but they're not the only factor.
There's very little point in keeping a player who isn't happy but then there's no evidence to suggest Milner is unhappy. What would he be unhappy about?
He doesn't have to be unhappy to be tempted by what Man City have to offer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 11, 2010, 10:22:18 AM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
That's all assuming that the player himself has no say in the matter.
That's not my assumption. Of course the player's wishes come into it, but they're not the only factor.
There's very little point in keeping a player who isn't happy but then there's no evidence to suggest Milner is unhappy. What would he be unhappy about?
Presumably he's unhappy that he's not earning closer to £100,000 a week and having his Christmas bonus delivered down a purpose-built chimney by an Arab Santa Claus.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2010, 10:24:18 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Osbourne4England"
Oh come on, let's face it. Milner is off and there's not a great deal we can do about it...I'm not being funny but I think us fans have to shoulder some of the blame if he does leave. The sorts of discussions on here must be read by some of the players. I'm not on about the discussions regarding Milner's future, I'm on about people's expectations.
I see loads of people on here saying how they're happy with 6th place! 6th for christ's sake. I gave up supporting Man Utd to start watching the mighty Villa 2 years ago, so I feel I'm in a good position to say that these sorts of fans saying 6th is okay, we don't want you at Villa Park. Of course Milner is going to want to leave if he thinks we're just going to settle for 6th year in year out.
Good God, show a little ambition! We need a winning mentality, and this negativity shown from some fans saying that the best we can hope for is 6th is unbelievable. Without this winning mentality though sadly I fear you may be right that our team won't be progressing.
Nice attempt at a comedy login, but you're going to have to find another one.
It's David Cameron, innit?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2010, 10:35:04 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
He doesn't have to be unhappy to be tempted by what Man City have to offer.
It's possible but it would go against all that we've learned about Milner as a person to believe that his sole motivation is money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 10:45:21 AM
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He doesn't have to be unhappy to be tempted by what Man City have to offer.
It's possible but it would go against all that we've learned about Milner as a person to believe that his sole motivation is money.
I didn't suggest it was just money, although it would be naive to think that it wasn't a consideration.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 10:54:41 AM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
He doesn't have to be unhappy to be tempted by what Man City have to offer.
It's possible but it would go against all that we've learned about Milner as a person to believe that his sole motivation is money.
See I've never quite bought into that.
He might not be as big a twat as Ashley Cole and the other bling merchants, but he was quite open about the fact that part of the reason he left Newcastle is that he wanted parity with their top earners and they wouldn't bend.
He was a popular player there, playing in front of big crowds et.c. But he came to us primarily because we'd pay him more. The situation at the time of the respective clubs and the idea that there might be more stability here perhaps also played a part, true.
But we're not his boyhood club (who he also left to progress his career, lets not forget) and he's already moved at least once for money.
Lets not kid ourselves that he's hugely different from most footballers. On interview he sounds as monosyllabic as the rest. He's probably just less flash and less ostentatious than most of the other dickheads in the England squad, so looks better in contrast.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namlod on June 11, 2010, 11:01:38 AM
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It's possible but it would go against all that we've learned about Milner as a person to believe that his sole motivation is money.
Sorry but what have we learned about Milner?
When has he ever said he is in it for the love of the sport and not the money?
He is like every other footballer, a mercenary living in a land where money talks. I'm not saying this is a bad thing as every one on here would move jobs if the were offered double their salary.
James Milner is not a Villa fan and will only look after number one and anyone who thinks different (in my opinion) is completely deluded.
If he wants to go for the money, good luck to him. ManC or Chelsea, cough up the cash and we’ll all move on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 11:08:53 AM
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He doesn't have to be unhappy to be tempted by what Man City have to offer.
It's possible but it would go against all that we've learned about Milner as a person to believe that his sole motivation is money.
See I've never quite bought into that.
He might not be as big a twat as Ashley Cole and the other bling merchants, but he was quite open about the fact that part of the reason he left Newcastle is that he wanted parity with their top earners and they wouldn't bend.
He was a popular player there, playing in front of big crowds et.c. But he came to us primarily because we'd pay him more. The situation at the time of the respective clubs and the idea that there might be more stability here perhaps also played a part, true.
But we're not his boyhood club (who he also left to progress his career, lets not forget) and he's already moved at least once for money.
Lets not kid ourselves that he's hugely different from most footballers. On interview he sounds as monosyllabic as the rest. He's probably just less flash and less ostentatious than most of the other dickheads in the England squad, so looks better in contrast.
You're wrong.
From The Observer, I read this article on my way down to Wembley.
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Monday mornings in the staff room at Horsforth school in Leeds invariably involve animated analysis of an old boy's latest weekend television appearance.
"We love talking about James Milner," Steven Weeks, the head of maths, says. "Everybody's thrilled by his achievements with Aston Villa and England; some of my colleagues have even kept bits of his old work."
It is nearly eight years since Milner swapped the classroom for the local football team where, almost immediately, Terry Venables catapulted the 16-year-old into the Leeds United first team – the manager later described it as a rare high point of his spell at Elland Road. At the time Milner's father, Peter, a quantity surveyor, and his mother, Lesley, an estate agent, feared the boy might be wasting 11 GCSEs while Weeks lamented the loss of one of Horsforth's brighter mathematical brains. "I'd have loved James to stay on and do A level, he was extremely able," he says. "But I accept his football taking him a little further than maths might have done."
Full article (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/feb/28/james-milner-aston-villa-carling-cup)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 11:50:13 AM
I don't see how any of that could contradict the notion that he is primarily in the game to earn as much as he can.
Because he has 11 GCSE's he's likely to be less selfish/ more loyal to us? It's an interesting theory.
I hope you hold onto that belief for as long as he's with us, and don't have your heart broken if/when he finally does decide to depart.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 11:56:32 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
I don't see how any of that could contradict the notion that he is primarily in the game to earn as much as he can.
Because he has 11 GCSE's he's likely to be less selfish/ more loyal to us? It's an interesting theory.
I hope you hold onto that belief for as long as he's with us, and don't have your heart broken if/when he finally does decide to depart.
It was your assertion that he's not "hugely different from most footballers" that I was taking issue with when that article shows that people who have known him for for most of his life say exactly the oposite. Then again you've picked up up that in "interview he sounds as monosyllabic as the rest" so you probably know best.
Edit: I'm quite resigned to the idea that he will most likely leave so I'm not quite sure what your last paragraph was all about.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 12:22:50 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
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I don't see how any of that could contradict the notion that he is primarily in the game to earn as much as he can.
Because he has 11 GCSE's he's likely to be less selfish/ more loyal to us? It's an interesting theory.
I hope you hold onto that belief for as long as he's with us, and don't have your heart broken if/when he finally does decide to depart.
It was your assertion that he's not "hugely different from most footballers" that I was taking issue with when that article shows that people who have known him for for most of his life say exactly the oposite. Then again you've picked up up that in "interview he sounds as monosyllabic as the rest" so you probably know best.
Edit: I'm quite resigned to the idea that he will most likely leave so I'm not quite sure what your last paragraph was all about.
Well I don't know about what he gets up to in his private life, or his family background. So I'll bow to your knowledge on that one. It's obviously an area of interest for you.
I just find it very hard to see Milner as some shining beacon of truth and nobility in modern football when he left his previous club because he wanted more money.
He might have 11 GCSE's, but he hardly comes across as Peter Ustinov either. Maybe he's very smart but likes to dumb it down for the cameras whenever a mic is pushed in front of him to just blend in?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2010, 12:30:16 PM
He's a footballer doing a job and if he can treble his wage and go to a club with £100s of millions to spend of course he will go, wouldn't we all?
I will wish him well, he will be one of englAnds greats in the future but sadly not with us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 12:32:03 PM
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I don't see how any of that could contradict the notion that he is primarily in the game to earn as much as he can.
Because he has 11 GCSE's he's likely to be less selfish/ more loyal to us? It's an interesting theory.
I hope you hold onto that belief for as long as he's with us, and don't have your heart broken if/when he finally does decide to depart.
It was your assertion that he's not "hugely different from most footballers" that I was taking issue with when that article shows that people who have known him for for most of his life say exactly the oposite. Then again you've picked up up that in "interview he sounds as monosyllabic as the rest" so you probably know best.
Edit: I'm quite resigned to the idea that he will most likely leave so I'm not quite sure what your last paragraph was all about.
Well I don't know about what he gets up to in his private life, or his family background. So I'll bow to your knowledge on that one. It's obviously an area of interest for you.
I just find it very hard to see Milner as some shining beacon of truth and nobility in modern football when he left his previous club because he wanted more money.
He might have 11 GCSE's, but he hardly comes across as Peter Ustinov either. Maybe he's very smart but likes to dumb it down for the cameras whenever a mic is pushed in front of him to just blend in?
No, you're right how a man comes across on a TV interview is a far better indication of his character than what people who have know and worked with him all his life have to say.
There's a large gulf between your hyperbolic guff about shining beacons and being a decent bloke and surely he left his previous club because they were a complete shambles and had shafted him once before over a proposed move to us.
Do you always judge people as stereotypes rather than individuals?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 11, 2010, 12:41:27 PM
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If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible
You reckon we're getting close to £10m per season? I'd be astonished if it were close to that.
I reckon £5m-£7m per year over 4 or 5 years is reasonable.
The OS says the deal is over 3 years. So £15m over 3 years is still a nice amount of money to play with and if it brings in another James Collins (or similar) each summer then it's certainly useful.
But it's hardly the realm of pushing forward with our new-found financial muscle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 12:46:19 PM
I can see you feel strongly about this one Chris, so lets just agree to disagree shall we?
After all, your high horse must be absolutely knackered at this stage with the regular back breaking run outs it has to endure.
When I hear Jimmy talk he sounds as bland and monosyllabic as Michael Owen, Rooney and co. So forgive me if that forms part of my conclusion and his previous track record in the game forms the other.
A conclusion based on what he actually says and what he has done to date in his football career? I guess it is kind of odd when you think about it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 11, 2010, 01:08:25 PM
I take your point Kev, but I don't think Milner wanted to sign for us back in 200(7?) from newcastle because he was then being offered better money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 11, 2010, 01:19:29 PM
Nobody in their right mind would turn down that sort of money. He's going to a club that finished above us, and in quite possibly will continue to do so for the forseeable future. If we get upwards of £25m for him, it'd be sad to see him go, but if the money is spent well, it could be hugely beneficial. Like Everton last year, I'd say be glad that we've got the opportunity to get City to pay way over the odds for a player who just isn't worth that sort of money.
Spurs have shown that you can sell some of your better players, and still progress. That's not to say that I'd want us to make a habit of it, but it won't be the end of the club if Milner does go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 01:25:38 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
I can see you feel strongly about this one Chris, so lets just agree to disagree shall we?
After all, your high horse must be absolutely knackered at this stage with the regular back breaking run outs it has to endure.
When I hear Jimmy talk he sounds as bland and monosyllabic as Michael Owen, Rooney and co. So forgive me if that forms part of my conclusion and his previous track record in the game forms the other.
A conclusion based on what he actually says and what he has done to date in his football career? I guess it is kind of odd when you think about it.
Can you point me in the direction of where it says anywhere that he left Newcastle for money? The only mention I've ever seen of that is from your posts here.
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McGuire suspects the centre will prove his best position. "People have consistently written James off, they've said he wasn't quick enough to go past people and his final ball wasn't good enough but he's kept proving them wrong," he says.
"In central midfield he's spotting openings people thought he didn't have the vision to see but a lot of his development in the last year or so has been down to playing for Martin O'Neill at Aston Villa. A few clubs were interested in James but I was desperate to get him into Villa, I knew Martin would give him extraordinary confidence."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 01:34:14 PM
Milner: I was undervalued at Newcastle and had to leave (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4067297,00.html)
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Aston Villa new boy James Milner has revealed that he decided to leave Newcastle because he felt undervalued.
Milner handed in a transfer request last week last week after becoming frustrated at Newcastle's failure to offer him a new contract which he felt would reflect his worth.
Villa moved swiftly to agree a fee for the England Under-21 international and confirmed on Friday they had signed him on a four-year deal.
Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.
He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.
"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.
"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt, seeing as they didn't think they were on the same wavelength as me and they then made the decision to sell me.
What that article doesn't mention is that he had only signed a new, improved four year deal the summer previous.
So it was good enough for him in 2007 to sign on the dotted line and commit his long-term future (I'm guessing on pretty decent wages), but by the time bids came in for him in 2008 he effectively felt he should be in line for even more kerching.
Nowt wrong with that. Grab it whilst you can, et.c. If he had underperformed at the club his bargaining position wouldn't have been as strong.
I'm not out to demonize the lad. Loyalty is a scarce commodity in football at the best of times. If he'd turned in performances similar to Heskey standard last year for example, there would be plenty saying get rid. It's a two-way street, and all that. I just find it amusing and somewhat perplexing that people continuously make him out to be something he's not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 01:47:02 PM
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Milner: I was undervalued at Newcastle and had to leave (http://www.skysports.com/story/0,19528,11095_4067297,00.html)
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Aston Villa new boy James Milner has revealed that he decided to leave Newcastle because he felt undervalued.
Milner handed in a transfer request last week last week after becoming frustrated at Newcastle's failure to offer him a new contract which he felt would reflect his worth.
Villa moved swiftly to agree a fee for the England Under-21 international and confirmed on Friday they had signed him on a four-year deal.
Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.
He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.
"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.
"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt, seeing as they didn't think they were on the same wavelength as me and they then made the decision to sell me.
What that article doesn't mention is that he had only signed a new, improved four year deal the summer previous.
So it was good enough for him in 2007 to sign on the dotted line and commit his long-term future (I'm guessing on pretty decent wages), but by the time bids came in for him in 2008 he effectively felt he should be in line for even more kerching.
Nowt wrong with that. Grab it whilst you can, et.c. If he had underperformed at the club his bargaining position wouldn't have been as strong.
I'm not out to demonize the lad. Loyalty is a scarce commodity in football at the best of times. If he'd turned in performances similar to Heskey standard last year for example, there would be plenty saying get rid. It's a two-way street, and all that. I just find it amusing and somewhat perplexing that people continuously make him out to be something he's not.
That's just what you are doing by refusing to see that he probably isn't the moron you implied he was initially.
I think you misinterpreting what he saying. Their "valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on" reads to me that they had turned down bids as they were asking for the kind of fee that was inconsitent with the money they were paying him. That he handed in a transfer request, thus forfeiting his contract being paid up by them, suggests that he's no Gareth Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 01:50:27 PM
As always Chris, you'll see what you want to see.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2010, 01:59:12 PM
Milner wanted to be paid in line with other first teamers, Newcastle refused.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 11, 2010, 02:14:17 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
As always Chris, you'll see what you want to see.
And that differs from you, how?
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
In the same way that when Bellamy was getting the usual abuse on here I posted an article about his African foundation which gave me a completly different perspective from the over simplistic one picked up from how he is usually presented by the media.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2010, 02:45:09 PM
If only you were so open minded on Villa matters, Chris. (winky)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 11, 2010, 02:50:34 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.
Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2010, 02:55:46 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.
Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.
If only the same could be said for his agent.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: David_Nab on June 11, 2010, 02:57:29 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.
Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.
If only the same could be said for his agent.
I throught he didnt have an agent ?Doesn't he have someone from the F.A who deals with his contracts ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2010, 03:14:33 PM
Quote from: "David_Nab"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
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Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.
Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.
If only the same could be said for his agent.
I throught he didnt have an agent ?Doesn't he have someone from the F.A who deals with his contracts ?
Alex Ferguson's son, Jason is his agent. Before him, Milner was represented by the PFA,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 11, 2010, 03:20:48 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.
Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.
It's not just money, he sees Man City as a much better bet than us for trophies and the Champions League.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 11, 2010, 03:27:16 PM
yep. can't imagine anyone would argue otherwise
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 11, 2010, 05:56:11 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
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If we get £25-£30m plus for this sponsorship deal, which is quite feasible
You reckon we're getting close to £10m per season? I'd be astonished if it were close to that.
I reckon £5m-£7m per year over 4 or 5 years is reasonable.
The OS says the deal is over 3 years. So £15m over 3 years is still a nice amount of money to play with and if it brings in another James Collins (or similar) each summer then it's certainly useful.
But it's hardly the realm of pushing forward with our new-found financial muscle.
It could be more than £15m and I didn't say it alone would move us forward but allied to selling the fringe players (circa £20m) and whatever Randy can add could possibly move us on a level.
The point being that we dont have to sell Milner and could still afford some considerable steps forward without taking Citys money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 11, 2010, 05:59:42 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
It could be more than £15m
It could also be less than £15m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 11, 2010, 06:06:17 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
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It could be more than £15m
It could also be less than £15m.
True, although I've heard it isnt, for what its worth.
Its not vital either way. Whatever it is, it will help a lot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 06:45:14 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
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As always Chris, you'll see what you want to see.
And that differs from you, how?
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
In the same way that when Bellamy was getting the usual abuse on here I posted an article about his African foundation which gave me a completly different perspective from the over simplistic one picked up from how he is usually presented by the media.
That's great, more power to you.
It still doesn't alter the fact that Milner's main motivation for quitting Newcastle is because he felt a contract that was perfectly acceptable and worth committing to for four years in 2007 was beneath him in 2008.
So there is clearly a precedent. Clubs come in with bids = Milner believes his wages should automatically shoot up. Milner joined us for £12 million in 2008 and signed on the dotted line for a wage reported to be in the region of £40-45k. By 2010 his value has more than doubled so should it automatically follow that his wages should be what, £100k+ now? And if we don't pay that we're not valuing him highly enough?
Why not? He can surely make the argument that clubs are willing to pay close to £30 million for his services now, so his wages should fall in line with the increased valuation.
Great if he can swing it, fair play. But spare me the naive and sentimental claptrap that Jimmy is somehow different. It sounds like the yampy and delusional outpourings of a girlfriend about to be ditched.
I really don't see how it's a grey area, or open to misinterpretation. If you choose to go the route of ignoring the words that actually came out of his mouth there is clearly no reasoning with you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 06:57:20 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Milner wanted to be paid in line with other first teamers, Newcastle refused.
Not just first teamers Mark.
I doubt very much he'd have agreed a new long term deal with them in 2007 for a wage more in keeping with a reserve or youth team player. This was no rookie being taken advantage of.
He wanted parity (or very close to it) with the top earners, the senior players like Duff, Martins, Smith and co in 2008 despite only being 22. As was reported at the time. He felt he was worth it because other clubs were coming in offers. We can debate whether his contribution for Newcastle justified such an increase so soon after a new contract had been agreed less than 12 months previous ( I'd personally say it probably did, though they were just entering a period when cutbacks were kicking in.)
Fact remains that he handed in a transfer request when he didn't get his way and moved to a club who would give him the pay increase he felt he merited.
Why is it so inconceivable to some that he's more than capable of doing the same again?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 11, 2010, 07:26:04 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
He wanted parity (or very close to it) with the top earners, the senior players like Duff, Martins, Smith and co in 2008;
I never knew that. I remember him saying he played every first team game but was being paid like a kid/reserve.
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Fact remains that he handed in a transfer request when he didn't get his way and moved to a club who would give him the pay increase he felt he merited.
I doubt, even now, he's earning anything close to what Newcastle were paying Duff, Martins, Smith and co in 2008.
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Why is it so inconceivable to some that he's more than capable of doing the same again?
I think the fact that he's a Yorkshireman should not be overlooked and goes a long way more to explaining things, especially compared to some other aspects of his flawed character you've highlighted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on June 11, 2010, 07:50:42 PM
Is the figure of this deal (sponsor) somewhat silly to be discussed as a lump sum, as it will simply be 4/5 million a season, which will help wages wise, but not going to add a huge wedge to MON's transfer budget realistically.
And if we are offered 30 million Milner will go, he is a professional and should go, if I were playing for Everton and was offered the deal being offered to Milner I would take it. If he grew up a Villa fan it would be easier to pull on the loyalty card, but he didn't and the modern game means money talks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2010, 08:30:04 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Why is it so inconceivable to some that he's more than capable of doing the same again?
I think the fact that he's a Yorkshireman should not be overlooked and goes a long way more to explaining things, especially compared to some other aspects of his flawed character you've highlighted.
That's where we'd probably differ a wee bit Mark.
I wouldn't necessarily see him looking for (and eventually getting in a roundabout way) the pay increase he received in 2008 as a character flaw.
It's run of the mill standard practice for footballers and top flight footballers in particular nowadays. Outside of club loyalty we as fans have, if we were in a fortunate enough position to do so in our own careers I'm sure most would.
I just object to the notion that Jimmy is somehow different to the majority of footballers as far as club loyalty and finance is concerned.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 11, 2010, 08:37:57 PM
It's similar to lescott last season , he was quite happy at everton but once he realised the money on offer at city for wages and players he soon decided he wanted a part of it- who wouldn't?
Milner would be crazy not to want a part of what city can offer, it is hard to accept but without significant spending we will fall behind the big spenders, if the milner cash is spent well it could be to our benefit as when platt was sold!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 11, 2010, 10:45:29 PM
Seems to me that many are drawing the conclusion that, as he asked for more money at Newcastle, he's a typical mercanary footballer.
I'd spin it a different way and say that if Milner is happy here, then I'd suggest that, provided Villa offer a salary package in line with his peers at the club, he could well be staying with us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on June 11, 2010, 10:50:27 PM
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.
Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.
i agree the reason we will are under pressure to lose our star players is because we are a top 6 not top 4 team, we seem to be happy to accept our place in the second tier of the PL and we have a manager than can virtually garauntee that
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ross on June 11, 2010, 10:50:48 PM
Indeed Troy. I think Milner's attempt for higher wages at Newcastle was for parity. There were plenty of others earning twice as much and doing half the work Milner was.
I get pissed off knowing some people I work with earn more and do less. He has earnt the right to be one of our top earners, and I am sure he'll be offered a fair deal. We'll see whether that is enough in due course.
If I were Milner, without affiliation to Villa that we all have, I'd be take the cash at Citeh. No problem at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 11, 2010, 10:54:38 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Is the figure of this deal (sponsor) somewhat silly to be discussed as a lump sum, as it will simply be 4/5 million a season, which will help wages wise, but not going to add a huge wedge to MON's transfer budget realistically.
Not really. Although the sponsorship money will come in the form of annual payments there's nothing to stop Randy giving that money to MON to spend up front, knowing its going to come in anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on June 11, 2010, 11:20:11 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Is the figure of this deal (sponsor) somewhat silly to be discussed as a lump sum, as it will simply be 4/5 million a season, which will help wages wise, but not going to add a huge wedge to MON's transfer budget realistically.
Not really. Although the sponsorship money will come in the form of annual payments there's nothing to stop Randy giving that money to MON to spend up front, knowing its going to come in anyway.
Sponsorship deals are usually connected to success including league position and progress in the cups, there is a base fee for the shirt advertising etc but the real money comes with cup success
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rich on June 11, 2010, 11:22:30 PM
I feel suicidal reading this lot. I'm sure his decision will be primarily about what suits his career best in the long term - maturing as a player, money, caps, trophies e.t.c. are all part of that and he may well be served best at Villa at this time rather than risking warming Man City's bench amongst a load other highly paid competition. I'm sure he's smart enough to realize it's not as simple as some on here would make out. For us what suits us best is probably not selling our best players to our immediate competition. What a bunch of pessimists we are.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2010, 12:13:22 AM
Quote from: "east19"
It's similar to lescott last season , he was quite happy at everton but once he realised the money on offer at city for wages and players he soon decided he wanted a part of it- who wouldn't?
Milner would be crazy not to want a part of what city can offer, it is hard to accept but without significant spending we will fall behind the big spenders, if the milner cash is spent well it could be to our benefit as when platt was sold!
Players' views of Man City now could well be different from 12 months ago. The view then could have been, 'spending all this money, they can't fail'. Whereas now it could be, 'they may not succeed based on the evidence of last season'. The slight difference in views may well be the difference between players going to Man City or to other clubs.
Milner still has a long career in front of him and he is still not an established international player. He could go to Man City and spend two years in and out of the side, with a knock-on effect on his development. He has time on his side to stay with Villa and further develop into a top player so that when he does move on to a top club he is an automatic selection for the team. No doubt there are people advising him differently, saying "it's your chance to play in the CL and earn an extra £50k a week". Whether these people have his best interests at heart is open to debate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 12, 2010, 12:18:11 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Why is it so inconceivable to some that he's more than capable of doing the same again?
I think the fact that he's a Yorkshireman should not be overlooked and goes a long way more to explaining things, especially compared to some other aspects of his flawed character you've highlighted.
Do all Yorkshiremen like to keep things grim and settle for enough money to keep them in whippet food?
Or is it just like all Scousers having a great sense of humour?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 12, 2010, 12:23:34 AM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Is the figure of this deal (sponsor) somewhat silly to be discussed as a lump sum, as it will simply be 4/5 million a season, which will help wages wise, but not going to add a huge wedge to MON's transfer budget realistically.
Not really. Although the sponsorship money will come in the form of annual payments there's nothing to stop Randy giving that money to MON to spend up front, knowing its going to come in anyway.
Sponsorship deals are usually connected to success including league position and progress in the cups, there is a base fee for the shirt advertising etc but the real money comes with cup success
These would be considered bonuses and besides, all contracts are different. They can be specified in whichever way suits both parties. There may be some incentive for league position or cup success or there may be none, but the great likelihood is that the bulk of any deal, this deal will be a fixed rate for advertising the name on the shirt. That is after all the point of the deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 12, 2010, 12:26:10 AM
So basically, there's no point arguing about what is or isn't in the small-print of our new sponsorship deal as nobody on the forum actually knows?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on June 12, 2010, 12:28:28 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Why is it so inconceivable to some that he's more than capable of doing the same again?
I think the fact that he's a Yorkshireman should not be overlooked and goes a long way more to explaining things, especially compared to some other aspects of his flawed character you've highlighted.
Do all Yorkshiremen like to keep things grim and settle for enough money to keep them in whippet food?
Obviously not but I think that it is now universally agreed that the purpose of their being is that at some point they must don a flat cap and push a bike up a long cobbled hill while the Hovis music plays in the background. Even superhumans like James Milner are not exempt from such things, and I'm sure that his time will come. God help him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 12, 2010, 12:40:22 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
So basically, there's no point arguing about what is or isn't in the small-print of our new sponsorship deal as nobody on the forum actually knows?
I'm not particularly fussed what's in the small print but rather what a fairly significant cash injection could mean to our plans for next season and the summer.
But, whilst we're on the subject, there are people who are claiming to know some details and I have heard something of them but, with respect to those person(s), I'm going to wait and see how true they are before properly commenting on them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 12, 2010, 05:58:35 AM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
...No doubt there are people advising him differently, saying "it's your chance to play in the CL and earn an extra £50k a week".
When did the FA bring in this new ruling that Man City are playing Champions League? I must have missed it with all the World Cup Hubub.
Since that Sinatra fella came into Man City, everyone has been saying that they're a certaintly for CL football and yet, through various managers and untold fortunes, they've not cracked it.
I know, I know, they'll do it next year.
Yeah, right-oh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 12, 2010, 08:04:53 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Why is it so inconceivable to some that he's more than capable of doing the same again?
I think the fact that he's a Yorkshireman should not be overlooked and goes a long way more to explaining things, especially compared to some other aspects of his flawed character you've highlighted.
Do all Yorkshiremen like to keep things grim and settle for enough money to keep them in whippet food?
Or is it just like all Scousers having a great sense of humour?
And all footballers are mercenaries solely motivated by their pay packet.
Title: james milner
Post by: michaelastonbrandon on June 12, 2010, 08:31:26 AM
if the papers are to be trusted,sell milner for as much as possible,and get a replacement in as soon as possilbe.maybe the player from belgium.looks good on youtube but so does everyone.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on June 12, 2010, 08:32:38 AM
In before the merge / lock.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2010, 08:33:00 AM
tick, tick, tick
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2010, 08:34:57 AM
If I was offered a substantial increase in my salary to go and work for a very similar organisation in a very similar position then I'd do it too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2010, 08:42:31 AM
(http://C:\Documents and Settings\gbwj8h\My Documents\My Pictures\_48058228_barry_getty466.jpg)
I wonder what they're talking about?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 12, 2010, 08:44:36 AM
Quote from: "Drummond"
If I was offered a substantial increase in my salary to go and work for a very similar organisation in a very similar position then I'd do it too.
Most of us would but then we're not already earning more in a week than most people earn in a year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 12, 2010, 08:45:36 AM
John M, you have to upload your image to somewhere like Photobucket first.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2010, 08:48:59 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Drummond"
If I was offered a substantial increase in my salary to go and work for a very similar organisation in a very similar position then I'd do it too.
Most of us would but then we're not already earning more in a week than most people earn in a year.
You're right, but then we're not in a job with a career that spans maybe 10 to 15 years rather than 40 or 50.
Regardless of what salary a person is on, if they can get a huge amount more for doing exactly the same job they'd be stupid not to take it.
I'm sure that given the sort of person Milner is, if he can earn that much more he'd take it because it would give him more opportunity to provide for himself and his family.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2010, 08:50:04 AM
I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.
He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players. If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.
I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2010, 08:50:52 AM
Quote from: "Legion"
John M, you have to upload your image to somewhere like Photobucket first.
Yeah - just noticed that!
Thanks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 12, 2010, 08:54:21 AM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Drummond"
If I was offered a substantial increase in my salary to go and work for a very similar organisation in a very similar position then I'd do it too.
Most of us would but then we're not already earning more in a week than most people earn in a year.
You're right, but then we're not in a job with a career that spans maybe 10 to 15 years rather than 40 or 50.
Regardless of what salary a person is on, if they can get a huge amount more for doing exactly the same job they'd be stupid not to take it.
I'm sure that given the sort of person Milner is, if he can earn that much more he'd take it because it would give him more opportunity to provide for himself and his family.
Clearly money is a big issue for a footballer but then so is playing regularly, winning trophies, representing your country and feeling appreciated. Unlike Kevin Gage I don't think that they all just follow whoever is offering the highest salary.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 12, 2010, 09:04:07 AM
Quote from: "John M"
(http://C:\Documents and Settings\gbwj8h\My Documents\My Pictures\_48058228_barry_getty466.jpg)
I wonder what they're talking about?
Quality John. You've just shown us all the porn on your C drive.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2010, 09:13:04 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
...No doubt there are people advising him differently, saying "it's your chance to play in the CL and earn an extra £50k a week".
When did the FA bring in this new ruling that Man City are playing Champions League? I must have missed it with all the World Cup Hubub.
Since that Sinatra fella came into Man City, everyone has been saying that they're a certaintly for CL football and yet, through various managers and untold fortunes, they've not cracked it.
I know, I know, they'll do it next year.
Yeah, right-oh.
That is not what I said, read the rest of what I wrote.
The part you quoted is what I said other may be saying to him, without his best interests at heart.
Please do not pick out parts and make believe I was saying something else.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 12, 2010, 09:47:38 AM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
...No doubt there are people advising him differently, saying "it's your chance to play in the CL and earn an extra £50k a week".
When did the FA bring in this new ruling that Man City are playing Champions League? I must have missed it with all the World Cup Hubub.
Since that Sinatra fella came into Man City, everyone has been saying that they're a certaintly for CL football and yet, through various managers and untold fortunes, they've not cracked it.
I know, I know, they'll do it next year.
Yeah, right-oh.
That is not what I said, read the rest of what I wrote.
The part you quoted is what I said other may be saying to him, without his best interests at heart.
Please do not pick out parts and make believe I was saying something else.
you have got nearly 300 posts mate,
you should therefore know by now that picking a bit out of a post and making something up about it is what its all about on here with some posters
just accept that people will not always read what you say, but will read what they want it to say
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2010, 09:53:49 AM
Quote from: "John M"
I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.
He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players. If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.
I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.
That's an interesting percentage breakdown John.
Out of interest, how did you arrive at that exact figure?
According to Mysterious Ways on VT he's had his head turned by the money on offer and nowt else. Taken in isolation that kind of reference would be easy enough to dismiss, granted.
But the fella does have a pretty decent track record of calling it right previously. And Milner has left for monetary reasons previously too by his own admission. I didn't see any reference to the troubles at Newcastle forming part of his decision.
For clarity:
Quote
Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.
He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.
"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.
"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2010, 10:00:40 AM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
...No doubt there are people advising him differently, saying "it's your chance to play in the CL and earn an extra £50k a week".
When did the FA bring in this new ruling that Man City are playing Champions League? I must have missed it with all the World Cup Hubub.
Since that Sinatra fella came into Man City, everyone has been saying that they're a certaintly for CL football and yet, through various managers and untold fortunes, they've not cracked it.
I know, I know, they'll do it next year.
Yeah, right-oh.
That is not what I said, read the rest of what I wrote.
The part you quoted is what I said other may be saying to him, without his best interests at heart.
Please do not pick out parts and make believe I was saying something else.
you have got nearly 300 posts mate,
you should therefore know by now that picking a bit out of a post and making something up about it is what its all about on here with some posters
just accept that people will not always read what you say, but will read what they want it to say
The funny thing is that I do not disagree with what Troy is saying.
The extra money does help though but you still have to use it wisely and have patience. How many times have Real Madrid tried the 'Galacticos' route and succeeded, once?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 12, 2010, 10:03:11 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "John M"
I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.
He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players. If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.
I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.
That's an interesting percentage breakdown John.
Out of interest, how did you arrive at that exact figure?
According to Mysterious Ways on VT he's had his head turned by the money on offer and nowt else. Taken in isolation that kind of reference would be easy enough to dismiss, granted.
But the fella does have a pretty decent track record of calling it right previously. And Milner has left for monetary reasons previously too by his own admission. I didn't see any reference to the troubles at Newcastle forming part of his decision.
For clarity:
Quote
Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.
He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.
"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.
"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt.
But putting in a transfer request cost him money, how do you square that one?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2010, 10:07:17 AM
Quote from: "john e"
you should therefore know by now that picking a bit out of a post and making something up about it is what its all about on here with some posters
just accept that people will not always read what you say, but will read what they want it to say
Aye.
And if you back up your point of view with direct quotes you're somehow 'misinterpreting' them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2010, 10:11:25 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
But putting in a transfer request cost him money, how do you square that one?
Well genius, I'll take a stab at it and say that the wages and signing on fee he thought he could get elsewhere might just possibly offset any loss in that regard.
But I'm sure you'll trawl through obscure quotes from his postman or his first girlfriend to illustrate that Jimmy doesn't play that way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 12, 2010, 10:14:22 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "john e"
you should therefore know by now that picking a bit out of a post and making something up about it is what its all about on here with some posters
just accept that people will not always read what you say, but will read what they want it to say
Aye.
And if you back up your point of view with direct quotes you're somehow 'misinterpreting' them.
No, just interpreting them in your own way the same as everyone else. However it seems impossible for you to accept that not everyone will agree with you.
As I said yesterday I read "the valuation of me" as referring to the price they wanted for him. That seems a pretty reasonable way of looking at it, most people when they talk of the valuation of a footballer would think of the transfer fee. So Milner thought that the price Newcastle were asking for him wasn't consistent with the money they were paying him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 12, 2010, 10:15:06 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "John M"
I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.
He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players. If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.
I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.
That's an interesting percentage breakdown John.
Out of interest, how did you arrive at that exact figure?
According to Mysterious Ways on VT he's had his head turned by the money on offer and nowt else. Taken in isolation that kind of reference would be easy enough to dismiss, granted.
But the fella does have a pretty decent track record of calling it right previously. And Milner has left for monetary reasons previously too by his own admission. I didn't see any reference to the troubles at Newcastle forming part of his decision.
For clarity:
Quote
Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.
He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.
"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.
"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt.
The percentage is just my own view and I'll admit it may be nearer to 50/50.
He's on record commenting about the numerous managerial changes at Newcastle and I doubt the way they messed him about when he almost signed for us previously would have impressed him too much. Would he have stayed at Newcastle if the paid him more? Who knows, but I personally think he was fed up with being messed around and undervalued - and by that I mean their treatment of him aswell as his wages.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 12, 2010, 10:16:52 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
But putting in a transfer request cost him money, how do you square that one?
Well genius, I'll take a stab at it and say that the wages and signing on fee he thought he could get elsewhere might just possibly offset any loss in that regard.
But I'm sure you'll trawl through obscure quotes from his postman or his first girlfriend to illustrate that Jimmy doesn't play that way.
Which charm school did you graduate from?
OK, you win. Every single footballer is a mercenary, money grabbing bastard who doesn't care about anything else. Happy now?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 12, 2010, 10:28:26 AM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "hilts_coolerking"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I suspect that you haven't read the article I posted earlier, if you had you would see many people who have worked with Milner being unsparing in their praise for him both as a man and as a footballer. I'd rather base my views on that sort of informed opinion than on a couple of post match interviews.
I agree that this is the generally accepted view of what sort of bloke Milner is.
Which makes me wonder to what extent money is the major factor in a possible move to Man City. He just doesn't strike me as the kind of bloke who is motivated only by money.
i agree the reason we will are under pressure to lose our star players is because we are a top 6 not top 4 team, we seem to be happy to accept our place in the second tier of the PL and we have a manager than can virtually garauntee that
And so what about Man Utd being pretty much forced to sell Ronaldo?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2010, 10:32:24 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
As I said yesterday I read "the valuation of me" as referring to the price they wanted for him. That seems a pretty reasonable way of looking at it, most people when they talk of the valuation of a footballer would think of the transfer fee. So Milner thought that the price Newcastle were asking for him wasn't consistent with the money they were paying him.
See, I don't see how it's a grey area.
I said yesterday that Jimmy left for monetary reasons previously and in that regard (plus his deadpan delivery) he's no different from most footballers.
"Your're wrong! Prove it/ I've never seen any quotes from him suggesting that," et.c.
So I give you direct quotes from the horses mouth.
You can choose to believe what you want to believe, despite logic, common sense and overwhelming evidence to the contrary. That's your call, and I said as much yesterday when I suggested we agree to disagree.
You persisted though, probably as much out of vanity and ego than anything else. You must have known you were on pretty shaky ground when you start quoting his old maths teacher and Craig Bellamy's charity work(!) as conclusive proof that Jimmy is different from most of his peers.
Part of me wants you to quit whilst your behind. But a bigger part of me wants you to up the ante, to see what further gems are in store. Another stroll down memory lane with the guy who Jimmy bought his first car of perhaps? Or Ashley Cole's tireless charity work on behalf of the Headhunting tribes of the Amazon Basin.
I hope it's a real hoot, whatever it is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kipeye on June 12, 2010, 10:54:57 AM
I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2010, 10:59:58 AM
You don't have to be a money grabbing mercenary to be motivated by an extra £2.5m a year. I'd say that's perfectly understandable behaviour.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 12, 2010, 11:14:26 AM
Quote from: "kipeye"
I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.
Its a toss up with the transfer thread.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 12, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "kipeye"
I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.
Its a toss up with the transfer thread.
The transfer thread is woeful at the moment, it's just descended into bickering with no apparent substance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2010, 11:19:52 AM
Quote from: "kipeye"
I would like to say that this is probably the most annoying thread I have ever read on H&V-and that is saying something.
There's a pretty obvious answer to that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on June 12, 2010, 11:21:34 AM
James Milner is ambitious, he wouldn't have got where is is today without being so. He is not the finished article and it will be how he sees himself becoming so.
He would appear to be an intelligent guy based on his school education and I would think that he has his career planned out to reach the top. Some have suggested perhaps being a future England captain which must be the pinnacle for an English footballer.
To reach the top it invariably means using football clubs as stepping stones. Too much loyalty to one club sees your progression stymied. Jump too soon and too high can prevent the steady rise through experience unless you can make that stepped progression.
People have mentioned the money aspect and that does influence quite a lot. If Milner reaches the top by the time he is, say, 26 or 27, he can still make his fortune and does not have to grab the big money move now. Fairness in remuneration is always an emotive subject. If you are being paid the most a club can afford, that is fair. If you are being paid less than that comparative to your valuation, you consider that you are not being treated fairly. A year in a young players football life is a long time and just because you agree to a contract one year, it doesn't mean to say that you shouldn't get more before your contract ends. How many players actually sign, say, a 4 year contract and stay on the same terms for the duration. It rarely happens, particularly when your career is on the up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 12, 2010, 11:22:01 AM
Kevin, there's monetary reasons and there are monetary reasons.
Wanting to leave Newcastle because they didn't wish to pay him to a level that he felt he deserved (and, given their valuation of him of the time, he seems to be justified in that conclusion), and leaving a club where you ARE paid to the level you deserve just for even more money are very different.
No, I can't say that, without any lifelong loyalty to either employer that I'd be turning down the chance to make a few extra million. However, given that he'd be absolutley loaded anyway, has a good few years ahead of him yet and has been pretty well looked after at Villa (has the respect and utter faith of the manager, has gotten into the England side and has had his profile lifted massively), there is a very strong case for him to stay.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2010, 11:27:53 AM
No problem with most of that OMVF.
But it doesn't exactly suggest that James Milner is breaking the mould when it comes to the values and integrity of most footballers.
In fact, I'd say that's pretty consistent with most of his peers.
Why is it so important to some to advocate that he is (or should be) different? When did this myth become fact?
I might have been a bit harsh on Chris earlier, and apologies. But I've heard similar from a few Villa fans in recent months and I genuinely wonder what they base it on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 12, 2010, 11:37:07 AM
What will sell him is a dream. He knows MoN's and Randy's dreams. If Man City blow him away with talk of nailed-on Champions League next season, showing him a list of their spectacular big-name target players, promises of fully-loaded trips for the family to Dubai when he's not playing, shares in oil companies, etc and so on, he may well be off. How many of us at that age would say 'thanks but no'? I'd wager not many.
But maybe, just maybe, MoN and Randy have a vision that will appeal to him on whatever level. And they know that lad well by now. They know what drives him, what inspires him. They'll know which buttons to push to get him to sign.
Will it be enough? We'll find it in a few weeks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 12, 2010, 11:51:47 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
No, I can't say that, without any lifelong loyalty to either employer that I'd be turning down the chance to make a few extra million. However, given that he'd be absolutley loaded anyway, has a good few years ahead of him yet and has been pretty well looked after at Villa (has the respect and utter faith of the manager, has gotten into the England side and has had his profile lifted massively), there is a very strong case for him to stay.
I don't think it's by any means a 'given' that he'll automatically quit Troy.
It's unlikely, but I still think (hope) there is an outside chance he'll remain. A lot can happen between now and the end of England's WC campaign. He could return a national hero or he might pick up a long term injury.
If he does remain, I'll be pretty certain it will be on vastly increased wages. And good luck to him.
We should just guard against deluding ourselves that he's more likely to stick around because of moral or ethical reasons. It will be finance that dictates that decision, as it generally does.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on June 12, 2010, 12:13:47 PM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
What will sell him is a dream. He knows MoN's and Randy's dreams. If Man City blow him away with talk of nailed-on Champions League next season, showing him a list of their spectacular big-name target players, promises of fully-loaded trips for the family to Dubai when he's not playing, shares in oil companies, etc and so on, he may well be off. How many of us at that age would say 'thanks but no'? I'd wager not many.
He may look at the likes of SWP going to Chelsea and his career going into reverse. Or the likelihood of Barry being replaced as soon as they hit the Champions League with someone better, something Man City are going to continually do with their players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pestria on June 12, 2010, 12:19:09 PM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
What will sell him is a dream. He knows MoN's and Randy's dreams.....
But maybe, just maybe, MoN and Randy have a vision that will appeal to him on whatever level. And they know that lad well by now. They know what drives him, what inspires him. They'll know which buttons to push to get him to sign.
Will it be enough? We'll find it in a few weeks.
I thought Randy and MON had already tried to (re) sell Villa to him a couple of weeks ago and he was unimpressed.
Milner might be well advised to seriously consider something like 'stay with us for one more season, we'll be bringing in a couple of decent players in the summer. You'll be in our team rather than being part of the squad at Man C/Chelsea. You don't want to end up like Cole/Wright Phillips etc ?'
But I wonder what they said when Milner asked 'who's likely to come in boss?' Good training facilities and rebuilding pubs don't count for much when a player can see the chance of playing in a more competitive side and earn more money to boot ... especially when there's more than a whiff of deja vu
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2010, 01:44:04 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
You don't have to be a money grabbing mercenary to be motivated by an extra £2.5m a year. I'd say that's perfectly understandable behaviour.
I'd say it's more than acceptable, it's sensible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on June 12, 2010, 03:35:41 PM
“I'm not worried about losing James Milner. I think James will play for Aston Villa and should play for Aston Villa,” Lerner told the Daily Mail.
“I'm not dismissive of the realities that a player that has received the attention and acclaim of James is going to spark discussion and debate about a move and so on. The answer is "No", I don't worry about him leaving because he is wanted at this club.”
He has two years left on his contract. He can decide not to accept the new contract that will be offered this summer, he doesn't get to decide if he is signing for another club unless Lerner/MON accept the transfer fee offered.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 12, 2010, 06:14:39 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
He has two years left on his contract. He can decide not to accept the new contract that will be offered this summer, he doesn't get to decide if he is signing for another club unless Lerner/MON accept the transfer fee offered.
I've said this all along.
We don't have to sell for any price. But every player has a valuation that could prize him away. Randy and MON know that price where it would be silly not to do the business.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: UK Redsox on June 12, 2010, 06:30:04 PM
Milner starting for England v USA. That's got to add a couple of million to the price
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: UK Redsox on June 12, 2010, 06:30:04 PM
Milner starting for England v USA. That's got to add a couple of million to the price
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on June 12, 2010, 06:33:54 PM
Added 4 Mill to the price then?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lowendbehold on June 12, 2010, 06:38:18 PM
The reason Man C are apparently/reportedly willing to pay £28m (no such bid has yet been made) is because we do not have to sell, not because he is worth that amount.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 12, 2010, 07:11:23 PM
If milner doesn't want to sign a new contract then it makes sense to sell him now rather than in a year when he would command a much lesser fee with only a yr left on his contract , James milner has been great for us but it's only natural given the opportunity and Money on offer that he would want to go- Rooney was everton through and through but even that didn't stop him moving on.
The key is that we get as good a deal from it as we can and spend wisely to strenghten the team .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: exigo on June 12, 2010, 07:18:34 PM
Quote from: "Lowendbehold"
The reason Man C are apparently/reportedly willing to pay £28m (no such bid has yet been made) is because we do not have to sell, not because he is worth that amount.
The reason they were trying to do it quickly (and probably leaking it to the press), is that now he's a world cup starter, that will be at least £40m thank you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 12, 2010, 08:00:01 PM
Quote from: "UK Redsox"
Milner starting for England v USA. That's got to add a couple of million to the price
Or a couple of million off, he's having a 'mare.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on June 12, 2010, 08:14:59 PM
Looked unfit. They said he has lost a stone this week, wonder if he simply was not strong enough after the shits all week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 12, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
He has a stomach bug.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citizenDJ on June 12, 2010, 08:36:08 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Looked unfit. They said he has lost a stone this week...
If that's true, you'd have to say his selection for the first team is slightly odd!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on June 12, 2010, 10:27:21 PM
he froze
not that the others Heskey apart who was superb, shows what a real motivational manager can do for him, and odd flashed from Rooney, Gerrard and Johnstone, were that impressive against a side who had a work ethic and sweet fa else.
On that showing Milner will be with us for another season at least.
Good man Heskey mind
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on June 12, 2010, 11:41:07 PM
He had a stinker, feel sorry for him. Being replaced by Wright-Phillips was an insult though, God knows why Capello didn't put Cole on instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 12, 2010, 11:52:28 PM
Quote from: "phantom limb"
He had a stinker, feel sorry for him. Being replaced by Wright-Phillips was an insult though, God knows why Capello didn't put Cole on instead.
Joe Cole wasn't on the bench.
A surprise. I'd have started him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on June 13, 2010, 12:05:44 AM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "phantom limb"
He had a stinker, feel sorry for him. Being replaced by Wright-Phillips was an insult though, God knows why Capello didn't put Cole on instead.
Joe Cole wasn't on the bench.
A surprise. I'd have started him.
Ah, I didn't see the bench. As much as I rate Milner, Cole should definitely be starting ahead of him on the wing whereas Wright-Phillips should be back in England; awful, frustrating player that he is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JD on June 13, 2010, 12:07:06 AM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "UK Redsox"
Milner starting for England v USA. That's got to add a couple of million to the price
Or a couple of million off, he's having a 'mare.
I'll offer a couple of used cufflinks, a button and $5.20 for James Milner, oh and he has to wash my company car once a week as well.
Seriously, he didn't look right today and was starved of the ball as well. I don't think he should have played at all. Where's Joe Cole?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bosco81 on June 13, 2010, 08:21:47 AM
It was 20 minutes until he touched the ball, strange decision to play him if he hasn't trained all week.
Must be frustrating for him played well in the centre and on the right all season then gets picked on the left.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on June 13, 2010, 08:35:20 AM
Quote from: "phantom limb"
He had a stinker, feel sorry for him. Being replaced by Wright-Phillips was an insult though, God knows why Capello didn't put Cole on instead.
He certainly did. Completely anonymous so I hope there was a good excuse. Still, as someone who thinks he's decent but hugely over-rated by Villa fans, I'm not so sure...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2010, 09:15:35 AM
I'd be surprised if milner starts another game in the world cup-Barry should be fit on Friday anyway, but james milner was really poor last night, if not fit he should have said so beforehand.
Heskey played quite well last night but again one on one with the game to win he hit his shot straight at the keeper, a striker must score goals and emile simply is not good enough .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 13, 2010, 09:39:49 AM
He wouldn't have been made to suffer the ignominy of being hauled off after 30 minutes for any other reason than injury/illness. No matter how poorly he was playing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 13, 2010, 09:45:58 AM
Quote from: "east19"
I'd be surprised if milner starts another game in the world cup-Barry should be fit on Friday anyway, but james milner was really poor last night, if not fit he should have said so beforehand.
Heskey played quite well last night but again one on one with the game to win he hit his shot straight at the keeper, a striker must score goals and emile simply is not good enough .
Do you really think the assessment of Milner was down to -
"How are you feeling son?"
"OK, boss"
"Right, you're in".
As for Heskey your comments are a little begrudging, he was England's best player last night.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 13, 2010, 09:54:19 AM
That's why I was particularly disappointed for Heskey missing the one-on-one. Bar far our best player and it was obvious people would focus on the miss rather than his beautiful cushioned reverse pass the made Gerrard's task very easy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2010, 10:06:00 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
That's why I was particularly disappointed for Heskey missing the one-on-one. Bar far our best player and it was obvious people would focus on the miss rather than his beautiful cushioned reverse pass the made Gerrard's task very easy.
Last night was his career in a nutshell. Make things easy for world class attacking players like Gerrard, then make a total hash of his own chances. I'd start with Crouch next game, as he does a similar job but has a much better scoring record.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2010, 10:11:51 AM
I said heskey played well but he's a striker and strikers through on goal should do better than shoot at the keeper- Paul ince has written a good piece today and is right when he says a strikers job first and foremost is to score goals and emile doesn't do this enough.
His build up play was excellent last night.
Milner if he wasn't fit to play should have said so, playing when not fit will do him no favours in the long run.,although capello statedchis booking played a large part in the decision, it certainly wasn't the James milner we know and love.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on June 13, 2010, 10:15:21 AM
Quote from: "east19"
I'd be surprised if milner starts another game in the world cup-Barry should be fit on Friday anyway, but james milner was really poor last night, if not fit he should have said so beforehand.
Like Ledley King who told Terry that his groin felt tight just after Gerrard had scored. In the 4th minute.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2010, 10:18:07 AM
Quote from: "Guy M"
Quote from: "east19"
I'd be surprised if milner starts another game in the world cup-Barry should be fit on Friday anyway, but james milner was really poor last night, if not fit he should have said so beforehand.
Like Ledley King who told Terry that his groin felt tight just after Gerrard had scored. In the 4th minute.
True , but ledley king isn't a villa player so as this threads the milner thread , that's why I commented on him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on June 13, 2010, 10:21:58 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
That's why I was particularly disappointed for Heskey missing the one-on-one. Bar far our best player and it was obvious people would focus on the miss rather than his beautiful cushioned reverse pass the made Gerrard's task very easy.
And MOTD did just that. Focused on the miss, completely ignored his part in the goal in the post-highlights analysis and then waxed lyrical about what a great game Gerrard had. No mention of quite how ineffective Lamps or Wazza were.
Strange that they also failed to mention Gerrard's part in the USA's goal. He was tracking Dempsey, was turned too easily and allowed him to get the shot off. If Stevie GBH had done his job properly, Green wouldn't have had a shot to deal with.
Oh and then the "best ball of the match"? A cross that didn't reach his intended target, Rooney. So not actually that good a ball at all then?
Didn't catch ITV's post-highlights analysis as the two programmes overlapped, but the fact they mentioned Heskey, Gerrard and Johnson coming out of the game with some credit means they didn't toe entirely the same line.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on June 13, 2010, 10:23:01 AM
Quote from: "east19"
Quote from: "Guy M"
Quote from: "east19"
I'd be surprised if milner starts another game in the world cup-Barry should be fit on Friday anyway, but james milner was really poor last night, if not fit he should have said so beforehand.
Like Ledley King who told Terry that his groin felt tight just after Gerrard had scored. In the 4th minute.
True , but ledley king isn't a villa player so as this threads the milner thread , that's why I commented on him.
True. And then I went a made my next post and took it well and truly O/T. Off to the World Cup forum with me!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bosco81 on June 13, 2010, 10:24:47 AM
I wonder if Argentina are having same debate about Messi as we are about Heskey after he missed a lot more chances than our Emile, do I win a prize for mentioning the 2 of them in the same breath.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 13, 2010, 10:25:14 AM
Quote from: "east19"
I said heskey played well but he's a striker and strikers through on goal should do better than shoot at the keeper- Paul ince has written a good piece today and is right when he says a strikers job first and foremost is to score goals and emile doesn't do this enough.
His build up play was excellent last night.
Milner if he wasn't fit to play should have said so, playing when not fit will do him no favours in the long run.,although capello statedchis booking played a large part in the decision, it certainly wasn't the James milner we know and love.
He will have been assessed by the medical team and the fitness coaches and I'm sure when the decision was made he and they thought he was ready. Unfortunately as the game went on things didn't appear right, that might have been his fitness, might have been nerves or he might just have been having a bad game but to suggest that he was somehow hoodwinking the manager into thinking he was fit is just not credible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 13, 2010, 10:29:55 AM
While Heskey had an impressive game overall, his miss when through on the keeper was every bit as bad as Green's howler the other end.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 13, 2010, 10:32:31 AM
Quote from: "Big Dick Edwards"
While Heskey had an impressive game overall, his miss when through on the keeper was every bit as bad as Green's howler the other end.
He should have done better but that's a huge exaggeration.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 13, 2010, 10:32:49 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "peter w"
That's why I was particularly disappointed for Heskey missing the one-on-one. Bar far our best player and it was obvious people would focus on the miss rather than his beautiful cushioned reverse pass the made Gerrard's task very easy.
Last night was his career in a nutshell. Make things easy for world class attacking players like Gerrard, then make a total hash of his own chances. I'd start with Crouch next game, as he does a similar job but has a much better scoring record.
Thing is its very easy to criticise Heskey but difficult to praise when its due.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 13, 2010, 10:37:14 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Big Dick Edwards"
While Heskey had an impressive game overall, his miss when through on the keeper was every bit as bad as Green's howler the other end.
He should have done better but that's a huge exaggeration.
Very much so. Heskey had a great game. Sorry for going OT.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 13, 2010, 10:37:26 AM
Wasn't Milner quite sick or injured a few months back and had a poor(ish) game and MoN revealed that James insisted that he was good to play?
Either way, it was quite obvious from the start that something was wrong. Yes, the ball never seemed to get over that side of the pitch but Milner's not one to hang about for the game to come to him. He wasn't putting himself about, looked very laboured (almost like he'd put on 3 stone instead of losing 1) and was blowing hard.
I hope this doesn't rule him out of games further down the track.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 13, 2010, 10:37:31 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "peter w"
That's why I was particularly disappointed for Heskey missing the one-on-one. Bar far our best player and it was obvious people would focus on the miss rather than his beautiful cushioned reverse pass the made Gerrard's task very easy.
Last night was his career in a nutshell. Make things easy for world class attacking players like Gerrard, then make a total hash of his own chances. I'd start with Crouch next game, as he does a similar job but has a much better scoring record.
Thing is its very easy to criticise Heskey but difficult to praise when its due.
Very true and as for Crouch I don't think he does do a similar job to Heskey. He hasn't got his physical strength so although he'll win headers all day he doesn't dominate centre halves in the way that Emile did last night. It's all flicks and knock downs rather than holding the ball up to bring the midfield into play.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2010, 10:38:37 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "peter w"
That's why I was particularly disappointed for Heskey missing the one-on-one. Bar far our best player and it was obvious people would focus on the miss rather than his beautiful cushioned reverse pass the made Gerrard's task very easy.
Last night was his career in a nutshell. Make things easy for world class attacking players like Gerrard, then make a total hash of his own chances. I'd start with Crouch next game, as he does a similar job but has a much better scoring record.
Thing is its very easy to criticise Heskey but difficult to praise when its due.
As I said, he made things easy for Gerrard which is what he's there to do I suppose. It's impossible to ignore just how shit he is in front of goal though. I still hope he's a Stoke City player by the time the new season kicks off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on June 13, 2010, 10:44:57 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Big Dick Edwards"
While Heskey had an impressive game overall, his miss when through on the keeper was every bit as bad as Green's howler the other end.
He should have done better but that's a huge exaggeration.
I don't think so. When goalkeepers make a mistake on the goal line in front of their posts it almost inevitably leads to a goal. Strikers missing a routine finish don't receive the same level of criticism. Heskey had pleenty of time and space to pick his spot but instead just blasted it at saveable height, straight at the keeper.
I'm not a Heskey knocker like some, more sympathetic to Green for his personal disaster. Heskey should have scored, or at the very least forced the keeper to make an excellent save.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 13, 2010, 10:54:46 AM
Quote from: "Big Dick Edwards"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Big Dick Edwards"
While Heskey had an impressive game overall, his miss when through on the keeper was every bit as bad as Green's howler the other end.
He should have done better but that's a huge exaggeration.
I don't think so. When goalkeepers make a mistake on the goal line in front of their posts it almost inevitably leads to a goal. Strikers missing a routine finish don't receive the same level of criticism. Heskey had pleenty of time and space to pick his spot but instead just blasted it at saveable height, straight at the keeper.
I'm not a Heskey knocker like some, more sympathetic to Green for his personal disaster. Heskey should have scored, or at the very least forced the keeper to make an excellent save.
Strikers miss chances in every single game, Green might not do that again for the rest of his career. It's just not the same thing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 13, 2010, 10:55:55 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Big Dick Edwards"
While Heskey had an impressive game overall, his miss when through on the keeper was every bit as bad as Green's howler the other end.
He should have done better but that's a huge exaggeration.
He should have, yes, but credit to the defender to getting across to him and showing good pace forcing Heskey to hit it earlier then he would have liked and outside the box, or just about on the 18 yard line. I think in that position Defoe is the only one who would have arried the ball with enough pace to make it a genuine one-on-one in the box. As it is, at international level you would expect the forward to score but it wasn't as naile on as you'd think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Summers on June 13, 2010, 11:09:45 AM
If Heskey doesn't start the next game, it's a joke. He was our best player by a mile, the only man who looked like making something happen.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on June 13, 2010, 11:23:02 AM
Quote from: "Summers"
If Heskey doesn't start the next game, it's a joke. He was our best player by a mile, the only man who looked like making something happen.
Lord help us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2010, 11:27:25 AM
Heskey had a very good game, he was probably our best attacking player. Got caught offside too many times though and should have done better with his chance.
Milner looked a little too over-keen to impress, but he'll learn from it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2010, 11:31:55 AM
chris , when did i suggest milner tried to hoodwink the manager? i implied maybe he felt he could play if needed and didnt want to let the manager down but should have said he didnt feel right , that is not suggesting he deliberately tried to hoodwink capello!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on June 13, 2010, 11:37:22 AM
Who knows? Maybe he did feel ok at the start of the game. It was a World Cup game, of course he's going to want to play. Like i've said on the WC Match Thread, he just looked a little over-keen to impress, but he'll learn from it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on June 13, 2010, 12:40:48 PM
Quote from: "Bosco81"
Must be frustrating for him played well in the centre and on the right all season then gets picked on the left.
He has played well on the left in all his England appearances apart from Mexico when he started in the centre.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on June 13, 2010, 02:01:24 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "John M"
I think that money is obviously important to Milner, as it is to us all.
He was sick of the circus at Newcastle, part of which was them trying to get away with paying him a lot less than other 1st team players. If he leaves us now, I think it will be mainly be for the 'footballing' reasons of thinking Man City are a better longterm bet, but he'll also negotiate himself a very healthy payrise in the process.
I think he's being motivated 25% by the cash and 75% for other reasons.
That's an interesting percentage breakdown John.
Out of interest, how did you arrive at that exact figure?
According to Mysterious Ways on VT he's had his head turned by the money on offer and nowt else. Taken in isolation that kind of reference would be easy enough to dismiss, granted.
But the fella does have a pretty decent track record of calling it right previously. And Milner has left for monetary reasons previously too by his own admission. I didn't see any reference to the troubles at Newcastle forming part of his decision.
For clarity:
Quote
Milner is happy to have joined Villa but insists that Newcastle could have done more to keep him.
He said: "I enjoyed every minute at Newcastle. It was a fantastic club. I enjoyed working with the manager and they are a great bunch of lads.
"But I knew offers had come in over the summer and the club had turned them down and the valuation of me wasn't reflected in the deal I was on.
"Speaking to them, I felt it was the right thing to put in a transfer request to show how I felt.
"A pretty good track record"?
I used to get txts off the bloke on an almost daily basis-from SWP to Defoe to Santa Cruz-
The only one he ever got right was NRC which was hardly the worlds best kept secret anyway.
Do you really think these private matters are bounced around every gossip & up & comming Nostrademous in Birmingham?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2010, 02:15:18 PM
That Mystery Man just enjoys being in the limelight. He might be mates with Faulkner or whoever, but there's no way they discuss everything in detail with him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 13, 2010, 02:22:46 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "peter w"
That's why I was particularly disappointed for Heskey missing the one-on-one. Bar far our best player and it was obvious people would focus on the miss rather than his beautiful cushioned reverse pass the made Gerrard's task very easy.
Last night was his career in a nutshell. Make things easy for world class attacking players like Gerrard, then make a total hash of his own chances. I'd start with Crouch next game, as he does a similar job but has a much better scoring record.
Thing is its very easy to criticise Heskey but difficult to praise when its due.
Very true and as for Crouch I don't think he does do a similar job to Heskey. He hasn't got his physical strength so although he'll win headers all day he doesn't dominate centre halves in the way that Emile did last night. It's all flicks and knock downs rather than holding the ball up to bring the midfield into play.
Absolutely, I'm a massive fan of Crouchy but he lacks Heskey's hustle and bustle. I don't think Crouch can make the job of his team mates easier like Heskey. The problem up front last night was not Emile Heskey who did his job absolutely perfectly but Wayne Rooney who did not deliver as well as we know he can.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 13, 2010, 02:25:18 PM
Its amazing! People are almost being positive about Heskey!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2010, 02:30:43 PM
If heskey did his job absolutely perfectly as you say , he would have scored when he was through on the keeper rather than shot straight at him !
He played well and showed some good touches but absolutely perfect is stretching it in the extreme!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on June 13, 2010, 02:34:51 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
That Mystery Man just enjoys being in the limelight. He might be mates with Faulkner or whoever, but there's no way they discuss everything in detail with him.
I have to say,my very limited experience of Faulkner has led me to form the opinion that he is a prat.
Yes he can undoubtedly do the job far better than I could but FFS he's just Randys puppet-He may well have served Randy loyaly in other ventures but most will agree that football is a different world & compared to the likes of Kenyon,someone as inexperienced as Faulkner is way,way out of his depth.
That said,I don't think even Faulkner would be stupid enough to go blabbing private matters involving multi-million pound contracts-if he was indeed privy to private thoughts in the first place.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 13, 2010, 02:45:35 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If heskey did his job absolutely perfectly as you say , he would have scored when he was through on the keeper rather than shot straight at him !
He played well and showed some good touches but absolutely perfect is stretching it in the extreme!
I think we both know Heskey is not in the team for his goalscoring exploits. He is in the team to win headers and hassle defenders. He did that hence he did his job.
If Heskey scores a goal for England it's a bonus much like John Terry or Glen Johnson getting one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2010, 04:02:48 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "east19"
If heskey did his job absolutely perfectly as you say , he would have scored when he was through on the keeper rather than shot straight at him !
He played well and showed some good touches but absolutely perfect is stretching it in the extreme!
I think we both know Heskey is not in the team for his goalscoring exploits. He is in the team to win headers and hassle defenders. He did that hence he did his job.
If Heskey scores a goal for England it's a bonus much like John Terry or Glen Johnson getting one.
Which is a ridiculous notion for a striker.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 13, 2010, 04:15:09 PM
Emile heskey is a striker, how can a goal from him be classed as a bonus alonngside a terry or Johnson goal?
He did play well last night but strikers are expected to get goals and emile missed our best chance last night to win the game,therefore your view that he was "absolutely perfect " last night seems strange!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on June 13, 2010, 04:20:58 PM
So this is where the "England v USA Post Match Thread" is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2010, 04:23:59 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
"A pretty good track record"?
I used to get txts off the bloke on an almost daily basis-from SWP to Defoe to Santa Cruz-
The only one he ever got right was NRC which was hardly the worlds best kept secret anyway.
Do you really think these private matters are bounced around every gossip & up & comming Nostrademous in Birmingham?
From memory, he said we were in for the Bulgarian fullback long before we were actually linked in the press. That would be a pretty obscure guess. He called Delph and Downing right long before that hit the papers and said there was no truth in the Tuncay link whatsoever -when it was reported that we'd got as far as talks. All pretty specific and not sounding remotely like guesswork, I'd have thought.
I always retain a healthy degree of scepticism on such matters, but if a guy gets more right than he does wrong (or even just gets quite a bit right) I'm inclined to believe there might be something in what he says.
There is also the simple fact that we as a club can have interest in a player, and that interest might be somewhat reciprocated early on. But then a prospective deal can hit the skids for a myriad of reasons. Said player might use our interest as leverage to get a better deal at his current club, for example. Or a more attractive offer from elsewhere might come in.
I'm pretty certain he doesn't have Faulkner on speed-dial, or has cosy fireside chats with RL. But seeing as he's known to spend a fair whack of cash down there it's not beyond the realms of possibility that if Mysterious Ways asks about what's going on in passing, senior staff (and Faulkner would come into that category) might give him a few harmless tit-bits to keep him sweet and make him feel special.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on June 13, 2010, 04:35:46 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Risso"
That Mystery Man just enjoys being in the limelight. He might be mates with Faulkner or whoever, but there's no way they discuss everything in detail with him.
I have to say,my very limited experience of Faulkner has led me to form the opinion that he is a prat.
Yes he can undoubtedly do the job far better than I could but FFS he's just Randys puppet-He may well have served Randy loyaly in other ventures but most will agree that football is a different world & compared to the likes of Kenyon,someone as inexperienced as Faulkner is way,way out of his depth.
That said,I don't think even Faulkner would be stupid enough to go blabbing private matters involving multi-million pound contracts-if he was indeed privy to private thoughts in the first place.
Can we please not pass comments about people who, on a personal level and more, have been very good to the H&V empire.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 13, 2010, 04:38:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "east19"
If heskey did his job absolutely perfectly as you say , he would have scored when he was through on the keeper rather than shot straight at him !
He played well and showed some good touches but absolutely perfect is stretching it in the extreme!
I think we both know Heskey is not in the team for his goalscoring exploits. He is in the team to win headers and hassle defenders. He did that hence he did his job.
If Heskey scores a goal for England it's a bonus much like John Terry or Glen Johnson getting one.
Which is a ridiculous notion for a striker.
I agree but it does not alter the fact that is what Capello looks at him for. I'm sure if there was a guy who allied Heskey's power to goal scoring ability he'd be picked for England ahead of Heskey unfortunately Didier Drogba isn't English. In the past two little men like Rooney and Defoe (In the case of Owen rather than Defoe admittedly) hasn't worked and for whatever reason Darren Bent doesn't do as well at international level. Now I'd pick Crouch or Gabby myself but that doesn't alter the fact he did the job he was picked to do.
Quote from: "east19"
Emile heskey is a striker, how can a goal from him be classed as a bonus alonngside a terry or Johnson goal?
He did play well last night but strikers are expected to get goals and emile missed our best chance last night to win the game,therefore your view that he was "absolutely perfect " last night seems strange!
Because he is picked to do a specific role as a targetman who helps other players to score. If Emile Heskey was picked for his goalscoring exploits he would surely have fallen by the wayside in terms of international football a long time ago. He is not picked to score goals. He is picked to help others to do so. An outstanding example of this was his pass to Gerrard for England's goal. If a strike partner was wanted for Rooney based on scoring ability then surely Darren Bent would not only have got into the England squad but would have played last night.
Now can we please get back to speculating about newspaper articles saying Milner is off to City for £15million plus Javan Vidal or whatever.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on June 13, 2010, 04:50:10 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "nechells"
"A pretty good track record"?
I used to get txts off the bloke on an almost daily basis-from SWP to Defoe to Santa Cruz-
The only one he ever got right was NRC which was hardly the worlds best kept secret anyway.
Do you really think these private matters are bounced around every gossip & up & comming Nostrademous in Birmingham?
From memory, he said we were in for the Bulgarian fullback long before we were actually linked in the press. That would be a pretty obscure guess. He called Delph and Downing right long before that hit the papers and said there was no truth in the Tuncay link whatsoever -when it was reported that we'd got as far as talks. All pretty specific and not sounding remotely like guesswork, I'd have thought.
I always retain a healthy degree of scepticism on such matters, but if a guy gets more right than he does wrong (or even just gets quite a bit right) I'm inclined to believe there might be something in what he says.
There is also the simple fact that we as a club can have interest in a player, and that interest might be somewhat reciprocated early on. But then a prospective deal can hit the skids for a myriad of reasons. Said player might use our interest as leverage to get a better deal at his current club, for example. Or a more attractive offer from elsewhere might come in.
I'm pretty certain he doesn't have Faulkner on speed-dial, or has cosy fireside chats with RL. But seeing as he's known to spend a fair whack of cash down there it's not beyond the realms of possibility that if Mysterious Ways asks about what's going on in passing, senior staff (and Faulkner would come into that category) might give him a few harmless tit-bits to keep him sweet and make him feel special.
Therein lies the problem-you are asuming his info comes from within AVFC
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villajk on June 13, 2010, 04:51:52 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
I have to say,my very limited experience of Faulkner has led me to form the opinion that he is a prat.
Yes he can undoubtedly do the job far better than I could but FFS he's just Randys puppet-He may well have served Randy loyaly in other ventures but most will agree that football is a different world & compared to the likes of Kenyon,someone as inexperienced as Faulkner is way,way out of his depth.
That said,I don't think even Faulkner would be stupid enough to go blabbing private matters involving multi-million pound contracts-if he was indeed privy to private thoughts in the first place.
Paul Faulkner is anything but a prat.
He's not Randy's puppet. He's a very intelligent man who has worked hard and achieved well.
He is also very personable and an excellent listener to the needs of the fans.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on June 13, 2010, 04:53:05 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Risso"
That Mystery Man just enjoys being in the limelight. He might be mates with Faulkner or whoever, but there's no way they discuss everything in detail with him.
I have to say,my very limited experience of Faulkner has led me to form the opinion that he is a prat.
Yes he can undoubtedly do the job far better than I could but FFS he's just Randys puppet-He may well have served Randy loyaly in other ventures but most will agree that football is a different world & compared to the likes of Kenyon,someone as inexperienced as Faulkner is way,way out of his depth.
That said,I don't think even Faulkner would be stupid enough to go blabbing private matters involving multi-million pound contracts-if he was indeed privy to private thoughts in the first place.
Can we please not pass comments about people who, on a personal level and more, have been very good to the H&V empire.
No probs.
Perhaps you could furnish us a list of everyone who has been "very good to the H & V empire" - Just so as we know who we can pass comments on & who we can't.
Thanks in advance
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on June 13, 2010, 04:56:17 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Risso"
That Mystery Man just enjoys being in the limelight. He might be mates with Faulkner or whoever, but there's no way they discuss everything in detail with him.
I have to say,my very limited experience of Faulkner has led me to form the opinion that he is a prat.
Yes he can undoubtedly do the job far better than I could but FFS he's just Randys puppet-He may well have served Randy loyaly in other ventures but most will agree that football is a different world & compared to the likes of Kenyon,someone as inexperienced as Faulkner is way,way out of his depth.
That said,I don't think even Faulkner would be stupid enough to go blabbing private matters involving multi-million pound contracts-if he was indeed privy to private thoughts in the first place.
Can we please not pass comments about people who, on a personal level and more, have been very good to the H&V empire.
No probs.
Perhaps you could furnish us a list of everyone who has been "very good to the H & V empire" - Just so as we know who we can pass comments on & who we can't.
Thanks in advance
I have to say,my very limited experience of you has led me to... Well you know the rest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on June 13, 2010, 04:57:09 PM
Nechells isn’t very nice is he?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Stu on June 13, 2010, 04:57:45 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Perhaps you could furnish us a list of everyone who has been "very good to the H & V empire" - Just so as we know who we can pass comments on & who we can't.
Why would you pass comment on someone you don't know?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 13, 2010, 04:59:54 PM
I'm assuming nowt.
He might have a tardis in his back garden for all I know.
It's been alluded to in the past that he is on first name terms with Faulkner and a few other senior bods due to his corporate ties with the club.
To my knowledge, MM has neither confirmed or denied that.
All I do know is that he's called plenty right in the last three years. You often get desperados at this time of year coming out of the woodwork and claiming they have the inside track on what's going on. Friend of a friend, estate agent working on behalf of Jean Pierre Papin, Bergkamp, Ulises de la Cruz et.c. They usually disappear pretty sharpish when their 'inside info' turns out to be bollocks.
But as MM is still doing the rounds after all this time and isn't getting laughed off every site he ventures onto, maybe he's just a tad more credible than you'd like to believe?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on June 13, 2010, 05:17:27 PM
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Risso"
That Mystery Man just enjoys being in the limelight. He might be mates with Faulkner or whoever, but there's no way they discuss everything in detail with him.
I have to say,my very limited experience of Faulkner has led me to form the opinion that he is a prat.
Yes he can undoubtedly do the job far better than I could but FFS he's just Randys puppet-He may well have served Randy loyaly in other ventures but most will agree that football is a different world & compared to the likes of Kenyon,someone as inexperienced as Faulkner is way,way out of his depth.
That said,I don't think even Faulkner would be stupid enough to go blabbing private matters involving multi-million pound contracts-if he was indeed privy to private thoughts in the first place.
Can we please not pass comments about people who, on a personal level and more, have been very good to the H&V empire.
No probs.
Perhaps you could furnish us a list of everyone who has been "very good to the H & V empire" - Just so as we know who we can pass comments on & who we can't.
Thanks in advance
I have to say,my very limited experience of you has led me to... Well you know the rest.
You may well mistakingly believe that I crave your approval though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on June 13, 2010, 10:01:21 PM
Quote from: "Stu"
Quote from: "nechells"
Perhaps you could furnish us a list of everyone who has been "very good to the H & V empire" - Just so as we know who we can pass comments on & who we can't.
Why would you pass comment on someone you don't know?
It's never stopped us on here with any other person connected with the club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 14, 2010, 01:10:19 AM
Quote from: "Summers"
If Heskey doesn't start the next game, it's a joke. He was our best player by a mile, the only man who looked like making something happen.
This is not the Villa. Capello will have a Plan B, C and probably D. Yes Heskey did well but as Chris Smith would probably say, I'll leave it for the manager to decide.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 14, 2010, 08:44:32 AM
As well as Heskey played, the team itself didn't look right. If that means Fabio goes 5 in midfield and plays Joe Cole instead, then so be it.
Personally against such bog standard opposition, I think Fabio will stick with two up front, but I wonder if he might be tempted to put Crouch in for his goal threat. We do need to notch up a few. There's now a worry the US might finish above us on goal difference, because I think they should beat the other two.
We don't want to make hard work of it, that's for sure.
It'd be harsh on Emile but this is the World Cup, you have to take it game by game. We'll be under no pressure in the next two, so someone to hold it up for the runners, might not be needed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 14, 2010, 08:47:41 AM
Quote from: "supertom"
As well as Heskey played, the team itself didn't look right. If that means Fabio goes 5 in midfield and plays Joe Cole instead, then so be it.
Personally against such bog standard opposition, I think Fabio will stick with two up front, but I wonder if he might be tempted to put Crouch in for his goal threat. We do need to notch up a few. There's now a worry the US might finish above us on goal difference, because I think they should beat the other two.
We don't want to make hard work of it, that's for sure.
It'd be harsh on Emile but this is the World Cup, you have to take it game by game. We'll be under no pressure in the next two, so someone to hold it up for the runners, might not be needed.
Surely the change will be that Barry comes into the middle and Gerrard plays from the left. It is what he played all through qualifying.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 14, 2010, 09:22:55 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "supertom"
As well as Heskey played, the team itself didn't look right. If that means Fabio goes 5 in midfield and plays Joe Cole instead, then so be it.
Personally against such bog standard opposition, I think Fabio will stick with two up front, but I wonder if he might be tempted to put Crouch in for his goal threat. We do need to notch up a few. There's now a worry the US might finish above us on goal difference, because I think they should beat the other two.
We don't want to make hard work of it, that's for sure.
It'd be harsh on Emile but this is the World Cup, you have to take it game by game. We'll be under no pressure in the next two, so someone to hold it up for the runners, might not be needed.
Surely the change will be that Barry comes into the middle and Gerrard plays from the left. It is what he played all through qualifying.
For now yes. Against better opposition, I think Cole has to play. We were crying out for his guile against the US. But in all honesty, I don't see what Barry will change, he's not had a great season, for club or country. He'll not be 100% either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 14, 2010, 09:33:24 AM
Quote from: "supertom"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "supertom"
As well as Heskey played, the team itself didn't look right. If that means Fabio goes 5 in midfield and plays Joe Cole instead, then so be it.
Personally against such bog standard opposition, I think Fabio will stick with two up front, but I wonder if he might be tempted to put Crouch in for his goal threat. We do need to notch up a few. There's now a worry the US might finish above us on goal difference, because I think they should beat the other two.
We don't want to make hard work of it, that's for sure.
It'd be harsh on Emile but this is the World Cup, you have to take it game by game. We'll be under no pressure in the next two, so someone to hold it up for the runners, might not be needed.
Surely the change will be that Barry comes into the middle and Gerrard plays from the left. It is what he played all through qualifying.
For now yes. Against better opposition, I think Cole has to play. We were crying out for his guile against the US. But in all honesty, I don't see what Barry will change, he's not had a great season, for club or country. He'll not be 100% either.
We're just much better balanced with Barry in there, Lampard and Gerrard both benefit from having him in the side.
As for Cole, he's hardly played any football in the last 12 months and has looked poor in the games he has figured in for Chelsea. So impact sub at most for him I reckon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 14, 2010, 11:59:21 AM
From the BBC gossip page:-
Manchester City are reportedly ready to offer midfielder Stephen Ireland in any potential deal to land Liverpool captain Steven Gerrard. Full story: http://www.caughtoffside.com/2010/06/13/manchester-city-ready-to-offer-ireland-in-40m-liverpool-swoop-mancini-attempts-to-sweeten-cheeky-deal-to-sign-gerrard/
If true this might mean them moving away for the Milner deal. Would suit us to see another of our direct rivals weakened and us not!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: russon on June 14, 2010, 12:11:12 PM
What odds would you have got for Heskey MOTM v America and Milner hauled off after 30 minutes for being crap? Hopefully Jimmy goes on to have a stinker of a tournament and no-one wants to buy him while Heskey excells and we call in a few mill from a gullible Newcastle, they're usually good for a bad buy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on June 14, 2010, 12:25:05 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "supertom"
As well as Heskey played, the team itself didn't look right. If that means Fabio goes 5 in midfield and plays Joe Cole instead, then so be it.
Personally against such bog standard opposition, I think Fabio will stick with two up front, but I wonder if he might be tempted to put Crouch in for his goal threat. We do need to notch up a few. There's now a worry the US might finish above us on goal difference, because I think they should beat the other two.
We don't want to make hard work of it, that's for sure.
It'd be harsh on Emile but this is the World Cup, you have to take it game by game. We'll be under no pressure in the next two, so someone to hold it up for the runners, might not be needed.
Surely the change will be that Barry comes into the middle and Gerrard plays from the left. It is what he played all through qualifying.
There's two problems with that imo. Firstly Barry has'nt played for nearly 4 weeks, so he'll probably only last an hour. Also, why shove Gerrard out wide just to accomodate Lampard? It's the kind of thing we always do and which is why we'll never win anything.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 14, 2010, 01:24:28 PM
Quote from: "russon"
What odds would you have got for Heskey MOTM v America and Milner hauled off after 30 minutes for being crap? Hopefully Jimmy goes on to have a stinker of a tournament and no-one wants to buy him while Heskey excells and we call in a few mill from a gullible Newcastle, they're usually good for a bad buy.
Heskey + Golden Boot = Man City + £15m
Get out the orange dot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 14, 2010, 01:37:07 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "supertom"
As well as Heskey played, the team itself didn't look right. If that means Fabio goes 5 in midfield and plays Joe Cole instead, then so be it.
Personally against such bog standard opposition, I think Fabio will stick with two up front, but I wonder if he might be tempted to put Crouch in for his goal threat. We do need to notch up a few. There's now a worry the US might finish above us on goal difference, because I think they should beat the other two.
We don't want to make hard work of it, that's for sure.
It'd be harsh on Emile but this is the World Cup, you have to take it game by game. We'll be under no pressure in the next two, so someone to hold it up for the runners, might not be needed.
Surely the change will be that Barry comes into the middle and Gerrard plays from the left. It is what he played all through qualifying.
There's two problems with that imo. Firstly Barry has'nt played for nearly 4 weeks, so he'll probably only last an hour. Also, why shove Gerrard out wide just to accomodate Lampard? It's the kind of thing we always do and which is why we'll never win anything.
It's the way we played all through qualifying and it worked well. Gerrard plays from the left but not as a winger so is able to get forward and link up with Rooney and it also gives Ashley Cole room to push on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 14, 2010, 01:45:04 PM
It did work well in qualifying, but that doesn't mean it should be kept going into the finals.
Against the top sides, a 4-4-2 played as rigidly as England do it can be exposed and you end up getting overrun in midfield. Playing two strikers means Rooney can drop deeper to combat this, but do you want your biggest goal threat chasing around in midfield?
England's best side when it comes down to facing the tournament favourites would be Gerrard behind Roony and Heskey left out. Probably Joe Cole coming in wide left.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
Englands best side against anyone should not include heskey 7 goals in 59 internationals I believe, total luxury we can't afford-goals win games and heskey as per usual missed a sitter!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: David_Nab on June 14, 2010, 02:26:11 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Englands best side against anyone should not include heskey 7 goals in 59 internationals I believe, total luxury we can't afford-goals win games and heskey as per usual missed a sitter!
He also set up the goal and once he went off we had no one holding the ball up.He might not score enough but for me he was one of the better players on the pitch on the day and deserves to stay in the team.
It's a shame Young hasn't been able to perform for England because with Beckham out the delivery from the wings is awful and SWP is hopeless on the left.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2010, 03:01:24 PM
agreed emile played well on saturday , but rooney has stated he prefers playing on his own up front and i think we cannot afford the luxury of heskey, rooney with gerrard playing just behind him would be a better option , lets be honest emile is nowhere near good enough to be in our team never mind englands.
he had some neat touches and a good pass but he also missed a sitter , if capello was that impressed he would have not substituted him , as for milner i can only think his illness played a big part in his performance , but im sure man city were not thinking of playing him in the same role capello did and therefore will not be too deterred by his performance,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 14, 2010, 03:05:36 PM
If the theory is correct that you shouldn't buy a player based on just their World Cup performances, then surely it must follow that you wouldn't be put off an existing transfer target based on the same?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: puppyfeat on June 14, 2010, 03:23:23 PM
To be fair Klose missed a better similar chance last night than Heskey's - but then again he did score later on and no doubt it won't be his last. Ivanhoe was far from England's worst player v USA but he has no confidence in front of goal and also this idea that he's good for Rooney is daft because what it results in is Roo dropping deeper where he's no threat at all. So for those reasons I'd drop our man (how I wish he wasn't!) and play Roo as a lone striker. I'd like to see us go 4-2-3-1 with two deeper midfielders - Barry and, er, Carrick (for want of anyone better), with Gerrard Lampard and Cole ahead of them and Roo up top. Should be good enough to see off Algeria anyway!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 14, 2010, 03:25:39 PM
Quote from: "puppyfeat"
To be fair Klose missed a better similar chance last night than Heskey's - but then again he did score later on and no doubt it won't be his last. Ivanhoe was far from England's worst player v USA but he has no confidence in front of goal and also this idea that he's good for Rooney is daft because what it results in is Roo dropping deeper where he's no threat at all. So for those reasons I'd drop our man (how I wish he wasn't!) and play Roo as a lone striker. I'd like to see us go 4-2-3-1 with two deeper midfielders - Barry and, er, Carrick (for want of anyone better), with Gerrard Lampard and Cole ahead of them and Roo up top. Should be good enough to see off Algeria anyway!
Actually, the stats show that Rooney scores a lot more with Heskey in the team!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: puppyfeat on June 14, 2010, 03:33:55 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "puppyfeat"
To be fair Klose missed a better similar chance last night than Heskey's - but then again he did score later on and no doubt it won't be his last. Ivanhoe was far from England's worst player v USA but he has no confidence in front of goal and also this idea that he's good for Rooney is daft because what it results in is Roo dropping deeper where he's no threat at all. So for those reasons I'd drop our man (how I wish he wasn't!) and play Roo as a lone striker. I'd like to see us go 4-2-3-1 with two deeper midfielders - Barry and, er, Carrick (for want of anyone better), with Gerrard Lampard and Cole ahead of them and Roo up top. Should be good enough to see off Algeria anyway!
Actually, the stats show that Rooney scores a lot more with Heskey in the team!
He's scored 1 in about the last 12 England games. It ain't working.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 14, 2010, 03:36:55 PM
Quote from: "east19"
agreed emile played well on saturday , but rooney has stated he prefers playing on his own up front and i think we cannot afford the luxury of heskey, rooney with gerrard playing just behind him would be a better option , lets be honest emile is nowhere near good enough to be in our team never mind englands.
he had some neat touches and a good pass but he also missed a sitter , if capello was that impressed he would have not substituted him , as for milner i can only think his illness played a big part in his performance , but im sure man city were not thinking of playing him in the same role capello did and therefore will not be too deterred by his performance,
He substituted him because he'd worked his bollocks off and he knows he's going to need him again on Friday. There will be games when he doesn't play if Capello uses a different system but he'll be there for the majority of games because he helps Rooney so much.
I've not seen Rooney say he prefers playing on his own up front for England, can you show me the quotes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hilts_coolerking on June 14, 2010, 03:49:40 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I've not seen Rooney say he prefers playing on his own up front for England, can you show me the quotes.
He said it in an interview with Shearer during the BBC's coverage of one of the first games.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lucky Eddie on June 14, 2010, 03:56:43 PM
Quote from: "puppyfeat"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "puppyfeat"
To be fair Klose missed a better similar chance last night than Heskey's - but then again he did score later on and no doubt it won't be his last. Ivanhoe was far from England's worst player v USA but he has no confidence in front of goal and also this idea that he's good for Rooney is daft because what it results in is Roo dropping deeper where he's no threat at all. So for those reasons I'd drop our man (how I wish he wasn't!) and play Roo as a lone striker. I'd like to see us go 4-2-3-1 with two deeper midfielders - Barry and, er, Carrick (for want of anyone better), with Gerrard Lampard and Cole ahead of them and Roo up top. Should be good enough to see off Algeria anyway!
Actually, the stats show that Rooney scores a lot more with Heskey in the team!
He's scored 1 in about the last 12 England games. It ain't working.
Aint working? Did you miss our qualifying campaign then?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 14, 2010, 04:00:09 PM
I forgot for a second that Rooney picked the team not Capello. Love, or as many of you do, hate Heskey, he was one of the best players on the pitch. And I think we looked less balanced when the big guy came off. I think Rooney wants to start worrying about his own game. He looked like the overrated player alongside SWP, Lennon, Terry and Carragher IMO. I saw good work from Gerrard, a steadily improving Lamps, and impressive shifts from Cole and to a lesser extent Johnson. Well done Emile.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 14, 2010, 04:04:56 PM
Puppyfeat, if you think Rooney drops deep when Heskey or Crouch play, wait until you see when he is the sole striker. I know the BBC experts have lauded how we must play a 5 man midfield, but it hasnt worked for England for a few years now. Our qualification was based on a 4 4 2 as it brings Rooney into the game better than when he is our front man and still making tackles in our own third. Maybe if we stopped smuggling sausage rolls into the football, Rooney would be less inclined to chase it all the way back, but until that point, in Fabio we trust
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 14, 2010, 04:21:16 PM
Quote from: "puppyfeat"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "puppyfeat"
To be fair Klose missed a better similar chance last night than Heskey's - but then again he did score later on and no doubt it won't be his last. Ivanhoe was far from England's worst player v USA but he has no confidence in front of goal and also this idea that he's good for Rooney is daft because what it results in is Roo dropping deeper where he's no threat at all. So for those reasons I'd drop our man (how I wish he wasn't!) and play Roo as a lone striker. I'd like to see us go 4-2-3-1 with two deeper midfielders - Barry and, er, Carrick (for want of anyone better), with Gerrard Lampard and Cole ahead of them and Roo up top. Should be good enough to see off Algeria anyway!
Actually, the stats show that Rooney scores a lot more with Heskey in the team!
He's scored 1 in about the last 12 England games. It ain't working.
Heskey has hardly played any of those 12 games though. In qualification Capello played him and Rooney scored regularly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 14, 2010, 04:37:51 PM
we are playing Algeria on Friday not Brazil or Italy, if we need a 5 man midfield against them, we might as well pack up.
i agree it might be best to play Rooney up on his own in the knock out bit, assuming we get there, but against Algeria you gota play two goalscorers, i say Rooney and Crouchy. its no point pussyfooting about, we need goals, so put the men on that score them, we must be positive and go for goals
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 14, 2010, 04:45:19 PM
I'm amazed that people are clamouring for heskey to start in the England team- ok he played well on sat but how many times has he played well in the last 2 yrs?
I'd be horrified if emile heskey was still here and started the season in our team-one good game doesn't make him a good player, he's an inconsistent liability both for England and villa!
Stick on the DVD of last season for a reminder of the real emile!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: puppyfeat on June 14, 2010, 04:58:40 PM
Quote from: "john e"
we are playing Algeria on Friday not Brazil or Italy, if we need a 5 man midfield against them, we might as well pack up.
i agree it might be best to play Rooney up on his own in the knock out bit, assuming we get there, but against Algeria you gota play two goalscorers, i say Rooney and Crouchy. its no point pussyfooting about, we need goals, so put the men on that score them, we must be positive and go for goals
Well Crouch certainly has a great scoring record against crap teams, so from that point of view that's not a bad idea.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 14, 2010, 05:02:59 PM
Quote from: "puppyfeat"
Quote from: "john e"
we are playing Algeria on Friday not Brazil or Italy, if we need a 5 man midfield against them, we might as well pack up.
i agree it might be best to play Rooney up on his own in the knock out bit, assuming we get there, but against Algeria you gota play two goalscorers, i say Rooney and Crouchy. its no point pussyfooting about, we need goals, so put the men on that score them, we must be positive and go for goals
Well Crouch certainly has a great scoring record against crap teams, so from that point of view that's not a bad idea.
thats what i was thinking, everone says he can only score against rubbish sides, well were playing Algeria, so he should be well capable of filling his boots
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on June 14, 2010, 05:16:08 PM
Eh! Whoops! Sorry, thought I was on the James Milner thread. Must need new galoshes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 14, 2010, 05:19:41 PM
I guess I am the only one on this site that wouldnt be disappointed if Heskey was still here in August? (Unless there is a replacement thats better of course) I dont want him going without us replacing him with someone that can control long balls, bring midfielders into the game, and generate pages of H&V discussion
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 14, 2010, 05:42:19 PM
I want him gone.
He's not the worst player in the world, but it will be like a festering sore for as long as he's on the books.
Ivanhoe can't help the fact that when we had a genuine chance of cracking the top 4 in Jan 09 the manager went the route he did.
He's game enough, a trier (though I believe he's selective as far as his effort is concerned and conserves his best energy for England) and all the rest of it.
But few sides can carry a forward who poses less of a goal threat than a typical centre-half. We're certainly not good enough to carry such a player. We don't score anywhere near enough goals from other departments to make it even a worthwhile debate. Getting down to brass tacks, Ivanhoe hasn't exactly helped our other forwards or midfielders fill their boots either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 14, 2010, 06:53:21 PM
Do you think this thread could get back to discussing the awesome James Milner, please?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Californian Villain on June 14, 2010, 07:56:43 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
Do you think this thread could get back to discussing the awesome James Milner, please?
OK then.
I'm thinking that Milner will be staying now - after his performance against USA, he'll be lucky to get on the pitch again at the WC. and Citeh should have crossed him off their list of targets by now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on June 14, 2010, 07:57:55 PM
Thanks.
I think he'll play again. He had been suffering from a virus.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Californian Villain on June 14, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
Oh yeah, the virus....I think this is a load of **** to cover up what was a really awful performance: two touches of the ball and committed two fouls in 30 minutes.
The focus has been on the goalkeeping blunder - and rightly so - otherwise Milner would have been torn to pieces by now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 14, 2010, 08:03:43 PM
Regardless of whether or not he has a good world cup I'm not totally sure he'll be leaving... In fact I think he will stay in the end.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 14, 2010, 09:31:46 PM
Quote from: "Californian Villain"
Oh yeah, the virus....I think this is a load of **** to cover up what was a really awful performance: two touches of the ball and committed two fouls in 30 minutes.
Even thought he was well-reported to have had the virus all week?
Maybe the media and the England camp assumed he was going to play badly and made up the story well in advance to cover it up?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Grande Pablo on June 14, 2010, 09:35:39 PM
Credit to Milner that Capello was soon keen to play him ahead of Joe Cole & SWP irregardless of his physical condition. I wasn't the right move though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 15, 2010, 02:13:04 AM
Really dont think Milner will get another game. Barry holding mid-field and Gerrard, Lampard + Cole to assist the forwards .............
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 15, 2010, 08:43:28 AM
I think he will get another game or two, probably as sub. Capello rightly sees his awesomeness. I think the game the other day was just one of those off days. He was so keen to do a good jb, its almost as if he tried too hard, remember him at VP 2008-09 season. Trying his heart out, but end product not quite right. It will come.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on June 15, 2010, 10:03:22 AM
Felt sorry for Milner on Saturday. Clearly not fit, he's then used wide left and out of position, then hauled off after getting booked. He looked like he was breathing out of his arse. A very un-Milner like performance.
To be honest, and I know it's early days, I've been very disappointed with Capello so far in this World Cup. Didn't agree with his final squad, found his tactics and selection for the USA game very odd.
Fingers crossed James recovers and gets a second crack at it. I'm sure he'll feature again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on June 15, 2010, 10:19:03 AM
I'm leaning towards him staying now, for another year anyway. MON will do what he did during the first rumblings of the Barry Liverpool saga, scare them off with a huge price and make a couple of promises to James. A new striker and maybe midfielder with maybe the promise of captaincy, don't get me wrong, Stan's been a great captain but as many have said he gets tired around 60 minutes, we need someone who can perform for all 90 minutes, whether MON has the balls to make the call is a different matter.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 15, 2010, 10:22:44 AM
Quote from: "Rancid custard"
I'm leaning towards him staying now, for another year anyway. MON will do what he did during the first rumblings of the Barry Liverpool saga, scare them off with a huge price and make a couple of promises to James. A new striker and maybe midfielder with maybe the promise of captaincy, don't get me wrong, Stan's been a great captain but as many have said he gets tired around 60 minutes, we need someone who can perform for all 90 minutes, whether MON has the balls to make the call is a different matter.
I think that's a dangerous tactic for a player who will have one year left on his contract by summer 2011. With Barry it cost us about £5m (Liverppol went to £17m in 08 and sold for £12m in 09), but with Jimmy that could be £10m+, which I don't think we can afford to ignore.
Either he signs a new contract or we take the oil money!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 15, 2010, 10:32:14 AM
I'm not aware that Liverpool went to 'anything' for Barry. Where did you hear that?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 15, 2010, 10:41:50 AM
If I'm honest it was just the paper speculation/'inside knowledge', but it was widely reported they offered a a £10m package of exchange players originally and then came back with at least one improved offer, but Martin stuck to his £18m valuation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 15, 2010, 10:45:38 AM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
I'm not aware that Liverpool went to 'anything' for Barry. Where did you hear that?
I thought they bid £15m for Barry?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 15, 2010, 10:54:11 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
I'm not aware that Liverpool went to 'anything' for Barry. Where did you hear that?
I thought they bid £15m for Barry?
I thought it was more like £12m
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 15, 2010, 10:54:32 AM
If he plays like that again.. He wont be going nowhere
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 15, 2010, 11:40:18 AM
He'll get a subs runout when needed - probably Slovenia if we're 2 up or something. capello is a big fan so will be loathe to let him fetser and the memories of his World Cup being a lack of match fitness 30 minutes.
oh, and I'd still sell. I really don't like our balance at the moment and having Milner in the middle with Petrov is a big problem. Having 2 wingers doesn't work in the 4-4-2 also.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 15, 2010, 11:48:45 AM
Quote from: "John M"
If I'm honest it was just the paper speculation/'inside knowledge', but it was widely reported they offered a a £10m package of exchange players originally and then came back with at least one improved offer, but Martin stuck to his £18m valuation.
Liverpool offered a "mish mash" of players according to Martin. They no way bid 17 million. The main reason being becuase they didn't have it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 15, 2010, 11:51:19 AM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "John M"
If I'm honest it was just the paper speculation/'inside knowledge', but it was widely reported they offered a a £10m package of exchange players originally and then came back with at least one improved offer, but Martin stuck to his £18m valuation.
Liverpool offered a "mish mash" of players according to Martin. They no way bid 17 million. The main reason being becuase they didn't have it.
The mish mash was the first bid, but they bid come back with at least one improved offer after that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on June 15, 2010, 12:19:48 PM
Anyone know why he didn't take the penalty at Arsenal ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 15, 2010, 01:27:16 PM
If Liverpool had made this alleged bit they'd have got him. The fact they couldnt even match City's 12m bid says it all
If we get 30m offered for Milner and he 'wants' to go fair enough
If he's happy to stay, sign a new deal and get a pay rise even better
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 15, 2010, 01:39:15 PM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
If Liverpool had made this alleged bit they'd have got him. The fact they couldnt even match City's 12m bid says it all
If we get 30m offered for Milner and he 'wants' to go fair enough
If he's happy to stay, sign a new deal and get a pay rise even better
I think you're missing the point I was making:-
We got £12m for Barry in summer 09, but during summer 08 when Liverpool first bid, we wanted £18m. They did not meet this, but did offer something approaching it, although we can only speculate exactly how far they went. Whatever they did bid, lets say £15m for arguments sake, we effectively 'lost' the difference between that and the £12m he eventually went for, with the drop being due to him having only one year left as opposed to two.
If our valuation of Milner is the reported £30m, then applying the same scale we'd be after £20m next summer unless he signs a new contract. Realistically, we won't get £20m in summer 2011 for him, so should Man City come back with an improved offer saying no could cost us over £10m.
Although we could comfortably absorb the circa £3m loss on Barry, we can't do with Milner as due to the larger asking price, there will be a larger drop in his value. So if he doesn't sign a new contract, he should be sold!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 15, 2010, 01:40:45 PM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
If Liverpool had made this alleged bit they'd have got him. The fact they couldnt even match City's 12m bid says it all
That fat fucker didn't give them time to match their bid, he signed with indecent haste as soon as he saw all those zeros. Beitez subsequently said that they had still been interested and that they then paid £20m for Aquilani suggest that they'd have found the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 15, 2010, 09:37:16 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
If Liverpool had made this alleged bit they'd have got him. The fact they couldnt even match City's 12m bid says it all
If we get 30m offered for Milner and he 'wants' to go fair enough
If he's happy to stay, sign a new deal and get a pay rise even better
I think you're missing the point I was making:-
We got £12m for Barry in summer 09, but during summer 08 when Liverpool first bid, we wanted £18m. They did not meet this, but did offer something approaching it, although we can only speculate exactly how far they went. Whatever they did bid, lets say £15m for arguments sake, we effectively 'lost' the difference between that and the £12m he eventually went for, with the drop being due to him having only one year left as opposed to two.
If our valuation of Milner is the reported £30m, then applying the same scale we'd be after £20m next summer unless he signs a new contract. Realistically, we won't get £20m in summer 2011 for him, so should Man City come back with an improved offer saying no could cost us over £10m.
Although we could comfortably absorb the circa £3m loss on Barry, we can't do with Milner as due to the larger asking price, there will be a larger drop in his value. So if he doesn't sign a new contract, he should be sold!
The point I made when this first all kicked off...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 15, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
Whether or not he should be sold aside, we dont need to cash in. Its not money we're depending on. Where has that notion come from?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 15, 2010, 09:45:11 PM
Its not that we need to ash in, but you have to weigh up the player against the profit. Even man U did that with Ronaldo to Real for £80m (to a degree). If we get silly money for Milner then I think we should take it and build the side again.
The other point is that there is a real debate going on about just how good Milner is. Very good, yes, but that's just for one season and there are many who aren't sure he'll get that much better than where he is now to the point that he's in an all time villa XI.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 16, 2010, 07:57:34 AM
He still looks like Lee Evans to me, so we should accept £27m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 16, 2010, 09:05:17 AM
Agreed-take the money and move on , I'd take Ireland and keane along with clyne from palace and that would cover the milner cash, and then with what other money we have or cam raise get another striker in and midfielder and sell off the likes of davies, sidwell, luke young, heskey!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on June 16, 2010, 09:31:30 AM
Another season of James could mean more to us than £10 mill, especially if we qualify for the Champs League.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on June 16, 2010, 01:03:39 PM
Sell sell sell. Reshape the midfield with a couple of world class players with Ash and Delph and with sponsor money buy two class strikers ...........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 16, 2010, 03:19:45 PM
Surely within this world cup there's a quality looking defensive midfielder who can run like a maniac for 90 minutes without breaking sweat, tackle like Bobby Moore, and pass it like Sid, and who no one in the CL is looking at.
There must be!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 16, 2010, 04:00:19 PM
When I first head City were after Milner I said to friends & family (and I quote):
Why the f*** can't City just f*** off poaching our players!
Then I realised he wasn't worth £28m.
Let him go. Footballers are always going to be the same: Give them a big pay-cheque and they'll f*** off. Gareth Barry being a good example.
Let him go. Give us £28-£30m and we'll get 2 or 3 players of equal, if not better quality.
And there has been a lot of potential in this World Cup. I hope O'Neill is writing his shopping list!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bad English on June 16, 2010, 04:39:20 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
there has been a lot of potential in this World Cup. I hope O'Neill is writing his shopping list!
Well, Scotland and Ireland aren't playing so he's going to be able to write it on the back of a box of Swan Vestas.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 16, 2010, 05:12:58 PM
MON has been in Hull, Portsmouth and Burnley doing some shopping.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 16, 2010, 05:22:54 PM
Hope so
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villaross on June 16, 2010, 06:41:30 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
When I first head City were after Milner I said to friends & family (and I quote):
Why the f*** can't City just f*** off poaching our players!
Then I realised he wasn't worth £28m.
Let him go. Footballers are always going to be the same: Give them a big pay-cheque and they'll f*** off. Gareth Barry being a good example.
Let him go. Give us £28-£30m and we'll get 2 or 3 players of equal, if not better quality.
And there has been a lot of potential in this World Cup. I hope O'Neill is writing his shopping list!
It is amazing how players often swap the word 'money' for 'ambition'. Milner will doubt talk about the huge ambition City have and how their ambition is bigger than Villas. I agree if he wants the cash let him go and re can re-build elsewhere, he i no way worth 28 mil anyway
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Californian Villain on June 16, 2010, 09:06:55 PM
Quote from: "villaross"
It is amazing how players often swap the word 'money' for 'ambition'. Milner will doubt talk about the huge ambition City have and how their ambition is bigger than Villas. I agree if he wants the cash let him go and re can re-build elsewhere, he i no way worth 28 mil anyway
Bit unfair on Milner - let's wait and see if he leaves first, and then hear what he says shall we?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 16, 2010, 09:58:57 PM
Its not that they have a bigger ambition its just that they have the ability to achieve it quicker than us with their money. Man City will either win the title or be very close within the next 3 seasons and the CL before that. Milner by joining them will play his best years at the very top of the game - where will we be at the same time? Still hoping to break into the top 4?
Although the wages are a big incentive to jump ship also, playing at the very top is what drives any player worth their salt. Why shouldn't he go?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on June 16, 2010, 11:31:41 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Its not that they have a bigger ambition its just that they have the ability to achieve it quicker than us with their money. Man City will either win the title or be very close within the next 3 seasons and the CL before that. Milner by joining them will play his best years at the very top of the game - where will we be at the same time? Still hoping to break into the top 4?
Although the wages are a big incentive to jump ship also, playing at the very top is what drives any player worth their salt. Why shouldn't he go?
Is he guaranteed a game for Man City? They already have shitloads of midfielders, and if it doesn't work out for him he'll quickly be replaced by someone else in the next transfer window. I'm sure he would trouser lots of money in the process, but that's not really the be all and end all if you end up winning nothing. They should have challenged for the title last season, and yet managed to royally bugger up getting into the Champions League which should have been a minimum requirement considering the money that was spent and the players that they had.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 17, 2010, 08:09:30 AM
In any other situation, with almost any other manager, i'd say sell and re-invest in other players.
As it's Martin 'UKIP' O'neill, i'd rather we hung onto him.
I appreciate we have a sell to buy policy, but the thought of the dross that could come in disturbs me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 17, 2010, 08:30:04 AM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
In any other situation, with almost any other manager, i'd say sell and re-invest in other players.
As it's Martin 'UKIP' O'neill, i'd rather we hung onto him.
I appreciate we have a sell to buy policy, but the thought of the dross that could come in disturbs me.
Doesn't the fact that the only reason we'll have the money (if he goes) is because a player MON signed is likely to fetch 2.5 times what we paid for him render that argument ridiculous?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 17, 2010, 08:40:20 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
In any other situation, with almost any other manager, i'd say sell and re-invest in other players.
As it's Martin 'UKIP' O'neill, i'd rather we hung onto him.
I appreciate we have a sell to buy policy, but the thought of the dross that could come in disturbs me.
Doesn't the fact that the only reason we'll have the money (if he goes) is because a player MON signed is likely to fetch 2.5 times what we paid for him render that argument ridiculous?
A result with Milner, Chris. But aren't you forgetting the 'Transfer list six' and the massive amount of money and wages we spent on them? Will we get 2.5 what we paid for them? I was also making a point about his reluctance to sign overseas players, which means we could then be shelling out £10m + on the likes of the ghastly Cole, Keane or Doyle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 17, 2010, 08:54:08 AM
This "sell to buy" thing the gutter press keep harping on about doesn't mean we need the money from sales before we can make any purchases. It just means some players have to go to make way for new ones coming in. That will be the same for almost all clubs as Randy confirmed when he said everybody will have the same policy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 17, 2010, 08:54:23 AM
I agree with Mark Fletcher.
I love Milner and I'd prefer we keep him at Villa Park. However, he's not Villa at heart. At the end of the day if he gets given a bigger pay packet he'll happily leave for Man City. And for £28m I think O'Neill would be silly to keep him, especially as he's only really worth £18m at best (my opinion).
Also, the thing about "UKIP O'Neill" is also a valid point. I love Martin O'Neill, and he's by far the best manager we've had for a while, but surely it's time to look oversea's for new players. We've got enough British players now to still have the highest number, but foreign players tend to have something ... well ... 'classier' about them.
And let's face it, we can get a lot of 'classy' players for £28m + FxPro sponorship money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 17, 2010, 08:57:35 AM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
In any other situation, with almost any other manager, i'd say sell and re-invest in other players.
As it's Martin 'UKIP' O'neill, i'd rather we hung onto him.
I appreciate we have a sell to buy policy, but the thought of the dross that could come in disturbs me.
Doesn't the fact that the only reason we'll have the money (if he goes) is because a player MON signed is likely to fetch 2.5 times what we paid for him render that argument ridiculous?
A result with Milner, Chris. But aren't you forgetting the 'Transfer list six' and the massive amount of money and wages we spent on them? Will we get 2.5 what we paid for them? I was also making a point about his reluctance to sign overseas players, which means we could then be shelling out £10m + on the likes of the ghastly Cole, Keane or Doyle.
There is always going to be a turnover of players, if we want to sign new players a few others will have to leave it's the same at all clubs and most of those leaving will be because they haven't been able to establish themselves as regulars but all will have been paid high wages while they've been there. It's how football works.
It's an easy game to point at Sidwell and say that's what you get with MON but that ignores Friedel, Dunne, Collins, Cuellar, Warnock, Milner etc. Where a player comes from is irrelevant it's whether they're the right player that matters but on the evidence of the WC so far there aren't an abundance of players in our range who would fit into that category.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 17, 2010, 10:12:36 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
This "sell to buy" thing the gutter press keep harping on about doesn't mean we need the money from sales before we can make any purchases. It just means some players have to go to make way for new ones coming in. That will be the same for almost all clubs as Randy confirmed when he said everybody will have the same policy.
You just denied sell to buy policy and then gave a textbook definition of it.
When people refer to sell to buy, that's generally exactly what they mean.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on June 17, 2010, 10:26:11 AM
I read sell to buy and take it to mean that we (or whichever club being discussed) cannot buy a single player until we sell a player. I don't think that's the case with us - we'll have a transfer budget even if no-one leaves this summer. But we do have a handful of players who clearly don't feature in the manager's plans and if he wants to make several signings, then it's natural some current ones need to be moved on. Which happens at every club, every close season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 17, 2010, 10:35:45 AM
Quote from: "Merv"
I read sell to buy and take it to mean that we (or whichever club being discussed) cannot buy a single player until we sell a player. I don't think that's the case with us - we'll have a transfer budget even if no-one leaves this summer. But we do have a handful of players who clearly don't feature in the manager's plans and if he wants to make several signings, then it's natural some current ones need to be moved on. Which happens at every club, every close season.
If we need to sell a player in order to balance out a purchase then it's still sell to buy. It doesn't matter if we sell before we buy or after we buy, that's where the money will be coming from.
In the past, money has come from low-interest loans supplied by Randy Lerner. The implication now is that the money will come from whatever is already in the bank and will be replaced directly by the money raised from sales.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 17, 2010, 10:41:01 AM
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
This "sell to buy" thing the gutter press keep harping on about doesn't mean we need the money from sales before we can make any purchases. It just means some players have to go to make way for new ones coming in. That will be the same for almost all clubs as Randy confirmed when he said everybody will have the same policy.
You just denied sell to buy policy and then gave a textbook definition of it.
I would consider sell to buy to mean that you need the money from sales to make purchases, so no, I would disagree with you there. Certainly that's the way the press are angling it.
They're saying we need money from sales to buy. I say we do not, but getting rid of players we dont need or who havent performed and who are taking up resources and squad places is good practice. That is also what I believe Randy Lerner was saying.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 17, 2010, 10:52:28 AM
ASTON VILLA will not offer James Milner a new £70,000-a-week contract until after the World Cup.
And that keeps alive Manchester City's hopes of signing the England midfielder this summer.
It was thought that Milner went to South Africa with a deal on the table - and both parties deadlocked over an agreement.
But Milner has still to be formally offered fresh terms.
The £30million-rated player is due for more talks with boss Martin O'Neill and the Villa board when he returns home, with figures yet to be discussed. O'Neill promised Milner a new contract in March even though his current deal has two years to run.
City tried to nab the former Newcastle player with a £20m offer last month.
But that was swiftly rejected by Villa who are bracing themselves for a second approach.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 17, 2010, 11:11:55 AM
Bracing themselves. Anyone else picturing MoN, Randy and the General all sitting around the fax machine, gripping their seats so hard that their fingers bleed?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 17, 2010, 11:16:04 AM
...and they all start shaking when they hear the machine start warming up.
Squeeky-bum-time!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 17, 2010, 11:19:32 AM
Man City dont send faxes. Garry "Bell end" Cook appears in a cloud of pure gaseous evil and tries to tempt you. If you refuse him you will called a bottler.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 17, 2010, 11:23:58 AM
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Quote from: "Merv"
I read sell to buy and take it to mean that we (or whichever club being discussed) cannot buy a single player until we sell a player. I don't think that's the case with us - we'll have a transfer budget even if no-one leaves this summer. But we do have a handful of players who clearly don't feature in the manager's plans and if he wants to make several signings, then it's natural some current ones need to be moved on. Which happens at every club, every close season.
If we need to sell a player in order to balance out a purchase then it's still sell to buy. It doesn't matter if we sell before we buy or after we buy, that's where the money will be coming from.
In the past, money has come from low-interest loans supplied by Randy Lerner. The implication now is that the money will come from whatever is already in the bank and will be replaced directly by the money raised from sales.
Doesn't every club do that?
If they didn't then they would either be letting player contracts run out (commercial suicide) or would have an enormous squad on their hands with lots of aging players (commercial suicide).
All squads evolve and it makes sense for any club regardless of how rich they are to move players on and bring in new, hopefully better players. We have identified existing squad players that are not going to improve us who are no longer in our plans any further so they will make way for better players.
That is not the same as sell to buy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 17, 2010, 12:26:54 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Man City dont send faxes. Garry "Bell end" Cook appears in a cloud of pure gaseous evil and tries to tempt you. If you refuse him you will called a bottler.
"Come to City else thou shalt pummel yee with pound coins!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 17, 2010, 12:44:53 PM
Quote from: "phantom limb"
Quote from: "peter w"
Its not that they have a bigger ambition its just that they have the ability to achieve it quicker than us with their money. Man City will either win the title or be very close within the next 3 seasons and the CL before that. Milner by joining them will play his best years at the very top of the game - where will we be at the same time? Still hoping to break into the top 4?
Although the wages are a big incentive to jump ship also, playing at the very top is what drives any player worth their salt. Why shouldn't he go?
Is he guaranteed a game for Man City? They already have shitloads of midfielders, and if it doesn't work out for him he'll quickly be replaced by someone else in the next transfer window. I'm sure he would trouser lots of money in the process, but that's not really the be all and end all if you end up winning nothing. They should have challenged for the title last season, and yet managed to royally bugger up getting into the Champions League which should have been a minimum requirement considering the money that was spent and the players that they had.
He'll be told exactly what the managers plans are for him before he makes up his mind whether to go or not. He's unlikely to be told the shirt is yours come what may, but likely that it will be his, he will have to fight for it to keep it, and then here about the manager's plans for Man City and the future. Its bound to be a lot more exciting than what we will be offering. And, yes, richer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 17, 2010, 01:16:33 PM
Mon was on tv in January saying we had to sell to buy players but I'm not sure if there's a new budget availaBle this summer, if we have £10m to spend plus raise £15m and sell milner on top that could be £50m plus at his disposal which could strenghten well if spent wisely!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 17, 2010, 02:36:55 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Mon was on tv in January saying we had to sell to buy players but I'm not sure if there's a new budget availaBle this summer, if we have £10m to spend plus raise £15m and sell milner on top that could be £50m plus at his disposal which could strenghten well if spent wisely!
Taking your numbers as right, that would still be £25m WITHOUT selling Milner, which if used right could also see us strengthen well!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 17, 2010, 02:50:49 PM
MON spent £25m on Davies, Shorey, Sidwell and NRC.
I don't trust him to strengthen us too much.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 17, 2010, 02:54:31 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
MON spent £25m on Davies, Shorey, Sidwell and NRC.
I don't trust him to strengthen us too much.
He also spent £25m on Milner A Young and Dunne.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 17, 2010, 03:01:13 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
MON spent £25m on Davies, Shorey, Sidwell and NRC.
I don't trust him to strengthen us too much.
He also spent £25m on Milner A Young and Dunne.
Who are now worth circa £60m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 17, 2010, 04:00:52 PM
I'm not all convinced we need to sell to raise funds to buy. admittedly, we need to get rid of what might be deemed dead wood (still think there's a player or two amongst the six IMO) but that is necessary.
We probably will buy as we usually do with one player in the £10-15million bracket and a couple of solid pros from the sub £8million bracket as before. I think that will happen regardless of the Milner money and the money from shipping out the 'dead wood' will contribute.
I don't think this is the first summer Martin has said there isn't that much money and every summer we have made healthy investment. It is kidology. If we are perceived to have lots of money it will put millions on the price of any target. It could be the difference between paying £10million and £15million on Robbie Keane or Carlton Cole ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 17, 2010, 06:06:16 PM
MON has had some good buys, but more shit ones IMO.
I really hope he is a bit more adventurous this window. Couldn't bare to sign dross like Carlton Cole, Bobby Zamora and Steven Taylor. Which are the type of signings I'm expecting.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 18, 2010, 10:38:20 AM
Man city bought another midfielder then. Yeah I know hes defensive but still another fooker...
Yaya Toure to Manchester City could be concluded as soon as today with the player’s agent claiming that agreement
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 18, 2010, 11:10:33 AM
Maybe City are going with the old 1-8-1 formation as Im sure was first seen on the Mike Bassetts England Manager documentary
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 18, 2010, 11:38:20 AM
Yaya Toure and De Jong will be a really difficult midfield to break through.
With Adam Johnson and another winger they could be right up there next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 18, 2010, 11:44:07 AM
Yaya Toure is a fine player but if we keep Milner and get Ireland from them I wont be too unhappy. Quite the opposite.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on June 18, 2010, 11:47:53 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Yaya Toure and De Jong will be a really difficult midfield to break through.
With Adam Johnson and another winger they could be right up there next season.
Hardly has me quivering in my boots I have to say...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 18, 2010, 02:27:56 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Yaya Toure and De Jong will be a really difficult midfield to break through.
With Adam Johnson and another winger they could be right up there next season.
I wouldn't like to be Gareth Barry right now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 18, 2010, 02:29:02 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Yaya Toure and De Jong will be a really difficult midfield to break through.
With Adam Johnson and another winger they could be right up there next season.
Hardly has me quivering in my boots I have to say...
More legs and engine than Milner and Petrov.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 18, 2010, 02:32:03 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Yaya Toure and De Jong will be a really difficult midfield to break through.
With Adam Johnson and another winger they could be right up there next season.
Hardly has me quivering in my boots I have to say...
More legs and engine than Milner and Petrov.
Yeah - all our players are shit!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2010, 02:34:42 PM
If Barry wants to keep his england place he will probably have to leave city as I can't see him getting a regular start next season-I know I'm in the minority but i'd take him back , plus Ireland plus £15m for milner!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on June 18, 2010, 03:12:32 PM
So we'd end up with a midfield combo of Barry and Ireland next season? A kind of 'the partnership City never wanted' set-up?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2010, 03:36:31 PM
Barry , Ireland and petrov would all be available, if we had the money city have then obviously that wouldn't be our midfield either but sadly we don't have a bottomless pit!
Ireland is a class player who a year ago would probably have commanded a bigger fee than milner.
We need the options of sometimes playing 2 wide men and sometimes going with 3 in the middle and if milner goes I'd like to see 2 new midfielders in and a striker as our main priority this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 18, 2010, 03:41:21 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If Barry wants to keep his england place he will probably have to leave city as I can't see him getting a regular start next season-I know I'm in the minority but i'd take him back , plus Ireland plus £15m for milner!
I can't see them selling Barry but even if they do there are very few clubs who could afford the wages he's now on and we're definitely not amongst them.
Which is great as far as I'm concerned because I don't want the fat bullshitter back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 18, 2010, 03:46:13 PM
I think if Barry wants regular football he will find it hard getting it at man city, mAncini didn't sign him and if Barry does leave he would probably have to take a big drop in wages wherever he went.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 18, 2010, 03:53:53 PM
We won't re-sign him. He won't come back; MoN won't take him back.
He also won't be getting much game time at Money City and will look to move. I can't see where he could go if I'm honest. Wage drop or not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 18, 2010, 03:56:48 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
We won't re-sign him. He won't come back; MoN won't take him back.
He also won't be getting much game time at Money City and will look to move. I can't see where he could go if I'm honest. Wage drop or not.
Liverpool?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 18, 2010, 03:57:36 PM
I think Barry always wanted first team football, and the huge money was a draw. Hughes told him his plan and showed that Barry would be a major part of it. I think he would rather take a cut in wages and keep playing than stay on a higher wage and miss games. I could be wrong, but when money gets that high, and the tax man takes half anyway, I doubt he notices. He wants to play for england, and play games. And if City dont get him that, but someone else does, be it us even (I think he would play for MON without issue) I could see him moving.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on June 18, 2010, 03:59:12 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
We won't re-sign him. He won't come back; MoN won't take him back.
He also won't be getting much game time at Money City and will look to move. I can't see where he could go if I'm honest. Wage drop or not.
Liverpool?
Spurs?
He reckons he's a Spurs fan, not that I believe a word that fat, lying, grasping moneybox says.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 18, 2010, 04:06:31 PM
Quote from: "Chico Hamilton III"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
We won't re-sign him. He won't come back; MoN won't take him back.
He also won't be getting much game time at Money City and will look to move. I can't see where he could go if I'm honest. Wage drop or not.
Liverpool?
Spurs?
He reckons he's a Spurs fan, not that I believe a word that fat, lying, grasping moneybox says.
Probably the two most viable options for him. But Liverpool have no money unless they sell Torres or Mascherano or Gerrard.
Spurs is probably the more likely option but Huddlestone had a very good season so he might not dislodge him. I'd say it's Spurs if anywhere.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 18, 2010, 04:09:14 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Yaya Toure and De Jong will be a really difficult midfield to break through.
With Adam Johnson and another winger they could be right up there next season.
Hardly has me quivering in my boots I have to say...
More legs and engine than Milner and Petrov.
Exactly the same amount of legs and NOBODY has the engine of James Milner. Nobody.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 18, 2010, 10:19:01 PM
Barry to sign for Spurzz probbaly...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on June 18, 2010, 10:28:37 PM
And Milners price has risen again for NOT playing a part in the match tonight.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 18, 2010, 10:35:55 PM
Quote from: "Somniloquism"
And Milners price has risen again for NOT playing a part in the match tonight.
I think everyones value went down tonight
Gerrard signs for Hinckley Utd £1.95
Lampard signs for Tamworth 76p
heskey signs for Stoke £3.89
Ashley cole signs for Nuneaton £1,83
Rooney signs for Accrington Stanley 14p
John Terry signs for Dagenham and Redbridge 78p
Aron Lennon swop for Carbone from Villa masters 5 - a -side
glen Johnson signs for Blackpool £2.35
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Grande Pablo on June 18, 2010, 10:55:39 PM
But if Crapello shakes things up Milner could well start against Slovakia - a win would see his value increase.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 19, 2010, 03:53:41 AM
I don't see how he CAN'T get a start. Barry aside, that team against Algeria was utter utter gash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt Collins on June 19, 2010, 06:47:54 AM
I doubt he'll start, we're crying out for Joe Cole rather than Milner I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 19, 2010, 02:55:41 PM
Quote from: "Matt Collins"
I doubt he'll start, we're crying out for Joe Cole rather than Milner I think.
Agree.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 19, 2010, 03:24:57 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Matt Collins"
I doubt he'll start, we're crying out for Joe Cole rather than Milner I think.
Agree.
Yup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on June 19, 2010, 04:41:31 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Matt Collins"
I doubt he'll start, we're crying out for Joe Cole rather than Milner I think.
Agree.
Yup.
I agree as well!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 19, 2010, 04:46:52 PM
I'd play them both.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Gareth on June 19, 2010, 04:49:53 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I'd play them both.
me too...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 19, 2010, 04:50:39 PM
So would I.
I do find it strange how Joe Cole's suddenly become the answer to all our prayers though. When did he become this footballing god ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 19, 2010, 04:51:57 PM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
So would I.
I do find it strange how Joe Cole's suddenly become the answer to all our prayers though. When did he become this footballing god ?
He's not all that, I agree. What he does have is a kind of talent and flair that other English players lack.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 19, 2010, 09:13:24 PM
Joe Cole has a point to prove now. Now he's a free agent he wants to play out his skin to get the bigger clubs interested and thus get a bigger wage.
However, I wasn't impressed with Lennon last night, nor Gerrard on the left.
Personally, I think the mid-field should be LM: Milner. RM: Joe Cole. CM: Gerrard and Lampard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: davevillan on June 19, 2010, 10:14:32 PM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
I don't see how he CAN'T get a start. Barry aside, that team against Algeria was utter utter gash.
It wasnt that good Troy!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 19, 2010, 11:28:19 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
CM: Gerrard and Lampard.
Presumably with Barry in between them?
Otherwise we might as well not bother playing a central midfield at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on June 20, 2010, 01:33:05 PM
Unless England get a win against Slovenia I can see a lot of players, Milner included, returning to the PL and having a very poor start to the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 20, 2010, 04:18:14 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "mshurst"
CM: Gerrard and Lampard.
Presumably with Barry in between them?
Otherwise we might as well not bother playing a central midfield at all.
I think the Lampard/Gerrard combination worked well against the USA. However, I've always thought that 4-4-1-1 would be a good combination with England, and in that case have Barry and Lampard in the centre, Milner on the left with Joe Cole on the right, and Gerrard playing attacking-midfield behind Rooney. That way Gerrard gets the run of the pitch, which is what he needs to be as good as he can be.
IMO.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 20, 2010, 06:07:43 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
I think the Lampard/Gerrard combination worked well against the USA.
Where's that eyes rolling thingy quick !!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on June 20, 2010, 09:27:28 PM
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 20, 2010, 11:14:59 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Brilliant.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 21, 2010, 08:58:32 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Did you not perhaps think Milner was "off pace and a disaster" due to his missing 3 days of training due to illness?
Why Capello chose him after that reason I'll never know.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 21, 2010, 09:19:32 AM
mshurst, can I introduce you to our troll, Ms.Everall.
Best left to wallow in her own insanity.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 21, 2010, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
You could substitute the first word of this for 'Rooney' and it would still be true. But nobody is suggesting he should be dropped.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 21, 2010, 12:06:37 PM
I suggest he is dropped. From a window on the 35th floor. Start Crouch and Defoe, play Cole Lampard Gerrard and Barry, then Dawson for Carratwat and Hart for James. Bloody hell, Young must be fucked off with not getting picked over Lennon or SShitePhilips. At least he knows the right region to be crossing the ball.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2010, 12:23:53 PM
Like I know there's a hole in my arse I know Ashley Young is a better player than Lennon and SWP combined.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 21, 2010, 12:41:45 PM
Mazrim, I wish to god you had picked that squad. Even for that one selection. Walcott, SWP and Lennon are all the same player, fast, tricky and useless for 88 minutes of the game
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on June 21, 2010, 12:43:56 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
I suggest he is dropped. From a window on the 35th floor. Start Crouch and Defoe, play Cole Lampard Gerrard and Barry, then Dawson for Carratwat and Hart for James. Bloody hell, Young must be fucked off with not getting picked over Lennon or SShitePhilips. At least he knows the right region to be crossing the ball.
Five feet above the heads of our strikers and curling beyond the back post or straight to the keeper you mean?! In his defence I can perfectly understand why Capello has reservations about A Young at internatinoal level at the moment. that could change should Ashley rediscover his true crossin ability which was not much on show last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 21, 2010, 12:50:06 PM
Mr Diggles. To get the ball five feet above our players means he at least got it past the first man, something that seems beyond the dazzling skills of SWP and Lennon. Young had a poor start last season in his high standards he had set, and continually improved right through until he was arguably our most influential player at the end. Thats why, for me he would have been on the plane. Plus we know he can whip that ball in as well as anyone when he is on form, and if it is 5 feet too high, that should be perfect for Crouch's diving headers
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2010, 12:54:35 PM
Quote from: "Mr Diggles"
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
I suggest he is dropped. From a window on the 35th floor. Start Crouch and Defoe, play Cole Lampard Gerrard and Barry, then Dawson for Carratwat and Hart for James. Bloody hell, Young must be fucked off with not getting picked over Lennon or SShitePhilips. At least he knows the right region to be crossing the ball.
Five feet above the heads of our strikers and curling beyond the back post or straight to the keeper you mean?! In his defence I can perfectly understand why Capello has reservations about A Young at internatinoal level at the moment. that could change should Ashley rediscover his true crossin ability which was not much on show last season.
Its hardly as if the players who went to the WC instread of him are pinpoint crossers is it? Ash had an inconsistent season in terms of crossing (he has otherwise been excellent in this regard) but he still creates plenty of goals and those other players arent fit to lace his boots.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 21, 2010, 12:58:45 PM
Trying to be unbiased, I think that Lennon had a better season than Young, and deserves his place in the side ahead of the other out and out wingers. SWP though, is a headless chicken, and Young is a much better player. Even though Young was disappointing by his own high standards, he still set up the majority of our goals, and should have been ahead of SWP in the pecking order. He'd also have suited Capello's style of play a bit more, as England appear to have become the Aston Villa of the international stage. Young could have crossed in balls for Heskey to not score from as easily as he does for Villa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 21, 2010, 01:05:15 PM
I dont see how Lennon had a better season than Young when he missed half of it. I agree that both should be in the squad though.
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Post by: Mr Diggles on June 21, 2010, 01:15:07 PM
I agre on SWP - when his place in the City team is taken by Johnson who was only bought in January and still goes to the World Cup you've got to ask questions. Ashley is a good player, I just feel his levels dipped this season a bit, and whilst he did create the majority of our chances this season he gave the ball away a little too much to be considered for the England 23 I feel.
In an ideal world, with them all fit and in form, I would have chosen from J Cole, Johnson, Walcott, Lennon and Young for the wide options with Milner as back up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 21, 2010, 01:35:25 PM
Ashley's form dipped a bit. But his stats from last season still show how absolutely vital he is to our side
The most important in fact, and you could offer me Lennon AND Wright Phillips in exchange for him and i'd still have to slap your face with a glove
He's twice the player either of those are and is going to get even better
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 21, 2010, 01:46:45 PM
I think Lennon was a good choice - for what he played last season he did extremely well and showed consistancy.
Young, even though he is clearly better than SWP, didn't show much consistancy. 1 week he'll play out of his skin and show how incredible he can be, the next he'll be losing the ball and running it out of touch.
BUT, as everyone else has said, he is a much better player than SWP. Capello amazed me with that decision.
Diggles, with them all fit and in form I would have chosen the same. Especially Walcott. Walcott is fantastic when he plays well, much like Young, in fact.
Oh, and Troy, thanks for the heads-up :-)
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Post by: Concrete John on June 21, 2010, 01:50:13 PM
The one thing about our Ash is that when he did get into the England side he didn't play well. Up until this World Cup, Lennon was looking good when chosen has done more with his England chances than Ash has.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on June 21, 2010, 02:34:38 PM
A Young and J Cole should be the two starters out wide imo, both comfortable on either side, can cut in either way, so the full backs can overlap, or go to the by line. Gerrard, Rooney, Milner and SWP all have played left mid so far, yet none play there for their clubs. Young, Cole, Johnson and Downing are all better in that position than the 4 above imo.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 21, 2010, 02:59:54 PM
Pedro. Your post is right. Frustratingly Fabio Capelo said he would pick players to play in their club positions, wouldnt select any injured players and would pick players on form. Three strikes....Thats more than BA cabin staff
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 21, 2010, 04:04:42 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
Pedro. Your post is right. Frustratingly Fabio Capelo said he would pick players to play in their club positions, wouldnt select any injured players and would pick players on form. Three strikes....Thats more than BA cabin staff
Snap!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 21, 2010, 05:04:35 PM
So, do we think the poor performance of England and the playing of Milner when not on form will mean we no longer receive big bids for him or not, and are we happy or not? I liked the promise of huge money, but I prefer having Milner. Bird in the hand worth two up the bush and all that...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on June 21, 2010, 05:10:32 PM
Hopefully attention will be turned elsewhere and James will stay. With the sponsor money and sales of fringe players together with the original transfer kitty which must be a few mill anyway we should be able to buy a class player anyhow. I would prefer another class creative centre mid and play him with Milner pushed up towards Gab. Alternatively we buy a deep lying link striker to partner with Gab, either way I think one class signing could make a big difference.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 21, 2010, 05:54:24 PM
I can understand why there might have been question marks over Ash last season re England selection.
Not just based on his club form (which was up and down, possibly his worst since his breakthrough year with us), but a feature of his overall England performances to date are how often he surrenders possession. That would be anathema to most international bosses.
All well and good.
But when you have numbnuts like Lennon and S Wrong fcuking Phillips getting in ahead of you, that argument goes out the window.
In defence of Lennon, I don't think he's ever been picked either for Tottenham or England due to his crossing ability. Which has always been gash. He's a game changer, capable of going on a surging run and opening up gaps in the oppositions back line. SWP is supposed to be similar, I think. But spends half his time running down blind alleys. For club (except against us of course) and country.
Joe Cole should start for England on the left, as he's generally looked quite effective when selected there by England over the years. Not a natural left winger by any means, more a midfielder starting wide with licence to drift infield to cause problems. Our Ash should be first change, if a more direct approach is required, or if the opposition fullback looks particularly vulnerable to pace. The radar can be iffy regarding crosses on occasion, we know that. But you can guarantee he'll get it right at least 2/3 times (minimum) in any match. Then it's down to the forwards to convert.
I'd probably also argue that part of the reason for his dip in form last year was his frustration regarding England selection. The feeling that he'd have to do something out of the ordinary to even get noticed, when players in his position elsewhere in the country seemingly didn't have the same pressure to contend with.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 21, 2010, 06:29:56 PM
SWP going ahead of Ash is laughable.
Lennon is worthy of his place though IMO, and I'd say he's better on the right than Ash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 21, 2010, 09:40:04 PM
Capello simply dosen't rate Young, he feels he loses the ball too often going on mazy runs as he prefers possession based wingers.
Which all flys in the face of his sudden obsession with SWP now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 21, 2010, 11:31:32 PM
I was thinking the same myself watching the Algeria match.
If possession is so important I can think of about 11 players who shouldn't be in the England side. And I mean how does it affect holding possession if a cross hits the first man rather than your striker's head?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on June 21, 2010, 11:46:21 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
Pedro. Your post is right. Frustratingly Fabio Capelo said he would pick players to play in their club positions, wouldnt select any injured players and would pick players on form. Three strikes....Thats more than BA cabin staff
er he did mention Downing
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 22, 2010, 07:52:40 AM
The problem for ash is that each time he's been given a chance in the England team he has looked poor and out of his depth-if he'd performed in those chances as he can do I'm sure he would have made the squad.
Next season is a big one for both ash and gabby if they wish to push on with England.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 22, 2010, 09:21:32 AM
Quote from: "east19"
The problem for ash is that each time he's been given a chance in the England team he has looked poor and out of his depth-if he'd performed in those chances as he can do I'm sure he would have made the squad.
Next season is a big one for both ash and gabby if they wish to push on with England.
I agree with that and posted something similar, but it also has to be said that other players do seem to have had more chances that Ash has and not done all that much more than him with them. Maybe his downfall is one of timing in that his club form has been inconsistent the season before the World Cup?
Agree about next year. Should England fail in this WC, and even if they get through the group one more bad performance and the exit will still be a failiure in most people's eyes, then it will be a 'new broom' philosophy and everyone will have a chance to stake a claim.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on June 22, 2010, 09:34:14 AM
Shouldn't we just move this thread to the World Cup forum?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 22, 2010, 09:35:19 AM
Ash's time will come. He's barely had a sniff so far and after this world cup (based on the two games so far) SWP and Lennon should both be retired
That said. Anyone over 28 should be too. If we're to build towards the next euro championships and the 2014 world cup we should be doing it with a whole new side who can gel together for that whole build up
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on June 22, 2010, 09:45:42 AM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
Ash's time will come. He's barely had a sniff so far and after this world cup (based on the two games so far) SWP and Lennon should both be retired
That said. Anyone over 28 should be too. If we're to build towards the next euro championships and the 2014 world cup we should be doing it with a whole new side who can gel together for that whole build up
Problem is we're pretty much straight into qualifying for the Euros after the World Cup so while I agree there has to be some new blood you can't throw away the baby with the bathwater.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 22, 2010, 09:58:16 AM
It needs to be a gradual process. England have a number of players at or approaching 30, and these are some of the first names on the team sheet - Gerrard, Lampard, Ferdinand, Ashley Cole, Terry and James or Beckham won't make another tournament either. The manager needs to pick about half of these in the first post WC game to allow for new blood and phase in a transition.
The future side they should be thinking about is something like:- Hart Johnson-Dawson-the Bolton Defender-Baines Lennon-Huddlestone-Milner-Young Gabby-Rooney
I may be biased with the Villa players, but I think you can see the point I'm trying to make!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on June 22, 2010, 10:05:46 AM
I think Rodwell will become a very important player for England in the coming years, he looks incredibly assured on the ball. I think him and Milner would be a perfect balance in the midfield. We lack balance and try to shoehorn in the star turns somewhere into the 11. I notice Spain last night were quite happy to leave Iniesta and Silva out completely and only let Fabregas have a fleeting sub appearance as Busquets and Navas, although not such star names, gave a far better balance to the side.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on June 22, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
Quote from: "pedro25"
We lack balance and try to shoehorn in the star turns somewhere into the 11.
Yes. I was hoping Capello would be the exception here, but it seems he's fallen into the same trap as his predecessors (Keegan, SGE, SMcClaren especially).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 22, 2010, 12:35:34 PM
Just out of interest, here's the players over 30 already
James (39) Green (30) Upson (31) Carragher (32) Gerrard (30) Lampard (32) Heskey (32)
and these will be by 2012 when the next Euro Championships come around
A Cole Terry Warnock King J Cole Barry Crouch
and Wright Phillips / Carrick very close
Thats a HUGE ammount of golden (well not so golden) oldies to be pinning future hopes on. I really think after this World Cup (which lets face it we could still technically go on and win) its time for a clean sweep and new start
Its not like we've had any success as a reason to hang onto (even if we hope) any of them. They've all had a decent run, and like Beckham before they have not contributed in getting us anywhere as a national side
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on June 23, 2010, 05:10:38 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Mrs Overall strikes again.
Nice one Malcy, let's have another one!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Captain Trips on June 23, 2010, 05:51:57 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Mrs Overall strikes again.
Nice one Malcy, let's have another one!
and close to MOTM in this one. He'd trained for 1 hour in 4 days prior to the USA game. That's the reason he was lacklustre.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: OldUser on June 23, 2010, 08:29:53 PM
Baffles me why anyone takes Mrs Overall seriously in the first place.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2010, 10:40:25 PM
Quote from: "IanB"
Baffles me why anyone takes Mrs Overall seriously in the first place.
Especially himself. He is an absolute fucking clown. I especially like his use of the word 'idiocy' in the above post referring, amazingly, to other posters!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 23, 2010, 10:45:05 PM
Quote from: "Captain Trips"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Mrs Overall strikes again.
Nice one Malcy, let's have another one!
close to MOTM in this one. He'd trained for 1 hour in 4 days prior to the USA game. That's the reason he was lacklustre.
It wasn't even close. He was, by some distance, the best player on the pitch. Proof, as if it were needed, that Malcolm Overall knows very little about football or footballers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 23, 2010, 10:53:37 PM
Ian, when you're at the zoo and the monkey goes a bit mental or starts wanking-off or playing with it's own arse, people will look, stare and laugh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 23, 2010, 11:00:26 PM
Especially when the monkey starts calling those watching primitive before going back to drinking his own piss.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 23, 2010, 11:12:48 PM
Slightly off topic, when was the last time anybody went to a zoo?
It must have been 20 years ago for me, I don't see myself ever going to one again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on June 23, 2010, 11:23:16 PM
Last year, Berlin. And indeed, it will be this year, to the other one in Berlin. Long way to go, but they have good Zoos I believe!
And I must add, they are keen on keeping Gibbon numbers to a minimum in the German Zoo world, which enhances any visit to their zoos.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 23, 2010, 11:26:47 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Slightly off topic, when was the last time anybody went to a zoo?
It must have been 20 years ago for me, I don't see myself ever going to one again.
Not so long ago but then again there are a lot of youngsters in my family. We gave the sfx412 enclosure a miss though. The guide brochure said it was shit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 23, 2010, 11:30:21 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Slightly off topic, when was the last time anybody went to a zoo?
It must have been 20 years ago for me, I don't see myself ever going to one again.
I've not been for ages. It was never the same for me once they bought in the all-cheetah zoos.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 23, 2010, 11:30:31 PM
I've heard that Berlin is supposed to be a good zoo. Come to think of it, I did go to one in France about 15years ago in a town call La Fleche which was different and good. No cages but big moats around the animals which were full of carp. I think the Dudley one has scarred me for life.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olof's Beard on June 24, 2010, 01:12:57 AM
I did something of a zoo tour (or "zoo-ur" if you will) a few years back and can confirm that Berlin's ticks all the boxes with its fat panda, angry rhino, beautiful settings and, of course, a wonderful gaggle of gibbons.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on June 24, 2010, 01:43:04 AM
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
I did something of a zoo tour (or "zoo-ur" if you will) a few years back and can confirm that Berlin's ticks all the boxes with its fat panda, angry rhino, beautiful settings and, of course, a wonderful gaggle of gibbons.
I feel I must defend the rhino here OB, he only became angry due to the persistant ringing of a mobile phone, he never struck me as an angry beast by nature.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Vancouver on June 24, 2010, 03:49:00 AM
We had a zoo in bognor regis once. Though It only had one dog. It was a shitzu
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on June 24, 2010, 04:40:28 AM
A zoo can generally be measured by the velocity, distance, accuracy and venom with which the incumbent chimpanzees throw their own excrement at humans. For this, the Bronx Zoo, New York, is excellent (very angry baboons, too - although the evolution of the baboon hasn't reached the cack-chucking stage yet). But one of the best for sheer shit-hurling 'joie de vivre' is - surprisingly - Drayton Manor. Them chimps sure like to bung their turds at cagouled day-trippers in the drizzle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on June 24, 2010, 06:34:06 AM
I took my son to Drayton manor last year. A Monkey cracked one off leaving himself in a right sticky state. Dirty old bugger.
That you see, is the issue with all these gibbons and monkey type things, they have no grace, just make a lot of nice and hop about a bit.
Quite like the red panda in these places.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 24, 2010, 08:07:50 AM
I went to Dudley Zoo last year.
Very disappointing, no dancing bears with tutus or elephants being beaten with metal bars.
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 24, 2010, 08:26:46 AM
Has Dudley Zoo still got that chairlift? It must have earned deathtrap status by now surely, it's older than Clive Dunn.
I always thought that was very snazzy as a kid, like something out of a glamourous alpine setting in a Bond film, and then you realise you're still in Dudley.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 24, 2010, 08:31:17 AM
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Has Dudley Zoo still got that chairlift? It must have earned deathtrap status by now surely, it's older than Clive Dunn.
I always thought that was very snazzy as a kid, like something out of a glamourous alpine setting in a Bond film, and then you realise you're still in Dudley.
No chair lift.
The whole place is shit and depressing in the extreme.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on June 24, 2010, 08:31:43 AM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Mrs Overall strikes again.
Nice one Malcy, let's have another one!
on last night's showing his price just went through the roof and deservedly so, superb performance. Overjoyed to see Capello keep faith with him, pleased to be proved right again. where are those smart arses who ridiculed my view He was a Capello favourite and would possibly start the World Cup. No doubt cuddling up with the Gareth Barry haters. Talk about noise and no content.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 24, 2010, 08:36:33 AM
What are we saying then? A troll with more skill than we give him credit for or mentally ill?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 24, 2010, 08:39:00 AM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
Has Dudley Zoo still got that chairlift? It must have earned deathtrap status by now surely, it's older than Clive Dunn.
I always thought that was very snazzy as a kid, like something out of a glamourous alpine setting in a Bond film, and then you realise you're still in Dudley.
No chair lift.
The whole place is shit and depressing in the extreme.
Well, quite right too. In every other Zoo the primates have to climb the trees. Why should Dudley's get a chair lift?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2010, 08:45:31 AM
Zoo related chat here please! (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=39072)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 24, 2010, 09:14:09 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Mrs Overall strikes again.
Nice one Malcy, let's have another one!
on last night's showing his price just went through the roof and deservedly so, superb performance. Overjoyed to see Capello keep faith with him, pleased to be proved right again. where are those smart arses who ridiculed my view He was a Capello favourite and would possibly start the World Cup. No doubt cuddling up with the Gareth Barry haters. Talk about noise and no content.
Somewhere, deep within the bowels of a very old, very large library is a psychiatry book and within those pages is a very long word to describe this.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 24, 2010, 09:19:13 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "sfx412"
milner was shite, off the pace and a disaster, for whatever reason, to suggest he should be picked ahead of all the alternatives is idiocy even for here, unless of course he's shown he's fully recovered himself back to genuis best and none on here will know that.
As he represents Mon's late summer budget I hope he isn't given the chance to show again how poorly he was in the first game.
Mrs Overall strikes again.
Nice one Malcy, let's have another one!
on last night's showing his price just went through the roof and deservedly so, superb performance. Overjoyed to see Capello keep faith with him, pleased to be proved right again. where are those smart arses who ridiculed my view He was a Capello favourite and would possibly start the World Cup. No doubt cuddling up with the Gareth Barry haters. Talk about noise and no content.
Somewhere, deep within the bowels of a very old, very large library is a psychiatry book and within those pages is a very long word to describe this.
After taking a secret initiation ceremony with the Illuminati, and a night spent reading centuries old manuscripts by candle light in a secret room beneath the British Library, it gives me pleasure to inform you and the rest of the H&V readership as to what that word is:
"Mad".
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 24, 2010, 09:45:04 AM
As a very amateur psychiatrist, I feel these conditions may be relevant:
Sackocatsochosis. Marchharean Starkravers Madenoma. Acute Bagofadders Syndrome. Bellends palsy. Trollalotamus Idiotosis. Malcomosis Overallis Psychosis. Gloatimia Inappropriatus. Being a retard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 24, 2010, 10:09:41 AM
How bloody good was he yesterday?
I'm someone who was in the prefer to sell him camp, as we could rape Citeh if we get Ireland and money.
But jesus, I was so proud yesterday, must have been what elders were like with Platt in Italia '90.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 24, 2010, 10:19:05 AM
I though he was full of effort and running, but other than a couple of crosses (most of them went to Serbians) I wasn't mega impressed.
He always looks so slow with the ball.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on June 24, 2010, 10:31:20 AM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
How bloody good was he yesterday?
I'm someone who was in the prefer to sell him camp, as we could rape Citeh if we get Ireland and money.
But jesus, I was so proud yesterday, must have been what elders were like with Platt in Italia '90.
Elders - I'm not that blody old
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Post by: Risso on June 24, 2010, 10:32:48 AM
I thought in common with most of the England team, he had a good game. Nothing to get overly excited about though, it was a decent performance against a shit team.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 24, 2010, 10:41:24 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I though he was full of effort and running, but other than a couple of crosses (most of them went to Serbians) I wasn't mega impressed.
He always looks so slow with the ball.
bloody hell he overhit them that much that they landed in another stadium 4 hours later?!?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on June 24, 2010, 10:50:37 AM
Elders, crikey, i wouldn't call myself that at 26, I was proud as punch about Platt at the time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on June 24, 2010, 01:25:15 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Malcomosis Overallis Psychosis.
I like that one!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 24, 2010, 02:02:28 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I though he was full of effort and running, but other than a couple of crosses (most of them went to Serbians) I wasn't mega impressed.
He always looks so slow with the ball.
bloody hell he overhit them that much that they landed in another stadium 4 hours later?!?
Yada yada what ever they were called.
Ashley Young is the ****** who over hits 9 out of 10 crosses. Annoying little bastard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 24, 2010, 02:04:52 PM
Steady on.
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 24, 2010, 02:29:51 PM
The Milner gospel is spreading:
"Wayne Rooney is one player we worry about, he's a good striker and scored many goals last season, but Steven Gerrard, Frank Lampard, James Milner - they are all top quality footballers."
From Philip Lahm.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 24, 2010, 03:32:01 PM
Keep going.. might get 40 million for him yet ;-))
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2010, 03:37:03 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I though he was full of effort and running, but other than a couple of crosses (most of them went to Serbians) I wasn't mega impressed.
He always looks so slow with the ball.
bloody hell he overhit them that much that they landed in another stadium 4 hours later?!?
Yada yada what ever they were called.
Ashley Young is the c*** who over hits 9 out of 10 crosses. Annoying little bastard.
Fuck me Paul, steer clear of razor blades and hot baths.
And you made the same error regarding our opponents in the World Cup forum. Lay off the crack.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 24, 2010, 04:31:01 PM
Price has gone up by another couple of million at least.
Milner also reminded us yesterday how good he is out wide.
If we can keep him, then I wouldn't mind seeing a midfield of Milner...........Ireland........Petrov.....Young against teams who come to VP and put 11 behind the ball.
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Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 24, 2010, 06:40:13 PM
Forget the price going up. Last night showed once again why we MUST keep hold of him. The lads going right to the top, and i want it to be with a resurgent Aston Villa
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 24, 2010, 07:10:45 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I though he was full of effort and running, but other than a couple of crosses (most of them went to Serbians) I wasn't mega impressed.
He always looks so slow with the ball.
bloody hell he overhit them that much that they landed in another stadium 4 hours later?!?
Yada yada what ever they were called.
Ashley Young is the c*** who over hits 9 out of 10 crosses. Annoying little bastard.
Fuck me Paul, steer clear of razor blades and hot baths.
And you made the same error regarding our opponents in the World Cup forum. Lay off the crack.
I like the crack, and so do the hookers I hang with.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 24, 2010, 08:32:15 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I though he was full of effort and running, but other than a couple of crosses (most of them went to Serbians) I wasn't mega impressed.
He always looks so slow with the ball.
bloody hell he overhit them that much that they landed in another stadium 4 hours later?!?
Yada yada what ever they were called.
Ashley Young is the c*** who over hits 9 out of 10 crosses. Annoying little bastard.
Fuck me Paul, steer clear of razor blades and hot baths.
And you made the same error regarding our opponents in the World Cup forum. Lay off the crack.
I like the crack, and so do the hookers I hang with.
Fair enough, but save some till I get back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 24, 2010, 09:47:29 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I went to Dudley Zoo last year.
Very disappointing, no dancing bears with tutus or elephants being beaten with metal bars.
Your mistake, you needed to carry on into the town centre.
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Post by: Jimbo on June 25, 2010, 10:20:57 AM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
I went to Dudley Zoo last year.
Very disappointing, no dancing bears with tutus or elephants being beaten with metal bars.
Your mistake, you needed to carry on into the town centre.
That's a genuine LOL!
Reminds me of a story a mate once told me. He worked for Advantage West Midlands, which aimed to encourage outside investment into the region. He was driving around with a client showing him all the new and exciting developments in the West Midlands area when they came to Dudley. He was telling him that although it had a reputation for being a bit backward and stuck in the past, Dudley was in fact a forward-looking, modern and vibrant urban centre, full of ideas, innovation and 21st century progressive thinking. They pulled up at a red traffic light and right in front of them an old woman crossed the road walking a rabbit on a retractable dog lead.
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Post by: Simon Ward on June 25, 2010, 10:32:53 AM
Made me laugh jimbo
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Post by: peter w on June 25, 2010, 10:45:40 AM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
Forget the price going up. Last night showed once again why we MUST keep hold of him. The lads going right to the top, and i want it to be with a resurgent Aston Villa
It also showed that his best position is right-sided midfielder.
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Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2010, 10:46:02 AM
It's funny because it's in all probability true.
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Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 25, 2010, 10:49:46 AM
Villa would be stupid to sell at £30m.
If Kaka is worth £100m to Man City then Milner is worth at least half that.
Time to dig the heels in if we're serious about building this football club. Milner could be our ticket to the next step one way or another.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on June 25, 2010, 10:52:30 AM
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Villa would be stupid to sell at £30m.
If Kaka is worth £100m to Man City then Milner is worth at least half that.
Erm, I think not. Sorry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on June 25, 2010, 11:02:04 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Villa would be stupid to sell at £30m.
If Kaka is worth £100m to Man City then Milner is worth at least half that.
Erm, I think not. Sorry.
Indeed, what has he achieved that makes him worth that figure compared to what Kaka has achieved. If thay want to pay it fair enough but they would be mad to.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2010, 11:14:23 AM
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Villa would be stupid to sell at £30m.
If Kaka is worth £100m to Man City then Milner is worth at least half that.
Erm, I think not. Sorry.
Indeed, what has he achieved that makes him worth that figure compared to what Kaka has achieved. If thay want to pay it fair enough but they would be mad to.
He'll be a World Cup winner in a couple of weeks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on June 25, 2010, 11:17:56 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Villa would be stupid to sell at £30m.
If Kaka is worth £100m to Man City then Milner is worth at least half that.
Erm, I think not. Sorry.
You've never apologized for thinking before, why start now?
It's not about what he's achieved - to answer the subsequent poster - it's about what he will achieve at a bigger club. He has the potential to captain his country one day, and at 24 Man City would be paying as much for his potential as for what he has already 'achieved'.
We should be looking for £40m+ in today's market. That's what David Villa cost. He hardly changed the world playing for Valencia. And this is bottomless-fortune Manchester City we're talking about.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 25, 2010, 11:20:32 AM
Milner is worth £25m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2010, 11:22:17 AM
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Villa would be stupid to sell at £30m.
If Kaka is worth £100m to Man City then Milner is worth at least half that.
Erm, I think not. Sorry.
You've never apologized for thinking before, why start now?
It's not about what he's achieved - to answer the subsequent poster - it's about what he will achieve at a bigger club. He has the potential to captain his country one day, and at 24 Man City would be paying as much for his potential as for what he has already 'achieved'.
We should be looking for £40m+ in today's market. That's what David Villa cost. He hardly changed the world playing for Valencia. And this is bottomless-fortune Manchester City we're talking about.
Quite right too.
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Post by: pedro25 on June 25, 2010, 11:29:01 AM
I agree he's worth about £25mill, but we should be looking for a serious mark up on this to sell to Man City, probably £40mill plus. His worth to them is more than just his playing ability, to take the best player away from a direct competitor means they will pay above his actual worth. Same with Lescott last summer, worth around £15mill, but they paid nearly another 10 on top.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 25, 2010, 11:32:03 AM
Lescott, honestly worth 15million? Uvavu
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Post by: pedro25 on June 25, 2010, 12:24:11 PM
Yes I think he would have been last summer, definitely not now. We took Davies with no international experience from the Campionship for £9mill, whilst Lescott was helping Everton finish top 5 for the 2nd consecutive yr and firmly in the England squad.
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Post by: mshurst on June 25, 2010, 12:32:36 PM
If Man City want Milner then they should be prepared to pay through the nose for him.
If O'Neill were to understand how Man City work then he should turn round and tell them to pay at least £40m, or f*** off.
They've got the money. They want the players. They can pay it. It's not like all their previously purchased players were worth what they paid.
As pedro was saying: Lescott is worth £15m. They paid £25m purely because they knew it was too good to turn down. So Villa need to put their foot down and say "No. We make the offer. You accept." and slap £40m on him.
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Post by: eastie on June 25, 2010, 12:32:47 PM
If city go to £28m we should take it and move on and spend the money on 2 or 3 decent players-hopefully Ireland will be one, city are not going to pay £40m for milner and he's worth nowhere near that, if we asked for that there would be no deal and in a year with his contract in it's last year the price would drop hugely.
If milner wants to sign a new contract now , then ok but I don't think he will and don't begrudge him a move , the platt money helped us rebuild and so can this.
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Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2010, 12:38:51 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If city go to £28m we should take it and move on and spend the money on 2 or 3 decent players-hopefully Ireland will be one, city are not going to pay £40m for milner and he's worth nowhere near that, if we asked for that there would be no deal and in a year with his contract in it's last year the price would drop hugely.
If milner wants to sign a new contract now , then ok but I don't think he will and don't begrudge him a move , the platt money helped us rebuild and so can this.
As I've said before, it was a different game when Platt was sold, the distribution of players was much more even. If you had money, you could spend it. Nowdays, unless you can offer Champions League football most players will turn their nose up.
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Post by: eastie on June 25, 2010, 12:46:38 PM
£28m if spent well should be enough to get 2 or even 3 very good players in -let's hope o neill has his Ashley young and milner specs on and not his sidwell and knight specs!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2010, 12:49:01 PM
Quote from: "east19"
£28m if spent well should be enough to get 2 or even 3 very good players in -let's hope o neill has his Ashley young and milner specs on and not his sidwell and knight specs!
Who then? £28m over three players is less £10m each. Steven Fletcher will set you back over £7m.
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Post by: eastie on June 25, 2010, 12:50:49 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "east19"
£28m if spent well should be enough to get 2 or even 3 very good players in -let's hope o neill has his Ashley young and milner specs on and not his sidwell and knight specs!
Who then? £28m over three players is less £10m each. Steven Fletcher will set you back over £7m.
Stephen Ireland, robbie keane and Micah Richards.
Then any money we have originally plus other sales should see us enough to get 2 or 3 more in .
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Post by: LeeB on June 25, 2010, 01:02:24 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "east19"
£28m if spent well should be enough to get 2 or even 3 very good players in -let's hope o neill has his Ashley young and milner specs on and not his sidwell and knight specs!
Who then? £28m over three players is less £10m each. Steven Fletcher will set you back over £7m.
Stephen Ireland, robbie keane and Micah Richards.
Then any money we have originally plus other sales should see us enough to get 2 or 3 more in .
And the wage bill? Estimates I've read suggest the likes of Ireland and Richards are on near £80k a week. I'd imagine Keane's on a decent screw. They're hardly likely to take a huge pay cut to move to us are they?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 25, 2010, 01:13:51 PM
So are we to assume that Villa have NOT given Man City permission to talk to Milner?
If so, does anyone believe that Man City actually haven't been in touch? Wasn't Barry jetted out to Brunei on the quiet when he was still under contract?
Anyway, as many have said, Milner is probably worth around 25 million quid. If he was on the market. He's not. So they're gonna have to pay more.
If an estate agent knocks on your door telling you that someone very very wealthy just has to have your house, are you going to sell it for fair market value? I think not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 25, 2010, 01:30:10 PM
some wanker manc tosser wrote on that odious little clubs vital football page,
Quote
"Manchester City's summer transfer target, James Milner talks to the official FA.com website and in doing so answers fans questions submitted via Facebook.
The current Aston Villa and England midfielder looks relaxed in front of the camera, something he'll be doing quite a lot of if and when Villa finally realise they can't keep hold of one of their prize assets."
makes you sick that these ****** got lucky with a ridiculously rich owner...
would love it if he got bored and they got stuck with their wage bill and nothing to work with but their crap reputatuon and that bellend garry cook...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 25, 2010, 02:00:02 PM
We must keep him, and until James himself shows any signs of not being happy at Villa (which he hasnt) then all is well.
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Post by: eastie on June 25, 2010, 03:07:08 PM
I think milner will want to go , he can probably treble his wages and join a team with multi millions to spend , who I believe will much closer to the top next season now that Hughes has gone.
I would imagine keane, Ireland and Richards would all be prepared to take a wage cut to get regular 1st team football., and all 3 would get into our 1st team.They would all get a cut of the fee as they haven't asked for transfers and I'm sure they would see villa as an attractive deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 25, 2010, 04:21:30 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
some wanker manc tosser wrote on that odious little clubs vital football page,
Quote
"Manchester City's summer transfer target, James Milner talks to the official FA.com website and in doing so answers fans questions submitted via Facebook.
The current Aston Villa and England midfielder looks relaxed in front of the camera, something he'll be doing quite a lot of if and when Villa finally realise they can't keep hold of one of their prize assets."
makes you sick that these c***s got lucky with a ridiculously rich owner...
would love it if he got bored and they got stuck with their wage bill and nothing to work with but their crap reputatuon and that bellend garry cook...
Thats modern football for you. This sort of thing has just about squeezed my last little bit of interest and enthusiasm out what happens to Villa and football in general....
Never thought I'd ever say this but I don't give a toss where Milner goes or who O'Neill replaces him with. Unless you have millions to spend in the Prem you're just making up the numbers! :(
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on June 25, 2010, 04:24:39 PM
Quote from: "east19"
I think milner will want to go , he can probably treble his wages and join a team with multi millions to spend , who I believe will much closer to the top next season now that Hughes has gone.
I would imagine keane, Ireland and Richards would all be prepared to take a wage cut to get regular 1st team football., and all 3 would get into our 1st team.They would all get a cut of the fee as they haven't asked for transfers and I'm sure they would see villa as an attractive deal.
How many times can this guy type exactly the same post in this thread?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 25, 2010, 04:43:09 PM
My guess is 64.
Thing is, if Milner does decide to sod off it's not like Villa will cry about it! It's going to be another Barry situation - Everyone hates him for a while and then we rub his nose in it when he does rubbish.
And I'm not 100% sure that a player will only leave if he's bored or unhappy ... if he gets nearly twice his current salary he's going to go. Only Villa born Villa supporters will hesitate a move.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 25, 2010, 04:50:51 PM
You may love playing at a club and its long term plan, hopefully two things we offer at VP, but if someone offers you a shiteload more money to go somewhere else, you can understand that. City's owners may get tired and walk away later, but a player like Milner will always have buyers, so I could understand why he would consider leaving. Hope he doesnt though, I have enjoyed watching him develop perticularly over the last season, and proud its Villa that are responsible for some of that. He really wants to improve himself.
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Post by: eastie on June 25, 2010, 05:24:19 PM
Agreed,he is a credit to his profession unlike some of his England teammates and I'm sure he will go on to be classed in the likes of Bryan robson in the next few years.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on June 25, 2010, 10:36:21 PM
Apparently a deal has been done, and he's leaving for 'football reasons' - not money.
I'm reading into this Man Ure or Chelsea.
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Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 25, 2010, 10:52:48 PM
Source?
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Post by: TimTheVillain on June 26, 2010, 07:57:47 AM
FD of a PLC who have a commercial relationship with the club - he is also a Villa fan.
Met him in Pub du Vin yesterday, can't say a lot more Troy.
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Post by: tarzansbrother on June 26, 2010, 09:08:27 AM
Selling to Chelsea would some how soften the blow in losing him as moving to the current prem champs that can offer so much more than Villa is reality. With the fee looking like £30m the key will be wether its given up front and not over say 3 seasons.
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Post by: boboonthecorner on June 26, 2010, 10:16:14 AM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Apparently a deal has been done, and he's leaving for 'football reasons' - not money.
I'm reading into this Man Man Utd or Chelsea.
Not necessarily, City is arguably a move for football reasons as well. We can paint it how we want but they will be top 4 or challenging for the league a lot sooner than we will.
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Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 26, 2010, 10:53:58 AM
Agreed.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on June 26, 2010, 10:56:28 AM
True enough I guess sadly.
My guess is ManUre at the moment though, as there is a question mark over the Citeh Manager's tenure, and we know that James is not fond of joining clubs without managerial stablility.
Bottom line is, looks to me like he's off.
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Post by: mshurst on June 26, 2010, 11:22:17 AM
I lost all hope that we'd keep him after the press conference he gave before the World Cup.
I'd prefer him to go to Man Utd or Chelsea too. At least there's a reason there - silverware. Man City are only in Europa this league and (IMHO) players only go there because they get offered shit loads of cash.
Let Milner go. At the end of the day he'll always thank Villa for giving him the opportunity to get into the bigger clubs - if O'Neill hadn't spotted his potential he may still be playing for Newcastle ATM.
He's a brilliant player, and he'll be missed. But for £30M+ we can get more potential players for that.
I like the look of that Chilean Sanchez TBH.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on June 26, 2010, 01:55:25 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
I
I like the look of that Chilean Sanchez TBH.
Fellow we should be signing is the Udinese scout. They have Sanchez, Orellana of Chile and Asimoah of Ghana on their books. All young and all look decent.
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Post by: JJ-AV on June 26, 2010, 02:05:30 PM
I think we're resigned to losing him, but waiting till post World Cup so we can get the maximum we can for him.
I think he'd do well at Citeh tbh, just want us to get £20million and Ireland for him. I'd be happy with that.
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Post by: SoccerHQ on June 26, 2010, 07:14:56 PM
Me too.
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Post by: john e on June 26, 2010, 08:26:45 PM
Me too
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2010, 09:16:56 PM
I'm rather demoralised about our chances next season. I'm hoping before the start of the season I'm going to have my optimism boosted.
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Post by: barrysleftfoot on June 26, 2010, 09:40:13 PM
I'm not tbh Paul, i think if Milner goes we get aboutr £30m+ to spend, if he stays we have a good squad wiith some very good kids coming through.
I think he will change the style slightly next year, and i think we will be a better.
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Post by: davevillan on June 26, 2010, 10:12:35 PM
I always felt he would go, as every player has a price. But he would only go at the price that suits Villa, unlike Liverpool with Barry 2 yrs ago, the clubs in fo Milner can afford to pay the price. In a way, its a win win situation as we get the money to strengthen the team, if he doesnt then we keep hold of him. Players always come and go, we have sold players in the past who ideally we would like to have kept, generally we have rebuilt well...Lets hope
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Post by: villa1 on June 26, 2010, 10:32:59 PM
I think he'll go too, and for the right price i'm not that bothered.
Prince Boateng has looked quite useful at the world cup. And what's the deal with Donovan? Back to Everton next year? He would be worth a shout.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on June 26, 2010, 10:36:03 PM
Quote from: "barrysleftfoot"
I'm not tbh Paul, i think if Milner goes we get aboutr £30m+ to spend, if he stays we have a good squad wiith some very good kids coming through.
I think he will change the style slightly next year, and i think we will be a better.
I think he will too. I'm happy enough with staying 5th-7th next season providing we start to play more adventurous football.
If we have another season similar to this, I'm not sure if I'll be happy with the way we're going anymore.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 26, 2010, 11:26:16 PM
Milner plans to slap in transfer request to force through City move http://bit.ly/9CwPbK #astonvilla
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 26, 2010, 11:26:47 PM
That was from Mirror Football on Twitter
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Post by: PaulWinch again on June 26, 2010, 11:31:27 PM
Well i'd hope that he would remember that it was us who brought him up to the level he is at. I'd hope he has some respect.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on June 27, 2010, 10:39:52 AM
IF it's true (big if) then he can feck off. If it's not, sell him anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 27, 2010, 10:47:38 AM
If its true then we don't sell him to Citeh. We're starting to look like Citeh's feeder club otherwise
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on June 27, 2010, 10:54:59 AM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Well i'd hope that he would remember that it was us who brought him up to the level he is at. I'd hope he has some respect.
Do they ever?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid cowans10 on June 27, 2010, 11:32:59 AM
If and when he sells milner it could be a good thing really i know dowing had a unimpressive start but him on one wing young on the other and a quaility midfielder added and thing wont seem that bad
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 27, 2010, 11:35:16 AM
If city offer £28m and chelsea don't match him then of course we sell him to city Greg,the highest bidder and the best deal for us is what matters.
I'd hate to see him at Chelsea being corrupted into another cole , terry and lampard type .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: wookster on June 27, 2010, 11:36:08 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Milner plans to slap in transfer request to force through City move http://bit.ly/9CwPbK #astonvilla
I love these sort of quotes from the daily rags.
We're supposed to be in the middle of the World Cup with an England camp supposedly not allowed to be worrying about there domestic sides. Its all easy journalism and agent hype.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 27, 2010, 11:47:29 AM
Quote from: "east19"
If city offer £28m and chelsea don't match him then of course we sell him to city Greg,the highest bidder and the best deal for us is what matters.
I'd hate to see him at Chelsea being corrupted into another cole , terry and lampard type .
Just don't see any benefit in weakening our team and making one of our main competitors for 4th stronger. will cost us far more in the long run.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 27, 2010, 12:18:37 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If city offer £28m and chelsea don't match him then of course we sell him to city Greg,the highest bidder and the best deal for us is what matters.
I'd hate to see him at Chelsea being corrupted into another cole , terry and lampard type .
If there's any truth in the story then the C**t can rot in hell for all I care. Get rid to whoever is willing to pay......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 27, 2010, 04:48:30 PM
His value is down after that performance.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on June 27, 2010, 05:04:03 PM
I'd actually be pleased if he "slapped" in a transfer request. At least it would show some balls - unlike Barry who wanted his cake (otherwise known as "loyalty" payments) and eat it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 27, 2010, 06:03:25 PM
Let Milner go, fuck him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on June 27, 2010, 07:49:18 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Let Milner go, fuck him.
So, on the basis of some spurious tabloid article claiming that he may want to go, which is probably complete bollocks, you want to let one of the very few creative players we have go to a team we need to be competing with if we ever want to break this cycle of finishing sixth every year?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on June 27, 2010, 08:05:41 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Let Milner go, fuck him.
So, on the basis of some spurious tabloid article claiming that he may want to go, which is probably complete bollocks, you want to let one of the very few creative players we have go to a team we need to be competing with if we ever want to break this cycle of finishing sixth every year?
Thank heavens. Rationality.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on June 27, 2010, 08:13:14 PM
Quote from: "mcgrath_85"
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Let Milner go, fuck him.
So, on the basis of some spurious tabloid article claiming that he may want to go, which is probably complete bollocks, you want to let one of the very few creative players we have go to a team we need to be competing with if we ever want to break this cycle of finishing sixth every year?
Thank heavens. Rationality.
Heaven.
Rationality.
Hmmmm.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nigel Macdougall on June 27, 2010, 08:50:05 PM
Has he gone yet ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 27, 2010, 09:06:00 PM
I think this deal could fund some major changes at VP unfortunately I don't trust the current manager to spend the money well. As I said earlier if ever there was a reason not to buy English players then today was testament to that. We're screaming out for flair/technique something English players currently lack.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 27, 2010, 09:06:04 PM
I see that Jimmy came out with the amazing insight that England had fallen short of the nations expectations.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on June 27, 2010, 09:59:06 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
I think this deal could fund some major changes at VP unfortunately I don't trust the current manager to spend the money well. As I said earlier if ever there was a reason not to buy English players then today was testament to that. We're screaming out for flair/technique something English players currently lack.
Well didn't he buy Milner in the first place and possibly make £18mil profit on him?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 28, 2010, 08:47:58 AM
So.
Shall we run a book on what day Milner hands in a transfer request?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on June 28, 2010, 09:04:05 AM
Quote from: "Somniloquism"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
I think this deal could fund some major changes at VP unfortunately I don't trust the current manager to spend the money well. As I said earlier if ever there was a reason not to buy English players then today was testament to that. We're screaming out for flair/technique something English players currently lack.
Well didn't he buy Milner in the first place and possibly make £18mil profit on him?
£18m profit minus any sell on clause that Newcy included when we bought him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2010, 09:26:20 AM
For the price we paid for him (which now seems relatively small but not at the time) I doubt there was a sell on clause included.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 28, 2010, 10:11:53 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
For the price we paid for him (which now seems relatively small but not at the time) I doubt there was a sell on clause included.
Correct.
We had the sell on clause cancelled due to paying a reported £12m for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 28, 2010, 10:53:45 AM
If only we had got him the first time , when the barcodes called him back last minute. Probably would have made an extra £7 million ;-))
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: vilan461 on June 28, 2010, 12:28:02 PM
be interesting when they come home--see how quickly things get moving----and the effects, if any of beng in close proximity to Barry and the Cheslski mob on J.M. Hope he makes his intentions known very early so that we all know the score,and MON can get on preparing for the new campaign,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 28, 2010, 01:08:51 PM
Quote from: "Somniloquism"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
I think this deal could fund some major changes at VP unfortunately I don't trust the current manager to spend the money well. As I said earlier if ever there was a reason not to buy English players then today was testament to that. We're screaming out for flair/technique something English players currently lack.
Well didn't he buy Milner in the first place and possibly make £18mil profit on him?
I believe he may of done yes. I just think that his policy of buying mainly British players isn't really getting us anywhere. Hence the fact that the past two years our best players don't want to be here. Despite what a lot of people tend to believe it's not just because of the money. I think if Spurs were interested in Milner he'd seriously consider what they had to offer.
I'm not sure what price Mesut Ozil would go for, maybe £20m? Seriously would anybody really take James Milner above this guy for the same money let alone £28m?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2010, 01:14:16 PM
The past two years our best players dont want to be here? You mean Barry, the only example, who wasn't even our best player?
Not much of a fact.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 28, 2010, 01:23:19 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The past two years our best players dont want to be here? You mean Barry, the only example, who wasn't even our best player?
Not much of a fact.
Sorry my wording was incorrect, I didn't mean to state it as a fact it was my opinion. Like it or not Milner is our best player and I think we will soon find out that he doesn't want to be here either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2010, 01:30:08 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The past two years our best players dont want to be here? You mean Barry, the only example, who wasn't even our best player?
Not much of a fact.
I didn't state it was a fact it was my opinion. Like it or not Milner is our best player and I think we will soon find out that he doesn't want to be here either.
"Hence the fact that the past two years our best players don't want to be here".
So, Barry wanted to leave but wasn't our best player and nobody knows what Milner, if he is our best player, is thinking.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 28, 2010, 01:34:41 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The past two years our best players dont want to be here? You mean Barry, the only example, who wasn't even our best player?
Not much of a fact.
I didn't state it was a fact it was my opinion. Like it or not Milner is our best player and I think we will soon find out that he doesn't want to be here either.
"Hence the fact that the past two years our best players don't want to be here".
So, Barry wanted to leave but wasn't our best player and nobody knows what Milner, if he is our best player, is thinking.
Yes I apologise I have just edited that. I have worded that incorrectly, I meant it as my opinion not a fact. As you have also correctly stated Milner(In my opinion) is our most valuable asset and maybe not our best player. Although he's not far off it!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Captain Trips on June 28, 2010, 01:36:48 PM
I think we do know what Milner is thinking. Everyone saw the pre WC interview he gave where he refferred to having enjoyed his time at Villa. In the past tense, he will be off very soon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 28, 2010, 01:40:06 PM
Quote from: "Captain Trips"
I think we do know what Milner is thinking. Everyone saw the pre WC interview he gave where he refferred to having enjoyed his time at Villa. In the past tense, he will be off very soon.
I don't think may bookies will be offering very good odds for him to be a Villa player by the start of next season.
I just think the money if spent correctly could benefit us more than keeping Milner........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2010, 01:42:22 PM
Quote from: "Captain Trips"
I think we do know what Milner is thinking. Everyone saw the pre WC interview he gave where he refferred to having enjoyed his time at Villa. In the past tense, he will be off very soon.
He may well be off, we dont know. But I wouldn't judge anything based on that interview. He also said in the same paragraph: "we've had a lot of success this season, came close in two competitions, and we are moving forward."
If you can deduce that he's off based on that I'd like to know how.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 28, 2010, 01:43:54 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Captain Trips"
I think we do know what Milner is thinking. Everyone saw the pre WC interview he gave where he refferred to having enjoyed his time at Villa. In the past tense, he will be off very soon.
He may well be off, we dont know. But I wouldn't judge anything based on that interview. He also said in the same paragraph: "we've had a lot of success this season, came close in two competitions, and we are moving forward."
If you can deduce that he's off based on that I'd like to know how.
I'm sure we'll find out very soon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on June 28, 2010, 02:09:48 PM
Sell him for hysterical amounts if he wants to go and attempt to bring in Montolivo if we can.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on June 28, 2010, 09:52:06 PM
The thing is, Man City will pay all that money for him and play him out wide. Why would he want that when he's not actually that good in that position?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on June 28, 2010, 10:08:41 PM
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
The thing is, Man City will pay all that money for him and play him out wide. Why would he want that when he's not actually that good in that position?
that is what I do not understand, looks like Yaya Toure will join very soon as well so that central midfield positions become far too crowded for a player who is intelligent and must look towards his football future.
does he really want to become just a utility player when the central midfield spots for England could open up very shortly for him if he starts as well next season as last season
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2010, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Sell him for hysterical amounts if he wants to go and attempt to bring in Montolivo if we can.
Is that some sort of spread?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dan England on June 28, 2010, 10:44:39 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Monty"
Sell him for hysterical amounts if he wants to go and attempt to bring in Montolivo if we can.
Is that some sort of spread?
Nope, it is definitely a hill in Israel.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2010, 10:50:05 PM
Quote from: "Dan England"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Monty"
Sell him for hysterical amounts if he wants to go and attempt to bring in Montolivo if we can.
Is that some sort of spread?
Nope, it is definitely a hill in Israel.
Which reminds me of a favourite joke of my yoot:
What happened when Jesus went to Mount Olive?
Popeye chinned him!
Ack ack ack ack.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 28, 2010, 11:18:41 PM
You are Martyn Smith and I claim my $5.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 28, 2010, 11:24:21 PM
Ouch!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 29, 2010, 12:16:00 AM
.City to launch £100m spending spree - but no Milner Published 23:00 28/06/10 By James Nursey Recommend
Man City have lined up a stunning £100million triple swoop this week for Yaya Toure, David Silva and Edin Dzeko - but a proposed move for James Milner is in doubt.
Ivory Coast midfielder Toure, 27, is set to be the first to join Roberto Mancini's Eastlands shake-up this week for £28m from Barcelona.
But Valencia's attacking midfielder Silva, 24, is also expected to agree to join for around £30m despite being away on international duty with his native Spain.
And Man City are willing to splash a massive £36m on Wolfsburg striker Dzeko, 24, who scored 27 goals in 46 appearances last season for the German club.
The triple swoop will end up costing City, bankrolled by Abu Dhabi cash, an astonishing £100m.
The arrival of Bosnia & Herzegovina forward Dzeko will be a huge coup as he has been chased by Manchester United, Chelsea and a host of top European sides.
But City's hierarchy have put securing the signatures of midfielder Toure and Silva ahead of Milner.
And England ace Milner, 24, has told pals he has received no firm recent guarantees that Man City will return with another bid for him.
Aston Villa rejected an opening £18m bid plus £2m in add-ons from City earlier this summer for versatile midfielder Milner.
Villa are holding out for around £28m which looks hugely overpriced given England's dismal World Cup campaign after a last 16 thrashing to Germany.
Milner has told friends he has no intention of handing in a transfer request in a bid to get a move to Eastlands.
But it appears Villa will have to drop their asking price for the star if he is to push through a move to City.
Milner could still end up at Eastlands as City need to boost their quota of homegrown players for this season.
But City's hesitancy to pay over the odds for Milner could let in Chelsea and Man United who both fancy the midfielder and may offer him a better chance of starting.
Milner performed creditably against Slovenia and was one of the few England players to turn in a reasonable display against Germany before being subbed.
good news if true, though how much money we'll have to spend now is debatable
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 12:38:24 AM
My God, somebody tell me Mr Nursey doesnt get paid for writing this fucking tripe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cumgetus on June 29, 2010, 03:25:08 AM
sad to hear but been told milner and i do not write this lightly is def going man city for 25 mill and there puttin him on 80 k a week o well sure we will find a replacement remenber barry who u say :-({|=
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 29, 2010, 07:22:58 AM
That's one hell of a txt spk emoticon you have there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 07:50:28 AM
cumgetus has totally convinced me. I have no doubt he is the sort of person to have the heavyweight connections that would allow him to know these kind of things.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 29, 2010, 08:24:14 AM
So his value has gone down after the World cup. so whats Rooney worth then, a packet of condoms...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 09:28:11 AM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
So his value has gone down after the World cup. so whats Rooney worth then, a packet of condoms...
May as well. At least they're useful in the box.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 29, 2010, 09:29:28 AM
Clever.
I wish City would just hurry up and offer the £25m, so at least we might have something to spend this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 29, 2010, 09:31:27 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
So his value has gone down after the World cup. so whats Rooney worth then, a packet of condoms...
May as well. At least they're useful in the box.
Are we the new Morecombe or Wise , or what ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 09:40:54 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Clever.
I wish City would just hurry up and offer the £25m, so at least we might have something to spend this summer.
Paul, please don't become a troll.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 29, 2010, 09:43:22 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
My God, somebody tell me Mr Nursey doesnt get paid for writing this fucking tripe.
Unbelievably yes. The Mirror pinched him from The Evening Mail as well......!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 29, 2010, 09:44:26 AM
I relish the day when Abu Dhabi go bankrupt.
I might go down to the bookies and put £5 on it being because of irregularities in their pension fund.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 11:51:38 AM
Press reporting milner has told villa he wants to go to man city and snubbed Chelsea- city sources suggest it's a done deal at £25m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 29, 2010, 11:58:23 AM
'Done Deal' two over used words that do my brains in
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 29, 2010, 11:58:30 AM
nowhere near enough dosh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2010, 12:01:29 PM
He's a good player, but he's not "worth" (acknowledging the iffy concept of such a term in football) 28m pounds.
We could do a lot with that money, however, for me Milner's value goes beyond what he contributes on the field or what we'd get if we flogged him, there's also the chance to make it clear we're not there to have our best players cherry picked by our direct competitors.
To MON's credit, he played the Barry situation very well indeed. Barry went in the end, but moving Milner on to the same place 12 months after would be a bad idea in many ways.
Hopefully we'll manage the situation as best we can.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on June 29, 2010, 12:01:35 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
I relish the day when Abu Dhabi go bankrupt.
I hope you'll live long enough to see it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 12:03:40 PM
According to top city source"we are confident it's a done deal,things are moving fast and it should be wrapped up by next week".
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 29, 2010, 12:13:56 PM
£25m is what he's worth IMO.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 29, 2010, 12:17:39 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
He's a good player, but he's not "worth" (acknowledging the iffy concept of such a term in football) 28m pounds.
We could do a lot with that money, however, for me Milner's value goes beyond what he contributes on the field or what we'd get if we flogged him, there's also the chance to make it clear we're not there to have our best players cherry picked by our direct competitors.
To MON's credit, he played the Barry situation very well indeed. Barry went in the end, but moving Milner on to the same place 12 months after would be a bad idea in many ways.
Hopefully we'll manage the situation as best we can.
bottom line is whatever he's "worth", they pay what we want or miss out. he's under contract and if they could get someone better they wouldn't be bothering us. alternative is throw in the towel and just become their nursery club
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 12:25:52 PM
If he wants to go greg , as reported then let's take the money and move on - he's only got 2 yrs on his contract and the price is fair enough- that's football these days I'm afraid.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 29, 2010, 12:26:57 PM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "mshurst"
I relish the day when Abu Dhabi go bankrupt.
I hope you'll live long enough to see it.
I'm immortal. Guess I should have put that in my bio.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 29, 2010, 12:31:18 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If he wants to go greg , as reported then let's take the money and move on - he's only got 2 yrs on his contract and the price is fair enough- that's football these days I'm afraid.
and who will it be next summer? young, gabby, or delpth? you get nowhere selling your best players
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 29, 2010, 12:32:40 PM
If he wants to go then sell for £30 million, but it needs to be reinvested properly. I'm a little disappointed in Milner if this is true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on June 29, 2010, 12:34:54 PM
The trouble is if we keep Milner and he dosen't sign a new deal, we'll probably arrive at the same situation next summer.
We'll have just missed out on the top 4 as we haven't improved enough other areas of the team and he'll want to go and with one year left on his deal, we'll struggle to get 15m + for him.
So it's a case of hoping he stays and inspires us to get top 4 against losing 10m from his valuation.
Personally if he stays I'd get him to sign another deal with the clause he can go next summer if we don't make top 4/win a trophy and someone bids 25m for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 12:37:09 PM
If a player wants to go and would rather be elsewhere then I'd rather have people who are committed to playing for Aston villa, if he signed a new contract then great but we have to accept that he hasn't and take the money and move on.
We will only keep our top players when we start winning things and get into the top 4 - in many ways it's a catch 22 situation but players hold the upper hand these days.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2010, 12:47:48 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If a player wants to go and would rather be elsewhere then I'd rather have people who are committed to playing for Aston villa, if he signed a new contract then great but we have to accept that he hasn't and take the money and move on.
I agree. If he has turned down a new contract (and we don't know that he has yet) then let him go and try and get as much as we can.
We survived when Platty, Yorke and Barry went. We will again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 29, 2010, 12:59:52 PM
we survived, yes. thought we were aiming higher than that nowadays
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 01:06:42 PM
WOuld you want a player at the club who wants to be elsewhere? Remember the yorke scenario?
If James wants to go and expresses that then I'd rather cash in and move on with players that are desperate to play for Aston villa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on June 29, 2010, 01:14:01 PM
Quote from: "east19"
WOuld you want a player at the club who wants to be elsewhere? Remember the yorke scenario?
If James wants to go and expresses that then I'd rather cash in and move on with players that are desperate to play for Aston villa.
barry did ok and whatever goes for milner goes for the rest of the squad. there is NO-ONE at villa park who won't be tempted if a big offer comes in, so its not really desperate to play for villa. i get the feeling and i'm not talking just about you here, but a lot of people seem to be already spending the milner money in their heads
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 01:20:36 PM
I've resigned myself to the feeling that he will go and I just hope the money is well spent, as you know Greg,I want keane , ireland and Richards and that money would help rebuilding , but the important thing is how mon spends it and sometimes that worries me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 29, 2010, 01:34:36 PM
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Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 29, 2010, 02:34:42 PM
is it really that many times? Id got it to 52
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 02:39:42 PM
Harsh, my friends ha ha!
Either way let's hope if it happens it's fast because we don't want it dragging on all summer- we need to know what we have to spend .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2010, 02:44:19 PM
I wouldn't want the Barry scenario again. He was half cocked in his final season. Never put 100% in. Milner may be different, but in all honesty, up until the agent business, we all thought Barry was one of the decent sorts, a player without ego, not just a money grubbing whore.
Milner has a touch of the goody goody boyscout about him, but it may turn out he's no different than the rest. I wouldn't take that chance. If he asks to leave, let him go, and get top dollar.
No player should be bigger than the club. Carrying Barry as we did for that final year didn't help us in any way. In fact it may have been a hinderance in the final furlong when we were pushing for 4th. Had we taken the 18 million that summer, that could have been 2 decent players wanting and willing to give us 100%, as opposed to only taking 12 million a year later and getting very little out of Barry in his final year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on June 29, 2010, 03:00:21 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
Had we taken the 18 million that summer, that could have been 2 decent players wanting and willing to give us 100%, as opposed to only taking 12 million a year later and getting very little out of Barry in his final year.
I thought the whole point was that Liverpool didn't have the 18 million we asked for?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 03:05:47 PM
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Quote from: "supertom"
Had we taken the 18 million that summer, that could have been 2 decent players wanting and willing to give us 100%, as opposed to only taking 12 million a year later and getting very little out of Barry in his final year.
I thought the whole point was that Liverpool didn't have the 18 million we asked for?
They offered nowhere near it at any point. All they offered was firstly some players we didn't want and then a little bit of cash and some players we didn't want.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 29, 2010, 03:16:35 PM
Maz, and that was AFTER they unsettled our player, promised much, delivered nothing. And then suddenly had all that money for Keane, which makes me think they were not going to spend close to the 18 mil talked about. Luckliy the Keane signing was great for them (?), they lost Alonso and have now been surpassed by the mighty Villans.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 29, 2010, 03:16:41 PM
30m or he's staying
And that'll all be very nice and what not, But who are we going to buy of a similar class to replace him in the heart of our side ?
I've heard all the claims there are tons of players. But very few names
Who?
And don't say Ireland!. He's nothing like Milner in style so we'd need a Milner alongside him too
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 03:30:28 PM
Kallstrom. For nothing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on June 29, 2010, 03:30:36 PM
That's all well and good if he's on a long contract but he's not and the price would drop hugely in a year when we would probably have to sell anyway- I've seen all this before and if a player wants to go there is no point trying to hold onto him, it would only cause problems behind the scenes with team spirit.
I'd try and push for £28m but if we can't get it then I'd take the £25m and move on.
Anyone know when we are back in training?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 29, 2010, 04:02:59 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Kallstrom. For nothing.
A couple of years ago maybe but not now, too slow.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 04:07:20 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Kallstrom. For nothing.
A couple of years ago maybe but not now, too slow.
No he isnt and he doesn't rely on out and out pace anyway. He's clever, has a great range of passing and is strong and hardworking. Just what we need to replace Sidwell, say. Plus he's FREE! No brainer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 29, 2010, 04:19:49 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Kallstrom. For nothing.
A couple of years ago maybe but not now, too slow.
No he isnt and he doesn't rely on out and out pace anyway. He's clever, has a great range of passing and is strong and hardworking. Just what we need to replace Sidwell, say. Plus he's FREE! No brainer.
Free? How much do you think he'll want in wages? And as for pace its all important in the Prem, if not all of professional British football. Not for us, thanks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 29, 2010, 04:29:43 PM
no such thing as a free lunch.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 29, 2010, 04:31:03 PM
They don't pay bajillions in the French league you know.
We're already paying Shitwell and Shorey at least £40K per week so Kallstrom would probably make less than them. Even then he might accept a lower wage from us to try his luck at a big premier league side.
As for pace? Well Gareth Barry is considerably slower than I am and he gets into the national side.
Seems like the type of player Everton would sign to me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on June 29, 2010, 04:42:54 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
They don't pay bajillions in the French league you know.
We're already paying Shitwell and Shorey at least £40K per week so Kallstrom would probably make less than them. Even then he might accept a lower wage from us to try his luck at a big premier league side.
As for pace? Well Gareth Barry is considerably slower than I am and he gets into the national side.
Seems like the type of player Everton would sign to me.
Lyon can afford half decent wages but accepeted that he's unlikely to be on silly money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2010, 05:18:07 PM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
30m or he's staying
And that'll all be very nice and what not, But who are we going to buy of a similar class to replace him in the heart of our side ?
I've heard all the claims there are tons of players. But very few names
Who?
And don't say Ireland!. He's nothing like Milner in style so we'd need a Milner alongside him too
With respect, It's a redundant argument.
When Barry departed last year we didn't replace with a player 'like Barry.' I'd say that's probably the case for a lot of clubs too.
If Milner does depart, it would present us with the opportunity to sign a player (or two) to reshape the midfield and give it a better balance. Maz mentioned Kallstrom, there is also the Danish lad who plays for Wolfsburg (Kahlenberg). They would be more orthodox CM's (though can play wide). Then you have someone like Diame who would be more of a defensive midfielder, or Hleb/Bentley who are better out wide. Finally someone like Ireland who would be better as a link between the midfielders or forwards.
None of those are similar to Milner, but any two of them could offer us more variation and ideas in the middle of the park. Lets be frank, even with Milner on board last campaign we struggled in that dept, particularly at home.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 29, 2010, 05:22:28 PM
If he is such a good player, and available on a free, why HAVENT Everton signed him? My comment on the free lunch is, why is it free? Lyon dont want him anymore as he is costing them money in wages, (ie havent resigned him) Something smells fishier here than Mr Whitebaits Eel shop on the Highstreet in Grimsby last saturday when his refridgeration system broke down.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 29, 2010, 05:53:43 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Kallstrom. For nothing.
A couple of years ago maybe but not now, too slow.
No he isnt and he doesn't rely on out and out pace anyway. He's clever, has a great range of passing and is strong and hardworking. Just what we need to replace Sidwell, say. Plus he's FREE! No brainer.
Free? How much do you think he'll want in wages? And as for pace its all important in the Prem, if not all of professional British football. Not for us, thanks.
Pace isn't all important at all, his technique would enable him a success in the Prem. Pace isn't all important at all. Lampard, Barry, Milner, Kuyt, how many more do we need to name to prove this?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 29, 2010, 06:00:14 PM
Lampard has only just started slowing up, and I would argue that Milner and Kuyt have pace. Ok, not Agbonlahor speed, but they can shift skilfully with the ball. All except Kuyt. Pace is the first thing a defender fears. I would be disappointed if we did not look to replace a player like Milner, should he go, with someone who could shift.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on June 29, 2010, 06:03:21 PM
I meant to add that Petrov is a player we have that lacks pace, and it is evident week in week out. He is a good passer, but he cant keep up for over 70mins these days, and players coming at him will continue to be relatively faster as he ages. As for the argument about Pace not being important, I heard nothing but "Terry is a class centre half as while not quick he makes good decisions" My answer to that, is where the fucking hell were your good decisions last sunday you twat.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on June 29, 2010, 06:03:49 PM
We have players with stacks of pace and it didn;t really get us anywhere in the latter end of the season. For me, what sets Milner apart is his engine and stamina rather than his pace (which is still pretty decent anyway). But his awareness isn't the best and his tackling isn't great either. He's not the complete player and what's being quoted in the media as a decent price is well above what he actually delivers to a side. So take it if its offered.
MON isn;t suddenly going to start playing a revolutionary formation. It's either going to be 4-4-2 or 4-5-1 which suddenly becomes 4-3-3. We won't buy a player to play in the hole so to go in a different direction from what Milner offers would need somone with a similar amount of stamina but more of an eye for a pass. We don't know what Delph will offer when he's returned to fitness so Ireland is good enough for me as a direct replacement.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 29, 2010, 06:16:29 PM
As long as MON doesnt come out and say " I absolutely think Sidwell can replace young James , I didnt want to lose him but steve Sidwell will be terrific in his position "
Lets hopefully get nearer to £28 million and fook off steve sidwell too..
hieb,Annan and Sanchez would do for starters.. and that Mexican No. 3 , he was awesome.. well I can dream....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 29, 2010, 06:18:24 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
If Milner does depart, it would present us with the opportunity to sign a player (or two) to reshape the midfield and give it a better balance. Maz mentioned Kallstrom, there is also the Danish lad who plays for Wolfsburg (Kahlenberg). They would be more orthodox CM's (though can play wide). Then you have someone like Diame who would be more of a defensive midfielder, or Hleb/Bentley who are better out wide. Finally someone like Ireland who would be better as a link between the midfielders or forwards.
None of those are similar to Milner, but any two of them could offer us more variation and ideas in the middle of the park. Lets be frank, even with Milner on board last campaign we struggled in that dept, particularly at home.
If we got Hleb in, it would go a long way to getting over the disappointment of losing Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2010, 06:19:02 PM
Kallstrom has consistently been inconsistent. He's as talented a player as Sweden have, bar Ibrahimavic, but he's never done the business. He's hardly been a regular for Lyon over the seasons either, nor the National side for that matter.
Good player, but you'd have to seriously question his attitude. He is too slow as well. Barry is a slow runner that's true but he has quick fit, and can get himself out of tight spots. He's played for 13 years in the top flight, so he knows the ropes.
Not in a million years would O Neill sign Kallstrom. Too risky. I personally think he'd offer some guile we lack, but how often is debatable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on June 29, 2010, 06:31:17 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
As long as MON doesnt come out and say " I absolutely think Sidwell can replace young James , I didnt want to lose him but steve Sidwell will be terrific in his position "
There might be a few tipped for the door this summer that might remain.
Davies for one. I still think there is a decent player in there, and I'd be pretty certain he could be one of those players we regret letting go if he does the business elsewhere. In fact, I'd say he's the most likely out of all the players linked with a move away who would fall into that category.
NRC might stay. As much to give himself better options in 12 months. As a free agent I could see a number of sides taking a punt on him, sides we might even think are better than us at present.
But Sidders and Shorey should be on the way out, please god. And I can't see Beye sticking around either.
We might not get big darts for any of that trio, but their departures should give us more room for manoeuvre as far as the wage bill is concerned.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on June 29, 2010, 06:36:04 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
we survived, yes. thought we were aiming higher than that nowadays
We are, and i'm sure that's the club's aim too, but if a situation arises where a player wants to go elsewhere and we're being offered silly money, sometimes you have to move them on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt Collins on June 29, 2010, 07:27:14 PM
I really like the Mexican no 3 too - Salcido. Plays for PSV. He does seem quite two footed, so not sure if he can play at right back . . .
I have a feeling Milner may stay, but if not, Ireland and Hleb would soften the blow considerably. And I'd definitely go 4-5-1 in that instance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 07:32:22 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
Kallstrom has consistently been inconsistent. He's as talented a player as Sweden have, bar Ibrahimavic, but he's never done the business. He's hardly been a regular for Lyon over the seasons either, nor the National side for that matter.
Good player, but you'd have to seriously question his attitude. He is too slow as well. Barry is a slow runner that's true but he has quick fit, and can get himself out of tight spots. He's played for 13 years in the top flight, so he knows the ropes.
Not in a million years would O Neill sign Kallstrom. Too risky. I personally think he'd offer some guile we lack, but how often is debatable.
What on earth are you talking about? Do you have the right player? He plays loads for Lyon and has 78 caps for Sweden and he's only 27. And he is not slow. How can signing Kallstrom on a free be risky? How many Scandinavians struggle in the PL?
And sorry peter, we would have to pay him something. That's how it works.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on June 29, 2010, 10:14:50 PM
if Man City dont buy him, theres no way Man Utd will pay 25 mill for him, dont know about Chelsea but i would suspect not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 29, 2010, 10:28:46 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "supertom"
Kallstrom has consistently been inconsistent. He's as talented a player as Sweden have, bar Ibrahimavic, but he's never done the business. He's hardly been a regular for Lyon over the seasons either, nor the National side for that matter.
Good player, but you'd have to seriously question his attitude. He is too slow as well. Barry is a slow runner that's true but he has quick fit, and can get himself out of tight spots. He's played for 13 years in the top flight, so he knows the ropes.
Not in a million years would O Neill sign Kallstrom. Too risky. I personally think he'd offer some guile we lack, but how often is debatable.
What on earth are you talking about? Do you have the right player? He plays loads for Lyon and has 78 caps for Sweden and he's only 27. And he is not slow. How can signing Kallstrom on a free be risky? How many Scandinavians struggle in the PL?
And sorry peter, we would have to pay him something. That's how it works.
He's spent a lot of time on the bench for both. Not so much in the last year since Juninho called it a day, and in the absence of Larsson and Ljungberg for the nationals. But he's never fulfilled his promise, by any stretch. I personally wouldn't mind him, but O Neill just won't go there. Plus, would he be happy with anything less than top dog status? I don't think he'd appareciate spells on our bench, nor do I think we can afford to carry him in bad spells. But on a free, I suppose he's as good as there'd be out there in the freebie market.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on June 29, 2010, 10:39:20 PM
You are looking at a straight cash deal for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 29, 2010, 10:43:10 PM
Milner decided to leave, over a month ago..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 29, 2010, 10:49:19 PM
Says who?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 29, 2010, 10:53:48 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Says who?
Trust me Maz
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 29, 2010, 11:43:28 PM
Juan Pablo can you give us a clue who has told you that Milner will leave? No names like, just confirmation that your certainty is based on information passed to you rather than a strong hunch.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on June 30, 2010, 05:37:47 AM
The main reason Milner was better in the middle than on the wing was his lack of pace, he could never beat a defender on the outside. Better players have left us and we survived, no player is bigger then Aston Villa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: IFWaters on June 30, 2010, 06:43:33 AM
1. Why didnt we sign him up to a longer deal ? 4 yrs seems very short to me for someone who we all knew was going to be class. We are now in a position after only 2 years of sell now or take a loss on his maximum value.
2. Getting quite sick of the moneybags effect - its not like he's moving to a bigger, better side (same goes for Chelsea). It really is starting to feel like its you have to be owned by a gazillionaire or forget it nowadays.
3. The money recouped needs to go (primarily) on finding new talent - maybe a bit on someone like Keane, but 3/4 of it should go on players aged 19-23.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 30, 2010, 09:44:04 AM
There's one easy way to settle this Let'sSeeWhoIsAsGoodAsIfNotBetterThanMilner argument once and for all ...
TOP TRUMPS!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on June 30, 2010, 09:50:57 AM
Finding a player as talented as Milner isn't so much of a problem as finding someone who will, even when not on form, give absolutely everything. That's what's always struck me about him. He seems like a lad that's actually willing to work for his extraordinary money rather than turn up when HE feels like it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 30, 2010, 09:52:20 AM
So, no Top Trumps?!
Well, there goes my smile.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 30, 2010, 09:59:15 AM
O.K then. Let's see.
Michael Carrick. Gormless face - 100.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 30, 2010, 10:02:17 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
O.K then. Let's see.
Michael Carrick. Gormless face - 100.
What would Philippe Senderos get? Is there enough room to print it on the card?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 30, 2010, 10:06:23 AM
He's more ugly than gormless I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 30, 2010, 10:53:47 AM
milner deal will be done after he comes back his holiday and it is Man City..
we are looking at 2 weeks time ..
I knew he wanted to go but thought there was a small chance Man Utd might be coming in too, that was about 4/5 weeks ago. Ive now be told its just Man City...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 30, 2010, 10:55:38 AM
Who's your source ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 30, 2010, 11:00:20 AM
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 30, 2010, 11:11:00 AM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
and what price is he going for?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 30, 2010, 11:11:49 AM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
I really hope it is true and MON gives our midfield a complete overhaul......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 30, 2010, 12:02:41 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
and what price is he going for?
No Idea on the price mate, I sure thats between shitty and Villa at the moment. My source doesnt deal with Villas transfers in and out.
Im sure Jimmy is more bothered about his wages..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 30, 2010, 12:03:17 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
I really hope it is true and MON gives our midfield a complete overhaul......
Yes it might be better to have two decent midfielders, as opposed to Milner doing the work of two. We don't want to be too reliant on him. Also, freeing up Ashley Young somehow is essential. Ash needs a bolt of inspiration.
I'm just pleased that it's gone deadly silent on the Young front. He's the sort of footballing talent we need to keep hold of.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 30, 2010, 12:08:16 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
I really hope it is true and MON gives our midfield a complete overhaul......
Yes it might be better to have two decent midfielders, as opposed to Milner doing the work of two. We don't want to be too reliant on him. Also, freeing up Ashley Young somehow is essential. Ash needs a bolt of inspiration.
I'm just pleased that it's gone deadly silent on the Young front. He's the sort of footballing talent we need to keep hold of.
He's a class above SWP and Lennon, but Young has lost his way a little. He desperately needs competition to keep him on his toes same goes for Downing.
Despite what some people think(myself included at first) I think it's a great opportunity to revamp Villa and push us on to the next level. I just hope MON takes advantage of it.....!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on June 30, 2010, 12:09:09 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
and what price is he going for?
No Idea on the price mate, I sure thats between shitty and Villa at the moment. My source doesnt deal with Villas transfers in and out.
Im sure Jimmy is more bothered about his wages..
The price for him is all important. Milner can say "I'm off" as much as he likes because he likes the wages being offered. He's off when we get the price we want. Not before.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on June 30, 2010, 12:14:19 PM
We certainly need to add some guile in our team, the sort of player with a brain to make us tick, and link midfield and attack. The kind of player who encourages those around him to play football, and who's always actively hunting the ball. A new Merson, Yorke or to a lesser extent Solano or Angel.
Play two solid CM's, and 3 attacking midfielders ahead. Gabby or Carew up top.
A 4-2-3-1, or a 4-4-1-1 would do me. 4-4-2 is shite.
I really do hope O Neill is going to change tac now. We struggled to score too often last year. There'll be games when the old 4-4-2, big and little combo up front will work, but we do need plan B, or perhaps new plan A is more like it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 30, 2010, 12:17:28 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "supertom"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
I really hope it is true and MON gives our midfield a complete overhaul......
Yes it might be better to have two decent midfielders, as opposed to Milner doing the work of two. We don't want to be too reliant on him. Also, freeing up Ashley Young somehow is essential. Ash needs a bolt of inspiration.
I'm just pleased that it's gone deadly silent on the Young front. He's the sort of footballing talent we need to keep hold of.
He's a class above SWP and Lennon, but Young has lost his way a little. He desperately needs competition to keep him on his toes same goes for Downing.
Despite what some people think(myself included at first) I think it's a great opportunity to revamp Villa and push us on to the next level. I just hope MON takes advantage of it.....!!
Young's form was in and out last season, but when on song was as good as always. I do think that might partly be due to the switching sides between him and Downing as both prefer the left. Any new wideman this summer HAS to be better on the right and then we'd have some great options on the flanks.
As for the 'I know he's going thing' with Milner, known of us truely KNOW what's going to happen. About 10 years ago someone could have posted about us signing Juninho - they'd have been right up to a point, but it still didn't happen in the end. I think he'll go, but lets wait and see, shall we?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on June 30, 2010, 12:23:03 PM
Man City have signed David Silva according to the BBC. It's getting tight for positions in their midfield.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 30, 2010, 12:23:10 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
We certainly need to add some guile in our team, the sort of player with a brain to make us tick, and link midfield and attack. The kind of player who encourages those around him to play football, and who's always actively hunting the ball. A new Merson, Yorke or to a lesser extent Solano or Angel.
Play two solid CM's, and 3 attacking midfielders ahead. Gabby or Carew up top.
A 4-2-3-1, or a 4-4-1-1 would do me. 4-4-2 is shite.
I really do hope O Neill is going to change tac now. We struggled to score too often last year. There'll be games when the old 4-4-2, big and little combo up front will work, but we do need plan B, or perhaps new plan A is more like it.
I agree to an extent, but I think too much is made of the formation issue when it comes to breaking sides down at home. When we are struggling to do this, it's usually due to the opposition playing a 5 and Milner, who's the attacking of our central two, gets caught ball chasing and not having the offensive impact he can. The answer is to have a striker that can drop off and link the play, such as Keane, or get a more energetic/muscular holding player who can take more of the work load and allow Jimmy, or whoever replaces him, to get forward more. That and a bit of added quality/movement and we wouldn't be seeing a problem with 4-4-2!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 30, 2010, 12:25:49 PM
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "Bren_d"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
and what price is he going for?
No Idea on the price mate, I sure thats between shitty and Villa at the moment. My source doesnt deal with Villas transfers in and out.
Im sure Jimmy is more bothered about his wages..
The price for him is all important. Milner can say "I'm off" as much as he likes because he likes the wages being offered. He's off when we get the price we want. Not before.
His wage has been doubled.. But I think its a great deal If Villa can get nearer £30 million.
All Im saying I know nothing of the fee at the moment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaVA on June 30, 2010, 12:40:35 PM
I don't understand why Milner wants to go to City when there's no CL and he will only get maybe half the games he gets at Villa...and when he does will find himself playing on the wing or at left back more often than not.
I haven't renewed my ST because he's going. It took me an entire year to get over Barry going...I can't go through it again. It will be Delph next year, and then whoever the new Delph is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Simon Jones on June 30, 2010, 12:42:41 PM
Quote from: "VillaVA"
I don't understand why Milner wants to go to City when there's no CL and he will only get maybe half the games he gets at Villa...and when he does will find himself playing on the wing or at left back more often than not.
I haven't renewed my ST because he's going. It took me an entire year to get over Barry going...I can't go through it again. It will be Delph next year, and then whoever the new Delph is.
It's probably due to the £80,000 + per week he could get
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SPENTFORCE on June 30, 2010, 12:45:52 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
I really hope it is true and MON gives our midfield a complete overhaul......
I can't see how anybody could hope its true. Why would you want us to lose our best player ?
Surely you'd prefer us to add to him to make us better ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 30, 2010, 12:47:24 PM
Milner will be sitting at home now, checking his wage slip, seeing who is coming in at City (Silva, Toure, Boateng) and no doubt be packing his bags and looking for somewhere to live near Wankchester.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on June 30, 2010, 12:53:49 PM
Or he'll go on holiday and relax a bit before coming back to rejoin his Villa team mates with a few new additions.
First one to say "I hope so but I cant see it" can punch themselves in the face please.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on June 30, 2010, 12:56:09 PM
I can see that happening ... but I can also see him fucking off.
Will a wall suffice, or does it have to be a punch?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on June 30, 2010, 01:15:23 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Or he'll go on holiday and relax a bit before coming back to rejoin his Villa team mates with a few new additions.
First one to say "I hope so but I cant see it" can punch themselves in the face please.
I hope so, but I can't see it.
Agggh. My Dose!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on June 30, 2010, 01:17:33 PM
Surely Man City won't buy Silva, Toure and Milner? Where would that leave Barry, Kompany, De Jong, Adam Johnson, Vieria, Ireland, Michael Johnson, Vladamir Weiss and Wright Phillips? I know they need a squad but surely they don't need that many midfielders? Even if two or three leave they'd still have around seven midfielders who would expect to be playing every week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2010, 01:20:06 PM
I think any solid hopes of us keeping Milner have been dramatically reduced due his time spent in the wonderfully balanced and rational company of our band of English heroes. I can just imagine young James being shown photos of multiple houses, cars, women and inflated bank statements from the likes of Cole, Terry, Rooney etc.
Nothing at all wrong with the English game ...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 30, 2010, 01:35:01 PM
Bollocks to Milner and bollocks to the England team - I hereby resign as an England fan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on June 30, 2010, 01:45:06 PM
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Surely Man City won't buy Silva, Toure and Milner? Where would that leave Barry, Kompany, De Jong, Adam Johnson, Vieria, Ireland, Michael Johnson, Vladamir Weiss and Wright Phillips? I know they need a squad but surely they don't need that many midfielders?
Need? When did need come into it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on June 30, 2010, 01:45:45 PM
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Surely Man City won't buy Silva, Toure and Milner? Where would that leave Barry, Kompany, De Jong, Adam Johnson, Vieria, Ireland, Michael Johnson, Vladamir Weiss and Wright Phillips? I know they need a squad but surely they don't need that many midfielders? Even if two or three leave they'd still have around seven midfielders who would expect to be playing every week.
Well, Silva's done and Toure and Milner are all but sealed, apparently.
I reckon City will continue to rotate Kompany between CB and defensive CM, De Jong will partner Toure regularly in midfield, Barry will be told to compete for his place or clear off, Vieira will be used sparingly for his experience (he was a short term signing anyway), A Johnson will still feature regularly, though not as a nailed-on starter, Weiss will be loaned out again and probably eventually move on, M Johnson - if ever recovers from his injury problems - will be made surplus and move on - and Ireland and SWP will be available for transfer.
My guess, anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 30, 2010, 01:48:45 PM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Surely Man City won't buy Silva, Toure and Milner? Where would that leave Barry, Kompany, De Jong, Adam Johnson, Vieria, Ireland, Michael Johnson, Vladamir Weiss and Wright Phillips? I know they need a squad but surely they don't need that many midfielders?
Need? When did need come into it?
There's likely to be a load leaving - Ireland we know about and hopefully to us if Jimmy goes, SWP is also likely and Viera was only ever a short term signing. Johnson has disappeared into limbo and simply isn't within a million miles of their 1st team picture.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 30, 2010, 01:53:58 PM
Not heard of any Man Shitty player coming in the deal...
My source is away in Italy. So If I get any news will post ...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2010, 02:05:28 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Surely Man City won't buy Silva, Toure and Milner? Where would that leave Barry, Kompany, De Jong, Adam Johnson, Vieria, Ireland, Michael Johnson, Vladamir Weiss and Wright Phillips? I know they need a squad but surely they don't need that many midfielders? Even if two or three leave they'd still have around seven midfielders who would expect to be playing every week.
Well, Silva's done and Toure and Milner are all but sealed, apparently.
I reckon City will continue to rotate Kompany between CB and defensive CM, De Jong will partner Toure regularly in midfield, Barry will be told to compete for his place or clear off, Vieira will be used sparingly for his experience (he was a short term signing anyway), A Johnson will still feature regularly, though not as a nailed-on starter, Weiss will be loaned out again and probably eventually move on, M Johnson - if ever recovers from his injury problems - will be made surplus and move on - and Ireland and SWP will be available for transfer.
My guess, anyway.
On one thread we're lamenting the fuckedness of the English national team, then you read this and see an up and coming player (Milner) maybe going there, and another one (Johnson) already there, and an established one (Barry) headed for their bench, and you wonder when they're going to get a game with people like De Jong, Toure and Silva there.
Still, they can siphon off the huge wages, if that keeps them happy.
The English game is gigantically fucked. The national team is just the tip of the iceberg.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on June 30, 2010, 02:08:26 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Not heard of any Man Shitty player coming in the deal...
My source is away in Italy. So If I get any news will post ...
Not Fabio is it ?? ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on June 30, 2010, 02:14:52 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
The English game is gigantically fucked. The national team is just the tip of the iceberg.
My thoughts exactly - we haven't moved on despite having one of the best league's in the world - if anything we have gone backwards when compared to the likes of South Korea/Japan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2010, 02:53:55 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Merv"
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Surely Man City won't buy Silva, Toure and Milner? Where would that leave Barry, Kompany, De Jong, Adam Johnson, Vieria, Ireland, Michael Johnson, Vladamir Weiss and Wright Phillips? I know they need a squad but surely they don't need that many midfielders? Even if two or three leave they'd still have around seven midfielders who would expect to be playing every week.
Well, Silva's done and Toure and Milner are all but sealed, apparently.
I reckon City will continue to rotate Kompany between CB and defensive CM, De Jong will partner Toure regularly in midfield, Barry will be told to compete for his place or clear off, Vieira will be used sparingly for his experience (he was a short term signing anyway), A Johnson will still feature regularly, though not as a nailed-on starter, Weiss will be loaned out again and probably eventually move on, M Johnson - if ever recovers from his injury problems - will be made surplus and move on - and Ireland and SWP will be available for transfer.
My guess, anyway.
On one thread we're lamenting the fuckedness of the English national team, then you read this and see an up and coming player (Milner) maybe going there, and another one (Johnson) already there, and an established one (Barry) headed for their bench, and you wonder when they're going to get a game with people like De Jong, Toure and Silva there.
Still, they can siphon off the huge wages, if that keeps them happy.
The English game is gigantically fucked. The national team is just the tip of the iceberg.
English football has been consmng itself over several years. When up and coming or proven English Premiership players voluntarily decide that giving up starting positions for cushioned benches then we know that hell is around the corner. Players who are already limited on a global scale have decided not to develop their abilities but their material possessions instead. Between the FA and Premier League, football is in ruins, not neccessarily as a spectacle, but as a competitive entity that gives back to the game itself and to it's development.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 30, 2010, 02:57:47 PM
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
The English game is gigantically fucked. The national team is just the tip of the iceberg.
My thoughts exactly - we haven't moved on despite having one of the best league's in the world - if anything we have gone backwards when compared to the likes of South Korea/Japan.
What has struck me in this tournament is that most of the players from other nations genuinely look like they wanted to be there. For most of our lot it seemed a complete chore, and a distraction from lying on the beach, or on the deck of their yachts.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on June 30, 2010, 03:05:04 PM
I really can't see Milner being a Villa player by the time the season kicks off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on June 30, 2010, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
English football has been consmng itself over several years. When up and coming or proven English Premiership players voluntarily decide that giving up starting positions for cushioned benches then we know that hell is around the corner. Players who are already limited on a global scale have decided not to develop their abilities but their material possessions instead. Between the FA and Premier League, football is in ruins, not neccessarily as a spectacle, but as a competitive entity that gives back to the game itself and to it's development.
I think a prime example of this is SWP. He was a great young player at City and looked like he might develop into an even better one. He then opts to move to Chelsea where he hardly ever even saw a football. The fact he moved back to City is not overly relevant as it was too late as his key years where spent bench warming, so the player he COULD have been was never found.
Will Milner suffer a similar fate?
Would Walcott have developed better had he stayed with Southampton?
I'm not sure what the answer is, but this new 'homegrown' rule might actually expand the problem.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on June 30, 2010, 03:31:28 PM
havent they scrapped the "homegrown rule"?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on June 30, 2010, 03:43:34 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
havent they scrapped the "homegrown rule"?
It's still coming in as far as I know.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 30, 2010, 04:03:18 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I think any solid hopes of us keeping Milner have been dramatically reduced due his time spent in the wonderfully balanced and rational company of our band of English heroes. I can just imagine young James being shown photos of multiple houses, cars, women and inflated bank statements from the likes of Cole, Terry, Rooney etc.
Nothing at all wrong with the English game ...
At a conservative estimate he will be getting £40/50K per week with us and he could no doubt afford all the cars and houses he wants. To get more is just sheer greed.
I'm almost certain he will be off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on June 30, 2010, 04:05:48 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
havent they scrapped the "homegrown rule"?
It's still coming in as far as I know.
What about the capping of squad size at 25?
I haven't heard much more about that but was sure it was coming in.
For an idea on that we have a squad of 28.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on June 30, 2010, 04:18:47 PM
Just to add something re: City's midfield. Hasn't Vieira signed on for another year?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 30, 2010, 04:26:08 PM
Quote from: "SPENTFORCE"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Someone very close to the player ..
Thats all I know..
I just asked for an update..
I really hope it is true and MON gives our midfield a complete overhaul......
I can't see how anybody could hope its true. Why would you want us to lose our best player ?
Surely you'd prefer us to add to him to make us better ?
It's for the greater good. The money will benefit us more than just Milner on his own I feel.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on June 30, 2010, 04:31:08 PM
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Bollocks to Milner and bollocks to the England team - I hereby resign as an England fan.
Exactly my feelings. Sick of watching dull football from overrated English players. Lampard,Cole,etc are only any good because of the players around them. Gerrard hasn't looked half the player since Alonso left, and Rooney......I can't explain that one because he is probably one of our only truly world class players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 30, 2010, 04:59:51 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I really can't see Milner being a Villa player by the time the season kicks off.
At the rate they're going through midfielders i'd be surprised if he's still a Citeh player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2010, 06:15:24 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
havent they scrapped the "homegrown rule"?
It's still coming in as far as I know.
Nope, he's right - they've scrapped it.
Can't think why they it didn't get more press coverage when they issued a quiet press release on the opening day of the World Cup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on June 30, 2010, 06:23:57 PM
The Milner situation is an exact enactment of the Barry situation.
A good player playing well for Villa gets picked for England and lo and behold when he gets back to Villa suddenly has greater aspirations! Obviously nothing to do with associating with the other England pillocks!
Quite honestly I would prefer that NO Villa player ever plays for England again (or such time as all the prima-donnas are no longer in the England team)!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 30, 2010, 06:25:20 PM
^^^ I agree, achilles.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on June 30, 2010, 08:04:21 PM
Been saying the same thing for years. It does us no favours whatsoever.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: vilan461 on June 30, 2010, 08:22:22 PM
[quote="toronto villa
What has struck me in this tournament is that most of the players from other nations genuinely look like they wanted to be there. For most of our lot it seemed a complete chore, and a distraction from lying on the beach, or on the deck of their yachts.[/quote]
complete agreement,the W.C. appeared to be an intrusion on some of "The Golden Generation",s vacation & play time!!!!!!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on June 30, 2010, 08:56:40 PM
Quote from: "curiousorange"
Just to add something re: City's midfield. Hasn't Vieira signed on for another year?
He has - add him to the ever expanding list.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SashasGrandad on June 30, 2010, 09:39:29 PM
Quote from: "achilles"
The Milner situation is an exact enactment of the Barry situation.
A good player playing well for Villa gets picked for England and lo and behold when he gets back to Villa suddenly has greater aspirations! Obviously nothing to do with associating with the other England pillocks!
Quite honestly I would prefer that NO Villa player ever plays for England again (or such time as all the prima-donnas are no longer in the England team)!
Ivanhoe plays for England and we can't get rid of him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on June 30, 2010, 10:31:21 PM
Parker 9m,Rodellega 12m,Eduardo 7m for Milners fee of 28m. I'd drive him to Man C tomorrow.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SashasGrandad on June 30, 2010, 10:53:46 PM
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Parker 9m,Rodellega 12m,Eduardo 7m for Milners fee of 28m. I'd drive him to Man C tomorrow.
Why not buy him a train ticket and tell him to walk from Piccadilly?
It's not far.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: a5tonv111a@yahoo.co.uk on June 30, 2010, 11:02:40 PM
Quote from: supertom
Quote from: boboonthecorner
Quote from: JUAN PABLO
Someone very close to the player ..
Yes it might be better to have two decent midfielders, as opposed to Milner doing the work of two. We don't want to be too reliant on him. Also, freeing up Ashley Young somehow is essential. Ash needs a bolt of inspiration.
And a natural RB who is good going forward, instead of carlos. This would free up the midfielders who have to back track cover for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on June 30, 2010, 11:02:52 PM
Quote from: "SashasGrandad"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Parker 9m,Rodellega 12m,Eduardo 7m for Milners fee of 28m. I'd drive him to Man C tomorrow.
Why not buy him a train ticket and tell him to walk from Piccadilly?
It's not far.
Besides, Man City will probably send a car and driver.
I'd say it's almost certainly not worth you taking a day off work to do it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 08:04:44 AM
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Parker 9m,Rodellega 12m,Eduardo 7m for Milners fee of 28m. I'd drive him to Man C tomorrow.
If we signed those 3 players for the price of Milner then I would start to restore my faith in MON.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 01, 2010, 09:18:23 AM
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Parker 9m,Rodellega 12m,Eduardo 7m for Milners fee of 28m. I'd drive him to Man C tomorrow.
Must say I'd be underwhelmed with those signings - seriously unconvinced by Rodellega. Eduardo might be good though.
For £28m I'd rather we took Ireland at £12m and spunked the rest on Huntelaar (he was quoted at £16m when linked with Chelsea). If that's not possible, then Keane and the remainder on a new RB. Either scenario would be better than the three players you've mentioned, IMO.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 01, 2010, 12:36:28 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Parker 9m,Rodellega 12m,Eduardo 7m for Milners fee of 28m. I'd drive him to Man C tomorrow.
Must say I'd be underwhelmed with those signings - seriously unconvinced by Rodellega. Eduardo might be good though.
For £28m I'd rather we took Ireland at £12m and spunked the rest on Huntelaar (he was quoted at £16m when linked with Chelsea). If that's not possible, then Keane and the remainder on a new RB. Either scenario would be better than the three players you've mentioned, IMO.
I think them three players would be fantastic, tbh ... with the exception of Parker. I'd prefer the other £9m on someone else. Saying that, I didn't really pay that much attention to him last season.
Either way, he's going to have a better shot:goal ratio than Petrov.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 01, 2010, 05:29:52 PM
What will the reaction be to Milner when he returns with City?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on July 01, 2010, 05:31:53 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
What will the reaction be to Milner when he returns with City?
Similar to the reaction Barry got I'd have thought. Though this is arguably worse given that he has only just joined us whereas GB had been at Villa 10 years. It may be said that he has not earned the right to move on after such a short stint. Either way he will not be welcomed back to Villa Park.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 01, 2010, 05:34:39 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Parker 9m,Rodellega 12m,Eduardo 7m for Milners fee of 28m. I'd drive him to Man C tomorrow.
Must say I'd be underwhelmed with those signings - seriously unconvinced by Rodellega. Eduardo might be good though.
I agree with that. I don't think Rodallega is a £12million player. Parker is a decent player make no mistake but he's 29 and I'd prefer someone younger.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on July 01, 2010, 05:46:39 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
havent they scrapped the "homegrown rule"?
It's still coming in as far as I know.
What about the capping of squad size at 25?
I haven't heard much more about that but was sure it was coming in.
For an idea on that we have a squad of 28.
thats still coming in, and i think it has to have 8 academy players in it...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dotcomsimon on July 01, 2010, 06:09:33 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "not3bad"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
havent they scrapped the "homegrown rule"?
It's still coming in as far as I know.
What about the capping of squad size at 25?
I haven't heard much more about that but was sure it was coming in.
For an idea on that we have a squad of 28.
thats still coming in, and i think it has to have 8 academy players in it...
Squad of 25 players, However, You can add to that unlimited players aged under 21, Within the 25 player squad at least 8 of the players have to be homegrown. Homegrown is any player who has been registered as a player at a club in england or wales for a minimum of 3 seaons between the ages 0f 16-21, Pretty sure we have the most homegrown players in the premier league
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 01, 2010, 06:29:42 PM
You know, I'm not too worried by Man City. They're disobeying every single rule of how to successfully deal in the transfer market (constant threat over the manager's head, changing your team every year, buying a million strikers etc), and I'm seriously unconvinced that Silva will be a success, certainly not immediately. Even Guillem "Spanish Optimist of the Year" Balague thinks it'll take 7 months for Silva to settle in, and I for one am much more sceptical than that. He's oh so lightweight, he'll have huge problems adjusting (wouldn't anyone leaving their native sun-kissed land for Moss Side), and anyway he gets a hell of a lot of reflected glory from Villa. Out of him and Stephen Ireland, for next year at least, I choose Ireland.
Yaya Toure may be a good signing - on the other hand, there are signs that he's a little on the way down. His tactical discipline has suffered recently (perhaps success has gone to his head), and Pep was obviously never convinced by his all-round game. Still, good player, better than De Jong.
Besides, they're buying for now - but these contracts won't be able to be renewed once Platini's rules come into force. Their wage bill alone will exceed the turnover of any club in the world, let alone Manchester City (even if Cook gets his "global franchise entity" going). If they get success, then it will only be at our expense in the short term, as the type of transfer-based success that is will be impossible. Then they fall back on their admittedly excellent academy and youth setup, which we can compete with. I do not worry about Manchester City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 07:29:09 PM
Mysteryman says the deal is done. £28m. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/01/milner-for-28m-done-deal-mysteryman/)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 01, 2010, 07:30:40 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Mysteryman says the deal is done. £28m. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/01/milner-for-28m-done-deal-mysteryman/)
Haven't we been saying that for days?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 07:51:25 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Mysteryman says the deal is done. £28m. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/01/milner-for-28m-done-deal-mysteryman/)
Haven't we been saying that for days?
I've thought it was more or less a done deal since the first links were printed weeks ago.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2010, 08:07:14 PM
£28m would be a great price. He's a workhorse but he'll never be a matchwinner and I'd choose Ashley above him every time. I don't think Milner has the natural technique you'd expect from a player moving at that price. If we can get Ireland for half the amount or less, or someone as good, and put the rest towards a top striker we'll have improved.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 08:09:15 PM
£28m would be superb.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on July 01, 2010, 08:11:39 PM
if 28 million is the fee, then i wont be too upset.... he is a quality player, and works extremely hard, but 28 million is a nonsense amount of money that we can put towards 2 or 3 quality players...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank black on July 01, 2010, 08:12:40 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£28m would be superb.
Only if spent wisely....or if spent at all?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2010, 08:15:05 PM
Pity we couldn't get Ireland as part of it, but at least it's sorted early and we can move on with things rather it dragging on all summer- £ 28m is more than he's worth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 01, 2010, 08:15:34 PM
Quote from: "eamonn"
£28m would be a great price. He's a workhorse but he'll never be a matchwinner and I'd choose Ashley above him every time. I don't think Milner has the natural technique you'd expect from a player moving at that price. If we can get Ireland for half the amount or less, or someone as good, and put the rest towards a top striker we'll have improved.
Agree 100%.
I reckon Ireland will fetch £8-10million based on reports and that will be some deal.
We can probably bring in a decent defensive midfielder as well as the striker.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 01, 2010, 08:16:48 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Mysteryman says the deal is done. £28m. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/01/milner-for-28m-done-deal-mysteryman/)
Haven't we been saying that for days?
I've thought it was more or less a done deal since the first links were printed weeks ago.
Yeah? Well, I thought it was a done deal even before he joined us. The first time. So there!
But regardless of all that, he can't really be blamed for going. he's going to earn shitloads and with a team that's got a chance of really challenging. He's got his head screwed on - he knows we just can't compete. It's a hard one to swallow after the hope we experienced four years ago when Randy arrived, but now we just have to face facts. Milner won't be the last decent player to leave us for better / bigger / richer / more ambitious opponents.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 01, 2010, 08:21:15 PM
Can't blame him and I won't boo him on his return- at the end of the day he's doing a job and not a fan and the money on offer is too good to turn down!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 08:23:58 PM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Mysteryman says the deal is done. £28m. (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/01/milner-for-28m-done-deal-mysteryman/)
Haven't we been saying that for days?
I've thought it was more or less a done deal since the first links were printed weeks ago.
Yeah? Well, I thought it was a done deal even before he joined us. The first time. So there!
But regardless of all that, he can't really be blamed for going. he's going to earn shitloads and with a team that's got a chance of really challenging. He's got his head screwed on - he knows we just can't compete. It's a hard one to swallow after the hope we experienced four years ago when Randy arrived, but now we just have to face facts. Milner won't be the last decent player to leave us for better / bigger / richer / more ambitious opponents.
I thought it was a done deal before he's even swam from his dads jap eye.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 08:24:29 PM
Quote from: "frank black"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£28m would be superb.
Only if spent wisely....or if spent at all?
Can someone other than MON spend it please?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2010, 08:27:34 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "frank black"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£28m would be superb.
Only if spent wisely....or if spent at all?
Can someone other than MON spend it please?
Whilst i understand your mis-givings, let's give MON a bit of credit for turning him into a £28m player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 01, 2010, 08:28:17 PM
The irony is that Barry was treated worse than Milner will be when he had given us 12 years of service and had stuck with the club through thin times compared to what Milner has.
Admittedly he did aggravate for a move to Loserpool but still.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 08:29:06 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "frank black"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£28m would be superb.
Only if spent wisely....or if spent at all?
Can someone other than MON spend it please?
Whilst i understand your mis-givings, let's give MON a bit of credit for turning him into a £28m player.
Well done MON. Isn't that part of his job to get the best out of football players?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 01, 2010, 08:30:37 PM
I dont think Jimmy will sign until he comes back from Hols..
I expect within 2 weeks now.
But yes he is and we know is gone.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2010, 08:33:57 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "frank black"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£28m would be superb.
Only if spent wisely....or if spent at all?
Can someone other than MON spend it please?
Whilst i understand your mis-givings, let's give MON a bit of credit for turning him into a £28m player.
Well done MON. Isn't that part of his job to get the best out of football players?
See that was'nt hard.
Getting the best out of a player is one thing. Making a £14m profit on him inside 2 season's is another.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 01, 2010, 08:53:13 PM
he hasnt gone yet, anything can happen,
done deal my arse
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 01, 2010, 09:16:20 PM
£28m for Milner? £32m for Yaya Toure apparently? So when Mubarak, Mancini and everyone else said they wouldn't 'overpay' for players they were taking artistic license with the English language. Not bad English fiction for people whose first language isn't English (Garry Cook included).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on July 01, 2010, 09:29:55 PM
Quote from: "john e"
he hasnt gone yet, anything can happen,
Only a matter of time John
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 01, 2010, 09:30:08 PM
Barry back as part of the deal?
http://buzztap.com/-b5Nplr
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 01, 2010, 09:33:57 PM
No thanks, unless he's free, because at the world cup he was horrible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 01, 2010, 09:35:45 PM
Leaving aside personal scruples about Barry, the fact is that if we're looking at Parker as a defensive type midfielder then I'd rather have Barry in the role instead.
But that rumour is just bunkum. They've put Man City buying loads of midfielders + Barry leaving Villa to go to City and come up with a nice little answer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on July 01, 2010, 09:36:24 PM
A straight cash deal will happen, Barry to return? No
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 01, 2010, 09:41:06 PM
Since the deal is "done", let's just get the money and move on.
I'm actually no longer bothered when players depart. Gray (1st time), Platt, Yorke... after a while you just come to terms with the fact that that is what happens and you become immuned to the disappointment. Just like that first girlfriend leaving tore you apart; several girlfriends later its not so desperately gut-wrenching.
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Post by: TheSandman on July 01, 2010, 09:45:32 PM
Quote
Rumour Number One
Gareth Barry has told people he has made a mistake going back to Man City and one bit of this only backed up by one person is that he has already spoken to people at Villa sounding out a return
You can say that again Gareth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 01, 2010, 09:51:09 PM
Barry back?
No. Fuck that. He took the piss with that Mail letter and his whingeing for a Liverpool move.
Having him back - if he really wanted it, and I doubt very much there is any truth in it - would be humiliating for us.
Bollocks to him.
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Post by: mozza on July 01, 2010, 10:05:42 PM
Looking increasingly likely that Milner is joining the gravy train ..........if so good luck to you lad ......you could have been a legend at Villa Park
Barry's return .........no thanks ......we didn't miss him last season.......... he made his choice let him live with it
Players come players go ............the days of loyalty with guys like Ian Taylor are gone I fear- it's just a job
I just hope and pray that MON has a contigency plan ready to put in place and replacements for players we wanted to keep and those that haven't cut the mustard
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on July 01, 2010, 10:59:51 PM
Dear me, £28m for a player with a reasonably good season behind him and a couple of decent (compared to the rest of the shower) England performances. Next thing is they will be forking out £26m for some player from the Spanish league who scored 10 goals in 33 matches last season. If they make the CL at the end of next season, Milner will find himself in the same position as Barry does now. Surplus to requirements for a team who will look for someone much more technically gifted and influential than Jimmy. By then, they won't have any English players anyway. Roll on the next World Cup...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 01, 2010, 11:12:03 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Dear me, £28m for a player with a reasonably good season behind him and a couple of decent (compared to the rest of the shower) England performances. Next thing is they will be forking out £26m for some player from the Spanish league who scored 10 goals in 33 matches last season. If they make the CL at the end of next season, Milner will find himself in the same position as Barry does now. Surplus to requirements for a team who will look for someone much more technically gifted and influential than Jimmy. By then, they won't have any English players anyway. Roll on the next World Cup...
I agree. I think it could be a move he will regret for the reasons you've outlined.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 01, 2010, 11:25:45 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
No thanks, unless he's free, because at the world cup he was horrible.
so was Rooney, but you wouldnt say no to him would you
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid1964 on July 02, 2010, 08:25:40 AM
I dont know what all the panic is £28m for Milner and we have the ready made replacement in OSBOURNE
What a midfield that will be Petrov and Osbourne!! LOL
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 02, 2010, 08:38:06 AM
Quote from: "Moorski"
Quote from: "john e"
he hasnt gone yet, anything can happen,
Only a matter of time John
i suppose its just that i still cant believe any one including Man City is going to pay 28 mill for him,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 02, 2010, 09:32:42 AM
Having Barry back from a sheer footballing perspectivewould make no sense as he's too similar to Petrov and we need a bit more muscle and energy in that holding role, IMO. I think £28m is overvaluing him so a good price for us - and I'm a HUGE fan of Jimmy back to his days on loan with us. We get Ireland as part of the deal and he can give us what he get from Milner attacking wise, even if he won;t have the industry and workrate. We make up for that with the holding player I've mentioned and then we've made up for his loss, while improving our balance centrally, and still have cash left over.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 02, 2010, 09:38:34 AM
The only City midfield players I'd be interested in us getting as part of the deal/with some of the Milner fee would be De Jong and/or Ireland. I rate both.
Having said that, I'd have loved us to play hard ball and demand Joe Hart, Ireland/De Jong and £10-15m. Really test their resolve.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 02, 2010, 09:43:37 AM
Quote from: "Merv"
Having said that, I'd have loved us to play hard ball and demand Joe Hart, Ireland/De Jong and £10-15m. Really test their resolve.
Whilst I admire your chutzpah, Merv, and I acknowledge their vile, arriviste approach to spending money on players they don't really need ... they're never going to go for that deal.
I'd swap Ireland and De Jong for Milner, no money needed if they offered it.
We'd be getting the better deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 02, 2010, 09:59:39 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I'd swap Ireland and De Jong for Milner, no money needed if they offered it.
I'd probably be happy with that too, if I'm honest. Our midfield now needs a rather drastic overhaul and we need to get some quality in there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villasjf on July 02, 2010, 10:21:57 AM
Quote from: "sid1964"
I dont know what all the panic is £28m for Milner and we have the ready made replacement in OSBOURNE
What a midfield that will be Petrov and Osbourne!! LOL
I hope MON doesnt read this it may give him ideas. lol how has Osbourne and Salifou survived the end of season cull, perhaps they are being coached to be right full backs?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 02, 2010, 10:35:03 AM
I think I would rather have John Osbourne in midfield
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rodders on July 02, 2010, 10:51:17 AM
Quote from: "Des Little"
I think I would rather have John Osbourne in midfield
This time next year we'll be looking back in anger?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: montague on July 02, 2010, 11:42:30 AM
Quote from: "Des Little"
I think I would rather have John Osbourne in midfield
Didnt he used to play in goal for West Brom?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: E I Adio on July 02, 2010, 11:58:00 AM
Quote from: "montague"
Quote from: "Des Little"
I think I would rather have John Osbourne in midfield
Didnt he used to play in goal for West Brom?
Who Ozzy? I didn't know that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 02, 2010, 12:04:22 PM
No, Albion had a chain smoking keeper of the same name in the 70's, sadly no longer with us
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 02, 2010, 12:12:49 PM
Quote from: "Des Little"
No, Albion had a chain smoking keeper of the same name in the 70's, sadly no longer with us
Ran a market stall with Jim Cumbes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: E I Adio on July 02, 2010, 12:23:46 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Des Little"
No, Albion had a chain smoking keeper of the same name in the 70's, sadly no longer with us
Ran a market stall with Jim Cumbes.
He was a great one for banter with the fans behind his goal and I think I'm right in remembering that he was a wizard at quizzes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 02, 2010, 12:32:46 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Des Little"
No, Albion had a chain smoking keeper of the same name in the 70's, sadly no longer with us
Ran a market stall with Jim Cumbes.
remember that goal he [Cumbes] let in against Leeds, hope he was better handling his cabbages
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pat McMahon on July 02, 2010, 12:32:47 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Des Little"
No, Albion had a chain smoking keeper of the same name in the 70's, sadly no longer with us
Ran a market stall with Jim Cumbes.
My mom used to work in a fancy goods warehouse (a very inappropriate name as it consisted of the crappy little plastic windmills and joke pens you would expect to find in a really cheap lucky bag) in Soho Rd in Handsworth and John Osborne was a good mate of the owners. He often popped in for a chat and a cuppa the day after a game.
My Mom used to have good banter with him and apparently he was a really lovely bloke. If I remember correctly he had a column in the Argus in the 70s too and it was usually funnier than the average ghost written read. My mom was telling him what Villa were going to do to the Boggies in the last home game of the wonderful 76-77 season, which happened to be Johnny Giles adieu party. We murdered them 4-0 to put them in their place. When Osborne came out for the beginning of the 2nd half he bowed down before the Holte End in full homage to his superiors. He told my Mom on the Tuesday morning it was bowing down to her. I always had a soft spot for him after that
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Simon Ward on July 02, 2010, 12:41:54 PM
Quote from: "E I Adio"
Quote from: "montague"
Quote from: "Des Little"
I think I would rather have John Osbourne in midfield
Didnt he used to play in goal for West Brom?
Who Ozzy? I didn't know that.
He could play right back!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: serbentoflight on July 02, 2010, 12:52:10 PM
Quote from: "Simon Ward"
Quote from: "E I Adio"
Quote from: "montague"
Quote from: "Des Little"
I think I would rather have John Osbourne in midfield
Didnt he used to play in goal for West Brom?
Who Ozzy? I didn't know that.
He could play right back!
Nah, he would be our Iron Man in the middle of the field.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: H00513R on July 03, 2010, 02:39:49 AM
When is Villa going to get off their ass and make some moves?? It's getting a little frustrating.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 03, 2010, 02:51:01 AM
Quote from: "H00513R"
When is Villa going to get off their ass and make some moves?? It's getting a little frustrating.
You're new, you'll learn.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 03, 2010, 07:30:00 AM
Quote from: "H00513R"
When is Villa going to get off their ass and make some moves?? It's getting a little frustrating.
You're only at the 'little' frustrating stage. Allow me to plot the next few weeks out for you.....
Little---->Quite---->Really---->totally---->unbelievably---->immensely----?[no posts as you've been banned from calling everyone associated with Villa a completely useless ******]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on July 03, 2010, 08:07:51 AM
Quote from: "H00513R"
When is Villa going to get off their ass and make some moves?? It's getting a little frustrating.
I remember the days when I was like you. I was but a mere pup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nastylee on July 03, 2010, 01:17:48 PM
You'll need to wait until at least August and then spend the final 4 weeks watching everyone sign someone. Villa will eventually make a signing on 31st at about 11.58pm.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 03, 2010, 02:28:41 PM
Quote from: "Nastylee"
You'll need to wait until at least August and then spend the final 4 weeks watching everyone sign someone. Villa will eventually make a signing on 31st at about 11.58pm.
and despite that, with the exception of a few sides, do better than all of them.
We don't really rush, we don't really panic, and it is frustrating. But the Villa way, is the Villa way. It's a testing game of patience and you won't really know what's going on until the very end, so ignore the rumours in the papers. We'll see 10+ players come and go in the coming weeks, so just sit back, relax and try and enjoy the ride.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: OzVilla on July 03, 2010, 02:43:25 PM
MON's record of making late moves in the transfer market aside, the World Cup always means the transfer window is truncated down from 12 weeks to 6 weeks, particularly if the said players you're keen on signing are involved.
The fact that we've made no moves yet should worry no one.
Well that's my pathetically optimistic view and i'm sticking to it.
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Post by: Matt Collins on July 03, 2010, 04:44:33 PM
MON's record on late purchases is a mix of the 'glad I waited' and 'he'll make do' though isn't it?
Dunne, Collins, Warnock last year were all great buys.
Harewood, Knight much less so!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 03, 2010, 04:47:32 PM
Quote from: "Matt Collins"
MON's record on late purchases is a mix of the 'glad I waited' and 'he'll make do' though isn't it?
Dunne, Collins, Warnock last year were all great buys.
Harewood, Knight much less so!
Note of course that the more impressive late signings (in fact, signings full stop) have been the more recent ones.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2010, 05:07:23 PM
I'm not worried about when we purchase them so much as who we purchase.
This season we've enough strength to start without any major weaknesses.
What we need to do is find better players than we have.
More players of the same quality means standing still.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 03, 2010, 05:26:52 PM
Remember Wigan last season- I would like our signings done dusted and in the team on the opening day if possible!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2010, 05:29:22 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Remember Wigan last season- I would like our signings done dusted and in the team on the opening day if possible!
The squad is stronger today than it was the first day of last season.
And I'd rather forget Wigan, to be honest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 03, 2010, 05:44:57 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "east19"
Remember Wigan last season- I would like our signings done dusted and in the team on the opening day if possible!
The squad is stronger today than it was the first day of last season.
And I'd rather forget Wigan, to be honest.
Most people did when we shafted Liverpool in their own doorway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 03, 2010, 05:47:44 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "east19"
Remember Wigan last season- I would like our signings done dusted and in the team on the opening day if possible!
The squad is stronger today than it was the first day of last season.
And I'd rather forget Wigan, to be honest.
Most people did when we shafted Liverpool in their own doorway.
The unfortunate thing is there were then far more performances at home from the Wigan mould than from the Liverpool away one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Sister of Top Cat on July 03, 2010, 06:35:24 PM
Quote from: "H00513R"
When is Villa going to get off their ass and make some moves?? It's getting a little frustrating.
It's "arse" not "ass" (winky thing)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: smudger on July 04, 2010, 02:51:43 PM
At present we don't need to be in a rush to buy anyone, we have a big squad, no position is short of numbers. We just need to improve the quality in certain areas, but we are not desperate at the moment. My only concern would be if we see 4 or 5 leave in the next few weeks and get to the last week of August having not signed anyone.
Going back to the Milner thread, anyone reckon Barry, Ireland and a bit of cash would be a good deal for us? I know Barry was a shit for going, but he is a good player. With the midfielders already signed there, surely those 2 would be bench warmers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 04, 2010, 05:38:52 PM
`There is no chance of Barry coming back and we have seen in Milner the type of player which is more effective. I think Ireland with an upgraded Reo Coker would be the way forward for Villa .............
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 04, 2010, 09:40:36 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "east19"
Remember Wigan last season- I would like our signings done dusted and in the team on the opening day if possible!
The squad is stronger today than it was the first day of last season.
And I'd rather forget Wigan, to be honest.
Most people did when we shafted Liverpool in their own doorway.
The unfortunate thing is there were then far more performances at home from the Wigan mould than from the Liverpool away one.
Yes, the home form is the major issue that needs addressing. The away form is/was potentially league challenging standard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 04, 2010, 10:57:07 PM
for all this done deal stuff, i'm starting to think Milner wont be going to Man City
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 04, 2010, 11:03:19 PM
Quote from: "john e"
for all this done deal stuff, i'm starting to think Milner wont be going to Man City
So am I. And the strange thing is, I'm actually a little disappointed by that. I'd already imagined what we could do with the £30 million. And in truth, I have no doubt that if we got over 25 million for Milner then it's definitely the best thing for us to take the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 04, 2010, 11:08:17 PM
I'm convinced we can build a team around him but we can also significantly improve the team with £30m extra.
We can keep Milner and add to the squad though and thats my preference. We dont have to sell him by my reckoning. I dont even know where that notion comes from.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 04, 2010, 11:34:50 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'm convinced we can build a team around him but we can also significantly improve the team with £30m extra.
We can keep Milner and add to the squad though and thats my preference. We dont have to sell him by my reckoning. I dont even know where that notion comes from.
Where would you play Milner in this team built around him?He had a good season in the centre but he is not £30mil's worth as a central midfielder.He doesn't score or create enough from that position.
As a wide player,I would go with him but that said,I would also like to see Downing given the chance of a full pre-season to prove himself.I remember Bentley & Berbatov a couple of seasons ago being the talk of the town,got their big moves & then flopped-There is always the chance that Milner won't match the high standards he set himself last season just as Young disapointed a little last season.I won't be suicidal if Milner stays but a lump sum plus Ireland or even just a lump sum is my preferred scenario
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 05, 2010, 12:54:55 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'm convinced we can build a team around him but we can also significantly improve the team with £30m extra.
We can keep Milner and add to the squad though and thats my preference. We dont have to sell him by my reckoning. I dont even know where that notion comes from.
Perhaps we don't need to sell him. But the question in my mind is simply whether we could get better than James Milner for £30 million or less and my conclusion would be "yes".
Nechells is right - he's a very good player but one to "build the team around". I'm not so sure yet. We desperately need to find more goals from midfield in open play next season and that would be the challenge if Milner left. If we're going to go the same way as the fabled "modern football" and start playing one up front with a bank of three behind him then we either need the one up front to score the best part of 30 goals or we need a couple of midfielders to chip in with 15. I see Milner doing the latter so we could do with finding someone who can.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villaross on July 05, 2010, 06:58:52 AM
Though he was one fo the few players to have a god World CUp the general stench that is hanging over the England team at present may have put off potential buyers?
Either way it is good news for us as he is a player we can build our midfield around. Then again if City are prepared to pay a player who hardly played last season £200,000+ a week they can have pretty much whoever they want.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 05, 2010, 08:49:57 AM
Quote from: "nechells"
Where would you play Milner in this team built around him?He had a good season in the centre but he is not £30mil's worth as a central midfielder.He doesn't score or create enough from that position.
As a wide player,I would go with him but that said,I would also like to see Downing given the chance of a full pre-season to prove himself.I remember Bentley & Berbatov a couple of seasons ago being the talk of the town,got their big moves & then flopped-There is always the chance that Milner won't match the high standards he set himself last season just as Young disapointed a little last season.I won't be suicidal if Milner stays but a lump sum plus Ireland or even just a lump sum is my preferred scenario
I would play him where he is most effective. In midfield. Possibly as one of three. He does score goals and create goals, he was one of the top midfielders in that regard last season. As a wide player he is not as effective. I thought that was patently obvious by now.
You can build a team around him because he's young, a leader by example and definitely captain material. But if we do sell him and get a shitload of money for him to reinvest, so be it. But its my second preference.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on July 05, 2010, 08:57:16 AM
It has gone quiet because he has gone on holiday according to the press, I am sure on his return he will go and sign for them. With the players they have, the crowds they get and the money he will be given you can't really blame him either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2010, 08:57:28 AM
Even if City pull out of trying for Milner, I'd probably expect another club to come in for him. Maybe Utd. He's exactly the sort of player they need.
I'd rather keep him, because as we know with O Neills transfer record, it's mixed to say the least. It'd take 2 decent players to plug Milners gap I feel. We'd have the cash to do that, not to mention fund a decent striker to boot.
But still, I'd rather go with the 20 mill we apparently already have, raise another 10-15 selling dead wood and bring in 3-4 quality additions.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on July 05, 2010, 08:58:56 AM
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
Quote from: "john e"
for all this done deal stuff, i'm starting to think Milner wont be going to Man City
So am I. And the strange thing is, I'm actually a little disappointed by that. I'd already imagined what we could do with the £30 million. And in truth, I have no doubt that if we got over 25 million for Milner then it's definitely the best thing for us to take the money.
I am nudging that way too Olof, though I would be pleased too to hang on to him. Watching Germany in particular these last few days has reminded me how over-hyped and over-priced good'ish England players are. I think even Man City have realised that is daylight robbery for a player of Milner's ability
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on July 05, 2010, 09:06:26 AM
Schweinsteiger has shown in the World Cup you don't have to be a hulking brute to play as one of a two in front of the back four. And Germany have proved a good team will beat a collection of individuals.
Given that Man City have already hoovered up more midfield players than you can shake a stick at there must be a possibility that Milner will stay.
With existing players we could line up in the latest fashion: Back Four Milner - Petrov Young Albrighton - Downing Agbonlahor
Chuck in the Fonz, Carew, Weiman (sp?) Delph NRC then forget Keane (please MON) buy Ireland and/or a quality winger - forget McGeady(please MON) - and we won't be too bad. If...big if, we don't persevere with 4 4 2 and a big lump up front.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 05, 2010, 10:05:56 AM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "Olof's Beard"
Quote from: "john e"
for all this done deal stuff, i'm starting to think Milner wont be going to Man City
So am I. And the strange thing is, I'm actually a little disappointed by that. I'd already imagined what we could do with the £30 million. And in truth, I have no doubt that if we got over 25 million for Milner then it's definitely the best thing for us to take the money.
I am nudging that way too Olof, though I would be pleased too to hang on to him. Watching Germany in particular these last few days has reminded me how over-hyped and over-priced good'ish England players are. I think even Man City have realised that is daylight robbery for a player of Milner's ability
I think our first choice should be for him to stay - he's a good player and part of the 'young England' philosophy MON is building his team around.
But Stephen Ireland + the best part of £20m is a close enough 2nd prize that I won't be needing to join 'gregnash: everything is shite' support group if he does go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olof's Beard on July 05, 2010, 11:31:28 AM
Quote from: "SteveN"
Schweinsteiger has shown in the World Cup you don't have to be a hulking brute to play as one of a two in front of the back four. And Germany have proved a good team will beat a collection of individuals.
Given that Man City have already hoovered up more midfield players than you can shake a stick at there must be a possibility that Milner will stay.
With existing players we could line up in the latest fashion: Back Four Milner - Petrov Young Albrighton - Downing Agbonlahor
Chuck in the Fonz, Carew, Weiman (sp?) Delph NRC then forget Keane (please MON) buy Ireland and/or a quality winger - forget McGeady(please MON) - and we won't be too bad. If...big if, we don't persevere with 4 4 2 and a big lump up front.
I just don't think that team has enough goals in it. Unless Gabby pretty much doubles his league output or two of Young/Albrighton/Downing can find 12-15 goals from open play, we'll always be struggling to score enoughs goals, much like we did last season. Carew is still crucial in that regard because he's liable to go on a streak, like he did for a month or so earlier this year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Tokyo Sexwhale on July 05, 2010, 12:43:43 PM
PROOF (if it was needed) that tribalfootball knows nowt - what a headline!
Sadly not hard enough to do enough damage to get some time off work. :(
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 05, 2010, 12:50:03 PM
Quote from: "Hodge"
“It becomes very difficult for a club and a player not to be tempted when one of the richer clubs comes along with big offers.”
You'd know all about that, you ******.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on July 05, 2010, 12:51:11 PM
Mentally I am expecting him to leave so I am not quite sure what I would make of it if he stayed.
I happily advocate the one up top idea however.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 05, 2010, 02:19:48 PM
I'd pay good money to watch a Gorilla fuck Steve Hodges eyesockets.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 05, 2010, 02:29:52 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'd pay good money to watch a Gorilla fuck Steve Hodges eyesockets.
Add Lucy Lawless smirking salaciously and licking her lips and you've a great scene from Spartacus right there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 05, 2010, 02:33:37 PM
I knew I'd seen it somewhere.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2010, 03:45:12 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'd pay good money to watch a Gorilla fuck Steve Hodges eyesockets.
Add Lucy Lawless smirking salaciously and licking her lips and you've a great scene from Spartacus right there.
That part alone would do me. Topless to boot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 05, 2010, 03:47:16 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'd pay good money to watch a Gorilla fuck Steve Hodges eyesockets.
Add Lucy Lawless smirking salaciously and licking her lips and you've a great scene from Spartacus right there.
That part alone would do me. Topless to boot.
Her off of Xena? Is she in Spartacus??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on July 05, 2010, 03:50:48 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "supertom"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'd pay good money to watch a Gorilla fuck Steve Hodges eyesockets.
Add Lucy Lawless smirking salaciously and licking her lips and you've a great scene from Spartacus right there.
That part alone would do me. Topless to boot.
Her off of Xena? Is she in Spartacus??
Yes mate, and she gets em out. Cracking pair of knorks too. Now I know what Xenas young Lesbian friend saw in the warrior princess. Shazam!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 05, 2010, 03:58:58 PM
Bucket of cold water for Tom.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on July 05, 2010, 10:15:43 PM
Quote from: "supertom"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "supertom"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'd pay good money to watch a Gorilla fuck Steve Hodges eyesockets.
Add Lucy Lawless smirking salaciously and licking her lips and you've a great scene from Spartacus right there.
That part alone would do me. Topless to boot.
Her off of Xena? Is she in Spartacus??
Yes mate, and she gets em out. Cracking pair of knorks too. Now I know what Xenas young Lesbian friend saw in the warrior princess. Shazam!
But Spartacus must have been made a good 10 years before she was even born! No way is she 60 odd??!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 05, 2010, 10:15:57 PM
Right, this thread's going off topic so I will relight the fire by saying I would happily take Lardarse back as part of the deal (and I mean it). Come on then let's have it...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on July 05, 2010, 10:20:34 PM
No, I want Lucy Lawless's age confirmed before we talk about any lardarsses! Wasn't Spartacus made in 1960 or something?!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 05, 2010, 10:24:41 PM
Quote from: "not3bad"
No, I want Lucy Lawless's age confirmed before we talk about any lardarsses! Wasn't Spartacus made in 1960 or something?!
It's a new TV series version.
As for the bearsed one. Never go back. Especially when your lover fecked off to a richer man to gain the opportunity to buy a new Bentle... Sorry play Champions League football.
Besides he is slower than me. I also don't think we should sign too many older players he's what 29 now?
As for Milner I don't actually think he's a player we could build a side around. He's good but not THAT good. Now in a couple of years Fabian Delph might be a different story...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 06, 2010, 12:40:50 AM
An offer of 25million Pounds would be too good to turn down, yes Milner was good in the centre of midfield during the second half of last season, but we we're still getting over ran in games in the centre of the park, maybe that was Petrov's fault? who knows, but an offer of 25m+ for a good player, not an expecptional one is too good to refuse.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: *shellac* on July 06, 2010, 07:43:29 AM
I intend to call my new band The Milners. The members are:
RB Milner (he who operates the drum machine) RM Milner (he who plays lead) LM Milner (he who plays bass) CM Milner (he who sings & plays rhythm)
Hey Ho! Let's Go!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 06, 2010, 08:28:08 AM
I don't want to be buried in Manchester City, I don't want to never be heard again. I don't want to be buried in Manchester City, I don't want to play with 80 men.
The Milners - Manchester City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2010, 02:10:29 PM
Nice.
They've been crying out for songs in the TF thread.
They don't know what they're missing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on July 06, 2010, 04:47:07 PM
Has he gone yet? No thought not. I'm bored of this saga again
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 06, 2010, 05:42:18 PM
Not yet, but I'd start to think of another user name if I were you
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on July 06, 2010, 05:52:25 PM
Given the fees they've paid out for other players, there's no problem in City forking out 30 mill. We have no pressing need to sell Milney so lets hold out and play hardball for once. We give clubs an easy ride too often.
30 mill or fuck off should be the state of play.
That extra 6 mill between 24 and 30, is a decent player right there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2010, 07:42:13 PM
I liked the suggestion that Citeh issued us a with 'take it or leave it' ultimatum a few weeks ago, after offering £20 mill.
Leave it.
Thanks for calling, have a good Christmas if I don't see you for a while. Cheers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 06, 2010, 08:39:45 PM
theres not many on here that think he's worth 28 mill, even the guys who think he's awesome still say take the money if its 25-30mill.
so why would Man City think he's worth that sort of figure ?
i was told from a City source that its 20 mill because thats what he's worth, which is probably about right, but in that case we will probably keep him unless he throws a tantrum, should please a lot of people if he stays.
i'm not fussed either way, i personaly would still take the 20 mill,as i dont think he's as great as people make out, and i want a revamp of the midfield and striking options, but heres to hopeing !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 06, 2010, 08:43:11 PM
He's worth £20million.
However, Man City have overpaid for just about every player they've signed so they will eventually offer whatever inflated fee we want.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 06, 2010, 08:57:47 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
He's worth £20million.
However, Man City have overpaid for just about every player they've signed so they will eventually offer whatever inflated fee we want.
i'm not so sure with Milner
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Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2010, 08:59:13 PM
Indeed.
In fact I'm not even sure if he's really worth that. If we were desperate to sell or had financial issues, it might be closer to £15-£18 million. Based on his contribution to date with us and compared with the value of other players out there in a similar position.
But we don't want/ need to sell, Citeh are nouveau riche tasteless pricks throwing money about to get noticed so it's £30 million. Thankyou and fcuk you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 06, 2010, 09:01:11 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Indeed.
In fact I'm not even sure if he's really worth that. If we were desperate to sell or had financial issues, it might be closer to £15-£18 million. Based on his contribution to date with us and compared with the value of other players out there in a similar position.
But we don't want/ need to sell, Citeh are nouveau riche tasteless pricks throwing money about to get noticed so it's £30 million. Thankyou and fcuk you.
obviously i hope you are right
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 06, 2010, 09:06:10 PM
I've been thinking about how insane some of this talk about how much Milner is worth is.
I see Schweinsteiger or whatever is linked with Chelsea. He's 25 and a finer all round central midfielder you would struggle to find. If he does leave Bayern for Chelsea it will be for £20-25Million.
Wesley Sneijder is a bit older but still he's fantastic player a great all round attacking midfielder. Inter got him for £20million and Man Yoo are linked with him in one of the rags at £25million.
It is sheer madness that Milner is going for more money than these players who are by most estimations much better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2010, 09:09:35 PM
Indeed.
But how much for that world-class talent Lescott last summer?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 06, 2010, 09:28:28 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Indeed.
But how much for that world-class talent Lescott last summer?
thats part of the problem though, i dont know whether they will pay as much again for a player, who is not a star name
you can learn from your mistakes
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2010, 09:37:42 PM
If the reports are true about how much they're paying Yaya Toure per week, I'm not so sure.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2010, 10:24:48 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
If the reports are true about how much they're paying Yaya Toure per week, I'm not so sure.
I've just read about that, and the day I stop bothering with football is getting closer and closer.
Football wages have been obscene for years. They're now getting to the point where they're actually sick.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank black on July 06, 2010, 10:25:22 PM
I think Milner will want to play one more season at the Villa. Not sign a new contract and hope to have more choice of clubs next summer. Villa on the other hand would not want this to happe,n and will try to sell now or in Jan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 06, 2010, 11:02:00 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
If the reports are true about how much they're paying Yaya Toure per week, I'm not so sure.
I've just read about that, and the day I stop bothering with football is getting closer and closer.
Football wages have been obscene for years. They're now getting to the point where they're actually sick.
I could understand (though not excuse) it if it was for a major talent, like a Kaka, Messi or a Sidwell.
But for a solid, unspectacular DM it's absolute insanity. I'd like to see how the Bluenose gobshite justifies it, as I can't really see Yaya Toure selling more shirts in Asia than, lets say, Richard Dunne.
He won't be one of the best players in the Prem next year, I doubt he'll even be in the top 10.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 06, 2010, 11:03:56 PM
Whenever I saw Toure play for Barcelona in the CL last year, he struck me as a player who runs around an awful lot, but has an tendency to behave like Frank Lampard in World Cups - ie get him anywhere within eyesight of goal and he shoots - never less than 20 feet over the bar.
Unimpressed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 06, 2010, 11:07:55 PM
Quote from: "john e"
theres not many on here that think he's worth 28 mill, even the guys who think he's awesome still say take the money if its 25-30mill.
so why would Man City think he's worth that sort of figure ?
i was told from a City source that its 20 mill because thats what he's worth, which is probably about right, but in that case we will probably keep him unless he throws a tantrum, should please a lot of people if he stays.
i'm not fussed either way, i personaly would still take the 20 mill,as i dont think he's as great as people make out, and i want a revamp of the midfield and striking options, but heres to hopeing !
Lescott 24m, end of debate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 06, 2010, 11:09:33 PM
Toure got a lot of reflected glory from the rest of his Barca team-mates. A decent defensive player, but his passing, for instance, was made to look far better than it actually is because of a) the brilliant movement around him and b) the amount of space he got in his defensive midfield position as teams backed off against Barca like they don't do against anyone else.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 06, 2010, 11:19:30 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Quote from: "john e"
theres not many on here that think he's worth 28 mill, even the guys who think he's awesome still say take the money if its 25-30mill.
so why would Man City think he's worth that sort of figure ?
i was told from a City source that its 20 mill because thats what he's worth, which is probably about right, but in that case we will probably keep him unless he throws a tantrum, should please a lot of people if he stays.
i'm not fussed either way, i personaly would still take the 20 mill,as i dont think he's as great as people make out, and i want a revamp of the midfield and striking options, but heres to hopeing !
Lescott 24m, end of debate.
when we get the 28 mill, as every one says its a 'done deal' will be the end of the debate, and not before you might well believe its all signed and sealed at that high figure but i'm not to sure, and just quoting Lesscot isnt going to make it happen.
we will see, but i still reckon if he goes the transfer fee will be nearer 20 mill than 30
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on July 06, 2010, 11:49:03 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Quote from: "john e"
theres not many on here that think he's worth 28 mill, even the guys who think he's awesome still say take the money if its 25-30mill.
so why would Man City think he's worth that sort of figure ?
i was told from a City source that its 20 mill because thats what he's worth, which is probably about right, but in that case we will probably keep him unless he throws a tantrum, should please a lot of people if he stays.
i'm not fussed either way, i personaly would still take the 20 mill,as i dont think he's as great as people make out, and i want a revamp of the midfield and striking options, but heres to hopeing !
Lescott 24m, end of debate.
when we get the 28 mill, as every one says its a 'done deal' will be the end of the debate, and not before you might well believe its all signed and sealed at that high figure but i'm not to sure, and just quoting Lesscot isnt going to make it happen.
we will see, but i still reckon if he goes the transfer fee will be nearer 20 mill than 30
i dont think that will let happen,MON and Randy aren't that silly it'll be up around tthe 28 or 30 million mark.id rather we get a few players off City though maybe Onuoha Ireland and 10m would do.it would give us cover for Young leaving and a good replacement for Milner with Ireland,the 10m to get a decent goal scorer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 07, 2010, 12:01:04 AM
Welcome aboard dublinfran.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 12:02:30 AM
think if he goes, we can guess there's'no exciting signings joining. i'm sure he'll ask what mon's plans are before making a decision. my guess is he'll hear the transfer target list and run a mile
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 07, 2010, 12:05:05 AM
My guess is that he'll hear £130K a week and be in Manchester faster than Gabby chasing a ball down the middle.
Regardless of who MoN wants to sign.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2010, 12:05:48 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
think if he goes, we can guess there's'no exciting signings joining. i'm sure he'll ask what mon's plans are before making a decision. my guess is he'll hear the transfer target list and run a mile
Whilst I frequently agree with you, I think you've upped your level of gloominess to insupportable levels recently, Greg (your posts have been a bit like being stuck in a lift with Ronnie Irani whilst Muse are blasted in at top volume of late. No offence).
However, on this one, you've touched on a decent point. Last year we were told Barry was sitting down with MON to hear his plans. He left. This year we've heard Milner is doing the same. If he leaves, is it about the plans not ringing true?
Or is it all purely about money? And if it is about money, it is surprising to hear it from a player many have touted on here (me too, probably) as being "not the type to be all about the money".
Maybe the players aren't all that convinced by the club's vision? Just a thought.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 07, 2010, 12:15:44 AM
I dunno Greg.
I'm sure Tottenham fans might have been a bit miffed when Carrick departed, and then in a few weeks Berbatov rocked up.
Similarly, in the summer when it was pretty obvious Berbatov was on the way out, the likes of Bentley and Pavlichenko must have cushioned the blow somewhat.
I'm 80% certain at this stage that Milner will be off. You can't see the wood from the trees sometimes with all the ITK bollocks floating about, but from the various sources that do have a decent track record in that dept, none are suggesting Milner is torn on the issue. To a man they say he'll be off, that his head has been turned by the kerching on offer.
The only thing I can see scuppering it is if Citeh themselves lose interest.
If he does depart, it will be all about how MON invests the money. Worked right, we could be in a far healthier position squad and balance-wise than we were at the end of the last campaign. Fcuk it up, and MON is a goner. It really is that simple.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on July 07, 2010, 12:18:17 AM
Quote from: "Percy"
Welcome aboard dublinfran.
Cheers mate..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 07, 2010, 12:18:47 AM
I genuinely think hyperbole of my last post aside that the thought process goes like this
1. Hmm £130K a week... 2. They have lots of money and are signing players with good reputations like Toure and Silva. 3. Because of this they have a far greater chance of winning things. 4. See ya!
To be utterly and depressingly honest we genuinely can't compete with that. I'm a supporter and even I believe Man City have far more chance of winning things next season and would be very surprised if we finished above them. In my opinion we need one or more of a number of things to get above them. We need one of: A manager who is totally brilliant and can work minor miracles (Really not sure the incumbent is that man); A player who no one else is scouting that can provide such undeniable quality he can drag the club to the next level (Snorts derisively at any suggestion Milner is that good... He may be awesome but we need someone a level or two higher); Massive investment or finally and possibly most likely other sides such as Man City, Tottenham, Liverpool and Arsenal to under perform. Whilst the latter is most achievable it is the least within our control.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 12:31:37 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "gregnash"
think if he goes, we can guess there's'no exciting signings joining. i'm sure he'll ask what mon's plans are before making a decision. my guess is he'll hear the transfer target list and run a mile
Whilst I frequently agree with you, I think you've upped your level of gloominess to insupportable levels recently, Greg (your posts have been a bit like being stuck in a lift with Ronnie Irani whilst Muse are blasted in at top volume of late. No offence).
However, on this one, you've touched on a decent point. Last year we were told Barry was sitting down with MON to hear his plans. He left. This year we've heard Milner is doing the same. If he leaves, is it about the plans not ringing true?
Or is it all purely about money? And if it is about money, it is surprising to hear it from a player many have touted on here (me too, probably) as being "not the type to be all about the money".
Maybe the players aren't all that convinced by the club's vision? Just a thought.
players go for ambition first, money 2nd (hence citeh haven't attracted any mega-stars). like barry, milner will sit down and decide whether citeh's signings, or possibly a summer of the likes of keane will be the best bet. i think we all know the answer
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 07, 2010, 12:37:07 AM
I see what you're saying, but just because Citeh look the better bet (and they undeniably do at the moment) doesn't mean it will pan out that way.
You often see better organised and happier teams achieving more than a collection of highly talented individuals. This WC has shown that countless times.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 07, 2010, 12:47:13 AM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I genuinely think hyperbole of my last post aside that the thought process goes like this
1. Hmm £130K a week... 2. They have lots of money and are signing players with good reputations like Toure and Silva. 3. Because of this they have a far greater chance of winning things. 4. See ya!.
I completely agree with your list. I just wish the FA/Capello could sometimes act as the players' conscience on their other shoulder:
"go to man city and not play XX games and you'll no longer be in the England Squad. We want you playing every week and that is more likely at Villa."
If Capello has a hope in hell of discovering a decent team then he's going to have to start throwing his weight around and upsetting the bigger clubs by discouraging young up and coming players to sign for "the big 4". Today it's Milner, yesterday Scott Parker, SWP, Sidwell and to a lesser extent Barry. All stalled their careers by joining a big club (too early).
This of course assumes that the players see representing their country as a privilege and winning the world cup as the pinnacle ambition for a footballer. Hmmm I see where I've gone wrong...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 12:47:26 AM
i know i'll be accused of wanton doom again but i can't imagine citeh finishing below us especially if they have milner. if selling your best players helped in the long run then arsenal would have won the premier the last 5 years and they have a far better ability to attract quality replacements then we have
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 07, 2010, 12:50:41 AM
It's getting to the stage where I'd be very dissapointed if we kept him.
Keep him and we plod along in 6th-8th.
Sell him and we can completely revamp the whole team and come back a new force. Atleast we'd have a bit of excitement. It's a policy that's worked for some of the top clubs in the big leagues all around Europe and has worked for Spurs the last few years.
£28million, bite their hands off. Replace for a third of the price, and add the right back and new centre forward we're craving.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 12:54:50 AM
rarely works out that way jj.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 07, 2010, 01:01:18 AM
It does for Spurs, Sevilla, Lyon, Porto etc. Don't think it's nailed on we'll improve with the money, but I'd back MON to spend it wisely.
If his targets are the likes of Ireland and Keane to replace Milner and Heskey, no matter what you think of those players you can't argue they're players who keep the ball of the floor. Along with Warnock, Collins and Downing coming in, it's obvious he's trying to make us a better footballing side.
Atleast that's something positive, that the signs are he's looking at a different approach?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 01:05:44 AM
and there's the rest it ain't worked for
ho hum. another day, another story
City prepare final bid for Milner as Villa postpone contract talks with England winger - Exclusive Published 23:01 06/07/10 By James Nursey Recommend
Aston Villa have postponed contract talks with James Milner as they await Man City's latest bid for the England midfielder.
City had an opening offer of £18million plus £2m in add-ons rejected by Villa at the end of the season.
And Villa are now braced for another approach from City despite the Eastlands club signing midfielders Yaya Toure and David Silva last week.
Villa held initial contract talks between Milner, 24, boss Martin O'Neill and owner Randy Lerner before the ace went to the World Cup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on July 07, 2010, 06:43:22 AM
The Star are claiming this morning that Martin is holding out for 15, Ireland and Onourha. I would be well pleased with that as a deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 07, 2010, 07:37:18 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
The Star are claiming this morning that Martin is holding out for 15, Ireland and Onourha. I would be well pleased with that as a deal.
So would I !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 07, 2010, 07:37:46 AM
Yep, I'd be pleased with that deal too.
I just want it done and dusted now so we can prepare for next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 07, 2010, 07:58:21 AM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
It's getting to the stage where I'd be very dissapointed if we kept him.
Keep him and we plod along in 6th-8th.
Sell him and we can completely revamp the whole team and come back a new force. Atleast we'd have a bit of excitement. It's a policy that's worked for some of the top clubs in the big leagues all around Europe and has worked for Spurs the last few years.
£28million, bite their hands off. Replace for a third of the price, and add the right back and new centre forward we're craving.
Why would we plod along 6th-8th if we keep him? We can buy players without selling him and add to him. Its not like he's stinking our team out. All we need to do is keep him and add a couple of quality players which is quite possible.
Of course, if he does go we can take the opportunity to change things around and freshen it up, I know what you mean. But keeping Milner is still a very good idea by my reckoning. Especially if Man City take the piss and dont meet our valuation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 07, 2010, 08:28:58 AM
Ireland , Onuoha and £15m is acceptable.
Ireland, Hart and Richards wouldn't be too shabby either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 07, 2010, 08:49:23 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "gregnash"
think if he goes, we can guess there's'no exciting signings joining. i'm sure he'll ask what mon's plans are before making a decision. my guess is he'll hear the transfer target list and run a mile
Whilst I frequently agree with you, I think you've upped your level of gloominess to insupportable levels recently, Greg (your posts have been a bit like being stuck in a lift with Ronnie Irani whilst Muse are blasted in at top volume of late. No offence).
However, on this one, you've touched on a decent point. Last year we were told Barry was sitting down with MON to hear his plans. He left. This year we've heard Milner is doing the same. If he leaves, is it about the plans not ringing true?
Or is it all purely about money? And if it is about money, it is surprising to hear it from a player many have touted on here (me too, probably) as being "not the type to be all about the money".
Maybe the players aren't all that convinced by the club's vision? Just a thought.
I think we have to take Man City as a special case. If he was to leave us for Everton then I think we'd have cause for concern but the money they can offer him and the type of player they can sign for him to play alongside are out of our league and most players would be tempted by that prospect. It's just a sad economic fact of modern football.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on July 07, 2010, 09:46:52 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
It's getting to the stage where I'd be very dissapointed if we kept him.
Keep him and we plod along in 6th-8th.
Sell him and we can completely revamp the whole team and come back a new force. Atleast we'd have a bit of excitement. It's a policy that's worked for some of the top clubs in the big leagues all around Europe and has worked for Spurs the last few years.
£28million, bite their hands off. Replace for a third of the price, and add the right back and new centre forward we're craving.
Why would we plod along 6th-8th if we keep him? We can buy players without selling him and add to him. Its not like he's stinking our team out. All we need to do is keep him and add a couple of quality players which is quite possible.
Of course, if he does go we can take the opportunity to change things around and freshen it up, I know what you mean. But keeping Milner is still a very good idea by my reckoning. Especially if Man City take the piss and dont meet our valuation.
id love to know if there are funds for players,or is it a sell to buy policy this year,i get the feeling its the latter.selling Milner for 28m or say getting Ireland and 20m would let us change the side for the better imo.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on July 07, 2010, 09:49:32 AM
Milner's transfer is likely to be a straight cash deal shortly.
Any signings from Man City would happen at a later date, probably August.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 07, 2010, 09:51:26 AM
Quote from: "dublinfran"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
It's getting to the stage where I'd be very dissapointed if we kept him.
Keep him and we plod along in 6th-8th.
Sell him and we can completely revamp the whole team and come back a new force. Atleast we'd have a bit of excitement. It's a policy that's worked for some of the top clubs in the big leagues all around Europe and has worked for Spurs the last few years.
£28million, bite their hands off. Replace for a third of the price, and add the right back and new centre forward we're craving.
Why would we plod along 6th-8th if we keep him? We can buy players without selling him and add to him. Its not like he's stinking our team out. All we need to do is keep him and add a couple of quality players which is quite possible.
Of course, if he does go we can take the opportunity to change things around and freshen it up, I know what you mean. But keeping Milner is still a very good idea by my reckoning. Especially if Man City take the piss and dont meet our valuation.
id love to know if there are funds for players,or is it a sell to buy policy this year,i get the feeling its the latter.selling Milner for 28m or say getting Ireland and 20m would let us change the side for the better imo.
There is money to spend on the team. Randy has said so. We do not need to sell players in order to buy players although we will be looking to sell some players who arent needed which is just common sense.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on July 07, 2010, 09:54:19 AM
Quote from: "Moorski"
Milner's transfer is likely to be a straight cash deal shortly.
Any signings from Man City would happen at a later date, probably August.
some things never change with our manager so,why sign players so late.he's like someone hanging around the bargains in a shop..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 10:01:51 AM
Quote from: "Moorski"
Milner's transfer is likely to be a straight cash deal shortly.
Any signings from Man City would happen at a later date, probably August.
we'll see if milner asks for a transfer first. would be rather stupid to sell him before that, not to mention displaying questionable ambition.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on July 07, 2010, 10:02:00 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "dublinfran"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
It's getting to the stage where I'd be very dissapointed if we kept him.
Keep him and we plod along in 6th-8th.
Sell him and we can completely revamp the whole team and come back a new force. Atleast we'd have a bit of excitement. It's a policy that's worked for some of the top clubs in the big leagues all around Europe and has worked for Spurs the last few years.
£28million, bite their hands off. Replace for a third of the price, and add the right back and new centre forward we're craving.
Why would we plod along 6th-8th if we keep him? We can buy players without selling him and add to him. Its not like he's stinking our team out. All we need to do is keep him and add a couple of quality players which is quite possible.
Of course, if he does go we can take the opportunity to change things around and freshen it up, I know what you mean. But keeping Milner is still a very good idea by my reckoning. Especially if Man City take the piss and dont meet our valuation.
id love to know if there are funds for players,or is it a sell to buy policy this year,i get the feeling its the latter.selling Milner for 28m or say getting Ireland and 20m would let us change the side for the better imo.
There is money to spend on the team. Randy has said so. We do not need to sell players in order to buy players although we will be looking to sell some players who arent needed which is just common sense.
but do we have enough to say buy three £10m players,because thats what we'll be able to do by selling Milner,the only thing is though id rather us have our own transfers in before we sell.if other teams get wind of what we have sold milner for our targets will be way over priced..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2010, 10:09:13 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
There is money to spend on the team. Randy has said so. We do not need to sell players in order to buy players although we will be looking to sell some players who arent needed which is just common sense.
When asked about sell to buy, he said something along the lines of every team is in a sell to buy position to some extent, as they're all about managing their incomings / outgoings on squads.
He then went on to say (in his usual, likeable but slightly round-the-houses and not particularly clear way) that if we had a sell to buy policy but the manager found a vital player, that we'd break the policy.
I don't understand how the press then managed to spin this as "Villa haven't got a pot to piss in unless they sell someone", and why so many people on here are so happy to buy into it.
Like you said, it is blatantly obvious that we have quite a few non-performing, unused players on decent wages we need to get shot of.
If there's an argument for keeping people like Beye and his 40k a week on, it would have to be a pretty convincing one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on July 07, 2010, 10:23:47 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
There is money to spend on the team. Randy has said so. We do not need to sell players in order to buy players although we will be looking to sell some players who arent needed which is just common sense.
When asked about sell to buy, he said something along the lines of every team is in a sell to buy position to some extent, as they're all about managing their incomings / outgoings on squads.
He then went on to say (in his usual, likeable but slightly round-the-houses and not particularly clear way) that if we had a sell to buy policy but the manager found a vital player, that we'd break the policy.
I don't understand how the press then managed to spin this as "Villa haven't got a pot to piss in unless they sell someone", and why so many people on here are so happy to buy into it.
Like you said, it is blatantly obvious that we have quite a few non-performing, unused players on decent wages we need to get shot of.
If there's an argument for keeping people like Beye and his 40k a week on, it would have to be a pretty convincing one.
im all for getting rid of players like Beye,Heskey.im just saying do we have 30 or 40 million to spend on the top class players that we need o push us on.maybe like you say by selling the likes of Beye Heskey Davies and Reo we'd have a good lump plus whatever we have in the transfer budget.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2010, 10:26:33 AM
Rough guesses:
Beye 1m Davies 6m Heskey 2m Reo 5m Sidwell 3m
It isn't 30 million, no, but like you said it is a decent chunk - half of 30 million.
If we're going to have that much tied up in, say, NRC and Davies for them to be bit part players, we may as well move them on, promote from the reserves and use that cash towards improving the "business end" of the squad.
Not to mention the wages saved, too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 07, 2010, 10:26:36 AM
A lot depends how seriously we take Europe- if mon isn't going to go for it then we won't need a huge squad but if he Is then we need to strengthen significantly.
Either way we need 3 first teamers at least in midfield striker and right back , and if milner goes we would need 2 midfield signings.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 07, 2010, 10:33:42 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "gregnash"
think if he goes, we can guess there's'no exciting signings joining. i'm sure he'll ask what mon's plans are before making a decision. my guess is he'll hear the transfer target list and run a mile
Whilst I frequently agree with you, I think you've upped your level of gloominess to insupportable levels recently, Greg (your posts have been a bit like being stuck in a lift with Ronnie Irani whilst Muse are blasted in at top volume of late. No offence).
However, on this one, you've touched on a decent point. Last year we were told Barry was sitting down with MON to hear his plans. He left. This year we've heard Milner is doing the same. If he leaves, is it about the plans not ringing true?
Or is it all purely about money? And if it is about money, it is surprising to hear it from a player many have touted on here (me too, probably) as being "not the type to be all about the money".
Maybe the players aren't all that convinced by the club's vision? Just a thought.
I think we have to take Man City as a special case. If he was to leave us for Everton then I think we'd have cause for concern but the money they can offer him and the type of player they can sign for him to play alongside are out of our league and most players would be tempted by that prospect. It's just a sad economic fact of modern football.
Thing is, if Barry heard the plans and wanted to go anyway, does that make him an idiot (that amongst other things) as we actually had a good summer and even Martin's critics generally agree he signed some good players in 2009?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 07, 2010, 10:40:02 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Rough guesses:
Beye 1m Davies 6m Heskey 2m Reo 5m Sidwell 3m
It isn't 30 million, no, but like you said it is a decent chunk - half of 30 million.
If we're going to have that much tied up in, say, NRC and Davies for them to be bit part players, we may as well move them on, promote from the reserves and use that cash towards improving the "business end" of the squad.
Not to mention the wages saved, too.
Don't forget Young and Shorey. That should push it past the £20m mark, although with 1 year left in his contract we'd be doing well to get £5m for NRC.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 07, 2010, 11:02:40 AM
if a lot of the unused players are on massive wages, then no ones going to buy them, if Beye is 40k a week he could well be seeing out his contract as i cant imagine anyone paying him that sort of cash, unless he takes a drop.
i can see us going into the new season with many of our outcasts as they are on to much money and the clubs that will be interested ie lower prem and championship teams just havent got the money
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 07, 2010, 11:10:29 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "gregnash"
think if he goes, we can guess there's'no exciting signings joining. i'm sure he'll ask what mon's plans are before making a decision. my guess is he'll hear the transfer target list and run a mile
Whilst I frequently agree with you, I think you've upped your level of gloominess to insupportable levels recently, Greg (your posts have been a bit like being stuck in a lift with Ronnie Irani whilst Muse are blasted in at top volume of late. No offence).
However, on this one, you've touched on a decent point. Last year we were told Barry was sitting down with MON to hear his plans. He left. This year we've heard Milner is doing the same. If he leaves, is it about the plans not ringing true?
Or is it all purely about money? And if it is about money, it is surprising to hear it from a player many have touted on here (me too, probably) as being "not the type to be all about the money".
Maybe the players aren't all that convinced by the club's vision? Just a thought.
The point surely though, is what are the clubs plans in relation to Man City's. We clearly can't compete their transfer targets and realistic ambitions. The fact that we are sitting down with players shows that we think we can compete and have a plan, but in reality if you are a footballer who are more exciting and appealing at the moment, Villa or Man City?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on July 07, 2010, 11:44:43 AM
Milner will not be interested in Villa's plans, only his own, folk have to get it that he is intent on moving and we can't compete with certain clubs anymore, a fact as much as we all don't like it. Myself included.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 07, 2010, 11:52:55 AM
Yeah, Mysteryman said what you have a couple of days ago on VT.
I do not have to accept that we cant compete with certain clubs. Certainly not a club just playing real life FM. They may have more money than we have to spend but thank fuck, there's more to football than that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 07, 2010, 11:53:36 AM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "gregnash"
think if he goes, we can guess there's'no exciting signings joining. i'm sure he'll ask what mon's plans are before making a decision. my guess is he'll hear the transfer target list and run a mile
Whilst I frequently agree with you, I think you've upped your level of gloominess to insupportable levels recently, Greg (your posts have been a bit like being stuck in a lift with Ronnie Irani whilst Muse are blasted in at top volume of late. No offence).
However, on this one, you've touched on a decent point. Last year we were told Barry was sitting down with MON to hear his plans. He left. This year we've heard Milner is doing the same. If he leaves, is it about the plans not ringing true?
Or is it all purely about money? And if it is about money, it is surprising to hear it from a player many have touted on here (me too, probably) as being "not the type to be all about the money".
Maybe the players aren't all that convinced by the club's vision? Just a thought.
The point surely though, is what are the clubs plans in relation to Man City's. We clearly can't compete their transfer targets and realistic ambitions. The fact that we are sitting down with players shows that we think we can compete and have a plan, but in reality if you are a footballer who are more exciting and appealing at the moment, Villa or Man City?
In reality, the excitement factor comes a distant 2nd to their bank balance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 07, 2010, 11:55:55 AM
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 07, 2010, 11:58:35 AM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
£23m + Ireland + Onuoha?
I really dont want Milner to leave but... DONE!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 07, 2010, 11:58:51 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Yeah, Mysteryman said what you have a couple of days ago on VT.
I do not have to accept that we cant compete with certain clubs. Certainly not a club just playing real life FM. They may have more money than we have to spend but thank fuck, there's more to football than that.
Precisely. Money can buy you players, managers, facilities, unlimited rice pudding etc - but it cannot buy you time nor team spirit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on July 07, 2010, 12:00:24 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
Surprise, Surprise.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2010, 12:11:06 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
It doesn't say anything about Ireland & Onhura though does it? £23m plus add ons which I'm assuming relate to champs league/prem position etc etc?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 12:11:18 PM
if citeh offer that then mancini should be certified.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave P on July 07, 2010, 12:12:07 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
£23m + Ireland + Onuoha?
I really dont want Milner to leave but... DONE!!!
Agreed. That is far too good to turn down. I cant see an offer that good though !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 07, 2010, 12:25:46 PM
I dont know what to think. I have loved watching Milner develop, and think he has the heart and will to make a world class player. I usually want to wish the player all the best if he decides to leave and further his career, but if this happens, I dont think I could mean it. I may be alone here, but I think Barry went for the right reasons, he was sold a good story by Hughes about him being key to City's plans, and he had put in a great shift for us. But Milner, I dont think he will get enough continued development at City, or maybe even enough games. I think if it comes through he has made a poor decision. Best of luck James, hope you know what your doing. (if infact this is true)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 12:32:51 PM
Quote from: "Dave P"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
£23m + Ireland + Onuoha?
I really dont want Milner to leave but... DONE!!!
Agreed. That is far too good to turn down. I cant see an offer that good though !
mental if true. values milner at about 35m minimum.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 07, 2010, 12:33:13 PM
Quote
Aston Cilla Views have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
see ya !! Gimmie a shout james if you need a lift !!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 07, 2010, 12:33:46 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
Quote
Aston Cilla Views have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
see ya !! Gimmie a shout james if you need a lift !!
see ya !! Gimmie a shout james if you need a lift !!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 07, 2010, 12:37:57 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
£23m + Ireland + Onuoha?
I really dont want Milner to leave but... DONE!!!
Too fucking right.
That is absolutely insane if true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on July 07, 2010, 12:40:32 PM
£23 million plus add ons- these will be cash related depending on what success Citeh achieve, Any signings of Citeh players would be seperate transactions at a later date.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on July 07, 2010, 12:43:40 PM
Quote from: "PeterWithe"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
Surprise, Surprise.
Thats a lorra lorra laughs..
About as likely as the original (Danny) Blind Date we had a few years back !!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 07, 2010, 12:45:21 PM
Quote from: "Moorski"
£23 million plus add ons- these will be cash related depending on shat success Citeh achieve, Any signings of Citeh players would be seperate transactions at a later date.
sorry but i like the other made-up story more. they can bugger off with that offer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on July 07, 2010, 12:52:06 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
This would take the Milner deal to £40 million plus in valuation!
Not a chance of £23 million plus those 2 players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 07, 2010, 12:54:27 PM
Quote from: "Moorski"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
This would take the Milner deal to £40 million plus in valuation!
Not a chance of £23 million plus those 2 players.
They can have Sidwell to even things up maybe ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 07, 2010, 12:54:57 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
All that is is a link to a Mirror article, so about as likely and as well researched as your average episode on Eldorado.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on July 07, 2010, 01:03:16 PM
i cant see them offering £23 million plus ireland and onouha, but if that fantasy was accurate, we should snap their hands off...
if it is just 23 million and add ons, then they can fuck right off...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 07, 2010, 01:41:34 PM
ze plane ze plane, i think this threads skipped of onto Fantasy Ireland now
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 07, 2010, 01:43:56 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
Surely not true? I'd be happy with about half that money and those two players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bob on July 07, 2010, 01:54:18 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
sorry but i like the other made-up story more.
Ian Storey-Moore?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 07, 2010, 01:56:37 PM
Now he IS made up. Chief scout? Pah!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 07, 2010, 02:10:37 PM
Quote from: "Moorski"
£23 million plus add ons- these will be cash related depending on what success Citeh achieve, Any signings of Citeh players would be seperate transactions at a later date.
Is that a guess or genuine ITK? I'm assuming the latter.
Certainly makes much, much more sense than the other story.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on July 07, 2010, 02:34:58 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "Moorski"
£23 million plus add ons- these will be cash related depending on what success Citeh achieve, Any signings of Citeh players would be seperate transactions at a later date.
Is that a guess or genuine ITK? I'm assuming the latter.
Certainly makes much, much more sense than the other story.
If that story is true,I'll give him a crossbar on my bike to city..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 07, 2010, 02:39:19 PM
Quote from: "Des Little"
Now he IS made up. Chief scout? Pah!
Ooh you are cranking the clichetron 3000 today Des.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 07, 2010, 03:42:08 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
i cant see them offering £23 million plus ireland and onouha, but if that fantasy was accurate, we should snap their hands off...
if it is just 23 million and add ons, then they can fuck right off...
My mate reckons its more like £15m + Ireland & onouha I'd take it to be honest. I'll be pissed if we don't get ireland
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 07, 2010, 03:57:52 PM
I just noticed I'd said "Aston Cilla". I'm a daft twat.
Anyway...
If it is true (keep your heads on, people, it is the Mirror) then we should definately take it.
If they're going to say "have £23m and we'll give you some more if/when we qualify for Champions League" then they can fuck off.
O'Neill has said he doesn't want less than £30m. But again, these are just rumours.
To be fair though, it's nice to see Villa in the paper a bit more than "Yeah, that Birmingham team signed someone from somewhere ... Yeah, he's British."
Here's the Mirror story (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Manchester-City-transfer-news-City-prepare-final-bid-for-James-Milner-as-Aston-Villa-postpone-contract-talks-with-England-winger-Exclusive-article517851.html).
On a lighter note... (http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/England-U21-starlet-Dan-Gosling-walks-out-of-Everton-for-nothing-after-amazing-admin-error-Exclusive-article517849.html)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 07, 2010, 04:31:06 PM
so we want 30 mill, and they value milner at 20-23 mill, which is still more than he's actualy worth , but hey ho.
We tell City no deal, Milner puts in a transfer request -
1. we stick to our guns, and take a unhappy player into next season, one which everybody knows doesnt want to be here, and then sell him for reletive peanuts come the end of the season after his disapointing form.
2. give in take the money invest wisely in Ireland /Parker or such lilke, and rebuild
of coarse they could just offer 28-30 mill, we say thank you ,and all is well, but i doubt very much that this will happen
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 07, 2010, 04:37:04 PM
I think if their final offer was £23 m plus addons I'd probably still take it, but try and push them up to £25m 1st, Ireland would be ideal if we could do a part exchange plus £15m.
Would be nice to hear from mon soon and find out where exactly things stand, there seems to be a veil of silence around villa park at the moment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PhilGibson on July 07, 2010, 04:45:33 PM
Why should we take less than the money they paid for Lescott last summer? They paid £24 million for him and he was nothing more than decent for Everton.
Milner is the current young player of the year and is probably one of the few England players to return from the world cup with any plaudits.
We are the current contract owners of the player and they have loads of money and have proven in the past they will pay through the nose. Tough if they think they can get him on the cheap for them, if it was Man United or Chelsea coming in for him then maybe he would go for £23 million or whatever, but Man City have got history now of paying top dollar. So why not get what we can for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 07, 2010, 04:50:44 PM
Quote from: "PhilGibson"
Why should we take less than the money they paid for Lescott last summer? They paid £24 million for him and he was nothing more than decent for Everton.
Milner is the current young player of the year and is probably one of the few England players to return from the world cup with any plaudits.
We are the current contract owners of the player and they have loads of money and have proven in the past they will pay through the nose. Tough if they think they can get him on the cheap for them, if it was Man United or Chelsea coming in for him then maybe he would go for £23 million or whatever, but Man City have got history now of paying top dollar. So why not get what we can for him.
and what if they dont, and Milner puts in a transfer request ?, we think we can replace Milner with 25 mill with money to spare,
so can they, just buy someone else
to be honest, if i was in there shoes, and looking to spend big on players, i wouldnt be buying Milner at 25 mill, i can think of a whole host of players i would rather have
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 07, 2010, 04:56:57 PM
Quote from: "john e"
so we want 30 mill, and they value milner at 20-23 mill, which is still more than he's actualy worth , but hey ho.
We tell City no deal, Milner puts in a transfer request -
1. we stick to our guns, and take a unhappy player into next season, one which everybody knows doesnt want to be here, and then sell him for reletive peanuts come the end of the season after his disapointing form.
2. give in take the money invest wisely in Ireland /Parker or such lilke, and rebuild
of coarse they could just offer 28-30 mill, we say thank you ,and all is well, but i doubt very much that this will happen
1. Most players don't work like that... If he has a good season bigger clubs like Man United and Chelsea will come calling... If he has a bad season he'll most likely lose his England place and Man City will lose interest. So I don't think the unhappy player angle is much of an issue. Barry didn't have that bad a season did he after his Liverpool move failed to materialise?
2. I'd take the money if I'm honest. I think even the mooted offer is more than he is worth. From what I understand we have money to spend and it is not totally dependent on sales. We probably have enough to bring in a right back and a reasonable striker. Selling Milner could fund two quality additions in midfield like the two you mention which will more than make up for his departure.
I think it will happen but not at £30million. It will be somewhere in the middle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PhilGibson on July 07, 2010, 04:58:30 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "PhilGibson"
Why should we take less than the money they paid for Lescott last summer? They paid £24 million for him and he was nothing more than decent for Everton.
Milner is the current young player of the year and is probably one of the few England players to return from the world cup with any plaudits.
We are the current contract owners of the player and they have loads of money and have proven in the past they will pay through the nose. Tough if they think they can get him on the cheap for them, if it was Man United or Chelsea coming in for him then maybe he would go for £23 million or whatever, but Man City have got history now of paying top dollar. So why not get what we can for him.
and what if they dont, and Milner puts in a transfer request ?, we think we can replace Milner with 25 mill with money to spare,
so can they, just buy someone else
to be honest, if i was in there shoes, and looking to spend big on players, i wouldnt be buying Milner at 25 mill, i can think of a whole host of players i would rather have
Au contraire... Milner is obviously one of the "A" list of targets for Man City, they bid for him very early in the summer and when the quota rules come into play, then what is better than having one of the up and coming England internationals in your squad. If it also weakens your rivals then all the better is probably how they look at it.
Villa have shown through the Gareth Barry saga that they will not be pushed around and are prepared to take a loss if they do not think a deal is right for the club, they are not stupid and will play the game with Man City just as Everton did last summer.
I just do not think it is a good idea to jump at any offer that comes in, and idle threats of them looking elsewhere will probably be just that. If and when he does go we will have got a good deal out of it. Mr Milner is currently the hottest English player on the market so expect to pay top dollar if you are Man City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on July 07, 2010, 05:18:02 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
i cant see them offering £23 million plus ireland and onouha, but if that fantasy was accurate, we should snap their hands off...
if it is just 23 million and add ons, then they can fuck right off...
My mate reckons its more like £15m + Ireland & onouha I'd take it to be honest. I'll be pissed if we don't get ireland
i would take that too... i rate both ireland and onouha very highly, and then with 15 mil, we wouldnt be rinsed on fees when we try and buy someone else either...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: kipeye on July 07, 2010, 05:32:57 PM
Unless there is something other than money (he has already proved it is not his main motivation) I am stone certain he will not throw his toys out of the pram and ask to leave and he will continue to give his best to the club. Nothing he has said or done previously tells me otherwise.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 07, 2010, 05:46:45 PM
anyone got any idea what the Man City forums are saying about the Milner transfer ? i would suspect that they are not jumping up and down in the street about the prospect of having Englands hottest available player about to join them, i would imagine there reaction is similar to that of Barry
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 07, 2010, 05:52:20 PM
From Blue Moon
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So our pursuit of James Milner still appears to be on and all sorts of potential player plus cash deals are being rumoured.
At the same time we are seeing the expected talk about the real stars of this world cup being sort after and the usual transfer rumours.
Out of all of this the reported possible price of Sneijder who is being linked with our skint neighbours is 25million.
Just got me wondering are we really about to spend that sort of money on Milner when the likes of world class players like Sneijder/ would cost the same.
The only explanation is the home grown benefit of Milner as clubs look at the new regulations.
Any thoughts on this........
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Yeah it is a bit puzzling! I thought about that with the Silva deal too, what was it £24 million... How can we get David Silva for £24 mill and be expected/want to pay 25-30 mill for Milner, it's beyond me. He's worth 15 mill tops!!! IMO
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I personally don't want us to sign Milner. We have bought our midfielders for this window surely. And it is definitely a step forward with the signings made. I remember getting excited when we signed Emile Mpenza ( a forward i know ) But sorry Milner doesn't do it for me. Lets Just Bring in Kolarov, also i'd personally prefer Richards over Zabby. Buy One more Forward in Torres/Suarez ? / Dzeko. Then i think we will be a force.
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milner will bring something to city that sneijder can't, prem experience, he will want to play for us, won't see playing for us as a step down(which sneijder might), can play anywhere, does not need to settle in a new country, is the right side of 25, a full england international and possible england captain he will also compliment the signings we have made silva etc with his energy and never say die attitude, throw in a decent left and right foot, strong in the tackle and the ability to deliver a decent ball and i would say he would be more value for money than sneijder
they are totally different players so not fair to compair them really, milner will have a big impact on our club next season if he signs and will end up being a steal for me even at £30mill
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i wouldn t mind wesley but not that yorkshire bull for £30m
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: D.boy on July 07, 2010, 05:53:37 PM
I wonder what the chances are of Man City going after Sneijder. I know he has been linked to Man U so there is the "screw you" appeal plus he is having a very good world cup and with money no object who knows. Would that divert them away from Milner were it to happen?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 07, 2010, 05:57:01 PM
And some more of a different thread.
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For a rubbish i can only cross or run around like a mad man milner i wouldn't even pay more than 12m pounds for him he is pants and he is a young gerrard without the pace,the technical ability and the imagination,yes he can strike a ball from time to time but i am sure i could do to if i trained as often as he does.
I would keep both richards and micah and give them wayne under the bridge and ireland + 12m pounds,we cannot assume that boateng and co are going to be able to cut it here and for all we know boby mancini could out of the job by december so richards and onuoha stay until then because your fortunes could soon change.
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Ireland in a straight swap would be fair as i think they are pretty much at the same level. Both had one great season and the rest has been potential. But Milners great year was last season wheras Stevies was the season previous. Therefore We will pay through the arse for a player similar to one we already have.
On the basis of recent form Ireland + £5m would be fair. Ireland and Ned + £5M is MORE than fair. So the proposed Ireland and Ned + £15M for Milner is bollocks of the highest order and we should tell them to smoke monkey pole.
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hire a head shrink and sort Stevie out....many levels better than Milner when he's on song. and it would be a lot cheaper.
They rate Ireland a lot more... I can't be bothered reading more as I need to go out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 07, 2010, 06:08:20 PM
Quote from: "Dave P"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Aston Cilla Views (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/07/06/speculation-milner-final-bid/) have said that Man City are about to ready one final bid. £23 + Ireland & Ohnura.
£23m + Ireland + Onuoha?
I really dont want Milner to leave but... DONE!!!
Agreed. That is far too good to turn down. I cant see an offer that good though !
Just to clarify, is this being reported anywhere anywhere other than Ian "what a dimwit" Robathan's blog and then repeated elsewhere?
If not, then I think it's safe to ignore it completely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on July 07, 2010, 06:17:00 PM
Seems like Man City fans don't want him and we don't want to sell him. So everyone's happy then?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 07, 2010, 06:28:13 PM
Quote from: "john e"
to be honest, if i was in there shoes, and looking to spend big on players, i wouldnt be buying Milner at 25 mill, i can think of a whole host of players i would rather have
I agree john.
But part of their motivation is to scupper a rival. As per Liverpool with Keane and the Barry interest, and Citeh themselves last year with Lescott and Barry.
It's not just taking players to improve their squad, they've got that much money that they can afford to bench a few of that lot should they so wish. Better on their bench or in the stands than performing well at clubs around them, they might reason.
Fcuk 'em.
If that's their approach lets sting them for all we can. If enough clubs do it and -if after a while- the Arabs have seen no tangible evidence of success, they might decide to get another hobby. Go and kill baseball or summat.
There must be a limit even for those cants as to how often they're prepared to get burned financially. With Garry Cook, Brian Marwood and Spoonface as their wise counsel, it could get a lot worse before it gets better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 07, 2010, 08:38:10 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "john e"
to be honest, if i was in there shoes, and looking to spend big on players, i wouldnt be buying Milner at 25 mill, i can think of a whole host of players i would rather have
I agree john.
But part of their motivation is to scupper a rival. As per Liverpool with Keane and the Barry interest, and Citeh themselves last year with Lescott and Barry.
It's not just taking players to improve their squad, they've got that much money that they can afford to bench a few of that lot should they so wish. Better on their bench or in the stands than performing well at clubs around them, they might reason.
Fcuk 'em.
If that's their approach lets sting them for all we can. If enough clubs do it and -if after a while- the Arabs have seen no tangible evidence of success, they might decide to get another hobby. Go and kill baseball or summat.
There must be a limit even for those cants as to how often they're prepared to get burned financially. With Garry Cook, Brian Marwood and Spoonface as their wise counsel, it could get a lot worse before it gets better.
i think we both agree about Milner and his worth.
the only difference is that you think we can rinse a good bag of money out of Man City cus they will pay whatever we ask, look at Lescot etc,
whereas i think it might prove a little more difficult to get anything more than 23 mill out of them.
we will just have to wait and see how it plays out
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid1964 on July 08, 2010, 08:37:40 AM
I would expect the deal to be done once Milner returns from his hols.
At no point has Milner said he does not want to go and from what I have heard he does want to go! so I think in the best interests of both Villa and Milner the deal will be done.
Would not be suprised if we recieved say £20m and Onunuha (not sure if spelled this correctly)
Just hope that the money is spent wisely! and not on players who just want to build up there pension pot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: badluckeric(gates) on July 08, 2010, 08:55:52 AM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "PhilGibson"
Why should we take less than the money they paid for Lescott last summer? They paid £24 million for him and he was nothing more than decent for Everton.
Milner is the current young player of the year and is probably one of the few England players to return from the world cup with any plaudits.
We are the current contract owners of the player and they have loads of money and have proven in the past they will pay through the nose. Tough if they think they can get him on the cheap for them, if it was Man United or Chelsea coming in for him then maybe he would go for £23 million or whatever, but Man City have got history now of paying top dollar. So why not get what we can for him.
and what if they dont, and Milner puts in a transfer request ?, we think we can replace Milner with 25 mill with money to spare,
so can they, just buy someone else
to be honest, if i was in there shoes, and looking to spend big on players, i wouldnt be buying Milner at 25 mill, i can think of a whole host of players i would rather have
1. young player of the year 2.International 3. British-and in the next few years that will be important.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 08, 2010, 09:07:32 AM
Quote from: "badluckeric(gates)"
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "PhilGibson"
Why should we take less than the money they paid for Lescott last summer? They paid £24 million for him and he was nothing more than decent for Everton.
Milner is the current young player of the year and is probably one of the few England players to return from the world cup with any plaudits.
We are the current contract owners of the player and they have loads of money and have proven in the past they will pay through the nose. Tough if they think they can get him on the cheap for them, if it was Man United or Chelsea coming in for him then maybe he would go for £23 million or whatever, but Man City have got history now of paying top dollar. So why not get what we can for him.
and what if they dont, and Milner puts in a transfer request ?, we think we can replace Milner with 25 mill with money to spare,
so can they, just buy someone else
to be honest, if i was in there shoes, and looking to spend big on players, i wouldnt be buying Milner at 25 mill, i can think of a whole host of players i would rather have
1. young player of the year 2.International 3. British-and in the next few years that will be important.
you convinced me, maybe we should try and push them up to 35 mill then ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 08, 2010, 09:09:38 AM
as i said ages ago and i am still saying now, james milner isnt going anywhere !!
he is one of them old school players who enjoys his football and enjoys a challenge. he doesnt seem like the type of player that would go anywhere for stupid money and finally he is a clever lad and he as well as everyone else can see man city are just throwning money about left right and centre (TWO HUNDERED THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK on tore, LOL) He knows it will be a massive struggle to get into the team due to all the similary type players they are buying and he doesnt want to be in a rotation system and next season when man city dont qualify 4th again due to all the big time chariles they have in their team they will get bored with what they have and go and spend stupid money on someone else and will probably end up paying 500k a week for someone.
and another thing , if i was a man city player i would be rather pi$$ed off if someone who was doing the same job as me was on over 100k mor ethan me a week !!
anyone agree ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 08, 2010, 09:11:39 AM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
But part of their motivation is to scupper a rival. As per Liverpool with Keane and the Barry interest, and Citeh themselves last year with Lescott and Barry.
It's not just taking players to improve their squad, they've got that much money that they can afford to bench a few of that lot should they so wish. Better on their bench or in the stands than performing well at clubs around them, they might reason.
I'm not syre that really falls into their thinking. You could argue that losing Gabby would hurt us more, so why not target him? And selling us Dunne wouldn't be the best idea if they're trying to weaken us. We all agree that selling Milner for £20m + Ireland would improve us, so surely that works against the theory as well?
They have enough money to get who they want, so they can go out and buy better players than we have in every position without needing to nobble us first.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2010, 09:12:45 AM
pMK1981 -- sorry mate.. but Jimmy wants to go. Expect it to be done when he gets back from his hols.. when I get any news I will post what I know..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 08, 2010, 09:23:30 AM
I know it's been touched on already, but what impact would moving to Man City have on Milner's international career?
I can see England going through a transitional period for the next couple of years, with lots of players at and approaching 30 being phased out, which would include Lampard and Gerrard. Jimmy is the natural (and only?) player in that mould coming through, so has a great opportunity to get in at the groundfloor of a new look England. Now, would that be jeopardised by being at a club where he'll be in and out of the side and played in different positions?
Were he to stay with us, he'd be playing week in week out in central midfield in a top 6 side, giving every opportunity to cement himself there for England. Then, presuming he does that, he could move in a year or two for probably even more money and go there as a true superstar, so less likely to be rotated in and out. He may want to go as others have said, but thinking longterm he might just want to 'complete his apprenticeship' here first and then make his move as the finished article.
And i wonder if Capello has had a word in his ear along those lines??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2010, 09:33:39 AM
I agree John M , and hopefully with Jimmys holiday and time to reflect he might change his mind, I will soon find out . But before he on hols went he wanted to go .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 08, 2010, 09:34:49 AM
Quote from: "John M"
And i wonder if Capello has had a word in his ear along those lines??
Can he speak Yorkshire , he cant even speak English ...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 08, 2010, 09:46:37 AM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
I agree John M , and hopefully with Jimmys holiday and time to reflect he might change his mind, I will soon find out . But before he on hols went he wanted to go .
And I'm sure he still does, but part of being professional is sometimes not doing the things you want to do for the benefit of your career.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 08, 2010, 11:54:29 AM
Get as much cash as possible for Milner + Ireland.
Then test West Ham's resolve on Scott Parker.
2 better midfield players than James Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 08, 2010, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Get as much cash as possible for Milner + Ireland.
Then test West Ham's resolve on Scott Parker.
2 better midfield players than James Milner.
Is the right answer. Not sure about the last bit about them being better but they'd be great additions
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 08, 2010, 12:28:34 PM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Get as much cash as possible for Milner + Ireland.
I agree, and quickly, before they realise he isn't THAT good.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on July 08, 2010, 01:33:28 PM
I'm pretty sure I'm putting 2 and 2 together and getting 5, but reading this line from the article on the OS about Richard Dunne
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Laursen also believes Stan Petrov's brilliance as an anchor man will be key for Villa next season as he allows the likes of Ashley Young, Stewart Downing and Gabby Agbonlahor to attack with abandon.
No mention of Jimmy attacking with abandon there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 08, 2010, 01:41:52 PM
Manure are in for Stephen Ireland apparently.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cdward on July 08, 2010, 02:00:11 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
and another thing , if i was a man city player i would be rather pi$$ed off if someone who was doing the same job as me was on over 100k mor ethan me a week !!
anyone agree ?
ahh, but said Man citeh players could also take the view that, they are on more money there than if they were somewhere else. I'm sure Barry will still be happy on his mega money, even if Milner/Torres/Ya Ya came in on mega mega money
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 08, 2010, 03:55:04 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Manure are in for Stephen Ireland apparently.
That was in the Sunday Mirror (I think?) a week or two ago. I just can't see it as from a purely egotistical point of view, would they sign an unwanted Man City player?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on July 08, 2010, 05:45:04 PM
I think Fergie would love nothing more than taking Ireland, instilling the discipline into his game he needs and turning him into one of the most prolific goal scoring midfielders in the league.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ronshirt on July 08, 2010, 06:33:56 PM
I think Milner might end up at Liverpool. Any or all of Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres would provide the cash. Plus he'd be guaranteed a shirt almost. I think at Man City he could just disappear and Milner must have that at the back of his mind.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 08, 2010, 06:47:48 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
as i said ages ago and i am still saying now, james milner isnt going anywhere !!
he is one of them old school players who enjoys his football and enjoys a challenge. he doesnt seem like the type of player that would go anywhere for stupid money and finally he is a clever lad and he as well as everyone else can see man city are just throwning money about left right and centre (TWO HUNDERED THOUSAND POUNDS A WEEK on tore, LOL)
Where's his "I'm happy at Villa" statement then? We haven't heard a peep from him since he started getting linked with all and sundry.
I'm sick to death of this now. He's obviously had his head turned by Barry and all the other tossers in the England camp, the sooner we get a good deal for him the better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 08, 2010, 07:21:32 PM
Quote from: "ronshirt"
I think Milner might end up at Liverpool. Any or all of Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres would provide the cash. Plus he'd be guaranteed a shirt almost. I think at Man City he could just disappear and Milner must have that at the back of his mind.
and what would he do at Liverpool with a worse squad than at Villa, feed Ngog or Gabby ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 08, 2010, 07:23:50 PM
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
I think Milner might end up at Liverpool. Any or all of Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres would provide the cash. Plus he'd be guaranteed a shirt almost. I think at Man City he could just disappear and Milner must have that at the back of his mind.
and what would he do at Liverpool with a worse squad than at Villa, feed Ngog or Gabby ?
Torres or Heskey
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 08, 2010, 07:30:28 PM
The difference there is I doubt either of those players will be remaining with their present clubs into the new season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 08, 2010, 07:38:25 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
I think Milner might end up at Liverpool. Any or all of Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres would provide the cash. Plus he'd be guaranteed a shirt almost. I think at Man City he could just disappear and Milner must have that at the back of his mind.
and what would he do at Liverpool with a worse squad than at Villa, feed Ngog or Gabby ?
Torres or Heskey
Torres will be there then ?
then have a bond of worth I think £80m up soon so exactly where will £30m come from
Liverpool basically have one quality forward and thats it
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 08, 2010, 09:08:04 PM
I would just like to confirm that I am happy at Aston Villa and have renewed my "contract" for seat 13 in T1 despite what you may have read in the Press!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 08, 2010, 09:21:33 PM
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
I think Milner might end up at Liverpool. Any or all of Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres would provide the cash. Plus he'd be guaranteed a shirt almost. I think at Man City he could just disappear and Milner must have that at the back of his mind.
and what would he do at Liverpool with a worse squad than at Villa, feed Ngog or Gabby ?
Torres or Heskey
Torres will be there then ?
then have a bond of worth I think £80m up soon so exactly where will £30m come from
Liverpool basically have one quality forward and thats it
dont know if he will be, but it doesnt sound like Barca or Real can afford him, so that leaves City, Again
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 08, 2010, 09:29:49 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
as i said ages ago and i am still saying now, james milner isnt going anywhere !!
Oh yes he is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 08, 2010, 09:30:36 PM
I'd just like it sorted, it's getting boring now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 08, 2010, 09:32:26 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
I think Milner might end up at Liverpool. Any or all of Mascherano, Gerrard and Torres would provide the cash. Plus he'd be guaranteed a shirt almost. I think at Man City he could just disappear and Milner must have that at the back of his mind.
and what would he do at Liverpool with a worse squad than at Villa, feed Ngog or Gabby ?
Torres or Heskey
Torres will be there then ?
then have a bond of worth I think £80m up soon so exactly where will £30m come from
Liverpool basically have one quality forward and thats it
dont know if he will be, but it doesnt sound like Barca or Real can afford him, so that leaves City, Again
and Chelsea, Roman would splash out for Torres
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 09, 2010, 01:16:28 AM
That bell end Nursey is still gnawing his favourite bone:
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Aston Villa have told Man City they will accept a player in part-exchange for James Milner.
City are set to return with a formal second offer for Villa's England midfielder later this month.
But the two clubs are struggling to agree a fee after City's first bid of £18million plus £2m in add-ons was rejected.
Villa are holding out for between £25-28m for the versatile midfielder, who has 11 caps.
But they have told City that Villa boss Martin O'Neill does fancy several fringe members of the Eastlands' club's squad.
Now it is increasingly likely Villa may take cash plus one of City's out-of-favour stars like Stephen Ireland, 23, or Nedum Onuoha, 23, in part-exchange.
O'Neill will need another attacking central midfielder to replace Milner, which makes Ireland attractive.
And Villa are also expected to buy a new right-back this summer with Luke Young heading for the exit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 09, 2010, 09:55:58 AM
Looks like this media hype frenzy that surrounds 'flavour of the month' players is going to benefit Villa for a change. You'd think Milner was Lionel Messi, the way he's been built up.
Ireland for Villa PLEASE!!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on July 09, 2010, 11:01:04 AM
Apparently Man City are preparing a last 'take it or leave it' offer. Haven't we already had a couple of them?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 09, 2010, 12:06:07 PM
It makes me laugh. They clearly want him, and have more money than any club (or even country) could ever wish to have and they're pissing about with 'final offers' that are about 16p more than their first offer. Clowns.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 09, 2010, 12:22:30 PM
They havent made another bid since the first one was turned down a month or two ago. So for all this talk of preparing another bid (presumably in some sort of bid kitchen) it hasn't happened yet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: E I Adio on July 09, 2010, 12:37:02 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
They havent made another bid since the first one was turned down a month or two ago. So for all this talk of preparing another bid (presumably in some sort of bid kitchen) it hasn't happened yet.
I think we're just waiting for the swoop now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 09, 2010, 01:19:27 PM
This is getting extremely old now, as others have already said.
Everyone is just waiting for City. MON has a strong idea of what he wants for Jimmy, and if City don't offer that then MON will just tell them to fack off.
It's that simple.
City have been told what to give Villa - they can afford it - so why the fuck not?
If Milner does go then he will severely regret it, he'll be a fringe player, much like those O'Neill wants in return. The only solid football he'll get is in training.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: el león Benidorm on July 09, 2010, 01:27:20 PM
Had enough of this now. Its making my summer a misery.
Citeh need to put up or shut up.
If jimmy wants to leave, he can as long as we get enough for him to start again.
End of...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 09, 2010, 01:30:59 PM
Here here.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: IFWaters on July 09, 2010, 01:36:31 PM
anyone know when Jimmy is back off his hols ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on July 09, 2010, 01:38:08 PM
Couple of weeks time apparently
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 09, 2010, 04:35:59 PM
in better news, this story is keeping a lot of shit reporters off the dole. Anyone that can afford 200000/week for Yaya Toure just in wages, can afford to make a proper offer, or just move on. Which makes me think nothing at all has happened since the first bid. Nothing, nada, bo diddley, zip, bupkuss, fuck all
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 09, 2010, 04:38:38 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
in better news, this story is keeping a lot of shit reporters off the dole. Anyone that can afford 200000/week for Yaya Toure just in wages, can afford to make a proper offer, or just move on. Which makes me think nothing at all has happened since the first bid. Nothing, nada, bo diddley, zip, bupkuss, fuck all
It was never going to during the World Cup - I think it was reported pre-tournament that Capello didn't want any of his players distracted by transfer negotiations. Now with Jimmy on holiday it's also quiet, but if it happens I think it will be done soon after he gets back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 09, 2010, 04:46:34 PM
Capello also said he was taking in-form, uninjured players. Id rather he had opened the doors to players that wanted to do any negotiations, at least then they had excuses for not giving a hairy shit on the pitch (Cole and Milner, I dont mean you two)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 09, 2010, 05:56:26 PM
Isn't he back next week? If we could get Ireland and Onouha and £10-12m I would be happy with the deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 09, 2010, 06:07:22 PM
If you'd have said to me 2 months ago that on our terms we could swap Milner for Ireland, I probably would have.
The only thing now is it makes us look like a selling club if we let him go. And it's not good for us to be losing our best players.
£10million to bring in a forward and Onuoha would get me over that though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: magic monks on July 09, 2010, 06:54:35 PM
James Milner has been fantastic for us, but if we can have Ireland + £10m that represents excellent value in my book.
We all know Villa needs something a bit different and Stephen Ireland is exactly that, that bit of flair and creativity which we so desperately needed last season, the potential to change a game. At 24 too (in a few weeks), great player, great deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 09, 2010, 07:01:46 PM
15m plus Ireland would be better
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: luke25 on July 09, 2010, 07:11:07 PM
Ideally we'd have Milner, Petrov and Ireland in a midfield 3
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 09, 2010, 07:13:43 PM
Ideally we want the U.A.E to go bust.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 10, 2010, 01:13:34 PM
Carlos has said on his Facebook account.That he doesn't think he's leaving but doesn't know for sure :-/
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 10, 2010, 01:20:43 PM
Or words to that effect in his pigeon English
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 10, 2010, 01:51:01 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
If you'd have said to me 2 months ago that on our terms we could swap Milner for Ireland, I probably would have.
The only thing now is it makes us look like a selling club if we let him go. And it's not good for us to be losing our best players.
£10million to bring in a forward and Onuoha would get me over that though.
Yep that would make for another season of thrilling football at Villa Park. Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team? Onuha, just what we need another centre half playing as a full back. Irelands a decent enough player but we need a hell of a lot more than him to improve upon last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 10, 2010, 02:43:12 PM
He'd be the creative spark we've missed since Merson IMO.
I rate him very highly and he'd help us turn that awful home form around to something more watchable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 10, 2010, 11:44:57 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team?
I know what you mean Richard Dunne has been a disaster.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 11, 2010, 12:09:53 AM
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Or words to that effect in his pigeon English
Getting that exclusive is quite a coo for the site.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 11, 2010, 12:31:41 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
But part of their motivation is to scupper a rival. As per Liverpool with Keane and the Barry interest, and Citeh themselves last year with Lescott and Barry.
It's not just taking players to improve their squad, they've got that much money that they can afford to bench a few of that lot should they so wish. Better on their bench or in the stands than performing well at clubs around them, they might reason.
I'm not syre that really falls into their thinking. You could argue that losing Gabby would hurt us more, so why not target him? And selling us Dunne wouldn't be the best idea if they're trying to weaken us. We all agree that selling Milner for £20m + Ireland would improve us, so surely that works against the theory as well?
Or it could be that they just criminally undervalued and misjudged the value and worth of a player like Dunne (and hopefully Ireland) already on their books and overvalue talent at other clubs.
As for Gabby, I think most realize he has his limitations -even outside of B6. Whilst they might want to make strategic signings to weaken a rival, thats generally going to be a rival clubs better players.
Milner was seen as our go-to guy last year, and his profile is attractive to them. Young, mid-20's and starting to feature in the England first XI.
If Ash -or indeed Gabby himself- had had that kind of succesful campaign, and Milners year had been more like his previous one, it's very likely that we'd be seeing endless, mindnumbing speculation about their imminent switch to Eastlands instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 11, 2010, 12:38:10 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Or words to that effect in his pigeon English
Getting that exclusive is quite a coo for the site.
It's a feather in our nest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on July 11, 2010, 06:35:23 AM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Or words to that effect in his pigeon English
Getting that exclusive is quite a coo for the site.
It's a feather in our nest.
We're homing in on the truth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: willywombat on July 11, 2010, 06:56:51 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
If you'd have said to me 2 months ago that on our terms we could swap Milner for Ireland, I probably would have.
The only thing now is it makes us look like a selling club if we let him go. And it's not good for us to be losing our best players.
£10million to bring in a forward and Onuoha would get me over that though.
Yep that would make for another season of thrilling football at Villa Park. Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team? Onuha, just what we need another centre half playing as a full back. Irelands a decent enough player but we need a hell of a lot more than him to improve upon last season.
I fully agree, we should be signing Christiano Ronaldo, Lionel Messi and Wesley Snejider instead. I reckon a Bid for Wayne Rooney might just work too :)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 11, 2010, 10:13:31 AM
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Or words to that effect in his pigeon English
Oh dear: wrong homophone... BE will get in a right flap when he reads that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 11, 2010, 11:18:26 AM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team?
I know what you mean Richard Dunne has been a disaster.
Dunne been solid enough. Great start but faded as the season went on although that is probably due to the fact that our manager decided to stick with Collins when he was off form rather than giving somebody else a chance.
Solid, the typical MON signing, nothing spectacular just reliable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 11, 2010, 11:26:36 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team?
I know what you mean Richard Dunne has been a disaster.
Dunne been solid enough. Great start but faded as the season went on although that is probably due to the fact that our manager decided to stick with Collins when he was off form rather than giving somebody else a chance.
Solid, the typical MON signing, nothing spectacular just reliable.
You do know we're talking about Richard Dunne who plays for Aston Villa don't you? The one voted by his fellow professional in the PFA team of the year. Only the description you've given seems to relate to another player entirely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: paul_e on July 11, 2010, 11:33:52 AM
I love the way some peopleon here twist anything to suit their argument, surely "nothing spectacular just reliable." is pretty much a perfec description of what you want in a central defender.
Signing outcasts from Man city is nothing to complain about, they've gone down the silly route of signing players on reputation not ability and are going to be dumping players who are just as good because they're not high profile enough. You can't compare them to any properly run normal club, it's like Real Madrid last summer who signed Kaka and Benzema for around 80m to replace Sneijder and Huntelaar who they sold for 25m, is there really over 50m in difference there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 11, 2010, 11:34:56 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team?
I know what you mean Richard Dunne has been a disaster.
Dunne been solid enough. Great start but faded as the season went on although that is probably due to the fact that our manager decided to stick with Collins when he was off form rather than giving somebody else a chance.
Solid, the typical MON signing, nothing spectacular just reliable.
You do know we're talking about Richard Dunne who plays for Aston Villa don't you? The one voted by his fellow professional in the PFA team of the year. Only the description you've given seems to relate to another player entirely.
Yeah thats the one. As I said he faded due to the fact that he didn't have a partner at centre half for the second half of the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 11, 2010, 11:41:03 AM
Absolute cobblers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 11, 2010, 11:44:03 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Absolute cobblers.
Yawn......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 11, 2010, 11:48:01 AM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Absolute cobblers.
Yawn......
Irony......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 11, 2010, 11:49:33 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Absolute cobblers.
Yawn......
Irony......
Touche........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 11, 2010, 12:07:20 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team?
I know what you mean Richard Dunne has been a disaster.
Dunne been solid enough. Great start but faded as the season went on although that is probably due to the fact that our manager decided to stick with Collins when he was off form rather than giving somebody else a chance.
Solid, the typical MON signing, nothing spectacular just reliable.
You do know we're talking about Richard Dunne who plays for Aston Villa don't you? The one voted by his fellow professional in the PFA team of the year. Only the description you've given seems to relate to another player entirely.
Perhaps it's this Dunn (http://www.astonvillaplayerdatabase.com/403.html)?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 11, 2010, 12:15:00 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Why does everybody think signing Man Citys rejects is a good thing for our team?
I know what you mean Richard Dunne has been a disaster.
Dunne been solid enough. Great start but faded as the season went on although that is probably due to the fact that our manager decided to stick with Collins when he was off form rather than giving somebody else a chance.
Solid, the typical MON signing, nothing spectacular just reliable.
You do know we're talking about Richard Dunne who plays for Aston Villa don't you? The one voted by his fellow professional in the PFA team of the year. Only the description you've given seems to relate to another player entirely.
Yeah thats the one. As I said he faded due to the fact that he didn't have a partner at centre half for the second half of the season.
Well, there's your somewhat interesting theory or there's the fact that he was struggling with an achilles injury from March onwards*.
You decide.
*whether he should have been playing on when CB was somewhere we had decent cover for is another matter.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: gerags on July 11, 2010, 03:01:08 PM
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: berneboy on July 11, 2010, 03:15:56 PM
Quote from: "VillaSubmariner"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Or words to that effect in his pigeon English
Getting that exclusive is quite a coo for the site.
It's a feather in our nest.
We're homing in on the truth.
Sorry to spoil the fun but I thought it was PIDGIN English!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 11, 2010, 03:19:25 PM
Quote from: "gerags"
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
Sounds like a load of carp to me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 11, 2010, 03:19:50 PM
Wesley Sneijder was cast off from Real Madrid when they spent big money. That does not make Sneijder a bad player.
The same token applies to Ireland. I looked at Blue Moon a while back and most of them on what I read would have preferred to keep Ireland than sign Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nigel Macdougall on July 11, 2010, 03:30:06 PM
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
What was he drinking ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 11, 2010, 04:39:45 PM
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
What, Milner's having an affair with your friend!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 11, 2010, 05:10:30 PM
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
He's tea total isn't he? Were they in Starbucks?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2010, 05:59:52 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
He's tea total isn't he? Were they in Starbucks?
Tea-total people can go into pubs, too, Chris.
Admittedly, seems a bit pointless to me, but they've been known to do it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 11, 2010, 06:02:58 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Dunne been solid enough. Great start but faded as the season went on although that is probably due to the fact that our manager decided to stick with Collins when he was off form rather than giving somebody else a chance.
Solid, the typical MON signing, nothing spectacular just reliable.
Don't agree with any of that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ronshirt on July 11, 2010, 06:04:53 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Tea-total people can go into pubs, too, Chris.
Admittedly, seems a bit pointless to me, but they've been known to do it.
A bit like Heskey going into the opposition's penalty area.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on July 11, 2010, 06:05:54 PM
I reckon on the strength of the World Cup performances he's turned in we should try to get De Jong instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: gerags on July 11, 2010, 06:15:50 PM
Quote from: "Nigel Macdougall"
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
What was he drinking ?
Isotonic Lucozade.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 11, 2010, 06:18:39 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
He's tea total isn't he? Were they in Starbucks?
Tea-total people can go into pubs, too, Chris.
Admittedly, seems a bit pointless to me, but they've been known to do it.
For a game of pool perhaps?
Not my mate Big Jack though. I once asked him if he fancied a game, and he replied "I come here to drink, not to play fuckin' games".
Charming.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 11, 2010, 06:20:56 PM
Quote from: "Nigel Macdougall"
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
What was he drinking ?
Wine made from water somebody brought in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nigel Macdougall on July 11, 2010, 06:25:01 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "Nigel Macdougall"
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
What was he drinking ?
Wine made from water somebody brought in.
Was Brian Little there aswell ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 11, 2010, 07:04:09 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
He's tea total isn't he? Were they in Starbucks?
Tea-total people can go into pubs, too, Chris.
Admittedly, seems a bit pointless to me, but they've been known to do it.
For a game of pool perhaps?
Not my mate Big Jack though. I once asked him if he fancied a game, and he replied "I come here to drink, not to play fuckin' games".
Charming.
That's my stock response too. But in my case it's because I'm really, really poor at pool.
In polite company I might flower it up though, and say I've 'retired.'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2010, 10:32:13 PM
I get a window of genius at two pints, but by the end of the third it's usually well gone.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 11, 2010, 10:34:38 PM
Milner is abroad on holiday by all accounts.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richardhubbard on July 11, 2010, 10:35:43 PM
Quote from: "gerags"
I had a text off a mate late yesterday afternoon from a mate in Leeds who was drinking with Milner.
She quizzed him for me and said he was very coy about the whole affair.
Your mate is seeing things, Milner tee total!!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 11, 2010, 10:36:54 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Milner is a broad on holiday by all accounts.
Each to his own.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 11, 2010, 10:44:09 PM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Milner is a broad on holiday by all accounts.
Each to his own.
James Milner is just about the most unlikely looking trans-gender holiday fantasist footballer I can think of.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 11, 2010, 10:49:17 PM
You havent lived until you see our Jimmy do Hello Dolly, then you'll wish you were dead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 11, 2010, 10:50:45 PM
He covers an impressive amount of ground as a footballer with his 'never say die' attitude, but my oh my, can that boy belt out a show tune.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 11, 2010, 10:57:53 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
He covers an impressive amount of ground as a footballer
He's looking for that pearl earring he dropped on his debut.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 12, 2010, 09:40:09 AM
Quote from: "Rancid custard"
I reckon on the strength of the World Cup performances he's turned in we should try to get De Jong instead.
After the World Cup he's had, should City sell him the player will be after a CL club, and most likely get it in either Spain or Italy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 12, 2010, 10:57:14 PM
After the world cup final he had I dare say a Martial Arts club will pay big money for him!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 12, 2010, 11:33:41 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
After the world cup final he had I dare say a Martial Arts club will pay big money for him!
Last night was basically Barcelona vs a bunch of dutch ninjas
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 13, 2010, 12:55:44 PM
Anyone still believing this transfer is a 'done deal' ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 13, 2010, 12:59:14 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Anyone still believing this transfer is a 'done deal' ?
I won't believe anything until I see it on the OS.
Won't be shocked though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 13, 2010, 01:14:04 PM
He's gone. Can't we just sort it and move on please?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 13, 2010, 01:21:01 PM
Quote from: "Des Little"
He's gone. Can't we just sort it and move on please?
has he,
how much did he go for in the end then ?
was there any Man City players involved in the deal ?
when can we start spending the money we got from the transfer ?
why is it not on the OS ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 13, 2010, 01:26:56 PM
As I understand it, some people who play golf think it's a done deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 13, 2010, 02:35:45 PM
There are one or two posters who are adamant Milner's move to City is a done deal, so that's the view I'm taking. My reading of the situation is Milner's committed to a move, it's the fee that still needs negotiating.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 13, 2010, 02:45:08 PM
theres a big difference between a 'done deal' and Milner wanting to go, or might end up at City when a deal is thrashed out.
a done deal is when the transfer figure is agreed, any swap players have been agreed, and all thats left is medicals and signitures,
i dont think we are anywhere near any of that, i dont see that any figure has been agreed between the two parties, or any agreements on players,
we might well be talking and negotiating, but a done deal, No
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 13, 2010, 02:55:31 PM
Oh, I know all that, John. You can't do a thing until a fee is agreed - I'm just playing devil's advocate on the 'done deal' mantra.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 13, 2010, 02:59:23 PM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 13, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
By the sounds of it O'Neill will sit down with Milner and tell him what's what.
I just heard it on SkySports while on my lunch.
I honestly think it could still go either way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 13, 2010, 03:06:56 PM
Quote from: "john e"
theres a big difference between a 'done deal' and Milner wanting to go, or might end up at City when a deal is thrashed out.
a done deal is when the transfer figure is agreed, any swap players have been agreed, and all thats left is medicals and signitures,
i dont think we are anywhere near any of that, i dont see that any figure has been agreed between the two parties, or any agreements on players,
we might well be talking and negotiating, but a done deal, No
You could argue that the phrase "a done deal", in this context, is a figure of speech, and should not be taken literally. Consider, for example, the expression "dead man walking". He sure as hell is not dead if the fucker is ambulatory.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 13, 2010, 03:08:49 PM
I think what we can take from that is Martin will try and keep him, but expects him to go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 13, 2010, 03:10:30 PM
Sounds about right to me John. Obviously it's only a gut feeling, but I stopped thinking of him as a Villa player a while ago.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 13, 2010, 03:17:26 PM
Seen mon on sky and it looks to me that milner wants to go and mon is hoping he won't go.hard to keep a player if he wants to go was basically what he was saying.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on July 13, 2010, 03:19:58 PM
I have just seen the interview on SSN. MON's answer to the Milner leaving question came across as pretty negative. We want to keep him, but if the boy wants away there is nothing we can do about it. Or words to that effect.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 13, 2010, 03:26:44 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "john e"
theres a big difference between a 'done deal' and Milner wanting to go, or might end up at City when a deal is thrashed out.
a done deal is when the transfer figure is agreed, any swap players have been agreed, and all thats left is medicals and signitures,
i dont think we are anywhere near any of that, i dont see that any figure has been agreed between the two parties, or any agreements on players,
we might well be talking and negotiating, but a done deal, No
You could argue that the phrase "a done deal", in this context, is a figure of speech, and should not be taken literally. Consider, for example, the expression "dead man walking". He sure as hell is not dead if the fucker is ambulatory.
you argue black is white, but a done deal is exactly that,
from what MON has said, a deal has not been done, but the player might well be on his way, a fee has yet to be agreed, yet we have been told on here that it was a done deal at 28 mill, weeks ago, which is obviously not true
theres a long way to go yet, and athough i would expect Milner to be leaving, i'm not sure about getting any where near 28 mill for him as we have been lead to believe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 13, 2010, 03:36:07 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "john e"
theres a big difference between a 'done deal' and Milner wanting to go, or might end up at City when a deal is thrashed out.
a done deal is when the transfer figure is agreed, any swap players have been agreed, and all thats left is medicals and signitures,
i dont think we are anywhere near any of that, i dont see that any figure has been agreed between the two parties, or any agreements on players,
we might well be talking and negotiating, but a done deal, No
You could argue that the phrase "a done deal", in this context, is a figure of speech, and should not be taken literally. Consider, for example, the expression "dead man walking". He sure as hell is not dead if the fucker is ambulatory.
you argue black is white, but a done deal is exactly that,
from what MON has said, a deal has not been done, but the player might well be on his way, a fee has yet to be agreed, yet we have been told on here that it was a done deal at 28 mill, weeks ago, which is obviously not true
theres a long way to go yet, and athough i would expect Milner to be leaving, i'm not sure about getting any where near 28 mill for him as we have been lead to believe.
I feel your pain, John, and I would suggest it is due to a lack of Holby City / Amanda Mealing based entertainment during the World Cup.
Fortunately, I had the foresight to create a super-duper Connie avi file, and have thus been able to keep my chakras balanced.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 13, 2010, 03:36:11 PM
Martin O'Neill wouldn't say he is 'hopeful that Milner will stay' if there has been a done deal, would he?
By the sounds of it, MON has not heard from Man City, and the talks have clearly ceased for the time being, hence being 'hopeful'.
City had better get a move on before MON starts the contract talks with him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 13, 2010, 03:41:16 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "john e"
theres a big difference between a 'done deal' and Milner wanting to go, or might end up at City when a deal is thrashed out.
a done deal is when the transfer figure is agreed, any swap players have been agreed, and all thats left is medicals and signitures,
i dont think we are anywhere near any of that, i dont see that any figure has been agreed between the two parties, or any agreements on players,
we might well be talking and negotiating, but a done deal, No
You could argue that the phrase "a done deal", in this context, is a figure of speech, and should not be taken literally. Consider, for example, the expression "dead man walking". He sure as hell is not dead if the fucker is ambulatory.
you argue black is white, but a done deal is exactly that,
from what MON has said, a deal has not been done, but the player might well be on his way, a fee has yet to be agreed, yet we have been told on here that it was a done deal at 28 mill, weeks ago, which is obviously not true
theres a long way to go yet, and athough i would expect Milner to be leaving, i'm not sure about getting any where near 28 mill for him as we have been lead to believe.
I feel your pain, John, and I would suggest it is due to a lack of Holby City / Amanda Mealing based entertainment during the World Cup.
Fortunately, I had the foresight to create a super-duper Connie avi file, and have thus been able to keep my chakras balanced.
ah yes, you might be near the truth there mate
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 13, 2010, 04:21:30 PM
Not sure I agree there mshurst, mon seemed very downbeat in the interview, seemed to be implying that milner wants to go and you can't keep unhappy players, I agree the fee will probably a lot less than £28m, maybe nearer to £23m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 13, 2010, 04:25:03 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Not sure I agree there mshurst, mon seemed very downbeat in the interview, seemed to be implying that milner wants to go and you can't keep unhappy players, I agree the fee will probably a lot less than £28m, maybe nearer to £23m.
I hope to see the final fee be the subject of long debate, due not knowing how much Stephen Ireland's part-exchange is worth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on July 13, 2010, 05:17:11 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Not sure I agree there mshurst, mon seemed very downbeat in the interview, seemed to be implying that milner wants to go and you can't keep unhappy players, I agree the fee will probably a lot less than £28m, maybe nearer to £23m.
even at 23 mil, it will still be a complete rinsing of them financially...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on July 13, 2010, 05:20:14 PM
Quote from: "GullyFoyle"
I have just seen the interview on SSN. MON's answer to the Milner leaving question came across as pretty negative. We want to keep him, but if the boy wants away there is nothing we can do about it. Or words to that effect.
Does MON have the stomach for another Barry saga?
Maybe it's just me but seeing the AVTV recent interview on the Official site at the first day of training MON did not portray his usual exuberance for the job ahead of him. Maybe he's a bit like the rest of us first day back to work after your holiday.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 13, 2010, 06:01:55 PM
Hopefully this won't drag on long, I see on sky that Noel gallagher has seen citys transfer target list this summer and apparently it's mindblowing!
Not sure if I had a bottomless pit of money that James milner would be that high on my list, a very good player that he is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on July 13, 2010, 06:13:48 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Hopefully this won't drag on long, I see on sky that Noel gallagher has seen citys transfer target list this summer and apparently it's mindblowing!
Noel Gallagher once put it about that the fellas who had pummelled him and his brother in a nightclub were hard nosed high rollers the Russian Mafia, they turned out to be photocopier salesmen.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2010, 07:03:39 PM
If he's going to go I'd rather he just went soon, so we can go about building our side as soon as possible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 13, 2010, 07:47:41 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
If he's going to go I'd rather he just went soon, so we can go about building our side as soon as possible.
on page 2 of this thread, you said you would only consider 40 mill plus Ireland, which would put the deal somewhere around 50-55 mill.
thats not going to happen mate, if he does go i think you may be dissapointed on your earlier expectations
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 13, 2010, 08:01:22 PM
Quote from: "john e"
theres a big difference between a 'done deal' and Milner wanting to go, or might end up at City when a deal is thrashed out.
a done deal is when the transfer figure is agreed, any swap players have been agreed, and all thats left is medicals and signitures,
i dont think we are anywhere near any of that, i dont see that any figure has been agreed between the two parties, or any agreements on players,
we might well be talking and negotiating, but a done deal, No
Indeed. It's just semantics. In the press you get imminent like it's going to be done within 15 minutes.
It is not done. It is not imminent but I think it will eventually get done. I think we will probably see a deal eventually close to the value of their original offer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 13, 2010, 08:01:56 PM
Yes that was prior to Milner's deafening silence, so I addressed my stance. I just want it sorted either way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 13, 2010, 08:04:55 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "john e"
theres a big difference between a 'done deal' and Milner wanting to go, or might end up at City when a deal is thrashed out.
a done deal is when the transfer figure is agreed, any swap players have been agreed, and all thats left is medicals and signitures,
i dont think we are anywhere near any of that, i dont see that any figure has been agreed between the two parties, or any agreements on players,
we might well be talking and negotiating, but a done deal, No
Indeed. It's just semantics. In the press you get imminent like it's going to be done within 15 minutes.
It is not done. It is not imminent but I think it will eventually get done. I think we will probably see a deal eventually close to the value of their original offer.
i agree with you, if by the original offer you mean around 20 mill, maybe a touch more with a bit of bartering.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 13, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
£23 million would be daylight robbery. Show us the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DrGonzo on July 13, 2010, 09:08:53 PM
Give us Ireland and anything near £20 mill and I'll be chewing their wrists...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 13, 2010, 09:09:41 PM
I've just seen that short interview with MON on Sky, and i don't think he sounded or came across any different to what he normally does.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DrGonzo on July 13, 2010, 09:20:57 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
I've just seen that short interview with MON on Sky, and i don't think he sounded or came across any different to what he normally does.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 13, 2010, 09:21:56 PM
Stubborn?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DrGonzo on July 13, 2010, 09:24:19 PM
Has anyone coined the phrase "Mo'N Management" yet?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 14, 2010, 08:21:31 AM
maybe im reading too much into this but martin has quoted " i hope milner is as influential this season" milner aint going anywhere lads :-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 14, 2010, 08:36:53 AM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
maybe im reading too much into this but martin has quoted " i hope milner is as influential this season" milner aint going anywhere lads :-)
Wanna bet?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 14, 2010, 08:56:18 AM
Quote from: "east19"
Quote from: "pmk1981"
maybe im reading too much into this but martin has quoted " i hope milner is as influential this season" milner aint going anywhere lads :-)
Wanna bet?
I think he was probably just saying that.
Until the deal is done Jimmy is still MON's player.
As I said, until City have shown the money, MON has accepted, and Jimmy's contract is confirmed, then Jimmy is still employed under Aston Villa Football Club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 14, 2010, 08:59:17 AM
Quote from: "east19"
Hopefully this won't drag on long, I see on sky that Noel gallagher has seen citys transfer target list this summer and apparently it's mindblowing!
If thats the case we would just have to Roll With It, potentially they could be Half The World Away come the end of the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: willywombat on July 14, 2010, 09:21:54 AM
Will just have to take solace in cigarettes and alcohol and try not to look back in anger
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Big Dick Edwards on July 14, 2010, 09:24:04 AM
Quote from: "willywombat"
Will just have to take solace in cigarettes and alcohol and try not to look back in anger
Whatever.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2010, 10:04:29 AM
Quote from: "Big Dick Edwards"
Quote from: "willywombat"
Will just have to take solace in cigarettes and alcohol and try not to look back in anger
Whatever.
We need it sorted ASAP. I suggest O'Neill and Milner sit down and talk tonight.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 14, 2010, 10:18:39 AM
Absolutely. Until the morning light, if needs be.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 14, 2010, 10:38:28 AM
So, the upshot of all this is that he is going definitely maybe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on July 14, 2010, 10:51:36 AM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
So, the upshot of all this is that he is going definitely maybe.
Let's hope Mo'n has a masterplan
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2010, 10:52:40 AM
I just hope MON has got a Masterplan in place.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Countryside Villain on July 14, 2010, 10:54:14 AM
Hey Now, I reckon this deal will Slide Away once Citeh get bored of negotiating. Milner is supposedly part of their Masterplan but he wont Stay Young or Live Forever so I think they'll move on to a different target if the price gets too high.
That's the Nature of Reality, Keep the Dream Alive!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 14, 2010, 10:55:59 AM
McGrath you catflap. You beat me to it by seconds.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: B36 Villa on July 14, 2010, 11:57:56 AM
Some Might Say we havnt got a chance of keeping Milner but with the money we make we could look All Around the World for players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 14, 2010, 12:03:30 PM
I hope O'Neill shows Milner the posts on Bluemoon one by one so he knows their opinion of him. This could put doubts in his head little by little until he's desperate to stay. D'You know what I mean?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 14, 2010, 12:03:54 PM
If we get anything like £20mil + and Ireland then i would get out the champagne supanova
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 14, 2010, 12:08:25 PM
Quote from: "B36 Villa"
Some Might Say we havnt got a chance of keeping Milner but with the money we make we could look All Around the World for players.
No offence, but I Love your Random use of capital Letters at the Start of Words.
Quote from: "clampy"
McGrath you catflap. You beat me to it by seconds.
I have never heard anyone being called a 'catflap' before ... and I must say it is probably the best insult I think I have ever heard.
I "LOL'D" hard.
@TaxDodger - everyone in the world can see that Milner will waste himself at City. But at the end of the day it's the money he's going for. Same as everyone else who joins them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on July 14, 2010, 12:14:31 PM
It's a case of Put Your Money Where Yer Mouth Is for Little James. Let's hope he's not thinking Where Did It All Go Wrong this time next year.
I was deperately trying to get Fuckin In The Bushes in there as well but it's tricky
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 14, 2010, 12:17:53 PM
Quote from: "Des Little"
I was deperately trying to get Fuckin In The Bushes in there as well but it's tricky
I admire your effort.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nuninho on July 14, 2010, 12:18:25 PM
More than likely O'Neill is Fucking in the Bushes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on July 14, 2010, 12:34:12 PM
Mo'n's too busy sitting in his rockin chair. Thinking of a masterplan little by little, d'yer know what I mean?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 14, 2010, 12:40:45 PM
If Milner goes to Man City he'll just slide away into obscurity. If he stays at Villa he'll become a legend. He'll live forever.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on July 14, 2010, 02:44:23 PM
Latest word from the Font of All Truth (Tribal Football) is that Man City are on the verge of giving up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 14, 2010, 02:46:38 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Quote from: "B36 Villa"
Some Might Say we havnt got a chance of keeping Milner but with the money we make we could look All Around the World for players.
No offence, but I Love your Random use of capital Letters at the Start of Words.
Quote from: "clampy"
McGrath you catflap. You beat me to it by seconds.
I have never heard anyone being called a 'catflap' before ... and I must say it is probably the best insult I think I have ever heard.
I "LOL'D" hard.
@TaxDodger - everyone in the world can see that Milner will waste himself at City. But at the end of the day it's the money he's going for. Same as everyone else who joins them.
Whooosh!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 14, 2010, 02:52:36 PM
Stop the Clocks people! Milner is Half the World Away on holiday!
Probably discovering The Importance of Being Idle following the world cup. Once he's back I expect we'll Acquiesce and he'll Slide Away to Eastlands.
When Man City come to Villa Park I hope we Don't Look Back in Anger and Go Let it Out
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: shaldonvilla on July 14, 2010, 02:59:59 PM
as this carries on with no resolution it seems half a world away
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 14, 2010, 03:01:02 PM
Fuck off the lot of yer!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 14, 2010, 03:07:12 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Quote from: "B36 Villa"
Some Might Say we havnt got a chance of keeping Milner but with the money we make we could look All Around the World for players.
No offence, but I Love your Random use of capital Letters at the Start of Words.
Whooosh!
Fuck me, I'm a moron.
EDIT.
The irony is I was actually going to write "Are the song titles or something" but elected against it.
Sigh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 14, 2010, 03:12:54 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Fuck off the lot of yer!
no, not heard that one
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: leemond2010 on July 14, 2010, 03:13:12 PM
Quote from: "Des Little"
It's a case of Put Your Money Where Yer Mouth Is for Little James. Let's hope he's not thinking Where Did It All Go Wrong this time next year.
I was deperately trying to get Fuckin In The Bushes in there as well but it's tricky
I remember when man city were trying to sign stan collymore but they pulled out just after he was caught Fuckin In The Bushes
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2010, 03:16:16 PM
I think it would be best if we Keep What We’ve Got* and get Milner to stay otherwise we might Fade Away, but all the Talk Tonight is that Little James is far from Going Nowhere, but is actually Little by Little thinking that (Its Good) To Be Free of Aston Villa. MON’s dithering in the transfer market seems to create an Importance of Being Idle, but ultimately it seems we will Acquiesce and sell Milner. Some Might Say that this will be good for us while others will feel like they’re Waiting for the Rapture and ask Where Did It All Go Wrong? as posters like Greg are really Hung in a Bad Place.
I say this to them, Keep the Dream Alive and Stop Crying Your Heart Out, because Aston Villa will be all right without Milner because I Hope, I Think, I Know that Aston Villa will Live Forever.
(* he plays the guitar on it so it counts)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 14, 2010, 03:19:11 PM
Some people are putting way to much effort into this.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 14, 2010, 03:21:42 PM
If we're going to do fruity pun-a-thons and word plays, then lets not mince about like lesser sites would. We go elbow deep on H&V. Elbow. Deep.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 14, 2010, 03:41:51 PM
Terry-ble puns are Messi, IMO.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mcgrath_85 on July 14, 2010, 05:20:08 PM
Ads. I like your work.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on July 14, 2010, 09:57:52 PM
Sterling effort Ads. Guess God thinks you're Able
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on July 14, 2010, 10:22:08 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Some people are putting way to much effort into this.
I know.
Wonderwall.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 14, 2010, 10:34:03 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Some people are putting way to much effort into this.
If only Oasis had put half as much effort into coming up with something remotely interesting.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 14, 2010, 10:42:16 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Some people are putting way to much effort into this.
If only Oasis had put half as much effort into coming up with something remotely interesting.
Quite.
I'm as big a fan of a punathon as the next man, but can we keep this thread pun free for a bit
At least until he's fucked off to Man City, or pledged his undying allegiance to us, but while there's possibly stuff happening, we should probably keep it on topic.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: holte-ender on July 15, 2010, 05:56:59 AM
I say take the money. Milner won't stay young and Invincible forever. Let him go to city, sit on the bench and become a man of misery.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 16, 2010, 11:04:27 PM
Most the papers 2mo are saying that citey will bid 25million next week! I say accept it and be done with it! Then give them 10 straight back for Ireland!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 17, 2010, 12:02:14 AM
25 mill cash or 20 mill plus Ireland. I don't want to be left with the money in MoN's pocket while he's bent over ready to be bum-raped by other clubs asking for a slice of "the Milner money" thank you very much.
If Man City are going to let us screw them, then let's really screw them. Tie the whole deal up into one nice, neat package and be done with it.
If we can get Ireland, Onuahahaha and a nice thick wedge of cash with which to buy a striker then I'm well pleased.
If we shuffle Milner off and just have a stash of cash to show for it, I'll be very nervous about our season indeed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 17, 2010, 12:06:37 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
25 mill cash or 20 mill plus Ireland. I don't want to be left with the money in MoN's pocket while he's bent over ready to be bum-raped by other clubs asking for a slice of "the Milner money" thank you very much.
If Man City are going to let us screw them, then let's really screw them. Tie the whole deal up into one nice, neat package and be done with it.
If we can get Ireland, Onuahahaha and a nice thick wedge of cash with which to buy a striker then I'm well pleased.
If we shuffle Milner off and just have a stash of cash to show for it, I'll be very nervous about our season indeed.
I just wanted the cash, but sadly i'm beginning to agree.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 17, 2010, 12:13:18 AM
For me, there's a double advantage in a player trade. It prevents MoN from having to look for a replacement for Milner (I know he has some points on the board for finding talent but I'm still nowhere near comfortable enough for him to be walking about with 25 mill in his back pocket) and it also shows that Man City aren't just a one-way vacuum cleaner for quality players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BedsVillain on July 17, 2010, 12:14:09 AM
15m + Ireland & Onuoha. Straight Cash will not get us as much for our money when it comes to be re-spent!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2010, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
For me, there's a double advantage in a player trade. It prevents MoN from having to look for a replacement for Milner (I know he has some points on the board for finding talent but I'm still nowhere near comfortable enough for him to be walking about with 25 mill in his back pocket) and it also shows that Man City aren't just a one-way vacuum cleaner for quality players.
It's up to him how he spends it, but with 25m in his pocket, I wouldn't be at all surprise to see him bring in Robbie Keane. McGeady and Jenas.
Can't we get them to pay us in book tokens or something instead?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2010, 12:18:43 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
For me, there's a double advantage in a player trade. It prevents MoN from having to look for a replacement for Milner (I know he has some points on the board for finding talent but I'm still nowhere near comfortable enough for him to be walking about with 25 mill in his back pocket) and it also shows that Man City aren't just a one-way vacuum cleaner for quality players.
It's up to him how he spends it, but with 25m in his pocket, I wouldn't be at all surprise to see him bring in Robbie Keane. McGeady and Jenas.
Can't we get them to pay us in book tokens or something instead?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 17, 2010, 12:21:01 AM
Quote from: "BedsVillain"
15m + Ireland & Onuoha. Straight Cash will not get us as much for our money when it comes to be re-spent!
I can't imagine MON being very comfortable with £25m+ in his pocket. It would disrupt his trusted transfer stategy of pleading poverty and dragging the deals out before getting his man, plus I assume he's no Plan B.
Straight swap for Robinho? (winky)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2010, 01:17:46 PM
I reckon Mr Milner is not going anywhere this season. After his non-performance at the World Cup both Chelsea and City are not convinced that he is worth the asking price. City's strategy is to keep him and Villa waiting and than pull away on 31 August. This will aslo stop Chelsea even if they wanted to sign him as City would be paying more in wages. Our problem is that this will stop Milner from extending his contract and if he does have another great season and still wants to get away we will get no more than 10/15 m as he will be a free agent end of 2011/12 season.
So I think if City do come back with 25 ..take it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 17, 2010, 02:19:13 PM
If as being mooted milner wants to go- then he will go !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 17, 2010, 03:17:13 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
For me, there's a double advantage in a player trade. It prevents MoN from having to look for a replacement for Milner (I know he has some points on the board for finding talent but I'm still nowhere near comfortable enough for him to be walking about with 25 mill in his back pocket) and it also shows that Man City aren't just a one-way vacuum cleaner for quality players.
It's up to him how he spends it, but with 25m in his pocket, I wouldn't be at all surprise to see him bring in Robbie Keane. McGeady and Jenas.
Can't we get them to pay us in book tokens or something instead?
You're not thinking straight Paulie, Amazon vouchers surely?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 17, 2010, 05:11:46 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
For me, there's a double advantage in a player trade. It prevents MoN from having to look for a replacement for Milner (I know he has some points on the board for finding talent but I'm still nowhere near comfortable enough for him to be walking about with 25 mill in his back pocket) and it also shows that Man City aren't just a one-way vacuum cleaner for quality players.
It's up to him how he spends it, but with 25m in his pocket, I wouldn't be at all surprise to see him bring in Robbie Keane. McGeady and Jenas.
Can't we get them to pay us in book tokens or something instead?
Indeed. I'd be hopefully we can get Ireland as part of the deal and hopefully a player who plays right back (Onuhoa or Richards). Instead I think we will end up with overpriced tat like the three mentioned.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 17, 2010, 05:20:01 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Can't we get them to pay us in book tokens or something instead?
You're not thinking straight Paulie, Amazon vouchers surely?
He'd only buy the collected works of Marillion & Fish
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 17, 2010, 05:31:01 PM
This sounds a bit peculiar.
Worrying in that the Guardian are usually pretty on the money with Villa stories.
Reads as if we've decided not to bother trying to keep him.
Quote from: "The Guardian"
Aston Villa's inertia suggests James Milner is off to Manchester City
• Villa fail to offer England midfielder new contract • Manchester City set to increase opening £18m bid
James Milner has not asked for a move, but Aston Villa appear to be doing little to keep him out of Manchester City's hands
Aston Villa appear increasingly resigned to losing James Milner after it emerged the club is yet to offer the England international a new contract in the face of interest from Manchester City and that there are no talks scheduled between the two parties.
Milner remains a key target for City, who are expected to return with an improved bid after their opening offer of £18m, plus a further £2m in add-ons, was flatly rejected in May. Villa met Milner and his representative shortly after that bid was received to discuss his future, but the club's desire to hold on to the 24-year-old midfielder did not extend to them presenting him with a new deal and improved personal terms. That situation has remained unchanged.
Martin O'Neill, the Villa manager, said towards the end of last season that the club was keen to reward Milner, who has just entered the final two years of his contract, for his progress following an outstanding campaign which culminated in him being named PFA Young Player of Year. O'Neill had suggested talks would take place after the World Cup finals yet there has been no indication that when Milner returns at the end of the month, after being given an extended break following the World Cup, that he will be presented with a new contract proposal.
It appears that within Villa there is an acceptance it is all but certain Milner will seek to move this summer. Stewart Downing said on Thursday that he suspects his team-mate has "probably already made his decision" and earlier in the week O'Neill sounded pessimistic about Villa's chances of keeping Milner out of City's clutches. "Eventually, if players do want to leave the football club, or any football club for that matter, then it becomes more difficult than ever before," he said.
Milner is understood to be surprised at O'Neill's remarks because of the inference that he is agitating for a move away from Villa Park, despite the fact he has never pushed to be given the chance to join City.
Whether that stance changes should City fail to meet Villa's asking price, which is believed to be in excess of £25m, remains to be seen, although it seems highly unlikely the former Leeds trainee will submit a transfer request.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 17, 2010, 05:32:31 PM
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Can't we get them to pay us in book tokens or something instead?
You're not thinking straight Paulie, Amazon vouchers surely?
He'd only buy the collected works of Marillion & Fish
It's better than him spending a load of Kayleigh on Jermain Jenas though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 17, 2010, 05:43:34 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
This sounds a bit peculiar.
Worrying in that the Guardian are usually pretty on the money with Villa stories.
Reads as if we've decided not to bother trying to keep him.
Quote from: "The Guardian"
Aston Villa's inertia suggests James Milner is off to Manchester City
• Villa fail to offer England midfielder new contract • Manchester City set to increase opening £18m bid
James Milner has not asked for a move, but Aston Villa appear to be doing little to keep him out of Manchester City's hands
Aston Villa appear increasingly resigned to losing James Milner after it emerged the club is yet to offer the England international a new contract in the face of interest from Manchester City and that there are no talks scheduled between the two parties.
Milner remains a key target for City, who are expected to return with an improved bid after their opening offer of £18m, plus a further £2m in add-ons, was flatly rejected in May. Villa met Milner and his representative shortly after that bid was received to discuss his future, but the club's desire to hold on to the 24-year-old midfielder did not extend to them presenting him with a new deal and improved personal terms. That situation has remained unchanged.
Martin O'Neill, the Villa manager, said towards the end of last season that the club was keen to reward Milner, who has just entered the final two years of his contract, for his progress following an outstanding campaign which culminated in him being named PFA Young Player of Year. O'Neill had suggested talks would take place after the World Cup finals yet there has been no indication that when Milner returns at the end of the month, after being given an extended break following the World Cup, that he will be presented with a new contract proposal.
It appears that within Villa there is an acceptance it is all but certain Milner will seek to move this summer. Stewart Downing said on Thursday that he suspects his team-mate has "probably already made his decision" and earlier in the week O'Neill sounded pessimistic about Villa's chances of keeping Milner out of City's clutches. "Eventually, if players do want to leave the football club, or any football club for that matter, then it becomes more difficult than ever before," he said.
Milner is understood to be surprised at O'Neill's remarks because of the inference that he is agitating for a move away from Villa Park, despite the fact he has never pushed to be given the chance to join City.
Whether that stance changes should City fail to meet Villa's asking price, which is believed to be in excess of £25m, remains to be seen, although it seems highly unlikely the former Leeds trainee will submit a transfer request.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 17, 2010, 05:46:08 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "Nick Lees"
He'd only buy the collected works of Marillion & Fish
It's better than him spending a load of Kayleigh on Jermain Jenas though.
True. I'm as big a fan of Fish as Jenas :-[
I'd spend the vouchers on loads obscure stuff that turns out to be terrific. We need another Ashley Young.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 17, 2010, 06:03:32 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
This sounds a bit peculiar.
Worrying in that the Guardian are usually pretty on the money with Villa stories. Reads as if we've decided not to bother trying to keep him.
That may be so however the source of this story is from 3 directions: Milner's agent The Downing article So called in-action at the Club.
Milner's agent is worried that the interest in his man is disappearing since the WC so he is trying to stalk it up. The Downing article is just an opinion and likely to be no more than 50% correct at best and is also quoted out of context. The in-action at the Club is due to the fact that Milner is on holiday. He will be offered an extention because it simply makes sense. If he signs it does not mean he will stay however that would suit the Club as shorter the contract lower the value they can extract in tranfer fee. Believe me no one is interested in Milner now at 20m+ and other players have emerged to replace him in the money queue.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on July 17, 2010, 08:39:38 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
For me, there's a double advantage in a player trade. It prevents MoN from having to look for a replacement for Milner (I know he has some points on the board for finding talent but I'm still nowhere near comfortable enough for him to be walking about with 25 mill in his back pocket) and it also shows that Man City aren't just a one-way vacuum cleaner for quality players.
It's up to him how he spends it, but with 25m in his pocket, I wouldn't be at all surprise to see him bring in Robbie Keane. McGeady and Jenas.
Can't we get them to pay us in book tokens or something instead?
Indeed. I'd be hopefully we can get Ireland as part of the deal and hopefully a player who plays right back (Onuhoa or Richards). Instead I think we will end up with overpriced tat like the three mentioned.
I'd rather he gave Luke Young another chance at right back and took an attacking player alongside Ireland instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 17, 2010, 08:42:09 PM
The trouble is that Milner is worth more to us than to any other club. The only club that might pay what we want is Man City and it appears that they may not go that high.
We have to be careful that we are not forced to sell him for less than he is worth to us.
I think the previous poster is correct in saying that nothing is happening because Milner is away on holiday after the world cup. It does not matter how much the media want a story, MON is the type of manager that appears to respect a players privacy and his time away from the club. Just hope Milner sees it this way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 18, 2010, 09:43:58 AM
Sounds like Villa are tightening their belts financially. With all noises about sell to buy and trimming the squad, it wouldn't surprise me if we sold Milner without him actually asking to leave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 18, 2010, 10:13:14 AM
Quote from: "Macho Man Randy Savage"
Sounds like Villa are tightening their belts financially. With all noises about sell to buy and trimming the squad, it wouldn't surprise me if we sold Milner without him actually asking to leave.
If they bid £28m then I don't care if he asks or not, I'd sell.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2010, 10:30:58 AM
We really need to make sure we get Ireland off them as part of the deal. He's definitely going, we just need to play hard ball and get the best possible deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 18, 2010, 10:38:39 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
We really need to make sure we get Ireland off them as part of the deal. He's definitely going, we just need to play hard ball and get the best possible deal.
No we don't. Unless they're giving him away for a knock down price I'd rather the cash so we can get somebody less mental and more consistent.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2010, 10:44:03 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
We really need to make sure we get Ireland off them as part of the deal. He's definitely going, we just need to play hard ball and get the best possible deal.
No we don't. Unless they're giving him away for a knock down price I'd rather the cash so we can get somebody less mental and more consistent.
I don't care how mental he is, he'd be brilliant for Villa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on July 18, 2010, 10:47:44 AM
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2010, 10:55:57 AM
Well Mr Ireland is over in Australia with Man City at the moment, he scored for them yesterday.
Going by his form of a couple of season's ago, he'd be a very good addition for us and with Sidwell going, we're definatley going to need to bring in another midfielder in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 18, 2010, 10:59:10 AM
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on July 18, 2010, 11:03:15 AM
Most players are mental and wouldnt we have 4 players in midfield? Richard Dunne had problems and for £6m is looking a great bit of business for Villa. Remember the reason for his sale is Man C are spending £200m and buying players of £20m plus like the drop of a hat.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 18, 2010, 11:05:16 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
I think inconsistent is a tad bit unfair. He's not exactly had a fair crack at City since Mark Hughes realised he had money and he just had to spend it on anybody and everybody, which has since been carried on by Manicini.
Maybe he would'nt be a direct replacement for Milner but i'd take him, providing he was'nt costing us too much.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 18, 2010, 11:10:50 AM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
I think inconsistent is a tad bit unfair. He's not exactly had a fair crack at City since Mark Hughes realised he had money and he just had to spend it on anybody and everybody, which has since been carrid on by Manicini.
Maybe he would'nt be a direct replacement for Milner but i'd take him, providing he was'nt costing us too much.
Which is pretty similar to what I said.
If Milner goes we lose a lot of industry from the middle, Ireland won't give us that so we'll have to buy somebody else. I suspect Man City will ask too much for him to leaving us less to spend elsewhere.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on July 18, 2010, 11:39:55 AM
No swaps please, straight cash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 18, 2010, 11:42:23 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 18, 2010, 11:45:54 AM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
The trouble is that Milner is worth more to us than to any other club. The only club that might pay what we want is Man City and it appears that they may not go that high.
We have to be careful that we are not forced to sell him for less than he is worth to us.
I think the previous poster is correct in saying that nothing is happening because Milner is away on holiday after the world cup. It does not matter how much the media want a story, MON is the type of manager that appears to respect a players privacy and his time away from the club. Just hope Milner sees it this way.
It appears that our owner has seen sense and insisted that the manager sells first. We're starting to see how wise MON's transfers are.....£2m for Sidwell. At least Fulham see his true value.
Oh sorry I forget he signed Ashley Young so all his other transfers are fine......... ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2010, 12:14:10 PM
Ireland is a quality player and what we need definately.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 18, 2010, 01:22:49 PM
Ireland and keane are what we need definately in my view.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 18, 2010, 01:53:10 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
The trouble is that Milner is worth more to us than to any other club. The only club that might pay what we want is Man City and it appears that they may not go that high.
We have to be careful that we are not forced to sell him for less than he is worth to us.
I think the previous poster is correct in saying that nothing is happening because Milner is away on holiday after the world cup. It does not matter how much the media want a story, MON is the type of manager that appears to respect a players privacy and his time away from the club. Just hope Milner sees it this way.
It appears that our owner has seen sense and insisted that the manager sells first. We're starting to see how wise MON's transfers are.....£2m for Sidwell. At least Fulham see his true value.
Oh sorry I forget he signed Ashley Young so all his other transfers are fine......... ;)
Yes, thank God he signed Young so we're covered for all the other shit he's bought, like Milner, Warnock, Carew, Collins, Dunne, Friedel, Petrov, Cuellar and Delph.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 18, 2010, 01:53:37 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Ireland and keane are what we need definately in my view.
Love those 2, plus a quality right back a top notch striker.
I think we will see some movement on the Milner siutuation this week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 18, 2010, 01:54:39 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
And this lad was the model of psychological stability (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?t=39301&start=0)
There's a reason a midfield of Petrov and Ireland would not do well and it is not Ireland. It is the manager who would persist playing the pair in a two rather than having a midfield three or who does not realise that Petrov lacks the legs and energy to play in a two as we saw time and again last season.
Stephen Ireland is definitely what we need and if we have an upgrade on Petrov to play next to him so much the better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2010, 01:58:06 PM
I like these future criticisms of O’Neill. I’m going to give it a go.
Taking Delph off in 70th minute is the reason we’ve lost two FA Cup semi-finals in a row.
Its hella fun!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 18, 2010, 02:06:47 PM
Having read petrovs book it seems he had problems with lasting the pace even at Celtic- stamina seems to be a weakness of his , but surely mon must have known this anyway as petrov mentioned mon talking to him about at Celtic.
The book is going for about a quid now on amazon entitled stan, very good read too, amazed to read his wedding was televised live in Bulgaria where he is an absolute superstar.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 18, 2010, 02:07:20 PM
I should clarify my point by saying it's a future and hypothetical criticism. As I think if we do sign Ireland Martin might go for a three as he'll see that too.
I'm just disagreeing with Chris's vision where we play a two of Ireland and Petrov and it gets overrun as it is not certain we will play a two.
I'm really disappointed that we lost that goal in the Europa final. I know we won the game but if Martin had the decency to play someone more solid than Luke Young at right back say Cuellar we wouldn't have lost that goal.
Hey you're right. It is fun!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2010, 02:19:37 PM
I think he plans to play a three. Petrov, Delph and Ireland perhaps? That's quite a lot of mobility in there, with Petrov's metronomic style clipping of passes to claret & blue shirts, coupled with Delph’s “fucking ‘av this soft lad!” approach to tackling.
Not bad. We’d need more cover though in there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 18, 2010, 02:23:55 PM
Yeah that's what I was thinking.
With Delph's injury I hope we'll sign a new Defensive midfielder and then gradually phase Delph in to play in Petrov's place.
I'm not sure but I think Stan's contract runs out at the end of next season so I reckon he might go back to Celtic then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 18, 2010, 02:32:41 PM
I think Delph will become a top class player for us, but i'd want him in a midfield three. That would give him more licence.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2010, 02:33:36 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
Ah good old dinosaur 4-4-2.
That's why you play Ireland in a free role in a 4-2-3-1.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 18, 2010, 02:45:53 PM
Delph petrov and Ireland in the middle would be very good in my opinion, also let's vary it a bit and not play with 2 wingers all the time- for a start they get drained as they are constantly playing week in and week out and also central midfield gets overun , sure use 2 wingers sometimes but let's have a variation in our tactics and formations!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 18, 2010, 04:03:07 PM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
The trouble is that Milner is worth more to us than to any other club. The only club that might pay what we want is Man City and it appears that they may not go that high.
We have to be careful that we are not forced to sell him for less than he is worth to us.
I think the previous poster is correct in saying that nothing is happening because Milner is away on holiday after the world cup. It does not matter how much the media want a story, MON is the type of manager that appears to respect a players privacy and his time away from the club. Just hope Milner sees it this way.
It appears that our owner has seen sense and insisted that the manager sells first. We're starting to see how wise MON's transfers are.....£2m for Sidwell. At least Fulham see his true value.
Oh sorry I forget he signed Ashley Young so all his other transfers are fine......... ;)
Yes, thank God he signed Young so we're covered for all the other shit he's bought, like Milner, Warnock, Carew, Collins, Dunne, Friedel, Petrov, Cuellar and Delph.
Then again this has all been argued before............
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 18, 2010, 05:16:00 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
I like these future criticisms of O’Neill. I’m going to give it a go.
Taking Delph off in 70th minute is the reason we’ve lost two FA Cup semi-finals in a row.
Its hella fun!
I think you could be right however remember Delph has not played many games since his return from injury and we should have defended the corner better when Ridgwell headed in the winner for Blues. <ouch>
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2010, 05:26:59 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
"Borderline mental"? What a horrible phrase, and it's not true anyway. Other than a penchant for tasteless cars and that nonsense about his hair and dead grandmas, I've not heard much about him to come to that over the top conclusion. It's not as if he's a psycho like Joey Barton. The reason he's up for sale is that Man City are a complete circus with a million attacking players. There are always going to be good players to be had from them, such as when Dunne was considered surplus to requirements last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 18, 2010, 05:48:35 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale. .
Chris. You know fine well we're not going to sign him, otherwise you wouldn't be playing the 'mental' card. Your tune would be somewhat different if MON raved about him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 18, 2010, 06:14:13 PM
sell Milner to City, bring in Ireland and Barton, sorted
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2010, 06:30:18 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Quote from: "Ads"
I like these future criticisms of O’Neill. I’m going to give it a go.
Taking Delph off in 70th minute is the reason we’ve lost two FA Cup semi-finals in a row.
Its hella fun!
I think you could be right however remember Delph has not played many games since his return from injury and we should have defended the corner better when Ridgwell headed in the winner for Blues. <ouch>
You should be banned for that and you should then book yourself into your nearest mental institution as you pose a significant risk to the public, you lunatic.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 18, 2010, 06:43:55 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
I think he plans to play a three. Petrov, Delph and Ireland perhaps? That's quite a lot of mobility in there, with Petrov's metronomic style clipping of passes to claret & blue shirts, coupled with Delph’s “fucking ‘av this soft lad!” approach to tackling.
Not bad. We’d need more cover though in there.
We certainly will need more cover as Delph will be lucky to be fully fit before the end of next season. Mentalist! (winky)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 18, 2010, 07:07:05 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
Ah good old dinosaur 4-4-2.
That's why you play Ireland in a free role in a 4-2-3-1.
Ah good old missing the point.
Who is it we're playing in this 3 given that Milner, Sidwell and Reo Coker are probably out of the door? Is it the other midfield player I said we'd need to buy so shouldn't be over spending on the over hyped Ireland?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 18, 2010, 07:12:31 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale. .
Chris. You know fine well we're not going to sign him, otherwise you wouldn't be playing the 'mental' card. Your tune would be somewhat different if MON raved about him.
Bollocks, Mark.
I think he's a good player, I wouldn't mind us signing him but he's a luxury player and not one you'd want to rely on away at Bolton in January. So for that reason if we sign him the price would have to be right, not as an excuse for them to knock £15m off the Milner money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 18, 2010, 07:16:36 PM
Why arent we going to sign Ireland?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2010, 07:16:44 PM
What would we be relying on him at Bolton for? Goals? Creativity? As I think we can.
If you're asking whether we'd rely on his industry and ability to break up play, then I'd say no, which is why I'd hope we'd be relying on Delph, Petrov and possibly one or two other midfield signings for that.
I think he's the sort of player we do need. I think he's better going forward than Milner, even if we forsake some of the midfield dynamism James offers, we can compensate for it with players like Delph and new faces far more easily than we can compensate for a lack of creativity.
I think he'll come as if he's going out the door then I'd have expected the Dunney Monster to have tapped him up.
As an aside I hear Witsel's been mentioned again. Imagine Delph and him in the same midfield? Ha ha!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 18, 2010, 07:27:17 PM
If we could sign Ireland, Keane and say Parker with the money from Milner , we'll still have our summer budget and money from offloaded players to bolster the rest of the squad with.
With Delph coming back around Christmas, I think we'd have a better balanced squad which would give us more flexibilty tactically.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 18, 2010, 07:32:01 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
If we could sign Ireland, Keane and say Parker with the money from Milner , we'll still have our summer budget and money from offloaded players to bolster the rest of the squad with.
With Delph coming back around Christmas, I think we'd have a better balanced squad which would give us more flexibilty tactically.
That would do for me Lee. Assuming we keep Luke Young (doubtful I know, but you never know):
Friedel Young Collins/Cuellar Dunne Warnock Downing Ireland Parker Young Gabby Keane
Has a nice balanced look about it. Bit more ingenuity from Keane and Ireland, although we'd need Downing to put a bit of work in. Delph could drop into a 5 man midfield when he's fit as well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 18, 2010, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
If we could sign Ireland, Keane and say Parker with the money from Milner , we'll still have our summer budget and money from offloaded players to bolster the rest of the squad with.
With Delph coming back around Christmas, I think we'd have a better balanced squad which would give us more flexibilty tactically.
THIS.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 18, 2010, 07:33:24 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
What would we be relying on him at Bolton for? Goals? Creativity? As I think we can.
If you're asking whether we'd rely on his industry and ability to break up play, then I'd say no, which is why I'd hope we'd be relying on Delph, Petrov and possibly one or two other midfield signings for that.
I think he's the sort of player we do need. I think he's better going forward than Milner, even if we forsake some of the midfield dynamism James offers, we can compensate for it with players like Delph and new faces far more easily than we can compensate for a lack of creativity.
I think he'll come as if he's going out the door then I'd have expected the Dunney Monster to have tapped him up.
As an aside I hear Witsel's been mentioned again. Imagine Delph and him in the same midfield? Ha ha!
Delph is out for most of the season though so that's not an option for now. I've said all along he's a good player but on his own he's no good to us so we need to buy somebody to do his running for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 18, 2010, 07:44:21 PM
He’s not out for most of the season, but I expect and also accept that he’ll be out till just before Christmas and it will probably take another month for him to get up to speed again. This is probably why I wouldn’t sell NRC until January and hence why I suggested new faces. I think we need three more attacking options, but then I’d also like to see one or two more come in on top of that.
I think its far easier to cover issues of tackling with the likes of Petrov, NRC, Delph and whoever else we bring in, than it is to forgo the extra vision and creativity he offers that we lack now, be it from the centre or on the right side of midfield.
I also think it worth adding that with a player like Ireland in the side, we’d end up needing less defensive industry because we’d have a player who create space and allow us to keep the ball for longer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 18, 2010, 08:16:07 PM
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Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale.
If we tried to play a midfield of Petrov and Ireland we'd be lucky to get in the top half, he's got ability but is not a replacement for Milner.
Ah good old dinosaur 4-4-2.
That's why you play Ireland in a free role in a 4-2-3-1.
Ah good old missing the point.
Who is it we're playing in this 3 given that Milner, Sidwell and Reo Coker are probably out of the door? Is it the other midfield player I said we'd need to buy so shouldn't be over spending on the over hyped Ireland?
Keep NRC for this season and use him a bit more.
Him, Ireland and Petrov as midfield trio.
I agree with Delph injured until Xmas we'd need another player to compete, get someone in like Dorrans or Veloso, both are younger and better value for money than Scott Parker I'd say.
I'm quite surprised you seem to be hitting so much on his attitude Chris, didn't Ireland go away one pre season and train really hard, running up mountains and stuff and what followed was the best season of his career.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on July 18, 2010, 08:40:08 PM
On the pitch Ireland never seems to play badly from what I have seen, albeit not as much as I would hope a scout may have if we are in for him. One thing is for certain though, at 23 and with the eye for goal he has, his next move will be in the Milner price bracket IMO. City might well be happy for him to go with the plethora of Italian style defensive holders to clog up a game and be reliant upon magic from Silva et al going forward, but Ireland will prove a bargain wherever he ends up. 10-15 goals a season from centre of midfield is exactly what you need to push on.
I agree we would have to play 4-3-3 / 4-5-1 to accomodate him, but Petrov, Ireland and Delph or Reo Coker or Parker as mentioned on here would be a formidable midfield, Gabby is very good up top on his own and Young, Downing, The Fonz, Keane even, are all well capable of playing that wide role in that formation. Rooney, Anelka, Van Persie etc have all played that wide role at some point for the good of the side, and in a 4-5-1 it naturally allows more goal threat from a wider player as there is more emphasis on them getting in the box and more defensive cover behind them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 18, 2010, 10:33:45 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
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Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale. .
Chris. You know fine well we're not going to sign him, otherwise you wouldn't be playing the 'mental' card. Your tune would be somewhat different if MON raved about him.
Bollocks, Mark.
I think he's a good player, I wouldn't mind us signing him but he's a luxury player and not one you'd want to rely on away at Bolton in January. So for that reason if we sign him the price would have to be right, not as an excuse for them to knock £15m off the Milner money.
Hedging your bets a bit there, Chris?
One moment he's a "borderline mentalist" and for sale because of his inconsistency, then minutes later he's a good player and you wouldn't mind us signing him,
Just in case?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 19, 2010, 12:39:26 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "LeeB"
If we could sign Ireland, Keane and say Parker with the money from Milner , we'll still have our summer budget and money from offloaded players to bolster the rest of the squad with.
With Delph coming back around Christmas, I think we'd have a better balanced squad which would give us more flexibilty tactically.
THIS.
Sadly, MoN strikes me as the sort of bloke who's wife might be flexible enough to put her ankles behind her head but he'd still insist on missionary position every night.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on July 19, 2010, 02:56:23 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
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Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale. .
Chris. You know fine well we're not going to sign him, otherwise you wouldn't be playing the 'mental' card. Your tune would be somewhat different if MON raved about him.
Bollocks, Mark.
I think he's a good player, I wouldn't mind us signing him but he's a luxury player and not one you'd want to rely on away at Bolton in January. So for that reason if we sign him the price would have to be right, not as an excuse for them to knock £15m off the Milner money.
Hedging your bets a bit there, Chris?
One moment he's a "borderline mentalist" and for sale because of his inconsistency, then minutes later he's a good player and you wouldn't mind us signing him,
Just in case?
In fairness to Chris I think he said from the start that he'd rather Milner over Ireland but he he wouldn't mind having both.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 19, 2010, 07:36:25 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "LeeB"
If we could sign Ireland, Keane and say Parker with the money from Milner , we'll still have our summer budget and money from offloaded players to bolster the rest of the squad with.
With Delph coming back around Christmas, I think we'd have a better balanced squad which would give us more flexibilty tactically.
THIS.
Sadly, MoN strikes me as the sort of bloke who's wife might be flexible enough to put her ankles behind her head but he'd still insist on missionary position every night.
THis.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 19, 2010, 08:07:51 AM
In regards to Ireland, I think a lot of people are putting 2 and 2 together to make 5. There is no evidence we want Ireland and I think MON will want the cash with no players in exchange.
Just as well, as I think Chris would short circuit.
He gave the Liverpool offer of players + cash for Barry short shrift, and I think it will be the same this time.
I believe the final figure will be £23m, but will officialy be 'undisclosed.'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 19, 2010, 08:48:01 AM
In fairness, the players being offered by Liverpool were shite. Ireland is significantly better than that. I would be amazed if MON wasnt interested in Ireland.
However, I wouldn't be suprised if any deal for Milner is straight cash and we negotiate a deal for Ireland seperately. It might sound daft but we might do better out of it that way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 19, 2010, 08:51:40 AM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
He gave the Liverpool offer of players + cash for Barry short shrift, and I think it will be the same this time.
It depends on what players are offered (if any), Liverpool were trying to offer there dross to us as part of any deal whereas Man City will have some useful players that will not see much game time next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 19, 2010, 09:01:35 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
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Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Rubbish Chris, Risso is spot on here. Ireland is just the player we need and a player who is perfect to work with our current manager. Robbie Keane, Stephen Ireland and £10m in the bank is IMO an amazing deal for Villa. With £25m in the bank no club will let their player go unless they rinse us for a top top price.
Its' not rubbish, he is border line mental and his inconsistency is the reason he's for sale. .
Chris. You know fine well we're not going to sign him, otherwise you wouldn't be playing the 'mental' card. Your tune would be somewhat different if MON raved about him.
Bollocks, Mark.
I think he's a good player, I wouldn't mind us signing him but he's a luxury player and not one you'd want to rely on away at Bolton in January. So for that reason if we sign him the price would have to be right, not as an excuse for them to knock £15m off the Milner money.
Hedging your bets a bit there, Chris?
One moment he's a "borderline mentalist" and for sale because of his inconsistency, then minutes later he's a good player and you wouldn't mind us signing him,
Just in case?
So where is the contradiction in that? I've never said he lacks ability. He's a player worth having at the right price but not one to build the side around as he has failed to demonstrate in his career to date that he has the consitency and maturity to take that responsibility and so should not be a pre-condition of the Milner sale as I think we'd get screwed on his value.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 19, 2010, 09:04:15 AM
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
He gave the Liverpool offer of players + cash for Barry short shrift, and I think it will be the same this time.
It depends on what players are offered (if any), Liverpool were trying to offer there dross to us as part of any deal whereas Man City will have some useful players that will not see much game time next season.
I imagine Liverpool offered us total shit like Insua and Deggen.
If they offered us Benayoun or Babel then maybe it would have been different.
Onuha and Ireland and £20m would be hard to turn down (cant see them offering that though). Young Right/Centre back and a midfielder who gets forward through the middle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 19, 2010, 09:25:52 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I think he's a good player, I wouldn't mind us signing him but he's a luxury player and not one you'd want to rely on away at Bolton in January.
Chris, with respect, have you got the right player here? Whenever I've seen Ireland play, he's put in a real shift, he's a box to box goalscoring type, he doesn't hide. He's not just a fair weather player, at all. I don't see why an away game in Bolton in the winter would affect Ireland, he's played in the PL his whole career and been used to those games every season....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2010, 09:31:16 AM
I think Ireland can match Milner's output in terms of goals and assists, but I share Chris' concerns over the defensive side of his game. The way I see it, is if you're playing him in a 4-4-2, you'll need a genuine holding player behind him, so a Petrov upgrade, which most of us thought we needed anyway. I also wouldn't say no to partnering him with NRC, who I'd play in the role he did so well in during the 07/08 season.
Having said that, I'd still want him though!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 19, 2010, 09:44:15 AM
Quote from: "Merv"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I think he's a good player, I wouldn't mind us signing him but he's a luxury player and not one you'd want to rely on away at Bolton in January.
Chris, with respect, have you got the right player here? Whenever I've seen Ireland play, he's put in a real shift, he's a box to box goalscoring type, he doesn't hide. He's not just a fair weather player, at all. I don't see why an away game in Bolton in the winter would affect Ireland, he's played in the PL his whole career and been used to those games every season....
Yes, I have got the right player thanks, Merv, but accept that it is just my view and others might see it differently.
I just don't see him as box to box, half way line to box more like. He's got an eye for a pass and scores goals but it comes at a cost as it leaves you more exposed. As others have said as part of 3 in the middle he'd be useful but if we're also, as rumoured, buying Robbie Keane how do you play both?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 19, 2010, 09:47:46 AM
Quote from: "Merv"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
I think he's a good player, I wouldn't mind us signing him but he's a luxury player and not one you'd want to rely on away at Bolton in January.
Chris, with respect, have you got the right player here? Whenever I've seen Ireland play, he's put in a real shift, he's a box to box goalscoring type, he doesn't hide. He's not just a fair weather player, at all. I don't see why an away game in Bolton in the winter would affect Ireland, he's played in the PL his whole career and been used to those games every season....
Have a look at the stats for the two seasons before last year, they back your view up completely (a view I share by the way). The season he was City's Player of the Year, he was almost the complete midfielder, with a high number of tackles, passes, goals and assists.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on July 19, 2010, 09:54:48 AM
Quote from: "clampy"
Well Mr Ireland is over in Australia with Man City at the moment, he scored for them yesterday.
Which is very impressive, considering they are playing in the USA at the moment! ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 19, 2010, 09:59:47 AM
I guess you'd have to pick your games to field both, we wouldn't have to select a formation at the start of the season and then stick with it (although....). I do think three midfielders suits us better, or suits our resources better, but I still think Stephen Ireland has the engine and the all-round game to function in a 4-4-2 in certain games, which would allow us to play both him and Keane. What we can't really do is have Ireland at CM and have two genuine wingers either side, we'd struggle then.
Ireland's a bit more adaptable than a luxury player (although I think it wouldn't hurt us to have the odd luxury player to give us something different) and I think he has a team ethic which would fit in well at Villa. He's not the strutting primadonna superstar type which would upset the dressing room, I don't think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2010, 10:34:31 AM
Regardless of whether we want him or not, I wonder what the likelihood would be of us being offered a certain, known-in-this-parish Elite Squad bound midfielder as part of this deal?
He's surely not going to get that much pitch time with their squad, is he?
In fact, to be quite honest, neither would Milner, I'd have thought. I'm sure they're after him mainly just so they can flash their financial big balls at the rest of the league, the horrible, nouveau scrotes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 19, 2010, 10:38:39 AM
If you mean Barry, absolutely zero likelihood.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 19, 2010, 11:05:48 AM
I dunno. MoN has gone back for former players. I think the odds are low considering what happened but we don't know how it was left on Barry's last day.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2010, 11:08:37 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
I dunno. MoN has gone back for former players. I think the odds are low considering what happened but we don't know how it was left on Barry's last day.
That's a sensible and balanced view.
And I still think there's more chance of me signing for Villa this summer than Gareth Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Surrey Villain on July 19, 2010, 11:13:13 AM
Interesting that Petrov doesn't include Milner in the list of Villa players he expects to face when Bulgaria come to Wembley in September.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 19, 2010, 12:30:31 PM
Wouldnt it be nice to get this sorted!
To me this is the ultimate acid test of martins ambition. He's proven he's sh*t at getting the contract sorted (which is amazing considering he rarely goes to the training sessions) and this has come back to bite him.
If we sell him then we are a selling club destined to rot in the same position year after year as players just begin to peak we get rid and bring in probably more centrebacks (as martin likes collecting them).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2010, 12:34:53 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Wouldnt it be nice to get this sorted!
To me this is the ultimate acid test of martins ambition. He's proven he's sh*t at getting the contract sorted (which is amazing considering he rarely goes to the training sessions) and this has come back to bite him.
If we sell him then we are a selling club destined to rot in the same position year after year as players just begin to peak we get rid and bring in probably more centrebacks (as martin likes collecting them).
Potentially the most bizarre post I've ever read on H&V.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 19, 2010, 01:08:00 PM
Well, I like the first line, it would be nice to sort it either way. However, im not that fussed about the decision being "nice", just whats best for us long term. As for the rest of the post, it is bizarre, yes. No idea what the man is getting at
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 19, 2010, 02:06:02 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
Well, I like the first line, it would be nice to sort it either way. However, im not that fussed about the decision being "nice", just whats best for us long term. As for the rest of the post, it is bizarre, yes. No idea what the man is getting at
I was just saying Martin could of started contract negotiations months ago, stopping this whole mess before it happened. Now we're going to probably sell him and prove we have the ambition of middle of the road club again.
but anyway. "martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, martin o'neill, "
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2010, 02:09:41 PM
Of course. Re-negotiating with a player less than two years into a four year deal is the way forward. If only you had told Martin this around Christmas, when you obviously thought of it yourself, we'd be in a much better position.
MON out!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 19, 2010, 02:12:44 PM
If a player wants to go then sometimes it's for the best- even utd had to let ronaldo go, and they are no middle of the road club.
Aston villa have and will survive again the loss of far better than milner- we move on as a club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 19, 2010, 02:17:35 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Of course. Re-negotiating with a player less than two years into a four year deal is the way forward. If only you had told Martin this around Christmas, when you obviously thought of it yourself, we'd be in a much better position.
MON out!
"oh look our best player this year has 2 years left on his contract, shall i offer him a new one to secure his long term future with an ambitious club orrrrrrr shall i leave it until man city come and bully us into selling?"
"hmmmmm"
"selling! and then i can buy a centreback to play at left back!"
And if we are thinking of it as 1/2 way through his contract why dont we grow a pair and just tell everyone we are not selling full stop.... nah.... lets be a selling club!
As i said this to me is the moment we find out how much martin wants to compete, if he thinks he can replace Milner with that money then we are in trouble, as we've all seen the premier league (the only place he will buy from) and know that we have one of those people who could be Massive on our hands.
If Milner puts in a transfer request then we have no choice but until he does why cant MON be as stubborn as he is with his dull tactics?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: damon loves JT on July 19, 2010, 02:17:41 PM
I've only worn that bastard t-shirt once, and all
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2010, 02:26:28 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "John M"
Of course. Re-negotiating with a player less than two years into a four year deal is the way forward. If only you had told Martin this around Christmas, when you obviously thought of it yourself, we'd be in a much better position.
MON out!
"oh look our best player this year has 2 years left on his contract, shall i offer him a new one to secure his long term future with an ambitious club orrrrrrr shall i leave it until man city come and bully us into selling?"
"hmmmmm"
"selling! and then i can buy a centreback to play at left back!"
And if we are thinking of it as 1/2 way through his contract why dont we grow a pair and just tell everyone we are not selling full stop.... nah.... lets be a selling club!
As i said this to me is the moment we find out how much martin wants to compete, if he thinks he can replace Milner with that money then we are in trouble, as we've all seen the premier league (the only place he will buy from) and know that we have one of those people who could be Massive on our hands.
If Milner puts in a transfer request then we have no choice but until he does why cant MON be as stubborn as he is with his dull tactics?
Uhm, we turned down the £20m Man City offered and haven't been hawking him round looking to sell. And the whole thing of how 'much we want to compete' being judged on selling/not selling Milner is more to do with the whole club, and by that I mean Randy and the board, than it does with the manager. As soon as the season finished he was off with England and still isn't back yet, so when exactly should we have talked about this new contract before City bid, which was late May/early June from memory? And before you answer that, remember he only became our best player in Jan when moved inside, so didn't really warrant a new contract until say March after he had done so well there for a while.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 19, 2010, 02:51:07 PM
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Uhm, we turned down the £20m Man City offered and haven't been hawking him round looking to sell.
no from the "sources" its a done deal, he's appearing on no promotional material and everyone is very very quiet about what is happening. no one else can afford the "price" on his head except the richboys of the bluecamp. A big "hes not for sale" would stop all of this.
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And the whole thing of how 'much we want to compete' being judged on selling/not selling Milner is more to do with the whole club, and by that I mean Randy and the board, than it does with the manager.
Randy and the board have given martin money only dreamt of under Ellis, they have made the ground lovely again and have been legends. Its Martins tactical ineptness and stuttering in the transfer market that i see as how much we want to compete. any manager who is willing to get rid of there best player isnt competing, they are selling. (see ferguson not winning the league)
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As soon as the season finished he was off with England and still isn't back yet, so when exactly should we have talked about this new contract before City bid, which was late May/early June from memory?
The season finished and what came out was "no worries we'll sort it after the world cup". That was a great bit of planning wasnt it! now lets look at mindsets
a) ive just signed a new contract and been told im the centrepiece of this teams future, no way im moving away
b) you know what they'll offer me twice as much as the current lot will and Villa arent in a rush to keep me.
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And before you answer that, remember he only became our best player in Jan when moved inside, so didn't really warrant a new contract until say March after he had done so well there for a while.
Id say hes been our best player all season by a mile and one of the few who can get better. but its ok, we can get scott parker in! YAY
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 19, 2010, 02:52:20 PM
Welcome to H&V stevenjos. I hope you forget your log in details with the most supernatural urgency.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 19, 2010, 02:52:28 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "John M"
Of course. Re-negotiating with a player less than two years into a four year deal is the way forward. If only you had told Martin this around Christmas, when you obviously thought of it yourself, we'd be in a much better position.
MON out!
"oh look our best player this year has 2 years left on his contract, shall i offer him a new one to secure his long term future with an ambitious club orrrrrrr shall i leave it until man city come and bully us into selling?"
Eh? To be utterly honest I think the best time to have got this sorted would be at the end of the season or in this kind of window we're in now by which time Man City had already expressed an interest.
Hindsight is a marvelous thing and we're all wise after the event. I mean who would have thought Sidwell would turn out to be useless?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 19, 2010, 02:56:21 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Welcome to H&V stevenjos. I hope you forget your log in details with the most supernatural urgency.
Hi ya. I feel really warmed by your welcome!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2010, 02:59:15 PM
1. Offering him a contract doesn't mean he'll sign it. If Man City bid when they did he'd have known about their interest for a while before that through his agent. 2. Only in your world is understanding that should the price get to a ridiculous level and the player wants to go then it is the best interests of the club translated to 'willing to get rid of our best player'. 3. Are you related to gregnash?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 19, 2010, 03:04:02 PM
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Welcome to H&V stevenjos. I hope you forget your log in details with the most supernatural urgency.
Leave him alone, he's alright, i actually agree with a lot of what he's saying, apart from he rates Milner far more highly than i do,
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 19, 2010, 03:07:05 PM
Quote from: "John M"
1. Offering him a contract doesn't mean he'll sign it. If Man City bid when they did he'd have known about their interest for a while before that through his agent. 2. Only in your world is understanding that should the price get to a ridiculous level and the player wants to go then it is the best interests of the club translated to 'willing to get rid of our best player'. 3. Are you related to gregnash?
are you related to MON ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 19, 2010, 03:07:46 PM
My thoughts:
That there is a clear difference between being a 'selling club' - which to my mind is actively deploying a policy of developing players and then selling them at a higher price, before replacing them with cheaper versions, developing them and getting into the same cycle - and accepting a hugely inflated fee for a player. No other club in the world would pay £20m for James Milner at this time, let alone contemplate £25m plus.
If you start re-negotiating contracts with more than half the current term to go, you've got to expect half the first team squad to start knocking on the manager's door, demanding the same. Milner's a good player who had a good season but I don't think he did enough to warrant a hugely improved contract being discussed months ago.
Personally, I'm at the stage now where I'm a bit worried City WON'T offer £25-£30m because I think selling Milner and re-investing in two or three to-class players might be the best way forward. I don't think that signifies a lack of ambition.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 19, 2010, 03:14:03 PM
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Quote from: "John M"
1. Offering him a contract doesn't mean he'll sign it. If Man City bid when they did he'd have known about their interest for a while before that through his agent. 2. Only in your world is understanding that should the price get to a ridiculous level and the player wants to go then it is the best interests of the club translated to 'willing to get rid of our best player'. 3. Are you related to gregnash?
are you related to MON ?
I have a large Irish family, so it's a distinct possibility.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 19, 2010, 03:26:49 PM
So whats the issue here? Just to ward off the spectre of Man City and their apparently limitless resources we should offer our players new contracts half way through existing ones? Doesn't sound like a very successful model to run a club to me. Very expensive.
However, I'm sure the club will offer him what we can and what he's worth (and a bit more besides perhaps). I dont see the relevance of when he's offered it. Before, after the World Cup. So what? That's between the club and Milner and if Man City have been in touch with him they should be prosecuted. If he wants out and doesnt sign a new contract offered to him, that's his choice. When, how or if he leaves is Villa's choice at the moment.
And though I'd rather keep him, if the offer is too good to refuse, we probably shouldn't. If its isnt too good to refuse, we will refuse it. We have. The only important factor to me is that Villa come out of this better off or else why bother?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 19, 2010, 05:10:15 PM
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Uhm, we turned down the £20m Man City offered and haven't been hawking him round looking to sell.
no from the "sources" its a done deal, he's appearing on no promotional material and everyone is very very quiet about what is happening. no one else can afford the "price" on his head except the richboys of the bluecamp. A big "hes not for sale" would stop all of this.
That's an interesting point.
I remember posting a piece from the Indy at the very start of all this which stated that Citeh fully expected to get Milner, and were quite happy to wait right to the end of the transfer window. So, they get their man and fuck us up in the process.
If the reports are correct, we said that their initial offer was below the 30 million valuation, rather than saying not at any price. If we had said the latter, would that have been the end of the matter?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 19, 2010, 05:20:33 PM
I think if we had said the latter, we would be in exactly the same position today. One thing is certain, every player has a price, regardless of how many "Hands off, not for sale" lines you run out. If Chelski really offer 50 million for Torres, I think he would go. And Spurs saying "Not for sale" is the same as a Manager getting a vote of confidence, they are on their way...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 19, 2010, 06:13:13 PM
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Uhm, we turned down the £20m Man City offered and haven't been hawking him round looking to sell.
no from the "sources" its a done deal, he's appearing on no promotional material and everyone is very very quiet about what is happening. no one else can afford the "price" on his head except the richboys of the bluecamp. A big "hes not for sale" would stop all of this.
That's an interesting point.
I remember posting a piece from the Indy at the very start of all this which stated that Citeh fully expected to get Milner, and were quite happy to wait right to the end of the transfer window. So, they get their man and fuck us up in the process.
If the reports are correct, we said that their initial offer was below the 30 million valuation, rather than saying not at any price. If we had said the latter, would that have been the end of the matter?
it wouldnt have been the end of the matter though would it, it never is
theres countless times clubs have said 'not for sale' only to sell when the player throws a mardy, or a offer to big to refuse comes in, in fact this is how it goes nine times out of ten with most transfers
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on July 19, 2010, 06:45:36 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
My thoughts:
That there is a clear difference between being a 'selling club' - which to my mind is actively deploying a policy of developing players and then selling them at a higher price, before replacing them with cheaper versions, developing them and getting into the same cycle - and accepting a hugely inflated fee for a player. No other club in the world would pay £20m for James Milner at this time, let alone contemplate £25m plus.
If you start re-negotiating contracts with more than half the current term to go, you've got to expect half the first team squad to start knocking on the manager's door, demanding the same. Milner's a good player who had a good season but I don't think he did enough to warrant a hugely improved contract being discussed months ago.
Personally, I'm at the stage now where I'm a bit worried City WON'T offer £25-£30m because I think selling Milner and re-investing in two or three to-class players might be the best way forward. I don't think that signifies a lack of ambition.
I agree Merv, It's not quite the same, because of the budget difference, and to be frank, he's had a better success rate but Arsenal are a selling club, They brought big with the Wiltords and the Reyes' but they got the likes of Anelka, Viera, Overmars, Hleb etc. on the cheap, served their purpose then turned huge profits on them before building the next generation. He's good a huge scouting network with a brilliant success rate which is making Arse a sustainable business in the long run, more clubs should be taking their cues from Le Professor. The team of today will be completely different in 4/5 years time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dubrum on July 19, 2010, 07:38:43 PM
I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 19, 2010, 07:53:38 PM
Yes just a manager who has won three serie A titles and 4 Coppa Italias.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 19, 2010, 08:01:37 PM
Quote from: "Dubrum"
I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Dear lord, I've read it all now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dubrum on July 19, 2010, 08:02:30 PM
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Yes just a manager who has won three serie A titles and 4 Coppa Italias.
only 1 of those leagues was won on da pitch.and just because you were a good manager in a foreign country dont mean you will be good in the prem,sure just look at tha spanish eeijet who was at liverpool.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dubrum on July 19, 2010, 08:05:06 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
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I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Dear lord, I've read it all now.
Wha are ya bleedin saying? stop disrespecting our manager,he's one of da best in the world
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 19, 2010, 08:05:10 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Dubrum"
I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Dear lord, I've read it all now.
Hmm yes, Mancini has never won anything!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 19, 2010, 08:09:29 PM
1 Serie A title won on the pitch is still worth more than any number of trophies in Scotland with a team like Celtic or is Big Eck who won as much in Scotland with less money a genius too?
Martin's two league cups with Leicester were a fantastic achievement but so are Mancini's Coppa Italias with near bankrupt teams like Fiorentina and Lazio.
Martin is a good manager but to portray Mancini as some kind of talentless mug is a bit of an injustice.
And FSW did win the Champions League with Liverpool...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 19, 2010, 08:30:20 PM
O neill is nowhere near the same class as Mancini-martin o neill has achieved success in Scotland as did strachan , and strachan is not a good manager.
Mancini will go very close to winning the premier league in the next 2 seasons and ancelotti reckons they are chelseas biggest rivals this season , more than utd.
I don't like it either but let's not kid ourselves that o neill is better than Mancini- that is laughable!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 19, 2010, 08:31:49 PM
Stop getting wound up by a nose.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 19, 2010, 08:33:29 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Mancini will go very close to winning the premier league in the next 2 seasons
With the amount of money he'll have spent, i would have thought so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 19, 2010, 09:03:54 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Stop getting wound up by a nose.
Who's a nose?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 19, 2010, 09:06:35 PM
Quote from: "Dubrum"
I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Although he may play with more than one tactic! =0D
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 19, 2010, 09:06:57 PM
I think he's referring to Dubrum.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: markus209 on July 19, 2010, 09:32:09 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Dubrum"
I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Although he may play with more than one tactic! =0D
O'Neill does! If long ball up to Carew isn't working switch to long ball up to Heskey ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 19, 2010, 09:39:40 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Stop getting wound up by a nose.
No-let them carry on.
Its highly entertaining to watch these "super intelligent" H & V'ers tripping over themselves to reply to such pathetic bait.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2010, 10:15:13 PM
Stop it all of you. Milner is NOT going anywhere. We , the fans, are going to use Cameron's Big Society idea to buy him and loan him back to the Club. We will charge the club 100 pounds per yard covered by Jimmy on the pitch . The Big Society will break even sometime in season 2015/16 and this idea is inline with the long term aspirations and people power for BIG SOCIETY as described by DC.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mac on July 19, 2010, 10:16:28 PM
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I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Dear lord, I've read it all now.
Wha are ya bleedin saying? stop disrespecting our manager,he's one of da best in the world
this might go down well in "da hood" but we're mostly old farts here and speak the Queen's English not Ghetto.
thanks
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 19, 2010, 10:20:00 PM
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I like these future criticisms of O’Neill. I’m going to give it a go.
Taking Delph off in 70th minute is the reason we’ve lost two FA Cup semi-finals in a row.
Its hella fun!
I think you could be right however remember Delph has not played many games since his return from injury and we should have defended the corner better when Ridgwell headed in the winner for Blues. <ouch>
You should be banned for that and you should then book yourself into your nearest mental institution as you pose a significant risk to the public, you lunatic.
Just check in at Highcroft. Changed a lot since my last stint. Made friends with Coopers Injury already!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 19, 2010, 10:25:27 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Stop it all of you. Milner is NOT going anywhere. We , the fans, are going to use Cameron's Big Society idea to buy him and loan him back to the Club. We will charge the club 100 pounds per yard covered by Jimmy on the pitch . The Big Society will break even sometime in season 2015/16 and this idea is inline with the long term aspirations and people power for BIG SOCIETY as described by DC.
I think you're misunderstanding the plans as outlined for the BIG SOCIETY by our glorious coalition government.
Under the plans, you will have the chance to contribute by actually being James Milner. Think of it as your way of giving something back.
Why, I myself am going to be Habib Beye, Mark Fletcher is already in training to take over to become Richard Dunne, and Mark Kelly is consuming 15,000 calories and 80 fags a day to become John Robertson.
Chris is doing his bit by becoming Jack Woodward.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 20, 2010, 01:43:18 AM
Can we keep your Labourite whinging to the Off-Topic section please?
Anyway, did anybody hear Mancini state that the Italian player they're after may be their last business of the summer? Could be a tactic to try and “scare” us, not that I imagine we’re baulked by media games or it could be good news that they’re not going to continue their pursuit.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 20, 2010, 05:03:10 PM
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I hope he stays as he was bleedin world class last season and if he goes to city he won't working with such a good manager as martin.
Dear lord, I've read it all now.
Wha are ya bleedin saying? stop disrespecting our manager,he's one of da best in the world
this might go down well in "da hood" but we're mostly old farts here and speak the Queen's English not Ghetto.
thanks
Word.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 20, 2010, 05:19:23 PM
Martin and Milner are good, not the best and certainly not world class.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 21, 2010, 09:40:38 AM
as i have said many many times before, Mr Milner isnt going anywhere Apparantly the deal has gone stale and james milner is staying at villa. I think Ashley Young wouldnt of come out and said what he said about wanting to stay if he thought milner was doing one.
The days of us being a feeder club are long gone
Get robbie keane in for a couple of seasons, score some of them goals that heskey was missing last season , get us into 4th place, then we can attract the better players :-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 21, 2010, 10:10:44 AM
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as i have said many many times before, Mr Milner isnt going anywhere Apparantly the deal has gone stale and james milner is staying at villa. I think Ashley Young wouldnt of come out and said what he said about wanting to stay if he thought milner was doing one.
The days of us being a feeder club are long gone
Get robbie keane in for a couple of seasons, score some of them goals that heskey was missing last season , get us into 4th place, then we can attract the better players :-)
Unfortunately, I have heard he is going. Verbal agreement before Milner went on hols. It will move when he is back.
I think that is why we are linked to more players and why the players eg Downing & Petrov have spoken in the press.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 21, 2010, 10:29:38 AM
verbal agreement maybe but it isnt a binding contract :-)
Manchester City are in talks to sign Brazil's £30m-rated World Cup midfielder Ramires from Benfica after a deal for Aston Villa's James Milner stalled.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 21, 2010, 10:31:39 AM
I dont see how he can have had a verbal agreement with Man City when he hasn't had permission to speak with them.
File under 'Owshty Bowsh'.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 21, 2010, 10:32:57 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I dont see how he can have had a verbal agreement with Man City when he hasn't had permission to speak with them.
File under 'Owshty Bowsh'.
I meant the club not the player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 21, 2010, 10:35:16 AM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
verbal agreement maybe but it isnt a binding contract :-)
Manchester City are in talks to sign Brazil's £30m-rated World Cup midfielder Ramires from Benfica after a deal for Aston Villa's James Milner stalled.
Correct. But I think that story is rubbish. One of the reasons they want Milner is that it helps with the home grown quota.
Also why buy an untested Ramires (in the Prem) for £22m when you can get Milner for probably £3m more??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on July 21, 2010, 10:39:27 AM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
Manchester City are in talks to sign Brazil's £30m-rated World Cup midfielder Ramires from Benfica after a deal for Aston Villa's James Milner stalled.
Haven't they just sold the Argie guy for big money as well? De Angel?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 21, 2010, 10:41:00 AM
Pmk - I admire your optimism but don't believe all you read in the papers, I understand that milner wants to leave and therefore it's best to let him go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 21, 2010, 10:46:38 AM
booooooooooooooooo
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 21, 2010, 10:57:05 AM
Quote from: "east19"
Pmk - I admire your optimism but don't believe all you read in the papers, I understand that milner wants to leave and therefore it's best to let him go.
First things first.
Man City have to make us an offer that we find acceptable. Only then can Milner decide if he wants to go or not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on July 21, 2010, 10:59:08 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "east19"
Pmk - I admire your optimism but don't believe all you read in the papers, I understand that milner wants to leave and therefore it's best to let him go.
First things first.
Man City have to make us an offer that we find acceptable. Only then can Milner decide if he wants to go or not.
Absofuckinglutely.
UTV The Doc
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 21, 2010, 11:07:11 AM
Chris, milner met with mon and randy before the world cup when city had made their knowledge known and even mon has admitted there's little the club can do if a player wants to go, obviously we have to agree a fee but remember the yorke man utd situation?
I want players here who are solely committed to playing for Aston villa , not wishing they were elsewhere.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 21, 2010, 11:12:32 AM
Quote from: "east19"
Chris, milner met with mon and randy before the world cup when city had made their knowledge known and even mon has admitted there's little the club can do if a player wants to go, obviously we have to agree a fee but remember the yorke man utd situation?
I want players here who are solely committed to playing for Aston villa , not wishing they were elsewhere.
I do remember the Yorke situation but more pertinently I remember the Barry to Liverpool debacle. Randy and MON have shown that they will not cave in, it's up to Man City to either match our valuation of fuck off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on July 21, 2010, 11:12:57 AM
If he doesn't go and doesn't sign a new contract, what do people think will happen this time next year? I think he will be sold for about the same price as Barry was...Is Randy willing to sacrifice 20 million for one season?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tonyh on July 21, 2010, 11:14:41 AM
It's about the football club not an individuals needs.
If they want him and he wants to go then it will only be on our terms
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 21, 2010, 11:20:29 AM
Sell now for £25m or in a year for £12m- I know what i'd do, particularly if the player makes known he's not going to sign a new contract, £25m is far more than milner is worth in any case and if invested well could see us strengthen our team.
Unless James milner wants to commit to Aston villa then it's in our interest to sell him at that price , I think it will end up being around £23m personally.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 21, 2010, 11:20:59 AM
Sell now for £25m or in a year for £12m- I know what i'd do, particularly if the player makes known he's not going to sign a new contract, £25m is far more than milner is worth in any case and if invested well could see us strengthen our team.
Unless James milner wants to commit to Aston villa then it's in our interest to sell him at that price , I think it will end up being around £23m personally.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2010, 11:21:07 AM
No way is Milner worth 25+ million.
I know the "If Lescott is worth x, then Milner is worth y" argument, but the fact is, Lescott wasn't worth what he went for, either.
Manchester City are absolutely insane. Apart from anything else, they don't actually need him.
Much as I dislike selling our best players, and much as I worry that MON will use a big chunk of it to go out and buy a pointless water carrier like Jenas, at that kind of price, bollocks, he can go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 21, 2010, 11:30:29 AM
But they haven't made that offer yet, Paulie.
I get the impression that they don't want to be made to look mugs like they were last summer with Lescott so will not just offer silly money.
If it turns out to be something like £10m plus Ireland then I wouldn't be interested..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 21, 2010, 11:31:15 AM
Mirror reckons citeh are after the Brazillian Ramires now as an alternative to milner. Which is nice.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 21, 2010, 11:31:54 AM
I dont think he is world class. I do think though that if he makes the same improvement this season as he did last season, he will be that or close to, he certainly has the appetite to. And we will have benefitted if he stays. What price that? In one years time if he hasnt extended a contract, and is deemed world class, there is the advantage of a bidding war for a top player
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 21, 2010, 11:41:36 AM
In one years time he will be in the final year of his contract and any price would be greatly reduced or he could do a joe cole and see his contract out and go for not a penny!
The players these days hold all the aces, sadly for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2010, 11:42:19 AM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
I dont think he is world class. I do think though that if he makes the same improvement this season as he did last season, he will be that or close to, he certainly has the appetite to. And we will have benefitted if he stays. What price that? In one years time if he hasnt extended a contract, and is deemed world class, there is the advantage of a bidding war for a top player
He's a good player who shows lots of promise, but he is absolutely light years from being world class, far more than the amount he improved by last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on July 21, 2010, 11:50:09 AM
Quote from: "east19"
The players these days hold all the aces, sadly for us.
But Milner would be a mug if he went to Man City, particularly with the 'shoot first, aim later' strategy they have in the transfer market - and Mancini is a manager who is hardly proven in the Premier league. What's the odds he'll be fired by Christmas?
If he really wants to go he should sit tight until the likes of Chelsea or Man Utd make an offer. Otherwise he's better off at Villa - that's if he wants to play regularly at a stable club and ensure he keeps his place with England.
Of course he could just be thinking about the cash. *shrug*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 21, 2010, 11:51:02 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
But they haven't made that offer yet, Paulie.
I get the impression that they don't want to be made to look mugs like they were last summer with Lescott so will not just offer silly money.
If it turns out to be something like £10m plus Ireland then I wouldn't be interested..
Yep, was just talking about the suggestions of an offer that high.
I think they're mental, regardless, mind.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 21, 2010, 11:52:25 AM
One thing about Jimmy is that although he may have had his head turned by all the oil money, I still think he'll be honest and straightforward with Martin and the board. So it will be clear he wants to go and we'll know to get what we can. I can't see a situation where he'll run his contract down.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 21, 2010, 11:59:10 AM
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I get the impression that they don't want to be made to look mugs like they were last summer with Lescott so will not just offer silly money.
yep just like offering yar yar toure 200k a week LOL
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 21, 2010, 12:50:34 PM
Here's a totally crazy scenario that obviously could never, ever happen:
City don't increase their bid - and as far as I can tell they have made just one, at £18m plus £2m in assorted add-ons, which may or may not materialise - or come back with one not significantly higher (after all, they've pushed it on fees and wages to land Silva and Toure, plus Boateng and that Serbian left-back, so I think it's reasonable to assume Milner has never been their top target.)
At the start of the season, it becomes clear that City will not be bidding for Milner.
Sometime over the first few months of the season, Milner is offered, and accepts, a new Villa deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 21, 2010, 12:53:39 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
Here's a totally crazy scenario that obviously could never, ever happen:
City don't increase their bid - and as far as I can tell they have made just one, at £18m plus £2m in assorted add-ons, which may or may not materialise - or come back with one not significantly higher (after all, they've pushed it on fees and wages to land Silva and Toure, plus Boateng and that Serbian left-back, so I think it's reasonable to assume Milner has never been their top target.)
At the start of the season, it becomes clear that City will not be bidding for Milner.
Sometime over the first few months of the season, Milner is offered, and accepts, a new Villa deal.
Madness!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 21, 2010, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
Here's a totally crazy scenario that obviously could never, ever happen:
City don't increase their bid - and as far as I can tell they have made just one, at £18m plus £2m in assorted add-ons, which may or may not materialise - or come back with one not significantly higher (after all, they've pushed it on fees and wages to land Silva and Toure, plus Boateng and that Serbian left-back, so I think it's reasonable to assume Milner has never been their top target.)
At the start of the season, it becomes clear that City will not be bidding for Milner.
Sometime over the first few months of the season, Milner is offered, and accepts, a new Villa deal.
I hope so. I really think that would be the best option for both him and the club. He's only young, he got plenty of time to get his big move, and while plenty on here think we won't struggle to replace him, i think he's more important to the team than many realise. i'd much rather keep him than possibly fund a major spending spree from the proceeds of selling him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 21, 2010, 12:57:53 PM
I know... someone take me away!
It's just.... for a done deal it's taking some time. The fact that the World Cup was on for a month doesn't hinder two PL clubs agreeing a fee for a player. Contract negotiations are mostly done by the player's agent, so....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 22, 2010, 12:38:55 PM
So he wants to leave. Lets screw as much money out of the bastards as we can. Preferably with Ireland involved in some way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheTimVilla on July 22, 2010, 12:39:54 PM
SSN reporting MoN as saying that Milner wants to leave and that he can, at the right price.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 12:41:06 PM
Now let's do the deal and move on- o neill says he can go so surely we have players in mind.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 22, 2010, 12:42:54 PM
Let him go then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 22, 2010, 12:45:01 PM
Oh happy days.
Fuck him then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimsta on July 22, 2010, 12:46:28 PM
Gutted but if Ireland, Richards and some money come our way more than happy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 22, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
Too right fuck him off for anything over £20 million with a player or 2 our way but not Barry please.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 12:47:49 PM
How about getting Santa cruz on a yr loan as part of the deal and Ireland in part ex plus £15m?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on July 22, 2010, 12:47:56 PM
Quote from: "TimVilla"
SSN reporting MoN as saying that Milner wants to leave and that he can, at the right price.
Cheerio then. He no longer figures in my thinking in that case. He won't be good enough for Man City's midfield by the end of next season anyway and will suffer the same fate as Custard Pants will this season. Shame, but then he's over-rated anyway, just like most English players....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 22, 2010, 12:51:51 PM
I still have to keep pinching myself that Manchester City are able to steal the best players of clubs like Villa and Everton. Can't they go back to being in the third tier and worshiping journeymen like Shaun Goater?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jon Crofts on July 22, 2010, 01:00:38 PM
Sell him to a Serie A club & watch him struggle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 01:01:28 PM
Apparently o neill was trying to offer him a vastly improved contract but milner wasn't interested and stated he wanted to go to Manchester city- what price loyalty in football these days?
O neill says he can join city but the fee to be agreed still.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:01:55 PM
Bye Milner you ugly ******.
I'll be booing you when you come back to Villa Park.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 01:01:58 PM
After we gave him his own Chuck Norriseque thread too. Fucking jug eared judas.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid1964 on July 22, 2010, 01:03:52 PM
Get the deal done as quickly as Barry's was last summer!!
Agree a fee and bye bye James!!
Just hope that the money we receive is spent on quality players and not players just to boos the squad size!
With 20+ million surely we can buy a couple of top quality footballers that are going to make the difference and not just sit on the bench each week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheMalandro on July 22, 2010, 01:05:21 PM
He is the future of the England midfield, with that and new rules about homegrown talent, I think thirty million is not ridiculous.
Disappointed however. Life goes on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 22, 2010, 01:05:56 PM
Well I'm glad it's all out in the open.
He's dead to me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:06:32 PM
Apparantly we want £30m.
Ireland could be included in the deal.
Hopefully.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 22, 2010, 01:06:45 PM
I had a lot of time and love for Milner but I can't help feeling it's a major flaw in a player's character if they want to effectively move sideways to a club that will pay them massive bonuses but can't guarantee them Champions League football or any significant improvement on the level of football they're receiving at Villa (top four challenge, occasional cup finals, more or less guaranteed international football).
Contrary to that, City have yet to reach a final since they started throwing their money around, and he most certainly would not be guaranteed international football if he's going to sit on the Eastlands bench for a good portion of the season.
Thanks James, and goodbye.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:06:56 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Well I'm glad it's all out in the open.
He's dead to me.
Hope he rots in hell :)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DB on July 22, 2010, 01:07:28 PM
He's going to be a jouneyman, how many clubs has he had already? I bet he will beat Bellamy or Keane for the number of clubs when he retires.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: AsTallAsLions on July 22, 2010, 01:09:08 PM
Quote from: "DB"
He's going to be a jouneyman, how many clubs has he had already? I bet he will beat Bellamy or Keane for the number of clubs when he retires.
Leeds, Newcastle, Villa. Three; hardly huge numbers for a 24 year old.
He's moving because City have flashed huge bills at him, not because he's restless for somewhere new.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt Collins on July 22, 2010, 01:09:29 PM
It's not a sideways move though is it? With that amount of money, Citeh will be playing champions league football within 2 years I'm sure.
We're much more unlikely to.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on July 22, 2010, 01:10:07 PM
Interesting stance of our two best players. Ashley Young - I have a lot to thank Villa for an want to commit to the club etc.... Milner, arguable who has more to be grateful for wants to feck off for the dirty pound. Bye James. Don't let... did it hurt?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 22, 2010, 01:11:00 PM
Half of me hopes this deal isn't done until after the Walsall game on Tuesday.Then O'Neil can put him out and we can boo him.Come to think of it didn't he do that to Barry ???
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 22, 2010, 01:11:31 PM
Depressing really. Are there any players at the club convinced of our ambitions? Young next summer?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 01:11:45 PM
Quote from: "AsTallAsLions"
Quote from: "DB"
He's going to be a jouneyman, how many clubs has he had already? I bet he will beat Bellamy or Keane for the number of clubs when he retires.
Leeds, Newcastle, Villa. Three; hardly huge numbers for a 24 year old.
He's moving because City have flashed huge bills at him, not because he's restless for somewhere new.
He also left Newcastle to join us because we flashed more money at him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 22, 2010, 01:12:04 PM
Not sure about getting it done quickly if Mancini's comments are anything to go by:
Quote
City are wary of being exploited and while Roberto Mancini this week admitted he wanted Milner, he warned the asking price was too high.
'When Manchester City want to buy a player, other clubs ask much more than is normal,' said the Italian. 'This is not good and it is not right.
'We have bought three good players already but now Inter Milan, for example, are asking a lot of money for Mario Balotelli, and we want to wait.
'We are interested in good players like Balotelli and Milner but we have time before the market closes in August. We have a lot of different choices.'
Perhaps MON speaking out today is an attempt to force the issue one way or another.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 01:12:49 PM
He will be it hard to hold down a regular start at city but I suppose he will be busy counting the cash.
We have lost far better than milner and moved forwards and we will do so again- onwards and upwards!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:21:09 PM
http://www.twitter.com/juliette_grace
She is breaking the story, she has just spoke to MON and is now meeting Dunne.
Check her tweets.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 22, 2010, 01:21:26 PM
I think this is great news, we need to get our new players in before the start of the season so we can get off to a flyer!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: CJ on July 22, 2010, 01:21:52 PM
Disappointing. Personally I don't think he'll last at Citeh - he won't get the same amount of game time as he would at Villa, and believe Mancini is just buying decent English players to bolster his squad ready for when the home-grown rules kick in. I think the move could signal the beginning of a decline in his international career and he'll move on again in a couple of years.
I really thought Milner had more balls about him but like the rest he's just a money chasing journeyman and it all just adds to my increasing disillusionment with the modern game. My son is now getting more enjoyment by going to Conference/League 2 games rather than the Villa after I blooded him as a Villa fan 20 years ago at the tender age of 5. And after supporting the Villa for 35 years, most of which as a ST holder, I'm starting to think about following my son to the lower leagues.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:23:52 PM
He'll be back at Newcastle or Leeds within 3 years.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MattW on July 22, 2010, 01:25:54 PM
I can't imagine any Villa fan retaining any goodwill for him. We were prepared to build the team around him and it wasn't good enough. Returns to Villa Park will be particularly acrimonious.
Interesting to see how Martin and the team react to this. We may grow from it. We'll have clout in the transfer market, and should get three players we really need in to replace him. Interesting that Young apparently had a good start to the season playing in a new role, and seemed particularly chipper after the game. Just that single interview; he seemed to have matured. Milner's departure might give greater responsibility to those who are ready to take it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 01:27:41 PM
From that R5 reporter's Twitter thing:
martin o'neill: "james intimated he wanted to leave before he left for the world cup. I haven't spoken to him since."
So, not interested to hear what we had to say re money?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 22, 2010, 01:28:10 PM
Fuck off then Lee Evans.
My only fear is that we'll replace him with a player around the 30 year mark - Parker.
Need to start thinking about the age of our squad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 22, 2010, 01:28:57 PM
If he does leave, fuck him!!
And Fuck Barry as well
They can keep each other warm on the subs' bench at Man City by setting fire to large piles of 50 pound notes, the greedy pair of fuckers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 22, 2010, 01:30:08 PM
Let him rot at man city like barry will do
So he is off for the money then because he will never play every week and some weeks he may even be in the reserves
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 22, 2010, 01:31:43 PM
As we were then. Milner wants to go, City need to make a decent offer.
May... June.. July.... August in a week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 01:31:48 PM
Does this mean we won't have to pay him when he leaves?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on July 22, 2010, 01:32:21 PM
Quote from: "Chico Hamilton III"
If he does leave, fuck him!!
And Fuck Barry as well
They can keep each other warm on the subs' bench at Man City by setting fire to large piles of 50 pound notes, the greedy pair of fuckers.
I agree Chico..........James who ? UTV
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 01:32:33 PM
I hope the Ghost of Saddam Hussein declares Abu Dhabi province 20.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:32:36 PM
Depends on if he hands in a transfer request.
Which he won't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 01:33:15 PM
Whoever we are after though the price will go up a couple of million now that know we have the cash to spend, I know this will go down badly but I think mon would take Barry back if the option was put to him , but his valuation would be about £5m max.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:33:55 PM
Barry has been and gone, I hope he is not involved in any move for Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namaste on July 22, 2010, 01:34:44 PM
This is a shame that as soon as a player does well for us he gets unsettled by money. To be honest I guess Milner feels as though he has a better chance of silverware by moving.
I just hope we invest the money wisely and not on Scott Parker, yes he's a good player but I believe Wet Spam have said already they would hold us to ransom.
Flamini would be perfect for us as buying a player from a PL team would cost us as they know we are flush with the Milner money!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on July 22, 2010, 01:34:51 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
http://www.twitter.com/juliette_grace
She is breaking the story, she has just spoke to MON and is now meeting Dunne.
Check her tweets.
"james intimated he wanted to leave before he left for the world cup. I haven't spoken to him since."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 22, 2010, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Whoever we are after though the price will go up a couple of million now that know we have the cash to spend, I know this will go down badly but I think mon would take Barry back if the option was put to him , but his valuation would be about £5m max.
That's why we have to do some bargaining around Ireland and maybe Bellamy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 22, 2010, 01:35:34 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Barry has been and gone, I hope he is not involved in any move for Milner.
I don't think so, but if he came back it would be
'I should never have left, this club has always been in my blood, I never really wanted to leave.'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 22, 2010, 01:37:35 PM
£10 million + ireland and Bellamy :-)
with that 10 million go get parker
Drop petrov and have ireland and parker in the middle :-)
James who ??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 22, 2010, 01:39:04 PM
£10 million + ireland and Bellamy :-)
with that 10 million go get parker
Drop petrov and have ireland and parker in the middle :-)
James who ??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 01:39:13 PM
If - if - he goes to Man City, you've got to wonder what the fuck is happening to English football.
Yaya Toure, Silva, Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Adam Johnson, Vieira, SWP
They can't all play, so how depressing to see one of the so-called future of England players going somewhere he, and another England midfielder, are going to be spending most of their time on the bench, or in the "Elite Squad"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 22, 2010, 01:39:35 PM
Let him rot at man city like barry will do
So he is off for the money then because he will never play every week and some weeks he may even be in the reserves
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Hammer on July 22, 2010, 01:39:41 PM
I can see a p/x for Barry happening, regrettably.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on July 22, 2010, 01:40:51 PM
Daniel Taylor (Guardian) on Twitter:
"#AVFC want £30m for Milner, #MCFC have bid £18m+£2m add-ons. They will prob compromise about £25m. Possible Ireland or Onuoha included."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 22, 2010, 01:42:06 PM
Let's go £20m, plus Ireland and Onuoha. See what happens....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 01:42:27 PM
I really really hope we don't go for Barry.
£25m + Ireland or £20m + Ireland and Onuha.
Use the £25m to sign..
Keane £6m Bentley £7m Parker £10m
Friedel
Onuha Cuellar Dunne Warnock
Bentley Parker Ireland Young
Keane Agbonlahor
What you think?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 22, 2010, 01:42:56 PM
Quote from: "Hammer"
I can see a p/x for Barry happening, regrettably.
I don't think either us or the player would want that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 22, 2010, 01:43:22 PM
If you can't keep your best players, you are by definition a selling club. Citeh can't get the best players because at the top level ambition still comes before money otherwise, Rooney, terry, Torres, Fabregas would be there. We're going to have our best players picked off every summer like in the ellis years unless we get fourth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 22, 2010, 01:43:33 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
If - if - he goes to Man City, you've got to wonder what the fuck is happening to English football.
Yaya Toure, Silva, Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Adam Johnson, Vieira, SWP
They can't all play, so how depressing to see one of the so-called future of England players going somewhere he, and another England midfielder, are going to be spending most of their time on the bench, or in the "Elite Squad"
Can't even play for that "Elite Squad" bollocks, as that's for "youth development".
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 22, 2010, 01:44:48 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Hammer"
I can see a p/x for Barry happening, regrettably.
I don't think either us or the player would want that.
We don't want it, but I bet that fat arsed bastard wouldn't object. He knows his days are numbered there and I think he'd come back in an instant.
Fucking hope not though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2010, 01:45:28 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
Let's go £20m, plus Ireland and Onuoha. See what happens....
£20m plus Ireland, or £15m and Ireland and Onuoha. Spend the £15m on a striker, sell Heskey, persuade Luke Young to stay, summer transfer dealings sorted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 22, 2010, 01:45:41 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
If - if - he goes to Man City, you've got to wonder what the fuck is happening to English football.
Yaya Toure, Silva, Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Adam Johnson, Vieira, SWP
They can't all play, so how depressing to see one of the so-called future of England players going somewhere he, and another England midfielder, are going to be spending most of their time on the bench, or in the "Elite Squad"
Yeah. You wonder, do any of these players ask, 'so, where will I be playing?' during transfer talks?
As Mancini signed them, you have to imagine Toure and Silva are nailed-on starters, Milner too. What, then, for the others? And Landon Donovan and Balotelli supposedly coming in too... it's crazy. They'll have two world class or top class players for every position!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on July 22, 2010, 01:46:29 PM
The thing is Milner wont 'rot' on the bench, he will move for a contract that will set up not just him but probably his grandchildren for life, if he isn't playing in 12 months time he'll have the bulk of his contract paid up and move on for another big signing on fee. It will be the football equivalent of playing forty nights in the Las Vegas casinos.
It stinks, I can empathise with those who have given up on PL football.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 01:46:41 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
If - if - he goes to Man City, you've got to wonder what the fuck is happening to English football.
Yaya Toure, Silva, Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Adam Johnson, Vieira, SWP
They can't all play, so how depressing to see one of the so-called future of England players going somewhere he, and another England midfielder, are going to be spending most of their time on the bench, or in the "Elite Squad"
Yeah. You wonder, do any of these players ask, 'so, where will I be playing?' during transfer talks?
As Mancini signed them, you have to imagine Toure and Silva are nailed-on starters, Milner too. What, then, for the others? And Landon Donovan and Balotelli supposedly coming in too... it's crazy. They'll have two world class or top class players for every position!
They know the price of everything, but the value of nothing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 22, 2010, 01:47:00 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Merv"
Let's go £20m, plus Ireland and Onuoha. See what happens....
£20m plus Ireland, or £15m and Ireland and Onuoha. Spend the £15m on a striker, sell Heskey, persuade Luke Young to stay, summer transfer dealings sorted.
I reckon they'll value Ireland at about £8m, Onuoha at about £4m.
Those 2 + about £10m.
Although I still think MON wants dosh only.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2010, 01:47:44 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
If you can't keep your best players, you are by definition a selling club. Citeh can't get the best players because at the top level ambition still comes before money otherwise, Rooney, terry, Torres, Fabregas would be there. We're going to have our best players picked off every summer like in the ellis years unless we get fourth.
Spurs have sold Carrick and Berbatov in recent years. They're used to wheeling and dealing there, and it hasn't stopped them achieving 4th. Manchester United are a selling club by your definition. I wouldn't get so hung up on selling players, it's how they're replaced that matters.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on July 22, 2010, 01:48:27 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Hammer"
I can see a p/x for Barry happening, regrettably.
I don't think either us or the player would want that.
We don't want it, but I bet that fat arsed bastard wouldn't object. He knows his days are numbered there and I think he'd come back in an instant.
Fucking hope not though.
O'Neill doesn't seem the forgive and forget type. ANyway, there's no way we could afford his wages which I think is the same problem for any other club looking to buy a Manchester City player now, unless they want to take a substantial pay cut.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 22, 2010, 01:49:04 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Merv"
Let's go £20m, plus Ireland and Onuoha. See what happens....
£20m plus Ireland, or £15m and Ireland and Onuoha. Spend the £15m on a striker, sell Heskey, persuade Luke Young to stay, summer transfer dealings sorted.
Done.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: placeforparks on July 22, 2010, 01:49:20 PM
disappointing, but not unexpected.
everton stuck firm with lescott, i hope we do the same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 22, 2010, 01:49:38 PM
love it paul
If that can happen , james milner would be loved, because if he didnt bugger off we wouldnt get a team like that
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on July 22, 2010, 01:50:03 PM
can't believe what some are thinking we are going to get from citeh for Milner. We won't get 20 million plus Ireland...no way because that would equate to over 30 million.
Unfortunately, we are not in the driving seat anymore. We will sell and unless another club come in and show interest, citeh will get Milner for the price they are willing to pay. I'm going to plump for either 20-22 million cash, or 15-17 million plus Onuoha, or 10-15million plus Ireland...
Maybe we should start a poll!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 22, 2010, 01:50:04 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "gregnash"
If you can't keep your best players, you are by definition a selling club. Citeh can't get the best players because at the top level ambition still comes before money otherwise, Rooney, terry, Torres, Fabregas would be there. We're going to have our best players picked off every summer like in the ellis years unless we get fourth.
Spurs have sold Carrick and Berbatov in recent years. They're used to wheeling and dealing there, and it hasn't stopped them achieving 4th. Manchester United are a selling club by your definition. I wouldn't get so hung up on selling players, it's how they're replaced that matters.
Therein lies the problem. You shop in the English League and you pay through the nose for players.
£10m Parker? £8m Cole? £7m Jenas? £10m Doyle?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 22, 2010, 01:52:22 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "gregnash"
If you can't keep your best players, you are by definition a selling club. Citeh can't get the best players because at the top level ambition still comes before money otherwise, Rooney, terry, Torres, Fabregas would be there. We're going to have our best players picked off every summer like in the ellis years unless we get fourth.
Spurs have sold Carrick and Berbatov in recent years. They're used to wheeling and dealing there, and it hasn't stopped them achieving 4th. Manchester United are a selling club by your definition. I wouldn't get so hung up on selling players, it's how they're replaced that matters.
actuially mate, u have a bloody good point there. And look whats happend to both carrick and berbatov, they have gone shite :-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 22, 2010, 01:53:11 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "gregnash"
If you can't keep your best players, you are by definition a selling club. Citeh can't get the best players because at the top level ambition still comes before money otherwise, Rooney, terry, Torres, Fabregas would be there. We're going to have our best players picked off every summer like in the ellis years unless we get fourth.
Spurs have sold Carrick and Berbatov in recent years. They're used to wheeling and dealing there, and it hasn't stopped them achieving 4th. Manchester United are a selling club by your definition. I wouldn't get so hung up on selling players, it's how they're replaced that matters.
well thats the worry init. spurs got lucky, most clubs don't improve by selling their best players like Man U, Arsenal and liverpool recently. I think we're gonna struggle next season, whether he buys the wrong players with the money or they take time to settle
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 22, 2010, 01:53:39 PM
Quote from: "villa for life"
can't believe what some are thinking we are going to get from citeh for Milner. We won't get 20 million plus Ireland...no way because that would equate to over 30 million.
Unfortunately, we are not in the driving seat anymore. We will sell and unless another club come in and show interest, citeh will get Milner for the price they are willing to pay.
No, they'll meet our valuation or he will not move as Liverpool found out with Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on July 22, 2010, 01:54:46 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
If - if - he goes to Man City, you've got to wonder what the fuck is happening to English football.
Yaya Toure, Silva, Barry, De Jong, Kompany, Adam Johnson, Vieira, SWP
They can't all play, so how depressing to see one of the so-called future of England players going somewhere he, and another England midfielder, are going to be spending most of their time on the bench, or in the "Elite Squad"
Yeah. You wonder, do any of these players ask, 'so, where will I be playing?' during transfer talks?
As Mancini signed them, you have to imagine Toure and Silva are nailed-on starters, Milner too. What, then, for the others? And Landon Donovan and Balotelli supposedly coming in too... it's crazy. They'll have two world class or top class players for every position!
And a lot of very unhappy mercenaries. As I've said previously, Bellamy, Tevez and Adebayour to name but three are extremely quick off the mark to throw their toys out the pram when they are not first choice. And this Balotelli guy looks about as stable as Heskey going up for a header. It would be interesting to watch it all kick off if they got knocked out of a cup or two early on and were not hitting top 4 straight away. And even if they do, we can extract pleasure from watching it happen at the expense of Arsenal, the bindippers or Spurs etc....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 22, 2010, 01:54:52 PM
Quote from: "villa for life"
can't believe what some are thinking we are going to get from citeh for Milner. We won't get 20 million plus Ireland...no way because that would equate to over 30 million.
Unfortunately, we are not in the driving seat anymore. We will sell and unless another club come in and show interest, citeh will get Milner for the price they are willing to pay. I'm going to plump for either 20-22 million cash, or 15-17 million plus Onuoha, or 10-15million plus Ireland...
Maybe we should start a poll!
You mean like Liverpool got Barry for the price they were willing to pay? I think O'Neill will stand firm and get a good 25 million out of them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 01:55:17 PM
MON Quotes:
"I'd imagine things will be resolved in foreseeable future."
He added: "City made an offer but it did not meet our valuation.
"I'm sure matters will be resolved soon. James is back next week having had extended holiday."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 01:55:18 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
well thats the worry init. spurs got lucky, most clubs don't improve by selling their best players like Man U, Arsenal and liverpool recently. I think we're gonna struggle next season, whether he buys the wrong players with the money or they take time to settle
With Manchester City, we have the fact that they're paying stupid wages. That, combined with the fact that, having used said stupid wages to attract much better players, they're now a much better bet for silverware or CL than we are, and will continue to be that way.
The time to really worry would be were we losing players to Spurs, where the money is about the same (possibly less down there) and the reasons are football, not financial.
If it iis true MON hasn't spoken to Milner since before he went to the world cup, that makes me think he would probably prefer to flog him now and take the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 22, 2010, 01:56:38 PM
Quote from: "villa for life"
can't believe what some are thinking we are going to get from citeh for Milner.
It's more a case of setting our stance... we've nothing to lose by setting a high target. It's not just about a fee from City - the rate they're going they need to offload players too, and Ireland surely can't have any kind of future there after the midfielders they're bringing in. I'd say the ball is still in our court - we have a player they want. Let's play hardball a little.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ger Regan on July 22, 2010, 01:59:44 PM
The big dirty bellend. So much for being one of the "good guys"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on July 22, 2010, 02:00:58 PM
Barry and £20 mill for me please. Barry was as good central midfield for us the previous two seasons as James was last year and I would say Downing and Milner are comparably good out wide. City would then be essentially paying us £32 mill for James, which is great for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 02:01:31 PM
I would love MON or Randy to come out and say we need to make this deal the best we can for the club.
Either they do the deal we want in the next 48 hours, or they piss off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2010, 02:02:44 PM
Quote from: "Ger Regan"
The big dirty bellend. So much for being one of the "good guys"
Spotty, square jawed Leeds reject.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 02:03:08 PM
Fuck him then. He really merely an honest trier.
I reckon we will see at most £25million and would prefer to get two players Ireland and Richards or Onuoha plus some money say £10million.
Fuck Parker as Gollivan will charge through the nose and he's both old and overrated. I know I said the same about Sidwell but he reminds me of Kinsella he will do well in a poor team like Charlton or West Ham. Arguably, Newcastle too but he didn't make it at Chelsea.
Now links to Keane suggest we could get him for around £5-6million. At that price, sign him up. Rather than Parker I'd like Flamini who has been suggested to be available for £5million.
Get rid of some of the players (Sidwell, Beye, Heskey and Shorey... I'd like Luke, Davies and Reo to stay but won't hold my breath) and maybe get a left back as back up to Warnock and we'd have had a good summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 02:03:14 PM
We'll have Ireland, Joe Hart and £8m off them. Then the ugly ****** can go and join team pile up and disappear into the cracks.
And dont talk saft. There's more chance of Elvis coming back than Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 22, 2010, 02:03:15 PM
Quote from: "pedro25"
Barry and £20 mill for me please. Barry was as good central midfield for us the previous two seasons as James was last year and I would say Downing and Milner are comparably good out wide. City would then be essentially paying us £32 mill for James, which is great for us.
If Barry was worth 12 million a year ago he's not really worth that now he's 12 months older. Especially as he's probably not going to get in their side next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2010, 02:04:14 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
If you can't keep your best players, you are by definition a selling club.
I thing it's when you want or need to seel them to stay afloat that you're a selling club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 22, 2010, 02:04:25 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "gregnash"
well thats the worry init. spurs got lucky, most clubs don't improve by selling their best players like Man U, Arsenal and liverpool recently. I think we're gonna struggle next season, whether he buys the wrong players with the money or they take time to settle
With Manchester City, we have the fact that they're paying stupid wages. That, combined with the fact that, having used said stupid wages to attract much better players, they're now a much better bet for silverware or CL than we are, and will continue to be that way.
The time to really worry would be were we losing players to Spurs, where the money is about the same (possibly less down there) and the reasons are football, not financial.
If it iis true MON hasn't spoken to Milner since before he went to the world cup, that makes me think he would probably prefer to flog him now and take the money.
its not just financial though is it? barry left because he thought they'd finish higher than us and they did, likewise milner. of course they're set up for life but i don't see how any neutral wouldn't say Citeh are in a better position if your looking for CL football compared than us. We'll see, but its going to be very interesting how much we've spent by the end of the transfer window if we get 25+m for milner. i'm betting with other sales we won't be spending much in real terms
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ger Regan on July 22, 2010, 02:05:18 PM
Wasn't last season the first season that he finished with the same manager that he had started the season with? He's going to really enjoy the stability at citeh, won't he?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 02:07:28 PM
I said months ago that Milner would deserve much more abuse than Barry. If you think Barry played for us for 12 years. Milner on the other hand has done two years before deciding to fuck off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2010, 02:09:40 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
its not just financial though is it? barry left because he thought they'd finish higher than us and they did, likewise milner. of course they're set up for life but i don't see how any neutral wouldn't say Citeh are in a better position if your looking for CL football compared than us. We'll see, but its going to be very interesting how much we've spent by the end of the transfer window if we get 25+m for milner. i'm betting with other sales we won't be spending much in real terms
Milner isn't worth twenty odd million any more than Lescott was. I think we should just be grateful that it's our turn to receive a chunk of oil cash for a player that just isn't THAT good. If we end up with a wad of cash and Ireland, I won't shed any tears at all, he had one decent half a season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ger Regan on July 22, 2010, 02:11:06 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I said months ago that Milner would deserve much more abuse than Barry. If you think Barry played for us for 12 years. Milner on the other hand has done two years before deciding to fuck off.
On the one hand i agree with you, but on the other, didn't barry look to leave around 4 times in that 12 years?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave P on July 22, 2010, 02:13:44 PM
I'm going on record by saying I'd welcome Barry back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 02:13:59 PM
Quote from: "Ger Regan"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I said months ago that Milner would deserve much more abuse than Barry. If you think Barry played for us for 12 years. Milner on the other hand has done two years before deciding to fuck off.
On the one hand i agree with you, but on the other, didn't barry look to leave around 4 times in that 12 years?
DOL nearly sold him to Pompey one summer for £4m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 02:14:46 PM
Quote from: "Ger Regan"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I said months ago that Milner would deserve much more abuse than Barry. If you think Barry played for us for 12 years. Milner on the other hand has done two years before deciding to fuck off.
On the one hand i agree with you, but on the other, didn't barry look to leave around 4 times in that 12 years?
Most of them were in the later years of his time here though and to be honest at the time he tried to go to Portsmouth things were looking bad at the club. Not that I'm defending him. I still think he's a useless fat arsed get.
I just think Milner is as bad even worse.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Yeltzer on July 22, 2010, 02:15:17 PM
Quote from: "Ger Regan"
The big dirty bellend. So much for being one of the "good guys"
This
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 02:15:38 PM
I'm in agreement with Risso on this matter. If MON plays his cards right we'll come out of this a lot better off.
Over to you, MON.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2010, 02:15:55 PM
I'm not going to practise any revisionism and pretend I think he's anything other than a very good player who is only going to get better*. But if he wants to go he can, firstly for the 'if that is his attitude good riddance' reason and secondly as we'll probably get enough oil money from them to replace him and improve the side over all!
(*if he stays with us and plays in the middle, that is, as opposed to being in and out of their side in a variety of positions)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villasjf on July 22, 2010, 02:16:59 PM
So He wants to go and MON has said he can leave at the right price. I seem to recall Mr Learner saying that James Milner was going nowhere a few weeks ago. Remember the club is always bigger than the player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ketzster on July 22, 2010, 02:17:40 PM
What worries me is what Mancini has said about being in no rush to sign players as they still have a month to go. We now know Milner wants to leave but what happens if it doesn't happen until the very last minute of the window?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 22, 2010, 02:19:51 PM
Quote from: "Ketzster"
What worries me is what Mancini has said about being in no rush to sign players as they still have a month to go. We now know Milner wants to leave but what happens if it doesn't happen until the very last minute of the window?
We said the same about Barry, and he ended up staying for another season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Quote from: "Ketzster"
What worries me is what Mancini has said about being in no rush to sign players as they still have a month to go. We now know Milner wants to leave but what happens if it doesn't happen until the very last minute of the window?
We give them a window, say 48 hours, where they can offer us exactly what we want. If they dont? They don't get their man.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2010, 02:23:27 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "Ketzster"
What worries me is what Mancini has said about being in no rush to sign players as they still have a month to go. We now know Milner wants to leave but what happens if it doesn't happen until the very last minute of the window?
We give them a window, say 48 hours, where they can offer us exactly what we want. If they dont? They don't get their man.
Because then we miss out on £25m and get to keep an unhappy player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 02:31:10 PM
We don't want to be left with a player who doesn't want to be here and his value will plummet as well as his contract runs down, we need to seal the deal and hopefully get it done quickly so we can move on, ireland I reckon would be valued at around £10m, so Ireland plus £15m would be a good deal , we may have to take Ireland and £12m but there's nothing to be gained holding onto milner now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 02:31:34 PM
We have to be firm with them though. We cant let them wipe their dick on our curtains too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on July 22, 2010, 02:32:44 PM
Quote from: "villasjf"
So He wants to go and MON has said he can leave at the right price. I seem to recall Mr Learner saying that James Milner was going nowhere a few weeks ago. Remember the club is always bigger than the player.
In 1957 maybe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on July 22, 2010, 02:33:41 PM
I wonder if James will have to play against Walsall. Barry got a rousing reception from the fans if i remember rightly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 02:34:03 PM
I’m feeling fairly relived that he’s off to be honest and little excited at the prospect of having another £20-25 million in the transfer pot, possibly with Ireland included and the quality players we’ll be able to bring in with it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 02:34:55 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
We have to be firm with them though. We cant let them wipe their dick on our curtains too.
Exactly. We need to strike a balance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 22, 2010, 02:35:04 PM
We all saw this coming 100 pages ago, so i'm not going to feign outrage over it. It's disappointing but he's had his head turned and there's nothing we can do. Now let's screw them for every penny possible, if we do then this will have worked in our favour.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 02:36:57 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m feeling fairly relvead that he’s off to be honest and little excited at the prospect of having another £20-25 million in the transfer pot, possibly with Ireland included and the quality players we’ll be able to bring in with it.
Yes, me too. Sometimes, even if it doesnt seem so at the time, a change is as good as a rest. Or something.
A bit of an overhaul wouldn't hurt. One of the biggest complaints last season was our entertainment value. So lets go and buy some entertainment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on July 22, 2010, 02:37:09 PM
Really though, what is the fucking point? Why are we bothering when Man City just buy anyone and everyone they want.
It's a times like this I think football is just complete fucking bollocks.
The FA and FIFA need to sort something now because it's just a joke. A wage cap, fee cap and squad cap should all be introduced now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 02:38:17 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m feeling fairly relived that he’s off to be honest and little excited at the prospect of having another £20-25 million in the transfer pot, possibly with Ireland included and the quality players we’ll be able to bring in with it.
Snap.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 02:38:52 PM
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 02:40:06 PM
I'm going to boo the ******.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 02:41:00 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
Do we, though?
Replacing our better players takes energy and effort, when we should be replacing the not-so-good players to kick on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 02:41:20 PM
The most worrying quote:
“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 22, 2010, 02:41:56 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
Do we, though?
Replacing our better players takes energy and effort, when we should be replacing the not-so-good players to kick on.
Doesn't mean you should give up. Its what the manager is paid millions to do anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 02:43:00 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
Do we, though?
Replacing our better players takes energy and effort, when we should be replacing the not-so-good players to kick on.
Doesn't mean you should give up. Its what the manager is paid millions to do anyway.
Of course we don't give up, but the original post suggested we come out of it better off.
It's not really that simple.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on July 22, 2010, 02:44:21 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
We don't though. We lose our better players and will undoubtedly sign someone not as good.
Man City go out and buy whoever they want and in a couple of seasons they win the league.
I seem to recall a cheat on one of the Champ Man where you just had unlimited money and it just meant you could buy whoever you wanted and so win everything. I didn't see the point of doing that in the game, and I don't see the point of Man City doing it now.
I know we do it to other clubs (buy their better players), but it's shit when it happens to you. Having seen it from both sides, there definitely needs to be a change in football in general.
Milner has really pissed me off. He was average on the right of midfield, A.Young shits all over him in that position. We moved him into the middle and contributed to him becoming the player he is and now he's fucking off. twat.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 22, 2010, 02:44:43 PM
Glad it wll be soon resolved. Have little respect for Miner considering what Villa and MoN have done for him. He will be a benchwarming multi-millionaire, hope he's happy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on July 22, 2010, 02:48:54 PM
Mods: Sorry about the new thread, thought that as it was news rather than speculation it might deserve one. I stand corrected.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 02:49:13 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
Do we, though?
Replacing our better players takes energy and effort, when we should be replacing the not-so-good players to kick on.
Its not ideal and it would be nice to tell them to shove it, but its not too hard to imagine us doing better with that money than just keeping Milner. He is replaceable and we could add more quality besides with that kind of money. Thats the crux though. Using the money well. Dont do that and its a waste of time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 22, 2010, 02:49:23 PM
To coin an old and recently reserected phrase fom Porky parry ' football's going to hell in a handcart'.
Being able to buy anyone on the planet cannot be healthy for the game.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 02:49:38 PM
I think if we get our hands on Ireland and then a quality defensive minded player like Flamini, then we’ll have improved on Milner, increased the quality and depth of the squad, while still having something like £25-30 million left over from the transfer/sponsorship/Milner money to go on other quality additions.
Hence why I’m excited, as I think we’d be more likely to qualify for the CL or win a trophy than we were at the start of last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 02:51:05 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
I think if we get our hands on Ireland and then a quality defensive minded player like Flamini, then we’ll have improved on Milner, increased the quality and depth of the squad, while still having something like £25-30 million left over from the transfer/sponsorship/Milner money to go on other quality additions.
Hence why I’m excited, as I think we’d be more likely to qualify for the CL or win a trophy than we were at the start of last season.
“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ashby Villa on July 22, 2010, 02:54:30 PM
Wish him well, footballers come and go, but I liked this one more than most. Nothing is forever. Just make sure you spend the money well Mr O'Neill, you will do well to find another James Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 02:55:57 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "Ads"
I think if we get our hands on Ireland and then a quality defensive minded player like Flamini, then we’ll have improved on Milner, increased the quality and depth of the squad, while still having something like £25-30 million left over from the transfer/sponsorship/Milner money to go on other quality additions.
Hence why I’m excited, as I think we’d be more likely to qualify for the CL or win a trophy than we were at the start of last season.
“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
And?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on July 22, 2010, 02:56:18 PM
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
It's a times like this I think football is just complete fucking bollocks.
Everyone knew it was going to happen but it still leaves a sour taste in the mouth! It won't be long before I walk away from watching football for good.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 22, 2010, 02:56:37 PM
if MON said that, then i'm not surprised he wants to cash in. How skint are we?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 22, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
I'm excited as long as we don't piss it up the wall on dross like Jenas, the man who's middle name might as well be "Average".
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 02:56:55 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "Ads"
I think if we get our hands on Ireland and then a quality defensive minded player like Flamini, then we’ll have improved on Milner, increased the quality and depth of the squad, while still having something like £25-30 million left over from the transfer/sponsorship/Milner money to go on other quality additions.
Hence why I’m excited, as I think we’d be more likely to qualify for the CL or win a trophy than we were at the start of last season.
“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
Your point being?
We can buy Ireland, Keane and Flamini and still have change from the money we will make for Milner. Sell a few of the unwanted others and that's another few million in the pot to strengthen in the full back positions.
We sell; We buy. A sell to buy policy in it's purest form.
I still think we have some extra money though even then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 22, 2010, 02:57:30 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Can Carew Be Bothered!?!?"
Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
Do we, though?
Replacing our better players takes energy and effort, when we should be replacing the not-so-good players to kick on.
In an ideal world, yes.
We have to deal with the reality and Man City have changed the landscape completely and it is just impossible to compete with what they can offer. Not just the wages but the other players they can sign to play alongside (or watch from the bench). We just have to make sure we get the best deal we can and move on, feeling sorry for ourselves won't get us anywhere.
We lost Barry last year and followed it up with a decent season and I'm fairly confident that we won't miss Milner unduly if we can use the money to add 2 or 3 new players of our own.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 22, 2010, 02:59:00 PM
As has been said, it is now just about how much we get for him.
I'm not sad, just resigned to the whole bollocks that is modern football and the people that own, manage or play it. Amongst other things, I wish these players would hand in transfer requests - I can't stomach the fact that because they do all but to get a move, they leave with a wheelbarrow full of "loyalty" payments.
I was saying to a colleague - ironically a Citeh fan - during the World Cup, I sometimes wish that if I could change anything about my life, it would be when I was seven years old and pestering my dad to take me down the Villa, that he'd turned round and told me, no, that it was a squalid business that I'd waste years of my time and thousands of my pounds following.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 03:00:18 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Quote from: "Ads"
I think if we get our hands on Ireland and then a quality defensive minded player like Flamini, then we’ll have improved on Milner, increased the quality and depth of the squad, while still having something like £25-30 million left over from the transfer/sponsorship/Milner money to go on other quality additions.
Hence why I’m excited, as I think we’d be more likely to qualify for the CL or win a trophy than we were at the start of last season.
“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
And?
If we are sell to buy, Ireland & Flamini will cost the best part of £15m. Leaving only £10m for other additions not £25-30m.
I think the sponsorship money may be allocated to our high wage bill.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 22, 2010, 03:00:56 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
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Really though, what is the fucking point?
The point is we come out better off. Then we go and win something, or try.
Do we, though?
Replacing our better players takes energy and effort, when we should be replacing the not-so-good players to kick on.
In an ideal world, yes.
We have to deal with the reality and Man City have changed the landscape completely and it is just impossible to compete with what they can offer. Not just the wages but the other players they can sign to play alongside (or watch from the bench). We just have to make sure we get the best deal we can and move on, feeling sorry for ourselves won't get us anywhere.
We lost Barry last year and followed it up with a decent season and I'm fairly confident that we won't miss Milner unduly if we can use the money to add 2 or 3 new players of our own.
Completely agree, get rid of the ungrateful, no shouldered, overrated , ratfaced gimp while we can still get decent money :)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 03:01:49 PM
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I think if we get our hands on Ireland and then a quality defensive minded player like Flamini, then we’ll have improved on Milner, increased the quality and depth of the squad, while still having something like £25-30 million left over from the transfer/sponsorship/Milner money to go on other quality additions.
Hence why I’m excited, as I think we’d be more likely to qualify for the CL or win a trophy than we were at the start of last season.
“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
Your point being?
We can buy Ireland, Keane and Flamini and still have change from the money we will make for Milner. Sell a few of the unwanted others and that's another few million in the pot to strengthen in the full back positions.
We sell; We buy. A sell to buy policy in it's purest form.
I still think we have some extra money though even then.
The probem is no one is beating down our door for Shorey, Davies, Young, Beye etc
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 03:02:59 PM
Dunne is talking as if he's already left.
I like it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 22, 2010, 03:03:34 PM
It's a shame that our manager seems to prefer english players because there isn't one single player in that England squad that I would rush out and buy if I had City's millions.
Fuck the national team and sign players that are going to win the club trophies.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dean saunders left boot on July 22, 2010, 03:03:39 PM
Right well at least now we know he wants to leave, stops all the rumours, we can look in doing a deal with city, get a couple of players out of them and a decent sum of money to invest elsewhere. If a player isn't committed to the club then why have him here. He's done great stuff for us over the last couple of years, but he's obviously decided that the grass is greener (or to be precise cities billions) on the other side, and if he wants to be a part of that then let it be.
As for being a sell to buy club, i'd rather that than be a team who throw shit loads of money at anything with legs, and run the high risk of it eventually blowing up in our faces in the shape of massive debts
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 03:05:31 PM
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I think if we get our hands on Ireland and then a quality defensive minded player like Flamini, then we’ll have improved on Milner, increased the quality and depth of the squad, while still having something like £25-30 million left over from the transfer/sponsorship/Milner money to go on other quality additions.
Hence why I’m excited, as I think we’d be more likely to qualify for the CL or win a trophy than we were at the start of last season.
“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
And?
If we are sell to buy, Ireland & Flamini will cost the best part of £15m. Leaving only £10m for other additions not £25-30m.
I think the sponsorship money may be allocated to our high wage bill.
I interpret as O’Neill having to clear the decks of the players who don’t feature but are on incredibly good wages.
I think there is probably a pot of something like £15 million, with sponsorship money of £6.6 million either included in it or not. Couple this with Milner money and whatever we can get for some of our dead wood, then I can see us having around £40 million plus to spend.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 22, 2010, 03:06:36 PM
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“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
is that from the same interview or is it an old quote?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2010, 03:07:14 PM
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Dunne is talking as if he's already left.
I like it.
I'd like it even more if he were to comment on how many replica shirts Jimmy would sell in China.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 22, 2010, 03:07:43 PM
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“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
is that from the same interview or is it an old quote?
It's from todays press conference unfortunately. I hope he's just talking about lowering the wage bill, rather than to raise cash for players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 03:08:48 PM
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“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
is that from the same interview or is it an old quote?
It's from todays press conference unfortunately. I hope he's just talking about lowering the wage bill, rather than to raise cash for players.
I'm pretty sure that's what he's talking about. The wage bills are more considerable than transfer fees nowadays. Its the number one consideration.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 22, 2010, 03:10:47 PM
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“As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
is that from the same interview or is it an old quote?
It's from todays press conference unfortunately. I hope he's just talking about lowering the wage bill, rather than to raise cash for players.
I'm pretty sure that's what he's talking about. The wage bills are more considerable than transfer fees nowadays. Its the number one consideration.
Would've liked to have seen his reaction to somebody asking him if he wished he'd spent his money more wisely so Villa weren't in this position? Or why he saw fit to splash so much money on very average players?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 03:10:50 PM
It would certainly be curious of Lerner to stop any sort of funding at this point right now, not even injecting a relatively small amount, considering what he has done previously and what he wants to achieve.
That’s why I think there is some money, but also why he wants O’Neill to reduce the wage bill and raise extra finance through selling the pish that won’t feature
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2010, 03:11:17 PM
Or it's just a ploy to stop other managers demanding the earth for our targets now they know we'll have some 2nd hand oil money?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2010, 03:11:56 PM
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Interesting stance of our two best players. Ashley Young - I have a lot to thank Villa for an want to commit to the club etc.... Milner, arguable who has more to be grateful for wants to feck off for the dirty pound. Bye James. Don't let... did it hurt?
He has previous as far as this type of thing is concerned, so I was always a bit perplexed with this notion that he was somehow 'different.'
He looks different I guess, like a proper 1930's throwback. Doesn't drink and isn't pictured falling out of nightclubs with Chantelle, Danielle Lloyd or any of the other NOTW cartoon characters.
But he has as much familiarity with avarice as most of his peers, particularly the England lot.
We can't really grumble though. It benefited us previously when Newcastle wouldn't give him his third pay rise in 18 months and we stepped in.
I said from the very outset that we could make this deal work to our advantage, and -if the numbers stack up- we could be in a better position squad and balance wise without Milner rather than with him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 03:12:07 PM
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I interpret as O’Neill having to clear the decks of the players who don’t feature but are on incredibly good wages.
And that, unfortunately, is not going to be easy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 03:15:22 PM
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I interpret as O’Neill having to clear the decks of the players who don’t feature but are on incredibly good wages.
And that, unfortunately, is not going to be easy.
True, but it will be easier once some money has been injected into the English market to stimulate it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 03:17:31 PM
And If it is the wages how much are the likes of Keane, Ireland, Flamini and McGeady going to want?
We won't end up reducing the wage bill, probably end up raising it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 03:19:24 PM
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And If it is the wages how much are the likes of Keane, Ireland, Flamini and McGeady going to want?
We won't end up reducing the wage bill, probably end up raising it.
I wouldn’t imagine a great deal more, if at all, than what some of the deadwood are on now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 22, 2010, 03:19:55 PM
I feel tremendously sorry for our chairman. He's done everything he can to transform this club and do things right but still this insignificant to players like Milner.
After Barry decided to jump ship last year I vowed never to pay to go a match again. I was tempted to change my mind but again things like this leave a bitter taste. I'm not going to put money towards these ****** wages anymore.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 22, 2010, 03:21:50 PM
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And If it is the wages how much are the likes of Keane, Ireland, Flamini and McGeady going to want?
We won't end up reducing the wage bill, probably end up raising it.
I wouldn’t imagine a great deal more, if at all, than what some of the deadwood are on now.
your joking aren't you? Ireland's on 80k, flamini would be similar. Even Keane will probably be our top earner
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 22, 2010, 03:22:54 PM
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I interpret as O’Neill having to clear the decks of the players who don’t feature but are on incredibly good wages.
I'd understand this argument better if our wage bill was above average for the top 8 teams in the PL but it isn't, it is way below average for the teams attempting to win trophies and compete for top 4 places.
What kind of wages do you think we'll have to pay for the new squad members who aren't in the 1st 11?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 03:23:03 PM
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And If it is the wages how much are the likes of Keane, Ireland, Flamini and McGeady going to want?
We won't end up reducing the wage bill, probably end up raising it.
I wouldn’t imagine a great deal more, if at all, than what some of the deadwood are on now.
I'm not so sure. Keane would probably want approx £50k pw, Ireland is on £80k now so he would probably take £60k, Flamini is on high wages at Milan as he went on a bosman so probably £50k ish. McGeady would probably be on £25-30k pw.
Keane, Ireland & Flamini would easily be along with Young our top earners.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on July 22, 2010, 03:26:44 PM
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And If it is the wages how much are the likes of Keane, Ireland, Flamini and McGeady going to want?
We won't end up reducing the wage bill, probably end up raising it.
I wouldn’t imagine a great deal more, if at all, than what some of the deadwood are on now.
I'm sure that Flamini is on very high wages at Milan, possibly more than 100 grand a week. Keane is trousering £50-£60k a week, but I'm not sure about the other two.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 03:27:11 PM
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And If it is the wages how much are the likes of Keane, Ireland, Flamini and McGeady going to want?
We won't end up reducing the wage bill, probably end up raising it.
I wouldn’t imagine a great deal more, if at all, than what some of the deadwood are on now.
I'm not so sure. Keane would probably want approx £50k pw, Ireland is on £80k now so he would probably take £60k, Flamini is on high wages at Milan as he went on a bosman so probably £50k ish. McGeady would probably be on £25-30k pw.
Keane, Ireland & Flamini would easily be along with Young our top earners.
But when you’ve got four or five players who don’t feature who are on 40 to 60 grand, you’ll see that you’re probably looking at parity anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 03:31:36 PM
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But when you’ve got four or five players who don’t feature who are on 40 to 60 grand, you’ll see that you’re probably looking at parity anyway
Are they on that much?
My Guess would be
Shorey £25k? Beye £40k? Young £30k? NRC £35k? Sidwell £35k
I don't know but I wouldn't have thought they are on similar to the others.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 03:32:16 PM
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I interpret as O’Neill having to clear the decks of the players who don’t feature but are on incredibly good wages.
I'd understand this argument better if our wage bill was above average for the top 8 teams in the PL but it isn't, it is way below average for the teams attempting to win trophies and compete for top 4 places.
What kind of wages do you think we'll have to pay for the new squad members who aren't in the 1st 11?
I think you're looking at it the wrong way.
Beye, Shorey, Sidwell - is that wages money well "allocated" (in the sense that it's a finite commodity)?
I'd also be interested to see those wage bill figures.
Firstly, the traditional top four have world class players, so you'd expect them to have higher wage bills.
We know for a fact ours is higher than Spurs' wage bill. So that leaves Man City, who have a higher wage bill than anyone.
So, I'd guess
Man City Chelsea Man U Liverpool Arsenal Villa Spurs Everton.
Looked at that way, it doesn't actually mean much, does it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 03:33:42 PM
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But when you’ve got four or five players who don’t feature who are on 40 to 60 grand, you’ll see that you’re probably looking at parity anyway
Are they on that much?
My Guess would be
Shorey £25k? Beye £40k? Young £30k? NRC £35k? Sidwell £35k
I don't know but I wouldn't have thought they are on similar to the others.
I'd guess again if I were you or donate to the site perhpas? ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 03:37:05 PM
Someone at the club needs fucking shooting if they are paying those players as much as stated.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 03:40:36 PM
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But when you’ve got four or five players who don’t feature who are on 40 to 60 grand, you’ll see that you’re probably looking at parity anyway
Are they on that much?
My Guess would be
Shorey £25k? Beye £40k? Young £30k? NRC £35k? Sidwell £35k
I don't know but I wouldn't have thought they are on similar to the others.
I'd guess again if I were you or donate to the site perhpas? ;)
Really? What are they on. The only one i am not so sure on is Sidwell.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on July 22, 2010, 03:51:26 PM
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I interpret as O’Neill having to clear the decks of the players who don’t feature but are on incredibly good wages.
I'd understand this argument better if our wage bill was above average for the top 8 teams in the PL but it isn't, it is way below average for the teams attempting to win trophies and compete for top 4 places.
What kind of wages do you think we'll have to pay for the new squad members who aren't in the 1st 11?
I think you're looking at it the wrong way.
Beye, Shorey, Sidwell - is that wages money well "allocated" (in the sense that it's a finite commodity)?
I'd also be interested to see those wage bill figures.
Firstly, the traditional top four have world class players, so you'd expect them to have higher wage bills.
We know for a fact ours is higher than Spurs' wage bill. So that leaves Man City, who have a higher wage bill than anyone.
So, I'd guess
Man City Chelsea Man U Liverpool Arsenal Man City Villa Spurs Everton.
Looked at that way, it doesn't actually mean much, does it?
Man City are on that list twice.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2010, 03:53:01 PM
Fuck me. Milner has gone from "Awesome player who is not going anywhere and will not move just for the cash."
to
"Utter ******, not that good anyway, hope he rots in the reserves."
In the time it's taken me to drink two pints!
When really he's just another decent professional footballer looking to do better for himself. Some of us predicted this and were shot down, ho-hum.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 03:53:13 PM
Not any more they're not.
*wink*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 03:54:23 PM
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And If it is the wages how much are the likes of Keane, Ireland, Flamini and McGeady going to want?
We won't end up reducing the wage bill, probably end up raising it.
I wouldn’t imagine a great deal more, if at all, than what some of the deadwood are on now.
I'm not so sure. Keane would probably want approx £50k pw, Ireland is on £80k now so he would probably take £60k, Flamini is on high wages at Milan as he went on a bosman so probably £50k ish. McGeady would probably be on £25-30k pw.
Keane, Ireland & Flamini would easily be along with Young our top earners.
So we have a player who is desperate to leave his club and two players who are keen to leave their clubs due to a lack of first team football.
Surely it's a question of saying 'We can give you first team football if you accept a pay cut'? Who on earth will pay Ireland £80K a week? If he wants to leave Money City and by all accounts he does then he'll have to accept less unless a really big club comes in and by all accounts they won't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 22, 2010, 03:54:45 PM
We're not fickle you know....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on July 22, 2010, 03:55:57 PM
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Not any more they're not.
*wink*
Villa up to 6th !!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 03:56:48 PM
Villa fans in "angry and disappointed one of their best players is just another greedy twat" shocker.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 03:57:18 PM
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But when you’ve got four or five players who don’t feature who are on 40 to 60 grand, you’ll see that you’re probably looking at parity anyway
Are they on that much?
My Guess would be
Shorey £25k? Beye £40k? Young £30k? NRC £35k? Sidwell £35k
I don't know but I wouldn't have thought they are on similar to the others.
I'd guess again if I were you or donate to the site perhpas? ;)
Really? What are they on. The only one i am not so sure on is Sidwell.
You're not sure on any of them ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mozza on July 22, 2010, 04:00:27 PM
Let's get some perspective on the Milner situation -
He is fortunate to have made the grade as a professional footballer (something many of us have possibly dreamed about in our younger days) -
Not the most technically gifted of players but has phenominal stamina and never say die attitude -
He could possibly pick up a career ending injury at anytime and have to seek an alternative career at a relatively young age -
Market forces dicatate he can command high wages and seek alternative employers and he already enjoys a lifestyle seen in glossy magazines -
Obviously we are feeling hurt that a player who we thought would be a future captain and integral part of a successful Villa team for years to come has effectively turned his back on us -
I thought the world had come to an end when my hero Gerry Hitchens went to Italy (yes I've given my advancing years away) and since then have seen players like Platt & Yorke seek fame and fortune elsewhere -
I'll still be supporting Villa home and away but James Milner won't be getting praise or criticism from me for his performance in claret and blue ..........someone will take his place .........maybe young Marc Albrighton will grab his opportunity with both hands or the manager will bring in players like Flammini or Axel Witsel
If it helps to give Milner some stick for walking out on us - by all means do it on message boards and with your mates having a drink but not at VP or Eastlands - just an opinion
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on July 22, 2010, 04:00:50 PM
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You're not sure on any of them ;)
Wow then we will have less money than even I thought! Haha
Who is else is stupid enough to pay that to those players!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Javu on July 22, 2010, 04:04:41 PM
Well said, mozza - sums my thoughts up.
Trevor Ford did to my Dad what Gerry Hitchens did to you. For me, it was...erm, Sammy Morgan. I was only about 8, though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
Probably best to leave the pleas for reason until tomorrow at least chaps. For today is a day of rage. In fact its not even that, its more like grumpy acceptance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2010, 04:07:35 PM
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I interpret as O’Neill having to clear the decks of the players who don’t feature but are on incredibly good wages.
I'd understand this argument better if our wage bill was above average for the top 8 teams in the PL but it isn't, it is way below average for the teams attempting to win trophies and compete for top 4 places.
What kind of wages do you think we'll have to pay for the new squad members who aren't in the 1st 11?
I think you're looking at it the wrong way.
Beye, Shorey, Sidwell - is that wages money well "allocated" (in the sense that it's a finite commodity)?
I'd also be interested to see those wage bill figures.
Firstly, the traditional top four have world class players, so you'd expect them to have higher wage bills.
We know for a fact ours is higher than Spurs' wage bill. So that leaves Man City, who have a higher wage bill than anyone.
So, I'd guess
Man City Chelsea Man U Liverpool Arsenal Man City Villa Spurs Everton.
Looked at that way, it doesn't actually mean much, does it?
Man City are on that list twice.
That's as they pay twice what anyone else does.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2010, 04:09:22 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Villa fans in "angry and disappointed one of their best players is just another greedy twat" shocker.
Oh I agree entirely, it was just the grief some of us got for pointing out that Milner would probably be just another greedy twat once someone like Citeh came dangling their wads in his face that amuses me.
"No way, he's not in it for the money" came the cry!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 22, 2010, 04:11:15 PM
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 22, 2010, 04:15:13 PM
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Quote from: "Mazrim"
Villa fans in "angry and disappointed one of their best players is just another greedy twat" shocker.
Oh I agree entirely, it was just the grief some of us got for pointing out that Milner would probably be just another greedy twat once someone like Citeh came dangling their wads in his face that amuses me.
"No way, he's not in it for the money" came the cry!
Well, whoever said that or thought that will feel doubly hurt today. I prepared (or tried to) my brother for this eventuality by painting a picture of the modern footballer. I hoped he would prove different but in truth, after Dwight Yorke, nothing suprises me or can hurt so much again. At least Dwight left for better things. Milner wont even be playing CL and by the time they get there, if they get there, he'll be long since out of their picture.
In the meantime, he's going to be called all sorts and he deserves it, even if he wont give a flying bollock.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2010, 04:17:45 PM
He's not gone yet but I've already taken the Stalinist line - my desktop at work has been changed, all pictures of Milner have been removed from my scrolling screensaver and I have stopped 'liking' him on FB.
Childish, but necessary.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andrew08 on July 22, 2010, 04:18:17 PM
To me its about trading up all the time. we buy Milner for £10m, then sell for £30m. Buy three more for £10m ea,sell em for £90m. Improve each year which we have ever since MON/RL arrived. To me its a good plan, and thank you citeh for helping it work.The Barry money got us to Wembley and back into Europe. It got citeh 3 points more.....well done.
We have a plan backed up by business brains and football professionals. Citeh are a rich sons toy with a bluenose pulling the strings.
Bring on August and wet spam!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2010, 04:18:46 PM
It's so much easier to be cynical when you support a football team Maz, it hurts less when you absolutely know (or at least convince yourself) that there is no loyalty between any of the fuckers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2010, 04:24:43 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Villa fans in "angry and disappointed one of their best players is just another greedy twat" shocker.
Oh I agree entirely, it was just the grief some of us got for pointing out that Milner would probably be just another greedy twat once someone like Citeh came dangling their wads in his face that amuses me.
"No way, he's not in it for the money" came the cry!
This is very true. Will Gabby be the next one to break our hearts?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 22, 2010, 04:31:21 PM
from extratime.ie
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Martin O’Neill had a lot of things on his mind when he fielded questions at Portmarnock Hotel and Golf Links on Thursday morning ahead of Saturday’s friendly clash with League of Ireland Champions Bohemians at Dalymount Park.
Rumours are rife that his squad will face a big change -- with the interest of Man City in star performer James Milner and Villa's own targets of Aiden McGeady, Robbie Keane and Stephen Ireland -- but O’Neill has promised spectators that Villa’s strongest available squad will feature on Saturday.
“I’ve got most of the senior players here with me and I know how infuriating it can be to be making a lot of changes, particularly in the last minutes of the game for spectators who have come to watch them. So I will make a few changes at half time. But the idea is to give the senior players a half each.”
‘You’ve got 20 players with us at the moment, including two goalkeepers. Richard Dunne obviously will start the game but I would like the senior players to get a half each,” he said.
O’Neill went on to share the view that Irish winger Aiden McGeady could perform well in the Premiership.
“Aiden McGeady, I think he has got the ability to be able to play in the Premiership – without question. I had him when he was a kid at Celtic. I played him without worrying too much about his youth at the time. He played against AC Milan one night at Celtic Park in the Champions League and he was absolutely fantastic.”
However the talk was dominated by rumours about Milner, as a move to Eastlands looks inevitable.
“Obviously there is a question mark over James Milner. I had a conversation with James before the World Cup and he intimated that he would like to go at that time. I haven’t spoken to him since. I know there are conversations between his agent and our chief executive. Man City have made an offer for the player, but our valuation has not been met.”
“I’m sure things may well get resolved. James is due back next week along with the rest of our World Cup players. I would imagine things would get resolved one way or another in the very foreseeable future.”
“Aston Villa are a top quality side and we are linked with players. When Man City are interested […] obviously they are in a different stratosphere but they are building up a squad capable of challenging for the Premiership. So this year is going to be especially difficult.” “As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,” he said.
well thats just depressed the shit out of me!!! especially the bold. Thats pretty official that it is sell to buy! whats the fucking point, all this work and now were settling for not being able to challenge.
i need a beer!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: CT on July 22, 2010, 04:32:57 PM
Quote
This is very true. Will Gabby be the next one to break our hearts?
Probably - especially if he bangs in 20+ goals this season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeS on July 22, 2010, 04:34:05 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Villa fans in "angry and disappointed one of their best players is just another greedy twat" shocker.
Oh I agree entirely, it was just the grief some of us got for pointing out that Milner would probably be just another greedy twat once someone like Citeh came dangling their wads in his face that amuses me.
"No way, he's not in it for the money" came the cry!
This is very true. Will Gabby be the next one to break our hearts?
The only thing to do is become emotionally detached from the whole thing. Then it doesnt get to the point of 'heartbreak'.
Of course, that also removes much of the pleasure.
In which case, maybe its better to have loved and lost...etc...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WA Villan on July 22, 2010, 04:37:10 PM
Quote from: "andrew08"
To me its about trading up all the time. we buy Milner for £10m, then sell for £30m. Buy three more for £10m ea,sell em for £90m. Improve each year which we have ever since MON/RL arrived. To me its a good plan, and thank you citeh for helping it work.The Barry money got us to Wembley and back into Europe. It got citeh 3 points more.....well done.
We have a plan backed up by business brains and football professionals. Citeh are a rich sons toy with a bluenose pulling the strings.
Bring on August and wet spam!
Yot forget we have Mon as manager, for every Milner there is a Beye, Harewood, Routledge, etc
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villafirst on July 22, 2010, 04:37:25 PM
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
I'd push Man City all the way to £30M. After all, the dumb c***s were stupid enogh to pay £25M for that useless waste of space Joleon Lescott!! We should get rid as soon as - just another mercenary who is motivated by money. Once again, MON is letting the grass grow - nearly the end of July, three weeks into pre-season and no sign of any arrivals - great preparation!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on July 22, 2010, 04:38:39 PM
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
Yes, glad I didn't contribute to that now except, I think, one post to say he is over-rated for which I was shot down in flames. He never struck me as being anything other than decent and I certainly didn't fall for the homespun, live with me Ma bit. He's always struck me as appearing to be a bit dim to be honest...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WA Villan on July 22, 2010, 04:42:50 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
Yes, glad I didn't contribute to that now except, I think, one post to say he is over-rated for which I was shot down in flames. He never struck me as being anything other than decent and I certainly didn't fall for the homespun, live with me Ma bit. He's always struck me as appearing to be a bit dim to be honest...
Love this, I always viewed Milner with a loaf of Hovis under his arm on one of those adverts.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 04:43:09 PM
I'm more worried whether randy is as committed to things as he was 4 yrs ago, from mons comments the pursestrings are very tight and maybe he feels he's taken us as far as he can, he has spent a lot but must continue to spend a lot if we are to progress.
Another star will soon replace milner as has happened here many times down the years, but he has tarnished things by refusing to even discuss a new contract and showing his desire to leave.
At least Barry stayed a good few years and gave long service , James has jumped ship at the 1st chance,the grass may not be as green when sitting on a star studded bench.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2010, 04:47:30 PM
Milner has made his choice and we can't do a thing about it. We don't have to respect or understand that decision though, just treat it as fact.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2010, 04:52:07 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Villa fans in "angry and disappointed one of their best players is just another greedy twat" shocker.
Oh I agree entirely, it was just the grief some of us got for pointing out that Milner would probably be just another greedy twat once someone like Citeh came dangling their wads in his face that amuses me.
"No way, he's not in it for the money" came the cry!
Go back two summers when Barry wanted away. Would you say asa club we've moved forward and matched his ambitions?
Obviously the money helps but all players want to play with the best players around them, they've theoretically more chance of winning something.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 04:52:24 PM
Quote from: "Villafirst"
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
I'd push Man City all the way to £30M. After all, the dumb c***s were stupid enogh to pay £25M for that useless waste of space Joleon Lescott!! We should get rid as soon as - just another mercenary who is motivated by money. Once again, MON is letting the grass grow - nearly the end of July, three weeks into pre-season and no sign of any arrivals - great preparation!
If you think about Lescott the old adage once bitten twice shy might come into play.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 22, 2010, 04:55:14 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
Yes, glad I didn't contribute to that now except, I think, one post to say he is over-rated for which I was shot down in flames. He never struck me as being anything other than decent and I certainly didn't fall for the homespun, live with me Ma bit. He's always struck me as appearing to be a bit dim to be honest...
Didn't he get pretty much straight As/A stars at GCSE? I may be imagining this but I seem to remember reading it at some point.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 22, 2010, 04:56:46 PM
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
Yes, glad I didn't contribute to that now except, I think, one post to say he is over-rated for which I was shot down in flames. He never struck me as being anything other than decent and I certainly didn't fall for the homespun, live with me Ma bit. He's always struck me as appearing to be a bit dim to be honest...
Didn't he get pretty much straight As/A stars at GCSE? I may be imagining this but I seem to remember reading it at some point.
I've got a goldfish that could do that at today's standards.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 22, 2010, 04:59:19 PM
I must add that I do not want Fat Barry back under no circumstances.
He just isn't good enough.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on July 22, 2010, 05:05:21 PM
Quote from: "TaxDodger"
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
I was going to say that its all a far cry from the James Milner awesomeness thread but was beaten to it by Mr Cooper, turns out he’s no different from the rest of them.
Decent player but it will be daylight robbery if we can get anything approaching £25m for him.
Yes, glad I didn't contribute to that now except, I think, one post to say he is over-rated for which I was shot down in flames. He never struck me as being anything other than decent and I certainly didn't fall for the homespun, live with me Ma bit. He's always struck me as appearing to be a bit dim to be honest...
Didn't he get pretty much straight As/A stars at GCSE? I may be imagining this but I seem to remember reading it at some point.
Yes, was thinking that as I was writing my post to be honest. However, I know plenty of dim, well qualified people and some of the 'brightest' I have ever come across have barely an O or A Level to their name...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 22, 2010, 05:07:31 PM
and here we go.....
good luck Jimmy, enjoy competing in europe. send us a postcard
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 22, 2010, 05:12:13 PM
Best of luck James, I hope you get the chance to develop that we gave you over the last couple of years. In better news, I look forward to looking down at your potential new team languishing below us in the league, and you feeling some regret and remorse that you left the best team in the world. You shit bag
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 22, 2010, 05:12:36 PM
Barry, Ireland and £15 million and I wouldn't tell them to fack off straight away.
The recent WC might have have shown up his lightning slow turn of pace at the very top level, but he could still fulfill a vital role for us. Either calming things down or starting attacks with quick, accurate diagonal balls.
At Citeh he's just a face, one of the many midfielders they have on their books (12 is it?). He probably feels a bit lost and unloved. Shame.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 22, 2010, 05:13:41 PM
Ugly bastard
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 22, 2010, 05:15:35 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
and here we go.....
good luck Jimmy, enjoy competing in europe. send us a postcard
They're in the same competition as us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 22, 2010, 05:21:09 PM
MON QUOTE “As the chairman mentioned, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy. That is something I’m delving into at the moment,”
Welcome to the new boss, same as the old boss.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 22, 2010, 05:22:17 PM
Quote from: "olneythelonely"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
and here we go.....
good luck Jimmy, enjoy competing in europe. send us a postcard
They're in the same competition as us.
yeah but we dont bother signing people in time and going out, or just throw it away because we have stoke at the weekend. The word to emphasis is COMPETING
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Situation on July 22, 2010, 05:24:26 PM
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Fin Feds Dad on July 22, 2010, 05:25:30 PM
Quote from: "curiousorange"
Milner has made his choice and we can't do a thing about it. We don't have to respect or understand that decision though, just treat it as fact.
If he wants to go that badly then he should put in a transfer request - that will mean all the transfer fee will then be ours.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 22, 2010, 05:27:55 PM
I dont understand why any chairman would say he had money to spend. If I knew that as a potential seller, I would up my prices (Like we have done for Milner to City potentially). I would be gutted if he came out and said he had loadsamoney to spend. He has never done so to this point, and spent when they deemed it right, whatever we think of the end results. You can quote all the "good" and "bad" signings you like. Are we now a better team/squad than we were before RL. Are we worth more. All of this in a world that has gone crazy on prices. I get fed up with the shit about our manager "spunking" money about. Has he really? He has made some signings that havent worked out as much as we would like, and for him too. But I dont think he is saying "Ah fuck it, lets just go and spend big on average players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 22, 2010, 05:29:42 PM
Quote from: "Fin Feds Dad"
Quote from: "curiousorange"
Milner has made his choice and we can't do a thing about it. We don't have to respect or understand that decision though, just treat it as fact.
If he wants to go that badly then he should put in a transfer request - that will mean all the transfer fee will then be ours.
here we go, people assuming they know whats in the contract and how the contract will be determined
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 22, 2010, 05:33:37 PM
I don't think for one minute that mon actually thinks he is buying average players! That's the problem!! I don't think mon has the transfer nous or tactical nous to do any different than he does now! Look at wigan and the players they pick up from south America, look at appy arry- say what u want about him but he is far more astute at buying 'quality' I don't think that mon will take the risk in foreign personalities due to how stubborn he is and set in his ways!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 22, 2010, 05:34:24 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
I dont understand why any chairman would say he had money to spend. If I knew that as a potential seller, I would up my prices (Like we have done for Milner to City potentially). I would be gutted if he came out and said he had loadsamoney to spend. He has never done so to this point, and spent when they deemed it right, whatever we think of the end results. You can quote all the "good" and "bad" signings you like. Are we now a better team/squad than we were before RL. Are we worth more. All of this in a world that has gone crazy on prices. I get fed up with the shit about our manager "spunking" money about. Has he really? He has made some signings that havent worked out as much as we would like, and for him too. But I dont think he is saying "Ah fuck it, lets just go and spend big on average players.
do you have another explanation? i do he is not that great in the transfer market
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2010, 05:35:16 PM
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: aldridgeboy on July 22, 2010, 05:38:09 PM
If he s going then lets just make it quick. There would be nothing worse than this dragging out for a month leaving us very little time to get anyone decent in. (Like MON does nt already need an excuse to leave it late!!) Its a shame he s going as he was superb last season...but £25-30 Million?? Snap their bloody arm off. Ireland and a couple of others (including Barry I would say) plus £15 million is good business. The King is dead..Long live the King!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 22, 2010, 05:41:44 PM
Hawkeye, I have another way of looking at it. If you judge him on if he has made the Champions league or won the league on his signings alone, he is not good enough. But that may be because of money constraints. If he had Chelsea or Man Citys millions, he may have achieved this, or maybe not. Its taken many more years for Arsenal and United to amass their squads. I would say his signings have improved our team. Vastly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 05:50:20 PM
Dunne warns Milner over City move (http://www.birminghammail.net/birmingham-sport/aston-villa-fc/aston-villa-news/2010/07/22/aston-villa-richard-dunne-warns-james-milner-over-manchester-city-move-97319-26911571/)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 22, 2010, 05:58:27 PM
If we honestly offered him 70k a week and he turned us down,then he can sling his hook,and maybe see his form dip like Barry's did.
Tottenham have showed that you can sell your best players and invest in the team and become stronger,but this is the worrying thing,i'm worried how Martin will spend the money,with £25 million we could get Ireland,Flameni and Rodallega and the team and squad would no doubt be stronger,but i've got a horrible feeling it'll be Keane and McGeady,and twelve months down the line we're deaing with this problem again with Young.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 22, 2010, 05:59:21 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
Hawkeye, I have another way of looking at it. If you judge him on if he has made the Champions league or won the league on his signings alone, he is not good enough. But that may be because of money constraints. If he had Chelsea or Man Citys millions, he may have achieved this, or maybe not. Its taken many more years for Arsenal and United to amass their squads. I would say his signings have improved our team. Vastly.
Moet you are right he has improved the squad and team, but you would expect that based on the fact that he has had more cash to spend than most other PL managers. What he has done is about average not awful not great-average
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 22, 2010, 06:00:33 PM
Be nice if we do get a player coming the other way who has been overlooked at City, who goes one to make as much as an impact as Dunne. He would be my bolt on captain. (thats bolt on, not Bolton)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 22, 2010, 06:02:05 PM
i would be less worried if we had a manager that can spend the money wisely, the McGeady Keane rumours worry me a lot
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 22, 2010, 06:06:24 PM
Hawkeye. I see it. Im not trying to be blinded by being a happy clapper. I really thought we would have been top four after the huge improvement in the first year. It feels like it stalled the season before last, but last season I felt much better about the progress we were making. It is slow, but its progress. Average progress I guess. Im hoping MON will repay the faith I have in him. Theres no doubting he wants to win, he gives me a partial coronary just watching him. I think this is a big season for everyone at VP. Im not unduly concerned about our lack of movement in the transfer window, I thought he got it about right last year. Although 20 odd minutes into the Wigan game I did think "Oh fuck, thats a couple of mortgage payments wasted"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 22, 2010, 06:10:30 PM
Moet we live in hope UTV
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Situation on July 22, 2010, 06:12:18 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
Just like last season when people thought they were going to win the title lol?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 22, 2010, 06:15:01 PM
Quote from: "The Situation"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
Just like last season when people thought they were going to win the title lol?
Not sure what Barry was polishing last season? Food off other peoples plates?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt Collins on July 22, 2010, 06:15:53 PM
We're in trouble if citeh string us out till mid august like they did with everton last season. He's going,and we need to use the opportunity of significant funds to get in 2 or 3 to replace him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 22, 2010, 06:19:24 PM
Quote from: "The Situation"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
Just like last season when people thought they were going to win the title lol?
Nobody thought they were going to win the title last season. In fact, there was a general feeling that they wouldn't do as well as they did - "all those mercenaries." But if you feel we've got more chance of success than Manchester City, good luck to you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2010, 06:28:20 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
Mind you Dave, Barry thought he'd be playing Champions League Football this season. He might not even get in the City side now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 22, 2010, 06:29:45 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
Just like last season when people thought they were going to win the title lol?
Nobody thought they were going to win the title last season. In fact, there was a general feeling that they wouldn't do as well as they did - "all those mercenaries." But if you feel we've got more chance of success than Manchester City, good luck to you.
City is a freak of nature though,nobody saw this coming 2 or 3 years ago,probably only United and Chelsea can saw they have a better cance of winning something this season.
Theres a massive risk that it'll go tits up,as Mancini didn't do much to impress last season,he wont have much time,players who dont play much can cause trouble,if he gets fired the process starts all over again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 22, 2010, 06:33:28 PM
Evening,
Well obviously Im not suprised as I knew Milner wanted to go Man Shitty weeks ago. I was pissed off at first but as weeks have gone by, I thought, well lets get good money for him and replace him hopefully with 3 good players . How ever much I liked him, he is not worth the money we can get for him, and lets move on.
MON wants 3 top players to come straight into the team and knows who he wants , so lets sell the fooker and get things moving. I know MON wants Ireland in the deal.
my source is not telling me much now , as its to close to the season and keeping things close to his chest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Situation on July 22, 2010, 06:35:16 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
Just like last season when people thought they were going to win the title lol?
Nobody thought they were going to win the title last season. In fact, there was a general feeling that they wouldn't do as well as they did - "all those mercenaries." But if you feel we've got more chance of success than Manchester City, good luck to you.
That's not true, everyone was bigging Citeh up before last season started with managers (Ferguson, Redknapp and even O'Neill) and ex-players saying they could win the title.
I have not once said we have better chance of success than Citeh, I pointed they'll just eventually self implode if they keep failing to qualify for Champions League.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 22, 2010, 06:37:29 PM
Quote from: "Matt Collins"
We're in trouble if citeh string us out till mid august like they did with everton last season. He's going,and we need to use the opportunity of significant funds to get in 2 or 3 to replace him.
If City drag it on then the nearer we get to the deadline,the higher Milners worth is to AVFC.
It is common in this day & age for a battle of wits to take place within transfer dealings-our stance with Liverpool 2 years ago shows we will not be pushed around & hopefully we will be as resolute over Milner.
Quite often,one signing triggers a whole sequence of deals & this could well be the case this time around-we are in the driving seat.Sadly for Mr Milner,he is no Kaka or Villa so if City want to play hardball over a deal,theres a good chance it will be this one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2010, 06:41:27 PM
Quote from: "The Situation"
I have not once said we have better chance of success than Citeh, I pointed they'll just eventually self implode if they keep failing to qualify for Champions League.
I remember much the same being said about Chelsea when Abramovich arrived, and let's face it, Abramovich is a piss covered tramp when compared with the money Man City's owners have. They will spend and keep on spending until they win trophies, they may implode after that if they get bored, but meanwhile they will just keep on spending.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyshawsknee on July 22, 2010, 06:45:22 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "The Situation"
I have not once said we have better chance of success than Citeh, I pointed they'll just eventually self implode if they keep failing to qualify for Champions League.
I remember much the same being said about Chelsea when Abramovich arrived, and let's face it, Abramovich is a piss covered tramp when compared with the money Man City's owners have. They will spend and keep on spending until they win trophies, they may implode after that if they get bored, but meanwhile they will just keep on spending.
They had already made the Champions league though,and had a pretty good spine of the team. i can honestly say,out of all the players City have bought the last couple of years,Tevez,Adam Johnson,Silva would be the only one's I want here.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Situation on July 22, 2010, 06:49:54 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "The Situation"
I have not once said we have better chance of success than Citeh, I pointed they'll just eventually self implode if they keep failing to qualify for Champions League.
I remember much the same being said about Chelsea when Abramovich arrived, and let's face it, Abramovich is a piss covered tramp when compared with the money Man City's owners have. They will spend and keep on spending until they win trophies, they may implode after that if they get bored, but meanwhile they will just keep on spending.
Yeah, but when Abramovich bought Chavski they were atleast - fair to say a decent team already who finished in a European spot most years. Man City have always been a nothing team, the club has always just been known as 'that other team from Manchester' (a bit like us and small heath) with fans always bringing inflatable bananas to away matches.
It's quite hilarious now that because Citeh have an influx of glory hunting supporters they're trying to disasscoiate themselves with the inflatable banana fans and are trying to start this new elitist Chavski type of fans.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 22, 2010, 06:58:01 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Matt Collins"
We're in trouble if citeh string us out till mid august like they did with everton last season. He's going,and we need to use the opportunity of significant funds to get in 2 or 3 to replace him.
If City drag it on then the nearer we get to the deadline,the higher Milners worth is to AVFC.
It is common in this day & age for a battle of wits to take place within transfer dealings-our stance with Liverpool 2 years ago shows we will not be pushed around & hopefully we will be as resolute over Milner.
Quite often,one signing triggers a whole sequence of deals & this could well be the case this time around-we are in the driving seat.Sadly for Mr Milner,he is no Kaka or Villa so if City want to play hardball over a deal,theres a good chance it will be this one.
That's all very well, but according to an article in the Independent right at the very beginning of this saga, and which I posted here, sources at Man City said they were confident of getting Milner, but did not think it would happen until very late in the transfer window.
It is not stretching things too far to see that they will be quite happy to let this drag on as long as possible before coughing up the necessary dosh as it will fuck us, one of their rivals, big time. The Liverpool/Barry business is not a good analogy because they were relatively cash strapped.
Looking at it this way, the question is how valuable each passing week is. That is, suppose we get an extra 5 million by waiting until 5 days before the deadline closes; what would be the opportunity cost in terms of possible transfers in?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 22, 2010, 06:59:51 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "The Situation"
I have not once said we have better chance of success than Citeh, I pointed they'll just eventually self implode if they keep failing to qualify for Champions League.
I remember much the same being said about Chelsea when Abramovich arrived, and let's face it, Abramovich is a piss covered tramp when compared with the money Man City's owners have. They will spend and keep on spending until they win trophies, they may implode after that if they get bored, but meanwhile they will just keep on spending.
The key for Abramovich was appointing Mourinho, to date Mancini has done nothing to suggest he's in that class.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2010, 07:04:43 PM
Yes, I know all that, but now they have so much money that all normal football thinking goes out of the window. If we are REALLY lucky then Man City will fail to get into the Chumps League this season and the owners will get bored and throw their cash at something else, but in all likelihood they will just carry on buying everything until they win lots of stuff.
Man City are not just rich enough to buy good players in the hope they gel, they are also clever enough to know that dangling their riches in front of the better players from their rivals will ensure they have less challengers for that fourth spot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 22, 2010, 07:10:55 PM
I've been thinking about changes to the transfer rules would make everything more equal; 1st: January transfer window is no more 2nd: teams can only sign x3 players per year from other clubs and sell only x3
This would place more emphasis on managing a team and also would stop all these oil barrans just buying everyone who plays well for 6montjs from their rivals!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 22, 2010, 07:12:45 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Yes, I know all that, but now they have so much money that all normal football thinking goes out of the window. If we are REALLY lucky then Man City will fail to get into the Chumps League this season and the owners will get bored and throw their cash at something else, but in all likelihood they will just carry on buying everything until they win lots of stuff.
Man City are not just rich enough to buy good players in the hope they gel, they are also clever enough to know that dangling their riches in front of the better players from their rivals will ensure they have less challengers for that fourth spot.
Perhaps, not so clever as I think giving us £25-30m will make us stronger.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on July 22, 2010, 07:18:27 PM
football is well and truly fucked...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 22, 2010, 07:21:10 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
The key for Abramovich was appointing Mourinho, to date Mancini has done nothing to suggest he's in that class.
He's not as good as Mourinho maybe, but three successive Serie A titles isn't the mark of a shit manager.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2010, 07:23:09 PM
My view is for any player if they don't want to be with us, they can fuck off. I'm very disappointed by him. I'm also concerned by this sell to buy business.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on July 22, 2010, 07:23:21 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
football is well and truly fucked...
What he said ^
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bertlambshank on July 22, 2010, 07:25:01 PM
Anybody else think Citeh are doing an Everton on us.Destabilising the club resulting in a shit start to the season.They will sign Milner,but they probably don't even want him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 07:25:11 PM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
football is well and truly fucked...
What he said ^
What's your new username going to be?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Moorski on July 22, 2010, 07:25:20 PM
We did not get as far as an offer to Milner, his agent made it clear that they were not interested in extending or improving his contract. City know they will get their man so they are in no rush, but it leaves us in the shit replacing him because we won't do so until he moves on even though we know he will be going there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2010, 07:29:12 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Yes, I know all that, but now they have so much money that all normal football thinking goes out of the window. If we are REALLY lucky then Man City will fail to get into the Chumps League this season and the owners will get bored and throw their cash at something else, but in all likelihood they will just carry on buying everything until they win lots of stuff.
Man City are not just rich enough to buy good players in the hope they gel, they are also clever enough to know that dangling their riches in front of the better players from their rivals will ensure they have less challengers for that fourth spot.
Perhaps, not so clever as I think giving us £25-30m will make us stronger.
Well we don't know that we'll get £25-30 million for a start, and when a player starts the whole "I want to leave" thing the price can drop (and yes I know about Barry and Liverpool!). The thing is, will £25-30 million make us stronger than Man City, Spurs and (maybe) Arsenal? Not forgetting that the first thing we have to do with that £25-30 million is replace one of our best midfielders?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Situation on July 22, 2010, 07:38:44 PM
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Dave Cooper"
Yes, I know all that, but now they have so much money that all normal football thinking goes out of the window. If we are REALLY lucky then Man City will fail to get into the Chumps League this season and the owners will get bored and throw their cash at something else, but in all likelihood they will just carry on buying everything until they win lots of stuff.
Man City are not just rich enough to buy good players in the hope they gel, they are also clever enough to know that dangling their riches in front of the better players from their rivals will ensure they have less challengers for that fourth spot.
Perhaps, not so clever as I think giving us £25-30m will make us stronger.
Well we don't know that we'll get £25-30 million for a start, and when a player starts the whole "I want to leave" thing the price can drop (and yes I know about Barry and Liverpool!). The thing is, will £25-30 million make us stronger than Man City, Spurs and (maybe) Arsenal? Not forgetting that the first thing we have to do with that £25-30 million is replace one of our best midfielders?
I thought we were going to get Ireland in part exchange? It'd be completly pointless selling Milner at a high price and then go out and expect us to try and sign someone worth that value. Tbh, I'd just be happy with £20 million plus Ireland, we don't need to stretch this one out. Accept the £20 million and get Ireland then move onto new targets.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 22, 2010, 07:49:42 PM
He mentions money here (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6l794_aston-villa-unveil-new-signing-jame_news)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2010, 07:53:21 PM
I agree, part-ex is the way forward. But looking at the General's comments re: sell-to-buy, it's not so much the transfer fee as the wages that we're trying to get a handle on. So Ireland, who as a former City player of the year and first-teamer, would have been put on a generous wage by City to keep him at the club. Now he's surplus to requirements, would he need to take a massive drop in wages to come down the M6? And if Barry came back, we'd have to have some sort of wage-matching incentive thing. All these issues go far beyond the actual 'fee' being bandied about.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on July 22, 2010, 08:03:13 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
The key for Abramovich was appointing Mourinho, to date Mancini has done nothing to suggest he's in that class.
He's not as good as Mourinho maybe, but three successive Serie A titles isn't the mark of a shit manager.
Those titles were in the wake of calciopoli though which saw one of their main rivals, Juve, automatically relegated and AC suffered too (points deduction I think?). I remember two years ago the toughest game Inter had had in a long time saw them surrender meekly to Liverpool in the last 16 of the Chumps League. This hastened his demise and despite winning Serie A in 2008 it was more due to a lack of competition from the rest rather than great managing, and Mourinho has already usurped him there in half the time.
I think he's too green for the Premier League.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 22, 2010, 08:07:39 PM
Quote from: "curiousorange"
I agree, part-ex is the way forward. But looking at the General's comments re: sell-to-buy, it's not so much the transfer fee as the wages that we're trying to get a handle on. So Ireland, who as a former City player of the year and first-teamer, would have been put on a generous wage by City to keep him at the club. Now he's surplus to requirements, would he need to take a massive drop in wages to come down the M6? And if Barry came back, we'd have to have some sort of wage-matching incentive thing. All these issues go far beyond the actual 'fee' being bandied about.
Most sources suggest Ireland is desperate to leave City. No top clubs have expressed interest and so he will have to take a pay cut to come to someone like us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 22, 2010, 08:17:07 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
How ever much I liked him, he is not worth the money we can get for him, and lets move on. MON wants 3 top players to come straight into the team and knows who he wants , so lets sell the fooker and get things moving.
I know MON wants Ireland in the deal.
I agree with you about Milner and I hope you're right, JP. Who ever we sign needs to be good enough to go straight in the team. No more squad fillers, thank you very much. I do hope Ireland is heading to B6. It's about time we pissed off the groundsman and start using the middle of the pitch.
Hopefully the McGready story is just a piss take.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 22, 2010, 08:28:10 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
I'd say somewhere in the middle - 3rd/4th place with potential league cup win.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 22, 2010, 08:34:37 PM
Quote from: "pablopicasso_10"
football is well and truly fucked...
Has been for a long time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 22, 2010, 08:37:38 PM
Quote from: "Macho Man Randy Savage"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
people said that Barry would be in the CL and maybe medals that did not work out.
Milner is taking a huge risk, check out the City forums, hardly falling over themselves with glee. Man city start off anything other than top 2 (they want the title this season not just CL) then new manager and all changes.
Of course Milner could win the lot and play every game, we will see
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 22, 2010, 08:38:21 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
That's all very well, but according to an article in the Independent right at the very beginning of this saga, and which I posted here, sources at Man City said they were confident of getting Milner, but did not think it would happen until very late in the transfer window.
It is not stretching things too far to see that they will be quite happy to let this drag on as long as possible before coughing up the necessary dosh as it will fuck us, one of their rivals, big time. The Liverpool/Barry business is not a good analogy because they were relatively cash strapped.
Looking at it this way, the question is how valuable each passing week is. That is, suppose we get an extra 5 million by waiting until 5 days before the deadline closes; what would be the opportunity cost in terms of possible transfers in?
If the Independant know this and you know this then theres a strong chance of MON knowing this.You have to understand that quite often,the press are used by various parties in these sagas as a tool for turning the screw.It might even be an educated guess by the paper as many deals are not finalised untill the end of a particular window.
Milner only played around half the season in centre midfield-I'm sure we coped ok before he played there.We have several options already including a change of formation so don't get overly worried about not replacing Milner within 30 seconds of his departure-If MON wants a replacement then I'm sure things are in place for a bid once Milner leaves.
The point about Liverpool/Barry was our resolve to sit it out-Something I hope we do with Man City & not cave in to them because they are not "cash strapped" as you put it.We do not sell now at a lower price just because big bad Man City are flexing their muscels.We are in the driving seat my friend.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2010, 08:41:01 PM
At some point City will win something. And it's likely to be soon so the players that moved there will feel justified. No matter how grotesque you find it, the only way we can compete with them is directly on the pitch when we're playing against them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 22, 2010, 08:49:49 PM
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "Macho Man Randy Savage"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
people said that Barry would be in the CL and maybe medals that did not work out.
Milner is taking a huge risk, check out the City forums, hardly falling over themselves with glee. Man city start off anything other than top 2 (they want the title this season not just CL) then new manager and all changes.
Of course Milner could win the lot and play every game, we will see
Man City's prospects are realistically better than ours but in a way I'm surprised Milner wants to go there. I think if he waited another year Man Utd would come in with a bid which would be a much better career move for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 22, 2010, 08:54:14 PM
Quote from: "Macho Man Randy Savage"
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "Macho Man Randy Savage"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "The Situation"
Milner can join the club of mercenaries... at the end of the day we'll be the ones who are laughing with £25-30 million in the bank and also taking Stephen Ireland at the same time.
It's sad that Milner has been sucked into the most maniacal, narcissistic, hated football club in the world. More fool Milner when Man City come up with another shocking tactic next season spending another £100 million after they fail to qualify for the Champions League again leaving him thinking sitting on the bench "what the fuck am I doing at this joke club?".
Or polishing his medals. Which at the moment looks more likely.
people said that Barry would be in the CL and maybe medals that did not work out.
Milner is taking a huge risk, check out the City forums, hardly falling over themselves with glee. Man city start off anything other than top 2 (they want the title this season not just CL) then new manager and all changes.
Of course Milner could win the lot and play every game, we will see
Man City's prospects are realistically better than ours but in a way I'm surprised Milner wants to go there. I think if he waited another year Man Utd would come in with a bid which would be a much better career move for him.
Or Chelsea when fat Frank is 33
Man City is something so unknown it is a risk for anyone but the wages help and the signing on fee. No one is certain of trophies but look at Dunne for how he found leaving was the better option.
What happens if they got CL or won the league as I think is possible, they will look to get the real world stars exactly in Milner's position, maybe the PL medal is worth that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 22, 2010, 08:55:19 PM
Quote from: "curiousorange"
So Ireland, who as a former City player of the year and first-teamer, would have been put on a generous wage by City to keep him at the club. Now he's surplus to requirements, would he need to take a massive drop in wages to come down the M6?
As he hasn't asked to leave no doubt he will trouser a fat loyalty bonus to soften the blow of being paid a bit less elsewhere.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 22, 2010, 09:05:00 PM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "curiousorange"
So Ireland, who as a former City player of the year and first-teamer, would have been put on a generous wage by City to keep him at the club. Now he's surplus to requirements, would he need to take a massive drop in wages to come down the M6?
As he hasn't asked to leave no doubt he will trouser a fat loyalty bonus to soften the blow of being paid a bit less elsewhere.
exactly what happened with Sidwell who was on £70k a week at Chelsea
Ireland would have the choice of £90k a week and no games or £70k a week with games every week with his Irish mate at the club selling it to him.
The Dunne factor should not be underestimated
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Sutton_Villa23 on July 22, 2010, 09:25:30 PM
Ive had the afternoon to think about this so hear goes. Lets not look like dicks slagging Milner off, 6 months ago we worshipped the guy - slagging him off now makes us look ridiculous. James Milner is a very good player, but lets face it, we could get 25million pounds for him. This is a great deal for us, yes we are all sore that he has had his head turned, but let him move on and let the manager rebuild the side like he did last summer - replacing Milner with Ireland and Mcgeady and maybe the addition of Robbie Keane is good business - Man City are getting a guy who has played non stop football for 5 years with a 25m price tag weighing rather heavily on his shoulders - believe me we will be better off for this. I also believe despite the numbskulls who berated him last year, we will see the best out of stuart downing this year
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2010, 09:30:46 PM
I for one pray that the likes of Gabby or Ash, or any of the kids coming through never play for our national team again. What a completely poisoned environment that must be. We've gone from have so much affection for a player who on the surface appeared so level headed to one where he is spurning regular football for a chance at playing amongst the stars at Man City. It turns my stomach to think what might have been said or shown to him in the 3 weeks England were together for the World Cup. The likes of Terry, Barry, Cole, Rooney etc all in his ear about the riches elsewhere. Just where would we be had Gabby and Ash made the squad?
I got a message for James - "you're good, but not THAT good". None of the England players are, and he'd be much better served playing regularly at Villa and improving his game than being a bit part player at Man City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 22, 2010, 09:32:31 PM
Quote from: "Sutton_Villa23"
Ive had the afternoon to think about this so hear goes. Lets not look like dicks slagging Milner off, 6 months ago we worshipped the guy - slagging him off now makes us look ridiculous.
No it doesn't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 22, 2010, 09:32:58 PM
I will never slag him off or boo him, he has not done a 'Barry' the club announced this in the right professional way
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2010, 09:35:08 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I for one pray that the likes of Gabby or Ash, or any of the kids coming through never play for our national team again. What a completely poisoned environment that must be. We've gone from have so much affection for a player who on the surface appeared so level headed to one where he is spurning regular football for a chance at playing amongst the stars at Man City. It turns my stomach to think what might have been said or shown to him in the 3 weeks England were together for the World Cup. The likes of Terry, Barry, Cole, Rooney etc all in his ear about the riches elsewhere. Just where would we be had Gabby and Ash made the squad?
I got a message for James - "you're good, but not THAT good". None of the England players are, and he'd be much better served playing regularly at Villa and improving his game than being a bit part player at Man City.
Whilst that may be true. A couple of things come to mind, it's kind of a catch 22 there, because if they are not getting a look in with England they may well want to look elsewhere so they get noticed. Also I think the player needs to take some responsibility, it's all well and good having those players 'in his ear', but he can still show some intelligence and make a choice for himself.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Sutton_Villa23 on July 22, 2010, 09:36:04 PM
Yes it does, it makes us look like baffoons. Let him go, who gives a shit, so he left for another job - so fucking what - he can be replaced i cant be arsed to waste my breath on him id rather get behind the players that do want to stay and the blokes that come in to replace him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on July 22, 2010, 09:41:31 PM
Quote from: "Sutton_Villa23"
Yes it does, it makes us look like baffoons. Let him go, who gives a shit, so he left for another job - so fucking what - he can be replaced i cant be arsed to waste my breath on him id rather get behind the players that do want to stay and the blokes that come in to replace him.
I agree that he can be replaced, in fact the prospect of 30 million for him actually makes me pretty desperate for the transfer to go through. I just think he deserves a fair amount of stick.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2010, 09:42:42 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I for one pray that the likes of Gabby or Ash, or any of the kids coming through never play for our national team again. What a completely poisoned environment that must be. We've gone from have so much affection for a player who on the surface appeared so level headed to one where he is spurning regular football for a chance at playing amongst the stars at Man City. It turns my stomach to think what might have been said or shown to him in the 3 weeks England were together for the World Cup. The likes of Terry, Barry, Cole, Rooney etc all in his ear about the riches elsewhere. Just where would we be had Gabby and Ash made the squad?
I got a message for James - "you're good, but not THAT good". None of the England players are, and he'd be much better served playing regularly at Villa and improving his game than being a bit part player at Man City.
Whilst that may be true. A couple of things come to mind, it's kind of a catch 22 there, because if they are not getting a look in with England they may well want to look elsewhere so they get noticed. Also I think the player needs to take some responsibility, it's all well and good having those players 'in his ear', but he can still show some intelligence and make a choice for himself.
Obviously there was a little tongue in cheek there in my comments. It's unavoidable for players to not be influenced by bigger and better things. While all clubs are selling clubs in one respect or another, it's just a little sad that a player who is not even close to the finished article is leaving a stable situation to one that is guaranteed to be a lot more volatile. This isn't like Chelsea. They were successful before Mourinho. The Man City thing is far more repulsive than that ever was.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2010, 09:44:12 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I for one pray that the likes of Gabby or Ash, or any of the kids coming through never play for our national team again. What a completely poisoned environment that must be. We've gone from have so much affection for a player who on the surface appeared so level headed to one where he is spurning regular football for a chance at playing amongst the stars at Man City. It turns my stomach to think what might have been said or shown to him in the 3 weeks England were together for the World Cup. The likes of Terry, Barry, Cole, Rooney etc all in his ear about the riches elsewhere. Just where would we be had Gabby and Ash made the squad?
I got a message for James - "you're good, but not THAT good". None of the England players are, and he'd be much better served playing regularly at Villa and improving his game than being a bit part player at Man City.
I completely agree with that, it's a shame that football is in such a state.
Whilst that may be true. A couple of things come to mind, it's kind of a catch 22 there, because if they are not getting a look in with England they may well want to look elsewhere so they get noticed. Also I think the player needs to take some responsibility, it's all well and good having those players 'in his ear', but he can still show some intelligence and make a choice for himself.
Obviously there was a little tongue in cheek there in my comments. It's unavoidable for players to not be influenced by bigger and better things. While all clubs are selling clubs in one respect or another, it's just a little sad that a player who is not even close to the finished article is leaving a stable situation to one that is guaranteed to be a lot more volatile. This isn't like Chelsea. They were successful before Mourinho. The Man City thing is far more repulsive than that ever was.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mister E on July 22, 2010, 09:44:38 PM
It's all about the price now: get £25-30m and I'm relaxed. Then give it to someone who knows how to spend it ...
... I see a flaw in my logic!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 22, 2010, 09:46:47 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I for one pray that the likes of Gabby or Ash, or any of the kids coming through never play for our national team again. What a completely poisoned environment that must be. We've gone from have so much affection for a player who on the surface appeared so level headed to one where he is spurning regular football for a chance at playing amongst the stars at Man City. It turns my stomach to think what might have been said or shown to him in the 3 weeks England were together for the World Cup. The likes of Terry, Barry, Cole, Rooney etc all in his ear about the riches elsewhere. Just where would we be had Gabby and Ash made the squad?
I got a message for James - "you're good, but not THAT good". None of the England players are, and he'd be much better served playing regularly at Villa and improving his game than being a bit part player at Man City.
I completely agree with that, it's a shame that football is in such a state.
Whilst that may be true. A couple of things come to mind, it's kind of a catch 22 there, because if they are not getting a look in with England they may well want to look elsewhere so they get noticed. Also I think the player needs to take some responsibility, it's all well and good having those players 'in his ear', but he can still show some intelligence and make a choice for himself.
Obviously there was a little tongue in cheek there in my comments. It's unavoidable for players to not be influenced by bigger and better things. While all clubs are selling clubs in one respect or another, it's just a little sad that a player who is not even close to the finished article is leaving a stable situation to one that is guaranteed to be a lot more volatile. This isn't like Chelsea. They were successful before Mourinho. The Man City thing is far more repulsive than that ever was.
Not sure what happened there! but I completely agree with that, it's sad that football is in the state it is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Sutton_Villa23 on July 22, 2010, 09:50:11 PM
We quickly forget that the past 20 years has been littered with Aston Villa selling their very best players: Platt, Yorke, Southgate, Barry now Milner. I'll be a fan long after James has retired I couldnt give two shits whether he thinks he can win stuff at Man City quicker than Aston Villa, I dont care that he's doubling his money - he'll be replaced just like the aforementioned names.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bertlambshank on July 22, 2010, 09:53:29 PM
Quote from: "march"
I will never slag him off or boo him, he has not done a 'Barry' the club announced this in the right professional way
At least Barry gave us his best years.Milner has 1 good season in the middle and fucks off.What James has done is in a lot off ways worse.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on July 22, 2010, 09:53:57 PM
So potentially we could be losing from the squad;
Milner, Sidwell, Reo-Coker, Young, Bouma, Harewood, Heskey, Shorey, and Davies include Gardner in January for nil coming in.
It's obvious the wage bill is being trimmed, I worry that the likes of Salifou and Osbourne will be 'talked up' about having a great pre season - in preparation for the coming year.
There is no way on this earth O'Neill will get players in to deal with those losses.
Custard Pants - last year Milner - this year Ashley Young - next year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Sutton_Villa23 on July 22, 2010, 09:56:16 PM
Mate, the only thing you need to worry about is changing your user name. The manager will sort it, besides half the players you mention are gash anyway earning upwards of 30k a week we need to get shot of them
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2010, 09:56:43 PM
Quote from: "bigad82"
Quote from: "march"
I will never slag him off or boo him, he has not done a 'Barry' the club announced this in the right professional way
At least Barry gave us his best years.Milner has 1 good season in the middle and fucks off.What James has done is in a lot off ways worse.
Barry handled his exit very badly indeed. I just think Milner's got way ahead of himself here and has been reading the headlines about him a little too much.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bertlambshank on July 22, 2010, 10:03:23 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "bigad82"
Quote from: "march"
I will never slag him off or boo him, he has not done a 'Barry' the club announced this in the right professional way
At least Barry gave us his best years.Milner has 1 good season in the middle and fucks off.What James has done is in a lot off ways worse.
Barry handled his exit very badly indeed. I just think Milner's got way ahead of himself here and has been reading the headlines about him a little too much.
Nah,Steve Hodge all over again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: gervilla on July 22, 2010, 10:05:01 PM
Thats football folks. Unless we are winning trophies our best players are always going to be off once a bigger club with wads of cash and better prospects af silverware come knocking. I hate it but its just a fact of life. Do you think Yorke or Platt regret leaving us......I dont think so. Its one of the drawbacks of being a Villa fan....but I wouldnt change it for the world. There will be more Milners, Bozzies, Platts ,Yorkes & Barrys who outgrow our little pond. Get used to it. Villa till I die......Shame it doesn't apply to the players.( Except Heskey)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2010, 10:25:51 PM
Quote from: "EffDee"
It's all about the price now: get £25-30m and I'm relaxed. Then give it to someone who knows how to spend it ...
... I see a flaw in my logic!
Let's be fair for a second. If you're happy at getting £25-30m for Milner, then maybe a bit of credit for the manager who was brave enough to buy him when he was vastly over-priced in the first place is due.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Harte on July 22, 2010, 10:26:18 PM
Y'know, now that O'Neill has said that Milner wants to leave the club I just feel nothing. No anger, no sadness.
I've seen it happen too often in the past. McMahon, Cowans, Hodge (yes, a Judas, but our best player at the time), Platt, Yorke, Barry and now Milner. And so the list continues. Its happened all before, and it will happen again.
All I can think is "so what."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2010, 10:27:54 PM
Within two weeks of the season starting Milner will be forgotten. That's why I'm not too bothered provided we come out of it with the best deal we can scalp them for.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 22, 2010, 10:35:57 PM
Quote from: "Chris Harte"
Y'know, now that O'Neill has said that Milner wants to leave the club I just feel nothing. No anger, no sadness.
I've seen it happen too often in the past. McMahon, Cowans, Hodge (yes, a Judas, but our best player at the time), Platt, Yorke, Barry and now Milner. And so the list continues. Its happened all before, and it will happen again.
All I can think is "so what."
It's no surprise anymore is it?
You can understand why Platt and Yorke went, Barry also to an extent, even if he did make an arse of himself trying to get away. Milner though has only been here 5 minutes and a bit of loyalty would'nt have gone amiss.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 22, 2010, 10:39:42 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "Chris Harte"
Y'know, now that O'Neill has said that Milner wants to leave the club I just feel nothing. No anger, no sadness.
I've seen it happen too often in the past. McMahon, Cowans, Hodge (yes, a Judas, but our best player at the time), Platt, Yorke, Barry and now Milner. And so the list continues. Its happened all before, and it will happen again.
All I can think is "so what."
It's no surprise anymore is it?
You can understand why Platt and Yorke went, Barry also to an extent, even if he did make an arse of himself trying to get away. Milner though has only been here 5 minutes and a bit of loyalty would'nt have gone amiss.
He's gone from being a very average wide player, to a very good PL level central midfielder. Not world class, not even great in my opinion. I look at players like Gerrard or Lampard as great PL players. The way I look at this now, if we get close to £30m, even £25m, then we'll have done very well indeed.
I really just want this over and done with now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Cooper please on July 22, 2010, 11:00:55 PM
Quote from: "Sutton_Villa23"
Mate, the only thing you need to worry about is changing your user name. The manager will sort it, besides half the players you mention are gash anyway earning upwards of 30k a week we need to get shot of them
The manager you think will sort it is the bloke who signed all these gash players on upwards of 30K a week!
Personally I'm not convinced.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on July 22, 2010, 11:26:16 PM
Tempted to believe it tbh. Milner doesn't seem the type. MON is getting a bit of a reputation for pissing players off.
If that is true, then it really is pretty fucking disgraceful.
Now whot believe. Martin fell out with several players o'neill - whom needs cash to bring in some more people for the bench.
Or James wouldn't comment Milner.
Fuck off MON is my reply
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 11:36:04 PM
Interesting article, wouldn't surprise me if o neill has tried to manipulate the story to suit himself , his man management again has to be questioned, several players have had disagreements with him and he seems a bit prickly to say the least.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 22, 2010, 11:37:19 PM
Tempted to believe it tbh. Milner doesn't seem the type. MON is getting a bit of a reputation for pissing players off.
If that is true, then it really is pretty fucking disgraceful.
Now whot believe. Martin fell out with several players o'neill - whom needs cash to bring in some more people for the bench.
Or James wouldn't comment Milner.
Fuck off MON is my reply
MON is getting a reputation for pissing off his players. Milner has been a model pro throughout his career so if form has anything to go by then we can see what is what.
Milner has not spoke public about his desire to leave so far as far as I am aware?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: 1_Pablo_Angel on July 22, 2010, 11:37:23 PM
There was another thing in the Guardian a week ago saying that Milner was apparently a bit confused by the lack of a new contract offer, which MON had previously said would be forthcoming.
So either that writer is great mates with Milner's agent, and Milner's not the man all previous actions in his career have led us to believe him to be, or MON really has been a twat about this. I'm fast reaching the point where I might have had enough of him. If Keane is our big Summer signing after this...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 11:37:34 PM
If anybody believes that City hadn’t sounded Milner out before the World Cup then they’re a fool.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 22, 2010, 11:37:46 PM
Tempted to believe it tbh. Milner doesn't seem the type. MON is getting a bit of a reputation for pissing players off.
If that is true, then it really is pretty fucking disgraceful.
The 2 journos who wrote this are in New Yoik Citeh with Man Citehh and the only direct quotes are from MoN.
Work it out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 11:38:42 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
If anybody believes that City hadn’t sounded Milner out before the World Cup then they’re a fool.
I'm sure they did, but if that Guardian article is to be believed (and they're amongst the most accurate of sources with Villa stories) and Milner was never actually approached about a new contract, and never said he wanted to leave, then you really do have to wonder what the fuck is going on
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 11:40:53 PM
Tempted to believe it tbh. Milner doesn't seem the type. MON is getting a bit of a reputation for pissing players off.
If that is true, then it really is pretty fucking disgraceful.
The 2 journos who wrote this are in New Yoik Citeh with Man Citehh and the only direct quotes are from MoN.
Work it out.
The Guardian is a decent source for Villa stories.
Only one of the journos is in New York.
Stuart James (the other one) is their midlands correspondent.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 11:42:14 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Ads"
If anybody believes that City hadn’t sounded Milner out before the World Cup then they’re a fool.
I'm sure they did, but if that Guardian article is to be believed (and they're amongst the most accurate of sources with Villa stories) and Milner was never actually approached about a new contract, and never said he wanted to leave, then you really do have to wonder what the fuck is going on
Even if you place your trust in the journalist, it doesn’t change anything. Citeh wouldn’t have bid for him unless they’d been given the nod by the player himself. As Dave Woodhall said, there’s no need for the histrionics.
Milner wasn’t being paid very much at Newcastle, we offer a big fee and triple his wages. Now Man City are offering a big fee and will be tripling his wages.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 11:42:32 PM
The general also says milner.has been a true pro in the situation and is full of praise of his conduct throughout so again the finger points at the man named mon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 22, 2010, 11:42:33 PM
Staggeringly bad PR whoever is in control. Anyone still looking forward to the new season? What a day.........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 11:44:07 PM
Quote from: "east19"
The general also says milner.has been a true pro in the situation and is full of praise of his conduct throughout so again the finger points at the man named mon.
Blamed for what? Pissing him off? Boo-hoo. He could tuck him in at night and read him a bed time story and it wouldn’t have changed the inevitable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 11:50:06 PM
Maybe so,but there are differing sides to the story, was he offered a contract and did he express that he wanted to leave or did he just leave everything open until after the world cup?
Either way if the offer is £24m let's take it and get on with spending it rather than mess about weeks trying to squeeze another million.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 11:50:37 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
[ Even if you place your trust in the journalist, it doesn’t change anything. Citeh wouldn’t have bid for him unless they’d been given the nod by the player himself. As Dave Woodhall said, there’s no need for the histrionics.
I am aware of the way these things work, but why would City not have bid for him had his agent not given him the nod? And what is the link between that, and that article?
I'm not engaging in histrionics, I'm referrring to the part where Milner disputes that he told MON he wanted to leave, and says that MON is not being truthful in saying he was offered a new contract.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 22, 2010, 11:52:06 PM
I don't understand where they have the legs to run this story from. The Villa side has direct, attributable quotes. All we get from the player's side is a sensationalised 'exclusive.'
Having said that, I wouldn't be surprised if this was a tactic to speed the whole thing up. If it's on the part of our club, it's pretty shabby.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 22, 2010, 11:52:44 PM
Maybe MON want's to look good by selling our best player. If Milner asks to leave then MON looks the good guy, no use keeping a player that does not want to be here and will go for cheaper in a few years. If MON wants to cash in on Milner then he will look the bad one and make us look like a selling club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 11:53:12 PM
Quote from: "Slaphead"
Maybe MON want's to look good by selling our best player. If Milner asks to leave then MON looks the good guy, no use keeping a player that does not want to be here and will go for cheaper in a few years. If MON wants to cash in on Milner then he will look the bad one and make us look like a selling club.
And I suspect you're spot on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 22, 2010, 11:53:16 PM
Tempted to believe it tbh. Milner doesn't seem the type. MON is getting a bit of a reputation for pissing players off.
If that is true, then it really is pretty fucking disgraceful.
The 2 journos who wrote this are in New Yoik Citeh with Man Citehh and the only direct quotes are from MoN.
Work it out.
The Guardian is a decent source for Villa stories.
Only one of the journos is in New York.
Stuart James (the other one) is their midlands correspondent.
OK, let me put it another way.
What, would you say, has the chap in New York contributed to the piece, and what is his likely source?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 22, 2010, 11:53:20 PM
I’m saying that what differences does it make whether a contract was talked about, offered, rejected or otherwise? Once Citeh bid, the whole thing became inevitable, Milner was always going to go, as the only players saying no to Man City are those that are already there, such as Bellamy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 11:53:58 PM
Tempted to believe it tbh. Milner doesn't seem the type. MON is getting a bit of a reputation for pissing players off.
If that is true, then it really is pretty fucking disgraceful.
The 2 journos who wrote this are in New Yoik Citeh with Man Citehh and the only direct quotes are from MoN.
Work it out.
The Guardian is a decent source for Villa stories.
Only one of the journos is in New York.
Stuart James (the other one) is their midlands correspondent.
OK, let me put it another way.
What, would you say, has the chap in New York contributed to the piece, and what is his likely source?
What do you think Stuart James, their regular Villa reporter, has contributed to the piece, and what is his likely source?
I did also say "if that is true". If I'd read it as an Alan Nixon exclusive in the Mirror, I'd be less worried. Coming in the Graun, I'm more worried.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 22, 2010, 11:56:48 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m saying that what differences does it make whether a contract was talked about, offered, rejected or otherwise? Once Citeh bid, the whole thing became inevitable, Milner was always going to go, as the only players saying no to Man City are those that are already there, such as Bellamy.
The end result might be inevitable, but I'd prefer it if the manager didn't tell the press Milner had told us he wanted to leave at the end of the season, and if he didn't say we'd offered him a new contract if, in fact, that wasn't actually true.
I can live with Milner leaving. It worries me a bit if the suggestion is that our manager is telling porkies about what happened.
If we're going to sell him because we think it is inevitable he will go, or because we want to sell him, just say it. Or at least don't paint a picture to the contrary.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 22, 2010, 11:59:37 PM
I suppose it tarnishes milners relationship with the fans and if he didn't ask for a move he's entitled to say so- either way he's going to go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2010, 12:00:56 AM
Milner isn't being forced out. He wants to go and we'd quite like the cash.
It doesn't matter whether the article is true or otherwise, he'll still go and he'll still get booed at B6.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 23, 2010, 12:01:01 AM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 23, 2010, 12:28:50 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Slaphead"
Maybe MON want's to look good by selling our best player. If Milner asks to leave then MON looks the good guy, no use keeping a player that does not want to be here and will go for cheaper in a few years. If MON wants to cash in on Milner then he will look the bad one and make us look like a selling club.
And I suspect you're spot on.
I know who I would believe if it's one against the other.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2010, 12:30:43 AM
What does it really matter though? It seems like an argument over semantics to me and while it may be interesting to know the truth, whether Milner told O’Neill back in May that he wanted out is irrelevant- as he was always going to leave for Citeh regardless.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 23, 2010, 12:33:27 AM
It matters so we know what reception to give Milner, if he has been forced out then we can't exactly hate the guy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Woofles The Wonder Dog on July 23, 2010, 12:35:33 AM
It matters in as much as if O'Neill is being loose or just plain misleading with the truth then that's not a reputation a Manager hoping to attract top players needs to have.
Players need to trust their Manager. I have no idea who's telling the truth here, but what is important is what is perceived to be the truth. Mud sticks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2010, 12:36:58 AM
Quote from: "Slaphead"
It matters so we know what reception to give Milner, if he has been forced out then we can't exactly hate the guy.
We want the money and he wants to go.
He’s in an opposition shirt and he’s not a Villa legend, therefore you can boo him all you like.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on July 23, 2010, 12:40:40 AM
It's all politics.
1)Mancini comes out and says he can "play the waiting game and won't pay over the odds for players"
2)Villa get worried that Man City won't buy and Milner won't sign a new contract. He will enter the penultimate year of his contract and his transfer value will therefore be halved.
3) Mon makes a statement that "Milner wants to leave" in the hope that another club might make an offer if Citeh don't want to go much above 20 million.
And the semantics of it...Mon can claim Milner wants to leave because he is not willing to sign a new contract and Milner can claim he doesn't want to leave because he hasn't put in a transfer request. Each party is just playing with words.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 23, 2010, 12:41:10 AM
Ads is right in a way. Milner will go and MON is a dead man walking after tonight's revelations. this time next year we won't care much about either of them
Time for bed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 23, 2010, 12:42:19 AM
Quote from: "Ads"
What does it really matter though? It seems like an argument over semantics to me and while it may be interesting to know the truth, whether Milner told O’Neill back in May that he wanted out is irrelevant- as he was always going to leave for Citeh regardless.
You are surely right about the inevitability of his departure.
However, the campaign against MoN is gaining ground, on the internet at least, and so the issue is more than one of semantics.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 23, 2010, 12:43:11 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Ads is right in a way. Milner will go and MON is a dead man walking after tonight's revelations. this time next year we won't care much about either of them
Time for bed.
Larf!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on July 23, 2010, 12:47:11 AM
What it sounds like to me is that Milner has expressed an interest in going to Man City but isn't going to force the issue, and Villa are starting to like the idea of making some money from selling him whilst claiming they don't want to sell. Could be wrong but I guess we will see.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: atomicjam on July 23, 2010, 12:50:26 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Ads is right in a way. Milner will go and MON is a dead man walking after tonight's revelations. this time next year we won't care much about either of them
Time for bed.
Thank goodness. I will wait for the full story to come out before putting either Milner or MON in the firing line. That said one of them is trying to further Aston Viila and the other is joining the money. Milner can bugger off, he was always going to. MON needs to get the deal done, forget about trying to give the papers a headline and look after the rest of our players and those hopefully he will sign.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2010, 12:51:03 AM
MON would be risking a lot if he's lying. Firstly, I thought Randy was meant to have been at that meeting, so basically he'd be making a liar out of him too. Second, if he's lying, then he'd be fucked with the fans and his current players. Players aren't going to want to play for a manager who might screw them in the media.
Something's not right here, and I'd be shocked if MON is lying about the situation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: atomicjam on July 23, 2010, 12:58:06 AM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
MON would be risking a lot if he's lying. Firstly, I thought Randy was meant to have been at that meeting, so basically he'd be making a liar out of him too. Second, if he's lying, then he'd be fucked with the fans and his current players. Players aren't going to want to play for a manager who might screw them in the media.
Something's not right here, and I'd be shocked if MON is lying about the situation.
I agree. MON knows all about libel, he has been there, he knows the press and he knows what is risked by being outed by making stuff up. It seems to me more likely a believable story than a real one. Although the next few days will no doubt inform us all better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 23, 2010, 01:01:41 AM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
MON would be risking a lot if he's lying. Firstly, I thought Randy was meant to have been at that meeting, so basically he'd be making a liar out of him too. Second, if he's lying, then he'd be fucked with the fans and his current players. Players aren't going to want to play for a manager who might screw them in the media.
Something's not right here, and I'd be shocked if MON is lying about the situation.
You are right, TV. MoN chooses his words carefully, in this case too carefully.
What he has been reported as saying is that in the meeting Milner intimated that ha might like to go. In lawyer-speak, the word intimated is somewhat ambiguous. If the context of the meeting was to get JM to commit to the club, and he remained unconvinced, that could be construed as intimating that he would leave.
From JMs point of view, you can see why he would be irritated that there are headlines reporting that he wants to go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 23, 2010, 01:08:11 AM
I'm starting to get beyond past caring who said what. Milner wants to go and Martin doesn't seem particularly keen to keep him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: atomicjam on July 23, 2010, 01:18:44 AM
And if Milner is so upset regarding the notion he wants to leave, then why not say something himself. These qoutes from friends, papers, hacks, sources... Why not say he would stay if, he would go if... It all seems to me to be a bit Barry. I want my cake, but to look like the good guy while I eat it. I did say we need to wait for the facts but that last glass of wine kicked in!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: N'ZMAV on July 23, 2010, 01:31:12 AM
24Million Pounds for Milner is worth taking, yes, he was good for us last season, but could we get better with that money? Yes. Is MON able to find that replacement? Sure, Ireland at City is as good as Milner.
On another point, How can Milner be so upset and really want to leave Villa? The place is paradise to what he was compared to at Newcastle, and if he thinks he'll be first choice every week at City then he's going to be sadly mistaken, he'll probably be sitting next to Mr Barry on City's bench next season. We've been as good for him as he has been for us, which was good, but not World Class.
These footballers really piss me off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveD on July 23, 2010, 01:48:44 AM
Of course Milner won't put in a transfer request, in case he loses out on money due to him; so the game is played out via agents and media gossip. We all know City have effectively tapped him up and Milner has hardly been out and committed himself to Villa over the last few weeks, when he's had plenty of opportunity to do so.
I can't blame O'Neill for bringing things to a head - if he's going to leave let's not only get the best possible deal but get it over with quickly, and not let it drag on until transfer deadline day.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: avfcpg on July 23, 2010, 02:16:23 AM
So what Milner saying?
"Do you want to stay? No" "Do you want to go? No"
Brilliant, thanks for clearing that up.
End result is the same, he's off. The who said and why and what are all pretty irrelevant and tabloid stirring... Just get it done, get Ireland, a wad of cash, a stack of french porn and an amusing clock and move on...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on July 23, 2010, 02:24:18 AM
If we get 24 million for Milner then the premiership really has gone crazy. Good player yes but it's getting ridiculous now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: avfcpg on July 23, 2010, 02:31:15 AM
Quote from: "ROBBO"
If we get 24 million for Milner then the premiership really has gone crazy. Good player yes but it's getting ridiculous now.
It is. What did David Villa go for? £31 million? Just £7 million difference?
Milners a good player but not irreplaceable by any means. Am just sad that it's City that he going to.
Could turn out the same as the players that went to Chelsea. SWP, Parker, Sidwell, Bridge etc. I thought they were all very good players going in..looked different players coming out having bench warmed. Same goes for Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 23, 2010, 02:56:41 AM
So Milner's upset that MON said he wants to leave - why? MON didn't say "he's buggering off to the money, the treacherous scumbag". He's not said "he whined and whined for a megabucks move, the little shit", nor implied anything of the sort. He's quite simply said what we've pretty much all known for a while - Milner wants to go, and MON said nothing else.
Besides, £30m? Hilarious. They'll misuse him anyway, they don't know what he's good at. This stuff from Milner really doesn't put him in a good light, for me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 23, 2010, 03:05:06 AM
Monty, do you sleep?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 23, 2010, 03:15:31 AM
I have been known to. Right now, though, I'm merely watching the NY Red Bulls - Spurs game, partly to scout Bob Keane and partly for the commentary, and that's why I'm up.
In recent times, that would have been when to put in a Milner-Chuck Norris joke about sleep being weakness or something, but no more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2010, 03:19:52 AM
Got a link Monty? I've got a dose of insomnia as well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 23, 2010, 03:23:06 AM
Fraid not, I'm watching it on ESPN on the tv. It's Fox soccer though, so there should be a stream easy enough to find, they're usually all over the place.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rigadon on July 23, 2010, 08:10:47 AM
Can't see what the fuss is about with MON's comments. Shit raking from the press to sell their papers. It's obvious Milner and his agent want out of villa. MON is rightly fighting the clubs corner. What else is he supposed to do? Bend over ? It's unfair in the extreme to use this situtuation which is being stoked by our friend Gary cock and his friends as a stick to beat our manager with.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 23, 2010, 08:17:18 AM
Ireland, Hart and £8m* cash and they can have him.
Would love to get Hart, he's class.
*£8m proceeds towards another midfielder (Flamini or Hleb) and a new striker.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Steve@ardenley on July 23, 2010, 08:30:38 AM
my friend spoke with Milners agent at the PFA awards... He was working on a deal with Man City then... (contract wise)
I'm at bit unsure about O'Neil.. friends who work for Nike hear that the players don't particularly like him... Warnock is the latest to fall out with him (supposedly!)
But i don't blame him for coming out with those coments.
The thing that upsets me is that these players have more than enough money and you would have thought that their decisions would be goal driven e.g. playing in / winning the champs league...
I honestly thought that Milner would be the type of player that wouldn't move just for a bigger Salary...
Do we think Delph could step up once returning from injury?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 23, 2010, 08:36:07 AM
If Milner is "angry and upset" he can clear it up by making a statement saying that he doesn't want to go to Man City.
Will he do that? Will he fuck.
He wants to go, he just doesn't like the fact that Villa have got fed up with Man City trying to piss us about and have tried to force that matter.
I owe Kevin Gage an apology, seems you were right about him all along.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 23, 2010, 08:39:51 AM
Yep. Step up, then step out to Man City for triple wages.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 23, 2010, 08:45:20 AM
I really want to hate Milner for this but if someone offered me double the money, I'd be sorely tempted. Given what they're building, it's hard to see them failing to win things.
Who I truly detest out of this, is Man City. Hoovering up players left, right and centre. And then having Mancini come out and say that they no longer wish to be held to ransom because they're loaded. Well, scarf-wearing dick-face, if you're going to tap players up with promises of untold riches, you'd best be prepared to get bent over from the club you're trying to pillage.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on July 23, 2010, 08:45:45 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
If Milner is "angry and upset" he can clear it up by making a statement saying that he doesn't want to go to Man City.
Will he do that? Will he fuck.
He wants to go, he just doesn't like the fact that Villa have got fed up with Man City trying to piss us about and have tried to force that matter.
I owe Kevin Gage an apology, seems you were right about him all along.
Spot on Chris.
UTV The Doc
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: David_Nab on July 23, 2010, 08:51:34 AM
Quote from: "Steve@ardenley"
my friend spoke with Milners agent at the PFA awards... He was working on a deal with Man City then... (contract wise)
I'm at bit unsure about O'Neil.. friends who work for Nike hear that the players don't particularly like him... Warnock is the latest to fall out with him (supposedly!)
But i don't blame him for coming out with those coments.
The thing that upsets me is that these players have more than enough money and you would have thought that their decisions would be goal driven e.g. playing in / winning the champs league...
I honestly thought that Milner would be the type of player that wouldn't move just for a bigger Salary...
Do we think Delph could step up once returning from injury?
MON seems a marmite manager ..either the player loves him or hates him
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on July 23, 2010, 08:52:51 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
I'm starting to get beyond past caring who said what. Milner wants to go and Martin doesn't seem particularly keen to keep him.
I'm already there. I love and always will love the Villa but the attitude and pay of today's allegedly top players and managers just grinds on my threepennies.
I'd quite happily support a team this year that plays those coming through from within and finishes the season still in the premiership. Having said that I only get to see us 2 or 3 times a season and could understand why those who pay to watch every game may feel differently.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: A|C on July 23, 2010, 08:56:08 AM
Does it matter if players like MON? I can't imagine that many players like/liked Clough, Fergie or Wenger but they're still excellent managers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: 5ft811st2 Durham on July 23, 2010, 08:56:43 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
I really want to hate Milner for this but if someone offered me double the money, I'd be sorely tempted. Given what they're building, it's hard to see them failing to win things.
The distinction is that Milner's already a millionaire and even if he stayed with us on a meagre 40K a week he'd never have to work again after he retires.
The truth is that he had a mediocre first season back with us and only came good when MON shunted him into centre mid 8 months.
He owes us some loyalty, but it hardly comes as a surpise that he doesn't see it that way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 23, 2010, 08:59:12 AM
If he wants to go, go. If man City want to give us enough money, and/or a player plus cash in exchange and the deal is acceptable to us, then good.
Although the money is enticing I really don't think that is the be all and end all for most players in this instance. The lure of playing for a club that are trying to get the best players, trying to win the league, and trying to win the CL thereafter is very appealing. Careers are short and medals hard to come by.
Where Milner is making a mistake in my opinion is that to Man City he is just another player. They want the players they want. Silva is already in his position, and then there's de Jong, Barry, Kompany, SWP, Bellamy, Vieira and whoever else they will sign.
Yes it means he'll have to fight to get in to the team, and to keep his place, but it also means that they are buying players that are for the position they are in now. If they get close to a title and in the CL then expect money to be thrown at the team and the likes of Kaka, Messi to be lured or at least attempted to be lured.
Players going there are a short means to an end. Is Milner going to play in a championship winning team? Man City are trying to build a Real madridesque team of sorts and I'm not sure where he will fit into that. If he does then fair enough and I can see the attraction. I don't believe its all about the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on July 23, 2010, 09:20:20 AM
A very fair assessment Peter and spot on I think....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 23, 2010, 09:39:24 AM
Milner wanted to go weeks ago. I cant blame MON on any of this, I heard it from more or less from Milners mouth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 23, 2010, 09:52:40 AM
I've not read the most recent posts on here - all last night's - but have read the Guardian story.
What I find a bit rich are these supposed protestations from the Milner camp. His agent will have known about City's interest since May, even earlier. He and Milner have had ample time to be pro-active and make positive statements about staying at Villa, but they've declined every opportunity. Even now, it's all rumour and hearsay.
I think we have a player - and an agent - here who want the move AND to come out of it all looking the good guys.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 23, 2010, 10:02:34 AM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Milner wanted to go weeks ago. I cant blame MON on any of this, I heard it from more or less from Milners mouth.
Which makes a mockery of the Daily Mails story that he never said he wanted to go or turned down a contract etc.....
I had hoped for better from somebody like Milner that seemed in a bit more in the old fashioned ilk. Sadly he is no different to the rest. Milner could easily have commented to the press himself but declined too, as such I have to believe MoN's version of the truth. Compare this to AY wanting to stay - let's hope people get off his back and that he returns to his form of 2 seasons ago. I am really hoping that we see the real Downing this season and he could be the key creative player we all crave. At least we will no longer have 3 wingers in the midlfield!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 23, 2010, 10:13:07 AM
strange that after the pre World Cup talks the offical view from Mon and Villa was a positive one. Seems those comments alone back Milner and his agents view. Plus most aware fans appreciate new contracts are rarely offered until the last minute and although I've not spoken to Milner yet, I'm tending towards the view Mon is desperate to unload the one asset he has and as with Barry, try and maintain some face. His statement that we are a selling club plus this latest PR disaster could bloom into an uncomfortable time for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 23, 2010, 10:30:07 AM
Personally, I think we should conclude the deal as soon as possible.
Anything approaching £20 million is daylight robbery. Milner is a tough, hard working player, great engine and all that stuff.
He also went missing at the back end of last season, especially in the games that really mattered.
Bye bye.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mrfuse on July 23, 2010, 10:31:08 AM
Quote from: "Merv"
I've not read the most recent posts on here - all last night's - but have read the Guardian story.
What I find a bit rich are these supposed protestations from the Milner camp. His agent will have known about City's interest since May, even earlier. He and Milner have had ample time to be pro-active and make positive statements about staying at Villa, but they've declined every opportunity. Even now, it's all rumour and hearsay.
I think we have a player - and an agent - here who want the move AND to come out of it all looking the good guys.
Yeah i agree with this They want it both ways.
Whatever Milner says about MON he still wanted to leave, I would prefer for him to say he enjoyed his time with Villa but feels he can become part of a Title winning team and hopes his transfer fee can in some way appease his decision.
I still wouldn't like it but would have a bit more respect for him.
Ive kind of decided that currently I dislike any player that signs for City and hope they cant get all of these players to gel for at least a few seasons putting of the inevitable.
Although Ive renewed my season ticket football is leaving a bad taste in my mouth
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeS on July 23, 2010, 10:39:06 AM
Quote from: "mrfuse"
Although Ive renewed my season ticket football is leaving a bad taste in my mouth
Same here. I've also just moved to London so will be faced with long commutes to VP. I think the mid week games will be a real test of my enduring love of the game.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 23, 2010, 10:50:00 AM
Quote from: "Merv"
I've not read the most recent posts on here - all last night's - but have read the Guardian story.
What I find a bit rich are these supposed protestations from the Milner camp. His agent will have known about City's interest since May, even earlier. He and Milner have had ample time to be pro-active and make positive statements about staying at Villa, but they've declined every opportunity. Even now, it's all rumour and hearsay.
I think we have a player - and an agent - here who want the move AND to come out of it all looking the good guys.
Spot on, Merv. Just had a conversation along those lines at work.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JerryD on July 23, 2010, 10:50:11 AM
I'm guessing this rebuff from Milner's camp is because O'Neill's told him he's got to play Tuesday night against Wasull
And he knows he's going to get pelters of a Hodge-esque level
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on July 23, 2010, 10:50:33 AM
Quote from: LeeS
Quote from: "mrfuse"
Although Ive renewed my season ticket football is leaving a bad taste in my mouth
Same here. I've also just moved to London so will be faced with long commutes to VP. I think the mid week games will be a real test of my enduring love of the game.[/quote]
Believe me LeeS they are......
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 23, 2010, 10:55:06 AM
Quote from: "Merv"
I've not read the most recent posts on here - all last night's - but have read the Guardian story.
What I find a bit rich are these supposed protestations from the Milner camp. His agent will have known about City's interest since May, even earlier. He and Milner have had ample time to be pro-active and make positive statements about staying at Villa, but they've declined every opportunity. Even now, it's all rumour and hearsay.
I think we have a player - and an agent - here who want the move AND to come out of it all looking the good guys.
Absolutely agree with this.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 23, 2010, 10:57:12 AM
Quote from: "mrfuse"
Although Ive renewed my season ticket football is leaving a bad taste in my mouth
Football's 'tasted' vile for about fifteen years.
It's like a cheap chocolate Easter egg; 95% of the product is packaging and the part that matters is hollow and empty.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 23, 2010, 11:11:38 AM
I know someone who has contact with the players and he told me James was an arrogant twat. I didn't believe him because his outward image seems so squeaky clean. Starting to think he is correct now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 23, 2010, 11:17:29 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Merv"
I've not read the most recent posts on here - all last night's - but have read the Guardian story.
What I find a bit rich are these supposed protestations from the Milner camp. His agent will have known about City's interest since May, even earlier. He and Milner have had ample time to be pro-active and make positive statements about staying at Villa, but they've declined every opportunity. Even now, it's all rumour and hearsay.
I think we have a player - and an agent - here who want the move AND to come out of it all looking the good guys.
Spot on, Merv. Just had a conversation along those lines at work.
add to this that both Downing and Young have said this week that they think Milner would be leaving. To say MON made this up sounds like something from a fantasy world
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bosco81 on July 23, 2010, 11:34:37 AM
At the May meeting if Milner had come out and said he wanted to leave, he would have been asked to issue a formal transfer request which obviously affects his cut of the transfer fee, this all about Milner and his agent trying to get the most money they can out of the deal.
MON has called Milner's bluff and now it's up to Man City to see if they value him as much as we do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 23, 2010, 11:36:50 AM
I'd say £20m + Ireland, If we burn our bridges now we'll never be able to do business with city again. I think there are some players to be had from there now and in the future.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 23, 2010, 11:43:42 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
If Milner is "angry and upset" he can clear it up by making a statement saying that he doesn't want to go to Man City.
Will he do that? Will he fuck.
He wants to go, he just doesn't like the fact that Villa have got fed up with Man City trying to piss us about and have tried to force that matter.
I owe Kevin Gage an apology, seems you were right about him all along.
No you don't, chap.
You wanted to believe a Villa player had a bit about him. I did too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: damon loves JT on July 23, 2010, 11:57:26 AM
I actually think we get off pretty lightly compared to some. Imagine being an Arsenal supporter and having to hear all about Cesc Fabregas, season after season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 23, 2010, 11:59:33 AM
I'm getting the impression that Milner and his agent have been caught out here, and their now scrambling to keep face. It seems to me on reflection that Villa are just pissed off with the whole situation and are looking to avoid the Barry saga all over again. Good for us for calling the issue out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 23, 2010, 12:01:52 PM
Quote from: "damon green"
I actually think we get off pretty lightly compared to some. Imagine being an Arsenal supporter and having to hear all about Cesc Fabregas, season after season.
it must be a nightmare watching a team play attractive football, finish top 4 and listen to how your best midfielder might leave but never does.
NIGHTMARE
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2010, 12:01:56 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Merv"
I've not read the most recent posts on here - all last night's - but have read the Guardian story.
What I find a bit rich are these supposed protestations from the Milner camp. His agent will have known about City's interest since May, even earlier. He and Milner have had ample time to be pro-active and make positive statements about staying at Villa, but they've declined every opportunity. Even now, it's all rumour and hearsay.
I think we have a player - and an agent - here who want the move AND to come out of it all looking the good guys.
Spot on, Merv. Just had a conversation along those lines at work.
Surely there's a difference between "not saying he wanted to stay" and "saying he wanted to leave"?
It would be perfectly logical to have done the first but not the second.
Maybe he wanted to keep his options but not ruled out staying?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jfkdon on July 23, 2010, 12:02:26 PM
Sky Sports News is about to talk about the Milner situation, and why it wont be a good move afterall, cant wait for this.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JerryD on July 23, 2010, 12:02:49 PM
I can't see Man City going over 24m. They now know (well to be honest they've always known seeing as they've tapped him up) we're happy to sell and that we'd rather have 24m in the bank than an unhapy player.
That said do we drop our fee because of it and let them take us from behind, or do we stick firm and run the risk of Milner staying and being a miserable face around the club for the next 12 months or so?
Personally i'd be on the phone to City right now saying 20m and Ireland. No ifs or buts.
I've met James twice and always got the impression he'd be a stand up guy, but this has left a very bad taste. If he's still here come Tuesday night i'll be giving him pelters up at the Bescot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: 5ft811st2 Durham on July 23, 2010, 12:05:11 PM
I don't doubt MON on this at all.
Milner wants out but wants it to look like he was sold because Villa simply received an offer that they couldn't refuse.
But we haven't reached that point yet because clearly City must make an offer that exceeds the 24m they paid for Lescott.
So City are playing the same game as Liverpool did with Barry 2 years ago & instead of simply putting the money on the table they have embarked on a war of attrition.
In search circumstances MON was right to speak out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 23, 2010, 12:05:31 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
I'd say £20m + Ireland, If we burn our bridges now we'll never be able to do business with city again. I think there are some players to be had from there now and in the future.
So what? Fuck Man City. If we never have dealings with that poxy club again it would suit me. As if we need to keep them sweet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JerryD on July 23, 2010, 12:06:50 PM
I agree we don't need to keep Man City on 'side'. But 20m and Ireland is equal to 28m surely?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 23, 2010, 12:21:18 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
I'd say £20m + Ireland, If we burn our bridges now we'll never be able to do business with city again. I think there are some players to be had from there now and in the future.
So what? Fuck Man City. If we never have dealings with that poxy club again it would suit me. As if we need to keep them sweet.
I don't want to keep them "sweet" as you put it.
All im saying is that I really want Ireland, I hope we can get him as part of the deal, if Milner wants to go then were not going to change his mind are we? I would also like that Onuoha. So lets do a deal that suits both parties rather than saying £30m or fuck off
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bosco81 on July 23, 2010, 12:29:09 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "damon green"
I actually think we get off pretty lightly compared to some. Imagine being an Arsenal supporter and having to hear all about Cesc Fabregas, season after season.
it must be a nightmare watching a team play attractive football, finish top 4 and listen to how your best midfielder might leave but never does.
NIGHTMARE
And still win fuck all every season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mrfuse on July 23, 2010, 12:52:31 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler
Quote from: "LeeS"
Quote from: "mrfuse"
Although Ive renewed my season ticket football is leaving a bad taste in my mouth
Same here. I've also just moved to London so will be faced with long commutes to VP. I think the mid week games will be a real test of my enduring love of the game.[/quote]
Believe me LeeS they are......
haha yeah I can understand that i only live 30 minutes away and I feel the same!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 23, 2010, 01:49:25 PM
Quote from: "Bosco81"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "damon green"
I actually think we get off pretty lightly compared to some. Imagine being an Arsenal supporter and having to hear all about Cesc Fabregas, season after season.
it must be a nightmare watching a team play attractive football, finish top 4 and listen to how your best midfielder might leave but never does.
NIGHTMARE
And still win fuck all every season.
must be horrible thinking all the way back to 2004 and 2002 to their last league wins. HORRIBLE
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 23, 2010, 02:17:22 PM
Milner is greedy and a liar (If as stated he has contradicted MON). I am not sure I want to see him wear our shirt again. The stuff that is going on with Man City, Milner and his Agent is everything that is wrong with football now days.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 23, 2010, 02:23:47 PM
i dont get it, oniell says milner said he wants to leave, Papers say that milner didnt say anything ilke that Oniell says that milners agent told the chief exec he aint signing a new contract
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY HEARD MILNERS SIDE OF THINGS ?
may his agent is a tosser and trying to get a bonus for himself and dont care if milner plays or not ???
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: David_Nab on July 23, 2010, 02:27:39 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
i dont get it, oniell says milner said he wants to leave, Papers say that milner didnt say anything ilke that Oniell says that milners agent told the chief exec he aint signing a new contract
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY HEARD MILNERS SIDE OF THINGS ?
may his agent is a tosser and trying to get a bonus for himself and dont care if milner plays or not ???
Im sure we will get the NOTW why I need to leave Villa exclusive soon enough..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 23, 2010, 02:31:39 PM
Soon as Milner knew Man shitty wanted him, he wanted to go.
They were going to give him 85/90,000 a week in wages..
I said " Why warm Man shittys bench when he can play every game and be a big part in Aston Villa" I just got the impression, it all boils down to money, football has gone vile.. I was suprised at the time , as I thought Milner wasnt like that and would put playing football first..
The coaching staff are not going to be happy with Milner and I bet there is alot of heated words going on between them and Milner at the moment..
I do know, that MON wants Ireland in the deal , which will be fine by me...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 23, 2010, 02:37:04 PM
SSN makes me laugh." Richard Dunne WARNS James Milner he might be a squad player and not a team player " He's just stating what everybody including Milner knows he's not stupid
It's all about the £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 23, 2010, 02:39:11 PM
Quote
I do know, that MON wants Ireland in the deal , which will be fine by me...
how do you know this my villa friend ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2010, 02:41:02 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Soon as Milner knew Man shitty wanted him, he wanted to go.
They were going to give him 85/90,000 a week in wages..
I said " Why warm Man shittys bench when he can play every game and be a big part in Aston Villa" I just got the impression, it all boils down to money, football has gone vile.. I was suprised at the time , as I thought Milner wasnt like that and would put playing football first..
The coaching staff are not going to be happy with Milner and I bet there is alot of heated words going on between them and Milner at the moment..
I do know, that MON wants Ireland in the deal , which will be fine by me...
That really is a sad read. You live in hope that football, at least to some players, is more than just money but the evidence is mounting up that Milner is just another greedy bastard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 23, 2010, 02:50:27 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
Quote
I do know, that MON wants Ireland in the deal , which will be fine by me...
how do you know this my villa friend ?
I would love to say , but If I did , I would get no more Information .. and I love a little Info from the Villa.. My source would be pissed with me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john2710 on July 23, 2010, 02:51:46 PM
I don't know what value we've placed on him but I would assume it's more than the £24m final offer they are about to make (or having been planning to offer since the end of May).
This one will run until the end of August if both sides refuse to give in and I suspect it won't be MON who blinks first (his stance on Barry has shown this, Milner & Man City must know that). The Lescott deal ran until the 25th August. If they want him badly enough it's for them to tempt us into selling.
As for Milner being upset that MON has broken rank on this, tough, they've had the last 6-8 weeks to put a second / final offer in & they've yet to do so. MON is, quite rightly, trying to force the issue in the interests of Aston Villa & I don't think any of us give a flying f*ck what is in the best interests of the player or that shower of shite from Manchester. Milner wanted this to play out so he looked like he hadn't pushed for the move & that Villa took the offer from Man City forcing him to go.
The price is £28m (even though that's daylight robbery), the deadline is the 1st August.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 23, 2010, 02:54:44 PM
Good job Ive got Claret and Blue blood through my veins. All I would be turning right off this football lark now..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john2710 on July 23, 2010, 02:57:53 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
i dont get it, oniell says milner said he wants to leave, Papers say that milner didnt say anything ilke that Oniell says that milners agent told the chief exec he aint signing a new contract
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY HEARD MILNERS SIDE OF THINGS ?
may his agent is a tosser and trying to get a bonus for himself and dont care if milner plays or not ???
MON said the player intimated that he wanted to go, this is not the same as asking for a move. It could be that he wasn't interested in a new contract, that he'd run his existing contract down etc... All that we know is true is that MON will let him go if they meet the asking price.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 23, 2010, 02:59:21 PM
As others have said, Milner is trying to not be the bad guy here.
He wants to go, we want the cash.
Let's cash in and move on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john2710 on July 23, 2010, 03:09:26 PM
Unfortunately, have we set the standard when we let them have Barry for £12m in order to get one over on Liverpool.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on July 23, 2010, 03:27:33 PM
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
He probably will play most of the matches because he is a good player, he probably will win silverware if he goes there because of the heavy investment and big nights in the Champions League can't be far away, just because he wants to better his career, why does he have to come in for so much abuse.
Yorke left, Barry left and Milner will leave, probably all for the same reason - namely they believe/believed that they will have a better chance of success elsewhere. Yorke DID, Barry and Milner probably will.
If we had got in two or three quality names this summer or last Jan, maybe Milner wouldn't be so sure he would have a better chance of success elsewhere. Is he really to blame or is our lack of ambition coming back to bite us?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mazrimsbruv on July 23, 2010, 03:30:31 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
i dont get it, oniell says milner said he wants to leave, Papers say that milner didnt say anything ilke that Oniell says that milners agent told the chief exec he aint signing a new contract
HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY HEARD MILNERS SIDE OF THINGS ?
may his agent is a tosser and trying to get a bonus for himself and dont care if milner plays or not ???
My theory (and I have no sources, just an over active imagination) is as follows:
Tapping-up of players by clubs is outlawed but the clubs blatantly flout this by using agents to 'sound out' players before making a bid (are they open to a move to that club, what wages would tempt them etc).
Milner's agent will have agreed this with Man City prior to the World Cup and, knowing Villa would never match the deal in any new contract offer, will have told Villa that a new contract would not be signed. The idea being to speed up the deal, i.e. "don't waste your time coming up with a new contract offer".
Then, miraculously, in comes a bid from City. Unfortunately for them it was turned down flat. Martin and Randy probably hoped against all hope that a new contract deal, making Milner the highest paid Villa player ever, could still be reached.
Now that Milner has outright refused, O'Neill has decided to tell the truth about what happened. Milner is inscensed because now it appears he told Villa he no longer wanted to play for them, the club that turned his career around, when no offer was on the table.
I think his agent gambled that Milner's PR rating would not suffer greatly as it would look like he was simply the next in a long line of players to have their head turned by the Megabucks at City. Now Milner looks like an ungrateful piece of shit who practically handed in a transfer request.
However he has underestimated O'Neill's barely-concealed contempt for agents and their conniving self-interest. He should have known better because MON made a mug out of Barry's agent two years ago (didn't Barry sack him after that?).
My guess is that 'Milner's side of things' will have one glaring omission: the role his agent played in allowing another football club to illegaly tap-up his player, so he could line his own pockets into the bargain.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on July 23, 2010, 03:31:46 PM
Quote from: "villa for life"
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
He probably will play most of the matches because he is a good player, he probably will win silverware if he goes there because of the heavy investment and big nights in the Champions League can't be far away, just because he wants to better his career, why does he have to come in for so much abuse.
Yorke left, Barry left and Milner will leave, probably all for the same reason - namely they believe/believed that they will have a better chance of success elsewhere. Yorke DID, Barry and Milner probably will.
If we had got in two or three quality names this summer or last Jan, maybe Milner wouldn't be so sure he would have a better chance of success elsewhere. Is he really to blame or is our lack of ambition coming back to bite us?
That's a good point, but I think if Villa had have won the two trophies we had a real chance of winning last season and managed fourth spot Milner would still probably have wanted to move because Manchester City have the funds to dominate English football for years, and not just have one wonderful season which about as much as Villa can hope for these days.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john robsons sideburns on July 23, 2010, 03:37:17 PM
I'm bemused here that everything that MON said has been based on a conversation between the Chief Exec and Milners Agent!!
Why oh why can MON and Milner not have a conversation, what exactly does MON do all day when he has two coaches, and a Chief Exec who deals with agents??
Lots and lots of players who have played under MON have mentioned that he's a great man manager, if he is not speaking to players about contracts etc, then this has to compromise the managers position.
Surely he would have spoke to Milner at some stage last season and mentioned a new contract was on the table when they report back, why can neither party confirm this. If this wasn't communicated to Milner, then I can't blame him being pissed off. If it was mentioned then he is just another in the greedy footballer bracket and another example (as someone mentioned previously) of all that is wrong with the game.
What furstrates me most is all of the spin and nonsense that is being spouted by both parties, why can't us fans just have the truth
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 23, 2010, 03:39:45 PM
Quote from: "john2710"
Unfortunately, have we set the standard when we let them have Barry for £12m in order to get one over on Liverpool.
With respect, that's rubbish. Liverpool did'nt want to pay what we wanted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 23, 2010, 03:43:20 PM
Last night I was angry. I thought Martin was feeding us porkies and my sleep deprived brain was wheeling out the conspiracy theories, that Milner was an honest lad and Martin was playing games.
After a good night's sleep and a long hard think I'm still angry, utterly fucking furious but because I've analysed the facts, the reliable ITKs and so on I've changed my mind. As others have said in this thread he's trying to be a good guy and has in effect became rather than just the bad guy but a two faced twat of a bad guy. For me he's worse than Barry but that's not to defend him as he's a twat an' all.
Now my decision to listen to our manager rather than some twattish mercenary may be misplaced but come on who would you believe?
James Milner: I thought you were different now I know you're a twat like a lot of the others.
Surely not all footballers are money grabbing twats surely there must be some dedicated hard working pros out there? That Ashley Young looks like he's got a good head on his shoulders.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john2710 on July 23, 2010, 03:53:48 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "john2710"
Unfortunately, have we set the standard when we let them have Barry for £12m in order to get one over on Liverpool.
With respect, that's rubbish. Liverpool did'nt want to pay what we wanted.
Which bit? The fact we sold him for £12m (Liverpool offered £16m 12 months earlier, we wanted £18m) or the speed with which he was sold to Man City.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 23, 2010, 03:59:07 PM
Quote from: "john2710"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "john2710"
Unfortunately, have we set the standard when we let them have Barry for £12m in order to get one over on Liverpool.
With respect, that's rubbish. Liverpool did'nt want to pay what we wanted.
Which bit? The fact we sold him for £12m (Liverpool offered £16m 12 months earlier, we wanted £18m) or the speed with which he was sold to Man City.
As I understand it when Barry agreed to stay for another season we agreed a fee if he still wanted to leave at the end. His agent told Man City who offered it 6 seconds after the window opened and he accepted while Benitez was still scrtaching his balls and rubbing the sleep from his eyes.
He could have waited to see if Liverpool still wanted him but he took the money instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: David_Nab on July 23, 2010, 04:18:27 PM
'The Mighty Reds YNWA' didn't have the cash they offered players in exchange ,they used all thier cash up on Keane which pissed off Rafa and Keane suffered because of it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 23, 2010, 04:27:02 PM
I hate football agents. The so called comment in the Dialy Mail "A Friend of Milner said..." is from the Agent trying to preserve his image. Fact of the matter is upon his advice Milner's head is turned by money and his agent does not give a nat's **** about his development as a footballer.
If Milner is honest he should make a statement about not wanting to go in front of the camera.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 23, 2010, 04:29:53 PM
Quote from: "villa for life"
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
He probably will play most of the matches because he is a good player, he probably will win silverware if he goes there because of the heavy investment and big nights in the Champions League can't be far away, just because he wants to better his career, why does he have to come in for so much abuse.
Yorke left, Barry left and Milner will leave, probably all for the same reason - namely they believe/believed that they will have a better chance of success elsewhere. Yorke DID, Barry and Milner probably will.
If we had got in two or three quality names this summer or last Jan, maybe Milner wouldn't be so sure he would have a better chance of success elsewhere. Is he really to blame or is our lack of ambition coming back to bite us?
its our lack of ambition, i have said on here many times that the total of our ambition is top 6 and some decent cup runs, sadly our supporters seem to accept this so expect more of the same
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 23, 2010, 04:33:24 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "villa for life"
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
He probably will play most of the matches because he is a good player, he probably will win silverware if he goes there because of the heavy investment and big nights in the Champions League can't be far away, just because he wants to better his career, why does he have to come in for so much abuse.
Yorke left, Barry left and Milner will leave, probably all for the same reason - namely they believe/believed that they will have a better chance of success elsewhere. Yorke DID, Barry and Milner probably will.
If we had got in two or three quality names this summer or last Jan, maybe Milner wouldn't be so sure he would have a better chance of success elsewhere. Is he really to blame or is our lack of ambition coming back to bite us?
its our lack of ambition, i have said on here many times that the total of our ambition is top 6 and some decent cup runs, sadly our supporters seem to accept this so expect more of the same
Sadly with the current manager I feel we have no choice but to accept this, hawkeye!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 23, 2010, 04:38:10 PM
Quote from: "john2710"
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "john2710"
Unfortunately, have we set the standard when we let them have Barry for £12m in order to get one over on Liverpool.
With respect, that's rubbish. Liverpool did'nt want to pay what we wanted.
Which bit? The fact we sold him for £12m (Liverpool offered £16m 12 months earlier, we wanted £18m) or the speed with which he was sold to Man City.
I dont recall Liverpol ever offering £16m. They offered a load of shite players, the rest was just press rubbish.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villasjf on July 23, 2010, 04:41:42 PM
Our managers stubborness, tactics and man management and his ability to fall out with lots of players cannot help matters.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 23, 2010, 04:50:38 PM
MON is spectacularly evasive about most things. So for him to publicly make the comments yesterday about Milner means he's 99%, if not 100%, clear that Milner wants to leave.
The time for Milner and agent to be playing it coy has long gone. We know City made an offer in May - or maybe earlier. We know Villa officials spoke with Milner and agent before the WC. We know Milner made some non-committal comments when quizzed about Man City just before the WC. So to try and play the innocent, the 'what's the manager talking about?' card is just a bit too little, too late. His transfer to Man City has been in the public domain for nearly three full calendar months. He'll know everything that's going on.
And what have we got from the Milner camp? a 'source close to the player'? Agent at best. Family friend otherwise. Maybe an unnamed fellow player? Nah, don't think so, James. All this 'let's make it clear, James has never asked to leave Villa, I just hope the fans understand that' guff as quoted by source in the Daily Mail, it just smacks of that rather pitiful letter Barry/Barry agent drafted two years ago... 'please don't hate me'.
Come on. At some point, MON has got to get on with managing a football club, not just managing James Milner and a transfer deal. We've got plans to make, players to sign.
And finally... 'source'... don't think we all don't know why 'James has never asked to leave Villa'. It's nothing to do with him wanting to stay, it's just a way of avoiding putting in a transfer request and losing a bit more cash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 23, 2010, 04:52:29 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "villa for life"
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
He probably will play most of the matches because he is a good player, he probably will win silverware if he goes there because of the heavy investment and big nights in the Champions League can't be far away, just because he wants to better his career, why does he have to come in for so much abuse.
Yorke left, Barry left and Milner will leave, probably all for the same reason - namely they believe/believed that they will have a better chance of success elsewhere. Yorke DID, Barry and Milner probably will.
If we had got in two or three quality names this summer or last Jan, maybe Milner wouldn't be so sure he would have a better chance of success elsewhere. Is he really to blame or is our lack of ambition coming back to bite us?
its our lack of ambition, i have said on here many times that the total of our ambition is top 6 and some decent cup runs, sadly our supporters seem to accept this so expect more of the same
If you mean a lack of ambition within the club ownership then that's bollocks.
What else can Randy do? Sell the club to any of the Arab gazillionaires out there? He has invested heavily some might say too heavily to try to get us onto the greater level.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 23, 2010, 04:52:57 PM
An excellent summary Merv.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mister E on July 23, 2010, 04:53:08 PM
Quote from: "john2710"
Unfortunately, have we set the standard when we let them have Barry for £12m in order to get one over on Liverpool.
No I don't think so. Barry's price of £12m was a result of us / him having wound down another year on his contract - since he was nearer to the end of the contract, his value dropped from the £18-20m that AV wanted for him at the original Liverpool bid.
As an aisde, wouldn't it be great if the Barcodes came in with a £30m bid for Milner which we accepted ... unlikely but rather delicious as one over Citeh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Merv on July 23, 2010, 04:55:02 PM
Yeah. Look at what Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool and Man Utd (and Spurs) have done so far in the transfer market... not much. Do they lack ambition?
It's City, wildly blazing away on a transfer trail of their own, who may everyone else look unambitious. But they're a unique case.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villasjf on July 23, 2010, 05:11:12 PM
Would everyone be so angry if he moved abroad like David Platt or our own legend Gordon Cowans, they were sad moments but the club moved on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 23, 2010, 05:18:42 PM
At the end of the day, they are not fans like us. To us, playing for Villa is the highest standard in our hearts, maybe not our heads. And I find it hurtful that someone would consider playing for another team in preference to the mighty Villa. I can understand it for financial or footballing reasons. But god damn it, I dont have to like it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 23, 2010, 05:25:07 PM
Quote from: "villasjf"
Would everyone be so angry if he moved abroad like David Platt or our own legend Gordon Cowans, they were sad moments but the club moved on.
I think the issue is he's moving to a club who on paper offer the same as us apart from a load of extra pounds. If he moved to Man United like Yorke it would be less of a problem (though I admit there is a lot of lingering resentment from some; not me, there) as they offer a lot more than us sadly.
Now I'm too young to remember either Sid or spoon face and their departures so I don't know how fans reacted but I do know that in both cases Bari were relegated soon after their signings so not much of a step up for either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 23, 2010, 05:46:37 PM
if you want a good laugh, just re read the first 6 pages of this thread,
Milners value was anything from 35mill up to 50 odd, and anything less we werer teling City,Utd etc to clear off, if we sold it was 30 mill + Ireland+bellamy + another, and we should never be selling our best players, especially Miner who is 'one of us' and wont chase the money
nearly 200 pages later, and how times have changed, its get the deal done and move on, Milners a wanker for wanting to go, we'l be stronger without him if we spend it wisely,
so much for the 'done deal' we were told about earlier in the thread, MON hasnt even spoken to him since before the world cup
what a load of bollox
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 23, 2010, 05:49:11 PM
Quote from: "Merv"
MON is spectacularly evasive about most things. So for him to publicly make the comments yesterday about Milner means he's 99%, if not 100%, clear that Milner wants to leave.
Couldn't be Mon trying to manipulate the situation to get rid so he can have more funds to waste, now that RL has him on a tight rein
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 23, 2010, 05:50:30 PM
Quote from: "john e"
if you want a good laugh, just re read the first 6 pages of this thread,
Milners value was anything from 35mill up to 50 odd, and anything less we werer teling City,Utd etc to clear off, if we sold it was 30 mill + Ireland+bellamy + another, and we should never be selling our best players, especially Miner who is 'one of us' and wont chase the money
nearly 200 pages later, and how times have changed, its get the deal done and move on, Milners a wanker for wanting to go, we'l be stronger without him if we spend it wisely,
so much for the 'done deal' we were told about earlier in the thread, MON hasnt even spoken to him since before the world cup
what a load of bollox
Well said sir
Its not quite up to the Barry stupidity but its getting there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: atomicjam on July 23, 2010, 05:52:17 PM
Maybe Milner should start his own H&V thread to clear things up like Leon Knight on Brightons North Stand site:-
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on July 23, 2010, 06:00:37 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "villasjf"
Would everyone be so angry if he moved abroad like David Platt or our own legend Gordon Cowans, they were sad moments but the club moved on.
Now I'm too young to remember either Sid or spoon face and their departures so I don't know how fans reacted but I do know that in both cases Bari were relegated soon after their signings so not much of a step up for either.
When Sid left I was sad to see one of the Rotterdam Lions leave rather than particularly disappointed: at the time I felt we'd had the best from him (he'd not been the same player since coming back from his broken leg - but with hindsight (89-90) it may have been more the general malaise that surrounded Villa Park at the time). I was more concerned about the loss of Paul Rideout at the same time, who I thought we'd groomed well to become long-term Peter Withe replacement.
As for Platt, it was inevitable after Italia 90 and the "big" move then was seen to be to Italy. With echoes of more recent sagas, we made him as a player and then he basically fucked us around for 12 months before pissing off. On the plus side, the £5m we got for him was probably the equivalent now of £25m and BFR used it to build one of the best Villa sides of the last quarter of a century.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2010, 06:08:05 PM
Quote from: "villa for life"
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
Because we're Aston Villa supporters and the truth hurts. I still think he's a greedy bastard though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 23, 2010, 06:15:53 PM
Quote from: "villa for life"
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
Probably because Citeh haven't won owt since the 1970's and -from a footballing perspective- can only offer him the glory of the Europa League next season.
That would be my guess.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 23, 2010, 06:26:10 PM
Quote from: "atomicjam"
Maybe Milner should start his own H&V thread to clear things up like Leon Knight on Brightons North Stand site:-
I have read every page and am now on page 20 thinking the whole time it was a wined up. Now on page 20 it's looking like it could be true... very interesting thread.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on July 23, 2010, 06:49:13 PM
I'm too bone idle to read the thread but I take it folks have suggested that it could be that MON wants the £25m a lot more than Miner wants to leave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 23, 2010, 06:56:20 PM
Quote from: "PeterWithe"
I'm too bone idle to read the thread but I take it folks have suggested that it could be that MON wants the £25m a lot more than Miner wants to leave.
No.I think the majority think Milners a greedy b@stard
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john2710 on July 23, 2010, 07:00:08 PM
I think MON just wants the deal sorted quickly & he hinted that it would be done soon (one way or the other). I think we've set the price & a date to complete it by, £25-30m is a great piece of business for us. Will they get value for that sort of money? I doubt it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 23, 2010, 07:00:53 PM
I think I should post Milners address and let Chris Smith go round and have a heart to heart with him . Or send Mazrim round with a Bazooka ..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 23, 2010, 07:07:06 PM
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Quote from: "PeterWithe"
I'm too bone idle to read the thread but I take it folks have suggested that it could be that MON wants the £25m a lot more than Miner wants to leave.
No.I think the majority think Milners a greedy b@stard
I'm team Milner
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 23, 2010, 07:47:06 PM
Quote from: "PeterWithe"
I'm too bone idle to read the thread but I take it folks have suggested that it could be that MON wants the £25m a lot more than Miner wants to leave.
I think it's a happy coincidence.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villan881 on July 23, 2010, 07:55:06 PM
I'm a greedy bastard as well. I want more money and more glory.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: philsheard on July 23, 2010, 08:00:30 PM
If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bobcat on July 23, 2010, 08:03:30 PM
£24M + Ireland will do. £24M on its own I'd be disappointed with.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 23, 2010, 08:31:58 PM
Quote from: "philsheard"
If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....
Spot on!
He is a greedy prick, he knows just like we do he is going solely for the money!
It can't be for football reasons because he would stay here.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 23, 2010, 08:34:24 PM
And before people say they will have more success, do you think you'd be happy collecting medals from the bench!
Because I shore wouldn't!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on July 23, 2010, 08:55:38 PM
I wish we could just get it done, get him out, get some new ones in, and get on with it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2010, 09:10:49 PM
Quote from: "philsheard"
If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....
Perhaps he's keeping his options open?
That's what I'd do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 23, 2010, 09:15:25 PM
Quote from: "philsheard"
If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....
A tight Yorkshire bastard replies.
Money has NOTHING to do with his reason for wanting to leave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 23, 2010, 09:16:42 PM
Quote from: "gibbo"
And before people say they will have more success, do you think you'd be happy collecting medals from the bench!
Because I shore wouldn't!
If someone offered you the opportunity to challenge for and most likely win top honours & pay you at least £12mil more for doing so,would you take it?
Or would you turn the £12mil down to challenge for a Europa League spot for the next four years
It's a no-brainer
Milner gave his all for our club-he now has a once in a lifetime opportunity to step up.To begrudge him this chance or to post abuse is stupid
Thank God Milner hasn't been "good to the H & V empire" eh? There'd be no slating him then & we'd have nothing to talk about
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2010, 09:21:06 PM
Why does he want out, Chris?
I remember you posting something ages ago but can't recall the details.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 23, 2010, 09:22:14 PM
It's in t'other place I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: philsheard on July 23, 2010, 09:27:03 PM
Chris J,
i wasn't tarring all yorkshiremen with the phrase "tiprat" - its just an expression in the parts I come from and can be directed at anyone.
Admittedly he may see an opportunity with citeh to challenge at the top but the money has to come into it as he's looking at probably doubling his wages. If citeh only offered to match his wages at villa and, as we expect, can't guarantee his a first team place would he be swayed? Probably not i think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 23, 2010, 09:39:44 PM
Quote from: "philsheard"
Chris J,
i wasn't tarring all yorkshiremen with the phrase "tiprat" - its just an expression in the parts I come from and can be directed at anyone.
It's a birthright to be tight fisted when you're born in Yorkshire. Trust me, the money isn't the issue.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: philsheard on July 23, 2010, 09:59:29 PM
it's difficult to accept what you say without some reasoning behind it. Can you elaborate?
Does he want to be closer to home and doesn't enjoy the midlands, is he fed up with villa's style of play, does he think he can win more medals, does he miss lard arse really really bad, was mancini his hero as a kid etc etc.
At the moment I can only think its money or medals but I favour the former.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 23, 2010, 10:25:29 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "philsheard"
If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....
Perhaps he's keeping his options open?
That's what I'd do.
It was a bit late for keeping his options open, don't you think.
If Milner couldn't see the situation at Villa at the end of last season and the way Man City were going about their business for this season, he was being a bit stupid to say the least. He had two options, stay with the Villa for a few more seasons and become the centre of the team and probably the top earner in the club or go to a club that will be challenging for the top honours and earn considerably more. The contrast between the two options was so great that it wouldn't take long to make your mind up.
At the end of the day Milner is a professional footballer and wants success, money and the glamour of being associated with a team winning things. Whether he plays a big part or is a bit part player will determine his future career. It's his choice and if he has decided to go, then I want the best for Villa and that means the best deal possible. We move on and hopefully it is only one step backwards before moving two steps forward.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 23, 2010, 10:39:17 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "gibbo"
And before people say they will have more success, do you think you'd be happy collecting medals from the bench!
Because I shore wouldn't!
If someone offered you the opportunity to challenge for and most likely win top honours & pay you at least £12mil more for doing so,would you take it?
Or would you turn the £12mil down to challenge for a Europa League spot for the next four years
It's a no-brainer
Milner gave his all for our club-he now has a once in a lifetime opportunity to step up.To begrudge him this chance or to post abuse is stupid
Thank God Milner hasn't been "good to the H & V empire" eh? There'd be no slating him then & we'd have nothing to talk about
Milner is going for the money simple! Anyone with half a brain can see he will not figure and that he is being bought simply to stifle us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 23, 2010, 10:42:26 PM
Think about it, if we were city would you buy him?
He is going to a club that plays with 2 sometimes 3 holding midfielders.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 23, 2010, 10:42:41 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "villa for life"
Why is everyone so sure Milner is moving for money? Why can't it be for footballing reasons?
He probably will play most of the matches because he is a good player, he probably will win silverware if he goes there because of the heavy investment and big nights in the Champions League can't be far away, just because he wants to better his career, why does he have to come in for so much abuse.
Yorke left, Barry left and Milner will leave, probably all for the same reason - namely they believe/believed that they will have a better chance of success elsewhere. Yorke DID, Barry and Milner probably will.
If we had got in two or three quality names this summer or last Jan, maybe Milner wouldn't be so sure he would have a better chance of success elsewhere. Is he really to blame or is our lack of ambition coming back to bite us?
its our lack of ambition, i have said on here many times that the total of our ambition is top 6 and some decent cup runs, sadly our supporters seem to accept this so expect more of the same
If you mean a lack of ambition within the club ownership then that's bollocks.
What else can Randy do? Sell the club to any of the Arab gazillionaires out there? He has invested heavily some might say too heavily to try to get us onto the greater level.
i think the ambition was there from the owner, the last few seasons of standing still, poor tactics and a lack of ambition in the transfer market sugest that things have moved on. it is not unreasonable to sugest that ambitious players can allso see the managers failings and decide that there is more chance of real success elsewhere.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DrGonzo on July 23, 2010, 10:43:00 PM
And the joys of warming the bench while other less deserving, over paid, over rated, arrogant twats play instead of him. The thing about Milner is that he isn't a naturally talented player, he works incredibly hard at his game, he is only focused on his career. Until now he has played at clubs who have respected this fantastic work ethic. Mancini isn't exactly famed for his vigorous attitude towards training. I fear that this may come as a culture shock for Milner, I hope it doesn't affect his attitude towards his career, which is his greatest attribute.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 23, 2010, 10:46:33 PM
Quote from: gibbo
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "gibbo"
And before people say
Milner is going for the money simple! Anyone with half a brain can see he will not figure and that he is being bought simply to stifle us.
This might be true but dumping £25mil into our transfer kitty is hardly stifling us
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2010, 10:47:19 PM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "philsheard"
If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....
Perhaps he's keeping his options open?
That's what I'd do.
It was a bit late for keeping his options open, don't you think.
If Milner couldn't see the situation at Villa at the end of last season and the way Man City were going about their business for this season, he was being a bit stupid to say the least. He had two options, stay with the Villa for a few more seasons and become the centre of the team and probably the top earner in the club or go to a club that will be challenging for the top honours and earn considerably more. The contrast between the two options was so great that it wouldn't take long to make your mind up.
At the end of the day Milner is a professional footballer and wants success, money and the glamour of being associated with a team winning things. Whether he plays a big part or is a bit part player will determine his future career. It's his choice and if he has decided to go, then I want the best for Villa and that means the best deal possible. We move on and hopefully it is only one step backwards before moving two steps forward.
No, it isn't too late.
The fact is, though, why would he come out and say "I'm happy and don't want to leave" when, perhaps - perhaps for some of the reasons you mentioned yourself - he isn't sure what he wants to do?
I take all your arguments as to why he should leave us - I don't agree with some of them, but I see why you're making them - but I would suggest that they're not really relevant to the question in hand.
He's no reason to come out and say "I don't want to leave" if he doesn't know if he does or not. That might be the case, that might not be the case, but I don't see how you can dismiss it as a possible reason why he hasn't made such a statement.
Maybe you're more fatalistic than I am. Didn't you suggest the other day that the way forward for us was developing decent players then selling them? Like Wigan, if you will?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 23, 2010, 10:48:50 PM
talking of yorkshire men that Delph is a right money grabbing twat who left his club for the money just to sit on the bench isn't he.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 23, 2010, 10:51:02 PM
paulie has he said "i am happy and dont want to leave"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2010, 10:52:29 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
talking of yorkshire men that Delph is a right money grabbing twat who left his club for the money just to sit on the bench isn't he.
Two years ago, Milner leaves Newcastle to join us, because Newcastle wont offer him more money.
In the intervening two years, on here, we've seen - hundreds of times - people saying how "Jimmy" isn't about money, he just wants to play football, he's "different".
Now, all of a sudden, we're hearing that he's a money grabbing bastard of the worst type.
The revisionism has been quite amazing.
I know he looks a bit like a 1940s throwback with that Blitz schoolboy haircut, but he's a modern day footballer. He wont have any particular allegiance to the club beyond the fact they pay him a huge amount of money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Fasth56 on July 23, 2010, 10:53:02 PM
On SSN just, Citeh have 14 midfielders, couldn't name them, but that is one hell of rotation policy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 23, 2010, 10:57:07 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
talking of yorkshire men that Delph is a right money grabbing twat who left his club for the money just to sit on the bench isn't he.
If he moved to Peterborough yeah, but no not for making the natural progression to the top tier.
Silly analogy really!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 23, 2010, 11:06:37 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
paulie has he said "i am happy and dont want to leave"
sorry if i am off the pace has jimmy said this
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2010, 11:08:58 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
paulie has he said "i am happy and dont want to leave"
sorry if i am off the pace has jimmy said this
No.
The point I am making is people are saying "well, he could clear this all up just by saying he is happy and doesn't want to leave"
My point is that maybe, just maybe, he hasn't said it because he doesn't know what he wants to do.
It's going to be funny on here if he signs a new contract.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 23, 2010, 11:13:10 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "sfx412"
talking of yorkshire men that Delph is a right money grabbing twat who left his club for the money just to sit on the bench isn't he.
Two years ago, Milner leaves Newcastle to join us, because Newcastle wont offer him more money.
Didn't he just ask for something similar to what the others were earning? A bit different to Villa offering what he's worth vs Man City offering what he's worth x 2.
Still, I understand the temptation and, let's face it, they will win something....eventually.
I just cannot understand why a player can't come out and say "I've absolutely loved my time here. It's a fantastic club with fantastic fans. But an opportunity has been put in front of me that is simply too good to refuse. I'm sorry if the fans feel that I've let them down but what's happening at Man City at the moment is unprecendented and I've been invited along for the ride. Etc and so on"
I'd have SO much more respect for him/any player that can say that. I'd also have so much more respect for Man City if it was all done behind closed doors and, if they want to rip the heart and soul out of clubs, they should have the decency to pay the going rate and not fuck about. We seem to be able to do that, why can't others?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 23, 2010, 11:14:13 PM
Quote from: "Fasth56"
On SSN just, Citeh have 14 midfielders, couldn't name them, but that is one hell of rotation policy.
It depends, Mancini could decide to adopt the O'Neill Rotation System Experience(ORSE) or as it's known on the Holte, ARSE.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 23, 2010, 11:16:51 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
paulie has he said "i am happy and dont want to leave"
sorry if i am off the pace has jimmy said this
No.
The point I am making is people are saying "well, he could clear this all up just by saying he is happy and doesn't want to leave"
My point is that maybe, just maybe, he hasn't said it because he doesn't know what he wants to do.
It's going to be funny on here if he signs a new contract.
thanks for explaining, so what do we know? Citeh made an aproach publicly before the WC, JM said he would decide after the WC, MON now says he indicated he wanted to leave before the WC. There have been no direct quotes from Milner recently?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 23, 2010, 11:26:39 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "philsheard"
If he didn't say to O'Neill that he wanted to leave why doesn't he now just come out and say he's happy to stay at Villa and doesn't want a transfer....because he's a greedy yorkshire tiprat that's wy.....
Perhaps he's keeping his options open?
That's what I'd do.
It was a bit late for keeping his options open, don't you think.
If Milner couldn't see the situation at Villa at the end of last season and the way Man City were going about their business for this season, he was being a bit stupid to say the least. He had two options, stay with the Villa for a few more seasons and become the centre of the team and probably the top earner in the club or go to a club that will be challenging for the top honours and earn considerably more. The contrast between the two options was so great that it wouldn't take long to make your mind up.
At the end of the day Milner is a professional footballer and wants success, money and the glamour of being associated with a team winning things. Whether he plays a big part or is a bit part player will determine his future career. It's his choice and if he has decided to go, then I want the best for Villa and that means the best deal possible. We move on and hopefully it is only one step backwards before moving two steps forward.
No, it isn't too late.
The fact is, though, why would he come out and say "I'm happy and don't want to leave" when, perhaps - perhaps for some of the reasons you mentioned yourself - he isn't sure what he wants to do?
I take all your arguments as to why he should leave us - I don't agree with some of them, but I see why you're making them - but I would suggest that they're not really relevant to the question in hand.
He's no reason to come out and say "I don't want to leave" if he doesn't know if he does or not. That might be the case, that might not be the case, but I don't see how you can dismiss it as a possible reason why he hasn't made such a statement.
Maybe you're more fatalistic than I am. Didn't you suggest the other day that the way forward for us was developing decent players then selling them? Like Wigan, if you will?
What I said was that the two scenarios are so black and white that Milner would not be sitting on the fence undecided. He would know in his own mind what he would want to do. If he had wanted to stay with Villa he would have made it very clear to the club that he wanted to stay and the club would have made a very public statement to that effect.
I would suggest that the possible reasons for leaving that I made are very pertinent to the question in hand.
I know I lived in Thailand for a good period of time but I did not become a budhist and thus I do not believe things are predetermined. I believe that he thinks Villa are not improving quickly enough to match his rush to be at a team challenging for the major honours (and consequently cannot match the wages at Man City).
My comment about developing youth and selling on was related to those that did not make the grade and was my preference to buying in squad players. Not like Wigan, at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 23, 2010, 11:33:20 PM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
What I said was that the two scenarios are so black and white that Milner would not be sitting on the fence undecided. He would know in his own mind what he would want to do. If he had wanted to stay with Villa he would have made it very clear to the club that he wanted to stay and the club would have made a very public statement to that effect.
Again, whilst you might think that is the case, you don't know it is, so my suggestion that he hasn't made his mind up must at least be a possibility, surely?
Are you saying there's no chance whatsoever? At all? .
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
I know I lived in Thailand for a good period of time but I did not become a budhist and thus I do not believe things are predetermined. I believe that he thinks Villa are not improving quickly enough to match his rush to be at a team challenging for the major honours (and consequently cannot match the wages at Man City).
You say that you don't believe things are predetermined but the rest of your post says, effectively, that Milner's decision is predetermined.
If things are not predetermined, how can you flatly refuse to accept that maybe he hasn't made his mind up?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2010, 11:36:05 PM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "sfx412"
talking of yorkshire men that Delph is a right money grabbing twat who left his club for the money just to sit on the bench isn't he.
Two years ago, Milner leaves Newcastle to join us, because Newcastle wont offer him more money.
Didn't he just ask for something similar to what the others were earning? A bit different to Villa offering what he's worth vs Man City offering what he's worth x 2.
If I had my current company offering me what I am worth and another company offering me what I am worth x 2 then I would be off to the other company like a shot.
As long as we get a good price for him then I would say cheerio with good grace.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 23, 2010, 11:36:38 PM
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Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2010, 11:39:10 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
What I said was that the two scenarios are so black and white that Milner would not be sitting on the fence undecided. He would know in his own mind what he would want to do. If he had wanted to stay with Villa he would have made it very clear to the club that he wanted to stay and the club would have made a very public statement to that effect.
Again, whilst you might think that is the case, you don't know it is, so my suggestion that he hasn't made his mind up must at least be a possibility, surely?
Are you saying there's no chance whatsoever? At all?
Indeed.
I think the most likely scenario in all of this is "I would love to move to Manchester City and the ridiculous salary that they will throw at me but if they don't offer my current club the price that they want then there is a good chance that I will still be there next season. Do I want to burn my bridges?"
Why would you make an idiotic statement like Barry did two summers ago? Everything to lose, nothing to gain.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 23, 2010, 11:47:56 PM
My guess is milner wants to leave and we want to sell him. MON being the media obsessed control freak he is, wanted to shift the blame milner's way after they came to an agreement before the world cup to keep schtumm. Hence Milner being a bit narked
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 23, 2010, 11:48:10 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
What I said was that the two scenarios are so black and white that Milner would not be sitting on the fence undecided. He would know in his own mind what he would want to do. If he had wanted to stay with Villa he would have made it very clear to the club that he wanted to stay and the club would have made a very public statement to that effect.
Again, whilst you might think that is the case, you don't know it is, so my suggestion that he hasn't made his mind up must at least be a possibility, surely?
Are you saying there's no chance whatsoever? At all?
Indeed.
I think the most likely scenario in all of this is "I would love to move to Manchester City and the ridiculous salary that they will throw at me but if they don't offer my current club the price that they want then there is a good chance that I will still be there next season. Do I want to burn my bridges?"
Why would you make an idiotic statement like Barry did two summers ago? Everything to lose, nothing to gain.
agreed, he was trying to keep his options open and then MON broke cover which has effectively removed the option of staying, its just about how much. Its the Barry saga all over again and i dont think our manager handed that one too well either
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 23, 2010, 11:52:38 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
My guess is milner wants to leave and we want to sell him. MON being the media obsessed control freak he is, wanted to shift the blame milner's way after they came to an agreement before the world cup to keep schtumm. Hence Milner being a bit narked
Greg making his usual sense. Where along the line do we think that Milner is 'narked'? I'm not sure there has been a comment from Milner on the issue in months. The manager wants to use the media to get the best deal for the club as he can. Where's the problem with that?
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
What I said was that the two scenarios are so black and white that Milner would not be sitting on the fence undecided. He would know in his own mind what he would want to do. If he had wanted to stay with Villa he would have made it very clear to the club that he wanted to stay and the club would have made a very public statement to that effect.
Again, whilst you might think that is the case, you don't know it is, so my suggestion that he hasn't made his mind up must at least be a possibility, surely?
Are you saying there's no chance whatsoever? At all?
Indeed.
I think the most likely scenario in all of this is "I would love to move to Manchester City and the ridiculous salary that they will throw at me but if they don't offer my current club the price that they want then there is a good chance that I will still be there next season. Do I want to burn my bridges?"
Why would you make an idiotic statement like Barry did two summers ago? Everything to lose, nothing to gain.
agreed, he was trying to keep his options open and then MON broke cover which has effectively removed the option of staying, its just about how much. Its the Barry saga all over again and i dont think our manager handed that one too well either
What exactly did he do wrong there?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 12:02:12 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "gregnash"
My guess is milner wants to leave and we want to sell him. MON being the media obsessed control freak he is, wanted to shift the blame milner's way after they came to an agreement before the world cup to keep schtumm. Hence Milner being a bit narked
Greg making his usual sense. Where along the line do we think that Milner is 'narked'? I'm not sure there has been a comment from Milner on the issue in months. The manager wants to use the media to get the best deal for the club as he can. Where's the problem with that?
erm, off the record remarks in most of the papers saying he never said he'd leave and tried to phone MON? MON's more worried about his own skin and how selling our best player will appear. MON has a long history of being obsessed with the opinion of the media {look at his comments made about the press during his time at celtic for proof, where even his supporters thought he was a bit paranoid}. Not to mention his habit of sueing anyone who gets it wrong. I'm not surprised he's trying to control the story but don't pretend its for the club as remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show.
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
What I said was that the two scenarios are so black and white that Milner would not be sitting on the fence undecided. He would know in his own mind what he would want to do. If he had wanted to stay with Villa he would have made it very clear to the club that he wanted to stay and the club would have made a very public statement to that effect.
Again, whilst you might think that is the case, you don't know it is, so my suggestion that he hasn't made his mind up must at least be a possibility, surely?
Are you saying there's no chance whatsoever? At all?
Indeed.
I think the most likely scenario in all of this is "I would love to move to Manchester City and the ridiculous salary that they will throw at me but if they don't offer my current club the price that they want then there is a good chance that I will still be there next season. Do I want to burn my bridges?"
Why would you make an idiotic statement like Barry did two summers ago? Everything to lose, nothing to gain.
agreed, he was trying to keep his options open and then MON broke cover which has effectively removed the option of staying, its just about how much. Its the Barry saga all over again and i dont think our manager handed that one too well either
What exactly did he do wrong there?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: J on July 24, 2010, 12:06:18 AM
Quote from: hawkeye
Quote from: Dave
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
Why would you make an idiotic statement like Barry did two summers ago? Everything to lose, nothing to gain.
agreed, he was trying to keep his options open and then MON broke cover which has effectively removed the option of staying, its just about how much. Its the Barry saga all over again and i dont think our manager handed that one too well either
What do you think MON could have done differently with the Barry saga? He showed that he is no pushover in the transfer market while getting an extra season out of Barry and then sold him for 12m when he only had one year left on his contract. As a bonus it looks it like fat arse is now in steady decline and will be fortunate to get a look in at Man City next season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2010, 12:08:26 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
erm, off the record remarks in most of the papers saying he never said he'd leave and tried to phone MON? MON's more worried about his own skin and how selling our best player will appear. MON has a long history of being obsessed with the opinion of the media {look at his comments made about the press during his time at celtic for proof, where even his supporters thought he was a bit paranoid}. Not to mention his habit of sueing anyone who gets it wrong. I'm not surprised he's trying to control the story but don't pretend its for the club as remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show
I've gone to the effort of sorting out your dodgy quotes and I'm not even sure where to start on a reply.
Off the record remarks? Like what? He wants to leave. I think we're all pretty accepting of that fact. What exactly do you want the manager to do about it?
His own skin? He's here for another year more whatever happens. How does this situation affect that?
Every footballer and manager is obsessed with the press and how they are portrayed. So what?
What exactly do "remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show"? Anything or is it just more silly gregnash-style nonsense?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 12:15:12 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "gregnash"
erm, off the record remarks in most of the papers saying he never said he'd leave and tried to phone MON? MON's more worried about his own skin and how selling our best player will appear. MON has a long history of being obsessed with the opinion of the media {look at his comments made about the press during his time at celtic for proof, where even his supporters thought he was a bit paranoid}. Not to mention his habit of sueing anyone who gets it wrong. I'm not surprised he's trying to control the story but don't pretend its for the club as remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show
I've gone to the effort of sorting out your dodgy quotes and I'm not even sure where to start on a reply.
Off the record remarks? Like what? He wants to leave. I think we're all pretty accepting of that fact. What exactly do you want the manager to do about it? The talks according to the club before the world cup were 'positive and productive' If he had said he was leaving then the least you can say was the club was telling porkies then
His own skin? He's here for another year more whatever happens. How does this situation affect that?
you reckon? i think not.
Every footballer and manager is obsessed with the press and how they are portrayed. So what?
What exactly do "remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show"? Anything or is it just more silly gregnash-style nonsense?
Not sure it you were here Dave but the source was V.good and it didn't give the opinion thats he's well thought of by those in control at the moment
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 24, 2010, 12:17:10 AM
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What I said was that the two scenarios are so black and white that Milner would not be sitting on the fence undecided. He would know in his own mind what he would want to do. If he had wanted to stay with Villa he would have made it very clear to the club that he wanted to stay and the club would have made a very public statement to that effect.
Again, whilst you might think that is the case, you don't know it is, so my suggestion that he hasn't made his mind up must at least be a possibility, surely?
Are you saying there's no chance whatsoever? At all? .
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I know I lived in Thailand for a good period of time but I did not become a budhist and thus I do not believe things are predetermined. I believe that he thinks Villa are not improving quickly enough to match his rush to be at a team challenging for the major honours (and consequently cannot match the wages at Man City).
You say that you don't believe things are predetermined but the rest of your post says, effectively, that Milner's decision is predetermined.
If things are not predetermined, how can you flatly refuse to accept that maybe he hasn't made his mind up?
It is a possibility, everything is a possibility. What I am saying is that it is unrealistic.
I am not saying his decision is predetermined. I believe that he has considered the options and feels we are not progressing quickly enough to match his developing career (in his mind) and he has made a decision. That is not predetermined by fate and therefore unalterable, he is in control of his own future.
I do not flatly refuse to accept he hasn't made up his mind. As I said above, I just do not see it as realistic.
My comments are what I truly believe and my opinion. I do not play devil's advocate, like some on here.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 24, 2010, 12:17:31 AM
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Quote from: "Dave"
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Why would you make an idiotic statement like Barry did two summers ago? Everything to lose, nothing to gain.
agreed, he was trying to keep his options open and then MON broke cover which has effectively removed the option of staying, its just about how much. Its the Barry saga all over again and i dont think our manager handed that one too well either
What do you think MON could have done differently with the Barry saga? He showed that he is no pushover in the transfer market while getting an extra season out of Barry and then sold him for 12m when he only had one year left on his contract. As a bonus it looks it like fat arse is now in steady decline and will be fortunate to get a look in at Man City next season.
if you go back to MON comments when the storey broke and before quotes from the Barry camp he left the door open for the Barry saga to dominate the transfer window, what he should have done is said to Barry and Lpool this is our valuation meet in in 7 days or fuck off, he didnt he let the situation get out of control and was playing the media rather than doing his job which was to get a squad capable of a top 4 place, we got a half arsed season out of Barry, came 6th, didnt strengthen where we needed to and again the opportunity was lost before we kicked a ball
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2010, 12:22:33 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Dave"
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erm, off the record remarks in most of the papers saying he never said he'd leave and tried to phone MON? MON's more worried about his own skin and how selling our best player will appear. MON has a long history of being obsessed with the opinion of the media {look at his comments made about the press during his time at celtic for proof, where even his supporters thought he was a bit paranoid}. Not to mention his habit of sueing anyone who gets it wrong. I'm not surprised he's trying to control the story but don't pretend its for the club as remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show
I've gone to the effort of sorting out your dodgy quotes and I'm not even sure where to start on a reply.
Off the record remarks? Like what? He wants to leave. I think we're all pretty accepting of that fact. What exactly do you want the manager to do about it? The talks according to the club before the world cup were 'positive and productive' If he had said he was leaving then the least you can say was the club was telling porkies then
His own skin? He's here for another year more whatever happens. How does this situation affect that?
you reckon? i think not.
Every footballer and manager is obsessed with the press and how they are portrayed. So what?
What exactly do "remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show"? Anything or is it just more silly gregnash-style nonsense?
Not sure it you were here Dave but the source was V.good and it didn't give the opinion thats he's well thought of by those in control at the moment
I'm really not sure if you're trying to confuse things with your arguments or your dodgy quoting. But let's try again...
The first point (at least I think it's a point), surely things can change? Maybe in the month that the World Cup was on his potential salary changed from £40k to £120k? Would that not change things a bit? Maybe he was happy before the World Cup and he wasn't after the World Cup? Maybe Barry told him that as soon as you joined Manchester City you get given a gold-plated prostitute and get a street in Harrogate named after you? Do any of us know or are you sticking to you normal conjecture?
Point two: Do you think that O'Neill turning Milner from a £12m player to a £25m player inside two years is a black mark against his name whether he stays or goes? If you do, I'd be fascinated to hear your logic.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 24, 2010, 12:24:22 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Point two: Do you think that O'Neill turning Milner from a £12m player to a £25m player inside two years is a black mark against his name whether he stays or goes? If you do, I'd be fascinated to hear your logic.
I think the Manchester City board had most to do with it, but it's a good point.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 12:34:09 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
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erm, off the record remarks in most of the papers saying he never said he'd leave and tried to phone MON? MON's more worried about his own skin and how selling our best player will appear. MON has a long history of being obsessed with the opinion of the media {look at his comments made about the press during his time at celtic for proof, where even his supporters thought he was a bit paranoid}. Not to mention his habit of sueing anyone who gets it wrong. I'm not surprised he's trying to control the story but don't pretend its for the club as remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show
I've gone to the effort of sorting out your dodgy quotes and I'm not even sure where to start on a reply.
Off the record remarks? Like what? He wants to leave. I think we're all pretty accepting of that fact. What exactly do you want the manager to do about it? The talks according to the club before the world cup were 'positive and productive' If he had said he was leaving then the least you can say was the club was telling porkies then
His own skin? He's here for another year more whatever happens. How does this situation affect that?
you reckon? i think not.
Every footballer and manager is obsessed with the press and how they are portrayed. So what?
What exactly do "remarks made on here last night by people close to the club show"? Anything or is it just more silly gregnash-style nonsense?
Not sure it you were here Dave but the source was V.good and it didn't give the opinion thats he's well thought of by those in control at the moment
I'm really not sure if you're trying to confuse things with your arguments or your dodgy quoting. But let's try again...
The first point (at least I think it's a point), surely things can change? Maybe in the month that the World Cup was on his potential salary changed from £40k to £120k? Would that not change things a bit? Maybe he was happy before the World Cup and he wasn't after the World Cup? Maybe Barry told him that as soon as you joined Manchester City you get given a gold-plated prostitute and get a street in Harrogate named after you? Do any of us know or are you sticking to you normal conjecture?
you've just come out with a shedload of conjecture and your accusing me of conjecture? he talked to the club before the world cup, they said it was positive and productive. nowt has happened since. As i said he may well have said he wanted to leave but they obviously kept to an agreement to keep quiet which we broke. i'm not on milners side here but i'm not surprised he'd be a bit pissed frankly if his manager chose to break it.P
Point two: Do you think that O'Neill turning Milner from a £12m player to a £25m player inside two years is a black mark against his name whether he stays or goes? If you do, I'd be fascinated to hear your logic.
i really don't know where i've said MON shouldn't get the credit or is that your point. I'm lost frankly. i i would say that selling players for a profit is all very well but it has a limited effect on the team's progress if you flog them halfway through their first contract
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 24, 2010, 12:44:49 AM
I am sorry but I am having difficulty in understanding people siding with Milner in this matter. If he wanted to leave, fair enough (I don't hold that against him as long as we get a good fee for him) but if he wanted to stay he should have made it very clear to the club that was the case. Similarly, if he wanted time to make up his mind he should also have made this clear to the club and given a reasonable deadline so that the club could move on, one way or the other during preseason.
Reading between the lines and this is only my opinion, Milner has said that he wants to leave but Man City are messing around and leaving Milner in the open. MON, quite rightly for the club is trying to force the issue.
The club is bigger than the player and as Villa supporters we should support the clubs stand, particularly as it appears that the player does not want to play for the club again.
Reading some comments on here just smacks of another stick to beat the manager with.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 24, 2010, 12:45:05 AM
Seriously, three times I've asked. Sort your damn quotes out. I've had to get notepad out to keep track of what your saying. It's not hard.
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you've just come out with a shedload of conjecture and your accusing me of conjecture? he talked to the club before the world cup, they said it was positive and productive. nowt has happened since. As i said he may well have said he wanted to leave but they obviously kept to an agreement to keep quiet which we broke. i'm not on milners side here but i'm not surprised he'd be a bit pissed frankly if his manager chose to break it.
Yes I accuse you of conjecture. Mine was hypothetical to point out how ridiculous your standpoint was. I have absolutely no idea what has happened behind the scenes. I do know that Milner wants to leave the club. I don't know all the reasons behind that. I'm quite happy to admit that. You seem pretty confident that all the blame should be laid at the door of the manager. Your crusade may be correct. It may not be. But at least I have the awareness to say that I've not got a clue on the matter. If you want to fill the rest of us in on the special information that you have that helps sway me one way or the other then feel free to divulge it.
Quote from: "gregnash"
i really don't know where i've said MON shouldn't get the credit or is that your point. I'm lost frankly. i i would say that selling players for a profit is all very well but it has a limited effect on the team's progress if you flog them halfway through their first contract
I agree. But it's not a situation that you, I, or O'Neill has a great deal of control over. Do you want him to fund the extra £80k or so that he could be earning per week out of his own pocket? Offer Geraldine as James' personal concubine? Immolate himself on the Holte Steps?
What would you do in his situation to convince him that he shouldn't turn down a massive payrise and the prospect of winning more trophies?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 12:52:36 AM
Look Dave. the points as i understand it. And i'm not laying the blame at MON's door apart from the way he's handled it
We had talks before the world cup. The club said they were postive and productive MON has now said Milner asked to leave during those talks Milner apparently disagrees.
Now whether you take MON's or Milners word., its pretty obvious someone at the club was telling porkies whether it was the club and milner originally or MON now. Its not hard really.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 24, 2010, 01:06:04 AM
It is possible to have a conversation with both parties sincerely believing entirely different things have been said. Milner could have wanted to keep his options open, Martin could have interpreted his words as wanting to leave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 01:15:55 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It is possible to have a conversation with both parties sincerely believing entirely different things have been said. Milner could have wanted to keep his options open, Martin could have interpreted his words as wanting to leave.
then why the statement from the club? I can't imagine how 'positive and productive' can be interpreted as Milner asking to leave. my own view is milner probably did ask to leave or was at least very noncommital, but they chose to sit on it for financial [season tickets etc..] and other reasons. I just think MON broke the details of the meeting to cover his own back. may be wrong but there you go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 24, 2010, 01:20:41 AM
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It is possible to have a conversation with both parties sincerely believing entirely different things have been said. Milner could have wanted to keep his options open, Martin could have interpreted his words as wanting to leave.
Downing said this week
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Speaking to The Sun, Downing, said: "The money they are talking about is a substantial amount for one player.
"If we can replace him with a player of his ability then it's good business.
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"They're all going to be fighting for places. It's going to be hard and it will be hard for James if he goes there.
"Will he play? I can't think how many midfielders they've got. I think that will be one of the decisions (that he has to consider): 'Do I want to go there and be a bit-part or stay here and play?'
"That's totally up to him. I am sure he's probably already made his decision."
clear before MON said anything he expects Milner to be in no doubt what he wants
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 24, 2010, 01:36:04 AM
None of us know what was said for sure - I'm pointing out that they could both be right rather than one being a paragon of virture and the other a lying bastard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 24, 2010, 01:51:58 AM
Milner has already decided that the 90k a week he will get will justify playing a smaller role than at Villa. So grab the 24m on offer. Cause if he stays for another season without a new contact we will bearly get our money back for him ........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mazrimsbruv on July 24, 2010, 02:08:11 AM
We should hold out for what we want.
Otherwise, stick the ****** in the reserves and let him rot for two years.
Why not? Cos no player will sign for us? Fuck 'em. Our kids beat Turin's finest last pre-season and didn't get a look-in all last season.
Bring the kids through and mix them up with some young, hungry, skilful foreigners. English players make me sick.
Overpriced when you buy them; so utterly stupid their agents run rings round them; put 'em in an England shirt, they play like girls.
And before you all say it, I know that sticking him in the reserves is daft when we could cash-in, and the media will slate us, but they hate us anyway and somone has to take a stand. As Roy Keane rightly says: players "get away with murder".
When it suits them they want a four-year contract but reserve the right to fuck their employer over at any point in the meantime.
Why not be the first club to truly stand up to these egotistical wankers? We might not qualify for the coveted Europa League, like the mighty Man City, Fulham or Liverpool, but we might have a team we can be proud of.
And who knows?
One day, Hanson might actually be talking about us when he says "you'll win nothing with kids"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 24, 2010, 07:12:45 AM
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
We should hold out for what we want.
Otherwise, stick the ****** in the reserves and let him rot for two years.
Why not? Cos no player will sign for us? Fuck 'em. Our kids beat Turin's finest last pre-season and didn't get a look-in all last season.
Bring the kids through and mix them up with some young, hungry, skilful foreigners. English players make me sick.
Overpriced when you buy them; so utterly stupid their agents run rings round them; put 'em in an England shirt, they play like girls.
And before you all say it, I know that sticking him in the reserves is daft when we could cash-in, and the media will slate us, but they hate us anyway and somone has to take a stand. As Roy Keane rightly says: players "get away with murder".
When it suits them they want a four-year contract but reserve the right to fuck their employer over at any point in the meantime.
Why not be the first club to truly stand up to these egotistical wankers? We might not qualify for the coveted Europa League, like the mighty Man City, Fulham or Liverpool, but we might have a team we can be proud of.
And who knows?
One day, Hanson might actually be talking about us when he says "you'll win nothing with kids"
No point making him rot in the reserves- that would only hurt Aston villa! £24m is far more than he is worth- take the cash and move on, we don't want to be left with an unhappy player, and the money would allow us to bring in maybe 3 quality players, sticking him in the reserves would be a ridiculous option and only help our rivals.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 24, 2010, 07:45:52 AM
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
We should hold out for what we want.
Otherwise, stick the c*** in the reserves and let him rot for two years.
Why not? Cos no player will sign for us? Fuck 'em. Our kids beat Turin's finest last pre-season and didn't get a look-in all last season.
Bring the kids through and mix them up with some young, hungry, skilful foreigners. English players make me sick.
Overpriced when you buy them; so utterly stupid their agents run rings round them; put 'em in an England shirt, they play like girls.
And before you all say it, I know that sticking him in the reserves is daft when we could cash-in, and the media will slate us, but they hate us anyway and somone has to take a stand. As Roy Keane rightly says: players "get away with murder".
When it suits them they want a four-year contract but reserve the right to fuck their employer over at any point in the meantime.
Why not be the first club to truly stand up to these egotistical wankers? We might not qualify for the coveted Europa League, like the mighty Man City, Fulham or Liverpool, but we might have a team we can be proud of.
And who knows?
One day, Hanson might actually be talking about us when he says "you'll win nothing with kids"
I agree with everything you say here, I would do exactly the same. The way the game has gone has completely killed the passion I once had and that fucks me off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Daholteend on July 24, 2010, 08:02:36 AM
These Milner threads are already getting past being silly. Just to spice it up and stir the pot a little ask yourselves......
"Given this situation, what would HDE have done? "
I think that he would probably have already sold Jim lad before the World Cup for 25 mil and told whoever the manager would have been, " Here's 5M to go out and get a striker, a right back and a midfielder and btw why not try young Albrighton and Bannan, we will probably survive relegation with what we have got and I can buy a new yacht to go fishing in the Med. I've still got James Beattie's phone number , he's not a boy anymore you know. I invented corner shop marketing strategies you know "
Pathetic joking aside, one would like to hope that the triumvirate of MON, RL and Faulkner could close this saga, sell Jimmy for 18M plus Ireland, sign up Mcgeady for 8M and pocket the 10M as a warchest to sign the likes of Ashley Young to a new 4 year contract.
Armchair management....it's so easy ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: davevillan on July 24, 2010, 08:15:59 AM
Tbh, i think his head has probably been turned by the money on offer. It does make me laugh when people in the media go on about City having the ambition etc etc, they have more money then everyone, thats all. We want to be challenging for trophies, CL as well, but in todays football, we dont have the finances to pay for the top players, so if we can sell people like Milner for over the odds, and then use it to strenghten the team and become a better team, then its a good deal for us, and will help us become a stronger club. Pompey and Leeds showed more 'ambition' then us, and where did it get them? Lets move him on, get the money in, and get stronger!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 24, 2010, 08:28:15 AM
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
We should hold out for what we want.
Otherwise, stick the c*** in the reserves and let him rot for two years.
Why not? Cos no player will sign for us? Fuck 'em. Our kids beat Turin's finest last pre-season and didn't get a look-in all last season.
Bring the kids through and mix them up with some young, hungry, skilful foreigners. English players make me sick.
Overpriced when you buy them; so utterly stupid their agents run rings round them; put 'em in an England shirt, they play like girls.
And before you all say it, I know that sticking him in the reserves is daft when we could cash-in, and the media will slate us, but they hate us anyway and somone has to take a stand. As Roy Keane rightly says: players "get away with murder".
When it suits them they want a four-year contract but reserve the right to fuck their employer over at any point in the meantime.
Why not be the first club to truly stand up to these egotistical wankers? We might not qualify for the coveted Europa League, like the mighty Man City, Fulham or Liverpool, but we might have a team we can be proud of.
And who knows?
One day, Hanson might actually be talking about us when he says "you'll win nothing with kids"
This is the future.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 09:00:23 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
It is possible to have a conversation with both parties sincerely believing entirely different things have been said.
Anyone who has ever been married can vouch for that.
My view is he wants to go but is worried that Man City might not meet the price so doesn't want it made public in case he is forced to stay.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on July 24, 2010, 09:03:30 AM
For me at this moment in time players that are moving to Man C are doing it purely for cash. I dont begrudge them this but they have to accept the grief that goes with it. There really is no rush as it looks certain we have got Keane and Mcgeady in the bag. We hold the ace, Man C and Milner have to pay up or they dont get him and Milner is fucked for 2 years.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 24, 2010, 09:05:27 AM
Totally agree. If man city withdraw and he is left at Villa he would be worried about the fans reaction. So wanted to be seen as the victim of circumstances rather than the purpetrator ..........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2010, 09:10:01 AM
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
We should hold out for what we want.
Otherwise, stick the c*** in the reserves and let him rot for two years.
Nice thought, but the way football has gone we'd probably get taken to the European Court of Human Rights, docked about 400 points and end up having to pay Milner about £50m for putting him through the trauma of playing at Bescot every other week.
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
For me at this moment in time players that are moving to Man C are doing it purely for cash.
Yaya Toure is rumoured to be on £220,000 a week. His brother, the poor bastard, is only on £150,000.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holte L2 on July 24, 2010, 09:30:19 AM
I think we should test Citeh's resolve by requesting Robinho in part exchange.
It will either A - see them quicky dissapear.
Or B - turn into such a complicated transfer, it will quickly breakdown.
Of course, Robbie's wages could be a massive issue but maybe the lure of challenging for honours may attract him to the Midlands ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 24, 2010, 09:48:44 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Look Dave. the points as i understand it. And i'm not laying the blame at MON's door apart from the way he's handled it
We had talks before the world cup. The club said they were postive and productive MON has now said Milner asked to leave during those talks Milner apparently disagrees.
Now whether you take MON's or Milners word., its pretty obvious someone at the club was telling porkies whether it was the club and milner originally or MON now. Its not hard really.
truly said gregnash and no quoting problems to be over critical of either. It won't make any difference mind, if people don't want to see they won't. Miilner would be an idiot not to want to improve his lot just as Barry, but its beyond belief that all the past years of his PR wherein he has always been shown as a nice,responsible, reliable guy has to be lost overnight to satosfy the need of some to turn this into a 'want away from Villa' witch hunt by fans. Idiotic claptrap. The guys had 1 good season in a mediocre side full of nearly made its,if selling him helps finance Mon's latest last minute bench warmers accept it, why the need to slag the guy off. I don't remember anyone becrying Delphs move to us or Collins.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on July 24, 2010, 09:51:18 AM
Milner should look at Barry, thought he was better than he is and will struggle top find a decent club when disposed of.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: smudger on July 24, 2010, 09:55:21 AM
I read or heard somewhere before the world cup that the club claimed that Milner had asked to go. Yet it all seems to have flared up this week. Strange. Can't see the club making that up to be honest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on July 24, 2010, 10:03:18 AM
Quote from: "smudger"
I read or heard somewhere before the world cup that the club claimed that Milner had asked to go. Yet it all seems to have flared up this week. Strange. Can't see the club making that up to be honest.
Perhaps the club had hoped that a decent WC would have resulted in an auction for Milner and would drive the price up to an even more ridiculous level? As it is, it seems that only City rate him at anywhere near the price we do. Plus he's due back in training on Monday and if he has had his head turned, the last thing we want is him poisoning the rest of the squad so MON has forced the issue.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 24, 2010, 10:28:22 AM
Does anyone think Villa will win more pots than Man City over the next five or ten years?
If so please sign your name here for future reference.
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Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 24, 2010, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
Does anyone think Villa will win more pots than Man City over the next five or ten years?
If so please sign your name here for future reference.
Whatever they win this season, the next or in future years, it doesn't mean a thing. Just like the fact that everyone's already forgotten last season's Premier League title race.
No building from scratch, no toil or effort, no heartbreak, no roller coaster journey to the top.
Just put the money on the table and take the trophies.
That's not football.
.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 24, 2010, 10:47:56 AM
To be fair to man city fans they've suffered more than many in the heart ache department.
It's not the easy option being blue up there, so much as I enviously loathe their present status (to be shortlived one hopes) I can't help but feel like some of those lads deserve a bit of glory, albeit bought off the shelf, but glory all the same. No-one can take back the crowns of champs and Blackburn and Chelsea fans sadly have memories that many of our younger fans look unlikely to enjoy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2010, 10:59:18 AM
Tony Morley , you are a legend mate..
Just listening to him on the RAdio..
No offence to Milner, he is not a Gordon cowans or a Dennis Mortimer...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 24, 2010, 11:01:31 AM
What did he have to say?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2010, 11:06:26 AM
He was really disapointed with Milner. Said his head has been turned for money and was pissed off he had only giving us 18 mths, he said I dont blame Barry he gave us 10 years service but milner is still young, should have stayed until he was 26 and seen how his carreer with Villa was going.
but If Man Shitty ( he didnt say Shitty) want to give us that kind of money, take it , cause he aint that good....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 11:46:37 AM
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
To be fair to man city fans they've suffered more than many in the heart ache department.
It's not the easy option being blue up there, so much as I enviously loathe their present status (to be shortlived one hopes) I can't help but feel like some of those lads deserve a bit of glory, albeit bought off the shelf, but glory all the same. No-one can take back the crowns of champs and Blackburn and Chelsea fans sadly have memories that many of our younger fans look unlikely to enjoy.
Except that those very same lads you think deserving it would have been slagging off Chelsea for doing the very same thing a few years back. They might win the league in the next few years but there isn't one person who will be able to say with any sincerity that they've earned it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 24, 2010, 11:50:11 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
To be fair to man city fans they've suffered more than many in the heart ache department.
It's not the easy option being blue up there, so much as I enviously loathe their present status (to be shortlived one hopes) I can't help but feel like some of those lads deserve a bit of glory, albeit bought off the shelf, but glory all the same. No-one can take back the crowns of champs and Blackburn and Chelsea fans sadly have memories that many of our younger fans look unlikely to enjoy.
Except that those very same lads you think deserving it would have been slagging off Chelsea for doing the very same thing a few years back. They might win the league in the next few years but there isn't one person who will be able to say with any sincerity that they've earned it.
In similar circumstances - we wouldn't be any different.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 11:54:29 AM
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
To be fair to man city fans they've suffered more than many in the heart ache department.
It's not the easy option being blue up there, so much as I enviously loathe their present status (to be shortlived one hopes) I can't help but feel like some of those lads deserve a bit of glory, albeit bought off the shelf, but glory all the same. No-one can take back the crowns of champs and Blackburn and Chelsea fans sadly have memories that many of our younger fans look unlikely to enjoy.
Except that those very same lads you think deserving it would have been slagging off Chelsea for doing the very same thing a few years back. They might win the league in the next few years but there isn't one person who will be able to say with any sincerity that they've earned it.
In similar circumstances - we wouldn't be any different.
Perhaps not, you probably lose a bit of perspective when you're right in the middle of it. There have always been rich men trying to buy their way to the top in football but what is happening at Man City is beyond anything we've seen before and so consequently do not share your view that they deserve it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 24, 2010, 11:56:03 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
To be fair to man city fans they've suffered more than many in the heart ache department.
It's not the easy option being blue up there, so much as I enviously loathe their present status (to be shortlived one hopes) I can't help but feel like some of those lads deserve a bit of glory, albeit bought off the shelf, but glory all the same. No-one can take back the crowns of champs and Blackburn and Chelsea fans sadly have memories that many of our younger fans look unlikely to enjoy.
Except that those very same lads you think deserving it would have been slagging off Chelsea for doing the very same thing a few years back. They might win the league in the next few years but there isn't one person who will be able to say with any sincerity that they've earned it.
In similar circumstances - we wouldn't be any different.
Perhaps not, you probably lose a bit of perspective when you're right in the middle of it. There have always been rich men trying to buy their way to the top in football but what is happening at Man City is beyond anything we've seen before and so consequently do not share your view that they deserve it.
You are correct that they do not deserve it Chris. However, if was me supporting man City, I'd be laughing my bollocks off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: spangley1812 on July 24, 2010, 11:57:06 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Lucky Eddie"
To be fair to man city fans they've suffered more than many in the heart ache department.
It's not the easy option being blue up there, so much as I enviously loathe their present status (to be shortlived one hopes) I can't help but feel like some of those lads deserve a bit of glory, albeit bought off the shelf, but glory all the same. No-one can take back the crowns of champs and Blackburn and Chelsea fans sadly have memories that many of our younger fans look unlikely to enjoy.
Except that those very same lads you think deserving it would have been slagging off Chelsea for doing the very same thing a few years back. They might win the league in the next few years but there isn't one person who will be able to say with any sincerity that they've earned it.
Surely you earn the league title by your performances over the 38 game season.....how you build your team is another issue
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 24, 2010, 11:58:10 AM
I always quite liked Man City when I worked in Manchester, as their fans always had that slightly downtrodden air of a big club not doing very well. Now though, the whole club is a disgrace to sport. They deserve nothing whatsoever.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 24, 2010, 11:58:13 AM
Quote from: "ROBBO"
Milner should look at Barry, thought he was better than he is and will struggle top find a decent club when disposed of.
True, since he moved he's been a first pick for England, has played with some really decent players and is still in the mix today.
Seems a good model to follow I agree. I'm sure when he does leave there will be plenty of teams keen to take on an experienced ex England midfield player. If Mon was willing to pay so much in fees and wages for Heskey why should Barry be concerned ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "ROBBO"
Milner should look at Barry, thought he was better than he is and will struggle top find a decent club when disposed of.
True, since he moved he's been a first pick for England, has played with some really decent players and is still in the mix today.
Seems a good model to follow I agree. I'm sure when he does leave there will be plenty of teams keen to take on an experienced ex England midfield player. If Mon was willing to pay so much in fees and wages for Heskey why should Barry be concerned ?
After the World Cup saying that he's been first pick for England is surely an insult. If he leaves there will be few teams able to match the silly money that he's getting up there, twice what we're allegedly paying Heskey, and if he stays he's not going to play as often as he'd like.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on July 24, 2010, 12:31:04 PM
I think the club have made themselves look pretty silly in all of this, how the hell can they announce before the World Cup, that 'talks went well' to now 'James wants to leave Villa' ?
Of course, Milner could have asked for time to think things over and decided whilst on holiday that he wants out, but again the club should have been more accurate in their reporting if that is the case or simply said nothing.
I don't want Milner to leave, but in the same respect I don't want us to be bullied by Man Ci£y either. If it wasn't such a bloody ludicrous amount of money I'd love for us to let him rot in the reserves. That just isn't financially a sound decision of course.
I don't trust Martin O'Neill with whatever money he's given, if we can shift Heskey, Sidwell, Shorey and of course Milner that would save us around 110k a week in wages I reckon, the same as what we could offer to Richards, Ireland and Santa Cruz.
By doing that we'd not have the hassle of other clubs trying to rip us off knowing we have £X amount in the bank.
That would allow us to then also get McGeady and Keane for not so much of an outlay in terms of net spend or salary.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2010, 12:43:32 PM
I am very suprised villa and MON did not know Milner wanted to go after the season finished as soon as Shiity came in...
I know for a fact , people at Villa knew Milner wanted to go.... and those people know MON very very well...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on July 24, 2010, 12:45:55 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
I am very suprised villa and MON did not know Milner wanted to go after the season finished as soon as Shiity came in...
I know for a fact , people at Villa knew Milner wanted to go.... and those people know MON very very well...
Exactly, so why the 'promising talks' bollocks spouted from the club?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2010, 12:49:49 PM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
I am very suprised villa and MON did not know Milner wanted to go after the season finished as soon as Shiity came in...
I know for a fact , people at Villa knew Milner wanted to go.... and those people know MON very very well...
Exactly, so why the 'promising talks' bollocks spouted from the club?
Im amazed at this.... You could say Milner lied through his teeth when speaking to MON but I dont think he did . He probably didnt even speak to him, Milner probably went to Marbella to his Villa and told MON we will talk when I get back..
People at Villa knew Milner was interested in going shitty..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 12:52:26 PM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
I am very suprised villa and MON did not know Milner wanted to go after the season finished as soon as Shiity came in...
I know for a fact , people at Villa knew Milner wanted to go.... and those people know MON very very well...
Exactly, so why the 'promising talks' bollocks spouted from the club?
Presumably they agreed to leave it until after the World Cup, so as not to disrupt preparations.
At least 2 reports yesterday said that his agent told Paul Faulkner that he wanted to go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 01:01:16 PM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
I think the club have made themselves look pretty silly in all of this, how the hell can they announce before the World Cup, that 'talks went well' to now 'James wants to leave Villa' ?
Of course, Milner could have asked for time to think things over and decided whilst on holiday that he wants out, but again the club should have been more accurate in their reporting if that is the case or simply said nothing.
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yep. Should have kept quiet if he wanted to leave. Now we're in a situation where Citeh can string us out for as long as possible and dick around with the fee. MON has well and truly burnt his bridges with Milner with those statements to the press so he's gonna go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 01:15:29 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
I think the club have made themselves look pretty silly in all of this, how the hell can they announce before the World Cup, that 'talks went well' to now 'James wants to leave Villa' ?
Of course, Milner could have asked for time to think things over and decided whilst on holiday that he wants out, but again the club should have been more accurate in their reporting if that is the case or simply said nothing.
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yep. Should have kept quiet if he wanted to leave. Now we're in a situation where Citeh can string us out for as long as possible and dick around with the fee. MON has well and truly burnt his bridges with Milner with those statements to the press so he's gonna go.
Nonsense, Mancini said the day before O'Neill raised it that they were prepared to wait until the end of the window for Milner so nothing has changed there. What MON has dome is try to call their bluff.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 24, 2010, 01:28:11 PM
No what MON has said is take your time and think about it, let me know when your ready.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on July 24, 2010, 01:32:00 PM
All this conjecture about wether Milner wants to go. Its really very simple. Put a fukin transfer request in rather than piss about worried about how the Villa fans will react. Might have something to do with the big fat signing on fee Milner and his agent are trying to trouser.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 01:38:32 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
I think the club have made themselves look pretty silly in all of this, how the hell can they announce before the World Cup, that 'talks went well' to now 'James wants to leave Villa' ?
Of course, Milner could have asked for time to think things over and decided whilst on holiday that he wants out, but again the club should have been more accurate in their reporting if that is the case or simply said nothing.
.
yep. Should have kept quiet if he wanted to leave. Now we're in a situation where Citeh can string us out for as long as possible and dick around with the fee. MON has well and truly burnt his bridges with Milner with those statements to the press so he's gonna go.
Nonsense, Mancini said the day before O'Neill raised it that they were prepared to wait until the end of the window for Milner so nothing has changed there. What MON has dome is try to call their bluff.
Call their bluff? the whole world knew they'd bid for him. After calling each other liars for the last day, there's no way Milner can stay so we have to sell, and unless someone else bids we have to sell to Citeh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 24, 2010, 01:44:31 PM
The longer Villa hold out, the more likely that a transfer request will be handed in.
What's that worth to the Villa?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 01:45:12 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
I think the club have made themselves look pretty silly in all of this, how the hell can they announce before the World Cup, that 'talks went well' to now 'James wants to leave Villa' ?
Of course, Milner could have asked for time to think things over and decided whilst on holiday that he wants out, but again the club should have been more accurate in their reporting if that is the case or simply said nothing.
.
yep. Should have kept quiet if he wanted to leave. Now we're in a situation where Citeh can string us out for as long as possible and dick around with the fee. MON has well and truly burnt his bridges with Milner with those statements to the press so he's gonna go.
Nonsense, Mancini said the day before O'Neill raised it that they were prepared to wait until the end of the window for Milner so nothing has changed there. What MON has dome is try to call their bluff.
Call their bluff? the whole world knew they'd bid for him. After calling each other liars for the last day, there's no way Milner can stay so we have to sell, and unless someone else bids we have to sell to Citeh.
He doesn't want to be here, hasn't that sunk in yet? he's going to go it's just up to when Man City make the right offer. They were more than happy to leave it until the last day of August which is clearly no use to us.
You sem to want us just to roll over like poodles and do what suits James Milner and Man City instead of trying to force the issue.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 24, 2010, 01:47:14 PM
From the Express and Star.
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James Milner set for showdown with Villa boss O’Neill
Saturday 24th July 2010, 12:44PM BST.
James Milner was today set for showdown talks with Villa boss Martin O’Neill over his transfer row.
The 24-year-old reports back for training on Monday after his post-World Cup break, but is said to be furious O’Neill went public over his desire to quit for Manchester City.
Milner disputes O’Neill’s version of events from the meeting held before the World Cup – where the Villa chief says the midfielder confirmed he wanted to quit.
He will seek talks with O’Neill on Monday after reportedly failing to speak to his boss since the manager’s revelation on Thursday. A new £24m bid from City is imminent after Eastlands boss Roberto Mancini reaffirmed his determination to sign him.
“Milner is a good player,” said the Italian, who had a £20m bid rejected in May. “Today he is an Aston Villa player but if we had the chance to sign him I think we should.”
But Milner is likely to be spared any fans’ backlash at Walsall on Tuesday. He hasn’t trained since the World Cup and O’Neill seems set to leave him out of the squad. Villa fans are angry the England ace wants to quit and were primed to vent their feelings.
The pre-season fixture at the Banks’s Stadium brings back memories of when Gareth Barry was abused by fans on his return to action after revealing his desire to move to Liverpool in 2008.
Villa’s transfer budget hinges on whether Milner leaves and chairman Randy Lerner’s right-hand man has told fans the club must pay its way in the harsh economic climate.
General Charles Krulak says Villa must sell high-earning players who are not being used.
He said: “‘Sell to buy’ is too easy a sentence to say. In reality, it encompasses many things. At the end of the day, football is a business and needs to make sense.
“The first issue on the revenue v. expenditure scale is wages – wages for the staff and wages for the players. Simply put, if we don’t look at those players who are drawing wages but not playing, we are making a mistake.”
Ashley Young was today reported to be a target for Tottenham.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveD on July 24, 2010, 01:47:23 PM
Day after day, it's carefully constructed, if unsubtle, tapping up by Citeh, egged on by Milner's agent. Mancini and members of his squad haven't stopped trying to get him on board via the media. Milner trying to fake offence at O'Neill takes the biscuit - he's been advised to keep quiet, protect his signing on fee and if he had any designs on stay at Villa he's had ample opportunity to commit the club. If O'Neill is involved in some skullduggery, good, about time we stopped being so lame. My only concern now is how much we get, and more importantly, how it's spent.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 01:48:49 PM
how the hell is weakening your own position going to make them buy him earlier or pay more? Its in their court now, they know we have to sell, they know he wants to go. Game, set, match
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 24, 2010, 01:49:20 PM
Quote from: "SteveD"
Day after day, it's carefully constructed, if unsubtle, tapping up by Citeh, egged on by Milner's agent. Mancini and members of his squad haven't stopped trying to get him on board via the media. Milner trying to fake offence at O'Neill takes the biscuit - he's been advised to keep quiet, protect his signing on fee and if he had any designs on stay at Villa he's had ample opportunity to commit the club. If O'Neill is involved in some skullduggery, good, about time we stopped being so lame. My only concern now is how much we get, and more importantly, how it's spent.
I agree, and the timing is equally important.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 24, 2010, 01:53:10 PM
I think we've decided we can spend the Milner money on better replacements, and as he wants gone we've called City's bluff and called out anyone else who's sniffing. I'd bet we'd take closer to £20m off other suitors.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on July 24, 2010, 01:53:42 PM
If he doesnt hand in a tranfer request i take it Villa pay his signing on fee? Surely that and agent fees have to be £3m ie 10%.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 01:54:04 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
how the hell is weakening your own position going to make them buy him earlier or pay more? Its in their court now, they know we have to sell, they know he wants to go. Game, set, match
They've always known he wants to go. It's the same as the Barry saga, everyone knew he wanted to go, everyone knew Liverpool wanted him yet he didn't move. They bid the right amount or they don't get the player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 24, 2010, 02:00:32 PM
Quote from: "SteveD"
If O'Neill is involved in some skullduggery, good, about time we stopped being so lame. My only concern now is how much we get, and more importantly, how it's spent.
Involved in skullduggery ?
What a laugh all he's done is tell the opposition, all the opposition that we need to sell to buy.
No wonder the rumours about other clubs thinking of putting in bids are surfacing.
I wouldn't mind but I don't think its true financially.
Too many are assuming there is no money to spend because RL hasn't got it, and that's not what General K said
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 02:02:15 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
how the hell is weakening your own position going to make them buy him earlier or pay more? Its in their court now, they know we have to sell, they know he wants to go. Game, set, match
They've always known he wants to go. It's the same as the Barry saga, everyone knew he wanted to go, everyone knew Liverpool wanted him yet he didn't move. They bid the right amount or they don't get the player.
oh yeah thats gonna work ain't it. milner in the reserves for a year may be a nice thought for some but its really cutting off our nose to spite our face. this is a guy who drops you like a hot cake if your agent mentions you are due a new contract or if you profess to want to play in your proper position. How he's reacted to milner claiming he's telling stories can only be imagined. Citeh aren't exactly short for midfield players or the money to buy them. If we price him out the market i'm guessing they'll say meh and walk away.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 24, 2010, 02:04:19 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
After the World Cup saying that he's been first pick for England is surely an insult. If he leaves there will be few teams able to match the silly money that he's getting up there, twice what we're allegedly paying Heskey, and if he stays he's not going to play as often as he'd like.
How pathetic. Of all the players there he did as well as most and better than many and this after returning from an injury without being match fit, pathetic, whingeing.
As he's always been a clever lad, i'm sure he would accept lower wages to maintain his football presence elsewhere, he's not as daft as many of his detractors.
Is that some sort of attempt to justify the wage we are paying Heskey by the way. Tell the General if it is, see if he agrees.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 02:06:17 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
how the hell is weakening your own position going to make them buy him earlier or pay more? Its in their court now, they know we have to sell, they know he wants to go. Game, set, match
They've always known he wants to go. It's the same as the Barry saga, everyone knew he wanted to go, everyone knew Liverpool wanted him yet he didn't move. They bid the right amount or they don't get the player.
oh yeah thats gonna work ain't it. milner in the reserves for a year may be a nice thought for some but its really cutting off our nose to spite our face. this is a guy who drops you like a hot cake if your agent mentions you are due a new contract or if you profess to want to play in your proper position. How he's reacted to milner claiming he's telling stories can only be imagined. Citeh aren't exaclty short for midfield players or the money to buy them. If we price him out the market i'm guessing they'll say meh and walk away.
If we don't sell there will be clear the air talk and he'll play for us next season, just like Barry did. It is not in his or our interests for him to play in the reserves but then you know that and you're just arguing for the sake of it, aren't you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 02:09:06 PM
Barry asked for a transfer publicy. Milner hasn't and denies he did. Different circumstances totally.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2010, 02:10:48 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Barry asked for a transfer publicy. Milner hasn't and denies he did. Different circumstances totally.
Yes, Barry was far more naive and less snide about it, considering Milner’s agent, Fergie Jnr, was in discussions with Citeh back in May. He may not have verbalised his desire for a move, but then that just reflects more on his character.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 02:12:23 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
After the World Cup saying that he's been first pick for England is surely an insult. If he leaves there will be few teams able to match the silly money that he's getting up there, twice what we're allegedly paying Heskey, and if he stays he's not going to play as often as he'd like.
How pathetic. Of all the players there he did as well as most and better than many and this after returning from an injury without being match fit, pathetic, whingeing.
As he's always been a clever lad, i'm sure he would accept lower wages to maintain his football presence elsewhere, he's not as daft as many of his detractors.
Is that some sort of attempt to justify the wage we are paying Heskey by the way. Tell the General if it is, see if he agrees.
He was shit at the World Cup, involved in mistakes for 2 of the German goals.
The way he handled his proposed transfer to liverpool and his bleating to the NOTW shows just what a clever lad he is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 02:12:52 PM
heh. its funny but a week ago barry was the snide one and milner was mr squeaky clean
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 24, 2010, 02:14:24 PM
General Charles Krulak says
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Simply put, if we don’t look at those players who are drawing wages but not playing, we are making a mistake.”
where's the problem folks does Milner set the wage scale, does RL, or is it a mate of Pablo's.
Who told the world we needed to sell players to buy players, Milner? General K, RL, Pablo's mate, Barry or someone else.
Seems to me 'sell to buy' could read, 'you don't get any more money to spend until those players you have spent millions on, are used regularly or sold off' Know what I mean
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 02:15:29 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Barry asked for a transfer publicy. Milner hasn't and denies he did. Different circumstances totally.
No, slightly different in that Barry was a bit thick about it but the situation is just the same in that both were looking to leave and we are waiting for the buyers, who have been all over the press about wanting them, to meet the valuation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 24, 2010, 02:19:20 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
He was shit at the World Cup, involved in mistakes for 2 of the German goals.
The way he handled his proposed transfer to liverpool and his bleating to the NOTW shows just what a clever lad he is.
you forgot 'he has a fat arse'
It might show you, me I see his percentage of his transfer fee, his first picks for England and his present wage at a club going somewhere as better indicators, but then I'm probably not realistic like you. Ahem
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 02:24:30 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Barry asked for a transfer publicy. Milner hasn't and denies he did. Different circumstances totally.
No, slightly different in that Barry was a bit thick about it but the situation is just the same in that both were looking to leave and we are waiting for the buyers, who have been all over the press about wanting them, to meet the valuation.
ok chris. i just think a manager and his player having a 'he said, she said' slanging match in the press doesn't strengthen our position if you want to get the most money for him. As far as i know there's one buyer interested in Milner and faced with an unhappy player and a manager who tolerates no criticism at all, its not exactly going to be a harmonious dressing room next season if he stays because citeh won't pay us 30m
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 02:27:41 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
He was shit at the World Cup, involved in mistakes for 2 of the German goals.
The way he handled his proposed transfer to liverpool and his bleating to the NOTW shows just what a clever lad he is.
you forgot 'he has a fat arse'
It might show you, me I see his percentage of his transfer fee, his first picks for England and his present wage at a club going somewhere as better indicators, but then I'm probably not realistic like you. Ahem
He gets picked for England because he's a decent player but for a poor country as we saw last month. Any financial arrangements are down to his agent and are absolutely no indication of his cleverness or otherwise. By that argument Rooney, Terry and Joe Cole are clever blokes too.
What a strange way of looking at the world you have.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 02:32:34 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "gregnash"
Barry asked for a transfer publicy. Milner hasn't and denies he did. Different circumstances totally.
No, slightly different in that Barry was a bit thick about it but the situation is just the same in that both were looking to leave and we are waiting for the buyers, who have been all over the press about wanting them, to meet the valuation.
ok chris. i just think a manager and his player having a 'he said, she said' slanging match in the press doesn't strengthen our position if you want to get the most money for him. As far as i know there's one buyer interested in Milner and faced with an unhappy player and a manager who tolerates no criticism at all, its not exactly going to be a harmonious dressing room next season if he stays because citeh won't pay us 30m
There hasn't been a slanging match but I can quite understand why you need to present it as such. Again, the situation you describe is no different from the Barry one. If he doesn't go they'll sort it out as Milner will want to play football, if he goes it will be because they've met our valuation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 24, 2010, 02:40:19 PM
Call it what you like. there's no doubt they have completely different views to what happened in the meeting before the world cup, but hey if you really think reading that in the press will suddenly make Mancini phone up MON Monday morning and offer 30m keep fooling yourself. I'd be more likely to offer less myself
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jwarry on July 24, 2010, 02:43:09 PM
You might say I would say this now, but did any of you detect that Jimmy never seemed to be part of the togetherness in the team last season? always seemed to me he was the odd one out?!?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ez on July 24, 2010, 02:47:19 PM
Interesting that Milner put in a transfer request when he wanted to leave Newcastle yet has not to my knowledge put one in at villa when according to Mon, he wants to leave us now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 02:48:16 PM
Quote from: "ez"
Interesting that Milner put in a transfer request when he wanted to leave Newcastle yet has not to my knowledge put one in at villa when according to Mon, he wants to leave us now.
He's got an agent now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 24, 2010, 02:50:05 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Call it what you like. there's no doubt they have completely different views to what happened in the meeting before the world cup, but hey if you really think reading that in the press will suddenly make Mancini phone up MON Monday morning and offer 30m keep fooling yourself. I'd be more likely to offer less myself
Can you point me to where Milner has said any single thing about this?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tarzansbrother on July 24, 2010, 02:51:41 PM
Man C just bought a full back for £19m. Hopefully £30m is a gettable fee
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 24, 2010, 02:59:48 PM
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
Man C just bought a full back for £19m. Hopefully £30m is a gettable fee
£19m for a feckin full back. The world has officially gone mad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VinnieChase84 on July 24, 2010, 03:01:02 PM
And this is why I fucking hate citeh. There happy to pay 19million for a bloody fullback yet want Milner who's young player of the year for about the same price!! Money means nothing to them so we totally see why were holding our for 30million
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2010, 03:20:33 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Call it what you like. there's no doubt they have completely different views to what happened in the meeting before the world cup, but hey if you really think reading that in the press will suddenly make Mancini phone up MON Monday morning and offer 30m keep fooling yourself. I'd be more likely to offer less myself
Greg, you know, it's ok to give MON some credit. He's not the devil, and even his most ardent detractors are allowed to throw him a bone once in a while. Yes, even you. I want to know, as does everyone else, I am sure, is why in 3 days Milner hasn't contacted the press personally and dismissed the suggestion he wants to leave, and only has his mate sticking up for him? If this allegation is so false, it's easily contested or rectified. Don't you agree?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 24, 2010, 03:25:14 PM
Has Milner moved nearer Leeds yet?
I find it impossible to get worked up about Man City, there is always going to be one club that has more money than anybody else and it might as well be City. I think it will be bloody brilliant (for long suffering City supporters who have always struck me as a decent bunch) when Man United aren't even the biggest club in Manchester and they have to take down their however many years banner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 24, 2010, 03:30:26 PM
Man City will never, ever be the biggest team in Manchester.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 24, 2010, 03:30:53 PM
Chris, the money might make them the more succesful club in Manchester for a few years but I don't think they'll ever be the biggest club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 24, 2010, 03:33:31 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I want to know, as does everyone else, I am sure, is why in 3 days Milner hasn't contacted the press personally and dismissed the suggestion he wants to leave, and only has his mate sticking up for him? If this allegation is so false, it's easily contested or rectified. Don't you agree?
Are you mad, Toronto? The last thing any player should do is start talking to the press. I'm sure the Club have guidelines and rules regarding this point. MON should have kept things to himself. Couldn't it have waited until Monday when Milner is back with the team? I'm not saying what MON said is wrong, i.e. Milner wants to leave but unless he's trying to push the sale through, it really served no purpose than provide the press with a few headlines.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 24, 2010, 03:42:36 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Man City will never, ever be the biggest team in Manchester.
Closet Red?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2010, 03:58:40 PM
Quote from: "Chris Jameson"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Man City will never, ever be the biggest team in Manchester.
Closet Red?
No, he's just being realisitc.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Billy Walker on July 24, 2010, 04:55:30 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Man City will never, ever be the biggest team in Manchester.
Of course they can be. One of the things I love about football is that nothing is set in stone. I love saying to Liverpool or Man Utd fans, when arguing about club size, where were they before the 1950's/1960's? Where were Liverpool before Shanks and Man Utd before Busby? Where were they both before money and ambition arrived at their clubs? Each club was both nothing special.
It's all a matter of context. If you were talking to my late grandad about "big clubs" and metioned Man Utd, Liverpool, Real Madid or whoever he'd go, "Who?" When he was a lad it was all "Aston Villa".
If Man City go on and win ten European Cups in the next thirty years you can be sure the generations of football fans born in the twenty-first century will view them as something special. Money or not. Real Madrid - with the aid of money- got themselves a whole load of European Cups in the 1950's. From nowhere they somehow became the world's biggest club.
Money talks and always has done. When years roll by people will forget the context and what the club was actually like before the money rolled in. For example, people frustratingly forget that Villa were England's most honoured club for a greater part of the twentieth century than Liverpool, Man Utd or whoever. It might sound crazy in the here and now, but Man City (or any other club with £30 billion behind them) can easily become the biggest in the world, let alone the city of Manchester.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 24, 2010, 05:15:26 PM
Fuck Man City. And Man Utd for that matter, but slightly less so. And definitely, 100% fuck Real Madrid, for basing their whole history and success on funds from a nasty Fascist dictator.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 24, 2010, 05:35:25 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
What a strange way of looking at the world you have.
Of course it is.
Its different to your view, so it must be.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Billy Walker on July 24, 2010, 05:36:16 PM
Hear, Hear! I'll go along with that, Monty.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on July 24, 2010, 06:11:22 PM
Hear hear for Billy and another hear hear for Monty from the Maidenhead contingent.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 24, 2010, 06:24:37 PM
If MAn shitty win the champions league and they will probably have a good chance in the next 5 years... I might change my sport to Tiddywinks or something..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2010, 06:33:01 PM
Having survived the 80s, when football was apparently threatened by terrace boot-boys and a general lack of cash, how ironic it is that the greatest threat to the game in the early 21st century is corporate bullying and too much money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 24, 2010, 07:03:31 PM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Having survived the 80s, when football was apparently threatened by terrace boot-boys and a general lack of cash, how ironic it is that the greatest threat to the game in the early 21st century is corporate bullying and too much money.
OK, I'll bite.
It's (like) a free ride when you've already paid.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mrfuse on July 24, 2010, 07:06:36 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Having survived the 80s, when football was apparently threatened by terrace boot-boys and a general lack of cash, how ironic it is that the greatest threat to the game in the early 21st century is corporate bullying and too much money.
OK, I'll bite.
It's (like) a free ride when you've already paid.
A traffic jam when you're already late
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: exigo on July 24, 2010, 07:13:40 PM
A defensive striker when you need more goals
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 24, 2010, 07:16:13 PM
And who would have thought it figured
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2010, 07:23:37 PM
Like a kipper's head to a starving alley cat.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 24, 2010, 07:25:41 PM
oh, it was juicy
hook, line and fucking sinker
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2010, 07:29:07 PM
And you ate the eyes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SashasGrandad on July 24, 2010, 07:38:13 PM
Quote from: "exigo"
A defensive striker when you need more goals
Is that Ivanhoe's excuse?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 24, 2010, 08:38:18 PM
Man City have as much chance of winning every third European Cup as I have of winning them on my own, Arab money or not.
They're 16 titles, 35,000 fans per week and Christ knows what else behind United. If you think their owners are still going to be there in ten years time, let alone thirty, then you’re mad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2010, 09:21:02 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
If you think their owners are still going to be there in ten years time, let alone thirty, then you’re mad.
People said the same kind of thing about Abramovic at Chelsea. He's been there seven years and doesn't show any sign of leaving.
There's a long-term plan behind the city of Abu Dhabi. It won't be anywhere near finished until 2030. Man City are a part of the plan, unfortunately for us and for football.
Everything I've seen from Abu Dhabi in the last few years tells me one thing: they do not fuck about. They're not Dubai, and look what Dubai, for all its faults, succeeded in building. No, this bunch are a whole lot richer and a whole lot more patient. I fear they'll stick around.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 24, 2010, 09:32:21 PM
Quote from: "Billy Walker"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Man City will never, ever be the biggest team in Manchester.
*edited long post out*
Unfortunatelty I agree with this, it's why I support whoever Chelsea are playing in the Champions League every season.
I celebrated Iniesta's late winner at Stamford Bridge the season before last like it was a Villa goal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 24, 2010, 09:38:26 PM
Quote from: "Jimbo"
Quote from: "Ads"
If you think their owners are still going to be there in ten years time, let alone thirty, then you’re mad.
People said the same kind of thing about Abramovic at Chelsea. He's been there seven years and doesn't show any sign of leaving.
There's a long-term plan behind the city of Abu Dhabi. It won't be anywhere near finished until 2030. Man City are a part of the plan, unfortunately for us and for football.
Everything I've seen from Abu Dhabi in the last few years tells me one thing: they do not fuck about. They're not Dubai, and look what Dubai, for all its faults, succeeded in building. No, this bunch are a whole lot richer and a whole lot more patient. I fear they'll stick around.
Agree again, I think the club will be in their family for generations. Aren't their plans for them redeveloping Manchester city centre? It's not just Man City, they're tryna improve everything associated with the club.
I'm just suprised they've been so wreckless about it, but I suppose any publicity is good publicity and the bold claims and massive spending is all part of their advertisement globally. Even if it does make them hated in this country.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 24, 2010, 09:42:38 PM
Has Milner gone yet?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 24, 2010, 09:44:59 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Has Milner gone yet?
Gone and fucked up his Villa legacy? Yup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 24, 2010, 10:35:32 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I want to know, as does everyone else, I am sure, is why in 3 days Milner hasn't contacted the press personally and dismissed the suggestion he wants to leave, and only has his mate sticking up for him? If this allegation is so false, it's easily contested or rectified. Don't you agree?
Are you mad, Toronto? The last thing any player should do is start talking to the press. I'm sure the Club have guidelines and rules regarding this point. MON should have kept things to himself. Couldn't it have waited until Monday when Milner is back with the team? I'm not saying what MON said is wrong, i.e. Milner wants to leave but unless he's trying to push the sale through, it really served no purpose than provide the press with a few headlines.
The manager's called him out publicly. I get the impression that MON didn't go lone wolf on this, that the club were in support, and have tried and failed to persuade him to stay. It also suggests that Man City are looking to be this summer's Liverpool and drag this out to ultimately weaken a rival by disrupting our purchasing ability. I don't think Milner is as white as white anymore, so what's he got to lose in defending his position if he's going anyway? If there was any chance of him staying I don't think for a second MON would have made those comments on behalf of the entire football club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on July 24, 2010, 10:49:05 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Quote from: "Billy Walker"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Man City will never, ever be the biggest team in Manchester.
*edited long post out*
Unfortunatelty I agree with this, it's why I support whoever Chelsea are playing in the Champions League every season.
I celebrated Iniesta's late winner at Stamford Bridge the season before last like it was a Villa goal.
I took my shirt off and ran round the room when that goal went in. The dog was scared.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 24, 2010, 10:58:18 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
I want to know, as does everyone else, I am sure, is why in 3 days Milner hasn't contacted the press personally and dismissed the suggestion he wants to leave, and only has his mate sticking up for him? If this allegation is so false, it's easily contested or rectified. Don't you agree?
Are you mad, Toronto? The last thing any player should do is start talking to the press. I'm sure the Club have guidelines and rules regarding this point. MON should have kept things to himself. Couldn't it have waited until Monday when Milner is back with the team? I'm not saying what MON said is wrong, i.e. Milner wants to leave but unless he's trying to push the sale through, it really served no purpose than provide the press with a few headlines.
The manager's called him out publicly. I get the impression that MON didn't go lone wolf on this, that the club were in support, and have tried and failed to persuade him to stay. It also suggests that Man City are looking to be this summer's Liverpool and drag this out to ultimately weaken a rival by disrupting our purchasing ability. I don't think Milner is as white as white anymore, so what's he got to lose in defending his position if he's going anyway? If there was any chance of him staying I don't think for a second MON would have made those comments on behalf of the entire football club.
It was reported in the Express this morning that a source at the club said there were 5 people at the meeting with 3 from the club and 3 of them knew exactly what was said. I assume the 3 were MON, Randy and Faulkner. Like you say, I think Randy is right behind MON on this one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: wozwebs on July 24, 2010, 11:05:15 PM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 24, 2010, 11:39:33 PM
I refuse to believe Spurs are interested until Redknapp is quoted as saying "I think he's a triffic player and would be interested if the boy was available".
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 24, 2010, 11:46:17 PM
True or not, It might stop Man Shitty from messing around and give us the money we want.... we need more clubs in for him....
was that what MON intended ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 24, 2010, 11:47:59 PM
The day after he is pictured ITSOTP at Man City Harry will be saying I know the boy wanted to come here but City made him sign for them, it ain't fair guv.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 25, 2010, 12:30:24 AM
Good stuff from Paul Parker here.
Incidentally, am I the only one unable to visualise Paul Parker without seeing him turning round to see the delfection off him loop over Peter Shilton in 1990?
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When you look at the number of players that Manchester City already have in their squad, especially in midfield, it looks as though James Milner will be just another to arrive on big money and not play regular football.
At Aston Villa last season he was one of the first names on the team sheet, but it's not going to be that way at Eastlands.
Milner is highly-praised for his versatility, but I can't see him holding down a regular starting place either on the wings or in the centre of midfield. Due to their recent signings, City have well over a dozen other midfielders in their ranks already. One of those is now a World Cup winner and another was a first-teamer at Barcelona for the past three years. In footballing terms, I think it is a bad move for him. But if it is money that he is chasing then he's off to the right club.
To leave Aston Villa to go to Manchester City, it must be about money. City may be on a mission to spend their way to the top, but in terms of comparing the two clubs, both historically and in recent years, Villa have more about them. It's certainly not a step forward.
Roberto Mancini is loading himself up with problems, whether he tries to ignores the major egos in the dressing room and persist with a settled side, or whether he adopts a rotation policy to keep everyone happy.
Even when Chelsea were at their most spend-happy under Jose Mourinho, the Portuguese coach managed to keep a strong core within the first team. Mancini is going to struggle to do that with the number of playing staff already on his books as it is, without adding any more.
I personally don't think this will be a good move for Milner. For Villa, however, I think it could be great. They are in line to pocket a tremendous sum of money for a player who I don't think is worth anywhere near that amount.
Once again, last season Villa suffered from the lack of depth in their squad. They just weren't able to last the pace as the race for fourth place neared its end. So a windfall of anything up to the £30 million they are demanding can help Martin O'Neill make several significant signings that will greatly aid them next season. He was great at times last season, and has improved year on year, but it remains to be seen if he can produce that form consistently. He is also still not proven at international level. It seems to me that City are once again paying well over the odds for a player.
Alex Ferguson or Arsene Wenger would certainly never dream of paying that kind of fee for a player of Milner's abilities. Not even Harry Redknapp, who is always keen to give English players a chance, would see him as a decent buy at that price. I'm no fan of Premier League managers shipping in foreign players when there are equally talented Englishmen not being given the same opportunities, but when Milner is going for so much money can you blame them?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2010, 10:10:28 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
What a strange way of looking at the world you have.
Of course it is.
Its different to your view, so it must be.
The assertion that money is an indication of intelligence was the point in question.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 25, 2010, 10:16:42 AM
The thing is they have to name a squad of 25 for the prem inc 8 hoe grown players. They are going to have players who can't kick a ball for them unless they start to offload. Or is that what the Elite blah blah force is for?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 25, 2010, 10:17:10 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
What a strange way of looking at the world you have.
Of course it is.
Its different to your view, so it must be.
The assertion that money is an indication of intelligence was the point in question.
yes, yes if you say so
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 25, 2010, 10:19:08 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
What a strange way of looking at the world you have.
Of course it is.
Its different to your view, so it must be.
The assertion that money is an indication of intelligence was the point in question.
yes, yes if you say so
Quote
It might show you, me I see his percentage of his transfer fee, his first picks for England and his present wage at a club going somewhere as better indicators, but then I'm probably not realistic like you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 25, 2010, 02:31:43 PM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
The thing is they have to name a squad of 25 for the prem inc 8 hoe grown players. They are going to have players who can't kick a ball for them unless they start to offload. Or is that what the Elite blah blah force is for?
Isn't there something in one of the papers about how Money City currently have a first team squad of 37. They basically have to sell twelve players. Now this will be incredibly difficult as the players are on fat contracts and no one else will pay that money. If I was one of those players I'd just stay and keep earning £80-100K Per week.
Apparently Lescott is one of the unwanted players. After the trouble they went to sign him, the fee they paid for him it's hilarious.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 25, 2010, 02:53:53 PM
Even if they don't sell them they won't bat an eyelid about having to pay them and play in the reserves- money is no object so it would be no hardship to city if they remain unsold.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2010, 03:25:58 PM
Paul Parker saying exactly what most of us feel..
Sell him and bring in Ireland , Flamini, Keane, Mcgready and Onuoha ..
And we will be a better team.. I dont agree with all those players but mON obvioulsy wants 3 of them . But a Flamini or a Diarra and add a Onuoha and say young RB like Clyne and we will look alot better.
I do really rate Ireland..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2010, 03:26:20 PM
James Milner's move from Aston Villa to Manchester City is a "done deal", but Martin O'Neill is holding out for at least £25m, The Independent on Sunday understands.
An impeccable source said that the Villa manager would hold out for every penny he could get for the England midfielder but that O'Neill would be interested in a player-plus-cash deal, with City's Stephen Ireland of particular interest.
The City centre-half Nedum Onuoha has also been linked with a switch to Villa Park as City's spending spree means academy products such as Ireland, Onuoha and Michael Johnson could be surplus to requirements.
Independent
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 25, 2010, 03:41:46 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Paul Parker saying exactly what most of us feel..
Sell him and bring in Ireland , Flamini, Keane, Mcgready and Onuoha ..
And we will be a better team.. I dont agree with all those players but mON obvioulsy wants 3 of them . But a Flamini or a Diarra and add a Onuoha and say young RB like Clyne and we will look alot better.
I do really rate Ireland..
Absolutely I think that we sell him and we can actually get the players that will make the difference for us. Guys like Ireland and Flamini are gettable on decent fees and can do that for us.
I'll be delighted if we can get Ireland and Onuoha or Richards and some money say £10million for Milner. The £10million can get us Keane and Flamini based on low estimates in the papers and those two can do a good job for us. If we get McGeady and a left back which we could just about manage to do with the money yielded from our unwanted players.
Now if we have those players we have a strong squad with depth in all areas regardless of what I feel about the merits of some of those players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2010, 03:51:10 PM
...and Onuoha can play LB I think.. In fact RB and CB too . You can probably sell Davies/Beye then too , to get more funds..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 25, 2010, 03:52:16 PM
Hleb and Flamini for a combined third of what we'd get for Milner is a no brainer. They're both superior players (albeit in differing positions).
Just shows how quickly football can change, and how players stock can fall so quickly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 25, 2010, 03:56:06 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Hleb and Flamini for a combined third of what we'd get for Milner is a no brainer. They're both superior players (albeit in differing positions).
Just shows how quickly football can change, and how players stock can fall so quickly.
A bit of time on someone's bench can fuck anyone's career and reputation up and that is sadly the case for those two. In fact I bet Milner will move somewhere on the cheap in two or three years after a season on the City bench.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2010, 04:04:15 PM
I would love Hieb. But I think Ireland will come to Villa and we need a Flamini type. I cant see MON buying Hieb too but what a squad If he did..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 25, 2010, 04:26:03 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
The thing is they have to name a squad of 25 for the prem inc 8 hoe grown players. They are going to have players who can't kick a ball for them unless they start to offload. Or is that what the Elite blah blah force is for?
If I was one of those players I'd just stay and keep earning £80-100K Per week
Of course you would & so would I
Poor old James Milner seems to be getting slaughtered on here & elsewhere for wanting to do the very same though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 25, 2010, 04:46:32 PM
I agree to a point if I'm honest. It's slightly different as he's a regular starter at a club where he's earning a fair old wedge. There is a decision to be made where you choose to earn some more money but play less. In the case of Lescott he must feel very bitter as his head was turned and now he's not wanted.
In fact this might be what boils the piss of so many on here. We have a player who must surely know he'll eventually be cast aside and play less first team football than if he stayed at Villa. He'll probably justify it by saying he wants to win medals or play CL football like Barry did rather than being honest and saying the 100% pay rise was why he did it.
I think the main reason many on here are unhappy is that players are divorced from our reality. We all work for our money and for many it won't be enough to do what we all want. We scrimp and save some of this money to buy a season ticket or to pay for a long trip down spending a weekend watching our team. The players we watch however get paid far more than than we dream of and don't know our reality of trying to get by, paying bills and basic needs. Milner gets £45K per week. That's what? £2.5million per year pre tax which is more money than we can dream of and here we have a player who thinks that's not good enough who wants to leave the club that means so much to us all for double the money. Isn't £2.5million enough?
To compound this all some of us (mistakenly it transpires) thought he was different. Possibly because he looks like a WW2 soldier through back or an extra from a Hovis advert. Yet, for him our club is not good enough and the vast pay packet he receives isn't enough.
If I was a player I'd choose not to move to City ultimately for footballing reasons even though by my own admission I'd wrestle my own granmother for a load of money, a sack of French porn and an amusing clock but I understand if Lescott stays and bleeds them dry due to being bitter.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 25, 2010, 04:50:05 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I agree to a point if I'm honest. It's slightly different as he's a regular starter at a club where he's earning a fair old wedge. There is a decision to be made where you choose to earn some more money but play less. In the case of Lescott he must feel very bitter as his head was turned and now he's not wanted.
I'd expect Lescott to be first choice at Man City next season. There don't seem to be many stories of them trying to buy many more centre-halves.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 25, 2010, 05:01:20 PM
Just had a tweet from @VillaNews saying it's 'SPECULATION' Done deal. Cash + Ireland.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 25, 2010, 05:02:40 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I agree to a point if I'm honest. It's slightly different as he's a regular starter at a club where he's earning a fair old wedge. There is a decision to be made where you choose to earn some more money but play less. In the case of Lescott he must feel very bitter as his head was turned and now he's not wanted.
I'd expect Lescott to be first choice at Man City next season. There don't seem to be many stories of them trying to buy many more centre-halves.
Boateng? Also linked with Kjaer and a few others.
Anyway my point remains regardless of it's Joleon Lescott, Gareth Barry, Nigel De Jong, Wayne Bridge or whoever.
There will be players in that squad who will be cast aside as they can only have a 25 man squad and need a certain number of these to be younger players and doubtlessly some of them might struggle to find a new club and be tempted to do a Winston Bogarde on their fat contract.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2010, 05:11:39 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Just had a tweet from @VillaNews saying it's 'SPECULATION' Done deal. Cash + Ireland.
I'd hope that's true, Ireland would be ideal and has the craft we need. Although I wouldn't want him and Petrov as a midfield two, we'd have to have someone to do the leg work.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 25, 2010, 05:13:34 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Just had a tweet from @VillaNews saying it's 'SPECULATION' Done deal. Cash + Ireland.
I'd hope that's true, Ireland would be ideal and has the craft we need. Although I wouldn't want him and Petrov as a midfield two, we'd have to have someone to do the leg work.
Agreed.
Petrov NRC and Ireland.
Delph in for NRC when back fit.
That would work.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 25, 2010, 05:14:49 PM
Yeah I agree, that would have a good balance to it. Hope it's true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 25, 2010, 05:18:20 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Just had a tweet from @VillaNews saying it's 'SPECULATION' Done deal. Cash + Ireland.
Must be true then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 25, 2010, 05:20:37 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Just had a tweet from @VillaNews saying it's 'SPECULATION' Done deal. Cash + Ireland.
Must be true then.
You think?
I don't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 25, 2010, 05:24:37 PM
Can I just say that Milner isn't going any where. 14 August v West Ham no. 8 shirt will say MILNER.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 25, 2010, 05:25:13 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Just had a tweet from @VillaNews saying it's 'SPECULATION' Done deal. Cash + Ireland.
Must be true then.
You think?
I don't.
Three phrases that mean "Ignore me":
ITK Done deal 100% correct.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 25, 2010, 06:40:15 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Can I just say that Milner isn't going any where. 14 August v West Ham no. 8 shirt will say MILNER.
Haha.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on July 25, 2010, 07:30:30 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Just had a tweet from @VillaNews saying it's 'SPECULATION' Done deal. Cash + Ireland.
I'd hope that's true, Ireland would be ideal and has the craft we need. Although I wouldn't want him and Petrov as a midfield two, we'd have to have someone to do the leg work.
I just want an end to this now. .....
All this talk of him not asking for a move is bollocks, he's just trying to not look the bad guy. He could of come out and said something similar to Ashley Young ages ago if he wasn't such a money grabbing c**t, get rid ASAP.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2010, 07:41:31 PM
The more I think of this now. Lets get the bloody deal wrapped up and get Ireland. If its 15 million plus Ireland , so be it..
Reading the Man shitty forums, they sound absolutely gutted to lose Ireland .
I wish I could get an update, but Ive lost my bloody mobile..
I like this post from somebody off there
Stevie played well the other night, he was our threat going forward with several decent through passes and also showed determination to track back making two very good tackles to win back the ball. Got tired in the second half, which is understandable.
I think he will be back to his best this season and if he is then we will have another £30+ million pound player on our books.
Selling him to any club in the prem will be a disaster, besides City are his footballing family and that is priceless.
Keep him at all costs!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2010, 08:08:36 PM
Ireland has scored 11 league goals over the previous two seasons, Milner 10.
Difference is most of Milners have been from penalties so Ireland carries a great goalscoring threat from central midfield in open play which we don't get from Petrov and NRC who hardly score at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 25, 2010, 08:30:19 PM
Our Jimmy is back tomoroow, physically speaking.
Can't see him doing a lot of training, can you ??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 25, 2010, 09:15:33 PM
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Ireland has scored 11 league goals over the previous two seasons, Milner 10.
Difference is most of Milners have been from penalties so Ireland carries a great goalscoring threat from central midfield in open play which we don't get from Petrov and NRC who hardly score at all.
Ireland has probably palyed less full matches last season too.
I think if Ireland and Keane ARE coming, we will definetely be scoring more goals than last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 25, 2010, 09:59:13 PM
Quote from: "TimTheVillain"
Our Jimmy is back tomoroow, physically speaking.
Can't see him doing a lot of training, can you ??
Good. Put him on the diet that saw Robert whatsisname lose all that weight. With extra breakfast pudding.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 25, 2010, 10:02:31 PM
Quote from: "tarzansbrother"
If he doesnt hand in a tranfer request i take it Villa pay his signing on fee? Surely that and agent fees have to be £3m ie 10%.
the conjecture about him not getting a fee from villa if he hasnt written a transfer request is bogus. If he indicated he wanted to leave then he has effectively said he would like to be released from his contract, if citeh make an offer they are saying they want him released from his contract, at that point Villa can determine and negotiate how the contract is voided
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SoccerHQ on July 25, 2010, 10:38:32 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Quote from: "SoccerHQ"
Ireland has scored 11 league goals over the previous two seasons, Milner 10.
Difference is most of Milners have been from penalties so Ireland carries a great goalscoring threat from central midfield in open play which we don't get from Petrov and NRC who hardly score at all.
Ireland has probably palyed less full matches last season too.
I think if Ireland and Keane ARE coming, we will definetely be scoring more goals than last season.
Ireland only did score two league goals last season but then again minimal starts.
I was also surprised to discover Downing scored nine league goals for Boro in 07/08 with only two of them being pens (before following up with zero the next season when Boro went down re-inforcing my belief Downing very much is a confidence player).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 25, 2010, 11:54:48 PM
Doesn't the 25-man squad increase is you have homegrown players. Or is it just youngsters that can increase the 25-players in the squad?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 26, 2010, 12:14:17 AM
Guardian
James Milner is expected to hold talks with Martin O'Neill when he returns to Aston Villa for pre-season training tomorrow, with the furore last week about his future still fresh in the mind. The England international was given an extended break following the World Cup finals but he is due to report to the club's Bodymoor Heath training ground tomorrow morning, where it is anticipated he will meet the manager to discuss his position.
Milner was deeply upset last Thursday, when O'Neill claimed that he had "intimated" he wanted to leave the club during a meeting held at the end of the season in the wake of Manchester City making a £20m offer for the midfielder. The 24‑year‑old also rejected the suggestion that Villa had offered him a new contract. Villa, however, have maintained that O'Neill was correct in both cases, leading to an unsavoury dispute between player and club.
Whether that can be resolved when Milner reports back tomorrow, together with his England team-mates Emile Heskey and Stephen Warnock, remains to be seen. There are no talks officially scheduled but there is an acceptance that both parties will want to clear the air before Villa prepare to head for Portugal on Wednesday, when the inclusion or exclusion of Milner's name from the party that travels to the Algarve will be revealing.
City had been expected to return with an improved second and final £24m offer before then, but as yet Villa have yet to receive another bid. Villa's asking price is closer to £30m, a valuation that City are unwilling to meet and one that raises the prospect of a cash-plus-player deal, with Stephen Ireland remaining the most likely of the numerous players on the periphery at Eastlands who have been told they can leave this summer, to be used as a makeweight.
Before then Milner could find himself in the uncomfortable position of having to face the Villa supporters, many of whom will have turned against him as a result of O'Neill's comments last week. Villa take on Walsall in a friendly on Tuesday and, although it is unlikely Milner will start or even appear as a substitute after only one day of pre-season training, there is a chance he will be present at the game at Walsall's Banks's Stadium.
Milner, though, is said to be unperturbed about the prospect of receiving a hostile reception from Villa fans. A source close to the player said the former Leeds United trainee maintains he has done nothing wrong and that he would continue to be totally committed when wearing a Villa shirt, whether he was appearing for the reserve team or the first team. Furthermore, he intends to applaud the Villa supporters irrespective of any taunting that might come his way.
Although Milner has a reputation for being one of the hardest trainers and most dedicated players, his professional approach when he returns to the club today is also likely to be influenced by the realisation that there is no guarantee City will come up with the funds to meet Villa's demands. City, despite their extraordinary wealth, have made it clear that they will not be held to ransom and believe that an offer that doubles the £12m Villa paid Newcastle United for Milner two years ago is more than reasonable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2010, 12:16:43 AM
The only really interesting thing there is the fact that an offer as not been forthcoming before Milner returns to training. Whether there's anything to read into with that, time will tell.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2010, 12:35:50 AM
At the reported 4m I'd like to think that Villa could bid for Flamini anyway. He's be Milner's replacement should he leave and probably Petrov's replacement if Milners stays.
I'd love MON to complete that transfer so the mood around the club changed. Basically I don't like the fact that our pre-season/transfer window appears to be dependent on Man City bidding for our player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on July 26, 2010, 12:36:52 AM
The bit about him wanting to applaud the fans even if they are booing him does make me feel a tinge of sympathy (if actually true). It's a shame we don't get a chance to bellow abuse at the agent who's clearly shit-stirring his way to a big pay off, and instead the player gets all the flak.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2010, 02:11:12 AM
I really do hope we're not waiting for the Milner saga to end before we press on with other transfers. Otherwise I wouldn't be surprised to see us scrambling around to sign players in the last few days of the window.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 08:22:10 AM
The sheer arrogance of these cocksuckers is staggering. They spend ridiculous money on average players and then expect to pay a reasonable price for truly excellent players...
Quote from: "Skysports"
"Torres is one of the best strikers in Europe and is already playing in the Premier League for three years and knows it very well," said Mancini.
"But it depends on his situation - his price and whether he wants to come.
"There are two or three strikers that we could go for, but it is the same situation as it is with James Milner.
"First there is the price and then it depends if the players want to change team. Until today, Liverpool haven't bought many players."
Milner continues to interest Mancini but, after spending heavily already this summer, the City boss insists the club will not be held to ransom.
"When Manchester City enquire about a £10million player, the club asks for £20million. That is not good for us," said Mancini.
"James is still a player who interests us, but only at the right price."
I hope you choke on your stupid scarf you greasy twat. We're not mugs to take the piss out of. You've tapped him up and now you're making out you're balking at the price after spending £19m on a decent left back. Pay up or fuck off. If I was Randy I'd put the price up again. I really hope these scum go out of business soon. I can deal with them having loads of money but there's no excuse to act as they do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on July 26, 2010, 08:33:44 AM
Well Milner's due back now, so hopefully this all gets sorted. City always pay over the odds, they don't give a fuck, despite what Mancini says. So if they don't get close to 30 mill, they can do one.
We need to start moving ourselves, and having a chunk in the tank would be nice. Otherwise we're waiting on flogging a lot of shite, with few takers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 26, 2010, 09:49:45 AM
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
I certainly hope it's done soon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 10:13:00 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
I think it's more a case of getting rid of the deadwood rather than selling Milner. Randy has always supported MON and I don't think this summer is any different. Martin does have to get his house in order though and rightly so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 26, 2010, 10:15:24 AM
Quote from: "supertom"
Well Milner's due back now, so hopefully this all gets sorted. City always pay over the odds, they don't give a fuck, despite what Mancini says. So if they don't get close to 30 mill, they can do one.
We need to start moving ourselves, and having a chunk in the tank would be nice. Otherwise we're waiting on flogging a lot of shite, with few takers.
I believe he's back today, so am expecting things to happen this week thank God !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 26, 2010, 10:22:47 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
I certainly hope it's done soon.
From what the General said in his thead, the issue is more to do with wages. I think there are two somewhat unrelated issues in that there is money to spend, but spending that money would mean increassing the wage bill, so the sales come first.
Numbers made up here, but for example:- "Martin, you have £20m to spend plus whatever you generate from sales, but by the end of the summer we want the wage bill to be £10m lower than it is now."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 10:26:38 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
Apparently not. From those close to the inner sanctum, selling Milner is and was not part of the planning. So telling Man City to do one, especially if they're taking the piss out of us and tapping up our players, seems like a good idea to me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2010, 10:27:27 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
Apparently not. From those close to the inner sanctum, selling Milner is and was not part of the planning. So telling Man City to do one, especially if they're taking the piss out of us and tapping up our players, seems like a good idea to me.
I am not saying it is or that it isn't, but they're hardly likely to say anything other than that, are they?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 10:30:41 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
Apparently not. From those close to the inner sanctum, selling Milner is and was not part of the planning. So telling Man City to do one, especially if they're taking the piss out of us and tapping up our players, seems like a good idea to me.
I am not saying it is or that it isn't, but they're hardly likely to say anything other than that, are they?
Randy did say in May that Milner was not for sale. Make of that what you will.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 10:33:11 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
Apparently not. From those close to the inner sanctum, selling Milner is and was not part of the planning. So telling Man City to do one, especially if they're taking the piss out of us and tapping up our players, seems like a good idea to me.
I am not saying it is or that it isn't, but they're hardly likely to say anything other than that, are they?
If not, why would they go and offer him the most lucrative contract in the club's history? I'm fairly confident the idea was to keep him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 26, 2010, 10:40:48 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
Apparently not. From those close to the inner sanctum, selling Milner is and was not part of the planning. So telling Man City to do one, especially if they're taking the piss out of us and tapping up our players, seems like a good idea to me.
Agreed Maz.
War of attrition sounds just dandy to me.
Citeh might like to make out that they aren't going to be taken for mugs, but £24 million for Lescott, £18 mill on Santa Cruz and £19 million on a so-so left back says otherwise.
Put up, or Milner does't go.
Barry wanted to go in 2008 too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on July 26, 2010, 10:44:08 AM
Milner in exchange for...
Ireland, Bellamy, De jong & Bridge
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: magic monks on July 26, 2010, 10:47:51 AM
Id be happy with Ireland + £10m for Milner
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 11:02:02 AM
I'd say to them they can save their money for Torres if they like and ask for Ireland, Hart and Richards.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertom on July 26, 2010, 11:08:03 AM
I wouldn't say our inactivity is purely down to having no money. I would guess it's just typically slow progress from Martin. Also I'd imagine, we're waiting on other clubs to buy replacements or decide one way or another if certain of our targets will be let go.
Robbie Keane for example, may still remain at Spurs if Redknapp doesn't get the replacement he wants, or decides to sell Pavlyuchenko instead.
Surely, if we really wanted to push through a deal for one of our targets now, we'd have some cash at the ready. Maybe 10-20 at a guess, 20 being more on the optimistic side.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 26, 2010, 11:17:11 AM
Quote from: "supertom"
I wouldn't say our inactivity is purely down to having no money. I would guess it's just typically slow progress from Martin. Also I'd imagine, we're waiting on other clubs to buy replacements or decide one way or another if certain of our targets will be let go.
Robbie Keane for example, may still remain at Spurs if Redknapp doesn't get the replacement he wants, or decides to sell Pavlyuchenko instead.
Surely, if we really wanted to push through a deal for one of our targets now, we'd have some cash at the ready. Maybe 10-20 at a guess, 20 being more on the optimistic side.
Don't be sensible! Its down to us been broke and our future is reliant on us selling our best player every year to bring 3 or 4 average replacements to sit on the bench!!
"Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... Martin O'Neill..... "
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 11:20:42 AM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Milner in exchange for...
Ireland, Bellamy, De jong & Bridge
Bridge? No thanks. He's not better than Warnock & I'm sure Bridge has had his fair share of bench warming.
I rate De Jong & Ireland.
Bellamy would be a good signing but I can see him going to Spurs.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2010, 11:33:29 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The sheer arrogance of these cocksuckers is staggering. They spend ridiculous money on average players and then expect to pay a reasonable price for truly excellent players...
Quote from: "Skysports"
"Torres is one of the best strikers in Europe and is already playing in the Premier League for three years and knows it very well," said Mancini.
"But it depends on his situation - his price and whether he wants to come.
"There are two or three strikers that we could go for, but it is the same situation as it is with James Milner.
"First there is the price and then it depends if the players want to change team. Until today, Liverpool haven't bought many players."
Milner continues to interest Mancini but, after spending heavily already this summer, the City boss insists the club will not be held to ransom.
"When Manchester City enquire about a £10million player, the club asks for £20million. That is not good for us," said Mancini.
"James is still a player who interests us, but only at the right price."
I hope you choke on your stupid scarf you greasy twat. We're not mugs to take the piss out of. You've tapped him up and now you're making out you're balking at the price after spending £19m on a decent left back. Pay up or fuck off. If I was Randy I'd put the price up again. I really hope these scum go out of business soon. I can deal with them having loads of money but there's no excuse to act as they do.
To this day, I still have no idea how our former pig faced manager ever got fined for his quite tame James Beattie comments, given some of the gems like this and from the likes of 'arry Redknapp since.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 11:33:51 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Its down to us been broke and our future is reliant on us selling our best player every year to bring 3 or 4 average replacements to sit on the bench!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 26, 2010, 11:34:03 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Milner in exchange for...
Ireland, Bellamy, De jong & Bridge
Bridge? No thanks. He's not better than Warnock & I'm sure Bridge has had his fair share of bench warming.
He's no worse than Warnock, IMO. And, if he's had his fair share of bench warming, he'll be dead keen on getting of it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: OzVilla on July 26, 2010, 11:36:59 AM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The sheer arrogance of these cocksuckers is staggering. They spend ridiculous money on average players and then expect to pay a reasonable price for truly excellent players...
Quote from: "Skysports"
"Torres is one of the best strikers in Europe and is already playing in the Premier League for three years and knows it very well," said Mancini.
"But it depends on his situation - his price and whether he wants to come.
"There are two or three strikers that we could go for, but it is the same situation as it is with James Milner.
"First there is the price and then it depends if the players want to change team. Until today, Liverpool haven't bought many players."
Milner continues to interest Mancini but, after spending heavily already this summer, the City boss insists the club will not be held to ransom.
"When Manchester City enquire about a £10million player, the club asks for £20million. That is not good for us," said Mancini.
"James is still a player who interests us, but only at the right price."
I hope you choke on your stupid scarf you greasy twat. We're not mugs to take the piss out of. You've tapped him up and now you're making out you're balking at the price after spending £19m on a decent left back. Pay up or fuck off. If I was Randy I'd put the price up again. I really hope these scum go out of business soon. I can deal with them having loads of money but there's no excuse to act as they do.
To this day, I still have no idea how our former pig faced manager ever got fined for his quite tame James Beattie comments, given some of the gems like this and from the likes of 'arry Redknapp since.
Totally agreed, not that I ever wish to stick up for O'Fuckwit, but the way he was the only one singled out for this type of thing was madness.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 11:43:55 AM
http://www.twitter.com/juliette_grace
unless james milner says he wants no part in aston villa's future he'll travel with the squad to portugal for pre-season training.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: spangley1812 on July 26, 2010, 11:44:45 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Milner in exchange for...
Ireland, Bellamy, De jong & Bridge
Bridge? No thanks. He's not better than Warnock & I'm sure Bridge has had his fair share of bench warming.
He's no worse than Warnock, IMO. And, if he's had his fair share of bench warming, he'll be dead keen on getting of it.
swop Bridge for Onuoha and you have a deal
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 26, 2010, 12:14:29 PM
Quote from: "OzVilla"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The sheer arrogance of these cocksuckers is staggering. They spend ridiculous money on average players and then expect to pay a reasonable price for truly excellent players...
Quote from: "Skysports"
"Torres is one of the best strikers in Europe and is already playing in the Premier League for three years and knows it very well," said Mancini.
"But it depends on his situation - his price and whether he wants to come.
"There are two or three strikers that we could go for, but it is the same situation as it is with James Milner.
"First there is the price and then it depends if the players want to change team. Until today, Liverpool haven't bought many players."
Milner continues to interest Mancini but, after spending heavily already this summer, the City boss insists the club will not be held to ransom.
"When Manchester City enquire about a £10million player, the club asks for £20million. That is not good for us," said Mancini.
"James is still a player who interests us, but only at the right price."
I hope you choke on your stupid scarf you greasy twat. We're not mugs to take the piss out of. You've tapped him up and now you're making out you're balking at the price after spending £19m on a decent left back. Pay up or fuck off. If I was Randy I'd put the price up again. I really hope these scum go out of business soon. I can deal with them having loads of money but there's no excuse to act as they do.
To this day, I still have no idea how our former pig faced manager ever got fined for his quite tame James Beattie comments, given some of the gems like this and from the likes of 'arry Redknapp since.
Totally agreed, not that I ever wish to stick up for O'Fuckwit, but the way he was the only one singled out for this type of thing was madness.
He was'nt singled out as such, it was only because Rupert Lowe (Southampton's chairman at the time) lodged a complaint with the F.A.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 26, 2010, 12:27:34 PM
You never know, all this may have been hot air, and Milner doesn’t care if he stays or goes. Randy will cough up a bit of doe for keane and ireland and everyones laffin :-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 26, 2010, 12:33:00 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
You never know, all this may have been hot air, and Milner doesn’t care if he stays or goes. Randy will cough up a bit of doe for keane and ireland and everyones laffin :-)
If we were to keep Milner I wouldn't sign Ireland and instead target a Petrov upgrade with the money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 26, 2010, 12:38:44 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "pmk1981"
You never know, all this may have been hot air, and Milner doesn’t care if he stays or goes. Randy will cough up a bit of doe for keane and ireland and everyones laffin :-)
If we were to keep Milner I wouldn't sign Ireland and instead target a Petrov upgrade with the money.
true - like parker or someone ?
someone who doesnt slow play down all the blummin time... ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 26, 2010, 12:44:17 PM
Witsel is my preferred target, but just the principal of Milner and Ireland being similar enough that other areas would become a higher priority.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 26, 2010, 01:19:30 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
To this day, I still have no idea how our former pig faced manager ever got fined for his quite tame James Beattie comments, given some of the gems like this and from the likes of 'arry Redknapp since.
is it not because UEFA ruled that when Madrid approached Ronaldo in such a way it was not tapping up and that set the bench mark ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: exigo on July 26, 2010, 01:22:41 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Randy did say in May that Milner was not for sale. Make of that what you will.
Milner's hardly appeared in any of the club's printed or digital material since the end of the season. Make of that what you will.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 26, 2010, 01:25:03 PM
Quote from: "exigo"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Randy did say in May that Milner was not for sale. Make of that what you will.
Milner's hardly appeared in any of the club's printed or digital material since the end of the season. Make of that what you will.
I think Villa are trying to attract more Female supporters and it's worth remembering that Milner has a face like a blistered piss pot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 01:25:22 PM
Milner saga takes a new twist (http://buzztap.com/-ht9KRb)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: exigo on July 26, 2010, 01:29:35 PM
Quote from: "Mark Fletcher"
Quote from: "exigo"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Randy did say in May that Milner was not for sale. Make of that what you will.
Milner's hardly appeared in any of the club's printed or digital material since the end of the season. Make of that what you will.
I think Villa are trying to attract more Female supporters and it's worth remembering that Milner has a face like a blistered piss pot.
So what first attracted you to the multi-millionaire James Milner?
Gabby's got a face like Penfold and he's on everything the club do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 26, 2010, 01:31:14 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
Apparently not. From those close to the inner sanctum, selling Milner is and was not part of the planning. So telling Man City to do one, especially if they're taking the piss out of us and tapping up our players, seems like a good idea to me.
And yet, we've not even dipped our toes in the transfer market. The only feasible looking signing just happens to be a Man City player.
If we had any money, I think we'd be a little more active than we have been.
I agree that we should negotiate the best price possible for Milner and the deal is inevitable. But I suspect that Villa need the deal more than City do.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 26, 2010, 01:33:24 PM
Pete, I hear your comments, but over the last few summers, we DID have money, and not much business was done early. So, im not panicking
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 26, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
Redknapp removes Tottenham from Man City race saying the club 'simply can't afford him' - SSN
Fuck off.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 26, 2010, 01:36:34 PM
Quote from: "exigo"
Gabby's got a face like Penfold and he's on everything the club do.
Gabby is indeed hideous. You could use his face to go ratting with.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 26, 2010, 01:40:24 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Redknapp removes Tottenham from Man City race saying the club 'simply can't afford him' - SSN
Fuck off.
Just saw the interview, sensationalism from SSN. To be fair to Harry he just said he wasn't in the market for Milner, Ashley or Jagielka and no enquiries had been made.
Suprisingly respectful from him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 26, 2010, 02:15:13 PM
Think we should just buy someone good looking to balance the team out. What with Cuellar, Gabby, Guzan. We could easily be mistaken for a Mental institution football team ............
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 02:46:12 PM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
Apparently not. From those close to the inner sanctum, selling Milner is and was not part of the planning. So telling Man City to do one, especially if they're taking the piss out of us and tapping up our players, seems like a good idea to me.
And yet, we've not even dipped our toes in the transfer market. The only feasible looking signing just happens to be a Man City player.
If we had any money, I think we'd be a little more active than we have been.
I agree that we should negotiate the best price possible for Milner and the deal is inevitable. But I suspect that Villa need the deal more than City do.
We're usually waiting around to do business, what's new? I doubt its anything to do with Milner. Again, why offer him a mega deal otherwise? We have to sell players due to wages but Milner isnt one of them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2010, 02:53:06 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
We're usually waiting around to do business, what's new? I doubt its anything to do with Milner. Again, why offer him a mega deal otherwise? We have to sell players due to wages but Milner isnt one of them.
When did we offer him a mega deal?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 02:55:20 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
We're usually waiting around to do business, what's new? I doubt its anything to do with Milner. Again, why offer him a mega deal otherwise? We have to sell players due to wages but Milner isnt one of them.
When did we offer him a mega deal?
He was apparently offered a contract to be the highest paid footballer in the clubs history before the World Cup.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2010, 02:56:59 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
We're usually waiting around to do business, what's new? I doubt its anything to do with Milner. Again, why offer him a mega deal otherwise? We have to sell players due to wages but Milner isnt one of them.
When did we offer him a mega deal?
He was apparently offered a contract to be the highest paid footballer in the clubs history before the World Cup.
Says who?
Not having a go, generally interested to hear where you heard this. All I heard he said we didn't offer a new contract, MON said we did.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 03:04:14 PM
I've heard it in a few places and from a few folks. I dont know if its definitely true or not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 26, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
i thought Randy said it was all on hold until after the world cup and that everyone is fine with this and he isnt for sale at the beginning of May? Matt Slater on Twitter put it as:
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1st Lerner headline: O'Neill stays. Spoke yesterday, all sorted.
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2nd Lerner headline: there is money to spend, still ambitious, Milner will stay...
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Late Lerner lines: Villa wont spend £30m on player, North Stand work starts this yr, cosmetic at 1st, goal is 50k capacity in 3yrs
http://twitter.com/bbc_matt
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2010, 03:07:10 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I've heard it in a few places and from a few folks. I dont know if its definitely true or not.
So, it's really just rumour like the whole "we did offer you a contract", "no, you didn't" scenario?
Sounds like in this entire situation the only people who know what is going on are the manager, the player and their "camps".
I wouldn't be surprised if, actually, he wound up staying with us after all this, the situation is such a mass of rumour, lies and nonsense.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 26, 2010, 03:11:07 PM
Milner trained today. Milner, Faulkner and MON had an 'amicable' meeting, and will fly with the rest of the squad to Portugal, but won't play tomorrow.
SSN.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 26, 2010, 03:13:35 PM
Doesn't really matter if it was amicable anymore does it. Martin wants to sell. its blatant, otherwise you wouldnt tell the press what he did.
If one of his players did what he did he'd go mental.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 26, 2010, 03:15:32 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Doesn't really matter if it was amicable anymore does it. Martin wants to sell. its blatant, otherwise you wouldnt tell the press what he did.
If one of his players did what he did he'd go mental.
You’re only telling half the story.
O’Neill wants to sell because the player wants to leave, a wish expressed back in May. This is just the business of football, only clouded by Milner’s attempts last week to have his cake and eat it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 03:15:41 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
So, it's really just rumour like the whole "we did offer you a contract", "no, you didn't" scenario?
Well, that's true of practically everything to do with Villa now isnt it? Until you hear it/see it on the OS, its all speculation.
The bottom line is, I dont think we have planned to sell Milner at any point. For one thing, the Chairman/owner coming out and saying "Milner wont be sold" isnt a cunning ploy from a devious media whore, its a definitive statement from a straightlaced man of integrity. Also, MON has repeatedly said we dont want to sell Milner but will if he wants to go and the (excessively large) asking price is met.
Nothing there strikes me as a plan to sell him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2010, 03:19:41 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Doesn't really matter if it was amicable anymore does it. Martin wants to sell. its blatant, otherwise you wouldnt tell the press what he did.
If one of his players did what he did he'd go mental.
You’re only telling half the story.
O’Neill wants to sell because the player wants to leave, a wish expressed back in May. This is just the business of football, only clouded by Milner’s attempts last week to have his cake and eat it.
That's exactly the phrase I'd use. Milner leaving for the money is bad enough, but pretending otherwise somehow is bordering on insulting.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 26, 2010, 03:23:10 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
So, it's really just rumour like the whole "we did offer you a contract", "no, you didn't" scenario?
Well, that's true of practically everything to do with Villa now isnt it? Until you hear it/see it on the OS, its all speculation.
The bottom line is, I dont think we have planned to sell Milner at any point. For one thing, the Chairman/owner coming out and saying "Milner wont be sold" isnt a cunning ploy from a devious media whore, its a definitive statement from a straightlaced man of integrity. Also, MON has repeatedly said we dont want to sell Milner but will if he wants to go and the (excessively large) asking price is met.
Nothing there strikes me as a plan to sell him.
True.
MON doesn't want Jimmy to go, let's not beat around the bush. The £30m price tag was his way of telling Man City to 'pay us the extortionate amounts that you do to every club, or fuck off.'
And I think that's the way it has to be, TBH. They can afford it. They can either pay what we want or they can clear off. He's a world class player.
And yes, only the OS can confirm something true or false.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 26, 2010, 03:26:23 PM
There is a difference between wanting to leave and not wanting to sign a new contract- milner may have wanted to wait a year and see what happened , there seems to be a difference in interpretation from what was said in their meeting in may.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mazrimsbruv on July 26, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
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Gabby's got a face like Penfold.
Personally, I think he's a dead-ringer for 'Iggle-Piggle' off of 'In The Night Garden'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MoetVillan on July 26, 2010, 03:35:38 PM
I dont like ill wishing other people, but I vote we get the orange dot out to concentrate on City having a shite season. That will fucking learn them
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 26, 2010, 03:36:27 PM
Update on Milner from the OS.
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James Milner trained with the rest of the Villa squad today at Bodymoor Heath.
He and the manager, along with chief executive Paul Faulkner and the player's representative, Matthew Buck, had an amicable conversation and, while James will not play in tomorrow's game at Walsall, he will fly with the squad to Portugal on Wednesday ahead of the Guadiana Cup in which Villa will compete with Benfica and Feyenoord this weekend.
Link (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2102487,00.html)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2010, 03:40:07 PM
Quote from: "MoetVillan"
I dont like ill wishing other people, but I vote we get the orange dot out to concentrate on City having a shite season. That will fucking learn them
If Ballotelli signs, we might not need the orange dot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 03:40:31 PM
I can't see Milner being a Villa player this time next month.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 03:41:23 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Update on Milner from the OS.
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James Milner trained with the rest of the Villa squad today at Bodymoor Heath.
He and the manager, along with chief executive Paul Faulkner and the player's representative, Matthew Buck, had an amicable conversation and, while James will not play in tomorrow's game at Walsall, he will fly with the squad to Portugal on Wednesday ahead of the Guadiana Cup in which Villa will compete with Benfica and Feyenoord this weekend.
Link (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2102487,00.html)
Strange. Mathew Buck is from the PFA but Milner's agent is Jason Ferguson. What's going on there?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 03:45:10 PM
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
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Gabby's got a face like Penfold.
Personally, I think he's a dead-ringer for 'Iggle-Piggle' off of 'In The Night Garden'
Fo shizzle mah niggle piggle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 03:46:13 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Update on Milner from the OS.
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James Milner trained with the rest of the Villa squad today at Bodymoor Heath.
He and the manager, along with chief executive Paul Faulkner and the player's representative, Matthew Buck, had an amicable conversation and, while James will not play in tomorrow's game at Walsall, he will fly with the squad to Portugal on Wednesday ahead of the Guadiana Cup in which Villa will compete with Benfica and Feyenoord this weekend.
Link (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2102487,00.html)
Strange. Mathew Buck is from the PFA but Milner's agent is Jason Ferguson. What's going on there?
Maybe his agent has been a naughty boy and Milner has fucked him off. One can only hope. He wouldn't be the first agent to fall foul of MON. I think he tries to make them cry in meetings by kicking them under the table every time they try to speak.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 26, 2010, 03:46:42 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Update on Milner from the OS.
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James Milner trained with the rest of the Villa squad today at Bodymoor Heath.
He and the manager, along with chief executive Paul Faulkner and the player's representative, Matthew Buck, had an amicable conversation and, while James will not play in tomorrow's game at Walsall, he will fly with the squad to Portugal on Wednesday ahead of the Guadiana Cup in which Villa will compete with Benfica and Feyenoord this weekend.
Link (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2102487,00.html)
Strange. Mathew Buck is from the PFA but Milner's agent is Jason Ferguson. What's going on there?
He's sacked his agent for stirring this all up and he wants to stay really?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 26, 2010, 03:47:49 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Update on Milner from the OS.
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James Milner trained with the rest of the Villa squad today at Bodymoor Heath.
He and the manager, along with chief executive Paul Faulkner and the player's representative, Matthew Buck, had an amicable conversation and, while James will not play in tomorrow's game at Walsall, he will fly with the squad to Portugal on Wednesday ahead of the Guadiana Cup in which Villa will compete with Benfica and Feyenoord this weekend.
Link (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2102487,00.html)
Strange. Mathew Buck is from the PFA but Milner's agent is Jason Ferguson. What's going on there?
Putting 2 and 2 together and perhaps getting 794, could this recent spat be down to the agent speaking out of turn so he's reverted to the PFA?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cdward on July 26, 2010, 03:50:20 PM
This is just a re-run of the Gareth Barry transfer.
Buying club say they want our player, and offer X. MON says player is not for sale, and anyway the price for said player is Y. Player says he wants to go. MON says if the price Y is paid they can go, if not, tough. Buying club do not offer Y. Player stays another season. Player fucks off next season for Z.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: andrew08 on July 26, 2010, 03:50:26 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
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Gabby's got a face like Penfold.
Personally, I think he's a dead-ringer for 'Iggle-Piggle' off of 'In The Night Garden'
Fo shizzle mah niggle piggle.
The one with the blanky who's boffing Upsy Daisy ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Le Lapin on July 26, 2010, 03:53:00 PM
This is going to fuck around with any transfers into the club. It's a "who blinks first" scenario now. City don't need to wait around to do a deal immediately, we need cash or swops to get players in. This will run on and on unfortunately.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 03:53:23 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "mshurst"
Update on Milner from the OS.
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James Milner trained with the rest of the Villa squad today at Bodymoor Heath.
He and the manager, along with chief executive Paul Faulkner and the player's representative, Matthew Buck, had an amicable conversation and, while James will not play in tomorrow's game at Walsall, he will fly with the squad to Portugal on Wednesday ahead of the Guadiana Cup in which Villa will compete with Benfica and Feyenoord this weekend.
Link (http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/ClubNewsDetail/0,,10265~2102487,00.html)
Strange. Mathew Buck is from the PFA but Milner's agent is Jason Ferguson. What's going on there?
He's sacked his agent for stirring this all up and he wants to stay really?
Doubt it. Probably just bringing in the union to be sure there's no further misunderstanding. That squeaky clean image can earn him millions from Nike.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 03:55:13 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Putting 2 and 2 together and perhaps getting 794, could this recent spat be down to the agent speaking out of turn so he's reverted to the PFA?
For once, you could be right, Chris.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 26, 2010, 04:01:37 PM
I don't think Jason Ferguson is a FA licenced players agent.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mazrimsbruv on July 26, 2010, 04:03:11 PM
Quote from: "andrew08"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
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Gabby's got a face like Penfold.
Personally, I think he's a dead-ringer for 'Iggle-Piggle' off of 'In The Night Garden'
Fo shizzle mah niggle piggle.
The one with the blanky who's boffing Upsy Daisy ?
That's him! Same square face, same lop-sided dopey smile, falls over all the time...
...hang on a minute...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 26, 2010, 04:05:42 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
He's sacked his agent for stirring this all up and he wants to stay really?
Doubt it. Probably just bringing in the union to be sure there's no further misunderstanding. That squeaky clean image can earn him millions from Nike.[/quote]
I wasn't actually being serious. Maybe this meeting was to sort out the spat, hence a PFA representative, and the agent comes back into play when the transfer talking starts?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 04:09:58 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
I don't think Jason Ferguson is a FA licenced players agent.
He has an agency called Elite Sports Group.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa1 on July 26, 2010, 04:17:00 PM
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
Quote from: "andrew08"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "mazrimsbruv"
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Gabby's got a face like Penfold.
Personally, I think he's a dead-ringer for 'Iggle-Piggle' off of 'In The Night Garden'
Fo shizzle mah niggle piggle.
The one with the blanky who's boffing Upsy Daisy ?
That's him! Same square face, same lop-sided dopey smile, falls over all the time...
...hang on a minute...
I think wakka pakka or whatever is name is is better!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SO Villa on July 26, 2010, 04:20:31 PM
I know a few people at the PFA and, as far as I know, Milner's agent has always been Matthew Buck.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 26, 2010, 04:21:46 PM
amicable talks probably took about 10 mins
MON - James, do you want to stay
JM - NO
MON - Will you sign a new contract
JM - NO, have City offered the Price
MON - NO
JM - OK thanks, see you are the airport on Wednesday if a bid has not been agreed
Milner will not do a Barry and go to the press and slag off the club, just wait
It is a case if we accept the next offer as it will be under what we want, can we afford not to ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 26, 2010, 04:25:31 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
O’Neill wants to sell because the player wants to leave, a wish expressed back in May.
did he really?
Must have missed that conversation.
Only player Mon is crying about keeping is Ashley Young, I wonder why
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 26, 2010, 04:28:23 PM
Mon Jimmy how are you
JM pissed about you stirring it
Mon Sorry needed to stir it up to get your price up
JM what if I want to stay
Mon sorry Jimmy, its you or Ashley, no contest, bye
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villan881 on July 26, 2010, 04:30:05 PM
Matthew Buck works for the PFA on player representation:
So I would be surprised if he was Milner's agent as well. Unless there are two Matthew Buck's?
It is the same job.
Player representation = 'agent'. Milner's is just a PFA supplied one.
I wouldn't have thought a PFA agent was the sort to stir things up, maybe Milners as genuine as usual
All speculation really. Mon rules with an iron fist especially concerning players and media, so I've always assumed the contracts he uses stop them making such moves.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 26, 2010, 04:48:20 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I can't find any site for Ferguson or his firm so can't check out if Milner's a client or if he does work with the PFA.
Wasn't their rumours of alleged irregularities with Ferguson a few years back?
There was a BBC investigation on several dodgy deals: http://www.bbc.co.uk/pressoffice/pressreleases/stories/2004/05_may/25/fergie_son.shtml
I've been reliably informed from a very trusted source that Jason is his agent and was offering Milner to Man City before the end of last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2010, 04:50:30 PM
The agent-son story is the reason Ferguson still refuses to speak to the BBC and they always get Phelan rolled out.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mark H on July 26, 2010, 05:03:31 PM
Would be a funny twist if Jimmy stays now and signs a new 4 year deal on a wage match deal with Ashley at 80k a week - job done move on ..........oh well I can dream a little !!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2010, 06:10:02 PM
I'm a little concerned that we don't appear to be anything transfer related and it appears to be reliant on Milner. I hope that isn't the case, but it doesn't look good at the moment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveD on July 26, 2010, 06:20:13 PM
"O'Neill wanted to talk to Milner over his version of a meeting held on 31 May attended by, amongst others, owner/chairman Randy Lerner.
"O'Neill is adamant Milner would not discuss a new contract. As far as O'Neill is concerned, Milner wanted to leave Villa.
"Milner, however, is challenging that interpretation - possibly because the player fears a backlash from supporters similar to that experienced by Barry a couple of years ago. But O'Neill is in no mood to have his version of that 31 May meeting challenged.
"Unless Milner makes it clear he wants no part in Villa's future, he will have to travel with the squad to Portugal on Wednesday for pre-season training."
Forget who said what to who, who can stamp their foot hardest and who really is boss. It's very simple really. Jimmy, do you want to stay or not? And Randy, do we have to sell or not?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 06:37:16 PM
SSN are reporting that the Balotelli to City deal has stalled. Some city fans are saying thats because they've started negotiations with us and Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 26, 2010, 06:39:11 PM
Fingers crossed. I'd genuinely prefer him to go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on July 26, 2010, 06:41:40 PM
If we get the right money I probably would as well, I want this over.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 06:43:04 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Fingers crossed. I'd genuinely prefer him to go.
That's how I'm feeling too JJ.
If we can get £25m or say £20m and Ireland I'll be happy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 26, 2010, 06:43:53 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Fingers crossed. I'd genuinely prefer him to go.
Me too.
If we can get Ireland and some money we can have a far better team than we would with just James Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2010, 06:47:55 PM
I'd rather he stayed but lets be honest, 25 million for Milner is daft money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 26, 2010, 06:52:21 PM
Strange one when the majority of Villa fans would seem to prefer us to sell arguably our best player to divisional rivals.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 26, 2010, 06:52:37 PM
I would much rather he stays as long as we can get someone like Keane still.
Let's face it Ireland is good but a lazy selfish sod, who would fall out with Martin within a week!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 26, 2010, 07:14:12 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Strange one when the majority of Villa fans would seem to prefer us to sell arguably our best player to divisional rivals.
I'd argue he isn't our best player, and in order of importance to the first XI I'd put Ash and Dunne ahead of him.
He is a very good player who (might) go on to become one of the most important players of his generation. James Milner 2010 model isn't really worth £20+ mill. But then James Milner right winger wasn't really worth £12 million in 2008.
Citeh are gambling that he'll get close to that valuation in time.
He'll need to cement a place in their starting XI to do that, and I wouldn't even say with absolute certainty he is capable of that when you see the level of player they've brought in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 26, 2010, 07:14:22 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Strange one when the majority of Villa fans would seem to prefer us to sell arguably our best player to divisional rivals.
Yes, to a point. But I think a lot of us a have a familiar bitter taste in the mouth. Plus the mone is stupid, and frankly a lot more than the player is worth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 26, 2010, 07:16:57 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Strange one when the majority of Villa fans would seem to prefer us to sell arguably our best player to divisional rivals.
Yes, because he is no Messi.
If we can prise Ireland away and Bellamy and get £10 mill off Citeh, that is good business.
Even if our transfers in and out stayed there, we'd have a better team than last season I reckon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 26, 2010, 07:21:55 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Strange one when the majority of Villa fans would seem to prefer us to sell arguably our best player to divisional rivals.
I'd argue he isn't our best player, and in order of importance to the first XI I'd put Ash and Dunne ahead of him.
He is a very good player who (might) go on to become one of the most important players of his generation. James Milner 2010 model isn't really worth £20+ mill. But then James Milner right winger wasn't really worth £12 million in 2008.
Citeh are gambling that he'll get close to that valuation in time.
He'll need to cement a place in their starting XI to do that, and I wouldn't even say with absolute certainty he is capable of that when you see the level of player they've brought in.
I'd agree, maybe not with Dunne - but in terms of importance I'd have Ash, Gabby and Petrov ahead of him. Those three IMO are vital.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 26, 2010, 07:22:39 PM
Bellamy or Keane ?????
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 26, 2010, 07:25:00 PM
Neither.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 26, 2010, 07:27:41 PM
Well 5 goals from Heskey is not gonna help .........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 26, 2010, 07:30:01 PM
The chances of Ivanhoe scoring 5 times next season for us is nil.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2010, 07:33:07 PM
A quote from Stephen Ireland, "I've heard Fulham and Sunderland are interested, maybe even Aston Villa...", sounds like he'd love to come.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 26, 2010, 07:47:25 PM
Goal.com
Quote
Manchester City midfielder Stephen Ireland set to quit club after bust-up with Roberto Mancini 25 Jul 2010 23:21:00
Stephen Ireland is set to leave Manchester City after rowing with manager Roberto Mancini on the club's transatlantic trip to New York, reports The Mirror.
The Irish midfielder reportedly clashed with Mancini after City's loss to Sporting Lisbon, having been substituted after an hour.
Ireland has seen his first team opportunities limited under Mancini, and the addition of Yaya Toure to the Citizens' squad has brought even greater competition for the central midfield positions. Mancini reportedly also threatened to omit Ireland from City's Premier League squad list for the upcoming campaign, which will have only served to strengthen speculation linking the combative midfielder with a move away from Eastlands.
I would take £10m if we could get Ireland and De Jong.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2010, 07:48:38 PM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
I would take £10m if we could get Ireland and De Jong.
De Jong? I'd give them Milner and £10m for De Jong.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on July 26, 2010, 07:48:58 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
A quote from Stephen Ireland, "I've heard Fulham and Sunderland are interested, maybe even Aston Villa...", sounds like he'd love to come.
where was this quote???
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2010, 07:50:50 PM
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Quote from: "peter w"
A quote from Stephen Ireland, "I've heard Fulham and Sunderland are interested, maybe even Aston Villa...", sounds like he'd love to come.
where was this quote???
Today's Mirror. Replete with quotation marks.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 26, 2010, 07:53:12 PM
If he is keen then excellent. Get shot of Hovis boy for him and some money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 07:53:17 PM
I think we'll be the favourites to sign Ireland, unless Spurs or one of the famous Sky 4 *rollseyes* become interested.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 26, 2010, 08:07:35 PM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
All this "Man City can do one" is all very well, but our summer purchases seem to hinge on this deal going through.
I certainly hope it's done soon.
Not really. I'd hope we could afford the touted 4m for Flamini regardless of what Milner does. I'd happily go into the season with:
----------Petrov-------Flamini-----------
------Milner-------Young-----Downing--
------------------Gabby-------------------
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 26, 2010, 08:10:56 PM
6 v 11?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on July 26, 2010, 08:13:42 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
6 v 11?
But what a 6, eh?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 08:35:52 PM
I've just read on a forum that it's been on SSN that we've rejected £24m bid?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 09:25:46 PM
Nope. All Ive seen on SSN is the same old story about us turning down £20m, asking for £30m with City wanting to pay £24m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 26, 2010, 09:42:41 PM
I wish they'd hurry up and make the right bid, I want us to move on a sign someone that'll make us better
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 26, 2010, 09:58:19 PM
Just to repeat Milner not going anywhere other than Portugal on Wednesday.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2010, 10:00:02 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Just to repeat Milner not going anywhere other than Portugal on Wednesday.
Won't he leave Portugal then? Or will Benfica sign him? *winky thing*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2010, 10:04:49 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "TheSandman"
I agree to a point if I'm honest. It's slightly different as he's a regular starter at a club where he's earning a fair old wedge. There is a decision to be made where you choose to earn some more money but play less. In the case of Lescott he must feel very bitter as his head was turned and now he's not wanted.
I'd expect Lescott to be first choice at Man City next season. There don't seem to be many stories of them trying to buy many more centre-halves.
Boateng? Also linked with Kjaer and a few others.
By all accounts they will play Boateng - Kompany - Lescott - Kolarov, with Touré in for whenever Lescott or Kompany are injured. Which will probably be most of the time.
Kjaer has signed for Wolfsburg.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2010, 10:07:11 PM
Toure is surely ahead of Lescott, surely? Granted, Toure wasn't magical, but I thought Lescott last year put in one of the worst seasons by a supposed top-class centre-back I've ever witnessed. In the early part of the season in particular it was like watching a series of car crashes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on July 26, 2010, 10:14:02 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Toure is surely ahead of Lescott, surely? Granted, Toure wasn't magical, but I thought Lescott last year put in one of the worst seasons by a supposed top-class centre-back I've ever witnessed. In the early part of the season in particular it was like watching a series of car crashes.
I would have thought so too (Touré being captain as well), just going on what City fans I've spoken to are expecting to see.
Title: selling milner wont mean we will spend
Post by: hollybobble on July 26, 2010, 10:14:19 PM
This may have been covered but i dont think even if we get 28 million for jimmy we will be able to go and buy ireland and co I am reading it that the wage bill needs to be reduced with too many fringe players on 40 to 50 grand a week. if you look at what we are paying shorey, beye L young, davis , reo coke r sidwell heskey probably collectively over £300,000 per week thats 15 million a year and over 30 million with what what we they left on their contracts. So bang goes the milner money and we would have only have saved his wages which is probably only 2 million left on it . We have Man Citehs problem on a lot smaller scale nobody wants to buy our fringe boys because of the huge wages we had to entice them with to build a squad well thats my thoughts for what its worth :-({|=
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2010, 10:15:22 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Monty"
Toure is surely ahead of Lescott, surely? Granted, Toure wasn't magical, but I thought Lescott last year put in one of the worst seasons by a supposed top-class centre-back I've ever witnessed. In the early part of the season in particular it was like watching a series of car crashes.
I would have thought so too (Touré being captain as well), just going on what City fans I've spoken to are expecting to see.
That's odd. Any reason they think this?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: spangley1812 on July 26, 2010, 10:23:36 PM
Toure has to start ahead of Lescott....I think he is a much better player (than Lescott), he is captain and he has just helped entice his brother to sign so if Kolo doesnt play thats 2 (more) unhappy players
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid1964 on July 26, 2010, 10:32:45 PM
if we get an offer of around £24 million then i think that will be enough!!
i do worry though about our prospects this season, the build up to this season reminds me of the last season under DOL and Ellis - free transfers and the club just waiting to be relegated, not that i expect us to be relegated
but if we do have a poor season then you can guarantee that in january or next summer we could be having the same discussion about Ashley Young as we have been having this summer about Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 26, 2010, 10:35:58 PM
Quote from: "sid1964"
build up to this season reminds me of the last season under DOL and Ellis - free transfers and the club just waiting to be relegated, not that i expect us to be relegated.
You cannot seriously mean to have written this utter cack?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on July 26, 2010, 11:04:20 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "sid1964"
build up to this season reminds me of the last season under DOL and Ellis - free transfers and the club just waiting to be relegated, not that i expect us to be relegated.
You cannot seriously mean to have written this utter cack?
Tottally agree, if we sell Milner we should improve as a team with the mo ey brought in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 26, 2010, 11:15:39 PM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 26, 2010, 11:17:52 PM
Got a strange feeling, Milner will stay. But thr real question is will he sign a new contract. (i know the papers are saying he wont) cant believe a possible 27-30m player would be allowed to play in a cup competion ???
Title: Re: selling milner wont mean we will spend
Post by: hawkeye on July 26, 2010, 11:25:14 PM
Quote from: "hollybobble"
This may have been covered but i dont think even if we get 28 million for jimmy we will be able to go and buy ireland and co I am reading it that the wage bill needs to be reduced with too many fringe players on 40 to 50 grand a week. if you look at what we are paying shorey, beye L young, davis , reo coke r sidwell heskey probably collectively over £300,000 per week thats 15 million a year and over 30 million with what what we they left on their contracts. So bang goes the milner money and we would have only have saved his wages which is probably only 2 million left on it . We have Man Citehs problem on a lot smaller scale nobody wants to buy our fringe boys because of the huge wages we had to entice them with to build a squad well thats my thoughts for what its worth :-({|=
Great post mate and will probably be ignored whilst others who do the simple 2+2 = 5 arithmatic in terms of if we sell Milner we get Ireland Onoha bla bla bla but forgeting the fact that our manager has thrown big money away on transfers and wages on non performing players. One simple calculation is the profit we make on Milner will cover the fee we paid for Downing- great business! I rest my case
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ross on July 26, 2010, 11:25:20 PM
Why are we always on the back foot in the transfer market? We sulk and protest when one of players wants to go, then end up dragging things out 2 months, negative stories in the press all the time, sell him anyway and have no time to replace them properly.
It does my head right in.
Title: Re: selling milner wont mean we will spend
Post by: Ross on July 26, 2010, 11:27:34 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "hollybobble"
This may have been covered but i dont think even if we get 28 million for jimmy we will be able to go and buy ireland and co I am reading it that the wage bill needs to be reduced with too many fringe players on 40 to 50 grand a week. if you look at what we are paying shorey, beye L young, davis , reo coke r sidwell heskey probably collectively over £300,000 per week thats 15 million a year and over 30 million with what what we they left on their contracts. So bang goes the milner money and we would have only have saved his wages which is probably only 2 million left on it . We have Man Citehs problem on a lot smaller scale nobody wants to buy our fringe boys because of the huge wages we had to entice them with to build a squad well thats my thoughts for what its worth :-({|=
Great post mate and will probably be ignored whilst others who do the simple 2+2 = 5 arithmatic in terms of if we sell Milner we get Ireland Onoha bla bla bla but forgeting the fact that our manager has thrown big money away on transfers and wages on non performing players. One simple calculation is the profit we make on Milner will cover the fee we paid for Downing- great business! I rest my case
Ah, but just you wait for Downing to have a full pre-seaszzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 26, 2010, 11:35:52 PM
Quote from: "Ross"
Why are we always on the back foot in the transfer market? We sulk and protest when one of players wants to go, then end up dragging things out 2 months, negative stories in the press all the time, sell him anyway and have no time to replace them properly.
It does my head right in.
Its testament to where we have progressed to.
Before Randy took over,there was never any worries about our stars being snapped up by top 6 clubs-we are knocking on the door,loosing players goes with the territory-Milner had a good 6 months,thats all.
I don't see us on the back foot over this at all-We are not Portsmouth
Title: Re: selling milner wont mean we will spend
Post by: gerags on July 26, 2010, 11:37:51 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
Quote from: "hollybobble"
This may have been covered but i dont think even if we get 28 million for jimmy we will be able to go and buy ireland and co I am reading it that the wage bill needs to be reduced with too many fringe players on 40 to 50 grand a week. if you look at what we are paying shorey, beye L young, davis , reo coke r sidwell heskey probably collectively over £300,000 per week thats 15 million a year and over 30 million with what what we they left on their contracts. So bang goes the milner money and we would have only have saved his wages which is probably only 2 million left on it . We have Man Citehs problem on a lot smaller scale nobody wants to buy our fringe boys because of the huge wages we had to entice them with to build a squad well thats my thoughts for what its worth :-({|=
Great post mate and will probably be ignored whilst others who do the simple 2+2 = 5 arithmatic in terms of if we sell Milner we get Ireland Onoha bla bla bla but forgeting the fact that our manager has thrown big money away on transfers and wages on non performing players. One simple calculation is the profit we make on Milner will cover the fee we paid for Downing- great business! I rest my case
We do also have the shirt sponsorship money this year that we never had last year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: paul_e on July 26, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
I know, better to accept less money straight away surely...
As for The money coming in covering the wages of x,y,z it doesn't work like that.
The sell to buy comment that all the papers are using to say we're skint was related to the fact that our wages are far too high a % of our turnover and the club want to run on a more stable footing so the wage bill need to stay the same or go down. This has absolutely no bearing on the transfer fees and numerous sources at the club have confirmed it.
Now as the whole thing is a percentage based thing the extra 10m (ish) from fx pro means this has already been achieved to an extent as that sees a 10-15% increase in our turnover. With Harewood, Bouma already off the wage bill we've already made a big cut as well so once Milner is sold there's going to be 100k-ish of weekly wages available and 25-30m to go towards the transfer fees before Randy has to dip into his pocket.
If we can then get rid of the likes of Beye, Heskey, Sidwell and Shorey who everyone on here would be happy to see the back of (except possibly Beye who we've barely seen the front of) that's be 150k more which would be more than enough to play with for us to sign whoever we need, particularly if we go for younger players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ross on July 26, 2010, 11:46:53 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Ross"
Why are we always on the back foot in the transfer market? We sulk and protest when one of players wants to go, then end up dragging things out 2 months, negative stories in the press all the time, sell him anyway and have no time to replace them properly.
It does my head right in.
Its testament to where we have progressed to.
Before Randy took over,there was never any worries about our stars being snapped up by top 6 clubs-we are knocking on the door,loosing players goes with the territory-Milner had a good 6 months,thats all.
I don't see us on the back foot over this at all-We are not Portsmouth
From the top of my head, even since I started to go to VP from about '87, I can think of H0dge, McInally, Platt, Yorke, Barry - possibly 3 of whom have left in prolonged and increasingly bitter moves. So, sorry don't agree this is a new phenomenon with Villa.
I know losing players comes with the territory, my point is other clubs (and bigger clubs than us) accept it, move the player on and then spend the money to poach an equally good player. When was the last time we made a signing to make anyone sit up? When have we ever bought a player before selling one of our stars?
Its always the same. I bet anything that Milner is still at VP in August, but at Man City by September, and we'll not replace him until next summer. That's what I mean by being on the back foot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2010, 11:51:26 PM
Quote from: "paul_e"
I know, better to accept less money straight away surely...
As for The money coming in covering the wages of x,y,z it doesn't work like that.
The sell to buy comment that all the papers are using to say we're skint was related to the fact that our wages are far too high a % of our turnover and the club want to run on a more stable footing so the wage bill need to stay the same or go down. This has absolutely no bearing on the transfer fees and numerous sources at the club have confirmed it.
Now as the whole thing is a percentage based thing the extra 10m (ish) from fx pro means this has already been achieved to an extent as that sees a 10-15% increase in our turnover. With Harewood, Bouma already off the wage bill we've already made a big cut as well so once Milner is sold there's going to be 100k-ish of weekly wages available and 25-30m to go towards the transfer fees before Randy has to dip into his pocket.
If we can then get rid of the likes of Beye, Heskey, Sidwell and Shorey who everyone on here would be happy to see the back of (except possibly Beye who we've barely seen the front of) that's be 150k more which would be more than enough to play with for us to sign whoever we need, particularly if we go for younger players.
Terrific post, Paul, 100% agree. I would also add that Beye is meant to be on £40k a week which, if removed from the wage bill, could have a great impact on our ability to offer better wages for one or two players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 27, 2010, 12:00:23 AM
I find it utterly hilarious people are moaning that we will end up spending £30Million on wages for various players that we don't need over the next two years.
Whilst no one is knocking our doors down YET at least some of these players will leave. Most of them will want first team football (If Beye was content to sit on a bench and not play why would he be desperate to leave?) and will except lower pay to do so. The only one who seems to be content to stay on is Reo who we'll could probably use. We've already seen firm links for Sidwell, Heskey and Luke Young so that will be something like £6million off the wage bill. People seem to have this doomsday notion that we will not be able to sell at least half the 6 or 7 who are for sale.
Now Randy will probably release funds as every reliable source seems to suggest, we will sell some of these players, we will sell Milner and we have the new sponsorship deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on July 27, 2010, 12:11:12 AM
Quote from: "Ross"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Ross"
Why are we always on the back foot in the transfer market? We sulk and protest when one of players wants to go, then end up dragging things out 2 months, negative stories in the press all the time, sell him anyway and have no time to replace them properly.
It does my head right in.
Its testament to where we have progressed to.
Before Randy took over,there was never any worries about our stars being snapped up by top 6 clubs-we are knocking on the door,loosing players goes with the territory-Milner had a good 6 months,thats all.
I don't see us on the back foot over this at all-We are not Portsmouth
From the top of my head, even since I started to go to VP from about '87, I can think of H0dge, McInally, Platt, Yorke, Barry - possibly 3 of whom have left in prolonged and increasingly bitter moves. So, sorry don't agree this is a new phenomenon with Villa.
I know losing players comes with the territory, my point is other clubs (and bigger clubs than us) accept it, move the player on and then spend the money to poach an equally good player. When was the last time we made a signing to make anyone sit up? When have we ever bought a player before selling one of our stars?
Its always the same. I bet anything that Milner is still at VP in August, but at Man City by September, and we'll not replace him until next summer. That's what I mean by being on the back foot.
I've been going even longer than you me old pal-The first real heartache I encountered was Bruce Rioch leaving us for Derby.
Milners worth about £15mil max-chill out,we're never going to breach the top 4 with him running the show so lets see how much we can shaft Man City for?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 27, 2010, 12:44:32 AM
God, there's a lot of old cobblers being talked about our finances.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on July 27, 2010, 08:26:25 AM
Bruce Rioch to Derby...........never really ever got over that day. Great player.
UTV The Doc
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid1964 on July 27, 2010, 08:42:34 AM
If Milner stays, and we cant sell any of the other 6 players
Then there will not be any new signings this summer - due to us having to reduce the clubs expenditure on wages
We may get a couple of players on loan but that will be it!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DB on July 27, 2010, 08:47:00 AM
You know that for a fact sid1964 ????
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sid1964 on July 27, 2010, 08:48:57 AM
You only have to read various things that have been said throughout the summer!!
Even MON has not said that we are looking to bring players in!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 27, 2010, 09:11:22 AM
[shakes head]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on July 27, 2010, 11:28:39 AM
OUT: Sidwell Young Heskey Reo Davies IN: Ireland Keane
Wage Bill improved and would actually leave room for possible loan big player ..........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 27, 2010, 12:35:02 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
God, there's a lot of old cobblers being talked about our finances.
Do you know something we don't?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 27, 2010, 12:40:50 PM
Quote from: "sid1964"
If Milner stays, and we cant sell any of the other 6 players
Then there will not be any new signings this summer - due to us having to reduce the clubs expenditure on wages
We may get a couple of players on loan but that will be it!!
That's a massive 'if' though isn't it? Even if it were to happen I'd still bet my last penny we'd still make a couple of decent signings. To listen to some on here you'd think we were about to go out of business.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 27, 2010, 12:49:17 PM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
God, there's a lot of old cobblers being talked about our finances.
Do you know something we don't?
Be the first time
A report by a leading liquidator this morning on the box reckoned most PL clubs were working with a wage bill 103% above turnover a recipe for disaster. Few clubs appreciated the mess they were in and only a few enlightened ones were now doing something about it.
Could ours be one of them ?
Even Harry suggested few clubs apart from Man city were buying because they had no money beyond their high wage bill, so were very reluctant to buy but are preferring to loan players. He hoped to loan out 2 and loan in 3 before kickoff in 19 days time. But we know what a bullshitter he is :)
I'd suggest the chances of Milner staying are increasing, from 2% to 10%, but think the more important transfers are the deadwood, none of whom seem to have picked up much interest. Perhaps as Harry suggests when Milner's deal goes through it will free up money for others. ie sell Milner, buy from Harry, Harry buys from someone else and so on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 27, 2010, 12:54:15 PM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
God, there's a lot of old cobblers being talked about our finances.
Do you know something we don't?
Depends who you mean by 'we'. I know some of the suggestions put forward on our financial state are absolute bollocks though, yes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2010, 12:54:23 PM
Quote from: "sid1964"
Even MON has not said that we are looking to bring players in!
Where? Specifically.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 27, 2010, 12:57:15 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "sid1964"
Even MON has not said that we are looking to bring players in!
Where? Specifically.
There's a lot of things he's not said. He's not told us the sky in blue, but I'm pretty sure it is!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 27, 2010, 01:00:05 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Perhaps as Harry suggests when Milner's deal goes through it will free up money for others. ie sell Milner, buy from Harry, Harry buys from someone else and so on.
Quite embarassingly, I agree with you.
All the major spending so far has been by Man City, whith that money going abroad. Often it does take one large domestic transfer to kick the market off, which may well be the Milner deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2010, 01:09:16 PM
As said elsewhere, if nothing else changes we're already 70k+ better off from the departures of Bouma, Harewood, O'Halloran and Marshall.
Add on the extra 10m we have from the sponsorship deal (or 192k a week) and we're at least 260k a week better off than last year.
If any of those players do leave it just adds to the pot, but there is more than enough money available for wages to get 2-3 players and still be better off (as a percentage of turnover) than we were last year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on July 27, 2010, 01:59:17 PM
i heard that learners mrs took him to the cleaners on their seperation and thats why he is skint.
he could sell that stoopid american football team and invest the money in a proper ball sporting team :-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 27, 2010, 02:00:06 PM
Quote from: "sid1964"
If Milner stays, and we cant sell any of the other 6 players
Then there will not be any new signings this summer - due to us having to reduce the clubs expenditure on wages
We may get a couple of players on loan but that will be it!!
Want a bet? I'm pretty sure we will both get rid of some of the players and also bring in some players either way. I'm willing to bet on it and I'm a tight Scotsman.
We've already as paul_e says we've already trimmed £70K of the weekly wage bill (a trifling £3.5million per year) and have something like £10million in the bank from sponsorship. That probably would cover Steven Ireland's fee and wages for the first year. Randy has put something like £20million into the club solely for fees and everything I've heard (from reliable sources rather than some journalist at a newspaper which I wouldn't eat my chips from or from misquoted quotes from our manager) leads to suspect we will see some money from Randy even if I don't expect we'll need it. Now lets be negative and say he'll put in £10million that is now a pot of £23.5million.
I fully expect also that we will see the back of at least three of the unwanted seven. Fulham have been linked with Sidwell at £2million and say he gets £30K per week that's £3.5million. The same will be yielded if we dispose of Luke Young.
If we get rid of Milner that is say £24million plus wages of £2million per year gone. Man City are probably going to pay that and I'm pretty sure that the deal will happen so at a conservative estimate just under £60million will come in. Even then that's assuming no takers for Davies, Beye, Shorey and Heskey.
Title: Re: selling milner wont mean we will spend
Post by: hollybobble on July 27, 2010, 02:14:29 PM
Sorry what did we get for our sponsorship £10million over 3 years ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 27, 2010, 02:16:30 PM
Its a lot more than that.
Title: Re: selling milner wont mean we will spend
Post by: TheSandman on July 27, 2010, 02:18:30 PM
Quote from: "hollybobble"
Sorry what did we get for our sponsorship £10million over 3 years ?
It's pretty much confirmed that it was the biggest deal in our history. The Nike deal was £10million so we can assume it was at least that.
I can't remember exactly what I myself heard but I did hear something about it being at least £5million per year so it could be a lot more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hollybobble on July 27, 2010, 02:26:14 PM
I suppose the sponsorship £ will buy us one Ireland
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2010, 02:27:58 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
i heard that learners mrs took him to the cleaners on their seperation and thats why he is skint.
You heard wrong.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 27, 2010, 02:30:10 PM
Lets not forget that when we're adding up incoming fees and wages saved, we should also include Gardner from January. £3.5m and I'm suessing £20k-a-week?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 27, 2010, 02:33:39 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
i heard that learners mrs took him to the cleaners on their seperation and thats why he is skint.
Even if she did would she really get much from the Lerner trust which is where Randy gets the money he puts into the club?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hollybobble on July 27, 2010, 02:34:36 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Lets not forget that when we're adding up incoming fees and wages saved, we should also include Gardner from January. £3.5m and I'm suessing £20k-a-week?
Oh yes i forgot about mr blinky and his scary eyes add that to the tab
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 27, 2010, 02:43:29 PM
Some ITK (so they say) about Milner & Ireland (http://buzztap.com/-8l52N7)
Hhhmmmmm
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2010, 02:44:29 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Some ITK (so they say) about Milner & Ireland (http://buzztap.com/-8l52N7)
Hhhmmmmm
Whose blog is tihs?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 27, 2010, 02:49:13 PM
Bored with Villa now. Seems we want to be mediocre with Martin in charge.
Im going to go with Dunne been our best player this year. He will leave next summer to one of the top 4.
year after that i reckon gabby will be our best player and then he'll leave to whoever.
so on and so forth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 27, 2010, 02:49:35 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Some ITK (so they say) about Milner & Ireland (http://buzztap.com/-8l52N7)
Hhhmmmmm
Whose blog is tihs?
Not a clue David.
It's from the Twitter http://www.twitter.com/avfcbuzztap
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2010, 02:54:52 PM
Have a look at the about link in the top right Dave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 27, 2010, 02:57:02 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Bored with Villa now.
Tarrah a bit then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 27, 2010, 02:59:41 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Bored with Villa now.
Tarrah a bit then.
Your such a loving fella. i might stay a bit longer!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 27, 2010, 03:01:07 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Some ITK (so they say) about Milner & Ireland (http://buzztap.com/-8l52N7)
Hhhmmmmm
Whose blog is tihs?
Not a clue David.
It's from the Twitter http://www.twitter.com/avfcbuzztap
Its Ianrobos blog. he runs the forum there as well. Nice chap!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 27, 2010, 03:04:18 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Bored with Villa now.
Tarrah a bit then.
Your such a loving fella. i might stay a bit longer!
Are you sure? You're not too bored?
And Mr Woodhall knows full well whose blog it is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 27, 2010, 03:14:26 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Bored with Villa now.
Tarrah a bit then.
Your such a loving fella. i might stay a bit longer!
Are you sure? You're not too bored?
And Mr Woodhall knows full well whos blog it is.
im guessing your excited by all the amazing things happening then! lol
If he knew then why ask? unless i know, then why am i asking?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 27, 2010, 03:22:22 PM
You'll know I'm bored with Villa when I'm no longer on a forum discussing them nearly every day.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2010, 03:24:25 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Some ITK (so they say) about Milner & Ireland (http://buzztap.com/-8l52N7)
Hhhmmmmm
Whose blog is tihs?
Not a clue David.
It's from the Twitter http://www.twitter.com/avfcbuzztap
Its Ianrobos blog. he runs the forum there as well. Nice chap!
Over to you Lee.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 27, 2010, 03:27:07 PM
I have a photograph of James Milner as the wall paper on this very pc at which I sit.
It was taken in the moments following our defeat of Blackburn Rovers in the league cup semi final to guarantee my son and his mates their very first trip to see Aston Villa at Wembley. The picture is as emotive as any that I have seen in my thirty years following the club.
I have another special picture taken of my son and his Villa and England hero James Milner during a visit he made to our local club to promote junior coaching back in April.
I am saddened to think that they are to be shelved away with my Dwight Yorke and Gareth Southgate memories but that's modern day football.
Already looking forward to my replacement screen saver - God I hope its Gabby or The Fonz.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on July 27, 2010, 03:36:31 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Some ITK (so they say) about Milner & Ireland (http://buzztap.com/-8l52N7)
Hhhmmmmm
£16m for Carlton Cole, in what world would that happen?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 27, 2010, 03:43:10 PM
If mon offered £16m for Carlton cole then I'd be mortified , that along with the £15m down the pan on heskey would be the final straw!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lucky Eddie on July 27, 2010, 03:51:44 PM
Nothing would surprise me more than Carlton Cole becoming my next pc wall paper. Really - nothing at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 27, 2010, 03:57:02 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If mon offered £16m for Carlton cole then I'd be mortified , that along with the £15m down the pan on heskey would be the final straw!
If he did that I can offer you a personal guarantee that the front page of every newspaper will be:
'VILLA MANAGER TORTURED AND SLAIN BY IRATE SCOTSMAN'
Mortified does not begin to describe how angry I'd be. Incandescent sounds more like it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on July 27, 2010, 04:16:10 PM
Quote from: "Kent Neilsens Screamer"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Some ITK (so they say) about Milner & Ireland (http://buzztap.com/-8l52N7)
Hhhmmmmm
£16m for Carlton Cole, in what world would that happen?
If that were to happen some much needed (and perhaps long overdue) Quality Control would need to kick in.
Namely, the General at Bodymoor Heath welcoming our returning hero and MON with a sub machine gun and a few Molotov cocktails. It's your round, and all that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: NorthYvillan on July 27, 2010, 04:27:45 PM
Quote from: "east19"
that along with the £15m down the pan on heskey would be the final straw!
???????????
Heskey was £3,500,000 - wasted money I agree - not £15,000,000. If MON had spent £15m on Heskey then I would have lead the calls for his removal - and a check on his mental health.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 27, 2010, 04:28:10 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Its Ianrobos blog. he runs the forum there as well. Nice chap!
Teh only thing I know about him involves a prostitute.
He may also be teh same bloke who thinks we're all '******'. If it's a different Ianrobo then maybe he is a nice chap but if it's teh one I suspect it is then he's a fucking idiot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2010, 04:31:13 PM
Quote from: "NorthYvillan"
Quote from: "east19"
that along with the £15m down the pan on heskey would be the final straw!
???????????
Heskey was £3,500,000 - wasted money I agree - not £15,000,000. If MON had spent £15m on Heskey then I would have lead the calls for his removal - and a check on his mental health.
He means total cost.
3.5m fee 3.5 years @ 60k a week = 10m ish NI on top of that = 1mish plus signing on fees etc etc.
Not far short of a 15m commitment to a player at the end of his career, who can now sit out that contract and coin it in, if he wants.
And that is the utter, utter madness of signing any 31 year old on a contract that long, for anything like that money. Then throw in the fact that he's Heskey.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 27, 2010, 04:31:25 PM
Quote from: "NorthYvillan"
Quote from: "east19"
that along with the £15m down the pan on heskey would be the final straw!
???????????
Heskey was £3,500,000 - wasted money I agree - not £15,000,000. If MON had spent £15m on Heskey then I would have lead the calls for his removal - and a check on his mental health.
£3.5million + Over £3million annual wages. So if he serves all three years of his contract it will work out at over £12.5million.
It's unutterably terrifying. Think what you could do with the £3million we pay Hesk in wages each year?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 27, 2010, 04:32:49 PM
Quote from: "NorthYvillan"
Quote from: "east19"
that along with the £15m down the pan on heskey would be the final straw!
???????????
Heskey was £3,500,000 - wasted money I agree - not £15,000,000. If MON had spent £15m on Heskey then I would have lead the calls for his removal - and a check on his mental health.
They're adding up his wages aswell. However, if we sell him this summer it will be 18 months of £60k-a-week, so with £3.5m fee a total of around £7.8m.
Still not good business though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 27, 2010, 04:39:50 PM
^^ which depends on Heskey finding somewhere prepared to pay him that much (highly unlikely), in which case we may end up paying part of his wages even after he's gone.
Paying Heskey to not play for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 27, 2010, 04:46:28 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Paying Heskey to not play for us.
Has pretty much the same effect as paying him to play for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 27, 2010, 04:49:49 PM
I thought heskey was on a 4 yr contract, or am I mistaken- still if he sees out his contract it's about £15m down the drain on him .
It will be hard to move him on as well as I can't see anyone offering anywhere near £3m in wages to him, and now he's packed in England he can quite easily pick up his money for old rope- hugely depressing thought!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TonyD on July 27, 2010, 04:54:12 PM
I think we all know that CC is coming to VP to replace EH. He is a MON type of player. When he does join I will switch off the footy news until MON leaves VP.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 27, 2010, 04:56:52 PM
Quote from: "TonyD"
I think we all know that CC is coming to VP to replace EH. He is a MON type of player. When he does join I will switch off the footy news until MON leaves VP.
100% ITK. LOL.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on July 27, 2010, 05:05:53 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
^^ which depends on Heskey finding somewhere prepared to pay him that much (highly unlikely), in which case we may end up paying part of his wages even after he's gone.
There must be a club out there that is desperate for an International class 'defensive striker'?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on July 27, 2010, 05:09:23 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "TonyD"
I think we all know that CC is coming to VP to replace EH. He is a MON type of player. When he does join I will switch off the footy news until MON leaves VP.
100% ITK. LOL.
lmao, you just pwnd the n00b Dave!!!1
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ronshirt on July 27, 2010, 06:00:12 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Paying Heskey to not play for us.
We've been doing that for 18 months. Another couple of years won't make much difference.
EDIT: John M's already done that riff.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 27, 2010, 06:03:25 PM
Quote from: "TonyD"
I think we all know that CC is coming to VP to replace EH. He is a MON type of player. When he does join I will switch off the footy news until MON leaves VP.
CC? He is rubbish. I think EH and maybe even JC will leave, but bringing in CC is just a waste of money. RK or CB would be decent. SI and SP in the middle.
Nice.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 27, 2010, 11:45:54 PM
sorry i thought this thread was about james milner,and as usual when the comments dont reflect the topic you get lots of mindless twaddle
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on July 28, 2010, 12:07:30 AM
Over to the transfer thread for news of Ivanhoe's possible departure.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 28, 2010, 01:16:06 AM
O'Neill comments on the OS re Milner after tonight's game.
The manager reiterated that he would love to see James Milner stay at the club, following a terrific season in which he was named PFA Young Player of the Year, as well as Supporters' Player of the Year.
But he compared the current situation to the Gareth Barry scenario of two years ago, when the long-serving midfielder was the subject of a bid from Liverpool.
"The latest stage of play seems to be Man City feel as if they have gone as far as they want to but we will wait with baited breath on that one," he added.
"But I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that but we will see.
"We had a situation a couple of seasons ago with Gareth and, of course, it doesn't help preparations but that's the way it is now."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 28, 2010, 01:20:46 AM
So it looks to me like City are going to explore other options before deciding whether or not to stump up what we want for Milner. I still think he'll go, but it's good to see that, as ever, MON's refusing to back down for anything less than extortionate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt Collins on July 28, 2010, 07:06:36 AM
Yes, but not if Milner goes in the last week of August, and we miss out on Ireland / Bentley / Keane / whoever.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 08:15:25 AM
Its imortant to remember that MON isn't conducting this potential deal. Randy and Paul Faulkner are.
I also think it spells out in big flaming letters that WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT TO SELL JAMES MILNER. If we did we wouldn't risk them walking away. Them walking away is exactly what we do want, apparently.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on July 28, 2010, 08:33:18 AM
If Liverpool sell Mascherano then my prediction is that Liverpool will sign both Milner and Warnock for £28/30M.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 08:45:25 AM
Quote from: "SteveN"
If Liverpool sell Mascherano then my prediction is that Liverpool will sign both Milner and Warnock for £28/30M.
That would be a terrible deal. That's what we're asking for Milner alone and why would we sell our best left back, an England international (sort of) for next to nothing?
Liverpool couldn't afford it anyway. If they sell Mascherano for a reasonable fee, and his hype will mean somebody will be conned, they will buy somebody for half the money and the rest will be swallowed up to pay their debts. The only problem is that Uncle Woy will replace that overrated tosser Mascherano with somebody who is actually quite good.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 28, 2010, 08:48:47 AM
Quote from: "SteveN"
If Liverpool sell Mascherano then my prediction is that Liverpool will sign both Milner and Warnock for £28/30M.
This is possible.
I've read that Inter are also after Kuyt and Maxi is heading back to Spain.
Who know's what Torres is doing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 28, 2010, 09:10:13 AM
Good old Citeh, fucking up everyone's pre season by flaunting their wads of cash, then attempting to go all tactical.
W@nkers.
Simply put ( c. Gen Krulak) - piss or get off the pot Mancini et al at nouveau richelands.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on July 28, 2010, 09:13:02 AM
I don't want to lose Milner.I also do not want this drawn out till the end of the summer by which time there is no time to spend cash from proceeds.A deal which brought Ireland and Bellamy to us (plus cash)would be worth considering.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 09:15:40 AM
The way I see it, is any deal regardless of timing HAS to include Stephen Ireland. That way, should it happen on 31/08, we have a ready made replacement and are not short. So until then we just go about our business as normal and if necessary put the cash aside for a future window.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ronshirt on July 28, 2010, 09:19:36 AM
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on July 28, 2010, 09:22:39 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "SteveN"
If Liverpool sell Mascherano then my prediction is that Liverpool will sign both Milner and Warnock for £28/30M.
That would be a terrible deal. That's what we're asking for Milner alone and why would we sell our best left back, an England international (sort of) for next to nothing?
.
Agree it would be terrible and possibly we would hold out for more but I've just got a feeling it may happen. Milner would be more certain of a a regular place, Warnock going back home and I think they will sell enough of the FSW's misfits alongside Mascherano to raise the cash we do ask for.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 28, 2010, 09:22:45 AM
Quote from: "garyfouroaks"
I don't want to lose Milner.I also do not want this drawn out till the end of the summer by which time there is no time to spend cash from proceeds.A deal which brought Ireland and Bellamy to us (plus cash)would be worth considering.
.............and MON should be closing this deal now - 2 very good players in, one very good one out PLUS £10 mill.
Bring it on I say and let's all get on with the game we love.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: DB on July 28, 2010, 09:25:51 AM
I wold say that £30m is a lot but when you consider they paid £18m for Santa Cruz, it's a bit of a bargin.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 28, 2010, 09:26:34 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Its imortant to remember that MON isn't conducting this potential deal. Randy and Paul Faulkner are.
I also think it spells out in big flaming letters that WE DO NOT NEED OR WANT TO SELL JAMES MILNER. If we did we wouldn't risk them walking away. Them walking away is exactly what we do want, apparently.
Randy ? is he even here, are you sure about that, MON is a man who has even the groundsman reporting directly to him, so i would have thought that being the ultimate control freak, he is involved all the way down the line,
we dont need to sell Milner as you say, but if he goes in the last week of the window, we wont be able to re build or replace him efectively, and as usual be scrapping round for last minuet panick deals.
i hope yopu are right though, because if there was ever a good case for having a director of football, MON is it, as he is miles out of his depth in the transfer market, hasnt got a clue what he's doing,
its all about holding out against other clubs, when he should be building the Villa team rather than playing mexican stand offs with our competitors.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 09:33:13 AM
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
In as unbiased a way as I can say this, why would Ireland NOT want to come?
If you take him leaving Man City as a given, then what wouldn't be attractive about the club that finished 1 place below them, and in the same European competition, with a James Milner sized hole in the side so he could be quite confident about playing every week?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2010, 09:34:46 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
In as unbiased a way as I can say this, why would Ireland NOT want to come?
If you take him leaving Man City as a given, then what wouldn't be attractive about the club that finished 1 place below them, and in the same European competition, with a James Milner sized hole in the side so he could be quite confident about playing every week?
Worth noting that if brains were dynamite, Ireland couldn't blow the wax out of his ears.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ronshirt on July 28, 2010, 09:49:37 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
In as unbiased a way as I can say this, why would Ireland NOT want to come?
If you take him leaving Man City as a given, then what wouldn't be attractive about the club that finished 1 place below them, and in the same European competition, with a James Milner sized hole in the side so he could be quite confident about playing every week?
Maybe the money? Maybe the manager? I don't pretend to know. I just thought it strange that yesterday SWP was suddenly introduced into the equation.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: MattW on July 28, 2010, 09:55:01 AM
Martin O'Neill in The Sun (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3072177/Martin-ONeill-James-Milner-may-stay-at-Aston-Villa.html); setting up a win-win and ready to play hardball.
Quote
MARTIN O'NEILL believes James Milner could still snub Manchester City to stay at Aston Villa.
Villa boss O'Neill held showdown talks with the England midfielder earlier this week.
Megabucks City are keen to sign Milner but are not willing to meet Villa's £30million asking price.
And O'Neill insists he wants to keep hold of the Premier League's Young Player of the Year.
He said: "We had a meeting with James on Monday.
"The word 'amicable' was used to describe the meeting and that would be quite right.
"If you can draw a comparison to Gareth Barry, if it didn't go through, then, of course, he would feel a possible loss for a little while.
"But at the end of it all, Gareth settled down and played brilliantly for us.
"I think the overwhelming majority of supporters, seeing what James did for us last season, would be delighted if he stayed."
O'Neill feels Milner's chances of playing could be limited if he joins City.
He added: "I can understand that players would be affected by offers from Manchester City, particularly now it looks as if they can get who they want.
"Some of us a season or two ago had a wry smile when they were after Kaka and we thought that was just impossible.
"Now you get the impression that within a month or two, he wouldn't get into their team!"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 28, 2010, 09:56:29 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
God, there's a lot of old cobblers being talked about our finances.
Do you know something we don't?
Depends who you mean by 'we'. I know some of the suggestions put forward on our financial state are absolute bollocks though, yes.
Please enlighten me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 09:58:22 AM
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
In as unbiased a way as I can say this, why would Ireland NOT want to come?
If you take him leaving Man City as a given, then what wouldn't be attractive about the club that finished 1 place below them, and in the same European competition, with a James Milner sized hole in the side so he could be quite confident about playing every week?
Maybe the money? Maybe the manager? I don't pretend to know. I just thought it strange that yesterday SWP was suddenly introduced into the equation.
Was he, or was it a case of the Mirror making some shit up? Let's not forget that there has been no offical confirmation of any offers/talks since the initial £20m bid.
And even if true, it may only be a negotiation tactic. They know we want Ireland, so are holding back until we actually ASK for him in the deal, which gives them a stronger bargaining position to ask for more for him, thereby reducing their outlay on Milner.
All speculation, but I think Ireland would at least be interested in talking to us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on July 28, 2010, 10:00:39 AM
What if Milner stayed and we signed Ireland using the sale of Luke Young and others to fund?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 28, 2010, 10:01:14 AM
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
What if Milner stayed and we signed Ireland using the sale of Luke Young and others to fund?
Can he play Right Back?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:02:35 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Please enlighten me.
The forums are rife with it at the moment. The notion that we are searching down the back of the sofa for change to try and buy players for instance. Bollocks. The notion that we are and always were planning our finances around selling Milner. Bollocks. And so on...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 28, 2010, 10:06:00 AM
Martins latest ramblings make interesting reading (if interesting is wanting to stab yourself in the eyes)
Full Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8862366.stm)
Quote
"The latest state of play is that Manchester City have gone as far as they want to," said O'Neill.
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
SO lets break this down:
Man City have gone as far as they want to and dont want to meet our valuation. Soooooo the deal is dead! WOOOOOPPPP> We get to keep Milner
Hang on............
Quote
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
Why Wait?? They havent met our valuation! Its over. Release a statement saying the deal is dead and move on!
Quote
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
Yes Martin, we quite like having good players! i know its a shock to you after buying some serious sh*t.
Quote
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
Why cant you guarantee that Martin? They have told you they have
Quote
"gone as far as they want to"
So its over.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO SELL! He's a chequebook manager and i reckon the books been closed after Randy popped over and noticed a lot of expensive players not coming on for knackered favourites.
Milners going and its Martin who's engineering all of this. All the quotes he has released are big fat "come and get him" quotes. Milner knows speaking out will lead to a Barry fine.
another interesting bit is this though:
Quote
"There is no question that James Milner will continue to give his best if the deal doesn't go through," added O'Neill.
"James loves playing and last season played when others wouldn't.
"That is why I have no concern in regard to his character and involvement with Villa."
So we had players who wouldnt play?? why not? who are they?
looks like someone is losing their grip!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:08:53 AM
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
What if Milner stayed and we signed Ireland using the sale of Luke Young and others to fund?
I havent seen one shred of evidence to suggest that we couldn't afford to just go and buy Ireland, Milner sale or no. Only the suggestion we have to get shot of players on big money who dont play and take up a potential squad place. Not one shred.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cdward on July 28, 2010, 10:10:47 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
In as unbiased a way as I can say this, why would Ireland NOT want to come?
If you are trying to say that he thinks in a logical way, how do you explain his 3 grannys dying, his refusal to play for his country, and the fact he thinks he is Clarke Kent by day!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: damon loves JT on July 28, 2010, 10:11:27 AM
How about this - he stays, albeit reluctantly, but being a good pro plays out his contract to a high standard.
We don't have to go and spunk £12 million on a replacement, and disrupt the team.
Not sure that is such a disaster.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 10:15:37 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
looks like someone is losing their grip!
I know, but I'm sure if you calmed down and relaxed a bit you could get it together again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:15:54 AM
Stevenjos, are you a professional cretin or what? I mean how much shite can you type in one post?
He says it isnt over because despite what Man City have said, they could come back and meet our valuation. I love the way you criticise him for buying shit players after saying we like good players, who he also bought.
A chequebook manager... he's never had real money to spend in his entire career up to this point.
And he played when others wouldnt means he played when injured and knackered. You're the one losing your grip. You've got pretty much everything completely wrong. Well done.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2010, 10:17:04 AM
Leave it out please Maz.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 28, 2010, 10:19:30 AM
Quote from: "damon green"
How about this - he stays, albeit reluctantly, but being a good pro plays out his contract to a high standard.
We don't have to go and spunk £12 million on a replacement, and disrupt the team.
Not sure that is such a disaster.
By disrupt, do you mean stay as we were last season? I'm not sure too many will be happy with that.
Then he goes next season anyway for less money because Villa can't afford to let him run his contract out in the final year, letting him go for nothing.
Now is the right time to sell. He'll never be worth more than he is now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 28, 2010, 10:20:36 AM
I honestly think we could be a better team selling Milner and hopefully getting the money we want. I dont want him now anyway..
Trusting MON to spend it wisely, is another question?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: damon loves JT on July 28, 2010, 10:21:44 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Now is the right time to sell. He'll never be worth more than he is now.
It's the best time to sell. But we don't have to. That is my point. And that is the point we need to make to that clown Gary Cook.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:23:06 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Leave it out please Maz.
Villasubmariner told me to say it.
Anyway, slag MON off all you like. I might even join in now and then but PLEASE, just get your facts straight.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2010, 10:23:55 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Now is the right time to sell. He'll never be worth more than he is now.
I agree. In my opinion this is the perfect opportunity to relieve them of Stephen Ireland and a big chunk of cash. I think we should get the deal done before they realise he's good, but not THAT good.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: enigma on July 28, 2010, 10:24:05 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
In as unbiased a way as I can say this, why would Ireland NOT want to come?
He's said all along he doesn't really want to leave City. Then there's that huge house he's spent a fortune on. I'd imagine he'd be reluctant to leave that too. He seems very settled in the north west.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:26:11 AM
Quote from: "damon green"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Now is the right time to sell. He'll never be worth more than he is now.
It's the best time to sell. But we don't have to. That is my point. And that is the point we need to make to that clown Gary Cook.
The point we need to make to Gary Cook is a hollow point 7.62mm.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 28, 2010, 10:26:55 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Please enlighten me.
The forums are rife with it at the moment. The notion that we are searching down the back of the sofa for change to try and buy players for instance. Bollocks. The notion that we are and always were planning our finances around selling Milner. Bollocks. And so on...
Hardly enlightenment, but thanks all the same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: "damon green"
How about this - he stays, albeit reluctantly, but being a good pro plays out his contract to a high standard.
We don't have to go and spunk £12 million on a replacement, and disrupt the team.
Not sure that is such a disaster.
No, it isn't.
Option 1: Man City pay us 25m pounds or so, which - for all the "give us 10m plus Onuoha plus Richards plus Ireland (the country) plus Rosie Webster from Coronation Street" bullshit spouted on here - is such a ridiculously inflated price for Milner that even Man City are thinking twice.
Option 2: Man City don't pay us it, but Chelsea pay something close, which means we get a stupid fee in any case, and we haven't strenghtened a direct competitor.
Option 3: Nobody stumps up the cash, he stays, we've still got James Milner and we don't have to go and sign some dross like Jenas in an attempt to replace him.
I'd prefer him to stay, but the other options aren't too shabby, either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: damon loves JT on July 28, 2010, 10:29:13 AM
I reckon Option 3 will be it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:30:04 AM
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Please enlighten me.
The forums are rife with it at the moment. The notion that we are searching down the back of the sofa for change to try and buy players for instance. Bollocks. The notion that we are and always were planning our finances around selling Milner. Bollocks. And so on...
Hardly enlightenment, but thanks all the same.
I'm not really interested if you're enlightened or not Pete. What have I said that isnt true?
You're welcome.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 10:32:10 AM
Quote from: "enigma"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Perhaps Ireland doesn't want to come. Hence SWP being offered instead.
In as unbiased a way as I can say this, why would Ireland NOT want to come?
He's said all along he doesn't really want to leave City. Then there's that huge house he's spent a fortune on. I'd imagine he'd be reluctant to leave that too. He seems very settled in the north west.
As I said in the rest of my post, if you take the fact he IS leaving as a given.
I think he will go for 1st team football, so we're as an attractive a destination as I feel he's likely to get.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:35:55 AM
I doubt Dunne really wanted to leave City either as he'd been there so long. But when you're getting squeezed out of the picture to the point where you wont be playing or even in the squad and wont be offered a new contract in a few years when you're out of shape and bored to death, I think it brings things into perspective.
He'll leave alright and we'll be one of, if not his best option.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 28, 2010, 10:37:42 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Martins latest ramblings make interesting reading (if interesting is wanting to stab yourself in the eyes)
Full Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8862366.stm)
Quote
"The latest state of play is that Manchester City have gone as far as they want to," said O'Neill.
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
SO lets break this down:
Man City have gone as far as they want to and dont want to meet our valuation. Soooooo the deal is dead! WOOOOOPPPP> We get to keep Milner
Hang on............
Quote
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
Why Wait?? They havent met our valuation! Its over. Release a statement saying the deal is dead and move on!
Quote
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
Yes Martin, we quite like having good players! i know its a shock to you after buying some serious sh*t.
Quote
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
Why cant you guarantee that Martin? They have told you they have
Quote
"gone as far as they want to"
So its over.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO SELL! He's a chequebook manager and i reckon the books been closed after Randy popped over and noticed a lot of expensive players not coming on for knackered favourites.
Milners going and its Martin who's engineering all of this. All the quotes he has released are big fat "come and get him" quotes. Milner knows speaking out will lead to a Barry fine.
another interesting bit is this though:
Quote
"There is no question that James Milner will continue to give his best if the deal doesn't go through," added O'Neill.
"James loves playing and last season played when others wouldn't.
"That is why I have no concern in regard to his character and involvement with Villa."
So we had players who wouldnt play?? why not? who are they?
looks like someone is losing their grip!
Yes it does, doesn't it. You should call Adrian Durham up on Talksport. He loves callers like you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 28, 2010, 10:40:43 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Pete3206"
Please enlighten me.
The forums are rife with it at the moment. The notion that we are searching down the back of the sofa for change to try and buy players for instance. Bollocks. The notion that we are and always were planning our finances around selling Milner. Bollocks. And so on...
Hardly enlightenment, but thanks all the same.
I'm not really interested if you're enlightened or not Pete. What have I said that isnt true?
You're welcome.
I referring to the answer you gave i.e. everyone else's opinion is "bollocks". If you're not interested, fine.
I would genuinely like to know, if anything, what your knowledge of Villa's finances are.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 28, 2010, 10:48:16 AM
I see someone is after a bit of fame on a Villa forum. You don't have the charm of gregnash unfortunately.
Edit: Stevenjos, I mean.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 28, 2010, 10:49:55 AM
I actually want Milner to go now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:53:17 AM
Did I say everyone else's opinion was bollocks then did I Pete? I think you'll find I said two points in particular were bollocks. If you disagree, explain why.
What my knowledge of Villa's finances are. Well, its true I know a few people who know a few people etc. But there's no need to go there as there is plenty of evidence for everybody to see.
- Randy has said there is money to spend, that we dont have to sell players to raise transfer fees (which Pelty has backed up and the General to a degree), that its all about getting the players on big money who dont play off the large wage bill before new players arrive. Which is common sense.
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:55:12 AM
Quote from: "olneythelonely"
You don't have the charm of gregnash unfortunately.
Oof! I go a bit far sometimes but...Jesus Christ! That's the worst thing I have ever heard one man say to another.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 28, 2010, 10:58:39 AM
Quote from: "olneythelonely"
I see someone is after a bit of fame on a Villa forum. You don't have the charm of gregnash unfortunately.
Edit: Stevenjos, I mean.
You mean this is for me? or i have a certain charm someones trying emulate? :0)
I thought the edit button was for changing stuff? didnt know it listed it like that!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 28, 2010, 11:07:33 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
In your opinion.
Seems to me Mon is saying if there are any others out there keen on Milner, lets see your bids, because Man City negotiations have stalled. Typical Mon brinkmanship
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 11:11:50 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
In your opinion.
Seems to me Mon is saying if there are any others out there keen on Milner, lets see your bids, because Man City negotiations have stalled. Typical Mon brinkmanship
That's exactly what he's saying. Yes, I'm sure of it. What he certainly doesn't want to do is keep one of his best players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: saunders_heroes on July 28, 2010, 11:17:49 AM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Martins latest ramblings make interesting reading (if interesting is wanting to stab yourself in the eyes)
Full Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8862366.stm)
Quote
"The latest state of play is that Manchester City have gone as far as they want to," said O'Neill.
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
SO lets break this down:
Man City have gone as far as they want to and dont want to meet our valuation. Soooooo the deal is dead! WOOOOOPPPP> We get to keep Milner
Hang on............
Quote
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
Why Wait?? They havent met our valuation! Its over. Release a statement saying the deal is dead and move on!
Quote
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
Yes Martin, we quite like having good players! i know its a shock to you after buying some serious sh*t.
Quote
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
Why cant you guarantee that Martin? They have told you they have
Quote
"gone as far as they want to"
So its over.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO SELL! He's a chequebook manager and i reckon the books been closed after Randy popped over and noticed a lot of expensive players not coming on for knackered favourites.
Milners going and its Martin who's engineering all of this. All the quotes he has released are big fat "come and get him" quotes. Milner knows speaking out will lead to a Barry fine.
another interesting bit is this though:
Quote
"There is no question that James Milner will continue to give his best if the deal doesn't go through," added O'Neill.
"James loves playing and last season played when others wouldn't.
"That is why I have no concern in regard to his character and involvement with Villa."
So we had players who wouldnt play?? why not? who are they?
looks like someone is losing their grip!
Yes it does, doesn't it. You should call Adrian Durham up on Talksport. He loves callers like you.
Agreed. Grow up!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2010, 11:23:47 AM
Can we please stop bickering. Thank you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 28, 2010, 11:24:46 AM
Quote from: "saunders_heroes"
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Martins latest ramblings make interesting reading (if interesting is wanting to stab yourself in the eyes)
Full Story (http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/a/aston_villa/8862366.stm)
Quote
"The latest state of play is that Manchester City have gone as far as they want to," said O'Neill.
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
SO lets break this down:
Man City have gone as far as they want to and dont want to meet our valuation. Soooooo the deal is dead! WOOOOOPPPP> We get to keep Milner
Hang on............
Quote
"We'll wait with baited breath on that one, myself included."
Why Wait?? They havent met our valuation! Its over. Release a statement saying the deal is dead and move on!
Quote
O'Neill added: "I think obviously the overriding opinion of all Villa fans is that they would love James to stay at the football club.
Yes Martin, we quite like having good players! i know its a shock to you after buying some serious sh*t.
Quote
"But as I speak here now at this minute, my honest opinion, I cannot guarantee that, but we will see."
Why cant you guarantee that Martin? They have told you they have
Quote
"gone as far as they want to"
So its over.
UNLESS YOU WANT TO SELL! He's a chequebook manager and i reckon the books been closed after Randy popped over and noticed a lot of expensive players not coming on for knackered favourites.
Milners going and its Martin who's engineering all of this. All the quotes he has released are big fat "come and get him" quotes. Milner knows speaking out will lead to a Barry fine.
another interesting bit is this though:
Quote
"There is no question that James Milner will continue to give his best if the deal doesn't go through," added O'Neill.
"James loves playing and last season played when others wouldn't.
"That is why I have no concern in regard to his character and involvement with Villa."
So we had players who wouldnt play?? why not? who are they?
looks like someone is losing their grip!
Yes it does, doesn't it. You should call Adrian Durham up on Talksport. He loves callers like you.
Agreed. Grow up!
I'm Sorry everyone that i have the opinion that we should keep our best player! I am truly sorry! I will go away and "grow up".
*rolls eyes*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2010, 11:25:07 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
In your opinion.
Seems to me Mon is saying if there are any others out there keen on Milner, lets see your bids, because Man City negotiations have stalled. Typical Mon brinkmanship
That's exactly what he's saying. Yes, I'm sure of it. What he certainly doesn't want to do is keep one of his best players.
I have to say, I don't think there's much evidence of him really wanting to keep Milner from his few statements on the issue.
Nor does that mean he's desperate to get rid, but if i had to bet one way, it would be on him wanting to move him on
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 11:31:05 AM
Way I'm viewing is that he's accepted he wants to go, so is now trying to force the issue and get it done quickly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2010, 11:34:33 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
What my knowledge of Villa's finances are. Well, its true I know a few people who know a few people etc. But there's no need to go there as there is plenty of evidence for everybody to see.
Sorry, but what "evidence" are you talking about? Are you saying you've posted verifiable information rather than just opinions?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 28, 2010, 11:48:04 AM
I think Randy has decided that MON has had enough cash for players and wages and now needs to be more sensible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on July 28, 2010, 11:54:00 AM
MON is playing brinkmanship to get as much as he can, which is quite right, but we won't be massively active until Milner is sold IMO.
It is clear he is the axis around us spending any decent money, as well as freeing up the wage bill with the likes of Heskey, Young, Shorey, Davies, Harewood, Sidwell being moved on. Get 350k a week off your wage bill and you have saved a hell of a lot of money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 11:55:50 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I have to say, I don't think there's much evidence of him really wanting to keep Milner from his few statements on the issue.
He's repeatedly said he wants to keep his best players and who could argue Milner isnt one of those? Why would he not want to keep Milner?
The fact they're looking for £30m is evidence, to me, that he's making it as hard as possible to facilitate Milners move to City. Then the recent statement has a mood of relief and cautious optimism to me. He cant say "thats it, he's staying" if City come back in with the offer they've said is acceptable. A ridiculous offer I might add. Randy also said he doesn't want to lose Milner. I dont see what else they can do to show it.
They have an MO of letting players go if they really cannot be pursuaded to stay but that's not anything like looking to sell them or not wanting them to stay.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: alan_clarke on July 28, 2010, 12:00:33 PM
at the end of the day, its quite simple.
If we can get £30m for Milner, it is worth selling him.
£20m it isnt.
£20m and Stephen Ireland it is.
I think MON is thinking along similar lines.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2010, 12:00:51 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I have to say, I don't think there's much evidence of him really wanting to keep Milner from his few statements on the issue.
He's repeatedly said he wants to keep his best players and who could argue Milner isnt one of those? Why would he not want to keep Milner?
£25m is an awful lot of reasons.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 12:03:48 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
What my knowledge of Villa's finances are. Well, its true I know a few people who know a few people etc. But there's no need to go there as there is plenty of evidence for everybody to see.
Sorry, but what "evidence" are you talking about? Are you saying you've posted verifiable information rather than just opinions?
The evidence, which I have already mentioned is the article by Lerner with quotes suggesting we have to sell to buy but that there is money to spend on the team, that we dont have to sell players to raise transfer fees for new players. Then General Krulak repeating we have to sort the wage bill out but that Randy will spend, has spent money. General Krulaks son refuting that, wage issue aside, we have to sell to buy. Then you have other characters like Mysteryman on VT backing this up. All pointing towards the suggestion that we have to sort the wage bill out, NOT that we have no money to buy players with. I'm sick of hearing this repeated everywhere when there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 12:04:41 PM
The price we get for him is a separate issue to whether we want to sell him or not. I think it's a matter of him not being for sale unless he states he wants to go, which he has, then we start thinking of the money and drill them for as much as possible.
If they offered £30m at Jimmy said he wanted to stay, they'd be told to stick it up their oil well!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 12:06:35 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I have to say, I don't think there's much evidence of him really wanting to keep Milner from his few statements on the issue.
He's repeatedly said he wants to keep his best players and who could argue Milner isnt one of those? Why would he not want to keep Milner?
£25m is an awful lot of reasons.
Now we've agreed before that Milner going isnt a disaster and we could use the money well and come out stronger but I dont think MON is keen to sell him. Not for one minute. Because as I've already suggested, we can still keep Milner AND buy new players. Maybe not an extravagant amount but enough to strengthen in the areas we need AND keep Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 28, 2010, 12:11:19 PM
I don't think he wants him to go as such, just that he's decided that Milner is on his way, and so has mentally decided to spend the moeny.
To use an anology, it's like being told that your girlfriend is leaving you for another bloke, and at first you're gutted and really upset. But then you start to imagine nights out with the lads on the pull again, and suddenly it doesn't seem so bad. Then you find out her new bloke doesn't want her after all, so while you're glad she's going to be staying, in the back of your mind the imagined nights out seem oh so sweet!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 28, 2010, 12:12:18 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
What my knowledge of Villa's finances are. Well, its true I know a few people who know a few people etc. But there's no need to go there as there is plenty of evidence for everybody to see.
Sorry, but what "evidence" are you talking about? Are you saying you've posted verifiable information rather than just opinions?
The evidence, which I have already mentioned is the article by Lerner with quotes suggesting we have to sell to buy but that there is money to spend on the team, that we dont have to sell players to raise transfer fees for new players. Then General Krulak repeating we have to sort the wage bill out but that Randy will spend, has spent money. General Krulaks son refuting that, wage issue aside, we have to sell to buy. Then you have other characters like Mysteryman on VT backing this up. All pointing towards the suggestion that we have to sort the wage bill out, NOT that we have no money to buy players with. I'm sick of hearing this repeated everywhere when there is not one shred of evidence to support it.
so why doesnt MON go and buy Ireland or whoever then, if ireland is available and looks like leaving, as you say. why dont we just buy him ?
or anyone else for that matter, all we ever see regarding Villa is Milner Milner Milner, why doesnt MON get cracking on building the team for the new season, if money is no object tio buyiong players within reason ?
i dont know if we do have to sell to buy, and you might weell be right, in that we dont haqve that policy, so lets get going, this Milner thing has all the hallmarks of a last day move, which will be crap for Villa
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 12:14:42 PM
No, he'd be a fool not to plan for the eventuality. Especially when you have agreed a player can go if certain conditions are met. The issue I had was with the suggestion MON is trying to sell him or encourage a sale. I strongly disagree with that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 12:19:23 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
I don't think he wants him to go as such, just that he's decided that Milner is on his way, and so has mentally decided to spend the moeny.
Haven't we all?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 12:19:47 PM
Quote from: "john e"
so why doesnt MON go and buy Ireland or whoever then, if ireland is available and looks like leaving, as you say. why dont we just buy him ?
or anyone else for that matter, all we ever see regarding Villa is Milner Milner Milner, why doesnt MON get cracking on building the team for the new season, if money is no object tio buyiong players within reason ?
i dont know if we do have to sell to buy, and you might weell be right, in that we dont haqve that policy, so lets get going, this Milner thing has all the hallmarks of a last day move, which will be crap for Villa
Well, who knows why we havent bought anybody yet. Maybe because we need to get some more players off the wage bill, because negotiations typically take ages, agents taking the piss, because we're typically tardy...etc. Its not like we have to have a Milner issue to take our time is it? But unless Man City are the biggest twats of all time they will hold selling Ireland to us until the Milner issue is resolved one way or another.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 28, 2010, 12:23:20 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
In your opinion.
Seems to me Mon is saying if there are any others out there keen on Milner, lets see your bids, because Man City negotiations have stalled. Typical Mon brinkmanship
That's exactly what he's saying. Yes, I'm sure of it. What he certainly doesn't want to do is keep one of his best players.
Yes well. The only player he's made any fuss about keeping is Ashley Young, and his recent suggestion Milner wanted away, still refuted by Milner when I last spoke to him via the gate-man, is generally accepted by sensible people as the come and get him, message.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on July 28, 2010, 12:23:42 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Risso"
Leave it out please Maz.
Villasubmariner told me to say it.
Anyway, slag MON off all you like. I might even join in now and then but PLEASE, just get your facts straight.
No one likes a grass!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 12:25:34 PM
Malcolm, no offense but you're not one of the sensible people. You're a borderline lunatic.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 28, 2010, 12:27:46 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Did I say everyone else's opinion was bollocks then did I Pete? I think you'll find I said two points in particular were bollocks. If you disagree, explain why.
What my knowledge of Villa's finances are. Well, its true I know a few people who know a few people etc. But there's no need to go there as there is plenty of evidence for everybody to see.
- Randy has said there is money to spend, that we dont have to sell players to raise transfer fees (which Pelty has backed up and the General to a degree), that its all about getting the players on big money who dont play off the large wage bill before new players arrive. Which is common sense.
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
That makes sense, thank you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 28, 2010, 12:31:22 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Malcolm, no offense but you're not one of the sensible people. You're a borderline lunatic.
Why thank you
Argument lost I see :)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 12:32:29 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Malcolm, no offense but you're not one of the sensible people. You're a borderline lunatic.
Why thank you
Argument lost I see :)
Yes, I dont know how you do it but I've lost another argument. Damn you!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 28, 2010, 12:33:52 PM
He's a conversational wizard like that - half the time I can't even understand what he's on about!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 12:36:07 PM
Quote from: "John M"
He's a conversational wizard like that - half the time I can't even understand what he's on about!
Its like the Repulican Guard being hammered for a couple of weeks and then saying. "Yeah, that's you telt, Allied pigdog scum! Come back if you want a bit more!"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 28, 2010, 01:03:36 PM
One more request for an end to the bickering and name calling, please.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on July 28, 2010, 01:13:31 PM
I still reckon he'll go, there's surely no way they'll sell us Ireland after us playing hardball over Milner.
Just imagine if we could get him in and keep Ireland though.
Yep, thats a midfield I've suggested a number of times. It would indeed be more than useful.
Far too lightweight.
A strong gust of wind would open that side up.
All five of that lot want to attack first and foremost.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 28, 2010, 01:56:45 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
In your opinion.
Seems to me Mon is saying if there are any others out there keen on Milner, lets see your bids, because Man City negotiations have stalled. Typical Mon brinkmanship
That's exactly what he's saying. Yes, I'm sure of it. What he certainly doesn't want to do is keep one of his best players.
Yes well. The only player he's made any fuss about keeping is Ashley Young, and his recent suggestion Milner wanted away, still refuted by Milner when I last spoke to him via the gate-man, is generally accepted by sensible people as the come and get him, message.
The gate-man? Do you mean warden?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 02:11:14 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
I still reckon he'll go, there's surely no way they'll sell us Ireland after us playing hardball over Milner.
Just imagine if we could get him in and keep Ireland though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: usav on July 28, 2010, 02:19:18 PM
Isn't Delph out until at least October??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 28, 2010, 02:22:23 PM
Yep. No doubt like Downing, Delph will be rushed back and play every game. We have to decide whether to keep NRC and then lose him for nothing next summer or sell him now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 02:27:42 PM
I'd like to keep NRC.
1- We'll most likely need him.
2- What would we get for him anyway with one year left on his contract?
3- He's a decent player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Small Rodent on July 28, 2010, 02:29:39 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'd like to keep NRC.
1- We'll most likely need him.
2- What would we get for him anyway with one year left on his contract?
3- He's a decent player.
Agree with all three, and...
4 - And has played RB!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 28, 2010, 02:31:53 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
In your opinion.
Seems to me Mon is saying if there are any others out there keen on Milner, lets see your bids, because Man City negotiations have stalled. Typical Mon brinkmanship
That's exactly what he's saying. Yes, I'm sure of it. What he certainly doesn't want to do is keep one of his best players.
Yes well. The only player he's made any fuss about keeping is Ashley Young, and his recent suggestion Milner wanted away, still refuted by Milner when I last spoke to him via the gate-man, is generally accepted by sensible people as the come and get him, message.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2010, 02:51:28 PM
Can we please change the title of this thread to "No offers arriving for Milner" or "Offers stop arriving for Milner"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: H00513R on July 28, 2010, 03:05:15 PM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
In your opinion.
Seems to me Mon is saying if there are any others out there keen on Milner, lets see your bids, because Man City negotiations have stalled. Typical Mon brinkmanship
That's exactly what he's saying. Yes, I'm sure of it. What he certainly doesn't want to do is keep one of his best players.
Yes well. The only player he's made any fuss about keeping is Ashley Young, and his recent suggestion Milner wanted away, still refuted by Milner when I last spoke to him via the gate-man, is generally accepted by sensible people as the come and get him, message.
Any nurse that styles bosoms into her hair is alright with me!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Archie on July 28, 2010, 03:42:55 PM
If Milner should decide to remain, I'd be happy. First of all, he is a professional, not a Villa supporter (he is a Leeds supporter, by the way), so I find normal that he has had talks with another club. But he's a nice guy and a serious professional, so I'm absolutely sure that if he remains he'd be committed the 100% to our club. Secondarily, he can play as a central midfielder, but he was born as an attacking-minded winger, and I think that with Jimbo and Downing on the flanks, Young behind the striker, and Petrov and Delph in front of the defence, our current 4-4-1-1 could become a more attractive 4-2-3-1.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on July 28, 2010, 03:47:11 PM
Quote from: "Small Rodent"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'd like to keep NRC.
1- We'll most likely need him.
2- What would we get for him anyway with one year left on his contract?
3- He's a decent player.
Agree with all three, and...
4 - And has played RB!
dissagree with all of them, the man is absolute pants and the quicker we get rid the better
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 03:48:25 PM
Quote from: "Archie"
he was born as an attacking-minded winger.
Ah, so that's why they call his Mum 'Bucket Fanny'.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Archie on July 28, 2010, 04:09:36 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Archie"
he was born as an attacking-minded winger.
Ah, so that's why they call his Mum 'Bucket Fanny'.
Sorry for my poor English, mate, in Italy when a player begins his carreer in a certain role, we say that he was born in that role, but now I realize that in English it sounds quite ridicolous. . .
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 28, 2010, 04:12:27 PM
Quote from: "Archie"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Archie"
he was born as an attacking-minded winger.
Ah, so that's why they call his Mum 'Bucket Fanny'.
Sorry for my poor English, mate, in Italy when a player begins his carreer in a certain role, we say that he was born in that role, but now I realize that in English it sounds quite ridicolous. . .
We use the phrase over here as well, to a certain extent, it's just that I'd imagine Mazrim's humour is even less funny when translated into Italian. ;)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 04:12:42 PM
No need to apologise. I saw an opportunity for a crude cheap laugh and I took it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 28, 2010, 04:15:08 PM
I think delph is out until January? Not sure on the latest on his injury but it will be a long time yet.
It is no good if city to come to us on the last day and march our valuation of milner- if they cannot do it in a week then we should put it to bed and tell them it's not going to happen- we cannot be dangled on a string!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 28, 2010, 04:16:34 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
I still reckon he'll go, there's surely no way they'll sell us Ireland after us playing hardball over Milner.
Just imagine if we could get him in and keep Ireland though.
Yep, thats a midfield I've suggested a number of times. It would indeed be more than useful.
Far too lightweight.
A strong gust of wind would open that side up.
All five of that lot want to attack first and foremost.
Well, I could live with an attack minded team but Milner and especially Delph can get stuck in. Plenty of workrate.
one problem with that Midfield- Stuart $%^$^&& Downing
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 28, 2010, 04:20:06 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Can we please change the title of this thread to "No offers arriving for Milner" or "Offers stop arriving for Milner"
I guess I should change it to something more fitting. It's been going on for months and nothing really happens but people still watch it.. I trust you approve?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 28, 2010, 04:33:32 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "aftab235"
Can we please change the title of this thread to "No offers arriving for Milner" or "Offers stop arriving for Milner"
I guess I should change it to something more fitting. It's been going on for months and nothing really happens but people still watch it.. I trust you approve?
Yes nice one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 28, 2010, 04:49:30 PM
Is it just me or has the last few pages resembled a cat fight at the Queen Vic?
Anyway I'm not as sure we will be Milnerless at the end of the window.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 28, 2010, 05:11:56 PM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bobcat on July 28, 2010, 06:24:59 PM
That pic above isnt Gozer. That is either the gate keeper or the keymaster (Weaver or Moranis). Gozer was the female god with blonde hair and red eyes.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 28, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
Milner the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Heskey! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Heskey that day, I can tell you
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on July 28, 2010, 08:21:43 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Milner the Traveler. He will come in one of the pre-chosen forms. During the rectification of the Vuldrini, the traveler came as a large and moving Torg! Then, during the third reconciliation of the last of the McKetrick supplicants, they chose a new form for him: that of a giant Heskey! Many Shuvs and Zuuls knew what it was to be roasted in the depths of the Heskey that day, I can tell you
Pass me some ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 28, 2010, 08:38:57 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "aftab235"
Can we please change the title of this thread to "No offers arriving for Milner" or "Offers stop arriving for Milner"
I guess I should change it to something more fitting. It's been going on for months and nothing really happens but people still watch it.. I trust you approve?
It is novella, you daft soul boy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 28, 2010, 08:39:38 PM
Here we go...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 09:35:31 PM
Quote from: "bobcat"
That pic above isnt Gozer. That is either the gate keeper or the keymaster (Weaver or Moranis). Gozer was the female god with blonde hair and red eyes.
Yes, exactly, it was the Gate keeper we were talking about. Or Zuul I think it was called. Now, beg for forgiveness!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 28, 2010, 09:37:03 PM
Quote from: "east19"
I think delph is out until January? Not sure on the latest on his injury but it will be a long time yet.
He'll be like a new signing...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on July 28, 2010, 09:39:01 PM
Interesting he makes it clear who puts a price on players and who is negotiating with Man City, has it always been that way I wonder.
So much for those who said they'd spoken to the gate keeper and the deal was done and dusted. Seems the dust may have chance to settle
I thought this bit was interesting
Quote from: "BBC"
"I think the owner [Randy Lerner] puts a price on players. Of course, he will have an idea on the price," explained O'Neill.
"Negotiations are being conducted by the Villa chief executive [Paul Faulkner] and the owner and I will be guided by them."
I don't know precisely why, though. It sounds a bit like distancing himself / being a little standoffish.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on July 28, 2010, 10:00:16 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I thought this bit was interesting
Quote from: "BBC"
"I think the owner [Randy Lerner] puts a price on players. Of course, he will have an idea on the price," explained O'Neill.
"Negotiations are being conducted by the Villa chief executive [Paul Faulkner] and the owner and I will be guided by them."
I don't know precisely why, though. It sounds a bit like distancing himself / being a little standoffish.
Exactly what I meant. He obviously feels it necessary to advise all that he's no longer involved, in such dealings. Perhaps that was part of his need to ask if he still had a job, back before the season end, perhaps as some had suggested he had an inkling of the changed RL was bringing about.
So is Milner going or not. The talk has gone from he wants away, to he will do a great job if he stays.
It also explains his outburst about quitting if they sell Ashley Young, he now obviously has lost that control, which for such a control freak must be very galling.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 28, 2010, 10:22:42 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
No need to apologise. I saw an opportunity for a crude cheap laugh and I took it.
And apart from the laugh bit you cracked it...
I had a crude cheap?
I hope you weren't too offended peter. Aren't you a bit busy being offended on everybody's behalf? Who was it today, the Viet Cong? Muslims again? Mrs Milner? Not bad. Not bad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on July 28, 2010, 10:27:00 PM
Can we stop the sniping please and get back to talking nonsense about football.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bertlambshank on July 28, 2010, 10:40:48 PM
Interesting he makes it clear who puts a price on players and who is negotiating with Man City, has it always been that way I wonder.
So much for those who said they'd spoken to the gate keeper and the deal was done and dusted. Seems the dust may have chance to settle
I thought this bit was interesting
Quote from: "BBC"
"I think the owner [Randy Lerner] puts a price on players. Of course, he will have an idea on the price," explained O'Neill.
"Negotiations are being conducted by the Villa chief executive [Paul Faulkner] and the owner and I will be guided by them."
I don't know precisely why, though. It sounds a bit like distancing himself / being a little standoffish.
MON quotes are getting stranger by the day.He seems under more pressure than the buttons on my shirt.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bob on July 28, 2010, 11:10:06 PM
Pretty sweet if he ends up staying I reckon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on July 28, 2010, 11:17:36 PM
Man City will offer the asking price within an hour to go in the window, thus not giving us time to replace him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 29, 2010, 12:00:42 AM
Quote from: "adrenachrome"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "aftab235"
Can we please change the title of this thread to "No offers arriving for Milner" or "Offers stop arriving for Milner"
I guess I should change it to something more fitting. It's been going on for months and nothing really happens but people still watch it.. I trust you approve?
It is novella, you daft soul boy.
Is if fook, you soft, southern, shandy drinking something or other.
Novella is a si-fi short story. A novela (from the word telenovela) is a boring soap opera that goes on for weeks and weeks without very much happening.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cdbearsfan on July 29, 2010, 12:05:54 AM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
Man City will offer the asking price within an hour to go in the window, thus not giving us time to replace him.
That is definitely a worry.
At least I won't have to change my username though!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 29, 2010, 12:16:37 AM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
Man City will offer the asking price within an hour to go in the window, thus not giving us time to replace him.
And, being completely hamstrung, we'll be forced to sell him. Because, you know, it's what the mighty Man City want.
Get real! If Man City send a fax thru with an hour to go, I'd imagine fits of laughter from the Villa board room.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2010, 02:43:51 AM
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
Man City will offer the asking price within an hour to go in the window, thus not giving us time to replace him.
I fear that may be the case and is why I would like to see us get Flamini in regardless of what happens. We should also inform man city that the price will increase the later they leave their offer.
On the flip side, if man city do leave it late I can see them throwing in all sorts of spare players. There will be a big fire sale there as the window nears closure as they will not want to be holding on to players that are not allowed to play due the 25-man squad thingy.
Strangely it could work to our advantage.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 29, 2010, 02:45:52 AM
Quote from: "Dante Lavelli"
Quote from: "JamesMilnersNo8Shirt"
Man City will offer the asking price within an hour to go in the window, thus not giving us time to replace him.
I fear that may be the case and is why I would like to see us get Flamini in regardless of what happens. We should also inform man city that the price will increase the later they leave their offer.
On the flip side, if man city do leave it late I can see them throwing in all sorts of spare players as part of an exchange. There will be a big fire sale there as the window nears closure as they will not want to be paying players that are not allowed to play due the 25-man squad thingy.
Strangely it could work to our advantage.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 29, 2010, 08:09:01 AM
Let's set Man City a deadline.
If they don't make the bid before the deadline then they don't get the player.
Simples.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 29, 2010, 08:14:28 AM
I'm sure we have or would. If we sold him on the last day without getting a chance to spend the money we'd be the biggest twats going. So we wont.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on July 29, 2010, 08:31:48 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I thought this bit was interesting
Quote from: "BBC"
"I think the owner [Randy Lerner] puts a price on players. Of course, he will have an idea on the price," explained O'Neill.
"Negotiations are being conducted by the Villa chief executive [Paul Faulkner] and the owner and I will be guided by them."
I don't know precisely why, though. It sounds a bit like distancing himself / being a little standoffish.
It also explains his outburst about quitting if they sell Ashley Young, he now obviously has lost that control, which for such a control freak must be very galling.
When did MON come out with this 'outburst' then?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 29, 2010, 08:38:35 AM
Probably in Malcom's dreams. Though to be fair, he likely misheard as he was smearing himself in peanut butter at the time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 29, 2010, 08:38:48 AM
Yes, it's news to me too. Be careful Malcolm. MON will have his Elite team of superlawyers in here faster than you can say larf!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on July 29, 2010, 08:46:40 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I'm sure we have or would. If we sold him on the last day without getting a chance to spend the money we'd be the biggest twats going. So we wont.
Didn't MON say yesterday that he hadn't set a deadline for Milner? I'm not saying it's a bad thing plus his back peddling about the possibility of Milner staying can only be a positive move. Either we get the value we're looking for or we have a player that knows he's wanted by the club. I just hope he doesn't play dirty by refusing a new contract, even if it's just a 12 month extension.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 29, 2010, 10:16:03 AM
Am getting increasingly frustrated now. Just watched Mancini on SSN saying he's still in for Milner.WELL PAY UP OR FUCK OFF YOU GREASY HAIRED SCARF WEARING TWAT !! I wish we'd show our teeth and set a deadline and get some control !! Morning btw :)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 29, 2010, 10:56:41 AM
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Am getting increasingly frustrated now. Just watched Mancini on SSN saying he's still in for Milner.WELL PAY UP OR FUCK OFF YOU GREASY HAIRED SCARF WEARING TWAT !! I wish we'd show our teeth and set a deadline and get some control !! Morning btw :)
Maybe we should just release a statement saying pay up this week or the deals off.
or is martin too interested in the money?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 29, 2010, 11:02:59 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Am getting increasingly frustrated now. Just watched Mancini on SSN saying he's still in for Milner.WELL PAY UP OR FUCK OFF YOU GREASY HAIRED SCARF WEARING TWAT !! I wish we'd show our teeth and set a deadline and get some control !! Morning btw :)
Maybe we should just release a statement saying pay up this week or the deals off.
or is martin too interested in the money?
or is Milner too interested in the money ?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 29, 2010, 11:11:18 AM
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Am getting increasingly frustrated now. Just watched Mancini on SSN saying he's still in for Milner.WELL PAY UP OR FUCK OFF YOU GREASY HAIRED SCARF WEARING TWAT !! I wish we'd show our teeth and set a deadline and get some control !! Morning btw :)
Maybe we should just release a statement saying pay up this week or the deals off.
or is martin too interested in the money?
or is Milner too interested in the money ?
I wouldn't know. Only Martin's speaking.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 29, 2010, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Am getting increasingly frustrated now. Just watched Mancini on SSN saying he's still in for Milner.WELL PAY UP OR FUCK OFF YOU GREASY HAIRED SCARF WEARING TWAT !! I wish we'd show our teeth and set a deadline and get some control !! Morning btw :)
Maybe we should just release a statement saying pay up this week or the deals off.
or is martin too interested in the money?
or is Milner too interested in the money ?
I wouldn't know. Only Martin's speaking.
True, but the fact that Milner hasn't for me speaks volumes
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 29, 2010, 11:36:00 AM
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Am getting increasingly frustrated now. Just watched Mancini on SSN saying he's still in for Milner.WELL PAY UP OR FUCK OFF YOU GREASY HAIRED SCARF WEARING TWAT !! I wish we'd show our teeth and set a deadline and get some control !! Morning btw :)
Maybe we should just release a statement saying pay up this week or the deals off.
or is martin too interested in the money?
or is Milner too interested in the money ?
I wouldn't know. Only Martin's speaking.
True, but the fact that Milner hasn't for me speaks volumes
If Milner says anything he's on a lose lose.
If he speaks out about Martin putting words in his mouth he gets a barry style fine and he's off.
If he says he wants to stay but (as i think) Martin wants the money for him and he goes to Manc. He's pissed off his new fans.
If he says he wants to leave but Man City cannot afford him and he stays. Hes fucked us off.
god knows what the real situation is. but he literally is f*cked if he says anything!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 29, 2010, 11:45:27 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
If Milner says anything he's on a lose lose.
If he speaks out about Martin putting words in his mouth he gets a barry style fine and he's off.
If he says he wants to stay but (as i think) Martin wants the money for him and he goes to Manc. He's pissed off his new fans.
If he says he wants to leave but Man City cannot afford him and he stays. Hes fucked us off.
god knows what the real situation is. but he literally is f*cked if he says anything!
Couldn't disagree more if I rehearsed it:-
If he speaks out he will either say he wants to go or he wants to stay. Saying he wants to go would only help facilitiate the move and saying he wants to stay would mean he does, given that the club has already stated we don't want to sell him.
Anything else is just you reading things into statements that haven't even been made to try and back up the frankly ridiculous notion that Martin's trying to flog him against his wishes!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 29, 2010, 11:47:14 AM
I want us to sell him, else I doubt we'll have any serious money to spend, so we can get 3 good players in to improve us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 29, 2010, 11:57:04 AM
Again, MON isn't negoiating this business, Randy and Paul Faulkner are.
If only he was the evil genius he was made out to be.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on July 29, 2010, 12:23:17 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I want us to sell him, else I doubt we'll have any serious money to spend, so we can get 3 good players in to improve us.
As I strongly suspected, it's looking more and more that way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 29, 2010, 12:29:20 PM
I don't think we NEED it, but then we can only know on 01/09 when we add up the ins and outs and look at our net spend.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2010, 12:39:00 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
If Milner says anything he's on a lose lose.
If he speaks out about Martin putting words in his mouth he gets a barry style fine and he's off.
If he says he wants to stay but (as i think) Martin wants the money for him and he goes to Manc. He's pissed off his new fans.
If he says he wants to leave but Man City cannot afford him and he stays. Hes fucked us off.
god knows what the real situation is. but he literally is f*cked if he says anything!
Couldn't disagree more if I rehearsed it:-
If he speaks out he will either say he wants to go or he wants to stay. Saying he wants to go would only help facilitiate the move and saying he wants to stay would mean he does, given that the club has already stated we don't want to sell him.
Anything else is just you reading things into statements that haven't even been made to try and back up the frankly ridiculous notion that Martin's trying to flog him against his wishes!
Maybe he hasn't made his mind up?
If I were talking to a club about the possibility of a new contract, then I wouldn't be saying anything to the press. What would be in it for me?
I sometimes think we forget these players are not supporters, they're employees of the club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 29, 2010, 02:03:35 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I want us to sell him, else I doubt we'll have any serious money to spend, so we can get 3 good players in to improve us.
What tells you a) we don't have any money b) haven't tried to sign any players already only for them to not be interested or our bids have been rejected?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on July 29, 2010, 02:16:20 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
If Milner says anything he's on a lose lose.
If he speaks out about Martin putting words in his mouth he gets a barry style fine and he's off.
If he says he wants to stay but (as i think) Martin wants the money for him and he goes to Manc. He's pissed off his new fans.
If he says he wants to leave but Man City cannot afford him and he stays. Hes fucked us off.
god knows what the real situation is. but he literally is f*cked if he says anything!
Couldn't disagree more if I rehearsed it:-
If he speaks out he will either say he wants to go or he wants to stay. Saying he wants to go would only help facilitiate the move and saying he wants to stay would mean he does, given that the club has already stated we don't want to sell him.
Anything else is just you reading things into statements that haven't even been made to try and back up the frankly ridiculous notion that Martin's trying to flog him against his wishes!
Milner can't win if he says anything so is best off just keeping it shut. Milner is a good egg and is doing the right thing by keeping a lid on it.
I'd rather have Milner stay and MON go if there was a choice though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 29, 2010, 02:31:20 PM
I think it's as simple as him wanting to go but being far from unhappy at Villa. A bit like Fabregas, only with infinitely less honour.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 29, 2010, 03:13:25 PM
Fair play to Milner for keeping schtum, he is a canny lad and knows there is nothing to be gained.
Villa have told him that they will let him speak to Man City (or any club presumably) if they match our asking price (thought to be £30m).
It's what we did with Barry, it's how we operate.
If Man City don't stump up, then there is no decision for Milner to make.
I hadn't seen this quote regarding Monaday's meeting between the club and Milner/agent...
The manager said: "We met on Monday, and the word amicable was quite right. I suppose I could use the old Cloughie line that we chatted for 20 minutes and decided I was right all along!"
The Sun - Clicky (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3073043/ONeill-Villa-cant-stop-Man-City.html#ixzz0v51xNTkB)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 29, 2010, 03:43:32 PM
I'm none too sure he'll be leaving this summer any more.
He'll pull up his socks and keep is head down if he stays I think and hope.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2010, 04:00:46 PM
Milner deal looks off -
Milner thinks it will collaspe
( until next year ))
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 29, 2010, 04:02:37 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Milner deal looks off -
Milner thinks it will collaspe
( until next year ))
Due to our asking price?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 29, 2010, 04:03:38 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Milner deal looks off -
Milner thinks it will collaspe
( until next year ))
Have you seen this anywhere?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2010, 04:04:49 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
Milner deal looks off -
Milner thinks it will collaspe
( until next year ))
Have you seen this anywhere?
I know for a fact mate.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2010, 04:05:30 PM
Its what he feels... not saying alot.. The clubs aint saying alot neither
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ronshirt on July 29, 2010, 04:07:33 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Villa have told him that they will let him speak to Man City (or any club presumably) if they match our asking price (thought to be £30m).
It's what we did with Barry, it's how we operate.
I quite like this stance. Either Man City come up with the figure that's a lot nearer to the £30m or presumably they have a word with Milner's agent to persuade him to put in a transfer request to shave £3m off the price. That should concentrate minds.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 29, 2010, 04:09:10 PM
Well JP I sincerely hope you're right.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 29, 2010, 04:09:58 PM
Olneythelonely thinks there are legs in this yet.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 29, 2010, 04:10:24 PM
Would you know if he feels content to stay at the club?
I don't think he's the type to throw a tantrum and be a twat but I don't know for sure.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on July 29, 2010, 04:11:12 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Well JP I sincerely hope you're right.
Well thats what James feels..I can only tell you what James is saying....
We should get him on a new contract then at 70k now, If the bastards think they are going to get him cheaper next summer
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 29, 2010, 04:11:39 PM
Quote from: "olneythelonely"
Olneythelonely thinks there are legs in this yet.
Dum dum dum, dummy doo wah Ooh yay, yay, yay, yeah Oh oh oh, oh oh ah
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 29, 2010, 05:13:53 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I want us to sell him, else I doubt we'll have any serious money to spend, so we can get 3 good players in to improve us.
What tells you a) we don't have any money b) haven't tried to sign any players already only for them to not be interested or our bids have been rejected?
Gut feeling really. We've not had any serious links to anyone this summer and I doubt we've put an offer in for anyone.
It's getting stale and very boring.
If we go into next season with the squad we've got now then I can't see us finishing in the top 6 again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rancid custard on July 29, 2010, 05:51:17 PM
Quote from: "ronshirt"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Villa have told him that they will let him speak to Man City (or any club presumably) if they match our asking price (thought to be £30m).
It's what we did with Barry, it's how we operate.
I quite like this stance. Either Man City come up with the figure that's a lot nearer to the £30m or presumably they have a word with Milner's agent to persuade him to put in a transfer request to shave £3m off the price. That should concentrate minds.
You'd think that after the whole Barry saga with the Scousers that more teams would take note that MON is not one top be trifled with if they want one of our best players. pay the asking price or fuck off - and when you get there fuck off some more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: rob1972 on July 29, 2010, 05:58:34 PM
Why keep him to loose £10m on him next summer? He will have no interest in signing a new contract so we will loose money on him like we did on Barry! we might not let other clubs take the piss but we still loose in the long term!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 29, 2010, 06:01:32 PM
If he stays we will end up having to sell Jin next year for about £12m or risk getting nothing a year later.
If £24m is offered I'd snatch their hands off, we can rebuild a bit with that kind of money, if not I see us just stagnating.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2010, 06:04:31 PM
Just had the latest from the club's relentless spam output, encouraging me to "follow the lads in Portugal", and there's only a great big pic of Milner training (clearly today) on it.
OMG.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 29, 2010, 06:12:39 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If he stays we will end up having to sell Jin next year for about £12m or risk getting nothing a year later.
If £24m is offered I'd snatch their hands off, we can rebuild a bit with that kind of money, if not I see us just stagnating.
then Ashley,then Gabby we'll be constanly rebuilding if our best players are prised away from us without a fight
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 29, 2010, 06:49:19 PM
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Quote from: "east19"
If he stays we will end up having to sell Jin next year for about £12m or risk getting nothing a year later.
If £24m is offered I'd snatch their hands off, we can rebuild a bit with that kind of money, if not I see us just stagnating.
then Ashley,then Gabby we'll be constanly rebuilding if our best players are prised away from us without a fight
Without a fight? Jesus fucking wept that is rubbish. If we discourage them from signing him by asking for a ridiculous fee (He is nothing like a £30million player) I think that is a fight somehow.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 29, 2010, 06:53:29 PM
Quote from: "east19"
If he stays we will end up having to sell Jin next year for about £12m or risk getting nothing a year later.
If £24m is offered I'd snatch their hands off, we can rebuild a bit with that kind of money, if not I see us just stagnating.
If we do that then clubs know that if we quote a price we don't mean it. They pay what we ask or they fuck off and we keep our best player of last season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 29, 2010, 06:59:06 PM
And they come back in a year and get him for £12m- Im sure if mon said let's take the £24m chris, you would be the first on here praising him saying how great a deal mon has got us.
If he doesn't sign a new contract take the money on offer now and move on!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 29, 2010, 07:12:41 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
Quote from: "VILLALWAYS"
Quote from: "east19"
If he stays we will end up having to sell Jin next year for about £12m or risk getting nothing a year later.
If £24m is offered I'd snatch their hands off, we can rebuild a bit with that kind of money, if not I see us just stagnating.
then Ashley,then Gabby we'll be constanly rebuilding if our best players are prised away from us without a fight
Without a fight? Jesus fucking wept that is rubbish. If we discourage them from signing him by asking for a ridiculous fee (He is nothing like a £30million player) I think that is a fight somehow.
But money is no object supposedly. All Shitty are bothered about is looking like mugs well I'm sorry the price is supposedly 30 million not 24 million.We didn't want or need to sell him.Pay top wack or fuck off
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 29, 2010, 07:20:53 PM
Sorry VILLALWAYS I have the wrong end of the stick here. I was just back in at the time and my mind and concentration must have been all over the place.
I must have read only what you posted without reading properly what you quoted from east19 (I thought you were on about losing him without a fight later on after standing firm). I agree with you. They should pay what we want. We don't as Mazrim put it the other day want them to wipe their dick on our curtains. £30million or £20million plus Ireland for me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 29, 2010, 07:27:20 PM
Quote from: TheSandman
Sorry VILLALWAYS I have the wrong end of the stick here. I was just back in at the time and my mind and concentration must have been all over the place.
I must have read only what you posted without reading properly what you quoted from east19 (I thought you were on about losing him without a fight later on after standing firm). I agree with you. They should pay what we want. We don't as Mazrim put it the other day want them to wipe their dick on our curtains. £30million or £20million plus Ireland for me.[/ quote]
No Problem :)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 29, 2010, 07:36:41 PM
Well a week after MON telling the world's press he wanted to leave and he's still here. So much for the "MON calls Citeh's bluff for a quick sale" theory. I pray to god we're not waiting for him to go before buying 'cos we could have a long wait :0(
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: exigo on July 29, 2010, 07:50:17 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Well a week after MON telling the world's press he wanted to leave and he's still here. So much for the "MON calls Citeh's bluff for a quick sale" theory. I pray to god we're not waiting for him to go before buying 'cos we could have a long wait :0(
Don't let the facts get in the way of your miserabism, will you. This was his full quote, which hasn't been contradicted by subsequent events:
Quote from: "Martin O'Neill"
“James and his agent came to see us before the World Cup and intimated that they would like to go. If that is the case, then Manchester City made the offer, which we told them about. “There is a difference of valuation at this moment between the buying club and the selling club. That may well be resolved and if that is the case then absolutely fine. I think James’ agent has told our chief executive that he wouldn’t be signing a new contract. Obviously that puts a different slant on things. If a fee is agreed, at the end of the day, the player can leave.”
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 29, 2010, 07:54:32 PM
bottom line is it hasn't flushed Citeh out like some claimed it would. All it did was piss Milner off. If anything IMO its made it less likely Citeh will move early as they know he wants to leave and they're in no rush as they have about 10 midfielders already
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 29, 2010, 08:00:12 PM
Greg, he's told Man City nothing. They already knew he wants to leave, as did the rest of us. It's just clarified the situation to everyone - if Man City cough up £30m, they'll get him, if they don't, they won't. It's that simple. There's no conspiracy, no little plots to try and force City's hand, there's just a player and his price.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Greg N'Ash on July 29, 2010, 08:04:11 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Greg, he's told Man City nothing. They already knew he wants to leave, as did the rest of us. It's just clarified the situation to everyone - if Man City cough up £30m, they'll get him, if they don't, they won't. It's that simple. There's no conspiracy, no little plots to try and force City's hand, there's just a player and his price.
hey, you don't need to convince me there's no plan. It was just a stupid theory put forward last week by a few on here trying to look for a logical reason for telling the press that the player wants out
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 29, 2010, 09:04:15 PM
Can I just say that Milner is not going any where. On return from Portugal he will sign an extention to his contract.
Drink up your milk and go to bed!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ROBBO on July 29, 2010, 09:12:56 PM
Don't understand Citys part in all this, they clearly have good players they can offer as an incentive, say Ireland and twenty mil but it seems they are reluctant.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 29, 2010, 09:14:56 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Can I just say that Milner is not going any where. On return from Portugal he will sign an extention to his contract.
Drink up your milk and go to bed!
Aftab, this obsessive optimism thing you've got going on with the Milner situation - I love it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hawkeye on July 29, 2010, 10:56:42 PM
the simple fact is that MON needs the money more than Mancini needs Milner
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 29, 2010, 11:05:01 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Can I just say that Milner is not going any where. On return from Portugal he will sign an extention to his contract.
Drink up your milk and go to bed!
I can't wait to see some of the frantic backtracking that is going to go on here if he does do that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 29, 2010, 11:20:29 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
the simple fact is that MON needs the money more than Mancini needs Milner
This
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 29, 2010, 11:46:18 PM
Quote from: "hawkeye"
the simple fact is that MON needs the money more than Mancini needs Milner
Says who?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 30, 2010, 12:01:40 AM
From The Mirror
Quote
Villa and City to compromise on £28m for Milner
Published 23:00 29/07/10 By James Nursey
James Milner’s departure from Aston Villa to Man City seems inevitable once the two clubs can agree a fee.
City have already had a staggering £24.6 million bid for Milner turned down by Villa.
Insiders claim that the move will go through at £28 million, but both clubs are digging in over their valuations - and possible swaps have been dismissed so far.
Stephen Ireland - told he is out of the City plans by Roberto Mancini - and far-travelled Craig Bellamy are two of the players that Villa can take.
But so far the only offer is cash and that is not enough as Villa chief O’Neill wants more to land the players he wants to bring in.
Villa know they would need around £11 million to get Aiden McGeady out of his old club Celtic, an inflated fee because of previous interest in the Republic of Ireland trickster from Russian side Spartak Moscow.
Read more: http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/news/Transfer-news-Aston-Villa-and-Manchester-City-to-compromise-on-28m-for-James-Milner-article541399.html#ixzz0v7CXS8hv Sign up for MirrorFootball's Morning Spy newsletter Register here
£28million is a good price for us.
Like how he describes McGeady as a trickster. It suggest we are going to get conned. I wonder if Robert Vaughn will play his agent?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 12:01:58 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
the simple fact is that MON needs the money more than Mancini needs Milner
Says who?
Hang on, though, in this thread you've been telling us quite forthrightly how we absolutely do not need the money, but then revealed yourself that it's just stuff you've heard, and not really concrete
It seems a bit ironic then to go the "says who" route on hawkeye.
Maybe we really don't have a clue either way. Any of us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: alan_clarke on July 30, 2010, 12:55:24 AM
ever bid for an item on ebay that you dont really need, only to see the price go up a few pound? does your ego make you bid again since you can easily afford to or let some other schmuck get one over on you? of course you bid again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 01:09:53 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
the simple fact is that MON needs the money more than Mancini needs Milner
Says who?
Hang on, though, in this thread you've been telling us quite forthrightly how we absolutely do not need the money, but then revealed yourself that it's just stuff you've heard, and not really concrete
It seems a bit ironic then to go the "says who" route on hawkeye.
Maybe we really don't have a clue either way. Any of us.
Firstly, I havent claimed anything as a fact. Secondly, I've backed up my reasoning with actual statements from people either very well connected to the club or who actually own it.
So I'm quite entitled to ask "says who". I am genuinely asking who has said we need to sell Milner to raise money. Just one even remotely tangible link to anybody connected to the club in any way shape or form saying we need to sell Milner to raise money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Hazz on July 30, 2010, 02:55:48 AM
Quote from: "alan_clarke"
ever bid for an item on ebay that you dont really need, only to see the price go up a few pound? does your ego make you bid again since you can easily afford to or let some other schmuck get one over on you? of course you bid again.
You have too much money, sir.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 30, 2010, 08:19:12 AM
Quote from: "east19"
And they come back in a year and get him for £12m- Im sure if mon said let's take the £24m chris, you would be the first on here praising him saying how great a deal mon has got us.
If he doesn't sign a new contract take the money on offer now and move on!
What a stupid thing to say. Just because you change your mind more often than you wash it doesn't mean we're all like that.
I will be extremely annoyed if Randy (he's doing the negotiating remember) now backs down and does a cut price deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 30, 2010, 08:24:54 AM
So if milner refuses to sign a new deal you would be prepared to let him go in a year for half the price or walk away on a free a year later?
Man city can turn their attention elsewhere, milner is not worth £24m which would be more than a decent fee-if he doesn't want to stay as mon has said then it's best to take tbe money now and get players who are committed to Aston villa.
Far better to be prepared to change your mind and opinions than be stuck in a one dimensional mindset where you believe you are always right and they are always wrong.
I know this will come as a shock to you but martin o neill does make mistakes and plenty of them !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on July 30, 2010, 08:50:05 AM
Quote from: "east19"
So if milner refuses to sign a new deal you would be prepared to let him go in a year for half the price or walk away on a free a year later?
You're assuming: (a) Man City will still want him in a year having signed no-one else suitable. (b) Milner wnats away from Villa Park nomatter what.
Neither of those I think are credible.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 08:50:28 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "hawkeye"
the simple fact is that MON needs the money more than Mancini needs Milner
Says who?
Hang on, though, in this thread you've been telling us quite forthrightly how we absolutely do not need the money, but then revealed yourself that it's just stuff you've heard, and not really concrete
It seems a bit ironic then to go the "says who" route on hawkeye.
Maybe we really don't have a clue either way. Any of us.
Firstly, I havent claimed anything as a fact.
Secondly, I've backed up my reasoning with actual statements from people either very well connected to the club or who actually own it.
Well, you were making it sound like fact that we'd offered him the biggest contract ever offered to a player by Villa the other day, but I was referring to your exchange with Pete3206 a few pages back, which came down to you'd heard some stuff / read some stuff in the paper / interpreted what MON had said etc - ie exactly like the rest of us.
My point was that, ultimately, none of us know more than the other, so we're all largely engaging in guess work based on snippets in the press.
Does anyone really think that we really know what Villa's transfer position is this summer? Does anyone think that if we needed to sell Milner to raise money for signings we'd actually know about it? The club are far too canny for that.
Quote from: "Mazrim"
So I'm quite entitled to ask "says who". I am genuinely asking who has said we need to sell Milner to raise money.
Of course you're entitled to ask "says who", I'm just pointing out that you shouldn't be surprised when people ask the same thing of you (as they did a few pages back).
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Just one even remotely tangible link to anybody connected to the club in any way shape or form saying we need to sell Milner to raise money.
See above point. They're not going to tell us one way or the other, and even if they do make a statement on it, I would hope it would be mired in a haze of "well, it might be true, or they might be lying".
To repeat, what on earth would be gained by us telling anyone what our transfer situation is? In the same way Milner stands to gain nothing by coming out and pledging his allegiance to the club, the club stands to gain nothing by saying any more on this situation than they have - which is very, very little.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 30, 2010, 08:52:47 AM
Quote from: "east19"
So if milner refuses to sign a new deal you would be prepared to let him go in a year for half the price or walk away on a free a year later?
Man city can turn their attention elsewhere, milner is not worth £24m which would be more than a decent fee-if he doesn't want to stay as mon has said then it's best to take tbe money now and get players who are committed to Aston villa.
Far better to be prepared to change your mind and opinions than be stuck in a one dimensional mindset where you believe you are always right and they are always wrong.
I know this will come as a shock to you but martin o neill does make mistakes and plenty of them !
It's nothing to do with O'Neill, my view (that's MINE, get it) is that we shouldn't back down. Who knows what the relative psoitions of the two clubs will be next year or if they'll still want him. For now, we stick to our guns and make them pay what we think he is worth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 08:55:15 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
It's nothing to do with O'Neill, my view (that's MINE, get it) is that we shouldn't back down. Who knows what the relative psoitions of the two clubs will be next year or if they'll still want him. For now, we stick to our guns and make them pay what we think he is worth.
I agree.
Also, knowing that they seem to have a ten second attention span when it comes to transfers (a new target every day, record signings edging towards the door after one season, buying anyone so long as they're expensive), there is every chance they'll get bored and switch their attentions elsewhere.
I think they're unlikely to leave it till the last moment, for that reason.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on July 30, 2010, 09:06:24 AM
£11m for McGeady?! Shouldn't there be a decimal point in there?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 09:10:59 AM
O'Neill can't really be prepared to spend £10m on McGeady can he? I'm not one for owners interfering in the football side of business, but if I was Lerner there's no way I'd sanction that. £22m on Downing and McGeady doesn't strike me as the best use of funds if I'm honest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 09:13:46 AM
Quote from: "The Man With A Stick"
£11m for McGeady?! Shouldn't there be a decimal point in there?
Yeah - £.11m!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 09:16:22 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
O'Neill can't really be prepared to spend £10m on McGeady can he? I'm not one for owners interfering in the football side of business, but if I was Lerner there's no way I'd sanction that. £22m on Downing and McGeady doesn't strike me as the best use of funds if I'm honest.
Although I agree with you about the relative merits of McGeady as a player, were we not saying similar things when about to sign Ash Young and Milner? We can argue until we're blue in the face about his general transfer record, but when he's chosen to spend big he's gotten it right.
Someone can now throw Downing in my face.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 09:21:48 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Risso"
O'Neill can't really be prepared to spend £10m on McGeady can he? I'm not one for owners interfering in the football side of business, but if I was Lerner there's no way I'd sanction that. £22m on Downing and McGeady doesn't strike me as the best use of funds if I'm honest.
Although I agree with you about the relative merits of McGeady as a player, were we not saying similar things when about to sign Ash Young and Milner? We can argue until we're blue in the face about his general transfer record, but when he's chosen to spend big he's gotten it right.
Someone can now throw Downing in my face.....
Davies isn't looking like it was the best of deals now.
Regardless of the fee, Downing, Ash, McGeady, Albrighton - aren't these pretty much all the same type of player?
How many wingers do we need?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 09:23:04 AM
A genuine question for all those critical of MON over his handling of the situation - what would you have done differently?
Situation; world's richest club has bid for your star player and he's said he wants to go. Althought the bid was rejected, the interest remains and it does have a bearing on the rest of your summer plans. Do you:- a) keep quiet and hope it goes away? b) try to force the issue to a quick resolution?
If you go for A, you run the risk of it getting resolved (as in they meet the valuation) so late in the summer that you're screwed. With B, it's sort of a 'call my bluff' gambit that can't make the situation too much worse, other than pissing off the player a bit. Personally, I won't lose any sleep over a player who's said he doesn't want to play for us anymore getting all upset!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 30, 2010, 09:23:57 AM
and so we sit here tearing each other apart whilst the club remain quiet.
Its fairly simple isnt it?
Randy: "i want x million"
Man city: "we will only play Y Million"
Randy: "well thats not enough."
CASE. CLOSED.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 09:25:14 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Davies isn't looking like it was the best of deals now.
Regardless of the fee, Downing, Ash, McGeady, Albrighton - aren't these pretty much all the same type of player?
How many wingers do we need?
I'll give you Davies, but I think that's more circumstance than it is a lack of ability.
As for how many wingers, I'd say 4 so that we have a balanced squad with 2 players for every position. Hang on a minute.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 09:27:32 AM
The concept of being able to swap sides renders the need for four wingers pretty redundant, I'd have thought.
Certainly four wingers of whom three cost ten million pounds or so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 09:29:53 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
The concept of being able to swap sides renders the need for four wingers pretty redundant, I'd have thought.
Certainly four wingers of whom three cost ten million pounds or so.
Don't forget Milner was signed as a winger. If we buy McGeady that would be 4 wingers who cost £10m or over. In the mean time, the most he's spent on a forward is £4.5m on Harewood. Absolute madness.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: *shellac* on July 30, 2010, 09:35:26 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
In the mean time, the most he's spent on a forward is £4.5m on Harewood. Absolute madness.
Correct. Harewood for £4.5m = Absolute Madness.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 09:35:55 AM
Swapping sides during a game is a tactical thing. Having two players for each position is an issue of squad depth.
As for having 4 over £10m, I think that's misleading as Milner should be discounted due to either a) he'll be playing central if he stays or b) he's going to go. Let's not forget he tried for Zaki and RSC upfront, who would both be £10m+ strikers, so maybe it's not by choice we haven't spent heavily up top? And if we had a winger comparable to Gabby's ability and age emerging through the squad we would have bought 1 less £10m winger, IMO!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 09:36:53 AM
Ireland's staying in Manchester, apparently, so that's that option off the menu.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Reuben on July 30, 2010, 09:37:13 AM
Has nobody pointed out that novella has 2 l's yet?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 09:38:02 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Swapping sides during a game is a tactical thing. Having two players for each position is an issue of squad depth.
As for having 4 over £10m, I think that's misleading as Milner should be discounted due to either a) he'll be playing central if he stays or b) he's going to go. Let's not forget he tried for Zaki and RSC upfront, who would both be £10m+ strikers, so maybe it's not by choice we haven't spent heavily up top? And if we had a winger comparable to Gabby's ability and age emerging through the squad we would have bought 1 less £10m winger, IMO!
So, we may not have spent any money on decent strikers, but at least we tried?
Even ignoring Milner, three 10m pound wingers would be a bit excessive, surely?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 09:38:29 AM
Quote from: "Reuben"
Has nobody pointed out that novella has 2 l's yet?
I edited it, then Kelly came up with some "it's Portugese" nonsense and changed it back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on July 30, 2010, 09:39:07 AM
Quote from: "Reuben"
Has nobody pointed out that novella has 2 l's yet?
In this context, one 'l' is the correct version.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on July 30, 2010, 09:40:25 AM
im sure if milner is available in a year at £12m and in the last year of his contract , there would be more than just man city after him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 09:46:10 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "John M"
Swapping sides during a game is a tactical thing. Having two players for each position is an issue of squad depth.
As for having 4 over £10m, I think that's misleading as Milner should be discounted due to either a) he'll be playing central if he stays or b) he's going to go. Let's not forget he tried for Zaki and RSC upfront, who would both be £10m+ strikers, so maybe it's not by choice we haven't spent heavily up top? And if we had a winger comparable to Gabby's ability and age emerging through the squad we would have bought 1 less £10m winger, IMO!
So, we may not have spent any money on decent strikers, but at least we tried?
Even ignoring Milner, three 10m pound wingers would be a bit excessive, surely?
How may do our competitors have? Spurs had Lennon coming through, so similar to our striking situation with Gabby, plus Modric and Bentley. Man City do and Everton don't. Liverpool have that dutch lad who's name escapes me who was, plus Benayoun who wasn't and Kuyt who I'm not sure about. Wing play is a large part of our game, so it would make sense a large part of our budget is spent there.
And besides, I'd be hoping to get Mc Geady for a lot less than £10m!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 09:47:48 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Well, you were making it sound like fact that we'd offered him the biggest contract ever offered to a player by Villa the other day, but I was referring to your exchange with Pete3206 a few pages back, which came down to you'd heard some stuff / read some stuff in the paper / interpreted what MON had said etc - ie exactly like the rest of us.
Its your opinion that I made it sound like fact. Although I think we did discuss a significant new contract with him, I didn't say it was a fact. Hawkeye was claiming it was a simple fact that if we dont sell Milner, we dont have money to spend. That's the difference. The only places I've seen that claimed apart from on forums is idiots like James Nursey.
Re: My exchange with Pete3206 a few pages back. I explained fully my reasoning and used more than simply "heard some stuff / read some stuff in the paper / interpreted what MON had said etc". Pete was apparently satisfied with my reasoning too.
You chimed in claiming it was ironic that I was asking for any credible evidence that we need to sell Milner because there isnt any as I see it, whereas I've provided plenty of reasoning and evidence to the contrary. How is that ironic? It isnt really is it.
I dont really want to get bogged down in massive point by point quotathons and semantics, so I'll just ask (anybody) again and try and keep it to one simple point. Where is the evidence that we need to sell Milner or, if you like, that the club was/is encouraging it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 09:50:42 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I dont really want to get bogged down in massive point by point quotathons and semantics, so I'll just ask (anybody) again and try and keep it to one simple point. Where is the evidence that we need to sell Milner or, if you like, that the club was/is encouraging it?
Somebody saying "it's a fact" is just a stronger way of saying "in my opinion" isn't it? Of course it isn't a fact really. There's no way of proving whether we need the money more than they need Milner or not.
My feeling is that we do though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 09:55:19 AM
If we play with two wingers or if we're planning to play with two wingers most of the time, we need four.
I agree that McGeady probably shouldn't be one of them.
Having said that, Young can play as a second striker, Downing and Albrighton probably cant. Downing can supposedly play in midfield, Albrighton and Young probably cant...etc. They're not exactly the same but I'd rather prioritise a striker, right back and playmaker first.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on July 30, 2010, 09:56:08 AM
Quote from: "east19"
im sure if milner is available in a year at £12m and in the last year of his contract , there would be more than just man city after him.
We've named our price this year and it's around 30 million.We can't back down now!If they want him they can afford it and we don't need or want to sell
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 09:58:16 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I dont really want to get bogged down in massive point by point quotathons and semantics, so I'll just ask (anybody) again and try and keep it to one simple point. Where is the evidence that we need to sell Milner or, if you like, that the club was/is encouraging it?
Somebody saying "it's a fact" is just a stronger way of saying "in my opinion" isn't it? Of course it isn't a fact really. There's no way of proving whether we need the money more than they need Milner or not.
My feeling is that we do though.
Well, no. Its a way of claiming there is no doubt about it. End of discussion. It has been proven beyond doubt etc. If somebody if saying "I have a feeling we need to sell Milner" I'll say fair enough although I have no idea the basis for it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 09:59:24 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
You chimed in claiming it was ironic that I was asking for any credible evidence that we need to sell Milner because there isnt any as I see it, whereas I've provided plenty of reasoning and evidence to the contrary. How is that ironic? It isnt really is it.
Because you didn't, that's why.
I chimed in because on this thread, you've been most forthright in your belief that your opinions are correct (which is your right, as I said, if you feel that way), but when someone else does the same thing, your reply is "Says who?"
Where are the "facts" below, for example?
Randy said every club has to sell to buy to a certain extent and was as unclear as you'd expect (and probably want) him to be, and the General was non commital.
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Did I say everyone else's opinion was bollocks then did I Pete? I think you'll find I said two points in particular were bollocks. If you disagree, explain why.
What my knowledge of Villa's finances are. Well, its true I know a few people who know a few people etc. But there's no need to go there as there is plenty of evidence for everybody to see.
- Randy has said there is money to spend, that we dont have to sell players to raise transfer fees (which Pelty has backed up and the General to a degree), that its all about getting the players on big money who dont play off the large wage bill before new players arrive. Which is common sense.
- The latest developments with Milner clearly show we are not actively trying to sell Milner to raise funds to buy players as I (amongst others) have said all along.
There you go. The two points I took issue with and my reasoning for doing so.
As i said, you know what we all know, stuff in the paper, stuff you've read on here, and in the last point, something which comes down to your own interpretation.
I'm not even disagreeing with you, incidentally, I'm just saying that the whole "says who" thing could be levelled at a lot of things you've posted on here, too, but it doesn't stop you from being every bit as forthright as Hawkeye was.
As Risso pointed out, they're opinions - all the arguments and counter arguments.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 10:01:18 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Swapping sides during a game is a tactical thing. Having two players for each position is an issue of squad depth.
As for having 4 over £10m, I think that's misleading as Milner should be discounted due to either a) he'll be playing central if he stays or b) he's going to go. Let's not forget he tried for Zaki and RSC upfront, who would both be £10m+ strikers, so maybe it's not by choice we haven't spent heavily up top? And if we had a winger comparable to Gabby's ability and age emerging through the squad we would have bought 1 less £10m winger, IMO!
Wow, Zaki and RSC. As ever, if you're going to limit yourself to buying from other british clubs, it's always going to be hard.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 10:03:53 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we play with two wingers or if we're planning to play with two wingers most of the time, we need four.
I agree that McGeady probably shouldn't be one of them.
Having said that, Young can play as a second striker, Downing and Albrighton probably cant. Downing can supposedly play in midfield, Albrighton and Young probably cant...etc. They're not exactly the same but I'd rather prioritise a striker, right back and playmaker first.
Downing's having a hard enough time playing on the wing at the moment. I'd say he has to get back to his best before being thinking about being shunted elsewhere. Young can play as a second striker, but hasn't for over two years now. We need a proper, honest to goodness striker, who's better than Harewood or Heskey. How hard can that be?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 10:09:28 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "John M"
Swapping sides during a game is a tactical thing. Having two players for each position is an issue of squad depth.
As for having 4 over £10m, I think that's misleading as Milner should be discounted due to either a) he'll be playing central if he stays or b) he's going to go. Let's not forget he tried for Zaki and RSC upfront, who would both be £10m+ strikers, so maybe it's not by choice we haven't spent heavily up top? And if we had a winger comparable to Gabby's ability and age emerging through the squad we would have bought 1 less £10m winger, IMO!
Wow, Zaki and RSC. As ever, if you're going to limit yourself to buying from other british clubs, it's always going to be hard.
I wouldn't have wanted either player either, but if the argument is that we're spending on wingers to the detriment of the strikers, that view does need to be balanced with the fact that we have tried for strikers and had no joy, so it's not necessarily purely by choice we have that imbalance.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 10:12:13 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "John M"
Swapping sides during a game is a tactical thing. Having two players for each position is an issue of squad depth.
As for having 4 over £10m, I think that's misleading as Milner should be discounted due to either a) he'll be playing central if he stays or b) he's going to go. Let's not forget he tried for Zaki and RSC upfront, who would both be £10m+ strikers, so maybe it's not by choice we haven't spent heavily up top? And if we had a winger comparable to Gabby's ability and age emerging through the squad we would have bought 1 less £10m winger, IMO!
Wow, Zaki and RSC. As ever, if you're going to limit yourself to buying from other british clubs, it's always going to be hard.
I wouldn't have wanted either player either, but if the argument is that we're spending on wingers to the detriment of the strikers, that view does need to be balanced with the fact that we have tried for strikers and had no joy, so it's not necessarily purely by choice we have that imbalance.
He's been trying for four years now, though, so surely that argument must be wearing a bit thin?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 10:14:39 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
He's been trying for four years now, though, so surely that argument must be wearing a bit thin?
Thin? As threadbare as a pair of Dave Woodhall's trousers.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 10:19:16 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
He's been trying for four years now, though, so surely that argument must be wearing a bit thin?
Has he?
Joins summer 2006 and no time - only a midfielder he already knew brought in.
Jan 2007 sings a good'un in the shape of Carew.
Summer 2007, we don't need an expensive first choice as Carew's looking good and Gabby is developing well, so bought a reserve. Let's skip past that one!
Summer 2008 - from here I'd agree we should/could have been after one.
I'd say it's two years where he's struggled to get us a striker to kick us on a level!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 10:21:36 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
He's been trying for four years now, though, so surely that argument must be wearing a bit thin?
Has he?
Joins summer 2006 and no time - only a midfielder he already knew brought in.
Jan 2007 sings a good'un in the shape of Carew.
Summer 2007, we don't need an expensive first choice as Carew's looking good and Gabby is developing well, so bought a reserve. Let's skip past that one!
Summer 2008 - from here I'd agree we should/could have been after one.
I'd say it's two years where he's struggled to get us a striker to kick us on a level!
But surely now you're arguing the opposite - ie that for half of that time, we were't even trying to sign a striker, and for the other half, we tried but failed? *wink*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 10:27:40 AM
Just trying to offer a balanced few of things, Paulie. Ever notice that just about everything we argue about on here comes down to strikers?
1. Two most controversial signings are both strikers. 2. Style of play is disliked, but arguably suits our strikers who rely on pace and power. 3. Striker is one of the two postiions we've bought from overseas for.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 10:38:11 AM
Actually Paulie, I believe I did. But here you go, in more detail. My "evidence" vs as yet to be seen credible (even remotely) evidence to the contrary. I'm not claiming anything as a fact or definitive proof but its a one sided debate thus far as I see it. I look forward to the counter argument if it comes. It is after all what Ive been asking for.
My "says who"...
Quote from: "Randy Lerner"
I gave Martin the assurance that I also wanted to take the team forward. A £30 million striker would be out of our budget but there is money there to be spent on the team
Quote from: "Randy Lerner"
I don’t worry about him [Milner] leaving because he is wanted at this club. We will do everything in our power to keep him
And before I hear "Well he would say that". We've made no secret that other players (who are not wanted) are available.
Quote from: "Randy Lerner"
I think, on the other hand if opportunities arise in which the net number of sell-to-buy doesn’t equal what’s required to take advantage of an opportunity then you may spend the money and I wouldn’t exclude us from that group that may do that
In Randy speak, we dont have to raise the money through sales to buy players. Yes or no?
Quote from: "Randy Lerner"
we are not in some sort of mode in which we are shutting the door on spending on players
Quote from: "pelty"
If there were a sell-to-buy policy (which there is not),
Quote from: "General Krulak"
Right now, we need to look at the current wages paid and make sure that we are paying them to the right folks
My argument has always been: the 'sell to buy' issue refers to wages only, not transfer fees. And its perfectly reasonable too. In fact I would understand if we had to sell to raise transfer fees, but I see no evidence for it.
Quote from: "General Krulak"
One of the issues we face, and we have talked about it before and so has MON and others is the issue of the on-going wage bill. This issue needs to be kept in perspective and needs to be understood. It is not just the cost of the transfer...it is the on-going wages. If you don't get that right, you cannot adequately pay your good players much less go onto the market and get new ones. What we see right now is the Club getting a handle on the wage side of the house. This is no different than what we have done once before. This means we have to sell some players...no different than most Premiership Clubs...you see them doing it all the time. Randy has NOT lost his passion for the Club or has he lost his vision of the goal he has always set for the Villa. He has spent more time in the UK in the last 2 months than he has ever done before...he has been focused on the Club and has been working closely with MON. As always, I am NOT going to get into a discussion of transfers BUT I will say that everyone needs to cool down a bit and see what happens.
So then, where is the evidence that a) We ever planned to sell Milner to raise money for transfers and b) We in fact need to sell anybody to raise money for transfers.
In my opinion, with plenty of evidence and reasoning to back that up, its all about the wage bill, baby.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 10:39:55 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we play with two wingers or if we're planning to play with two wingers most of the time, we need four.
I agree that McGeady probably shouldn't be one of them.
Having said that, Young can play as a second striker, Downing and Albrighton probably cant. Downing can supposedly play in midfield, Albrighton and Young probably cant...etc. They're not exactly the same but I'd rather prioritise a striker, right back and playmaker first.
Downing's having a hard enough time playing on the wing at the moment. I'd say he has to get back to his best before being thinking about being shunted elsewhere. Young can play as a second striker, but hasn't for over two years now. We need a proper, honest to goodness striker, who's better than Harewood or Heskey. How hard can that be?
I agree. We should bought Darren Bent last summer. No doubt about it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 10:42:22 AM
Quote from: "John M"
Just trying to offer a balanced few of things, Paulie. Ever notice that just about everything we argue about on here comes down to strikers?
1. Two most controversial signings are both strikers. 2. Style of play is disliked, but arguably suits our strikers who rely on pace and power. 3. Striker is one of the two postiions we've bought from overseas for.
1) When you say controversial, that's just a posh way of saying "shit" isn't it? 2) Does it? The numner of chances we created was poor last year, as was our goal tally. 3) It is, let's try it some more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on July 30, 2010, 10:48:12 AM
For some reason M'ON's attitude has been striker is like right back, you don't need quality, you can just make do with whoever, Sutton, Heskey, Harewood, even Carew was a nothing to lose swapsy for Baros. It is the most important position on the pitch. We should at some point in the last 4 years taken a punt on some real quality.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 10:48:18 AM
1. No, it's a posh way of saying 'subject of lots of discussion'. They also seem to generate the most extreme anti-MON rhetoric. 2. In my opinion, yes it does. People argue we're set up to hit teams on the break and our best striker relies mainly on pace. I don't think that's coincidence. To play the more patient passing style a lot of us want, you need better movement upfront to make it effective, which is an area we currently lack in. 3. I genuinely hope we do!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 10:52:28 AM
Mazrim (I'll avoid the quoting for sanity's sake)
All of the above is fine, but you're entirely missing my point, which is that you can say "Says who" (as you did to hawkeye) in response to pretty much everything posted on here which is "opinion".
Like when you said we'd offered Milner that biggest-ever contract - opinion.
Like if I say I suspect Milner will probably be off. Opinion.
Hawkeye said "the simple fact is that MON needs the money more than Mancini needs Milner".
He's clearly stating an opinion, and you're clearly (including above) stating yours or putting your own interpretation on it / choosing which bits to believe, as we all do in these circumstances
You mention Pelty's rant and his point about there being no sell to buy policy. The irony is that he only said that in response to something MON said in the media which gave the impression to the contrary.
“We are going to be linked and very obviously, even without wanting to lose players of the calibre of Milner, we would want to try and recruit some players.
“But as the chairman mentioned way back, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy and that is something you would have to be really constructive about. That is something I am building into at the moment.
Do you reckon the club would ever say "yes, there's a sell to buy policy"?
Or "we need to sell Milner before we buy"?
Of course they wouldn't and they'd be damn right not to.
My point isn't that we need to sell or we don't need to sell, it is that the "says who" thing goes for everything said on here.
The points you've quoted on here are your interpretation of things that have been said. Other people will have other interpretations, but there's nothing inherently more factual about anyone's standpoint on this issue.
The long and short is, we don't know.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 11:05:13 AM
I'm not missing your point at all Paulie. You're determind to wedge it in here when it was never an issue to start with. Does it really need to be explained that opinions are just that?
The only difference is when somebody is saying "The simple fact is". Whilst I accept it may be sematics and Hawkeye meant to say "my opinion is..." he didn't. Its currently an issue I have problems with and I'm sick of seeing it repeated when there is no evidence for it.
So with respect, can we see the counter argument please if there even is one. I can't furnish my part in it with any more heavyweight evidence than quotes (not my opinions) from the owner and board member of the club and so on.
You apparently have a problem with "says who". I dont see why. Its nothing more than saying "show me where that's been said". Ive provided my side of the bargain. As I said, there's my "says who". Not my opinion, although I also gave that.
EDIT: I'm off to watch the Cricket. Can somebody do me a favour as I think this is getting a bit silly now, to say the least. If you disagree with me, can you do provide any supporting evidence for it please. Any quotes and so on to back it up. Its pretty easily resolved I should think. If you can, I will happily withdraw. Cheers!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 11:10:44 AM
Dear god mazrim, you said you didn't want to indulge in semantics, but are now doing that to the nth degree. If I see someone who says "the simple fact is" I don't immediately jump to on an online encyclopaedia to check it's veracity when it's clear that what the person is stating isn't really a fact.
"The fact is that Paris is the capital of France." A fact. "The fact is that Heskey is a poor striker." An opinion that people can discuss.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 11:13:34 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
You apparently have a problem with "says who". I dont see why. Its nothing more than saying "show me where that's been said". Ive provided my side of the bargain. As I said, there's my "says who". Not my opinion, although I also gave that.
I don't have a problem with it beyond pointing out that it's a pretty pointless response given that we have hundreds of pages of conjecture and debate on this thread and nobody is any the wiser.
re the counter argument, the thing is, you say there's no evidence for it, but I've quoted the manager above suggesting there's a sell to buy policy, you've quoted Pelty saying there isn't.
Is there one? I don't think so, I actually agree with you, but the point i was making was that there is probably a quote out there from someone involved which could be used to present anything as compelling evidence, whereas we've no idea what the truth is.
Anywhere, here's the "evidence" (your word) you asked for in your edit.
I'm not saying this is true, or not, but it is every bit as admissable as evidence as your quotes, surely?
“We are going to be linked and very obviously, even without wanting to lose players of the calibre of Milner, we would want to try and recruit some players.
“But as the chairman mentioned way back, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy and that is something you would have to be really constructive about. That is something I am building into at the moment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Eigentor on July 30, 2010, 11:15:55 AM
Even if the sentence starts with "the simple fact is" is should be obvious to anyone that what follows is the opinion of the writer and not a fact. Who needs what the most will always be a matter of opinion.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 11:17:41 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Dear god mazrim, you said you didn't want to indulge in semantics, but are now doing that to the nth degree. If I see someone who says "the simple fact is" I don't immediately jump to on an online encyclopaedia to check it's veracity when it's clear that what the person is stating isn't really a fact.
"The fact is that Paris is the capital of France." A fact. "The fact is that Heskey is a poor striker." An opinion that people can discuss.
I covered that above mate. Usually, I'd have no problem with it. But its something I strongly disagree with and I'm sick of seeing it repeated here, The Mirror...etc when I think its nonsense so in this case, cut me some slack.
I also havent heard Hawkeye say it was his opinion and not claiming its a fact (how do I know he doesnt think it is), just you and Paulie say that's what he probably meant.
Anyway...
[ cartman ] Screw you guys... I'm watching the Crcket. [ /cartman ]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on July 30, 2010, 11:18:12 AM
When epistemological issues arise, I like to quote that old sociopath and war criminal Donald Rumsfeld:
Quote
Now what is the message there? The message is that there are known "knowns." There are things we know that we know. There are known unknowns. That is to say there are things that we now know we don't know. But there are also unknown unknowns. There are things we do not know we don't know. So when we do the best we can and we pull all this information together, and we then say well that's basically what we see as the situation, that is really only the known knowns and the known unknowns. And each year, we discover a few more of those unknown unknowns.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 11:19:27 AM
*sigh*
Quote from: "Mazrim"
The fact they're looking for £30m is evidence....
Says who etc.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 11:21:37 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
You apparently have a problem with "says who". I dont see why. Its nothing more than saying "show me where that's been said". Ive provided my side of the bargain. As I said, there's my "says who". Not my opinion, although I also gave that.
I don't have a problem with it beyond pointing out that it's a pretty pointless response given that we have hundreds of pages of conjecture and debate on this thread and nobody is any the wiser.
re the counter argument, the thing is, you say there's no evidence for it, but I've quoted the manager above suggesting there's a sell to buy policy, you've quoted Pelty saying there isn't.
Is there one? I don't think so, I actually agree with you, but the point i was making was that there is probably a quote out there from someone involved which could be used to present anything as compelling evidence, whereas we've no idea what the truth is.
Anywhere, here's the "evidence" (your word) you asked for in your edit.
I'm not saying this is true, or not, but it is every bit as admissable as evidence as your quotes, surely?
“We are going to be linked and very obviously, even without wanting to lose players of the calibre of Milner, we would want to try and recruit some players.
“But as the chairman mentioned way back, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy and that is something you would have to be really constructive about. That is something I am building into at the moment.
O.K, one more and then its Cricket...
MON is agreeing with the context that Randy/ General etc used regarding "sell to buy" in that its related to wages and not transfer fees. So, I think, its actually further supporting my argument in that its all about wages only.
O.K, now I'm off. Have fun.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 11:22:25 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Risso"
Dear god mazrim, you said you didn't want to indulge in semantics, but are now doing that to the nth degree. If I see someone who says "the simple fact is" I don't immediately jump to on an online encyclopaedia to check it's veracity when it's clear that what the person is stating isn't really a fact.
"The fact is that Paris is the capital of France." A fact. "The fact is that Heskey is a poor striker." An opinion that people can discuss.
I covered that above mate. Usually, I'd have no problem with it. But its something I strongly disagree with and I'm sick of seeing it repeated here, The Mirror...etc when I think its nonsense so in this case, cut me some slack.
I also havent heard Hawkeye say it was his opinion and not claiming its a fact (how do I know he doesnt think it is), just you and Paulie say that's what he probably meant.
Anyway...
[ cartman ] Screw you guys... I'm watching the Crcket. [ /cartman ]
You know, you could have saved all this hassle by just using the Chewbacca Defense in the first place?
"Look at the silly monkey"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on July 30, 2010, 11:23:03 AM
The fact is, my penis is huge.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PhilGibson on July 30, 2010, 11:26:02 AM
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 11:33:24 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote
“We are going to be linked and very obviously, even without wanting to lose players of the calibre of Milner, we would want to try and recruit some players.
“But as the chairman mentioned way back, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy and that is something you would have to be really constructive about. That is something I am building into at the moment.
O.K, one more and then its Cricket...
MON is agreeing with the context that Randy/ General etc used regarding "sell to buy" in that its related to wages and not transfer fees. So, I think, its actually further supporting my argument in that its all about wages only.
O.K, now I'm off. Have fun.
Says you, putting your slant on it, whereby others may put a different slant on it. Thereby making my entire point for me.
Have fun at the cricket. I shall be working. Or pretending to.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 30, 2010, 11:48:17 AM
of course Pravda could be doing this for obvious reasons. However on the link on the front splash page Milner is prominent.
IS that a message he is staying
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pedro25 on July 30, 2010, 11:53:38 AM
For me what we sorely lacked last season was the ability to unlock packed defences at VP, just one player who could do this, be it a forward, wideman or playmaker, could have made the difference to us getting 4th and could do the same this season although it is getting harder and harder to do so. Surely pocketing 3.5 mill in Jan for Gardner and saving around £100 grand a week wages for him, Bouma, Harewood, Marshall and O'Halloran means we should be able to buy the one missing player at least. Then we are well stocked everywhere else so it makes sense to sell first, then replace, if Shorey, Beye, Heskey, Sidwell, Milner or whoever move on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 12:15:35 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote
“We are going to be linked and very obviously, even without wanting to lose players of the calibre of Milner, we would want to try and recruit some players.
“But as the chairman mentioned way back, maybe it is a case of probably having to sell to buy and that is something you would have to be really constructive about. That is something I am building into at the moment.
O.K, one more and then its Cricket...
MON is agreeing with the context that Randy/ General etc used regarding "sell to buy" in that its related to wages and not transfer fees. So, I think, its actually further supporting my argument in that its all about wages only.
O.K, now I'm off. Have fun.
Says you, putting your slant on it, whereby others may put a different slant on it. Thereby making my entire point for me.
Have fun at the cricket. I shall be working. Or pretending to.
Well England are making a bit of a Horlicks of it this morning so I'll look forward toi the bowling.
Paulie, "your point" isnt anything I'm arguing with. Of course I am going to put my slant and my opinions forward. I have provided lots of support for my argument though and I'm waiting for anything convincing in reply. Anything at all. I understand about how opinions can differ. Honestly, I do. It's pretty basic stuff.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 30, 2010, 12:18:47 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "John M"
Swapping sides during a game is a tactical thing. Having two players for each position is an issue of squad depth.
As for having 4 over £10m, I think that's misleading as Milner should be discounted due to either a) he'll be playing central if he stays or b) he's going to go. Let's not forget he tried for Zaki and RSC upfront, who would both be £10m+ strikers, so maybe it's not by choice we haven't spent heavily up top? And if we had a winger comparable to Gabby's ability and age emerging through the squad we would have bought 1 less £10m winger, IMO!
Wow, Zaki and RSC. As ever, if you're going to limit yourself to buying from other british clubs, it's always going to be hard.
I wouldn't have wanted either player either, but if the argument is that we're spending on wingers to the detriment of the strikers, that view does need to be balanced with the fact that we have tried for strikers and had no joy, so it's not necessarily purely by choice we have that imbalance.
He's been trying for four years now, though, so surely that argument must be wearing a bit thin?
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 12:26:05 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
I'm glad that O'Neill signed Carew, and that he has helped Gabby develop into such a good player, so no arguments on that score. However, those two players are not going to play every minute of every game, and the players he has bought as back up have proved to be woefully inadequate. So whilst I can see that to replace Gabby would take many millions of quid, to get somebody who's a bit closer to his or Carew's ability than Harewood or Heskey, not so much. If he has a bit more imagination and knowledge in the transfer market, which he hasn't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 12:34:59 PM
MON has made as many good decisions as he bad ones regarding our strikers and I hope he puts another one (or two) in the good column this summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 30, 2010, 12:38:05 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
I'm glad that O'Neill signed Carew, and that he has helped Gabby develop into such a good player, so no arguments on that score. However, those two players are not going to play every minute of every game, and the players he has bought as back up have proved to be woefully inadequate. So whilst I can see that to replace Gabby would take many millions of quid, to get somebody who's a bit closer to his or Carew's ability than Harewood or Heskey, not so much. If he has a bit more imagination and knowledge in the transfer market, which he hasn't.
Your point sounds reasonable but I'm struggling to think of any gabby/carew calibre strikers bought by top 6 teams recently that didn't cost a great deal of money. One or two perhaps but I don't think it is easy without spending a lot of money. We could and should be stronger up front but I can understand that we had more pressing needs elsewhere in the squad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 12:56:16 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
Well, Carew only cost us whatever Baros was valued at, so, what, 5 or 6m?
Sunderland bought Darren Bent, and he's scored hatloads*. Redknapp bought Defoe, and he scored hatloads. I appreciate 15m is a lot of money, but it's hardly a sum out of our reach based on the spending of the last few years.
It is difficult finding goalscorers, that's true. Martin's attempts at finding them have fallen well, well short though.
* And I dont even know if "hatload" is an actual word
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 12:57:12 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Your point sounds reasonable but I'm struggling to think of any gabby/carew calibre strikers bought by top 6 teams recently that didn't cost a great deal of money. One or two perhaps but I don't think it is easy without spending a lot of money. We could and should be stronger up front but I can understand that we had more pressing needs elsewhere in the squad.
Why only top six teams?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 30, 2010, 12:58:12 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
Well, Carew only cost us whatever Baros was valued at, so, what, 5 or 6m?
Sunderland bought Darren Bent, and he's scored hatloads*. Redknapp bought Defoe, and he scored hatloads. I appreciate 15m is a lot of money, but it's hardly a sum out of our reach based on the spending of the last few years.
It is difficult finding goalscorers, that's true. Martin's attempts at finding them have fallen well, well short though.
* And I dont even know if "hatload" is an actual word
I think you meant shedful.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 12:59:58 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
Well, Carew only cost us whatever Baros was valued at, so, what, 5 or 6m?
Sunderland bought Darren Bent, and he's scored hatloads*. Redknapp bought Defoe, and he scored hatloads. I appreciate 15m is a lot of money, but it's hardly a sum out of our reach based on the spending of the last few years.
It is difficult finding goalscorers, that's true. Martin's attempts at finding them have fallen well, well short though.
* And I dont even know if "hatload" is an actual word
I think you meant shedful.
I think that's probably it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 01:02:19 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Well, Carew only cost us whatever Baros was valued at, so, what, 5 or 6m?
Sunderland bought Darren Bent, and he's scored hatloads*. Redknapp bought Defoe, and he scored hatloads. I appreciate 15m is a lot of money, but it's hardly a sum out of our reach based on the spending of the last few years.
It is difficult finding goalscorers, that's true. Martin's attempts at finding them have fallen well, well short though.
* And I dont even know if "hatload" is an actual word
Defoe was only ever going to follow his uncle Harry around. Bent is the one striker I agree we've 'missed out on'.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 30, 2010, 01:23:04 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Your point sounds reasonable but I'm struggling to think of any gabby/carew calibre strikers bought by top 6 teams recently that didn't cost a great deal of money. One or two perhaps but I don't think it is easy without spending a lot of money. We could and should be stronger up front but I can understand that we had more pressing needs elsewhere in the squad.
Why only top six teams?
because they are in the same market for players as we are
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 30, 2010, 01:30:19 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
MON has made as many good decisions as he bad ones regarding our strikers and I hope he puts another one (or two) in the good column this summer.
Strikers in;
Carew Harewood Sutton Heskey
so 1 good 3 bad?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 01:30:39 PM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Your point sounds reasonable but I'm struggling to think of any gabby/carew calibre strikers bought by top 6 teams recently that didn't cost a great deal of money. One or two perhaps but I don't think it is easy without spending a lot of money. We could and should be stronger up front but I can understand that we had more pressing needs elsewhere in the squad.
Why only top six teams?
because they are in the same market for players as we are
So are the rest of the league.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on July 30, 2010, 01:31:15 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
Well, Carew only cost us whatever Baros was valued at, so, what, 5 or 6m?
Sunderland bought Darren Bent, and he's scored hatloads*. Redknapp bought Defoe, and he scored hatloads. I appreciate 15m is a lot of money, but it's hardly a sum out of our reach based on the spending of the last few years.
It is difficult finding goalscorers, that's true. Martin's attempts at finding them have fallen well, well short though.
* And I dont even know if "hatload" is an actual word
I think you meant shedful.
I think that's probably it.
Isn't it 'shedload'?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 01:34:45 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
MON has made as many good decisions as he bad ones regarding our strikers and I hope he puts another one (or two) in the good column this summer.
Strikers in;
Carew Harewood Sutton Heskey
so 1 good 3 bad?
Can't really count Sutton as it was an out of window temporary move - and probably a decent one on balance.
Of the strikers he's bought, I'd say one has worked and two haven't, yet I still maintain Harewood would have been a decent bit of business had we been able to offload him in Summer 08 or Jan 09.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 30, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
Quote from: "mshurst"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Gabby and Carew are two of the top 10 PL strikers over those 4 years.
I don't care where you buy them from, in order to sign a striker that you are confident will replace Gabby or Carew you're going to have to spend very big money.
Well, Carew only cost us whatever Baros was valued at, so, what, 5 or 6m?
Sunderland bought Darren Bent, and he's scored hatloads*. Redknapp bought Defoe, and he scored hatloads. I appreciate 15m is a lot of money, but it's hardly a sum out of our reach based on the spending of the last few years.
It is difficult finding goalscorers, that's true. Martin's attempts at finding them have fallen well, well short though.
* And I dont even know if "hatload" is an actual word
I think you meant shedful.
I think that's probably it.
Isn't it 'shedload'?
It's a hatful of shedloads
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 01:36:08 PM
Thinking about it, a striker who can score a hatful of goals should be cheap. Hats are usually small.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 30, 2010, 01:39:18 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Thinking about it, a striker who can score a hatful of goals should be cheap. Hats are usually small.
whereas sheds are huge, or at least Villa fans garden sheds tend to be. Shedloads it is then.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2010, 01:43:02 PM
Quote from: "olneythelonely"
The fact is, my pen is, is huge.
"Yes, it's a shame about his stutter"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 30, 2010, 01:43:45 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Thinking about it, a striker who can score a hatful of goals should be cheap. Hats are usually small.
Let's leave hats out of it, none of us wear them.
We're men without hats.
And we can dance when we want to.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on July 30, 2010, 01:54:16 PM
Hatful of hollow comes to mind after reading the last few posts.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 01:58:58 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Hatful of hollow comes to mind after reading the last few posts.
I was going to respond to this but didn't want to be accused of titfer tat.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 02:04:51 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Hatful of hollow comes to mind after reading the last few posts.
I was going to respond to this but didn't want to be accused of titfer tat.
I just hope we don't sell James Milliner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 02:09:22 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Hatful of hollow comes to mind after reading the last few posts.
I was going to respond to this but didn't want to be accused of titfer tat.
I just hope we don't sell James Milliner.
He'd get more caps if he stayed with us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 02:10:14 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
MON has made as many good decisions as he bad ones regarding our strikers and I hope he puts another one (or two) in the good column this summer.
Strikers in;
Carew Harewood Sutton Heskey
so 1 good 3 bad?
No.
Championing Gabby. Carew
Heskey Harewood.
2 -2
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on July 30, 2010, 02:19:21 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
MON has made as many good decisions as he bad ones regarding our strikers and I hope he puts another one (or two) in the good column this summer.
Strikers in;
Carew Harewood Sutton Heskey
so 1 good 3 bad?
No.
Championing Gabby. Carew
Heskey Harewood.
2 -2
Can i have a look at them..... oh yes, claret tinted specs! Very fetching!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 02:24:00 PM
So which shouldn't he have done, given Gabby a chance or signed Carew?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 02:28:20 PM
50:50 isn't a great success rate when you think what the transfers of Harewood and Heskey cost in fees and wages.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on July 30, 2010, 02:30:00 PM
If you say that you have to balance it with the fact that Carew and Gabby cost relatively nothing in terms of transfer fees.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on July 30, 2010, 02:32:24 PM
of course Pravda could be doing this for obvious reasons. However on the link on the front splash page Milner is prominent.
IS that a message he is staying
He's talking to Sidwell. It's far more likely Sidwell did something stupid.
Look at MoN's legs in those pictures. Fine legs for a man of his age I must say.
Who wears short shorts...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: cdward on July 30, 2010, 02:40:40 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
50:50 isn't a great success rate when you think what the transfers of Harewood and Heskey cost in fees and wages.
50:50 isn't a bad success rate either.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 02:52:56 PM
Quote from: "cdward"
Quote from: "Risso"
50:50 isn't a great success rate when you think what the transfers of Harewood and Heskey cost in fees and wages.
50:50 isn't a bad success rate either.
It's awful, surely? The half that failed have taken about £20m out of the club.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 30, 2010, 05:14:49 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "cdward"
Quote from: "Risso"
50:50 isn't a great success rate when you think what the transfers of Harewood and Heskey cost in fees and wages.
50:50 isn't a bad success rate either.
It's awful, surely? The half that failed have taken about £20m out of the club.
The half that did well put us into the top six and kept us there. It's not awful, surely?
Half empty, half full, matter of opinion.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rip Van We Go Again on July 30, 2010, 05:43:54 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "cdward"
Quote from: "Risso"
50:50 isn't a great success rate when you think what the transfers of Harewood and Heskey cost in fees and wages.
50:50 isn't a bad success rate either.
It's awful, surely? The half that failed have taken about £20m out of the club.
Agree with Risso, it is awful. Ask Randy if he's happy with that success rate, considering MON is supposed to be a managerial genius, that's a bad strike rate.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 05:45:55 PM
Do a similar exercise for Harry Redknapp, and then ask yourself why they're in the top 4, and we're not.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 30, 2010, 05:48:19 PM
Come on, Riss. When MON took over at Villa we weren't in any position to sign the sort of players that Spurs had at the time, let alone who they've signed since.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on July 30, 2010, 06:15:04 PM
Nothing infuriates me more than the claims we could not have signed the players spurs have. With a bit of ambition of course we could have done, and it is only the short sightedness of the manager in the market that has prevented us from signing the players they have. They have a lower wage bill by all accounts, and a much more exciting line up realistically. We have had the cash and wage budget to compete over the last 3 years and have not seized the opportunity. Martin has not seized the opportunity.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: taylorsworkrate on July 30, 2010, 07:11:42 PM
Now that it looks as though Stephen Ireland would not be coming as any part of a deal for Milner, MON should increase his hardball stance.
I was excited at the prospect of Ireland coming as i believe that he has the potential to be one of the best midfielders in the country. I was of the opinion that we would be improved as a team with Ireland, and the rest of the Milner money reinvested.
Out of the players in that position we could realistically sign, none is of the quality of Ireland.
I suggest we now bump up our asking price to £35 million. Which is around double what hes worth imo. Unlikely that City will pay that, but now theres no Ireland the incentive for us to sell has been diminished.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eric woolban woolban on July 30, 2010, 08:18:28 PM
Looking at those Portugal pics I wonder how much Petrov sweats?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on July 30, 2010, 08:28:12 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Come on, Riss. When MON took over at Villa we weren't in any position to sign the sort of players that Spurs had at the time, let alone who they've signed since.
Come on? Players like Kranjcar, Crouch, Bassong and Defoe are out of our league are they? I'd suggest not personally. If you're willing to blow £12m on Stewart Downing, then you can afford any of those.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on July 30, 2010, 08:29:29 PM
Missing out on £2m Kranjcar was poor.
Bargain of the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on July 30, 2010, 08:47:56 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
MON has made as many good decisions as he bad ones regarding our strikers and I hope he puts another one (or two) in the good column this summer.
Strikers in;
Carew Harewood Sutton Heskey
so 1 good 3 bad?
No.
Championing Gabby. Carew
Heskey Harewood.
2 -2
Can i have a look at them..... oh yes, claret tinted specs! Very fetching!
How so? Which do you disagree with then?
Anyway, I'd rather have Claret and Blue specs than be blind.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on July 30, 2010, 09:08:50 PM
MON has made about same number of bad signings as Fergie , not as many as Hughes/Mancini and no where close to Benitez
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on July 30, 2010, 09:19:52 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Monty"
Come on, Riss. When MON took over at Villa we weren't in any position to sign the sort of players that Spurs had at the time, let alone who they've signed since.
Come on? Players like Kranjcar, Crouch, Bassong and Defoe are out of our league are they? I'd suggest not personally. If you're willing to blow £12m on Stewart Downing, then you can afford any of those.
Three of those followed their old manager into his new job, and we bought two better centre halves than Bassong anyway.
And from what I can gather Spurs were very much willing to spend that sort of money of Downing but we beat them to it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on July 30, 2010, 09:43:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Monty"
Come on, Riss. When MON took over at Villa we weren't in any position to sign the sort of players that Spurs had at the time, let alone who they've signed since.
Come on? Players like Kranjcar, Crouch, Bassong and Defoe are out of our league are they? I'd suggest not personally. If you're willing to blow £12m on Stewart Downing, then you can afford any of those.
I'd rather have Carew, Milner, Ashley, Dunne and Collins,who cost about the same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on July 30, 2010, 11:07:53 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Missing out on £2m Kranjcar was poor.
Bargain of the season.
the fact he went to Spurs and Arry for JUST £2m would indicate other factors were at play
£2m for him to be frank was possibly the worse deal Pompey could make, they could have easily got £5-8m on the open market
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 30, 2010, 11:27:05 PM
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Missing out on £2m Kranjcar was poor.
Bargain of the season.
the fact he went to Spurs and Arry for JUST £2m would indicate other factors were at play
£2m for him to be frank was possibly the worse deal Pompey could make, they could have easily got £5-8m on the open market
Some of the stuff written on here about Redknapp is beyond belief.
We've already had "no, I refuse to believe Spurs wage bill is lower than ours, despite having seen the respective figures in the accounts of each club showing that this is in fact the case, there must be some other iffy accounting going on, or Harry must be slipping them money off the books" (of course, this being so easy to do in a PLC).
Now we have Redknapp getting a bargain in Krancjar, so, yes, of course, he must have colluded with Portsmouth, to give them as little money as possible for him. I'm assuming these are the "other factors" to which you refer?
I don't like Redknapp much, but to read the way he is discussed on here, we sound like bitter Albion fans or something, getting wound up and pissed off in a self righteous frenzy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on July 31, 2010, 02:32:20 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Monty"
Come on, Riss. When MON took over at Villa we weren't in any position to sign the sort of players that Spurs had at the time, let alone who they've signed since.
Come on? Players like Kranjcar, Crouch, Bassong and Defoe are out of our league are they? I'd suggest not personally. If you're willing to blow £12m on Stewart Downing, then you can afford any of those.
I'd rather have Carew, Milner, Ashley, Dunne and Collins,who cost about the same.
But when you consider that Krancjar, for example, cost less than Sidwell, Heskey and Harewood.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on July 31, 2010, 03:16:49 AM
We have better defenders than Bassong, Kranjcar was an example of a manager signing a player he knows how to get the best out of (see Petrov) and Defoe would choose Spurs over us every single day of the week.
As for Downing, to dismiss him at this early juncture is unfair.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on July 31, 2010, 04:03:28 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "march"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Missing out on £2m Kranjcar was poor.
Bargain of the season.
the fact he went to Spurs and Arry for JUST £2m would indicate other factors were at play
£2m for him to be frank was possibly the worse deal Pompey could make, they could have easily got £5-8m on the open market
Some of the stuff written on here about Redknapp is beyond belief.
We've already had "no, I refuse to believe Spurs wage bill is lower than ours, despite having seen the respective figures in the accounts of each club showing that this is in fact the case, there must be some other iffy accounting going on, or Harry must be slipping them money off the books" (of course, this being so easy to do in a PLC).
Now we have Redknapp getting a bargain in Krancjar, so, yes, of course, he must have colluded with Portsmouth, to give them as little money as possible for him. I'm assuming these are the "other factors" to which you refer?
I don't like Redknapp much, but to read the way he is discussed on here, we sound like bitter Albion fans or something, getting wound up and pissed off in a self righteous frenzy.
You're right in what you say about what they can do as a PLC. I think it was more to do with the speed of payments for players that had transferred between the clubs previously. Portsmouth needed money and if, for instance, Spurs still had outstanding payments to make on Defoe or Crouch an early payment could have got Portsmouth to reduce the Kranjcar fee.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 01, 2010, 12:08:09 AM
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Milner dismayed as Villa decline to budge on £30m price tag for City switch
By Derek Hunter Last updated at 11:40 PM on 31st July 2010
Villa 3 Feyenoord 1
James Milner's relationship with Martin O'Neill came under further scrutiny after the Manchester City target failed to feature in Villa's win over Feyenoord.
Despite a move to City being no closer, the England star had to watch from the sidelines in Portugal after being left out of O'Neill's squad for the Guadiana Cup clash.
Villan of the piece: Milner is wants Eastlands switch sorted
Transfer talks between the two clubs remain deadlocked with Villa valuing the 24-year-old at £30m, while City's only bid to date is £20m.
O'Neill's decision to omit him leaves further question marks over relations between the pair after Milner was upset by the Villa manager's claim the player had "intimated" he wanted to leave.
Although the new campaign is less than a fortnight away, he is yet to kick a ball for Villa in pre-season.
Milner was involved in Villa's pre-match warm-up, however, and he received a subdued reception from the 500 Villa supporters in the Algarve.
Luke Young, who this week rejected a move to Liverpool, was another notable absentee with the wantaway defender sat alongside Milner in the dugout – at the opposite end to O'Neill, who is yet to spend this summer after being told he must sell to buy.
Marc Albrighton has been the star of Villa's pre-season and he took just five minutes to give them the lead with a 25-yard rocket.
Feyenoord levelled nine minutes later, however, when Luc Castaignos lashed in from close range amid Villa appeals for offside.
Stewart Downing spurned a golden chance when he raced through, while Georginio Wijnaldum hit the woodwork just before the break for the Dutch giants.
The excellent Albrighton crossed for Emile Heskey to head home after 73 minutes before fellow substitute Steve Sidwell made sure with a screamer six minutes later.
Villa face Benfica in the final game of the three-game tournament tonight with the winner taking the trophy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on August 01, 2010, 12:47:50 AM
Where in the article does it say Milner is dismayed. There are not even quotes from a close friend. And the caption under the picture "Milner is wants Eastlands switch sorted" shows how bodged this story is.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 01, 2010, 07:26:23 AM
Maybe mon doesn't want to risk him getting an injury as he was quoted yesterday he fully expects city to be back with another bid.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on August 01, 2010, 08:04:47 AM
Quote from: "east19"
Maybe mon doesn't want to risk him getting an injury as he was quoted yesterday he fully expects city to be back with another bid.
MON has confirmed on official site that he has a strained back injury and that was the only reason he was left out, and Young had a tight thigh so thats why he was left out....
reporters should wait until answers are given before the tripe they write about
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ross on August 01, 2010, 08:16:47 AM
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Quote from: "east19"
Maybe mon doesn't want to risk him getting an injury as he was quoted yesterday he fully expects city to be back with another bid.
MON has confirmed on official site that he has a strained back injury and that was the only reason he was left out, and Young had a tight thigh so thats why he was left out....
reporters should wait until answers are given before the tripe they write about
And because its on the official site, it must be true?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jasevilla on August 01, 2010, 08:36:22 AM
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MON has confirmed on official site that he has a strained back injury and that was the only reason he was left out, and Young had a tight thigh so thats why he was left out....
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Total rubbish,everyone knows why they didnt play,but i wouldn't be surprised if Milner plays against Benfica in some part if we are struggling.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 01, 2010, 08:43:16 AM
Quote from: "Ross"
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Quote from: "east19"
Maybe mon doesn't want to risk him getting an injury as he was quoted yesterday he fully expects city to be back with another bid.
MON has confirmed on official site that he has a strained back injury and that was the only reason he was left out, and Young had a tight thigh so thats why he was left out....
reporters should wait until answers are given before the tripe they write about
And because its on the official site, it must be true?
So you'd prefer to take the word og a tabloid journalist.
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O'Neill said: "There's nothing to look into it [their absence].
"James had a back injury and he had a bit of acupuncture from the doctor but it still didn't do the trick.
"So he was training right up until yesterday.
"Luke was a surprise. He was last off the training pitch today, doing some extra work and then presented the doctor with a thigh problem, which might have been just at the end of training.
"There was no point in risking him.
"If they had been fit this evening, they would have participated in the game. Both are now unlikely to be fit for Benfica."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 01, 2010, 09:23:15 AM
Quote from: "Villadawg"
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Monty"
Come on, Riss. When MON took over at Villa we weren't in any position to sign the sort of players that Spurs had at the time, let alone who they've signed since.
Come on? Players like Kranjcar, Crouch, Bassong and Defoe are out of our league are they? I'd suggest not personally. If you're willing to blow £12m on Stewart Downing, then you can afford any of those.
I'd rather have Carew, Milner, Ashley, Dunne and Collins,who cost about the same.
So would I, which was my point entirely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ross on August 01, 2010, 09:25:39 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Ross"
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Quote from: "east19"
Maybe mon doesn't want to risk him getting an injury as he was quoted yesterday he fully expects city to be back with another bid.
MON has confirmed on official site that he has a strained back injury and that was the only reason he was left out, and Young had a tight thigh so thats why he was left out....
reporters should wait until answers are given before the tripe they write about
And because its on the official site, it must be true?
So you'd prefer to take the word og a tabloid journalist.
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O'Neill said: "There's nothing to look into it [their absence].
"James had a back injury and he had a bit of acupuncture from the doctor but it still didn't do the trick.
"So he was training right up until yesterday.
"Luke was a surprise. He was last off the training pitch today, doing some extra work and then presented the doctor with a thigh problem, which might have been just at the end of training.
"There was no point in risking him.
"If they had been fit this evening, they would have participated in the game. Both are now unlikely to be fit for Benfica."
I'm not taking the word of anyone Chris, I'm just saying that because its on the official site doesn't mean its true. How many times has a player who is being transfered shortly suddenly develops a mystery injury?
No one knows anything.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 01, 2010, 09:47:45 AM
Quote from: "Ross"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Ross"
Quote from: "abc123cox"
Quote from: "east19"
Maybe mon doesn't want to risk him getting an injury as he was quoted yesterday he fully expects city to be back with another bid.
MON has confirmed on official site that he has a strained back injury and that was the only reason he was left out, and Young had a tight thigh so thats why he was left out....
reporters should wait until answers are given before the tripe they write about
And because its on the official site, it must be true?
So you'd prefer to take the word og a tabloid journalist.
Quote
O'Neill said: "There's nothing to look into it [their absence].
"James had a back injury and he had a bit of acupuncture from the doctor but it still didn't do the trick.
"So he was training right up until yesterday.
"Luke was a surprise. He was last off the training pitch today, doing some extra work and then presented the doctor with a thigh problem, which might have been just at the end of training.
"There was no point in risking him.
"If they had been fit this evening, they would have participated in the game. Both are now unlikely to be fit for Benfica."
I'm not taking the word of anyone Chris, I'm just saying that because its on the official site doesn't mean its true. How many times has a player who is being transfered shortly suddenly develops a mystery injury?
No one knows anything.
If it was just an unattributed statement I might agree but the manager has been very specific and given that he's been honest about the player wanting to move I don't see him now pretending he is injured.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on August 01, 2010, 09:54:24 AM
Surely the one thing the Official site is, is the mouthpiece of the club. Every word posted will be vetted before release to ensure it complies with the dictate of the club. Its the prime source of mindless fodder for the believers. It always states the company line. No more, no less, what else can you expect. To imply its words are the True Gospel, indicates some level of naivety or a fanaticism beyond sensible thinking.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 01, 2010, 09:59:21 AM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Surely the one thing the Official site is, is the mouthpiece of the club. Every word posted will be vetted before release to ensure it complies with the dictate of the club. Its the prime source of mindless fodder for the believers. It always states the company line. No more, no less, what else can you expect. To imply its words are the True Gospel, indicates some level of naivety or a fanaticism beyond sensible thinking.
The words are those of an interview MON gave after the game last night. Are you saying you think he was lying? What would be the point? He's already said he thinks Milner wants to leave so he could easily have said we left him out because of it. It's a pre season friendly so if there is even the slightest doubt about fitness they don't play.
Others who might be on their way - Shorey, Sidwell and Davies - featured.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2010, 10:09:28 AM
Anyone else just see that inerview with Stephen Warnock on SSN? Speaking after the match last night.
Clearly sounds like Milner's decided he wants to be off.
Can't find the interview quoted in full, but the basics were (paraphrasing) "i was in the same position last year when I wanted to move on, and James is in that position now"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 01, 2010, 10:37:41 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Anyone else just see that inerview with Stephen Warnock on SSN? Speaking after the match last night.
Clearly sounds like Milner's decided he wants to be off.
Can't find the interview quoted in full, but the basics were (paraphrasing) "i was in the same position last year when I wanted to move on, and James is in that position now"
Which is what the manager said a couple of weeks ago when Milner was, allegedly, "furious".
The situation hasn't changed though, until they make an offer that we accept he's not going anywhere.
I've been thinking about where the compromise might come, something like £25m plus add ons that take it up to nearer £30m might allow both clubs to claim they got the deal they wanted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 01, 2010, 10:40:04 AM
Double top.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 01, 2010, 10:49:30 AM
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Double top
40 million would be ambitious Chris.
I think we just need to get the deal done at 18-20 million plus Ireland and get on with our summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: miffa on August 01, 2010, 12:10:18 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Anyone else just see that inerview with Stephen Warnock on SSN? Speaking after the match last night.
Clearly sounds like Milner's decided he wants to be off.
Can't find the interview quoted in full, but the basics were (paraphrasing) "i was in the same position last year when I wanted to move on, and James is in that position now"
I watched the interview with Warnock and came to the same conclusion as yourself. Reading between the lines Milner has obviously discussed his desire to leave for Eastlands with his current team mates, and they are all playing the diplomat - Carew was saying similar a few days ago.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: march on August 01, 2010, 12:22:15 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Quote
Double top
40 million would be ambitious Chris.
I think we just need to get the deal done at 18-20 million plus Ireland and get on with our summer.
agree, decent deal for us that
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on August 01, 2010, 02:31:24 PM
Doubts growing over James Milner's Manchester City deal as talks with Aston Villa drag on
By Sandy Macaskill in the Algarve Published: 11:13PM BST 31 Jul 2010
There were growing concerns on Saturday night that James Milner’s proposed move to Manchester City could collapse because of an impasse over price, after another week went by with Aston Villa and City still no closer to agreeing on a fee.
Sources close to the deal have admitted that the protracted nature of negotiations is becoming increasingly exasperating, for despite the season being two weeks away no one seems to be any the wiser over where Milner will be playing.
“Who knows what might happen in the foreseeable future,” Martin O’Neill said. “I’m not even sure myself.”
With everyone in the dark there is a danger of reading too much into the most insignificant of matters, but it certainly seemed symbolic when it emerged that there was not enough room for Steve Sidwell, Luke Young, Milner, and Nicky Shorey (another of those out of favour), to join O’Neill in the dugout during Saturday night’s 3-1 against Feyenoord in Vila Real de Santo Antonio in Portugal.
On such a humid evening it seemed strange to think of the four players as being stuck out in the cold, and it was doubtless unintentional, but O’Neill’s decision to leave both Milner and Young out of the squad entirely for the club’s first fixture of the Guadiana Trophy despite both being fit to play was indeed revealing. It suggests that O’Neill remains confident a deal over Milner can be struck with City.
Discussions with City continued last week but the two clubs remain some way apart in the valuations of the player, with the pace of negotiations is frustrating all concerned. Villa are understandably anxious.
It is clear that after two summers of fairly unrestrained spending O’Neill is being required to work within tighter constraints, and he had hoped that Young’s proposed move to Liverpool would have freed up £2.5 million, but the player decided against the move because of personal reasons.
O’Neill is similarly hopeful that Sidwell will complete his anticipated £3 million move to Fulham, but the Villa manager has accepted that Mark Hughes’ arrival at Craven Cottage could have thrown a spanner in the works.
“I think that situation is certainly still very much in the balance,” O’Neill said. “With a new manager coming in it might be different. I don’t know if that will make things happen more quickly or not.”
The protracted Milner negotiations, and the failure to move peripheral players on more briskly, could mean that Villa miss out on Aiden McGeady.
Spartak Moscow are understood to have bid in excess of £9 million for the Celtic winger, and although Villa sources suggest that O’Neill’s interest in the player is serious, it is likely that they will be unable to compete in a price war unless Milner’s deal goes through.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 01, 2010, 03:31:09 PM
NOTW has it that Citeh will come back with an improved offer this week.
Supposedly it's far closer to our valuation -with add ons.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 01, 2010, 03:46:34 PM
NOTW says that they will look at £25m with add ons instead of twenty with £4m in add ons. It does mention any of Ireland, Onouha, Richards and Bridge as possible make-weights.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on August 01, 2010, 03:48:59 PM
snap their hand off for that...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 01, 2010, 04:16:19 PM
£25m + Ireland please.
Superb deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 01, 2010, 04:42:08 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£25m + Ireland please.
Superb deal.
Ditto
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 01, 2010, 04:46:22 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£25m + Ireland please.
Superb deal.
That's not going to happen. That would be worth about £36m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 01, 2010, 04:48:59 PM
Quote from: "olneythelonely"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£25m + Ireland please.
Superb deal.
That's not going to happen. That would be worth about £36m.
Yep. Typical NOTW.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 01, 2010, 05:41:36 PM
I read it to mean the value of the deal being £25m plus add ons with any mix of those players to pad out the deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 01, 2010, 06:05:25 PM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
I read it to mean the value of the deal being £25m plus add ons with any mix of those players to pad out the deal.
Me too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 01, 2010, 07:55:17 PM
Milner to have a medical tomorrow? (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/01/itk-milner-will-have-medical-tomorrow/)
More `ITK`.
Sure.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 01, 2010, 11:22:46 PM
Was Milner on the bench tonight?
Not as a sub, necessarily, I mean was he seen with the squad?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 01, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Milner to have a medical tomorrow? (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/01/itk-milner-will-have-medical-tomorrow/)
More `ITK`.
Sure.....
Any deal should include Joe Hart after tonight.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 01, 2010, 11:36:15 PM
From the Daily Mail
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Manchester City star Gareth Barry tells James Milner to make his mind up on future
By Ian Ladyman Last updated at 10:31 PM on 1st August 2010
James Milner was warned to sort out his future soon as a back injury forced him to pull out of Aston Villa's pre-season tournament in Portugal.
Manchester City are trying to prise Milner from Villa but have failed to tempt the Midlands club with a bid of £24million. Wanted: Villa midfielder James Milner
City midfielder Barry found himself in a similar situation two summers ago when Villa manager Martin O'Neill blocked a move to Liverpool and he has warned Milner that the saga will soon begin to take its toll.
He said: 'My advice to him would be to try to get the situation sorted as quickly as possible. Mentally, it is tough to deal with and it does mess with your brain.
'As soon as I had made my mind up that it was not going to happen, and committed to playing for Villa again, my mind stopped wandering elsewhere.
'My advice is for him to speak to Martin O'Neill to try to get the situation cleared and then he can concentrate on what needs to be done for the season. He has got a long career ahead of him.
'It's exactly the same situation as the one I was in. It is hard to say that Martin O'Neill or Villa are doing anything wrong. They have put a valuation on James and if it is not being met they are within their rights to turn offers down. But it is tough for the player.'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 01, 2010, 11:46:47 PM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
From the Daily Mail
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Manchester City star Gareth Barry tells James Milner to make his mind up on future
By Ian Ladyman Last updated at 10:31 PM on 1st August 2010
James Milner was warned to sort out his future soon as a back injury forced him to pull out of Aston Villa's pre-season tournament in Portugal.
Manchester City are trying to prise Milner from Villa but have failed to tempt the Midlands club with a bid of £24million. Wanted: Villa midfielder James Milner
City midfielder Barry found himself in a similar situation two summers ago when Villa manager Martin O'Neill blocked a move to Liverpool and he has warned Milner that the saga will soon begin to take its toll.
He said: 'My advice to him would be to try to get the situation sorted as quickly as possible. Mentally, it is tough to deal with and it does mess with your brain.
'As soon as I had made my mind up that it was not going to happen, and committed to playing for Villa again, my mind stopped wandering elsewhere.
'My advice is for him to speak to Martin O'Neill to try to get the situation cleared and then he can concentrate on what needs to be done for the season. He has got a long career ahead of him.
'It's exactly the same situation as the one I was in. It is hard to say that Martin O'Neill or Villa are doing anything wrong. They have put a valuation on James and if it is not being met they are within their rights to turn offers down. But it is tough for the player.'
Make his fooking mind up? fook offf Barry.... Hes made his mind up, he wants to go but your wankish club have not come up with the money we want for him...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 02, 2010, 12:08:29 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Milner to have a medical tomorrow? (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/01/itk-milner-will-have-medical-tomorrow/)
More `ITK`.
Sure.....
Look where it came from, and teh original source.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2010, 08:00:45 AM
As just said on another thread, MON has said it is totally in the hands of Lerner re this transfer and he does not know who he will and won't have in his squad this season as he is not in control of it basically. From being all things to all men to relinquishing a fair amount of control over transfers, some pretty hard words must have been had between Lerner and O'Neill, and the former clearly does not have the same trust as he did, and rightly so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 02, 2010, 08:12:36 AM
Yeah, that doesn't concern me that much, or at all in fact. He should be involved in choosing who he wants to buy and sell but not the actual process of buying/selling. If he was involved or largely responsible for paying Heskey £60k per week I wouldn't even give him his own credit card.
I'd have thought he'd be too busy preparing the squad for the season anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 02, 2010, 08:49:31 AM
I wish he would hurry up and go. I'm not going to be behind Milner this season even if he stays, pretty much as I wasn't when Barry stayed on a season. Let's just get rid, particularly at £25m or so which is a fantastic amount for someone so ordinary in the bigger scheme of things...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2010, 08:57:52 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
Milner to have a medical tomorrow? (http://astonvilla-views.com/2010/08/01/itk-milner-will-have-medical-tomorrow/)
More `ITK`.
Sure.....
Is it for insurance policy?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2010, 09:17:55 AM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
As just said on another thread, MON has said it is totally in the hands of Lerner re this transfer and he does not know who he will and won't have in his squad this season as he is not in control of it basically. From being all things to all men to relinquishing a fair amount of control over transfers, some pretty hard words must have been had between Lerner and O'Neill, and the former clearly does not have the same trust as he did, and rightly so.
I think you're reading far too much into it.
The price has been set, which I'm pretty sure wopuld have been mostly down to MON, so all that is to be done is the haggling. I'm sure that neither MON or Mancini would be involved. It was the same with Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 02, 2010, 10:14:03 AM
I think Martin and the player have said everything they can/want to to each other, so now it's a matter of whether Man City pay the asking price or not. If they do they it's a matter for the likes of Faulkner to do the necessary and if not manager and player get on with their respective jobs.
Sounds to me as if the decision is made, £30m or no deal, as opposed to Martin being removed from the decision making process.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2010, 10:17:30 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
As just said on another thread, MON has said it is totally in the hands of Lerner re this transfer and he does not know who he will and won't have in his squad this season as he is not in control of it basically. From being all things to all men to relinquishing a fair amount of control over transfers, some pretty hard words must have been had between Lerner and O'Neill, and the former clearly does not have the same trust as he did, and rightly so.
I think you're reading far too much into it.
The price has been set, which I'm pretty sure wopuld have been mostly down to MON, so all that is to be done is the haggling. I'm sure that neither MON or Mancini would be involved. It was the same with Barry.
The stance from a year ago is vastly different to that now though Chris, and I would immediately expect certain posters to say it is not significant etc, but MON has a history of either engineering a board out, or saying goodbye if the board start to take more grip on proceedings. He won't like it one bit if Lerner is getting more involved in setting fees and player negotiations, although I agree with Mazrim, that MON should not allowed his own credit card if some of the reported wages are accurate, and judging by our financial outlay they would appear to be so.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2010, 10:18:57 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
As just said on another thread, MON has said it is totally in the hands of Lerner re this transfer and he does not know who he will and won't have in his squad this season as he is not in control of it basically. From being all things to all men to relinquishing a fair amount of control over transfers, some pretty hard words must have been had between Lerner and O'Neill, and the former clearly does not have the same trust as he did, and rightly so.
I think you're reading far too much into it.
The price has been set, which I'm pretty sure wopuld have been mostly down to MON, so all that is to be done is the haggling. I'm sure that neither MON or Mancini would be involved. It was the same with Barry.
I don't really think what O'Neill said (interview in the Torygraph) is open to whole heap of interpretation:
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The Villa manager accepted that "ideally it is better if you know who is going to come and go then you can start making some sort of plans", but when asked whether he could request Lerner to hurry things along O'Neill said: "It is really in the owner's hand at the end of the day.
"Whatever they come up with, we will go with. I am not going to be running around dictating. If you own a football club, you can do what you want with it.
"If you had spent some money buying a football club you would want that as well."
He doesn't know who's coming or going, so can't make concrete plans. It's not just the Milner sale.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 02, 2010, 10:24:27 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
He doesn't know who's coming or going, so can't make concrete plans. It's not just the Milner sale.
I think it is. We've said all through the summer that targets and priorities would shift depending on whether Milner goes or not, and all I read into that is Martin saying much the same thing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2010, 11:19:05 AM
You must admit it's a bit of a change from the General saying things like:
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When it comes to a CEO, his/her efforts are not focused on the Football side of the house...that is the purview of the man charged with running that side of the house...in our case, MON. MON does have people who help him with transfers...he has lawyers, coaches, scouts, etc. etc. He does not need a CEO looking over his shoulder...and he does not have one.
and:
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Martin will NOT report to Paul...he will continue to have a one on one relationship with Randy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 02, 2010, 11:26:46 AM
But is he saying he isn't deciding who is coming or going, or that he's waiting to see if his requests/instructions go ahead?
As an example, Martin has told the board that he wants £30m for Milner or £20m and Ireland. His decision and not effected by the boards own views. They are now negotiating with Man City along those lines, but while that's happening Martin will not know exactly what his funds are or whether one player is going and maybe another coming.
Under those not circumstance, which aren't exactly fantastical, all statements made still ring true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2010, 11:29:20 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
As just said on another thread, MON has said it is totally in the hands of Lerner re this transfer and he does not know who he will and won't have in his squad this season as he is not in control of it basically. From being all things to all men to relinquishing a fair amount of control over transfers, some pretty hard words must have been had between Lerner and O'Neill, and the former clearly does not have the same trust as he did, and rightly so.
I think you're reading far too much into it.
The price has been set, which I'm pretty sure wopuld have been mostly down to MON, so all that is to be done is the haggling. I'm sure that neither MON or Mancini would be involved. It was the same with Barry.
I don't really think what O'Neill said (interview in the Torygraph) is open to whole heap of interpretation:
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The Villa manager accepted that "ideally it is better if you know who is going to come and go then you can start making some sort of plans", but when asked whether he could request Lerner to hurry things along O'Neill said: "It is really in the owner's hand at the end of the day.
"Whatever they come up with, we will go with. I am not going to be running around dictating. If you own a football club, you can do what you want with it.
"If you had spent some money buying a football club you would want that as well."
He doesn't know who's coming or going, so can't make concrete plans. It's not just the Milner sale.
I think his more recent comments about the Milner situation indicate a certain amount of disenchantment going on.
I think the best thing that could happen now is to reach decent terms to get rid of Milner so we can move on. It is going to start affecting the club negatively pretty soon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2010, 11:29:46 AM
I think it's simpler than that. The CEO used to have nothing to do with transfers, and now he does. Presumably to try and stop the waste of wages happening again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2010, 11:38:19 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
I think it's simpler than that. The CEO used to have nothing to do with transfers, and now he does. Presumably to try and stop the waste of wages happening again.
It is fairly clear from the comment that this is the case. And MON won't like it at all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 02, 2010, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
I think it's simpler than that. The CEO used to have nothing to do with transfers, and now he does. Presumably to try and stop the waste of wages happening again.
If that's the case, why are we talking about a CEO being involved in relation to an outgoing transfer only?
End of the day a lot can be read into these comments, but we'll never really know the exact mechanics behind the scenes
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2010, 12:06:01 PM
sorry John, but I'm certain something HAS changed. The General always made such a big point of telling us how closely O'Neill and Lerner worked together. Quotes like:
"Whatever they come up with, we will go with. I am not going to be running around dictating. If you own a football club, you can do what you want with it."
don't seem to indicate that that is the case any more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 02, 2010, 12:14:48 PM
I wouldn't rule out relationships changing slightly if not significantly. I for one am glad too, as I suggested earlier, I want the manager suggesting his targets and who he has no further need for, then leaving the rest up to the business monkeys whilst gets on with preparing the squad.
I still think he's very much "the man" when it comes to playing matters but he can and should defer other duties to make his job easier and if he didn't want to defer them they should be taken from him.
The wages are out of control vs value for money. They need to be brought under control again. I dont even think the amount of wages as % of turnover is the problem as I think its largely budgeted for. I think its the poor return from a sizeable share of those wages is the issue.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2010, 12:18:00 PM
Exactly as I see it, Mazrim. I'd hope that freeing him up will give him more time to spend with the players. It's where his focus should be.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2010, 12:19:12 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
sorry John, but I'm certain something HAS changed. The General always made such a big point of telling us how closely O'Neill and Lerner worked together. Quotes like:
"Whatever they come up with, we will go with. I am not going to be running around dictating. If you own a football club, you can do what you want with it."
don't seem to indicate that that is the case any more.
Ten days ago the General said "Randy has NOT lost his passion for the Club or has he lost his vision of the goal he has always set for the Villa. He has spent more time in the UK in the last 2 months than he has ever done before...he has been focused on the Club and has been working closely with MON."
Doesn't look like anything has changed to me but that won't stop people reading into it what they want to believe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 02, 2010, 12:22:05 PM
I dont think there can be any doubt that Randy works closely with MON. They have to. They need to.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 02, 2010, 01:16:22 PM
They do indeed, and that would still be the case if MON is doing less of 'everything' and more or specified managerial tasks. Chris, you have a unique ability to turn a blind eye to what others see, and it is clear from the comments there has been a shift, and certainly IMO a positive one for the club that MON is having to take a more advisor and not direct negotiator type roll where transfers are concerned.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Des Little on August 02, 2010, 02:11:08 PM
Does anyone know if Jimmy's 'bad back' is any better today? If it is, get him sold sharpish
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2010, 02:57:42 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
They do indeed, and that would still be the case if MON is doing less of 'everything' and more or specified managerial tasks. Chris, you have a unique ability to turn a blind eye to what others see, and it is clear from the comments there has been a shift, and certainly IMO a positive one for the club that MON is having to take a more advisor and not direct negotiator type roll where transfers are concerned.
You have a far from unique abiloity to take a titbit in the press and turn it into a fully formed theory.
There might have been a change in policy, who knows, but MON not being involved in negotaiting the size of the transfer fee gives no evidence to support it and there is equally nothing to back your claims that he's somehow going to be upset by it. It's what you want to believe therefore it is the truth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 02, 2010, 02:58:51 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
sorry John, but I'm certain something HAS changed. The General always made such a big point of telling us how closely O'Neill and Lerner worked together. Quotes like:
"Whatever they come up with, we will go with. I am not going to be running around dictating. If you own a football club, you can do what you want with it."
don't seem to indicate that that is the case any more.
Ten days ago the General said "Randy has NOT lost his passion for the Club or has he lost his vision of the goal he has always set for the Villa. He has spent more time in the UK in the last 2 months than he has ever done before...he has been focused on the Club and has been working closely with MON."
Doesn't look like anything has changed to me but that won't stop people reading into it what they want to believe.
O'Neill has stated that he has left the Milner transfer to Randy and Faulkner. He also says he doesn't know who else is coming or going. That is clearly different to when he and Randy worked on transfers together. If anybody's reading things differently to how they actually are, it's you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 02, 2010, 03:04:21 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Risso"
sorry John, but I'm certain something HAS changed. The General always made such a big point of telling us how closely O'Neill and Lerner worked together. Quotes like:
"Whatever they come up with, we will go with. I am not going to be running around dictating. If you own a football club, you can do what you want with it."
don't seem to indicate that that is the case any more.
Ten days ago the General said "Randy has NOT lost his passion for the Club or has he lost his vision of the goal he has always set for the Villa. He has spent more time in the UK in the last 2 months than he has ever done before...he has been focused on the Club and has been working closely with MON."
Doesn't look like anything has changed to me but that won't stop people reading into it what they want to believe.
O'Neill has stated that he has left the Milner transfer to Randy and Faulkner. He also says he doesn't know who else is coming or going. That is clearly different to when he and Randy worked on transfers together. If anybody's reading things differently to how they actually are, it's you.
The first bit is no different to the Barry transfer, once we have set a price it is then up to the clubs to come to an agreement. There is nothing for the manager to do in those circumstances.
The second is just a statement of fact. He can't know who is leaving until a bid is accepted but he has clearly decided who is surplus to requirements if we get the right offer. As for who is coming in, when has he ever said anything before it happens?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 02, 2010, 05:44:57 PM
Unconfirmed, but I've heard Milner's had a fall out with Martin, refused to play and will be gone by the weekend. Time will tell.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on August 02, 2010, 05:47:35 PM
It wouldn't surprise me. This 'back injury' seems rather dubious.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 02, 2010, 05:52:52 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Unconfirmed, but I've heard Milner's had a fall out with Martin, refused to play and will be gone by the weekend. Time will tell.
I hope it is resolved by the weekend, this is just getting tedious.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on August 02, 2010, 05:53:20 PM
Thanks for the memories, James.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 02, 2010, 06:13:57 PM
Bye James.
Ugly ******
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 02, 2010, 06:17:54 PM
I pray it's true, just so we can put an end to this tedious little fiasco. Get £25m for him then get some bodies in (McGeady and Jenas need not apply).
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2010, 06:27:44 PM
I'm sure that at the start of the friendly last night, the team line up showed Milner starting.
Whether that's because MON gave them the team expecting him to, but he then refused, I don't know.
^^ idle conjecture, by the way
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Tom_Mc9? on August 02, 2010, 06:30:39 PM
Well this is all ending unpleasantly, isn't it?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2010, 06:35:47 PM
SSN showed you Milner in the dug out holding his back and bending every so often, but like one or two others have said, it's best all round for us to get the deal done asap and let Martin get the players he wants in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dublinfran on August 02, 2010, 06:36:26 PM
i hope if this is true he gets spanked by Dunne on his return to Villa park..thats if he gets a game for them..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 02, 2010, 06:45:09 PM
Cant believe the club have gone for the old "back injury" Thought that was only used by former "Rover workers" when they had been on the lash all weekend ........
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 02, 2010, 06:51:03 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I'm sure that at the start of the friendly last night, the team line up showed Milner starting.
Whether that's because MON gave them the team expecting him to, but he then refused, I don't know.
I've just checked Paulie and it did.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on August 02, 2010, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: "WALTERS WARRIORS"
Cant believe the club have gone for the old "back injury" Thought that was only used by former "Rover workers" when they had been on the lash all weekend ........
The Rover bad back was a legitimate pass to a six-month paid holiday.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Surrey Villain on August 02, 2010, 07:00:31 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "WALTERS WARRIORS"
Cant believe the club have gone for the old "back injury" Thought that was only used by former "Rover workers" when they had been on the lash all weekend ........
The Rover bad back was a legitimate pass to a six-month paid holiday.
Legitimate?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 02, 2010, 07:05:14 PM
Quote from: "Legion"
It wouldn't surprise me. This 'back injury' seems rather dubious.
They also showed him on ssn speaking with Albrighton and he looked far from impressed
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 02, 2010, 07:05:31 PM
I can second the line-up, I made a comment about it at the time if you can be arsed to check. I just thought they'd screwed up because they missed out Shorey's first name when they had everyone else's.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2010, 07:08:12 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
Quote from: "Legion"
It wouldn't surprise me. This 'back injury' seems rather dubious.
They also showed him on ssn speaking with Albrighton and he looked far from impressed
Maybe it's the thought of the extra £40k a week he's missing out on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 02, 2010, 07:10:52 PM
Whatever's going on, just get it sorted 'cos it's getting on our collective tits now. Sod best price, just take the next offer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 02, 2010, 07:19:24 PM
Well, MON has said in the Telegraph that he hopes Milner's fit for Valencia. Mind you, what else was he going to say?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 02, 2010, 07:22:07 PM
I can see a BMH ban heading Milner's way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 02, 2010, 07:50:25 PM
Droopy has just said this about the transfer market:
"The market is a bit sluggish but I think there will be a bit of a flurry if [Aston Villa midfielder] James Milner goes to Manchester City," he added. "That could kick-start the whole market."
Do you think e knows something i.e. once villa get the Milner cash a deal is in place for Keane? Bentley etc etc etc
He also said that Spurs have to sell before they can buy so its not just villa that are in this predicament.
Personally I'd do a straight swap between Bentley and Davies. I'd imagine similar values and wages so it could happen without the Milner deal taking place.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 02, 2010, 07:59:40 PM
I think Redknapp might be right. Once Man City get Milner in, they may start letting the likes of Bellamy and Ireland go. If Bellamy goes to Spurs, then Redknapp in turn might let Keane go etc.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: RogerS on August 02, 2010, 08:10:25 PM
Quote from: "WALTERS WARRIORS"
Cant believe the club have gone for the old "back injury" Thought that was only used by former "Rover workers" when they had been on the lash all weekend ........
As I recall, you could three weeks off on the sick at Rover for a broken Thermos.
Allegedly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lee on August 02, 2010, 08:27:57 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Unconfirmed, but I've heard Milner's had a fall out with Martin, refused to play and will be gone by the weekend. Time will tell.
At a cheaper price too. This game we love is severely fucked.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: charlie on August 02, 2010, 08:32:22 PM
If he is playing silly buiggers and refusing, let him have a spell in the stiffs, spoil the wholesome boy next door image and see how he feels. Just wish manshite oil would implode, spoils the league totally.
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Post by: eastie on August 02, 2010, 10:31:01 PM
I hope you are right dave, I'll be glad to see it all done a d dusted and get on with our transfers, if it is £24m it's still way over what he's worth.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 02, 2010, 10:37:58 PM
How did Milner's medical go today? <<winky>>
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 02, 2010, 10:42:46 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I'm sure that at the start of the friendly last night, the team line up showed Milner starting.
Whether that's because MON gave them the team expecting him to, but he then refused, I don't know.
^^ idle conjecture, by the way
The Birmingham Mail said it was a clerical error on the part of the organisers. Although you would have thought they received a team sheet rather than guessed the line up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 02, 2010, 11:03:09 PM
Has the fucker gone yet?
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Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 02, 2010, 11:12:10 PM
So Martin doesn't know what is happening...
...so here is what you do Martin. Give them a deadline of Wednesday to get the deal done to the price you have in mind or tell them to shove their oil cash where the sun doesn't shine. Simple.
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Post by: eastie on August 02, 2010, 11:17:41 PM
Yep simple, and lose £15m or more on him next season when he goes?cutting off your nose to spite your face!
It's in the interests of Aston villa to take £24m which is well over what he's worth and move on!the lad wants to leave so let him go and take the cash. Man city have offered far more than he's worth in any case !
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Post by: eastie on August 02, 2010, 11:18:18 PM
Yep simple, and lose £15m or more on him next season when he goes?cutting off your nose to spite your face!
It's in the interests of Aston villa to take £24m which is well over what he's worth and move on!the lad wants to leave so let him go and take the cash. Man city have offered far more than he's worth in any case !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on August 02, 2010, 11:32:41 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Yep simple, and lose £15m or more on him next season when he goes?cutting off your nose to spite your face!
It's in the interests of Aston villa to take £24m which is well over what he's worth and move on!the lad wants to leave so let him go and take the cash. Man city have offered far more than he's worth in any case !
Do we really know what they have offered and what we will really accept. There have been many amounts mentioned in the press but do we know that they are even close to what we would accept. Maybe they are only at £18m. If that is the case and Milner is playing his face up I would say no deal. If it is at £24m, yes, I would say make the deal.
If he stays and we sell him next year, even if he only has 1 year left on his contract, there will be more than Man City that will want him and assuming he has a reasonable season his value will not drop below £20m. There is still the January window as well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 02, 2010, 11:35:42 PM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
If he stays and we sell him next year, even if he only has 1 year left on his contract, there will be more than Man City that will want him and assuming he has a reasonable season his value will not drop below £20m. There is still the January window as well.
Do you know what, I was thinking about just that earlier today, and I'm not 100 percent convinced.
Maybe it is some kind of subconscious re-evaluation now it looks like he wants out, but he's had one very good season thus far, that's not really conclusive evidence of his quality.
I have to say, though, that I don't think anyone, even Man City, would pay 20m for a player with one year left on his contract.
If we're about getting as much money as we can for him, this is the time to sell him. I would say that if we were keen on keeping him, then we should turn them down, but it appears he's made it quite clear he wants out now, so i suspect there is no way back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 02, 2010, 11:39:40 PM
There is some ITK stuff floating about saying that the deal will be £19m + Ireland. Would be over the moon with that to be honest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 02, 2010, 11:43:34 PM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
There is some ITK stuff floating about saying that the deal will be £19m + Ireland. Would be over the moon with that to be honest.
That would be superb. That's at least £30m pounds worth of goods coming our way.
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Post by: KevinGage on August 02, 2010, 11:49:18 PM
Aye.
Party hat and poppers all round.
I genuinely don't think there is much between Ireland and Milner ability wise. Milner is probably the steadier of the two, less prone to controversy.
But Ireland can do the unexpected, whether it's a defence splitting pass, rocking up to training in a pink Landrover or killing off both grannies in a single weekend.
If the deal is anything close to that I'd say that Citeh have been done up like a kipper. Again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2010, 12:02:04 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
If he stays and we sell him next year, even if he only has 1 year left on his contract, there will be more than Man City that will want him and assuming he has a reasonable season his value will not drop below £20m. There is still the January window as well.
Do you know what, I was thinking about just that earlier today, and I'm not 100 percent convinced.
Maybe it is some kind of subconscious re-evaluation now it looks like he wants out, but he's had one very good season thus far, that's not really conclusive evidence of his quality.
I have to say, though, that I don't think anyone, even Man City, would pay 20m for a player with one year left on his contract.
If we're about getting as much money as we can for him, this is the time to sell him. I would say that if we were keen on keeping him, then we should turn them down, but it appears he's made it quite clear he wants out now, so i suspect there is no way back.
If there is only one club in the market, yes, £20m is more than can be expected but if, say, Chelsea or somebody else is interested and at £20m they will be, provided he has a half decent season, then I can see us not losing too much in waiting.
Twelve months on he could be a permanent fixture in the England team or there again, maybe not. It only takes two clubs to be interested and the price rockets, one of them does not have to be too serious either. Also, we get a season out of a very good player.
Saying that, if an offer close to £25m or equivalent including player(s) (at reasonable valuation) is made I would take it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 03, 2010, 01:33:57 AM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
There is some ITK stuff floating about saying that the deal will be £19m + Ireland. Would be over the moon with that to be honest.
If that's even close to being true, I can't see anyone thinking this is a bad deal. In fact, I'd say (provided Ireland can keep his brain in his head), that it's the deal of the century. I'd have carefully considered a straight swap (yes, Milner is the harder working but he can't unlock a defence like Ireland can) but to have that kind of wedge thrown in is lovely.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2010, 01:41:51 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
There is some ITK stuff floating about saying that the deal will be £19m + Ireland. Would be over the moon with that to be honest.
If that's even close to being true, I can't see anyone thinking this is a bad deal. In fact, I'd say (provided Ireland can keep his brain in his head), that it's the deal of the century. I'd have carefully considered a straight swap (yes, Milner is the harder working but he can't unlock a defence like Ireland can) but to have that kind of wedge thrown in is lovely.
If you value Ireland at £6-7m, that's a very fair deal. To save face, you could value him at £10m and hey presto almost the £30m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 03, 2010, 01:50:38 AM
What would Ireland be worth with two years on his contract like Milner has?
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Post by: eamonn on August 03, 2010, 03:57:50 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
What would Ireland be worth with two years on his contract like Milner has?
This time last year, if Ireland had just finished the season he'd had with anyone else other than ManCiteh (arguably better than Milner last season) they, City, would be offering the same silly money for him that they're offering us right now for Milner. Expect Milner to be pawned off for whoever flavour of the month is next summer.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 03, 2010, 04:28:30 AM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
There is some ITK stuff floating about saying that the deal will be £19m + Ireland. Would be over the moon with that to be honest.
If my name was Martin O'Neill - DEAL.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 03, 2010, 07:22:24 AM
If we get 19 million and Ireland for Jimmy, and then get Keane too, we will be much much more creative that we were last season as neither stick to set positions.
19 million and Ireland though? They would never give us that much surely?
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Post by: rutski on August 03, 2010, 07:35:55 AM
i think ireland will be valued a lot less when the 25 man squad is named and he isnt in it! Another season on his contract gone and no football out of him plus paying him his whatever stupid money every week!
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Post by: Mazrim on August 03, 2010, 07:51:01 AM
If we get anything like £20m + Ireland I'm going to try and sell them these six magic beans too. I also have a job lot of Tartan paint.
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Post by: sid1964 on August 03, 2010, 08:30:45 AM
What happens if late on deadline day they offer 30 million for Milner then there would be no time to any deals to bring in players
This is what happened at Spurs when they sold berbatov to Utd
Personally I think the game is up sell him for the best price we can and move on!!
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Post by: Concrete John on August 03, 2010, 08:56:37 AM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
If you value Ireland at £6-7m, that's a very fair deal. To save face, you could value him at £10m and hey presto almost the £30m.
In the current market I think Ireland should be valued at around £10m. Given that the richest club in the world are trying to off load him because of new squad rules, it's hard to judge how that would effect things, but if we were buying him from anyone else I'd be expecting to pay around £10m.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on August 03, 2010, 09:14:25 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
What would Ireland be worth with two years on his contract like Milner has?
Whatever anyone was willing to pay. If he, and we, do well then it'd be worth another £20m or so from Man City.
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Post by: stevenjos on August 03, 2010, 09:25:40 AM
Glad everyones happy we're losing our best player again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 03, 2010, 09:29:17 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Glad everyones happy we're losing our best player again.
If he no longer wants to play for us, then yes, i'm happy for him to go.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 03, 2010, 09:38:13 AM
Quote from: "clampy"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Glad everyones happy we're losing our best player again.
If he no longer wants to play for us, then yes, i'm happy for him to go.
Yes, me too. I am already finding myself feeling pretty ambivalent towards him, much as I did towards Barry in his 'extra' season with us. However, my judgement is probably clouded by thinking Milner is very much over-rated. Are Hansen and Shearer still drooling over his 'awesome' cross against Algeria I wonder?
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 03, 2010, 09:40:15 AM
I've heard a rumour that Barry could be finally on his way to Liverpool when they sell Mascherano.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 03, 2010, 09:42:15 AM
I am a bitter with Milner as Villa and MoN have helped move him on massively. There has never been much gratitude from what I have seen (unlike Barry to be fair). I think we deserve better and I find it difficult to wish Milner any luck tbh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Walmley_Villa on August 03, 2010, 09:43:18 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I've heard a rumour that Barry could be finally on his way to Liverpool when they sell Mascherano.
I fear Liverpool will be on the rise once the ongoing ownership saga is resolved (which looks imminent). Barry would do well there under Hodgson I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 03, 2010, 10:06:09 AM
Quote from: LeeB
Quote from: "WALTERS WARRIORS"
Cant believe the club have gone for the old "back injury" Thought that was only used by former "Rover workers" when they had been on the lash all weekend ........
The Rover bad back was a legitimate pass to a six-month paid holiday.
Ye i know. I was on holiday with two of my mates who were on "back leave" in greece .............
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Post by: *shellac* on August 03, 2010, 10:17:44 AM
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
I fear Liverpool will be on the rise once the ongoing ownership saga is resolved (which looks imminent). Barry would do well there under Hodgson I think.
I thought he's interested in Christian Poulsen or Steven Defour to replace Javier Mascherano. Well, maybe Kenny Huang, that Chinese businessman meant business afterall.
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on August 03, 2010, 10:53:31 AM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Glad everyones happy we're losing our best player again.
Yep. especially given MON's record of signing many more duds than sucesses.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Olneythelonely on August 03, 2010, 11:00:37 AM
Quote from: "gregnash"
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Glad everyones happy we're losing our best player again.
Yep. especially given MON's record of signing many more duds than sucesses.
Awwww. I think it's lovely that you've found each other.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 03, 2010, 11:03:39 AM
Awwww...
Especially for you I wanna let you know I dont like MON too All the time we were apart I thought of you Mischief in my heart I've never changed I'm borderline insane.
Especially for you I wanna tell you I was feeling that way too And if brains were wings, you know I couldn't cross the room To be where you are Talking out your arse. And now that I'm next to you
No more dreaming about tomorrow Full of loneliness and sorrow I've got to say It's all because of you
(CHORUS) And now we're back together, together I wanna show you my nose is full of glue And all the love I have is Especially for you
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Post by: Concrete John on August 03, 2010, 11:04:48 AM
I'd be more concerned that should the two of them ever meet it could mean the end of life as we know it.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2010, 11:05:46 AM
Let's not start bickering again, shall we?
Ta
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Post by: Greg N'Ash on August 03, 2010, 11:06:25 AM
You can't really deny the facts. Out of the 30 odd players he's signed, you'd have to say only about 8 of the first team and Luke Young (who was good but the manager hates) can be called out and out sucesses
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 03, 2010, 11:23:37 AM
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I've heard a rumour that Barry could be finally on his way to Liverpool when they sell Mascherano.
I fear Liverpool will be on the rise once the ongoing ownership saga is resolved (which looks imminent). Barry would do well there under Hodgson I think.
I must confiess to being a bit confused as to Liverpool's financial position right now. OK, they may be able to sign Barry at a knock down fee, but his wages are huge. Surely that's not an extra financial burden they are in a position to make, which is backed up by not being able to match Luke Young's wages? Yet they've just signed Joe Cole on £90k a week, which is hardly going to lessen their debt issues.
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Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 03, 2010, 11:29:26 AM
I hipe Liverpool DO buy Barry. Maybe it'll make other footballers sit up and take note that you go to Man City for a good time, not a long time.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2010, 12:28:40 PM
If we managed to get £19 million plus Ireland, I think I'd be dancing in the streets, but I can't see it.
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Post by: Dave on August 03, 2010, 12:39:45 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I have to say, though, that I don't think anyone, even Man City, would pay 20m for a player with one year left on his contract.
Although they did pay £17m for Nigel De Jong who only had six months left on his contract.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 03, 2010, 12:44:41 PM
And they wonder why everybody tries to take the piss out of them.
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Post by: Lee on August 03, 2010, 12:45:28 PM
Quote from: "stevenjos"
Glad everyones happy we're losing our best player again.
We're not happy, but if we are gonna pull out some miraculous deal that makes us better off (ie. Ireland + a good wedge) Then that would be the spoonful of sugar so to speak.
I'm sure that they are thinking the same on VT ;¬)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on August 03, 2010, 12:58:03 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Let's not start bickering again, shall we?
Ta
is it wrong that it made me laugh ? :-)
UTV the Doc
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 03, 2010, 01:06:28 PM
Quote from: Dr Butler
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Let's not start bickering again, shall we?
Ta
is it wrong that it made me laugh ? :-)
UTV the Doc
I enjoyed it to. I even sang the words haaaaaaa
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Macho Man Randy Savage on August 03, 2010, 01:12:40 PM
Quote from: "John M"
Quote from: "Walmley_Villa"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I've heard a rumour that Barry could be finally on his way to Liverpool when they sell Mascherano.
I fear Liverpool will be on the rise once the ongoing ownership saga is resolved (which looks imminent). Barry would do well there under Hodgson I think.
I must confiess to being a bit confused as to Liverpool's financial position right now. OK, they may be able to sign Barry at a knock down fee, but his wages are huge. Surely that's not an extra financial burden they are in a position to make, which is backed up by not being able to match Luke Young's wages? Yet they've just signed Joe Cole on £90k a week, which is hardly going to lessen their debt issues.
Maybe they don't want to pay Luke Young £40k a week to sit on the bench in the same that we don't want to.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on August 03, 2010, 01:25:41 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I have to say, though, that I don't think anyone, even Man City, would pay 20m for a player with one year left on his contract.
A bit late to the debate but De Jong was out of contract in the summer 2009 and they apparently paid 18mil for him.
Edit: Three pages later and Dave had beaten me to it.
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Post by: BedsVillain on August 03, 2010, 04:26:24 PM
Just saw King Carlos on SSN saying that if Milner leaves he will be replaced, with a 'it's no big deal' kind of attitude about him! The rest was pretty hard to dicipher.
But it did look like he was wearing a poncho over his training top, which is a look I like a lot!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on August 03, 2010, 06:18:51 PM
Quote from: "gregnash"
You can't really deny the facts. Out of the 30 odd players he's signed, you'd have to say only about 8 of the first team and Luke Young (who was good but the manager hates) can be called out and out sucesses
Even Sir A makes mistakes, when he first joined Utd the fans wanted to sack him after a few seasons.
Hadn't heard it for a while so thought I'd throw it into the hat :)
Article in the Guradian about Mon being lucky to finish in the top 6 even if he does his usual last minute purchases, especially if we lose Milner and Downing does not step up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 03, 2010, 08:08:31 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I have to say, though, that I don't think anyone, even Man City, would pay 20m for a player with one year left on his contract.
Although they did pay £17m for Nigel De Jong who only had six months left on his contract.
And had a release clause that allowed him to move for £5million.
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Post by: olaftab on August 03, 2010, 10:25:20 PM
It is time for MON and Milner to make up and prepare for Valencia match. There is nothing coming fron Manshittie.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on August 03, 2010, 10:39:16 PM
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "gregnash"
You can't really deny the facts. Out of the 30 odd players he's signed, you'd have to say only about 8 of the first team and Luke Young (who was good but the manager hates) can be called out and out sucesses
Even Sir A makes mistakes, when he first joined Utd the fans wanted to sack him after a few seasons.
Hadn't heard it for a while so thought I'd throw it into the hat :)
Article in the Guradian about Mon being lucky to finish in the top 6 even if he does his usual last minute purchases, especially if we lose Milner and Downing does not step up.
I see Man Utd sold the next wonder boy Tosic who they paid around £14m for to CSKA for an undisclosed fee (expected to be around £8m) after playing only a handful of games for Man Utd.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 04, 2010, 04:19:58 AM
Quote from: "old man villa fan"
Quote from: "sfx412"
Quote from: "gregnash"
You can't really deny the facts. Out of the 30 odd players he's signed, you'd have to say only about 8 of the first team and Luke Young (who was good but the manager hates) can be called out and out sucesses
Even Sir A makes mistakes, when he first joined Utd the fans wanted to sack him after a few seasons.
Hadn't heard it for a while so thought I'd throw it into the hat :)
Article in the Guradian about Mon being lucky to finish in the top 6 even if he does his usual last minute purchases, especially if we lose Milner and Downing does not step up.
I see Man Utd sold the next wonder boy Tosic who they paid around £14m for to CSKA for an undisclosed fee (expected to be around £8m) after playing only a handful of games for Man Utd.
The £20m on Anderson looks a good bit of business too. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/01/manchester-united-anderson-car-crash
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 08:01:25 AM
There's a picture of him lying on the grass after the crash. Why is he in his Man Utd kit and how lucky is he a member of their medical staff was there to help him?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 04, 2010, 08:09:24 AM
And he's wearing blades. Bastard things to drive with.
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Post by: ozzjim on August 04, 2010, 01:26:52 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
There's a picture of him lying on the grass after the crash. Why is he in his Man Utd kit and how lucky is he a member of their medical staff was there to help him?
Link?
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Post by: Somniloquism on August 04, 2010, 01:41:58 PM
The pic is in the original story link in the post by Dante.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2010, 01:52:34 PM
Gpoing back on-topic, a question:
In your Villa-supporting lifetime how many players have been worth, at current market prices, £25 million?
I can think of Gary Shaw and Andy Gray definitely, David Platt and Dwight Yorke possibly. Before anyone says the obvious, no club would risk that much on Paul McGrath given his age and injury record.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 04, 2010, 01:55:35 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
There's a picture of him lying on the grass after the crash. Why is he in his Man Utd kit and how lucky is he a member of their medical staff was there to help him?
Anyone got any links to pictures of Rooney pissing up a wall in Manchester? or smoking?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dan England on August 04, 2010, 01:55:54 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Gpoing back on-topic, a question:
In your Villa-supporting lifetime how many players have been worth, at current market prices, £25 million?
I can think of Gary Shaw and Andy Gray definitely, David Platt and Dwight Yorke possibly. Before anyone says the obvious, no club would risk that much on Paul McGrath given his age and injury record.
Sid Cowans and Merse although before he played for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 02:01:59 PM
Quote from: "Chico Hamilton III"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
There's a picture of him lying on the grass after the crash. Why is he in his Man Utd kit and how lucky is he a member of their medical staff was there to help him?
Anyone got any links to pictures of Rooney pissing up a wall in Manchester? or smoking?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rob Gee on August 04, 2010, 02:03:58 PM
Quote from: "Chico Hamilton III"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
There's a picture of him lying on the grass after the crash. Why is he in his Man Utd kit and how lucky is he a member of their medical staff was there to help him?
Anyone got any links to pictures of Rooney pissing up a wall in Manchester? or smoking?
The Sun Pics (http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3079249/Alex-Ferguson-fury-at-Wayne-Rooney-bender-amd-Anderson-car-crash.html)
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Post by: Mazrim on August 04, 2010, 02:07:39 PM
Another top motor is wasted on a complete fucking waste of spunk moron.
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Post by: andyaston on August 04, 2010, 03:54:58 PM
Sid Cowans was probably the best midfielder we had in modern times. A 25 year old version of him would be worth more than Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 04, 2010, 04:09:41 PM
Quote from: "andyaston"
Sid Cowans was probably the best midfielder we had in modern times. A 25 year old version of him would be worth more than Milner.
Yet we sold him to Bari for £250,000.
One of my favourite ever players and to me Milner isn't in the same class however he was never valued in that sort of bracket when he was playing and with the way the modern game is I doubt he would be now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2010, 04:36:36 PM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "andyaston"
Sid Cowans was probably the best midfielder we had in modern times. A 25 year old version of him would be worth more than Milner.
Yet we sold him to Bari for £250,000.
One of my favourite ever players and to me Milner isn't in the same class however he was never valued in that sort of bracket when he was playing and with the way the modern game is I doubt he would be now.
You're getting old Chris, I think it was closer to £500,000. For me, the best Villa player I've ever seen. Milner doesn't even come close.
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Post by: Clampy on August 04, 2010, 04:38:26 PM
Collymore maybe. Not based on his Villa perfomances obviously, but on his ability alone. I'm not sure he realised how good he was.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ian c. on August 04, 2010, 05:00:38 PM
Cowans would top the list for me (possibly a dose of misty eyed nostalgia.)
Shaw, Little, Yorke, Platt.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2010, 05:13:21 PM
Much as I love Brian Little he wouldn't be worth that much and neither would Sid, whose best years were lost to injury and Italy.
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Post by: KevinGage on August 04, 2010, 05:23:02 PM
Quote from: "clampy"
Collymore maybe. Not based on his Villa perfomances obviously, but on his ability alone. I'm not sure he realised how good he was.
Dalian Atkinson I always rated as the more gifted of the two.
If Dalian had had Deano's work ethic he could have played for the best sides on the continent.
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 04, 2010, 06:01:42 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
You're getting old Chris, I think it was closer to £500,000. For me, the best Villa player I've ever seen. Milner doesn't even come close.
Milner isn't fit to lace Sid's boots, and I only saw him from '88 onwards. I'd loved to have seen him in his pomp.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on August 04, 2010, 06:12:23 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "andyaston"
Sid Cowans was probably the best midfielder we had in modern times. A 25 year old version of him would be worth more than Milner.
Yet we sold him to Bari for £250,000.
One of my favourite ever players and to me Milner isn't in the same class however he was never valued in that sort of bracket when he was playing and with the way the modern game is I doubt he would be now.
You're getting old Chris, I think it was closer to £500,000. For me, the best Villa player I've ever seen. Milner doesn't even come close.
Didn't we get about £600,00 for both Sid and Rideout? Sid being valued at £400,00 and Rideout £200,00? Something like that anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dicedlam on August 04, 2010, 06:45:42 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
For me, the best Villa player I've ever seen. Milner doesn't even come close.
Not even in the same league.
Totally agree Mark, best player I have ever seen in a Villa shirt.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on August 04, 2010, 09:11:09 PM
Quote from: "saunders_heroes"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "andyaston"
Sid Cowans was probably the best midfielder we had in modern times. A 25 year old version of him would be worth more than Milner.
Yet we sold him to Bari for £250,000.
One of my favourite ever players and to me Milner isn't in the same class however he was never valued in that sort of bracket when he was playing and with the way the modern game is I doubt he would be now.
You're getting old Chris, I think it was closer to £500,000. For me, the best Villa player I've ever seen. Milner doesn't even come close.
Didn't we get about £600,00 for both Sid and Rideout? Sid being valued at £400,00 and Rideout £200,00? Something like that anyway.
I remember it being £800,000 for the pair.
Another feather in the cap of the master businessman.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 04, 2010, 09:16:43 PM
Speaking of which, there was an interview with the old coot a few weeks back and the subject turned to Milner.
You could see his eyes light up. Not in the pride of talking about the players progress and his performances last year but the imminent transfer fee. In fact I don't think he spoke about Milner the player at all, just what we might get for him.
It was similar with Gareth Barry a few years ago. I'm not sure why Sky Sports still think he's current, but they do.
You just know if Herbert had been in charge there would have been none of this messing about re transfer fees. He'd have accepted the first offer in both instances.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 04, 2010, 10:06:19 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Gpoing back on-topic, a question:
In your Villa-supporting lifetime how many players have been worth, at current market prices, £25 million?
I can think of Gary Shaw and Andy Gray definitely, David Platt and Dwight Yorke possibly. Before anyone says the obvious, no club would risk that much on Paul McGrath given his age and injury record.
Agree with your list. Add Bruce Rioch and John Gidman.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2010, 10:28:59 PM
Platt and Yorke.
Atkinson if he could be arsed and Collymore if he wanted it.
Southgate?
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Post by: Mister E on August 04, 2010, 10:41:15 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Gpoing back on-topic, a question:
In your Villa-supporting lifetime how many players have been worth, at current market prices, £25 million?
I can think of Gary Shaw and Andy Gray definitely, David Platt and Dwight Yorke possibly. Before anyone says the obvious, no club would risk that much on Paul McGrath given his age and injury record.
Agree with your list. Add Bruce Rioch and John Gidman.
People talk about Sid, and I agree he was class. Best player I saw in a Villa shirt was Brian Little - priceless.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 04, 2010, 10:41:52 PM
I really hope Milner fucks off soon.
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 04, 2010, 10:47:39 PM
I think Platt and Yorke would comfortably fetch £25m in todays market. Nobody else in my time though.
No-one in their right mind would waste that kind of cash on enigmas like Atkinson or Collymore.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 04, 2010, 10:54:34 PM
So what we're all pretty much united on is that not many of our players would be worth £25 million, and Milner isn't one of them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 04, 2010, 11:03:48 PM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I really hope Milner fucks off soon.
Same. I genuinely think Ireland would be better for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 04, 2010, 11:15:39 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
I really hope Milner fucks off soon.
Same. I genuinely think Ireland would be better for us.
I agree, this could be a great deal for Villa. Ireland is a very good player
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 04, 2010, 11:22:57 PM
Not only Ireland, it looks like we've managed to keep hold of Super Stevie Sidwell.
Player may have to see out his contract at Villa Park clicky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/04/steve-sidwell-villa-fulham[/url)
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Post by: KevinGage on August 04, 2010, 11:25:37 PM
It's like a new signing.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 04, 2010, 11:26:34 PM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
Not only Ireland, it looks like we've managed to keep hold of Super Stevie Sidwell.
Player may have to see out his contract at Villa Park clicky (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/04/steve-sidwell-villa-fulham[/url)
And that, in my opinion, players seeing out their contracts with us, as they're perfectly entitled to do, is the smoking gun which will do for MON.
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 04, 2010, 11:28:48 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
It's like a new signing.
Can he play right back?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 05, 2010, 12:29:53 AM
Sadly, there's little about on youtube featuring Cowans. But there is this:
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Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 05, 2010, 12:37:28 AM
And a little of Sir Brian:
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Post by: usav on August 05, 2010, 12:39:24 AM
Hoddle was a wonderful player at times. In fact that England team (82-86) should have won a major competition.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on August 05, 2010, 12:43:24 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
So what we're all pretty much united on is that not many of our players would be worth £25 million, and Milner isn't one of them.
In pure monetary terms a player is only worth what another club will pay for that player.
To the club that has the player, the player may be worth equivalent to £xm in that this is the amount they would have to spend to replace him in the team, whether it be by one or more players.
If Man City want to pay £25m for Milner, that is what he is worth. However, what I think you mean is, Milner is not value for money at £25m when you compare him with another player like, say Essien who cost about the same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 05, 2010, 01:25:53 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Sadly, there's little about on youtube featuring Cowans. But there is this:
There never is of our boys, there's dick all of McGrath unless it's Man Utd or Ireland and barely anything in claret and blue for Yorke.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 01:28:33 AM
Here's a thought - what if these rich Chinese take over Liverpool in the next couple of weeks, and then snatch Milner from under City's nose like City did to them with Barry? Now there's a mindfuck.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 01:34:46 AM
Quote from: "usav"
Hoddle was a wonderful player at times. In fact that England team (82-86) should have won a major competition.
Sadly, Greenwood didn't pick the right players in '82 (ie, almost none of our players), which was easily our best chance as the Italians dealt with Brazil and the French, good as they were, hadn't quite matured into the side they were in '84, which was better than almost any team we've ever had. As for '86 - well, I think we all know what happened there to the minute.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adrenachrome on August 05, 2010, 01:36:26 AM
Quote from: "Monty"
Here's a thought - what if these rich Chinese take over Liverpool in the next couple of weeks, and then snatch Milner from under City's nose like City did to them with Barry? Now there's a mindfuck.
Nice thought.
But it will take more than a mindfuck to unfuck this clusterfuck.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 05, 2010, 01:45:19 AM
Racist Scotts at 6:40.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2010, 01:45:51 AM
Quote from: "usav"
Hoddle was a wonderful player at times. In fact that England team (82-86) should have won a major competition.
Is it bordering on drowing fluffy kittens to say the reason they didn't do as well as they should was because the manager was...gasp.....not very good?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 02:05:21 AM
Quote from: "Monty"
Here's a thought - what if these rich Chinese take over Liverpool in the next couple of weeks, and then snatch Milner from under City's nose like City did to them with Barry? Now there's a mindfuck.
With any luck and hopefully they will take Barry too
ps you have less than zero chance of signing Stevie Ireland
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 02:08:45 AM
Quote from: "citychris"
Quote from: "Monty"
Here's a thought - what if these rich Chinese take over Liverpool in the next couple of weeks, and then snatch Milner from under City's nose like City did to them with Barry? Now there's a mindfuck.
With any luck and hopefully they will take Barry too
ps you have less than zero chance of signing Stevie Ireland
I think that was banter. I can't be sure, but I could swear I just got bantered.
Welcome, by the way. Any evidence? And Barry's not a bad player. I'd have thought he was the ideal man if you have Yaya Toure.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 02:29:05 AM
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "citychris"
Quote from: "Monty"
Here's a thought - what if these rich Chinese take over Liverpool in the next couple of weeks, and then snatch Milner from under City's nose like City did to them with Barry? Now there's a mindfuck.
With any luck and hopefully they will take Barry too
ps you have less than zero chance of signing Stevie Ireland
I think that was banter. I can't be sure, but I could swear I just got bantered.
Welcome, by the way. Any evidence? And Barry's not a bad player. I'd have thought he was the ideal man if you have Yaya Toure.
cheers monty, no hard evidence to be fair on Ireland apart from a quoted piece in the local rag where he stated that he wants to fight for his place and will give it till at least January, but hey this is city and nobody knows what the fuck is going on- not even mancini me thinks.
As for Barry, he ie decent enough, but after a good start last year he went downhill (tbh he started playing crap after your lot gave him a right good booing at villa park)
Oh, and always look after Dunnie- a true City hero
Good luck for the season btw, hope you have a good'un
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Post by: KevinGage on August 05, 2010, 02:34:28 AM
First part sounds like standard football speak.
I imagine it will be a wretch if he does go, he's been at Citeh since he was a kid. But if he's not going to be in Mancini's 25 there's no point in him hanging about.
Whether he moves to us is a different story altogether, he'll have a pick of a few sides I'd imagine.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 05, 2010, 07:00:52 AM
Quote from: "citychris"
As for Barry, he ie decent enough, but after a good start last year he went downhill
Yep, he's settled into his "one game in four" routine. Still, it's not like he's costing you a fortune every week.
oh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 08:04:12 AM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "usav"
Hoddle was a wonderful player at times. In fact that England team (82-86) should have won a major competition.
Is it bordering on drowing fluffy kittens to say the reason they didn't do as well as they should was because the manager was...gasp.....not very good?
They'd have done better if they'd had the manager everybody wanted.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 05, 2010, 08:15:47 AM
The Torygraph are reporting a player plus cash deal could be on the cards with Ireland valued at £11m - £12m and Milner wants to meet with Randy tomorrow.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 08:23:30 AM
Less than zero chance of signing Ireland? How so?
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Post by: ktvillan on August 05, 2010, 09:07:09 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "usav"
Hoddle was a wonderful player at times. In fact that England team (82-86) should have won a major competition.
Is it bordering on drowing fluffy kittens to say the reason they didn't do as well as they should was because the manager was...gasp.....not very good?
They'd have done better if they'd had the manager everybody wanted.
Uncle Bobby got a knighthood despite failing to qualify for the 1984 Euro finals, because England managed to stumble their way past Belgium and Cameroon to the semi at Italia 90. Marvellous.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 05, 2010, 09:15:38 AM
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
The Torygraph are reporting a player plus cash deal could be on the cards with Ireland valued at £11m - £12m and Milner wants to meet with Randy tomorrow.
"Please be reasonable Randy and let me go for whatever they offer, I'm desperate ... to pick up my £90k per week".
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Post by: *shellac* on August 05, 2010, 09:20:13 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
The Torygraph are reporting a player plus cash deal could be on the cards with Ireland valued at £11m - £12m and Milner wants to meet with Randy tomorrow.
"Please be reasonable Randy and let me go for whatever they offer, I'm desperate ... to pick up my £90k per week".
"And be part of the Elite Squad within two years."
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 05, 2010, 09:30:11 AM
Quote from: "*shellac*"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
The Torygraph are reporting a player plus cash deal could be on the cards with Ireland valued at £11m - £12m and Milner wants to meet with Randy tomorrow.
"Please be reasonable Randy and let me go for whatever they offer, I'm desperate ... to pick up my £90k per week".
"And be part of the Elite Squad within two years."
"playing alongside fat boy Barry"
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Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 10:29:05 AM
What kind of arrogant deluded gobshite club call their reserves "Elite" when their first team have accomplished the grand sum of fuck all?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 05, 2010, 10:29:41 AM
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
The Torygraph are reporting a player plus cash deal could be on the cards with Ireland valued at £11m - £12m and Milner wants to meet with Randy tomorrow.
"Please be reasonable Randy and let me go for whatever they offer, I'm desperate ... to pick up my £90k per week".
I bet they're offering him a lot more than that.
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Post by: Des Little on August 05, 2010, 11:53:10 AM
I'm sure Randy will tell him he'll go when the time and price suits us, and not him. Tell him bollocks!
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 12:23:19 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
First part sounds like standard football speak.
I imagine it will be a wretch if he does go, he's been at Citeh since he was a kid. But if he's not going to be in Mancini's 25 there's no point in him hanging about.
Whether he moves to us is a different story altogether, he'll have a pick of a few sides I'd imagine.
I'd like to think that we'd be the best offer available to him. He'd play every week in our team, so it's a no-brainer between us and Sunderland, and I'd hope we could offer him more than Everton.
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Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 01:48:12 PM
I totally agree with the reserves being called the "elite" squad is stupid. I have to say though it isnt for the likes of Barry, swp etc it is for the 18-21 group of players.
As I said earlier, Stevie Ireland has stated he wants to stay and fight for his place till at least the next transfer window, he also has 3 years left on his contract at around 80 grand a week.
Personally I would rather have Ireland than Milner, and if that swap was to go ahead you would defo have the better end of the deal. According to cookie btw City would want at least 15 million for Ireland.
One last thing that I would have to agree with you on is that if Ireland was to go, it wouldnt be the likes of Sunderland and defo not Everton. Villa would be competing with Arsenal and Liverpool though.
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 02:07:37 PM
Quote from: "citychris"
One last thing that I would have to agree with you on is that if Ireland was to go, it wouldnt be the likes of Sunderland and defo not Everton. Villa would be competing with Arsenal and Liverpool though.
I can't see that, myself. Liverpool have Joe Cole and Steven Gerrard for the Ireland role, and Arsenal have so many young creative attacking midfielders that they'd probably be pleased to be rid of a couple. Given that scenario, and as you say Ireland as too good for Sunderland and too expensive for Everton, if he were to go Villa wouldn't be the best option - it would be the only option.
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Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 02:26:52 PM
Villa would be a great place for him to go to, I dont doubt that, but the scousers have been linked with him for a while and the Arsenal situation depends on Fabregas.
He is a very good player, a bit of a mentalist but he would give you all a good laugh, but Id rather you took Kolo Toure, Gareth Barry and JO!!
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Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 02:31:57 PM
Of course he wants to stay and fight for his place, he's been there all his career, but if he's left out of the 25 man squad he'll want off sharpish and he'd be worth a lot less.
He'll be wanting to link up with his best mate Dunney, no doubt.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 05, 2010, 02:33:05 PM
Quote from: "citychris"
He is a very good player, a bit of a mentalist but he would give you all a good laugh, but Id rather you took Kolo Toure, Gareth Barry and JO!!
I'm sure you would. Unfortunately, we're not that stupid.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 05, 2010, 02:36:07 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
First part sounds like standard football speak.
I imagine it will be a wretch if he does go, he's been at Citeh since he was a kid. But if he's not going to be in Mancini's 25 there's no point in him hanging about.
Whether he moves to us is a different story altogether, he'll have a pick of a few sides I'd imagine.
I'd like to think that we'd be the best offer available to him. He'd play every week in our team, so it's a no-brainer between us and Sunderland, and I'd hope we could offer him more than Everton.
That would be the hope.
But Tottingham are/ were keen as well, 'arry giving it the usual "he's a triffic player," routine. He even mentioned a valuation. Which was nice.
Hughes at Fulham might also change the picture, as he seems to have got the best out of him in the past.
I wouldn't discount Everton either. Similar sized club to us, not much between us and them squad-wise. Plus he'd have the benefit of not having to move.
I can't see Arsenal or Liverpool being in for him though. He's Irish, which is almost foreign. But not foreign enough for Arsene. And I can't see a gap for him at Liverpool with Gerrard and Cole taking up the spots he'd most likely play.
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 02:48:12 PM
I don't think the Evertron could outbid us, nor Fulham, and Man City have to say yes to a bid first. Also, didn't Redknapp say they can't afford him? (Presumably because they aren't prioritising a creative central midfielder.)
If that's true, you'd hope we're the only choice for him.
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Post by: Chris Smith on August 05, 2010, 02:53:12 PM
Quote
I wouldn't discount Everton either. Similar sized club to us, not much between us and them squad-wise. Plus he'd have the benefit of not having to move
An Everton fan I spoke to a while back thought they would only want Ireland if Arteta went.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2010, 02:56:39 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
The Torygraph are reporting a player plus cash deal could be on the cards with Ireland valued at £11m - £12m and Milner wants to meet with Randy tomorrow.
"Please be reasonable Randy and let me go for whatever they offer, I'm desperate ... to pick up my £90k per week".
I bet they're offering him a lot more than that.
A rag - can't remember which - said that the wages on offer were 80k/week which is roughly the same as what Villa have/will offer.
How they actually know this I have no idea, so assume I they're plucking numbers from thin air.
ps - Thanks city chris for coming on and providing reasoned debate rather than abuse. I can only speak for myself but I like it when other club's fans visit us and provide a honest/informed and usually differing opinion (sendo being the prime example).
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Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 03:17:57 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "citychris"
He is a very good player, a bit of a mentalist but he would give you all a good laugh, but Id rather you took Kolo Toure, Gareth Barry and JO!!
I'm sure you would. Unfortunately, we're not that stupid.
Im sure your not maz, but MON did buy heskey, Harewood and Sidwell.
Ireland btw will not be signing for Everton as City wont do business with them after the Lescott affir last seasoN.
Also Ireland will 100% be in the 25, we dont have as many players as you think and once you take out Gonzales, Etuhu, Logan, Caciedo and Jo who have no chance of getting in 25, we are actually left on 24. Factor in M Johnson who wont be fit until the new year and we are down to 23. We have 14 home growners and the rest are under 21. Dont believe the shit the press come out with or sky sports, they are just worried we will affect their beloved big 4.
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Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 03:26:03 PM
Quote from: "Dante Lavelli"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Chris Smith"
Quote from: "Mark Kelly"
The Torygraph are reporting a player plus cash deal could be on the cards with Ireland valued at £11m - £12m and Milner wants to meet with Randy tomorrow.
"Please be reasonable Randy and let me go for whatever they offer, I'm desperate ... to pick up my £90k per week".
I bet they're offering him a lot more than that.
A rag - can't remember which - said that the wages on offer were 80k/week which is roughly the same as what Villa have/will offer.
How they actually know this I have no idea, so assume I they're plucking numbers from thin air.
ps - Thanks city chris for coming on and providing reasoned debate rather than abuse. I can only speak for myself but I like it when other club's fans visit us and provide a honest/informed and usually differing opinion (sendo being the prime example).
Cheers Dante, I dont see the point in coming on and giving abuse. Obviously I am a City fan (34 years a season ticket holder) but I love football in general and like the banter with other teams
Villa , are also one of my fav clubs aside from City, I think it was coz my dad took me to Villa Park for the 81 cup semi when we beat Ipswich 1-0 and we were well looked after by the staffand people of Villa.
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Post by: LeeB on August 05, 2010, 03:29:10 PM
You seem ok, so I'll concede that your old Platt Lane stand was and is still my favourite away end.
But do yourselves a favour and hound out that soulless bluenose bell-end Gary Cock.
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Post by: Chico Hamilton III on August 05, 2010, 03:29:46 PM
Quote from: "citychris"
my dad took me to Villa Park for the 81 cup semi when we beat Ipswich 1-0 and we were well looked after by the staffand people of Villa.
I was there for that. What a rocket from Paul Power.
We were in the Witton end with the Man City fans and our dad heard Kevin Beattie's arm snap when he fell over and bust it.
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Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 03:30:03 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
You seem ok, so I'll concede that your old Platt Lane stand was and is still my favourite away end.
But do yourselves a favour and hound out that soulless bluenose bell-end Gary Cock.
That really would be doing themselves a favour, the guy is a liability with the football understanding of Clive Woodward.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2010, 03:37:03 PM
City was always the best away trip in the league. The Crown & Anchor by the old sorting office was so good we used to find excuses to go back there if we'd been playing as far away as Leeds.
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Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 03:44:22 PM
Have to agree re gary ******, he has done us no favours in the popularity stakes thats for sure. The twat even called us Man U****d once, but no end of complaints from fellow blues can get rid of him, Marwood aint much better btw.
The platt lane was where I sat for many a year before it was given to away fans on police advice (the hooly years). The good thing though, the piles soon cleared up not having to sit on them wooden planks.
How things have changed, next season City have put in 1000 heated seats with internet connection in the colin bell stand (mind you, I think its about 3 grand a season to sit in them)
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 05, 2010, 03:44:33 PM
Caciedo isn't that bad is he?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 03:47:52 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
City was always the best away trip in the league. The Crown & Anchor by the old sorting office was so good we used to find excuses to go back there if we'd been playing as far away as Leeds.
Thats going back a bit Dave, you are showing your age lol You are right the concrete Eastlands aint a patch on the decrepit old mismatched stands that was Maine Road
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Post by: Ads on August 05, 2010, 03:49:46 PM
Quote from: "citychris"
How things have changed, next season City have put in 1000 heated seats with internet connection in the colin bell stand (mind you, I think its about 3 grand a season to sit in them)
You're not a Bell Ender then?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 03:50:48 PM
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quote="PaulTheVillan"]Caciedo isn't that bad is he?[/quote]
Think a poor mans Emile Heskey Paul
Tbf, he is only 22 and maybe he will come good, but if someone offered us 5p I think we would snap their hands off
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 05, 2010, 03:51:33 PM
Quote from: "citychris"
Have to agree re gary c***, he has done us no favours in the popularity stakes thats for sure. The twat even called us Man U****d once, but no end of complaints from fellow blues can get rid of him, Marwood aint much better btw.
The platt lane was where I sat for many a year before it was given to away fans on police advice (the hooly years). The good thing though, the piles soon cleared up not having to sit on them wooden planks.
How things have changed, next season City have put in 1000 heated seats with internet connection in the colin bell stand (mind you, I think its about 3 grand a season to sit in them)
Ah, the Bell End ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 05, 2010, 03:52:39 PM
Seats with internet connections?!! What the f**k. Why?
Seriously how have they tried to sell this facility? I could understand them having WiFi in the associated corporate lounge but what internet will they need during the game that 3G could not provide?
[note: I have next to no idea what half of those terms mean so don't get too technical]
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 03:53:02 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "citychris"
How things have changed, next season City have put in 1000 heated seats with internet connection in the colin bell stand (mind you, I think its about 3 grand a season to sit in them)
You're not a Bell Ender then?
lol nah, although the ex misses might disagree with me. I sit in the East stand, not far from the away fans
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citychris on August 05, 2010, 03:58:37 PM
Quote from: "Dante Lavelli"
Seats with internet connections?!! What the f**k. Why?
Seriously how have they tried to sell this facility? I could understand them having WiFi in the associated corporate lounge but what internet will they need during the game that 3G could not provide?
[note: I have next to no idea what half of those terms mean so don't get too technical]
To be honest, i havent got a clue why or how but allegedly they have sold the lot. It might make more sense if I told you that it is a Gary C*** idea, he thinks he's american y'know.
It could be for when are playing shit and the arabs want a quick hand shandy. Personally if I wanted a warm arse and the net, I'd just stay at home
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 05, 2010, 03:59:23 PM
Ah so you’re one of the Stockportite’s that stands there and hurls abuse at us for 90 minutes?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 05, 2010, 05:27:59 PM
Aye.
Always had a lot of time for Citeh. I'm sure you'll have a fair amount of cocks jumping on the bandwagon, something we've only had a small dose of in recent years.
But getting 25-30,000 gates in the Second (or old Third) division a few years back indicates that you have a fair few hard bitten types as well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 05, 2010, 05:29:29 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Aye.
Always had a lot of time for Citeh. I'm sure you'll have a fair amount of cocks jumping on the bandwagon, something we've only had a small dose of in recent years.
But getting 25-30,000 gates in the Second (or old Third) division a few years back indicates that you have a fair few hard bitten types as well.
Not as many as we were getting then, don't forget that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 05, 2010, 05:30:16 PM
Not a lot happened on this score today then! I wish it would get resolved.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 05, 2010, 05:35:47 PM
Big club. Genuine fans. Great trips to the old Maine Road. What a team they had in the early 70s. And some fantastic strips too, I loved the red and black stripes and the white with the diagonal stripes. Some of the best fans I have ever met, extremely knowledgeable about football in general. Always had a big following. Which is where they differ from Chelsea in every respect. It is a shame that will all now get forgotten, and to be labelled a 'gloryhunter' will probably be the worst aspect of all this and very unfair for the genuine City fans of which there are thousands...at least when you see a Chelsea fan, you more or less know they are not the real deal!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 05, 2010, 05:36:00 PM
Quote from: "citychris"
Quote from: "Dante Lavelli"
Seats with internet connections?!! What the f**k. Why?
Seriously how have they tried to sell this facility? I could understand them having WiFi in the associated corporate lounge but what internet will they need during the game that 3G could not provide?
[note: I have next to no idea what half of those terms mean so don't get too technical]
To be honest, i havent got a clue why or how but allegedly they have sold the lot. It might make more sense if I told you that it is a Gary C*** idea, he thinks he's american y'know.
I know people who have known him since they were at scool together who reckon he's sound and he did get us posh seats and wined and dined up there a couple of years ago but he does always come across as a bit of an arse.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 05, 2010, 05:38:17 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
I don't think the Evertron could outbid us, nor Fulham, and Man City have to say yes to a bid first. Also, didn't Redknapp say they can't afford him? (Presumably because they aren't prioritising a creative central midfielder.)
If that's true, you'd hope we're the only choice for him.
Monts, you come across as a smart bloke, so surely you know by now that 'arry saying "we can't afford him" usually = a bid is imminent.
It also doesn't always matter if we outbid other clubs. Generally it's the players that hold all the power nowadays and if Ireland wants to link up with Hughes again or he opts for a similar sized club to us (Everton), with similar ambitions -but the added benefit of being an easy commute away from his current pad- he'll find a way.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 05:44:07 PM
This is true, Kevin, and I was playing devil's advocate to some extent. Another point would be that Man City have no particular need of an extra £2-3m, so any amount we could outbid Everton with would probably be unimportant if he wanted to go to Everton, though we could pay him more I think.
As for the "we can't afford 'im", I always thought that was 'Arryish for "we made an offer but it was rejected". I thought that the 'Arryish for "a bid is imminent" was "I fink 'e's a good player, really good player, bu' I don' wanna to tawk abaa' 'im".
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 05, 2010, 05:54:19 PM
Just from memory but: He said he couldn't afford Kaboul when he was at Pompey and lied"I think he'll to go to Villa." A week later said player was linking arms with the Mound of the Hound of the Baskervilles.
On Keane: "triffic player, but I don't think we can afford him." Keane had a medical at Tottingham the following day.
If 'arry said Good Morning to me I'd nip out to check what time of day it was.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 05, 2010, 05:59:08 PM
Did he say that about Keane? I remember the Kaboul incident clear as day, but I thought that was a one-off.
Like you say, with Redknapp it's all about working out the code. Funnily enough, NASA developed a deciphering program which translated everything into "d'ya fancy a washing machine? Near enough bran' noo, jus' go' 'em in from Buwgaria, ma'e".
By the way, fine reference from Lord Flash.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 05, 2010, 08:56:20 PM
Everton have got no chance unless Man City decide to give him away for nowt.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on August 05, 2010, 09:44:29 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Just from memory but: He said he couldn't afford Kaboul when he was at Pompey and lied"I think he'll to go to Villa." A week later said player was linking arms with the Mound of the Hound of the Baskervilles.
TBF he was telling the truth that they couldn't afford him, just that they still paid out for him afterwards.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on August 05, 2010, 09:45:41 PM
Quote from: "Somniloquism"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Just from memory but: He said he couldn't afford Kaboul when he was at Pompey and lied"I think he'll to go to Villa." A week later said player was linking arms with the Mound of the Hound of the Baskervilles.
TBF he was telling the truth that they couldn't afford him, just that they still paid out for him afterwards.
Nice
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 05, 2010, 11:33:17 PM
Telegraph
Quote
Villa have so far refused to reduce their £30 million asking price for the England international, despite the midfielder making plain his desire to leave the club, while City are not prepared to improve their second bid, believed to be in the region of £24 million.
But Roberto Mancini is hoping to bridge the gap by offering Villa a number of players as makeweights. The Italian is conscious of the need to cut his squad substantially before City submit their 25-man list to the Premier League at the end of the month.
As many as nine players are due to leave Eastlands before the Aug 31 deadline, and players such as Stephen Ireland, Nedum Onuoha, Michael Johnson, Roque Santa Cruz and Craig Bellamy may be offered in exchange in an attempt to drive the deal through more than two months after the saga began.
Milner is keen to see a transfer completed and it is believed the player may seek talks with Villa's owner, Randy Lerner, when the American attends tomorrow night's friendly with Valencia.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: GullyFoyle on August 06, 2010, 09:03:15 AM
According to the Daily Mail, Man C have turned down a 6Mil bid by sunderland for Onuoha. That seems like a pretty decent bid to me. Unless. . . could it be that he's on his way to another club as part of player swap deal?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on August 06, 2010, 05:09:19 PM
Manchini on SSN saying City are close to signing Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 06, 2010, 05:19:16 PM
Neil Moxley (Daily Mail Journo)Twitter:
"Btw, odds on James Milner playing for Villa tonight? £27.5m says 'No.'"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2010, 05:41:15 PM
Would sooner 19 and Ireland than 27.5, but still a hell of a deal for us if true. Now Keane and McGeady.... oh.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2010, 06:02:07 PM
Quote from: "Matt C"
Manchini on SSN saying City are close to signing Milner.
He said they are still hoping to sign...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on August 06, 2010, 06:08:37 PM
£27.5 million is a lot of money.
I would not advocate spending £9 million of it on McGeady though, that seems way too much. Keane would be good although I have no idea how much Spurs would want for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 06:12:38 PM
Neil Moxley, who I understand in this modern talk is @Neil_Moxley_DM, is one of the less sensationalist tabloid reporters and this seems to have a bit of truth attached. Maybe not today but things seem to be moving.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 06, 2010, 06:17:19 PM
Quote from: "phantom limb"
£27.5 million is a lot of money.
I would not advocate spending £9 million of it on McGeady though, that seems way too much. Keane would be good although I have no idea how much Spurs would want for him.
I don't know anything about McGeady although after Petrov & Maloney,I wouldn't put my mortgage on him tearing up trees in the Prem.
With £27.5 mil burning a hole in your back pocket,it is obvious that you will be quoted silly figures from teams for their players.
The best way this could be spent is to take a couple of Man City's out of favour players off their hands-Certainly in terms of value for money-This would still leave a few quid to go over the top on some uninspiring MON type of player.
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2010, 06:21:24 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
That's the thing, isn't it.
He's a very good player, he had a good season for us last year, but really, 27.5 million pounds?
Never.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on August 06, 2010, 06:30:01 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "phantom limb"
£27.5 million is a lot of money.
I would not advocate spending £9 million of it on McGeady though, that seems way too much. Keane would be good although I have no idea how much Spurs would want for him.
I don't know anything about McGeady although after Petrov & Maloney,I wouldn't put my mortgage on him tearing up trees in the Prem.
With £27.5 mil burning a hole in your back pocket,it is obvious that you will be quoted silly figures from teams for their players.
The best way this could be spent is to take a couple of Man City's out of favour players off their hands-Certainly in terms of value for money-This would still leave a few quid to go over the top on some uninspiring MON type of player.
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
Maybe that's why MON takes his time. Makes sure all other deals, or some, are sorted so inflated prices cannot be quoted when we ask for players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 06:36:29 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "nechells"
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
That's the thing, isn't it.
He's a very good player, he had a good season for us last year, but really, 27.5 million pounds?
Never.
As we said yesterday, there are few Villa players ever who have been worth that, and Milner isn't one of them. If we can't compete with Manchester City's money we can at least take some of it off them.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 06, 2010, 06:46:40 PM
Quote from: "peter w"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "phantom limb"
£27.5 million is a lot of money.
I would not advocate spending £9 million of it on McGeady though, that seems way too much. Keane would be good although I have no idea how much Spurs would want for him.
I don't know anything about McGeady although after Petrov & Maloney,I wouldn't put my mortgage on him tearing up trees in the Prem.
With £27.5 mil burning a hole in your back pocket,it is obvious that you will be quoted silly figures from teams for their players.
The best way this could be spent is to take a couple of Man City's out of favour players off their hands-Certainly in terms of value for money-This would still leave a few quid to go over the top on some uninspiring MON type of player.
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
Maybe that's why MON takes his time. Makes sure all other deals, or some, are sorted so inflated prices cannot be quoted when we ask for players.
It seems to be par for the course for managers to take their time these days-Judging by the lack of transfer activity in the first part of these windows.
If you receive £27.5mil for a player,you will be quoted silly money no matter what stage the window is at.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2010, 06:51:39 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Neil Moxley, who I understand in this modern talk is @Neil_Moxley_DM, is one of the less sensationalist tabloid reporters and this seems to have a bit of truth attached. Maybe not today but things seem to be moving.
I really hope that is the case, because this is becoming a tired and tedious saga. He wants to go, I think we probably want to sell now. We need to get going as far as signing some players and bringing a bit of a lift to Villa Park.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 06, 2010, 06:53:38 PM
Milner left out tonight ...so may 27.5 is coming over our way!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2010, 06:55:42 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Milner left out tonight ...so may 27.5 is coming over our way!
I probably would have expected us to leave him out regardless. I'm hoping for £19 million plus Ireland, but £27.5 would be a very good deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 06, 2010, 06:56:22 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "nechells"
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
That's the thing, isn't it.
He's a very good player, he had a good season for us last year, but really, 27.5 million pounds?
Never.
As we said yesterday, there are few Villa players ever who have been worth that, and Milner isn't one of them. If we can't compete with Manchester City's money we can at least take some of it off them.
Your question is hypathetical though-The goalposts have been moved yet again.People used to claim that no player was worth a million. You could go through the Premier League & I doubt you'd find many players who you would consider to be worth such stupid amounts of money-Man City have raised the bar.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2010, 07:13:45 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "nechells"
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
That's the thing, isn't it.
He's a very good player, he had a good season for us last year, but really, 27.5 million pounds?
Never.
As we said yesterday, there are few Villa players ever who have been worth that, and Milner isn't one of them. If we can't compete with Manchester City's money we can at least take some of it off them.
Your question is hypathetical though-The goalposts have been moved yet again.People used to claim that no player was worth a million. You could go through the Premier League & I doubt you'd find many players who you would consider to be worth such stupid amounts of money-Man City have raised the bar.
Isn't that the same thing, though? They're mental, they've inflated the prices, but even if you judge Milner by the price inflation Man City have created, he's not worth that kind of money.
I know they spent all that cash on Lescott last summer, that's a fair point, but he wasn't worth it, either.
If we'd been flogging Ashley Young (who also isn't worth 27.5m in my opinion), then I'd be more disappointed as players like him are much harder to replace.
Milner is a good player, but he is not a flair player, and flair players are the ones you really struggle to replace.
Having said that, the image of Jermaine Jenas just popped into my mind.
*shudder*
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on August 06, 2010, 07:22:21 PM
if we just straight swapped Milner for Ireland, i wouldnt be to dissapointed,
but obvously i would try and get as much cash as we can get from City now they are talking in the millions
sadly i dont think Ireland will be coming to Villa, i think he might well go to a team that finished higher than us in the league
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 06, 2010, 07:30:12 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "nechells"
I can't believe anyone would pay £27.5 mil for Milner though.
That's the thing, isn't it.
He's a very good player, he had a good season for us last year, but really, 27.5 million pounds?
Never.
As we said yesterday, there are few Villa players ever who have been worth that, and Milner isn't one of them. If we can't compete with Manchester City's money we can at least take some of it off them.
Your question is hypathetical though-The goalposts have been moved yet again.People used to claim that no player was worth a million. You could go through the Premier League & I doubt you'd find many players who you would consider to be worth such stupid amounts of money-Man City have raised the bar.
Isn't that the same thing, though? They're mental, they've inflated the prices, but even if you judge Milner by the price inflation Man City have created, he's not worth that kind of money.
I know they spent all that cash on Lescott last summer, that's a fair point, but he wasn't worth it, either.
If we'd been flogging Ashley Young (who also isn't worth 27.5m in my opinion), then I'd be more disappointed as players like him are much harder to replace.
Milner is a good player, but he is not a flair player, and flair players are the ones you really struggle to replace.
Having said that, the image of Jermaine Jenas just popped into my mind.
*shudder*
Nail on the head mate re Ashley Young. I believe that it isn't the same thing though because if you use Milner as the yardstick then there are 50+ Villa players who fall into that category including the obvious one
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: CJ on August 06, 2010, 07:40:17 PM
MON now saying that something will happen in the next couple of days!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2010, 07:41:10 PM
Milner is going blatantly M'ON just 'something could be happening in a couple of days'
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ger Regan on August 06, 2010, 07:41:20 PM
Done and dusted so. MON seems a broken man to me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2010, 07:42:04 PM
It really has to happen quick, we need to get sorted out fast.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Arsey on August 06, 2010, 07:46:35 PM
Lets just hope MON brings in some quality players with the money we get for James. I would rather we spent it on some exciting prospects rather than players who have seen their best days (ala Keane).
We will desperately need someone to play in the centre alongside Petrov because Sidders isn't good enough and NRC only works in a 4-5-1. Maybe he plays to shift Downing inside?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 06, 2010, 07:51:12 PM
I know it's an inflated market when Citeh are involved but £27.5m is insane. They'll be offering £40m plus Milner for Albrighton next summer hopefully!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: alan_clarke on August 06, 2010, 09:11:57 PM
maybe Milner is worth £27.5m with the rules changing regarding how many English players you need in your squad.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 06, 2010, 09:46:05 PM
Seems like the bookies think we'll be getting Ireland, Keane and poss Bellamy in.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 06, 2010, 10:06:01 PM
We need to get rid of the twat pronto now. I hope I never set eyes on him again. Fingers crossed both he and the other mercenaries have a season from hell...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2010, 10:10:16 PM
Not seen any direct quotes from Milner, so I see no evidence of him disrespecting the club etc, however I am disappointed to see him go after his performances last season. To be frank if I was offered possibly 3 times my salary elsewhere I would be off pronto.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 06, 2010, 10:11:38 PM
Quote from: "villa `cross the mersey"
Not seen any direct quotes from Milner, so I see no evidence of him disrespecting the club etc, however I am disappointed to see him go after his performances last season. To be frank if I was offered possibly 3 times my salary elsewhere I would be off pronto.
Don't be so ruddy reasonable about it Clive!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 06, 2010, 10:14:35 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "villa `cross the mersey"
Not seen any direct quotes from Milner, so I see no evidence of him disrespecting the club etc, however I am disappointed to see him go after his performances last season. To be frank if I was offered possibly 3 times my salary elsewhere I would be off pronto.
Don't be so ruddy reasonable about it Clive!
I failed to mention that any type of salary would be appreciated right now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: regular_john on August 06, 2010, 10:19:33 PM
Am I the only one underwhelmed by Stephen Ireland? He's talented but he's also clearly a prick, do we really want him in the dressing room?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2010, 10:21:40 PM
With Milner it Just seems a bit like yeah I loved Villa and wanted to join ages ago, I feel undervalued and Newcastle....2 years later, Oooh more money? Yeah I wanna go to city!!
Money grabbing wanker, I just want a deal that suits the Villa and please Martin get Ireland don't try and source someone yourself
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 06, 2010, 10:25:08 PM
Quote from: "villa `cross the mersey"
Quote from: "richard moore"
Quote from: "villa `cross the mersey"
Not seen any direct quotes from Milner, so I see no evidence of him disrespecting the club etc, however I am disappointed to see him go after his performances last season. To be frank if I was offered possibly 3 times my salary elsewhere I would be off pronto.
Don't be so ruddy reasonable about it Clive!
I failed to mention that any type of salary would be appreciated right now.
Yes, I was thinking you were probably thinking that mate
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 10:28:32 PM
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
With Milner it Just seems a bit like yeah I loved Villa and wanted to join ages ago, I feel undervalued and Newcastle....2 years later, Oooh more money? Yeah I wanna go to city!!
Money grabbing wanker, I just want a deal that suits the Villa and please Martin get Ireland don't try and source someone yourself
Is it really that, or is it because we kidded ourselves he was different to the rest? He's been offered a better job, more money. I can't hate him for that.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: avfc_1874 on August 06, 2010, 10:31:58 PM
£27.5 million is good business. Echo most comments that have been posted on the last couple of pages. You could easily replace Milner for £10-12 million.
He won't be as effective for Citeh as he has been for us, they'll more than likely play him right midfield too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 06, 2010, 10:35:10 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Phil from the upper holte"
With Milner it Just seems a bit like yeah I loved Villa and wanted to join ages ago, I feel undervalued and Newcastle....2 years later, Oooh more money? Yeah I wanna go to city!!
Money grabbing wanker, I just want a deal that suits the Villa and please Martin get Ireland don't try and source someone yourself
Is it really that, or is it because we kidded ourselves he was different to the rest? He's been offered a better job, more money. I can't hate him for that.
Maybe it is that Dave, Maybe we didn't think he was like that, It'd just be nice to keep some of the better players sometimes and hopefully get one or two more in and build on it.
Man City are gonna be the next Chelsea, Buy someone so as no-one else can get them. I actually think he would have done better here than he would there, I reckon he'll end up on the wing again or warming the bench
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on August 06, 2010, 10:40:39 PM
Is it a better job though? Surely a footballer would want to play as much as possible. He'll be competing with the myriad of midfielders that City already have, and probably being shunted back out to the right wing when he does get to play. There's no way that they'll be able to keep all of those players happy.
He will be earning much more money than he ever would with us though, which makes it difficult to imagine that the money isn't a big factor in him wanting to leave.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 10:45:08 PM
Quote from: "phantom limb"
Is it a better job though? Surely a footballer would want to play as much as possible. He'll be competing with the myriad of midfielders that City already have, and probably being shunted back out to the right wing when he does get to play. There's no way that they'll be able to keep all of those players happy.
He will be earning much more money than he ever would with us though, which makes it difficult to imagine that the money isn't a big factor in him wanting to leave.
Most players at the top end seem to handle being rested, and who says he'll not be a regular?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 10:46:16 PM
i hope milner goes on monday, gets picked for england and gets injured :-)
will teach him right the greedy swine
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: carlos the third on August 06, 2010, 10:46:57 PM
Stephen Ireland is emerging as the key figure in Manchester City's pursuit of James Milner after Aston Villa asked if he could form part of a player-plus-cash exchange.
Ireland is available from City as Roberto Mancini looks to trim an oversized squad and the Villa manager, Martin O'Neill, wants the midfielder to bring more creativity to his team as they prepare to lose their player of the year.
The talks have accelerated in the past few days and it is now a question of whether the clubs can finalise the financial part of the deal. There were strong indications today that there has been a significant breakthrough, with Milner withdrawn from Villa's squad for the friendly against Valencia.
Ireland, a product of the club's youth academy, spoke recently of wanting to stay at City and compete for his place in a side who could have £130m worth of new players by the end of the transfer window. But Mancini is not planning to include him in his 25-man squad for this season, having not been overly impressed by the former Republic of Ireland international's form last season. This has been made clear to Ireland and, with the player slowly coming round to the idea, there is a belief on both sides that there could be more movement over the weekend.
"We are close but we still have time," Mancini said. "We are speaking to Aston Villa and we are near. I am hopeful."
Until now, Villa had been asking for a straight fee of £30m, with City making one bid, of £18m plus a further £2m in add-ons, and informing Villa they were not prepared to go higher than £24m. The involvement of Ireland could see the clubs reach a compromise for a £27.5m package, taking into account the worth of a player who was voted City's player of the year two seasons ago.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 06, 2010, 10:48:40 PM
Milner will earn shedloads of money but he also has the opprtunity to play with better players and a much better chance of winning things, I can't really blame him for going.
Sadly it's a case of the richest clubs picking up the best players and it's nit the game I used to love.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 10:52:04 PM
yea but he wont play as many games as he has done at villa and he wont get much chance with england if he aint playing. No matter how good he is, he wont get into that man city midfield. Milner isnt as good on the wings as he is in the middle and there is no chance on this earth that he will get into that man city midfield. so i say let the greedy northern prick go and rot !!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 06, 2010, 10:52:14 PM
I hope that is true
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 10:53:43 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
yea but he wont play as many games as he has done at villa and he wont get much chance with england if he aint playing. No matter how good he is, he wont get into that man city midfield. Milner isnt as good on the wings as he is in the middle and there is no chance on this earth that he will get into that man city midfield. so i say let the greedy northern prick go and rot !!!!
Have you ever changed jobs?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2010, 10:53:48 PM
Maybe, just maybe the fact he won't be playing every week no matter what level of fitness might come as a relief to him?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on August 06, 2010, 10:54:01 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
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Is it a better job though? Surely a footballer would want to play as much as possible. He'll be competing with the myriad of midfielders that City already have, and probably being shunted back out to the right wing when he does get to play. There's no way that they'll be able to keep all of those players happy.
He will be earning much more money than he ever would with us though, which makes it difficult to imagine that the money isn't a big factor in him wanting to leave.
Most players at the top end seem to handle being rested, and who says he'll not be a regular?
The other midfield players that they already have are very good, and they've just bought some more good ones. I can't see him being a regular unless some of them leave, and considering that they are all going to be on pretty decent wages it's going to be difficult for other teams to make them a similar offer. I guess much like the players that we'd like to get rid of, some of them may be reluctant to toddle off elsewhere if it means taking a pay cut.
I don't think I'm going to actually hate Milner for it as I came to terms that he was probably going to leave some time ago. But it would be a waste of talent if he goes there to not play regularly whereas he's probably one of the first names on the teamsheet for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 10:56:05 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "pmk1981"
yea but he wont play as many games as he has done at villa and he wont get much chance with england if he aint playing. No matter how good he is, he wont get into that man city midfield. Milner isnt as good on the wings as he is in the middle and there is no chance on this earth that he will get into that man city midfield. so i say let the greedy northern prick go and rot !!!!
Have you ever changed jobs?
of course i have but it is different with us isnt it.... for example
in my last job i was earning 22.5k and now i earn 27k
to me thats a shed load of money
but to a footballer who already earns 35k a WEEK no matter how much more money you give them it wont make a difference, they are wealthy no matter what, so any more is just greed
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2010, 10:58:58 PM
As it's been established that the only reason Milner is leaving is for the money could somebody tell me definitively how much he earns now and how much he will earn at Manchester City?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on August 06, 2010, 10:59:38 PM
A lot. A lot more.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 11:01:52 PM
what i worry about man city is that what will happen when they want to sell the players in a couple of years, no other teams will pay the wages. such as barry, he is done for at man city, but who is gonna pay him 110k a week? he will have to take a 50% cut at least !!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 11:02:14 PM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "pmk1981"
yea but he wont play as many games as he has done at villa and he wont get much chance with england if he aint playing. No matter how good he is, he wont get into that man city midfield. Milner isnt as good on the wings as he is in the middle and there is no chance on this earth that he will get into that man city midfield. so i say let the greedy northern prick go and rot !!!!
Have you ever changed jobs?
of course i have but it is different with us isnt it.... for example
in my last job i was earning 22.5k and now i earn 27k
to me thats a shed load of money
but to a footballer who already earns 35k a WEEK no matter how much more money you give them it wont make a difference, they are wealthy no matter what, so any more is just greed
No it isn't different for us. However much you earn you'll still like the idea of earning more, and who says Milner is only after a pay rise? Maybe he likes the idea of testing himself with a club that'll be challenging for the title more than finishing sixth again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2010, 11:03:23 PM
Footballer in moving to another club for more money shock. wonder which money grabbing wanker from the SPL we'll sign with the money we get?
He's a Yorkshireman, good on him I say.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 06, 2010, 11:04:25 PM
I don't think it's just the money - he will definately have a better chance of winning trophies with them than us, and he is good enough to be a major part of the team, not just a squad player.
Move on, get over it - and to MON ffs, get Ireland and some more qulaity in - you haven't spent the money from the Gardner sale yet !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 11:06:07 PM
ok ok, we all know he is going. and i do beleive that we will have a better team if we get the players we have been touted for
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:07:26 PM
Of course its different Dave.
For pmk its the difference between maybe buying a second car or sending a child to University. For that tee-total weirdo its the difference between a Veyron and a Veyron Super Sport.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 11:09:45 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Of course its different Dave.
For pmk its the difference between maybe buying a second car or sending a child to University. For that tee-total weirdo its the difference between a Veyron and a Veyron Super Sport.
A free-market capitalist like you criticising someone for making money?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 11:10:04 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Of course its different Dave.
For pmk its the difference between maybe buying a second car or sending a child to University. For that tee-total weirdo its the difference between a Veyron and a Veyron Super Sport.
this is the first time someone has agreed with me LOL
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:15:07 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
Of course its different Dave.
For pmk its the difference between maybe buying a second car or sending a child to University. For that tee-total weirdo its the difference between a Veyron and a Veyron Super Sport.
A free-market capitalist like you criticising someone for making money?
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2010, 11:16:19 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
Of course its different Dave.
For pmk its the difference between maybe buying a second car or sending a child to University. For that tee-total weirdo its the difference between a Veyron and a Veyron Super Sport.
A free-market capitalist like you criticising someone for making money?
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
Not anymore.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 11:16:47 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
They can't afford him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 06, 2010, 11:16:52 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
Not if you really, really don't like Man United.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:18:23 PM
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
They can't afford him.
And that's fair enough. If you're after medals, then perhaps the side that just won the double?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 06, 2010, 11:18:59 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
They can't afford him.
And that's fair enough. If you're after medals, then perhaps the side that just won the double?
They're not after him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:20:27 PM
Then you give Volks Wagon a call and you tell them you want their new toy lickety split.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 06, 2010, 11:21:16 PM
Against all logical viewpoints I've taken an irrational and illogical hatred to him and view him as a money grabbing sod. I will also take great pleasure if he ends up sitting on their bench.
I know it's irrational and illogical but that's what I think.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: HTFCacc2007 on August 06, 2010, 11:21:28 PM
From The Times
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James Milner finally looks set to move to Manchester City after Aston Villa accepted a £27.5 million package in which Stephen Ireland would move in the opposite direction.
The England midfield player was pulled out of Villa’s friendly with Valencia last night as the Barclays Premier League clubs grew ever closer to a compromise deal. After a week of negotiations, City have agreed to pay a fee in excess of an initial £15 million that would rise to about £20 million once Milner achieves certain targets.
Although the deal could be slowed down because Milner is likely to be summoned to go away with England tomorrow night, in preparation for Wednesday’s friendly with Hungary, that would allow Martin O’Neill, the Villa manager, time in which he can convince Ireland that his future lies at Villa Park and also do a deal to bring in Aiden McGeady as his replacement from Celtic.
“We are close with Milner,” Mancini, whose club have spent about £75 million this summer, said last night. City’s signings include Yaya Touré, Aleksandar Kolarov, David Silva and Jérôme Boateng.
The wheels of the deal will move more swiftly if O’Neill can do his own part-exchange to entice McGeady from Celtic. The Glasgow side have accepted a £9.5 million bid from Spartak Moscow for the 24-year-old, but McGeady would prefer to join Villa.
Celtic would like to sign Nicky Shorey, who is surplus to requirements at Villa Park, and if they can persuade him to move to Scotland rather than West Bromwich Albion, O’Neill could offer Celtic £7.5 million plus Shorey for the winger he groomed in his time in charge at Celtic Park. Mancini is also hoping to secure the services of Mario Balotelli, the Inter Milan forward, before the transfer window closes, despite City’s offer of £25 million for the player being £5 million below Inter’s valuation.
“We are probably closer with Milner than with Balotelli,” Mancini said. “We are close, but we have time.”
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2010, 11:21:56 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
They can't afford him.
And that's fair enough. If you're after medals, then perhaps the side that just won the double?
That's all by the bye.
The fact is, he's got a choice between staying with us or going to Man City, where, yes, he will earn far more money but, like it or not, he's got more chance of winning things or playing CL football than he has with us.
The fact he'd do even better going to Man United or Chelsea doesn't really come into it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 06, 2010, 11:23:51 PM
That said having read that Times article the prospect of McGeady means that if Milner buys me a Ferrari 458 Italia whilst he's at the supercar shop I'll go to City with him.
;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2010, 11:24:02 PM
Do people really believe that 500 million in 2-3 years and City won't win the title at some point. Man for man they now have as strong a squad as any in the league, and yeah they have to get some of them playing at their best, but they should be at least top 4. That means Milner will be play Champions league from this time next year onwards, knowing he is a homegrown one, and earning over 100k a week while doing it. He is making the decision any of us would make, even as Villa fans. Safeguarding the rest of his life, he has his head screwed on does Milner. Comes from a fairly middle class background, and will see the value in the move.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:24:19 PM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
They can't afford him.
And that's fair enough. If you're after medals, then perhaps the side that just won the double?
That's all by the bye.
The fact is, he's got a choice between staying with us or going to Man City, where, yes, he will earn far more money but, like it or not, he's got more chance of winning things or playing CL football than he has with us.
The fact he'd do even better going to Man United or Chelsea doesn't really come into it.
I’m not sure if says more about the quality of Milner or the state of the modern game to be honest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: phantom limb on August 06, 2010, 11:25:59 PM
Quote from: "HTFCacc2007"
From The Times
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James Milner finally looks set to move to Manchester City after Aston Villa accepted a £27.5 million package in which Stephen Ireland would move in the opposite direction.
The England midfield player was pulled out of Villa’s friendly with Valencia last night as the Barclays Premier League clubs grew ever closer to a compromise deal. After a week of negotiations, City have agreed to pay a fee in excess of an initial £15 million that would rise to about £20 million once Milner achieves certain targets.
Although the deal could be slowed down because Milner is likely to be summoned to go away with England tomorrow night, in preparation for Wednesday’s friendly with Hungary, that would allow Martin O’Neill, the Villa manager, time in which he can convince Ireland that his future lies at Villa Park and also do a deal to bring in Aiden McGeady as his replacement from Celtic.
“We are close with Milner,” Mancini, whose club have spent about £75 million this summer, said last night. City’s signings include Yaya Touré, Aleksandar Kolarov, David Silva and Jérôme Boateng.
The wheels of the deal will move more swiftly if O’Neill can do his own part-exchange to entice McGeady from Celtic. The Glasgow side have accepted a £9.5 million bid from Spartak Moscow for the 24-year-old, but McGeady would prefer to join Villa.
Celtic would like to sign Nicky Shorey, who is surplus to requirements at Villa Park, and if they can persuade him to move to Scotland rather than West Bromwich Albion, O’Neill could offer Celtic £7.5 million plus Shorey for the winger he groomed in his time in charge at Celtic Park. Mancini is also hoping to secure the services of Mario Balotelli, the Inter Milan forward, before the transfer window closes, despite City’s offer of £25 million for the player being £5 million below Inter’s valuation.
“We are probably closer with Milner than with Balotelli,” Mancini said. “We are close, but we have time.”
So we are getting Ireland then? It's a shame to see Milner go but this seems like a pretty damn good deal to me. Shorey buggering off at the same time is like Christmas.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:28:21 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
That means Milner will be play Champions league from this time next year onwards
Barry thought that this time last year.
They’re obviously geared up for success with the money they’re throwing at the situation, but I think the biggest could possibly prove to be keeping on Mancini and not chucking millions at Mourinho.
Watching Man City against Man United, ourselves and Spurs confirmed to me that the bloke has no bottle when it comes to the crunch and I’d be surprised if he’s still the ring master come the end of the season.
We’ll see I suppose.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 06, 2010, 11:30:27 PM
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
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Quote from: "dave.woodhall"
Quote from: "Ads"
I’m not criticising him for making money, I just think we should call a spade a spade. He’s going for the money. If you want to win things in Manchester, then you go to Man United.
They can't afford him.
And that's fair enough. If you're after medals, then perhaps the side that just won the double?
That's all by the bye.
The fact is, he's got a choice between staying with us or going to Man City, where, yes, he will earn far more money but, like it or not, he's got more chance of winning things or playing CL football than he has with us.
The fact he'd do even better going to Man United or Chelsea doesn't really come into it.
I’m not sure if says more about the quality of Milner or the state of the modern game to be honest.
It doesn't really make much difference, sadly.
They're going to pay him more money and they're better placed to do things.
It is depressing as fuck, but I don't really blame him for it. I'd probably do the same in his boots, and I'm a Villa fan.
In fact, of course I would do the same.
Quote from: "Ads"
Quote from: "ozzjim"
That means Milner will be play Champions league from this time next year onwards
Barry thought that this time last year.
Difference is that they're now another year down the line, and a lot stronger. Look at their squad, it is very strong.
Throwing huge amounts of money at it does not guarantee instant success, but eventually it is bound to pay off. They'll probably drop a lot of bollocks, sack a few managers, go through a fair amount of strife, but they'll get there in the end. On the flip side, though, achieving success without huge amounts of money is pretty impossible.
There's a good chance Manchester City will win the league again in my lifetime. There is next to no chance Aston Villa will. Depressing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2010, 11:33:27 PM
Agree re the manager there, but lets face it, at some point they will throw the cash at a Hiddink or Mourinho and start winning a lot of football matches.
16 million, with add ons to 20 and Stephen Ireland who this time last year you would have paid Milner and some cash for, is a bloody good deal.
McGeady, well we will have to see how he does, but if he is creative at least it is a step in the right direction and Robbie Keane we know will get 10-15 league goals and generally be much more creative than any of our other forwards. Basically straight swapping those 3 for Milner will probably mean we are likely to score more and be better to watch.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:34:36 PM
I disagree with doing the same, but then I already posted my fantasy mad man football lifestyle elsewhere.
I don’t blame him either really. That doesn’t mean I like him for it and why should I? We all have an emotional attachment to the club and I don’t like the idea of being used as a rung on the ladder- even though that’s the game. We can all accept that players come and go, we all know it’s a business and a profession to them, but that doesn’t mean we should smile and enjoy that side of the sport.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 06, 2010, 11:40:08 PM
Agree totally Ads, and he will be called a greedy f many times by me when on the box this season playing in his new girly shirt with his new girly pals that are all having a love in for the cash, but it does not mean that in the cold light of day I would not do the same. It is too much money, and their careers are too short to turn it down.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on August 06, 2010, 11:44:14 PM
Quote from: "ozzjim"
Do people really believe that 500 million in 2-3 years and City won't win the title at some point. Man for man they now have as strong a squad as any in the league, and yeah they have to get some of them playing at their best, but they should be at least top 4. That means Milner will be play Champions league from this time next year onwards, knowing he is a homegrown one, and earning over 100k a week while doing it. He is making the decision any of us would make, even as Villa fans. Safeguarding the rest of his life, he has his head screwed on does Milner. Comes from a fairly middle class background, and will see the value in the move.
Can't really argue with that but it doesn't make it any the more palatable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 11:53:41 PM
right it has been made more or less clear that he is off to man city to keep the bench warm along with barry.
we are possibly getting 27.5 million and an potentally equally good play in stephen ireland who scores more goals from open play.
i for one can say im happy with that
with the rest of the cash go and get a goal scorer in robbie keane and possibly mcgeady as backup on the wings
after this all going through i think we will have a much much better team than if milner stayed !!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Legion on August 06, 2010, 11:55:05 PM
No need for McGeady. We have plenty of options there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 06, 2010, 11:55:47 PM
I still think we'll be a central player light. If NRC is going to stay and be used, then that's not too bad. But we're still left with an injured Delph and Petrov as our industry in there.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 06, 2010, 11:56:02 PM
i think we just need squad players in case of injuries. towards the end of the season players were tired and we didnt have any quality to bring in
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on August 07, 2010, 12:13:52 AM
Quote from: "Legion"
No need for McGeady. We have plenty of options there.
Agree with that. We are struggling to fit Young and Downing into the same side and have Albrighton as well.
I will be disappointed if we sign him as the money can be far better spent in other areas i.e. forward, right back, central midfield and a couple of good young players for the future. Milner money will not stretch this far so will need topping up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2010, 12:16:23 AM
Quote from: "pmk1981"
i think we just need squad players in case of injuries. towards the end of the season players were tired and we didnt have any quality to bring in
I don't.
I honestly don't think more cover is going to make much difference. We had it last year and didn't really use it, certainly as the season got longer.
Sooner or later we are going to have to increase the "peaks" of our team - replace our first teamers with better players.
If we don't do that, then we'll scratch around 6th or so ad infinitum.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2010, 12:21:15 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
There's a good chance Manchester City will win the league again in my lifetime. There is next to no chance Aston Villa will. Depressing.
Fucking hell Paulie, that's right up there with the most unbelievably miserable posts I've ever read. Who know's what's going to happen in the near future, never mind in 10, 20 or 40 years time? Did Man City envisage being in the postion they are now a few years ago? I very much doubt it.
I personally think the money bubble will burst eventually and the mega rich will get bored and find something else to do and give us our game back in some form of normality or other. And if they dont, fuck it because I'm happy with who we've got and short of insisting Randy becomes 10 times as rich overnight I'm not sure what can be done about it money wise.
By the way, you're not terminally ill or something are you?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2010, 12:23:07 AM
Hang on though Maz, Paulie is 42 after all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2010, 12:23:24 AM
Who gives a shit James is going, I dont..this is a good deal for Villa.....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2010, 12:28:26 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
Hang on though Maz, Paulie is 42 after all.
Oh, I see.
No fears though. He'll just see the great quadruple winning side of 2031/32 through cataract addled eyes before he throws a seven.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2010, 12:33:50 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Risso"
Hang on though Maz, Paulie is 42 after all.
Oh, I see.
No fears though. He'll just see the great quadruple winning side of 2031/32 through cataract addled eyes before he throws a seven.
I hope you're right.
Would you bet against me being right, though?
Premier League football is fucked up beyond belief. Our only chance of competing for it involves us being taken over by someone with more money than sense, and hoping that it doesn't happen to anyone else. Your point about Randy becoming 10x richer overnight says it all, really. Is that what it is all about?
It's all a bit like that Richard Pryor film where a billionaire gets him to be his human toy. The Toy. Or was that Gene Wilder?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 07, 2010, 12:43:49 AM
I'm not saying you're wrong and indeed I wouldn't be surprised if didn't live to see the day but my god it's a depressing thought.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Clark Five on August 07, 2010, 12:57:21 AM
Its £18 million plus Ireland. Just seen it in black and white.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2010, 12:58:03 AM
Quote from: "dave clark five"
Its £18 million plus Ireland. Just seen it in black and white.
Where?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2010, 12:58:31 AM
Quote from: "dave clark five"
Its £18 million plus Ireland. Just seen it in black and white.
On a Newspaper?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2010, 12:58:34 AM
back of express
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2010, 12:59:25 AM
house for sale in Hints then
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave Clark Five on August 07, 2010, 01:00:35 AM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "dave clark five"
Its £18 million plus Ireland. Just seen it in black and white.
On a Newspaper?
Sky Sports News. The colour isn't working on the telly.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2010, 01:26:14 AM
Quote from: "Drummond on The 17th May"
Ireland and £15m would be my guess.
Only a couple of quid out then!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 01:31:39 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
Quote from: "Risso"
Hang on though Maz, Paulie is 42 after all.
Oh, I see.
No fears though. He'll just see the great quadruple winning side of 2031/32 through cataract addled eyes before he throws a seven.
I hope you're right.
Would you bet against me being right, though?
Premier League football is fucked up beyond belief. Our only chance of competing for it involves us being taken over by someone with more money than sense, and hoping that it doesn't happen to anyone else. Your point about Randy becoming 10x richer overnight says it all, really. Is that what it is all about?
It's all a bit like that Richard Pryor film where a billionaire gets him to be his human toy. The Toy. Or was that Gene Wilder?
There is a Michel Platini shaped light at the end of the tunnel. Manchester City have to do all that they're doing now because they won't be able to in a couple of years time. The Sheikh money for wages will be limited to £40m, which, let's be honest, will be just enough to cover some wage problems in addition to turnover.
There was only one 'G20' (what an up itself name) club opposed to the Platini rules - Manchester City. Don't worry about winning the league, there's very little chance of them building a dynasty, and a good chance they'll be totally buggered by the time you bring up your half century.
Plus we're about to roger them hilariously by getting them to pay us for improving our squad. How nice of them to oblige.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2010, 01:34:54 AM
Quote from: "Monty"
There is a Michel Platini shaped light at the end of the tunnel. Manchester City have to do all that they're doing now because they won't be able to in a couple of years time. The Sheikh money for wages will be limited to £40m, which, let's be honest, will be just enough to cover some wage problems in addition to turnover
And how is our wages/turnover ratio looking these days?
Rules to stop wealthy benefactors pumping money into a club is hardly something to hang all our optimism on.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 01:38:03 AM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "Monty"
There is a Michel Platini shaped light at the end of the tunnel. Manchester City have to do all that they're doing now because they won't be able to in a couple of years time. The Sheikh money for wages will be limited to £40m, which, let's be honest, will be just enough to cover some wage problems in addition to turnover
And how is our wages/turnover ratio looking these days?
Rules to stop wealthy benefactors pumping money into a club is hardly something to hang all our optimism on.
We're taking measures to improve our situation which is far better than Man City's, while they take further measures to worsen their situation.
Our benefactor is rich, but cannot compete with the superest of the super rich. Therefore, anything which bridges the gap between us and them is a good thing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 07, 2010, 01:44:17 AM
Quote from: "Monty"
There is a Michel Platini shaped light at the end of the tunnel. Manchester City have to do all that they're doing now because they won't be able to in a couple of years time. The Sheikh money for wages will be limited to £40m, which, let's be honest, will be just enough to cover some wage problems in addition to turnover.
There was only one 'G20' (what an up itself name) club opposed to the Platini rules - Manchester City. Don't worry about winning the league, there's very little chance of them building a dynasty, and a good chance they'll be totally buggered by the time you bring up your half century.
Plus we're about to roger them hilariously by getting them to pay us for improving our squad. How nice of them to oblige.
Agree with your last point. Whilst any new rules brought in by UEFA are likely to put a spoke in Man City and soon potentially Liverpool's plans they will hardly be beneficial to us. Any rules from what i understand will be around self-financing and so on. Whilst it will stop Man City buying success it will also stop us on a much smaller scale doing it too. For example we are probably (I can't recall exactly) over the debt and wages to turnover rules that they will bring in for European competition in the next few years.
Even then what can be done? Man United are a considerably bigger, more widely supported and known club than we are. Hence, their turnover is massive. Any salary cap will perpetuate a kind of order where the biggrest ane wealthiest clubs are able to spend more and more money on players. We are less widely supported than the Liverpools., Man Uniteds and Arsenals who will thus be able to generate greater funds so they will immediately be advantaged over us. Even Spurs and Chelsea have greater revenue streams thus we will be looking at fighting the clubs who are on a simuilar level to us such as City, Everton and so on.
Plus, what's to stop Man City signing a sponsorship deal for £200million as a cover or selling a block of gold plated executive boxes to Sheikh Mansour for an inflated price. For every rule there is a loophole.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertommykN'iba on August 07, 2010, 01:46:09 AM
Without trying to sound like a happy clapper, We're in a great position here. Ireland imo is a better player than milner. We're also getting a brilliant deal. We will still be suitably placed to put in a fight in the top 7, and we're run as an honest club, where money isn't the be all and end all. Saying that, turning into citys feeder club can't be a bad thing! Then to top it all off we have delph to come back, who has so much ability and potential, that we still may have a better midfield on the pitch instead of on paper come the end of the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: supertommykN'iba on August 07, 2010, 01:46:47 AM
Without trying to sound like a happy clapper, We're in a great position here. Ireland imo is a better player than milner. We're also getting a brilliant deal. We will still be suitably placed to put in a fight in the top 7, and we're run as an honest club, where money isn't the be all and end all. Saying that, turning into citys feeder club can't be a bad thing! Then to top it all off we have delph to come back, who has so much ability and potential, that we still may have a better midfield on the pitch instead of on paper come the end of the season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 01:54:09 AM
Fandom is a notoriously difficult thing to really cash in on. It's one reason football's such an unattractive industry to investors without egos. Only ticket and shirt sales make any real difference, and there's a limit to that. Plus the fandom which makes Man Utd's turnover so much bigger than ours is a temporary thing, a product of success, not a cause of it. Anyway, a large proportion of turnover is generated from European TV rights - that's the only cartel which UEFA perpetuates and can do something about.
We're not over the wage/turnover rules, but factoring in transfer fees and we are living beyond our means - but not by much, and certainly not in the long term. We should be ok. What the rules will mean is that clubs have to build up from the youth ranks, something we're ahead of many clubs on (Wenger praised our academy to the high heavens when we got Carruthers). The new rules give us more of a chance to succeed than before because the gap to bridge to the top 4, probably the biggest gap, would be made smaller and more doable without City's billions.
As for the sponsorship rules, I remember reading something in the sponsorship section of the Financial Fair Play document which made me very happy on this specific issue, but at five to two in the morning I'm afraid I won't trawl the section again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 07, 2010, 02:06:30 AM
Assuming we do get Ireland, this is an opportunity for Villa to take advantage of the new rule and that there seems to be little money washing about at the moment (Bar man City, obv).
We get a home-grown player on our books (to add to our already increasing list). Good news. Even better would be if MoN spends the Milner money overseas, thus effectively stopping a chain of transfers within the premier league. Should he buy Keane, then that'll give Spurs the option of buying and the club they're buying off the option of spending (and improving) a well.
No. I'd rather see MoN take a chance in Europe, use a bit of our youth talent and force the other clubs in the Premier League to stick with what they have.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 07, 2010, 02:17:20 AM
In an ideal world then we could nab Huntleaar and Flamini from AC Milan and sell Sidwell, Heskey, Davies and Shorey which would see us just about at a slightly positive nett spend. We would keep some of the six who could be beneficial to the squad as well.
It won't cut down our wage bill much unfortunately but signing three decent players in Ireland, Flamini and Huntleaar will probably increase ticket sales and merchandise sales and give us a greater chance of achieving something on the pitch meaning more money.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on August 07, 2010, 02:27:27 AM
We want Ireland, but does he want us? Didn't he say he wanted to stay at city? If he does want a move, quotes usually do get leaked about a preferred club ect....I just worry, he is kind of being forced to come..
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dante Lavelli on August 07, 2010, 04:31:27 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Assuming we do get Ireland, this is an opportunity for Villa to take advantage of the new rule and that there seems to be little money washing about at the moment (Bar man City, obv).
We get a home-grown player on our books (to add to our already increasing list). Good news. Even better would be if MoN spends the Milner money overseas, thus effectively stopping a chain of transfers within the premier league. Should he buy Keane, then that'll give Spurs the option of buying and the club they're buying off the option of spending (and improving) a well.
No. I'd rather see MoN take a chance in Europe, use a bit of our youth talent and force the other clubs in the Premier League to stick with what they have.
Ooh now that would be a cunning plan, however from droopy's comments I think some deals are already set up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on August 07, 2010, 07:40:54 AM
Quote from: "villa for life"
We want Ireland, but does he want us? Didn't he say he wanted to stay at city? If he does want a move, quotes usually do get leaked about a preferred club ect....I just worry, he is kind of being forced to come..
If he said he wanted to leave, he'd effectively reduce his value (bad for Citeh) and forego his contract being paid up (bad for him).
Until our valuation of Milner is matched by Citeh's offer, his hand isn't being forced either way and so he's being a bit canny. What I want to know is whether Milner is doing the same thing or whether the article a couple of weeks back about an advisor who said Milner wanted to go constitutes a transfer request. We've DEFINITELY been here before, haven't we?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on August 07, 2010, 07:58:11 AM
Quote from: "Legion"
No need for McGeady. We have plenty of options there.
Spot on. If there was even a chance MON was going to buy him, I can't imagine Celtic would have accepted Spartak's offer or he'd have travelled over there to meet with the club.
As Troy Eccles said in The Milner Novela (http://www.heroesandvillains.info/discuss/viewtopic.php?p=1545714#1545714), I'd love to see us spend all the cash we get abroad and continue to develop the youngsters and at the same time scupper the merry-go-round that appears to be hinging (hingeing?!) on this deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on August 07, 2010, 08:00:50 AM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Assuming we do get Ireland, this is an opportunity for Villa to take advantage of the new rule and that there seems to be little money washing about at the moment (Bar man City, obv).
We get a home-grown player on our books (to add to our already increasing list). Good news. Even better would be if MoN spends the Milner money overseas, thus effectively stopping a chain of transfers within the premier league. Should he buy Keane, then that'll give Spurs the option of buying and the club they're buying off the option of spending (and improving) a well.
No. I'd rather see MoN take a chance in Europe, use a bit of our youth talent and force the other clubs in the Premier League to stick with what they have.
As much as MON's changes last night in terms of personnel and formation give me hope that this pre-season has been the final wake-up call he needed to see that more of the squad can and should be used, I fear hoping for him to spend all the money abroad and scupper the transfer merry-go-round is a step too far even for a die-hard MON supporter and Happy Clapper such as me.
Nice idea however.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on August 07, 2010, 08:10:19 AM
Seems like the bookies think we'll be getting Ireland, Keane and poss Bellamy in.
Not linking to relevant odds any more so can't comment directly, but it was Skybet who had Richard Dunne as odds-on to come to us in around June or July last year. Don't have access to the place I need to get into to check exactly when at the moment.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 07, 2010, 08:51:02 AM
Quote from: "Guy M"
Quote from: "Legion"
No need for McGeady. We have plenty of options there.
Spot on. If there was even a chance MON was going to buy him, I can't imagine Celtic would have accepted Spartak's offer or he'd have travelled over there to meet with the club.
I hope you're right but one of the Glasgow papers (Evening Times, don't know how reputable they are though) said yesterday that he was reluctant to move over there. Trappatoni had advised him not to, as he thinks he'd struggle to settle. They reckon there's a £9.5m offer coming in providing the Milner deal goes through.
Pray to god we don't sign McGeady, he'll just hold Albrighton back. After the pre-season(s) he's had, what kind of message would that send out to the kids? They might as well not bother.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 07, 2010, 09:23:05 AM
Quote from: "villa for life"
We want Ireland, but does he want us? Didn't he say he wanted to stay at city? If he does want a move, quotes usually do get leaked about a preferred club ect....I just worry, he is kind of being forced to come..
In his perfect world he would probably stay at City, where he has been for a long time. I think it's more a case of Mancini telling him to do one because he doesn't rate him. I hope this makes Ireland want to stuff that back down his throat by being brilliant for us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2010, 09:47:59 AM
If Stephen Ireland comes to Villa and puts the effort in to perform the way that Richard Dunne has I'll be more than happy.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 07, 2010, 09:52:48 AM
Have we sold spotty yet?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2010, 09:52:58 AM
Seems like the bookies think we'll be getting Ireland, Keane and poss Bellamy in.
Not linking to relevant odds any more so can't comment directly, but it was Skybet who had Richard Dunne as odds-on to come to us in around June or July last year. Don't have access to the place I need to get into to check exactly when at the moment.
I wouldn't read too much into the fact that Skybet got it right last season. Their odds are mainly just following the money.
Interesting, though, that Carlos Tevez is 11/8 to go to Real Madrid. Hadn't even heard that one rumoured. And Ozil 1/3 to go to Man United.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2010, 09:58:30 AM
Stephen Ireland didnt get regular football at Shiity last season and now shiity have bought £100 million pounds worth of players in the summer, with more players competing for his position. He wont stay there... Shitty need to shift players and Mancini dont fancy him....
Ill be over the moon with him, I remember playing shitty at vP and they hadnt got a clue and looked pretty poor until Ireland came on and changed the game... i think he will be another Dunne signing, very good for us with a point to prove....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on August 07, 2010, 10:12:17 AM
out of interest what were your thoughts on Sidwell when he signed, JP.
2 seasons ago Ireland had a great season, last season he didn't and he seems reluctant to leave City. Do we really need another out of sorts bench warmer on another big wage
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on August 07, 2010, 10:16:13 AM
This is a fantastic deal for us if Ireland is part of it. I wonder how much City will buy him back for this time next year?
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Post by: Karl Bridges on August 07, 2010, 10:23:14 AM
Like JP said, he changed the game for City at our place last year. Absolutely bossed the game and created a string of chances for them. Being in and out of the team last season and having a manager who doesn't rate him must have affected his game. I think he will be loved at Villa which will hopefully bring out the best in him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 07, 2010, 10:23:53 AM
So judging by MON's comments it's looking like Ireland in?
I missed all the post game stuff yesterday, but saw a bit on SSN this morning.
£20million and Ireland would be immense business.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2010, 10:24:00 AM
I don't put much store in ITK stuff, but my mate reckons Cyrille Regis told him that it's a done deal, and amazingly reckons it's for Ireland and £22m, which will be undisclosed of course.
I can confirm nothing as absolute truth except to say that my mate really does know Cyrille Regis.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2010, 10:24:43 AM
Quote from: "Percy"
I don't put much store in ITK stuff, but my mate reckons Cyrille Regis told him that it's a done deal, and amazingly reckons it's for Ireland and £22m, which will be undisclosed of course.
I can confirm nothing as absolute truth except to say that my mate really does know Cyrille Regis.
That would be deal of the century.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2010, 10:27:54 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Percy"
I don't put much store in ITK stuff, but my mate reckons Cyrille Regis told him that it's a done deal, and amazingly reckons it's for Ireland and £22m, which will be undisclosed of course.
I can confirm nothing as absolute truth except to say that my mate really does know Cyrille Regis.
That would be deal of the century.
Agreed, and suspect that like most on here, even though my mate was giving it the old '100% gospel' shit, I found it quite hard to believe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2010, 10:29:51 AM
Quote from: "Percy"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Percy"
I don't put much store in ITK stuff, but my mate reckons Cyrille Regis told him that it's a done deal, and amazingly reckons it's for Ireland and £22m, which will be undisclosed of course.
I can confirm nothing as absolute truth except to say that my mate really does know Cyrille Regis.
That would be deal of the century.
Agreed, and suspect that like most on here, even though my mate was giving it the old '100% gospel' shit, I found it quite hard to believe.
I dunno, if you think about it, maybe we've been playing hardball and demanding 30m cash, not interested in players, and City have come back with an offer involving Ireland, then there's been a bit of to-ing and fro-ing over the valuation of Ireland and, as a result, the size of the cash element, with us playing the "we didn't want a player thrown in, anyway" card .....
Nah, you're right. Hard to believe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2010, 10:31:16 AM
£22m plus Stephen Ireland would put O'Neill firmly back in the "transfer genius" camp for me.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on August 07, 2010, 10:31:26 AM
Wouldn't that value Milner at about £35m? A record for an Englishman isn't it, as well as being fucking stupid.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 07, 2010, 10:35:48 AM
£22m + Ireland would be afuckingmazing.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Karl Bridges on August 07, 2010, 10:44:35 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I dunno, if you think about it, maybe we've been playing hardball and demanding 30m cash, not interested in players, and City have come back with an offer involving Ireland, then there's been a bit of to-ing and fro-ing over the valuation of Ireland and, as a result, the size of the cash element, with us playing the "we didn't want a player thrown in, anyway" card .....
Nah, you're right. Hard to believe.
Apparently that was exactly it, we just wanted a straight £30m. Ireland is supposedly being valued at £8m in the deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2010, 10:44:39 AM
"Here, have this player who is at least as good as the one you're giving us, and £22m as well."
Nice work if true. In an ordinary world, I'd take Ireland in a straight swap to be honest.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on August 07, 2010, 10:44:59 AM
i wont believe it untill its happened, anywhere between 15-22 mill plus Ireland is just to good to be true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citizenDJ on August 07, 2010, 10:45:43 AM
Quote from: "PaulTheVillan"
£22m + Ireland would be afuckingmazing.
It would be utterly, utterly insane.
But quite brilliant.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 07, 2010, 10:45:56 AM
Quote from: "Karl Bridges"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
I dunno, if you think about it, maybe we've been playing hardball and demanding 30m cash, not interested in players, and City have come back with an offer involving Ireland, then there's been a bit of to-ing and fro-ing over the valuation of Ireland and, as a result, the size of the cash element, with us playing the "we didn't want a player thrown in, anyway" card .....
Nah, you're right. Hard to believe.
Apparently that was exactly it, we just wanted a straight £30m. Ireland is supposedly being valued at £8m in the deal.
That is a honey of a deal if we can get it / have got it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 07, 2010, 10:49:11 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
£22m plus Stephen Ireland would put O'Neill firmly back in the "transfer genius" camp for me.
To be fair, I thought he handled the Barry situation superbly, and if he got that sort of deal for Milner, he's done even better. Way better.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 07, 2010, 10:50:34 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
"Here, have this player who is at least as good as the one you're giving us, and £22m as well."
Nice work if true. In an ordinary world, I'd take Ireland in a straight swap to be honest.
Same.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Kevin Dawson on August 07, 2010, 10:54:05 AM
I'll give Milner a lift to Citeh if he wants - anything to get it sorted quickly...£20 million + Ireland would be excellent business.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2010, 10:56:43 AM
If that is the deal, then a few pats on the back are deserved all round i think. It sounds like we've done exactly what Everton did over Lescot, not budged and come out of it pretty well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Drummond on August 07, 2010, 11:08:34 AM
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Risso"
£22m plus Stephen Ireland would put O'Neill firmly back in the "transfer genius" camp for me.
To be fair, I thought he handled the Barry situation superbly, and if he got that sort of deal for Milner, he's done even better. Way better.
£34m and Stephen Ireland for James Milner and Gareth Barry.
Aiden McGeady, Stephen Ireland, Robbie Keane, Richard Dunne, Stephen Warnock and James Collins for James Milner and Gareth Barry.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 07, 2010, 11:24:06 AM
Having a look on Blue Moon was interesting. Click (http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=175975&start=3070)
General concensus is that Ireland is a one-season wonder. They also think that Milner will be brought in to match the physicality and mobility of the team that they're assembling. Except Barry that is:
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Also, with regards to his speed, he's no greyhound but he has greater mobility than De Jong, Barry and possibly Kompany.
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Stephen Hawking on a beach has more mobility than Gareth Barry at the moment.
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It's even worse than that. He was so slow running through the cones at the open day yesterday, I actually felt embarrassed for him.
Ricky Holden would have left him for dead.
....and at least Ricky could cross a fooking ball.
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I honestly can't see Barry getting much playing time in the prem or Europa this season. I think he'll play in the domestic cup games if he's lucky.
Most interesting for me was that there was barely any outrage at the money that is supposedly changing hands. It seems that they really care very little in regard to paying over the top (way way WAY over the top) for players.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 07, 2010, 11:26:32 AM
Lerner and Faulkner are doing the negotiating, not o neill- I believe the price will be around £16m plus Ireland which is excellent business.
O neill has already stated he has had no part in negotiations with city, so let's give the credit to randy and Faulkner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2010, 11:27:03 AM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
Quote from: "Risso"
"Here, have this player who is at least as good as the one you're giving us, and £22m as well."
Nice work if true. In an ordinary world, I'd take Ireland in a straight swap to be honest.
Same.
Make that three. Long thought Milner is a decent player - witness that he can just about get into the England team - but hugely over-rated. He'll see the error of his ways the end of next season just as Barry will this...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2010, 11:28:07 AM
Quote from: "Risso"
£22m plus Stephen Ireland would put O'Neill firmly back in the "transfer genius" camp for me.
Agreed, that would be a fantastic deal. I just hope it's true.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 07, 2010, 11:31:21 AM
Quote from: "east19"
Lerner and Faulkner are doing the negotiating, not o neill- I believe the price will be around £16m plus Ireland which is excellent business.
O neill has already stated he has had no part in negotiations with city, so let's give the credit to randy and Faulkner.
There was a quote on the Blue Moon site I mentioned above that said £16m plus £2m in add-ons plus Ireland.
What the add-ons are, I couldn't tell you.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2010, 12:00:37 PM
Quote from: "Drummond"
Quote from: "pauliewalnuts"
Quote from: "Risso"
£22m plus Stephen Ireland would put O'Neill firmly back in the "transfer genius" camp for me.
To be fair, I thought he handled the Barry situation superbly, and if he got that sort of deal for Milner, he's done even better. Way better.
£34m and Stephen Ireland for James Milner and Gareth Barry.
Aiden McGeady, Stephen Ireland, Robbie Keane, Richard Dunne, Stephen Warnock and James Collins for James Milner and Gareth Barry.
Nice list. How about:
McGeady, Ireland, Keane, Dunne, Warnock, Collins and Carew for Baros, Barry and Milner.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mouse Potato on August 07, 2010, 12:01:12 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Make that three. Long thought Milner is a decent player - witness that he can just about get into the England team - but hugely over-rated. He'll see the error of his ways the end of next season just as Barry will this...
But will they? (see the error of their ways). They both went for the money and they'll get paid whether playing or plucking out arse splinters instead.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2010, 12:06:55 PM
Quote from: "Mouse Potato"
Quote from: "richard moore"
Make that three. Long thought Milner is a decent player - witness that he can just about get into the England team - but hugely over-rated. He'll see the error of his ways the end of next season just as Barry will this...
But will they? (see the error of their ways). They both went for the money and they'll get paid whether playing or plucking out arse splinters instead.
Fine by me if that is their sole motive. Barry will be completely forgotten by most within 5 years and Milner's honeymoon period is now over. He will have to perform to a very high standard for that money and his transfer fee and it won't be long before it starts to dawn on people that he's really not that good. As you say though, they'll both be very rich and of course that is the only reason all these players have gone there. Hilarious in the paper this morning to read some of these mercenaries trying to claim what an honour it is to play for Man City, a club they probably hadn't even heard of two years ago....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 07, 2010, 12:12:02 PM
Milner will probably blossom at city and will probably go on to captain England in future, however Barry will struggle to get any games and may well have to move on if he wants to stay in capello's plans.
Mancini didn't sign him and he seems to be inkling out Hughes old signings one by one.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 07, 2010, 12:22:59 PM
IF Villa can get Ireland plus money for Milner i'd say they've got a bloody brilliant deal. Much as I like Milner I think Ireland on his day is a better player, ignoring what mad Malcolm says whenever he's had a regular run in the City team he's looked a class act plus he won't be distracted by any International gubbins.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank on August 07, 2010, 12:23:34 PM
Quote from: "Troy Eccles"
Quote from: "east19"
Lerner and Faulkner are doing the negotiating, not o neill- I believe the price will be around £16m plus Ireland which is excellent business.
O neill has already stated he has had no part in negotiations with city, so let's give the credit to randy and Faulkner.
There was a quote on the Blue Moon site I mentioned above that said £16m plus £2m in add-ons plus Ireland.
What the add-ons are, I couldn't tell you.
Today's Times says the add-ons could lift the fee to £20m. But that would probably involve Milner playing regularly, which I doubt he will.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 07, 2010, 01:04:40 PM
While we'll obviously miss Milner's superhuman work rate and 60 yard runs in the 93rd minute on a rainy Tuesday night in Wigan, we will gain someone who can play a clever reverse pass to unlock some of the bottom half fodder.
If we can get Ireland anywhere near his 2008/09 form we'll be a better side, and if we can get him striking up a partnership with Ash like he had with Robinho we'll be in the top 4.
He might be a bit of a nutter but he's the real deal and Citeh are idiotic for letting him go.
Would be brilliant, and whatever MON's tactics were couldn't help but play some attractive football.
IMO, anyway.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 01:10:06 PM
That's the sort of thing I'd be looking at, JJ. Kind of lop-sided, as Downing is better coming in-field deeper than Ash, who is better high up the pitch. They'd all interchange and go everywhere of course, apart from Petrov, who'll only have to mop up and will finally get the workload lifted from his shoulders - not least because we'd have more possession.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citizenDJ on August 07, 2010, 01:12:35 PM
I like that, but I think we'd have to try and get NRC in there somewhere to add some muscle.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 07, 2010, 01:14:15 PM
Could play Nige as a narrow right-sided player like he started 08/09 and finished 07/08 before Milner came into the side?
Some of his best form for us has been there, I reckon.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 01:18:21 PM
Nige is a liability. It's like someone (I want to say Paulie?) says on here about Cuellar - that at the top level teams press you into giving the ball to your worse footballers. Now, if 1-11 are good footballers, then they have a problem, but if we were to have a right side of Cuellar and NRC - God help us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2010, 01:22:48 PM
If we just regimented NRC to break up play and give it to the attacking players he's be one of the best in the league. He's quick and strong as a horse. We'd replace all of Milners workrate and if we got Ireland in or somebody like him, improve in the final third. There would be better balance.
So, I'd like to keep NRC and play a system which gets the best out of him. I know this will be contraversial but I'd rather keep NRC than Petrov.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 07, 2010, 01:30:09 PM
If NRC breaks the play up and gives a simple ball to stephen Ireland , then we havent got a problem and nRC is a good player.. The problem is when NRC thinks he can do what Stephen Ireland can do ;-)
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 01:33:08 PM
Quote from: "JUAN PABLO"
If NRC breaks the play up and gives a simple ball to stephen Ireland , then we havent got a problem and nRC is a good player.. The problem is when NRC thinks he can do what Stephen Ireland can do ;-)
Not only that, he never actually does pass short, even when the most obvious option in the world is on. Yesterday, against Valencia, he actually passed it well and competently - but it's the first time he's done it in nearly a year.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: citizenDJ on August 07, 2010, 01:37:21 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we just regimented NRC to break up play and give it to the attacking players he's be one of the best in the league. He's quick and strong as a horse. We'd replace all of Milners workrate and if we got Ireland in or somebody like him, improve in the final third. There would be better balance.
So, I'd like to keep NRC and play a system which gets the best out of him. I know this will be contraversial but I'd rather keep NRC than Petrov.
Yep, agree with all of this.
Well, maybe not the last bit. Maybe.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: russon on August 07, 2010, 01:42:23 PM
I'd have Barry back as part of the deal. We'd soon forgive and forget but I think he's too proud to come back.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2010, 01:46:57 PM
I dont want to see that bell end in a Villa shirt ever again.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on August 07, 2010, 01:56:55 PM
Apparently its done, £18 million plus Steven Ireland.
Bloody good deal in my eyes, although Petrov and Ireland will be too lightweight in a 2 in centre midfield (if MON does that)?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 07, 2010, 01:58:34 PM
What's the source, achillies?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2010, 01:59:54 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
I dont want to see that bell end in a Villa shirt ever again.
Nor me. He can go and sling one. He's got whats coming to him, though as he was only interested in the money anyway I'm sure he's not too concerned either way...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 07, 2010, 02:03:07 PM
Quote from: "russon"
I'd have Barry back as part of the deal. We'd soon forgive and forget but I think he's too proud to come back.
You know, it could happen. He's letting Shorey go, so we'll need a back up left back. Personally, he can stay where he is and wait for the Champions League he craved after.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2010, 02:03:20 PM
Quote from: "citizenDJ"
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we just regimented NRC to break up play and give it to the attacking players he's be one of the best in the league. He's quick and strong as a horse. We'd replace all of Milners workrate and if we got Ireland in or somebody like him, improve in the final third. There would be better balance.
So, I'd like to keep NRC and play a system which gets the best out of him. I know this will be contraversial but I'd rather keep NRC than Petrov.
Yep, agree with all of this.
Well, maybe not the last bit. Maybe.
I would play NRC, Petrov and Ireland and drop the luxury that is Stuart Downing, bringing him or Albrighton on as impact subs this season. We need to create much much more through the middle, particularly at home. Teams have sussed out our 'give it the wingers and sling it into the box' approach. I would then give Ash a roving wing role and still play Gabby and Carew up front, at least for home games....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 07, 2010, 02:06:47 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
I would play NRC, Petrov and Ireland and drop the luxury that is Stuart Downing, bringing him or Albrighton on as impact subs this season. We need to create much much more through the middle, particularly at home. Teams have sussed out our 'give it the wingers and sling it into the box' approach. I would then give Ash a roving wing role and still play Gabby and Carew up front, at least for home games....
Now that would make lot of sense Richard and deliver results specially at home.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on August 07, 2010, 02:07:04 PM
Can't reveal the source, but all the paperwork is being done at the moment everything has been agreed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2010, 02:09:18 PM
Quote from: "aftab235"
Quote from: "richard moore"
I would play NRC, Petrov and Ireland and drop the luxury that is Stuart Downing, bringing him or Albrighton on as impact subs this season. We need to create much much more through the middle, particularly at home. Teams have sussed out our 'give it the wingers and sling it into the box' approach. I would then give Ash a roving wing role and still play Gabby and Carew up front, at least for home games....
Now that would make lot of sense Richard and deliver results specially at home.
It would also allow Petrov to get forward a bit more and reinvent his Celtic role where he used to score some cracking goals. Knowing us however, it will be Petrov who plays DM and NRC will be trying to run on beyond Gabby!!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank on August 07, 2010, 02:11:35 PM
Quote from: "Mazrim"
If we just regimented NRC to break up play and give it to the attacking players he's be one of the best in the league. He's quick and strong as a horse.
As you say, he breaks up play, he's strong, he's great driving forward - but he can't pass accurately. That would be my worry about NRC
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2010, 02:13:58 PM
Funny, but I am completely unbothered about Milner going. Not even really slightly sorry. Can't understand why that is, but it just isn't registering with me much at all...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: boboonthecorner on August 07, 2010, 02:20:03 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Funny, but I am completely unbothered about Milner going. Not even really slightly sorry. Can't understand why that is, but it just isn't registering with me much at all...
Despite the fact he was our player of the year I don't think he's worth that sort of money. Normally I'd be ecstatic at us getting £25m but I expect it will be spent on another overrated English player big on effort but little on skill.
As for City I guess we'll see them this time next year when they come back for Albrighton???
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: richard moore on August 07, 2010, 02:26:12 PM
Quote from: "boboonthecorner"
Quote from: "richard moore"
Funny, but I am completely unbothered about Milner going. Not even really slightly sorry. Can't understand why that is, but it just isn't registering with me much at all...
Despite the fact he was our player of the year I don't think he's worth that sort of money. Normally I'd be ecstatic at us getting £25m but I expect it will be spent on another overrated English player big on effort but little on skill.
As for City I guess we'll see them this time next year when they come back for Albrighton???
Nah, they'll still be signing mercenaries who aren't quite good enough to hold down a place in the top teams but who can kid City fans and the goons in charge that playing at the utterly soulless COMS is all they have ever dreamed of doing...
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 07, 2010, 02:33:30 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Funny, but I am completely unbothered about Milner going. Not even really slightly sorry. Can't understand why that is, but it just isn't registering with me much at all...
I'm hoping he'll go in a swap with Ireland, it all goes tits up for him, and he comes back cheap next year to form the best midfield in the country with Ireland and Delph.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2010, 02:45:46 PM
Quote from: "JJ-AV"
While we'll obviously miss Milner's superhuman work rate and 60 yard runs in the 93rd minute on a rainy Tuesday night in Wigan, we will gain someone who can play a clever reverse pass to unlock some of the bottom half fodder.
If we can get Ireland anywhere near his 2008/09 form we'll be a better side, and if we can get him striking up a partnership with Ash like he had with Robinho we'll be in the top 4.
He might be a bit of a nutter but he's the real deal and Citeh are idiotic for letting him go.
There's a degree of flexibility in both of those midfields anyway, their position at kick-off won't necessarily be their position 20/30 minutes into the game.
I'm encouraged by the fact that we've spent a fair part of the pre-season with one up front, though I'm not entirely convinced that Ash has what it takes to play just off the forwards. He started out that way for us back in 2007 and was largely anonymous. It was only when he was switched to the left flank that he started to have any kind of impact. True, he did play there at the back end of 2008 and we scored a sheadload. But that was against some particularly poor opposition (Bolton/Derby/B-lose et.c).
The one obvious advantage of starting with him there is that if he is double tagged (as he so often is in the league) we still have two players out wide who can do damage from there.
I'd prefer to see Ireland in that role though, I think it could be the making of us.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on August 07, 2010, 03:02:52 PM
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2010, 03:07:44 PM
Quote from: "achilles"
Can't reveal the source, but all the paperwork is being done at the moment everything has been agreed.
If true then that's the deal of the century....in Man City's fans eyes then it's the crime of the century.
All the 'noises' are saying that this is the deal without saying how much cash we're getting. Every one of them is saying it's a brilliant bit of business. Lawro' has said earlier today that Milner has peaked, i tend to agree. Don't get me wrong I like Milner, mainly because of his work ethic throughout the match, he's probably the best in this department in the Prem so in a way I can see why man City want him so badly. He will be their expensive shire horse amongst the thoroughbreds and show ponies. We need more thoroughbreds, Ireland is a start.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: holteman83 on August 07, 2010, 03:08:47 PM
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
If he comes within 20 feet of this club I'll fucking riot.... the man is scum.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on August 07, 2010, 03:30:00 PM
Quote from: "holteman83"
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
If he comes within 20 feet of this club I'll fucking riot.... the man is scum.
you dont like him then ??
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: adamski villa on August 07, 2010, 03:37:00 PM
Quote from: "holteman83"
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
If he comes within 20 feet of this club I'll fucking riot.... the man is scum.
"scum" is far too nice for him, a complete and utter tw@t
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on August 07, 2010, 03:37:39 PM
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
I don't think I've ever read anything as insane as the above.
What posessed you to write that?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank black on August 07, 2010, 03:40:31 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "holteman83"
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
If he comes within 20 feet of this club I'll fucking riot.... the man is scum.
you dont like him then ??
I can imagine, only his mother could love him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on August 07, 2010, 03:42:59 PM
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
I don't think I've ever read anything as insane as the above.
What posessed you to write that?
well NRC is not very good, and Barton is quite good but a little bit mad,
i'm sure MON would be able to handle him, he's got a good record with not falling out with players
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jembob on August 07, 2010, 03:43:42 PM
Quote from: "richard moore"
Funny, but I am completely unbothered about Milner going. Not even really slightly sorry. Can't understand why that is, but it just isn't registering with me much at all...
Strange that I feel exactly the same. Perhaps it's because we realise that apart from a great work ethic, he doesn't give us what we really need which is a creative pass maker. I was not convinced that Milner could do that for us even when he was playing in the centre, and we were no less creative in the games that he didn't play last season. I'm more excited about Ireland being in the team though, as he could just be the spark of insane magic that we are missing. It would be a bigger loss had Ash been up for sale, as although he can be frustrating, having more creative players in the side might just bring the best out of him.
If anything I fear for Milner. A big price tag comes with a lot of pressure. In his first season back with us he was mediocre and I used to hear him getting a lot of stick about being over priced. If he doesn't get off to good start at Citeh he won't get much time to turn it around and may well find himself on the bench. As a player who thrives on playing regular games that could be a real problem.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Situation on August 07, 2010, 03:51:45 PM
Bye Bye Milner, you were a really good player for us for 2 seasons but tbh, if Mad Shitty are willing to be dumb again and offer us a handful of stacks plus a player in exchange who is equally as good as you then I'm not really that bothered that you're leaving.
Have fun trying to have a regular spot in the team along with all those superstars *cough* mercanaries *cough*... too bad if you get piles along with Barry from sitting on the bench too much.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank black on August 07, 2010, 03:53:30 PM
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "Dave"
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
I don't think I've ever read anything as insane as the above.
What posessed you to write that?
well NRC is not very good, and Barton is quite good but a little bit mad,
i'm sure MON would be able to handle him, he's got a good record with not falling out with players
As soon as Martin falls out with him. Barton would rip his head off and stub his fag out in the gaping hole.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2010, 03:54:06 PM
I'm personally hoping the deal goes through today, but not many happen on a Saturday.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 03:55:55 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
I'm personally hoping the deal goes through today, but not many happen on a Saturday.
It's their turn to play Valencia this evening as well. I think the deal is more likely to occur tomorrow or Monday.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jimbo on August 07, 2010, 04:05:03 PM
I'm unmoved by Milner's departure, not because I've suddenly altered my evaluation of him as a player now that he's off, but because I've seen so many gifted or useful players leave us that I'm numb to it now. Losing Dwight Yorke was the hardest, and now anyone else who decides they have to leave is just another player.
I'd rather we kept Milner, but he didn't want to stay. He can go. I only hope we can replace him. Our game is all about huff and puff, which Milner was particularly suited to. As our system is unlikely to change, the rest of the players are going to have to huff and puff a little bit harder if we don't replace him with someone similarly tireless.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: tim on August 07, 2010, 04:15:25 PM
Quote from: "frank black"
Quote from: "john e"
Quote from: "holteman83"
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
If he comes within 20 feet of this club I'll fucking riot.... the man is scum.
you dont like him then ??
I can imagine, only his mother could love him.
I would imagine even his mother thinks he a dickhead. I really hope the likes of Barton and Bellamy never play for Villa. I like to have a team to be proud of, not apologise for.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2010, 04:27:27 PM
Funny. The weekend Milner will finally force his move to Man City, Arteta signs a new 5 year contract at Everton. Given his age and the financial restrictions ate Everton, you would think someone like Arteta might look to manufacture a move away. Good to see a teeny bit of loyalty and appreciation still exists amongst some players. He is a brilliant player.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: David_Nab on August 07, 2010, 04:31:13 PM
I just chucked £25 quid on Ireland to join at 2/5 so I hope this goes through ok now !
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on August 07, 2010, 04:41:41 PM
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Funny. The weekend Milner will finally force his move to Man City, Arteta signs a new 5 year contract at Everton. Given his age and the financial restrictions ate Everton, you would think someone like Arteta might look to manufacture a move away. Good to see a teeny bit of loyalty and appreciation still exists amongst some players. He is a brilliant player.
The cynic in me says that Arteta's agent knows Fabregas is staying, Milner is going so no bids coming from Man City or Arsenal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 07, 2010, 04:42:19 PM
It's not that Ireland is better player it is that he is closer to what we need than Milner. If we get the right team around him we will be better for having Ireland than Milner.
I think if he struggles there it will prove to be a bad move and what's to say when they achieve CL football that they won't find and replace him with a better player?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 04:44:21 PM
Agreed Sandman. It may also be that Milner is closer to what City need than Ireland, so it's one of those rare occasions where all parties are sufficiently satisfied that a swap actually happens.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 07, 2010, 05:07:38 PM
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
Barton should not be anywhere near a football at all, let alone the greatest club in the world.
Surely blose is the only team he could go to. A midfield of Barton, Bowyer and Ferguson - you couldn't get 3 bigger ****** in the same place at the same time.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: bobcat on August 07, 2010, 05:10:44 PM
Quote
Surely blose is the only team he could go to. A midfield of Barton, Bowyer and Ferguson - you couldn't get 3 bigger c***s in the same place at the same time.
Savage?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 07, 2010, 05:11:00 PM
Quote from: "David_Nab"
I just chucked £25 quid on Ireland to join at 2/5 so I hope this goes through ok now !
As a former Bookie, 2/5 seems a good price. I'll be very suprised if he doesn't.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2010, 05:12:15 PM
Quote from: "SteveN"
Quote from: "toronto villa"
Funny. The weekend Milner will finally force his move to Man City, Arteta signs a new 5 year contract at Everton. Given his age and the financial restrictions ate Everton, you would think someone like Arteta might look to manufacture a move away. Good to see a teeny bit of loyalty and appreciation still exists amongst some players. He is a brilliant player.
The cynic in me says that Arteta's agent knows Fabregas is staying, Milner is going so no bids coming from Man City or Arsenal.
I know contracts don't mean much, but the deal is for 5 years. I don't think he even needed to sign a new contract but did anyway. It gives Everton that much security in getting a fee in the future. You may be right, and he'll end up going next summer, but Everton will pick a sizeable transfer fee regardless.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 07, 2010, 05:16:22 PM
Quote from: "bobcat"
Quote
Surely blose is the only team he could go to. A midfield of Barton, Bowyer and Ferguson - you couldn't get 3 bigger c***s in the same place at the same time.
Savage?
Yeah he is a prick. However, compared to Barton, hes Jesus.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on August 07, 2010, 05:38:05 PM
Quote from: "frank"
As you say, he breaks up play, he's strong, he's great driving forward - but he can't pass accurately. That would be my worry about NRC
I don't agree.
In the right circumstances he can pass fine, as I'm sure his next manager will show.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2010, 06:27:24 PM
Quote from: "taylorsworkrate"
Surely blose is the only team he could go to. A midfield of Barton, Bowyer and Ferguson - you couldn't get 3 bigger c***s in the same place at the same time.
Pretty sure I once saw Dawn French, Jo Brand and John Leslie on the same tv chat-show sofa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 07, 2010, 06:39:47 PM
Quote from: "David_Nab"
I just chucked £25 quid on Ireland to join at 2/5 so I hope this goes through ok now !
Well according to "City Chris",we have "less than zero chance" of signing "Stevie"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: lovejoy on August 07, 2010, 06:42:59 PM
I'm not sure Stephen Irelands the full ticket. How is his Gran?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 06:43:58 PM
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look to someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo. Can't see it.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2010, 06:44:50 PM
I can see why Ireland is part of the deal, Citeh clearly want Milner they don't need Ireland and Mancini isn't a big fan apparently.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 06:45:48 PM
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look tto someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 06:48:05 PM
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look tto someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo.
Well thats a bit better than what I had seen but its still mere speculation. It says we have asked but does he want to come to us?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 06:50:40 PM
It's the further ratcheting up of speculation. Usually tabloid rumours come back once or twice and then go away, perhaps the Mirror will persist in reprinting nonsense to fill space. However, this one is following it's way up the ladder until the Guardian reports it as fact, and that bloke over on VT who seems to know things has been going on about Ireland for quite a while, Keane as well.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2010, 06:51:19 PM
I think the key figure probably suggests it's in the offing. Plus the Guardian tend to be decent when it comes to Villa.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 06:53:17 PM
As I say, I hope it is true. He'd be a super player for us. Keane too.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: john e on August 07, 2010, 06:55:37 PM
Quote from: "taylorsworkrate"
Quote from: "john e"
i'd swap Barton for NRC then we would have a proper footballer in the midfield as well as a good tackler, as well as a complete bell end, but i could put up with the last bit
Barton should not be anywhere near a football at all, let alone the greatest club in the world.
Surely blose is the only team he could go to. A midfield of Barton, Bowyer and Ferguson - you couldn't get 3 bigger c***s in the same place at the same time.
yeah, well i knew i'd be on me own on this one, but i still think he's a good player, and if Milner goes and we get Ireland, he could do that industry/watercarrier job plus be a better passer and player than NRC.
but i can see why the idea doesnt go down well, to be honest
however i'd take the risk and give him another !! chance
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 07, 2010, 06:56:02 PM
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look tto someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo.
Well thats a bit better than what I had seen but its still mere speculation. It says we have asked but does he want to come to us?
Have you actualy read any papers today?Ireland is mentioned in everyone I've read-As for "not wanting to come to us",it's amazing what the offer of an extra 10 grand a week does to a players aspirations.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 06:57:59 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look tto someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo.
Well thats a bit better than what I had seen but its still mere speculation. It says we have asked but does he want to come to us?
Have you actualy read any papers today?Ireland is mentioned in everyone I've read-As for "not wanting to come to us",it's amazing what the offer of an extra 10 grand a week does to a players aspirations.
Are we offering him 10k more than he is on at City? I find that very hard to believe. Also I have read the papers and they are simply suggesting that he could be used as bait, thats all.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 07:00:03 PM
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
As I say, I hope it is true. He'd be a super player for us. Keane too.
It's Stuart James who's the Villa correspondent, and this piece is actually by Daniel Taylor who does Man City stuff. I don't know his record, but I'll assume that's it better than anything the Mirror have come out with.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2010, 07:03:09 PM
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look to someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo. Can't see it.
The Guardian, The Mirror and SSN have all mentioned him as part of the deal.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 07, 2010, 07:04:12 PM
Ireland not in the squad for City tonight....
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 07:07:02 PM
Quote from: "irreverent ad"
Ireland not in the squad for City tonight....
Brilliant.
I'm really getting excited about Ireland. Particularly his off-the-ball movement is really good, better than Milner, and it will be interesting to see how Petrov links with him, as Petrov has so often looked like a lone player with a brain in our team.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 07, 2010, 07:07:27 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look to someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo. Can't see it.
The Guardian, The Mirror and SSN have all mentioned him as part of the deal.
The Sun,The Mail & the Express also,as well as BT News
Perhaps Mr "in the sky" could point us to any section of the media that isn't talking about Ireland?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2010, 07:10:13 PM
Please god let Ireland be part of the deal. That one transfer alone would be enough to lift me from "meh, the season starts in a week" to "ohmifuckinggod, the football season is here again, you beauty!!!11111eleven"
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 07:12:14 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look to someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo. Can't see it.
The Guardian, The Mirror and SSN have all mentioned him as part of the deal.
The Sun,The Mail & the Express also,as well as BT News
Perhaps Mr "in the sky" could point us to any section of the media that isn't talking about Ireland?
Perhaps you could point us in the direction of a quote from MON, or Mancini, or anyone involved with either club that mentions Ireland as part of the deal. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that we haven't heard anything from the clubs or people involved.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 07, 2010, 07:14:17 PM
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
Quote from: "Monty"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look tto someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo.
Well thats a bit better than what I had seen but its still mere speculation. It says we have asked but does he want to come to us?
Have you actualy read any papers today?Ireland is mentioned in everyone I've read-As for "not wanting to come to us",it's amazing what the offer of an extra 10 grand a week does to a players aspirations.
Are we offering him 10k more than he is on at City? I find that very hard to believe. Also I have read the papers and they are simply suggesting that he could be used as bait, thats all.
Of course we're not offering him 10 grand more-He is negotiating a wage,he will not say "yes I'd love to play for Villa,in fact I'll take a drop in wages to do so" He might ask for £90 grand,get offered £70 grand & then settle for £80 grand-thats laymans terms for you-Hope it hasn't phased you
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: nechells on August 07, 2010, 07:15:43 PM
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look to someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo. Can't see it.
The Guardian, The Mirror and SSN have all mentioned him as part of the deal.
The Sun,The Mail & the Express also,as well as BT News
Perhaps Mr "in the sky" could point us to any section of the media that isn't talking about Ireland?
Perhaps you could point us in the direction of a quote from MON, or Mancini, or anyone involved with either club that mentions Ireland as part of the deal. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that we haven't heard anything from the clubs or people involved.
But I'm not the idiot who says it hasn't been reported in the media
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 07, 2010, 07:18:27 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
Please god let Ireland be part of the deal. That one transfer alone would be enough to lift me from "meh, the season starts in a week" to "ohmifuckinggod, the football season is here again, you beauty!!!11111eleven"
Yep, Risso. Despite Ireland being a bit of nut, two seasons ago he was superb, and had a lot of admirers on this board. If he is coming as part of the Milner deal, plus some 20 million, then we have to applaud everyone at the club for pulling this off. I really like James Milner, but goodness me Man City will be paying way over the odds. Good for us, and if we can invest the funds in 3 or 4 other solid players (even Robbie Keane), plus the very promising kids coming through I think we can all start to look at this season with a lot of optimism.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 07:26:34 PM
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look to someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo. Can't see it.
The Guardian, The Mirror and SSN have all mentioned him as part of the deal.
The Sun,The Mail & the Express also,as well as BT News
Perhaps Mr "in the sky" could point us to any section of the media that isn't talking about Ireland?
Perhaps you could point us in the direction of a quote from MON, or Mancini, or anyone involved with either club that mentions Ireland as part of the deal. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that we haven't heard anything from the clubs or people involved.
But I'm not the idiot who says it hasn't been reported in the media
Where did I say that it hadn't been reported in the media? If you read my post it didn't say that? Why are you calling me an idiot, are you unable to express yourself without insults. I am a fellow Villa fan.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 07, 2010, 07:26:39 PM
If we get Ireland and one or two other decent players, I'll stick my neck and say we'll nick 4th place this season.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
If we get Ireland and one or two other decent players, I'll stick my neck and say we'll nick 4th place this season.
Welcome back to the happiness fold, Riss.
I think we wanted Ireland before the Milner thing, so it follows that if Milner goes we'll get a replacement for him, hopefully a midfield with technique and energy to be an upgrade on NRC/Sidwell. Add this to Keane and the excellent kids coming through, and we certainly have a chance to compete.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 07, 2010, 07:32:04 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
If we get Ireland and one or two other decent players, I'll stick my neck and say we'll nick 4th place this season.
I've called the Isle of Man police. Obviously Villdawg has killed the real Risso ;-)
For me it depends on a) who the players are and b) if the manager has got past some of his annoying foibles.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2010, 07:36:54 PM
Quote from: "TheSandman"
It's not that Ireland is better player it is that he is closer to what we need than Milner. If we get the right team around him we will be better for having Ireland than Milner.
Nail on head
Quote from: "toronto villa"
If he is coming as part of the Milner deal, plus some 20 million, then we have to applaud everyone at the club for pulling this off. I really like James Milner, but goodness me Man City will be paying way over the odds. Good for us, and if we can invest the funds in 3 or 4 other solid players (even Robbie Keane), plus the very promising kids coming through I think we can all start to look at this season with a lot of optimism.
Agreed for the reason outlined above.
Quote from: "Risso"
If we get Ireland and one or two other decent players, I'll stick my neck and say we'll nick 4th place this season.
Bloody hell Risso, have you been drinking?
BTW I like this new found burst of optimism.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2010, 07:41:16 PM
I wonder will a ''loyalty bonus'' hold things up further? I imagine Milner has kept schtum about his future as his agent wants to get as much from the deal as possible. Surely telling your manager that you would like to go to a certain club after their bid has been turned-down is in effect a transfer request?
Doubling his wages and him/his agent getting a nice chunk of the transfer fee (what's the common percentage - 1.5%?) would underline how much this thing stenches of filthy lucre.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 07, 2010, 07:42:16 PM
Pat murphy on 5 live seems to think Ireland will come as mon likes him very much , he told him so last night in an interview.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brazilian Villain on August 07, 2010, 07:43:37 PM
Quote from: "eamonn"
Pretty sure I once saw Dawn French, Jo Brand and John Leslie on the same tv chat-show sofa.
Just a shame Dawn French stepped in for Shami Chakrabarti at the last minute and Ed Balls was unavailable.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2010, 07:43:42 PM
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
Quote from: "nechells"
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Holtenderinthesky"
I am struggling to believe that Ireland is part of the deal. I reckon he'll stay at City and we'll get Onouha or just cash with add ons and incentives. The only people talking about Ireland are us lot, even the media only give him a slight mention in relation to the Milner deal saying that we "could" look to someone like Ireland as a makeweight. Nowhere have I seen anything more solid than that unfortunately. Hope I'm wrong though, he'd be a cracking signing imo. Can't see it.
The Guardian, The Mirror and SSN have all mentioned him as part of the deal.
The Sun,The Mail & the Express also,as well as BT News
Perhaps Mr "in the sky" could point us to any section of the media that isn't talking about Ireland?
Perhaps you could point us in the direction of a quote from MON, or Mancini, or anyone involved with either club that mentions Ireland as part of the deal. I'm not saying it won't happen, just that we haven't heard anything from the clubs or people involved.
MON was just on SSN and faced that very question.
He shuffled in his seat and basically said he can't say anything at the moment. Based on his previous track record of dismissing links, it's a close as you're going to get to an admission that we're in for him.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on August 07, 2010, 07:44:34 PM
Murphy and McCarra are the two journalists worth listening/reading to in relation to Villa stories as MON seems to have a friendly relationship with both.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 07:45:50 PM
Quote from: "eamonn"
Murphy and McCarra are the two journalists worth listening/reading to in relation to Villa stories as MON seems to have a friendly relationship with both.
Also Stuart James at the Grauniad has a good track record. MacAskill at the Telegraph means well, but he does fall for official club spin a lot.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 07, 2010, 08:00:08 PM
Quote from: "Risso"
If we get Ireland and one or two other decent players, I'll stick my neck and say we'll nick 4th place this season.
That would depend on a lot of things going our way.
- Citeh and their mercenaries not settling/ underperforming - Tottingham caught up in a busy season and prioritising - Or possibly one of Liverpool/ Arsenal having a 'mare (I wouldn't bet against it all going tits up for Woy up there) - Little/ no injuries for us at crucial times of the year - Ourselves still being relatively fresh going into March
One or two of those scenarios might play out, I can't see them all coming off.
We will be helping ourselves enormously though if we move with the times and continue with 4-4-1-1 as we have been in pre season. And Ireland for Milner in a straight trade will help us in that regard, nevermind the cash adjustment.
If we sign a top class forward though between now and the end of the window (ie not Keane) and a RB worthy of the name, I might start to share your optimism.
Me? I'll be happy with a push for fifth, some big European nights at VP and less game-time for Heskey. But maybe I'm just easily pleased.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Slaphead on August 07, 2010, 08:06:41 PM
Spurs have beat us to any chance of getting in the top 4, the chance is gone and MON failed.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 08:07:58 PM
Quote from: "Slaphead"
Spurs have beat us to any chance of getting in the top 4, the chance is gone and MON failed.
Yes but that season is over, there is a new one starting next week.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on August 07, 2010, 08:08:41 PM
Quote from: "Slaphead"
Spurs have beat us to any chance of getting in the top 4, the chance is gone and MON failed.
You're a joy, aren't ya?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: hollybobble on August 07, 2010, 08:13:57 PM
Quote from: "east19"
Pat murphy on 5 live seems to think Ireland will come as mon likes him very much , he told him so last night in an interview.
i do like pat murphy always have , voice of reason
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 07, 2010, 08:16:54 PM
Quote from: "LeeB"
Quote from: "Slaphead"
Spurs have beat us to any chance of getting in the top 4, the chance is gone and MON failed.
You're a joy, aren't ya?
We should do to him as his user name suggests.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 07, 2010, 08:23:13 PM
Well UEFA have done us a favour really by teaming Spuds up with Young Boys (oo-er). Basically, if they get through, they'll chuck their lot in with the Chumps League and stretch their resources until Christmas. If they don't, it'll knock their confidence that much that their first couple of months will be mediocre in the league. Either way, Villa have to be ready to expect a distracted Spurs.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Le Lapin on August 07, 2010, 08:31:46 PM
Ireland is a strange man, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to come down here. I'd say if Splottinham Hotturd came in for him he'll go dahn to Arry.
If this is true and it happens and Ireland is happy to come it will be a serious coup and you'd have to wonder who is operating the controls up in Citeh. There is no way that Milner is 8 million quid or so better than Ireland. A straight swop would be a more credible outcome.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Holtenderinthesky on August 07, 2010, 09:04:05 PM
Quote from: "Le Lapin"
Ireland is a strange man, I wouldn't be surprised if he didn't want to come down here. I'd say if Splottinham Hotturd came in for him he'll go dahn to Arry.
If this is true and it happens and Ireland is happy to come it will be a serious coup and you'd have to wonder who is operating the controls up in Citeh. There is no way that Milner is 8 million quid or so better than Ireland. A straight swop would be a more credible outcome.
They are allegedly saying that he is worth 18 million or so more than Ireland if we can believe what is being said on here regarding the transfer. He is good but 18 mil AND Ireland. Madness.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 07, 2010, 09:19:04 PM
Has he gone yet?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 09:41:12 PM
Quote from: "villa `cross the mersey"
Has he gone yet?
Not yet. If we are getting Ireland I wish he'd bloody well hurry up.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2010, 09:45:02 PM
Same here Monty, really want this to go through now.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: gervilla on August 07, 2010, 09:49:42 PM
I think there will be a hell of a lot of really pissed off people on here if the Milner deal goes through and it doesn't involve Ireland and a big bag of cash. I wish they would get it done a.s.a.p. Ireland may be as daft as a brush and could go all Collymore on us but he has class and the creativity that we are crying out for.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 07, 2010, 10:04:53 PM
Chelsea £29m plus
Kalou?
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2010, 10:06:15 PM
No thanks, I think Ireland would offer us exactly what we need. But not in a midfield two with Stan, it'd have to be Stan and Reo behind Ireland.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jembob on August 07, 2010, 10:07:31 PM
Quote from: "KevinGage"
Quote from: "Risso"
If we get Ireland and one or two other decent players, I'll stick my neck and say we'll nick 4th place this season.
That would depend on a lot of things going our way.
- Citeh and their mercenaries not settling/ underperforming - Tottingham caught up in a busy season and prioritising - Or possibly one of Liverpool/ Arsenal having a 'mare (I wouldn't bet against it all going tits up for Woy up there) - Little/ no injuries for us at crucial times of the year - Ourselves still being relatively fresh going into March
One or two of those scenarios might play out, I can't see them all coming off.We will be helping ourselves enormously though if we move with the times and continue with 4-4-1-1 as we have been in pre season. And Ireland for Milner in a straight trade will help us in that regard, nevermind the cash adjustment.
If we sign a top class forward though between now and the end of the window (ie not Keane) and a RB worthy of the name, I might start to share your optimism.
Me? I'll be happy with a push for fifth, some big European nights at VP and less game-time for Heskey. But maybe I'm just easily pleased.
Sounds great but you know what's going to happen whoever comes in:
- We'll ALWAYS play 442 and get over run in midfield every game. - Heskey will play a significant part of the season - Cuellar will be default RB - We'll continue to play the long ball up to which ever big guy is playing - Or promising youth players won't get a look in, as the trusted few play match after match - Good, reliable players (NRC, L Young) as sold for a pittance when they still had a vital role to play.
I hate to piss on your chips, but things won't change while MON is around. You can't help but love him though!!!
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 10:11:44 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
No thanks, I think Ireland would offer us exactly what we need. But not in a midfield two with Stan, it'd have to be Stan and Reo behind Ireland.
Judging by MON's comments about "discussing transfer options" with Randy the Milner thing goes through, and if I'm right that we wanted Ireland well before City came in for Milner, I think MON wants to sign another midfielder in addition to Ireland to replace Milner, in which case I hope it's him and Petrov with Ireland, as I'd like to think we can buy better players than NRC these days.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 07, 2010, 10:16:50 PM
I'd like once he gets fit, Delph- Ireland- Petrov/another.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: jembob on August 07, 2010, 10:18:32 PM
Quote from: "PaulWinch"
I'd like once he gets fit, Delph- Ireland- Petrov/another.
I think that Delph, Ireland and Coker would be quite awesome. If we can improve on NRC then great.
Title: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 07, 2010, 10:18:55 PM
I see Delph as the long-term replacement for Petrov, so we need another fairly young midfielder to fill the three.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2010, 01:48:15 AM
If I was a betting man I'd put money on Jenas being the other midfielder.
But I'm not, so I won't.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2010, 01:50:09 AM
Not sure about Jenas. I suppose he'd be our 'upgrade' on Sidwell - like the Ginge Ninj he does nothing, but I suppose he does it in a more stylish way than Sidwell.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 08, 2010, 08:39:58 AM
First post on flash new site. I feel I should take my shoes off or something.
Anyway, Hart is making noises about wanting out if he's not first choice (he should be, he's better than Given). What are the odds of adding him to the cart and checking out?
I know Friedel has done a fine job and I rate Guzan, who'll become a really good keeper. But Hart would solve our first choice keeper issue for a long, long time.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: manic-road on August 08, 2010, 09:29:14 AM
Just seen Mancini on the box intimating that Ireland is part of the deal for Milner, hope so as that would be bloody good business if it happens.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on August 08, 2010, 09:49:29 AM
MANCHESTER CITY expect to complete the signing of James Milner from Aston Villa this week - with or without Stephen Ireland moving in the other direction. The two clubs have been in deadlock for weeks over Milner, but it appears the summer's longest-running transfer saga will end in compromise.
Villa wanted £30million, while City have insisted they won't go higher than £24m.
Villa boss Martin O'Neill is keen on Ireland, but not at any price. City value their former trainee at £20m, but Villa think he is worth only £12m in any exchange deal.
Nor are Villa willing to match Ireland's current deal at Eastlands, which is believed to be worth £60,000 per week plus £10,000 per appearance.
Ireland's chances of earning many appearance bonuses at City in the coming season look slim, and Villa can offer him regular first-team football in return for accepting a drop in wages.
Milner's transfer should kickstart the market after a relatively quiet summer.
O'Neill wants to raid former club Celtic for Aiden McGeady, has shown interest in Tottenham's Robbie Keane and is also keeping a close eye on West Ham's Scott Parker.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2010, 09:56:54 AM
I hope we don't piss about too much over the Ireland deal. Whatever cash we get means that we're getting a great deal, so £10K a week extra wages is only £1.5m over a three year deal.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on August 08, 2010, 10:05:43 AM
agreed mate, however £20m for ireland is a bit mad, £12m + Ireland is good all round, still enough left over for 2 more signings i hope!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 08, 2010, 10:20:40 AM
agreed mate, however £20m for ireland is a bit mad, £12m + Ireland is good all round, still enough left over for 2 more signings i hope!
I wouldn't be happy at that, anything that values Ireland above £10m would be a rip off.
Don't be ridiculous. He's a much better player than Downing, who we spent £12m on.
No, he's not. He might have been once but he's been average for 12 months and reports say that he's not going to be in Mancini's 25. Under those circumstances we'd be mad to let them use him as an excuse to drive down Milner's value.
My concerns about Ireland still remain, when he's on form he's a very talented player but we will need to compensate elsewhere for his style of play and so might need the Milner money to buy somebody to do that.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 08, 2010, 10:51:12 AM
I hope we don't piss about too much over the Ireland deal. Whatever cash we get means that we're getting a great deal, so £10K a week extra wages is only £1.5m over a three year deal.
Yes, no £llis like procrastination please Randy.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 08, 2010, 10:55:34 AM
I think the sundays will be filling column inches and with the 18 and Ireland being fairly widely reported, or 16 and add ons to 20 over the last few days, I would think that part of the deal has been set now. Any stories about the fee only being 10 or 12 million will be to try and sell papers to City fans thinking it is a good deal for them.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 08, 2010, 11:37:03 AM
Stephen Ireland can play a bit.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on August 08, 2010, 12:21:07 PM
First post on flash new site. I feel I should take my shoes off or something.
Anyway, Hart is making noises about wanting out if he's not first choice (he should be, he's better than Given). What are the odds of adding him to the cart and checking out?
I know Friedel has done a fine job and I rate Guzan, who'll become a really good keeper. But Hart would solve our first choice keeper issue for a long, long time.
I've thought this all summer, but I doubt Man City will want to sell hart especially following Given's injury but there are two players vying for one position and when they're goalkeepers one will leave. I haven't been overly impressed with Friedel to be honest he's been 'okay' but nothing better. We should tell Man Cityto hold on to t to the cash and we'll take Ireland and Hart, then ask about Richards are Onou...(?).
Oh and is this the new site or aomething then? I'm rubbish at compuetrs and stuff but little bits don't seem to be working for me. Bits of text disappearing from the box and not been able to find it, and not easy to jump from one forum to another.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on August 08, 2010, 01:13:37 PM
agreed mate, however £20m for ireland is a bit mad, £12m + Ireland is good all round, still enough left over for 2 more signings i hope!
I wouldn't be happy at that, anything that values Ireland above £10m would be a rip off.
Don't be ridiculous. He's a much better player than Downing, who we spent £12m on.
No, he's not. He might have been once but he's been average for 12 months and reports say that he's not going to be in Mancini's 25. Under those circumstances we'd be mad to let them use him as an excuse to drive down Milner's value.
My concerns about Ireland still remain, when he's on form he's a very talented player but we will need to compensate elsewhere for his style of play and so might need the Milner money to buy somebody to do that.
Something is seriously wrong here. Risso is being positive about something MoN is rumoured to be doing, and Chris is being negative about it. Has this new site moved us all into a parallel universe?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 08, 2010, 01:55:21 PM
'Ireland is Superman'.
I don't think I've been this excited about a signing since Laursen. Please let this happen. A man fit to take the number 8.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2010, 02:18:23 PM
I'm disconcerted as well, VS. I can only hope it bodes well, if the two extremes of optimism and pessimism have come closer together. Let's hope it's a good omen for a happy season.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on August 08, 2010, 02:34:37 PM
All we need now is for Risso to admit to being Chris's Father!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 08, 2010, 03:28:53 PM
I'm quite concerned that MON will take the money and sign McGeady for whatever and sit n the rest.
How feckin disappointing would that be ?
That's how little I trust MON in his transfer dealings.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: exigo on August 08, 2010, 04:06:11 PM
So, has the ugly, plodding, narcissistic, over-rated, over-priced, one-dimensional, lying, sluggish, disloyal, two-faced, boring, carpet-bagging, soulless, snake-oiled cretin gone yet?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BILL DE VALL on August 08, 2010, 05:04:08 PM
The only thing that worries me about Ireland (the player not the country) is that he's completely Radio Rental. I believe he retired from international football because the other players took the piss out of his "hair". and as we all know a dressing room is the ultimate piss take enviroment.
any thoughts on how he may fit in gentlemen?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2010, 05:08:36 PM
He'll be fine, he is exactly what we need.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BoredNow on August 08, 2010, 05:38:08 PM
If we get Ireland plus the money being talked about this will be an excellent deal for us.
Milner is dynamic but doesn't necessarily change a game. Ireland can...if he can get his head right. Hope this is done by midweek at the latest.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2010, 06:24:04 PM
The only thing that worries me about Ireland (the player not the country) is that he's completely Radio Rental. I believe he retired from international football because the other players took the piss out of his "hair". and as we all know a dressing room is the ultimate piss take enviroment.
any thoughts on how he may fit in gentlemen?
I heard that the hair related piss take for Ireland wasn't just verbals, there was some really unpleasant stuff going on.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BILL DE VALL on August 08, 2010, 06:35:35 PM
I heard that the hair related piss take for Ireland w :o :oasn't just verbals, there was some really unpleasant stuff going on. [/quote]
such as?-pray do tell
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 08, 2010, 06:45:51 PM
The only thing that worries me about Ireland (the player not the country) is that he's completely Radio Rental. I believe he retired from international football because the other players took the piss out of his "hair". and as we all know a dressing room is the ultimate piss take enviroment.
any thoughts on how he may fit in gentlemen?
I heard that the hair related piss take for Ireland wasn't just verbals, there was some really unpleasant stuff going on.
Now I might be wrong but didn't they try to flush his head down the toilet or try and pull his wig off or something like that? I've forgotten the exact details.
And didn't Staunton who was ROI manager at the time know and allow it to happen?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: themossman on August 08, 2010, 07:01:45 PM
I'm not fussed if he's mad either. All the best footballers are. And we've got plenty of honest workmanlike players who would never get in the papers, so one total tool won't hurt as long as he can do it on the pitch.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villafirst on August 08, 2010, 07:28:07 PM
I think it'll be good business to get Ireland for about £8M. We should play hard ball and include Wright-Phillips as well for about £10M leaving money to get Robbie Keane. If they want Milner that badly we should surely dictate who comes in the opposite direction?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 08, 2010, 07:33:10 PM
I think it'll be good business to get Ireland for about £8M. We should play hard ball and include Wright-Phillips as well for about £10M leaving money to get Robbie Keane. If they want Milner that badly we should surely dictate who comes in the opposite direction?
I think enough hardball has been played. We need to get this done quickly and concentrate on the future. This looks to have happened.
Is £16.5m + Ireland not hardball enough??!!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2010, 07:35:24 PM
I think it'll be good business to get Ireland for about £8M. We should play hard ball and include Wright-Phillips as well for about £10M leaving money to get Robbie Keane. If they want Milner that badly we should surely dictate who comes in the opposite direction?
I strong disagree Ireland plus £18-20 million is a much better deal than any involving Wright-Phillips.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villafirst on August 08, 2010, 07:39:10 PM
I think it'll be good business to get Ireland for about £8M. We should play hard ball and include Wright-Phillips as well for about £10M leaving money to get Robbie Keane. If they want Milner that badly we should surely dictate who comes in the opposite direction?
I strong disagree Ireland plus £18-20 million is a much better deal than any involving Wright-Phillips.
So Ashley Young on the left and SWP on the right wing is no good then?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 08, 2010, 07:41:15 PM
I think it'll be good business to get Ireland for about £8M. We should play hard ball and include Wright-Phillips as well for about £10M leaving money to get Robbie Keane. If they want Milner that badly we should surely dictate who comes in the opposite direction?
Not in my opinion, I don't rate Wright-Phillips at all, I'd rather give Albrigton a go. I rate Downing over Wright-Phillips aswell. He's not needed.
I strong disagree Ireland plus £18-20 million is a much better deal than any involving Wright-Phillips.
So Ashley Young on the left and SWP on the right wing is no good then?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Irreverent ad on August 08, 2010, 07:48:24 PM
Wright-Phillips is a poor player. No end product at all.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave on August 08, 2010, 08:00:33 PM
I think it'll be good business to get Ireland for about £8M. We should play hard ball and include Wright-Phillips as well for about £10M leaving money to get Robbie Keane. If they want Milner that badly we should surely dictate who comes in the opposite direction?
Not in my opinion, I don't rate Wright-Phillips at all, I'd rather give Albrigton a go. I rate Downing over Wright-Phillips aswell. He's not needed.
I strong disagree Ireland plus £18-20 million is a much better deal than any involving Wright-Phillips.
So Ashley Young on the left and SWP on the right wing is no good then?
Ashley Young on the left and Marc Albrighton on the right would be even better and we don't need to pay anything for that.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: D.boy on August 08, 2010, 08:03:20 PM
I agree with Dave. SWP is vastly overrated except when he plays against us.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BILL DE VALL on August 08, 2010, 08:13:41 PM
i don't think we really need another winger-what we need in my opinion is a central midfielder who can operate with/replace Petrov one that COULD tackle his nan in a cupboard/head the ball/pass it FORWARD
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: peter w on August 08, 2010, 08:39:21 PM
Wright-Phillips is a poor player. No end product at all.
Against us his end product tends to end up in the back of the net.
Marc Albrighton is indeed a fine prospect, but maybe only for 10-15 games. SWP would be great for us with that bit more experience and he's certainly lightning quick. We will need to bolster the squad after MON has cut it to the bone again - only one left back with Shorey on his way and Freddie Bouma released!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villafirst on August 08, 2010, 08:47:58 PM
So Ashley Young on the left and SWP on the right wing is no good then?
Pretty much, yeah.
So Ashley Young is no good then according to you?
I'm going to guess he means SWP is no good. An opinion I'd strongly agree with. In fact I'm struggling right now to think of a worse winger in the Premiership than SWP.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 08, 2010, 09:08:31 PM
SWP is not a good football player. There's no point in dribbling past everybody if you just smack it into the crowd and fall over afterwards. A square pass on the half way line is preferable to knowing that the other option is the best possible scenario.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 08, 2010, 10:02:16 PM
Shaun Wright-Phillips is to wingers what Heskey is to being a forward.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 08, 2010, 10:17:54 PM
Not a fan of SWP never have been, No end product, really don't see the point in another winger whatsoever
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2010, 11:21:05 PM
Shaun Wright-Phillips is to wingers what Heskey is to being a forward.
yet there were a lot of people who spit blood when we signed Milner over him. I know MON hasn't always been in his element when conducting transfers, but we should thank our lucky stars he didn't take some of the expert advice on this board at the time.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 08, 2010, 11:26:20 PM
Shaun Wright-Phillips is to wingers what Heskey is to being a forward.
yet there were a lot of people who spit blood when we signed Milner over him. I know MON hasn't always been in his element when conducting transfers, but we should thank our lucky stars he didn't take some of the expert advice on this board at the time.
Were there?
I genuinely thought Milner's signing was universally lauded. Maybe not the price, but there seemed to be approval over the choice of player.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2010, 11:30:46 PM
Shaun Wright-Phillips is to wingers what Heskey is to being a forward.
yet there were a lot of people who spit blood when we signed Milner over him. I know MON hasn't always been in his element when conducting transfers, but we should thank our lucky stars he didn't take some of the expert advice on this board at the time.
Were there?
I genuinely thought Milner's signing was universally lauded. Maybe not the price, but there seemed to be approval over the choice of player.
I'm pretty sure there were plenty of people saying SWP would have been the better buy at the time. Milner was held in high regard, but SWP was seen by some as the more glamorous buy. Add to that SWP started like a house on fire in his 2nd spell at City, and Milner took a lot longer to get going especially as he really is an average wide player at best. I think once he moved to the middle we all started to realize that we got the better deal by a long way. It coincided with SWP's club form dipping sharply despite him being picked for England on a regular basis.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 08, 2010, 11:38:41 PM
No no, please God of Transfers, Not F in Shaun F in Wright - F in -Phillips >:(
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 08, 2010, 11:48:49 PM
Shaun Wright-Phillips is to wingers what Heskey is to being a forward.
yet there were a lot of people who spit blood when we signed Milner over him. I know MON hasn't always been in his element when conducting transfers, but we should thank our lucky stars he didn't take some of the expert advice on this board at the time.
Were there?
I genuinely thought Milner's signing was universally lauded. Maybe not the price, but there seemed to be approval over the choice of player.
That was my recollection too.
SWP was being touted in 2007, but in 2008 -when we were being linked with Bentley, Milner and SWP- Jimmy topped the polls round here.
A sense that he was 'coming home' and all that jazz.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: wozwebs on August 08, 2010, 11:56:54 PM
Man United in late bid for Milner?
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Manchester United are planning on a last gasp late bid to snatch Aston Villa midfielder James Milner from underneath the noses of their neighbours Manchester City. Roberto Mancini has been attempting to lure the England international from Villa Park for some time now but Martin O’Neill has held firm on his valuation of the former Leeds and Newcastle United man and now Sir Alex Ferguson is set to make a significant bid to sign the talented 24 year old.
Ferguson is looking to bolster his midfield and is known to be a big admirer of the adaptable Aston Villa man and sees him as an ideal player to place in the centre of his midfield, a position that Milner has excelled in. He can also operate very effectively when played out wide and today O’Neill admitted he is resigned to losing his services some time before the new season kicks off.
A move for Milner would cost in the region of £32m and whilst the Old Trafford club are heavily in debt the club’s Chief Executive has stated that Sir Alex Ferguson will be given funds for new signings.
Man United have been fairly muted in the transfer market so far this summer having brought in Chris Smalling and Mexican striker Javier Hernandez so Sir Alex may well be interested in further strengthening their squad ahead of the new season as they look to overhaul Chelsea for the Premier League title.
James Milner appears to have made it clear that he wishes to leave Aston Villa as he feels that the midlands side can not fulfil his ambitions and whilst a move to Eastlands may well help improve his chances of securing Champions League football but surely a move to Old Trafford would prove even more tempting?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 08, 2010, 11:58:17 PM
Once upon a time, SWP would have made a good target for us. Now is not that time. Unless he'd be prepared to be 4th choice behind Downing, Young and Albrighton and he wouldn't so its best left alone. He's not terrible or useless but we can do better, so MON, please do not try and polish that particular turd.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 08, 2010, 11:59:30 PM
Manchester United are planning on a last gasp late bid to snatch Aston Villa midfielder James Milner from underneath the noses of their neighbours Manchester City. Roberto Mancini has been attempting to lure the England international from Villa Park for some time now but Martin O’Neill has held firm on his valuation of the former Leeds and Newcastle United man and now Sir Alex Ferguson is set to make a significant bid to sign the talented 24 year old.
Ferguson is looking to bolster his midfield and is known to be a big admirer of the adaptable Aston Villa man and sees him as an ideal player to place in the centre of his midfield, a position that Milner has excelled in. He can also operate very effectively when played out wide and today O’Neill admitted he is resigned to losing his services some time before the new season kicks off.
A move for Milner would cost in the region of £32m and whilst the Old Trafford club are heavily in debt the club’s Chief Executive has stated that Sir Alex Ferguson will be given funds for new signings.
Man United have been fairly muted in the transfer market so far this summer having brought in Chris Smalling and Mexican striker Javier Hernandez so Sir Alex may well be interested in further strengthening their squad ahead of the new season as they look to overhaul Chelsea for the Premier League title.
James Milner appears to have made it clear that he wishes to leave Aston Villa as he feels that the midlands side can not fulfil his ambitions and whilst a move to Eastlands may well help improve his chances of securing Champions League football but surely a move to Old Trafford would prove even more tempting?
I think Ferguson is both smarter than that and doesn't have the cash, or willingness to spend that much on Milner. I'm sure this deal is all but done and dusted and the papers are just trying to drum a bit of interest for the next 4 days.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2010, 12:01:36 AM
Dear God that would be hilarious, if Milner went to Man Utd. After all that with City.
Mind you, I don't really care where he goes as long as we get Ireland.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on August 09, 2010, 12:12:01 AM
I heard that the hair related piss take for Ireland w :o :oasn't just verbals, there was some really unpleasant stuff going on.
His new club-mates Dicky Dunne and Robbie Keane sticking his toupeed-bonce down the lavvy or summat.
such as?-pray do tell [/quote]
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: KevinGage on August 09, 2010, 12:16:52 AM
Heard it was Stephen Hunt and Steven Reid, with others looking on and laughing. Dunno how accurate that was, mind.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 09, 2010, 12:21:41 AM
In regard to the 'Caught Offside' piece, has Milner actually stated that Villa can't fulfill his ambitions? I was under the impression that it was all about cash.
Oh, and I was so hoping to jump on-line this morning to see the deal was done. How disappointing.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa for life on August 09, 2010, 01:16:49 AM
Well...as long as we don't get Owen in some kind of deal...I have a feeling he's not going to make their "25" and will be on his way in the next few weeks.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 09, 2010, 01:29:56 AM
In regard to the 'Caught Offside' piece, has Milner actually stated that Villa can't fulfill his ambitions? I was under the impression that it was all about cash.
Oh, and I was so hoping to jump on-line this morning to see the deal was done. How disappointing.
I don't think Milner has said a single public word about it at any stage.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 09, 2010, 08:15:22 AM
No and he's not likely to until its all done and dusted and probably not too much then. He's an ugly, predictably greedy and disappointing twat but he's professional. Nobody can deny that.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 09, 2010, 09:21:41 AM
I would much prefer Milner to go to Manchester United, but obviously that means possibly losing out on Ireland.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 09, 2010, 09:33:44 AM
nothing will happen till thursday because of internationals now.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 09, 2010, 09:35:22 AM
If he's off then I really don't care where he goes other than to say we should sell him to the highest bidder. So with that in mind I'd rather he go to Man City.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 09, 2010, 09:59:06 AM
I would much prefer Milner to go to Manchester United, but obviously that means possibly losing out on Ireland.
I don't care where he goes as long as he fails miserably.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: villa `cross the mersey on August 09, 2010, 10:03:03 AM
It would be so ironic if he took Barry`s place in the starting line up.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Harte on August 09, 2010, 10:16:26 AM
I'm one of these who doesn't care whether Milner stays or goes now. While I doubt the validity of the story on the Caught Offside website I'd find it funny if United did come in and Milner decided to go there instead of City.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 09, 2010, 10:23:45 AM
Were the Man Utd story true, which I doubt, what players would we realistically be looking for in part exchange from them? I sorta like Carrick, but think he's probably too similar to Petrov, and I also rate Valencia. In fairness we'd probably be better just taking the money from them!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2010, 10:42:46 AM
I also like Carrick, but he is very similar to Petrov (Petrov is in some ways better, especially one-on-one and defensively, but doesn't have the range of passing). Read a great article about why this generation of midfielders like Carrick, Denilson, Busquets etc are so important, and they are all really good players.
The common criticisms of them tend to be things like "they only pass sideways" or "they're too slow" or "they don't put in enough big tackles" (sound familiar, any of these?). But the fact is that these players do a large number of small but really important jobs, like making interceptions (far more important than tackling, and far better for starting quick attacks), keeping possession in tight areas, making small but important angles which just open up the attack that little bit more. Petrov does this for us, and in a three in the midfield he'd be even better.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 09, 2010, 10:43:39 AM
I was surprised that Man U didn't go in for Milner anyway, He is up thei alley. They need a replacement for Scholes also
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Countryside Villain on August 09, 2010, 10:49:41 AM
When you read that Man Utd are also interested in Ozil who may be available for around £15 million, you can see why Milner might not be top of their list.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 09, 2010, 11:26:07 AM
When you read that Man Utd are also interested in Ozil who may be available for around £15 million, you can see why Milner might not be top of their list.
And Man U can afford to take him and still not worry about the 25 man/home grown rule, which City can't.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Comrade Blitz on August 09, 2010, 11:57:14 AM
So Ashley Young on the left and SWP on the right wing is no good then?
Is this the Milner thread or the Politics thread? and why is the Socialist Workers' Party on the right?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: DB on August 09, 2010, 12:02:35 PM
Footballers or agents treat clubs like a job or a business, soon as a better job offer comes with more money, they are off. Days have gone for me of singing a players name before a match, don't get too attached. As long as we can take Citeh for a smuch as we can we can replace him with a few players who can offer more (just like we did with Platt.), I'm not gonna cry when he goes.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: JUAN PABLO on August 09, 2010, 12:45:39 PM
As Siralex is mates with MON and not keen on shitty of course, he might have said He wanted Milner , to help villa get a better deal off Shitty and take the piss out of Shitty more. would be nice If that happened.
On Milner , It was cash thats why he wanted to move...
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2010, 12:46:49 PM
As Siralex is mates with MON and not keen on shitty of course, he might have said He wanted Milner , to help villa get a better deal off Shitty and take the piss out of Shitty more. would be nice If that happened.
Not sure if that's really likely to happen in professional football - but like you say, would be funny if it were happening!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: xbiggy on August 09, 2010, 01:07:11 PM
Its a long shot I know but wouldnt it be nice if we could splash the cash on the German Ozil if we dont get Ireland. All in all we just need this over and done with now as it is starting to drag on far too long.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2010, 01:09:00 PM
Its a long shot I know but wouldnt it be nice if we could splash the cash on the German Ozil if we dont get Ireland. All in all we just need this over and done with now as it is starting to drag on far too long.
I'm sure we could afford him, he has only a year left on his contract so if he goes will only go for £12-16m. However, not only can we afford him; Man Utd, Bayern, Inter, Real, City, Juve - they can all afford him as well.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: xbiggy on August 09, 2010, 01:12:42 PM
He did say he would like to move to the Prem but could we really be a tempting proposition for him.......
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2010, 01:14:56 PM
That's the problem. Besides, he said he didn't want to leave this year, wants to honour his contract with Werder. Which is code for running it down so he can leave to go anywhere without Werder's interference, but hey, we can't complain about "contracts meaning nothing" and then about running down contracts as well.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: xbiggy on August 09, 2010, 01:22:03 PM
If Werder got a decent offer for him bearing in mind he only has a year left would he be given the option by them to run it down or would they not just ship him out......Any how its just a pipe dream really but it would be nice to think we could tempt him some how. This day and age all a contract really means is that the club can get a better fee if the player wants to go depending on how many years of the contract are left.......
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 09, 2010, 01:26:38 PM
The player holds the cards, of course, and if he really doesn't want to go or doesn't want to go to the club Werder reach an agreement with, it seems he's more than happy to wait a year and negotiate completely freely next summer. He is very young, remember, and has all the time in the world on his side.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 09, 2010, 01:41:10 PM
It would be so ironic if he took Barry`s place in the starting line up.
Yes and then in a year Delph went and took his place.
I've said this before but if it doesn't work out for him there or if they god help us all actually win something or qualify for the CL he'll be on the bench or the transfer list.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 09, 2010, 02:15:06 PM
It just needs getting put to bed now. Let everyone get on with the new season.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dick Edwards on August 09, 2010, 03:31:23 PM
Milner is a good player but hardly irreplaceable. If we get £15m in addition to Ireland that's exceptional businesss. Football is very fickle. As little as 18 months ago we'd have had to give Man City Milner plus that same amount of cash to get Ireland, such was the form of the same two players.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on August 12, 2010, 11:50:48 AM
So....errrr..... why is this deal going through whilst we have no manager?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 12, 2010, 11:52:20 AM
If Milner for Ireland plus a bucket load of cash was a good deal last week then it's still a good deal now. Manager or not.
Yep, although I still have the same concerns of how we're going to play him. Ireland is a straight 442 would, in my opinion, be a disaster.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 12, 2010, 12:36:02 PM
A disaster???
Why?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 12, 2010, 12:47:46 PM
You would need a more specialist holding player behind him in a 4-4-2 and I don't think Petrov has the engine to do that, but NRC circa 07/08 would.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 12, 2010, 12:53:21 PM
I wish this deal would be finalised it's all getting rather tedious now.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 12, 2010, 12:53:34 PM
Ireland had is best season for City as a player who would break into the box and score goals, I grant you that.
But from what I have seen he is well able to play as part of 2 man midfield. Does his share of work when needed.
But I agree, to get the best out of him would be to play him as part of a 3...perhaps with Petrov and NRC behind him.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: citygirl on August 12, 2010, 01:14:17 PM
Hope you don't mind me butting in but for me, Stevie needs to be played in a 4-3-3 or ideally a 4-5-1. In a 4-4-2 he's too restricted. He needs the freedom to roam which one or two more defensively minded players behind him would allow. He can track back and he can tackle but that's not his strengths. His Strengths IMO are just what jonzy85 says, making late runs into the box and scoring goals from there. He isn't one for defence splittling passes, he's usually the one on the end of a defence splitting pass. His anticipatation and movement are excellent.
He had his best season when Elano and Robhino were in the team. Him and Rhohino especailly had a certain something...they played off each other and it was a pleasure to watch.
Last year he had a 'mare...terrible. I think there were lots of reason though, not least Carlos Tevez!! I do however think you will be getting a real star. Sorry to see him go..take care of him!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 12, 2010, 01:17:47 PM
Hope you don't mind me butting in but for me, Stevie needs to be played in a 4-3-3 or ideally a 4-5-1. In a 4-4-2 he's too restricted. He needs the freedom to roam which one or two more defensively minded players behind him would allow. He can track back and he can tackle but that's not his strengths. His Strengths IMO are just what jonzy85 says, making late runs into the box and scoring goals from there. He isn't one for defence splittling passes, he's usually the one on the end of a defence splitting pass. His anticipatation and movement are excellent.
He had his best season when Elano and Robhino were in the team. Him and Rhohino especailly had a certain something...they played off each other and it was a pleasure to watch.
Last year he had a 'mare...terrible. I think there were lots of reason though, not least Carlos Tevez!! I do however think you will be getting a real star. Sorry to see him go..take care of him!
Thanks, nice to hear and that's more or less how I see him.
Quick question, is he really as loopy as he appears from the outside?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on August 12, 2010, 01:24:28 PM
Hope you don't mind me butting in but for me, Stevie needs to be played in a 4-3-3 or ideally a 4-5-1. In a 4-4-2 he's too restricted. He needs the freedom to roam which one or two more defensively minded players behind him would allow. He can track back and he can tackle but that's not his strengths. His Strengths IMO are just what jonzy85 says, making late runs into the box and scoring goals from there. He isn't one for defence splittling passes, he's usually the one on the end of a defence splitting pass. His anticipatation and movement are excellent.
He had his best season when Elano and Robhino were in the team. Him and Rhohino especailly had a certain something...they played off each other and it was a pleasure to watch.
Last year he had a 'mare...terrible. I think there were lots of reason though, not least Carlos Tevez!! I do however think you will be getting a real star. Sorry to see him go..take care of him!
Thanks for that love, now pop a skirt on and make us a cup of tea, there's a good girl.
Now as for Ireland, I reckon he'd be too restricted in a 4-4-2, ideally he'd play in a 4-4-3 or a 4-5-1. We'd need to utilise his strengths, which I believe are his ability to arrive late in too the box..............etc.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on August 12, 2010, 01:27:55 PM
Just thought that any incoming manager might want our best player? who is contracted to us?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 12, 2010, 01:28:50 PM
Ashley Young will still be here.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PeterWithe on August 12, 2010, 01:29:30 PM
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 12, 2010, 02:03:08 PM
Ireland most certainly can play defence splitting passes, much like Ash can. The thing is that neither of them were ever really asked to (I watched a lot of City that season, mostly for Robinho, and you could tell that Ireland had been told to make a lot of runs forward). However, I have no doubt that they can link up well along with the rest of the team in a new, much more fluid formation - like a 4-3-3 - where they aren't playing second fiddle to anyone, and show their true ability.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 12, 2010, 02:09:52 PM
Hope you don't mind me butting in but for me, Stevie needs to be played in a 4-3-3 or ideally a 4-5-1. In a 4-4-2 he's too restricted. He needs the freedom to roam which one or two more defensively minded players behind him would allow. He can track back and he can tackle but that's not his strengths. His Strengths IMO are just what jonzy85 says, making late runs into the box and scoring goals from there. He isn't one for defence splittling passes, he's usually the one on the end of a defence splitting pass. His anticipatation and movement are excellent.
He had his best season when Elano and Robhino were in the team. Him and Rhohino especailly had a certain something...they played off each other and it was a pleasure to watch.
Last year he had a 'mare...terrible. I think there were lots of reason though, not least Carlos Tevez!! I do however think you will be getting a real star. Sorry to see him go..take care of him!
Thanks for that love, now pop a skirt on and make us a cup of tea, there's a good girl.
Now as for Ireland, I reckon he'd be too restricted in a 4-4-2, ideally he'd play in a 4-4-3 or a 4-5-1. We'd need to utilise his strengths, which I believe are his ability to arrive late in too the box..............etc.
Thanks for that LeeB, wise words.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on August 12, 2010, 02:10:31 PM
Hope you don't mind me butting in but for me, Stevie needs to be played in a 4-3-3 or ideally a 4-5-1. In a 4-4-2 he's too restricted. He needs the freedom to roam which one or two more defensively minded players behind him would allow. He can track back and he can tackle but that's not his strengths. His Strengths IMO are just what jonzy85 says, making late runs into the box and scoring goals from there. He isn't one for defence splittling passes, he's usually the one on the end of a defence splitting pass. His anticipatation and movement are excellent.
He had his best season when Elano and Robhino were in the team. Him and Rhohino especailly had a certain something...they played off each other and it was a pleasure to watch.
Last year he had a 'mare...terrible. I think there were lots of reason though, not least Carlos Tevez!! I do however think you will be getting a real star. Sorry to see him go..take care of him!
Thanks, nice to hear and that's more or less how I see him.
Quick question, is he really as loopy as he appears from the outside?
Some say he is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic but I can't comment on that as I have no evidence.
Lee B, dear oh dear..
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 12, 2010, 02:21:43 PM
He isn't one for defence splittling passes, he's usually the one on the end of a defence splitting pass.
Is that right, I always had him down as a playmaker, a type of Lee Hendrie Vanden Plas.
He's more of a Steve Sidwell Ghia.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 12, 2010, 02:25:26 PM
Lee Hendrie Vanden Plas?
Christ this is even more tasteless than Ireland's Range Rover. (http://www.motorbase.com/pictures/contributions/20000428/std_1977_Vanden_Plas_1500_England.jpg)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BILL DE VALL on August 12, 2010, 02:28:26 PM
He's more of a Steve Sidwell Ghia. [/quote]
No Maz he had the removable hard top but it failed the 'Irish deluge test'
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 12, 2010, 02:44:27 PM
HMS Astute couldn't pass an Irish deluge test.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on August 12, 2010, 02:54:18 PM
Hope you don't mind me butting in but for me, Stevie needs to be played in a 4-3-3 or ideally a 4-5-1. In a 4-4-2 he's too restricted. He needs the freedom to roam which one or two more defensively minded players behind him would allow. He can track back and he can tackle but that's not his strengths. His Strengths IMO are just what jonzy85 says, making late runs into the box and scoring goals from there. He isn't one for defence splittling passes, he's usually the one on the end of a defence splitting pass. His anticipatation and movement are excellent.
He had his best season when Elano and Robhino were in the team. Him and Rhohino especailly had a certain something...they played off each other and it was a pleasure to watch.
Last year he had a 'mare...terrible. I think there were lots of reason though, not least Carlos Tevez!! I do however think you will be getting a real star. Sorry to see him go..take care of him!
Thanks, nice to hear and that's more or less how I see him.
Quick question, is he really as loopy as he appears from the outside?
Some say he is a couple of sandwiches short of a picnic but I can't comment on that as I have no evidence.
Lee B, dear oh dear..
What's up love? Missed a stitch? ;)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on August 12, 2010, 03:01:38 PM
Christ this is even more tasteless than Ireland's Range Rover. (http://www.motorbase.com/pictures/contributions/20000428/std_1977_Vanden_Plas_1500_England.jpg)
My sister had one of those, she drove it back from the shops with the handbrake on the once, it didn't noticably affect the performance. There was a story told years ago that when BL unveiled it at some European motor show, the head designer at Pinifarina took one look and said 'My God, does it look like that from the other side as well?'
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaZogmariner on August 12, 2010, 03:20:59 PM
Christ this is even more tasteless than Ireland's Range Rover. (http://www.motorbase.com/pictures/contributions/20000428/std_1977_Vanden_Plas_1500_England.jpg)
They are still the rage over in New Zealand!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 12, 2010, 05:14:35 PM
Christ this is even more tasteless than Ireland's Range Rover. (http://www.motorbase.com/pictures/contributions/20000428/std_1977_Vanden_Plas_1500_England.jpg)
They are still the rage over in New Zealand!
Where sheep are sheep;-)
Has Jimmy boy gone onto a better life yet ?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 12, 2010, 05:48:46 PM
Has he f*cked off yet so that we can close this thread?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on August 12, 2010, 07:37:27 PM
Did we ever get to the bottom of his hideous goal celebration when he scored the penalty at Wembley?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: brian green on August 12, 2010, 07:49:14 PM
Before the picture of that lovely motor sinks beneath the waves I bet you did not know that Princess Grace of Monaco had one of those. Legend has it that she never drove it because she much preferred the 3 Litre Rover in which she unexpectedly drove off the Corniche to her doom. Such was the strength of that Midlands Masterpiece that the coroner stated that she must have died prior to going through the armco because the car hit the bottom of the cliffs with hardly a dent in it. Just a legend. Birmingham cars. Those were the days.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 12, 2010, 08:16:09 PM
According to wm the milner deal is on ice now - some kind of problem.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rob Gee on August 12, 2010, 09:14:42 PM
According to SSN Ireland wants a £2m pay off from Man City which is what's held everything up.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TopDeck113 on August 12, 2010, 09:17:46 PM
I'd worry about a player whose biggest concern is the pay-off from his current club rather than knowing who the manager is going to be at his prospective new employer.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 12, 2010, 09:20:01 PM
I think it's fair enough he wants a pay off, just cough up Citeh money doesn't matter to you.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 12, 2010, 09:21:25 PM
Before the picture of that lovely motor sinks beneath the waves I bet you did not know that Princess Grace of Monaco had one of those. Legend has it that she never drove it because she much preferred the 3 Litre Rover in which she unexpectedly drove off the Corniche to her doom. Such was the strength of that Midlands Masterpiece that the coroner stated that she must have died prior to going through the armco because the car hit the bottom of the cliffs with hardly a dent in it. Just a legend. Birmingham cars. Those were the days.
I remember the joke from that time.
Q: What's the difference between Princess Grace and Gordon Cowans?
A: Gordon Cowans can take corners.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 12, 2010, 10:09:57 PM
I've just been told that R5 are reporting that the deal is off due to a hitch at the City end. Didn't hear it myself so cannot confirm.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 12, 2010, 10:11:25 PM
I've just been told that R5 are reporting that the deal is off due to a hitch at the City end. Didn't hear it myself so cannot confirm.
Far from it, far from it. They're reporting it's delayed due to the aforementioned payment that Ireland's demanding, but that it really should be resolved in good time.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Smith on August 12, 2010, 10:15:30 PM
I've just been told that R5 are reporting that the deal is off due to a hitch at the City end. Didn't hear it myself so cannot confirm.
Far from it, far from it. They're reporting it's delayed due to the aforementioned payment that Ireland's demanding, but that it really should be resolved in good time.
Women!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 12, 2010, 10:16:15 PM
I've just been told that R5 are reporting that the deal is off due to a hitch at the City end. Didn't hear it myself so cannot confirm.
Far from it, far from it. They're reporting it's delayed due to the aforementioned payment that Ireland's demanding, but that it really should be resolved in good time.
Women!
Where?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 12, 2010, 10:16:44 PM
It's all part of Garry Cooke's empty posturing. Doesn't want to be seen "being taken advantage of". Bit too late for that you complete and utter moron.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveD on August 13, 2010, 01:15:47 AM
Pat Murphy had a report that Ireland wants a £2m sweetener, which Citeh won't pay and it's held up the deal. Seems to think it will happen, eventually. Villa sticking to £18m + the man. Milner could still be ours on Saturday though....
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 13, 2010, 01:27:28 AM
Nah, I'm sure it will all go through tomorrow. That Cock-wrangler Gary Cook just cant help himeslf. He has to throw his spanner in somewhere. I hope somebody drops an ACME 16 ton weight on his head.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on August 13, 2010, 07:17:31 AM
It will be comically ironic if the wage demands of one greedy fucker scuppers the move for another greedy fucker. They are all as bad as each other.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 13, 2010, 07:46:43 AM
It will be comically ironic if the wage demands of one greedy fucker scuppers the move for another greedy fucker. They are all as bad as each other.
i would if i was ireland, he has been turfed out of man city and he has done nothing wrong !!! yes im glad he may be coming to us, but if u worked for someone who had billions and was tufing you out, what would you do ?????????
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nev on August 13, 2010, 07:51:29 AM
It will be comically ironic if the wage demands of one greedy fucker scuppers the move for another greedy fucker. They are all as bad as each other.
i would if i was ireland, he has been turfed out of man city and he has done nothing wrong !!! yes im glad he may be coming to us, but if u worked for someone who had billions and was tufing you out, what would you do ?????????
It will be comically ironic if the wage demands of one greedy fucker scuppers the move for another greedy fucker. They are all as bad as each other.
i would if i was ireland, he has been turfed out of man city and he has done nothing wrong !!! yes im glad he may be coming to us, but if u worked for someone who had billions and was tufing you out, what would you do ?????????
Yes, I must admit he's just the sort of player that I would want gracing the Villa Park turf. And I'm certain he will approach his role as a Villa man with dignity and maturity.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 13, 2010, 07:57:02 AM
He's fully entitled to the money as he hasn't asked for a move. It's not as if they're short of cash, it's only about 2 months wages for Yaya Toure apparently.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Nev on August 13, 2010, 08:08:15 AM
If he was entitled to the money, City would have to pay and there would be no argument. He isn't so City are refusing to pay what has been described as a "loyalty" bonus. It may be a drop in the ocean for City, but fast forward a couple of years and we want to get rid.
I wouldn't touch him with a fuckin' barge pole.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: andyh on August 13, 2010, 08:10:54 AM
my point is that neither of them of looking like they are putting their football needs/careers first. They are both looking like money grabbing, mercenary bastards. I don't doubt that they feel 'entitled' but, £2 million here, £4 million there, neither talking about winning trophies, representing great footballing teams etc. If the moves go ahead, no doubt they will pledge undying love when they do their respective press conferences. Footballers ?........meh !!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 13, 2010, 08:11:28 AM
are you stoopid? he is only doing this because they have billions !!!! everyone apart from you fella can see this !!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 13, 2010, 08:14:24 AM
Fair play to Ireland, fleece the bastards Superman :-)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 13, 2010, 08:18:56 AM
Fair play to Ireland, fleece the bastsrds Superman :-)
LOVE IT !!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: hackneyvillain on August 13, 2010, 08:52:00 AM
I don't have a problem with him trying to get a 2m payoff from City at all, in fact I kind of like it.
I'm also coming round to the fact that selling Milner for 18m and ireland, might be a very shrewd bit of business indeed. If he comes here and makes anything like the impact that Dunne did, we cold be looking back at this at the end of the season and laughing at the whole thing.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 13, 2010, 08:56:14 AM
If we get Ireland he'll be going straight in my Fantasy Football team.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bent Neilsens Screamer on August 13, 2010, 09:04:36 AM
If we get Ireland he'll be going straight in my Fantasy Football team.
He's already in mine. This move will happen.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2010, 09:08:17 AM
Ireland is absolutely correct in sticking out for 2 million. This is a business deal built on greed. Shitty are greedy to sign up any one decent but want to turf out Ireland as part of the deal. Villa are sticking out for about 28 million (18+ireland) Ireland has NOT asked to move. This is being done to him and we are NOT going tp pay him the same wages as Shitty. He is right to want that pot before he moves.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on August 13, 2010, 09:25:12 AM
I wonder if people would feel the same if it turned out that's why Luke Young's move to Liverpool fell through or if Heskey or Beye held out for a similar sum before agreeing to move?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 13, 2010, 09:26:00 AM
If he was entitled to the money, City would have to pay and there would be no argument. He isn't so City are refusing to pay what has been described as a "loyalty" bonus. It may be a drop in the ocean for City, but fast forward a couple of years and we want to get rid.
I wouldn't touch him with a fuckin' barge pole.
Hang on a sec. He's been at Man City since he was 15 or something like that. So that's 9 years. He's not asked to move but actually wants to stay and fight for a place. Man City are telling him to do one.
I think he's well within his rights to ask for a loyalty bonus (note the lack of inverted commas). Trading players at massively inflated prices is a double edged sword. They have to expect to get sliced open once in a while.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2010, 09:28:22 AM
I wonder if people would feel the same if it turned out that's why Luke Young's move to Liverpool fell through or if Heskey or Beye held out for a similar sum before agreeing to move?
No, they'd just blame martin O'Neill for signing them.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 13, 2010, 09:30:12 AM
I wonder if people would feel the same if it turned out that's why Luke Young's move to Liverpool fell through or if Heskey or Beye held out for a similar sum before agreeing to move?
Based on what definition of loyalty? If it's based on the figure that Ireland is assumed to be asking for then Heskey would receive £330k and Beye £220k (and that's based on Ireland's pay which I doubt that they're getting).
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 13, 2010, 09:30:22 AM
I wonder if people would feel the same if it turned out that's why Luke Young's move to Liverpool fell through or if Heskey or Beye held out for a similar sum before agreeing to move?
However, all of those scenarios are unrealistic.
AVFC aren't waving wods of cash in the air either - Ireland is purely being businesslike about this.
Seriously, he's being told to go to live in Birmingham - to move to a club he hasn't chosen and on lower wages i would bet.
Ok, we aren't going to pay him £50k a year, but if it's (say) £50k a week, he would be taking a £15k a week drop from what I've read lately.
Please correct me those who know what Ireland is earning if I am over egging his wages at Citeh.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on August 13, 2010, 09:33:19 AM
I wish it would be cleared up as to why he's going. If he is insisting on a move we should hear about a transfer request.
If he is been sold to cover the finances for this season (lets face it a new manager wont have time to shift some of the overpaid players) then we should know.
Other than that i cannot see why he's going.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2010, 09:37:26 AM
I wish it would be cleared up as to why he's going. If he is insisting on a move we should hear about a transfer request.
If he is been sold to cover the finances for this season (lets face it a new manager wont have time to shift some of the overpaid players) then we should know.
Other than that i cannot see why he's going.
Seriously, isn't the fact he's doubling his wages a bit of a clue?
These days players do not have to request a move, they just have to not object to it once their agent has engineered it on their instructions.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 13, 2010, 09:37:41 AM
I wish it would be cleared up as to why he's going. If he is insisting on a move we should hear about a transfer request.
If he is been sold to cover the finances for this season (lets face it a new manager wont have time to shift some of the overpaid players) then we should know.
Other than that i cannot see why he's going.
I think a transfer request is moot when he's stated that he wants to go. Randy has stated that Villa didn't want to sell Milner. That he is being sold is down to Man City making a ridiculous offer that we'd be stupid to refuse. Everything has it's price.
And if you can't see why Milner is going, then I can't help you.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2010, 10:37:08 AM
Quote
"City have no intentions of backing down in the face of Irelands's demands," said BBC Radio 5 live correspondent Pat Murphy.
"They feel that too many clubs are trying to take advantage of their vast riches and that £2m is a ridiculous sum to dispense with a player who didn't feature much last season and is not in Roberto Mancini's future plans.
"City also believe that Ireland is simply not entitled to £2m to leave. If no compromise can be reached then the Milner deal is shelved for the time being.
"City have given no indication that they will go beyond the £20m they offered Villa in May, so the only deal on the table is £18m plus Stephen Ireland."
Quote
Pay up or fuck off
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 13, 2010, 10:41:00 AM
Very similar to the Dunne situation last summer. Remember that only went through on the last day because Dunne was holding tight for money he felt he was due.
City will eventually cough up. Maybe not 2 million, but the deal will be done.
Anyone else shouting for Spurs on Saturday?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2010, 10:47:54 AM
Man City are right in that paying a player £2m to leave a club is ludicrous. But then is everything else they've done since taking over the club, so why not?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dr Butler on August 13, 2010, 10:53:46 AM
Very similar to the Dunne situation last summer. Remember that only went through on the last day because Dunne was holding tight for money he felt he was due.
City will eventually cough up. Maybe not 2 million, but the deal will be done.
Anyone else shouting for Spurs on Saturday?
No. I predict and hoping for a boring 0-0 draw, but SKY will actually dramatise it into Mega-Super-Duper-clash of the titans-Saturday total wankfest.......
UTV The Doc
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: villajk on August 13, 2010, 10:56:48 AM
SSN reporting that the Milner transfer could take another two or three days.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 13, 2010, 11:20:31 AM
Very similar to the Dunne situation last summer. Remember that only went through on the last day because Dunne was holding tight for money he felt he was due.
City will eventually cough up. Maybe not 2 million, but the deal will be done.
Anyone else shouting for Spurs on Saturday?
No. I predict and hoping for a boring 0-0 draw, but SKY will actually dramatise it into Mega-Super-Duper-clash of the titans-Saturday total wankfest.......
UTV The Doc
Doc, I see where you're coming from....but imagine the pressure Mancini would be under if they lose that one.
I would gain some perverse pleasure from watching him slowly crack and hopefully City's season with him.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 13, 2010, 11:20:52 AM
Call it off and tell them to come back in January.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on August 13, 2010, 11:22:19 AM
Ireland is absolutely correct in sticking out for 2 million.
Sorry but this is utterly obscene, people are staving in the world!
Its easy, if Ireland doen't want to leave, DON'T just rot at City!
If City don't want to pay the stupid pay-off, DON'T just rot at City!
If the deal can't go ahead because City won't pay Ireland or the price we want for Milner, ABSOLUTELY FINE we keep Milner.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: andrew08 on August 13, 2010, 11:32:50 AM
Again our board/Randy comes out in a good light and show once more how switched on they are.
Man City want to buy one of our better players and are told the price, because they do their business in public everyone knows they want Milner. Milner knows his proposed pay and wants to go. Having been told the price they now want to negotiate....either by reducing the fee to pay the Ireland 'loyalty' payoff or thinking we need the dosh just cos the media think we do.
So either pay the fee or fxxk off and leave us alone
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 13, 2010, 01:10:19 PM
It is a similar situation to the one with Dunne last year and will go through.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jane on August 13, 2010, 01:24:46 PM
Breaking News on SSN that Milner is named in the squad (ours that is!) for tomorrow . . .
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Leighton on August 13, 2010, 01:25:55 PM
SSN: Milner’s named in our squad to face West Ham. Wonder what kind of reception he will get if he plays… If he does play then I’m expecting a Dwight Yorke performance against Everton all over again.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Concrete John on August 13, 2010, 01:26:43 PM
SSN: Milner’s named in our squad to face West Ham. Wonder what kind of reception he will get if he plays… If he does play then I’m expecting a Dwight Yorke performance against Everton all over again.
Bizarrely, I think he'll play his heart out.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: WALTERS WARRIORS on August 13, 2010, 01:28:18 PM
Surely they wont play him. It would be suicide ............
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 13, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
Don't think he'll be playing ....
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 13, 2010, 01:29:16 PM
I think Milner will start tomorrow.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: deanl123 on August 13, 2010, 01:35:14 PM
That's a £26M gamble on one game. I'd be astounded if he plays.
A career finishing injury and we'll see Randy cry his little heart out!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 13, 2010, 01:44:39 PM
Clever bit of thinking by us? It might force Man City to pay Ireland up by tomorrow so we'll leave him out.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on August 13, 2010, 01:45:12 PM
I hope he plays.... and stays.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: wozwebs on August 13, 2010, 01:47:54 PM
Same channel reported he was left out an hour ago
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 13, 2010, 01:50:09 PM
I'd say he's shacked up in a bed and breakfast in Manchetser at the moment anyway.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: achilles on August 13, 2010, 02:41:08 PM
SSN: Milner’s named in our squad to face West Ham. Wonder what kind of reception he will get if he plays… If he does play then I’m expecting a Dwight Yorke performance against Everton all over again.
Bizarrely, I think he'll play his heart out.
Exactly what we should be doing, playing our best players and NOT pandering to Shitty City, and I also agree that he will play his heart out... he always does, he doesn't know any other way of playing.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 13, 2010, 03:18:02 PM
Do I take it we haven't managed to exchange our 'greedy bastard' for their model of Professionalism who is only asking for a sweetener to soften the hardship of having to play football for a living for another team on ludicrously low wages?
Must be horrible for the likes of Dunne and Ireland having to be paid to join such an awful club as Aston Villa, hopefully Ireland will see how Dunne has managed to turn his life around having struggled through such adversity.
Premier league footballers are an inspiration to us all.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Marlon From Bearwood on August 13, 2010, 03:22:46 PM
Do I take it we haven't managed to exchange our 'greedy bastard' for their model of Professionalism who is only asking for a sweetener to soften the hardship of having to play football for a living for another team on ludicrously low wages?
Must be horrible for the likes of Dunne and Ireland having to be paid to join such an awful club as Aston Villa, hopefully Ireland will see how Dunne has managed to turn his life around having struggled through such adversity.
Premier league footballers are an inspiration to us all.
Couldn't agree more mate, but I'm afraid that's just the way it is these days. Players have way too much power and control, but it aint gonna change..
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lowendbehold on August 13, 2010, 03:23:43 PM
A reporter on SSN said as an add on to his report on the Ireland impasse that City have put a deadline of Sunday on Ireland, presumably to accept the deal and added that the deal may then go ahead on a straight cash basis.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 13, 2010, 03:24:50 PM
A reporter on SSN said as an add on to his report on the Ireland impasse that City have put a deadline of Sunday on Ireland, presumably to accept the deal and added that the deal may then go ahead on a straight cash basis.
Pat Murphy said that Villa still want £30m for Milner if it's straight cash, so that would kill the move unless City pay up.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 13, 2010, 03:25:15 PM
Players have way too much power and control, but it aint gonna change..
I'm no fan of Alan Sugar but he called it correctly many years ago about the clubs blowing the extra millions on paying the players stupid money.
No wonder people fall out of love with the game.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: DrGonzo on August 13, 2010, 04:09:01 PM
Can we add Ireland to the thread title please, he may be the deciding factor after all of this...
Wouldn't fancy Milner will be starting this weekend after the lack of a pre-season, he didn't look at his sharpest when he came on for England. But won't be suprised if he makes an appearance, and why not? If he's still our player he should be picked ahead of the likes of Sdders and Re-okie-dokie, imo.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 13, 2010, 04:46:57 PM
No way that we would risk playing milner tomorrow- one he's had no pre season as such and also they wouldn't risk him getting injured and missing out on all that cash.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 13, 2010, 05:21:57 PM
Can I just say that Milner isn't going any where. 14 August v West Ham no. 8 shirt will say MILNER.
Milner in the squad for tomorrow. I did tell you lot!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: D.boy on August 13, 2010, 06:02:23 PM
I wonder who "interestedobserver" is? http://www.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/forum/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=175975&start=3820 Feel free to shorten link as I haven't got a scooby how to.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 13, 2010, 06:49:52 PM
Dunno, but I hope he's correct ...............
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2010, 08:07:11 PM
I can't see City paying Ireland off, Then it will go to straight cash and they wont offer the £30m as Milner will not be first choice but they know Milner can't stay at Villa.
I think they are trying to force our hand on this
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: tim on August 13, 2010, 08:10:23 PM
Sky News just said Milner is in the team for tomorrow. So he should be too. Until anything is signed then he remains a Villa player and should be treated as such. Man City should not be even considered when picking OUR team.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2010, 08:17:36 PM
I can't see him starting
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: themossman on August 13, 2010, 08:21:25 PM
Much as I like the idea of the sort of brinkmanship people are advocating, citeh hold all the cards. Milner is a lot less important to them than to us. As Ireland would be. Plus I imagine milner wants to go there a lot more than Ireland wants to come here. Plus they need the money a lot less than us.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2010, 08:24:08 PM
Yep hope Ireland agrees to the pay off sharpish, I do really want this deal to go through. I think we get a player we need more and a lot of money.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: tim on August 13, 2010, 08:24:50 PM
Nah, nor me but he certainly should not be left out altogether. I was wondering how much more effort MC will actually make regarding this whole fiasco. When you consider what they can get / have already bought, are they really that concerned to persevere much longer? Seems a lot of effort if you ask me...
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: SteveN on August 13, 2010, 08:25:33 PM
I'd be quite happy if we forgot Ireland and took Hart as part of the deal instead. I like Ireland but I'm not convinced he is as good as some on here are hoping.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: tim on August 13, 2010, 08:25:59 PM
Much as I like the idea of the sort of brinkmanship people are advocating, citeh hold all the cards. Milner is a lot less important to them than to us. As Ireland would be. Plus I imagine milner wants to go there a lot more than Ireland wants to come here. Plus they need the money a lot less than us.
beat me to it..!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lowendbehold on August 13, 2010, 08:30:52 PM
Sounds as though Man C will not give in to Ireland. So if Ireland will not give in, I think it will be straight cash. So then who woul we go for?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: frank on August 13, 2010, 08:32:04 PM
Sounds as though Man C will not give in to Ireland. So if Ireland will not give in, I think it will be straight cash. So then who woul we go for?
Citeh will cave, because it'd cost them more to sign Milner for straight cash than pay off Ireland.
It is a matter of principle and principles come more expensive than cash, of which City have plenty. They are clearly concerned about being held to ransom by a player something that would set one hell of a precedent. Especially as they will be wanting to offload some other well paid players in the future.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2010, 08:39:49 PM
Sounds as though Man C will not give in to Ireland. So if Ireland will not give in, I think it will be straight cash. So then who woul we go for?
Citeh will cave, because it'd cost them more to sign Milner for straight cash than pay off Ireland.
It is a matter of principle and principles come more expensive than cash, of which City have plenty. They are clearly concerned about being held to ransom by a player something that would set one hell of a precedent. Especially as they will be wanting to offload some other well paid players in the future.
I think they'll probably be more concerned about be held to ransom by us. For some reason they've decided Milner is the player they will make their financial stand over, and not bid the asking price.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 13, 2010, 08:40:58 PM
Sounds as though Man C will not give in to Ireland. So if Ireland will not give in, I think it will be straight cash. So then who woul we go for?
Citeh will cave, because it'd cost them more to sign Milner for straight cash than pay off Ireland.
It is a matter of principle and principles come more expensive than cash, of which City have plenty. They are clearly concerned about being held to ransom by a player something that would set one hell of a precedent. Especially as they will be wanting to offload some other well paid players in the future.
I think they'll probably be more concerned about be held to ransom by us. For some reason they've decided Milner is the player they will make their financial stand over, and not bid the asking price.
Maybe, but then the deal does not go through at all. It might depend if a valuation of Ireland was determined between us. I read somewher that they valued him at £12m and we at consideraably less. So what is the deal actually worth. They probably wont pay £30m, but £26m? Why not?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 13, 2010, 08:45:25 PM
The 25 man squad is Mancini's problem, or one of them .... and it's a nice problem to have.
He will do the deal, but it will be Sunday / Monday.
Ireland will be a Villa player - his car will be at Bodymoor confusing the life out of the locals around Coleshill lol
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 13, 2010, 08:45:57 PM
Sounds as though Man C will not give in to Ireland. So if Ireland will not give in, I think it will be straight cash. So then who woul we go for?
Citeh will cave, because it'd cost them more to sign Milner for straight cash than pay off Ireland.
Can you see them payin £30m? I can't
Exactly my point.
Fingers crossed it goes through next week, We could have done with him tomorrow
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 13, 2010, 08:55:27 PM
Tuesday should be the day.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ross on August 13, 2010, 09:03:22 PM
There is no way Man City will allow Milner to slip away. He's been such a high profile target, their collective egos wouldn't stand not getting what they want. They'll pay the money to SI in the end I'm sure.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: nipper on August 13, 2010, 09:25:45 PM
Personally i don't think Milner should be anywhere near B6 tomorrow. What we need is a new start with players who wanna be here. Everyone needs to be 100% focused on cheering on the lads for 90 mins, not distracted by jeering someone soon to be gone.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Lowendbehold on August 13, 2010, 09:41:15 PM
Personally i don't think Milner should be anywhere near B6 tomorrow. What we need is a new start with players who wanna be here. Everyone needs to be 100% focused on cheering on the lads for 90 mins, not distracted by jeering someone soon to be gone.
I tend to agree. Perhaps he is in the squad to gee up Man C to resolve things one way or another. Doubt he will play so he might not even be there. His only preseason has been 30 minutes for England?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 13, 2010, 10:51:16 PM
Whilst he's not had much of a pre-season, he strikes me as the kind of bloke that could do abosultely nothing for years yet still be remarkably fit.
Can't imagine he'd play considering the ridiculous value Villa have managed to convince Man City he's worth.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on August 13, 2010, 10:53:03 PM
SSN reporting we have put a deadline of sunday for the Milner deal to be resloved or he stays.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on August 13, 2010, 10:54:52 PM
Id start Milner tomorow all day long, we pay him so we should play him.
He would put a good shift in, so fuck Man city if they are fucking around.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Pete3206 on August 13, 2010, 11:10:38 PM
when does the 25 man squad have to be named by and does this include all cup games too?
It's a PL rule, and the 25 man squad is declared at the end of the transfer window.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: alan_clarke on August 14, 2010, 12:19:38 AM
I see Milner putting in more effort tomorrow than Ireland would should the deal have already been done
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ross on August 14, 2010, 12:25:12 AM
There is no way Milner will play tomorrow. Given our finances, it would be reckless in the extreme, plus I want everything to be on getting behind the coaches and players. I think there will be a good backs against the wall attitude from fans and players, and so we don't want that judas fecker anywhere near B6.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 14, 2010, 12:30:25 AM
If he's not a part of our 'bright future', then he's no place in the starting eleven. If needs must and we have to use him due to an injury then so be it. Use him. But only if absolutely necessary.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: citychris on August 14, 2010, 01:53:41 AM
It is getting very boring this whole saga, but I am going to defend both players in this situation. Firstly not once have I heard that Milner wants to leave or have a go at Villa for not letting him leave Secondly, Ireland is a family man who is settled in Manchester (his eldest has only just started school last year)
The people who deserved to be booed is your chairman who wants the cash and Marwood for riding roughshed over one of "our own"
Before everyone shouts money it matters not-If you are a twat you are a twat no matter what you earn. When you are eaning astronomical wages 10 grand here and there does not make any difference.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 14, 2010, 02:50:29 AM
How do you figure our chairman needs booing? Seriously? He came out in the off-season after hearing rumours that Milner was wanted and stated that Milner would be a Villa player for the forthcoming season. Mancini and Cock then engineered an unsettling of the player (let's give it a name shall we? We'll call it 'tapping up') promising him a hefty wage increase and the kind of glory that Man City have been proud of in the past. Oh, no, hang on. Well, they promised the kind of glory and medals that Gareth Barry went to your lot for. Oh, hang on there, too.
Well, they make a lot of promises your lot but one thing they CAN deliver on is filthy lucre. And a lot of it.
So explain to me in terms that a simpleton can undestand (cuz clearly I don't get it) how it is that OUR chairman deserves anything but applause for the way he's handled this? i.e. NOT in public and wringing every last penny of oil-money that your no-mark club flaunt in the most classless way imaginable?
Flaunt, yet cry about it when it's time to pay a bill. Like offering to buy Kaka for the cost of putting a man on Mars, giving Toure enough money to give a 3rd world county AAA+ ecomomic status and then cry foul when a player who's been with you since he was a lad, has served you well, has now been fucked over in favour of aforementioned journeymen, sticks his hand out and asks for his contract to be paid out. The people in charge of your club are wankers of the highest order. I look forward to watching Man Utd stuff your lot senseless. And that's something I never thought I'd come out with. Ever!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeB on August 14, 2010, 08:50:23 AM
Just about spot on there, Troy.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: garyfouroaks on August 14, 2010, 09:27:09 AM
The people who deserved to be booed is your chairman who wants the cash and Marwood for riding roughshed over one of "our own"
No-one can question Randy's cash commitment to the Villa. If Leeds, West Ham and Pompey had worried a litle more about "the cash" they would not have encountered their recent predicaments.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ads on August 14, 2010, 11:34:06 AM
The people who deserved to be booed is your chairman
And that Sir, is where you let it be known to everyone that you had no idea what the feck we were talking about.
When it comes to having Chairmen with some class, professionalism and grace Lerner is as good as they come. Considering the chancers that you lot have had to put up with down the years (you've just got a far richer version now by the way) it's hardly surprising that you can't recognise it when you see it.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 14, 2010, 11:51:51 AM
The people who deserved to be booed is your chairman
Agreed, Randy has handled this correctly.
Fucking hell Curly, we're not having that.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on August 14, 2010, 11:57:43 AM
heaven forbid we have a chairman who doesnt allow our club to be walked all over!
the shock and horror of us following all the rules to the letter and trying to make it worthwhile us selling a player we dont want to lose so that it benefits us....
one thinks that the lottery win has gone to the chavs head...
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: old man villa fan on August 14, 2010, 12:28:21 PM
Sorry, I do not understand people saying that Ireland should back down on his claim for compensation for termination of his contract with Man City.
A few things for consideration:
Just because he earns a very good wage shouldn't mean that he should have to accept reduction in his earnings because his employer wants to get rid of him. He and his employer were both happy to sign a contract with certain conditions. How would you feel if your employer said that he had found you another job but you would have to accept a considerable reduction
I know contracts do not seem to mean much these days but if Man City get away with this, where will it end. Take our situation with Heskey, if we told him we had an offer of £5m (don't laugh - I'm trying to keep a straight face myself)from some championship side but they were only going to pay him £10k a week. If this was allowed to happen it would have a major knock on effect on players contracts and what they would want to sign for a new club. The first thing would be a higher wage to counter the risk of being sold and then they would want a shorter contract. Either of these would be good for the game.
The amount of money Man City have should not affect the principle of the matter.
Ireland has a contract whereby he is paid £60/£70k per week (not sure exactly) and reportedly £10k per appearance. If he was to stay at Man City but was not included in the 25 man squad, Man City would be preventing him from being able to earn the extra £10k. Surely, this would be braking the terms of his contract as it is different to not being selected to play because he is not playing well, something that he could rectify by playing better. There could be many other players around the country that this applies to that may be on a play-pay basis.
By not paying up the loss of earnings for the time left on his contract, Man City are expecting us to offer him a higher wage and thus, us getting less in effect for Milner and them paying less.
Man City are treating their players that they do not want any more like s***. We know about Dunne and now Bellamy and Milner. No doubt there are others. So where are the PFA and the highest paid union leader in the country in all of this. By the looks of it not protecting their members contracts.
I do not agree with players getting paid so much but I do believe that contracts should be honoured. If a player wants to leave before his contract comes to an end, fair enough if the club holding his contract is adequately compensated, as we are being through the price we want for Milner. People may say that I am living in a land of dreams but sooner or later we have got to get this game we all love into order, before it gets destroyed for good.
In my opinion (providing what I have read about Irelands contract is correct), Man City should compensate Ireland for him accepting a reduced contract elsewhere. If they do not pay him and Ireland wants higher wages or a signing on fee from us, we should insist on cash only deal because, although Ireland is a decent player, he should not be on a wage that matches our top earner, or therabouts. If this means the deal breaks down, so be it and we keep Milner until at least January when he can try again and get a transfer. I believe he is professional enough to give is all for us if this happened, provided it was explained who is to blame for it.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 14, 2010, 01:31:17 PM
Can't disagree with any of that, OMVF.
Your point 4 is interesting - about players earning a percentage of their wage on a pay-per-play contract - and I suspect that if anyone will become entangled in legal issues, it'll be Man City. Any excess players outside of that select 25 have zero chance of making anything from their play-bonus for at least a season. Not their fault....they were brought in to do a job, fulfilled that duty, but then found themselves behind in the pecking order not through any fault of their own but through the club buying a number of better players. Could get messy.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 14, 2010, 07:21:53 PM
Milner will stay.
Wait and see.
;)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2010, 08:06:47 PM
Well every novela has a twist at the end.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: usav on August 14, 2010, 08:09:23 PM
Having seen both the Villa and Man City games today, I can honestly say I think Milner will be making a huge mistake going to City. Yes they have bags of money and will probably buy themselves a champions league slot this season (although not on today's evidence), but Milner will not be heart and soul of it by any stretch.
Why would he leave a good team where he can shine to go to one where he will be a sub and bit-part player at best?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 14, 2010, 08:15:42 PM
He will walk into their team
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 14, 2010, 08:16:22 PM
Having seen both the Villa and Man City games today, I can honestly say I think Milner will be making a huge mistake going to City. Yes they have bags of money and will probably buy themselves a champions league slot this season (although not on today's evidence), but Milner will not be heart and soul of it by any stretch.
Why would he leave a good team where he can shine to go to one where he will be a sub and bit-part player at best?
I was thinking something similar today. Imagine our dressing room after the game today, you can bet it was buzzing with excitment. Now try and imagine Man Citeh's. A bunch of mercenaries and prima-donnas that care little about the club.
Does James really want to step into that world?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 14, 2010, 08:22:56 PM
I hope the crowd will encourage him to rethink and stay at Villa Park. I would love it if we could get Ireland and keep Milner.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Countryside Villain on August 14, 2010, 08:36:13 PM
I'd love him to stay far more than I'd love the money to re-invest. We could do a lot with £20 mill ploughed back in to the team but I think we would struggle to replace him, even on his mediocre days.
If he stays though, I want him tied to a new contract immediately. Don't need the same distractions come January.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Arsey on August 14, 2010, 09:49:15 PM
On paper the Milner deal looks too good to turn down but I am not sure it is. We need him and the deal is only good if the 18 mil is re-invested to improve the side. We are not going to be able to do that until a new manager is put in charge and it seems as though before any new signings are to be made other players have to be sold to reduce the wage bill.
I think we should tell them to stick their money up their arses.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 16, 2010, 04:39:40 AM
I've no idea where the quote is sourced from or it's accuracy but I just saw this on Bluee Moon:
Quote
Some interesting comments by Petrov today:
"When you are a good player and teams want to pay £20million, £30million for you then you can do nothing about it.
"He is giving everything for he club like he always does. He's a great pro and people should learn from him.
"He deserves the standing ovation because you don't see many more honest players in the world coming out and playing like that with such heart.
"He was flattered by the reaction - and when you make the fans happy and see them behind you, it makes it even harder to leave.
"After today he may even decide to stay."
Sorry if this has already been covered.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Beijing Villan on August 16, 2010, 07:03:41 AM
Great post by OMVF on the previous page. A contract is a contract. Ireland has not asked for a move and has not asked for the contract to be broken. Citeh need to pay up by at least making up the difference between Ireland's prospective wage at Villa and his Man City wage, difference x weeks outstanding on his MC contract. However, the sticky part is probably the 10k playing bonus, I guess the number of games he has played last season (or average over last two/three seasons) would be a good place to start.
I think that Villa should go back to a cash only deal though as I don't see Ireland filling Milner's role.
Interesting post by Troy as well, I guess wishful thinking by Petrov. But how marvellously, fan-bleeding-tastic would it be if Milner turned round and told Man City that he has decided to stay. I think Jimmy would be instantly deified by the Villa fans!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 16, 2010, 08:00:49 AM
Maybe he feels the whole mood at the club has lifted now o neill has gone , I'd be delighted if he stats but can understand him going if he leaves and would applaud him if he returned in whatever colours. He will captain England for many years in my opinion- another Bryan robson.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: E I Adio on August 16, 2010, 08:10:51 AM
Interesting post by Troy as well, I guess wishful thinking by Petrov. But how marvellously, fan-bleeding-tastic would it be if Milner turned round and told Man City that he has decided to stay. I think Jimmy would be instantly deified by the Villa fans!
Did anyone else notice that during Milner's rather muted goal celebration Petrov was speaking in his ear at some length after which Milner nodded and ran off? Just wishful thinking on my part to interpret this as anything significant I expect, but I was wondering what it was he had to say to him at the time.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BILL DE VALL on August 16, 2010, 12:42:56 PM
Manc citie are not a team they are a collection of overpaid individuals They played like they had never met yesterday and yes the lads at bodymoor will be buzzing this week really looking forward to the season All the manc players will be looking at a hard season of worry and insecurity and will not be rushing into training like our lads-despite being paid twice or three times as much
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Clampy on August 16, 2010, 01:22:24 PM
It would only be worth him staying if he signed a new contract.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: alan_clarke on August 16, 2010, 01:22:47 PM
Betfair are running a market on whether Milner will stay or not.
Last week he was 1.03 to leave.
Now he is 1.3
Make of that what you will. Probably about accurate.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villafirst on August 16, 2010, 01:30:29 PM
I say let him go but insist on first refusal when he gets fed up of being a bit part player. I can see this mirroring the Robbie Keane scenario with Liverpool, where he didn't settle and ended up back at Spurs in no time. Do you agree??
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 16, 2010, 01:32:54 PM
no news is good news. i hope its all gonna fall through :-)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Namaste on August 16, 2010, 01:46:55 PM
no news is good news. i hope its all gonna fall through :-)
Yep, I hope so too. Thing is Milner's under contract and Villa do not want to sell, that should really be the end of the matter unless Milner hands in the transfer request?
Rumours are that Manc. City are after Yoann Gourcuff from Bourdeaux for 25million EURO.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on August 16, 2010, 01:48:40 PM
I've grown to dislike Milner recently because of this transfer saga.
However, after viewing Milner's reaction on MOTD on Sunday morning he had that look about him. The look that said "I really, really wish I was staying".
What Petrov said was true. He's been the centre of a lot of talk and for him to still play with such amazing-ness is the sign of a true footballer.
I hope he stays. He'll be happier, KMac will be happier and the fans will be happier. And 'if' (a big 'if') he stays then I think he can be put in the book of Villa legends.
Providing he wins us a final, of course.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 16, 2010, 05:27:46 PM
I thought he was a money grabbing mercenary twat up until Saturday. He put on a professional performance and for that I thank him. I wish him all the best if he is to leave but if that is to Man City as likely it will be against a backdrop of hoping his club fail miserably.
He will be a hard player to replace, mind. Saturday's performance convinced me of that. Will we get a player that balances his talent set? I'm not sure. Ireland is a more skilful player but I don't think he has the work-rate of Milly.
I hope he stays now but sadly don't think it's likely.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 16, 2010, 05:46:18 PM
I'm sorry to say that I don't think he'll stay. Even if it takes until 31st August, I just can't see anything changing his mind.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 16, 2010, 06:29:39 PM
No contact from City today and he'll be on the plane to Vienna.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2010, 06:30:59 PM
Bloody hell. This ain't going to plan is it? I wonder if this has chance of falling through?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2010, 06:32:10 PM
I say let him go but insist on first refusal when he gets fed up of being a bit part player. I can see this mirroring the Robbie Keane scenario with Liverpool, where he didn't settle and ended up back at Spurs in no time. Do you agree??
I hope so, after we get Ireland though. Ireland, Jimmy and Delph would be a great midfield.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: HTFCacc2007 on August 16, 2010, 06:37:54 PM
No contact from City today and he'll be on the plane to Vienna.
Would this cup-tie him for later rounds?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Guy M on August 16, 2010, 06:37:57 PM
Seeing as nothing's happening as far as this transfer's concerned at the moment, can someone correct the spelling of Novela to Novella? Maybe it will prompt a decision one way or the other.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 16, 2010, 06:41:24 PM
I guess if Jim makes the pitch at any point during Thursday's game we know what the answer is.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheSandman on August 16, 2010, 06:45:25 PM
Seeing as nothing's happening as far as this transfer's concerned at the moment, can someone correct the spelling of Novela to Novella? Maybe it will prompt a decision one way or the other.
It was changed but then it was changed back.
One L refers to a Spanish term for Soap opera I believe.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 16, 2010, 06:48:16 PM
Thread on 606
http://www.bbc.co.uk/dna/606/A73059005
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Keeno on August 16, 2010, 06:50:53 PM
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 16, 2010, 07:03:06 PM
We all got a little fired up when this story first broke, James was off and Martin's comments about the situation. It would mark a simply incredible 7-10 days in our recent history if the departure of MON not only galvanized the club and fans, but had a bearing in Milner deciding to stay. It's clear that the player is committed while in the shirt, and that we love him in that shirt. What a turnaround this would be.
Edit - I still expect him to go, but it's nice to hope that he doesn't.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 16, 2010, 07:13:41 PM
I guess if Jim makes the pitch at any point during Thursday's game we know what the answer is.
I was about to clean the windows with my Che Guevara T shirt, it looks like the windows will have to wait.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on August 16, 2010, 07:16:51 PM
Not going to read anything in this but i think Milner is going to stay.....
villa man in the know Brendan M??????? (writes for ??????? and ??????) has just told me (facebook chat) that he has had news just a few hours ago of a major turning point at villa.
i asked him what and he refused to tell me so i tried reverse questions...and sorry but...
he refused to say if it was anything about Milner
he refused to say if it was anything about new signings
all he did say was it had nothing to do with MON (i asked if it was) who he is friends with.
it will be in his paper once he has full confirmation from the club oh and Randy "was" away in Italy (read in that what you will)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on August 16, 2010, 07:20:16 PM
Not going to read anything in this but i think Milner is going to stay.....
villa man in the know Brendan M??????? (writes for ??????? and ??????) has just told me (facebook chat) that he has had news just a few hours ago of a major turning point at villa.
i asked him what and he refused to tell me so i tried reverse questions...and sorry but...
he refused to say if it was anything about Milner
he refused to say if it was anything about new signings
all he did say was it had nothing to do with MON (i asked if it was) who he is friends with.
it will be in his paper once he has full confirmation from the club oh and Randy "was" away in Italy (read in that what you will)
sorry guys i had to remove his name!! don't wanna lose him as a friend on FB
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 16, 2010, 07:22:34 PM
Not going to read anything in this but i think Milner is going to stay.....
villa man in the know Brendan M??????? (writes for ??????? and ??????) has just told me (facebook chat) that he has had news just a few hours ago of a major turning point at villa.
i asked him what and he refused to tell me so i tried reverse questions...and sorry but...
he refused to say if it was anything about Milner
he refused to say if it was anything about new signings
all he did say was it had nothing to do with MON (i asked if it was) who he is friends with.
it will be in his paper once he has full confirmation from the club oh and Randy "was" away in Italy (read in that what you will)
oh yes, please yes yes yes !!!!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 16, 2010, 07:29:20 PM
If Randy go on holiday for 2 weeks and then he can't rubber stamp the transfer to Manchester City :) but no one to come in.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2010, 07:39:54 PM
Think I'd still prefer Ireland and Flamini to be honest.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 16, 2010, 07:41:25 PM
dont care if no ones comes in to be honest maybe we could do with a striker but with the oneil gone its like we have 2 new signings in young and reo because they will be given a fair crack of the whipe an with albrighton doing what he is doing , we can cope until january :-)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 16, 2010, 07:48:37 PM
I would be amazed if he stayed!
Stranger things have happened though
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: DB on August 16, 2010, 08:19:39 PM
'......that horse becoming Pope'.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2010, 09:25:48 PM
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: abc123cox on August 16, 2010, 10:52:02 PM
i think this is the news my mate was talking about. fingers crossed! top 4 here we come
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 16, 2010, 10:55:43 PM
I would love to see him on that plane to Austria. I think the situation genuinely does change if he plays on Thursday.
Bollocks. I hate it when I give myself a reason to believe he might stay. I've been certain he's out of the door at least a dozen times this summer.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 16, 2010, 10:59:55 PM
I'm hoping he'll stay not only because he's a class player but it would be one huge "FUCK YOU" to the media who insist we're a selling club and cant compete etc etc.
I'm prepared for him to leave but it would be so sweet if he didn't.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Shrek on August 16, 2010, 11:03:47 PM
If he did stay, it would be absolutely amazing for Villa, first Martin leaves allowing the team to progress secondly jimmy stays and third we start playing better football, especially at home.
I just have the feeling I am going to be gutted in the next few days. But how sweet it would be hearing all the media trying to explain that actually we are ambitious and that Martin is not bigger than the club, but was holding the team back!
Fingers crossed!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 16, 2010, 11:04:12 PM
I still want Ireland...
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 16, 2010, 11:05:50 PM
Ireland is no Milner! No where near the workrate and passion. Still a quality player but no jimmy!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: luke25 on August 16, 2010, 11:15:43 PM
If he does stay, and I bloody hope he does then its essential that we tie him down to a long term contract or we'll barely get what we paid for him should Citeh come back in for him next summer
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on August 16, 2010, 11:17:48 PM
If he does stay will Milner be as committed? I know he did well against West Ham but that was one game and presumably he still thought he was going. I'm just concerned that if the deal is off it is more due to politics and City fannying about with Ireland than a change of heart by Milner. I'd love him to stay, but only if his heart is in it and its for good, not just for a Barry-style one-more-season then off-I-fuck-to-the-first-team-that-flashes-a-wad-of-cash-in-my-direction-next-summer.
That's more than enough hyphens for this time of night.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Grande Pablo on August 16, 2010, 11:31:29 PM
There must be doubts Citeh really want him in his own mind - it should have been done & dusted weeks ago for the full asking price & MON would probably still be in charge.
Instead he can stay at a club for whom he excells, & is loved. What a coup that would be.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 12:11:58 AM
Time to do a deal for Ireland independant of the Milner saga. That'd be a show of absolute force in the face of a (largely) hostile media should we get a quality manager, Stephen Ireland and keep Milner.
Even just keeping Milner would send out an amazing message to other clubs who feel the pressure of Man City's money.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2010, 07:26:40 AM
Time to do a deal for Ireland independant of the Milner saga. That'd be a show of absolute force in the face of a (largely) hostile media should we get a quality manager, Stephen Ireland and keep Milner.
Even just keeping Milner would send out an amazing message to other clubs who feel the pressure of Man City's money.
Agreed. There's a piece in the Mirror that I'd say is quite humiliating for him this morning, pictures of back-of-a-spoon-face Platt telling him to train with the reserves.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 17, 2010, 08:20:05 AM
Milner staying is all very well providing he signs a new deal. What we don't want is him to stick around for the rest of the season, then sign for Citeh for a knockdown fee (say £15m) next summer. In the meantime, Spurs, Fulham or whoever come in and nick Ireland from under our noses.
If he still doesn't want to stay, we should get rid while we can command a big fee for him. Who knows what's going on in his head after Saturday though.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2010, 08:30:23 AM
Man City are doing my head in here.
If Man City haven't sorted out their side of the deal by the end of today then I think we take him to Austria and then do our best to offer him a new contract. Really show him where he's wanted.
If Ireland is also left out of the 25 man squad then we should still make a move for him.
Guess that might depend on fucking off Sidwell, Beye and Heskey.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2010, 08:30:53 AM
Seeing as nothing's happening as far as this transfer's concerned at the moment, can someone correct the spelling of Novela to Novella? Maybe it will prompt a decision one way or the other.
Found this definition that goes some way to explain it for you Guy:
A novela is a limited-run (the length of the transfer window) television serial melodrama of the type made famous in Latin America. Novelas are essentially soap operas in miniseries format. The plot is always the same (remember Gareth Barry). In the first three minutes of the first episode the viewer already knows the novela will end with the couple kissing each other. A novela is all about a couple (Milner/Man Citeh) who want to kiss and a scriptwriter (Paul Cook) who stands in their way for 120 episodes (May to the end of August).
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Matt C on August 17, 2010, 08:36:25 AM
I'm going to afford myself a momentary glimpse of the dream scenario where Milner stays, perhaps signs a contract extension and then we go and sign Ireland anyway.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2010, 08:37:44 AM
I'm going to afford myself a momentary glimpse of the dream scenario where Milner stays, perhaps signs a contract extension and then we go and sign Ireland anyway.
There's always an unexpected twist at the end. Fingers crossed.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Brend'Watkins on August 17, 2010, 08:43:12 AM
I'm going to afford myself a momentary glimpse of the dream scenario where Milner stays, perhaps signs a contract extension and then we go and sign Ireland anyway.
There's always an unexpected twist at the end. Fingers crossed.
If only.
Can you imagine the back tracking by Oliver Holt et al.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on August 17, 2010, 08:45:59 AM
What time do the team fly out to Vienna on Wednesday ? Any money no object supporters on here who are flying out on the team trip or does anybody know anyone ? Its a quick call from the airport before boarding the flight to let us know whether Milner is on it.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: midnite on August 17, 2010, 08:47:48 AM
I'm going to afford myself a momentary glimpse of the dream scenario where Milner stays, perhaps signs a contract extension and then we go and sign Ireland anyway.
That would be a dream come true! Amazing coupe and a huge two fingers to the likes of oliver holt who are dismissing us as a selling club.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: manic-road on August 17, 2010, 08:51:25 AM
When we keep selling our best players, then we will be classed as a selling club.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 17, 2010, 08:54:20 AM
According to Mysteryman we were after Ireland regardless of Milner going anywhere. So maybe it isnt that far fetched. Man City could be petty and refuse to sell him to us if the Milner deal collapses, but I think with them once you're excluded they dont give a toss about you.
The treatment of Ireland (and Bellamy) should also be a flash warning to Milner. This is how they treat players who are supremely popular with their fans for the sake of buying another few flavours of the week.
I'm not expecting Milner to stay but if he did it would be marvellous. And hang any thoughts of losing money on him. We never planned to sell him anyway. You cant lose what you never planned for to begin with. I'd say tell them to suck our balls but I'm not holding the reins or purse strings. I dont even hold my own purse strings *shakes fist at distant Mrs Mazrim*.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2010, 08:58:42 AM
If Jimmy does go, I hope it's during Millie Clode's shift on Sky Sports News. She could tell me we'd sold him to Small Heath and I'd still enjoy it.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 09:01:34 AM
I'm going to afford myself a momentary glimpse of the dream scenario where Milner stays, perhaps signs a contract extension and then we go and sign Ireland anyway.
If you're going to dream, you may as well have the one I had last night. Milner stays, we rub Man City's nose in it buy signing Ireland, we get that Pelligrino fella in as boss who insists on keeping K-Mac as first team coach. New boss signs top striker. We are Top 4. On the way, it's 0-0 in the 93rd minute against Man City and Barry lines up for a penalty. Friedel saves, ball gets hacked to Ashley who runs through 5 Man City players, feeds Big John who lays it off to Milner to smash it home.
During this whole drama-filled last few mins, Kylie has her hand in my pocket, telling me that John Carew Carew isn't bigger than me at all.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: *shellac* on August 17, 2010, 09:06:23 AM
I'm going to afford myself a momentary glimpse of the dream scenario where Milner stays, perhaps signs a contract extension and then we go and sign Ireland anyway.
If you're going to dream, you may as well have the one I had last night. Milner stays, we rub Man City's nose in it buy signing Ireland, we get that Pelligrino fella in as boss who insists on keeping K-Mac as first team coach. New boss signs top striker. We are Top 4. On the way, it's the 0-0 in the 93rd minute against Man City and Barry lines up for a penalty. Friedel saves, ball gets hacked to Ashley who runs through 5 Man City players, feeds Big John who lays it off to Milner to smash it home.
During this whole drama-filled last few mins, Kylie has her hand in my pocket, telling me that John Carew Carew isn't bigger than me at all.
In her Facebook, Susan Boyle mentioned she has a dream quite similar to yours last night. She dreamt she was Kylie and was at Villa Park. Was you?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 09:19:39 AM
Thanks for pre-wrecking tonights dream for me!
In regard to Ireland being told to train with the reserves, I can't help but feel that Milner may reflect on this and wonder if this sort of humiliation will be his in a season or two. Let's not forget that Ireland was Man City's golden-balls. If it can happen to him - especially at the rate that they're trading players - it can happen to anyone.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 17, 2010, 09:24:21 AM
Way to repackage my posts Troy. Ya great galah!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: *shellac* on August 17, 2010, 09:28:40 AM
In regard to Ireland being told to train with the reserves, I can't help but feel that Milner may reflect on this and wonder if this sort of humiliation will be his in a season or two. Let's not forget that Ireland was Man City's golden-balls. If it can happen to him - especially at the rate that they're trading players - it can happen to anyone.
My pleasure :)
Not just Ireland as an example, he could look at Adebayor too. Probably behind Tevez & Balotelli in the striking option this season.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jembob on August 17, 2010, 09:29:52 AM
In regard to Ireland being told to train with the reserves, I can't help but feel that Milner may reflect on this and wonder if this sort of humiliation will be his in a season or two. Let's not forget that Ireland was Man City's golden-balls. If it can happen to him - especially at the rate that they're trading players - it can happen to anyone.
You can only imagine that Milner must be thinking that he's joining a real circus. Not only are they messing about with his transfer and humiliating some of their existing players, but Mancini's tactics at the weekend were clueless. Spurs should have really hammered them and if it wasn't for Hart it would have been a dreadful start to the season for Citeh. Their formation was almost MON-esque in the naivety of set up - play 433, with 3 slow holding midfielders in the centre and 3 forwards that don't track back. Utterly brainless although Milner might see himself as the link between midfield and attack.
Either way, Citeh are looking like becoming a machine that signs much of the brightest talent, squanders it and spits it out 2 seasons down the road. Players would be well compensated I'm sure but it's a couple of years wasted out of a short playing career and I can only see genuine guys like Milner being ground down by that sort of setup. Hopefully there's still time for him to change his mind.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on August 17, 2010, 09:37:31 AM
If Milner was being objective about it there are many reasons to think twice aabout joining City. - why have they prevaricated and arsed about when he is one of their 'top' targets this summer? - treatment of Bellamy (arguably their best player last year) and Ireland (player of the year twice) and Dunne before that - why did Adam Johnson (the next big thing) not get a start on Saturday? - will Milner get into the starting line up as often as he would at Villa? - they looked poor against Spurs at the weekend, so it may not be the all-conquering team many in the media expected - with that many 'top' players and big egos there is going to unrest there at some point this season, guaranteed.
All in all I think he could be perfectly correct to suspect his career will be better served by staying at Villa, especially in the short term. But is he being that objective?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 17, 2010, 09:37:36 AM
I'd still prefer Ireland plus £18 million.
MIlner's a great player but he's no Messi.
He wants to go, that's enough for me.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 17, 2010, 09:38:46 AM
This is what i dont get with Citeh
They throw huge amounts of money around on players that are simply not worth it then when a quality player of Milners ability is in the offing they are arguing the toss over money.
I did not hate them due to the windfall of money they have (like i did not begrudge Chelsea as deep down we all would have wanted it the same for us) but the way they have acted makes my blood boil - they really are chavs that have won the lottery - and guess what their pretty decent fans are now becoming as obnoxious as the United fans they used to hate.
I think it is all starting to fall apart at Wastelands new star striker with attitude problem states he does not want to be there, the Bellamy / Ireland issues that are done yet, Adebeyor rumbling about being 3rd choise, Given throwing his toys out
James if you are reading this then maybe in the future you will see that by staying with us you have had a lucky escape as i am sure all those ego's will come crashing down and they will bounce from amanager to manager until the Shieks get bored with it all
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mr Diggles on August 17, 2010, 09:40:25 AM
Even the Real Madrid 'galactico' experiment failed to a large degree, why would Milner think it would be any different at City when cracks of discontent, mismanagement, and general delusion is beginning to show?
If he goes there I have no doubt he will regret it in two or three seasons time when he is the next player that they banish to the reserves.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: midnite on August 17, 2010, 09:53:35 AM
They're making Chelsea's antics when they first got took over look like the model way to run a club. City don't have a clue! Mancini will be sacked by november and the new manager will want to spend £150 in the january window and sack off a load of players that are already there. Milner could be one of them. He really shouldn't go. Yes £18 million would be nice but i'd rather keep Milner.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 17, 2010, 10:04:09 AM
I can't help feeling that if we had a new manager in place or lined up that it might sway Milner's opinion to stay.
As it is there is a certain amount of instability at Villa, albeit with the feel good factor from Saturday.
But it was just one result. Even if K-Mac is to get the job, I think it would do us the world of good if Randy et al kept Milner in the picture.
If he does go to City, I cant see where he is going to fit in the team.
Mancini is playing with 3 'holding' midfielders. Cant see Milner being deployed there and besides they have about 5 players for there already.
The alternative is that he is one of the attacking 3, playing out wide. I think we all know how much better he is playing in the centre as he does for us.
I just dont see that position being available in City's team. It's one of the reasons Ireland is on his way out. Irrespective of the Milner deal, we should be looking to sign him and I think I will.
Also City have made some blunder letting it be known publicly what is holding up the Ireland transfer. They will have to cave in to some extent and once again they will have been taken for ransom in the glare of the media. They would have been far better off cutting a deal quickly with Ireland.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 17, 2010, 10:13:40 AM
Anyone see that Stuart James thing in the Guardian?
He tends to get these things right, must have a good contact or something. Anyway, seems Milner's set his own deadline on the deal, or he'll just stay. Have to say, if this isn't at least partially the result of the weekend's game I'll be very surprised. I can imagine that at the beginning of the summer there wasn't the greatest mood around the club, what with the pessimistic way we ended the season and MON's potential resignation. He then goes off for England duty and perhaps suspects that greener grass lies elsewhere when he sees players from other teams in far better spirits than those at Villa. He comes back, he hears about the situation with the wage bill, tells chairman, manager and chief executive that he wants to go, has a fall out with MON and doesn't play while the seemingly inevitable transfer takes its course. Then comes MON's resignation, and the liberating effect it has on the players. He finds that he's still at the club for the West Ham game, and plays his heart out, finding that the fans respond not only to him but to the rest of the exciting display, with plenty of promise for the future, while at the same time a joyless Man City scrape to a draw at White Hart Lane in a similar way to how we did last season, he hears of the way that the likes of Bellamy and Ireland have been treated, and thinks to himself that staying at Villa wouldn't be the worst thing in the world. So, still wanting in a perfect world to leave, he sets his deadline that he'll live by, whatever the consequences.
I still expect him to leave, as I can't believe Cook will risk upsetting Mancini this much (he's surely already pissed off everyone else at the club) by refusing to sanction a pay-off for Ireland that amounts to Yaya Toure in two months. Still, nice to see that they're as much of a madhouse as I'd hoped.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Hookeysmith on August 17, 2010, 10:19:22 AM
I think it would be ahuge boost to us if James came out and pledged his future with ut
Would be a huge confidence thing for randy, club, players and fans
Would make the obvious statement that all was not well at the club in MON's final months
Would show city up for the classless wankers we all knew they were
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: andrew08 on August 17, 2010, 10:22:10 AM
Also City have made some blunder letting it be known publicly what is holding up the Ireland transfer. They will have to cave in to some extent and once again they will have been taken for ransom in the glare of the media. They would have been far better off cutting a deal quickly with Ireland.
I don't understand this either. Why aren't they just doing the right thing ? Pay Ireland then buy Milner. It should be easy as they do have the mythical money printing machine
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: MattW on August 17, 2010, 10:22:31 AM
That's a big slab of conjecture Monty, but I happen to perceive something similar. I agree with you on Stuart James; I was pretty pleased when I saw that article posted this morning (Austn time)
Stevie Ireland was said to be “distraught” after being banned from training with the Manchester City first team on Monday.
The midfielder, whose demands for a £2m severance payment have held up a player-plus-cash deal for Aston Villa’s James Milner, was forced to work with the City reserves instead.
The club take the view that it doesn’t signify a breakdown in relationships with the player, and is just a result of Ireland not being named in City’s 25-man Europa league squad.
Ireland emerged from the Carrington training complex 15 minutes ahead of the rest of the squad, alongside first team coach David Platt.
Platt spoke to him and an onlooker said Ireland looked “distraught and was left scratching his head”.
After a ten-minute chat, Platt placed his arm around the player and walked to the reserves’ training pitch and left him there, to be joined by the second-string.
“He looked a bit embarrassed training with the reserves and was certainly not whole-hearted, not surprising as he was player of the year just two years ago” said the onlooker.
Craig Bellamy was also banned from training with the first team and has been allowed to remain at his South Wales home this week. He may train with Championship side Cardiff City, as he has previously when recuperating from injuries, and has reportedly been offered the captaincy to join the Bluebirds on a six-month loan.
Robinho also did not join first team training yesterday, although he is believed to have been given a light workout indoors.
The Brazilian, who has been linked with Turkish clubs Fenerbahce and Besiktas, has not had a break over the summer, returning from Brazil’s World Cup campaign to complete the domestic season on loan with Santos.
He then joined up with Brazil again for the international friendly in the USA last week before returning to City on Thursday.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 17, 2010, 10:25:30 AM
...........................and this thread started on the 17th May ..... ffs, what a novela it is ???
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 17, 2010, 10:28:02 AM
As Mark Kelly said, it's a novela in the Portuguese soap opera sense. It just goes on and on and on.
As for that Ireland being forced to train with the reserves, that's almost sick. 25-man squad or not, the guy's clearly a bit mentally fragile, and this is tant amount to trying to bully him out of City. I bet Cook is behind this, he's awful enough.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 17, 2010, 10:29:04 AM
Happy 3 month anniversary though.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TheMalandro on August 17, 2010, 10:37:27 AM
Ireland is probably in the best position out of all the people in this saga, I wouldn't be giving a rats ass about it.
I wouldn't move either, leave it until Jan. or next summer
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 17, 2010, 10:45:18 AM
That's a big slab of conjecture Monty, but I happen to perceive something similar. I agree with you on Stuart James; I was pretty pleased when I saw that article posted this morning (Austn time)
Stevie Ireland was said to be “distraught” after being banned from training with the Manchester City first team on Monday.
The midfielder, whose demands for a £2m severance payment have held up a player-plus-cash deal for Aston Villa’s James Milner, was forced to work with the City reserves instead.
The club take the view that it doesn’t signify a breakdown in relationships with the player, and is just a result of Ireland not being named in City’s 25-man Europa league squad.
Ireland emerged from the Carrington training complex 15 minutes ahead of the rest of the squad, alongside first team coach David Platt.
Platt spoke to him and an onlooker said Ireland looked “distraught and was left scratching his head”.
After a ten-minute chat, Platt placed his arm around the player and walked to the reserves’ training pitch and left him there, to be joined by the second-string.
“He looked a bit embarrassed training with the reserves and was certainly not whole-hearted, not surprising as he was player of the year just two years ago” said the onlooker.
Craig Bellamy was also banned from training with the first team and has been allowed to remain at his South Wales home this week. He may train with Championship side Cardiff City, as he has previously when recuperating from injuries, and has reportedly been offered the captaincy to join the Bluebirds on a six-month loan.
Robinho also did not join first team training yesterday, although he is believed to have been given a light workout indoors.
The Brazilian, who has been linked with Turkish clubs Fenerbahce and Besiktas, has not had a break over the summer, returning from Brazil’s World Cup campaign to complete the domestic season on loan with Santos.
He then joined up with Brazil again for the international friendly in the USA last week before returning to City on Thursday.
I think the way they treat the staff is disgusting
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on August 17, 2010, 10:49:05 AM
they really are chavs who have won the lottery...
totally devoid of any respect for anyone else...
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 17, 2010, 10:54:29 AM
It really isn't on. I have some sympathy with them over the Bellamy affair, but this is just punishing a guy for being forced out of the club. It makes no sense.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jembob on August 17, 2010, 11:02:42 AM
As Mark Kelly said, it's a novela in the Portuguese soap opera sense. It just goes on and on and on.
As for that Ireland being forced to train with the reserves, that's almost sick. 25-man squad or not, the guy's clearly a bit mentally fragile, and this is tant amount to trying to bully him out of City. I bet Cook is behind this, he's awful enough.
I enjoy the odd conspiracy theory, but could it be possible that Bluenose Cook could be messing us about to try and cause damage to the club? He may have ego enough to think that the protracted Milner saga has already caused MON's departure and now he's dragging it out even further to see what other mischief it will cause for us. Let's face it, they don't NEED Milner but probably think that we do need the money, and by finally coughing up for him at the last minute might just sabotage our plans to bring in other players. There again Cook could just be an asshole.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pablopicasso_10 on August 17, 2010, 11:04:17 AM
i think its a little from column a', and a little from column b' regarding garry cock...
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 17, 2010, 11:16:29 AM
Even better the way he's been treated, he'll be more determined to ram it up them.
It's looking possible that we might end up with Ireland and Milner. Imagine that?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TimTheVillain on August 17, 2010, 11:22:11 AM
What time do the team fly out to Vienna on Wednesday ? Any money no object supporters on here who are flying out on the team trip or does anybody know anyone ? Its a quick call from the airport before boarding the flight to let us know whether Milner is on it.
11.00 am
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 11:23:18 AM
Still up in the air according to post on Blue Moon from Mysteryman (who popped in a little anecdote about Dunne's signing, so it seems he is a source that's very close to the inner sanctum).
Best thing for us is that Ireland throws his toys out of the pram and puts in a transfer request. That'd be the green light for us to go get him and a big warning light for Milner on how they treat their players (although I'm sure he's already very aware of this)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 17, 2010, 11:23:50 AM
Even better the way he's been treated, he'll be more determined to ram it up them.
It's looking possible that we might end up with Ireland and Milner. Imagine that?
Unlikely. If they reach an agreement with Ireland that means he can go, then there's nothing to stop them meeting our asking price for him. However, there is a scenario where the deadline for Milner passes, we keep up our interest in Ireland and sign him while keeping Ireland. Unlikely, but it would be awesome in the extreme.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 11:24:31 AM
Oh and there's a press conference with Mancini on SSN at 1pm apparently. (I've no idea when 1pm is for you lot.)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 11:25:47 AM
Even better the way he's been treated, he'll be more determined to ram it up them.
It's looking possible that we might end up with Ireland and Milner. Imagine that?
Unlikely. If they reach an agreement with Ireland that means he can go, then there's nothing to stop them meeting our asking price for him. However, there is a scenario where the deadline for Milner passes, we keep up our interest in Ireland and sign him while keeping Ireland. Unlikely, but it would be awesome in the extreme.
It would but you'd imagine that once we've taken Milner off the table, their asking price for Ireland will be around........30 million!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mellin on August 17, 2010, 11:32:24 AM
Nah, Citeh are there for the taking regarding their unwanted players. Could probably have him for a bag of peanuts (have to make sure we don't lose him in there) if we saw fit.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 11:39:36 AM
Man City will really have to display a show of force with Ireland otherwise it'll just send out a signal to every other player that they've bought, who won't make this current squad or future squads, that they can hold the club to ransom if they're not paid out.
And I'll take a punt that they're going to have an awful lot of expensive merchandise that's awfully pissed off over the next few seasons. I'd even wager that someone will be putting his hand up next season for some early custard-money.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 17, 2010, 11:41:22 AM
Also, any money they get for Ireland is a profit as he came through their youth system...unlike Bellamy, Robinho or Santa Cruz who they are going to take a massive hit on.
If Mancini lets Ireland come to Villa and he is a success and then City struggle, there will be massive pressure on him from the fans.
Even though he is from Cork, I think the City fans regard him as one of their own because he came through the ranks and he certainly was a fans favourite.
I really hope it all blows up in their faces.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Monty on August 17, 2010, 11:44:01 AM
Just look at the transfer values being mooted. The deal has been reported as £16-18m + Ireland for Milner. Now, City think that that deal would be worth £26m, thus valuing Ireland at £8-10m. However, we wouldn't go for a deal of less than £30m value, so we seem to value Ireland at £12-14m. If we were to sign Ireland independently past the Milner deadline, I don't think we'd break our transfer record.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 17, 2010, 11:44:17 AM
Man City will really have to display a show of force with Ireland otherwise it'll just send out a signal to every other player that they've bought, who won't make this current squad or future squads, that they can hold the club to ransom if they're not paid out.
And I'll take a punt that they're going to have an awful lot of expensive merchandise that's awfully pissed off over the next few seasons. I'd even wager that someone will be putting his hand up next season for some early custard-money.
Barry should have known when he signed that after any modicum of success, he would be improved on. Barring injuries to other players I see him and his sizeble arse spending quite a bit of time on the bench this year.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2010, 12:15:14 PM
Man City will really have to display a show of force with Ireland otherwise it'll just send out a signal to every other player that they've bought, who won't make this current squad or future squads, that they can hold the club to ransom if they're not paid out.
They don't have a leg to stand on though. They should have known the risks when signing up players on high value long term contracts. If they didn't, tough.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on August 17, 2010, 12:17:40 PM
I just hope that Ireland continues to dig his heels in, Scuppers the deal. Thursday comes along Milner plays in Europe and the deal is off.
That will only be a positive (as someone else has said i think) if Milner signs a contract extension. Otherwise, we'll have a player with one year on his contract still wanting to leave.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: richardhubbard on August 17, 2010, 12:25:34 PM
If shitty lose next game I reckon Manwanki will be gone.
The dressing seems fractured with Given , Ireland and Bellamy
He has been fucking up the Milner deal
They were really shit on Saturday.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: mshurst on August 17, 2010, 12:27:52 PM
Back to Milner for a minute...
I think the reason Milner has released this ultimatum is because of MON. While MON was in charge he wanted to sell Milner to get the cash. He needed it and saw Milner as our highest earning single sale.
Now that MON has gone and KMac wants to 'start fresh' he wants Milner to stay in the squad. And I don't blame him. Although KMac has been with us for a long time I don't think he'd know which players to buy, thus using what he's got to its full potential. I seriously think with the younger players (Albrighton, Delfon, Clark, etc.) emerging as real threats we'll do alright this year. Don't get me wrong - I'd love some new signings but I think Albrighton and Delfon are really starting to get into PL football now. I was more than impressed with Albrighton on Saturday.
If we do get rid of Milner then it'd be a different story. But watching his reaction on Saturday when he scored he definitely looked like a player who did not want to go anywhere, and who can blame him? I'm ready for disappointment, but I can honestly see him staying now.
With regards to Ireland...
I think he should leave City, and he's clearly made it obvious he wants to. I don't blame him one bit for wanting £2m, he knows they have the money and he'll probably get it. And the end of the day, they pushed him out of the squad so he might as well take what he can.
With Ireland and Milner together then we'd have a seriously threatening midfield. Especially with the likes of Young, Downing (who played really well against the Hammers), Albrighton, Delph, etc., ready to play at any point I think we're seriously on to a winner.
The problem with Man City is this:
Good players don't make a team good. A good team does.
And, IMHO, if you've got 15 translators in your dressing room then something brown and smell is going to hit the fan.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pmk1981 on August 17, 2010, 12:28:45 PM
I just hope that Ireland continues to dig his heels in, Scuppers the deal. Thursday comes along Milner plays in Europe and the deal is off.
That will only be a positive (as someone else has said i think) if Milner signs a contract extension. Otherwise, we'll have a player with one year on his contract still wanting to leave.
He wont sign a new deal. He is probably best young midfielder in the country and we need to prove with him in the team how good we can be and actually achieve more than we did under MON . If we do I would imagine he may stay. This season key for villa in terms of Milner, Young, Gabby and likes of Albrighton and Clark. The future after Saturday COULD be very good
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 17, 2010, 12:29:51 PM
Man City will really have to display a show of force with Ireland otherwise it'll just send out a signal to every other player that they've bought, who won't make this current squad or future squads, that they can hold the club to ransom if they're not paid out.
They don't have a leg to stand on though. They should have known the risks when signing up players on high value long term contracts. If they didn't, tough.
Hmmmm, I know another club that apparently has a similar problem with players who have been replaced in the first team.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2010, 12:31:48 PM
See image of David Platt " explaining " to a very unhappy player
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeS on August 17, 2010, 12:35:55 PM
Having Milner and Ireland here would give us so many more midfield options and allow us to rotate the squad properly. The problem I foresee is that I dont think we have the money to pay his wages without offloading Sidwell, Beye and Heskey.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2010, 12:36:42 PM
Hmmmm, I know another club that apparently has a similar problem with players who have been replaced in the first team.
And who's fault is that I wonder?
Indeed. Not something which hints at financial prudence, either, being in an even remotely similar situation to Manchester City.
Of course, not all of our players need to be "replaced", either, as that implies they were actually used in the first place ...
Some of it is MON's fault, some is a by-product of going from 16th, to 11th, to 6th, and gradually being able to attract better players, as will be the case with Man City if they get any better.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2010, 12:38:37 PM
Having Milner and Ireland here would give us so many more midfield options and allow us to rotate the squad properly. The problem I foresee is that I dont think we have the money to pay his wages without offloading Sidwell, Beye and Heskey.
That's the thing that confuses me about the people who see doing something about the wage bill as tantamount to giving up, and going "sell to buy"
Surely, anyone can see that maybe, maybe if we'd offloaded Sidwell, Beye and Heskey, and got, what, 140k a week off the wage bill, that 140k could have been used to make Milner a super offer and pay Ireland's wages.
It's not just about reducing the bottom line, it must surely also be about making sure the right money goes to the right people. Which I think is pretty much word for word what the General said a while back.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on August 17, 2010, 12:39:06 PM
I wonder if there is a small hope Milner won't sign?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: sfx412 on August 17, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
Having Milner and Ireland here would give us so many more midfield options and allow us to rotate the squad properly. The problem I foresee is that I dont think we have the money to pay his wages without offloading Sidwell, Beye and Heskey.
That's the thing that confuses me about the people who see doing something about the wage bill as tantamount to giving up, and going "sell to buy"
Surely, anyone can see that maybe, maybe if we'd offloaded Sidwell, Beye and Heskey, and got, what, 140k a week off the wage bill, that 140k could have been used to make Milner a super offer and pay Ireland's wages.
It's not just about reducing the bottom line, it must surely also be about making sure the right money goes to the right people. Which I think is pretty much word for word what the General said a while back.
It Should be about all those things.
Is it though ?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 12:40:45 PM
Hmmmm, I know another club that apparently has a similar problem with players who have been replaced in the first team.
And who's fault is that I wonder?
Indeed. Not something which hints at financial prudence, either, being in an even remotely similar situation to Manchester City.
Of course, not all of our players need to be "replaced", either, as that implies they were actually used in the first place ...
Some of it is MON's fault, some is a by-product of going from 16th, to 11th, to 6th, and gradually being able to attract better players, as will be the case with Man City if they get any better.
That's true, they're not all rubbish, some of them did a job at the time, but how many would you say fall into the "not good enough for us any more" category (as opposed to "not really much good for us at any point" or "never really used much")?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2010, 12:47:00 PM
That's true, they're not all rubbish, some of them did a job at the time, but how many would you say fall into the "not good enough for us any more" category (as opposed to "not really much good for us at any point" or "never really used much")?
Of the Heskey, Luke Young, Sidwell, Shorey and Beye group, only Shorey would fall into this category for me. Good at the time, but was now surplus to requirements. At an absolute stretch, Sidwell, but I don't think he played often enough even at the start (injuries apart) to be considered a real first team player. I'm not sure how I'd classify Davies if i'm honest.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 17, 2010, 12:48:24 PM
Seem to forget that, it seems at least in the medium term, probably saving a bout £150K a week on a managers, and complete backroom, salary. Plus Shorey's on top.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: JJ-AV on August 17, 2010, 12:51:00 PM
Fee agreed, medical today - SSN
No mention of Ireland.
edit: yes there is, Ireland coming the other way. Medical today as well.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2010, 12:54:18 PM
Well, that's good news as well. Tada James, hello Steven.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: citizenDJ on August 17, 2010, 12:55:08 PM
Well, looks like that's that, then. I notice that the reporter who broke the news mentioned that Milner has been "desperate" to join City. Well, if that's the case, then I think it's probably best all round that it gets done and dusted now, and we move on. I hope Ireland can live up to his billing.........I think he will be excellent for us.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2010, 12:55:51 PM
See you James, I'm glad you got that game on Saturday to go out in the right manner.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: richardhubbard on August 17, 2010, 12:56:19 PM
Oh well, always thought Milner was overrated and talentless.
Joking - bye James , I think you made a mistake but thanks for last 2 years.
Hello Steven , I hope your prove to be as good as Dunne has been
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2010, 12:57:18 PM
I think Ireland will be great for us. He'll offer much more style to his place and his work rate is very good.
I'd like to think we'll still go on and sign a striker and sell some of the shit (Sidwell, Beye, Heskey)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mellin on August 17, 2010, 12:58:36 PM
Hopefully Saturday means we can avoid booing a good servant on his return.
Welcome to the Villa, Ireland.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2010, 12:58:43 PM
So that works out we've had Dunne & Ireland + £24m in exchange for Milner and Barry.
Thanks City.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 12:59:10 PM
Many indicators say that the deal will be done on Thursday whether Ireland is part of it or not.
What I'm wondering is if Randy can afford to let Milner go. And I'm not talking in the financial sense. Look at the difference in team morale, the tactical options it gives the manager (whomever he may be), the ability to attract players of a similar standing, the lift it will give the crowd, the message it will send out to other clubs as well as the media, season ticket sales....
EDIT: Whilst typing that, SSN made a nonsense of that.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: mrjae on August 17, 2010, 12:59:33 PM
Maybe Mr Lerner has had the clearout he wanted by putting MON in a position where he had no option but to walk. Sidwell has had some good games but just needs a run in the team. he is damn site better than reo-coker........
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2010, 01:00:07 PM
Potentially a great deal. Time will tell.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2010, 01:00:29 PM
Many indicators say that the deal will be done on Thursday whether Ireland is part of it or not.
What I'm wondering is if Randy can afford to let Milner go. And I'm not talking in the financial sense. Look at the difference in team morale, the tactical options it gives the manager (whomever he may be), the ability to attract players of a similar standing, the lift it will give the crowd, the message it will send out to other clubs as well as the media, season ticket sales....
Hang on, I'm not watching SSN but this suggests the deal has been done and will be completed today? So what are you on about?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2010, 01:02:18 PM
Many indicators say that the deal will be done on Thursday whether Ireland is part of it or not.
What I'm wondering is if Randy can afford to let Milner go. And I'm not talking in the financial sense. Look at the difference in team morale, the tactical options it gives the manager (whomever he may be), the ability to attract players of a similar standing, the lift it will give the crowd, the message it will send out to other clubs as well as the media, season ticket sales....
Hang on, I'm not watching SSN but this suggests the deal has been done and will be completed today? So what are you on about?
I don't think Troy is watching it either.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: citizenDJ on August 17, 2010, 01:02:48 PM
I think that's a good point, Troy, but I don't think it will be too disastrous. Most people (including players) know that, in truth, there really isn't much any club can do to stop Man City taking the players they want, especially if the player wants to go. Ireland is a good player, and seen by many as an ideal addition to the squad. I suppose of most interest now (well, aside from who the new manager will be, although that might not be unrelated!) is......will we spend that 'Milner Money'?!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 01:04:44 PM
Ha ha! Whilst I was typing, that 1pm press conference must have started (I told you I had no idea when it was 1pm for you).
Ah well. Let's hope Milner runs into Ireland in the car park, eh and the baldy bloke tells him all about Man City.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Risso on August 17, 2010, 01:05:03 PM
Come to think of it, wouldn't be overly surprised to see Milner back here one day.
Me neither.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: stevenjos on August 17, 2010, 01:14:56 PM
I feel a little hard done by.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mazrim on August 17, 2010, 01:15:29 PM
I cant pretend I'm anything but disappointed to see Milner go and the fact we couldn't tell them to fuck off in the end. I'm also very disappointed he feels he wants to go to that circus. But Ireland will do very well for us, I'm sure.
Delph will replace Milner when he's fit. But goodbye and good luck James. I wish you luck but your new "club" none whatsoever. When you want to come back, you'll be welcome as far as I'm concerned. We all make mistakes.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2010, 01:18:00 PM
After Sat I am gutted to see him go. He showed every reason why he is worth to them what they are paying, and when you watched their game against Spurs, they looked a Milner short in the middle of the park. De Jong, Barry and Toure are too static. Take De Jong out for Milner they will be a lot better.
However, I fear for Milner they will shove him out on the right.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Rob Gee on August 17, 2010, 01:18:10 PM
I'm pleased it's gone through, some have said they don;t want Ireland if he doesn;t 'want' to come to the Villa, personally I like the idea of a player coming with a point to prove and I think Ireland will fit in that bracket like Dunne did.
Ireland will bag a brace vs Man City, mark my words.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: TaxDodger on August 17, 2010, 01:18:30 PM
This is a good deal. Ireland is superman after all.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: maidstonevillain on August 17, 2010, 01:19:48 PM
Come to think of it, wouldn't be overly surprised to see Milner back here one day.
Me neither.
After his initial loan period, always felt he would come back. Somehow Villa and Milner seem to fit. So also would not be surprised to see him back in 2 or 3 years.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on August 17, 2010, 01:22:26 PM
So that works out we've had Dunne & Ireland + £24m in exchange for Milner and Barry.
Thanks City.
Ha ha, fools and their money are soon parted!
That is the fee then? £24 million plus Ireland?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeS on August 17, 2010, 01:24:37 PM
Dunne £6m Ireland £0
Barry £12m Milner £18m
Net to us £24m
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: not3bad on August 17, 2010, 01:26:34 PM
Oh right - so the Milner fee in isolation is £18 million plus Ireland.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2010, 01:27:32 PM
As much as we all love Milner, and he was every bit "James Milner" on Saturday, I'm glad this is coming to an end. We're getting a superb player in return and a lot of money.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2010, 01:28:19 PM
So that works out we've had Dunne & Ireland + £24m in exchange for Milner and Barry.
Thanks City.
Ha ha, fools and their money are soon parted!
That is the fee then? £24 million plus Ireland?
£18m reportedly. So, £18m + £12m for Barry and Milner = £30m, Ireland and Dunne coming our way, Dunne costing £6m (although I also heard it was £4.8m).
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 01:29:00 PM
From Mysteryman:
Quote
The undiscloed deal for Milner :
16.5 plus add ons will take it to 19. Plus Ireland, plus the 1.5 MILL to pay Ireland off.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: curiousorange on August 17, 2010, 01:29:54 PM
16.5 plus add ons will take it to 19. Plus Ireland, plus the 1.5 MILL to pay Ireland off.
And I though £10 for the Everton game was good value.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Mellin on August 17, 2010, 01:35:06 PM
Is that source reliable?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Jim Bradley on August 17, 2010, 01:39:02 PM
Nedum Onuah said at the end of last season (Soccer AM) that Ireland is the best player he has ever played with. Bearing in mind who was in the City squad last year and that he played with Milner in the U21s, not a bad bit of business.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: VillaAlways on August 17, 2010, 01:44:27 PM
Come to think of it, wouldn't be overly surprised to see Milner back here one day.
Probably in part exchange for Albrighton in 2 years
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Smithy on August 17, 2010, 01:45:11 PM
18 months ago Ireland was one of the hottest properties in the Premier League. He's had a quiet year since then, but if he can get back to that form we'll have signed on hell of a player.
I'm not convinced he's a direct Milner replacement (there aren't many who can do what Jimmy does over 90 mins, unfortunately), but he's an excellent addition to the squad for what is essentially an incredible fee.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Chris Jameson on August 17, 2010, 01:46:11 PM
Ah well. Let's hope Milner runs into Ireland in the car park, eh and the baldy bloke tells him all about Man City.
It's bloody great, you get paid cash beyond your wildest dreams not to kick a football and then because you've been so shoddily treated you can demand 2 million quid to leave and go and get paid squillions of pounds to kick a football for another team.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Darth Villa on August 17, 2010, 01:46:33 PM
I'm in a glass case of emotion. Last week I was quite happy for this deal to go through but after Saturday I was kinda hoping we'd keep hold of Jimmy. I think Ireland will be very good for us and with the money involved we got the best of the deal. I don't have any ill feelings towards Jimmy but I hope Citeh shrivel up and die like the dry cowpat that they are.
Welcome to a proper club Stephen you baldy loon!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Somniloquism on August 17, 2010, 01:54:22 PM
I don't get access to SSN at work but the Phone App for SSN news states that Milner joined Villa from Newcastle for £3.8mil in August 2008 so it has been a brillian bit of business. ::)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: midnite on August 17, 2010, 01:54:45 PM
I'm with you on that Darth Villa, after saturday i was hoping we might keep him. Never mind. Onwards and upwards. Ireland can do a good job for us. Not bad business at all. As some others have said, give it two years (or maybe until christmas when the new manager comes in for city) and we'll by him back at a cheaper rate.
Now that will be great business!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: ajmant on August 17, 2010, 01:56:12 PM
Gutted but inevitable.
Be interesting to see whether we get the opportunity to spend the money before the transfer window shuts given the fact Martin left us high and dry, but hope January does see us make some moves in the market.
I wish him all the best, its how football works, and I hope Ireland is a great success but I can't see him as a straight swap. You can't replace Milner that easily!!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Dave P on August 17, 2010, 01:57:39 PM
I'm in a glass case of emotion. Last week I was quite happy for this deal to go through but after Saturday I was kinda hoping we'd keep hold of Jimmy. I think Ireland will be very good for us and with the money involved we got the best of the deal. I don't have any ill feelings towards Jimmy but I hope Citeh shrivel up and die like the dry cowpat that they are.
Welcome to a proper club Stephen you baldy loon!
Agree 100% with this and extra marks for being at Lonstanton Spice Museum.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Darth Villa on August 17, 2010, 02:00:47 PM
I'm in a glass case of emotion. Last week I was quite happy for this deal to go through but after Saturday I was kinda hoping we'd keep hold of Jimmy. I think Ireland will be very good for us and with the money involved we got the best of the deal. I don't have any ill feelings towards Jimmy but I hope Citeh shrivel up and die like the dry cowpat that they are.
Welcome to a proper club Stephen you baldy loon!
Agree 100% with this and extra marks for being at Lonstanton Spice Museum.
The owl sanctuary is closed due to bad weather.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: eastie on August 17, 2010, 02:06:48 PM
Mancini just said he hopes it will be done in next 2 days and thinks ireland will be part of deal- so no further forward than a week ago really.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2010, 02:08:00 PM
Yes it's true...he's gone
Shitty will loan him out to Leeds as they have too many players and that is his home town!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2010, 02:11:11 PM
I just wish this would get finished.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: LeeS on August 17, 2010, 02:13:28 PM
ITSOTP. Old rule but a good rule.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: jonzy85 on August 17, 2010, 02:13:38 PM
Madness how much we are taking City for a ride with this deal.....my only concern is will we be able to spend the 18 million on new players this window??
If so, will we have to wait for the new manager to be appointed or will K-Mac be allowed spend or alternatively, I wonder were there deals set up while MON was still here that may go through now??
Title: Re: The Milner Novela
Post by: Bottom Right 89 on August 17, 2010, 02:13:55 PM
I don't get access to SSN at work but the Phone App for SSN news states that Milner joined Villa from Newcastle for £3.8mil in August 2008 so it has been a brillian bit of business. ::)
Yep and wasn't Ashley Young about 500k from Watford? Mindue can't blame some kid who sits behind Millie Clode all day getting his facts wrong occasionally.
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2010, 02:16:01 PM
Madness how much we are taking City for a ride with this deal.....my only concern is will we be able to spend the 18 million on new players this window??
If so, will we have to wait for the new manager to be appointed or will K-Mac be allowed spend or alternatively, I wonder were there deals set up while MON was still here that may go through now??
I'd rather we didn't spend it if we don't get a new permanent manager in and I'm perfectly happy with Kevin Mac in charge for the time being and so happy to go with the squad we've got, even if we were to lose a couple of those deemed 'surplus to requirements'.
The squad , if used correctly, has a good balance to it, a bit of depth and would be better served with a bit of freshening-up in January in my opinion.
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Post by: olaftab on August 17, 2010, 02:18:52 PM
Seeing as we didn't get 30 million we need to ensure this thread doesn't make it to 300 pages! >:( ;D
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Post by: PaulTheVillan on August 17, 2010, 02:19:09 PM
I would really like us to spend the £18m or part of it on Robbie Keane and Flamini.
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 17, 2010, 02:20:22 PM
18 months ago Ireland was one of the hottest properties in the Premier League. He's had a quiet year since then, but if he can get back to that form we'll have signed on hell of a player.
I'm not convinced he's a direct Milner replacement (there aren't many who can do what Jimmy does over 90 mins, unfortunately), but he's an excellent addition to the squad for what is essentially an incredible fee.
Couldn't agree more, Smithy. I really think we've got Ireland on the cheap.
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Post by: UK Redsox on August 17, 2010, 02:22:44 PM
I think that's a good point, Troy, but I don't think it will be too disastrous. Most people (including players) know that, in truth, there really isn't much any club can do to stop Man City taking the players they want, especially if the player wants to go. Ireland is a good player, and seen by many as an ideal addition to the squad. I suppose of most interest now (well, aside from who the new manager will be, although that might not be unrelated!) is......will we spend that 'Milner Money'?!
Very unlikely we'l spend money until theres a new manager, we already have a very big squad anyway so theres no panic. Hasnt it already been established though that there needs to be a clearout of the players on vastly inflated wages before adding to the wage bill?. Other than a like for like replacement for a key player like Milner obviously.
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Post by: Mellin on August 17, 2010, 02:28:25 PM
Maybe Mr.Lerner thought that O'Neill had been given enough money & there will be a kitty for a new manager.
So Lerner is going to entice the cream of management by giving them a cat? Purfect!
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Post by: Mr Diggles on August 17, 2010, 02:40:54 PM
Goodbye Milner - you were quality mate, could have been a legend.
Welcome Ireland - I am very excited by this guy. Up till last year this guy was the best young thing in the premiership - I remember thinking when Ashley Young won the Young Player of the Year award it was robbed from Ireland. He can be a very special player for the Villa, and he's now got a massive point to prove. Brilliant stuff.
And cash! Those City directors are complete and utter f'n idiots.
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Post by: themossman on August 17, 2010, 02:41:46 PM
Whoever it is won't be able to be choosy with two weeks to go. Maybe better to just keep tab(by)s on players till January.
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Post by: themossman on August 17, 2010, 02:43:50 PM
Says it all him and bellamy getting shipped out in the same week. And that's 3 recent players of the year (IMO) cast aside in a year.
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Post by: flybo on August 17, 2010, 02:45:22 PM
Good luck james and welcome Ireland
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2010, 02:47:07 PM
Maybe Mr.Lerner thought that O'Neill had been given enough money & there will be a kitty for a new manager.
A possibilty.
I would have thought for sure. It would be almost impossible to hire any reputable manager these days and offer them nothing to spend. I would imagine that the funds for MON had strings attached, and also that the board's patience with him had run thin. The new bloke will still need to shift some players, but he'll get some money to bring in a few new faces.
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Post by: eastie on August 17, 2010, 02:52:18 PM
Bit premature- deal hasn't gone through yet and Mancini oy said he thinks Ireland will be part of the deal and hopes it will go through on weds- far from a done deal yet!
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 17, 2010, 02:56:10 PM
my only concern is will we be able to spend the 18 million on new players this window??
My concern is how much of the £18 million will we be spending on new players. This is why MON left?
I would suspect that the same conditions may not now apply. MON had paid silly amounts and silly wages for players he was not using, and may have been told he had got to offload the surplus before he could have the money to spend. KMac or the new management may have more leeway in the medium term, because it is not a problem of their making.
Also RAL may want to demonstrate to the media circus, and other clubs, that he has not necessarily put the brakes on spending, and that we are not a selling club, but that he had simply put the brakes on MON because he was out of control.
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Post by: Pete3206 on August 17, 2010, 03:00:27 PM
Enjoy the bench Milner and wherever City ship you off to on loan next season.
Still, you'll always have the money.
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Post by: SteveD on August 17, 2010, 03:01:41 PM
Of more likely, no he can't have the money...we'veput the brakes on spending.
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2010, 03:02:40 PM
Of more likely, no he can't have the money...we'veput the brakes on spending.
How did you work that one out?
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Post by: D.boy on August 17, 2010, 03:05:51 PM
Well it's pretty much a done deal so I'm working on the assumption Milner is going. Milner has been a true professional during his time here. Can't fault his attitude and workrate and once city started talking telephone numbers as wages anyone would have their head turned so can't really blame him. However one player does not make a team. It would be great if we get him back in a couple of years but time will tell.
Ireland is a very good player and the deal is very good for our club. I think we will see the best from him and the fact he has a point to prove will motivate him even further. I don't feel we need to rush out and spend the cash and we may be better off banking it and once the new manager is in place then use it in January.
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 17, 2010, 03:08:56 PM
Wish they'd hurrry up and ITSOTP Ireland.
I've gotta do some work and there's no chance I'm doing it before this is confirmed now!
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Post by: Olneythelonely on August 17, 2010, 03:10:21 PM
They even have absolute arsehole moderators - courtesy of ManCityForum.com
not the brightest are they?
still, i suppose thats what happens when youre the junkie bastard offspring of a crack addicted whore...
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Post by: LeeS on August 17, 2010, 03:22:47 PM
I am really looking forward to seeing SI make his debut. There is nothing like a new signing to pique the interest.
All the best Jimmy. It was fun while it lasted.
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Post by: TheSandman on August 17, 2010, 03:33:44 PM
Bye James: You could have been a legend but you still did a good job for us.
Welcome Steve: Hope you are as good for us as you were for City two seasons back.
I know they are paid millions of pounds annually but the way Mancini, Spoonface and Cock treat their players is shocking. If I was in Ireland or Bellamy's position I'd just train with the kids and see out a fat and well paid contract as a fuck you to them. Really hope it doesn't happen to James as he doesn't deserve that. What I do hope is that they continue to play as shit as they did on Saturday.
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 17, 2010, 03:35:23 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 17, 2010, 04:14:44 PM
what a nut. I'm sure he's a little more mature now, but there's going to be some interesting stories I'm sure
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2010, 04:19:48 PM
To be fair to him, he's never caused any trouble at city (from what I can gather). There were special circumstances around Grannygate (although it was badly handled, you can't really blame the guy).
The big minus is the whole business with the Irish squad. Such a shame he isn't playing, as we would have qualified for the World Cup if he was there. Still, as long as he does the business for the villa i don't care.
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Post by: Olneythelonely on August 17, 2010, 04:21:22 PM
This is a good deal. Ireland is superman after all.
Im sure that was Johnson
no Ireland was superman with the superman pants and the bed sheets (mtv cribs)
I was thinkin of Johnson when he scored and dropped his trousers and he had superman pants on
You were thinking Johnson, but it was Ireland.
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Post by: cheltenhamlion on August 17, 2010, 04:30:15 PM
See you Jimbo. All the best and let's hope you come home in the future.
Great deal for Villa for so welcome aboard Steve.
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Post by: Somniloquism on August 17, 2010, 04:32:01 PM
Quote from: Man-kini on SSN
Mancini hopes to sign Milner by Wednesday at the latest, saying: "I hope we can close it between today and tomorrow. I think Milner is a good player, an English player - which is important. I think he can play in different positions."
So he doesn't know much about Milner?
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Post by: BILL DE VALL on August 17, 2010, 04:34:07 PM
so it seems that its all over... only the medicals to pass the Manc citie team will now look a lot better :( hopefully SI will realise it's time to buckle down and work his pants off again and again show their transfer policy to be daft(see Dunne)
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Post by: toplad4u on August 17, 2010, 04:43:13 PM
Mancini hopes to sign Milner by Wednesday at the latest, saying: "I hope we can close it between today and tomorrow. I think Milner is a good player, an English player - which is important. I think he can play in different positions."
So he doesn't know much about Milner?
Maybe he's thinking Milner back up to Hart as goal keeper and now he can sell Given to Fulham certainly wouldn't past O'neil if he was there Manager!
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Post by: villajk on August 17, 2010, 04:59:10 PM
SSN showing Ireland arriving at Bodymoor Heath.
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Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2010, 05:01:35 PM
Good stuff, welcome Stephen hope you're awesome for us.
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Post by: beness on August 17, 2010, 05:02:08 PM
How much we getting?
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Post by: villajk on August 17, 2010, 05:04:45 PM
He's in personal talks.
No idea how much we're getting.
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Post by: Monty on August 17, 2010, 05:11:53 PM
Idiot, in a way. You see Mancini saying "he can play in many positions" - that's how they view him, as a shift-him-about dogsbody, not the central fulcrum of the midfield.
Goodbye, James. You're making a mistake in my view, as you may win things short-term but you damn sure won't be first choice. You're not a holding player, for one thing.
Oh God, he's going to make him a holding player, isn't he! Oh well.
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 17, 2010, 05:13:18 PM
The big minus is the whole business with the Irish squad. Such a shame he isn't playing, as we would have qualified for the World Cup if he was there. Still, as long as he does the business for the villa i don't care.
Or you could see it as a bonus that one of our players won't be travelling around Europe on international duty every few months.
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Post by: Can Gana Be Bettered!?!? on August 17, 2010, 05:17:49 PM
And football has died. Man City paid stupid money to buy a player because they could. No other reason. Just because they could.
Fuck off City and, though I didn't think I'd say this because he's great, fuck off Milner.
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Post by: TheSandman on August 17, 2010, 05:18:49 PM
Idiot, in a way. You see Mancini saying "he can play in many positions" - that's how they view him, as a shift-him-about dogsbody, not the central fulcrum of the midfield.
Goodbye, James. You're making a mistake in my view, as you may win things short-term but you damn sure won't be first choice. You're not a holding player, for one thing.
Oh God, he's going to make him a holding player, isn't he! Oh well.
I agree. I was saying to someone at the weekend that they wouldn't do anything with Mancini in charge as he is way, way too negative. That's before you get onto them having a load of unhappy players and some troublesome guys there in Balotelli and Adebayor. My two cents is that they are building in entirely the wrong way. Instead of bringing in decent good players like Milner as well as up and coming talents like Johnson they've brought in players on big money, with bad attitudes and reputations far beyond their talents.
Also, I was absolutely perplexed that he picked Shite-Phillips the headless chicken ahead of Johnson to start at the weekend.
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Post by: Ger Regan on August 17, 2010, 05:22:18 PM
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Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2010, 06:02:03 PM
Bye James, you selfish, ambitious, over-rated, big-eared nephew of Lee Evans.
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Post by: eastie on August 17, 2010, 06:03:01 PM
Glad we had a chance both ways to pay our respects to James on Saturday and for him to thank us - very few clubs have fans with the class to give that ovation to him and a special moment!
Good luck to James and welcome Stephen , I wish both well!
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Post by: stevenjos on August 17, 2010, 06:04:36 PM
Good luck James, shall we start a new thread on who will be our next player of the season to go?
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Post by: Dave on August 17, 2010, 06:07:32 PM
Bye James, you selfish, ambitious, over-rated, big-eared nephew of Lee Evans.
Seriously? Only the last one can really be justified. You can't criticise him for being ambitious, I don't think his actions are any more selfish than you or I looking for another job and as for over-rated, well I think he's a bigger loss to our team than a gain for theirs.
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Post by: garyshawsknee on August 17, 2010, 06:29:55 PM
Its just a shame that he's not getting the best advice for his career,which would be to stay with us where he'll be a big fish,compared to City where he probably wont play every game. Every pundit i've heard,from the good ones to the bad ones say its not the right move for him.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 17, 2010, 06:35:52 PM
Well to me it's £43m, because if Milner is worth £25m so is Ireland.
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Post by: john e on August 17, 2010, 06:40:33 PM
whats the difference between Milner and Barry, apart from one gave us 10 years service and the other a couple ?
one said he wanted to leave for CL football and still hasnt found it, both left for more money, both will cite ambition to win trophies both Wanted to leave
Milner was a good player for a short time for us, Barry was the best player we've had over the last 10.
both served the Villa well, but in the years to come i will remember Barry more fondly than Milner
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Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 17, 2010, 06:51:09 PM
Apart from money. Why did James want to move there. Aston Villa is a bigger club than Manchester City, they are just a rich club.
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Post by: saunders_heroes on August 17, 2010, 06:51:31 PM
whats the difference between Milner and Barry, apart from one gave us 10 years service and the other a couple ?
one said he wanted to leave for CL football and still hasnt found it, both left for more money, both will cite ambition to win trophies both Wanted to leave
Milner was a good player for a short time for us, Barry was the best player we've had over the last 10.
both served the Villa well, but in the years to come i will remember Barry more fondly than Milner
Agreed. And Barry had the decency to explain his reasons for leaving as well. Unlike Milner who has come across as a bit snide and sneaky in all this.
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Post by: cb on August 17, 2010, 06:56:38 PM
To be fair to him, he's never caused any trouble at city (from what I can gather). There were special circumstances around Grannygate (although it was badly handled, you can't really blame the guy).
The big minus is the whole business with the Irish squad. Such a shame he isn't playing, as we would have qualified for the World Cup if he was there. Still, as long as he does the business for the villa i don't care.
It's no shame for us. I'm glad we'll have an international class player, who won't be playing international football. The Irish team can go and fuck themselves as far as I'm concerned.
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Post by: Michel Sibble on August 17, 2010, 06:58:43 PM
Oh, come on! Milner's now a money-grabbing ***t and Barry's a Villa legend?
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Post by: saunders_heroes on August 17, 2010, 07:05:54 PM
Oh, come on! Milner's now a money-grabbing ***t and Barry's a Villa legend?
Barry gave us 11 years service. Milner buggered off after 2 years. I know who I'll more fondly remember.
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Post by: kippaxvilla2 on August 17, 2010, 07:07:53 PM
If this deal happens it will be the deal of this and other summer. For this I do congratulate Mr Lerner. Even though no one truly knows whether the new manager would fancy Ireland, it's a decent risk to take.
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Post by: TheSandman on August 17, 2010, 07:22:47 PM
Oh, come on! Milner's now a money-grabbing ***t and Barry's a Villa legend?
Barry gave us 11 years service. Milner buggered off after 2 years. I know who I'll more fondly remember.
I'll remember Milner more fondly because I was no Barry fan.
In all fairness, and it is easy to forget, but for a good number of those years Barry was superb. The events leading up to his departure has tainted the memory.
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Post by: newtonsballs on August 17, 2010, 07:50:29 PM
Its just a shame that he's not getting the best advice for his career,which would be to stay with us where he'll be a big fish,compared to City where he probably wont play every game. Every pundit i've heard,from the good ones to the bad ones say its not the right move for him.
When he moved from Newcastle to the Villa his agent was the PFA and advised him to put in a transfer request. Is his agent now not the PFA, but one of those vile parasites who live off the talent of others?
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2010, 07:53:20 PM
whats the difference between Milner and Barry, apart from one gave us 10 years service and the other a couple ?
one said he wanted to leave for CL football and still hasnt found it, both left for more money, both will cite ambition to win trophies both Wanted to leave
Milner was a good player for a short time for us, Barry was the best player we've had over the last 10.
both served the Villa well, but in the years to come i will remember Barry more fondly than Milner
Agreed. And Barry had the decency to explain his reasons for leaving as well. Unlike Milner who has come across as a bit snide and sneaky in all this.
Decency?
Barry's explanation was laughable. I seem to remember one of the reasons he cited was that he had to play in his best position week in, week out in a World Cup year. As if he didn't with us.
Much rather they say nothing, like Milner, than trot out a load of bollocks to disguise the fact they're seeing dollar signs, personally.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: eamonn on August 17, 2010, 08:11:21 PM
Bye James, you selfish, ambitious, over-rated, big-eared nephew of Lee Evans.
Seriously? Only the last one can really be justified. You can't criticise him for being ambitious, I don't think his actions are any more selfish than you or I looking for another job and as for over-rated, well I think he's a bigger loss to our team than a gain for theirs.
If the fact that he'll be earning twice as much, even if he's not a regular starter, is the clincher in his decision, he's being selfish. If it's the thought that he has a better chance of winning silverware he's being ambitious. The answer is probably both, had to cover all bases. ;)
He's taking a gamble. Loyaltly doesn't really exist in football anymore, fair enough but the hard-work he's put in with us is what I'd expect from any player putting on the Villa shirt. You don't always get that but I don't see it as a reason to make him out to be a virtuous fella. He did his job, even if only for half the length originally agreed - we've been good for him but now he's gone so I couldn't care less how he gets on in the future.
I still think we're getting the better part of the deal. If Ireland has his head right we'll barely miss Milner.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: mozza on August 17, 2010, 08:18:27 PM
Didn't take Citeh long to mess JM about and he hasn't become their employee yet .......
He is having to wait in the queue whilst a 'youth' player is in the scanner at the hospital
You're going to regret this James
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 17, 2010, 08:26:30 PM
whats the difference between Milner and Barry, apart from one gave us 10 years service and the other a couple ?
one said he wanted to leave for CL football and still hasnt found it, both left for more money, both will cite ambition to win trophies both Wanted to leave
Milner was a good player for a short time for us, Barry was the best player we've had over the last 10.
both served the Villa well, but in the years to come i will remember Barry more fondly than Milner
Agreed. And Barry had the decency to explain his reasons for leaving as well. Unlike Milner who has come across as a bit snide and sneaky in all this.
Decency?
Barry's explanation was laughable. I seem to remember one of the reasons he cited was that he had to play in his best position week in, week out in a World Cup year. As if he didn't with us.
Much rather they say nothing, like Milner, than trot out a load of bollocks to disguise the fact they're seeing dollar signs, personally.
Yeah keep your gob shut and be a snide greedy bastard like James Milner.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 17, 2010, 08:35:47 PM
I am sorry to see him go.
He didn't want to be here and he moved on, Modern players these days don't have any loyalty. Still we got ireland and some cash so onwards and upwards!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: supertom on August 17, 2010, 08:41:46 PM
I'm not convinced Miln is a money grubbing nobhead. I know he'll be paid an obscene amount, but I guess he feels he'll win a trophy at City before he does here.
I also have no doubt that had he been told to see out his contract here, that he may not have liked it, but on the pitch, he'd always give 110%. He went up in my estimation on saturday. He shouldn't really have played. It was tough to be called upon I bet, but he was superb. As per usual bust a gut and covered every blade.
I also think Milner is about as far away from the fancy dan types as you can get. He doesn't strike me as someone who could spend frivelously like Ashley "Penis" Cole. I struggle to think how he's gonna spend his millions. He's not gonna be running up 5000 grand bar tabs, getting every fancy must of car of the moment, keeping a line of bitches around him.
Good luck to him, thanks for the service, and we've got a hell of deal out of him.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: ozzjim on August 17, 2010, 08:54:41 PM
His Aston Martin is nice though.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 17, 2010, 08:55:50 PM
Yeah keep your gob shut and be a snide greedy bastard like James Milner.
Or mutter some unconvincing platitudes to the press and be a snide greedy bastard like Gareth Barry?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: andrew08 on August 17, 2010, 08:59:25 PM
The Man Citeh thing hasn't got going really yet I don't think either.they're only buying off us and Everton. They haven't yet bribed out a real biggy from the big boys.
As for JM good luck, we'd all secure our kids future if we could.just don't give us the I've always loved citeh badge kissing bxxxxks
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Salsa Party Animal on August 17, 2010, 09:03:57 PM
Man City will never sign the like of Zidanes, Kakas, Ronaldo, Maldinis, Xavi and co. They can only spend on B list stars players.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: saunders_heroes on August 17, 2010, 09:05:10 PM
Yeah keep your gob shut and be a snide greedy bastard like James Milner.
Or mutter some unconvincing platitudes to the press and be a snide greedy bastard like Gareth Barry?
i wasnt really taking sides, for me both players served us well, Barry might have said things that people dont like, but my wifes said worse to me over the years and she's still with me, you do say things that with hindsight you regret later, i have so have you.
most importantly its what they did on the pitch, and Barry did it for 10 years or more, if you were picking out the great players over the last decade that played for Villa Barry would be right up there with Melberg, but not Milner because he wasnt around long enough,
that doesnt mean to say he didnt perform while he was here, he did, especially when in centre mid, but he will not be in the same league as Barry when the history books are written about Villa in the last decade
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Matt C on August 17, 2010, 09:40:03 PM
Ozil for £12m or Milner for £28m?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 17, 2010, 09:41:35 PM
He only had a year left on contract, but that is the value you get in Europe.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: pmk1981 on August 17, 2010, 09:47:09 PM
just seen the greedy shite on ssn coming out of medical, all smiles and £££ in his eyes. hope he enjoys sitting on the bench :-)
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: mozza on August 17, 2010, 09:51:04 PM
Comes out of hospital and signs a kid's BARRY shirt
Who next Citeh - Albrighton ?
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Matt Collins on August 17, 2010, 09:56:58 PM
Time to look forwards. How is Ireland going to slot into our team? And do we think we are getting a happy player?
He seems to have played his best football in the most advanced of a midfield 3, behind a lone striker. Can he play the more withdrawn role Milner played on Saturday? My guess is he could play in Young's position, with NRC or someone similar behind, or in Milner's position when we're playing weaker teams. But we'll need to see him in action to tell.
As to whether he's happy to come, I'd probably assume not. But hopefully he'll feel he has something to prove.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: atomicjam on August 17, 2010, 10:10:04 PM
From the Guardian:-
James Milner £26m transfer completes Manchester City's bonanza summer
A remarkable day of transfer business, even by the modern-day standards of Manchester City, concluded tonight with James Milner finally checking in from Aston Villa, Stephen Ireland going in the opposite direction in return, and Craig Bellamy dropping down a division to join Cardiff City on a season-long loan.
On the day that English football's most powerful spenders paraded Mario Balotelli, the £22.5m signing from Internazionale, the manager, Roberto Mancini, said he would not stand in Shay Given's way if he wants to leave Eastlands now that Joe Hart has been established as City's first-choice goalkeeper.
Roque Santa Cruz has also been formally removed from the 25-man squad submitted to Uefa for Thursday's Europa League qualifier against Timisoara, his place going to Balotelli so that the 20-year-old Italian can make his debut.
Milner's first appearance in the most expensively assembled squad in the Premier League will come against Liverpool on Monday evening. The England international travelled to Manchester this afternoon after City finally reached a compromise over the payoff for Ireland that was holding up the deal.
Ireland will receive around half of the £2m he was holding out for. He was at Villa's training ground to meet his new team-mates as the £8m makeweight in a £26m player-plus-cash exchange. Both players have already agreed personal terms and an official announcement will be made tomorrow, on the condition that they both pass a routine medical examination.
The signing of Milner comes after a three-month pursuit, revealed by the Guardian in May, that has indirectly led to Martin O'Neill's resignation as Villa's manager because of his dissatisfaction about the amount of money the club's owner, Randy Lerner, was willing to free up for new players.
Milner, Villa's player of the year, is likely to be the final arrival of another summer of extensive incomings and outgoings at City, with Balotelli, Yaya Touré, Jérôme Boateng, Aleksandar Kolarov and David Silva also being added to the squad at a total cost of £126m.
At the same time, Mancini seems intent on phasing out the players signed by his predecessor, Mark Hughes, with Santa Cruz and Given both in line to leave before the transfer window closes on 1 September.
City are negotiating with at least two clubs about a possible move for Robinho, with Besiktas established as one of the potential buyers even though reports in Turkey of a delegation flying to England are premature.
Robinho, citing fatigue after the World Cup and the conclusion of the domestic Brazilian season, has been training alone in City's gymnasium since returning from his six-month loan arrangement with Santos last week, and he, like Given, has informed the club he wants to leave.
Given, the Republic of Ireland international, confirmed as much during a brief meeting with Mancini yesterday and is a target for Hughes now the former City manager is in charge at Fulham.
The proposal is for Given to move to Craven Cottage on loan and, in turn, their goalkeeper, Mark Schwarzer, would be allowed to join Arsenal, where he is wanted to replace Manuel Almunia. Other clubs, however, are interested in Given, described by Mancini last season as being among the top five keepers in the world.
"I hope Shay can stay with us but I respect whatever his decision is," Mancini said this afternoon. "I hope he stays as we are involved in four competitions and we need a strong squad but we will respect it if he wants to leave, and I cannot change his decision."
Fulham, using agents as intermediaries, have also contacted City about Santa Cruz but it is a measure of how far the Paraguayan striker's stock has fallen on the back of an injury-wrecked first season in Manchester that, as yet, there have been no formal bids for the former Blackburn Rovers player.
As for Bellamy, he has been looking for a new club since the breakdown of his relationship with Mancini, but his move to Cardiff represents a considerable surprise given that the Wales international captain had the chance to join Celtic as well as several Premier League clubs, including Sunderland, Fulham and Everton. Tottenham Hotspur were also interested but City ruled that out on the grounds they did not want to sell to one of their competitors for the Champions League places.
City are waiting for the results of tests to ascertain the seriousness of the ankle injury that Kolarov aggravated during Saturday's goalless draw at Tottenham. He and Boateng, who missed the trip to White Hart Lane with a knee problem, were unable to train today, and that could mean a recall for Joleon Lescott, possibly as left-back.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Apyadg on August 17, 2010, 10:11:13 PM
Criticize him as much as you like but he gave everything every week even when he knew he was leaving. He is the best player we've had on the last decade and he'll go on to he the best england has.
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 17, 2010, 10:16:49 PM
Good move all round. I think he could be to Citeh what Lampard was to Chelsea.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: midnite on August 17, 2010, 10:21:34 PM
Mancini's comments were interesting. Being english is very important and that he can play in different positions... So Milner, how does it feel to only be there because they need the quota of english players and that you'll only be playing as a make shift fall back or sub for david silva?
Good luck, we'll see you back in a villa shirt next season when you've got bored.
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Post by: usav on August 17, 2010, 10:25:30 PM
Mancini's comments were interesting. Being english is very important and that he can play in different positions... So Milner, how does it feel to only be there because they need the quota of english players and that you'll only be playing as a make shift fall back or sub for david silva?
I'd have Milner in the team over Silva any day of the week.
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Post by: midnite on August 17, 2010, 10:28:46 PM
Maybe so, but silva wont be sitting on the bench though
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: villan1975 on August 17, 2010, 10:31:28 PM
within the guardian article is the crux of the whole milner leaving villa debate as mancini is trying to get rid of hughes`s signings and in turn when mancini fails because of the bottom feeders he has signed for cash and cash alone wont gel and in turn milner will become surplus to requirements.milner who listening to mancini today will be a squad player that can play in "many positions" when in fact milner imo was only successful in the villa side in the middle and was completely obliviuos out wide where mancini will play him.it is a damn shame he has left for him and for us but as stated b4 we now need to move on with our new player ireland who may have a great season and become our player of a year and then become of interest to the next man shitty manager!
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Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 17, 2010, 10:34:44 PM
My ever-growing hatred for Man City has gone up about 237 steps. I cannot believe the shit that gets dribbled out on their discussion boards. They truly are lotto-winning chavs who don't see the irony that they've become everything they hated in Man Utd.....minus any silverware.
The paradox is that they're buying new players and discarding old ones like it's a slave-trade.
On the plus side, I honestly think that their level of classlessness has brought us a few steps closer to the day that football finally eats itself and gets puked back in the form that it should be. A day I very much look forward to.
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Post by: midnite on August 17, 2010, 10:35:22 PM
Yeah, you're right, tis time to close up, move in and cheer on Ireland. Make him proud to be playing for the villa!
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 17, 2010, 10:35:32 PM
within the guardian article is the crux of the whole milner leaving villa debate as mancini is trying to get rid of hughes`s signings and in turn when mancini fails because of the bottom feeders he has signed for cash and cash alone wont gel and in turn milner will become surplus to requirements.milner who listening to mancini today will be a squad player that can play in "many positions" when in fact milner imo was only successful in the villa side in the middle and was completely obliviuos out wide where mancini will play him.it is a damn shame he has left for him and for us but as stated b4 we now need to move on with our new player ireland who may have a great season and become our player of a year and then become of interest to the next man shitty manager!
Aaaaaaaaaand relax!
I can see them shoving him out on the right wing. What a waste.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 17, 2010, 10:36:22 PM
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Maybe so, but silva wont be sitting on the bench though
What will he be doing then, a bit of painting? He isnt fit to lace Milners boots. Just a pissweight overrated little spanish berk.
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Post by: john e on August 17, 2010, 10:36:33 PM
Maybe so, but silva wont be sitting on the bench though
Why, bet Milner makes more apearances during the season than silva
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Post by: midnite on August 17, 2010, 10:38:18 PM
I hope so. I just think silva will get the nod. He'll be their heskey. LOL!
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Post by: villan1975 on August 17, 2010, 10:43:56 PM
i hope we are not alone in this but apart from the obvious team that needs to be beat for pride there is no team i want us to beat more than the pure chavness that is man f***in shitty.we can but hope that every team in the land feels the same and wherever they go they have a torrid time from players and fans alike!
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Post by: Villafirst on August 17, 2010, 10:44:33 PM
Criticize him as much as you like but he gave everything every week even when he knew he was leaving. He is the best player we've had on the last decade and he'll go on to he the best england has.
I agree. As much as it hurts to see him go to that classless load of shite, you can't really blame him. It's a short career, and let's face it, he has a greater percentage chance of landing medals with a mega-rich club. Villa will simply not break the top four with the current strategy. If we finish sixth yet again, I'll be happy with that. But, I do think we'll see a lot more entertainment this year under Kevin Macdonald and perhaps a cup win thrown in. Ireland is simply a stunning signing with £18M on top! Stupid, more money than sense Arab owners! I entirely agree with SAF over their moronic kami-kaze spending!!
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Shrek on August 17, 2010, 10:45:43 PM
You are all forgetting, with the homegrown rule Milner and Barry are under less threat than the many foreign players at the club.
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Post by: Monty on August 17, 2010, 10:46:49 PM
You are all forgetting, with the homegrown rule Milner and Barry are under less threat than the many foreign players at the club.
They will be in the squad, most likely, but they can put out an all non-English XI if they want.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: Holtemeister on August 17, 2010, 10:54:57 PM
The current strategy is our only strategy and we only have that because we have such a good owner..... get used to losing our best players while football is in this self destruct mode ..... appreciate Young, Albrighton and Clarke while you can because as sure as eggs are eggs they will be gone as soon as a stupid bid comes in.
There comes a point where its just plain daft to say no !!!!
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 17, 2010, 10:55:47 PM
I'd put money on their starting midfield being: De Jong, Toure, Milner, Johnson and Silva by the end of the season.
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 17, 2010, 10:59:22 PM
The current strategy is our only strategy and we only have that because we have such a good owner..... get used to losing our best players while football is in this self destruct mode ..... appreciate Young, Albrighton and Clarke while you can because as sure as eggs are eggs they will be gone as soon as a stupid bid comes in.
There comes a point where its just plain daft to say no !!!!
Unless we use the Milner money to reinvest cleverly long term and improve and then get to the stage where we don't have to sell anymore?
Spurs did it, they lost Carrick, Berbatov and Keane for £70million. Now they've the likes of Modric signing 5 year deals despite interest from Man Utd.
We've brought in £40million for Barry and Milner. And reinvested £12m of it back in on Dunne and Ireland.
That's the sort of business that will get us into the top 4 long term, IMO. Knowing when to let go.
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Post by: stevenjos on August 17, 2010, 11:19:09 PM
So has anyone else noticed that Randy that has gone back on his word? Or is it just me?
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Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 17, 2010, 11:25:27 PM
The current strategy is our only strategy and we only have that because we have such a good owner..... get used to losing our best players while football is in this self destruct mode ..... appreciate Young, Albrighton and Clarke while you can because as sure as eggs are eggs they will be gone as soon as a stupid bid comes in.
There comes a point where its just plain daft to say no !!!!
Unless we use the Milner money to reinvest cleverly long term and improve and then get to the stage where we don't have to sell anymore?
Spurs did it, they lost Carrick, Berbatov and Keane for £70million. Now they've the likes of Modric signing 5 year deals despite interest from Man Utd.
We've brought in £40million for Barry and Milner. And reinvested £12m of it back in on Dunne and Ireland.
That's the sort of business that will get us into the top 4 long term, IMO. Knowing when to let go.
Spot on.
If you can't do it the Man Citeh way (and there is no guarantee that their method will prove successful) you have to re-evaluate and come back with a fresh approach. It's not just about selling the family silver for the sake of it.
Trading at profit as per Spurs and a whole host of other similar sized clubs across Europe manage is the most practical way forward.
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Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on August 17, 2010, 11:56:41 PM
Greedy selfish modern footballer nothing more nothing less
Not having a pop, but we regularly (me included) moan about the lack of loyalty shown by current pros, but would it have been different in the past if the same circumstances applied?
In the past the power was with the clubs and they (often) gave players a poor deal.
Power in the modern game has shifted to players, so (perhaps) they do what most of us would do and look out for ourselves - which of us would turn down twice the money for doing the same job in a location 100 miles away? (especially during a 10-15 year career).
The common thread is the mis-management of football clubs by people with money who are often poorly qualified to run football clubs. In the past they gave a poor deal to players (and fans), now fans are still getting a poor deal but at the top end the players are taking some/all of the riches football generates.
I don't like where football is right now - concentration of riches in the hands of a few, serving SKY, but I don't blame the players (collectively) - even if some of their number are as individuals are scumbags.
Title: Re: The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296
Post by: dave.woodhall on August 18, 2010, 12:02:02 AM
Greedy selfish modern footballer nothing more nothing less
Not having a pop, but we regularly (me included) moan about the lack of loyalty shown by current pros, but would it have been different in the past if the same circumstances applied?
In the past the power was with the clubs and they (often) gave players a poor deal.
Power in the modern game has shifted to players, so (perhaps) they do what most of us would do and look out for ourselves - which of us would turn down twice the money for doing the same job in a location 100 miles away? (especially during a 10-15 year career).
The common thread is the mis-management of football clubs by people with money who are often poorly qualified to run football clubs. In the past they gave a poor deal to players (and fans), now fans are still getting a poor deal but at the top end the players are taking some/all of the riches football generates.
I don't like where football is right now - concentration of riches in the hands of a few, serving SKY, but I don't blame the players (collectively) - even if some of their number are as individuals are scumbags.
Good point. I remember Eric Houghton, possibly our greatest-ever servant, saying that if he was a player at the time he was speaking he'd move every couple of years. And this was in the eighties, when a good wage was measured in hundreds rather than tens of thousands.
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Post by: alan_clarke on August 18, 2010, 12:14:13 AM
I could accept it if Milner were going to Man Utd for a nice pay increase and a real chance to play champions league football this season.
As it is, he is going to Man City for a large pay increase and no other immediate benefits as far as I can see. Probably at the detriment of his career.
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Post by: Mellin on August 18, 2010, 12:38:19 AM
The current strategy is our only strategy and we only have that because we have such a good owner..... get used to losing our best players while football is in this self destruct mode ..... appreciate Young, Albrighton and Clarke while you can because as sure as eggs are eggs they will be gone as soon as a stupid bid comes in.
There comes a point where its just plain daft to say no !!!!
Unless we use the Milner money to reinvest cleverly long term and improve and then get to the stage where we don't have to sell anymore?
Spurs did it, they lost Carrick, Berbatov and Keane for £70million. Now they've the likes of Modric signing 5 year deals despite interest from Man Utd.
We've brought in £40million for Barry and Milner. And reinvested £12m of it back in on Dunne and Ireland.
That's the sort of business that will get us into the top 4 long term, IMO. Knowing when to let go.
Was thinking exactly this earlier today, with Spurs as the example. As long as we keep replacing quality with quality, which I reckon we've managed in one transfer here, we'll be getting stronger all the time.
Odd.
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Post by: DANNYG on August 18, 2010, 12:59:35 AM
jog on James....Money talks again I seriously dont think we will miss him with Stephen ireland in the team the boys pure class on his day ask any city supporter and ill bet there quite sad hes gone even with the influx of stars arriving at eastlands my citeh mates think he should have been given a fair crack of the whip, player of the season the other year, fans favourite and only 24........saying all this he could be another stanley victor collymore but should be interesting anyway........
Greedy selfish modern footballer nothing more nothing less
Not having a pop, but we regularly (me included) moan about the lack of loyalty shown by current pros, but would it have been different in the past if the same circumstances applied?
In the past the power was with the clubs and they (often) gave players a poor deal.
Power in the modern game has shifted to players, so (perhaps) they do what most of us would do and look out for ourselves - which of us would turn down twice the money for doing the same job in a location 100 miles away? (especially during a 10-15 year career).
The common thread is the mis-management of football clubs by people with money who are often poorly qualified to run football clubs. In the past they gave a poor deal to players (and fans), now fans are still getting a poor deal but at the top end the players are taking some/all of the riches football generates.
I don't like where football is right now - concentration of riches in the hands of a few, serving SKY, but I don't blame the players (collectively) - even if some of their number are as individuals are scumbags.
Good point. I remember Eric Houghton, possibly our greatest-ever servant, saying that if he was a player at the time he was speaking he'd move every couple of years. And this was in the eighties, when a good wage was measured in hundreds rather than tens of thousands.
Makes less sense now though. How many Aston martins can James Milner drive at any one time?
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Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 18, 2010, 02:51:23 AM
Thinking about it on the way home from taking the kids to school and I've realised that, although you do get attached to certain players - and Milner moreso than most because he just gave his all every game, like you or I would - they are not the heart and soul of the club. The fans, the history, the culture, the environs in which we support our club are the heart and soul.
If players so willingly ditch one club for another in the chase for further fortunes, then why should we, as fans, give them any kind of emotional buy in? It's hard not to, for sure, when you see home-grown talent like Albrighton coming through but, as sure as night follows day, he'll be off too when brighter lights (and bigger dollars) turn his head.
Perhaps it's time that we became more like Arsenal....use players like they use us - as a stepping stone to something better. Get 'em in young, make the most of their talent for as long as we can, sell them on and pump a much larger percentage of the profits than what we are now into much a better scouting arrangement and, can you imagine, an even better youth set-up.
Perhaps it's time that we stop giving our love to the person in the shirt as much as the shirt itself. Players come and go. They always have, they always will. The shirt, however, remains.
Yes, good luck, James. I hope you get what you want out of Man City. And I hope we get what we bargained for out of Stephen Ireland. In a short time, he'll be moving on as well, hopefully replaced by someone even better. The wheel turns. We've all been saying for some time that that wheel will eventually come off it's hinges. Might be next season, might be in 100 seasons. Who knows? So maybe it's time we stopped trying to push against that wheel and go with it. Embrace that, on one hand, we've lost a great player, but on the other we've gained so much more.
I have faith in our owner that he can find this delicate balance between nurturing the heart and soul of our club and running a competitive business. I suspect that much of the reason that why Man City fans have become so obnoxious in regard to their new found wealth is to hide the sadness that oil money is, indeed, washing the soul of their club away.
And what remains when this money runs out?
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Post by: Caiphus on August 18, 2010, 06:36:25 AM
Thinking about it on the way home from taking the kids to school and I've realised that, although you do get attached to certain players - and Milner moreso than most because he just gave his all every game, like you or I would - they are not the heart and soul of the club. The fans, the history, the culture, the environs in which we support our club are the heart and soul.
If players so willingly ditch one club for another in the chase for further fortunes, then why should we, as fans, give them any kind of emotional buy in? It's hard not to, for sure, when you see home-grown talent like Albrighton coming through but, as sure as night follows day, he'll be off too when bigger lights (and bigger dollars) turn his head.
Perhaps it's time that we became more like Arsenal....use players like they use us - as a stepping stone to something better. Get 'em in young, make the most of their talent for as long as we can, sell them on and pump a much larger percentage of the profits than what we are now into much a better scouting arrangement and, can you imagine, an even better youth set-up.
Perhaps it's time that we stop giving our love to the person in the shirt as much as the shirt itself. Players come and go. They always have, they always will. The shirt, however, remains.
Yes, good luck, James. I hope you get what you want out of Man City. And I hope we get what we bargained for out of Stephen Ireland. In a short time, he'll be moving on as well, hopefully replaced by someone even better. The wheel turns. We've all been saying for some time that that wheel will eventually come off it's hinges. Might be next season, might be in 100 seasons. Who knows? So maybe it's time we stopped trying to push against that wheel and go with it. Embrace that, on one hand, we've lost a great player, but on the other we've gained so much more.
I have faith in our owner that he can find this delicate balance between nurturing the heart and soul of our club and running a competitive business. I suspect that much of the reason that why Man City fans have become so obnoxious in regard to their new found wealth is to hide the sadness that oil money is, indeed, washing the soul of their club away.
And what remains when this money runs out?
Makes too much sense, unfortunately fans' passion for football is emotional not logical. Still I have rarely heard it put better.
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Post by: BannedUserIAT on August 18, 2010, 07:02:55 AM
That's only because you live in some backwater that lacks any kind of culture, my friend. ;)
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Post by: griffo104s on August 18, 2010, 07:39:29 AM
Milner ended last season on a high, ended up as the PFA young player of the year, went to a world cup and actually came away with his head held high unlike so many others.
He's been an excellent player for us and we've been good for his career no doubt about that. there's too much money at Man city and his head has been turned. There are much better football experts than myself stating this isn't the best football move for him but he'll be on silly money at a club who don't seem to actually know what direction they are going in, unlike Chelsea when Mourinho turned up.
I watched spurs completely outplay them on Saturday and sat there wondering where exactly does Milner fit in to this shambolic mess, which with Hart and Kompany on the day they would have been given a good hiding by a team who play far better football.
Barry played 11 years for us and deserved his chance to move on, very few players outside on the Man Utd old guys stay that long at a club that has been trophyless for that amount of time.
Milner has had one very good season, we've doubled our money on him and in return we get a player, who if he finds the form he had two seasons ago, we'll be an excellent addition to our squad.
Let's get on with it and push forward, one player doesn't make a team and our final memories of Milner will of him having an excellent final game and proved he didn't need to do a Yorke and soil his time at the club.
Good luck to him at Man City (he will need it), and good luck to Ireland who can maybe enjoy playing a bit of football now.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 18, 2010, 07:45:00 AM
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Post by: willywombat on August 18, 2010, 08:22:01 AM
Bang on the money for me there Troy. My love for Aston Villa FC has very little to do with the players anymore, the old adage that no-one is bigger than the club has never been more true.
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Post by: Countryside Villain on August 18, 2010, 09:14:08 AM
I was thinking about my dislike for City when I recalled this article from a few weeks back. Part of the usual pre-season ramblings about how the teams will do. I found the City entry to epitomise the arrogance that I despise in them
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Manchester City
The problem for City this season is that we are fast becoming the club everyone wants to hate, rather than everyone's second team. Well I've got news for you, we don't want to be underperforming lovable old City. The only reason for disliking us is because we have money. Well sorry, but we don't care what you think. Nobody will ever win the league without money. How much did Man United pay for Berbatov? QED. Realistically, who can finish above us? Chelsea are struggling with the new Uefa rules on homegrown players, Man United haven't improved their ageing squad, while Arsenal and Liverpool would both struggle to finish in the top half if the league were slightly stronger. Last season 5th Prediction 1st
The new boys We've bought the best attacking left midfielder in Europe – David Silva; the best young defender in Germany – Boateng; the best box-to-box midfielder in the world – Yaya Touré; and the best left-back in Europe, bar Ashley Cole, in Kolarov. What's not to be excited about?
Men to watch Everyone. The only problem will be keeping them all happy. It remains to be seen whether we field different Premier League and Europa League teams.
Best youngsters Anga Dedryck Boyata should carry on from last season and put pressure on Kolo Touré, Kompany, Lescott and Boateng – or not.
Target for the boo-boys City fans have long grown out of booing their own players . We leave that to Arsenal to boo all their former favourites – who play for us.
Hate figure Man United and Spurs generally. Hopefully, this year we'll rise above the irrational hatred of other clubs and just support our own team.
Title winner Manchester City
Going down Blackpool, West Brom, Newcastle
From The Observer (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/08/observer-fans-predictions-premier-league)
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Post by: Shrek on August 18, 2010, 09:15:57 AM
So has anyone else noticed that Randy that has gone back on his word? Or is it just me?
What do you mean?
Yes, I'm looking forward to hearing this pearl of wisdom.
A pearl necklace of controversial opinion, no doubt.
He's so edgy and dangerous.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2010, 09:27:24 AM
Well MON's gone now and you have to keep your eye in.
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Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2010, 09:29:05 AM
For arguments sake, lets take Jimmy's transfer value as £26m. Most of you think he's not worth that, right? Well, I do.
When I see him play, I see a young Steven Gerrard. Great athleticism and strength, mixed with an ability to score and create goals. If you take what he did in the 2nd half of last season and extrapolate it out over 38 games, then that's what I would be expecting from him. If you further take into account the fact he's relatively new to the role and has age on his side, that further demonstrates exactly how good a player Man City are getting. Plus he does have the added benefit of an impeccable on field attitude. Imagine the performance he put in against West Ham, but him doing that for a full season? Easilly a £26m footballer by today's standards.
The irony of it is, he'll never be that player at Man City, as he'll be in and out of the side and in different positions. At a club like ours, we'd build the team around him (well, him and Ash) and he'd become a legend here.
I suppose it's like buying a Ferrari, sticking it in the garage and then only driving it rarely to the shops and back. It's worth what you paid for it, but you'll never get your money's worth out of it.
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Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2010, 09:31:12 AM
So has anyone else noticed that Randy that has gone back on his word? Or is it just me?
What do you mean?
Yes, I'm looking forward to hearing this pearl of wisdom.
Well, I'm expecting an expansion of the 'MON wants to sell Milner' theory now that he's resigned and we're still flogging Jimmy.
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Post by: john e on August 18, 2010, 09:37:12 AM
footballers have always moved on,
Andy Gray Alan Mcanaly David Platt Dwight Yorke Gareth Barry
James Milner,
thats just a few i have seen move on, money has changed football in a bad way, and maybe players are less loyal now than they were, but its still not a new thing to lose our better players,
by the way of the above list Yorkie was the most painfull
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Post by: Mr Diggles on August 18, 2010, 09:52:53 AM
So has this deal gone through or not? I'm just wondering if Stephen Ireland has been named part of the squad for Thursday night - does anyone know whether he'll be too late for that?
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Post by: mshurst on August 18, 2010, 10:00:58 AM
They don't hang around taking him off the squad list, do they?
Andy Gray Alan Mcanaly David Platt Dwight Yorke Gareth Barry
James Milner,
thats just a few i have seen move on, money has changed football in a bad way, and maybe players are less loyal now than they were, but its still not a new thing to lose our better players,
by the way of the above list Yorkie was the most painfull
I'm surprised that people are still expecting players to have much loyalty when it's just a job for them. The only people which have loyalty to a football club are the fans.
Milner has had his head turned by wealth and perhaps a bit of glamour and who could really blame a young bloke for chasing that? More than likely he'll be on £6M per annum and probably twice what he'll get at VP so the temptation is going to be great. We might like to think that he's not going for football reasons, however we all know that Citeh will continue to piss money up the wall on superstars and there must be an attraction to be able to play with some of the world's most talented players, even if they can't play as a team.
He probably made up his mind to go at the end of last season and while he had a storming end to it, we didn't really play much attractive football, and at the time looked like continuing with the same tedious style into this one. At that time the case for going to Citeh would have been quite compelling for him although I do wonder if he had his doubts towards the end. Perhaps things had gone too far for him to change his mind.
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 18, 2010, 10:10:36 AM
In reference to the earlier tribute video of ireland, i know anyone can look good on youtube........ But if we get anything like that player, what a deal we have just done. Two of his defence splitting passes had me a bit hot and bothered. Lets really get behind this guy.
He has the potential to be as good as any in this league
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Post by: stevenjos on August 18, 2010, 11:04:03 AM
Just remember Randy telling the press at the end of the season that Milner wasnt leaving thats all.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 18, 2010, 11:09:04 AM
I was thinking about my dislike for City when I recalled this article from a few weeks back. Part of the usual pre-season ramblings about how the teams will do. I found the City entry to epitomise the arrogance that I despise in them
Quote
Manchester City
The problem for City this season is that we are fast becoming the club everyone wants to hate, rather than everyone's second team. Well I've got news for you, we don't want to be underperforming lovable old City. The only reason for disliking us is because we have money. Well sorry, but we don't care what you think. Nobody will ever win the league without money. How much did Man United pay for Berbatov? QED. Realistically, who can finish above us? Chelsea are struggling with the new Uefa rules on homegrown players, Man United haven't improved their ageing squad, while Arsenal and Liverpool would both struggle to finish in the top half if the league were slightly stronger. Last season 5th Prediction 1st
The new boys We've bought the best attacking left midfielder in Europe – David Silva; the best young defender in Germany – Boateng; the best box-to-box midfielder in the world – Yaya Touré; and the best left-back in Europe, bar Ashley Cole, in Kolarov. What's not to be excited about?
Men to watch Everyone. The only problem will be keeping them all happy. It remains to be seen whether we field different Premier League and Europa League teams.
Best youngsters Anga Dedryck Boyata should carry on from last season and put pressure on Kolo Touré, Kompany, Lescott and Boateng – or not.
Target for the boo-boys City fans have long grown out of booing their own players . We leave that to Arsenal to boo all their former favourites – who play for us.
Hate figure Man United and Spurs generally. Hopefully, this year we'll rise above the irrational hatred of other clubs and just support our own team.
Title winner Manchester City
Going down Blackpool, West Brom, Newcastle
From The Observer (http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/aug/08/observer-fans-predictions-premier-league)
If we were in their shoes I'd make that bloke sound like Gandhi.
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Post by: Dr Butler on August 18, 2010, 11:09:20 AM
Just remember Randy telling the press at the end of the season that Milner wasnt leaving thats all.
I'm not sure but I think Randy just said that he was not for sale.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2010, 11:10:01 AM
He said he'd do everything to keep him. He did for all we know and he got top dollar for him when he conceded that he wanted off. There was no "word" to go back on. I doubt Randy is any less disappointed than we are.
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Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2010, 11:19:02 AM
At times you just have to accept that a player wants to leave. To make him stay in those circumstances is cutting your nose to spite your face, so you do what Randy did - get the best deal possible for the club!
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Post by: pmk1981 on August 18, 2010, 11:30:36 AM
whats going on ??? i thought this transfer would of been sorted this morning !!
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 18, 2010, 11:32:57 AM
At times you just have to accept that a player wants to leave. To make him stay in those circumstances is cutting your nose to spite your face, so you do what Randy did - get the best deal possible for the club!
This
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Post by: pmk1981 on August 18, 2010, 11:36:38 AM
At times you just have to accept that a player wants to leave. To make him stay in those circumstances is cutting your nose to spite your face, so you do what Randy did - get the best deal possible for the club!
This
i know, just that all the medicals were yesterday and now we are hearing nothing.....
has it all gone through ?
Is ireland flying to vienna ?
.........
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Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2010, 11:37:03 AM
whats going on ??? i thought this transfer would of been sorted this morning !!
It's done. Nothing ever gets announced before midday at the earliest.
but i wanna know noooooooowwwwwwww !!
(( pmk1981 does an oniel )) big paddy, babys pram,, TOYS EVERYWHERE !! :-)
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Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2010, 11:44:36 AM
O'Neill is only a relatively small paddy.
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Post by: pmk1981 on August 18, 2010, 11:50:35 AM
LOL
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Post by: sfx412 on August 18, 2010, 12:17:10 PM
Milners scan results won't be available until later today and the deal won't go through until :)
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Post by: john e on August 18, 2010, 12:29:14 PM
as good as Milner was, he's not the sort of player you build a team around, he ended up our best player because MON's team was functional and not very exciting, the only 'get you out of your seat' player was Ashley Young, and he had a calmer season last term.
Milner should be the Des Bremmner in the side , the worker, in the City side he will be the 'water carrier', every team needs one, and they are important, but they are replaceable.
but you dont build the side around the water carrier, you build it around a Cowans or a Mortimer a Platt etc
thats what we need, hopefully Ireland will step up, but we are in desperate need of a bit of ceative quality, i'm hopefull that can be addressed now
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Post by: lovejoy on August 18, 2010, 12:46:05 PM
O'Neill's team finished sixth in the Premier League this season Aston Villa owner Randy Lerner has confirmed that Martin O'Neill is staying as the club's manager after the pair held talks on Tuesday.
There had been rumours that O'Neill, 58, was ready to walk away, with the former Celtic boss said to be unhappy at Lerner's transfer policy.
"I think next year will be exciting and worthwhile and I look forward to it," said Lerner.
Lerner added that midfielder James Milner will be not be leaving the club.
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Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2010, 12:52:37 PM
I think those are statements of intent as opposed to 'promises'. For instance, I don't think Randy was misleading us by saying Martin was staying on as manager, when he has no control over him walking out.
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Post by: DrGonzo on August 18, 2010, 12:56:47 PM
Yes the 12th of May, before Barry had a word in the pre World Cup friendlies. Before Milner told MoN that he wanted to go to City. Randy was only repeating the words of the manager who was telling him that Milner wasn't leaving, as well as telling him that HE wasn't leaving. Do you think Mr Lerner holds face to face meetings with all the players? Or just his manager??
The only people at fault here are the pricks at City who believe they will get whatever they want. Let's just get it over with and concentrate on what is to come.
'If it were done when 'tis done, then 't were well it were done quickly.'
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Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2010, 12:56:57 PM
Where does Randy give his word that Milner will not be leaving?
He simply said "But I don't worry about him leaving because he is wanted at this club. We will do everything in our power to keep him".
I personally have no issues with that. They did everything they could short of holding the player against his will. Which they've said time and time again they will not do. He was never "for sale" he was never encouraged to leave. We even risked the deal collapsing completely by playing him.
Sorry, Randy going back on his word is utter bollocks.
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Post by: boboonthecorner on August 18, 2010, 01:07:21 PM
as good as Milner was, he's not the sort of player you build a team around, he ended up our best player because MON's team was functional and not very exciting, the only 'get you out of your seat' player was Ashley Young, and he had a calmer season last term.
Milner should be the Des Bremmner in the side , the worker, in the City side he will be the 'water carrier', every team needs one, and they are important, but they are replaceable.
but you dont build the side around the water carrier, you build it around a Cowans or a Mortimer a Platt etc
thats what we need, hopefully Ireland will step up, but we are in desperate need of a bit of ceative quality, i'm hopefull that can be addressed now
Perfectly summed up.
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Post by: cb on August 18, 2010, 01:12:04 PM
No Knives drawn, just confused why he ever said anything along those lines really.
Because life in general is dynamic and always changing. Randy meant it at the time, but a number of things led to him changing that position. Would it have been better if he had stuck to his guns, kept the player who is ultimately disgruntled, and turned down a deal no other club would ever have offered simply out of principle? Even principle has limits. This is a fabulous deal for the club. We're losing one very good player, but getting another with a lot of money thrown in.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 18, 2010, 01:23:28 PM
It is widely thought that we have come away with the better deal here.
Stephen Ireland is a VERY VERY good player - capable of scoring more goals than Milner and to linking attack with defence extremely well.
We have handled these dealings very professionaly from what I can make out.
Is that important anymore though ??
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Post by: Villa'Zawg on August 18, 2010, 01:38:01 PM
I understand perfectly well why we chose to do the deal but it's not true to say we couldn't have simply refused Man City's request to buy a player who was less than half way through his contract. In fact it is almost de rigueur for big deals to be drawn out over a season or more these days.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2010, 01:38:38 PM
I understand perfectly well why we chose to do the deal but it's not true to say we couldn't have simply refused Man City's request to buy a player who was less than half way through his contract. In fact it is almost de rigueur for big deals to be drawn out over a season or more these days.
How much more drawn out did you want it to be, and at what point does all of the speculation just end up being a distraction to the club and player? Yes, we could have refused the deal, but I don't see how that could have made any sense. You're playing with fire to an extent, because I don't think any other club would have been able to offer this package. If Man City pulled the deal, then you're left with a player who is pissed off. That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. No club, not even Man U can stand in the way of players wanting to leave. You just have to get the very best deal if they are under contract which they did for Ronaldo, and we did for Milner.
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Post by: damon loves JT on August 18, 2010, 02:02:36 PM
Ronaldo is a good analogy.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 18, 2010, 02:10:03 PM
We have handled these dealings very professionaly from what I can make out.
Is that important anymore though ??
Yes, I think it is. Look at the way we managed to prise Delph away from Leeds; done on our reputation for being honourable, if the post-deal press is to be believed.
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Post by: Mellin on August 18, 2010, 02:34:06 PM
We have handled these dealings very professionaly from what I can make out.
Is that important anymore though ??
Yes, I think it is. Look at the way we managed to prise Delph away from Leeds; done on our reputation for being honourable, if the post-deal press is to be believed.
Well Leeds seemed happy enough to go to the media praising the way we conducted the transfer.
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Post by: pmk1981 on August 18, 2010, 02:41:52 PM
Milner and Ireland are different types of players. Irelenad i beleive will get more goals and more assists but will prob not cover as much ground as milner did. Have reocoker and petrov sat behind him and we will be laughing !!!! Cracking deal for the villa even though im sad to be seeing milner go and sit on the bench for man city im chuffed we have a player who has the ability to be a star for the villa !!!!! Big Kev Mac for the job !!!!
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Post by: villa for life on August 18, 2010, 02:48:30 PM
Give me a break, Milner won't be sitting on the bench, not after the first month, anyway. Milner is about as close as you can get to a "sure thing" when it comes to being a new acquisition for a club. He's been good, verging on brilliant for a number of years now unlike say Roque Santa Cruz who has done it for one season. Milner will be one of the best players in the premiership for the next decade, a bit like Giggs and Scholes. Having said that, due to his contract situation, I do agree with his sale.
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Post by: supertom on August 18, 2010, 02:53:51 PM
Ireland knows how to put a shift it, so we're thankfully not getting a lazy sod in Milner's place. Granted, in comparison to Milner, Ireland is positively Dalian Atkinsonesque, but many are. What Milner does have over Ireland is consistency...right now anyway. With us, Ireland will hopefully flourish as Dunney Monster has. I also don't think Milner will be as good for City as us, because he's gonna be playing without the same freedom he had here. He was our heartbeat and our main man for a season. Whereas at City, he's got to fit in amongst a host of "Stars."
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Post by: maidstonevillain on August 18, 2010, 02:54:17 PM
Milner and Ireland are different types of players. Irelenad i beleive will get more goals and more assists but will prob not cover as much ground as milner did.
But he won't need to if we play like we did on Sat. I believe the way we played under MON made Milner look better than he is, although I accept Milner still looked very good on Sat.
It also made Petrov look worse than he is, as well as knackering him out after 65 mins.
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Post by: pmk1981 on August 18, 2010, 03:01:15 PM
Milner and Ireland are different types of players. Irelenad i beleive will get more goals and more assists but will prob not cover as much ground as milner did.
But he won't need to if we play like we did on Sat. I believe the way we played under MON made Milner look better than he is, although I accept Milner still looked very good on Sat.
It also made Petrov look worse than he is, as well as knackering him out after 65 mins.
very true my man, very true
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 18, 2010, 03:05:35 PM
Milner and Ireland are different types of players. Irelenad i beleive will get more goals and more assists but will prob not cover as much ground as milner did.
But he won't need to if we play like we did on Sat. I believe the way we played under MON made Milner look better than he is, although I accept Milner still looked very good on Sat.
It also made Petrov look worse than he is, as well as knackering him out after 65 mins.
Maidstone, how can a player look better than he is ?
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 18, 2010, 03:22:32 PM
Give me a break, Milner won't be sitting on the bench, not after the first month, anyway. Milner is about as close as you can get to a "sure thing" when it comes to being a new acquisition for a club. He's been good, verging on brilliant for a number of years now unlike say Roque Santa Cruz who has done it for one season. Milner will be one of the best players in the premiership for the next decade, a bit like Giggs and Scholes. Having said that, due to his contract situation, I do agree with his sale.
Milner was excellent last year. Before that though, all he had really shown is decent form and promise. The problem Milner's got at city is that he has to have an unbelievable season for them. As they will inevitably spend another £150 million next summer and he could find himself frozen out such as very good players like Ireland and Bellamy have this.
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Post by: dave.woodhall on August 18, 2010, 03:24:32 PM
Let's not be churlish. He was a very good player last week, and he's not got worse by moving.
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Post by: hipkiss92 on August 18, 2010, 03:26:54 PM
What is taking so long? SSN said it was going to be completed within the hour and that was at 10 o'clock this morning.
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Post by: Monty on August 18, 2010, 03:27:03 PM
Let's not be churlish. He was a very good player last week, and he's not got worse by moving.
Not individually. But is it the right team for him? I have my doubts. James is an unassuming, head-down-and-work character, and they have a dressing room of egos to assuage (word of the day). I'm not saying he'll never play, but if it's a choice between him and a "star" player, he won't be first choice.
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Post by: damon loves JT on August 18, 2010, 03:34:42 PM
What is taking so long? SSN said it was going to be completed within the hour and that was at 10 o'clock this morning.
Transfer deals always seem to involve fax machines. Perhaps somebody's fax machine broke down and they had to root round a few antique shops to find a replacement
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Post by: Phil from the upper holte on August 18, 2010, 03:37:26 PM
Has he bloody signed yet?
I wanna update my sig
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Post by: villa for life on August 18, 2010, 03:43:44 PM
Is my memory failing but didn't Milner play a big part in helping us stay up one year?
Paying us the amount they did for Barry and what they will for Milner represents two of the best deals they have made in the last few years.
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 18, 2010, 03:47:45 PM
Let's not be churlish. He was a very good player last week, and he's not got worse by moving.
Not individually. But is it the right team for him? I have my doubts. James is an unassuming, head-down-and-work character, and they have a dressing room of egos to assuage (word of the day). I'm not saying he'll never play, but if it's a choice between him and a "star" player, he won't be first choice.
No doubt hes a very good player. I'd still like him to be here, him and Ireland would be awesome on the same side. As an England fan i'd love James to consistently turn in excellent performances.
At City though, one or two bad games would probably see him out the team. City have absolutely no loyalty or faith in their players. They showed that with Ireland, who was by far and away their best player two seasons ago(probably should have got young player of the year over our Ashley), and they have shown it with Bellamy this year, who after Tevez was their best player last season. All they have done on both occasions is get their chequebook out and sign star name players who aren't necessarily better or even as good.
They are more than capable of doing that to Milner even if he has a good season. In a way i hope they do, as then we can have him back and they can fuck off.
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Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2010, 03:51:38 PM
What is taking so long? SSN said it was going to be completed within the hour and that was at 10 o'clock this morning.
Transfer deals always seem to involve fax machines. Perhaps somebody's fax machine broke down and they had to root round a few antique shops to find a replacement
That's the sort of excuse Harry would come out with 2 hours after the transfer window slams shut on the 31st August.
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Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 18, 2010, 03:55:19 PM
Not individually. But is it the right team for him? I have my doubts. James is an unassuming, head-down-and-work character, and they have a dressing room of egos to assuage (word of the day). I'm not saying he'll never play, but if it's a choice between him and a "star" player, he won't be first choice.
Personally I no longer have any interest in how many games Milner plays. As it goes, I think he'll play a lot because his character is exactly what that Man City side needs.
What worries me from a Villa perspective is that a) we've lost our best player of last season, and b) we are replacing, as you say, a totally professional individual with someone who is the exact opposite. That's not to say Ireland has no ability - he clearly does - but in terms of his attitude and professionalism, he's a big step down from Milner.
The total value of the transfer is more than Milner is worth so in theory it's a good deal for us - but in practice it depends on who we buy with the money.
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Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2010, 03:58:16 PM
What is taking so long? SSN said it was going to be completed within the hour and that was at 10 o'clock this morning.
Transfer deals always seem to involve fax machines. Perhaps somebody's fax machine broke down and they had to root round a few antique shops to find a replacement
That's the sort of excuse Harry would come out with 2 hours after the transfer window slams shut on the 31st August.
'onest Guv - we ran outta toner!
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 18, 2010, 03:59:29 PM
Is my memory failing but didn't Milner play a big part in helping us stay up one year?
Paying us the amount they did for Barry and what they will for Milner represents two of the best deals they have made in the last few years.
what they paid for Milner,(by all accounts) is around £17 million cash and Ireland who they value at around £8 million. Thats £25 million. I think Milner is probably around a £20 million pound quality player. So that would be £5 million more than his value (imo of course).
Add to that i think they have underrated Ireland by about £5 or 6 million (probably even more judging by his form 2 seasons ago).
I agree that Milner could be an excellent signing for them, if they give him a fair crack(which they won't).
We have definitely got the better end of the deal.
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Post by: Mazrim on August 18, 2010, 04:06:38 PM
Ireland can be a bit eccentric but I dont recall any examples of being unprofessional. He's supposedly very hard working.
What we've lost in Milner is a genuine jack of all trades. What we've gained in Ireland is (perhaps) a master of one.
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Post by: taylorsworkrate on August 18, 2010, 04:08:57 PM
Not individually. But is it the right team for him? I have my doubts. James is an unassuming, head-down-and-work character, and they have a dressing room of egos to assuage (word of the day). I'm not saying he'll never play, but if it's a choice between him and a "star" player, he won't be first choice.
Personally I no longer have any interest in how many games Milner plays. As it goes, I think he'll play a lot because his character is exactly what that Man City side needs.
What worries me from a Villa perspective is that a) we've lost our best player of last season, and b) we are replacing, as you say, a totally professional individual with someone who is the exact opposite. That's not to say Ireland has no ability - he clearly does - but in terms of his attitude and professionalism, he's a big step down from Milner.
The total value of the transfer is more than Milner is worth so in theory it's a good deal for us - but in practice it depends on who we buy with the money.
I think there is a bit of a misconception about Ireland's attitude. Yes he's had issues in the past, but in the last few years he has got his head together. I remember reading a newspaper article before the start of last season, commenting on the large amount of extra training he was putting in. He also gives a lot of money to charity and helps out with general good causes.
I also think hes the sort of player who could be adored at the Villa. He seems like the sort of guy who wants to be appreciated.
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Post by: Monty on August 18, 2010, 04:09:56 PM
Ireland can be a bit eccentric but I dont recall any examples of being unprofessional. He's supposedly very hard working.
What we've lost in Milner is a genuine jack of all trades. What we've gained in Ireland is (perhaps) a master of one.
That's the way I feel. Milner is 7/10 for almost everything, perhaps 8/10 for footballing brain and of course 20/10 for work rate. Ireland has good work rate, however, and like you say is much more of a master of his particular trade.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 18, 2010, 04:13:45 PM
Stephen Ireland does have a soft side to him.
http://www.stephenireland.com/charity/
Nice to see, specially when he's only just going on 24 yrs of age.
He may turn to Acorns ?
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Post by: Concrete John on August 18, 2010, 04:16:26 PM
Ireland can be a bit eccentric but I dont recall any examples of being unprofessional. He's supposedly very hard working.
What we've lost in Milner is a genuine jack of all trades. What we've gained in Ireland is (perhaps) a master of one.
That's the way I feel. Milner is 7/10 for almost everything, perhaps 8/10 for footballing brain and of course 20/10 for work rate. Ireland has good work rate, however, and like you say is much more of a master of his particular trade.
Disagree. I think Milner's work rate seems to almost disguise how good a footballer he is with it at his feet. We're getting a good deal, and as I said I don;t think Man City will see the best of Jimmy for various reasons, but I do think he's a better player than Ireland.
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Post by: deanl123 on August 18, 2010, 04:19:58 PM
It's interesting to read all of the positive posts. My own view is quite different, even though I realise from a business point of view the financials of the deal are sound for Villa.
I believe Milner is a better player than Ireland. I see Ireland as a player that can perform exceptionally on occasions, but does not have the consistency that we have seen from Milner over the last couple of years (in fact I can't name one player who is as consistent as Milner!).
I'm not overly concerned about Ireland's professionalism, as I'm not privy to that type of information, but what does bother me is that Ireland is allegedly our highest paid player. I can see this unsettling other players in the squad, which could lead to requests for increased salaries, or players leaving for pastures new, should Ireland fail to out-perform the rest of the squad.
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 18, 2010, 04:23:26 PM
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Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 18, 2010, 04:27:25 PM
I can't help but take all of this pro-Ireland stuff with a massive pinch of salt. Particularly when you consider virtually the only mentions he ever got on here prior to us being interested were his baldness, his pink wheels and his granny's fake funeral.
If we get the player of two seasons ago and if his head is right then he could be a good player for us. He has certainly got his work cut out in terms of replacing the goals and assists that Milner got last season.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 18, 2010, 04:30:43 PM
I can't help but take all of this pro-Ireland stuff with a massive pinch of salt. Particularly when you consider virtually the only mentions he ever got on here prior to us being interested were his baldness, his pink wheels and his granny's fake funeral.
If we get the player of two seasons ago and if his head is right then he could be a good player for us. He has certainly got his work cut out in terms of replacing the goals and assists that Milner got last season.
I'm no sure that's true hilts. I think a lot of people, especially 2 years ago were saying how good a player he was. The other stuff was just the fringe stuff that makes the gossip columns.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 18, 2010, 04:31:45 PM
In fairness to 'here' Hilts, since when did we give any players wearing anything other than the claret and blue of Villa a positive slant ?
He is a very very good player.
We have another £18 million in the bank to boot as well, hopefully a quality striker can be scooped up with that.
Good business.
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Post by: TheSandman on August 18, 2010, 04:33:33 PM
So he's some kind of utter mad man because he told a white lie to get out of an uncomfortable situation and he has a dodgy taste in motors?
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Post by: hilts_coolerking on August 18, 2010, 04:39:29 PM
So he's some kind of utter mad man because he told a white lie to get out of an uncomfortable situation and he has a dodgy taste in motors?
Who's claiming that?
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Post by: luke25 on August 18, 2010, 04:46:05 PM
Confirmed as a Citeh player, must mean the Ireland deal is done too then
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Post by: jamesvilla on August 18, 2010, 04:47:41 PM
On Citeh Site
http://tinyurl.com/364ku6y
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Post by: Summers on August 18, 2010, 04:49:26 PM
'bout time. All worked out for the best. Milner is a cracking player, but his head was turned. Cash + Ireland is superb. When you consider they've gave us a lot of cash, Dunne and Ireland - and took away Barry and Milner as part of this 'deal'. We've done much better than they have.
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Post by: curiousorange on August 18, 2010, 04:51:36 PM
They just said on SSN that Ireland is completed too, but it's not on the little ticker thing. Watch this space by the looks of it.
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Post by: TopDeck113 on August 18, 2010, 04:53:07 PM
Done and dusted.
Welcome, Stephen. I hope you put in the sort of performances you were doing 2 seasons ago.
As for Milner, I've a lot of time for him as a player, but feel rather let down with how this saga has played out. I did think he was different.
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Post by: luke25 on August 18, 2010, 04:56:41 PM
Ireland deal confirmed, good stuff, thank fuck its finally settled
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Post by: achilles on August 18, 2010, 05:01:16 PM
So did I, disappointing really to be proved he is the same as the rest of them!
I agree, I thought he would be different too, should have known better in this day and age. Hope he never wins a trophy in his life and gets plenty of splinters in his ass.
And welcome Mr Ireland.
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Post by: JJ-AV on August 18, 2010, 05:12:21 PM
Aston Villa Football Club can confirm that Stephen Ireland has joined on a four-year contract, having completed his transfer from Manchester City.
"This is a great signing for the football club," said Aston Villa caretaker manager Kevin MacDonald. "Stephen is an outstanding young talent who will complement the talented players we already have here and we're looking forward very much to working with him."
The club can confirm that James Milner has also completed his transfer from Villa to Manchester City. The England international won the Supporters' Player of the Year award last season and we wish him well in his ongoing career and acknowledge the excellent contribution he made during his time here.
The relevant paperwork is due to be finalised within the next couple of hours.
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Post by: not3bad on August 18, 2010, 05:13:40 PM
I don;t think Man City will see the best of Jimmy for various reasons, but I do think he's a better player than Ireland.
If all goes as we hope maybe we'll be reassessing that at the end of the season.
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Post by: supertom on August 18, 2010, 05:13:59 PM
That's a cracking deal, let's be honest. We've done them over. If you're being coy about Irelands price and suggest 8mill, we've still made double on what we paid for Milner all told. All off the back of one outstanding season. I'll miss him, but thankfully we've got a class player in to replace him.
If we now splash that 16 mill on a couple of quality additions, particularly an industrious midfielder, we'll be in good shape.
In all honesty, I think one more player in would be enough. We're well off defensively. The front line options are good (I'm even curious to see Heskey playing in a system with the ball on deck.) And the youngens have quality and enthusiasm. Just need that one midfielder in to cover for Delph's absense and replace Sidwell in the squad.
I'm feeling decidedly rosy. As has been said, since O Neill departed, in certain areas, it's like we've had new signings. Thinking particularly of Luke Young and Nigel Reo Coker who'd fallen foul of Martin. Both are decent players who could play a big part for us. Add to that the likes of Albrighton, Clark, a refreshed looking Downing, and we're in good nick.
Of course this could all be doom and gloom by monday. But I'm feeling very optimistic that it won't be. Bring on the games!
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Post by: Monty on August 18, 2010, 05:14:33 PM
That's the way to see it Tom. Onwards and upwards!
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Post by: PaulMcGrathsNo5Shirt on August 18, 2010, 05:19:06 PM
Bye James, and thank you. You could have been a hero, a true Villa legend. You could have been our long term captain and leader. You chose the riches.
Now.....how do I change my username to StevenIrelandsNo8Shirt?
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Post by: Summers on August 18, 2010, 05:20:06 PM
Have fun with Engand's GazBaz, Jimmy. 8-)
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2010, 05:21:39 PM
At least Milner will have someone to talk to on the bench.
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Post by: Fingers on August 18, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
Deal of the century or was that Eto'o for Ibrahimovic + £40m?!!
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on August 18, 2010, 05:27:52 PM
I doubt any transfer will ever again be as one sided as the Eto'o one.
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 18, 2010, 05:37:22 PM
.............and goodnight.
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Post by: Pants on August 18, 2010, 06:19:53 PM
Good luck Jimmy, will be funny if this means Barry ends up on the bench for most of the season.
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Post by: PAKISTAN on August 18, 2010, 06:42:58 PM
Bye James you were a king here :'(
I hope man city have a shit start to the season and mancini gets sacked
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Post by: SaluteIanTaylor on August 18, 2010, 07:02:05 PM
Over and Out James, be good for England and we'll leave it right there.
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Post by: Villafirst on August 18, 2010, 07:06:16 PM
My gut instinct says you've made a massive mistake James. Shaun Wright-Phillips was a fantastic player before he went to Chelsea. He' s a shadow of that player now after so long on the bench before moving back to Citeh. Wayne Bridge has never been the same player. Damien Duff was ruined at Chelsea, the list goes on. You'll get fed up amongst those mercenaries, may be £100k a week is all you're thinking about. Well, at least you'll have Gareth to chat to on the bench!
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Post by: Jimbo on August 18, 2010, 08:42:57 PM
Jimmy, Jiiiiiimmy! Oh, Jimmy Mil... When are you coming, er... back? Ahem...
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 18, 2010, 08:44:25 PM
James who?
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on August 18, 2010, 08:50:52 PM
I hope man city have a shit start to the season and mancini gets sacked
He'll be lucky to last until Xmas. I'm glad they have the coaching genius that is David Platt, it levels out the field despite their millions spent. They'd have been better off appointing Corrie's Martin Platt. Can you imagine having to work with those over paid mercanaries every day? It will all end it tears.
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Post by: Shrek on August 18, 2010, 10:27:38 PM
Deal of the century or was that Eto'o for Ibrahimovic + £40m?!!
Definately the Eto'o deal!!!
But this is a far second!
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Post by: H00513R on August 19, 2010, 12:58:48 AM
Don't forget your skirts son.
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Post by: eamonn on August 19, 2010, 02:19:15 AM
I never fully took to Milner the way many did. Thought we overspent - like I think Citeh have now. There must be a dearth of old-fashioned, tireless, energetic English players with a decent shot. For him to command the transfer fees he has, I'm obviously not getting something about Milner. Maybe it's because I tend to take to the more technically gifted players at the Villa - all the better if they're homegrown, which is why I'll always have a soft spot for those foolish men Lee Hendrie and Luke Moore...
He's too offensively-minded to be a sitting midfield player but he doesn't have the vision or consistency in his passing to be an attacking one. So he's somewhere in between. Barry was in a way too - but he can spot a pass far better than Milner and his left foot helps give balance. Until he moved into the middle last season, he seemed to do a lot of huffing and puffing on the wing without much end product. Sure it's great to have a player who will run all day but when they don't have to, because of a superior touch or a quicker mind when it comes to football, all the better. Which I think Ireland has over Milner, quite comfortably.
Even on Saturday, though he played well, I thought he was quiet at the start, and thought he might be going missing a bit due to the crowd's initial reaction. He went on to have a good game but, his finely taken goal aside, I honestly thought that Downing, Young, Petrov and Albrighton played better.
Mac summed it up best on the other thread - Milner was consistently a 7/10 player, Ireland will geneally be a 9 or a 5. If he feels wanted and is given a run I reckon there'll be a lot more of the former. But with a tight defence, hopefully a stong backbone to midfield, be it NRC, Petrov, Delph eventually, hopefully we'll have a platform for him to prosper. He has the bit of magic that makes a player worth the admission price we've been craving for years. Young and Albrighton/Downing can provide it on the wing, now we've someone who can do it in the middle, something MON didn't seem to place too much importance on.
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Post by: VillaAlways on August 19, 2010, 02:12:24 PM
Just watched his interview on the City website.Notice he's already calling us Aston Villa even the interviewer was calling us Villa.Banging on about how long and drawn out it was and how it was an easy decision.Hmmm strange comments from a man that supposedly denied saying he wanted to leave.
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Post by: D.boy on August 19, 2010, 02:14:09 PM
Who cares anymore. The deals done and we have got the better side of it. Time to move on.
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Post by: Monty on August 19, 2010, 02:19:16 PM
Just watched his interview on the City website.Notice he's already calling us Aston Villa even the interviewer was calling us Villa.Banging on about how long and drawn out it was and how it was an easy decision.Hmmm strange comments from a man that supposedly denied saying he wanted to leave.
The music they had at the beginning is hilarious. Seems they think Milner's a porn star.
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Post by: VillaAlways on August 19, 2010, 02:20:58 PM
Just watched his interview on the City website.Notice he's already calling us Aston Villa even the interviewer was calling us Villa.Banging on about how long and drawn out it was and how it was an easy decision.Hmmm strange comments from a man that supposedly denied saying he wanted to leave.
The music they had at the beginning is hilarious. Seems they think Milner's a porn star.
LOL
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Post by: TimTheVillain on August 19, 2010, 03:41:02 PM
'Get ready to win the Premier League' Mancini
You know, he couldn't give a flying fuck about Villa - we were a steppin stone to a bigger pay cheque and the hope of a trophy.
Move on - but jeez, do i want Ireland to prove himself to be the better player.
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Post by: pmk1981 on August 19, 2010, 03:56:14 PM
all i want is villa to beat man city twice this season. Ireland scoring home and away and what would make it even more enjoyable is that milner is on the bench !!! :-) ugly money grabbing chav
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Post by: The Man With A Stick on August 19, 2010, 04:14:24 PM
all i want is villa to beat man city twice this season. Ireland scoring home and away and what would make it even more enjoyable is that milner is on the bench !!! :-) ugly money grabbing chav
A Dunne header from an Ireland cross would do me.
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Post by: Toronto Villa on August 19, 2010, 04:19:18 PM
Milner is saying what he has to say on signing for a new team. He's playing to a different audience now. The arrogance of Man City and the stuff that comes out of their is cringeworthy. They talk like they've arrived, which couldn't be further from the truth.
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Post by: pmk1981 on December 11, 2010, 05:38:45 PM
So then I think Milner is doing a cracking job keeping that man city bench warm !! (£) (£) @ .........
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Post by: TheSandman on December 11, 2010, 05:42:36 PM
I was saying to my dad earlier that the only thing keeping me from Schadenfreude at Milner's expense was our lowly position.
We are up a few now so I think I can muster a broad smile.
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Post by: pmk1981 on December 11, 2010, 05:51:38 PM
The thing is he is shit on the wing and excelled as a box to box midfielder and at man city they don't play that sort of formation
Bygons be bygons send Ireland back and pay man c the money back and pretend it never happened lol
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 11, 2010, 06:45:22 PM
Man City play with very definitive defensive midfielders and attacking midfielders (strangely they seem to include Toure in the later) and as we know Milner is somewhere in between the two. A great all round player but he doesn't excel at anyone discipline which means his face will never quite fit at Man City.
Poor lad.
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Post by: lovejoy on December 11, 2010, 07:56:01 PM
Why is it footballers sell their livelihood for a few extra quid rather than staying somewhere to make a difference and improve themselves. the career is so short can they afford to warm benches. No wonder England are so rubbish given the bhig team can afford the but cant afford to play them.
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Post by: olaftab on December 11, 2010, 08:11:23 PM
Milner looked comfortable on that bench. He was obviously using his fat wallet as a cushion!
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Post by: The Situation on December 11, 2010, 08:23:18 PM
So he's not in the first team lol? Are they playing Fat Baz, De-Thug, Silva, Toure and Adam Johnson now in midfield?
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Post by: Guy M on December 11, 2010, 10:03:32 PM
Why is it footballers sell their livelihood for a few extra quid rather than staying somewhere to make a difference and improve themselves. the career is so short can they afford to warm benches. No wonder England are so rubbish given the bhig team can afford the but cant afford to play them.
I've said it before and even tho I bore myself with it, I'll say it again.
Allowing teams to have 7 substitutes is killing any hope of competitiveness within the top division. It's so much easier now for the Sky 4 / 5 / 6 to have an entire squad of internationals and for the most part keep them happy with the various competitions and the generally accepted hype that teams need to be rotated.
Think about when we signed Dean Saunders. A genuine top-drawer British talent who was at the time deemed surplus to requirements at The 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'. Nowadays, he'd be a regularly used sub and playing in the odd cup game with a view to getting back in the starting eleven and happy to sit on the bench and collect the pay cheque in the meantime.
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Post by: bob on December 12, 2010, 08:24:10 AM
Guy, I'd never heard you say that.
Good point, well made.
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Post by: Shrek on December 12, 2010, 09:42:33 AM
Well if Jimmy wants to come back, he is very welcome!
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Post by: eastie on December 12, 2010, 09:58:03 AM
Not a cat in hells chance of milner coming back here- he's on the verge of champions league and massive wages- I'm sure he expected to miss some ges at city as they rotate a lot !