The Milner Novela... Final episode page 296

[Concrete John]

Discussing on talksport now.

Andy townsend really wants milner too stay at Villa!

I bet whatever other twat he has on with him is saying he should go!

[KevinGage]

then you'd have to  add salifou, knight, Heskey,  Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..

The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner.  We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing.  We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.

Thanks John, for saving me the bother of typing that. It's a royal pain with IE8 scrollbar problem.

Google Chrome or Opera, my good man.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

I don't think Milner has an agent, I think he uses the PFA instead.

He has an agent. He worked with a PFA agent until he joined Villa.
I've heard from a trustworthy source that Milner's agent was in talks with Citeh a few weeks ago. I think it's more the agent touting Milner looking to cash in, rather than James requesting a move.

[Namlod]

There are a lot of comments on here stating how James has far too much integrity to leave, a far more level headed individual, loves the club/MON to leave.......

Does anyone on this site actually know Milner well enough to confirm this or is it just a gut feeling?

I DONT WANT MILNER TO LEAVE UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES ...... but he is a young professional footballer who is in the game to earn money as well as play football.

If ManC/ManU/Chelsea offer him £100k+ per week and millions signing fee along with champions league football, I think he'll be off.

He owes Villa nothing. Villa paid good money for a good player. Villa paid his wages and he earned the money on the pitch, simple.

If he goes we want top dollar to buy a suitable replacement (dunno who)

[LeeB]

then you'd have to  add salifou, knight, Heskey,  Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..

The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner.  We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing.  We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.

Thanks John, for saving me the bother of typing that. It's a royal pain with IE8 scrollbar problem.

Google Chrome or Opera, my good man.

Cheers chief.

[Greg N'Ash]

then you'd have to  add salifou, knight, Heskey,  Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..

The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner.  We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing.  We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.

That may have been the original point but i was responding to Leeb's questioning of 2 or 3 duffers to every success. By his own figures of 8 sucesses to 28 odd signings since he arrived you're pretty close to that ratio. Money doesn't come into it, though the total in fee's and wages is fair old wack.

[Concrete John]

That may have been the original point but i was responding to Leeb's questioning of 2 or 3 duffers to every success. By his own figures of 8 sucesses to 28 odd signings since he arrived you're pretty close to that ratio. Money doesn't come into it, though the total in fee's and wages is fair old wack.

I think the problem there is not being able to understand that there are grey areas inbetween 'duffers' and unqualified sucesses.  I think Zat Knight contributed resanably well while here, certainly better than I expected him to, and was sold on for a profit.  He's not in the bracket of the likes of Milner, but was a good piece of business for us at the time.  

And I simply do not believe that having just finished 6th and been to Wembley twice, with only 1 non-MON signing, that we've only had 8 successes.  It's simply not possible.

[Greg N'Ash]

i think the fact that he's willing to let go most of the reserves go and didn't play them says all you need to know about them.you may think knight was a success profit wise but he contributed to cahil going who's looking like he'll go for a much bigger profit for Bolton than we ever made on Knight

[Bigmelonface]

We had all this last year with Young. It seems MON finds the latest Young player of the year and he's wished off to all the big spenders in the media.

I dont see Milner going anywhere this summer. The offer we'd probably listen to I just dont see coming in. I dont care who is supposedly bidding, there will be better value elsewhere for them. Were we a club struggling with money or needing a massive overhaul of the team, maybe. But we're not.

We need to build a team around Milner and we need to add a few players to improve, not wholesale changes. So unless a stupid ridiculous offer comes in, I see no point in selling Milner and I think Randy and MON will see it the same way.

Keep Milner, buy the next young player of the year to play with him, push on and finish above the likes of Man fucking City.
We have a number of players to sell to raise extra funds, Milner had better not be one of them.

As much as I hate to agree with Trans-Am wheel arch nostrils he does have a point.

It would have to a be at least £50m and even then I would still be pissed off and no one is going to bid much over £30m.

[Concrete John]

i think the fact that he's willing to let go most of the reserves go and didn't play them says all you need to know about them.you may think knight was a success profit wise but he contributed to cahil going who's looking like he'll go for a much bigger profit for Bolton than we ever made on Knight

So Knight was a duffer because we sold The Bolton Defender?  Even for you that's a huge logical leap!

As for the bold bit, why don't we ask ourselves WHY he's letting them go?

Davies - with Clark coming through and 3 other CBs, we can afford to let him go and it saves the extra deal he's owed after two more games.  Good and seasonable transfer dealings, IMO
NRC - all about the argument they had
Young - I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes we don't, and probably never will, know about.

I'll give you the other three were poor signings and/or not given a chance.

That's 3 who aren't going because they're poor players, so where does that fit into the 'tells you all we need to know about them' argument?

[Greg N'Ash]

i think the fact that he's willing to let go most of the reserves go and didn't play them says all you need to know about them.you may think knight was a success profit wise but he contributed to cahil going who's looking like he'll go for a much bigger profit for Bolton than we ever made on Knight

So Knight was a duffer because we sold The Bolton Defender?  Even for you that's a huge logical leap!

As for the bold bit, why don't we ask ourselves WHY he's letting them go?

Davies - with Clark coming through and 3 other CBs, we can afford to let him go and it saves the extra deal he's owed after two more games.  Good and seasonable transfer dealings, IMO
NRC - all about the argument they had
Young - I think there's a lot going on behind the scenes we don't, and probably never will, know about.

I'll give you the other three were poor signings and/or not given a chance.

That's 3 who aren't going because they're poor players, so where does that fit into the 'tells you all we need to know about them' argument?

cahill found himself 5th choice centre half when davies and knight arrived. Had no option but to leave.

As for your 2nd point, so they're all great players but MON has the man-management skills of a common DOL and can't stay pals for more than a season?

[pauliewalnuts]

then you'd have to  add salifou, knight, Heskey,  Downing, Maloney, Routledge, Carson, Harewood to the above and you think no maybe its not..

The original discussion started around whether or not we should trust Martin to spend any fee we (hopefully do not!) get for Milner.  We made money on Knight and Maloney, Routledge and Salifou were only nominal fees and Carson was a loan signing.  We can argue about Downing all day, but the only definite 'waste' was Harewood.

Thanks John, for saving me the bother of typing that. It's a royal pain with IE8 scrollbar problem.

re that IE8 issue, if you turn IE7 Compatibility Mode on (Tools menu), it stops happening (assuming it is the same issue).

NB that point on the other page re flops, I was comparing it to "for every Milner", referring to a player we've signed who has massively increased his value, rather than just done well for us.

[Concrete John]

cahill found himself 5th choice centre half when davies and knight arrived. Had no option but to leave.

As for your 2nd point, so they're all great players but MON has the man-management skills of a common DOL and can't stay pals for more than a season?

Yes, his other option was to stay and develop and then be a starter for a top 6 side.  He didn't want to wait and so left.  His choice and lets leave it at that before this goes off at a tangent!

I never said they were great players and we only know of one arguemnt with a player, which was NRC.  As I said before, just because a player isn't a regular starter and England contender does NOT mean they were crap signings.

[Greg N'Ash]

davies - had the contract bust up, shorey had a bust up but anyway Davies is/was a disaster. Cost more than centre halfs like vidic, injury prone, worse than cahill. Can't see how you can claim anything other than that.

[BannedUserIAT]

There are a lot of comments on here stating how James has far too much integrity to leave, a far more level headed individual, loves the club/MON to leave.......

Does anyone on this site actually know Milner well enough to confirm this or is it just a gut feeling?

I said this a little earlier in the thread about how, when Newcastle fucked him about, he didn't 'do a Barry' and act a complete and utter twat, he just got his head down and played to the best of his ability. No underhanded engineering of a move, no public pissing about....he just got on with his job for the people who paid his wages.

Given that Villa have done the complete opposite of fuck him about, I can't see him completely reversing the personality he displayed on Tyne-side and kicking us to the curb. Not unless it's on Villa's terms.

Having said that, I was rather comforted with him being represented by the PFA. News of an agent makes me a little nervous as they're sly ******.