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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on March 04, 2026, 06:23:21 PM
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Jesus fuck.
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Right, so we’ve learned nothing from the past month then
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Shocking line up. Is he losing the plot?
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I’m sorry; that line up is in-f*cking-sane
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Alysson to come off the bench and score the winner. COYVB!
*I'd take a draw.
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Wow - not what I would have chosen at all. Guess plenty of opportunities for a redemption
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You're shitting me
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Is he just trying to will 23/24 back into existence?
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WTAF!
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How is Bailey still on the pitch?
Just getting some practice in.
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I thought I had looked at the previous team sheet , I checked again and again oh well !!
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Gone for the 0-0. Nice one Unai, ya wuss.
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Taxi for Emery.
That’s bollocks.
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That team has all the pace of a convalescence home patient.
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For Pete’s sake.
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Oh dear.
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Probably the best thing I could say is it's not the starting 11 I would have chosen but I really hope some players turn up tonight otherwise it could get nasty pretty quickly.
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If first you don't succeed, try try try... ad nauseam.
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Bailey - WTF!!!!!!
No Tammy - WTF!!!!!!!
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I mean....
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Wolves part two and he’s expecting energy from the crowd. Select a side that will make them feel like they want to give some energy as the likes of Watkins and Buendia and Bailey constantly give the cunting ball away. Hope I’m wrong but if you always do what you’ve always done, the result will be the same. Fucking Bailey, fucking Buendia, Christ.
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We will be 2-0 down too late by the time the right starting eleven are on the pitch.
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Is he just trying to prove he is right and every fan wrong about Bailey? Expect him to be subbed off by 60 minutes after zero contribution. Lose tonight and some fans may start questioning Emery's tactics and selection.
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What is Unai seeing in Bailey that we aren't? And Watkins needs to come out of the firing line for me.
In Unai we trust, but I'm a little shaken by that line up
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Is he just trying to prove he is right and every fan wrong about Bailey? Expect him to be subbed off by 60 minutes after zero contribution. Lose tonight and some fans may start questioning Emery's tactics and selection.
I’m questioning it right now
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For Pete’s sake.
I would go further. For Peltys sake!
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Is this Emery doing his Maresca or his Almorim or his Glasner.
This selection defies belief!
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He knows the players best and he trusts them - we just have to go on that and hope they don't let him down.
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This is Emery giving the finger. Bailey shouldn't be on the bench let alone start. If Emery wanted crowd support then he has a funny way of showing it.
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I’m stunned, totally stunned. That team selection is not what I was hoping for at all.
Just hope we can stay in the game until the 75 minute changes……
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He knows the players best and he trusts them - we just have to go on that and hope they don't let him down.
Yes hopefully a rollicking from Friday and a vast improvement but not hopeful
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That's crap. What was the point of getting rid of Malen, to bring in Abraham? Joke selections.
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Trust Emery - Im sure he has a plan.
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"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results" said Unai, never.
I know we can never predict Unai's team selection correctly but this one takes the packet of biscuits.
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Tammy should be in for Ollie.
Give Alysson a go over Bailey who should not make the squad.
Then I’d get Lindelof in the midfleid for the 1st half instead of Onana who clearly cannot run for a whole game.
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WTAF!!! I'm stunned.
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Blackadder: "It's the same plan we used last time. And the 17 times before that."
General Melchett: "Exactly! That is what is so Brilliant about it. Doing precisely what we've done 18 times before is exactly the last thing they'll expect us to do this time."
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That’s a death wish team if ever I seen one
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Plan A does not work so let's go with Plan A.
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If Emery wanted crowd support then he has a funny way of showing it.
That was my first thought.
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I think he doesn’t want Villa in the CL next season so we aren’t a threat to Real Madrid.
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Well, judging how he played on Sunday, neither Bailey nor Sancho will get much change out of James, Chelsea's best player. May as well use Bailey as cannon fodder to hopefully tire him a bit, then put Sancho on second half.
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“Come and get me in the summer C115, I will be out of work by then”.
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Shocking line up. Is he losing the plot?
He's in the drunken gambler stage as Eamon Dunphy ironically once put it. Throwing his chips across the table and hoping for a performance. The three that were dropped can have no complaints. But going back to the same X1 that were awful v Leeds does seem crazy. Just hope Buendia and Rogers are at least swapped. Something a bit different tactically.
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He knows the players best and he trusts them - we just have to go on that and hope they don't let him down.
Sure, he sees these guys day in day out. Absolutely. However we can see lack of confidence and players who are out of form.
Buendia. Watkins. Bailey. They are all chronically out of confidence or out of form. Or both.
Just bizarre.
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It's like he's trolling us at this point.
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Well that's instantly sapped the energy.
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Trust Emery - Im sure he has a plan.
IUWT!!!
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Feel like getting back in the car and driving the 4 hours back to West Wales. After Wolves Unai had to make changes yet he has rewarded our 3 poorest players with a start. Its an insane line up. I've always backed Unai, but I feel defeated already.
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for the first time since Palace in the FA Cup Semi I feel deflated. I hope I'm wrong
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8 of the starting 11 were playing for us in 2021 (according to Townley)
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It's a very cunning plan. So as we don't have to keep fighting the financial restrictions of UEFA, we're trying to not qualify for Europe.
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I think he doesn’t want Villa in the CL next season so we aren’t a threat to Real Madrid.
Well the head Coach role at Madrid doesn't require any tactics, just man-management. Maybe he's out to prove a point he's the ideal man for the job.
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Just seen the team. What's that much repeated Einstein quote again?
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I think Onana in the middle is more detrimental than the peripheral players. Hopefully we can play on the counter and he can make some sort of contribution at a set piece.
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Unbelievable Jeff
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Fingers crossed it works but if it doesn't he's leaving himself open to a lot of criticism.
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Bailey, Buendia and Mings: retrograde. Bailey is a flake, Buendia is weak and Mings can't play from the back . Not hopeful.
Cue, surprise win.
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The only explanation I can offer is that he has told them to go out a bloody well put it right.
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for the first time since Palace in the FA Cup Semi I feel deflated. I hope I'm wrong
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Well he’s shown his faith in the players, it’s up to them to show that’s not misplaced.
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Just seen the team. What's that much repeated Einstein quote again?
"If my theory of relativity is proven successful, Germany will claim me as a German and France will declare that I am a citizen of the world. Should my theory prove untrue, France will say that I am a German and Germany will declare that I am a Jew."
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I'd have probably put Tammy and Barkley in. Other than that, there's not a great deal of choice.
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Just a pathetic predictable line up
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Jesus christ
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for the first time since Palace in the FA Cup Semi I feel deflated. I hope I'm wrong
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Perhaps they'll turn it on for us all tonight: as the actress said to the bishop!
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On the plus side, their goalie Jorgensen - who has come in for Sanchez - is the lad that threw one in when we beat them late on last year.
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The guy is obsessed with playing Rogers in the middle when he's absolutely useless there.
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You can kind of understand him sticking with Ollie, but going with both Buendia and Bailey seems, er, 'brave'. Or stupid.
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Trust Emery - Im sure he has a plan.
IUWT!!!
No idea what that means
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Very surprising, but what do I know?
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Just a pathetic predictable line up
It's anything but predictable unless the person making the selection hasn't seen us play in 2026 and/or is f*cking mad.
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Trust Emery - Im sure he has a plan.
IUWT!!!
No idea what that means
In Unai We Trust
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Like everyone else, I am shocked by the team.
I was not particularly hopeful before seeing the team. Now I am certain we will lose
I hope of course that we are we all completely wrong.
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In Unai we tremor.
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Last go for a few players maybe, put last result right at home. Plenty of credit in the bank for Unai.
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Trust Emery - Im sure he has a plan.
IUWT!!!
No idea what that means
In Unai We Trust
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All of those players have been match winners for us at some point - just need one of them to repeat it tonight
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I'd have probably put Tammy and Barkley in. Other than that, there's not a great deal of choice.
Tammy for Ollie would have given the fans a lift if nothing else. I know Ollie changed the game v Chelsea earlier in the season but he's been very flat in recent games.
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FML 🤦🏼♂️
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"Yes, we start Buendia, Bailey AND Watkins"
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Trust Emery - Im sure he has a plan.
IUWT!!!
No idea what that means
In Unai We Trust
Makes sense - I assumed it was some kind of Bladder Infection
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If it’s any consolation, over on the shed end forum they all hate their lineup too, and they dont appear too confident.
So it could boil down to a battle of who’s least shit.
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Trust Emery - Im sure he has a plan.
IUWT!!!
No idea what that means
In Unai We Trust
Makes sense - I assumed it was some kind of Bladder Infection
That team is more of a Blackadder infection.
"Do you have a plan? A cunning plan?"
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I’m pretty convinced when I dipped in here for the Wolves match, most were happy with the line up. Them at the end we all moaned about the starting eleven. I could have made this up, it might be my useless memory.
So on that basis and reading the first couple pages of mentioning the hideous lineup we’re going to win 2 nil.
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I adore Unai, but I hate the entire concept of 'in Unai we trust'.
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Agreed, odd night to change keeper. Is Jorgensen the guy that threw in a winner for us last season in the same game? Mings and Onana all over him hopefully with in swinging deliveries every time. Confident Cash will tie down Garnacho. No idea what Hato is like at left back. Fearful we will get outnumbered 5 v 4 in midfield.
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Bailey Buendia and Watkins is League One level on current form. Absolutely horrific.
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Just a pathetic predictable line up
It's anything but predictable unless the person making the selection hasn't seen us play in 2026 and/or is f*cking mad.
I hope we win, I truly do. But I fully expect exactly the same as we have seen in recent weeks. There is literally nothing in that line which includes Bailey, Buendia, Watkins that gives me genuine hope for anything other than 1 or 2 shots on target (maybe) no goals yet again.
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Jesus....Bailey must be some man to train! Chelsea to win by 2.
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Oh no, that is not the line up.
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This is Emery giving the finger. Bailey shouldn't be on the bench let alone start. If Emery wanted crowd support then he has a funny way of showing it.
And I see it totally differently. It's Emery pumping those low on confidence what they need to turn their fortunes around. We can't afford passengers, full-stop. We need to have everyone firing for the run-in. Can't just shift Bailey off the team because he's not been performing well. We simply don't have that luxury. You have to pick him up as a manager and the players around him need to do the same. We've seen Leon at his best, and he's an absolute difference-maker.
All Unai is doing is showing confidence in his player and backing him to come good. Now it's all on Leon to back himself and do the same.
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Oh well - please win.
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I’m not surprised he’s ‘gone again’ with this team. I don’t get it though. Hopefully Bailey in particular shuts us all up with a fantastic performance. Come on Villa, let’s have a blinding performance and a win because this could be a pretty damaging night otherwise.
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I think we'd be better off with a third CM today and maybe have left Bailey out. Bogarde in front of the back 4 with Luiz and Onana more box to box players.
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The only straw I'm clinging to is the Chelsea side tonight is anything but impressive.
1-0 Villa
Who takes our penalties?
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Is the Warehouse open at half time? Because this game could be over by then?
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Who takes our penalties?
Gordon Cowans took the last one we were awarded.
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This is Emery giving the finger. Bailey shouldn't be on the bench let alone start. If Emery wanted crowd support then he has a funny way of showing it.
And I see it totally differently. It's Emery pumping those low on confidence what they need to turn their fortunes around. We can't afford passengers, full-stop. We need to have everyone firing for the run-in. Can't just shift Bailey off the team because he's not been performing well. We simply don't have that luxury. You have to pick him up as a manager and the players around him need to do the same. We've seen Leon at his best, and he's an absolute difference-maker.
All Unai is doing is showing confidence in his player and backing him to come good. Now it's all on Leon to back himself and do the same.
Yep, totally agree. We’ve lost three great players who make the team tick and had to replace them with players we got shot of ages ago because it would be unfair if we were allowed to sign players, so we have to try and keep going with what we have.
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All of those players have been match winners for us at some point - just need one of them to repeat it tonight
Bless
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Bloody hell!
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Jesus....Bailey must be some man to train! Chelsea to win by 2.
Two pretty tragic appearances of late. We will probably know within 10 minutes how it's going to go for Bailey. Work hard like he did v Newcastle and the crowd will support him. Stick to the basics.
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Who takes our penalties?
Luiz?
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Fucking hell.
It's like he's not seen any of our recent matches.
Great to know, though, that this is the night it just magically starts working.
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Villa and Newcastle double, nailed on.
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Weak at the knees thinking of that. Ain't happening though.
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Subdued atmosphere
Need an early goal
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That lineup has just sapped everyone, the first fuck by Watkins and Bailey and the crowd will get arsey.
Cannot believe Tammy hasn't started.
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Nice tifo
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Bailey, Buendia and Watkins, I don't get this, Watkins has been given divine right by God not to score, Bailey is still being beamed down from his last club, as such he's in perpetual transition, Buendia looks knackered to me, what is going on.
We have to win or at very least draw this. get over this and we go into the break, players coming back or closer to coming back.
Come on Villa get it sorted.
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Subdued atmosphere
They must have read the match thread.
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Well, we've certainly stuck rather than twisted.
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Love that tifo
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Who takes our penalties?
Luiz?
Thats like me wondering which church me and Eva Green are going to get married at
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Great stuff
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Just got in - I will read the comments but wtaf is that team.. emery I love yu but come on , lets hope Bailey , Buendia and Ollie make me eat my words
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If it is any consolation, my Chelsea mates are pretty despondent about the team they've picked for the game
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DOUGIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Assist Bailey, told you he should start!
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GET IN!!!!
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Wow, an early goal!!
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Fucking hell.
It's like he's not seen any of our recent matches.
Great to know, though, that this is the night it just magically starts working.
Yes it’s what undermines my confidence in the “he sees them in training” argument. In any case, everything crossed. I will be delighted to eat humble pie on this!
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Get in
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fuck m e bailey did something haaaaaaaaaaa
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Doug!
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Dougie!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Ha! Fucking hell! Did Bailey of all people get the assist?
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Ollie deserves half an assist for that
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watkins dummy too
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A goal made by the comeback kids!
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GJETTT INNK!!!!
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Get the fuck in!!!
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Bailey and Doug do great.
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Class of '21 special
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Ha! Fucking hell! Did Bailey of all people get the assist?
He did. I think he probably meant to hit it a bit more firmly than that, but...
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Get the fuck in!!!
:)
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Link to the goal please anyone?
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in the build up
ollie gave it away ffs
buendia gave it away ffs
and then BOOM
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Fantastc bu dougie to start the move, great by bailey and ollie and then brilliant finish UTV
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Much, much better from Bailey, that's what he's been missing for a while, that drive and certainty makes him much more dangerous than the ponderous nervy stuff we've gotten used to
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martinez saves us
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Some save there!
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Great Save Emi.
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Great save
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What a save
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Worldie save from Emi.
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Link to the goal please anyone?
https://x.com/footballontnt/status/2029280102647775663
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Rosenior knows what he's doing. Back 3 and wing backs, our Achilles heel.
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Decent start.
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Great save - no where near good enough on the right. Started with weak play from Buendia. He has to be better there
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Thanks Mr Shin
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Worldie save from Emi.
Mings caught horribly
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WTF was Cash doing backing off there?!
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That's a yellow surely.
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Well done ref
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boook the diving twat
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Ha! Fucking hell! Did Bailey of all people get the assist?
He did. I think he probably meant to hit it a bit more firmly than that, but...
And if I remember right Chelsea tried to sign Doug in January.
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Yes ,good on yer ref
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Nah, he ran into Maatsen's leg
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Need to wake up.
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Class of '21 special
Yep, right foot cross from Bailey and Luiz finishing superbly.
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Chelsea man should have been booked
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and book the bloke that brought the player down
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boook the diving twat
It was a coming together, that's all it was
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Why’s Rosenior shaking his head? You don’t get pens for clear dives. Unless you’re Man Utd.
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Chelsea man should have been booked
Indeed
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Should be 2 bookings there, 1 for the blatant dive and 1 for the professional foul on Ollie.
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Chelsea man should have been booked
he was too busy with VAR so forgot to book him
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Ollie has started well
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boook the diving twat
It was a coming together, that's all it was
thats why he ran off to the ref moaning then?
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Rogers needs to wake up. Losing the ball far too easily
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We can’t let them ghost through midfield like that.
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I like the idea of leaving players upfield for corners: it clears the area for the keeper and makes the opponent think a bit.
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I like the idea of leaving players upfield for corners: it clears the area for the keeper and makes the opponent think a bit.
I was just thinking the same
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Nice to have a pro Villa co comms for once.(Stephen Warnock)
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Naughty from Fofana there, went down to pretend it wasn't a leading arm into Konsas face.
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Bailey and Doug do great.
Ollie's bit was best. Pure Lee Hendrie dummy.
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I think I have steve mcmanaman
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I think I have steve mcmanaman
Oh,maybe it is on reflection
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thats a foul ffs
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That’s just a shove in the back.
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That's 1 on the 'more contact than Cunha' count for the night.
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I think I have steve mcmanaman
me too and not changing it now while we have scored .
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Played Konsa
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Not even looking at the ball. Just shoving Ollie over. Cheating twats
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Mings all over the place again
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Why did Mings not try and play that?
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Far too open. We're gonna need 3 to win.
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Can’t switch off like that Maatsen.
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Has Bailey any studs?
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We’ve got to deal with the right hand side.
They’ll score if we keep letting them cut inside and hit shots.
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Ollie with a shinner - again.
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Oh Ollie. He’d been playing well up to that.
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Dear me Watkins
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Ollie with a shinner - again.
He was fouled
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ddint connect properly there , big chance
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Oh Ollie.
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Oh Ollie. Completely scuffed it.
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He’s lost half a yard
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Ollie with a shinner - again.
He was fouled
No he wasn't. He also hit the ball before the contact.
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Bailey needs to help Cash more.
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Ollie with a shinner - again.
He was fouled
I think so too, the Chelsea player just kicked his leg
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That's just a lack of confidence, waited too long steadying himself and gave Chalobah a chance to give him a nudge.
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Buendia looks a little lost
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Ollie with a shinner - again.
He was fouled
No he wasn't. He also hit the ball before the contact.
Still arguably a foul - you can't take the man when the balls gone - supposedly
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Chelsea are getting way too much space when they attack
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Ok Unai,subs now please
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Buendia looks a little lost
I haven't noticed him do anything at all yet.
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Communicate lads!
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Ollie with a shinner - again.
It's unbelievable how many times he makes such a piss poor connection when he's in on goal. It's almost as incredible as the amount of times he gets himself in that position. I can't think of another player who makes so many chances for himself purely on the back of the sheer effort he puts in.
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were struggling a bit here
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Unlucky Ollie!
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Garnacho completely has Cash’s number at the moment.
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Targeting the flanks.Needs addressing
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Great pass from Buendia.
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Great hit Ollie unlucky.
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Nice play, shame about the finish. Weird save that
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Fuck off Rogers , that yellow is your fault
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Better from us. Nice through ball from Buendia
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so poor Rogers
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Soft yellow
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Garnacho completely has Cash’s number at the moment.
I think he's so ugly his gaze turns our players to stone
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Given they got away with on of those earlier it's a bit shit that Cash got booked.
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konsa has gone to pot
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Soft yellow
courtesy of a piss-poor pass from Rogers
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Got really sloppy here, need HT
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Is Konsa a bit immobile?
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Bollocks
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We don’t make it easy on ourselves inviting pressure by giving the ball away cheaply all the time and daft bookings.
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Lovely move
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Mings has been poor and he's not supported by Konsa
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Very nice move that.
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rogers should have dpme better
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Exciting that
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Been coming
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Cash on a card ain’t good.
Thought Rogers was going to score.
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We want survive the game like this. They are definitely targeting the flanks.
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Offside?
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Stupid early kickoffs. I thought this started at 9pm.
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thats shit if not Off side
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Offside
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Fucking run back rather than gormlessly waiting for a flag
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rogers should have dpme better
Konsa caught behind the line though.
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Piss poor defending
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That's been coming
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whats maatesen doing
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No it doesn’t. Shit.
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Konsa at fault twice there. Not holding the line and then letting the guy run across him.
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Konsa lost his man
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What were Mings & Konza doing?
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Nah he's a mile on, it's lack of press from us
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Onana again seems a little anonymous
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Konsa lost his man
Maatsen and Rogers lost Gusto
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Been coming tbf
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konsa has had a mare
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No chance this finishes 1-1
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Might have been coming but we had a few decent chances ourselves. We can still win this.
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We’re going to get hammered here if we don’t compete.
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maatsen has too to be fair ( mare )
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Konsa at fault twice there. Not holding the line and then letting the guy run across him.
Spot on.
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Not good defending that
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wakey wakey Tyrone
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They seem to be fitter and sharper than us...
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Some were wondering how it would be if a team came at us rather than play low block.
Well, it looks like we now know our defence os nowhere near as solid as we thought/hoped. Especially with Chelsea playing 3-4-3.
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Just get to HT 1-1
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Konsa is giving me the jitters
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Onana again seems a little anonymous
They are going down our flanks and he sitting in the middle.
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Onana again seems a little anonymous
Would take him off
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This a very un Emery performance so far. So open and pretty chaotic.
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I think that knock on the head has affected Konsa
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Back 4 have been poor. We need a big improvement in the second half.
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gone to pot here ...
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We don’t have people running off the ball to give defenders something to aim at.
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I think that knock on the head has affected Konsa
Both centre backs have been poor and Cash now on a yellow
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OLLIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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Cash needs more support
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Chelsea are known to fade in the second half though
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Get in Ollie!!!!
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Serious problems down the right, again.
Happy for Watkins!!!
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Ollie
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OLLIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
Can always rely on you!
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Delighted for Ollie
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Get innnnnnnnnnn
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Good finish Ollie
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get i thereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee fuck amazing
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OLLLIEEEEE!!!!!
Fabulous move.
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Fucking get in!
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Here we go, VAR.
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He’s off
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He will be off
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Fuck off
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Well done Ollie
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Superb Counterattack.
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He's off
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Looks offside
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This is going to be ruled out
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FFS.
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All the time to check his run, ffs!
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fuck off with Viia are robbed
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Just get to HT 1-1
It was your fault!
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Fuck! How close was that?!
Crazy.
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We have 4 on 2 and he's offside. inexcusable.
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Oh do fuck off VAR.
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Rogers delayed that pass a shade. Didn't punish a 4 on 2
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Fuck's sake.
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What about the 5cm allowance?
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All the time to check his run, ffs!
Rogers should have passed earlier
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should never have gone offside there :(
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We have 4 on 2 and he's offside. inexcusable.
Not his fault. He timed his run but Rogers hesitated.
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Of course off.
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Arse etc., get that given
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I imagine this finishes 2-1 Chelsea with a goal that is a clear six feet offside.
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fuck off with Viia are robbed
He was off. Ffs just hold your fucking run when you are looking along the line for god's sake
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For fuck sake, didn't need that.
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Rogers has been crap.
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Yep this has defeat written all over it.
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Rogers has been crap.
Awful
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I imagine this finishes 2-1 Chelsea with a goal that is a clear six feet offside.
Yes.
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Watkins can piss off now for me. To even be in a position to be close to offside there is pathetic
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8 added mins
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should never have gone offside there :(
It was literally the width of his kneecap. That's probably impossible to judge at that speed
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What about the 5cm allowance?
Indeed. I'd be writing in about that.
I'm not having that they can get it down to the skin on his knee cap. Sorry. Not having it whatsofuckingever.
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fuck off with Viia are robbed
He was off. Ffs just hold your fucking run when you are looking along the line for god's sake
Or, make the pass sharper, Rogers ...
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rogers wake up ffs
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Yep this has defeat written all over it.
Why? We have actually looked like scoring most times we've actually gone forward
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We have 4 on 2 and he's offside. inexcusable.
Not his fault. He timed his run but Rogers hesitated.
I didn't say it was his fault.
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fuck off with Viia are robbed
He was off. Ffs just hold your fucking run when you are looking along the line for god's sake
q
agree .. should have punished them
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Yep this has defeat written all over it.
Why? We have actually looked like scoring most times we've actually gone forward
Because you can just tell.
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Bailey has gone quiet
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Buendia has been utterly inept
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We have 4 on 2 and he's offside. inexcusable.
Not his fault. He timed his run but Rogers hesitated.
I didn't say it was his fault.
I know. Just pointing it out.
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Bailey has gone quiet normal
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We're working hard to win the ball then giving it away cheaply. Buendia and Bailey both doing it in quick succession
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Yep this has defeat written all over it.
Why? We have actually looked like scoring most times we've actually gone forward
Because you can just tell.
Don't forget, we started our B team today. The gun players are still to come on :-D
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Onana down holding his knee
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should never have gone offside there :(
It was literally the width of his kneecap. That's probably impossible to judge at that speed
when does the ball release from the Rogers to Watkins , do they check that
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Bailey and Buendia need to be subbed at half time. We're carrying them at moment.
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Buendia has been utterly inept
No he hasn't, been decent at 10 for me
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What about the 5cm allowance?
That rule was only brought in to help Liverpool out in that one game, and has since swiftly been forgotten until the next time one of the Sky 6 needs it.
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We're working hard to win the ball then giving it away cheaply. Buendia and Bailey both doing it in close succession
The buendia one summed him up perfectly, did really well winning it back, got himself a bit of time and space and then tried to play an impossible pass.
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Onana down holding his knee
Was probably about time
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What about the 5cm allowance?
That rule was only brought in to help Liverpool out in that one game, and has since swiftly been forgotten until the next time one of the Sky 6 needs it.
Exactly
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gary oldman is villa lol
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should never have gone offside there :(
It was literally the width of his kneecap. That's probably impossible to judge at that speed
when does the ball release from the Rogers to Watkins , do they check that
supposedly
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Get Barclay and Lindelof on for Onana and Bundia.
Alysson for Bailey.
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gary oldman is villa lol
What's he doing here?
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gary oldman is villa lol
Had no idea until now.
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Fuck right off
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Come on VAR!!
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FFS
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we are done tonight
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Fuck sake
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I said to the missus that Watkins hadn't trimmed his toenails so he'll be offside.
I honestly cannot see from the graphic they showed how you can say that he was definitely offside. It's ruining the game.
Oh bollocks.
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Clowns at the back
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More offside than Ollie.
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Goal stands.
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No one tracking Enzo...
.... has to be offside, though, surely
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gary oldman is villa lol
What's he doing here?
Millwall?
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Offside surely.
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bet this is given
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Maybe someone could try marking their best player?
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Garnacho has given Cash nightmares so far
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Goal stands.
Sigh8w
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Of course it's given.
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Fuck off.
Let’s see the lines.
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That is terrible defending
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Pathetic from Buendia and co.
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CORRUPT GAME
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Wet wipes the lot of them
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I said to the missus that Watkins hadn't trimmed his toenails so he'll be offside.
I honestly cannot see from the graphic they showed how you can say that he was definitely offside. It's ruining the game.
Oh bollocks.
Looked like an arm played him onside but hey it's Chelsea and now they get a VAR for them. We are fucked.
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Onana playing him on?
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I think emery should have brought buendia and bailey of about 25 mins , but defence has been craop and rogers have fucked up cash with the card
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Our midfield is shit.
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To lose a lead like this at home is fucking shite.
We can't handle their setup
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Our midfield is shit.
Without our best 2 players and captain it is
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Boooo
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Onana playing him on?
Mings
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So bloody bad. We aren’t coming back here - it is yet another game where we don’t look up to it.
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Ah look. We’ve missed a few 1 on 1s and now we’re losing. Oh look, a couple of marginal offsides and we’re losing.
And 8 fucking minutes . 8. Minutes. When was the last time you saw that?
I am almost done watching this corrupt nonsense.
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I want to see the lines and all evidence for both of those goals. I'm not even joking. Not some fucking cartoon character dreamt up in the sky. His foot was off in the freeze frame.
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Our midfield is shit.
What midfield?
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Our midfield is shit.
It's a makeshift fucking midfield.
The first to stick the knife in is always our own.
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I said to the missus that Watkins hadn't trimmed his toenails so he'll be offside.
I honestly cannot see from the graphic they showed how you can say that he was definitely offside. It's ruining the game.
Oh bollocks.
Looked like an arm played him onside but hey it's Chelsea and now they get a VAR for them. We are fucked.
But you can't play the ball with your arm. I thought there was a new rule about that?
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Crunch time for Emery.
He needs to make the right decisions at HT.
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Same old same old. One frame forward Ollie's off. One frame back and Pedro is on. Someone in control of var gets to choose which frame just by using a mouse on a computer. It's open to corruption. I say it every fucking week. I'm sick of saying it. It's the whole reason we have semi automated and not fully automated.
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Bailey and Watkins have been better. Buendia not.
Is there a bigger tosser in the league than Enzo Fernandez?
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I want to see the lines and all evidence for both of those goals. I'm not even joking. Not some fucking cartoon character dreamt up in the sky. His foot was off in the freeze frame.
Yep he was clearly offside.
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Let’s consign the myth that we look rock solid defensively with Mings in there to the bin. We don’t. How three players allowed Fernandez to make that pass is beyond me.
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Same old same old. One frame forward Ollie's off. One frame back and Pedro is on. Someone in control of var gets to choose which frame just by using a mouse on a computer. It's open to corruption. I say it every fucking week. I'm sick of saying it. It's the whole reason we have semi automated and not fully automated.
Exactly. They not only need to show us the final frame but the point they take that frame.
It looked off to me
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Enjoyed that. Far more energy.
If Ollie was offside so was Pedro. Too bloody close and how do they know where to draw the cartoons.
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Fucking margins of offside don't disguise the fact that we were operating with 9 men for most of the half: Buendia has been shite, Onana not good and Bailey just disappeared.
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Hopefully we bring on Rogers second half.
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Bailey and Watkins have been better. Buendia not.
Is there a bigger tosser in the league than Enzo Fernandez?
Can’t stand the little prick.
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We turned over a 1 goal deficit at theirs. And our first half then was way worse than this one today.
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Buendia is a fucking disgrace.
Half hearted, half arsed. Watch him, he makes half attempts at tackles, invariably loses and just stands and watches as the opponent runs away. He has done that consistently all through the game.
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Our midfield is shit.
Without our best 2 players and captain it is
onana is a 50 million pound supposedly , Luis will cost up 20 million and Buendia is just lightweight .... Id expect better thou.
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Aside from the apparent corruption, WIN A FUCKING TACKLE IN MIDFIELD FFS!!
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Same old same old. One frame forward Ollie's off. One frame back and Pedro is on. Someone in control of var gets to choose which frame just by using a mouse on a computer. It's open to corruption. I say it every fucking week. I'm sick of saying it. It's the whole reason we have semi automated and not fully automated.
100% agree. If the watkins goal was offside, so was that.
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All this pseudo-accuracy about some part of the body being millimetres on or offside, but just as critical is the timing of the pass being made - we never get to see that, do we? I mean, is it when the foot first brushes the ball? When the ball first deforms due to pressure? Or when it moves ?
I genuinely can't believe they are accurate enough about that to justify this micrometer measuring of the lines. It's bollocks, that's what it is.
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Crunch time for Emery.
He needs to make the right decisions at HT.
Will be no changes. Then Digne Sancho and Barkley on after 65 mins, Tammy about 85. Maybe a 5 min cameo for Alysson to finish off when we’re 3-1 down.
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I said to the missus that Watkins hadn't trimmed his toenails so he'll be offside.
I honestly cannot see from the graphic they showed how you can say that he was definitely offside. It's ruining the game.
Oh bollocks.
Looked like an arm played him onside but hey it's Chelsea and now they get a VAR for them. We are fucked.
But you can't play the ball with your arm. I thought there was a new rule about that?
Correct but we have players ruled offside with their arm so how does it work?
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Can we try and impose ourselves on the game please - sitting back and countering will not do it.
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Well that was shit - I might be wrong but the jmage they showed on their goal didn’t look like it matched the real time
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Chelsea look sharper and they're moving the ball with precision. We look lost and flat.
I fully expect a FT result of 1-3 or 1-4.
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I'm at the game so was just wondering if anyone at home can clear something up. When they showed the semi-automated still for our disallowed goal the Chelsea player had a blue flashing circle on him, but for their goal it was on Mings. What was that blue circle about?
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Can we try and impose ourselves on the game please - sitting back and countering will not do it.
Yep. Aggression required.
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Started brightly enough, but faded badly. The refereeing is beyond biased and VAR will make whatever decision they are told to. I'd be hauling off Buendia for Barkley and getting the ball to Bailey a bit more often. We can still get something out of this game, but the intensity needs to be ramped up instead just rolling over.
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Enjoyed that. Far more energy.
If Ollie was offside so was Pedro. Too bloody close and how do they know where to draw the cartoons.
They don't. They give some faceless stooge in Stockley Park the power to choose which frame to use. It's bullshit.
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Crunch time for Emery.
He needs to make the right decisions at HT.
Will be no changes. Then Digne Sancho and Barkley on after 65 mins, Tammy about 85. Maybe a 5 min cameo for Alysson to finish off when we’re 3-1 down.
Every blind man and his blind dog can see what changes are needed at half time.
No excuses Emery!!
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I'm at the game so was just wondering if anyone at home can clear something up. When they showed the semi-automated still for our disallowed goal the Chelsea player had a blue flashing circle on him, but for their goal it was on Mings. What was that blue circle about?
Saw that at home - bizarre and inconsistent
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We’ll go 3-1 down and then make some changes. There is a real air of weakness around the team.
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I must be watching a different game, I think we have been shit all over the park. Ollie's finishing is as bad as usual, Buendia has been anonymous, our centre backs look like they've just met. Chelsea have been far better. Corrupt or not, we have to compete much better than we are. Giving the ball straight back to them.
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Garnacho giving Cash a rare thrashing.
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At the end of the day the reason we are losing is poor defence. If anyone needs to come off it’s any of the back four
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Let’s consign the myth that we look rock solid defensively with Mings in there to the bin. We don’t. How three players allowed Fernandez to make that pass is beyond me.
Hang in the goal was created on our right…blaming Mungs is wrong and not fair
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Cash off Konsa to right back.
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Can we try and impose ourselves on the game please - sitting back and countering will not do it.
We're creating chances on the counter attack, something that more than suits Watkins, he just needs to finish them. There lies the problem. He needs to me more clinical, he's getting a masterclass from João Pedro.
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Enjoyed that. Far more energy.
If Ollie was offside so was Pedro. Too bloody close and how do they know where to draw the cartoons.
They don't. They give some faceless stooge in Stockley Park the power to choose which frame to use. It's bullshit.
It’s ridiculous and everyone knows it. It’s as if it’s been invented by Trump and if it’s said it’s true, as that’s where the cartoon is, it has to be true.
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I'd like answers on what happened to the 5cm rule for offsides. Or is that only for Liverpool?
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The warning signs were there. The Emery of old would have done something about it.
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It sort of feels like Gerrard football. You know the 0-4’s after a plucky start era.
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He could do with making 4 changes at HT.
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He won’t make any changes until it’s 1-3
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the spirit of this side is broken
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You can’t say Chelsea don’t deserve to be ahead. By far the better team.
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No point in feeling sorry for ourselves. The way we can address is play better and impose ourselves. If we don’t we will just wilt.
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Cash off Konsa to right back.
Good shout.
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The really frustrating thing is fully automated VAR has been available for the last three years. The richest league in the world chooses not to use it. They prefer to give a bloke in a studio 100 miles away the power to choose which frame to use. I don't know why they choose to do that. It's a mystery alright.
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You can’t say Chelsea don’t deserve to be ahead. By far the better team.
Yup.
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the spirit of this side is broken
That's the most pertinent point I've read on here all night.
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Yep they don’t believe at the moment.
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We have created more clear chances tonight than in many weeks. But that's come at a cost at the other end. Kamikaze stuff really with both teams from the first minute. But the extra man in midfield has given Garnacho far too much space and Cash in trouble now on a yellow. Both centre backs have been awful and Onana embarrassingly poor as per usual. Would be a surprise seeing our front four tonight that Rogers would be by far the worst of them but so it is.
Maatsen, Luiz, Ollie our best. Bailey and Buendia certainly started well.
Changes, either or both centre backs could go. I'd love to take Onana off as he's useless but maybe a midfield three with Bogarde helping Cash on that side is the way to go.
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We should be 2-1 up.
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I must be watching a different game, I think we have been shit all over the park. Ollie's finishing is as bad as usual, Buendia has been anonymous, our centre backs look like they've just met. Chelsea have been far better. Corrupt or not, we have to compete much better than we are. Giving the ball straight back to them.
There was nothing wrong with Ollie's finishing when he had half a patella offside!
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You can’t say Chelsea don’t deserve to be ahead. By far the better team.
Sure but we have created plenty of chances surprisingly.
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We should be 2-1 up.
Yeah but we’re not.
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Yep they don’t believe at the moment.
Unfortunately when it matters there is a real lack of character in this team. They showed that at Old Trafford the last game of last season.
Weak, go into hiding frauds
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We should be 2-1 up.
Yeah but we’re not.
So we're hardly as shit as some make out.
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This is a massive second half - if it continues to follow the pattern of the first we’ll lose comfortably. We have to do something to change our downward trend.
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The warning signs were there. The Emery of old would have done something about it.
The Emery of old had better choices. I really wouldn't be surprised if he took a job offer at a club where the financial shackles aren't totally hampering him.
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Let’s consign the myth that we look rock solid defensively with Mings in there to the bin. We don’t. How three players allowed Fernandez to make that pass is beyond me.
Hang in the goal was created on our right…blaming Mungs is wrong and not fair
Mings has been appalling. Where was he for that Pedro header early on? His decision making is all over the place
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You can’t say Chelsea don’t deserve to be ahead. By far the better team.
Sure but we have created plenty of chances surprisingly.
But we’ve scored the same as them. A fucking mm for fucks sake. No different to Pedros
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Tammy brace please
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Pau on Cash off. so Konsa to RB.
Onana, Bailey and Buendia off
Lindelof Barclay and Alysson on.
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Bogey on for Cash
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Bogarde at right back then? Progressive
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Two marginal and pretty identical looking offside calls and they both go the way of the Sky 6 team. Well colour me shocked.
Might as well be watching pro wrestling at this point.
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Bogey on for Cash
Is that it FFS!!!
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Bogarde for Cash only sub. Was hoping for a tactical change.
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Since when was this huddle over the ball been allowed?