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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Steve67 on October 23, 2025, 07:43:10 PM
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Embarrassing defeat. Terrible performance, shocking penalty, some truly awful personal performances.
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Deary me
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I for one hope Unai is personally lighting some of them on fire.
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I love him, but that was a terrible night from the manager and players.
When we decided we were gonna keep crossing it when Cash and Rogers came on, it should have been for Guessand and Lindelof, not the only centre-forward who scores headers. And bang average as he was, Sancho should have stayed on as well, and told just get it in the fucking box, like those two on the other side were.
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Had plenty of chances to put the game to bed by half time, poor finishing throughout the match.
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Got exactly what we deserved.
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A cack sandwich dipped in cack sauce.
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The 2nd half was beyond bad. That defence looked dodgy on paper and was dodgy on the grass. 2 straight ball's over a flat back 9 and two goals scored.
That’s not even the worst thing either. We missed so many chances in that game. It really wouldn’t have been a stretch if the score had been 5-2. It yet again we seem to need to world class goals to score. Guessand, on the evidence so far, is nowhere near good enough.
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That was the most dreadfully complacent performance. After the early goal we looked like we thought we could cruise it and then couldn’t respond when things went against us.
Awful performance.
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Shoulda, coulda had the game put to bed after 30 mins if we'd taken our chances.
Far too sloppy.
Yeh, they blocked our defenders for the equaliser, but c'mon, one of their subs is on loan from Derby.
And is there ANYBODY in the squad who can take a pen?
IF
NOT
WHY
NOT?
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Slack.
Guessand back to the Soccer Aid version, Sancho keeps the ball but does FA else and Watkins miles off it.
Unnecessary pressure now we've pissed away what should've been an easy game. Actually it was, they were rubbish.
I believe in sequences and 6 wins in a row is hard. Which means we'll win on Sunday.
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Poor from the players. Poor from Emery. He should have taken Guessand off and McGinn etc on sooner.
There is no way we should be losing to a side of that standard.
Toss.
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what a bunch of tossers we are . Hope we don’t need the points later. We got what we deserved . i would rather play the perceived strongest team ( that finished at Spurs) then bring on the fringe players if and when comfortable . We don’t like Eagles do we !
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Only watched bits as work until 6.
Can't believe another missed pen, its becoming routine.
Watkins and Guessand looked woeful from what I saw.
Why no Elliott again?
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Could be worse, we could be Aberdeen.
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As bad as it gets, hope this doesn't kick start a poor run, the worse thing about this, Go Ahead never actually believed they could draw let alone win, bad performance all over its totally pointless pulling out scapegoats, because then you you have to pull out a missed penalty by a player that just a few days ago was being hailed 'world class'.
Is it something to do with Eagles?.
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Can’t do it on a wet Thursday night in Deventer.
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And Sancho.
Not much fart. Absolutely no shit.
What does he actually do?
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Lacked quality going forward and made too made changes to the backline. Throw in a fair amount of bad luck and an absurd penalty miss.
Couldn’t have gone much worse but hopefully won’t make too much difference in the end.
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Well that was beyond dreadful. In particular I don’t want to see Mings and Torres together again, we’d have been better off with Bogarde at CB or RB and a youngster in centre mid.
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And Sancho.
Not much fart. Absolutely no shit.
What does he actually do?
I can tell you what he doesn't do and that's play for Villa.
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Disappointing, the Eagles hoodoo continues. Our new blue/purple shorts were nice though.
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Crap need to learn lessoms from that.
Right to rest EK McGinn Kamara Digne and Rogers.
Id have played Bogarde alongisde Mings or Torres
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All about attitude. Complacently going through the motions in tge first half and not appearing to care when they missed chances. When they developed the level of urgency we have a right to expect from them it had become one of those chase your tail situations.
Every time I start to think we’re developing a deeper squad it turns out we’re not - there are some real duds in our 21 or 22.
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You can’t play the same backline all the time, and to be fair tonight should have been fine to rest a couple given Digne was injured as well. But it does demonstrate we’re short at the back - Mings is not good at right centre back and Lindelof doesn’t offer much at right back.
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Starting XI should have been good enough to win tonight, no excuses we were sloppy and complacent.
At least Rogers looked extremely lively when he came on.
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Not really our night. fair play to them the supporters were great.
It will all be forgotten when we lift the trophy in May.
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Very unprofessional by Villa. Unai and the players need to put these games to bed. So many chances and yet we didn't test the keeper nearly enough. The lack of Elliott getting minutes is becoming an issue, as is a penalty taker. I saw Rogers take one for England U21's and he looked a natural.Very disappointing night all round.
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You can’t play the same backline all the time, and to be fair tonight should have been fine to rest a couple given Digne was injured as well. But it does demonstrate we’re short at the back - Mings is not good at right centre back and Lindelof doesn’t offer much at right back.
Lindelof offers nothing full stop. Part of a very poor manchester united side, that he wasn't a regular in either. Sancho is a show pony and this needs to be knocked out of him. That said, our ability to attack the ball in the box was really really poor this evening. Go Ahead wanted it so much more when defending. Just as Buendia becomes a better player, he turns back into the Buendia we expect. Special word for Maatsen and Guessand, shocking.
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Like so many of our shit cup defeats the team put out was much better than the team our opponents put out and yet we keep managing to lose.
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I wonder what the criteria is for penalty taking, just who feels confident? Buendia is on form so I can understand him wanting it but was Rogers or Malen in the conversation?
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They need to have a think about Pens now because if Buendia is on them, a player not guaranteed to play who's only ever taken 1 then somethings gone wrong somewhere.
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Like so many of our shit cup defeats the team put out was much better than the team our opponents put out and yet we keep managing to lose.
Surely that's down to preparation and arrogance
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There is no point picking out individual players, it's the manager's responsibility and he got it wrong.
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Mings is finished at this level. He’s like a even slower traction engine.
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Well done to the opposition. Worked out the long ball and exploited it. Arrogant selection. Respect the opponent win the game then make subs.
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Oops.
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Mings is finished at this level. He’s like a even slower traction engine.
He was no worse than Torres, Maatsen or Lindelof tonight. Collectively shocking.
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Like so many of our shit cup defeats the team put out was much better than the team our opponents put out and yet we keep managing to lose.
It’s always like that. As soon as a manager doesn’t play the strongest team, it sends a signal to his own team and the opposition. Double whammy.
It’s futile to say the starting 11 was good enough to win. It wasn’t.
This is the most important competition of the season. Play the strongest team and take players off when secure.
Not a fatal result but will Unai learn. It’s not the first time we’ve lost to euro minnows
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Mings is finished at this level. He’s like a even slower traction engine.
Unfortunately I think you're spot on
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Well done to the opposition. Worked out the long ball and exploited it. Arrogant selection. Respect the opponent win the game then make subs.
Arrogance and lack of respect. Spot on.
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For a professional football team operating at the top end of the strongest league in World football, our penalty conversion rate is catastrophically poor.
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And Sancho.
Not much fart. Absolutely no shit.
What does he actually do?
Pick up £160k pw thank you very much
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We could really do with a Diaby or Duran.
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Far too casual, lacked any respect for the opposition and paid the price. Well done to them and a complete joke of a performance from us. Bogarde looks better each match, SJM/Kamara looked theor usual committed selves and Morgan is getting his mojo back, the rest of them can just fuck off.
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Hoping that was our Brugge act 1 moment
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Best that can be said is that at least we don’t have to have the Torres or Mings debate.
Actually no, we put some minutes in legs and the result will not affect us adversely in this competition, I don’t think.
Disappointing, though.
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The service into the penalty area was there. The chances were there. To score one goal was pathetic.
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We’re not scoring regulation tap in goals or headers we’re nowhere near clinical enough. Ollie looks past his best and on a steep decline.
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I thought, after the Brentford loss, McGinn said Malen was the penalty taker if he was on the pitch?
We need to have a designated penalty taker, not just who fancies it.
But we were arrogant & paid the price.
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Embarrassing defeat. Terrible performance, shocking penalty, some truly awful personal performances.
Certainly an embarrassing result, PL team coming to town and turned over. But we should have had the game won in the first 30 mins so the performance wasn't as bad as Bruges or Monaco for example. It was too easy, sure there was some favourable refereeing for their equaliser but the big issue on the night was that complacency kicked in again after half time. We didn't get back to work at all, no tempo set by the two in midfield and that abomination of a back 4 setup was only itching to be exploited. Dreadful missed penalty summed it up but that was never a penalty anyway.
I know Emery needed to get minutes into likes of Lindelof and Mings but Mings simply cannot play RCB. He hasn't a clue what to do there. Guessand was horribly poor too, looked a competition winner.
The difference when likes of Kamara, McGinn, Cash and Rogers came on was quite worrying.
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We’re not scoring regulation tap in goals or headers we’re nowhere near clinical enough. Ollie looks past his best and on a steep decline.
I seriously hope not but I have to agree.
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In the grand scheme of things it’s not that important but the level of shiteness in the middle 30 mins of the match was shake your head appalling. Oh well long trip back to Schipol now in a storm, this’ll be fun.
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Thankfully we don't need the £389,000 you get per win as our finances are so solid.
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Thankfully we don't need the £389,000 you get per win as our finances are so solid.
That probably pays the summer signings for one week.
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Thankfully we don't need the £389,000 you get per win as our finances are so solid.
That probably pays the summer signings for one week.
Or Jadon sancho for half an hour.
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Thankfully we don't need the £389,000 you get per win as our finances are so solid.
This is the other impact, we need every ounce of revenue and coefficient point.
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I think those saying a lack of respect, poor selection etc are a bit wide of the mark. We did more than enough in the first half to have the game wrapped up but poor execution let us down. We started with 10 players who have international caps, we should have had enough to beat, in all honesty, a quite poor team.
Shit happens, disappointing but it’s unlikely to hinder us progressing further in the competition.
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Collectively poor but to play with so much complacency is unforgivable in my eyes. Ok you’re the “second” 11 but you’re playing for the chance to be considered or challenge for better so why not at least try. Again, too slow in the build up but ffs if you can’t anticipate a ball in (doesn’t matter where you play) then you need a rocket.
Does Emery do this?
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You can’t play the same backline all the time, and to be fair tonight should have been fine to rest a couple given Digne was injured as well. But it does demonstrate we’re short at the back - Mings is not good at right centre back and Lindelof doesn’t offer much at right back.
Lindelof offers nothing full stop. Part of a very poor manchester united side, that he wasn't a regular in either. Sancho is a show pony and this needs to be knocked out of him. That said, our ability to attack the ball in the box was really really poor this evening. Go Ahead wanted it so much more when defending. Just as Buendia becomes a better player, he turns back into the Buendia we expect. Special word for Maatsen and Guessand, shocking.
Buendia was outstanding in the first half. Unfortunately it was Guessand he kept playing through.
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A most apposite/accurate comment posted on the Beeb match review :
"... any villa fan will tell you that if we are going to lose a game it’ll be the one everyone thinks you’re nailed on to win. Every time."
We've all seen them.
1964 Aldershot FA Cup
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Shit happens, disappointing but it’s unlikely to hinder us progressing further in the competition.
Yeah, if we were going to play poorly, miss chances/a penalty, and lose, then this one was the probably the time to do it.
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What ever happened to Success breeds success?
We recovered from a poor start and looked awesome on Sunday, then this.
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Shit happens, disappointing but it’s unlikely to hinder us progressing further in the competition.
Yeah, if we were going to play poorly and lose, this one was the probably the time to do it.
That's right, of course their is another possibility, was this an Unai Ruse, he does love to soft soap teams draw them in and hit them on the break, does he use the same thought pattern for a competition?, any deliberate banana skins in his tactics winning this cup 3 times with Seville and Villarreal.
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Does Emery often lose 3 in a row? Tactical loss to ensure we take something from the next two.
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The penalty miss summed us up. Should have taken our chances and if we do, the games won at half time.
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Does Emery often lose 3 in a row? Tactical loss to ensure we take something from the next two.
This is it, are we, in all our innocence missing something here that is totally screaming at us.
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I think we are in danger of being labelled bottle job fc. Favourites to win Conference league. Bottled it in the Semi against Olympiacos 6 fkn 2 on aggregate. Palace Semi final. No show. Man U where a point would secure CL football. Again no show. Every time we get a penalty we seem to bottle it. Two times tonight Pau needed to be brave when a cross came his way. Again bottled it. I'm very disappointed and tired after a long day. I might re-read this tomorrow and feel a bit silly about this post but right now I'm fucking pissed off with quite a few of our players.
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Losing to poor sides leaves you with less room to mess up further. Look at how close the Bruges fuck up came to costing us. It also costs you a chunk of money, as pointed out also co-efficient points and we now go into the ManC game having lost to a crap side instead of having won 6 in a row.
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Sancho did fine, I don’t know what anybody else saw but he looked the most likely to break the lines. Our problem was that we weren’t clinical enough and conceded from straight lobs into our box.
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❌ Buendia vs. Go Ahead Eagles
❌ Watkins vs. Bologna
✅ Rashford vs. Manchester City
❌ Asensio vs. Southampton
❌ Asensio vs. Southampton
✅ Rashford vs. Preston
✅ Asensio vs. Club Brugge
❌ Watkins vs. Celtic
✅ Watkins vs. Brighton
✅ Watkins vs. Brentford
❌ Tielemans vs.Crystal Palace
✅ Durán vs. Wycombe
❌ Luiz vs. Olympiacos
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Sancho did fine, I don’t know what anybody else saw but he looked the most likely to break the lines. Our problem was that we weren’t clinical enough and conceded from straight lobs into our box.
I thought he was one of our better players too.
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Losing to poor sides leaves you with less room to mess up further. Look at how close the Bruges fuck up came to costing us. It also costs you a chunk of money, as pointed out also co-efficient points and we now go into the ManC game having lost to a crap side instead of having won 6 in a row.
Yeah there’s no good from it. It’s rubbish, but it is what it is and we have to be so so much better on Sunday.
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Sancho did fine, I don’t know what anybody else saw but he looked the most likely to break the lines. Our problem was that we weren’t clinical enough and conceded from straight lobs into our box.
I thought he was one of our better players too.
Same, tried to be positive and take his man on and make something happen.
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Sancho did fine, I don’t know what anybody else saw but he looked the most likely to break the lines. Our problem was that we weren’t clinical enough and conceded from straight lobs into our box.
I thought he was one of our better players too.
Same, tried to be positive and take his man on and make something happen.
Yes, no idea why he was subbed but Guessand stayed on.
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I think we are in danger of being labelled bottle job fc. Favourites to win Conference league. Bottled it in the Semi against Olympiacos 6 fkn 2 on aggregate. Palace Semi final. No show. Man U where a point would secure CL football. Again no show. Every time we get a penalty we seem to bottle it. Two times tonight Pau needed to be brave when a cross came his way. Again bottled it. I'm very disappointed and tired after a long day. I might re-read this tomorrow and feel a bit silly about this post but right now I'm fucking pissed off with quite a few of our players.
This has crossed my mind.
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❌ Buendia vs. Go Ahead Eagles
❌ Watkins vs. Bologna
✅ Rashford vs. Manchester City
❌ Asensio vs. Southampton
❌ Asensio vs. Southampton
✅ Rashford vs. Preston
✅ Asensio vs. Club Brugge
❌ Watkins vs. Celtic
✅ Watkins vs. Brighton
✅ Watkins vs. Brentford
❌ Tielemans vs.Crystal Palace
✅ Durán vs. Wycombe
❌ Luiz vs. Olympiacos
That makes for shocking reading. Any professional outfit should be ashamed of those stats. Maybe we should sign Ivan Toney just for his penalty taking record
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No need to reread this you’re spiot on. Watch the pundits jump on this
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When teams sit with 10 behind the ball we need to do something different. Ie, send Mings up top and fire in some crosses perhaps? No, we keep doing the same as we were doing for 30 mins with no effect whatsoever. Work on it Unai.
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❌ Buendia vs. Go Ahead Eagles
❌ Watkins vs. Bologna
✅ Rashford vs. Manchester City
❌ Asensio vs. Southampton
❌ Asensio vs. Southampton
✅ Rashford vs. Preston
✅ Asensio vs. Club Brugge
❌ Watkins vs. Celtic
✅ Watkins vs. Brighton
✅ Watkins vs. Brentford
❌ Tielemans vs.Crystal Palace
✅ Durán vs. Wycombe
❌ Luiz vs. Olympiacos
That makes for shocking reading. Any professional outfit should be ashamed of those stats. Maybe we should sign Ivan Toney just for his penalty taking record
Get Dougy back would be even better.
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We were chasing the game for half an hour and their keeper had smeg all to do apart from goal kicks.
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I think we are in danger of being labelled bottle job fc. Favourites to win Conference league. Bottled it in the Semi against Olympiacos 6 fkn 2 on aggregate. Palace Semi final. No show. Man U where a point would secure CL football. Again no show. Every time we get a penalty we seem to bottle it. Two times tonight Pau needed to be brave when a cross came his way. Again bottled it. I'm very disappointed and tired after a long day. I might re-read this tomorrow and feel a bit silly about this post but right now I'm fucking pissed off with quite a few of our players.
This has crossed my mind.
It's crossed my mind, decided it likes the ambience and is now converting a barn in there.
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When teams sit with 10 behind the ball we need to do something different. Ie, send Mings up top and fire in some crosses perhaps? No, we keep doing the same as we were doing for 30 mins with no effect whatsoever. Work on it Unai.
I'm never one to critcise Emery he's our best manager in a generation but he's not infallible. That back four tonight was weak, unbalanced and slow. He could of gone with 3 at the back with a central defender looking to deal with the long ball over the top. We used to call those sweepers lol. Setting us up with a flat back four invited the long ball over the top which was our undoing in the end. Well that and our woeful finishing.
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We also missed 2 out of 4 pens in the Brentford cup game.
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Now that I've had a bit of time to reflect on this evening's events and consider the bigger picture I can say I'M STILL FUCKING FURIOUS.
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WTF happened. Just landed in Madrid to.see we lost...watched the first half and we were all over them. Ok, didn't take chances but 2nd half I thought we would kick on. FFS.
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Absolute shame to the club. What a complete embarrassment.
No player comes oyt of this game with any positive
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The "Rita Hayworth" gauge has just exploded.
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I was suprised to see sancho come off and Guessand stay on , I think sancho has scored 9 out of 10 pens too in his career so if he was on , could have been the pen taker. Buendia could hardly see out his eyes and looked like he was going to miss it .
There was one great cross by sancho and Watkins didnt even go in for it , I looked at my son and said where is Withe when you need him.
Suprised with all the changes he still played Martinez instead of the bizot , like someone said thou , play your best and then get them off when you have won it , more chance of winning this cup then geting top 4 for me anyway .
Win Sunday and this will be forgotten.
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When teams sit with 10 behind the ball we need to do something different. Ie, send Mings up top and fire in some crosses perhaps? No, we keep doing the same as we were doing for 30 mins with no effect whatsoever. Work on it Unai.
I'm never one to critcise Emery he's our best manager in a generation but he's not infallible. That back four tonight was weak, unbalanced and slow. He could of gone with 3 at the back with a central defender looking to deal with the long ball over the top. We used to call those sweepers lol. Setting us up with a flat back four invited the long ball over the top which was our undoing in the end. Well that and our woeful finishing.
I would interpret it that he went out of his way to try the pairing out, otherwise he’d have played Konsa - who must be a tremendous athlete and is rarely rotated. Let’s hope Emery learned something from it!
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Shame to the club is a bit much. It was a rubbish performance and result, but that’s the extent of it.
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We also missed 2 out of 4 pens in the Brentford cup game.
And the two that scored have both missed since.
Of our current employees:
Buendia, Watkins, Cash, McGinn and Tielemans all missed their last Villa penalty.
Konsa and... that's it... scored their last Villa penalty.
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Yeah and they’ve all been bad pens from memory too.
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Cash was a good save imo
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Sancho did fine, I don’t know what anybody else saw but he looked the most likely to break the lines. Our problem was that we weren’t clinical enough and conceded from straight lobs into our box.
I thought he was one of our better players too.
Same, tried to be positive and take his man on and make something happen.
Yes, no idea why he was subbed but Guessand stayed on.
Ridiculous decision.
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I fail to see that Sancho is given “a good game”. Every time he went inside the man towards other defenders and never ever pulled the defence apart. Not once did he go outside the defence to pull them apart, all he did was make more people in the middle rather than causing problems amongst the defence.
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Shame to the club is a bit much. It was a rubbish performance and result, but that’s the extent of it.
We can agree to disagree, but i think they have bought us complete embarrassment tonight. They are one of the worst teams in the competition, midtable in the dutch league (they are probably league one standard ) and to top it off they had two players go off injured!
I just cannot believe we lost it. Unbelievable
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The game should have been over after 20mins. Dreadful result. Unai said anything yet?
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The game should have been over after 20mins. Dreadful result. Unai said anything yet?
Emery said: “We enjoyed a lot in Europe and we’ve had a lot of experiences in Europe – Conference League, Champions League and this year the Europa League.
“We’ve started the season very good in the Europa League and Europe helped us to get better and feel more comfortable in this competition.
“Today was a match we were dominating, we were creating chances, and we scored the first goal. We conceded a few chances to them and they were clinical.
“They competed very well, defending fantastic. We tried with the penalty we had, but we missed it, and we have to accept it.
“We have to tell our supporters who are here with us how grateful we are that they are supporting us and coming with us to play here away.
“Away is an experience I’ve always felt is difficult, like today. I’m positive, but today I’m feeling disappointed and a little frustrated
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At least he hasn’t called them lazy… complacent should have been the word…
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I fail to see that Sancho is given “a good game”. Every time he went inside the man towards other defenders and never ever pulled the defence apart. Not once did he go outside the defence to pull them apart, all he did was make more people in the middle rather than causing problems amongst the defence.
Agreed
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That was a shocking result against a team who are mid-table Championship level at best. Two really poor goals conceded.
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I also thought Sancho did alright, although it shows the weakness of playing with inverted wingers, he beat his full back regularly but he just didn't seem confident picking anyone out with his left peg. Given how little he's played, I thought it was a promising go and he certainly did better than Guessand.
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The game should have been over after 20mins. Dreadful result. Unai said anything yet?
Emery said: “We enjoyed a lot in Europe and we’ve had a lot of experiences in Europe – Conference League, Champions League and this year the Europa League.
“We’ve started the season very good in the Europa League and Europe helped us to get better and feel more comfortable in this competition.
“Today was a match we were dominating, we were creating chances, and we scored the first goal. We conceded a few chances to them and they were clinical.
“They competed very well, defending fantastic. We tried with the penalty we had, but we missed it, and we have to accept it.
“We have to tell our supporters who are here with us how grateful we are that they are supporting us and coming with us to play here away.
“Away is an experience I’ve always felt is difficult, like today. I’m positive, but today I’m feeling disappointed and a little frustrated
I he is underestimating How important silverware is. I think fans would be able to accept a mid table leaguefinish if we win silverware and champions league qualification in Europe.
However, , withhis team selections and strategies, we are likely to finish mid table in the leagueand go out early in the Europa, basically achieving neither objective. Silly.
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0-10 for Emery. Our best 11 would have won that comfortably, and I hate seeing weak teams picked in cup matches.
Starting to wish we had taken the money for Watkins last January as we would struggle to get £20m for him at the end of the season.
How bad must Elliot be in training not to get a match here?
Not going to have a go at Buendia - he shouldn't have been taking the pen in first place. It is worrying none of our forwards wanted to take it though.
My office in the Netherlands is 15 minutes from Deventer, I am going to get a lot of stick about this all week. Not happy.
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We are just not good enough mentally at the moment to be resting some of our first team players. We need to be playing our best eleven for every game, and give every opponent the respect they deserve. We go a goal up and think we are billy big balls and we have the game in the bag. We have a long way to go with this squad of players, they seem to let us down just as we think we've turned a corner. Anyway, thats done and dusted. A shitshow. Bring on Citeh.
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I fail to see that Sancho is given “a good game”. Every time he went inside the man towards other defenders and never ever pulled the defence apart. Not once did he go outside the defence to pull them apart, all he did was make more people in the middle rather than causing problems amongst the defence.
Sancho set the goal up by going on the outside didn’t he? As is the fashion now he plays on the wrong side so invariably goes inside onto his stronger foot. Some of it is, likely, through instruction as Cash does by passing back/ inside.
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We are just not good enough mentally at the moment to be resting some of our first team players. We need to be playing our best eleven for every game, and give every opponent the respect they deserve. We go a goal up and think we are billy big balls and we have the game in the bag. We have a long way to go with this squad of players, they seem to let us down just as we think we've turned a corner. Anyway, thats done and dusted. A shitshow. Bring on Citeh.
That's a correct assessment I would say
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I honestly don't remember a game where our movement in the box, to attack crosses was as bad. That said, our crossing was also really poor.
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I actually think this result is worse than the brugge one in group phase last season. This team looked alot worse.
I know unai doesn't want to destroy them publicly which is probably the best interests of all. But i bet behind the scenes he is absolutely livid with that shite tonight.
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I actually think this result is worse than the brugge one in group phase last season. This team looked alot worse.
I know unai doesn't want to destroy them publicly which is probably the best interests of all. But i bet behind the scenes he is absolutely livid with that shite tonight.
Needs introspection as well
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I honestly don't remember a game where our movement in the box, to attack crosses was as bad. That said, our crossing was also really poor.
Right - I wouldn't bother moving for those crosses as none of them were making it anywhere near when they should have. The one or two flukes that did - you are right, nobody on the end of them. I remember one where Ollie could have stuck something out surely to get a touch but didn't bother and then same with Pau in the second half, I'll excuse him a little as he's a defender.
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I honestly don't remember a game where our movement in the box, to attack crosses was as bad. That said, our crossing was also really poor.
Right - I wouldn't bother moving for those crosses as none of them were making it anywhere near when they should have. The one or two flukes that did - you are right, nobody on the end of them. I remember one where Ollie could have stuck something out surely to get a touch but didn't bother and then same with Pau in the second half, I'll excuse him a little as he's a defender.
I agree. Sometimes, hard work can turn a poor ball into a better ball and tonight, we looked unbothered. We really miss a ruthless striker. Ollie has been great but seems to be on the downturn. Malen was invisible, atrocious.
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Thankfully we don't need the £389,000 you get per win as our finances are so solid.
Easily recoup that if we reach the knockout stage by putting up the price of tickets by £10 each!
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We are so going to need to sign a centre forward in January. It's all very well signing flexible forwards, but it simply means they aren't good enough to lead the line.
That said, perspective - result tonight won't matter a jot in terms of qualification in the end other than the fact we'll have to put a strong team out in the next few games rather than a scratch team.
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Should have crushed it 3 or 4 as they were utter wank.
They were so up for it that it was hilarious. Silly ****** po going about and only avoiding a right cross to be clobbered by the Dutch plod.
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It just gives us less room rotation and bad results, when there was really no need and we should be on 9 points….
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Should have crushed it 3 or 4 as they were utter wank.
They were so up for it that it was hilarious. Silly ****** po going about and only avoiding a right cross to be clobbered by the Dutch plod.
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I only saw the second half so can only comment on that. I haven’t even seen our goal yet. In all that time of 48 minutes I don’t think there keeper made on e save. Shite.
We were flat, lacking in energy and intensity. Maatsen and Sancho showed intent on the left but ran into bodies and didn’t offload quickly enough. On the right I can’t really blame Lindelof for not overlapping and causing danger as he’s a pedestrian centre half. Maatsen seemed to be checking his instagram posts for their second- completely asleep.
Nobody played well, though the subs made us better. From what I saw Bogarde was probably the least poor player out there.
FFS practice penalties. The goal doesn’t move and you’re professional footballers.
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I actually think this result is worse than the brugge one in group phase last season. This team looked alot worse.
I know unai doesn't want to destroy them publicly which is probably the best interests of all. But i bet behind the scenes he is absolutely livid with that shite tonight.
Emery needs to look at himself after that. No plan B, just throw on the subs and hope for the best.
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We are down to 10th!
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I actually think this result is worse than the brugge one in group phase last season. This team looked alot worse.
I know unai doesn't want to destroy them publicly which is probably the best interests of all. But i bet behind the scenes he is absolutely livid with that shite tonight.
Emery needs to look at himself after that. No plan B, just throw on the subs and hope for the best.
Thought he should have changed it earlier when it was 1-1. We were going flat at that point and needed a lift, but instead got caught on a really poor way.
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Should have crushed it 3 or 4 as they were utter wank.
They were so up for it that it was hilarious. Silly ****** po going about and only avoiding a right cross to be clobbered by the Dutch plod.
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If you watched the first 35 minutes of that you would have thought we were playing an amateur side. They were woeful - huge gaps we could play through from back to front. Final ball and finishing unbelievably wasteful.
Once again we become laboured in possession to the low block. We have to be more intense, move the ball quicker, get the ball into the box. Pass, pass, pass around the 18 yard box for most of the second half with so little purpose.
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They’d struggle in League One. Absolute shit show of a performance.
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This team, this squad - and I’m including Unai - has a mentality problem.
Whether it’s a massive, massive cup final or equivalent (olympiakos, palace, Utd), or what’s considered an ‘easy’,opponent, we show the wrong mentality.
We have it in us to completely bottle it, or act like swaggering prima donnas who believe they don’t need to put the effort it.
Unai has talked about our mentality since he got here.
He still can bloody well sort it though.
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A brilliant impersonation of Blose, who the fuck thought that was a good idea for a Villa football kit?
Beaten by a pub team.
A few players need to look at themselves tonight.
Guessand would have looked out of place playing for them.
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I honestly don't remember a game where our movement in the box, to attack crosses was as bad. That said, our crossing was also really poor.
Right - I wouldn't bother moving for those crosses as none of them were making it anywhere near when they should have. The one or two flukes that did - you are right, nobody on the end of them. I remember one where Ollie could have stuck something out surely to get a touch but didn't bother and then same with Pau in the second half, I'll excuse him a little as he's a defender.
There were several crosses that fizzed across the face of goal that were crying out for someone to attack the ball. Off the top of my head I can think of two. One was in front of Ollie and the other just needed Pau to grow a pair and stick his head onto a cross but he bottled it and his head pulled away like a tortoise going into his shell. I'm fuming with him for that particular one. As for Ollie, for all his effort which is very valuable to us his main job should be to score goals but he's failing miserably so far. His big chance conversion rate must be absolutely shocking.
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Mings is finished at this level. He’s like a even slower traction engine.
I thought that tonight but it made me feel very sad.
He looks gone.
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I thought Torres was in a great position for 2 chances, not 1.
What’s the point though of getting yourself up there for that absolute reason, and then not reacting to the chances you were hoping for and expecting ?
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I honestly don't remember a game where our movement in the box, to attack crosses was as bad. That said, our crossing was also really poor.
Right - I wouldn't bother moving for those crosses as none of them were making it anywhere near when they should have. The one or two flukes that did - you are right, nobody on the end of them. I remember one where Ollie could have stuck something out surely to get a touch but didn't bother and then same with Pau in the second half, I'll excuse him a little as he's a defender.
There were several crosses that fizzed across the face of goal that were crying out for someone to attack the ball. Off the top of my head I can think of two. One was in front of Ollie and the other just needed Pau to grow a pair and stick his head onto a cross but he bottled it and his head pulled away like a tortoise going into his shell. I'm fuming with him for that particular one. As for Ollie, for all his effort which is very valuable to us his main job should be to score goals but he's failing miserably so far. His big chance conversion rate must be absolutely shocking.
Agreed, there was a lot of good deliveries into their box. Buendia in first half from corners alone. Thought Mings should have done better from one late on too, might have been from Cash.
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I actually think this result is worse than the brugge one in group phase last season. This team looked alot worse.
Worse result but better performance. I think we had two half chances in the first half in Brugge. Absolutely turgid plus Mings' brain fart. Tonight we peppered their box and should have scored a hatful.
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The start was the worst thing that could have happened to us, it seemed to breed complacency. As our lack of intensity waned we invited them back into the game, played right into their hands.
Still, least we can get it back in the home leg.