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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on September 13, 2025, 04:56:16 PM
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Dismal. A point more than we deserved,
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Insipid.
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Another atrocious performance, lucky to get a point. This is becoming a real problem, 4 games without a goal is pathetic.
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They had 20 fucking shots on goal to our 6. And thank fuck they are Everton and not Arsenal or Liverpool. Because we’d have lost by 10 today. Absolutely fucking shit.
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Only saw the second but same old same old.
Decent ten minute spell where we looked like we might score but then we retreated and were basically asking Everton to score at the end.
Can we please have Elliott and Guessand starting at Sunderland please or do they need months to learn the system that isn't producing any goals or clear cut chances at present?!
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4 games in and we've never looked like scoring or putting together a slick move or sustained pressure.
We're in a really bad way.
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When the ball hits the net, what's that feeling like? Is it good? I can't wait to experience it.
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Don’t look like scoring, Emerys Villa has run out of gas.
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Better result than I expected. We need to get some belief and confidence from somewhere.
Big Emi’s back!
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The big worry is the only time we look like creating a goal is when we fuck up in defence.
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Gerrard level shite this season so far.
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We were fortunate to get what we came for and its only because Everton are such a poor team.
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Boring.
Emery furious at the end.
it was a waste of a Saturday afternoon.
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Another atrocious performance, lucky to get a point. This is becoming a real problem, 4 games without a goal is pathetic.
What is more pathetic is how easy it is for other teams to play through us and create chances. Everton should have scored one at least. So should have Newcastle. You can't say the same at all for us. It isn't like our player are missing sitters like Gordon or Beto.
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Put out a Gerrard team, perform like a Bruce team. It's been boring as fuck for a few months now.
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I thought Emery was going to pop a blood vessel at the end there when we bollocksed up another attack. It was the only entertaining thing that happened all afternoon.
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Having watched the whole game, we played ok for long periods but we are totally insipid in front of goal. If you include ManUre last season, that's 5 games without a fucking goal. Something has to change and change fast.
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Poor for much of the game. At least we didn't lose and Emi M made amends for the nonsense of a couple of weeks ago.
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Chuffed with a point but we still look lame.
We haven't looked like scoring at all which is why we haven't and something needs to change in that respect.
At least we battled and there was no lack of desire, optimistically, small steps.....
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Recruitment has largely been shit since Emery has been here. Still relying on the players brought in under Smith and Gerard is pathetic
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Gerrard level shite this season so far.
The starting line up was pretty much his team minus Rogers. After 3 years of Emery and Monchi thats quite telling.
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It was a dreadful game with two really poor teams. We were lucky they had Beto up front as he contrived to miss two sitters. We have no fluency and zero goal threat. Grealish was the best player on the park by a country mile.
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The only team in all 4 leagues not to have scored - and not even looking likely to.
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I wonder what the league's stats show regarding blocked shots, blocked crosses and intercepted passes. I bet we are right up there. And it's a symptom of the total lack of belief from top to bottom - we are hesitant, indecisive and everything we do is just that tick too slow. It's very reminiscent of Gerrardball.
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The only team in all 4 leagues not to have scored - and not even looking likely to.
Extend it to all the British leagues and we still have Aberdeen for company.
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Gerrard level shite this season so far.
Yup 0 isn’t reflective of good defending either. We’ve been fucking dreadful, front to back. Not good enough.
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I didn’t even want to see goals, anyway. Goals are overrated. Real football fans enjoy the purity of passing for its own sake. All those other teams in all the other leagues don’t know what they are missing.
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I am a bit worried. Im trying not to judge any of the newer players as were just woeful at the moment
Rogers has been awful this season - ollie has barely had a touch. We have no width, pace or guile. Beudia and the GK and defence are the only ones that havent looked completely out of sorts this season.
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We've turned into a team playing some of the worst football I've ever seen sprinkled with endless time wasting and slowing almost every 'rare' attack to walking pace.
I know a relegation battle season when I see one. We'll be the new spuds this season minus the trophy.
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A point away is usually ok in the Prem, but this Everton side are not a good side, workmanlike but poor and yet we made them look a lot better than they are. Disappointing again.
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this reminds me of Remi Garde football - he just didn't have any good players
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Little Emi did okay, big Emi was crucial when needed. Rogers, 3x I counted where he had an attempt at putting Watkins through and hit a shit pass each time.
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The only team in all 4 leagues not to have scored - and not even looking likely to.
Extend it to all the British leagues and we still have Aberdeen for company.
YES! Losers.
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Sadly, we are where we deserve to be at the moment. We need a scabby, lucky, early goal to get us firing again. I don't like the tippy tappy, slow it down shit.
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Gerrard level shite this season so far.
It really is. I never thought for a second we’d ever see this kind of performance again. But we have now for 4 straight games. I have genuinely no belief we will get anything in the cup in the week either. What an utterly shit start to the season.
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We need a Duran style rule breaker because I feel like a lot of players are taking Emery's instructions too literally.
Ollie isint moving about the pitch because Emery has told him to stay central, which isint working because you need quick wide players if your striker doesn't have movement.
It would be nice if someone said fuck this control malarkey and smashed it in the net.
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I thought Emi kept us in it with all those one after each other Everton corners at the end.
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Grim stuff, don't even think we deserved a clean sheet. Definitely didn't deserve a goal anyway! Positives, Martinez back on board, Mings was solid, McGinn much better in midfield.
Negatives, our start. A better team has us beaten early on. No sign of a new spirit in the team after the transfer window. Tactically, a mess really, Grealish given acres of space in first half. What are we even trying to do with the ball? Digne looks done
Martinez 7 - fortunate to get away with that dropped cross from KDH. But brilliant save from Grealish in first and the header in second half.
Cash 6 - no support when Grealish ran amock in first half and an idiotic yellow card. But solid second half.
Konsa 3 - soft as shite, asleep for that Beto chance, beaten by Keane in air for another and a better team punish that error late on that Mings bailed him out on
Mings 8 - average enough in first half but dominated the second half, covered errors from Konsa and Martinez. Granted Beto is rubbish
Digne 4 - awful first half, couldn't cope with their winger at all. Not getting forward and I fear he's done at this level
Bogarde 6 - lost in first half but battled well in second. Passing not his strength
Tielemans 4 - miles off pace and another injury
McGinn 7 - like Tielemans in first but miles better in second half. One great block on Garner
Buendia 7 - probably our best player in second half so stupid decision from Emery to hook him before Rogers. Lively
Rogers 2 - complete waste of space
Watkins 4 - might aswell not have played, not his fault really
Guessand sub at least cut the space Grealish had and supported Cash. But looks very limited on the ball. Elliot had a few nice touches at 10 but we were settling for the draw then. Lindelof and Malen ran down the clock.
Emery - worrying as he is struggling to get any kind of response from his players so far this season. Better side than Everton buries us early on. I fear we will see that when we play a decent team
Tolerance of Rogers has become a big problem.
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The only team in all 4 leagues not to have scored - and not even looking likely to.
Extend it to all the British leagues and we still have Aberdeen for company.
YES! Losers.
It’s actually the only team in the top 7 leagues, according to Rebecca Lowe
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Recruitment has largely been shit since Emery has been here. Still relying on the players brought in under Smith and Gerard is pathetic
We've signed some cracking players. The problem is a lot o them have already gone. Diaby looked set to be our Henry the first few months he was here, then Bailey pushed him out of the side as he became a world beater. Now both are gone.
It is very unusual. It's a bit bonkers. The revolving door of outgoings has left us with 7 starters from pre-Emery
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Dominated in posession by famous juego de posiciòn aficionados David Moyes' Everton.
Honestly, the fuck is going on? Something is horribly wrong tactically. This extraordinary tentativeness, it communicates a message to the players, and that message is 'we're not good enough to compete'.
Of course, individual performances were poor (Rogers, atrocious; Watkins, absent), but there's something structural, because the chances of all of your players having a massive personal deep in form at the same time are vanishingly small.
One thought - we badly miss an in-form Torres. So much of our play in the last couple of good years has come from Pau getting the ball in the centre circle and making some space or beating a man or playing a sharp ball right on the toes of the attacker in the right spot to make it count. He's been bullied out of the defence (so to speak) by very obvious tactics we've failed to help him against, and without him we've got so little to offer when the opposition is set and we've got the ball at the back.
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Grim stuff, don't even think we deserved a clean sheet. Definitely didn't deserve a goal anyway! Positives, Martinez back on board, Mings was solid, McGinn much better in midfield.
Negatives, our start. A better team has us beaten early on. No sign of a new spirit in the team after the transfer window. Tactically, a mess really, Grealish given acres of space in first half. What are we even trying to do with the ball? Digne looks done
Martinez 7 - fortunate to get away with that dropped cross from KDH. But brilliant save from Grealish in first and the header in second half.
Cash 6 - no support when Grealish ran amock in first half and an idiotic yellow card. But solid second half.
Konsa 3 - soft as shite, asleep for that Beto chance, beaten by Keane in air for another and a better team punish that error late on that Mings bailed him out on
Mings 8 - average enough in first half but dominated the second half, covered errors from Konsa and Martinez. Granted Beto is rubbish
Digne 4 - awful first half, couldn't cope with their winger at all. Not getting forward and I fear he's done at this level
Bogarde 6 - lost in first half but battled well in second. Passing not his strength
Tielemans 4 - miles off pace and another injury
McGinn 7 - like Tielemans in first but miles better in second half. One great block on Garner
Buendia 7 - probably our best player in second half so stupid decision from Emery to hook him before Rogers. Lively
Rogers 2 - complete waste of space
Watkins 4 - might aswell not have played, not his fault really
Guessand sub at least cut the space Grealish had and supported Cash. But looks very limited on the ball. Elliot had a few nice touches at 10 but we were settling for the draw then. Lindelof and Malen ran down the clock.
Emery - worrying as he is struggling to get any kind of response from his players so far this season. Better side than Everton buries us early on. I fear we will see that when we play a decent team
Tolerance of Rogers has become a big problem.
Agree with all this
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I know we all love Unai, but I wonder if we need a fresh perspective. Iraola gets a tune out of these players.
Yes, that’s knee jerk and probably premature. But…
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9 of the starting 11 today were here before Emery.
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One positive is I thought they all worked very hard.
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I know we all love Unai, but I wonder if we need a fresh perspective. Iraola gets a tune out of these players.
Yes, that’s knee jerk and probably premature. But…
Or Glasner. Considering what he’s done with Palace he’d win 2 FA Cups in the same season with us.
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My brother phoned me at 14.59 to make sure I was awake for the game and at the moment he's the biggest c*nt in the world to me.
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How many saves have the opposition keepers made against us...1, maybe 2?
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This is the result Clampy said he'd be happy with. Maybe he's right.
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One thought - we badly miss an in-form Torres. So much of our play in the last couple of good years has come from Pau getting the ball in the centre circle and making some space or beating a man or playing a sharp ball right on the toes of the attacker in the right spot to make it count. He's been bullied out of the defence (so to speak) by very obvious tactics we've failed to help him against, and without him we've got so little to offer when the opposition is set and we've got the ball at the back.
The in-form Torres was a very long time ago. Can't pass wind these days. Let's say he finds his passing boots, Rogers and Watkins with their mahogany shins aren't making it stick anyway. Maybe there's something in that out ball option to a Diaby or Bailey on the right wing isn't there any more for him.
I think Maatsen, for better or worse, needs a long run in the team now. We absolutely have to get more width and legs into the team.
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Man 0 goals in four games is embarrassing
Cant believe it honestly
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Dominated in posession by famous juego de posiciòn aficionados David Moyes' Everton.
Were we? Dominated in attacking intent definitely but still shied possesion, which seems to be the only winning stat we have these days.
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9 of the starting 11 today were here before Emery.
I miss JJ and Leon. If they weren't injured and pushed-out we could have had a full-house XI !
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10 shots on target across four league games and four of those were in a match we lost 3-0.
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How many saves have the opposition keepers made against us...1, maybe 2?
3 v Newcastle, 2 against Brentford, 4 against Palace, 1 today.
If you mean actual saves rather then back-pass level stops, then you are probably correct.
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I know we all love Unai, but I wonder if we need a fresh perspective. Iraola gets a tune out of these players.
Yes, that’s knee jerk and probably premature. But…
Uni has a lot of credit in the tank for the last few seasons, but he will burn through that very quickly if he can't turn this around very quickly. Spurs and Man Ure last year proved reputations count for nothing and a season like they had last year could put us back years.
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9 of the starting 11 today were here before Emery.
I miss JJ and Leon. If they weren't injured and pushed-out we could have had a full-house XI !
Would have been 10 with Kamara, but Rogers would be getting game even if he ran up to Emery and punched him in the stomach during warm-up.
Technically Bogarde was here before Emery as well.
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Is it just a blip or have the players stopped reacting to him and going through the motions? Our international players played a lot better for their countries than they have for Villa this season.
Needs sorting quick.
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Yep, it’s so clear that what we’re doing isn’t working. It’s a coaching thing first and foremost.
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xG this season, opponent xG in brackets
Newcastle 0.13 (1.47)
Brentford 1.23 (1.27)
Palace 1.13 (2.67)
Everton 0.54 (2.17)
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How many saves have the opposition keepers made against us...1, maybe 2?
3 v Newcastle, 2 against Brentford, 4 against Palace, 1 today.
If you mean actual saves rather then back-pass level stops, then you are probably correct.
Factoring in we didn't score then those numbers aren't great reading.
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It is a good job that we have had two weeks to prepare for that utter shit otherwise it could have been much worse!
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xG this season, opponent xG in brackets
Newcastle 0.13 (1.47)
Brentford 1.23 (1.27)
Palace 1.13 (2.67)
Everton 0.54 (2.17)
2 points is good going then!
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It is a good job that we have had two weeks to prepare for that utter shit otherwise it could have been much worse!
Probably more 2-3 days considering most were away.
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I know we all love Unai, but I wonder if we need a fresh perspective. Iraola gets a tune out of these players.
Yes, that’s knee jerk and probably premature. But…
He certainly needs some help as right now he can't see the wood from the trees. A Ferguson 'Carlos Queiroz' type appointment to give him a new set of eyes and ideas wouldn't go amiss not that Unai would ever think or agree to it.
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I mentioned pre-match that Kamara and to an extent Onana missing is a big hole in the defensive midfield area, and it showed. UE said they're both close to returning, thankfully.
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Very worrying. How we went from CL heroes to this is alarming. I can’t see Unai wanting to stay.
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Very worrying. How we went from CL heroes to this is alarming. I can’t see Unai wanting to stay.
It’s in his hands to stay by making changes to change the performances.
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OptaJoe
@OptaJoe
4 - Aston Villa have failed to score in their opening four league games of a season for the first time in their history. Blank.
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Slow pedantic predictable without creating virtually nothing just like the previous three games. We have gone from a team looking like we can beat any team to a team that would struggle to score past Coventry
Emi motm but this is a tad alarming that we are playing shit and not scoring goals
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I [referred it when we were making positive records under Unai, not Lambert style crap ones.
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One positive is I thought they all worked very hard.
(https://i.ibb.co/mFqnXk8v/IMG-5839.jpg) (https://ibb.co/mFqnXk8v)
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OptaJoe
@OptaJoe
4 - Aston Villa have failed to score in their opening four league games of a season for the first time in their history. Blank.
Breaking records baby
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So last season we couldn’t stop the goals going in for months on end, this season we’ve fixed that but can’t score!
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9 of the starting 11 today were here before Emery.
Probably as worrying as the last 4 performances tbh.
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When we are starting Buendía and Bogarde, it says a lot, but when they were actually better than most of the rest, that also says a lot.
We kept them out, but at least they were pushing and trying to win and Grealish gives them a sense that something will happen, whereas currently we have nobody doing that.
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if they had something resembling a centre forward Everton would have won easily.
ie if Watkins had been playing for them
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I don't think it's as bad as some are saying and this flat spot may be a necessary reset.
Or it's not going to improve at all and we face starting again which doesn't bear thinking about.
I'll go for the former and progress on Tuesday and a win on Sunday...
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Rogers is an enigma. A MOTM display for England yet toothless again today. I wonder if he's pissed off at not getting that big move during the summer. Mings hinted that there were things happening behind the scenes and players body language doesn't indicate a happy dressing room. Who knows.
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xG this season, opponent xG in brackets
Newcastle 0.13 (1.47)
Brentford 1.23 (1.27)
Palace 1.13 (2.67)
Everton 0.54 (2.17)
2 points is good going then!
Yep, if anything, we're over-performing!
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I wish we could go back to the team with diabs and luiz. We have gone backwards since then.
If we can't score against these four clubs god knows what happens when we play the likes of liverpool and arsenal.
Its actually five league games we haven't scored as we fired blanks vs manure. 5 games 0 goals. Abysmal
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My brother phoned me at 14.59 to make sure I was awake for the game and at the moment he's the biggest c*nt in the world to me.
I finished work at 6 this morning and I’ve stayed up all day to watch shit football.
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We had 10 points from the equivalent 4 games last season.
From the way we have played in the 4 games this season, if we had no points so far, I don't think it would have been an unfair reflection.
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9 of the starting 11 today were here before Emery.
Probably as worrying as the last 4 performances tbh.
In some ways I credit him with this as at least he’s humble enough to realise the signings made under his regime haven’t been good enough rather than playing his signings regardless.
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My brother phoned me at 14.59 to make sure I was awake for the game and at the moment he's the biggest c*nt in the world to me.
I finished work at 6 this morning and I’ve stayed up all day to watch shit football.
Jaysus, thats commitment. I finished at 6, set my alarm for 2.55. Wish I'd just stayed in bed.
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Rogers is an enigma. A MOTM display for England yet toothless again today. I wonder if he's pissed off at not getting that big move during the summer. Mings hinted that there were things happening behind the scenes and players body language doesn't indicate a happy dressing room. Who knows.
Two years ago I did not even know Rogers existed. You would like to think there would be some gratitude there from him for what Villa and Emery did for him
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Rogers was ok for England against a team that gave him more time and space than he gets in the PL.
He has been awful this season for us and crap again today.
His passing was abysmal.
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He’s lost interest. So have the players.
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Goals are vastly over-rated.
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How many players these days, especially now actually stay after training is over, much around with the ball, try a few new things and work on weak parts of their game? I reckon it would be none.
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It was better than the first few games and we got a point. That's where the positives stop.
Not so long ago we were a team tat created loads of chances and one that could beat ANYBODY when in the mood. But now...
We've become a very, very boring team to watch. Ponderous, slow, toothless, lethargic, devoid of danger going forward. This dramatic demise is completely consistent with Morgan Rogers and his form (for Villa) falling off a cliff. It's like we're playing with 10 men at the moment. his first touch is a tackle and he passed to an Everton player more times than to a Villa player. He is atrocious at the moment.
I don't know what to say really. The manager is a coaching genius. We have the same players, by and large. Maybe a few of them aren't quite the same because they wanted to leave (O Wtkins, I'm looking at you) or are peaked last season (Mr McGinn perhaps).
Fuck knows, but since that no show at Old Trafford, we have looked like last rites Gerrard and it has to change or we'll be 15th at best this season.
Shite.
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The most frustrating thing about today is Everton are still a really poor team and we missed out on three easy points.
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xG this season, opponent xG in brackets
Newcastle 0.13 (1.47)
Brentford 1.23 (1.27)
Palace 1.13 (2.67)
Everton 0.54 (2.17)
2 points is good going then!
Yes because one of them is a real stat and the other doesn’t exist
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Something isn’t right.
I reckon McGinn, Rodges, Watkins and Tielemans aren’t onboard at the moment.
Lose those group and the attacking flair is gone.
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Haven’t seen today yet but in the three previous matches I have watched we’ve had no balance whatsoever. You can’t play football without balance and it’s bound to affect individual performances. Bailey took a lot of flak but he always gave us shape and occupied the defence. When they came in Rashford and Asensio gave us a balanced look.
I’m amazed Unai can’t see it as he has generally seemed so wise. I think everyone knows the quality of Monchi’s signings hasn’t been great (apart from the loans)
Instead of conceding two every game we now have kept two clean sheets and he’s going to have to work out the risk of bringing Torres back in.
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The most frustrating thing about today is Everton are still a really poor team and we missed out on three easy points.
Well, two.
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You saw it with Man City after the last title. A team that has been together for ages needs refreshing. We’re stuck playing the same old team as Gerrard.
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We went into today's game with Kamara and Onana missing then lost Youri for the second half which left us Bogarde and SJM. It wasn't great, we didn't score or even look like scoring but we got a point and kept a clean sheet. Sometimes you have to when you're having a bad run.
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We will improve, Everton will be struggling again. Remember the high line days, we were good then, we seem now to be playing not to lose. no adventure no exitement. Rogers is abysmal.
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meh.
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We went into today's game with Kamara and Onana missing then lost Youri for the second half which left us Bogarde and SJM. It wasn't great, we didn't score or even look like scoring but we got a point and kept a clean sheet. Sometimes you have to when you're having a bad run.
With all due respect i think yoir ignoring the issues we are having. The performances jave been really poor. These players missing are defensive players they wouldnt have added much in terms of creativity. Thats the biggest issue.
We have sold all our creative options. As soon as we started selling oue best reatovw outlets like diaby and luiz the problems slowly started. Bailey went to shit, we relied on two loans who helped but now left and we are worse than the start of last season. If we have to rely on sancho for creativity we are masive trouble this year.
Recruitment this summer was a complete shambles and we have seen it now in first five games.
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It's you who's been ignoring the issues we've been having, especially in the transfer window. Let's see how we pan out now we've got new players in shall we?
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It's you who's been ignoring the issues we've been having, especially in the transfer window. Let's see how we pan out now we've got new players in shall we?
What issues are those? yes we have had FFP issues but no goals in 5 games, playing utter turd in all of them. What am i missing? Look at glasmer at Palace lost some key players but doing wrll with what he has
Add the fact we are creating virtually nothing against poor sides isnt that reason to be concerned clampy.?
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It's you who's been ignoring the issues we've been having, especially in the transfer window. Let's see how we pan out now we've got new players in shall we?
What issues are those? yes we have had FFP issues but no goals in 5 games, playing utter turd in all of them. What am i missing? Look at glasmer at Palace lost some key players but doing wrll with what he has
Add the fact we are creating virtually nothing against poor sides isnt that reason to be concerned clampy.?
If you don't know the issues we've been having, then I don't know what to say, except 'cringe'.
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It's you who's been ignoring the issues we've been having, especially in the transfer window. Let's see how we pan out now we've got new players in shall we?
To be fair, although I agree with you in that the transfer window was particularly difficult for us, and I think things like Ramsey's departure - and more importantly, the manner of it - have cast a long shadow, because we look like a bunch of players who don't really want to be here anymore, you also have to say, it's hard to whip up much sympathy for the PSR side of the transfer window, given the immense amount of money we've spunked on not-so-brilliant players who we then don't actually use much anyway. There's a big self-inflicted element in there.
How many of today's starting side were signed by Monchi, for example?
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It's you who's been ignoring the issues we've been having, especially in the transfer window. Let's see how we pan out now we've got new players in shall we?
What issues are those? yes we have had FFP issues but no goals in 5 games, playing utter turd in all of them. What am i missing? Look at glasmer at Palace lost some key players but doing wrll with what he has
Add the fact we are creating virtually nothing against poor sides isnt that reason to be concerned clampy.?
If you don't know the issues we've been having, then I don't know what to say, except 'cringe'.
Back to the cringe stuff again sigh
You can continue to put your head in sand and think everything is ok but its nkt. We have massive problems at the club and are going backwards. Its been a terrible.summer ans the player look still looks shell shocked after the manure bottle job
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I know you love a good row, so I'll leave it there. Cringe.
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I know you love a good row, so I'll leave it there. Cringe.
I dont understand you. Your arguing with yourself i havent said anything argumentative at all just debating you about football and where we are as a ub
🤦♂️
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I don’t think anyone will disagree that it can’t go on like this - it obviously can’t. I guess what it really comes down to is if you think Unai can correct course or not. I’m in the camp where I think he definitely can, but he evidently has to change how he’s doing things right now.
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I don’t think anyone will disagree that it can’t go on like this - it obviously can’t. I guess what it really comes down to is if you think Unai can correct course or not. I’m in the camp where I think he definitely can, but he evidently has to change how he’s doing things right now.
What concerns me is, although players have been away for internationals, he's had two whole weeks to think about what to do, and the outcome was that crap starting XI, and the same old turgid going-nowhere bollocks we've seen for too long now.
He will sort it out. I just hope it is sooner rather than later.
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Clearly something is very wrong at Villa, a more accomplished opposition in front of goal today and we would have got hammered, its difficult to put your finger on the problem, have we got players out there that expected to leave this summer, has Uni lost the dressing room in a none aggressive way, like kids at school that get bored, can't be arsed, ultimately don't listen or is it simply the fact that Uni plays one type of football and just about every other side in the Prem have us banged to rights before we even step onto the pitch.
One things for sure we carry on like this start to the season has been and we will struggle to stay up.
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The most frustrating thing about today is Everton are still a really poor team and we missed out on three easy points.
Before today Everton had only lost three of their last 18 home league games (and one of those defeats was against Villa). And we're the first away team ever to gain a point at their current ground!
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You saw it with Man City after the last title. A team that has been together for ages needs refreshing. We’re stuck playing the same old team as Gerrard.
This is my view too. We needed upgrades and didn’t get them. Consequently we look stale. You can’t stand still in football cos you are actually going backwards
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I don’t think anyone will disagree that it can’t go on like this - it obviously can’t. I guess what it really comes down to is if you think Unai can correct course or not. I’m in the camp where I think he definitely can, but he evidently has to change how he’s doing things right now.
What concerns me is, although players have been away for internationals, he's had two whole weeks to think about what to do, and the outcome was that crap starting XI, and the same old turgid going-nowhere bollocks we've seen for too long now.
He will sort it out. I just hope it is sooner rather than later.
Yep the lack of any progress from the first three games to this one is alarming.
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TURGID. G'night all.
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I know you love a good row, so I'll leave it there. Cringe.
I dont understand you. Your arguing with yourself i havent said anything argumentative at all just debating you about football and where we are as a ub
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Which part of 'it wasn't great, we didn't score or look like scoring' did you ignore off my original post? With all due respect, you're as dim as they come.
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I know you love a good row, so I'll leave it there. Cringe.
I dont understand you. Your arguing with yourself i havent said anything argumentative at all just debating you about football and where we are as a ub
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Which part of 'it wasn't great, we didn't score or look like scoring' did you ignore off my original post? With all due respect, you're as dim as they come.
I thought i was the one who wants to fight? I quoted you debated you with no insults.and you decide to throw a insult calling me "dim"
Your the only one coming across like a fool here 'with respect"
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Hope they put us on motd first tonight. Highlights should last about 30 seconds, then I can have an early night.
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You saw it with Man City after the last title. A team that has been together for ages needs refreshing. We’re stuck playing the same old team as Gerrard.
It all feels like 2007-2010 to me. The climb then the decline but this time it's all the clubs fault for banking on Chumps League money.
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* Second half pressure without precision or threat.
* Buendia comfortably offering the most threat in our attack.
* Guessand with some great tackles! Dealt with Joe really well.
* Thought Konsa (apart from letting Barry through) was very good.
* Rodgers far too sloppy when he the ball in key moments. Can’t be relied upon to consistently use the ball wisely.
* Digne looking very off the pace and quite slow.
* If Beto could finish Everton would have been out of sight early.
* Watkins no service but equally offered nothing off the ball.
* Our set pieces this season have offered zero threat.
* Cash on set pieces and just generally (sigh).
* Better second half (in keeping with our other games) but our attack patterns are very predictable and have been nullified fairly comfortably dealt by average opposition. Get the ball down the left, full back crossing nothing.
* We have no threat down our right side at present.
* Everton deserved to win so a point is decent in the circumstances.
* Worryingly, the performances aren’t getting better.
* Lindelof in central midfield is indicative our recruitment.
* We have no momentum at present.
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Boring.
Emery furious at the end.
it was a waste of a Saturday afternoon.
Well, just maybe if he didn’t send out a team that appears to be shackled, things might improve ?
I said before, the players looked bored.