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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on August 16, 2025, 02:24:47 PM
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At least it will be 12 months unbeaten at home in the league for the first time in my lifetime.
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Bizot did well I suppose.
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fantastic point considering how shite we were going forward and a man down.
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Better start than last year
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A lot to work on, still. Bizot looks a good pair of hands but some individuals had a worrying performance.
We deserved absolutely nothing and got a point, onwards and upwards.
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Better start than last year
We won last year.
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Well done lads. A poor performance but taking a point with 10 men against a good side is impressive. Happy with the point, clean sheet and protects our home record
Biz motm for me
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We're up to second on alphabetical order, I'll take that.
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Awful performance. Awful game. Good point.
The main positive aside from Bizot (how nice to have a competent number 2 again) is we now are unbeaten for over a year in home games in the prem.
Thought Cash stood up well after the red card but we look very stale in forward positions.
Badly need more pace in the team from the start, we have it on the bench and they need to be used more.
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Better start than last year
We beat Spam 2-1.
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In 2023 we started the season with Newcastle, had a goal diff of -4, lost a key defender for the majority of the season and went on to make Champions League. This year, we started at Newcastle, drew with them, lost a key defender for just a game, so we should be on for League Championship. Marked improvement
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Bizot good. The rest pretty dreadful.
At least we dug in after the red card and didn’t lose. But bloody hell we look miles off it. That starting 11 is far too one paced and lacking in invention.
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We were poor throughout. Somehow got away with a point. Need massive improvements.
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Poor first half, much better second until the sending off.
Looked sloppy and disjointed in midfield but worked hard for the point. Bizot MOTM for us.
Absolutely take a point from that.
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In 2023 we started the season with Newcastle, had a goal diff of -4, lost a key defender for the majority of the season and went on to make Champions League. This year, we started at Newcastle, drew with them, lost a key defender for just a game, so we should be on for League Championship. Marked improvement
We were at home mate.
Shite btw.
Watkins was especially shit.
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As poor as we may think we were we'd be livid if we'd done as little as Newcastle did against 10 men.
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
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Blaming Cash for the red card is peak confirmation bias as well. It was a misplaced pass into the box - although why no one was there I’m not sure. There was so much to happen after that and Konsa got it horronly wrong. He let Gordon run off him and then put his hand on his shoulder, it was an inevitable red.
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I think we were poor for the first 20 but then there wasn't much between the teams for the rest of it, even after the red card. No one played particularly well (keeper aside) but the only truly poor performances were McGinn and Rogers, who were both too narrow and struggled to retain possession, which was why we weren't creating anything.
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I said before the game I thought the set up was wrong - setting up to battle Newcastle in midfield is daft. It is really apparent we need a centre-half, a winger, and Asensio in. We were so plodding and lacking in invention.
At least we didn’t lose.
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
I was about to point out that what support did the front line actually have, then realised it was smirker who would be moaning about the chances Watkins missed even if he scored a brace.
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Better in the 2nd half. Konsa was poor for the red. Bizot our best by a country mile. Cash gets a special mention for his 2nd half defending too.
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I hope we have a plan B with our tactics as it all seemed a bit aimless
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Blaming Cash for the red card is peak confirmation bias as well. It was a misplaced pass into the box - although why no one was there I’m not sure. There was so much to happen after that and Konsa got it horronly wrong. He let Gordon run off him and then put his hand on his shoulder, it was an inevitable red.
Especially as it wasn't the only misplaced pass from the team.
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A point more than we deserved, that'll do in the circumstances.
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Blaming Cash for the red card is peak confirmation bias as well. It was a misplaced pass into the box - although why no one was there I’m not sure. There was so much to happen after that and Konsa got it horronly wrong. He let Gordon run off him and then put his hand on his shoulder, it was an inevitable red.
both to blame for me .
did cash actually look up , we was just starting to get on top too I thought.
anyway Bizot MOM and Kamara did ok dropping into the back 4 so he gets a tick too .
But we was really under par and couldnt even pass the ball and roger needs to stop falling over on his runs.
New signings please .
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Cash’s inch perfect ball in for Elanga basically took every Villa player out of the game. The only decent thing Elanga did all game was play the fairly simple ball through for Gordon to run on to.
I like Cash but he dropped us in it there. We got away with it though.
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Are we allowed to criticize Emery here? I'm not sure he got the game plan right here as we struggled to make anything happen. He subbed in an attacker after we went to 10 men, and honestly we looked more threatening than we did the whole game before that. Then he never made another sub in a game where we were trying to kill off time.
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New signings please .
They would be left on the bench like Guessand anyway.
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1st games are often not an indicator for the rest of the season.
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Are we allowed to criticize Emery here? I'm not sure he got the game plan right here as we struggled to make anything happen. He subbed in an attacker after we went to 10 men, and honestly we looked more threatening than we did the whole game before that. Then he never made another sub in a game where we were trying to kill off time.
I think he got it wrong - he tried to set up to battle Newcastle in midfield which is exactly what they wanted.
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Only Mcginn and Bizot come out with much credit. The 1st half was appalling. The second half until the red, a bit better but not by much.
Rogers looks unfit and, sorry to say it, we were crying out for Ramsey’s drive.
Special mention to the referee who was shocking.
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I thought both sides looked toothless. They were better first half, we were better second half but even after that twat Konsa went off, the barcodes still looked toothless. 0-0 was a fair and accurate result. Villa defended ok, sloppy passing let us down. I'm ok with a point.
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Blaming Cash for the red card is peak confirmation bias as well. It was a misplaced pass into the box - although why no one was there I’m not sure. There was so much to happen after that and Konsa got it horronly wrong. He let Gordon run off him and then put his hand on his shoulder, it was an inevitable red.
Agreed, only watching it back there. A poor cross from Cash gets cleared but our two holding midfielders are miles out of position to start with. No pressure on pass as a result but our two centre halves are woeful to leave a gap that size between them to start with. At least force their midfielder to play the ball down the wing. I think Konsa initially thinks he can play offside but realises he's in their half so panics. It's always going to be a red card and an early test of what our depth at RCB is like.
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and Asensio in.
agree , at least he gets us under a bit of control with his experience and quality as he dont lose the ball much and keeps possession , kind of player I thought we needed to today plus he does the odd bit of magic to get you a goal.
I think it will happen.
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I thought both sides looked toothless. They were better first half, we were better second half but even after that twat Konsa went off, the barcodes still looked toothless. 0-0 was a fair and accurate result. Villa defended ok, sloppy passing let us down. I'm ok with a point.
If they had Isak or had actually gotten Sesko though..
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
Other than get caught offside, lose the ball and have one shot straight at the keeper what did he do?
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Are we allowed to criticize Emery here? I'm not sure he got the game plan right here as we struggled to make anything happen. He subbed in an attacker after we went to 10 men, and honestly we looked more threatening than we did the whole game before that. Then he never made another sub in a game where we were trying to kill off time.
The whole decision making was weird. It looked like he thought, lets play the same team as won 4-1 last season. But we didn't have Asensio so he moved Tielemans into that position. The down side is we then had no one who could play the ball through Newcastle from further back.
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A lot to work on, still. Bizot looks a good pair of hands but some individuals had a worrying performance.
We deserved absolutely nothing and got a point, onwards and upwards.
I'd give Bizot a 7/10, took care of pretty much everything without much fuss.
The defence 6/10 plenty of low blocks but lucky Newcastle couldn't finish their chances.
Midfield and attack 2/10 - could rarely string two passes together.
Sub: Malen 7/10. Still makes things happen
Unai: 1/10. Only one team out there looked like they'd been coached and it wasn't us.
After that display I'm delighted with a point. Sad thing is Newcastle are nothing special but at least they can pass a ball.
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I thought both sides looked toothless. They were better first half, we were better second half but even after that twat Konsa went off, the barcodes still looked toothless. 0-0 was a fair and accurate result. Villa defended ok, sloppy passing let us down. I'm ok with a point.
If they had Isak or had actually gotten Sesko though..
If my aunt had.......
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
Other than get caught offside, lose the ball and have one shot straight at the keeper what did he do?
Not a lot. Nor did any of them. He wasn’t “especially shit”.
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But bloody hell we look miles off it. That starting 11 is far too one paced and lacking in invention.
To be expected today when we weren't allowed to use 'Multiiball'.
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Two years running we haven’t lost the opening game of the season. I’ll take that!
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
Other than get caught offside, lose the ball and have one shot straight at the keeper what did he do?
A lot more than Rogers
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Didn't see the game, how did our 50m man get on in midfield? Making only one sub seems odd.
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I thought both sides looked toothless. They were better first half, we were better second half but even after that twat Konsa went off, the barcodes still looked toothless. 0-0 was a fair and accurate result. Villa defended ok, sloppy passing let us down. I'm ok with a point.
If they had Isak or had actually gotten Sesko though..
If my aunt had.......
Well, he’s saying they’re toothless but they don’t have a striker. I get it, you play who’s in front of you, but their situation has to be considered. Getting away with a cleansheet today was a blessing.
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Decent point given the context. Another clean sheet with Mings leading the backline .
Bizot Mings and Cash did well. As did Kamara when he dropped back.
Too many loose balls from the midfielders and Watkins was dire.
We lack pace and goals in that team .
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Didn't see the game, how did our 50m man get on in midfield?
He was brilliant, ran the show.
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Didn't see the game, how did our 50m man get on in midfield? Making only one sub seems odd.
Much like everyone else (other than Bizot) looked entirely off it. I include Unai in that, as I think our game plan was just wrong.
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Watkins wasn’t dire and none of the defence were that great either.
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
Other than get caught offside, lose the ball and have one shot straight at the keeper what did he do?
A lot more than Rogers
Rogers had a few dangerous runs and was fouled.
Rogers was also not far off Ollie's goal return last season btw. Despite not being a striker.
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Watkins wasn’t dire and none of the defence were that great either.
Burn got away with a lot against Ollie today. Ref gave him no protection. The two hand shove to the back while he was in the air toward the end of the second half was a wild no call.
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Another game tyrone mings doesnt lose when he starts 😁
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Pay JJ the extra 40k a week he wants. We look so lumpen.
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We improved a lot in the second half, until the sending off.
We'll be fine, but we need to sign a tricky winger or two.
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Pay JJ the extra 40k a week he wants. We look so lumped.
He has already gone and not sure if he would have made any difference anyway.
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Another game tyrone mings doesnt lose when he starts 😁
Struggle to get the ball out of defence quickly though. Which possibly contributed to our lack of a win.
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At least it looks like we have a very capable backup keeper now.
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We improved a lot in the second half, until the sending off.
We'll be fine, but we need to sign a tricky winger or two.
We had two on the bench, one was given all of 8 mins plus stoppages and did as much in those 8 as the rest did in 90 odd.
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Another game tyrone mings doesnt lose when he starts 😁
Struggle to get the ball out of defence quickly though. Which possibly contributed to our lack of a win.
Maybe it was due to Bizot’s limitations, I don’t know, but we certainly didn’t mess around at the back today.
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Didn't see the game, how did our 50m man get on in midfield? Making only one sub seems odd.
Much like everyone else (other than Bizot) looked entirely off it. I include Unai in that, as I think our game plan was just wrong.
Think YT at 10 is a better option away from home or in a game where we won't have much possession. Don't think Emery rates Malen all that much and no run for Buendia suggests his pre season form doesn't count for much.
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Happy enough with a draw playing with ten men against twelve. A year unbeaten at home in a fantastic achievement. We used to have a civic reception if we made a week.
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Another game tyrone mings doesnt lose when he starts 😁
Struggle to get the ball out of defence quickly though. Which possibly contributed to our lack of a win.
Yup, that played a major part in why we struggled. I don’t think any of the defence were great, just that Newcastle lacked a focus point.
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Struggle to get the ball out of defence quickly though. Which possibly contributed to our lack of a win.
Not stating Torres would have stopped them scoring, OR improved the attack, but he might have at least threaded some balls to the forward four, especially with Tielemans not being back to take the ball off Mings and do that.
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Another game tyrone mings doesnt lose when he starts 😁
Struggle to get the ball out of defence quickly though. Which possibly contributed to our lack of a win.
I do agree with your first point but not your second. We didnt get it forward quick enough but mings was solid. I dont think we would have kept a clean sheet if pau started.
The main reason we didnt win is because our passing was generally poor especially in that 1st half. It did seem we were set up abit negatively. Add that with no pace at all in the team. Malen should have started.
I think we actually missed ramseys energy today
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We’re going to see Mings Torres for at least one game now. Konsa will have earn his place back if we keep it tight at the back.
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Who knows but Newcastle didn’t offer much, certainly not physically up top so not really the type of challenge Pau struggles with.
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We’re going to see Mings Torres for at least one game now. Konsa will have earn his place back if we keep it tight at the back.
I wouldn't be so sure. I can see Emery deciding Kamara or Bogarde could go there.
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Who knows but Newcastle didn’t offer much, certainly not physically up top so not really the type of challenge Pau struggles with.
I suppose their set pieces would have had some physicality in the box with Burn or Schar.
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Defence was ok, distribution going forward possibly not helped by new goalie understandably being less confident with the ball at his feet than Emi.
Poor distribution from attacking midfielders. Rogers had a bit of a stinker. Tielemans didn’t really get into the game going forward.
Better to come hopefully.
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
Other than get caught offside, lose the ball and have one shot straight at the keeper what did he do?
A lot more than Rogers
Rogers had a few dangerous runs and was fouled.
Rogers was also not far off Ollie's goal return last season btw. Despite not being a striker.
and tripped over his own feet and gave away posession on several occassions. to me, he always tries to take on just that one too many before passing
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Hard to drop Bizot after today and hope he gets to continue.
Mings solid as always and interesting that Emery didn’t bring on Torres.
I wouldn’t mind Kamara continuing with Mings if that is what Emery chooses to do.
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Given the circumstances, take that point all day long and move on - work to do.
A year unbeaten at home is quite remarkable.
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Poor first half. The better side in the second half up to the red card. Maybe Konsa saved us a point with that, we'll never know. Newcastle did little after it anyway.
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Given the circumstances, take that point all day long and move on - work to do.
A year unbeaten at home is quite remarkable.
This is the best i think ive seen at as a farm in terms of home record. Excellent work.
Im proud that teams acknowledge villa park isnt a place to come anymore
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Hard to drop Bizot after today and hope he gets to continue.
Very easy to drop him. He was better then Olsen but his saves would have also been expected from Emi. He did anticpate well but distribution-wise, was part of the problem getting forward.
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
Other than get caught offside, lose the ball and have one shot straight at the keeper what did he do?
A lot more than Rogers
Rogers had a few dangerous runs and was fouled.
Rogers was also not far off Ollie's goal return last season btw. Despite not being a striker.
and tripped over his own feet and gave away posession on several occassions. to me, he always tries to take on just that one too many before passing
I agree but he has time to improve in this aspect.
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Yeah i wouldnt drop emi either tbh. But its reassuring we can trust to use him for europa and domestic cups
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I think that snide Gordon waited for contact and flung himself to the ground the fucking cheat.
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I think that snide Gordon waited for contact and flung himself to the ground the fucking cheat.
Of course he did, but Konsa put his arm on his shoulder. It was daft.
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I think that snide Gordon waited for contact and flung himself to the ground the fucking cheat.
He did but Konsa duly obliged
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Yeah, none of ours would ever do that.
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Having bizot will make Emi better in my opinion.
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Pretty much every player will go to ground as soon as they feel the contact.
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Nobody beats the biz.
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Forgot Bunedia was on the bench, thought he might've come on for McGinn just to press a bit more.
Going forward we need to work out some sort of formation that will get Maatsen, Malen AND Guessand out from the start against selected opposition. Do that and we might actually score a goal inside the first 20 minutes which we didn't do much of last season.
What I don't want to see is Asensio coming back and just exiling Rogers out wide while those above remain on the bench.
It was way too pedestrian first half today and not good to watch at all.
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Thought we got psyched out today although it’s a good point in the end.
Unai packed the central midfield which meant we had no balance and no width. We badly missed Bailey so need a replacement if he isn’t going to use Malen and Guessand.
Newcastle pressed us first half and we didn’t seem to know what to do so went long. Second half they seemed to run out of steam and we were getting on top.
Unai doesn’t seem to trust his subs so we didn’t have the usual 60 minute changes before the sending off.
We need to get a couple of players in now.
Thought the ref was awful and Newcastle wearing white shorts didn’t make viewing easy where I was.
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How long is Martinez out for?
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How long is Martinez out for?
He's available for the next game.
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I thought Newcastle had run out of ideas and we were starting to get on top in the second half and then the red card happened and it was damage limitation after that.
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I thought Newcastle had run out of ideas and we were starting to get on top in the second half and then the red card happened and it was damage limitation after that.
Agree. We were starting to dominate but the red card changed the objective completely. It was quite comfortable in the end and we even had a few breaks ourselves.
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Frustrating performance. Feel for Malen not starting as he was our best player preseason.
My biggest concern is the form of Rogers…. Looks to have carried on from where he left off end of last season. Slow to read the ball, knocked off it constantly and managed to tackle himself on a few occasions today. Needs dropping to show he has to earn his spot.
Positives - Bizot and Cash. Thought both were impervious today.
Ref was god awful too!
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We're only 37 wins away from winning the league.
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Needs dropping to show he has to earn his spot.
Controversial, but I think you might be right. Plus Malen/Guessand, even Buendia, need to be given chances to play so they remain fully committed.
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We look a bit stale. Very much same old, same old.
Firstly the ref was a fecking disgrace. I hope there is not some sort of ‘let’s shaft the villa’ as they rally round their colleague who fucked us over at Man U.
What has happened to Rogers ?
He continued today as he finished last season, shocking.
Watkins worked hard but in reality, Burn had him in his pocket.
Cash, Ginny and Mings were very good and we have a very good second goalie.
I’m not sure that Emi is an automatic choice next week.
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Controversial i know, as much as I love SJM he was blowing out of his arse in the second half and offered very threat. I said to my son at half time Malen needs to come on to provide width and some sort of threat going forward.
Thought Biscuit did well nice to have a good back up to Emi
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Livramento motm, ref woeful second half, we didn't have enough forward ambition.Pleased with a point and actually enjoyed the occasion after a season hiatus.
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A typical opener between 2 clubs that will have stronger and fitter squads in a few weeks.
Not the best first half and we took time to bed in defensively. I’m sure we’d have won it with 11 but the way we managed the game after that was fantastic.
McGinn superb as always, leading by example with his commitment and effort.
Another very poor performance by the officials, including the linesman on the Trinity side who I thought was going to wet himself when Burn shouted at him and made him change his mind. I have no confidence in any of these, they are all miles off it.
Emery giving it to the smarmy TalkSPORT top 6 lover Matterface was a joy to listen to.
We will be fine with Emery in charge so all in app not the worst day.
UTV
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Struggle to get the ball out of defence quickly though. Which possibly contributed to our lack of a win.
Not stating Torres would have stopped them scoring, OR improved the attack, but he might have at least threaded some balls to the forward four, especially with Tielemans not being back to take the ball off Mings and do that.
We score more when Torres plays and we concede more.
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The positives:
Clean Sheet
Bizot
Stuck at it when down to 10 men and restricted Newcastle to nothing.
1pt
Unbeaten at Fortress VP for a year.
The negatives:
We looked rusty and there was no flow to our game
Sloppy passing
Rogers and Watkins - dear oh dear
Referee was a clown.
Onwards…..
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Good to hear Emery slap that pompous big six arse licker Sam Matterface back into his box.
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Malen should have been on a half time.
Tielemans struggled to get in the game.
Rogers looks unfit.
Keeper was OK.
Referee was a clown.
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Cagey really from us with the set up. McGinn and Digne instead of Maatsen and Malen left us with no pace and a midfielder too many for me. Really struggled first half to keep hold of it and build anything.
Second half was better and we were on balance the better side until Cash abysmal cross set them loose for Konsa's red card.
After that I was happy with a point, given they were able to make that man advantage count Boxing Day. They didn't create much mind and look pretty toothless without Isak.
Given it went down to goal difference last season, not giving anything away in the six pointers is going to be key. A couple of additions needed.
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Good to hear Emery slap that pompous big six arse licker Sam Matterface back into his box.
Emery admitted Konsa should have got sent off and Matterface then asked if Konsa would have done the same if it was a match later on in the season. FFS - you can ask a thousand more insightful questions than a nonsense what if like that.
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Good to hear Emery slap that pompous big six arse licker Sam Matterface back into his box.
Emery admitted Konsa should have got sent off and Matterface then asked if Konsa would have done the same if it was a match later on in the season. FFS - you can ask a thousand more insightful questions than a nonsense what if like that.
I think what got under his skin the most was him saying they’d had loads of chances to win it. It was downhill from there with Emery asking him if he wanted his assessment of the game or his own. He stuck him straight back into his little hole after that.
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Watkins was especially shit.
Of course he was
as one news outlet said "Ollie Watkins, who had opened the scoring inside 40 seconds when Newcastle were dismissed 4-1 here in April, gave an outstanding display of forward running down the channels but Villa, apart from Morgan Rogers, simply could not get enough men supporting him"
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I said at halftime that Guessand and Malen should have replaced Rogers (clearly not fully fit) and Onana so that we could have offered more on the wings against 2 fullbacks who were there to be bullied. I think we did the opposite of our last home game against the Jawdies: have them too much respect, failed to wrest the initiative and gave over possession easily.
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A really drab game. The bright spots were the performances of Bizot, McGinn and maybe Kamara after he dropped into the back four. Newcastle were poor after we went down to 10 with loads of over-hit crosses.
Also, when were walking back to the car there was a guy with and easel doing a sketch of the (closed) Bartons.
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Have we now had 2 sendings off in consecutive games instigated by sheer crapness from Cash ?
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People are both praising McGinn and slating him.
Also red card apart what did the ref do which was so bad.
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Two sides cancelled each out and a draw was the fair result, they did very little attacking king wise either.
Positives - Bizot performance and we appear to have survived a game against that hopeless tackling thug Joelinton
Anyone else get frustrated with the subs? Not just the face only one made but also 6 of them just stood at the corner flag watching and gossiping…warm up properly or sit down ffs
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People are both praising McGinn and slating him.
Also red card apart what did the ref do which was so bad.
I thought he favoured Newcastle all second half.Rogers especially was fouled with no redress
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We have to add at least two more players to this squad. Certainly cover at right centre back, plus another wide player now Ramsey gone and Bailey likely to go. I'd imagine they'd have to be loan signings due to these ridiculous rules and restrictions.
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What does Emery have against Malen? To my untrained eye he looks more than useful but Emery is clearly not convinced by him.
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I said at halftime that Guessand and Malen should have replaced Rogers (clearly not fully fit) and Onana so that we could have offered more on the wings against 2 fullbacks who were there to be bullied. I think we did the opposite of our last home game against the Jawdies: have them too much respect, failed to wrest the initiative and gave over possession easily.
Forgetting the enforced Emi change, we had Asensio and Maatsen in last seasons game rather then Onana and Digne. Obviously that enforced a position change for Youri as well which I think was the main key issue.
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We have to add at least two more players to this squad. Certainly cover at right centre back, plus anothe wide player now Ramsey gone and Bailey likely to go. I'd imagine they'd have to be loan signings due to these ridiculous rules and restrictions.
I know what you're saying but I'd like to see Malen and Guessand actually given some gametime before bringing others in (other than at RCB, obviously).
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We had little width or true outlet ball to bring the attack to Newcastle. We need variety and adventure added in the next couple of weeks of the window
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Rogers i agree wasnt fit. He had a very bad game. Not sure why unai didnt take him off sooner that was a wierd one
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Yard slower all over the pitch. Bizot sound enough debut for sure. Pope had the quietest first half in his career i should think. Couldnt keep the ball up front. Decent point against a champions league club and a clean sheet with twenty minutes+ with ten men - i'll take it - albeit reluctantly.
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Have we now had 2 sendings off in consecutive games instigated by sheer crapness from Cash ?
Both players who were sent off in those incidents are culpable themselves.
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Rogers was terrible and should have been pulled in the 60th at the latest. He either is up for it or he is not and you can tell after about 15 minutes.
It was a “safe,” defensive lineup from Emery which paid off because we went down a man, but I do wish he would be more courageous and attacking against these types of teams. I would have said that the plan was to soak up pressure in the first half and then to make subs (Malen, Guessand) in the second around 60 minutes, but that did not materialize.
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I do hope the red card refocuses Konsa’s mind a bit. He’s a very good player, but he’s let bad habits slip into his game. Today is a good example, use your brain if you put an arm on the shoulder the player will go down. It’s like his thing of always going down expecting a foul. He needs to sharpen up.
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The timing of the sending off was crucial. Its about that time when Emery usually makes changes which have so often got us a result in a game that was heading for stalemate. The biggest issue for me was our wayward passing in the first half. Time and again our attacks broke down before we even got going. Work to do and some new recruits hopefully coming in will put a different outlook on things. Its certainly not as doom and gloom as some posters are making out. Onwards and upwards.