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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Smirker on November 06, 2024, 10:26:23 PM
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Saturday, 5:30pm kick-off.
We go again.
FTF 8)
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8pm kick off
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8pm kick off
Ah Fuck - I might be able to watch it then :-(
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2-0.
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Fuck…..do we have to play this ?
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Hmmmm. I hope Unai can pull a rabbit out of the hat for this one. We can’t defend, the midfield isn’t right and Watkins, McGinn and Bailey look dreadful. I’d maybe start Kamara and Onana in midfield, with Tielemans supporting Ollie, and Ramsey and Rogers wide left and right.
Need to tighten up massively or this could be even worse than Spurs.
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I hope we play better than tonight.
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8pm kick off
Ah Fuck - I might be able to watch it then :-(
yes and i might be half cut also , take the edge/ edges off
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Can we Park the bus damage limitation
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Urgh this could be brutal.
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5-1 horror show. At least Meatball won't end up in goal like Platty did at Highbury Easter '91.
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Away win. We're due a win and they are overdue a loss.
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This is either going to be Arsenal away or Palace away.
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Hmmmm. I hope Unai can pull a rabbit out of the hat for this one. We can’t defend, the midfield isn’t right and Watkins, McGinn and Bailey look dreadful. I’d maybe start Kamara and Onana in midfield, with Tielemans supporting Ollie, and Ramsey and Rogers wide left and right.
Need to tighten up massively or this could be even worse than Spurs.
I think I’d go with that midfield structure. It at least gives us more strength, and running, in the middle of the park. It also get some of the players most struggling for form out of the side.
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Bloodbath. If they serve as another round of shit like yesterday this is going to be heavy tonking.
Serious changes for this game. Bailey and ollie need to be dropped for duran and philiogene
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Can only see a Liverpool victory - 4-1
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Despite a shit week, we’re still a very good side. We’re having a bad spell, but I think predictions of ‘blood baths’ are premature and confidence should t be that brittle after the last 2 years.
What we HAVE to do though is score the chances we create. That is one of the biggest reasons for this mini run of bad form.
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Despite a shit week, we’re still a very good side. We’re having a bad spell, but I think predictions of ‘blood baths’ are premature and confidence should t be that brittle after the last 2 years.
What we HAVE to do though is score the chances we create. That is one of the biggest reasons for this mini run of bad form.
Maybe premature but the way we are playing it could very easily happen. Liverpool are far better than spurs and brugges. If we play to the level of those games liverpool will totally obliterate us.
We have to dump this rubbish patient slow play. Take the game to them and get the ball forward quicker. This new style of play is not working and its no pedestrian and predicable.
100 side passes straight and back before we go forward then attack breaks down.
Another thing that seems to have got worse is the passing. How many times has there been loose passes already? We rarely saw that leading up to xmas last season
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The odds for 4+ goals is only 5/2
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We have to dump this patient slow play in which we're having a bad run of form within two years of near-miraculous turnaround!
We're dumb as fuck, we are.
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We have to dump this patient slow play in which we're having a bad run of form within two years of near-miraculous turnaround!
We're dumb as fuck, we are.
Yes the style of play isn’t the issue as such, although I think there’s some mixed messages or confusion that’s undermining it. There are various symptoms (glaring defensive errors, diminishing returns in attack) but I think the main issue is a lack of control in midfield. The midfield is simply not dictating or linking play enough - we end up with our defence isolated and our attack unstructured. We’ve got to work out a way of getting the midfield to be much more effective.
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Despite a shit week, we’re still a very good side. We’re having a bad spell, but I think predictions of ‘blood baths’ are premature and confidence should t be that brittle after the last 2 years.
What we HAVE to do though is score the chances we create. That is one of the biggest reasons for this mini run of bad form.
Away win. We're due a win and they are overdue a loss.
I’m hoping for this and for normal service under SUE to be resumed.
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We have to dump this patient slow play in which we're having a bad run of form within two years of near-miraculous turnaround!
We're dumb as fuck, we are.
Yes the style of play isn’t the issue as such, although I think there’s some mixed messages or confusion that’s undermining it. There are various symptoms (glaring defensive errors, diminishing returns in attack) but I think the main issue is a lack of control in midfield. The midfield is simply not dictating or linking play enough - we end up with our defence isolated and our attack unstructured. We’ve got to work out a way of getting the midfield to be much more effective.
I think its a bit of both to be honest mate. Think the style of play and the poor defensive errors are whats costing us. The style of play is so bad compared to last season.
Not sure why we have decided to go this way after all the success we had last year. Its strange
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Avoiding the local pub this Saturday then. Full of plastic scousers even though they're 100+ miles from Liverpool.
They'll win. Great.
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Lets see what character the players have and if they are going to roll their sleeves up and fight or meekly roll over with one eye on a comfy two week international break / holidays . We are out of form yes but just as worrying the spirit , passion and fight has also disappeared , feels like something is off in the background .
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5-1 horror show. At least Meatball won't end up in goal like Platty did at Highbury Easter '91.
We could use Mings instead. He showed yesterday he's good with his hands at least....
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Hard to see a positive result but we said same before going to Arsenal last year. It's been a terrible week but players and management can get the show back on the road. A hard fought 0-0 would be ideal. So many difficult selection decisions but I think we should try Tielemans further forward like he played last season with Kamara and Onana behind. Match their three in midfield. If Cash isn't fit we will have to try Kosta. He's quick anyway. Really want to drop Watkins but not sure Liverpool away is a game Duran should be starting.
Martinez
Cash, Konsa, Mings, Digne
Kamara, Onana
McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey
Watkins
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I just looked at our starting eleven against Brighton about 13 months ago when we were at the height of our powers. We beat them 6-1.
From our starting eleven we have lost Luiz, Diaby and Zanioli. We now have Rogers, Onana, Maatsen as extra players, a fit Mings and Bailey and a much improved Tielemans and Duran who were on the bench.
I believe we now have a stronger squad and am also at a loss as to our current form. I can only put it down to Unai is currently trying to find his strongest starting eleven, experimenting, trial and error, new formations, style of play etc and our players need time to adapt accordingly.
I do believe that come January, Unai will achieve his aims and we will go on a Man City style run (they are normally brilliant from January til May).
In the meantime, we just have to be patient.
Liverpool 3 - Villa 0
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I just looked at our starting eleven against Brighton about 13 months ago when we were at the height of our powers. We beat them 6-1.
From our starting eleven we have lost Luiz, Diaby and Zanioli. We now have Rogers, Onana, Maatsen as extra players, a fit Mings and Bailey and a much improved Tielemans and Duran.
I believe we now have a stronger squad and am also at a loss as to our current form. I can only put it down to Unai is currently trying to find his strongest starting eleven, experimenting, trial and error, new formations, style of play etc and our players need time to adapt accordingly.
I do believe that come January, Unai will achieve his aims and we will go on a Man City style run (they are normally brilliant from January til May).
In the meantime, we just have to be patient.
Liverpool 3 - Villa 0
I just can't see any reason for such a downturn in form. We've got largely the same nucleus of core players, and we spent a fortune in the summer. I can't see that the players are being asked to do anything different than the way we've always played.
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I just looked at our starting eleven against Brighton about 13 months ago when we were at the height of our powers. We beat them 6-1.
From our starting eleven we have lost Luiz, Diaby and Zanioli. We now have Rogers, Onana, Maatsen as extra players, a fit Mings and Bailey and a much improved Tielemans and Duran.
I believe we now have a stronger squad and am also at a loss as to our current form. I can only put it down to Unai is currently trying to find his strongest starting eleven, experimenting, trial and error, new formations, style of play etc and our players need time to adapt accordingly.
I do believe that come January, Unai will achieve his aims and we will go on a Man City style run (they are normally brilliant from January til May).
In the meantime, we just have to be patient.
Liverpool 3 - Villa 0
I just can't see any reason for such a downturn in form. We've got largely the same nucleus of core players, and we spent a fortune in the summer. I can't see that the players are being asked to do anything different than the way we've always played.
It's quite simply the fact I'd just accepted that we are actually really good and we're here to stay at football's top table, so of course such hubris needs to be stamped out by the football gods.
Here, have 3 increasingly dispiriting deafeats inside a week mortal fool.
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I’m out all day Saturday but was planning to get back for the kick-off but not sure I want to watch what I think will be a very painful 90 minutes. Prove me wrong Villa, please.
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Think I'd try:
Martinez
Cash (if fit) Konsa Torres Digne
Rogers Onana Kamara Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Tielemans dropping into a midfield three when we're out of possession, and getting forward to support Watkins when we're attacking.
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Think I'd try:
Martinez
Cash (if fit) Konsa Torres Digne
Rogers Onana Kamara Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Tielemans dropping into a midfield three when we're out of possession, and getting forward to support Watkins when we're attacking.
This for me too.
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Cash out till 23/11 a/c epl injury table
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Think I'd try:
Martinez
Cash (if fit) Konsa Torres Digne
Rogers Onana Kamara Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Tielemans dropping into a midfield three when we're out of possession, and getting forward to support Watkins when we're attacking.
This for me too.
I like it. From the Brighton game referred to above the only changes would be:
Rogers for McGinn
Onana for Luiz
Ramsey for Zanioli
Tielemans for Diaby
With a stronger bench.
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I just looked at our starting eleven against Brighton about 13 months ago when we were at the height of our powers. We beat them 6-1.
From our starting eleven we have lost Luiz, Diaby and Zanioli. We now have Rogers, Onana, Maatsen as extra players, a fit Mings and Bailey and a much improved Tielemans and Duran.
I believe we now have a stronger squad and am also at a loss as to our current form. I can only put it down to Unai is currently trying to find his strongest starting eleven, experimenting, trial and error, new formations, style of play etc and our players need time to adapt accordingly.
I do believe that come January, Unai will achieve his aims and we will go on a Man City style run (they are normally brilliant from January til May).
In the meantime, we just have to be patient.
Liverpool 3 - Villa 0
I just can't see any reason for such a downturn in form. We've got largely the same nucleus of core players, and we spent a fortune in the summer. I can't see that the players are being asked to do anything different than the way we've always played.
It's quite simply the fact I'd just accepted that we are actually really good and we're here to stay at football's top table, so of course such hubris needs to be stamped out by the football gods.
Here, have 3 increasingly dispiriting deafeats inside a week mortal fool.
Well you've fucked us there Lee.
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Am off to Dublin for the weekend so will get to see the game in different surroundings!
Any recommendations as to where to watch it?
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Am off to Dublin for the weekend so will get to see the game in different surroundings!
Any recommendations as to where to watch it?
The Dublin Lions watch the games in a pub called The Wool Shed. I've not been in there. They moved from Buskers on the Ball (a sports bar/pool type place) which you could also try.
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------- Martinez --------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Tielemans --
Ramsey ------------ mcGinn
-- Rogers --- Watkins ----
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Am off to Dublin for the weekend so will get to see the game in different surroundings!
Any recommendations as to where to watch it?
The Dublin Lions watch the games in a pub called The Wool Shed. I've not been in there. They moved from Buskers on the Ball (a sports bar/pool type place) which you could also try.
Great stuff Clampy.
Much appreciated and will report back if we make it to either venue.
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Liverpool were 12/25 to win as the game was ending last night... was tempted to put big money on that as the result seems inevitable to me. I'm still hoping the 'you never know with this team' mindset continues for a while but we're resorting to old, pre-Emery habits recently.....conceding late goals, lapse to collapse, and now failing to respond when going behind.
Maybe Ned can be introduced and be our Andy Comyn, although I have no idea who the Liverpool John Barnes is these days
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4/9 now still pretty decent
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Martinez
Konsa
Torres
Carlos
Digne
Rogers
Kamara
Onana
Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
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Liverpool were 12/25 to win as the game was ending last night... was tempted to put big money on that as the result seems inevitable to me. I'm still hoping the 'you never know with this team' mindset continues for a while but we're resorting to old, pre-Emery habits recently.....conceding late goals, lapse to collapse, and now failing to respond when going behind.
Maybe Ned can be introduced and be our Andy Comyn, although I have no idea who the Liverpool John Barnes is these days
You leave andy alone....played with him at alvechurch . He signed 2 days b4 that liverpool game and i know for a fact he was shitting himself to go from playing in front of 100 to 43, 000 !!
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Think I'd try:
Martinez
Cash (if fit) Konsa Torres Digne
Rogers Onana Kamara Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Tielemans dropping into a midfield three when we're out of possession, and getting forward to support Watkins when we're attacking.
Yep works for me.
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Think I'd try:
Martinez
Cash (if fit) Konsa Torres Digne
Rogers Onana Kamara Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Tielemans dropping into a midfield three when we're out of possession, and getting forward to support Watkins when we're attacking.
Picked similar teams. The midfield is very physical and I'd like us to lean into it more. Double pivot of Onana and Kamara.
Also we concede far fewer goals with Cashy on the park, as rash as he can be on ocassion, so I hope he's fit.
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Think I'd try:
Martinez
Cash (if fit) Konsa Torres Digne
Rogers Onana Kamara Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Tielemans dropping into a midfield three when we're out of possession, and getting forward to support Watkins when we're attacking.
Picked similar teams. The midfield is very physical and I'd like us to lean into it more. Double pivot of Onana and Kamara.
Also we concede far fewer goals with Cashy on the park, as rash as he can be on ocassion, so I hope he's fit.
Percy!
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I can't see Kamara starting after playing 90mins last night - but we need him to.
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I can't summon much enthusiasm for this and can only see a rugby score for liverpool
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7 - 2
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Good news for Guess The Goal 🥅 Round 9 (https://www.heroesandvillains.info/forumv3/index.php?topic=65379.msg4715268#msg4715268), Caribbeanvillan!
Hope it’s the traditional way round, though.
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1 minute, Salah.
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We need to keep the score down here as morale is bad enough as it is. If we can get away with a 2-0 then I'll be surprised.
Somehow, I can't see it.
4-0 to them, leaving us midtable heading into the break.
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For the 7 people that have put us down for a win, you can get very good odds if you fancy a bet. Think I’ll keep mine in my pocket for now.
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3 defeats and we've turned into Walsall "with please keep the score down Liverpool Sir, please".
Weak.
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Hahaha!
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Eat more protein, nerdlingers!
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For the 7 people that have put us down for a win, you can get very good odds if you fancy a bet. Think I’ll keep mine in my pocket for now.
I'm one of them, but I've never been into gambling maybe that's a good thing!). I just feel like we'll get a response on Saturday.
The last few games have been weird. This isn't Emery 'being found out' as I've read on here recently. The dodgy results have actually been down to poor finishing and outrageously weird WTF moments like Mings last night. Put chances away v Bournemouth, Spurs and Brugge and we win or draw those games. I really don't count the shite we served up v Palace in the cup as it was a shadow side.
Liverpool are decent especially at home 'under the Anfield lights' (puke). We will be under pressure in phases of the game of course, but we are a decent side too. Put the chance that we will have away, and we can win the game. I'm surprised so many Villa fans seem to think we will get battered, but I suppose it's because we probably feel that the run under Emery can't last. It fucking well can last. Let's believe in ourselves for once.
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Form says they'll tear us a third dick, 5-1 Liverpool. But this is football so 2-7 Villa.
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For the 7 people that have put us down for a win, you can get very good odds if you fancy a bet. Think I’ll keep mine in my pocket for now.
I'm one of them, but I've never been into gambling maybe that's a good thing!). I just feel like we'll get a response on Saturday.
The last few games have been weird. This isn't Emery 'being found out' as I've read on here recently. The dodgy results have actually been down to poor finishing and outrageously weird WTF moments like Mings last night. Put chances away v Bournemouth, Spurs and Brugge and we win or draw those games. I really don't count the shite we served up v Palace in the cup as it was a shadow side.
Liverpool are decent especially at home 'under the Anfield lights' (puke). We will be under pressure in phases of the game of course, but we are a decent side too. Put the chance that we will have away, and we can win the game. I'm surprised so many Villa fans seem to think we will get battered, but I suppose it's because we probably feel that the run under Emery can't last. It fucking well can last. Let's believe in ourselves for once.
Bournemouth we were a bit unlucky, but we absolutely got what we deserved against Spurs, and that was a good shoeing.
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Martinez
Konsa Carlos Mings Digne
SJM Onana Kamara Rogers
Tielemens
Duran
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Martinez
Konsa Carlos Mings Digne
SJM Onana Kamara Rogers
Tielemens
Duran
Right now my team would be...
Martinez
Konsa Mings Torres Digne
Onana Kamara
Tielemans Ramsey
Rogers
Duran
Pushing the most out of form lot out, ie Bailey, McGinn, Carlos, Watkins. I think if worked on in training Mings and Pau could play aside.
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For the 7 people that have put us down for a win, you can get very good odds if you fancy a bet. Think I’ll keep mine in my pocket for now.
I'm one of them, but I've never been into gambling maybe that's a good thing!). I just feel like we'll get a response on Saturday.
The last few games have been weird. This isn't Emery 'being found out' as I've read on here recently. The dodgy results have actually been down to poor finishing and outrageously weird WTF moments like Mings last night. Put chances away v Bournemouth, Spurs and Brugge and we win or draw those games. I really don't count the shite we served up v Palace in the cup as it was a shadow side.
Liverpool are decent especially at home 'under the Anfield lights' (puke). We will be under pressure in phases of the game of course, but we are a decent side too. Put the chance that we will have away, and we can win the game. I'm surprised so many Villa fans seem to think we will get battered, but I suppose it's because we probably feel that the run under Emery can't last. It fucking well can last. Let's believe in ourselves for once.
Bournemouth we were a bit unlucky, but we absolutely got what we deserved against Spurs, and that was a good shoeing.
In the end we did but until Rogers went off I still thought we were more likely to win, at half time I thought it had been a textbook performance, soak up their early pressure and take over the game like we had in the previous two visits.
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This is the sort of game the low block was invented for
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We had one shot on target last night, I think similar against Spurs. Rigadon, if you expect us to score from every chance, does the same apply to the opposition? If so, we lose either way.
We've created little in these games so that Watkins misses are judged more harshly than they are. I thought his shot which whistled wide last night was a great bit of play, Mignolet was rooted to the spot and not expecting it. He's been a bit unlucky Ollie, and is getting so little service at the moment due to our inability to get into dangerous positions, that when he does receive the ball, he's a bit "cold".
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Eamonn, football cliche alert but goals change games. In the amazing performance vs Man City and Arsenal (twice) last season, we took our chances. Vs Spurs Watkins had a a sitter in the 1st minute and then a 1 v 1 when it was 0-1. They weren’t half chances. Either of those go in and we win that game I’m convinced. Momentum and confidence are so so important in any sport.
We are going to lose or draw games every now and then / it happens. If we turn up at Anfield with any hint of meekness we will get battered. So I’m betting (or not as the case may be!) that we won’t.
An intriguing game that we shouldn’t fear.
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I'd be happy if we just moved out of first gear for this game. Be a very tough game but all teams go through shit and this might just be liverpools off night. Happy with a draw. Definitely play Onana and Kamera....
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David Coote is the referee.
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I just looked at our starting eleven against Brighton about 13 months ago when we were at the height of our powers. We beat them 6-1.
From our starting eleven we have lost Luiz, Diaby and Zanioli. We now have Rogers, Onana, Maatsen as extra players, a fit Mings and Bailey and a much improved Tielemans and Duran.
I believe we now have a stronger squad and am also at a loss as to our current form. I can only put it down to Unai is currently trying to find his strongest starting eleven, experimenting, trial and error, new formations, style of play etc and our players need time to adapt accordingly.
I do believe that come January, Unai will achieve his aims and we will go on a Man City style run (they are normally brilliant from January til May).
In the meantime, we just have to be patient.
Liverpool 3 - Villa 0
I just can't see any reason for such a downturn in form. We've got largely the same nucleus of core players, and we spent a fortune in the summer. I can't see that the players are being asked to do anything different than the way we've always played.
If we held on against Bournemouth, we would have gone second wasn't it? Bar last 10 mins, performance was decent that day. So maybe we are all overreacting a bit, to an admittedly terrible week.
Emery has been good at this before, remember Leicester rinsing us early on in his tenure with counter attacks at Villa Park and he wasn't long addressing it.
Also an important few days and hard conversations required with some senior players. Palace, Spurs, Brugge score against us and we hardly react. That's unlike us. Attitudes and performances from a few of them seem off.
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"Maybe".
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David Coote is the referee.
Oh dear.
Absolutely useless.
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I'm sitting with a mate on the Kop for this. Would be nice to keep the jubilation from the Scandinavians around me down to a minimum.
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3-1 to the Villa
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I’d look at playing Mings in goal next to Emi.
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I'm sitting with a mate on the Kop for this. Would be nice to keep the jubilation from the Scandinavians around me down to a minimum.
I was in The Shed end for the 0-8 . Walked out at 0-7 . Good luck
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I’d look at playing Mings in goal next to Emi.
This made me chuckle it has been a horrible long week
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Sitting in a cafe not so long ago I have my back to a couple of 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' fans in Birmingham. They are brummie by their accents and speaking as if one of them was a coach at the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'. Made my stomach lurch at the sheer twat-ness.
I’m depressed because I thought we’d go for the LC but SUE knows best. Cherries - fine margins we should’ve held on. At spuds and their minds must have been overloaded as the the 2nd half commenced with instructions which went out the window within 4 mins.
Brugge and were ok first half, 1 brain fart and what follows is breathtaking ineptitude which is now ripe for us to play the best team in Europe away to improve their goal difference. Fucking write off this match. 0-0 I’d take that.
Watkins, McGinn, Bailey please bench.
I’d try :
Martinez
Ned Konsa Torres Maatasen
Onana Kamara
Tielmans Rogers Ramsey
Duran
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Think I'd try:
Martinez
Cash (if fit) Konsa Torres Digne
Rogers Onana Kamara Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Tielemans dropping into a midfield three when we're out of possession, and getting forward to support Watkins when we're attacking.
Picked similar teams. The midfield is very physical and I'd like us to lean into it more. Double pivot of Onana and Kamara.
Also we concede far fewer goals with Cashy on the park, as rash as he can be on ocassion, so I hope he's fit.
Not true, but I think it’s a wind up anyway.
Ads imight not be as clever as he thinks he is, but I’m sure he can count.
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We had one shot on target last night, I think similar against Spurs. Rigadon, if you expect us to score from every chance, does the same apply to the opposition? If so, we lose either way.
We've created little in these games so that Watkins misses are judged more harshly than they are. I thought his shot which whistled wide last night was a great bit of play, Mignolet was rooted to the spot and not expecting it. He's been a bit unlucky Ollie, and is getting so little service at the moment due to our inability to get into dangerous positions, that when he does receive the ball, he's a bit "cold".
Yes, very unlucky. It looked to me like it was going in if not for the deflection.
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Hmmmm. I hope Unai can pull a rabbit out of the hat for this one. We can’t defend, the midfield isn’t right and Watkins, McGinn and Bailey look dreadful. I’d maybe start Kamara and Onana in midfield, with Tielemans supporting Ollie, and Ramsey and Rogers wide left and right.
Need to tighten up massively or this could be even worse than Spurs.
I said about the Kamara Onana Tielemans thing in the post spurs thread and I agree McGinn and Bailey need to be on the bench for this one.
Knowing Villa and SUE, if we lose, more likely to be closer than we think. If was furious on Wednesday, so we’ll see if that translates into a change in form on Saturday.
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It'll be pretty shit to throw away 2 winnable games in cups to then get 2 battered in the 2 league games in less than a week and gain 0 points...
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Hmmmm. I hope Unai can pull a rabbit out of the hat for this one. We can’t defend, the midfield isn’t right and Watkins, McGinn and Bailey look dreadful. I’d maybe start Kamara and Onana in midfield, with Tielemans supporting Ollie, and Ramsey and Rogers wide left and right.
Need to tighten up massively or this could be even worse than Spurs.
I said about the Kamara Onana Tielemans thing in the post spurs thread and I agree McGinn and Bailey need to be on the bench for this one.
Knowing Villa and SUE, if we lose, more likely to be closer than we think. If was furious on Wednesday, so we’ll see if that translates into a change in form on Saturday.
I think our best chance is to put in a Bayern type performance. Keep things really tight, and try to hit them on the break. If we go toe-to-toe with them, in our current form we'll get absolutely battered, 4 or 5 nil.
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David Coote is the referee.
Gawd help us! Let's hope there's a decent VAR 'cos Coote doesn't make decisions.
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Right now my team would be...
Martinez
Konsa Carlos Torres Digne
Onana Kamara
Philogene Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
Play as per vs Bayern; save Rogers until a little later in the game; deploy a strong double pivot; look to bring McGinn, Duran and Bailey on later, to being some energy and start to stretch the opposition.
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I dont want to see Bailey, SJM or Watkins in the starting line up , they have ben awful for weeks , you cant keep playing Bailey into form .
Wouldnt be suprised to see Jaden as a wild card but got to start with JJ , and wouldnt mind Kamara and Onana starting this .
Obvioulsy Digne back , no idea about RB , just dont like Konsa there to be honest but probably will be him with carlos ( hopefully one of his great games and not brainfart ones) .
going to be tough but they havent always played well this season.
Hoping for a 1 1 but probably 3 1 .
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I'd stick with Mings instead of Carlos at the back.
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David Coote is the referee.
Gawd help us! Let's hope there's a decent VAR 'cos Coote doesn't make decisions.
Coote is one of those refs that are 'open to suggestion' as far as I can tell. I would get someone on the pitch to stay close to him at all times whispering positive outcomes which he will accept and process without question, like the weak minded guard at Jabbas palace in Return of the Jedi.
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https://www.football365.com/news/liverpool-boss-slot-explains-not-difficult-plan-against-emery-villa
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surely the plan is more than just the formation
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https://www.football365.com/news/liverpool-boss-slot-explains-not-difficult-plan-against-emery-villa
Cocky tw*t; it'd be nice to shove those comments back down his throat ...
... but we probably won't!
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David Coote is the referee.
Gawd help us! Let's hope there's a decent VAR 'cos Coote doesn't make decisions.
Coote is one of those refs that are 'open to suggestion' as far as I can tell. I would get someone on the pitch to stay close to him at all times whispering positive outcomes which he will accept and process without question, like the weak minded guard at Jabbas palace in Return of the Jedi.
The kind of analogy that keeps me visiting this site. That and the misery. But mainly the analogies.
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Tielemans ruled out injured.
Not good news.
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On the one hand we're in for a gubbing, on the other we will come up with something of a surprise result.
Either way drink will be taken before KO, not as much as in Belgium mind.
3-0/0-3
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Tielemans ruled out injured.
Not good news.
Guess that at least means kamara will play or mcginn will play more central
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https://www.football365.com/news/liverpool-boss-slot-explains-not-difficult-plan-against-emery-villa
Cocky tw*t; it'd be nice to shove those comments back down his throat ...
... but we probably won't!
It’s also not true. The approach at Villa has been pretty different to his other jobs. It’s also incredibly patronising and disrespectful to someone who is a much more decorated coach than him.
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-------- Martinez ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
McGinn ---------- Ramsey
-- Watkins ---- Rogers --
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-------- Martinez ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
McGinn ---------- Ramsey
-- Watkins ---- Rogers --
there is no guile in that team, its very workman like.
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-------- Martinez ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
McGinn ---------- Ramsey
-- Watkins ---- Rogers --
there is no guile in that team, its very workman like.
Martinez is in goal.
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-------- Martinez ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
McGinn ---------- Ramsey
-- Watkins ---- Rogers --
there is no guile in that team, its very workman like.
we have very few options
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Tielemans is fit!
He just has a pain in his knee and will miss international matches but he’s available Saturday and given we don’t have another creative midfielder I’m sure he will play.
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Might explain his off form the last couple of games.
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Tielemans is fit!
on that basis
-------- Martinez (c) ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
Tielemans ---------- Ramsey
-- Rogers
---- Watkins --
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-------- Martinez ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
McGinn ---------- Ramsey
-- Watkins ---- Rogers --
there is no guile in that team, its very workman like.
we have very few options
We have more options than at any time in our history!
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-------- Martinez ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
McGinn ---------- Ramsey
-- Watkins ---- Rogers --
there is no guile in that team, its very workman like.
we have very few options
We have more options than at any time in our history!
attacking options currently are Bailey 2.0 , an out of sorts Bidace , Supersub who can't play with Watkins , so i'd say limited
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I suspect we'll see Onana and Tielemans with Kamara coming on as a sub.
Martinez
Konsa Carlos Torres Digne
Onana Tielemans
McGinn Ramsey
Rogers
Watkins
Subs:
Kamara for Onana
Bailey for McGinn
Duran for Watkins
Philogene for Ramsey
Maatsen for Digne
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Why would anyone choose Mings over Pau to go to Anfield?
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Why would anyone choose Mings over Pau to go to Anfield?
If we want to shut up shop, he's a better defender? Plus he's ace at tidying things like stray balls up.
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Pau for me, possession of the ball we do have will be key.
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defending attacks more important so Mings for me
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Them...some goals
Villa...less goals
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Villa win. Make a statement onwards and upwards!
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defending attacks more important so Mings for me
Pau played against Bayern right?
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Pau for me, possession of the ball we do have will be key.
Torres surely played himself out of the team after his display at Spurs. Mings didn't help his cause in Belgium but I think we need his leadership qualities at the moment. Wouldn't be surprised if Emery tried 3 at the back, especially if Cash is out, with Konsa, Mings and Torres and Kosta and Digne further up.
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Tyrone is our new sweeper keeper!!
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Pau for me, possession of the ball we do have will be key.
Torres surely played himself out of the team after his display at Spurs. Mings didn't help his cause in Belgium but I think we need his leadership qualities at the moment. Wouldn't be surprised if Emery tried 3 at the back, especially if Cash is out, with Konsa, Mings and Torres and Kosta and Digne further up.
Nah it was a bad game when there’s a good chance his mind was distracted. He’s one of our best players and he needs to play. Also this narrative that he can’t defend has got a bit out of hand, if he couldn’t we wouldn’t be in the Champions League and he wouldn’t be an international. He have some weaknesses under real physical pressure, but Liverpool won’t bring that and in the round he is one of our best players.
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Pau for me, possession of the ball we do have will be key.
Torres surely played himself out of the team after his display at Spurs. Mings didn't help his cause in Belgium but I think we need his leadership qualities at the moment. Wouldn't be surprised if Emery tried 3 at the back, especially if Cash is out, with Konsa, Mings and Torres and Kosta and Digne further up.
He won’t go 3 at the back.
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We finished 4th last year without Mings.
Pau is a better around player.
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We finished 4th last year without Mings.
Pau is a better around player.
He is - like I say there’s this narrative now that Pau can’t defend. It’s not true, he absolutely needs to improve on some of the physical battles. But his all round positioning, reading of the game, timing of tackles is excellent. Plus he’s exceptional on the ball. Ty is a good player, he’s not as good as Pau overall.
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Tielemans is fit!
on that basis
-------- Martinez (c) ---------
Cash Konsa Mings Digne
--- Onana - Kamara ---
Tielemans ---------- Ramsey
-- Rogers
---- Watkins --
Cash is injured.
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Why would anyone choose Mings over Pau to go to Anfield?
Liverpool 1 Villa 1 22/23
Liverpool 3 Villa 0 23/24
Next.
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We finished 4th last year without Mings.
Pau is a better around player.
We conceded 46 with Mings in the season Gerrard got sacked.
We conceded 61 with Pau in a full Emery season.
Our post-Gerrard form in 22/23 was as good as our form last season wasn’t it?
Edit: my mistake. It was better.
Now what?
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I know what my solution is, but it always results in people telling me that Mings' right leg is a clumsily-attached broom handle with some toes drawn on the bottom in felt-tip.
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We need to get back to basics which starts in defence , tighten it up again like we used to be . I'd be over the moon with a 0-0 tomorrow night. We concede way too many and have done for too long which means when attack doesn't work we are fucked
Would like the Konsa Mings CB pairing back
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Just pick his 1st 11 available, no tinkering and trying stuff. We can match them (not saying we will get a decent result). Digne is he available?
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I know what my solution is, but it always results in people telling me that Mings' right leg is a clumsily-attached broom handle with some toes drawn on the bottom in felt-tip.
And that’s why he had to pick the ball up rather than knocking it back to Emi with his right.
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Just think though, the poor guy will have to live with that etched in to his Psychi for the rest of his life. I will forget about it tomorrow.
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Just think though, the poor guy will have to live with that etched in to his Psychi for the rest of his life. I will forget about it tomorrow.
He averages one mistake every 2340 minutes. He’ll be fine.
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I’m never very confident going to Anfield and today is no different
Whatever happens I hope we can put on a good performance to lift our spirits
I hate to say it but I think Anfield is the best ground in the Premier League now, and I say that as someone who hates them more than any other club
My top 3 would be
Anfield
Villa Park
Goodison
Bottom 3 would be
West Ham
Brighton
Leicester
(Yep I’m a old-fashioned traditionalist)
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Based on recent form I give us pretty much no chance, but hopefully Unai has something up his sleeve.
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Hope it’s better than what he had up his sleeve at Spurs.
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Konsa Mings Torres Digne
If that's still shipping goals at an alarming rate then Cash Konsa Mings Digne, which has proven itself to not concede many goals before. The current iteration hasn't, no matter how silky the passes through the channels are.
I wouldn't hate a back 5, mind. With Torres as an old school libero. Takes Bailey out too.
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Mings
Maatsen
Kamara
Tielemans
Rodgers
Ramsey
Watkins
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Torres will obviously play as he was rested midweek but he clearly weakens us defensively , yes he can pass but he's a a 7 / 10 central defender . Onana will also return and he needs a big game , be good if he can refrain from getting booked early . Tielemans injured ? certainly played like he was Wednesday . Bailey 2.0 or Philogene or neither . Rogers needs to show some other dimensions to his game and if he gets any chances Watkins needs to be more accurate . UTV
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I reckon it will be an improved performance and a tighter game than some are suggesting. I'd definatley be starting Onana and Kamara. The midfield has been nowhere near good enough of late.
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Yep I think we will be much improved.
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I reckon it will be an improved performance and a tighter game than some are suggesting. I'd definatley be starting Onana and Kamara. The midfield has been nowhere near good enough of late.
It hasn’t and an underperforming midfield impacts the whole team, strikers get poorer service and the defence is more exposed. When the balance is right we’re a good team but it can all unravel when it’s not. Experience suggests Unai will figure it out.
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Hope it’s better than what he had up his sleeve at Spurs.
In fairness we were far from perfect in that game but had we taken our chances and not made a couple of inexplicably bad mistakes we probably would have got something.
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the return of Cash and Digne should help with the team structure / balance
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the return of Cash and Digne should help with the team structure / balance
Cash?
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the return of Cash and Digne should help with the team structure / balance
Think cash is out mate
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the return of Cash and Digne should help with the team structure / balance
Think cash is out mate
Oh , that will mean Konsa at RB again then . Carlos/Torres probably over Mings/Torres i would guess Emery would go .
Massive reliance on Onana / Kamara today and the wide midfielders tracking back
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We don't need to dump our slow play entirely, but there needs to be far more fast attacking play, starting with Emi, as brilliant as he is, he very rarely looks for a player, who could start a fast counter attack.
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Talksport have just done a 15 minute chat about our game tonight. The whole time was spent telling us about the Liverpool manager and players 1 by 1. Right at the end we did get a mention when they said and don’t forget tonight’s match is between Liverpool and Aston Villa. That’s how relevant we are to them.
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Talksport have just done a 15 minute chat about our game tonight. The whole time was spent telling us about the Liverpool manager and players 1 by 1. Right at the end we did get a mention when they said and don’t forget tonight’s match is between Liverpool and Aston Villa. That’s how relevant we are to them.
This is not that unusual for a lot of media outlets.
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We don't need to dump our slow play entirely, but there needs to be far more fast attacking play, starting with Emi, as brilliant as he is, he very rarely looks for a player, who could start a fast counter attack.
In Belgium midweek we did miss Torres for his role in starting our attacks. Mings few rushing forward didnt come to anything and it did seem to be that Costa had got the role to start attacks from defence and until we fell apart second half he didnt do too bad IMO but Torres is different class to anyone at this.
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Talksport have just done a 15 minute chat about our game tonight. The whole time was spent telling us about the Liverpool manager and players 1 by 1. Right at the end we did get a mention when they said and don’t forget tonight’s match is between Liverpool and Aston Villa. That’s how relevant we are to them.
It's always been that way and always will be. The "big 6" are all that matters for the media because they are all that matters for the vast majority of modern football "fans".
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Heres hope that we let those miserable showings of late behind and do a comeback to potent form and have a result against the top Europe team since they overtook us this week. As we are away they will be favourites before kick off.
2-2 with Ramsey and Rogers for us. Maatsen to follow Salah very close whole match so he dont even get close to our box. Carlos to body tackle some of their other miserable looking attackers still touching the ball.
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we have very few options
How can that be true with all the players at our disposal?!
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Still think this team looks best for today:
Martinez
Konsa Carlos Torres Digne
Onana Kamara
Philogene Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
A strong double pivot means we an play Torres to provide better forward momentum.
Play as per vs Bayern; save Rogers until a little later in the game; look to bring McGinn, Duran and Bailey on later, to being some energy and start to stretch the opposition.
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Still think this team looks best for today:
Martinez
Konsa Carlos Torres Digne
Onana Kamara
Philogene Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
A strong double pivot means we an play Torres to provide better forward momentum.
Play as per vs Bayern; save Rogers until a little later in the game; look to bring McGinn, Duran and Bailey on later, to being some energy and start to stretch the opposition.
Yep, that's probably what I'd look at going with, but maybe Rogers instead of Ramsey (though I do think Ramsey is better defensively). Interested to see how a Kamara & Onana partnership in central midfield would look.
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I've got a sneaky feeling he'll start Duran.
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I've got a sneaky feeling he'll start Duran.
With Ollie?
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He must see by now that they can't play together. Try it out in pre-season, not at Anfield.
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Still think this team looks best for today:
Martinez
Konsa Carlos Torres Digne
Onana Kamara
Philogene Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
A strong double pivot means we an play Torres to provide better forward momentum.
Play as per vs Bayern; save Rogers until a little later in the game; look to bring McGinn, Duran and Bailey on later, to being some energy and start to stretch the opposition.
Tielmans injured.
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Still think this team looks best for today:
Martinez
Konsa Carlos Torres Digne
Onana Kamara
Philogene Ramsey
Tielemans
Watkins
A strong double pivot means we an play Torres to provide better forward momentum.
Play as per vs Bayern; save Rogers until a little later in the game; look to bring McGinn, Duran and Bailey on later, to being some energy and start to stretch the opposition.
Tielmans injured.
He might play apparently according to Emery.
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Maybe as underdogs we will perform better , rather than looking like they are playing with the weight of the world on their shoulders
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Just think though, the poor guy will have to live with that etched in to his Psychi for the rest of his life. I will forget about it tomorrow.
He didn't seem too arsed the other night. No real reaction, just kept chewing gum.
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No Mings please. Or Kamara.
I’d start Duran and swap for Ollie 60th min.
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Just think though, the poor guy will have to live with that etched in to his Psychi for the rest of his life. I will forget about it tomorrow.
He didn't seem too arsed the other night. No real reaction, just kept chewing gum.
I'm sure he was very arsed. Why wouldn't he be?
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This is either going to be Arsenal away or Palace away.
This for me. I think the latter is far more likely than the former.
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I’m not optimistic. Going to drink some wine and eat some cheese and see what comes first - their 5th goal against us or an episode of gout.
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I want to beat these real bad.
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Maybe one of those where Carlos plays like a worldbeater.
Straws. Clutch
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Duran is nowhere near ready to start, I hope that’s not the plan.
Whether mings is ready to play another game so soon, I’m not sure, but if he’s ready I’d play him.
Likewise Kamara, the one bright spot from the other night.
I really am not confident about this game at all, and fear a bit of a tonking.
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I fear this lot are going to run us ragged tonight.
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Even if we lose which is expected its how we perform and lose. We wont want another poor spurs type loss.
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Come on guys we can beat these if we click.