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Title: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 10:05:02 PM
Fcukin hell vital point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 10:05:47 PM
Phew, could have been a lot worse after that nightmare second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:05:49 PM
Got out of jail there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 10:06:26 PM
7 point gap keeps all pressure on Spurs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 10:06:28 PM
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2024, 10:06:47 PM
Got away with one there.

Can't be having Diego Diego Diego or Olsen anywhere near the squad next season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2024, 10:07:33 PM
Now just need Spurs to fuck up their next three games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: nordenvillain on April 27, 2024, 10:07:41 PM
Luckiest point we'll get this season. We looked yards off the pace throughout the whole game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ger Regan on April 27, 2024, 10:07:44 PM
That was shocking. We didn't really deserve anything from the game. I thought Rogers, barring the goal, was really sloppy. Diego, nightmare cameo.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 27, 2024, 10:08:00 PM
Would have taken a point before the game. What the actual fuck was that second half though?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: itbrvilla on April 27, 2024, 10:08:06 PM
Our worst half this season? We've had a few.l where we didn't turn up at all.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Villan82 on April 27, 2024, 10:08:12 PM
Would have taken a point at 8pm if offered.

Chelsea were well up for that. Have they played that well all season?

Youri going off was a big blow for us and, well, what team wants the world no.1 goalkeeper to get injured.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: nigel on April 27, 2024, 10:08:15 PM
If Arsenal beat Spurs this becomes a massive point
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: eamonn on April 27, 2024, 10:08:27 PM
28% possession at home to a team most on here think are shit. Embarassing. God help us in the Champs League next season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Matt C on April 27, 2024, 10:08:43 PM
Well off it today but we’ll take the point. Hope the two injuries aren’t serious.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 27, 2024, 10:08:49 PM
The babby looked at me like I was mad with the way I was fuming at half-time, with us 2-0 up. It reminded me of England in the Euro final v Italy. An inferior team on the ropes, allowed as much time as they wanted  to play their way into the game and build confidence.

Absolutely shit. Happy with a point the way it finished.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:08:56 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 10:09:02 PM
Doug had a stinker, we lost another 2 players to injury, including the best in the world. It's disappointing but not a disaster and we're still in the driving seat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on April 27, 2024, 10:09:09 PM
Not our very worst performance of the season, but definitely our weirdest.
It didn’t make sense and I don’t understand it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: OzVilla on April 27, 2024, 10:09:15 PM
They murdered us 2-2.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: dicedlam on April 27, 2024, 10:09:22 PM
Diabolical performance. Two up at half time flattered us. Second half was worse. Very, very lucky to come away with a point.

We need to up our game if we are to get anything on Thursday’
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: django on April 27, 2024, 10:09:45 PM
Wow that was shit. Didn’t deserve to be 2-0 at half time but having got into that position we just needed to keep the fucking ball. Instead we just kept inviting pressure. Awful.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 27, 2024, 10:09:53 PM
Worst we've played in a while . Bottled it at 2-0 . Luiz awful , unlucky with Tielemans and Martinez going off and they were a huge loss.
Diego is a liability . Needs moving on .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2024, 10:09:54 PM
Emery must've had a bet at half time for Chelsea to win that.

Every so often he throws in a half of complete chaos to show us he's still mortal.

Team mentality and subs in that second half were shocking, just handed all the initiative to Chelsea completely.

Very disappointing coming so soon after the Brentford game and this is exactly what Ollie was talking about in his recent interview.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: TopDeck113 on April 27, 2024, 10:09:58 PM
Poor. Please let Martinez be fit because despite the second saves our defence looks nervous when Olsen is between the sticks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 10:10:00 PM
Would you have taken seven points after games against Arsenal and Chelsea?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: villadelph on April 27, 2024, 10:10:04 PM
Hard to watch at times. Diaby coming on for Youri hurt us. One goes anonymous and the other is always available in the middle of the park. I thought Cash was probably the best of a bad bunch today. Hopefully we can turn it on for Olympiacos.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: BC Villain on April 27, 2024, 10:10:20 PM
Take the point and move on, but that was a disgraceful performance
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Small Rodent on April 27, 2024, 10:10:21 PM
Points on the board more important than games in hand. Always.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: itbrvilla on April 27, 2024, 10:10:35 PM
28% possession at home to a team most on here think are shit. Embarassing. God help us in the Champs League next season.
I think it was a tactical fuck.up. letting them have athe ball and spending their effort. As soon as they scored we couldn't get any momentum back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2024, 10:10:38 PM
Again we look knackered.
Running out of players.
Not anyones fault but we are really struggling.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:10:51 PM
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough

Yes those three matches we didn't win ........
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Villan82 on April 27, 2024, 10:11:14 PM
7 points clear in fourth after 35 games.

'Embarrassing', 'pathetic', 'diabolical', really?

The bad years are seared into my brain so i will reserve those kind of comments for a time when we genuinely are crap.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Scovilla on April 27, 2024, 10:11:21 PM
Mixed  feelings. Disappointed and ultimately relieved. Yet it still is a point that might have its importance. Ha ev to support Arsenal tomorrow which pains me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PhilVill on April 27, 2024, 10:11:39 PM
Far too many players not on it at all tonight. Watkins, Diaby, McGinn and Luiz were woeful but a vital point and I reckon one win will do it from now. If we do manage 4th then will need a few quality signings  in. Uefa league confirmed (and a I've the Red Mancs) so well done
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:11:42 PM
It was equal to the cup game and Newcastle at home. It’s over now, we’ve gotta move on and pray that Martinez was taken off as a precaution. Not for Thursday obviously but for the next league game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 10:11:42 PM
Utterly terrible second half - and another game if the momentum starts to go against us we just cannot stop it.

Love Doug but he was absolutely diabolical tonight, and contributed to the midfield capitulation. After half time Diaby and Ollie just didn’t do anywhere near enough.

Hope the Emi injury isn’t bad, and I suspect Tielemans is out for the season. Lucky to get a point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 27, 2024, 10:12:20 PM
Thought there was a blatant offside missed in the build up to their corner that they scored their disallowed goal from.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Nelly on April 27, 2024, 10:12:24 PM
That Watkins miss for a potential 3-2, just crushed me. I'm so grateful we managed to get a point out of that somehow. We were tired today and couldn't cope with their pressing or passing. In light of that, it's a brilliant point. But grim performance lol
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: saint13 on April 27, 2024, 10:12:29 PM
Massive point in the circumstances.

2nd best throughout and could easily have lost at the end.

Big save from Olsen.

I thought for alll the world Palmer scores there.

Oh and the ref...how on earth he doesn't see the clear shove in the back on Carlos in real time is representative of how poor the standard of reffing is in the PL.

One more win will do it from here.

Come on you Lions!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Chap on April 27, 2024, 10:12:37 PM
Poor. Please let Martinez be fit because despite the second saves our defence looks nervous when Olsen is between the sticks.
Think the defence looked shaky before half time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2024, 10:12:40 PM
7 points clear in fourth after 35 games.

'Embarrassing', 'pathetic', 'diabolical', really?

The bad years are seared into my brain so i will reserve those kind of comments for a time when we genuinely are crap.
Yes, nothing to criticise.
We are running on empty.
Amazing where we are.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: LukeJames on April 27, 2024, 10:12:59 PM
We officially can't win the League any more.

In all seriousness though that could be a huge point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2024, 10:13:17 PM
Obviously that was a pretty terrible performance, and we've been saved by VAR, but honestly, at this stage of the season, performances matter far less than points on the board, so that could be a vital one - especially given our goal difference advantage over Spurs.

I feel pretty bloody flat given we were 2-0 up, but I keep telling myself that if after Brentford you'd have offered me 7 points clear of Spurs before they played Spurs, I'd have snapped your hand off - hell, I'd probably have taken it off at the shoulder. 

This could prove to be a HUGE point against a team that's only lost once in the last 10 games and is 3rd in the 10 game form table.

I will tell myself in the mirror before bed that it's great to get something when playing terribly against a team in decent form.

Now over to Arsenal to keep their title dreams alive. Please.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2024, 10:13:33 PM
If you can’t win, don’t lose. Piss poor second half but it’s another point. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 10:13:53 PM
11 points from Wolves, Man city, Brentford, Arsenal, Bournemouth and Chelsea is something we'd probably have all taken before the games started, even more so given the players out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Astnor on April 27, 2024, 10:13:58 PM
Very happy with a point not that Chelsea was any good. Without the two injuries I think we had won.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smirker on April 27, 2024, 10:14:23 PM
Douglas Luiz is our best goal scoring midfielder in last 30 years so that's only right to start him.
What I call a must win to go 9 pts clear.
I forecast 4+ goals scored.
Best of luck to us all and going to now focus!
Up the Villa!

Foresight!  8)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Mellin on April 27, 2024, 10:14:37 PM
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough

Literally dropped the least points from winning positions in the league this season (7). It's fine, we're 7 points clear and we're going to qualify for the Champions League.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:15:22 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

Depends on what Spurs do against other teams at the moment. If they beat Arse tomorrow for example. But I also feel we will bounce back against Brighton at the moment as we usually do as they are even more knacked then us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:15:24 PM
We keep the ball terribly in some games. Diary, Luiz and even Bailey had to have two or three touches and still lost the ball. I’d still rather have the points than games in hand. Without Tielemans and Martinez I’d say it’s a good job we have the points because if they’re long term we’re going to have to rely on Spurs being Spursy.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: LukeJames on April 27, 2024, 10:15:27 PM
Also for there 'winner', what the fuck was the ref looking at? He was rite next to it, it could not have been a more obvious foul.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaBoy_23 on April 27, 2024, 10:15:28 PM
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough

Titty baby
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 10:15:29 PM
7 points clear in fourth after 35 games.

'Embarrassing', 'pathetic', 'diabolical', really?

The bad years are seared into my brain so i will reserve those kind of comments for a time when we genuinely are crap.

There’s a difference between assessing one game and the position of the season overall. Put it this way if we’d played like we did in the second half all season we’d be out of Europe and probably just above the drop zone. Fortunately we haven’t, we’ve been really bloody good overall - tonight though we were very lucky to get a point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on April 27, 2024, 10:15:51 PM
7 points clear in fourth after 35 games.

'Embarrassing', 'pathetic', 'diabolical', really?

The bad years are seared into my brain so i will reserve those kind of comments for a time when we genuinely are crap.
Yes, nothing to criticise.
We are running on empty.
Amazing where we are.

Absolutely! Though tonight made little sense.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 27, 2024, 10:16:01 PM
If you can’t win, don’t lose. Piss poor second half but it’s another point. Onwards and upwards.

Correct.

We have DeZerbi crew on the beach and Klopps lot withering on the vine by then

Get 6 more points and that'll be it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 10:16:06 PM
Guaranteed 5th with three games remaining and people are moaning. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 27, 2024, 10:16:42 PM
How desperate was the TNT commentary for that Chelsea comeback ,  phew Lucy thank fuck for that !!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 10:17:27 PM
We're having our best season in decades despite endless injuries, second half was crap but we look like we're running on fumes and still didn't lose and are in the driving seat.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 10:17:42 PM
If you can’t win, don’t lose. Piss poor second half but it’s another point. Onwards and upwards.

Correct.

We have DeZerbi crew on the beach and Klopps lot withering on the vine by then

Get 6 more points and that'll be it.

We’ll need to play a hell of a lot better than that against both sides.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 27, 2024, 10:18:25 PM
I'll take that point.

Up the fucking Villa.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Didier Five on April 27, 2024, 10:18:37 PM
Come the end of the season that point could be massive, not great tonight but seven points ahead now is a big gap. Really poor second half but couldn't understand why the ref didn't see the push.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2024, 10:18:46 PM
Tonight's point guarantees us Euro football next season.  That's about the only positive i can think off.  We looked leggy and off the pace throughout.  A lack of closing down and several players well below par.  We concede too many goals.  I would have taken a point before the game but now it feels like a defeat.  I'm looking forward to the summer and dipping into the market to freshen things up.  I can't think of too many individual performances tonight as man of the match. Chelsea will be a force next season, they are better than their league position suggests.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 27, 2024, 10:19:00 PM
We're having our best season in decades despite endless injuries, second half was crap but we look like we're running on fumes and still didn't lose and are in the driving seat.

We got stronger as the game went on against Bournemouth
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: BC Villain on April 27, 2024, 10:19:00 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:19:24 PM
I was one of those criticising during that second half. Commenting during the game makes people talk shite sometimes. I agree with the post before, having been there for Graham Turner and Billy McNeill there is no comparison. We’ve done amazing, I will stay logged out in future during game time 🙏🏼
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:19:42 PM
Poor. Please let Martinez be fit because despite the second saves our defence looks nervous when Olsen is between the sticks.

The whole team and crowd were nervous tbh. However I think in a game like tonight, the problem they have with Olsen is we lose the extra man at the back to pass around with which we use with Martinez there. And because they were pressing high and in a style that gave us no spaces, we then couldn't get out of our half.

Last time he was subbed at half time, he missed a weeks worth of matches.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:20:19 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now

I think we should let them actually try and earn it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 27, 2024, 10:20:28 PM
Deserved to lose but got a much needed point somehow. I never trust us at 2-0, ever.

We looked tired (as we should be) so tonight's performance level is very understandable.

Extremely soft VAR decision. Big guy like Carlos should be shooing away opposition players of that size with ease instead of getting bullied.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Beard82 on April 27, 2024, 10:20:38 PM
7 points from Arsenal Chelsea and Bournemouth - would have taken that.

Shouldn’t be giving away two goal leads - that’s fucking me off.  But given we lost 2 from injury - don’t think we let in two with Martinez - thought olsens positioning for the first made it too easy - but vital save at the end.  He’s done ok for us this season - but they will always be a drop off considering emi is the best in the world.

I do think we could do with a bit more physicality and more leadership and composer in midfield and think that’s why we have made a habit of letting 2 goals slip.  Luiz was shit and tielemens going off early meant we struggled in midfield.  I think Tim did well - cash in midfield doesn’t work. 

If AC Milan really want Carlos I would bite there arm off - built like a wardrobe and was lucky to get that free kick for there late “goal”.   

Would much rather be in our position than Spurs - and hopefully arsenal do the job tomorrow.  5 points from the remaining 3 should be enough - but would feel better if we only needed 3. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2024, 10:21:27 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now

Nah. There’s a big difference between Olsen and Emi but Spurs are 7 points behind us. We could fail to take another point all season and still finish 4th.

Yeah they’ve got games in hand but we’ve got points.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 27, 2024, 10:21:34 PM
Where did this all go wrong?
The second half was quite awful, passive, and lethargic.
Ginny demonstrated no leadership.
There was a lack of ability to maintain possession
It went from being comfortable to collapsing.
Diaby was shocking. Roger is a promising young player, but he was guilty of giving the ball away too often.
Luiz and Pau, two of our best ball players, became sloppy and lost it with their passing.
I expected more, especially a 2-0 half time lead but we have a 7-point lead and a semi-final to look forward to.

It illustration to me that upgrades to the squad are needed for our next step and more players of champions league level for next season and competing in the squad.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2024, 10:21:42 PM
That was shocking. We didn't really deserve anything from the game. I thought Rogers, barring the goal, was really sloppy. Diego, nightmare cameo.

Agreed it was the cameo from hell from Carlos. It was a foul on him but he should be dealing with it anyway, Palmer should have made him pay minutes before too. Poor tactical switch from Emery to go with 3 x CBs up against one average striker.

Thought we were average/poor in the first half and were completely outplayed in the second. Thought we nosedived after Luiz idiotic yellow card. He was doing fine up to then but that nobbled him and our midfield. Aside from Matty Cash I don't think anyone else played well over the 90.

Martinez 6 (Olsen 6, one point saving save)
Cash 8 - almost caught out with a tight offside but involved in our best play and made the big chance for Watkins
Konsa 6 - decent first half but mixed in second
Torres 6 - very good first half but frankly poor in second
Digne 5 - same above, made first goal but was roasted in second half
Luiz 5 - solid rather than spectacular first half but yellow card finished him, caught for first goal by Gallagher
McGinn 4 - genuinely awful throughout, little or nothing went right
Bailey 6 - on fire first half but obviously struggled second half
Tielemans 6 - early injury (Diaby 4- little impact)
Watkins 5 - not really on it tonight and missed the big chance to win it
Rogers 5 - fine goal but it masked a very average performance, gave Digne no help really second half

Emery 5 - nothing wrong with starting lineup but failed to make change on left side. Move to three centre backs was unnecessary
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 27, 2024, 10:22:47 PM
Guaranteed 5th with three games remaining and people are moaning. 

Nobody's moaning about guaranteed 5th with three games remaining, they're moaning about the individual 90 minute game we've just watched.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2024, 10:22:56 PM
Poor. Please let Martinez be fit because despite the second saves our defence looks nervous when Olsen is between the sticks.

The whole team and crowd were nervous tbh. However I think in a game like tonight, the problem they have with Olsen is we lose the extra man at the back to pass around with which we use with Martinez there. And because they were pressing high and in a style that gave us no spaces, we then couldn't get out of our half.

Last time he was subbed at half time, he missed a weeks worth of matches.

That's absolutely it.  Not that we were great in the first half, but the team seems far more reluctant to recycle the ball between the back three of CB-GK-CB when Olsen is in goal, and that has a knock on effect across the whole team as they (and the oppos) know the first time it comes wide to a defender it's almost certainly coming forward.

I would worry if Emi is going to miss games with whatever injury he has.  Not that Olsen is a bad goalie (his 1v1 save against Palmer shows he's not bad at all!), but he's just not good enough with the ball at his feet for the way we play these days.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2024, 10:23:17 PM
That was Luiz’s worst game since the Gerrard days. Absolute horror show.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 10:24:10 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now

Nope, you're wrong again.

BTW, missed your ramblings on the Bournemouth post-match thread when we won. Strange that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:24:19 PM
Wow that was shit. Didn’t deserve to be 2-0 at half time but having got into that position we just needed to keep the fucking ball. Instead we just kept inviting pressure. Awful.

Totally disagree, first half was controlled by us. Controlled it completely. The changer was losing Martinez and not because of Olsen but the confidence he installs in the team.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 27, 2024, 10:24:36 PM
Guaranteed 5th with three games remaining and people are moaning. 

It's called post match thread not season summary thread.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 27, 2024, 10:24:47 PM
Chelsea have some quality but if you pass and keep the ball better you can certainly get at them ,  which we did when we passed to each other
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:25:00 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now

Nope, you're wrong again.

BTW, missed your ramblings on the Bournemouth post-match thread when we won. Strange that.

Who me?🤔
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 27, 2024, 10:25:22 PM
It went wrong on our left.Digne (and Rogers) couldn't contain Madueke and it lead to them building momentum.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:26:10 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now

Nope, you're wrong again.

BTW, missed your ramblings on the Bournemouth post-match thread when we won. Strange that.

Who me?🤔

BCV
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 27, 2024, 10:26:27 PM
Mcginn and Luiz were our weak link for me.

Carlos a donkey when he came on. Possibly on his way in the summer.

Big performance needed against Olympiakos
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 10:26:34 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now

Nope, you're wrong again.

BTW, missed your ramblings on the Bournemouth post-match thread when we won. Strange that.

Who me?🤔

No, not you Forge. You're sound.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 27, 2024, 10:27:06 PM
Without Emi’s presence we struggle….If that’s long term we’ll struggle for that 4th place.

If he's out for the season then you can give Spurs 4th place now

Nope, you're wrong again.

BTW, missed your ramblings on the Bournemouth post-match thread when we won. Strange that.

Who me?🤔
Who says Martinez the world's number one is our for the season ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:28:13 PM
He is.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2024, 10:28:25 PM
Iroegbunam was poor for the Gallagher goal watching it back, stood still marking nobody instead of pushing out. Luiz obviously at fault for the first but if Madueke misses it's a blatant penalty anyway as McGinn cleaned Gallagher out.

Gallagher is a very good player high up the pitch, forces turnovers and can score.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Rudy65 on April 27, 2024, 10:28:43 PM
Chelsea will beat Spurs
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 27, 2024, 10:28:54 PM
Any news on what the issue with Martinez is? Can't think of anything in the first half
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 10:29:03 PM
Is it confirmed Martinez is out for season?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ez on April 27, 2024, 10:29:20 PM
A poor performance but we didn't lose. Take the point and regroup.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:29:24 PM
Any news on what the issue with Martinez is? Can't think of anything in the first half

Hamstring, I think.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: SaddVillan on April 27, 2024, 10:29:38 PM
This seasons got more ups and downs and twists and turns than The Smiler at Alton Towers.

It ain't over yet.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:29:38 PM
Is it confirmed Martinez is out for season?

No.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Axl Rose on April 27, 2024, 10:29:56 PM
Is it confirmed Martinez is out for season?

Emi is super human

He'll be fine
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: levico on April 27, 2024, 10:30:17 PM
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough

This
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: brontebilly on April 27, 2024, 10:30:26 PM
Any news on what the issue with Martinez is? Can't think of anything in the first half

Quad was getting a rub from physio when Tielemans went off. Thought he was slower off his line than usual for the Jackson goal that was chalked off. Maybe just a dead leg
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Baldy on April 27, 2024, 10:30:39 PM
A point is a point is a point. Even a lucky one!!

Much rather be in our boots than Spurs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:30:48 PM
It went wrong on our left.Digne (and Rogers) couldn't contain Madueke and it lead to them building momentum.

On the sky text, this was posted within a minute of the second half started.

Quote
Aston Villa 2-0 Chelsea
Sky Sports' Joe Shread:

"Chelsea replicating the 3-2-4-1 formation in possession that so many sides try now.

"Cucurella's joining Caicedo in midfield, with Madueke and Mudryk providing the width, and Gallagher and Palmer either side of Jackson.

"Pochettino trying something a little different. May as well - plan A wasn't working."

So the 6 in midfield were over-running ours, especially with the lack of support from the front players. And also closed down the spaces faster for us trying to beat the press. When Arse were doing it, we had the outball of Zani or the passing at the back of Emi to draw them in. We had neither to counteract it, especially as it was not something they normally do.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:31:09 PM
I was going to say, I do talk some shit during the match thread. It was an off night but nobody can argue that this season has been incredible, even more so when you actually remember the injuries and the amount of games we’ve played.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ez on April 27, 2024, 10:31:19 PM
Emery doesn't take risks with Injuries. Took him off as a precaution.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:31:38 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/12606/13124743/aston-villa-2-2-chelsea-premier-league-highlights
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 10:31:40 PM
From the bbc

That draw keeps the door to the top four wide open for Tottenham now.

Spurs are seven points behind fourth-placed Aston Villa with three games in hand.

Wide open oh do fuck off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:31:49 PM
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough

This

So maybe you can tell us about all three games out of 35 it has happened this season where it has cost us?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 10:32:12 PM
A point is a point is a point. Even a lucky one!!

Much rather be in our boots than Spurs.

Good point. ;)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 10:32:29 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2024, 10:32:39 PM
Any news on what the issue with Martinez is? Can't think of anything in the first half

Hamstring, I think.

If it was a hamstring I don't think they would have left him on until halftime.  It looked like the physio was rubbing his quad while Tielemens was being treated, no? And that was on 27 mins, so I'm hoping the half time sub was more to prevent him making a niggle worse, than because he was 100% unable to continue.

Everything crossed, obviously.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:33:10 PM
Last time he was subbed as a precaution, it was one weeks worth of matches he missed. It might be more or less.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2024, 10:33:58 PM
How desperate was the TNT commentary for that Chelsea comeback ,  phew Lucy thank fuck for that !!

Aye. What a fine collection of ringpieces they have working on that channel.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 27, 2024, 10:34:51 PM
We've come a long way to feel very disappointed not to play well and beat Chelsea. Today felt a lot like we were holding a bit back and when you do that in the PL it can kill you. Even at 2-0 it felt very fake. Hopefully players like Emi and Tielemans can get enough treatment and rest to be a part of Thursday (in Youri's case) and for Emi at Brighton.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 27, 2024, 10:34:57 PM
Iroegbunam was poor for the Gallagher goal watching it back, stood still marking nobody instead of pushing out. Luiz obviously at fault for the first but if Madueke misses it's a blatant penalty anyway as McGinn cleaned Gallagher out.

Gallagher is a very good player high up the pitch, forces turnovers and can score.

I don't get the hype. Every time he comes on he just commits fouls. If he got more match minutes he'd be my number one yellow card pick currently it's Rogers.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Villa Lew on April 27, 2024, 10:35:14 PM
Thank you VAR, why the ref didn't see it first time I don't know, despite being totally outplayed by Chelsea in the 2nd half, Ollie should have won it for us, it is probably the sort of chance he misses once in 50 attempts. Hopefully Emi is gonna be fit for Sunday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2024, 10:35:17 PM
There are points in the season when the performance can, to some extent, be considered more important than the result.  This isn't one of them. As much as I hated much of those 90 minutes, I'd take another three games like that if it got us across the line.  No question.

If that performance is in November, I'm MUCH more concerned about what the season ahead will bring.  But we know what this side is about, and today was a very off day. And yet we still got a point against one of the form sides in the league.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2024, 10:35:27 PM
I was going to say, I do talk some shit during the match thread. It was an off night but nobody can argue that this season has been incredible, even more so when you actually remember the injuries and the amount of games we’ve played.

If anyone, before the season started, offered us what we currently have, 4th place, 7 points clear despite having played 3 games more, and a semi final in the Conference, I would have absolutely taken it, without doubt.  It's been a great season, really enjoyable.  The squad is decimated, knackered.  Will be sorted in the summer.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:35:49 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Load of bollocks. Martinez breeds confidence because he’s a top player. How can you expect a guy who hasn’t even reached double figures in his Villa career to be able to do the same? Totally different types of player. Ok he had some howlers beforehand but he’s looked decent enough and actually saved us tonight. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 27, 2024, 10:35:58 PM
Iroegbunam was poor for the Gallagher goal watching it back, stood still marking nobody instead of pushing out. Luiz obviously at fault for the first but if Madueke misses it's a blatant penalty anyway as McGinn cleaned Gallagher out.

Gallagher is a very good player high up the pitch, forces turnovers and can score.

I don't get the hype. Every time he comes on he just commits fouls. If he got more match minutes he'd be my number one yellow card pick currently it's Rogers.
Who? Tim?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Goldie.7 on April 27, 2024, 10:36:48 PM
Iroegbunam was poor for the Gallagher goal watching it back, stood still marking nobody instead of pushing out. Luiz obviously at fault for the first but if Madueke misses it's a blatant penalty anyway as McGinn cleaned Gallagher out.

Gallagher is a very good player high up the pitch, forces turnovers and can score.

I don't get the hype. Every time he comes on he just commits fouls. If he got more match minutes he'd be my number one yellow card pick currently it's Rogers.
Who? Tim?

Correct.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:37:39 PM
Iroegbunam was poor for the Gallagher goal watching it back, stood still marking nobody instead of pushing out. Luiz obviously at fault for the first but if Madueke misses it's a blatant penalty anyway as McGinn cleaned Gallagher out.

Gallagher is a very good player high up the pitch, forces turnovers and can score.

I don't get the hype. Every time he comes on he just commits fouls. If he got more match minutes he'd be my number one yellow card pick currently it's Rogers.

I’m going to go against the grain here, I think Gallagher is decent and was central to this game for Chelsea. He out Mcginned Mcginn tonight….. I’d take him at VP.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 27, 2024, 10:37:48 PM
Think that's a point gained rather than two dropped.  Apart from the opening few minutes of the game, they were the better side and I thought even Rogers' goal was against the run of play really. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Malandro on April 27, 2024, 10:37:59 PM
Excellent point. When you are off your game and face a team like Chelsea, you usually lose.
We all know Chelsea have had a shite year but they still have some more than decent players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:39:15 PM
Oh sorry I thought you meant Gallagher. Yeah Irogbenum isn’t good enough and won’t be for a team who want to be Top 4 consistently. He’ll be moved on without a doubt. He’s playing because there is nobody else.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 10:39:23 PM
They’ve spent a billion pounds have a great manager and were always going to give a reaction after what happened to them on Tuesday night.  Chelsea can do spurs based on this performance and obviously will want to!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Mellin on April 27, 2024, 10:39:30 PM
Yep, let's be fair. Chelsea were excellent tonight and we weren't. Got an important point despite that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Steve67 on April 27, 2024, 10:40:34 PM
Chelsea can still finish in 6th or 7th and won't give up.  They hate Spurs and will want to screw them up. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PhilVill on April 27, 2024, 10:40:37 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Load of bollocks. Martinez breeds confidence because he’s a top player. How can you expect a guy who hasn’t even reached double figures in his Villa career to be able to do the same? Totally different types of player. Ok he had some howlers beforehand but he’s looked decent enough and actually saved us tonight.

He did very well to be honest and that save gave us a point we most certainly didn't deserve. However, that point could give us £40 million more to play with in three weeks.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: aj2k77 on April 27, 2024, 10:40:47 PM
Good point in the scheme of things. It's been a long season, blighted by injuries and we've kept plugging away and it's down to possibly 6 games. 3/4 very good performances and we've done it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Randy Gurner on April 27, 2024, 10:41:03 PM
I thought it was a clear foul and was surprised it even went to VAR. Diego is clearly pushed off the ball and prevented from an easy clearance. Poch can moan all he likes about it ‘ruining the English game’ but that was 100% the correct decision if you’re going by the book.

A great point to salvage from a terrible performance.  We understandably look knackered but feeling positive we can do this! UTV
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:41:07 PM
I honestly believe 100% we controlled that first half. Early goal, sat back and contained comfortably. Then hit on the break, perfect first half plan.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 10:41:47 PM
Excellent point. When you are off your game and face a team like Chelsea, you usually lose.
We all know Chelsea have had a shite year but they still have some more than decent players.


Not sure it can ever be an “excellent” point if you’re 2-0 up at home against a middling side. It was a decent point in the end, but only because we were so wretched in the second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Drummond on April 27, 2024, 10:42:15 PM
As Emery said, 'we are happy, as we have Europa League next season', now we focus on Champions League.'
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2024, 10:43:02 PM
Iroegbunam was poor for the Gallagher goal watching it back, stood still marking nobody instead of pushing out. Luiz obviously at fault for the first but if Madueke misses it's a blatant penalty anyway as McGinn cleaned Gallagher out.

Gallagher is a very good player high up the pitch, forces turnovers and can score.

I don't get the hype. Every time he comes on he just commits fouls. If he got more match minutes he'd be my number one yellow card pick currently it's Rogers.

I’m going to go against the grain here, I think Gallagher is decent and was central to this game for Chelsea. He out Mcginned Mcginn tonight….. I’d take him at VP.
Yes he is a decent player , played out of position for Chelsea.
But our rookie midfielder should have closed him down before he scored.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Astnor on April 27, 2024, 10:44:35 PM
Looked like we had a non-existent attack second half. Diaby didnt participate much - has been out of it for a long time now, strange really cause it look like there some huge potential there. our ssystem seems to be dependent to some extent that all 11 players do their role good enough - if not we seems to fall apart under pressure.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 10:45:03 PM
You’re forgetting one other thing.  Fourth placed Villa were up against 4th placed Chelsea tonight.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 27, 2024, 10:45:04 PM
Guaranteed 5th with three games remaining and people are moaning. 

Nobody's moaning about guaranteed 5th with three games remaining, they're moaning about the individual 90 minute game we've just watched.

Agreed. Daft post.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:45:21 PM
As Emery said, 'we are happy, as we have Europa League next season', now we focus on Champions League.'

We've already won the European Cup, stand a good chance of winning the Conference one so let's go for the Europa next season to complete the set.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on April 27, 2024, 10:46:17 PM
I honestly believe 100% we controlled that first half. Early goal, sat back and contained comfortably. Then hit on the break, perfect first half plan.

Disagree slightly. The warning aigns were definitely there in the 1st half
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ez on April 27, 2024, 10:46:25 PM
Looking at the performance in isolation it was a poor performance.  In the wider context we are playing a lot of games at the moment and still have injuries. We were due a bad game. I'm ok with a point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 27, 2024, 10:46:57 PM
Wow that was shit. Didn’t deserve to be 2-0 at half time but having got into that position we just needed to keep the fucking ball. Instead we just kept inviting pressure. Awful.

Totally disagree, first half was controlled by us. Controlled it completely. The changer was losing Martinez and not because of Olsen but the confidence he installs in the team.

See the first post on the thread. That second half was absolutely coming. I couldn’t believe we started the second half in exactly the same way.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: KevinGage on April 27, 2024, 10:46:59 PM
I was going to say, I do talk some shit during the match thread. It was an off night but nobody can argue that this season has been incredible, even more so when you actually remember the injuries and the amount of games we’ve played.

If anyone, before the season started, offered us what we currently have, 4th place, 7 points clear despite having played 3 games more, and a semi final in the Conference, I would have absolutely taken it, without doubt. 

I'd have offered up my first born son. 

That deal still stands.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 10:47:44 PM
You’re forgetting one other thing.  Fourth placed Villa were up against 4th placed Chelsea tonight.

No wonder it was a draw.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:48:09 PM
I honestly believe 100% we controlled that first half. Early goal, sat back and contained comfortably. Then hit on the break, perfect first half plan.

Disagree slightly. The warning aigns were definitely there in the 1st half

That’s what the forum is for 🙏🏼 I agree they had all the possession but we just soaked it up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: steamer on April 27, 2024, 10:48:47 PM
How do you go from an Arsenal performance to this ?
Not for the first time, sitting 4th in the league and in the semi of a European cup it is hard to be Churlish , but there are some players there who are really not good enough to move on with.
We could not handle their press, totally overran us in midfield. Olsen was not that bad , lets see on Thursday.
As an aside, not sure why Gallagher gets so little credit on here, shoulders above anyone in claret and blue today.
But outside of the top 3 it is the way it is.
I am sure the management know this and have a plan for the close season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Beard82 on April 27, 2024, 10:49:15 PM
I honestly believe 100% we controlled that first half. Early goal, sat back and contained comfortably. Then hit on the break, perfect first half plan.

Disagree slightly. The warning aigns were definitely there in the 1st half
The warning signs were there - but I don't thnk scoreline flattered us - we took are chances and managed to control it without the ball
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:50:19 PM
As Emery said, 'we are happy, as we have Europa League next season', now we focus on Champions League.'

We've already won the European Cup, stand a good chance of winning the Conference one so let's go for the Europa next season to complete the set.

He has so many Europa Leagues he wants something different. Plus the cup we won in 81 was given to Milan in 94 lets touch the new one.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Astnor on April 27, 2024, 10:50:43 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.
This sums it up for me with the add on that Diaby must find himself again. Pluss that we cant have that much injuries to our best 11.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Small Rodent on April 27, 2024, 10:51:18 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Bloody hell! I bet you even moaned that it took a fake horse to defeat Troy!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:52:13 PM
As Emery said, 'we are happy, as we have Europa League next season', now we focus on Champions League.'

We've already won the European Cup, stand a good chance of winning the Conference one so let's go for the Europa next season to complete the set.

He has so many Europa Leagues he wants something different. Plus the cup we won in 81 was given to Milan in 94 lets touch the new one.

82.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:52:57 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Bloody hell! I bet you even moaned that it took a fake horse to defeat Troy!

I wish I could come up with lines like this🙌🏼
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 10:53:22 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Load of bollocks. Martinez breeds confidence because he’s a top player. How can you expect a guy who hasn’t even reached double figures in his Villa career to be able to do the same? Totally different types of player. Ok he had some howlers beforehand but he’s looked decent enough and actually saved us tonight.

So how can it be bollocks if martinez is a top player 😂😂 you are implying olsen isnt then.

He was sorely responsible for the defeat but every time he plays we leak goals most games.look it up if you thinks bollocks
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 10:53:30 PM
As Emery said, 'we are happy, as we have Europa League next season', now we focus on Champions League.'

We've already won the European Cup, stand a good chance of winning the Conference one so let's go for the Europa next season to complete the set.

He has so many Europa Leagues he wants something different. Plus the cup we won in 81 was given to Milan in 94 lets touch the new one.

82.

We won it as soon as we qualified for it......
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 27, 2024, 10:53:59 PM
How shocking was Luiz . And Diaby . Horrible performances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 10:54:21 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Bloody hell! I bet you even moaned that it took a fake horse to defeat Troy!

What on earth are you on about ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 10:55:13 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Load of bollocks. Martinez breeds confidence because he’s a top player. How can you expect a guy who hasn’t even reached double figures in his Villa career to be able to do the same? Totally different types of player. Ok he had some howlers beforehand but he’s looked decent enough and actually saved us tonight.

So how can it be bollocks if martinez is a top player 😂😂 you are implying olsen isnt then.

He was sorely responsible for the defeat but every time he plays we leak goals most games.look it up if you thinks bollocks

Martinez is the best GK in the world. Olsen is in second place.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 27, 2024, 10:55:31 PM
Think that's a point gained rather than two dropped.  Apart from the opening few minutes of the game, they were the better side and I thought even Rogers' goal was against the run of play really.

It definitely was.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:55:52 PM
I think you probably meant solely responsible, either way you’re wrong.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Malandro on April 27, 2024, 10:57:01 PM
As Emery said, 'we are happy, as we have Europa League next season', now we focus on Champions League.'

We've already won the European Cup, stand a good chance of winning the Conference one so let's go for the Europa next season to complete the set.

He has so many Europa Leagues he wants something different. Plus the cup we won in 81 was given to Milan in 94 lets touch the new one.

82.

Someone should make a song about it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 27, 2024, 10:57:32 PM
Don't understand the Chelsea moans about the goal, and Poch saying it's unbelievable and ridiculous. Sky saying it was controversial.

It's a clear foul, absolutely blatant.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 10:58:30 PM
Olsen is a backup goalkeeper. He does his job when called upon. Martinez is one of if not the best in the world.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 10:58:38 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Load of bollocks. Martinez breeds confidence because he’s a top player. How can you expect a guy who hasn’t even reached double figures in his Villa career to be able to do the same? Totally different types of player. Ok he had some howlers beforehand but he’s looked decent enough and actually saved us tonight.

So how can it be bollocks if martinez is a top player 😂😂 you are implying olsen isnt then.

He was sorely responsible for the defeat but every time he plays we leak goals most games.look it up if you thinks bollocks

Martinez is the best GK in the world. Olsen is in second place.

I dont think olsen isnt even as good as steer to be honest. I simply dont rate him

I am probably being a tad harsh as the whole side was veey shit tonight but that doesnt excuse that i think olsen isnt good enough for us. Im hoping gauci will be better no 2 next year.

Gotta say in 4 games against Chelsea this year they been bettee side in 3 of three. Just amazes me how we have nkt played anywhere near our levels against them. Today they had i think 10 players out yet we still struggled

Really poor stuff
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: andyh on April 27, 2024, 10:59:10 PM
Absolute carbon copy of the FA cup game in terms of them being bigger, stronger, faster all over the pitch.
They certainly seemed way more up for it than us.

No Villa performance more than 5 out of 10, and that being generous.
2 players to pick out. Diaby was absolute wank tonight. Not even that good.

And Dougie is fast becoming a liability. In terms of his discipline and general fucking about.

Still 7 points clear. C’mon the Arse !!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: LeonW on April 27, 2024, 10:59:12 PM
Taking Bailey off seemed a strange one. Diaby and Luiz were poor today. Carlos put us into trouble needlessly with…whatever that was under no pressure. Poor miss from Ollie but he’s been brilliant this season can’t complain too much. Great strike from Rodgers. What a signing he’s looking to be.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: villa for life on April 27, 2024, 10:59:23 PM
A really valuable point gained. We dominated for the first 5 mins. They dominated for the remaining 90.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Paul.S on April 27, 2024, 11:00:01 PM
That was definitely a point gained. Awful performance for most of the game.
Dougie’s worst performance for a long while but you could say that for a lot today.
The referee didn’t disappoint, I thought we had some of the worst in Europe and he just confirmed it.
Hopefully there were just a few with Thursday on their minds but we are 7 clear and I’d rather be in our position.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2024, 11:00:51 PM
That was Luiz’s worst game since the Gerrard days. Absolute horror show.

He wasn't alone. There was more than a few today who couldn't control a simple ball. I'll file it as tiredness and playing against technically superior players.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Beard82 on April 27, 2024, 11:01:36 PM
Emi 1
Emi 2
Ramsey
Mings
Mareno
Tielemans
Kamara
Zanilio

Thats 8 key players we were missing second half - we don't have the depth of many of the clubs we are competing against currently - mainly cos they have made sure we cant.

If all the other teams - many of whom have billion pound squads, hadn't all shat the bed in Europe - today we would have guaranteed Champions League football

We struggled in midfield I think, also without Emi in goal second half we struggle to build from the back the confidence is there.  I think thats key when we are trying to beat a high press - as we can trigger it and then break through it.

Feels like 2 points dropped - but I think thats mostly because I had in my head if we could get it to a nine point lead I would have been uncatchable.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 11:02:00 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Load of bollocks. Martinez breeds confidence because he’s a top player. How can you expect a guy who hasn’t even reached double figures in his Villa career to be able to do the same? Totally different types of player. Ok he had some howlers beforehand but he’s looked decent enough and actually saved us tonight.

So how can it be bollocks if martinez is a top player 😂😂 you are implying olsen isnt then.

He was sorely responsible for the defeat but every time he plays we leak goals most games.look it up if you thinks bollocks

Martinez is the best GK in the world. Olsen is in second place.

I dont think olsen isnt even as good as steer to be honest. I simply dont rate him

I am probably being a tad harsh as the whole side was veey shit tonight but that doesnt excuse that i think olsen isnt good enough for us. Im hoping gauci will be better no 2 next year.

Gotta say in 4 games against Chelsea this year they been bettee side in 3 of three. Just amazes me how we have nkt played anywhere near our levels against them. Today they had i think 10 players out yet we still struggled

Really poor stuff

I don’t know how to even reply to this as I don’t understand it? Ok, tell me what Olsen did wrong tonight for starters….
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 11:02:24 PM
Don't understand the Chelsea moans about the goal, and Poch saying it's unbelievable and ridiculous. Sky saying it was controversial.

It's a clear foul, absolutely blatant.

Im sorry but it looked really soft and wek from carlos for me. Id be furious if that was given against us tbh
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 11:02:57 PM
Obviously it would be nice if we win and Arsenal beat Sours, and we stroll towards clinching 4th. However it's Villa, so I expect a bump in the road at some stage, and this might be it. I'll go for a 2-2 draw

#Insight 8)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 11:04:01 PM
Don't understand the Chelsea moans about the goal, and Poch saying it's unbelievable and ridiculous. Sky saying it was controversial.

It's a clear foul, absolutely blatant.

Im sorry but it looked really soft and wek from carlos for me. Id be furious if that was given against us tbh

Right that statement is enough for me, I can’t take anything you say seriously. You clearly watched a different game. Night folks 🙏🏼
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Baldy on April 27, 2024, 11:04:09 PM
Commentator gave a stat during first half that shocked me:

There are only 3 teams in the league who on average 'have covered less ground' per match than Aston Villa.

Unai clearly wants the ball to do the work and it is his way of conserving energy in a busy schedule.

Didn't work tonight. Losing Emi and Youri didn't help. Chelsea clearly got a bollocking after the Arsenal debacle, closed us down fast and won most challenges.

Tonight was a point gained and if Spuds lose to Arses, Man City*, Liverpool and Chelsea (quite possible) tonight's point got us into the Champions League.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 27, 2024, 11:05:44 PM
Spurs last 2 games are 6 points (Burnley / Sheffield U) . Tonight is a costly costly 2 points gone .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 11:05:45 PM
Absolute carbon copy of the FA cup game in terms of them being bigger, stronger, faster all over the pitch.
They certainly seemed way more up for it than us.

No Villa performance more than 5 out of 10, and that being generous.
2 players to pick out. Diaby was absolute wank tonight. Not even that good.

And Dougie is fast becoming a liability. In terms of his discipline and general fucking about.

Still 7 points clear. C’mon the Arse !!

“Fast becoming a liability” is an overreaction in terms of Doug in my opinion. He’s playing poorly, especially tonight, but it’s clearly a run of form. He’s a major reason we are where we are and we shouldn’t forget that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Clampy on April 27, 2024, 11:06:00 PM
That was definatley one of those games that you're glad we got something out of. Losing Tielemans didn't help and losing Martinez defitnely didn't help. Not too sure about 'disgraceful' though. Some fans need to get a grip.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Legion on April 27, 2024, 11:06:18 PM
Don't understand the Chelsea moans about the goal, and Poch saying it's unbelievable and ridiculous. Sky saying it was controversial.

It's a clear foul, absolutely blatant.

Im sorry but it looked really soft and wek from carlos for me. Id be furious if that was given against us tbh

Right that statement is enough for me, I can’t take anything you say seriously. You clearly watched a different game. Night folks 🙏🏼

It was an obvious foul.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 11:07:36 PM
Olsen needs to be moved on. Seriously he breeds absolutely zero confidence in in the back four when he plays.

Carlos another that needs to go and cash

We got lucky today deserved nothing.

Load of bollocks. Martinez breeds confidence because he’s a top player. How can you expect a guy who hasn’t even reached double figures in his Villa career to be able to do the same? Totally different types of player. Ok he had some howlers beforehand but he’s looked decent enough and actually saved us tonight.

So how can it be bollocks if martinez is a top player 😂😂 you are implying olsen isnt then.

He was sorely responsible for the defeat but every time he plays we leak goals most games.look it up if you thinks bollocks

Martinez is the best GK in the world. Olsen is in second place.

I dont think olsen isnt even as good as steer to be honest. I simply dont rate him

I am probably being a tad harsh as the whole side was veey shit tonight but that doesnt excuse that i think olsen isnt good enough for us. Im hoping gauci will be better no 2 next year.

Gotta say in 4 games against Chelsea this year they been bettee side in 3 of three. Just amazes me how we have nkt played anywhere near our levels against them. Today they had i think 10 players out yet we still struggled

Really poor stuff

I don’t know how to even reply to this as I don’t understand it? Ok, tell me what Olsen did wrong tonight for starters….

Well one thing he doesnt slow play down as well as emi does and there wasa few ibstances he didnt come out like emi would.

Also hw doesnt seem very vocal like emi is. You see emi organising and telling players. See none of tgis with olsen.

As i said he isnt sorely to blame as everyone was pretty crap but we leak more goals than we dobt when he is in goal
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Randy Gurner on April 27, 2024, 11:09:46 PM
Don't understand the Chelsea moans about the goal, and Poch saying it's unbelievable and ridiculous. Sky saying it was controversial.

It's a clear foul, absolutely blatant.

Im sorry but it looked really soft and wek from carlos for me. Id be furious if that was given against us tbh

It was a clear foul. Surprised it even went to VAR
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: LeonW on April 27, 2024, 11:10:16 PM
Commentator gave a stat during first half that shocked me:

There are only 3 teams in the league who on average 'have covered less ground' per match than Aston Villa.

Unai clearly wants the ball to do the work and it is his way of conserving energy in a busy schedule.

Didn't work tonight. Losing Emi and Youri didn't help. Chelsea clearly got a bollocking after the Arsenal debacle, closed us down fast and won most challenges.

Tonight was a point gained and if Spuds lose to Arses, Man City*, Liverpool and Chelsea (quite possible) tonight's point got us into the Champions League.

A lot of our players are positional players, particularly in midfield. We need a lot more physicality in the side. I think Rodgers is a signing with a view to increasing that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 27, 2024, 11:10:25 PM
Rogers touch was atrocious as well today.

Edit: I know someone is going to say "was alright for the goal though, ay?". It was! But he was really sloppy in general. I know, most of them were.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 11:10:27 PM

Gotta say in 4 games against Chelsea this year they been bettee side in 3 of three. Just amazes me how we have nkt played anywhere near our levels against them. Today they had i think 10 players out yet we still struggled

Really poor stuff

And we had 6 out at the start of the match and lost two others during it. Their starting players on the pitch cost them 300mil. Ours that started cost about half that. And we have played alot more matches then them even with their cup runs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Malandro on April 27, 2024, 11:10:35 PM
Spurs last 2 games are 6 points (Burnley / Sheffield U) . Tonight is a costly costly 2 points gone .

It’s a valuable point.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 27, 2024, 11:10:41 PM
28% possession at home to a team most on here think are shit. Embarassing. God help us in the Champs League next season.
They are shit considering how much they spent
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2024, 11:10:43 PM
Spurs last 2 games are 6 points (Burnley / Sheffield U) . Tonight is a costly costly 2 points gone .

They play Man City in between those two, plus their other games are Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool.

Even if you give them sheff utd and Burnley as wins, they’ve still got to beat one of those four, or draw with at least two of them, just to go ahead of the points total we have already.

That’s without us getting another point all season.

Tonight was kick in the gut having been 2-0 up, but we’re still in a very good position for 4th. I certainly would t swap with Spurs!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 11:11:46 PM
Spurs last 2 games are 6 points (Burnley / Sheffield U) . Tonight is a costly costly 2 points gone .

They play Man City between those 2. And no game is a guaranteed win, Sheff Utd drew 2-2 with Chelsea a few weeks ago for example.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 11:12:03 PM
Don't understand the Chelsea moans about the goal, and Poch saying it's unbelievable and ridiculous. Sky saying it was controversial.

It's a clear foul, absolutely blatant.

Im sorry but it looked really soft and wek from carlos for me. Id be furious if that was given against us tbh

Right that statement is enough for me, I can’t take anything you say seriously. You clearly watched a different game. Night folks 🙏🏼

Right....

Because someone doesnt agree you you can't take their opinion seriously.

Alot of neutrals are all saying it was soft too. I dont want to say it but it was soft in my opinion. A soft nudge. Carlos was so weak and shit for that. We got a tad bit lucky there
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 27, 2024, 11:12:11 PM
Olsen is a backup goalkeeper. He does his job when called upon. Martinez is one of if not the best in the world.

I know it's a bit of a conspiracy theory, but I wonder if Olsen was brought on to give him some game time before the semi-final on Thursday?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 11:12:57 PM
Spurs would give their left nut to swap positions with us.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: rougegorge on April 27, 2024, 11:13:12 PM
We weren't especially great in the first half, but there was method and intent and we looked a threat.

In the second half, we sat back and our midfield got overpowered. Luiz has been great this season but was either absent or a liability tonight. Diaby also offered little and Carlos came up with an awful cameo. Also, we didn't keep Madueke in check and gave him too much space and we should have learnt from the cup game.

I understand that there will be less solidity when Olsen plays, but he wasn't to blame for their goals and obviously he hasn't played that much. Also,  he made a very good save to keep us in it.







Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 11:13:57 PM
Spurs would give their left nut to swap positions with us.

Yes i think you are right. That point could be fucking massive by end of season
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on April 27, 2024, 11:14:19 PM
Not sure what it is with us and 2 goal leads. The crowd can sense the warning signs, the players seemingly not.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 11:14:28 PM
Olsen is a backup goalkeeper. He does his job when called upon. Martinez is one of if not the best in the world.

I know it's a bit of a conspiracy theory, but I wonder if Olsen was brought on to give him some game time before the semi-final on Thursday?

I hope that’s true, from an injury standpoint, but I doubt it is and if it is it’s a dreadful decision. Like I say though, I really doubt that’s the case.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 27, 2024, 11:15:08 PM
It was a foul on Carlos,ifyoudo that in the build up to a goal, it is going’s to get reviewed.

Chelsea the better team, that should have won,they didn’t.

We are tired, its obvious.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Paul.S on April 27, 2024, 11:16:49 PM
Olsen is a backup goalkeeper. He does his job when called upon. Martinez is one of if not the best in the world.

I know it's a bit of a conspiracy theory, but I wonder if Olsen was brought on to give him some game time before the semi-final on Thursday?
When Tielemans was down injured Martinez was getting some treatment with what looked like his calf. It don’t look too bad but I reckon that’s why he didn’t come back out for the second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 11:17:56 PM
It was a foul on Carlos,ifyoudo that in the build up to a goal, it is going’s to get reviewed.

Chelsea the better team, that should have won,they didn’t.

We are tired, its obvious.

Im not sure CV if i can agree on this tired talk. We had a full week chelsea had a tough game midweek. It was just a very awful day at the office and as soon as the first goal went in anxiety hit the crowd and the players just collapsed further.

Its a trend we have seen too often this year. Today, manure, brentford to name a few. Think some of it is a mentality thing
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 11:18:04 PM
And it can be mental tiredness as much as physical. At this level half a second loss with either can be massive. We're past the 50 game mark, it's going to happen at times.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 11:18:23 PM

Alot of neutrals are all saying it was soft too. I dont want to say it but it was soft in my opinion. A soft nudge. Carlos was so weak and shit for that. We got a tad bit lucky there

What? All the ones in the press who support the "big" six. We had a soft VAR against us against Sheffield. So why not accept it happens to all teams rather then you stating we should offer Chelsea the three points because it was a supposed soft decision. For it being soft, the Sky commentator called it a foul in real time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 27, 2024, 11:18:28 PM
It was a foul on Carlos,ifyoudo that in the build up to a goal, it is going’s to get reviewed.

Chelsea the better team, that should have won,they didn’t.

We are tired, its obvious.
Not buying the tired excuse . They just had a week off .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 11:18:54 PM
One thing I will say, Pochettino and Chelsea contingent all coming out saying their third was a goal, it was definitely a foul.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Des Little on April 27, 2024, 11:19:07 PM
Despite going two up, I’ve come away tonight thinking that we got away with it, and it’s actually a good point. The way we invited them onto us wasn’t an easy watch, made worse by the fact that we weren’t able to spring them. Too many players were off it tonight and with the enforced changes, we were a shadow of our recent self.  A bad day at the office, but we’re a point better off so I’ll take it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 11:19:52 PM
A week off doesn't just wipe out all fatigue from 50 previous games and have everyone fit as a fiddle like it's first week of the season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 27, 2024, 11:22:20 PM
Absolute carbon copy of the FA cup game in terms of them being bigger, stronger, faster all over the pitch.
They certainly seemed way more up for it than us.

No Villa performance more than 5 out of 10, and that being generous.
2 players to pick out. Diaby was absolute wank tonight. Not even that good.

And Dougie is fast becoming a liability. In terms of his discipline and general fucking about.

Still 7 points clear. C’mon the Arse !!

Think they worked us out tactically to be honest.  In both games at Villa Park, they pushed their wing-backs right up, which meant our full-backs had to go wide to mark them.  That left pockets of space inside which they always seemed to have someone in. 

Worked especially well down our left in both games and they got in behind us a lot on that side tonight.  I agree they looked a lot more athletic and stronger than is in both games as well.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: baddowvillans on April 27, 2024, 11:26:14 PM
Got away with one there.

Can't be having Diego Diego Diego or Olsen anywhere near the squad next se
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough
ason.

You need to calm down mate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2024, 11:26:24 PM
It was a foul on Carlos,ifyoudo that in the build up to a goal, it is going’s to get reviewed.

Chelsea the better team, that should have won,they didn’t.

We are tired, its obvious.
Not buying the tired excuse . They just had a week off .

It's not about 'have a few days off, then play' when you talk about tiredness.

It's a long season, we're not used to playing 50+ games, fatigue grows over the longer term not just from day to day.

Playing this many games, with this much pressure must also be mentally draining. It all adds up.

It's not as simple as "well. they've had a couple of days to mook about at the Belfry, what's wrong with them?" 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 27, 2024, 11:27:22 PM
Overall across the season Chelsea are one of the teams to have our number, in terms of performance. They outplayed us tonight, they were much the better side before the red card at Stamford Bridge, and they ran over us in the FA Cup. The return of 4 points against them in the league is pretty bloody good. Unai will have to work out how to play against them next season, but hopefully they really turn up against Spurs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: walsall villain on April 27, 2024, 11:27:28 PM
Not sure what it is with us and 2 goal leads. The crowd can sense the warning signs, the players seemingly not.
The two goal lead was very flattering. Yes we had opportunities with fast counter attacks first half but Chelsea looked strong and dominant just like the cup game. I was hoping we could upset their rhythm second half but we had even less of the ball. Feels like a point won to me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 11:27:44 PM
Spurs last 2 games are 6 points (Burnley / Sheffield U) . Tonight is a costly costly 2 points gone .

It’s a valuable point.

So I assume we aren’t getting another point this season?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 27, 2024, 11:29:26 PM
Chelsea not played in Europe either.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 11:29:38 PM
It's not about 'have a few days off, then play' when you talk about tiredness.

It's a long season, we're not used to playing 50+ games, fatigue grows over the longer term not just from day to day.

Playing this many games, with this much pressure must also be mentally draining. It all adds up.

It's not as simple as "well. they've had a couple of days to mook about at the Belfry, what's wrong with them?" 

Agree with this.

I've mentioned it before, but I'd imagine that taking in all Unai's instructions is a bit more mentally draining than playing under Deano or wor Bruce.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 27, 2024, 11:30:48 PM
"We will test him tomorrow," Emery said about Martinez. "Even with the injury of Tielemans, we will have to wait for tomorrow. I don’t know exactly. Even if they are not available for one week, two weeks, three weeks, we have to accept it."
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Risso on April 27, 2024, 11:31:12 PM
Put wor boots on and roll up wor sleeves.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 11:31:19 PM

Alot of neutrals are all saying it was soft too. I dont want to say it but it was soft in my opinion. A soft nudge. Carlos was so weak and shit for that. We got a tad bit lucky there

What? All the ones in the press who support the "big" six. We had a soft VAR against us against Sheffield. So why not accept it happens to all teams rather then you stating we should offer Chelsea the three points because it was a supposed soft decision. For it being soft, the Sky commentator called it a foul in real time.

Because it was soft. Whether we have had ones against us or not doesnt merit it wasnt soft or it wasnt. No one could argue if it was given it would not have been deserved. We were totally hopeless for most of that game.

I gurantee if that was in conference league they would have given that goal.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2024, 11:32:27 PM
Overall across the season Chelsea are one of the teams to have our number, in terms of performance. They outplayed us tonight, they were much the better side before the red card at Stamford Bridge, and they ran over us in the FA Cup. The return of 4 points against them in the league is pretty bloody good. Unai will have to work out how to play against them next season, but hopefully they really turn up against Spurs.

Yeah but at the same time, Newcastle have taken six points off us this season, and they're every bit as bog standard as Chelsea are this season.

It's a shame we didn't win, it was a poor performance, but shit happens. We've not won, but we also haven't lost. We've taken a point here when we'd hope for three, but we just took three points from Arsenal when we'd all have snatched something's hand off for a point.

We are at the very end of a long and tiring season, we're bound to have games like this.

Look at what a good side Liverpool are, and then look at the sort of performances they've been turning in recently. After 50+ games, this sort of thing happens.

It was a poor performance against a side who are probably better than the league table says, or at least should be, but then again, we still took a point.
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Post by: Demitri_C on April 27, 2024, 11:32:40 PM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ROBBO on April 27, 2024, 11:33:27 PM
Thought the tactics were terrible today, no pressure in the midfield allowing them space and time, their first was through us pissing about and losing possession, their second i believe emmi would have saved that. Watkins had no support and was well held. We should not be giving up a two goal lead, Duran should have been on earlier.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 11:35:46 PM
It was a clear foul. Who was the better side on the night doesn't alter that.
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Post by: Baldy on April 27, 2024, 11:38:32 PM
It was a clear foul. Who was the better side on the night doesn't alter that.

Agreed, a clear foul. Amazed ref didn't see it first time round.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 11:39:05 PM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 27, 2024, 11:39:46 PM
Now just need Spurs to fuck up their next three games.

They lose their next three (which is still very possible) and we'd actually confirm 4th by beating Brighton so that's the perspective needed for tonight I think now I've calmed down after that second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 27, 2024, 11:41:31 PM
Soft doesn't come into it. It's either a foul or it isn't. The Chelsea player pushed him which prevented Carlos from being able to challenge. If he hadn't have fouled him then he wouldn't have been able to get the ball across. A foul all day long on Carlos. Amazed the ref didn't see it as I was screaming at the TV as soon as it happened. VAR 100% correct to call it. A  great night for VAR which prevented a complete howler of a mistake by the referee.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 11:41:42 PM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.



4 times. Luton away, but we won that one.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 11:42:00 PM
Now just need Spurs to fuck up their next three games.

They lose their next three (which is still very possible) and we'd actually confirm 4th by beating Brighton so that's the perspective needed for tonight I think now I've calmed down after that second half.

Exactly, posted similar in the 'Champions League Contention' thread.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 11:42:03 PM
It was a clear foul. Who was the better side on the night doesn't alter that.

Agreed, a clear foul. Amazed ref didn't see it first time round.

Worry is there would be what he stated he saw to VAR. No matter what all three strikers on MOTD stated about 6 of one and half dozen, if the ref stated he didn't think it was a foul because of something, whatever he told VAR, they stated it was wrong. I'm guessing it was the forearm into the back they called it on.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 27, 2024, 11:43:30 PM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.



4 times. Luton away, but we won that one.

I'm going on matches were ultimately we threw away the points and didn't win. Because he is also asking why we don't come back from goals down to win matches, even though only one team have actually beaten us from 2 down.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on April 27, 2024, 11:45:17 PM
We’d have won that game if Tielemans hadn’t gone off injured - McGinn having to cover for the totally ineffective Dougie for most of match. Not been in form for months now. Perfectly signed off with that miscontrol from a cross field ball he failed to trap just before he was hooked.
Likewise for Moussa - We may as well have been playing with 9 tonight.

Also, WTF is it with away fans in the home stands lately? Had a go at one who was filming the away end as they celebrated going 3-2 up, smirking like a Cheshire Cat. Politely asked him to go forth and multiply from the Trinity Road Upper before I gave him a helping hand. Could spot em a mile off - all with those fucking half n half scarves.

How can so many get tickets, when proper Villa fans with booking history can’t get near them?! Really boils my piss. 😡
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Post by: Smithy on April 27, 2024, 11:45:55 PM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I know this is how you “feel”, but it’s simply not backed up by the data.  We’re fifth in the league for points gained from losing positions - we’re actually pretty good at coming back from behind.

And even after tonight, we’ve the second best record in the league for points lost from winning positions (we were the best ant keeping points from a lead until we dropped 2 tonight).

Tonight hurts, but don’t let that blind you to the fact that we’re pretty good at coming back when going behind, and keeping a lead when we get in front. We don’t do it 100% of the time, but we’re in the top few for both in the league.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Nev on April 27, 2024, 11:46:09 PM
I went for 2-2. Hoped we'd play better than we did.

Let's face it, we've already achieved what we hoped for league wise, no one was predicting CL.

My only disappointment was the complete abandonment of playing our usual style for the last half an hour, booting it and hoofing it.

And everything about the ko time was shit.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 11:46:30 PM
Don't understand the Chelsea moans about the goal, and Poch saying it's unbelievable and ridiculous. Sky saying it was controversial.

It's a clear foul, absolutely blatant.

Im sorry but it looked really soft and wek from carlos for me. Id be furious if that was given against us tbh

Right that statement is enough for me, I can’t take anything you say seriously. You clearly watched a different game. Night folks 🙏🏼

Right....

Because someone doesnt agree you you can't take their opinion seriously.

Alot of neutrals are all saying it was soft too. I dont want to say it but it was soft in my opinion. A soft nudge. Carlos was so weak and shit for that. We got a tad bit lucky there

You’re right, we’ll agree to disagree. I don’t think Olsen was to blame for any of the goals however. Just because he doesn’t shout and dictate as much as Martinez doesn’t make him a bad keeper. In the last games he’s played he’s made some great saves and rarely repeated any of his early performances. As for the disallowed goal, if it had been the other way around I wouldn’t have argued if the goal was disallowed. It was blatant to me.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 27, 2024, 11:47:22 PM
Now just need Spurs to fuck up their next three games.

They lose their next three (which is still very possible) and we'd actually confirm 4th by beating Brighton so that's the perspective needed for tonight I think now I've calmed down after that second half.

Exactly, posted similar in the 'Champions League Contention' thread.

I don't know if it makes it better or worse, but spurs' third game, at Liverpool, doesn't kick off until after we've finished against Brighton. We're at 2, they're on at 4.30.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 27, 2024, 11:48:12 PM
One thing I will say, Pochettino and Chelsea contingent all coming out saying their third was a goal, it was definitely a foul.

If I was him and fighting for my job I'd probably be saying the same. It was still a foul but needs must when you've had a season like Chelsea. Any straw..
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Post by: Risso on April 27, 2024, 11:48:37 PM
Didn’t see it at the time but the replay showed it was a blatant foul.

We didn’t play well but if Ollie gets that late chance on target we probably win the game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 11:50:26 PM
I just watched it again and he just barges him shoulder into his back, how anybody can argue that isn’t a foul amazes me. It shouldn’t even be talked about it’s that blatant 😂
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Post by: Forge10 on April 27, 2024, 11:51:33 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/34063/13124764/chelsea-swarm-referee-after-late-axel-disasi-disallowed-goal

Seriously does anybody else think this isn’t a foul?
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Post by: Beard82 on April 27, 2024, 11:52:40 PM
Now just need Spurs to fuck up their next three games.

They lose their next three (which is still very possible) and we'd actually confirm 4th by beating Brighton so that's the perspective needed for tonight I think now I've calmed down after that second half.
We need to get a minimum of 3 points from the last 3 games - if we dont get that then we cant really have any complaints.

They've got 3 games in the next 8 days, if I was a spurs fan, id be a twat, Id want 5 points from those games minimum. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 27, 2024, 11:56:21 PM
The only way someone would think it wasn't a foul

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Post by: Pat Mustard on April 27, 2024, 11:56:27 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/34063/13124764/chelsea-swarm-referee-after-late-axel-disasi-disallowed-goal

Seriously does anybody else think this isn’t a foul?

Anyone who thinks that goal was in any way legitimate must be taking the piss. We were sat directly in line with it and could not believe the foul wasn’t called immediately - absolutely diabolical refereeing.

In the second half we looked exactly what we were - a side missing 4 first choice midfielders who have already played 50 matches this season. It’s disappointing not to win given the position we got ourselves into, but a point will do under the circumstances.
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Post by: rougegorge on April 27, 2024, 11:56:50 PM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/34063/13124764/chelsea-swarm-referee-after-late-axel-disasi-disallowed-goal

Seriously does anybody else think this isn’t a foul?
We were right in line, and it looked like a push,  and lots of people round us were calling for a foul before the ball went into the net.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2024, 12:00:16 AM
How desperate was the TNT commentary for that Chelsea comeback ,  phew Lucy thank fuck for that !!

Proper Chelsea fanboys weren't they? They even cut to Joe Cole midway through the second half to congratulate Chelsea on scoring past us.

They've had a poor season but they're not some Luton standard team, more one that still cost 400m + despite all their injuries.

Will stick on the world feed next time if they're covering this game next season as it was nauseating.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: colin69 on April 28, 2024, 12:00:56 AM
Poor all round tonight, especially second half, but got away with a point which could be massive come the end of the season.
Chelsea completely outplayed us but still couldn’t beat us.
From where I was in the Holte End I had no idea if it was a foul or not, but watching it back now clearly it was so Chelsea have nothing to complain about there.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ExclDawg on April 28, 2024, 12:01:49 AM
The foul was a foul.  Even the commentators on my US feed said "Oh, that's a foul", the second Carlos got pushed and before before they had even scored.  Their other non-goal was pretty clearly offsides as well.  So I'm not sure what their beef is.  The ref let them get away with tugs and bumps all night.

That was a pretty abysmal point, but I think the Tielemans injury really started to derail us.  Up until then, I thought we were looking pretty good.  We were sort of consigned to sitting back and letting them possess the ball, but we were still dangerous on the break.  When Martinez went out at half-time though, we really looked unhinged.  Yes Olsen had that one big save, but he seems much less confident with the ball at his feet, and we weren't doing our usual kick-arounds to start off attacks.

I also don't know what's wrong with Dougie.  He seems more content to try and pick a fight than play football.  Unfortunately, I think he might be the main reason we've looked so much better the past two games.  McGinn and Tielmans seem a better pair together. (Likewise, maybe Luiz and Kamara are a better pairing as well)

Ollie also seems to be trying too hard to get that 20th goal. His touch seems off. Rogers has looked great though!  Can't wait to see his future.

I'm also not sure what happened to Diaby.  He walked straight to the tunnel after he was subbed off, and the commentary seems to chide him for it.  Was he injured?  Or mad at Emery for subbing him off?  Was he the one to blame for their second goal?  I thought I saw someone about 10 feet off their goal-scorer and he never bothered to close the gap, letting him get off an uncontested shot.  Was that Diaby?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on April 28, 2024, 12:02:49 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/34063/13124764/chelsea-swarm-referee-after-late-axel-disasi-disallowed-goal

Seriously does anybody else think this isn’t a foul?

The ball bounces in front of Carlos who is shielding it, as the ball bounces up the Chelsea player shoves him so the ball comes back down behind him. There is simply no debate, it is a clear and obvious foul.
Understandably Chelsea were frustrated at the time but anybody still complaining after looking at that needs to give their head a wobble. 
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:03:00 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/34063/13124764/chelsea-swarm-referee-after-late-axel-disasi-disallowed-goal

Seriously does anybody else think this isn’t a foul?

As I mentioned earlier to a certain poster and can be heard on that link, BOTH the sky commentators called it a foul in real time. So much for all the neutrals thought it should have stood.
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Post by: rougegorge on April 28, 2024, 12:03:17 AM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.
Just to correct...we didnt come back from 2 down at Bournemouth , although we were trailing twice.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2024, 12:03:43 AM
Now just need Spurs to fuck up their next three games.

They lose their next three (which is still very possible) and we'd actually confirm 4th by beating Brighton so that's the perspective needed for tonight I think now I've calmed down after that second half.

Exactly, posted similar in the 'Champions League Contention' thread.

I don't know if it makes it better or worse, but spurs' third game, at Liverpool, doesn't kick off until after we've finished against Brighton. We're at 2, they're on at 4.30.

Even better then. Spurs lose their next two, we beat Brighton and then they go into Liverpool away knowing they have to win at Anfield AND beat Man. City to have any chance of 4th.

Mentally that will be too much for them and more likely to lose 4-0.

This is a similar situation to the deflation after the Brentford game so just have to try to do the same and win the next three and then it's a brilliant ending to the season in league and cup.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 12:03:52 AM
I guarantee Poch and co would have been convinced it was a foul if it had been us scoring it. Difference is i'd like to think we, especially Unai, wouldn't have been such twats over it being disallowed as it was so obvious.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: SoccerHQ on April 28, 2024, 12:05:31 AM
Wasn't Disasi actually offside? He was ahead of the ball and looked to be ahead of all our defenders when the cross came in.

Looked more clear cut than the one in the first half which I was expecting to be given.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2024, 12:07:41 AM
Would be annoyed if that decison had gone against our attackers.

But it didn't. So fcuk Potch and fcuk his XG Final Fantasy top 4 battlers.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2024, 12:08:20 AM
Hopefully the luck evens itself out and they get plenty of it against Tottingham.
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 28, 2024, 12:08:38 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/34063/13124764/chelsea-swarm-referee-after-late-axel-disasi-disallowed-goal

Seriously does anybody else think this isn’t a foul?

Not me. If it's the other way around there, Diego Carlos shoving Badiashile under the ball, they're screaming for a penalty.

However, this doesn't change the fact that Diego Carlos was not exactly at his best this evening. Quite fucking shit, actually.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 12:09:06 AM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.

No, we came back from one down twice. Agree with the tone of your post though.
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:09:11 AM
Wasn't Disasi actually offside? He was ahead of the ball and looked to be ahead of all our defenders when the cross came in.

Looked more clear cut than the one in the first half which I was expecting to be given.

No, Duran and probably Diego after the foul played him on. The former runs along the line thinking he would help out Carlos when he headed it wide/ down as he was priming to do.
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Post by: The Moose on April 28, 2024, 12:11:24 AM
We've seen 70 goals In 18 home games - that's entertainment 👏
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Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 28, 2024, 12:11:43 AM
Pochettino is massively overrated, and a twat to boot, and I'm so glad he's not our manager.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Forge10 on April 28, 2024, 12:11:48 AM
Poch talks out his arse, nobody takes him seriously anymore after his 4th place statement not so long ago. It may be that buying all these young players pays dividends in the near future, but it could bite him on the arse if that doesn’t happen with the money he’s spent.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 12:17:47 AM
Poch talks out his arse, nobody takes him seriously anymore after his 4th place statement not so long ago. It may be that buying all these young players pays dividends in the near future, but it could bite him on the arse if that doesn’t happen with the money he’s spent.

I don’t think he picked any of them.
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Post by: Forge10 on April 28, 2024, 12:19:22 AM
https://www.skysports.com/football/video/34063/13124764/chelsea-swarm-referee-after-late-axel-disasi-disallowed-goal

Seriously does anybody else think this isn’t a foul?

Not me. If it's the other way around there, Diego Carlos shoving Badiashile under the ball, they're screaming for a penalty.

However, this doesn't change the fact that Diego Carlos was not exactly at his best this evening. Quite fucking shit, actually.

I think UE wanted to shake it up, as we’re down to the bare bones we don’t have the quality to bring on. Carlos was superb against City and Arsenal but those standards are too few and far between. Despite what I said the other week about needing favours from other teams I think we are going to need a couple. I may be wrong here but I reckon we have around 14 senior players fit now and Duran and Irogbenum who are youngsters with a little experience.
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Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on April 28, 2024, 12:21:01 AM
I was expecting a 4 nil + at half time. But I'm happy with the point in the end.  I have to say Manuake was a pest all game his close control and rapid changes of direction caused loads of pain. Gallagher and Casciado roughed us up in midfield Luiz just went missing. They pressed hard 2nd half we couldn't cope. If torres launched it would always go to a blue shirt. And we just got pinned back if we tried to play out from the back. I'm sure their first was torres taking extra touches. Suprised we didn't just give the ball the Bailey to run at curacella more often.
Very dissapointing to throw away a 2-0 lead but chelsea deserved a point perhaps more.
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Post by: Hillbilly on April 28, 2024, 12:21:16 AM
Desperate stuff. Too many stray passes, too much running into dead ends. Let’s hope it was just an off day.
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Post by: Forge10 on April 28, 2024, 12:21:29 AM
Poch talks out his arse, nobody takes him seriously anymore after his 4th place statement not so long ago. It may be that buying all these young players pays dividends in the near future, but it could bite him on the arse if that doesn’t happen with the money he’s spent.

I don’t think he picked any of them.

Ahhhh so a bit of a Sherwood scenario….? Fair enough….. he still talks nonsense though.
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Post by: Forge10 on April 28, 2024, 12:26:01 AM
I thought both full backs did ok tonight. It does worry me however with the space they are told to leave by playing so narrow. Bailey and Rogers do sit in but I thought the latter looked tired second half. I’m unsure why Bailey came off, thought he was our only outlet going forward second half.
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:27:38 AM
He has been nursing a knock the last few games. I was actually surprised he started.
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Post by: Forge10 on April 28, 2024, 12:27:40 AM
Shit the bed look at the time, I’m talking to myself. Blip tonight, let’s bounce back Thursday. UTV 🦁 💪🏼
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Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2024, 12:30:58 AM
I was that confident it was a foul, I took the chance to go for a piss whilst waiting for VAR to intervene and make a decision. Which they did.

I don't give a shit whether it was 'soft', whether Carlos 'should have been stronger' or anything else; he was barged off the ball, unfairly, and a free-kick was the only sensible decision.

The chance that Palmer had was as a result of a poor clearance, but in reality Olsen should have stayed in his box and waited for the defensive header back to him.

We've so many players out, and against some teams we just don't click consistently enough.

A draw is disappointing after being two up, but it's a point closer to Top 4.

If anyone had offered us the position we're in even a few weeks ago we'd have snapped their hands off.
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Post by: john e on April 28, 2024, 12:32:19 AM
Chelsea can fuck right off
Played against Arsenal didn’t even try, running around like twats embarrassing themselves
They’ve been absolute dog shit all season, players fighting each other and the whole club is an utter shambles

Then they play us and turn into Puskas and the mighty Magyars
Poch said when they beat us in the cup 4 nil that was their best performance all season
Just fuck off
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:32:53 AM
The chance that Palmer had was as a result of a poor clearance, but in reality Olsen should have stayed in his box and waited for the defensive header back to him.

Martinez does come out and clean up alot of those balls, but he has the experience in doing that.
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Post by: Risso on April 28, 2024, 12:32:56 AM
Agreed, it was just a really balatant shove.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:34:29 AM
Chelsea can fuck right off
Played against Arsenal didn’t even try, running around like twats embarrassing themselves
They’ve been absolute dog shit all season, players fighting each other and the whole club is an utter shambles

Then they play us and turn into Puskas and the mighty Magyars
Poch said when they beat us in the cup 4 nil that was their best performance all season
Just fuck off

Did he say 4-0 or did you post the score? Any links if he said it?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2024, 12:34:44 AM
 :'(

If that performance is in November, I'm MUCH more concerned about what the season ahead will bring.  But we know what this side is about, and today was a very off day. And yet we still got a point against one of the form sides in the league.

We got that performance in November at Forest 😉
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2024, 12:35:35 AM
Is it confirmed Martinez is out for season?

Don't be making shit up like your old fake quotes from Villa managers!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2024, 12:36:42 AM
Is it confirmed Martinez is out for season?

Don't be making shit up like your old fake quotes from Villa managers!

I genuinely wasn’t I was following a post from legion who said yes to someone else.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2024, 12:37:09 AM
Fcuking hell the bbc with this shit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68862601
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:37:44 AM
He is asking a question (the symbol at the end shows that).

A couple of more excitable posters have stated we won't make 4th now because we have lost Martinez for the season. His question might be based on those.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: passport1 on April 28, 2024, 12:38:45 AM
If you can't win it don't  lose it. Seven points ahead of Spurs, that's quite  a guantlet we have thrown down. Let's see what they are made of. Onwards and upwards.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: eamonn on April 28, 2024, 12:38:59 AM
Looking at the performance in isolation it was a poor performance.  In the wider context we are playing a lot of games at the moment and still have injuries. We were due a bad game. I'm ok with a point.

Our bad game was away at Lille. Not due another bad one til next season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: adrenachrome on April 28, 2024, 12:39:08 AM
Would be annoyed if that decison had gone against our attackers.

But it didn't. So fcuk Potch and fcuk his XG Final Fantasy top 4 battlers.

Me too, but there was a blatant foul on Digne after that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:41:31 AM
Fcuking hell the bbc with this shit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68862601

Erm, most of it is factual reporting isn't it. Poch ensured the story was on VAR (and it did change the result).
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: john2710 on April 28, 2024, 12:41:53 AM
We are really down to bare bones & it's beginning to show. Most of the second half looked like we were down to 10 men.

Let's hope we can scrape together the points we need & Spurs don't get anything from their games in hand.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 12:49:01 AM
Chelsea can fuck right off
Played against Arsenal didn’t even try, running around like twats embarrassing themselves
They’ve been absolute dog shit all season, players fighting each other and the whole club is an utter shambles

Then they play us and turn into Puskas and the mighty Magyars
Poch said when they beat us in the cup 4 nil that was their best performance all season
Just fuck off

3-1.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2024, 12:52:26 AM
Fcuking hell the bbc with this shit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68862601

Erm, most of it is factual reporting isn't it. Poch ensured the story was on VAR (and it did change the result).

I just don’t believe the narrative that the top four place is wide open for spurs. Spurs will lose another game this season and we will get more points.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:56:00 AM
Fcuking hell the bbc with this shit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68862601

Erm, most of it is factual reporting isn't it. Poch ensured the story was on VAR (and it did change the result).

I just don’t believe the narrative that the top four place is wide open for spurs. Spurs will lose another game this season and we will get more points.

I might be missing it as it is now late but below are the only two quotes I noticed about top four.

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Villa, whose top-four hopes are now not in their hands as a result of the dropped points, had taken an early lead after John McGinn's miscued effort deflected off Chelsea left-back Marc Cucurella and into the bottom corner.

Which is factually true. Actual truth we won't know for a few more matches, which they acknowledge further down.

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It is hard to know how this result will affect Villa's top-four hopes, but with a home game against Liverpool sandwiched between trips to Brighton and Crystal Palace it may be damaging.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2024, 01:04:36 AM
It was a quote I put up earlier than that match report never mind anyway.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 01:07:27 AM
It was a quote I put up earlier than that match report never mind anyway.

People had mentioned that being the title somewhere, but it seems they have removed it.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2024, 01:07:59 AM
This is what they posted earlier.

From the bbc

That draw keeps the door to the top four wide open for Tottenham now.

Spurs are seven points behind fourth-placed Aston Villa with three games in hand.

Wide open oh do fuck off.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Keeno on April 28, 2024, 01:11:44 AM
That was fucking pathetic. We got veey lucky with that

A true horror show. Cannot believe how mamy times we have let 2 goal leads slip. Its simply not good enough

Genuinely think you trump Footy as the most ridiculous poster on this site right now. Some going.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 28, 2024, 01:15:45 AM
Fcuking hell the bbc with this shit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/68862601

Erm, most of it is factual reporting isn't it. Poch ensured the story was on VAR (and it did change the result).

I just don’t believe the narrative that the top four place is wide open for spurs. Spurs will lose another game this season and we will get more points.

Not like the BBC to be negative about us!!  Spurs have got 3 games in the next week, which happen to be against Arsenal and away at Chelsea and Liverpool which the article of course fails to mention. 
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 01:20:23 AM
This is the full quote and was on the live coverage https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/live/football/68864457


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That draw keeps the door to the top four wide open for Tottenham now.

Spurs are seven points behind fourth-placed Aston Villa with three games in hand.

Tottenham do not have an easy run-in, though. Ange Postecoglou's side host Arsenal on Sunday and they still have to play Chelsea, Liverpool and Manchester City as well as already relegated Sheffield United and Burnley.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 01:23:21 AM
And Poch

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On if he thought their late goal should have stood: "Me and you and everyone in the stadium watching the game. They didn't see a foul on the pitch and then VAR changed the decision of the referee. For me that was a normal challenge. The decision was there and that's it.

"For me it damaged a little bit the Premier League and English [football]. If we want to be the best league in the world it should be protecting the spectacle and the decision. At Wembley for handball was a penalty against Manchester City and the referee didn't check and the VAR didn't advise the referee to see the incident.

"Damaged myself, damaged my team, my players, my fans.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 01:26:59 AM
Also Pochetittybaby

And everyone, really, you think that, really?


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Chelsea manager Mauricio Pochettino, speaking to TNT Sports: "Everyone that was watching the game will feel disappointed.

"Two different things the referee said it was a foul and disallowed the goal and then going to the VAR to confirm.

"The referee is unbelievable and it's ridiculous. It is difficult to accept, these type of things in the semi-final [FA Cup against Man City] two weeks ago it was handball and it was no penalty, the referee he didn't check it.

"It is painful as it has damaged English football and I think Villa players and their fans didn't understand why the goal was disallowed.

"They said it was foul and if you see the challenge what happened if we go into every single challenge like this it is going to be a foul and we wouldn't finish the game with 11 [players].

"We can talk about the performance or the decision - it is damaging the game."
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 01:29:05 AM
And finally, James has an extreme solution to what VAR should do to a ref that misses an obvious foul

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My issue isn't that a foul is given. My issue is that the ref had a good view in real time and didn't give it. Allowed jubilant celebrations, just for VAR to ruin it. Why didn't he blow up after it happened?

James, London
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2024, 01:30:09 AM
But they're 4th, with a seven point cushion and well placed to dominate English football for the next decade with their smart decisions. So how damaging is it really.

Oh wait.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 28, 2024, 01:58:43 AM
It was a foul on Carlos,ifyoudo that in the build up to a goal, it is going’s to get reviewed.

Chelsea the better team, that should have won,they didn’t.

We are tired, its obvious.
Not buying the tired excuse . They just had a week off .

The players were given 2 days off. We’ve played 51 games this season. Chelsea have played many less. Spurs have played 35. We have significant injuries to key players and continued to do so today. That we are also traveling back and forth from Europe, won three massive games in a week last week matters. It makes a huge difference to the players physically and mentally. You don’t think all that adds up?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: darren woolley on April 28, 2024, 02:38:58 AM
I'll take a point just hope Arsenal beat Spurs.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 02:44:57 AM
Must be a Chelsea manager requirement to whine about the ref and exaggerate

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Chelsea manager Emma Hayes said Kadeisha Buchanan's red card in the semi-final defeat by Barcelona was the "worst decision in Women's Champions League history".

Buchanan was ordered off for a second yellow card offence as Chelsea were knocked out, losing 2-0 at Stamford Bridge for a 2-1 exit on aggregate.

Hayes said she thought her side - who also conceded a penalty - were "robbed" by referee Iuliana Demetrescu's decisions.

Buchanan's second booking came for a challenge on Patri Guijarro just before the hour mark.

"I didn't think it was a foul, let alone a yellow card," said Hayes.

Chelsea were 1-0 down to Aitana Bonmati's first-half goal but level on aggregate when the red card came out, with the tie in the balance.

Fridolina Rolfo's spot-kick in the 75th minute carried Barcelona through to the 25 May final.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Rory on April 28, 2024, 02:57:31 AM
And finally, James has an extreme solution to what VAR should do to a ref that misses an obvious foul

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My issue isn't that a foul is given. My issue is that the ref had a good view in real time and didn't give it. Allowed jubilant celebrations, just for VAR to ruin it. Why didn't he blow up after it happened?

James, London

Is this the first game he's watched since the introduction of VAR?

James in London can tongue my cat's anus.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 03:14:39 AM
This is what they posted earlier.

From the bbc

That draw keeps the door to the top four wide open for Tottenham now.

Spurs are seven points behind fourth-placed Aston Villa with three games in hand.

Wide open oh do fuck off.
BbC Spurs bias , I'm shocked .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2024, 04:22:22 AM
Pochettino’s comments post game are both childish and wrong. It’s a foul, the ref missed it, that’s what VAR is for. It’s really pretty simple.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ROBBO on April 28, 2024, 05:01:15 AM
If the ref had blown immediately it would have not been an issue, it was an easy one to call. They were disappointed but so have we all been at some time in the season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2024, 05:03:33 AM
They were, but the manager should be able to be an adult.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: remy on April 28, 2024, 05:52:44 AM
Yes I’m gutted we let them back in it and they almost won but thanks to a fantastic save from Olsen from Palmer and a correct VAR overturning twat referee (like it’s supposed to) but still we salvaged a point from a poor 2nd half but good first half.

We are a bloody good team !

We are 1 win away from beating 17 of 19 premier league sides that INCLUDES current champions and their closest challengers.

They had to change game plan or we’d get another 2 as their original plan wasn’t working.

Having lost Tielmans half way through the first half we now adjust and score a beautiful 2nd.However we missed his eye for a pass 2nd half. Our confidence also shook when Martinez goes off - so now we have to adjust mid game while Chavski pound at our mid section.

With the quality of Gallagher and Palmer I was waiting for at least one goal from them.

Some players didn’t play as well as their normal standards today and were disappointed because the same players were OUTSTANDING against the Arse. They don’t need moving on you hystericals.

The usual media felicitation of chavski was annoying and not unexpected was it.

3 games ago I was expecting 6 out of 9 points - we got 7.

It’s going to be a Herculean task for Spuds to get 9 from Arse, Chavski and the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'. We’ll regroup and beat the Seagulls.

We went from elation to disappointment to gutted to phew a point.

They went from damn - to yesss to joy rapture and back down to gutted and cry infamy! Waaaaaaah we didn’t get our pre-foul goal (like normal). Suck it up you cheating twats.

Onto Olympikios!

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2024, 06:43:45 AM
I blame the full week’s rest. We can’t cope with that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2024, 07:07:08 AM
I'll take a point just hope Arsenal beat Spurs.
Darren even if it’s a draw another game’s gone and gap is still the same.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ez on April 28, 2024, 07:57:07 AM
We've played four games while spurs have been having a rest so I'll cut them some slack.
I'm still peed off with the ref not giving that foul straight away. Even the spurs and chelsea loving Glen Hoddle called him out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2024, 08:28:09 AM
Not read the thread so this has probably been said but I was happy with a point despite being two up, never really felt we were in control of the game apart from the period right after our second when their heads went down dramatically.

Thought too many big players were well off it for us to have that control we needed to hang on to the lead, very little attacking threat but we did have some big breakaway chances to extend a little deserved lead, Ollies being the major one, I dont think they showed that on MOTD?

As I said to my companions, I feel a little for Olson, he had a fine game, he did nothing at all wrong, but the entire mood of the team seems to change when Emi isn't there.

I was impressed by Chelsea, they held the ball very well in our third, won it back aggressively and pulled us around all over the field, a very Emery like performance by them, that said, on replay their disallowed goal was clear, cant mind the ref missed it in real time, a proper shove.

All in all a bad day at the office we got a point from.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: eye digress on April 28, 2024, 08:52:51 AM
As others have said, a valuable point, though not one we deserved particularly: we improved our position slightly, even though we didn’t achieve the 9-point gap we dreamed of.
Iroegbunem is lacking at this level (not blaming him for the result, just an observation).
Importantly, Chelsea showed they have something left to play for (pride, Europe). That works in our favour in the overall scheme of things.
Let’s hope the in-game injuries (which did disrupt us) are not serious.

Chelsea are something like our doppelgänger: a strong squad underperforming roughly to the degree we are overperforming man for man (due to skilled coaching, good strategy, etc.). Failing to qualify for Europe for a second season could look like a trend, and given their FFP tightrope, it also looks likely to impair their progress in the coming seasons. Can they keep their best players? Who will want to sign for them?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Astnor on April 28, 2024, 08:56:55 AM
Reason we fell so apart may be part due to injury to Tielemans and the substitution with Diaby. then we didnt have Tielemans serving the attackers with passes and we didnt have Mcginn up there to hold on to the ball and being aggresive. Diaby not holding on to the ball, getting passes or being particulary playable and our counterattacking strategy fell apart. Might be said before this, havent read all the thread (yet).
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: caster troy on April 28, 2024, 09:07:52 AM
I thought Duran should have come on sooner to try to hold the ball up, how many times did we chip the ball in to Watkins/Diaby and lose possession immediately? When Olsen is in goal we aren't so confident playing it out so it makes sense to go more direct but we did not have the players to do that.

As my Dad texted me after the game, it's not a bad thing for Chelsea to have played well as they have Spurs in midweek. What worries me is they will revert to type and be poor in that game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 09:13:50 AM
Awful performance from us but I was more worried after the Brentford draw. To get the point after that second half could be massive, and if Arsenal don't screw it up today we could be 7 points clear of Spurs and them only having 2 games in hand, which, bad at maths as I am, still gives us the advantage?

It's annoying that several times now we could maybe have been out of sight of them, 4th place guaranteed, and give full concentration to the European games, but this is where we are and it's a million times better than where we were for a long time, so I'm just ignoring yesterday and looking cautiously forward to Thursday.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 09:17:24 AM
Really really poor to throw away another 2 goal lead and i fear this will come back to haunt us . Tielemans looked finished for the season the way he wen off. I think Martinez was precautionary . I think we've handed Spurs hope . Just need to rely on Arsenal and Chelsea this week now .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 28, 2024, 09:20:49 AM
I thought Duran should have come on sooner to try to hold the ball up, how many times did we chip the ball in to Watkins/Diaby and lose possession immediately? When Olsen is in goal we aren't so confident playing it out so it makes sense to go more direct but we did not have the players to do that.

As my Dad texted me after the game, it's not a bad thing for Chelsea to have played well as they have Spurs in midweek. What worries me is they will revert to type and be poor in that game.

Good point - surprised not to see him on for Bailey.

Ho hum - I suspect we will look back and say 4 points v them was generous based on performance and chances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2024, 09:22:28 AM
Having now read the thread, yes Chelsea aren't having a great season but they also aren't getting relegated. They have one of the best paid managers in the world who has taken an unfancied team to the Champions League final. I learned a few minutes ago, that Manduke, who had a fine game and I thought had come through their youth system, was a player with a fee so high he would be our second biggest transfer ever. They seemed to understand our weaknesses very well and how to exploit them with runners from deep.

A draw against them when we are below par is a steady result, and its no bad thing that they may be coming into a little form.

Also TimI, it seems churlish to even think of criticising the manager but, if I were to, it would be that he hasn't given him enough game time when he could have. A difficult game to come on in and he was patchy, did well a few times, looked like an inexperienced kid a few times. We could have done with him being more up to speed that he is, and for that he needs game time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Gareth on April 28, 2024, 09:31:25 AM
Not read anything since the game but thought we were v lucky to get a point….much like the Spurs game we struggled with a team who committed 5/6 to the press at all times when we held the ball at the back….most games we find a way through consistently but I thought the best player by a mile on the pitch Thiago Silva had Ollie in his pocket so little ball was sticking.

Personally I thought we were poor first half slack on the ball a lot of the time, apparently I was watching a different game and we were brilliant according to those around me….the scoreboard at that point was great but the signs were there.

Thought Iroegbunam was a very good sub, got stuck in and caused chaos in the middle, would start him in Thursday or Sunday.

Good point by the end….over to Spurs now
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: eye digress on April 28, 2024, 09:43:05 AM
Also TimI, it seems churlish to even think of criticising the manager but, if I were to, it would be that he hasn't given him enough game time when he could have.

Emery gave Iroegbunam his roadmap in the run-up to (I think) the Luton away game:

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It’s his moment. He has to be demanding and he has to do it… quick. He has to be ready and say, ‘It’s my time, now I am here!’

I can’t recall any games since then where his performance has expressed that sentiment. He seems like a good lad, but lacks the (perhaps selfish) edge required to make the step up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2024, 09:46:20 AM
Really really poor to throw away another 2 goal lead and i fear this will come back to haunt us . Tielemans looked finished for the season the way he wen off. I think Martinez was precautionary . I think we've handed Spurs hope . Just need to rely on Arsenal and Chelsea this week now .

Tielemans walked off on the Doug Ellis side, then walked all round the pitch. Hopefully not too bad.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 09:48:55 AM
I've not seen enough of the lad to have an opinion but it always amazes me how there's people on here in the match buildup threads calling for him to start big games, over players like Diaby or Tielemans. And then there's others who reckon he's nowhere near the standard required either through lack of game time or just lack of ability. I suspect the correct appraisal is somewhere in the middle.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 09:49:19 AM
I was watching, Pochettino, and I appealed immediately from the Upper Holte for a really obvious shove on Carlos. The real "disgrace" is how the referee didn't see it.

Felt we struggled massively with their shape 2nd half. Side Show Bob created a constant overload in our midfield and we couldn't hold onto the ball. It was 45 minutes of panic, not aided by Tielemans being off the pitch, but also McGinn and Luiz both being really poor. McGinn seemed to miss tackle after tackle and Luiz was at fault for the first and generally really inaccurate in everything he did. Watkins didn't hold a thing up and Bailey seemed to shrink, with Diaby offering nothing. Slap in Rogers persistent giving away of the ball and you ought to have a recipe for a hammering.

I think on that basis, and maybe helped by their goal being disallowed, I feel quite pleased with the point, as it felt we would inevitability get beat the way we struggled.

For me, Duran ought to have come on earlier as 2 up top is a useful way to counter 3 at the back, to stop the spare man tucking into midfield, but we don't have many options. There is a difference when you have spent £1bn and cheated the system assigning hotels with management contracts to having injuries and the volume we have. But we're 19 points clear of them so chew on that when you're sacked in the summer Pochettino.

Our highest place finish since 1996! With 4 games to spare. When you think of the inherent advantages cheats like Chelsea have or oil based Newcastle or Man United, that's just incredible. To let us finish above them at a canter is a "disgrace".

Hopefully Chelsea will take confidence from that, as written with gritted teeth aside, they had a plan, executed it well and looked... pretty good. As much as we contributed to it, there was nothing of the spineless quality they showed the other day. So good luck against Spurs, who hopefully get hammered by Arsenal today.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 28, 2024, 09:55:02 AM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.

Ok if you have fixed the post can you tell me when the last time we came back from 2 down to win a game this year? When we tend to go 2 down we lose the game or dont win.

The point im making is we need to show resilience at 2 goals up in a lot of games. That 2nd half was almost a exavt replica of what happened at OT. You cant be doing that twice in a season if you want to be  a top side
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2024, 09:59:50 AM
Also TimI, it seems churlish to even think of criticising the manager but, if I were to, it would be that he hasn't given him enough game time when he could have.

Emery gave Iroegbunam his roadmap in the run-up to (I think) the Luton away game:

Quote
It’s his moment. He has to be demanding and he has to do it… quick. He has to be ready and say, ‘It’s my time, now I am here!’

I can’t recall any games since then where his performance has expressed that sentiment. He seems like a good lad, but lacks the (perhaps selfish) edge required to make the step up.

I suppose my issue is that we have games coming thick and fast, an injury list like we've never seen and a player that 'looks' like he could be exactly what we need, and already on the payroll. But I honestly don't know if he should be playing, because he's hardly had a look-in. UA obviously trusts him to an extent as he's in squads and got onto the pitch in tight games, but not trusted him enough to start or play more.

I'd just expect to have a clearer opinion on him by now both because of his age but also circumstances at the club.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Clampy on April 28, 2024, 10:00:57 AM
I think the problem with Diaby yesterday was where he played him. He seemed to be playing in the middle as an extra midfelder at times and it just didn't work. I think
in hindsight, maybe throwing Duran on as the second striker might have been more effective.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: walsall villain on April 28, 2024, 10:01:51 AM
Really really poor to throw away another 2 goal lead and i fear this will come back to haunt us . Tielemans looked finished for the season the way he wen off. I think Martinez was precautionary . I think we've handed Spurs hope . Just need to rely on Arsenal and Chelsea this week now .

Tielemans walked off on the Doug Ellis side, then walked all round the pitch. Hopefully not too bad.
His reaction when lying injured suggested otherwise, fingers crossed but knowing our luck…
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 10:03:19 AM
Yeah that suggested to me he knew he was done, just a question of how dramatic he is; so angry he's done for that game or the season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2024, 10:04:53 AM
I think the problem with Diaby yesterday was where he played him. He seemed to be playing in the middle as an extra midfelder at times and it just didn't work. I think
in hindsight, maybe throwing Duran on as the second striker might have been more effective.

I think there’s definitely something in that. Given we were inviting pressure so much i would have got Diaby to play up top and basically try to go pretty direct to use his pace in behind. That at least would have given them something to think about. Clearly it wasn’t intentional, but we just sat off and let them play in the second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 10:07:04 AM
Yeah that suggested to me he knew he was done, just a question of how dramatic he is; so angry he's done for that game or the season.

Or maybe he was thinking about Thursday night. Possibly the biggest game the club has had since the playoff final, and really on a much bigger stage than that. I'd be mad if I thought I was going to miss that, even of I'd be back at the weekend.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Baldy on April 28, 2024, 10:11:49 AM
I thought Duran should have come on sooner to try to hold the ball up, how many times did we chip the ball in to Watkins/Diaby and lose possession immediately? When Olsen is in goal we aren't so confident playing it out so it makes sense to go more direct but we did not have the players to do that.

As my Dad texted me after the game, it's not a bad thing for Chelsea to have played well as they have Spurs in midweek. What worries me is they will revert to type and be poor in that game.

An added incentive, Pochettino got sacked by Spurs and hopefully wants to prove a point. Bit like Unai against the Arses.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2024, 10:12:57 AM
Watching back that first goal we conceded, it was just really poor play. Sometimes you have to realise you’re boxed in and take a different option.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 28, 2024, 10:12:59 AM
I'm still trying to come to terms with how much we missed Tielemans.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Dave P on April 28, 2024, 10:24:13 AM
I'm still trying to come to terms with how much we missed Tielemans.

Correct. Tielemans is an excellent player.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Dave P on April 28, 2024, 10:25:49 AM
Regarding the last minute Chelsea ‘goal’. In the ground I thought it was a foul, I’ve seen the VAR slowed down replay and it looked a foul, however just catching up on MOTD and I feel we may have got away with one tbf. It was a foul but it was soft and Carlos didn’t cover himself in glory in those 2 mins
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 28, 2024, 10:29:41 AM
Chelsea have got our number. They bossed us throughout and we couldn’t do anything about it. To get a point out of the game was magnificent.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 10:32:01 AM
We were somewhat fortunate to get the 3 points off them in the away game this season too. We could have lost both those games so coming away with 4 points from them isn't that bad a result. As always it's the way we played when dropping points that's more of an issue.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 10:44:45 AM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.

Ok if you have fixed the post can you tell me when the last time we came back from 2 down to win a game this year? When we tend to go 2 down we lose the game or dont win.

The point im making is we need to show resilience at 2 goals up in a lot of games. That 2nd half was almost a exavt replica of what happened at OT. You cant be doing that twice in a season if you want to be  a top side

No, the point you originally made is we are always giving up two goal leads and losing/not winning when you stated ALWAYS giving up 2 goal leads. We have now dropped 7 points from taking leads and still are the best in that particular table after liverpool also dropped points against West Ham, Tottenham have dropped 20.When we beat Spurs down there, they were only the fifth club in prem history to lose three consecutive games after taking the lead. So, can you tell me why we are not a top side again?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: The Edge on April 28, 2024, 10:49:22 AM
It was also be wonderful if we could start coming back and winning goals from two down as opposed to always three times giving up 2 goal leads. Hopefully we will see this much less come next season as unai learning about this group

I fixed it for you. Three times. And we did come back from two down against Bournemouth away. Didn't win it but then neither did Chelsea or Brentford. We also came back from 1 goal down multiple times as well to win matches.

Ok if you have fixed the post can you tell me when the last time we came back from 2 down to win a game this year? When we tend to go 2 down we lose the game or dont win.

The point im making is we need to show resilience at 2 goals up in a lot of games. That 2nd half was almost a exavt replica of what happened at OT. You cant be doing that twice in a season if you want to be  a top side

No, the point you originally made is we are always giving up two goal leads and losing/not winning when you stated ALWAYS giving up 2 goal leads. We have now dropped 7 points from taking leads and still are the best in that particular table after liverpool also dropped points against West Ham, Tottenham have dropped 20.When we beat Spurs down there, they were only the fifth club in prem history to lose three consecutive games after taking the lead. So, can you tell me why we are not a top side again?
Checkmate.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2024, 10:49:48 AM
Isn't it three times this season we've lost a 2-0 lead? Not to mention going 3 up against Forest and them clawing it back to 3-2. It's an area to improve on I'd say!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Nev on April 28, 2024, 10:50:24 AM
This lot are beginning to feel like a bit of a bogey side given the way we have performed in the last two home games.
We can be a proper Jekyll and Hyde team at times, but thar right and things will look even brighter.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 10:50:50 AM
Regarding the last minute Chelsea ‘goal’. In the ground I thought it was a foul, I’ve seen the VAR slowed down replay and it looked a foul, however just catching up on MOTD and I feel we may have got away with one tbf. It was a foul but it was soft and Carlos didn’t cover himself in glory in those 2 mins

Three strikers who will always favour on the side of goal scorers all state they didn't think it was a foul so you agreed with them? I never get why a deliberate push in the back of the player favourite to get the ball is classed as soft on the fouled player (same with when Ollie didn't get a penalty for very similar contact into the back of him against Wolves.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: pablo_picasso on April 28, 2024, 10:56:36 AM
Frustrating cos Chelsea are shit.

And letting that yapping Yorkshire Terrier Gallagher score again is infuriating. Overrated little shit-heel...

Still, a point is better than losing, so small mercies.

We have to look for stronger competition for both Diego Carlos & Olsen for next season though.

Neither are anywhere near good enough.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2024, 11:02:28 AM
Reason we fell so apart may be part due to injury to Tielemans and the substitution with Diaby. then we didnt have Tielemans serving the attackers with passes and we didnt have Mcginn up there to hold on to the ball and being aggresive. Diaby not holding on to the ball, getting passes or being particulary playable and our counterattacking strategy fell apart. Might be said before this, havent read all the thread (yet).

McGinn was brutal in both positions. Big SJM fan but he had a shocker last night. Tielemans was a loss as he seemed the only one composed in possession.
Emery was far too slow not to recognise they moved all their attacks down our left. As much as Diaby struggled I think he would have been a better bet on our left than Rogers in helping out Digne.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 11:05:31 AM
Isn't it three times this season we've lost a 2-0 lead? Not to mention going 3 up against Forest and them clawing it back to 3-2. It's an area to improve on I'd say!

When you distill it down though, you sort of realise its a moan that we're not going to win the league. So while I'd absolutely love for us to improve upon that for next season, to challenge for the title, it feels a bit off moaning about it, with our highest finish in 30 years, 20 wins 70+ goals etc.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 11:05:57 AM
When he missed the open goal I did wonder on McGinn, lucky he had Sideshow Mel to cannon it in for him.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2024, 11:07:03 AM
This lot are beginning to feel like a bit of a bogey side given the way we have performed in the last two home games.
We can be a proper Jekyll and Hyde team at times, but thar right and things will look even brighter.

Yes I said last they seem to be kryptonite to us, but still we've took 4 points off them this season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: brontebilly on April 28, 2024, 11:10:07 AM
Watching back that first goal we conceded, it was just really poor play. Sometimes you have to realise you’re boxed in and take a different option.

Long ball to Watkins didn't work all night. Granted he was outnumbered a lot of the time but his hold up play was poor throughout. We played out of the Chelsea press comfortably enough in the first half but after half time we just couldn't. For that goal at least we were trying to do the right thing but Luiz simply can't be caught in possession like that.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2024, 11:10:30 AM
Isn't it three times this season we've lost a 2-0 lead? Not to mention going 3 up against Forest and them clawing it back to 3-2. It's an area to improve on I'd say!

When you distill it down though, you sort of realise its a moan that we're not going to win the league. So while I'd absolutely love for us to improve upon that for next season, to challenge for the title, it feels a bit off moaning about it, with our highest finish in 30 years, 70 wins 70+ goals etc.

Well, it might be a moan as to why we don't finish top 4, which could actually be damaging to our ambitions. Underperforming teams might be better than us next year, this might be our only real chance in these years to get into the CL, and I just don't want a repeat of the last time we came close but missed out.

Emery's a miracle worker, but that's kind of our problem - the performance of this team is a bit too close to miraculous for us to feel comfortable about the future.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 11:10:56 AM
Really really poor to throw away another 2 goal lead and i fear this will come back to haunt us . Tielemans looked finished for the season the way he wen off. I think Martinez was precautionary . I think we've handed Spurs hope . Just need to rely on Arsenal and Chelsea this week now .

Tielemans walked off on the Doug Ellis side, then walked all round the pitch. Hopefully not too bad.
His reaction when lying injured suggested otherwise, fingers crossed but knowing our luck…
He was punching the pitch as if he knew he was going to miss a few weeks now .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 28, 2024, 11:11:45 AM
Frustrating cos Chelsea are shit.

And letting that yapping Yorkshire Terrier Gallagher score again is infuriating. Overrated little shit-heel...

Still, a point is better than losing, so small mercies.

We have to look for stronger competition for both Diego Carlos & Olsen for next season though.

Neither are anywhere near good enough.

They're clearly not shit against us. 

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 11:12:03 AM
Watching back that first goal we conceded, it was just really poor play. Sometimes you have to realise you’re boxed in and take a different option.

Long ball to Watkins didn't work all night. Granted he was outnumbered a lot of the time but his hold up play was poor throughout. We played out of the Chelsea press comfortably enough in the first half but after half time we just couldn't. For that goal at least we were trying to do the right thing but Luiz simply can't be caught in possession like that.

They changed shape. First half they tried overloads with wing backs pushed up high, so we just flattened out to smother. Easy enough and they never looked like scoring. Second half they push Side Show Bob into midfield and constantly out numbered us. If Tielemans is on the pitch, we exploit the chasms of space they left, but I stead we lumped the wrong ball (never a channel ball) to Ollie, who was poor in holding it up.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 28, 2024, 11:14:23 AM
Frustrating cos Chelsea are shit.

And letting that yapping Yorkshire Terrier Gallagher score again is infuriating. Overrated little shit-heel...

Still, a point is better than losing, so small mercies.

We have to look for stronger competition for both Diego Carlos & Olsen for next season though.

Neither are anywhere near good enough.

They're clearly not shit against us.
When they click they look a decent team.
They did last night.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 11:16:17 AM
Isn't it three times this season we've lost a 2-0 lead? Not to mention going 3 up against Forest and them clawing it back to 3-2. It's an area to improve on I'd say!

When you distill it down though, you sort of realise its a moan that we're not going to win the league. So while I'd absolutely love for us to improve upon that for next season, to challenge for the title, it feels a bit off moaning about it, with our highest finish in 30 years, 70 wins 70+ goals etc.

Well, it might be a moan as to why we don't finish top 4, which could actually be damaging to our ambitions. Underperforming teams might be better than us next year, this might be our only real chance in these years to get into the CL, and I just don't want a repeat of the last time we came close but missed out.

Emery's a miracle worker, but that's kind of our problem - the performance of this team is a bit too close to miraculous for us to feel comfortable about the future.

With losing two of the big players for all season, (maybe three with JJ being unavailable for most of the season as well and affected by it when he was back), and then losing another big player just passed the the half way stage, we did need some miracles.

Get those players back (hopefully to same levels), finally improve right back depth and get in other players for depth elsewhere and we won't have to rely on them.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 11:16:47 AM
Frustrating cos Chelsea are shit.

And letting that yapping Yorkshire Terrier Gallagher score again is infuriating. Overrated little shit-heel...

Still, a point is better than losing, so small mercies.

We have to look for stronger competition for both Diego Carlos & Olsen for next season though.

Neither are anywhere near good enough.

They're clearly not shit against us.
When they click they look a decent team.
They did last night.

Most of the season they've put in a decent performance for one half of a game. Very occasionally they manage a full 90 minutes. Unfortunately for us they've managed it every time we've played them. Although we did our fair share to help them at times.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2024, 11:17:30 AM
Everyone gets injuries though. Obviously, ACL FC is a bit of a mental situation, but every team is always going to have players out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2024, 11:18:20 AM
When we did manage to get out of the press we looked dangerous, it was just getting out we struggled with .  We are not the finished article and Unai has said that .  We are top 5 in 18 months I am buzzing !

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 11:21:42 AM
When they click they look a decent team.
They did last night.

I've stated before, they are a big game team. Poch can get them playing well against "big" teams in one off matches but then poorly against others. Their problem is apart from Palmer, no one is consistently putting the ball in the net, and as we showed, the defence for them can be non-existent. I honestly think no injury changes last night and we were coming out of that match with all three points.

I think the Spurs match will be a high scoring draw or one team will win 3-2 / 4-3 as both teams play the same way, lots of goals, not as good in defence.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: LeeB on April 28, 2024, 11:23:02 AM
Well Spurs is a big game for them so fingers crossed.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2024, 11:25:19 AM
Regarding the last minute Chelsea ‘goal’. In the ground I thought it was a foul, I’ve seen the VAR slowed down replay and it looked a foul, however just catching up on MOTD and I feel we may have got away with one tbf. It was a foul but it was soft and Carlos didn’t cover himself in glory in those 2 mins
Dave, it was a nailed-on foul. Seeing it the first time, it was a foul; 20 times' later, it's still a foul.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 11:25:33 AM
Isn't it three times this season we've lost a 2-0 lead? Not to mention going 3 up against Forest and them clawing it back to 3-2. It's an area to improve on I'd say!

When you distill it down though, you sort of realise its a moan that we're not going to win the league. So while I'd absolutely love for us to improve upon that for next season, to challenge for the title, it feels a bit off moaning about it, with our highest finish in 30 years, 70 wins 70+ goals etc.

Well, it might be a moan as to why we don't finish top 4, which could actually be damaging to our ambitions. Underperforming teams might be better than us next year, this might be our only real chance in these years to get into the CL, and I just don't want a repeat of the last time we came close but missed out.

Emery's a miracle worker, but that's kind of our problem - the performance of this team is a bit too close to miraculous for us to feel comfortable about the future.

Odd take given the way we are has got us 4th, 20 wins, 21+ goal difference, 67 points with 3 games to go. If we don't get 4th then it's because Spurs have been exceptional.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Lsvilla on April 28, 2024, 11:27:45 AM
Regarding the last minute Chelsea ‘goal’. In the ground I thought it was a foul, I’ve seen the VAR slowed down replay and it looked a foul, however just catching up on MOTD and I feel we may have got away with one tbf. It was a foul but it was soft and Carlos didn’t cover himself in glory in those 2 mins
Dave, it was a nailed-on foul. Seeing it the first time, it was a foul; 20 times' later, it's still a foul.
I thought it was a foul both live in the ground and subsequently on TV. Where we potentially got away with it was that the VAR didn't stick with the on-field decision. I doubt they would have sent a supposedly'top' referee eg: Taylor / Oliver to the monitor.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2024, 11:29:07 AM
Isn't it three times this season we've lost a 2-0 lead? Not to mention going 3 up against Forest and them clawing it back to 3-2. It's an area to improve on I'd say!

There is always improvement to be made, obviously, but I think the point others are making is that our record at keeping leads when we get them, AND coming from behind to get draw/wins, is just about as good as anyone in the league. 

We are literally the BEST in the league at keeping a lead. We've taken the lead in 23 games, won 20 of them, drawn 2 (yesterday and Brentford), and lost only 1 (away at Man Utd). No one has dropped fewer than the 7 points we've dropped from winning positions.

The fact that in all three of those games where we dropped points we were 2-0 up makes our record FEEL worse, but honestly, our track record of holding leads is very, VERY good.

We're also the 5th best team at gaining points from a losing position.  We've gone behind 17 times, and still won 4 and drawn 5 of those games.

None of this points to a flaky team that crumbles when facing adversity, or that needs to learn how to handle a bit of pressure.  Sure, in one-off games we've had a few shockers, but so does everyone.  The fact is, we're a pretty solid outfit these days (and yes, it feels very weird to write something like that).
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: London Villan on April 28, 2024, 11:31:05 AM
Just points to missing experienced defensive midfielders…
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 11:32:11 AM
Everyone gets injuries though. Obviously, ACL FC is a bit of a mental situation, but every team is always going to have players out.

But it depends on the players who get them though. Mings so we lose out captain at the back, Kamara so we lose the midfield lynch pin, probably less on Emi2 although he would have thrived with the way we were playing. And JJ who was a big reason we finished strongly last season as well.

Give those injuries to Rodri, Stones (or whoever their best defender is), and Silva; or Saliba, Rice and Saka and how well would those teams do? Liverpool showed it a few seasons ago when Van Djik missed most of their season after they won it and they finished well back on City and Manure due him being missing.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Mister E on April 28, 2024, 11:32:17 AM
Isn't it three times this season we've lost a 2-0 lead? Not to mention going 3 up against Forest and them clawing it back to 3-2. It's an area to improve on I'd say!
When you distill it down though, you sort of realise its a moan that we're not going to win the league. So while I'd absolutely love for us to improve upon that for next season, to challenge for the title, it feels a bit off moaning about it, with our highest finish in 30 years, 70 wins 70+ goals etc.
Well, it might be a moan as to why we don't finish top 4, which could actually be damaging to our ambitions. Underperforming teams might be better than us next year, this might be our only real chance in these years to get into the CL, and I just don't want a repeat of the last time we came close but missed out.
Emery's a miracle worker, but that's kind of our problem - the performance of this team is a bit too close to miraculous for us to feel comfortable about the future.
Odd take given the way we are has got us 4th, 20 wins, 21+ goal difference, 67 points with 3 games to go. If we don't get 4th then it's because Spurs have been exceptional.
I'm with Monty on this: we have had a tendency to concede leads recently; and it's easy to see why - we look knackered.
Last night, I got why we set up in the first half to absorb the pressure and frustrate Chelsea. I expected a different approach second half, with a more dynamic / proactive game-plan. Continuing to sit back made a Chelsea revival almost inevitable.
With Dougie struggling, I think I'd have preferred to see Tim come on early for Diaby and give the midfield more ballast. We didn't and conceded.
I don't think Spurs are exceptional or will be given the games they have to play, but - like you say, Ads - I'll happily accept that they'll have been impressive if they do grind out some results in their last 6 games.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 11:33:36 AM
Stats above show absolutely everybody else in the league is worse than us at giving up leads.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Risso on April 28, 2024, 11:39:17 AM
The problem such as there is one this season has been the defence. We've conceded more goals than Everton and double Arsenal's goals against figure. Hopefully the return of Mings will help put that right, but we also need more strength in the middle of the park.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 11:39:29 AM
I'm with Monty on this: we have had a tendency to concede leads recently; and it's easy to see why - we look knackered.
Last night, I got why we set up in the first half to absorb the pressure and frustrate Chelsea. I expected a different approach second half, with a more dynamic / proactive game-plan. Continuing to sit back made a Chelsea revival almost inevitable.
With Dougie struggling, I think I'd have preferred to see Tim come on early for Diaby and give the midfield more ballast. We didn't and conceded.
I don't think Spurs are exceptional or will be given the games they have to play, but - like you say, Ads - I'll happily accept that they'll have been impressive if they do grind out some results in their last 6 games.

Without the injury to Tielemans and Emi, I think we would have seen the second half difference. However Diaby on early meant our planned tactics went out the window early. That and Poch's change to overload the midfield by moving Sideshow Mel inside for the press meant we lost the same way of play we had against Arsenal second half where Emi would be the extra man at the back Tielemans could do a pass punch through midfield.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithe on April 28, 2024, 11:42:08 AM
The problem such as there is one this season has been the defence. We've conceded more goals than Everton and double Arsenal's goals against figure. Hopefully the return of Mings will help put that right, but we also need more strength in the middle of the park.

I didn't know that, interesting. Has the goals conceded per game changed much, after Kamara's season ended?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Paul.S on April 28, 2024, 11:42:36 AM
That point last night guaranteed us 5th place at the very least. Until I read Emery’s after match comments last night it had totally slipped my mind.
We will never get the recognition this fantastic achievement deserves because we all know what the media is like and who they blatantly favour. Emery has worked miracles, the team look so tired but they keep on working and getting results.
It’s not down to any other club having bad seasons like the narative we hear, it’s down to the quality we have in the squad and the world class coach we have.
In a few weeks time we could have a European final to look forward to and CL football. Either way it’s been an unbelievable season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2024, 11:50:09 AM
I know I'm being a bit glum and mardy about this. Obviously, we're going to be among the best in the league for holding leads, because we're fourth in the table! It would just be quite a gut-punch to miss out on that CL position, and we'd absolutely look back on matches like yesterday and especially Brentford as the reason why.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 11:55:40 AM
If we do lose out then Spurs have been super human at the end of the season and we should be looking at whatever poor results we got in the next three matches as the reason why.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 28, 2024, 11:57:15 AM
Stats above show absolutely everybody else in the league is worse than us at giving up leads.
historically, going right back to the 1970s no one has given away more two-goal leads than Villa in Britain, Europe and possibly even the fucking universe (at least thats what it feels like)
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Lastfootstamper on April 28, 2024, 12:00:44 PM
If Chelsea play like that until the end of the season, they've a decent chance of pinching 6th.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2024, 12:04:02 PM
If we do lose out then Spurs have been super human at the end of the season and we should be looking at whatever poor results we got in the next three matches as the reason why.

Also true. I just have this horrible feeling that Spurs will get something today and against Liverpool, and that the Other Chelsea will show up on Thursday. But maybe that's just my Viller instinct.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Gareth on April 28, 2024, 12:04:57 PM
When we did manage to get out of the press we looked dangerous, it was just getting out we struggled with .  We are not the finished article and Unai has said that .  We are top 5 in 18 months I am buzzing !

That’s a sentiment I fully agree with…18 months amazing - be it 4th or 5th particularly if we do that mad thing of winning a trophy is phenomenal progress
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Meanwood Villa on April 28, 2024, 12:05:40 PM
The problem such as there is one this season has been the defence. We've conceded more goals than Everton and double Arsenal's goals against figure. Hopefully the return of Mings will help put that right, but we also need more strength in the middle of the park.

I didn't know that, interesting. Has the goals conceded per game changed much, after Kamara's season ended?

Using this website: https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/boubacar-kamara/leistungsdaten/spieler/394327

By my reckoning we conceded 24 in 20 games he played, and 28 in 15 games he hasn't. So difference between 1.2 per game and 1.87 per game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 28, 2024, 12:06:27 PM
I cant remember the last time we kicked towards the Holte second half and had so little of the ball. I'm no master tactician and i couldnt decide whether we'd set up to absorb pressure and catch them on the break or whether they just pushed us further and further back. Its just galling that we've made a generally sub-standard Chelsea look like absolute world beaters not once but twice at home and yet did them away. Duggie and SJM were awol.
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Post by: rob_bridge on April 28, 2024, 12:09:04 PM
Regarding the last minute Chelsea ‘goal’. In the ground I thought it was a foul, I’ve seen the VAR slowed down replay and it looked a foul, however just catching up on MOTD and I feel we may have got away with one tbf. It was a foul but it was soft and Carlos didn’t cover himself in glory in those 2 mins
Dave, it was a nailed-on foul. Seeing it the first time, it was a foul; 20 times' later, it's still a foul.

MOTD were so disingenuous to show from an angle where it doesn't look much.

It was a foul - he pushed out of the way. Had he used his shoulder more subtley he'd have probably got away with it
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 28, 2024, 12:10:34 PM
I think we played with one eye on Thursday:the low block,the possession. And it would have worked bar the key injuries.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 28, 2024, 12:18:19 PM
If Chelsea play like that until the end of the season, they've a decent chance of pinching 6th.
Thats the annoying thing - they wont - it seems their two best perfomances of the season have both been at Villa Park.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 12:27:13 PM
I know I'm being a bit glum and mardy about this. Obviously, we're going to be among the best in the league for holding leads, because we're fourth in the table! It would just be quite a gut-punch to miss out on that CL position, and we'd absolutely look back on matches like yesterday and especially Brentford as the reason why.

I get what you're saying but after the Christmas games I said the same thing about dropping points against Sheffield Utd. The draw with Nottingham Forest earlier in the season too. Giving up the lead against Man Utd and coming away with nothing. Flopping on the opening day. There's probably more.

It's tough to be objective and look at the season as a whole, especially while it's still ongoing, but if we miss out on 4th there's lots of moments we could point to as the one that cost us. If we lose out to Spurs, by a point, or on goal difference, it'll be losing to them that did it, really.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2024, 12:32:32 PM
If we do lose out then Spurs have been super human at the end of the season and we should be looking at whatever poor results we got in the next three matches as the reason why.

Also true. I just have this horrible feeling that Spurs will get something today and against Liverpool, and that the Other Chelsea will show up on Thursday. But maybe that's just my Viller instinct.
Yes and a horrific plague will perish most life on earth followed by all land  flooding and then getting burnt to cinders after being hit by a giant meteor. ;D
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2024, 12:34:10 PM
If Chelsea play like that until the end of the season, they've a decent chance of pinching 6th.
Thats the annoying thing - they wont - it seems their two best perfomances of the season have both been at Villa Park.
The place inspires opposition. We need to replace it with a Lego stadium.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Drummond on April 28, 2024, 12:37:17 PM
Chelsea have been one of the form teams.

We will bounce back, as always.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 12:38:42 PM
I know I'm being a bit glum and mardy about this. Obviously, we're going to be among the best in the league for holding leads, because we're fourth in the table! It would just be quite a gut-punch to miss out on that CL position, and we'd absolutely look back on matches like yesterday and especially Brentford as the reason why.

I get what you're saying but after the Christmas games I said the same thing about dropping points against Sheffield Utd. The draw with Nottingham Forest earlier in the season too. Giving up the lead against Man Utd and coming away with nothing. Flopping on the opening day. There's probably more.

It's tough to be objective and look at the season as a whole, especially while it's still ongoing, but if we miss out on 4th there's lots of moments we could point to as the one that cost us. If we lose out to Spurs, by a point, or on goal difference, it'll be losing to them that did it, really.

Which draw with Nottingham Forest was that?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 12:42:01 PM
If Chelsea play like that until the end of the season, they've a decent chance of pinching 6th.
Thats the annoying thing - they wont - it seems their two best perfomances of the season have both been at Villa Park.

They beat spurs 4-1 at White Shaart New Ground. Admittedly Spurs went down to 9 men but then they shouldn't be that dirty in their challenges. (Udogie should have gone for a two footed studs showing lunge but ref only gave a yellow as the decision was he missed the player, then got a second yellow) and Chelsea even scored a perfectly good goal ruled out for someone on the edge of the box being offside a fraction and blocking the keepers view against the 11.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 28, 2024, 12:44:30 PM
I know I'm being a bit glum and mardy about this. Obviously, we're going to be among the best in the league for holding leads, because we're fourth in the table! It would just be quite a gut-punch to miss out on that CL position, and we'd absolutely look back on matches like yesterday and especially Brentford as the reason why.

The flip side of that is if we finish a point ahead of Spurs then it will be looked at as a decent result under the circumstances.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2024, 12:53:34 PM
If Chelsea play like that until the end of the season, they've a decent chance of pinching 6th.
Thats the annoying thing - they wont - it seems their two best perfomances of the season have both been at Villa Park.

Yeah but like all these things it doesn’t happen in isolation. They played well but we made it so incredibly easy for them. We were passive and did nothing to stop them in the second half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: john e on April 28, 2024, 01:11:25 PM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down

last night the way we played in the first half I was nervous at 2-0 and never felt we had any control in the game even when ahead,

We were pretty dangerous going forward on the counter but that was not often enough because we just couldn’t get the ball off them for most of the match

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Monty on April 28, 2024, 01:17:50 PM
I know I'm being a bit glum and mardy about this. Obviously, we're going to be among the best in the league for holding leads, because we're fourth in the table! It would just be quite a gut-punch to miss out on that CL position, and we'd absolutely look back on matches like yesterday and especially Brentford as the reason why.

The flip side of that is if we finish a point ahead of Spurs then it will be looked at as a decent result under the circumstances.

Well, let's hope so.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Villan82 on April 28, 2024, 01:27:48 PM
Just said on another thread, I thought Chelsea last night were the toughest opponent we have faced at home in well over a year. They were motivated and excellent with the ball.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 28, 2024, 01:29:19 PM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down

last night the way we played in the first half I was nervous at 2-0 and never felt we had any control in the game even when ahead,

We were pretty dangerous going forward on the counter but that was not often enough because we just couldn’t get the ball off them for most of the match




Yes , getting the ball back without Kamara and off the pace Doug made it all the more difficult .  Then Ollie was struggling to hold it up as he was pretty isolated.  We got more desperate the longer the match went on
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 01:35:25 PM
I know I'm being a bit glum and mardy about this. Obviously, we're going to be among the best in the league for holding leads, because we're fourth in the table! It would just be quite a gut-punch to miss out on that CL position, and we'd absolutely look back on matches like yesterday and especially Brentford as the reason why.

I get what you're saying but after the Christmas games I said the same thing about dropping points against Sheffield Utd. The draw with Nottingham Forest earlier in the season too. Giving up the lead against Man Utd and coming away with nothing. Flopping on the opening day. There's probably more.

It's tough to be objective and look at the season as a whole, especially while it's still ongoing, but if we miss out on 4th there's lots of moments we could point to as the one that cost us. If we lose out to Spurs, by a point, or on goal difference, it'll be losing to them that did it, really.

Which draw with Nottingham Forest was that?

Obviously I meant the loss.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: nick harper on April 28, 2024, 01:43:13 PM
Just said on another thread, I thought Chelsea last night were the toughest opponent we have faced at home in well over a year. They were motivated and excellent with the ball.

I agree. I thought it was the best performance by an away side at VP this season. Better than the 3 games we’ve lost in the league.

They also had about 10 players out including Gusto who murdered us down our left in the Cup game. If they do ever get it together consistently, they will be some side. Fortunately, they do only seem to raise their games against the top sides and they’ve taken points off all of them.

Hopefully, they’ll stay at that level for the Spurs game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 28, 2024, 01:54:35 PM
Just said on another thread, I thought Chelsea last night were the toughest opponent we have faced at home in well over a year. They were motivated and excellent with the ball.

The thing is we were abysmal for mostbof the game and still scored twice

Imagine if we actually decided to play half decently i think we would have beaten them.

It was a replica of manure game at OT 2nd half. I cannot understand why it happened again. Yes we have injuries but so do chelsea you dint play that poorly.

You need keep the ball and pass the ball better. We were absolutely shocking at that 2nd half
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Skerra on April 28, 2024, 02:03:58 PM
The reason Arsenal found it so easy to score v Chelsea was their high press. After we lost to Chelsea in the cup, I thought Unai would change our tactics but, we played like an away side, virtually giving up the midfield which made it easy for them to over run us in the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2024, 02:22:41 PM
Wrong thread.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 28, 2024, 02:34:07 PM
The reason Arsenal found it so easy to score v Chelsea was their high press. After we lost to Chelsea in the cup, I thought Unai would change our tactics but, we played like an away side, virtually giving up the midfield which made it easy for them to over run us in the 2nd half.

Spot on. Thats twice against london sides at home the tactics were wrong. I think yesterday though the injuries to emi and youri didnt help at all
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 02:41:05 PM
Looking a better and better point
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: The Edge on April 28, 2024, 02:47:53 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 28, 2024, 02:49:47 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

If you watch the Sky highlights both commentators thought it was a foul straight away.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: villaman13 on April 28, 2024, 03:05:35 PM
Before I start this post. Let me say Emri is a fantastic manager. We would be nowhere near to where we are now.
But saying that.... I just wish he would change his play more. We have a fantastic defensive line. Best in the league. But you can't score if you defend for 90 minutes. My heart stops everytime we play out from the back. Every other team know how we play and how we panic if pressed around our box. You all say how many times have we lost a 2- 0 lead?? So many. All because we get a free kick or throw in we play back to Martinez and try and play out again. Getting caught in our box time and time again. Which lead to Chelseas first goal. Ollie Watkins is so close to the golden boot. But if he can't get the ball because he is feeding off long balls what chance have we got??
Emri stands on the sideline forcing them all to play back. Shouting if they play the long ball. Quite understandable. But not all the time. We need to play from the back  but please let's play out quicker. Stop letting these teams attacking us for 90 minutes
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 28, 2024, 03:14:16 PM
Emri Can?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: villaman13 on April 28, 2024, 03:18:21 PM
Sorry Emery 🤣🤣
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: enigma on April 28, 2024, 03:32:30 PM
That second half is possibly the worst we've played under Emery. We even made Jackson look good. That Chelsea side are fragile and can be got at if you go at them so to be so passive made no sense. For all the problems they've had, Poch has had Emery's number this season.

Wish we'd have held on for all three points so we could then concentrate on Europe but the way Spurs are imploding we may just be able to anyway.
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Post by: villaman13 on April 28, 2024, 03:38:18 PM
Well said
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Post by: supertom on April 28, 2024, 03:38:21 PM
Playing shite and getting a point. We almost pulled off a snatch and grab too. I'll take it. The legginess and being second to every loose ball felt like a delayed reaction from the Lille game. I expected us to be leggy last weekend but we weren't.

Am I the only one who kept willing the ball to go to Mudryk? He almost always made the wrong decision. Didn't seem able to beat a man.

Madueke was lively but again, better decision making and he might have slaughtered us yesterday. Gave Digne a torrid time and certainly way more threat than Mudryk. But for their erratic front 3, it could have been worse. If that were Newcastle for example, we'd have been annihilated in that second half.

Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Rigadon on April 28, 2024, 04:05:52 PM
Looking a better and better point

Sure is.  I think Chelsea will beat Spurs. 
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Post by: aj2k77 on April 28, 2024, 04:08:51 PM
Tottenham have Chelsea, Liverpool, Man City, Sheff and Burnley left. Even being super generous I can only see 10 points max. More realistically 7/8. One win should seal the deal and close the wide open door on maaaate bloke.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 04:19:27 PM
Would be great if it was over and done with by the weekend. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, but if would be nice if their last two games are irrelevant.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2024, 04:21:22 PM
Would be great if it was over and done with by the weekend. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, but if would be nice if their last two games are irrelevant.

If they lose both games this week and we beat Brighton then it is done.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: malckennedy on April 28, 2024, 04:21:48 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

I remember Shearer scoring for Newcastle against us at the Holte End after pushing Steve Staunton in the back just like that. Needless to say the goal stood. That’s why Shearer thought it was ok, he used to do precisely that and usually get away with it when he played.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: AV84 on April 28, 2024, 04:40:53 PM
Would be great if it was over and done with by the weekend. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, but if would be nice if their last two games are irrelevant.

If they lose both games this week and we beat Brighton then it is done.



I thought that might be the case. Hopefully we can get a win on Thursday too, and then after the Brighton game the priority is Conference. The line up for the final league games can be the U21s if needs be.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 04:43:31 PM
Before I start this post. Let me say Emri is a fantastic manager. We would be nowhere near to where we are now.
But saying that.... I just wish he would change his play more. We have a fantastic defensive line. Best in the league. But you can't score if you defend for 90 minutes. My heart stops everytime we play out from the back. Every other team know how we play and how we panic if pressed around our box. You all say how many times have we lost a 2- 0 lead?? So many. All because we get a free kick or throw in we play back to Martinez and try and play out again. Getting caught in our box time and time again. Which lead to Chelseas first goal. Ollie Watkins is so close to the golden boot. But if he can't get the ball because he is feeding off long balls what chance have we got??
Emri stands on the sideline forcing them all to play back. Shouting if they play the long ball. Quite understandable. But not all the time. We need to play from the back  but please let's play out quicker. Stop letting these teams attacking us for 90 minutes

Four if you include Luton when we then steadied ourself and went on to win. And we are not the only team where luton have pushed to draw equal and throw it away.

You can also point to the over 103 goals we have scored this season across all matches by playing it out the way Emery wants. And we definitely haven't panicked as much as you are making out. There has been several goals this season with over 10 passes between us getting possession and it ending up in the other teams net.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 04:47:14 PM
Would be great if it was over and done with by the weekend. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, but if would be nice if their last two games are irrelevant.

If they lose both games this week and we beat Brighton then it is done.

You sure? We beat Brighton and they still have to play Burnley, Man City, Sheffield and Newcastle which is a possible 12 points still. Not probable though I admit.

No, last match was a friendly fixture on the Sky Sports Fixtures list for some shitty reason.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Richard E on April 28, 2024, 04:47:56 PM
They haven’t got to play Newcastle.
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 28, 2024, 04:49:30 PM
Yes, just about to edit that Sky Sports have them playing a friendly against Newcastle on the 22nd in their fixtures which I thought would just be league fixtures.
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Post by: Smithy on April 28, 2024, 04:49:44 PM
Would be great if it was over and done with by the weekend. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, but if would be nice if their last two games are irrelevant.

If they lose both games this week and we beat Brighton then it is done.

You sure? We beat Brighton and they still have to play Burnley, Man City, Sheffield and Newcastle which is a possible 12 points still. Not probable though I admit.

There is no Newcastle game.  Newcastle hammered them 4-0 two weeks ago.  If they lose both games this week (chelsea and liverpool), the maximum number of points left available to them is 9.  If we beat Brighton we'll be 10 ahead.
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Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2024, 04:53:03 PM
They haven’t got to play Newcastle.
But let's pretend they have, we are Villa we don't like it easy😊
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Post by: Forge10 on April 28, 2024, 04:53:54 PM
Would be great if it was over and done with by the weekend. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, but if would be nice if their last two games are irrelevant.

If they lose both games this week and we beat Brighton then it is done.

You sure? We beat Brighton and they still have to play Burnley, Man City, Sheffield and Newcastle which is a possible 12 points still. Not probable though I admit.

No, last match was a friendly fixture on the Sky Sports Fixtures list for some shitty reason.

I thought the same but they haven’t removed the rearranged Newcastle game. I think it’s still down as TBD.
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Post by: martin o`who?? on April 28, 2024, 04:54:05 PM
Sorry Emery 🤣🤣
You spelt Genius wrong.
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Post by: Villan82 on April 28, 2024, 04:56:59 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

I remember Shearer scoring for Newcastle against us at the Holte End after pushing Steve Staunton in the back just like that. Needless to say the goal stood. That’s why Shearer thought it was ok, he used to do precisely that and usually get away with it when he played.

Was that the game where he also impeded Bosnich causing him to fall and Clark to put it in an empty net?
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Post by: LukeJames on April 28, 2024, 04:59:26 PM
Am I the only one who kept willing the ball to go to Mudryk? He almost always made the wrong decision. Didn't seem able to beat a man.
I was relieved every time he got the ball. Even Tonev would be shaking his head at those two shots in the first half. He's basically if Adama Traore was in N-Sync.
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Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2024, 05:13:03 PM
Edit.
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Post by: malckennedy on April 28, 2024, 05:13:18 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

I remember Shearer scoring for Newcastle against us at the Holte End after pushing Steve Staunton in the back just like that. Needless to say the goal stood. That’s why Shearer thought it was ok, he used to do precisely that and usually get away with it when he played.

Was that the game where he also impeded Bosnich causing him to fall and Clark to put it in an empty net?

Yes. He pulled Bosnich’s shirt to the point it looked as if it may rip then let go, causing him to fall over. Got away with that too.


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Post by: Goldenballs on April 28, 2024, 05:22:54 PM
Am I the only one who kept willing the ball to go to Mudryk? He almost always made the wrong decision. Didn't seem able to beat a man.
I was relieved every time he got the ball. Even Tonev would be shaking his head at those two shots in the first half. He's basically if Adama Traore was in N-Sync.

A 8 year contract wasn't it?
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Post by: KevinGage on April 28, 2024, 05:38:15 PM
Worth every penny.

I hope that's the deal that bankrupts them.
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Post by: astonvilla82 on April 28, 2024, 06:25:27 PM
Imagine being 3 nil up and you nearly screwed it up
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Post by: olaftab on April 28, 2024, 06:34:12 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

I remember Shearer scoring for Newcastle against us at the Holte End after pushing Steve Staunton in the back just like that. Needless to say the goal stood. That’s why Shearer thought it was ok, he used to do precisely that and usually get away with it when he played.
Shearer thought elbow in the face of Argentinian defender was ok, when Campbell scored, but obviously the ref didn't agree.
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Post by: Beard82 on April 28, 2024, 06:40:25 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

I remember Shearer scoring for Newcastle against us at the Holte End after pushing Steve Staunton in the back just like that. Needless to say the goal stood. That’s why Shearer thought it was ok, he used to do precisely that and usually get away with it when he played.
Shearer thought elbow in the face of Argentinian defender was ok, when Campbell scored, but obviously the ref didn't agree.
I can remember seeing him at Villa Park playing for Blackburn - and he elbowed a villa player of the ball so probably about wright.  Mike(?) Newell also told the guy next to me to shut up
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 06:44:38 PM
Shearer thought kicking a player in the face was ok as well. The game has changed since you played Al.
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Post by: spangley1812 on April 28, 2024, 06:53:39 PM
Would be great if it was over and done with by the weekend. Not sure if that's mathematically possible, but if would be nice if their last two games are irrelevant.

If they lose both games this week and we beat Brighton then it is done.

You sure? We beat Brighton and they still have to play Burnley, Man City, Sheffield and Newcastle which is a possible 12 points still. Not probable though I admit.

No, last match was a friendly fixture on the Sky Sports Fixtures list for some shitty reason.

I thought the same but they haven’t removed the rearranged Newcastle game. I think it’s still down as TBD.

That is a end of season friendly v Newcastle and they are playing in Australia
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Post by: trinityoap on April 28, 2024, 07:00:10 PM
Didn't Shearer kick Ugo in the eye at their place?
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 07:09:39 PM
I know I'm being a bit glum and mardy about this. Obviously, we're going to be among the best in the league for holding leads, because we're fourth in the table! It would just be quite a gut-punch to miss out on that CL position, and we'd absolutely look back on matches like yesterday and especially Brentford as the reason why.

I get what you're saying but after the Christmas games I said the same thing about dropping points against Sheffield Utd. The draw with Nottingham Forest earlier in the season too. Giving up the lead against Man Utd and coming away with nothing. Flopping on the opening day. There's probably more.

It's tough to be objective and look at the season as a whole, especially while it's still ongoing, but if we miss out on 4th there's lots of moments we could point to as the one that cost us. If we lose out to Spurs, by a point, or on goal difference, it'll be losing to them that did it, really.

Which draw with Nottingham Forest was that?

Obviously I meant the loss.

It’s not that obvious. We’re on a thread in which people keep saying things like ‘we constantly throw away two-goal leads’, so it’s not that hard to think that someone imagined we drew with Forest.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 07:25:59 PM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down


Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.
Wolves 2-0 up, won 2-0.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?


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Post by: VillaTim on April 28, 2024, 07:32:28 PM
Didn't Shearer kick Ugo in the eye at their place?
Elbow wasn't it, broke his eye socket . He did boot one defender (not ours) and almost decapitated them .
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Post by: JUAN PABLO on April 28, 2024, 07:43:17 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

I remember Shearer scoring for Newcastle against us at the Holte End after pushing Steve Staunton in the back just like that. Needless to say the goal stood. That’s why Shearer thought it was ok, he used to do precisely that and usually get away with it when he played.

I remember him putting a boot in Ugos head too.
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Post by: The Edge on April 28, 2024, 07:43:43 PM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down


Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?
That's a terrible record. Emery out.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Ian. on April 28, 2024, 07:50:17 PM
Yep, it’s not quite a true narrative of our season is it?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 07:56:18 PM
I could have attached it to dozens of posts.

I was fuming yesterday because of how we played (see first post on post-match thread), but to imagine it happens all time is madness. Most people on here have got a pretty intimate knowledge of our results, it beats me how they forget.
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 28, 2024, 07:58:40 PM
The babby looked at me like I was mad with the way I was fuming at half-time, with us 2-0 up. It reminded me of England in the Euro final v Italy. An inferior team on the ropes, allowed as much time as they wanted  to play their way into the game and build confidence.

Absolutely shit. Happy with a point the way it finished.

My first post-match post. Not happy, but didn’t make up in my own head that we constantly throw away two-goal leads.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Keeno on April 28, 2024, 09:38:06 PM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down


Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?


Careful, that's far too sensible a post
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Goldenballs on April 28, 2024, 10:10:02 PM
It's happened the last 3 times in a row though, so can see why it's pretty fresh in people's minds.

So going forward we either play out the 1-0, or score another 2 very quickly. Problem solved. Insight etc.
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Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 10:15:48 PM
It's happened the last 3 times in a row though, so can see why it's pretty fresh in people's minds.

So going forward we either play out the 1-0, or score another 2 very quickly. Problem solved. Insight etc.

They didn't happen in a row.
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Post by: Goldenballs on April 28, 2024, 10:20:00 PM
The last 3 times we went 2 up? I dunno, was only going from the list, my memory is far too shite.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 28, 2024, 10:25:49 PM
Man U was back in December. Percy just stuck the ones we didn't win at the end.
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Post by: Goldenballs on April 28, 2024, 10:40:52 PM
Oh yeah 😂

Not insight after all.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 28, 2024, 10:51:52 PM
Only gained 1 point on Spurs this weekend. Must do better, Unai.
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Post by: Skerra on April 28, 2024, 11:28:45 PM
Bollocks, we’ve got Brighton next in the league. They have only 2 points from their last 6 matches and have only scored 2 goals in those games. Need I say any more?
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Post by: Ads on April 28, 2024, 11:47:33 PM
Bollocks, we’ve got Brighton next in the league. They have only 2 points from their last 6 matches and have only scored 2 goals in those games. Need I say any more?

They're shite and we'll twat them.
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Post by: sid1964 on April 29, 2024, 06:08:29 AM
2nd half we were very poor, it was defence vs attack, we did well to get a point, their winger (don't know his name) was very good, and gave Digne a tough time.

I think we will need 4 points from the last 3 games to qualify for the Champions league, but we do have 3 tough games left to play.

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Post by: RamboandBruno on April 29, 2024, 06:27:39 AM
Bollocks, we’ve got Brighton next in the league. They have only 2 points from their last 6 matches and have only scored 2 goals in those games. Need I say any more?
People keep posting this stuff before virtually every game, I know half in jest, but its also like it hasnt sunk in even yet, this is a different Villa.
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Post by: Ian. on April 29, 2024, 07:17:40 AM
Bollocks, we’ve got Brighton next in the league. They have only 2 points from their last 6 matches and have only scored 2 goals in those games. Need I say any more?

I have got a good feeling about this one. We’ll cruise past them.
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Post by: john e on April 29, 2024, 07:55:17 AM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down


Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?




Think what you like Stato but when we were two nil up against Chelsea I was nervous, very nervous and that’s because of previous times,
I never said we lost them all, we just lose confidence and let the other team back in normally by handing them a goal, at two nill I’m hoping we go on and put the game to bed not give them hope
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Demitri_C on April 29, 2024, 08:10:19 AM
Bollocks, we’ve got Brighton next in the league. They have only 2 points from their last 6 matches and have only scored 2 goals in those games. Need I say any more?

Yes - villa the team that likes helping others 😉
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 29, 2024, 08:13:27 AM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down


Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?




Think what you like Stato but when we were two nil up against Chelsea I was nervous, very nervous and that’s because of previous times,
I never said we lost them all, we just lose confidence and let the other team back in normally by handing them a goal, at two nill I’m hoping we go on and put the game to bed not give them hope

I was nervous too, because we were playing terrible. But if you can read that list and not see that those games are outliers I can’t help you. Were you nervous in all the other games where we’ve been 2-0 up and gone onto to win by more?

All those teams we beat must be really crap to let us score more goals after we hand over control virtually every time.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Risso on April 29, 2024, 08:45:27 AM
There's been a noticeable shift in defensive stability for the worse since Christmas, mainly due to the injury list.  Until then, we'd conceded 22 goals in 18 games (1.22 goals per game). In the 17 games since then, we've conceded 30 (1.76 gpg). That period since Chrimbo includes all of the following where we did our best to chuck it away: Man U, Luton, Brentford and Chelsea, so it's understandable why they're fresher in people's memories. Overall we've been less consistent, have had less control, and aren't defending as well.

That we're still favourites to finish 4th is becase of the incredible work Emery is doing, and that we're still scoring at the same average rate of two goals per game.
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Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2024, 08:52:06 AM
It pretty much started with the Brentford away. We were missing Luiz because of his first accumulated card ban, then in that match Torres got injured and Kamara got sent off. We have not had a settled team since.
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Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 08:52:57 AM
Mings / Konsa back in the middle next season . Torres into DM ?
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Post by: Smithy on April 29, 2024, 09:12:00 AM
Mings / Konsa back in the middle next season . Torres into DM ?

Absolutely no way.  He is absolutely integral to the way we play out from the back, accepting the ball with his back to our goal and looking forward, inviting pressure that he can SEE in front of him.  Playing in DM to accept the ball facing your goal and with pressure you CAN'T see behind you is an entirely different skill and ability set.

Mings is a brilliant defender, but he simply can't do what Pau can do with the ball at his feet - very few defenders can.  Why take a brilliant defensive asset and turn it into a mediocre midfield one?

I can't see Mings replacing Pau at left CB, unless he shows he can get close to Pau's level when we have possession.  Which is a really big ask.  I could see Ty at left-back if we have a more offensive right-back playing.  Like a mirror of the set-up when Konsa is right-back and Digne/Moreno push on down the left.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: john e on April 29, 2024, 09:14:59 AM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down


Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?




Think what you like Stato but when we were two nil up against Chelsea I was nervous, very nervous and that’s because of previous times,
I never said we lost them all, we just lose confidence and let the other team back in normally by handing them a goal, at two nill I’m hoping we go on and put the game to bed not give them hope

I was nervous too, because we were playing terrible. But if you can read that list and not see that those games are outliers I can’t help you. Were you nervous in all the other games where we’ve been 2-0 up and gone onto to win by more?

All those teams we beat must be really crap to let us score more goals after we hand over control virtually every time.

The Brentford collapse was my lad’s fault
He walked over 3 drains on the way to the game and didn’t spit on them to cancel it out
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Post by: sid1964 on April 29, 2024, 09:18:12 AM
Mings cannot play left back - he lacks the pace to play that position, his crossing / passing ability would not be good enough if he got into the final attacking third of the pitch - he will play the odd cup game, and then he will leave us either next January or the following summer.

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Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 29, 2024, 09:45:15 AM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down


Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?




Think what you like Stato but when we were two nil up against Chelsea I was nervous, very nervous and that’s because of previous times,
I never said we lost them all, we just lose confidence and let the other team back in normally by handing them a goal, at two nill I’m hoping we go on and put the game to bed not give them hope

I was nervous too, because we were playing terrible. But if you can read that list and not see that those games are outliers I can’t help you. Were you nervous in all the other games where we’ve been 2-0 up and gone onto to win by more?

All those teams we beat must be really crap to let us score more goals after we hand over control virtually every time.

The Brentford collapse was my lad’s fault
He walked over 3 drains on the way to the game and didn’t spit on them to cancel it out

Haha, rookie error.

Oh, and I forgot Wolves from my list. As Digne would say ‘another one’.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 11:31:58 AM
Mings / Konsa back in the middle next season . Torres into DM ?

Absolutely no way.  He is absolutely integral to the way we play out from the back, accepting the ball with his back to our goal and looking forward, inviting pressure that he can SEE in front of him.  Playing in DM to accept the ball facing your goal and with pressure you CAN'T see behind you is an entirely different skill and ability set.

Mings is a brilliant defender, but he simply can't do what Pau can do with the ball at his feet - very few defenders can.  Why take a brilliant defensive asset and turn it into a mediocre midfield one?

I can't see Mings replacing Pau at left CB, unless he shows he can get close to Pau's level when we have possession.  Which is a really big ask.  I could see Ty at left-back if we have a more offensive right-back playing.  Like a mirror of the set-up when Konsa is right-back and Digne/Moreno push on down the left.
Well our goals against column needs some work one way or another . Since December we are defending like a lower mid table club .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Villa Lew on April 29, 2024, 11:47:49 AM
Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2024, 11:51:43 AM
Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

Oh. as he usually talks shite I'm thinking I was wrong and they should have played on and allowed the goal...
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Post by: Ads on April 29, 2024, 11:52:18 AM
Wouldn't surprise me if Carlos went with Mings coming back. We'd need a top centre half to come in, as we'll need to hit Europe full tilt as well as push for the title next year.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: WassallVillain on April 29, 2024, 11:55:56 AM
Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!
I think if the Chelsea man uses his body to ease Carlos away and win first ball it would be fine. What he actually did was a full shoulder led upper body barge in the back to shift Carlos and win second ball. A clear foul and surprising the ref missed it first time around.
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Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 29, 2024, 11:57:15 AM
Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.
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Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2024, 11:59:02 AM
we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down
Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.
Can we stop imaging this shit now please?
No that won't do, 16 wins and  2 draws it's totally pathetic. ;D
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: martin o`who?? on April 29, 2024, 12:00:02 PM
Wouldn't surprise me if Carlos went with Mings coming back. We'd need a top centre half to come in, as we'll need to hit Europe full tilt as well as push for the title next year.
given his age and that he's just lost an entire year of his career i honestly fear we may have seen the last of Tyrone as a top-level CB. I really hope i"m wrong but his game was very much based on dynamic mobility and i think he may have now inevitably lost that vital half a yard.
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Post by: Ads on April 29, 2024, 12:01:54 PM
Always a possibility. No room for sentiment. I definitely think the defence will be better with a Kamara or Kamara clone in front of them.
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Post by: nick harper on April 29, 2024, 12:16:06 PM
Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.

Peter Walton in The Times said it was not enough for VAR to get involved so there you are. I guess the key point is the ref didn’t see it live otherwise he would have told VAR.
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Post by: simboy on April 29, 2024, 12:16:35 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Smithy on April 29, 2024, 12:18:48 PM
Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.

Peter Walton in The Times said it was not enough for VAR to get involved so there you are. I guess the key point is the ref didn’t see it live otherwise he would have told VAR.

I think the ref saw it, I think he just saw "defender beaten to the ball by the attacker" - then VAR says "attacker actually won the ball because of a push" and sent him to the screen.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: simboy on April 29, 2024, 12:20:14 PM
It amused me, the Poch outburst against VAR and how it ruined English Football. His reputation was enhanced so much by the London media on the back of a VAR disallowed goal in the last minute of a European quarter final against Man ci£eh.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Mortimer's Bear on April 29, 2024, 12:21:21 PM
Played poorly but didn't lose, increased the lead over Tottenham by a point and secured European football for next season.

Having just scanned through a few pages here, I suddenly remember why I tend to avoid the post match threads...
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2024, 12:22:31 PM
Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.

Peter Walton in The Times said it was not enough for VAR to get involved so there you are. I guess the key point is the ref didn’t see it live otherwise he would have told VAR.

It was an apparent foul in the build-up to a goal so VAR was always going to review it so I'm not sure what he is on about. If he meant it wasn't enough of a challenge to say a clear and obvious error, then I suspect it depended on what the on field ref stated he saw. And of course the ref didn't have to change his mind at the review if he still thought it wasn't.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: brontebilly on April 29, 2024, 12:25:53 PM
Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

If you watch the Sky highlights both commentators thought it was a foul straight away.

Even Hoddle said it was a blatant foul on TV after the game.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2024, 01:40:51 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: The Edge on April 29, 2024, 02:05:37 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 29, 2024, 02:08:41 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.
Is his medical diagnosis now public?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2024, 02:13:51 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.

I don't think that's the case, Mings seems absolutely determined to come back. However if it doesn't turn out to be the case then we need to repalce him with a like-for-like player who can give us that aerial presence we've lacked all season.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: The Edge on April 29, 2024, 02:35:41 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.
Is his medical diagnosis now public?
Well of course it isn't. But photos of the scarring around his knee joint and of the muscle wastage are. So that's just my take on what I've seen and read.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2024, 02:37:13 PM
He doesn't act like he's done, and it's nice to see Bjorn Engels giving his support to Ty.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6OgbgxMtRn
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2024, 02:39:12 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.
Is his medical diagnosis now public?
Well of course it isn't. But photos of the scarring around his knee joint and of the muscle wastage are. So that's just my take on what I've seen and read.

The scarring is inevitable but won't change his fitness.

The muscle wastage is an issue, but given the intense physio he's getting I've no doubt he'll be back.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 02:43:13 PM
Muscle wastage is natural. That will build back up as part of the rehab / recovery .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on April 29, 2024, 02:45:11 PM
He's said he had muscle wastage but his leg is now back to the same size it was before the injury.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 02:59:37 PM
I think we can put the retirement rumours to bed .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: The Edge on April 29, 2024, 03:06:38 PM
I think we can put the retirement rumours to bed .
I hope you're right.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2024, 03:19:42 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 03:24:02 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.
McPhee is on thin ice for me . I know we have lots of fancy routines with our set pieces but have many actually come off this season ?
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2024, 03:31:50 PM
Just as well you're not in charge then.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 29, 2024, 05:25:54 PM
I reckon it McPhee that makes the crucial decisions, keep I eye on him,if we lose Thursday I can see Emery getting the sack and him taking over,dirty ray
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2024, 05:48:23 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.

I think it's a personnel issue more than tactical. We just don't have that dominant aerial player who acts as almost a magnet for balls into the box. I really hoped Carlos could be that player this year but he's actually pretty poor in the air.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 06:13:51 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.

I think it's a personnel issue more than tactical. We just don't have that dominant aerial player who acts as almost a magnet for balls into the box. I really hoped Carlos could be that player this year but he's actually pretty poor in the air.
Carlos is land locked and struggles to get any elevation on his jumps. Hause was excellent aerially .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2024, 06:55:23 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.
McPhee is on thin ice for me . I know we have lots of fancy routines with our set pieces but have many actually come off this season ?

According to stats, we have scored 14 and let in 14. We are joint 6th for scoring with Liverpool and Luton tying on 15, City on 16, Everton on 18 and Arse on 22.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 07:15:59 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.
McPhee is on thin ice for me . I know we have lots of fancy routines with our set pieces but have many actually come off this season ?

According to stats, we have scored 14 and let in 14. We are joint 6th for scoring with Liverpool and Luton tying on 15, City on 16, Everton on 18 and Arse on 22.
Ok so he's at about a C+ Grade as things stand given the goals conceded figs .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: RamboandBruno on April 29, 2024, 07:23:20 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.
McPhee is on thin ice for me . I know we have lots of fancy routines with our set pieces but have many actually come off this season ?

According to stats, we have scored 14 and let in 14. We are joint 6th for scoring with Liverpool and Luton tying on 15, City on 16, Everton on 18 and Arse on 22.
Ok so he's at about a C+ Grade as things stand given the goals conceded figs .
You forget McPhee is the great survivor, he’ll outlive us all and in fact may be the last bastion of mankind post apocalypse
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Skerra on April 29, 2024, 07:52:17 PM
We really need Delilah to chop his hair off then he’ll lose whatever power that keeps him in a job.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: john e on April 29, 2024, 08:52:55 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.

I think it's a personnel issue more than tactical. We just don't have that dominant aerial player who acts as almost a magnet for balls into the box. I really hoped Carlos could be that player this year but he's actually pretty poor in the air.
Carlos is land locked and struggles to get any elevation on his jumps. Hause was excellent aerially .

But like a cat playing with a balloon with his feet
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 08:55:58 PM
I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.
I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.
Yes. I saw a stat the other day that showed we are just above  likes of bottom 3 and Palace and Forest in terms of most goals conceded from set pieces. McPhee needs to sort this.

I think it's a personnel issue more than tactical. We just don't have that dominant aerial player who acts as almost a magnet for balls into the box. I really hoped Carlos could be that player this year but he's actually pretty poor in the air.
Carlos is land locked and struggles to get any elevation on his jumps. Hause was excellent aerially .

But like a cat playing with a balloon with his feet
harsh on cats  .
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: olaftab on April 29, 2024, 09:18:00 PM
According to stats, we have scored 14 and let in 14. We are joint 6th for scoring with Liverpool and Luton tying on 15, City on 16, Everton on 18 and Arse on 22.
I think we are also 6th for conceding most so it’s quite amazing that we did not concede a single set piece goal in 4 games against the top exploiters.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 29, 2024, 09:45:04 PM
I had to stay up at my sister’s on Saturday night as it wasn’t possible to get a train back to London. She and my mom love the Villa so we had a chat when I got to theirs about 11.30.

My mom called earlier to ask me to confirm the score on Saturday. They had turned their feed off after the Chelsea last minute goal and thought we’d lost 3-2 and mom was still convinced we had lost - they don’t watch MOTD when we lose. She was chuffed to hear we’d actually drawn😊
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on April 29, 2024, 09:48:01 PM
I had to stay up at my sister’s on Saturday night as it wasn’t possible to get a train back to London. She and my mom love the Villa so we had a chat when I got to theirs about 11.30.

My mom called earlier to ask me to confirm the score on Saturday. They had turned their feed off after the Chelsea last minute goal and thought we’d lost 3-2 and mom was still convinced we had lost - they don’t watch MOTD when we lose. She was chuffed to hear we’d actually drawn😊


Oooh that is like a win from there 💪
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Pat McMahon on April 29, 2024, 11:35:05 PM
I had to stay up at my sister’s on Saturday night as it wasn’t possible to get a train back to London. She and my mom love the Villa so we had a chat when I got to theirs about 11.30.

My mom called earlier to ask me to confirm the score on Saturday. They had turned their feed off after the Chelsea last minute goal and thought we’d lost 3-2 and mom was still convinced we had lost - they don’t watch MOTD when we lose. She was chuffed to hear we’d actually drawn😊


Oooh that is like a win from there 💪

Definitely a point gained and not two dropped!
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 30, 2024, 12:05:56 AM
I had to stay up at my sister’s on Saturday night as it wasn’t possible to get a train back to London. She and my mom love the Villa so we had a chat when I got to theirs about 11.30.

My mom called earlier to ask me to confirm the score on Saturday. They had turned their feed off after the Chelsea last minute goal and thought we’d lost 3-2 and mom was still convinced we had lost - they don’t watch MOTD when we lose. She was chuffed to hear we’d actually drawn😊


Oooh that is like a win from there 💪

Definitely a point gained and not two dropped!

My son stormed off to his room when the last-minute ‘goal’ went in - I think he didn’t want me to see him cry.

*He’s 35.

*Not that one really, my 12 year-old.
Title: Re: Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.
Post by: London Villan on April 30, 2024, 08:26:27 AM
I felt the same!
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