Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.

[nick harper]

Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.

Peter Walton in The Times said it was not enough for VAR to get involved so there you are. I guess the key point is the ref didn’t see it live otherwise he would have told VAR.

[simboy]

I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

[Smithy]

Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.

Peter Walton in The Times said it was not enough for VAR to get involved so there you are. I guess the key point is the ref didn’t see it live otherwise he would have told VAR.

I think the ref saw it, I think he just saw "defender beaten to the ball by the attacker" - then VAR says "attacker actually won the ball because of a push" and sent him to the screen.

[simboy]

It amused me, the Poch outburst against VAR and how it ruined English Football. His reputation was enhanced so much by the London media on the back of a VAR disallowed goal in the last minute of a European quarter final against Man ci£eh.

[Mortimer's Bear]

Played poorly but didn't lose, increased the lead over Tottenham by a point and secured European football for next season.

Having just scanned through a few pages here, I suddenly remember why I tend to avoid the post match threads...

[Somniloquism]

Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.

Peter Walton in The Times said it was not enough for VAR to get involved so there you are. I guess the key point is the ref didn’t see it live otherwise he would have told VAR.

It was an apparent foul in the build-up to a goal so VAR was always going to review it so I'm not sure what he is on about. If he meant it wasn't enough of a challenge to say a clear and obvious error, then I suspect it depended on what the on field ref stated he saw. And of course the ref didn't have to change his mind at the review if he still thought it wasn't.

[brontebilly]

Watched a re-run of motd earlier. Wtf were Shearer and Murphy banging on about re: the disallowed goal? It was a clear push in the back of Carlos and I'm surprised var even had to get involved at all. I guess I do watch our games through my villa glasses but it just seemed blatantly obvious to me. For some reason the motd panel went through verbal gymnastics trying to make a case for Chelsea.

If you watch the Sky highlights both commentators thought it was a foul straight away.

Even Hoddle said it was a blatant foul on TV after the game.

[paul_e]

I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.

[The Edge]

I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.

As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.

[ChicagoLion]

I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.

As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.

Is his medical diagnosis now public?

[paul_e]

I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.

As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.

I don't think that's the case, Mings seems absolutely determined to come back. However if it doesn't turn out to be the case then we need to repalce him with a like-for-like player who can give us that aerial presence we've lacked all season.

[The Edge]

I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.

As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.

Is his medical diagnosis now public?

Well of course it isn't. But photos of the scarring around his knee joint and of the muscle wastage are. So that's just my take on what I've seen and read.

[PeterWithesShin]

He doesn't act like he's done, and it's nice to see Bjorn Engels giving his support to Ty.

https://www.instagram.com/p/C6OgbgxMtRn

[Drummond]

I think the defence needs a "review". Our lack of first contact at set pieces has been woeful this year, we have conceded 50+ goals in the league. That is something that Mings offered. Because the injury was late in the summer window I think that's an area we never really addressed moving along.

I agree with this, losing Mings has taken away the 'roaming ball winner' we had for set pieces last season which was a job he did superbly.

As someone mentioned earlier I fear we might just have seen the last of Mings. The cynic in me thinks that the club would not want to release such bad news at such a crucial time.Such a shame and I really hope I'm wrong.

Is his medical diagnosis now public?

Well of course it isn't. But photos of the scarring around his knee joint and of the muscle wastage are. So that's just my take on what I've seen and read.

The scarring is inevitable but won't change his fitness.

The muscle wastage is an issue, but given the intense physio he's getting I've no doubt he'll be back.

[VillaTim]

Muscle wastage is natural. That will build back up as part of the rehab / recovery .