Aston Villa 2 Chelsea 2 Post Match Heart Massage.

[Somniloquism]

It pretty much started with the Brentford away. We were missing Luiz because of his first accumulated card ban, then in that match Torres got injured and Kamara got sent off. We have not had a settled team since.

[VillaTim]

Mings / Konsa back in the middle next season . Torres into DM ?

[Smithy]

Mings / Konsa back in the middle next season . Torres into DM ?

Absolutely no way.  He is absolutely integral to the way we play out from the back, accepting the ball with his back to our goal and looking forward, inviting pressure that he can SEE in front of him.  Playing in DM to accept the ball facing your goal and with pressure you CAN'T see behind you is an entirely different skill and ability set.

Mings is a brilliant defender, but he simply can't do what Pau can do with the ball at his feet - very few defenders can.  Why take a brilliant defensive asset and turn it into a mediocre midfield one?

I can't see Mings replacing Pau at left CB, unless he shows he can get close to Pau's level when we have possession.  Which is a really big ask.  I could see Ty at left-back if we have a more offensive right-back playing.  Like a mirror of the set-up when Konsa is right-back and Digne/Moreno push on down the left.

[john e]

we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down

Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?

Think what you like Stato but when we were two nil up against Chelsea I was nervous, very nervous and that’s because of previous times,
I never said we lost them all, we just lose confidence and let the other team back in normally by handing them a goal, at two nill I’m hoping we go on and put the game to bed not give them hope

I was nervous too, because we were playing terrible. But if you can read that list and not see that those games are outliers I can’t help you. Were you nervous in all the other games where we’ve been 2-0 up and gone onto to win by more?

All those teams we beat must be really crap to let us score more goals after we hand over control virtually every time.

The Brentford collapse was my lad’s fault
He walked over 3 drains on the way to the game and didn’t spit on them to cancel it out

[sid1964]

Mings cannot play left back - he lacks the pace to play that position, his crossing / passing ability would not be good enough if he got into the final attacking third of the pitch - he will play the odd cup game, and then he will leave us either next January or the following summer.

[Percy McCarthy]

we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down

Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.

Can we stop imaging this shit now please?

Think what you like Stato but when we were two nil up against Chelsea I was nervous, very nervous and that’s because of previous times,
I never said we lost them all, we just lose confidence and let the other team back in normally by handing them a goal, at two nill I’m hoping we go on and put the game to bed not give them hope

I was nervous too, because we were playing terrible. But if you can read that list and not see that those games are outliers I can’t help you. Were you nervous in all the other games where we’ve been 2-0 up and gone onto to win by more?

All those teams we beat must be really crap to let us score more goals after we hand over control virtually every time.

The Brentford collapse was my lad’s fault
He walked over 3 drains on the way to the game and didn’t spit on them to cancel it out

Haha, rookie error.

Oh, and I forgot Wolves from my list. As Digne would say ‘another one’.

[VillaTim]

Mings / Konsa back in the middle next season . Torres into DM ?

Absolutely no way.  He is absolutely integral to the way we play out from the back, accepting the ball with his back to our goal and looking forward, inviting pressure that he can SEE in front of him.  Playing in DM to accept the ball facing your goal and with pressure you CAN'T see behind you is an entirely different skill and ability set.

Mings is a brilliant defender, but he simply can't do what Pau can do with the ball at his feet - very few defenders can.  Why take a brilliant defensive asset and turn it into a mediocre midfield one?

I can't see Mings replacing Pau at left CB, unless he shows he can get close to Pau's level when we have possession.  Which is a really big ask.  I could see Ty at left-back if we have a more offensive right-back playing.  Like a mirror of the set-up when Konsa is right-back and Digne/Moreno push on down the left.

Well our goals against column needs some work one way or another . Since December we are defending like a lower mid table club .

[Villa Lew]

Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

[Drummond]

Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

Oh. as he usually talks shite I'm thinking I was wrong and they should have played on and allowed the goal...

[Ads]

Wouldn't surprise me if Carlos went with Mings coming back. We'd need a top centre half to come in, as we'll need to hit Europe full tilt as well as push for the title next year.

[WassallVillain]

Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

I think if the Chelsea man uses his body to ease Carlos away and win first ball it would be fine. What he actually did was a full shoulder led upper body barge in the back to shift Carlos and win second ball. A clear foul and surprising the ref missed it first time around.

[Brazilian Villain]

Dermot 'He who is always right' Gallagher has just said on Ref Watch it was right to disallow the goal, so that puts an end to any arguments!

It was a clear push. The only thing controversial about it was that the ref didn't pick it up without VAR's intervention.

[olaftab]

we shit the bed when we’re 2-0 up
we should then be in control of the game but virtually every time we hand control over to the team who are 2-0 down

Everton: 2-0 up, won 4-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 5-0
Hibs 2-0 up, won 3-0
Brighton 2-0 up, won 6-1
West Ham 2-0 up, won 4-1
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-1
AZ 2-0 up, won 4-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 3-1
Fulham 2-0 up, won 2-1
Burnley 2-0 up, won 3-1
Forest 2-0 up, won 4-2
Luton 2-0 up, won 3-2
Sheff Utd 2-0 up, won 5-0
Arsenal 2-0 up, won 2-0
Ajax 2-0 up, won 4-0.
Lille 2-0 up, won 2-1
Man Utd, 2-0 up, lost 3-2
Brentford 2-0 up, drew 3-3
Chelsea 2-0 up, drew 2-2.
Can we stop imaging this shit now please?

No that won't do, 16 wins and  2 draws it's totally pathetic.

[martin o`who??]

Wouldn't surprise me if Carlos went with Mings coming back. We'd need a top centre half to come in, as we'll need to hit Europe full tilt as well as push for the title next year.

given his age and that he's just lost an entire year of his career i honestly fear we may have seen the last of Tyrone as a top-level CB. I really hope i"m wrong but his game was very much based on dynamic mobility and i think he may have now inevitably lost that vital half a yard.

[Ads]

Always a possibility. No room for sentiment. I definitely think the defence will be better with a Kamara or Kamara clone in front of them.