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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: PeterWithesShin on November 26, 2023, 04:05:28 PM
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4th in the league. Not too shabby.
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Love that.
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Ha, love football. Unai forever.
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“Test will be against the sky 6”. Well fuck you sky 6! Onwards we climb!
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Up to fourth and daylight between us and Spurs. Happy days!
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Unai wins again.
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Bit of a smash-and-grab, but FOURTH PLACE! Well done, boys!!!
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Never doubt Unai Emery.
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Good win
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Never in doubt.
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Much much better second half after the changes
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
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Absolute smash and grab, given how poor we were in the first half. Substitutions made a big difference and thought we were unlucky not to get an extra couple
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I'll cradle Unai in my arms and stroke his beautiful face and hair.
Massive result. That shows we are a top side now. Missed a chance against Wolves/Forest and today we took it.
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Awful first half. Could have been a few behind.
But good subs. Better second half. Unai does it again !!
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What a way to end a perfect week. I didn't see that after 45 minutes. Brilliant result and much better 2nd half performance.
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No matter how badly things are going, how much we are under the kosh, with this team and under this management you can always believe we're going to turn it around. Fantastic result, what a year 2023 has been.
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Blimey, they don’t make it easy! That’ll do though!
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Phew! We like to flex and win on "hard mode" sometimes
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The defending in the first 30 minutes gave me the shits.
But.
A win. Awesome
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Tottenham. The only club in the history of football to suffer injuries.
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Spurs didn’t get what they deserved apparently.
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living on the edge, but fuck it. I'm in love.
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I really thought we were gonna get a shoeing watching the first 44minutes. Fantastic result. Up the fucking Villa. Now for a Sunday roast and a few glasses of wine.
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Massive win with the games we have coming up, especially after such a poor first-half. 8)
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Much better second-half, the high line isn't good for my ticker though. Thankfully VAR was decent today. The ref not so much.
Onwards and upwards...within touching distance of first :)
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We were much too loose and slow in the first half and against a less profligate side we would have been buried. We equalised and got away with it. Second half much better. Played a much tighter away game
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This game could have been over after 20 minutes.. Fantastic turn over.
FABULOUS..
I love Villa..
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Set up was wrong to begin with, but geniuses know how to sort out problems and luckily we've got one.
Fourth! In December!
This feels like a parallel universe.
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First half we were absolutely piss poor
Second half I thought we Bossed it
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Morale boosting win and pisses all over the Tiny Totts parade.
What's not to like.
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I'll cradle Unai in my arms and stroke his beautiful face and hair.
Back of the queue
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That first half was a serious test, they looked like they could score when they wanted and maybe on another day they run away with that. Second half was better, our midfield were more present and ultimately we've done incredibly to come from behind and win at a serious team. What a win that is.
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Seems to be about a top four these days. A tough win away at a an able Spurs. Tielemans brings quality going forward and the second goal much involved and Watkins even got his footing together there. We didnt look ready first half as we often do in then beginning of games then came to our best selves late in first and more often in second half.
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Tremendous performance. After a terrible first half we were much better in the second. A couple of great saves from Emi and a fantastic finish from Ollie.
Spurs huffed and puffed but never found the necessary quality.
Up to fourth. Villa march on but spuds fall over. Great stuff.
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Super win. Emery making the necessary changes at half time.
Great to see Ramsey back. Timely with forthcoming suspensions.
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This is a statement to the rest of the league. Aston Villa are the real deal.
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I don't think it was a smash and grab. We didn't play well at times but scored twice, hit the post, had a very close offside, missed 2 or 3 good chances. 15 shots to their 18.
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Showed real grit and dug in there, so many blocks and interceptions in our own box. Proud of the effort, the referee was hopeless but did eventually remember Villa players can be fouled too.
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Brilliant result, and really incredible when you consider the performance for the first 44 minutes, which was as abject. Top managers can change things, and the half-time changes worked really well. Bailey was a great outlet ball, and Tielemans adding an extra body in the middle helped nullify the advantage they had in the first half, plus the no-look assist was pretty impressive too. They had enough chances to win the game, definitely, and another day we'd lose that 4-3, but honestly, I couldn't care less. a MASSIVE result in terms of our European credentials. Take something off Man City and Arsenal and we could be looking at a very special season indeed...
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As soon as we equalised there was only one way that game was going. Onwards and upwards.
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Rode our luck in the first half but Spurs weren't clinical. The timing of Pau's goal totally turned the game and we were always going to come out with more intensity in the second half after an undoubted Unai bollocking. Very good second half and in the end we got what we probably deserved. Bailey once again made a difference (Tielemens too) I felt and was a bit more direct and threatening, pushing their full back on the back foot.
It was looking like it might be one of those days but as per usual, Unai gets a response. Once we went 2-1 up I never felt worried we might let it slip. I fancied us to get a third, more than Spurs to equalise but a couple of good saves from Emi helped. I have to say, Big Emi was superb and I'm glad he got passed fit. I don't think we win a game like this without him, to be honest.
We absolutely can't be that slack against a team like Man City like we were first half today, because we'll find ourselves 3-4 down. That's the difference. It helped today that Son was really not at the races (especially as pre-Unai he loved playing us).
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
You could sense the disappointment in the commentator's voice
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Apparently Tottenham had some injuries, not sure why nobody mentioned it.
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
You could sense the disappointment in the commentator's voice
Doubt Alan Smith who is a Villa fan was that disappointed
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Faackin' get yer larfin' gear raaaahnd that!
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Huge character to come back from a poor first half
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I don't think it was a smash and grab. We didn't play well at times but scored twice, hit the post, had a very close offside, missed 2 or 3 good chances. 15 shots to their 18.
Same. They basically had a 20 minute spell where they should have been more clinical but still looked quite suspect at the back. They'd had a warning from Pau early on, didn't learn their lesson and he scored as perfectly timed an equaliser as we'll have all season. Second half we were more dangerous than them I felt.
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Absolute quality from Watkins to win it. Our inability to retain possession after going 2-1 up was infuriating. With the right pass it would have been 2 on 2 on every counter. A long way from our best but subs/tactical switch at half time changed everything for the better. Lots of players on both sides running on empty late on. Really don't want to see Carlos/Torres as a CB partnership too often again. Carlos wants to drop off at every opportunity. Thought Kamara was very good in the second half, especially given he was on a yellow.
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
You could sense the disappointment in the commentator's voice
Doubt Alan Smith who is a Villa fan was that disappointed
He was the worst of the lot. Anti Villa in very sentence he spouted
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If you had said to me we would be one point behind Citeh with one third of the season gone, and we’d be the second highest goal scorers, I would have said keep talking the wacky backy!
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Win at Bournemouth and two at the fortress we are top.
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We were shit first half, & Spurs took advantage of that by creating a few chances, albeit, a lot of them were offside.
Second half we were much better & took our chance.
Apparently Spurs had a few injuries too... I wish that Sky would have mentioned it...
But fuck Sky & fuck Spurs.
Up to 4th, a bit of breathing space between 5th spot & we now have more wins than Liverpool & the same amount as Arsenal & ManC...
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Lovely stuff - i thought we were done for at 45 mins, but brilliant turnaround and proved me wrong. Well done lads.
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Mad game, think we've got away with one there. Fair play to Unai for making the changes at half time. That second half was more what we were all expecting I think.
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Did Villa just play poorly and win away at a direct rival? I think we did, lads.
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National tragedy as Spurs lose again. The humanity.
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
You could sense the disappointment in the commentator's voice
Doubt Alan Smith who is a Villa fan was that disappointed
He was the worst of the lot. Anti Villa in very sentence he spouted
Who gives a fuck? We won. Fuck Sky. Fuck Spurs. I've had a drink ha.
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Does that mean Spurs are not going to win the league this year!
UTV
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Even when we are shite, we are good.
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Unia's reaction after the equaliser was something else. This clearly means a lot to him.
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Job done.
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Excellent.
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Terrible first half during which we were lucky not to be 3 or 4 down to be honest. Much better second half. We go again.
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
You could sense the disappointment in the commentator's voice
Doubt Alan Smith who is a Villa fan was that disappointed
He was the worst of the lot. Anti Villa in very sentence he spouted
He really wasn't. I think sometimes football fans just like to feel as though everyone is against their team
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I actually thought Alan Smith was quite measured and fair on the commentary. He complimented us when we did well and highlighted when we weren't.
After all, we were not really in it for well over half an hour. The experiment of playing Cash in midfield didn't work and Diaby was ineffective, so the subs were good if obvious ones.
So much better in the second half when we didn't get caught on the ball so often.
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Would love to know what Unai said to Ange afterwards...
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Does that mean Spurs are not going to win the league this year!
UTV
I don't know if it's been mentioned but they've had a few injuries.
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When did we last come from behind to win away ? Brighton ?
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Would love to know what Unai said to Ange afterwards...
I suspect it might have been an apology
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I do love this narrative of Spurs being unlucky to have 3 goals chalked off. We play for offside - it’s evidence of strong tactical discipline.
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There's probably a clever version of this using Oliver Skipp, but I guess it would need anyone apart from his own parents knowing what Oliver Skipp looks like.
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I think Tottenham went at us like a train early on and paid for it. We struggled to cope with them and got away with it going in half time level. We did come back into a bit late first half but then second half we outplayed them, a great 3 points. Mentions for Martinez who was great, Torres who’s gradually getting better and better and McGinn bossed it second half. Loving Tielemans getting the ball in behind the attack, he’s so dangerous with his passing.
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Does that mean Spurs are not going to win the league this year!
UTV
I don't know if it's been mentioned but they've had a few injuries.
Yes. Obviously, we’ve been incredibly lucky this year with injuries.
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Would love to know what Unai said to Ange afterwards...
I suspect it might have been an apology
Why would he apologise for being better than him and beating Spurs for a 3rd consecutive game?
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
You could sense the disappointment in the commentator's voice
Doubt Alan Smith who is a Villa fan was that disappointed
He was the worst of the lot. Anti Villa in very sentence he spouted
He really wasn't. I think sometimes football fans just like to feel as though everyone is against their team
Agree, I think Smith is a very fair commentator. He's one of the few that kind of mirror what I'm thinking rather that spouting sensationalist rubbish.
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And Dougie is such a class player these days as well.
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Another masterclass, only this time he saved it for half time.
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Does that mean Spurs are not going to win the league this year!
UTV
Manchester United are going to win it now
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I think Smith is good as a commentator and pretty evenhanded.
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Boubacar my MOTM.
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When I left Edinburgh on the train it was Them 1-0 Us and we were playing shit. Reception's come back, final whistle's gone, and we're 2pts off first place.
Up the fucking Villa! That is all.
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Smith was constant in his praise for spurs today, very biased. In the studio I thought it was quite biased too.
Nevertheless fuck them all, great win for us today, which on paper should have been easy with the amount of injuries etc they had.
But great tactical changes by Emery at halftime changed the tide.
UTV!
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As soon as he made the changes at the start of the second half, I relaxed a lot more. The two positions not working were Cash and Diaby. As soon as the subs settled, it was a different game.
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Would love to know what Unai said to Ange afterwards...
Balls!!
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Superb. Great use of the bench as well because Cash was an almost certain red card.
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That first half was a serious test, they looked like they could score when they wanted and maybe on another day they run away with that. Second half was better, our midfield were more present and ultimately we've done incredibly to come from behind and win at a serious team. What a win that is.
The first half wasn't a test as Unai got it wrong big time with his team selection. It was no surprise to anybody, even Tim Sherwood could see we're at our best when we get the midfield right. I struggle to see what Unai was thinking or expecting. Maybe he thinks the players are better than they are or the opposition are really weak.
Second half he made the changes and it was night and day. Our midfield are a thing of beauty but you can't expect miracles every game. Unai has a nasty habit of tinkering with the team away from Villa Park. More often than not it doesn't work and he has to fix it.
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I wasn't expecting that after 10 minutes to be honest. An inspired pair of subs which not many managers at 1-1 away from home at half time would have had the imagination to have done. Our best win of the season for me.
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And Dougie is such a class player these days as well.
He's a baller in possession but thought his application without it was more than a bit suspect today. Lost good few duels.
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Media would have creamed themselves if someone like Beckham had put that ball in for Pau's goal.
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
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As passive as we were in the first half , i always thought if we actually got going we would break that Spurzz. defence
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And Dougie is such a class player these days as well.
He's a baller in possession but thought his application without it was more than a bit suspect today. Lost good few duels.
Gave away some silly free kicks on the edge of the box at the end too , luckily they didn't cost us
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I was not expecting a win today. Thank you Villa. Who knew football could be so enjoyable?
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I love the fact that Unai sees what we see. Taking Cash and Diaby off, changed the game. We had someone linking midfield to attack in Tielemans and Bailey staying wider occupied them much more. I thought we were much more in control second half and the Torres goal took most of the zip from them before half time as they knew we would change things. I actually thought we looked a shade lazy and lacking in ruthlessness in parts but won't comfortably, despite their disallowed goals. If you're offside, your offside, no matter what, same for us in the first half with Ollie's goal. Good saves from Emi when needed. It shows that we need a right sided midfielder instead of Cash.
Great win. I have an irrational hatred of Spurs, not sure why, so lovely to beat them, something we are getting very used to.
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This Villa team is still learning and evolving and there are certainly going to be games like today's when we look all over the place and with the genius we now have in charge you just know that these types of performances are going to be ironed out, slowly but surely. Hang on in there folks, there's something special happening down the Villa.
An early birthday present for me, thanks Villa.
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Joyous game isn’t it…
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We scored 2 they scored 1,we get 3 points,so kiss my arse
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Diaby has hit a flat spot form wise and deservedly hooked at half time. But he's a cracking player in need of a spell out. Bailey mixed the sublime with ridiculous as per usual but deserves more of a run now.
Cash was just played out of position.would give him a pass for today
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Have you ever looked in a mirror?
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Great result. I’m happy.
The first half was shit but we missed as many chances as they did.
Watkins finish was top drawer too. Pleased for him.
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There is a reckless intensity to how spurs play, lots of energy, but lots of badly timed and ill-judged challenges. Oh well what a same.
Brilliant second half.
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Have you ever looked in a mirror?
Emery saw it too. He corrected it and we looked far better.
Let's not pretend we played well today or you can if you want , I'm delighted with the 3 points but we got away with this one
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This Villa team is still learning and evolving and there are certainly going to be games like today's when we look all over the place and with the genius we now have in charge you just know that these types of performances are going to be ironed out, slowly but surely. Hang on in there folks, there's something special happening down the Villa.
An early birthday present for me, thanks Villa.
Many happy returns Dave. You deserve this.
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Can I just say...that was fucking impressive and I am absolutely delighted, fucking delighted that we shut up these fuckers particularly recovering from a bad start. It's made my day, week and all else. There is nothing more to besaid. thank you Villa boys.
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We deserved the 3 points, we didn't get away with anything.
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I’m glad we have the best goalie in the world.
3 points are largely in part thanks to his brilliance
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4th in the league. Not too shabby.
Now that's impressive :)
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This Villa team is still learning and evolving and there are certainly going to be games like today's when we look all over the place and with the genius we now have in charge you just know that these types of performances are going to be ironed out, slowly but surely. Hang on in there folks, there's something special happening down the Villa.
An early birthday present for me, thanks Villa.
Many happy returns Dave. You deserve this.
Yep Dave, patience is a virtue! Hope like me you see some glory in our twighlight years
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4th in the league. Not too shabby.
Now that's impressive :)
;D
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Not every player can DO IT every week. He's important part of out set up, and other teams a worried sick of him.
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I’m glad we have the best goalie in the world.
3 points are largely in part thanks to his brilliance
MOTM performance today
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Not every player can DO IT every week. He's important part of out set up, and other teams a worried sick of him.
If you mean Diaby, he hasn’t done it for a few weeks
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Absolutely brilliant I'm so pleased with the three points I'm also glad we have the worlds best goalie well done Emi.
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Bailey was mostly shite when he arrived. Now he's one of our most effective attacking forces.
Diaby's got bags of talent, he'll be fine.
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Absolute smash and grab, given how poor we were in the first half. Substitutions made a big difference and thought we were unlucky not to get an extra couple
The first bit doesn't relate to the rest of your post or the game I watched.
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I wasn't expecting that after 10 minutes to be honest. An inspired pair of subs which not many managers at 1-1 away from home at half time would have had the imagination to have done. Our best win of the season for me.
Stevie Wonder, or maybe even Dean Smith, would have been able to see that those changes were needed at half time. Credit to Emery for making the changes but he was only correcting his tactical and selection errors in the first place. There was no reason to start Carlos today
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Maybe you should have a good word with yourself. He’s young, it’s his first season, he’s played mostly well, sometimes brilliantly, other times it’s not happened.
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Does that mean Spurs are not going to win the league this year!
UTV
It's ok Ange got them 3 MotM trophies, that will do.
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I wasn't expecting that after 10 minutes to be honest. An inspired pair of subs which not many managers at 1-1 away from home at half time would have had the imagination to have done. Our best win of the season for me.
Stevie Wonder, or maybe even Dean Smith, would have been able to see that those changes were needed at half time. Credit to Emery for making the changes but he was only correcting his tactical and selection errors in the first place. There was no reason to start Carlos today
Given we were under the cosh for that first twenty or so, it's a good job we had that extra defender in. Like i said, some. manager's would have gone in satisfied because we'd pulled it back just before half time. He threw them making the double change.
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Not every player can DO IT every week. He's important part of out set up, and other teams a worried sick of him.
We need competition for Cash for sure. Today wasn't all his fault mind he didn't know where to position himself when in or out of possession.
Diary has done loads so far, but every no 10 can blow hot and cold.
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Lucky to still be in it after 30 minutes with another really slow start.
Great second half after scoring at a great time just before the interval, Torres really should have scored the other headed chance.
Cash could have got a red on another day for that ‘tackle’ on Bantancur.
Great result. UTV
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Now into 4th
Where's the Champions League ? and
Going for the Title dream thread ?
Is it after we beat Man City and Arsenal those can be created ?
Or after the boxing day win at Old Trafford
If there isn't one by start of 2024 then I may have to start one myself!
Ain't no stopping us!
Up the Villa!
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Important game. This game to me was the “are we flat track bullies” game.
No
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Not every player can DO IT every week. He's important part of out set up, and other teams a worried sick of him.
We need competition for Cash for sure. Today wasn't all his fault mind he didn't know where to position himself when in or out of possession.
Diary has done loads so far, but every no 10 can blow hot and cold.
I like Cash, he’s is a very decent right back. We need some cover there for sure.
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Moreno?
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Beauty! That game was always one we would win.
I normally love Villa games that I know we're going to win, but it was actually rather disappointing at times for some of the game. Though I loved how flummoxed yet another team were by the offside deployed by Emery and his strategy. Amazing!
But really Spurs were there for the taking and would have won easily if attacked harder in first half and applied pressure and ruthless in second half. Likes of Bailey needed to be in from the outset because having more offense from the start I think be looking at a 4 or 5 goals.
At the end of the day Villa win and there was a superior difference with our players and our ability to play a high line defence and a nod to our world class keeper.
I loved how flummoxed another team were by the offside deployed by Emery and his strategy. Amazing!
Watkins scored delightfully. Tielemans too had made a difference as Diaby was proving ineffective.
Ollie could have had two or three today. Unlucky. A header that was just wide of the goal from a corner and one that was disallowed by VAR.
And it's great to see Ramsey and Duran for some match action fot a few minutes and part of the victory.
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Well we made hard work of those 3 points. Spurs are the most over hyped team in the league. They've sold their best player, their manager isn't elite level and has had a prolonged honeymoon period, take away all the hype they get and they're on West Hams level. I expected us to win but Emery did get it wrong with the first half set up, you could see after 10mins the balance wasn't right suprised it took till half time for him to change it, credit to him he sorted it out, however it could of been a more comfortable afternoon.
The timing of the equaliser right on half time was crucial. Torres had missed an identical chance early on and made no mistake 2nd time round and Watkins was ruthless with his strike. Great to look at the table and see Villa top four after all these years.
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Not every player can DO IT every week. He's important part of out set up, and other teams a worried sick of him.
We need competition for Cash for sure. Today wasn't all his fault mind he didn't know where to position himself when in or out of possession.
Diary has done loads so far, but every no 10 can blow hot and cold.
I like Cash, he’s is a very decent right back. We need some cover there for sure.
Need an upgrade on him on my observation.
After we removed Cash from the picture, the game changed. The manner he was playing seemed clueless and it was a pathetic yellow card for a foolish challenge.
Cash didn't have the football intelligence to play the role required and that was an issue addressed at half time.
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Hindsight is 20-20 (and we won), but it may have been better to start the usual back four with McGinn on the right and Tielemans on the left ahead of Dougie and Bouba. Our wingbacks were far too deep and allowed Spurs fullbacks to push on.
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Maybe you should have a good word with yourself. He’s young, it’s his first season, he’s played mostly well, sometimes brilliantly, other times it’s not happened.
Quite - players aren’t robots. We’ve seen how good he can be. He’s just going through a dip.
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I want to know what happened to the Spurs fan from the Bournbrook Inn.
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I continue to be astounded and delighted by the quality of Unai's work.
1. We win away
2. We come from behind.
3. We beat one of the Sky six when, despite the injuries, they were really up for it.
Also very impressed with how Tielemans is being integrated into the squad. Enjoy your Sunday night, Villains!
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Very impressed with Tielemans, he was on it as soon he came on, composed and clever, he sure can time a pass.
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https://www.skysports.com/football/tottenham-vs-a-villa/report/482720
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They're calling each other C-words on a Spurs forum (and they're right). All is good.
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We really need an upgrade on Cash , and Diaby needs to have a good look at himself he simply isn't doing it lately
Not every player can DO IT every week. He's important part of out set up, and other teams a worried sick of him.
We need competition for Cash for sure. Today wasn't all his fault mind he didn't know where to position himself when in or out of possession.
Diary has done loads so far, but every no 10 can blow hot and cold.
I like Cash, he’s is a very decent right back. We need some cover there for sure.
Need an upgrade on him on my observation.
After we removed Cash from the picture, the game changed. The manner he was playing seemed clueless and it was a pathetic yellow card for a foolish challenge.
Cash didn't have the football intelligence to play the role required and that was an issue addressed at half time.
He wasn’t playing right back though.
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
You could sense the disappointment in the commentator's voice
Doubt Alan Smith who is a Villa fan was that disappointed
He was the worst of the lot. Anti Villa in very sentence he spouted
I didn't hear that at all! He was pretty much smirking in his comments when the equaliser went in.
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Brilliant Result, a brilliant end to an annoying week (personally).
Thought Youri was brilliant when he came on - starting to look like a brilliant bit of business.
What is impressive, is you can see we still have loads of room for improvement - Pau seems really good, his reading of the game is brilliant, but hes still learning the league. Less sure about Carlos - but maybe he just needs to play more.
Diaby has been a bit quiet - but we've all seen the quality he has, I hoped he would have more space today - but it didn't quite work
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I did worry in seeing Cash in midfield & so it proved - not his fault entirely & I can't see Unai doing that again in a hurry. He might just get off the murder charge too - fickle fans who see Gazza not fouling Gary Charles in 1991...
Great win. Imagine not dropping points at either Wolves or Forest & we'd be top. Halcyon days!
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What happened with Diaby? Injured or a bit shit today?
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Not bad but we needed to change it up a bit.
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Is Kamara banned now? 5th yellow picked up today. Cash joins Digne and Dougie on 4. Need to be careful now.
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Cash just does not work as a wide player. Hopefully him being taken off at half time is the end of him ever playing there again, it just does not work. He's not every good at it, and it upsets the balance of the team. We looked better as the second half wore on.
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I wasn't expecting that after 10 minutes to be honest. An inspired pair of subs which not many managers at 1-1 away from home at half time would have had the imagination to have done. Our best win of the season for me.
Stevie Wonder, or maybe even Dean Smith, would have been able to see that those changes were needed at half time. Credit to Emery for making the changes but he was only correcting his tactical and selection errors in the first place. There was no reason to start Carlos today
I actually think Torres played really well today, I also thought Carlos was ok. The problem is Konsa is a better centre back than Carlos, Cash is a better right back than Konsa and Tielemans, Bailey, McGinn, Zanioloa etc are all better in than wide midfield role than Cash.
Unai must of had his reasons, but it didn’t work and Cash was additionally rattled after Bentacur had to go off. Unai changed his own plan and it worked and we controlled large parts of the second half.
We are flying.
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What happened with Diaby? Injured or a bit shit today?
We were hemmed-in for much of the first half so he struggled to get any of the ball. I didn't like his body language every time a team-mate's effort to find him was intercepted. I think he's a bit frustrated at the moment, knowing that he can contribute more. We also have to help get the best out of him.
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I did worry in seeing Cash in midfield & so it proved - not his fault entirely & I can't see Unai doing that again in a hurry. He might just get off the murder charge too - fickle fans who see Gazza not fouling Gary Charles in 1991...
Great win. Imagine not dropping points at either Wolves or Forest & we'd be top. Halcyon days!
moaning like f on there site, good because we been a soft touch over the years
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Moreno?
No. He's left-sided, Cash is right.
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Is Kamara banned now? 5th yellow picked up today. Cash joins Digne and Dougie on 4. Need to be careful now.
Kamara is banned for the Bournemouth game.
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They're calling each other C-words on a Spurs forum (and they're right). All is good.
Never a truer word spoken.
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Surely that's just normal chirpy Cockney behaviour? "Alright cant! How you doing cant? How's you old ma, she's a cant!" etc.
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Surely that's just normal chirpy Cockney behaviour? "Alright cant! How you doing cant? How's you old ma, she's a cant!" etc.
It's Ange's influence. Aussies love that word.
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I actually find the Cockneys uses the c- word in all its potential forms...noun, adjective and even as a verb.
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Moreno?
No. He's left-sided, Cash is right.
Ta.
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Of course the spurs fans are quiet on their cock forum.
Bit like the atmosphere in their ground.
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The Villa.. what the bloody hell is going on.... keep it going lads !
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Is Kamara banned now? 5th yellow picked up today. Cash joins Digne and Dougie on 4. Need to be careful now.
Kamara is banned for the Bournemouth game.
A good game to miss.
With JJ or tielemens to come in, I am sure we can cope.
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The thread on one of the Spurs forums is glorious. They're losing there shit over one of our Social Media posts.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-113
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
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Fantastic win but a crazy game.
When either team were building an attack the opposing team were more likely to score!!
Great changes at half time. Special mention for Torres, Martinez and Kamara.
Onward and upwards.
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With my serious hat on, calling it Three Point Lane is pretty childish and doesn't reflect well on us imo.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
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What happened with Diaby? Injured or a bit shit today?
We were hemmed-in for much of the first half so he struggled to get any of the ball. I didn't like his body language every time a team-mate's effort to find him was intercepted. I think he's a bit frustrated at the moment, knowing that he can contribute more. We also have to help get the best out of him.
He was played clean in at one point and instead of shooting checked back. He's really struggling to adapt to the demands of the EPL at the moment . Bailey looks a far better option currently and once Buendia is back we will have even more options.
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With my serious hat on, calling it Three Point Lane is pretty childish and doesn't reflect well on us imo.
My understanding is that it's after their admin took the piss out of coming to B6 for years. If that's the case then fuck them and go cry some more
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
It wasn't even a remotely dirty tackle. Just a bog standard yellow.
I'm glad they're angry because I don't like them. I hope they are singing their slow shite song and crying into their pillows.
I'm in my later 40s and should know better.
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It's all cheeky 'bants' with Premier League club official Twitter accounts these days now isn't it?
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
One of them on there suggesting that Cash should have taken it easy on a player who has been out for a long time. I'm not sure that's quite how football works.
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Aww diddums, the Spurs fans on allfartnoshit.com are upset. I'm going to channel 1990s Tom Ross and say I love turning over these big-time charlies on their own patch. Absolute bunch of fannies.
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Don't agree with these 'got away with it first half' comments. Overall we were the better team and fully deserved the points.
Sons 3 disallowed goals were all easily off due to our well drilled defence, ours disallowed for a finger nail. Posts and keepers are there for a reason. Their one legitimate goal was a deflection.
I thought Spurs were playing at their very best which was still not enough against us. If we had been really on top of our game we would have blown them away.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
Not a thug in a classic sense but he just lacks footy intelligent. Seemed to take out his frustration on understanding football on a player who has been out for 9 months.
The tackle was pointless by him to be fair.
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With my serious hat on, calling it Three Point Lane is pretty childish and doesn't reflect well on us imo.
My understanding is that it's after their admin took the piss out of coming to B6 for years. If that's the case then fuck them and go cry some more
If that is the case then fuck them.
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Don't agree with these 'got away with it first half' comments. Overall we were the better team and fully deserved the points.
Sons 3 disallowed goals were all easily off due to our well drilled defence, ours disallowed for a finger nail. Posts and keepers are there for a reason. Their one legitimate goal was a deflection.
I thought Spurs were playing at their very best which was still not enough against us. If we had been really on top of our game we would have blown them away.
Maaaaaate we definitely got away with it 1st half . We were all over the place first 10 , luckily they couldn't score in a brothel
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Spurs play a really high intensity game, which seems to be causing them problems with lots of mistimed and ill judged, tackles and challenges. It probably needs some more discipline.
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One of them even railing at our "morbid accent".
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One of them even railing at our "morbid accent".
They all sound like fucking Adele.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
One of them on there suggesting that Cash should have taken it easy on a player who has been out for a long time. I'm not sure that's quite how football works.
Don’t agree, obviously, with the taking it easy comment, if he’s fit enough to play he’s fit enough to be tackled, but imo it was a shit challenge by Cash and a harsher punishment wouldn’t have been unwarranted in the current climate of everything being micro analysed by VAR.
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One of them even railing at our "morbid accent".
They all sound like fucking Adele.
So is that better sounding than her singing voice or much the same?
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He slid in a bit late and caught the player, it happens dozens of times every weekend. He wasn't out of control, and didn't have his feet off the ground, studs up or trying a Ben mee scissor tackle. It was just a bit late, and he was rightly booked for it, but that's absolutely all it was. If their player isn't robust enough to withstand it, then that's not our fault, any more than it was the opposition's fault that Jacob Ramsey came back a bit early and got injured again.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
One of them on there suggesting that Cash should have taken it easy on a player who has been out for a long time. I'm not sure that's quite how football works.
Don’t agree, obviously, with the taking it easy comment, if he’s fit enough to play he’s fit enough to be tackled, but imo it was a shit challenge by Cash and a harsher punishment wouldn’t have been unwarranted in the current climate of everything being micro analysed by VAR.
It was a classic yellow card and nothing more.
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One of them even railing at our "morbid accent".
They all sound like fucking Adele.
So is that better sounding than her singing voice or much the same?
Come on don't lower ourselves . Let's respect things. We don't like people making fun of Emery accent. So let's not get into accents.
Face it, Spurs, we have Pretty Emery, they have Peter Andre, and the tactics they used showed
They'll drop down the league now anyway. Losing to Manchester City, West Ham, and Newcastle next. Son should come to us next season when we in Champions League.
Aussie Rules style of play way they haphazard approach things.
Won't challenge the elite like Villa.
Garth Crooks , Danny Murphy can you hear me ?
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One of them even railing at our "morbid accent".
They all sound like fucking Adele.
So is that better sounding than her singing voice or much the same?
Come on don't lower ourselves . Let's respect things. We don't like people making fun of Emery accent. So let's not get into accents.
Well said Footy, no need to take the piss out of their accents when they provide so much other, better material to work with.
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He slid in a bit late and caught the player, it happens dozens of times every weekend. He wasn't out of control, and didn't have his feet off the ground, studs up or trying a Ben mee scissor tackle. It was just a bit late, and he was rightly booked for it, but that's absolutely all it was. If their player isn't robust enough to withstand it, then that's not our fault, any more than it was the opposition's fault that Jacob Ramsey came back a bit early and got injured again.
He didn’t slide in with a foot attempting to sweep the ball away, the ball had already been played, so either too slow or Bentancur too quick but it was a high challenge above the shin pad, lucky and if the boot was on the other foot we’d be talking about it as a contentious decision. You obviously think different.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
One of them on there suggesting that Cash should have taken it easy on a player who has been out for a long time. I'm not sure that's quite how football works.
Don’t agree, obviously, with the taking it easy comment, if he’s fit enough to play he’s fit enough to be tackled, but imo it was a shit challenge by Cash and a harsher punishment wouldn’t have been unwarranted in the current climate of everything being micro analysed by VAR.
It was a classic yellow card and nothing more.
Just found it on Twitter, imo they’ve got cause to want a harsher punishment. It was a bit of a ‘reducer’ challenge. Not that I care, I just disagree with a few of you,
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He slid in a bit late and caught the player, it happens dozens of times every weekend. He wasn't out of control, and didn't have his feet off the ground, studs up or trying a Ben mee scissor tackle. It was just a bit late, and he was rightly booked for it, but that's absolutely all it was. If their player isn't robust enough to withstand it, then that's not our fault, any more than it was the opposition's fault that Jacob Ramsey came back a bit early and got injured again.
He didn’t slide in with a foot attempting to sweep the ball away, the ball had already been played, so either too slow or Bentancur too quick but it was a high challenge above the shin pad, lucky and if the boot was on the other foot we’d be talking about it as a contentious decision. You obviously think different.
Was anybody seriously asking that to be a red? Even VAR (who look at anything) ignored it. The only way that would be contentious was if there wasn’t a booking. Even the spurs players only really got aggrieved by it a few minutes later when it transpired that he was injured.
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It was a bad challenge but not a red for me, probably a yellow with ref telling him that he’s ‘on a tightrope’. I was slightly pleased that one of ours did give one of theirs a kick at that point, I thought they were far from gentle with our lot in the first 30 mins. Didn’t want to see him go off injured mind.
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I've seen it on Twitter, and it's just a late sliding challenge. His foot is back ready to make the challange when the ball is still at the end of the Spurs' player's foot. It was worth a yellow card, because that's one thing you get yellow cards for, late challenges. It wasn't out of control, or two footed or anything else that would make it dangerous, it really was just late.
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He slid in a bit late and caught the player, it happens dozens of times every weekend. He wasn't out of control, and didn't have his feet off the ground, studs up or trying a Ben mee scissor tackle. It was just a bit late, and he was rightly booked for it, but that's absolutely all it was. If their player isn't robust enough to withstand it, then that's not our fault, any more than it was the opposition's fault that Jacob Ramsey came back a bit early and got injured again.
He didn’t slide in with a foot attempting to sweep the ball away, the ball had already been played, so either too slow or Bentancur too quick but it was a high challenge above the shin pad, lucky and if the boot was on the other foot we’d be talking about it as a contentious decision. You obviously think different.
Sorry but i can't agree with most of this. Risso is spot on, it was a bang-on 100% yellow card tackle, late but not dagerous or reckless or with any intent to hurt someone, just a little late.
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Compare Cash's tackle to Mee's on Wesley a few years ago and Mee didn't even get booked.
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Was a bad tackle for sure by Cash, bit high and nowhere near the ball. He paid for it by getting hooked at half time. Bit of previous there with Spurs as he made bits of Matt Doherty previously, from memory that was a lot worse.
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I didn't hear that at all! He was pretty much smirking in his comments when the equaliser went in.
Yes exactly. You wouldn't expect anything else from a Villa fan and ex Arsenal player. Sometime we on here dream up grim reapers unnecessarily.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
Not a thug in a classic sense but he just lacks footy intelligent. Seemed to take out his frustration on understanding football on a player who has been out for 9 months.
The tackle was pointless by him to be fair.
And Bentencur going off contributed to our win...so at least Cash did something positive. If we want to be top dogs we have play like it and use very tool available to us.
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He slid in a bit late and caught the player, it happens dozens of times every weekend. He wasn't out of control, and didn't have his feet off the ground, studs up or trying a Ben mee scissor tackle. It was just a bit late, and he was rightly booked for it, but that's absolutely all it was. If their player isn't robust enough to withstand it, then that's not our fault, any more than it was the opposition's fault that Jacob Ramsey came back a bit early and got injured again.
He didn’t slide in with a foot attempting to sweep the ball away, the ball had already been played, so either too slow or Bentancur too quick but it was a high challenge above the shin pad, lucky and if the boot was on the other foot we’d be talking about it as a contentious decision. You obviously think different.
Sorry but i can't agree with most of this. Risso is spot on, it was a bang-on 100% yellow card tackle, late but not dagerous or reckless or with any intent to hurt someone, just a little late.
I didn’t say there was an intent to cause injury, just that he was slow to get there and was a poor challenge. It looked like a challenge born of frustration to me, maybe a red would have been harsh so one of those amber cards that pundits talk about. I’m obviously on my own! 😁
Edit. I’d also say, as I said earlier, given the way VAR is and some of the shit decision for every team I'm surprised there wasn’t more made of it.
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Title odds now 40/1, just saying.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
Don't you love it when opposition fans make comments like this, better than last season when we also beat them:
"One thing I will say is, how different was this game to when they beat us last season 2 nil. We were an embarrassment that day. It was pure Conte shite. Today we looked a completely different side. I’m taking that positive."
And they also think this was the best they have played this season. So not quite good enough to beat the Villa. ;D
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Must say I like that Ange. All he said after the game was 'wasn't a great tackle', which it wasn't! Stuck up for his team, perfectly complimentary about us, didn't get drawn into nonsense about referees, quite refreshing really. He and Unai seemed to share a nice chat.
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I quite like Ange as well, he’s balanced in how he talks to the media. Contrast that with his north London rival who is a petulant toddler.
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I do quite like Ange, but I do wonder how much longer the nice guy image is going to last. I was talking to a couple of decent Spurs fans on the train to London today, and they were worried about the run of games they've got coming up and what it will do to the boss.
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I do quite like Ange, but I do wonder how much longer the nice guy image is going to last. I was talking to a couple of decent Spurs fans on the train to London today, and they were worried about the run of games they've got coming up and what it will do to the boss.
If they turn on him though that would entirely be ridiculous of them.
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I do quite like Ange, but I do wonder how much longer the nice guy image is going to last. I was talking to a couple of decent Spurs fans on the train to London today, and they were worried about the run of games they've got coming up and what it will do to the boss.
They'll be fine once they get Maddison and the CBs back. Hopefully won't finish above us but they should be next in line ahead of Man. United and Newcastle so good progress on last season.
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I like him too, the way they play the players must love him. They really impressed me with their commitment. They work extremely hard and move the ball quick.
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I do quite like Ange, but I do wonder how much longer the nice guy image is going to last. I was talking to a couple of decent Spurs fans on the train to London today, and they were worried about the run of games they've got coming up and what it will do to the boss.
If they turn on him though that would entirely be ridiculous of them.
Yep they’re clearly a pretty good side.
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It reminds me of games in the past when we have played well against good teams for 45 minutes, not made the most of it and end up losing when they improve in the second half.
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We were extremely poor first half. Disorganised and second best across the pitch. The system certainly didn't help. The high line was destroyed again and again by Spurs. Hopefully Uni will learn from that. Subs helped but I did feel Uni could have put Ramsey on earlier. Still 3 points is brilliant as is top 4. Hopefully we can find a system and team shape that works for us away from home.
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I do quite like Ange, but I do wonder how much longer the nice guy image is going to last. I was talking to a couple of decent Spurs fans on the train to London today, and they were worried about the run of games they've got coming up and what it will do to the boss.
They'll be fine once they get Maddison and the CBs back. Hopefully won't finish above us but they should be next in line ahead of Man. United and Newcastle so good progress on last season.
However Maddison will be back for 4/5 games before he's injured again.
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Tottenham Hotspur 1-2 Aston Villa: Visitors come from behind to win at Spurs - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/67466092
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Agree with the comments about Postecoglou. He comes across very well.If ever he was to stumble upon this end of the Chester Road I’d gladly share a pint.
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"On another day we would've had a few goals but it was a combination of outstanding goalkeeping and woodwork. From my perspective all I can ask is what they gave. The players played an outstanding game of football and as a manager that's all we can ask for."
I like that quote from Ange. Acknowledges Emi kept us in it a couple of times, doesn't look for excuses for the loss, and he's right, another day one thing is different and they'd have won. I do wonder how many losses they can suffer before the general atmosphere changes. I think they're a bit like us in the sense that the players have 100% bought into the manager's ethos, but unlike us their fans are used to being in the top 6 quite a lot over the last decade or so. It would be hugely disappointing for is if we fell off at some point this season, but really we're all just grateful to be experiencing life at the top again. I feel like Spurs fans have a sense of entitlement about it and won't be shy about getting on the team's back if they fall too far down the table.
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Must say I like that Ange. All he said after the game was 'wasn't a great tackle', which it wasn't! Stuck up for his team, perfectly complimentary about us, didn't get drawn into nonsense about referees, quite refreshing really. He and Unai seemed to share a nice chat.
I don’t like spurs really, not sure why, but Ange does seem like a good un. Quite refreshing to have the likes of him and Unai not droning on about decisions and refs like many of the others.
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Pau’s celebration for his goal was very Platoonesque, absolutely wonderful.
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‘Ange’ can do one.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
They hae been very salty about him. Apparently they recall a challenge on Doherty at VP last season wchi htook him out afor several weeks.
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Pau’s celebration for his goal was very Platoonesque, absolutely wonderful.
Yes Bren! I was raving about his celebration to my son, loved it!!
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It reminds me of games in the past when we have played well against good teams for 45 minutes, not made the most of it and end up losing when they improve in the second half.
Yeah very true.
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"Cor blimey faackin' Brammie fugs from Burnminum aaap norf cants innit!"
Tararabit and ta for the 3 points again me babs!
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He slid in a bit late and caught the player, it happens dozens of times every weekend. He wasn't out of control, and didn't have his feet off the ground, studs up or trying a Ben mee scissor tackle. It was just a bit late, and he was rightly booked for it, but that's absolutely all it was. If their player isn't robust enough to withstand it, then that's not our fault, any more than it was the opposition's fault that Jacob Ramsey came back a bit early and got injured again.
He didn’t slide in with a foot attempting to sweep the ball away, the ball had already been played, so either too slow or Bentancur too quick but it was a high challenge above the shin pad, lucky and if the boot was on the other foot we’d be talking about it as a contentious decision. You obviously think different.
Nah, Bent, it really wasn't a harsh tackle by any measure. Late? Clumsy? - Yes. Dangerous / reckless? - definitely not.
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Nicked:
"Spurs title chances dented as Villa move away from the relegation zone."
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Not great maths Footy, and also I’m making my own judgement not being sucked in by the “media portrayal”. They played well today, with a lot of injuries. I’m fully aware how good Emery is, which is an entirely separate point.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
One of them on there suggesting that Cash should have taken it easy on a player who has been out for a long time. I'm not sure that's quite how football works.
Don’t agree, obviously, with the taking it easy comment, if he’s fit enough to play he’s fit enough to be tackled, but imo it was a shit challenge by Cash and a harsher punishment wouldn’t have been unwarranted in the current climate of everything being micro analysed by VAR.
It was a classic yellow card and nothing more.
Just found it on Twitter, imo they’ve got cause to want a harsher punishment. It was a bit of a ‘reducer’ challenge. Not that I care, I just disagree with a few of you,
And "a classic yellow" these days is normally a red.
I'd be giving it all levels of fuck off if it had been a red, but I'd also be pretty angry if (eg) Porro had gone all in on Jacob Ramsey, just back from injury and messed him up.
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Obviously, it's a matter of national distress that Spurs are carrying a bigger injury list than the British army after the first day of the Battle of the Somme, and thus requires hushed reverence for the title-chasing cockneys, but once you get over all that, that was a great result for us.
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Obviously, it's a matter of national distress that Spurs are carrying a bigger injury list than the British army after the first day of the Battle of the Somme, and thus requires hushed reverence for the title-chasing cockneys, but once you get over all that, that was a great result for us.
Definitely and the way Emery changed it at half time was massive.
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Well wasn’t that lovely.
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
A bad one.
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
Was it Cash in midfield or wingbacks and three CM's at the back? Either way I suspect he might have been trying something to throw Spurs plans and to impose something on the wings but failed.
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Cash's challenge was a yellow, but if say a Spurs player makes a similar challenge on Buendia, on his first match back, which resulted in him having to leave the field, then there would be a similar reaction to it on this thread.
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Cash was a sort of wingback, with kamara covering
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For all the poor, hard done-by Spurs chat elsewhere, the Spurs fan on F365 sums it up pretty well I reckon
You can’t call it bad luck when it keeps happening. You specifically can’t call it bad luck when your team containing zero centre-backs concedes the two precise types of goal centre-backs were put on this earth to prevent.
Villa’s first was a wonderful free-kick delivery from Douglas Luiz in first-half stoppage time. It is doubtful indeed whether the presence of Eric Dier would have made a tangible difference to Pau Torres thumping home a header. But Dier would at least have seen such free-kicks plenty of times before and at least done something to try and prevent it
Really feels that they chucked it away rather than us doing that much to win it.
Also surprised to learn that Spurs have only scored more than twice in a game on one occasion this season. We'd done it more times than that before September rolled in.
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
Was it Cash in midfield or wingbacks and three CM's at the back? Either way I suspect he might have been trying something to throw Spurs plans and to impose something on the wings but failed.
it obviously wasn’t working that’s why he changed it at half time
Personally I would have liked it sorted before but we managed to only concede one goal then nicked one just before half time
That 1st goal was the key along with the system change and i knew we had a good chance of winning the game in the second half
having the best goalkeeper in the world also helps
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Post -match interview with Ollie and John McGinn.
https://twitter.com/SkySportsPL/status/1728813305769181510?s=19
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It reminds me of games in the past when we have played well against good teams for 45 minutes, not made the most of it and end up losing when they improve in the second half.
To use a popular term on here it's "ace" we now look that team who can step up a gear at crucial moments and win/draw games.
In seasons gone by we'd have lost 1-0 at Wolves after falling behind, lost today and drawn 0-0 at Chelsea v 10 men which would've been seen as a missed opportunity.
7 points from 3 games that will be very crucial in May.
Hopefully today will stop the negativity about the away form aswell. If we win next week we'll be on 4 wins from 8 played away, keep that ratio up and that's generally what Man.United and Newcastle ran with to make top 4 last season.
For most of 2023 we've had the look of a top level team under a top level team, difference is we're now starting to believe it most weeks rather than just hoping we can become one.
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Great day out and a fantastic 3 points.
First half we just weren’t at it but stuck in there. Second half a lot better and defensively much better. Martinez showed why he’s the worlds number 1.
Emery worked his magic and made the changes and they came off yet again. It’s never easy away from home but the grit and will to win we showed was great to see. It’s always a nice feeling winning in London, especially against our “Ange”.
UTV
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Tottenham. The only club in the history of football to suffer injuries.
It's completely overblown. Maddison and the Dutch CB are big misses for sure but then again we've lost Mings and perhaps Buendia for perhaps the whole season before the first game had even finished.
And a third into the season and that brilliant left hand side of Moreno and Ramsey has still yet to play a single minute together.
The other two big hitters out were Bissouma and Romero and they were both suspended so that's self inflicted and they'll be back for the busy December period.
Rest of their injuries are mainly to squad players like Sessegnon, Richarlison, Soloman, Sarr etc. Would be like us making a big thing of Diego Carlos and Duran recently being unavailable when we know they aren't starting when everyone is fit.
Man. United, Newcastle and Brighton are far more riddled with injuries than Spurs are and they don't have europe either.
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Interview with Ange, touches on his experience of being a refugee.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/66846293
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I'm not sure what channel i watched the game on , but at one point they flicked over to a Spurs "fan zone" in India (mumbai i think) when Lo celso scored and they were all going mental . Later they showed it again as Torres powered his header home and they weren't so happy and a few of them looked like they were going home :D
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Cash's challenge was a yellow, but if say a Spurs player makes a similar challenge on Buendia, on his first match back, which resulted in him having to leave the field, then there would be a similar reaction to it on this thread.
I agree
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it was a pretty stupid challenge by Cash and overall he had a diabolical game (again)
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Cash's challenge was a yellow, but if say a Spurs player makes a similar challenge on Buendia, on his first match back, which resulted in him having to leave the field, then there would be a similar reaction to it on this thread.
I agree
Yeah we'd be furious. It was a yellow card challenge, and sometimes players do get injured from yellow card challenges, but we'd have been laying into the guy in similar circumstances.
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it was a pretty stupid challenge by Cash and overall he had a diabolical game (again)
Yep we’re hopeless aren’t we? Another bloody defeat….
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
Was it Cash in midfield or wingbacks and three CM's at the back? Either way I suspect he might have been trying something to throw Spurs plans and to impose something on the wings but failed.
Cash was playing in the empty crisp packet on a windy day position.
Him Watkins and Diaby were very poor today.
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
Was it Cash in midfield or wingbacks and three CM's at the back? Either way I suspect he might have been trying something to throw Spurs plans and to impose something on the wings but failed.
Cash was playing in the empty crisp packet on a windy day position.
Him Watkins and Diaby were very poor today.
watkins was very good
Cash & Diaby were pony
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The same Watkins who almost had a hat-trick?
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The same Watkins who almost had a hat-trick?
Yes, his first touch was so bad they were springing attacks from it.
He scored, and should have scored more but he was poor today.
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Nice of us to pay tribute to Venables by beating them down there like we used to when he was in charge.
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
Was it Cash in midfield or wingbacks and three CM's at the back? Either way I suspect he might have been trying something to throw Spurs plans and to impose something on the wings but failed.
Cash was playing in the empty crisp packet on a windy day position.
Him Watkins and Diaby were very poor today.
watkins was very good
Cash & Diaby were pony
For once I agree with VillaTim. Cash isn't a right sided midfielder to be fair and Diaby is just going through a lean spell. Watkins was a constant threat all game I thought. Especially when Bailey came on.
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
Was it Cash in midfield or wingbacks and three CM's at the back? Either way I suspect he might have been trying something to throw Spurs plans and to impose something on the wings but failed.
Cash was playing in the empty crisp packet on a windy day position.
Him Watkins and Diaby were very poor today.
watkins was very good
Cash & Diaby were pony
You make Footy-Vill read like a genius.
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Not read back through the thread
so what was the idea of playing Cash in midfield
Was it Cash in midfield or wingbacks and three CM's at the back? Either way I suspect he might have been trying something to throw Spurs plans and to impose something on the wings but failed.
Cash was playing in the empty crisp packet on a windy day position.
Him Watkins and Diaby were very poor today.
watkins was very good
Cash & Diaby were pony
You make Footy-Vill read like a genius.
thank you miniscule rat ;)
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it was a pretty stupid challenge by Cash and overall he had a diabolical game (again)
Cash form has been a mixed but he was one of our best players against Fulham. It's was Emery mistake. He played in no man's land, bit like was it at home to Wolves early in Emery's reign? Neither one thing nor the other..
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Weird as it is it’s very rare that all 11 (plus subs) have an amazing game, even if the team do well and get a very good result. If you’re always focussed on the flaws, or at least looking for them, you’re never going to find much joy.
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it was a pretty stupid challenge by Cash and overall he had a diabolical game (again)
Cash form has been a mixed but he was one of our best players against Fulham. It's was Emery mistake. He played in no man's land, bit like was it at home to Wolves early in Emery's reign? Neither one thing nor the other..
Yes the set up was wrong in the first half, how we came in level !!
We were so much better with the Changes, although still conceding too many chances.
The fact that Spurs tried to rush everything including the many chances gave us the victory.
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Weird as it is it’s very rare that all 11 (plus subs) have an amazing game, even if the team do well and get a very good result. If you’re always focussed on the flaws, or at least looking for them, you’re never going to find much joy.
I admit, there was little joy in the game except our goals and the 3 points. Although I thought a number of players did well for us, Kamara was by far our best player, made so many crucial interceptions, Torres and Emi also excellent.
SJM Dougie Tielmens did well also.
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I loved the game. Probably helped that Zaniolo had told me the score last night so I didn't worry when one down.
Them 1 Us 2
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it was a pretty stupid challenge by Cash and overall he had a diabolical game (again)
Cash form has been a mixed but he was one of our best players against Fulham. It's was Emery mistake. He played in no man's land, bit like was it at home to Wolves early in Emery's reign? Neither one thing nor the other..
Yes the set up was wrong in the first half, how we came in level !!
We were so much better with the Changes, although still conceding too many chances.
The fact that Spurs tried to rush everything including the many chances gave us the victory.
Yeah I don't even think we saw the victory out that well. Series of stupid fouls like Luiz giving them free kicks in dangerous positions. We made a mess of a number of counters too. Thought a lot of players on both teams were running on empty last 20 mins or so, maybe to be expected after an international break. Unbelievable result, fancied us today...until I saw starting lineup!
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Weird as it is it’s very rare that all 11 (plus subs) have an amazing game, even if the team do well and get a very good result. If you’re always focussed on the flaws, or at least looking for them, you’re never going to find much joy.
ironically , its exactly what Emery does, which is why hes so good
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What a win Villains !! Absolutely buzzing
Off to watch MOTD2 and hope Murphy is on
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Where was Zaniolo?
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Where was Zaniolo?
Ladbrokes
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M
What a win Villains !! Absolutely buzzing
Off to watch MOTD2 and hope Murphy is on
He is!
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https://x.com/MaddersTHFC/status/1728848137840972192?s=20
Cash and Carlos should have been sent off, Gil should have had a penalty, now this should've been a penalty. There's just something about that club.
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Spurs inquest on injury ravaged wasteful forwards on match of the day
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Carlos getting beaten in air by Davies was piss poor. If we could get in a quicker CB in Jan then I wouldn't be upset to let Carlos go. He really doesn't want to play that high line.
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https://x.com/MaddersTHFC/status/1728848137840972192?s=20
Cash and Carlos should have been sent off, Gil should have had a penalty, now this should've been a penalty. There's just something about that club.
I absolutely hate Spurs, the epitome of 'all fart, no shit' and their fans are, in my experience of having met them in every day life, absolute bell ends.
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https://x.com/MaddersTHFC/status/1728848137840972192?s=20
Cash and Carlos should have been sent off, Gil should have had a penalty, now this should've been a penalty. There's just something about that club.
I absolutely hate Spurs, the epitome of 'all fart, no shit' and their fans are, in my experience of having met them in every day life, absolute bell ends.
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https://x.com/MaddersTHFC/status/1728848137840972192?s=20
Cash and Carlos should have been sent off, Gil should have had a penalty, now this should've been a penalty. There's just something about that club.
I absolutely hate Spurs, the epitome of 'all fart, no shit' and their fans are, in my experience of having met them in every day life, absolute bell ends.
Agree with all of this.
I have a number of gobshite Koreans in my classes at uni. All Spurs fans. All ******.
As their Park Ji Sung - loving, Man Utd supporting dads probably were, too.
Each class today will start with the extended highlights of Villa's win. I will be organising the seating also, and they'll all have front row seats.
Fuck 'Madders' and their 'bantz brigade' / wanky photo celebrations.
Fuck off and throw some imaginary darts if your injuries allow you to.
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MOTD2's highlights coverage much more equitable than Sky's, but then they aren't playing to the same Big 6 international audience; at least not to the same degree. If anything I thought it favoured us. Watching it, you wouldn't have known how much Spurs dominated the first half hour.
Interesting to look at it again and realise that, for all we were much better in the second half, Spurs had more shots in in the second half. Emi in inspired form.
I hope UE makes sure the players see the pontifications towards the end of the programme that Villa aren't in the title conversation, despite where they are right now. Prove 'em wrong...
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Anyone nitpicking about today’s game or one or two below par players should be made to watch the full 90 mins of that game at White Hart Lane when Alex McLeish was in charge, or the FA Cup game under Brucie!
Just enjoy the fact that we now go into every game with a positive approach - we’ll lose games trying to turn one point into three but so what, watching the Villa is great fun again and I’m loving it.
Also whilst I’m in such a good mood - what a great game the linesmen had. I reckon the only wrong offside call was not flagging for Ollie’s eventually disallowed goal - but understandable when you see how tight that was.
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Where was Zaniolo?
Ladbrokes
Not laughing at this. Not one bit...
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Where was Zaniolo?
Ladbrokes
Not laughing at this. Not one bit...
I bet you are?
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Carlos getting beaten in air by Davies was piss poor. If we could get in a quicker CB in Jan then I wouldn't be upset to let Carlos go. He really doesn't want to play that high line.
Seriously?
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https://x.com/MaddersTHFC/status/1728848137840972192?s=20
Cash and Carlos should have been sent off, Gil should have had a penalty, now this should've been a penalty. There's just something about that club.
I absolutely hate Spurs, the epitome of 'all fart, no shit' and their fans are, in my experience of having met them in every day life, absolute bell ends.
Agree with all of this.
I have a number of gobshite Koreans in my classes at uni. All Spurs fans. All ******.
As their Park Ji Sung - loving, Man Utd supporting dads probably were, too.
Each class today will start with the extended highlights of Villa's win. I will be organising the seating also, and they'll all have front row seats.
Fuck 'Madders' and their 'bantz brigade' / wanky photo celebrations.
Fuck off and throw some imaginary darts if your injuries allow you to.
😂😂😂
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No Zaniolo or Chambers in the 20. Iroegbunam in though. Didn't hear about either Z or C being injured. Does rather hint at UE's plans for January...
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I have a number of gobshite Koreans in my classes at uni. All Spurs fans. All ******.
As their Park Ji Sung - loving, Man Utd supporting dads probably were, too.
Each class today will start with the extended highlights of Villa's win. I will be organising the seating also, and they'll all have front row seats.
Fuck 'Madders' and their 'bantz brigade' / wanky photo celebrations.
Fuck off and throw some imaginary darts if your injuries allow you to.
Show them there's a new Korean Villa fan on his way home. https://twitter.com/NBCSportsSoccer/status/1728811491883876800
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Most of their chances came through offside positions, it made them look far better than they were. How many times were we offside? can't think of one. That's part of the skill of playing a high line and we have become very good at it. Son got a hatrick from offside positions, what's the use of that. Good to see our bench looking stronger.
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I have a number of gobshite Koreans in my classes at uni. All Spurs fans. All ******.
As their Park Ji Sung - loving, Man Utd supporting dads probably were, too.
Each class today will start with the extended highlights of Villa's win. I will be organising the seating also, and they'll all have front row seats.
Fuck 'Madders' and their 'bantz brigade' / wanky photo celebrations.
Fuck off and throw some imaginary darts if your injuries allow you to.
Show them there's a new Korean Villa fan on his way home. https://twitter.com/NBCSportsSoccer/status/1728811491883876800
Their reaction was tepid at best.
One of them didn't even know who Watkins was.
We'll be watching the highlights again in Thursday's class.
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A long 2 week countdown waiting for this match punctuated by Southgate’s small balls approach to the national team.
Finally some proper football !
First half was poor because the Cash man (unlike Burnley away) wasnt sure which left our midfield a bit overrun and compounded by we couldn’t get the ball to Diaby quick enough. Wave after wave of spuds attacks repelled through a combination of profligacy, luck and last ditch defending- why can’t we play away like we do at home the whole Remy clan watching lamented.
The Watkins offside was by a fucking shoelace yet all theirs were miles offside making them look like mugs in our offside traps - ha!
I seriously doubt the past 5 Villa managers would have had the balls or humility to agree with the Villa nation that their detailed methodical game plan wasn’t working and made positives changes that we all called.
2nd half thanks to the sort of delivery and execution of a bullet headed equaliser that was almost orgasmic we went toe to toe and more like our quality we can produce.
We’re were fabulous from then and I was on the edge of my seat. What a game of football.
Digne free kick, Watkins stumble when clean through, Watkins header wide, Bailey shot saved - they would have been buried in the 2nd half, did the press report that.
Sky studio at full time what a bunch of maggots. They looked like someone had pissed on their preplanned wankfest narrative of a spuds win and regurgitate an intern’s scripted copy. Instead they had to engage their brain on live tv and talk about on their feet - you know like they’re supposed to but too much effort.
That was a massive test and we passed thanks to brilliant coaching, unity, depth, luck and factually were the real deal.
Chavski, Spuds and Spammers - take that you c***s.
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I was teaching (on a fucking Sunday) and at the end of the class made a joke about the Legia match. I had avoided the score so I could watch the match when I got home. A student came up to me after the class, lifted up his top and showed me his Spurs tattoo, saying well done you won. Happy and pissed off at the same time. I thought Kamara was brilliant
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I was teaching (on a fucking Sunday) and at the end of the class made a joke about the Legia match. I had avoided the score so I could watch the match when I got home. A student came up to me after the class, lifted up his top and showed me his Spurs tattoo, saying well done you won. Happy and pissed off at the same time. I thought Kamara was brilliant
Urgh, a Spurs tattoo 😂
I hope that means he'll now be resitting the class next semester.
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I was teaching (on a fucking Sunday) and at the end of the class made a joke about the Legia match. I had avoided the score so I could watch the match when I got home. A student came up to me after the class, lifted up his top and showed me his Spurs tattoo, saying well done you won. Happy and pissed off at the same time. I thought Kamara was brilliant
Urgh, a Spurs tattoo 😂
I hope that means he'll now be resitting the class next semester.
Kicked off the course :))
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Anyone nitpicking about today’s game or one or two below par players should be made to watch the full 90 mins of that game at White Hart Lane when Alex McLeish was in charge, or the FA Cup game under Brucie!
Just enjoy the fact that we now go into every game with a positive approach - we’ll lose games trying to turn one point into three but so what, watching the Villa is great fun again and I’m loving it.
Also whilst I’m in such a good mood - what a great game the linesmen had. I reckon the only wrong offside call was not flagging for Ollie’s eventually disallowed goal - but understandable when you see how tight that was.
Round of applause for this.
I don’t think we should be all evangelical on here about Emery or the team, but sometimes some posters, why celebrate a hard fought important win to move us up to 4th, 2 points off the top, when you can focus on the negatives of who was shit.
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Anyone nitpicking about today’s game or one or two below par players should be made to watch the full 90 mins of that game at White Hart Lane when Alex McLeish was in charge, or the FA Cup game under Brucie!
Just enjoy the fact that we now go into every game with a positive approach - we’ll lose games trying to turn one point into three but so what, watching the Villa is great fun again and I’m loving it.
Also whilst I’m in such a good mood - what a great game the linesmen had. I reckon the only wrong offside call was not flagging for Ollie’s eventually disallowed goal - but understandable when you see how tight that was.
Round of applause for this.
I don’t think we should be all evangelical on here about Emery or the team, but sometimes some posters, why celebrate a hard fought important win to move us up to 4th, 2 points off the top, when you can focus on the negatives of who was shit.
So you are only allowed to be gushing with praise if we win?
I will call it as I see it thanks and have the good grace to acknowledge that others may want to comment differently.
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https://x.com/MaddersTHFC/status/1728848137840972192?s=20
Cash and Carlos should have been sent off, Gil should have had a penalty, now this should've been a penalty. There's just something about that club.
I absolutely hate Spurs, the epitome of 'all fart, no shit' and their fans are, in my experience of having met them in every day life, absolute bell ends.
Agree with all of this.
I have a number of gobshite Koreans in my classes at uni. All Spurs fans. All ******.
As their Park Ji Sung - loving, Man Utd supporting dads probably were, too.
Each class today will start with the extended highlights of Villa's win. I will be organising the seating also, and they'll all have front row seats.
Fuck 'Madders' and their 'bantz brigade' / wanky photo celebrations.
Fuck off and throw some imaginary darts if your injuries allow you to.
😂😂😂
Brilliant 🤣
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I was teaching (on a fucking Sunday) and at the end of the class made a joke about the Legia match. I had avoided the score so I could watch the match when I got home. A student came up to me after the class, lifted up his top and showed me his Spurs tattoo, saying well done you won. Happy and pissed off at the same time. I thought Kamara was brilliant
Urgh, a Spurs tattoo 😂
I hope that means he'll now be resitting the class next semester.
Kicked off the course :))
😂
That's the way.
And rightfully so.
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Anyone nitpicking about today’s game or one or two below par players should be made to watch the full 90 mins of that game at White Hart Lane when Alex McLeish was in charge, or the FA Cup game under Brucie!
Just enjoy the fact that we now go into every game with a positive approach - we’ll lose games trying to turn one point into three but so what, watching the Villa is great fun again and I’m loving it.
Also whilst I’m in such a good mood - what a great game the linesmen had. I reckon the only wrong offside call was not flagging for Ollie’s eventually disallowed goal - but understandable when you see how tight that was.
Round of applause for this.
I don’t think we should be all evangelical on here about Emery or the team, but sometimes some posters, why celebrate a hard fought important win to move us up to 4th, 2 points off the top, when you can focus on the negatives of who was shit.
So you are only allowed to be gushing with praise if we win?
I will call it as I see it thanks and have the good grace to acknowledge that others may want to comment differently.
Agreed mate.
I thought we were shit first half and massively fortunate to go in at 1-1
Emery tweaked it, and we won. Brilliant. I love seeing a proactive manager. He spotted the problems and fixed them. Superb.
Overall, we were far too passive at times, Cash should never be played out of position, Diaby looked like a cross between Drinkwater and Pires on their respective debuts etc etc
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Watkins is in the team to score goals. Yesterday he got the winner (also had one disallowed for being an inch offside) so to my way of thinking he did his job and hence had a good game.
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Yeah, he was fine. Probably should have had another but he's not going to score every time. He more than played his part.
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I think there's a fair bit of overstating how poor we were in the first half going on. We didn't play well but we also weren't conceding many chances and could've scored a couple ourselves before our goal. Their goal was a flukey deflection and the only big misses were the kulusevski one off the post and the Davies header.
As someone said yesterday it was the sort of game we've seen many times before where 1 side huffs and puffs but creates very little and then the opposition step up a level and take the points.
What we got wrong was how we tracked their fullbacks. It looked, to me, like our game plan was for Cash to drop in and make a 5 in defence but got caught between following Udogie or staying wide which left Gil with too much space. Bailey did the same job but better and also exploited the space Udogie was leaving far better. Tielemans for Diaby was a big improvement as well because he held the ball up better which bought our midfield into play in their half.
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I thought getting to HT at 1-0, we'd be able to turn it around with a HT Emery masterclass.... Turns out I was wrong, we got to HT at 1-1 and THEN turned it around with an Emery masterclass!
Next 3 league games are going to be interesting. Just hope the fanbase doesn't spit their dummy out if it doesn't all go our way. Just over 12 months ago, we were staring at another relegation battle..... Now, we're 2 points off top spot with a third of the season played?!
Trophies feel inevitable under Unai, and long may he reign! UTV
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Put on SSN at 8am to see what they said of the match. After 15mins of gushing about the ManUre goal y-day… “join us after the break to see what positives Ange can take out of the loss to (checks notes) Aston Vila”.
Nice angle to take, not how well Villa are doing to be 4th and 2 points off the top.
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Put on SSN at 8am to see what they said of the match. After 15mins of gushing about the ManUre goal y-day… “join us after the break to see what positives Ange can take out of the loss to (checks notes) Aston Vila”.
Nice angle to take, not how well Villa are doing to be 4th and 2 points off the top.
We're fourth at the end of November, which is great for us, but what do you expect the rest of the world to do beyond shrugging?
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
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We're just not expected to compete.
The evidence is there that certainly, in the case of Sky, Aston Villa are an afterthought.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just over the line.
That was my take from yesterday.
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
They hit the post and had a few chalked off.
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Yeah I thought both teams left a lot of chances out there. If Spurs get credit in defeat, we shouldn’t be slighted in victory.
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
They hit the post and had a few chalked off.
That's good defending for you.
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
They hit the post and had a few chalked off.
That's good defending for you.
You're the one citing offside goals as evidence of good play.
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They had 18 attempts
We had 15 away from home
It was no smash and grab
although the first half was as bad as people are saying maybe even worse, mainly due to the defence being crap we won’t get away with defending like that every week, missing Mings and Moreno big time
When the game shifts into midfield and attack we come into our own and are a match for anyone as the second half proved
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
They hit the post and had a few chalked off.
Having goals chalked off for offside is irrelevant when you're playing against a team that is setup to catch you offside.
They had 2 decent legal chances in the first half to go with the deflected goal.
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
They hit the post and had a few chalked off.
Having goals chalked off for offside is irrelevant when you're playing against a team that is setup to catch you offside.
They had 2 decent legal chances in the first half to go with the deflected goal.
I was arguing within the terms set by the OP.
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Pardon me for finding a positive in a win. Tough crowd.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
The same Jenas who once said he played at Villa with Jack G....he would have been around 11 at the time....clown
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I didn’t see the whole match live but watched the recording later on, having heard how we were totally under the cosh in the first half.
It wasn’t what i expected to see - yes they had more of it than we did but we too had our chances and scored. It could have been 4-4 at half time.
Not our greatest 45 minutes but hardly the Alamo.
The media distortion field that kicks in with spurs is laughable.
Oh and yeah Postecoglu seems a decent type but they’ll be eighth and calling for his head soon enough.
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I didn’t see the whole match live but watched the recording later on, having heard how we were totally under the cosh in the first half.
It wasn’t what i expected to see - yes they had more of it than we did but we too had our chances and scored. It could have been 4-4 at half time.
Not our greatest 45 minutes but hardly the Alamo.
The media distortion field that kicks in with spurs is laughable.
Oh and yeah Postecoglu seems a decent type but they’ll be eighth and calling for his head soon enough.
It was a close game to be fair and one we could've lost on another day. A real shame for the lilywhites.
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I noticed when we played them on New Year’s Day how many Korean fans there are at Spurs but saw even more yesterday - I reckon that 10% of Spurs fans yesterday were Korean - flags everywhere, train back into London packed with them as well. Europe’s largest Korean community is in SW London so not a surprise.
Also, noticed lots of Villa fans in the home end(s) as well, most of them going yampy at the final whistle.
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I didn’t see the whole match live but watched the recording later on, having heard how we were totally under the cosh in the first half.
It wasn’t what i expected to see - yes they had more of it than we did but we too had our chances and scored. It could have been 4-4 at half time.
Not our greatest 45 minutes but hardly the Alamo.
The media distortion field that kicks in with spurs is laughable.
Oh and yeah Postecoglu seems a decent type but they’ll be eighth and calling for his head soon enough.
You get an entirely different perspective watching the game back when you know the final score though.
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Put on SSN at 8am to see what they said of the match. After 15mins of gushing about the ManUre goal y-day… “join us after the break to see what positives Ange can take out of the loss to (checks notes) Aston Vila”.
Nice angle to take, not how well Villa are doing to be 4th and 2 points off the top.
We're fourth at the end of November, which is great for us, but what do you expect the rest of the world to do beyond shrugging?
It was the fact their focus was on Spuds rather than on us who actually won the match and perhaps to.talk about the great job Emery has done so for, for example.
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They certainly looked more dangerous than us first half but a lot of that was skewed by the 'no instant flag' rules, if the lino would have flagged all the offsides immediately it would have looked a more balanced half.
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No Zaniolo or Chambers in the 20. Iroegbunam in though. Didn't hear about either Z or C being injured. Does rather hint at UE's plans for January...
Zaniolo limped off during the Italy Ukraine game. Didn't look too serious but he did have what looked like an ice pack on his inner thigh after the game. Same thigh that's been taped up for several games before now. So I'd say his absence is more indication of that than of Emery's January plans.
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As well as three points, we added +3 on them in getting offside decisions as well. And it shows the difference between masters and apprentices being as their offsides were called on the pitch and VAR confirmed in seconds, and our disallowed goal was so tight, it took several minutes and Watkins having big feet to be given.
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I noticed when we played them on New Year’s Day how many Korean fans there are at Spurs but saw even more yesterday - I reckon that 10% of Spurs fans yesterday were Korean - flags everywhere, train back into London packed with them as well. Europe’s largest Korean community is in SW London so not a surprise.
Also, noticed lots of Villa fans in the home end(s) as well, most of them going yampy at the final whistle.
I was in Korea when Wolves played Spurs and the country came to standstill
Son is Bobby Charlton, Beckham and Kane rolled into one in terms of popularity
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Put on SSN at 8am to see what they said of the match. After 15mins of gushing about the ManUre goal y-day… “join us after the break to see what positives Ange can take out of the loss to (checks notes) Aston Vila”.
Nice angle to take, not how well Villa are doing to be 4th and 2 points off the top.
We're fourth at the end of November, which is great for us, but what do you expect the rest of the world to do beyond shrugging?
It was the fact their focus was on Spuds rather than on us who actually won the match and perhaps to.talk about the great job Emery has done so for, for example.
Yep, they hardly metioned us at all, just a very brief sentence of how many wins we've had in the last few games. Fuck 'em, when we beat Arsenal and Man City they'll soon start to wake up.
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Well that has upset the Sky love in with Spurs
Not really - by and large the way it’s being discussed you’d either think they’d won or we had absolutely robbed them.
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Didn't we repeatedly catch Son offside in the last game at VP aswell?
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Three wins against them this calendar year, two in their own back yard and also two with Saint Harry still playing for them.
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Having had a quick rubberneck at their forum, apparently Cash did a number on Doherty in a previous game which is why they now think he's the reincarnation of Pat Van Den Hauwe after the Bentancur stuff.
Anyone remember that?
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"I don't suppose you want ME at your party."
That's right, and it's not to do with any preconceived bias, it's because you're the kind of person who says, "I don't suppose you want ME at your party."
I preferred it when we were shit.
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I didn’t see the whole match live but watched the recording later on, having heard how we were totally under the cosh in the first half.
It wasn’t what i expected to see - yes they had more of it than we did but we too had our chances and scored. It could have been 4-4 at half time.
Not our greatest 45 minutes but hardly the Alamo.
The media distortion field that kicks in with spurs is laughable.
Oh and yeah Postecoglu seems a decent type but they’ll be eighth and calling for his head soon enough.
You get an entirely different perspective watching the game back when you know the final score though.
Absolutely. I watched the AZ home leg twice and thought we were much better the second time.
Yesterday I was watching the first twenty minutes on my phone on my way home from work and I thought we looked absolutely terrible. I still think we were lucky not to be too far behind (not behind at all actually) at half-time. Great second half though.
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Having had a quick rubberneck at their forum, apparently Cash did a number on Doherty in a previous game which is why they now think he's the reincarnation of Pat Van Den Hauwe after the Bentancur stuff.
Anyone remember that?
Nice Guy Son actually did pretty much end Gomes career with an horriffic challenge, but yeah, poor old Spurs.
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
They hit the post and had a few chalked off.
Having goals chalked off for offside is irrelevant when you're playing against a team that is setup to catch you offside.
They had 2 decent legal chances in the first half to go with the deflected goal.
I was arguing within the terms set by the OP.
I know, I'm just pointing out that their offsides weren't unlucky we played for it and caught them out, none of them were even close.
Ours was different, Ollie was done because his knee was half an inch too far forward, just a slightly different phase of his stride and that goal stands.
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I dont agree. We were lucky to have only conceded one in that first half but it's not as if it was a smash and grab. We scored two, had one disallowed, Torres and Watkins should have had another one each and we hit the post.
They hit the post and had a few chalked off.
Having goals chalked off for offside is irrelevant when you're playing against a team that is setup to catch you offside.
They had 2 decent legal chances in the first half to go with the deflected goal.
I was arguing within the terms set by the OP.
I know, I'm just pointing out that their offsides weren't unlucky we played for it and caught them out, none of them were even close.
Ours was different, Ollie was done because his knee was half an inch too far forward, just a slightly different phase of his stride and that goal stands.
Their late Son one was fairly equivalent to that. We're not pushing up to try and play anyone offside when Porro's shot comes back off the post, a couple of inches forward or backward for Son or for Digne and that one would have counted.
Agree on the others though.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
that ****** should stick to daytime TV
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To make the focus on Spurs injuries even worse MOTD mentioned a couple of times that Villa had the unchanged line up week to week without realising - or if they did not caring - was that was because were without so many players
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Having had a quick rubberneck at their forum, apparently Cash did a number on Doherty in a previous game which is why they now think he's the reincarnation of Pat Van Den Hauwe after the Bentancur stuff.
Anyone remember that?
Yep. Somebody on here was arguing that it was a Ben Mee type scissor tackle, when it was nothing of the sort.
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i kind of knew this would happen, in the sense that we would win there and get absolutely no credit for it.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
that ****** should stick to daytime TV
I hope you mean just watching it
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Their late Son one was fairly equivalent to that. We're not pushing up to try and play anyone offside when Porro's shot comes back off the post, a couple of inches forward or backward for Son or for Digne and that one would have counted.
Agree on the others though.
True but we were still playing for it, our defence all stepped forward as the ball got to Porro and left Son off, it was a bit closer because Digne was a bit slow getting out but we were still trying to trap them.
Ours they were running with him and had no idea whether he was on or off it was just a chance of timing that his knee was up and the defenders wasn't.
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i kind of knew this would happen, in the sense that we would win there and get absolutely no credit for it.
We got three points though, which is kind of why we went there.
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i kind of knew this would happen, in the sense that we would win there and get absolutely no credit for it.
Isn't 3 points enough credit for it? Level on points with 3rd place Liverpool is worth more to me than someone on MOTD wanking themselves blind over us.
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Didn't feel like it by the flow of the game and thinking about the chances created but we actually had a slightly higher xG than Tottenham.
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I sort of get the point but I don't really care about credit for being 4th after 13 games. I want us to keep doing what we're doing and leave them with no choice but to give us credit when we're top 4 after 33 games.
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Yeah i suppose it doesn't matter that the pundits don't fawn over us . Hopefully we have really dented the myth about Ange Ball though which looks very Bielsa 2019
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I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.
That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January.
Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.
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I sort of get the point but I don't really care about credit for being 4th after 13 games. I want us to keep doing what we're doing and leave them with no choice but to give us credit when we're top 4 after 33 games.
In specific reference to MOTD2 last night, it wasn't really getting credit for being 4th as such, it was more that they spent a good ten minutes analysing the Spurs play and their injuries, and virtually nothing about us, the team that after all, had won the bloody game.
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I didn't notice the murder Cash perpetrated on Bentancur during the game. I've seen it back and, thoughts/prayers aside, it's just a swipe. The kind of swipe you see in every game at every level, every week. It's a booking, thats it.
I thought we bought into their silly tempo first half and let it rattle us a bit. We're the crocodile. Quite happy to sit, idle, 2 beats per minute, waiting for a moment to accelerate that heart rate to 200 bpm to cut you open, death roll in behind your defence and if that doesn't work, settle back down.
Spurs are 100mph and they do play some neat interchanges around the box. Nothing of the quality of our 2nd mind and while I can appreciate Spurs are a good side, probably made better by Maddison, they're hardly a reincarnation of mid-70s Holland.
They can't defend for one. Not helped by injuries yes. Or selection. Every cross that went in their box, we should have scored. Their manager happy to sacrifice some height and coordination, so they could play a higher line to squeeze and congest the space.
There's something quite satisfying about a side having to take a moral victory against us. Spurs have ended their trophy drought by clinching the "I was there when we went in at half time winning 1-1 against Aston Villa" trophy.
They actually didn't have as many chances as you think, given they skied a lot and those were offside. None of their offside goals were even close to being level I thought, so it.lacked any drama. Still, they pinged it around and pressed us well.
Then Bailey and Tielemans came on, the later being the best player on the pitch and a measure of control emerged. They looked vulnerable on the break. Great 2nd goal for us. Should have had a third.
Emi made a pair of good saves and that was it really, as they were knackered. Good win.
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Three wins against them this calendar year, two in their own back yard and also two with Saint Harry still playing for them.
Thats a great stat especially as post O'Neill we seemed to be cannon fodder for them
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I didn't notice the murder Cash perpetrated on Bentancur during the game. I've seen it back and, thoughts/prayers aside, it's just a swipe. The kind of swipe you see in every game at every level, every week. It's a booking, thats it.
I thought we bought into their silly tempo first half and let it rattle us a bit. We're the crocodile. Quite happy to sit, idle, 2 beats per minute, waiting for a moment to accelerate that heart rate to 200 bpm to cut you open, death roll in behind your defence and if that doesn't work, settle back down.
Spurs are 100mph and they do play some neat interchanges around the box. Nothing of the quality of our 2nd mind and while I can appreciate Spurs are a good side, probably made better by Maddison, they're hardly a reincarnation of mid-70s Holland.
They can't defend for one. Not helped by injuries yes. Or selection. Every cross that went in their box, we should have scored. Their manager happy to sacrifice some height and coordination, so they could play a higher line to squeeze and congest the space.
There's something quite satisfying about a side having to take a moral victory against us. Spurs have ended their trophy drought by clinching the "I was there when we went in at half time winning 1-1 against Aston Villa" trophy.
They actually didn't have as many chances as you think, given they skied a lot and those were offside. None of their offside goals were even close to being level I thought, so it.lacked any drama. Still, they pinged it around and pressed us well.
Then Bailey and Tielemans came on, the later being the best player on the pitch and a measure of control emerged. They looked vulnerable on the break. Great 2nd goal for us. Should have had a third.
Emi made a pair of good saves and that was it really, as they were knackered. Good win.
Come on now mate, they've been Champions of August two seasons running.
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I think fans of all clubs get a bit precious when they perceive the media aren't absolutely fawning over their club 100% of the time. I think in general the media have been highly complimentary about us this season. Its not worth getting in a tizzy about in my opinion
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So many salty Spurs fans. Of course they NEVER took the piss all those years they wiped floor with us post O Neill. I find the modern day football fan has extremely short memories or lack of knowledge concerning the past. Spurs fans may forget we constantly destroyed them in the 90s while I frequently get looks from other fans questioning why on earth I would "pick" the Villa. When we signed Diaby I had young Crystal Palace fans - Palace of all people - wondering how on earth we managed to sign Diaby and Torres. The other week a foreign "Brighton fan" delivery man wondered what badge that was on my shirt. He'd forgotten the last day off last season and the 6-1 clearly I pointed out to him I supported the team from my region of birth as.opposed.to just picking someone.
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Who was the Villa player hauled down in the box all those years ago and lost his shorts in the process yet the referee played on? They forget stuff like that.
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Who was the Villa player hauled down in the box all those years ago and lost his shorts in the process yet the referee played on? They forget stuff like that.
Nicklas Helenius
edit- who actually seems to have carved out a decent career. Top-scorer in the Danish Superliga a couple of seasons back.
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Great to see Spurs so gracious in defeat
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Anyone nitpicking about today’s game or one or two below par players should be made to watch the full 90 mins of that game at White Hart Lane when Alex McLeish was in charge, or the FA Cup game under Brucie!
Just enjoy the fact that we now go into every game with a positive approach - we’ll lose games trying to turn one point into three but so what, watching the Villa is great fun again and I’m loving it.
Also whilst I’m in such a good mood - what a great game the linesmen had. I reckon the only wrong offside call was not flagging for Ollie’s eventually disallowed goal - but understandable when you see how tight that was.
Round of applause for this.
I don’t think we should be all evangelical on here about Emery or the team, but sometimes some posters, why celebrate a hard fought important win to move us up to 4th, 2 points off the top, when you can focus on the negatives of who was shit.
So you are only allowed to be gushing with praise if we win?
I will call it as I see it thanks and have the good grace to acknowledge that others may want to comment differently.
Thats fine call it as you see it. I did post about the set up in the first half, particularly as i saw it the issue that Konsa is a better CB than Carlos, Cash a better RB than Konsa etc, so in my view it was a problem in the first half.
There is nothing wrong with being critical in victory, but just seems a bit strange to me, critiques being the main focal point in some posts when we’ve won and are now so close to the top of the league. But as ever each to their own.
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It's funny to think how much of a season can be defined by one game. I think Spurs playing like lunatics when down to 9 men against Chelsea will be the one that defines their season. They could have gotten something out of that game if they'd had sense. They would have been insufferable to listen to, but I think their games since would have gone differently.
Anyway, it all worked out well for us, so I'm not complaining.
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I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.
That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January.
Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.
The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.
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I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.
That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January.
Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.
The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.
Moreno is a must start for me, particularly away from home if we continue with the high line. Digne has been good this season but Moreno is much quicker and that is crucial to the way that we want to play
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I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.
That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January.
Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.
The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.
Moreno is a must start for me, particularly away from home if we continue with the high line. Digne has been good this season but Moreno is much quicker and that is crucial to the way that we want to play
harsh on Digne that , he's been superb for weeks now
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I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.
That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January.
Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.
The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.
Moreno is a must start for me, particularly away from home if we continue with the high line. Digne has been good this season but Moreno is much quicker and that is crucial to the way that we want to play
harsh on Digne that , he's been superb for weeks now
I agree that Digne has done very well. However, (and its only my opinion and ultimately its Emery's that counts) I feel that with the high line we play, Moreno's recovery pace is better suited to it than Digne, particularly away from home as I stated. It's a nice headache to have 2 high quality LB's that offer different things.
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away.
Burnley away?
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away.
Burnley away?
Yes of course, sorry, in my head I'd typed "other than Burnley away."
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A Spurs supporting mate (a decent one) is putting their defeat mainly down to news of El Tel's demise earlier in the day. "It clearly affected them" was what he said. I didn't have the heart to say to him "that's complete and utter bollocks". I very much doubt any of their non English players gave it a thought. More than likely the English players too wouldn't have been overly bothered.
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I watched the game really late not knowing the score , getting wound up by the commentator going on about their injuries , no mention of Mings , Emi, JJ and Moreno who we havent had since day 1 .
And at one point he mentioned their injuries which went something like this , Spurs who are missing Maddison , Van DE Vay , Sessegnon , Saar , Solomon , Richarlison , Ashley Phillips , Hoddle , Gazza , Bale , Anderton , Stephen Carr , Derek the programme seller , Rochelle who sells the burgers , Malcolm who normally brings me in the taxi , My auntie Maureen etc etc .....
I thought shut the fuck up ..
Anyway great win , not the best performance but a win is awin and thats a bloody good one UTV
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A Spurs supporting mate (a decent one) is putting their defeat mainly down to news of El Tel's demise earlier in the day. "It clearly affected them" was what he said. I didn't have the heart to say to him "that's complete and utter bollocks". I very much doubt any of their non English players gave it a thought. More than likely the English players too wouldn't have been overly bothered.
sounds like they are clutching at straws. Next they'll be blaming the weather
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I watched the game really late not knowing the score , getting wound up by the commentator going on about their injuries , no mention of Mings , Emi, JJ and Moreno who we havent had since day 1 .
And at one point he mentioned their injuries which went something like this , Spurs who are missing Maddison , Van DE Vay , Sessegnon , Saar , Solomon , Richarlison , Ashley Phillips , Hoddle , Gazza , Bale , Anderton , Stephen Carr , Derek the programme seller , Rochelle who sells the burgers , Malcolm who normally brings me in the taxi , My auntie Maureen etc etc .....
I thought shut the fuck up ..
Anyway great win , not the best performance but a win is awin and thats a bloody good one UTV
Yep, all the talk of their players missing does seem to skirt over the fact that 2 were suspended through their own indiscipline and of the injuries only 2 are players who'd be regular starters for them.
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.
Yes, totally agree. My son and I were raging all first half about the way Konsa was being exposed because Cash was on walkabout in midfield. For an ex-winger, he is seemingly unable to beat a man on the outside (perhaps why he moved to RB) and was a spare part yesterday. I don't really know why Emery changed the team from that which started last time - if it was to counter the inside runs from Udogie, why change the defensive structure when he could simply have deployed McGinn to deal with it (and have Tielemans over on the left).
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I watched the game really late not knowing the score , getting wound up by the commentator going on about their injuries , no mention of Mings , Emi, JJ and Moreno who we havent had since day 1 .
And at one point he mentioned their injuries which went something like this , Spurs who are missing Maddison , Van DE Vay , Sessegnon , Saar , Solomon , Richarlison , Ashley Phillips , Hoddle , Gazza , Bale , Anderton , Stephen Carr , Derek the programme seller , Rochelle who sells the burgers , Malcolm who normally brings me in the taxi , My auntie Maureen etc etc .....
I thought shut the fuck up ..
Anyway great win , not the best performance but a win is awin and thats a bloody good one UTV
Yep, all the talk of their players missing does seem to skirt over the fact that 2 were suspended through their own indiscipline and of the injuries only 2 are players who'd be regular starters for them.
It was the Ashley Philips which made me laugh , I turned round to my lad and said who ? Wtf ?
who the fuck is this world class superstar Ashley Philips . I was actually waiting for the loss of Harry Kane too.
The ref gave them everything too.
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.
Yes, totally agree. My son and I were raging all first half about the way Konsa was being exposed because Cash was on walkabout in midfield. For an ex-winger, he is seemingly unable to beat a man on the outside (perhaps why he moved to RB) and was a spare part yesterday. I don't really know why Emery changed the team from that which started last time - if it was to counter the inside runs from Udogie, why change the defensive structure when he could simply have deployed McGinn to deal with it (and have Tielemans over on the left).
It was about Udogie but Cash just didn't know what to do. All that needed to happen was for Konsa to cut in tight and Cash to mark Gil but Cash kept following Udogie and getting caught doing nothing, leaving Gil with half the pitch to play in (but thankfully he's really shit so whilst it looked scary nothing much came from it. I suspect Cash was in there because he was worried that McGinn would do exactly what Cash did. Bailey worked because he just hugged that touchline and got back to press Gil, who disappeared so far into his pocket that they subbed him off to make room for Johnson in there.
On Cash he isn't particularly skilful running with the ball but he times his run as well as anyone, which is why he's so dangerous from fullback. Yesterday he was too high up the pitch so every pass was having to be into feet rather than in space in front of him, and that just forces him to come backwards and recycle possession.
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Media guilty of a Strawman fallacy over Spurs' injuries.
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.
It would be something if Carlos had a big lump of a centre forward to man mark. But up against Son it made no sense. Konsa is rubbish at RB too and we badly miss his pace in the middle when he ain't there. Couldn't believe it when I saw the starting line up. Gave Spurs far too much respect and should have paid for it really in that first half.
I can't recall how quick he was before his injury but Carlos is truly glacial these days on the turn. It's not ideal when three of our four fit centre backs can't run. He did well at Burnley but I don't think he's impressed otherwise this season. Ben Davies definitely shouldn't be beating him in the air either. Think CB is a position we will look to strengthen, if not in Jan then definitely in the summer.
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I thought DC was comfortably our best centre-half yesterday, particularly in the first half when we had all that defending to do.
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I thought DC was comfortably our best centre-half yesterday, particularly in the first half when we had all that defending to do.
Me too, looked like he was rock solid from my view in the away end.
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We were guilty of not bothering to mark Gil in the 1st half, luckily despite the freedom of North London he did very little of note with the ball
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We were guilty of not bothering to mark Gil in the 1st half, luckily despite the freedom of North London he did very little of note with the ball
He is all fart , a proper Spurs player
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After a night's reflection, I propose that we all show solidarity with Spurs, whose tragic loss of players through suspension and injury, plus repeated stress due to regular offside decisions leading to disallowed goals, combined with unenviable profligacy in front of goal has led to the loss of another three points.
Perhaps a minute's silence for the Tottingham at all Premier League games next week would be in order.
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We're just not expected to compete.
The evidence is there that certainly, in the case of Sky, Aston Villa are an afterthought.
We are a little like Leicester in that regard. Everyone expected them to fall away but they stuck around and won it all in the end. Man City are far different proposition to Spurs back in 2015/2016, AKA our relegation season. But it would be beyond fucking ace to just be in the conversation come May with a chance to win it.
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Let's just enjoy the PL table shall we?
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I expect Man City will run away with it again. They've got a ridiculous squad and still De Bruyne to come back. We need to get to January still in the hunt for the top 4 then get a couple of new recruits in and see if we can last the pace.
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Highlights on Sky at 1pm
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.
Yes, totally agree. My son and I were raging all first half about the way Konsa was being exposed because Cash was on walkabout in midfield. For an ex-winger, he is seemingly unable to beat a man on the outside (perhaps why he moved to RB) and was a spare part yesterday. I don't really know why Emery changed the team from that which started last time - if it was to counter the inside runs from Udogie, why change the defensive structure when he could simply have deployed McGinn to deal with it (and have Tielemans over on the left).
It was about Udogie but Cash just didn't know what to do. All that needed to happen was for Konsa to cut in tight and Cash to mark Gil but Cash kept following Udogie and getting caught doing nothing, leaving Gil with half the pitch to play in (but thankfully he's really shit so whilst it looked scary nothing much came from it. I suspect Cash was in there because he was worried that McGinn would do exactly what Cash did. Bailey worked because he just hugged that touchline and got back to press Gil, who disappeared so far into his pocket that they subbed him off to make room for Johnson in there.
On Cash he isn't particularly skilful running with the ball but he times his run as well as anyone, which is why he's so dangerous from fullback. Yesterday he was too high up the pitch so every pass was having to be into feet rather than in space in front of him, and that just forces him to come backwards and recycle possession.
Good analysis, Paul. Yes, it did look scary the space Gil had, but as you say it didn't amount to anything.
As others have pointed out, watching live it was pretty hairy but it you knew the score and watched the highlights it wasn't.
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The bigger problem for me is Cash at wide right and Konsa at right back. It just hasn't worked in any game I can recall, ie Liverpool, Wolves, Forest or now Spurs away. It takes away Cash's pace at right back, and we don't benefit from having him further forward because he's not very good there. Also Diego Carlos isnt as good next to Torres as Konsa is. Hopefully if Ramsey is properly fit soon Emery can consign this idea to the bin where it belongs.
It would be something if Carlos had a big lump of a centre forward to man mark. But up against Son it made no sense. Konsa is rubbish at RB too and we badly miss his pace in the middle when he ain't there. Couldn't believe it when I saw the starting line up. Gave Spurs far too much respect and should have paid for it really in that first half.
I can't recall how quick he was before his injury but Carlos is truly glacial these days on the turn. It's not ideal when three of our four fit centre backs can't run. He did well at Burnley but I don't think he's impressed otherwise this season. Ben Davies definitely shouldn't be beating him in the air either. Think CB is a position we will look to strengthen, if not in Jan then definitely in the summer.
Yeah Carlos is a big worry for me. Don't feel confident with him in the line-up at all.
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Konsa I think is a perfectly fine right-back option, it's just what moving him means right now weakens the team too much. If it were Torres and Mings inside then that would be a different prospect, but that's not available right now.
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Konsa I think is a perfectly fine right-back option, it's just what moving him means right now weakens the team too much. If it were Torres and Mings inside then that would be a different prospect, but that's not available right now.
He's not as quick as Cash, and we miss him in the middle. And it's not like we gain anything positive from moving him. Let's just agree to never mention it again Unai!
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I genuinely think it makes perfect sense with Mings in there. He's stronger in the tackle and off the ball than Cash, shuffles over into the three with infinitely more naturalness, and honestly has a more sound technique when passing into midfield. But as things stand, yeah, we completely need him in the middle.
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I think DC is still settling in, understandably.
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I expect Man City will run away with it again. They've got a ridiculous squad and still De Bruyne to come back. We need to get to January still in the hunt for the top 4 then get a couple of new recruits in and see if we can last the pace.
Think if Rodri gets booked next match, he misses their game against us.
Mind you, we are in the same boat with Douglas.
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Cash has had a bit of a battering for his performance but in fairness its him winning the free kick that lead to the Torres goal. So credit where it's due.
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We're the crocodile. Quite happy to sit, idle, 2 beats per minute, waiting for a moment to accelerate that heart rate to 200 bpm to cut you open, death roll in behind your defence and if that doesn't work, settle back down.
That is a fabulous analogy and sums us up perfectly
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
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We're the crocodile. Quite happy to sit, idle, 2 beats per minute, waiting for a moment to accelerate that heart rate to 200 bpm to cut you open, death roll in behind your defence and if that doesn't work, settle back down.
That is a fabulous analogy and sums us up perfectly
Agree, I enjoyed that very much.
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I didn't notice the murder Cash perpetrated on Bentancur during the game. I've seen it back and, thoughts/prayers aside, it's just a swipe. The kind of swipe you see in every game at every level, every week. It's a booking, thats it.
I thought we bought into their silly tempo first half and let it rattle us a bit. We're the crocodile. Quite happy to sit, idle, 2 beats per minute, waiting for a moment to accelerate that heart rate to 200 bpm to cut you open, death roll in behind your defence and if that doesn't work, settle back down.
Spurs are 100mph and they do play some neat interchanges around the box. Nothing of the quality of our 2nd mind and while I can appreciate Spurs are a good side, probably made better by Maddison, they're hardly a reincarnation of mid-70s Holland.
They can't defend for one. Not helped by injuries yes. Or selection. Every cross that went in their box, we should have scored. Their manager happy to sacrifice some height and coordination, so they could play a higher line to squeeze and congest the space.
There's something quite satisfying about a side having to take a moral victory against us. Spurs have ended their trophy drought by clinching the "I was there when we went in at half time winning 1-1 against Aston Villa" trophy.
They actually didn't have as many chances as you think, given they skied a lot and those were offside. None of their offside goals were even close to being level I thought, so it.lacked any drama. Still, they pinged it around and pressed us well.
Then Bailey and Tielemans came on, the later being the best player on the pitch and a measure of control emerged. They looked vulnerable on the break. Great 2nd goal for us. Should have had a third.
Emi made a pair of good saves and that was it really, as they were knackered. Good win.
Come on now mate, they've been Champions of August two seasons running.
Champions of August, we'll never sing that!
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
"No-one is looking at his team now and thinking 'this is Spurs', because they are so depleted - and I am still confident about their chances of making the top four when they get their players fit.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Salty twat.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
"No-one is looking at his team now and thinking 'this is Spurs', because they are so depleted - and I am still confident about their chances of making the top four when they get their players fit.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Salty twat.
A biased prick, but likely the next presenter of MOTD so get used to it. :(
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
"No-one is looking at his team now and thinking 'this is Spurs', because they are so depleted - and I am still confident about their chances of making the top four when they get their players fit.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Salty twat.
He's a better looking Alan Partridge, without any of the humour. A man that I find impossible to like.
As for who will finish higher, well, we'll see won't we.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Its not that outlandish a comment though, they should have been out of sight by half time.
But it was very Spursy.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Its not that outlandish a comment though, they should have been out of sight by half time.
But it was very Spursy.
It's not outlandish, just wrong :-)
I was nervous but confident too, as I've come to expect with our team.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
"No-one is looking at his team now and thinking 'this is Spurs', because they are so depleted - and I am still confident about their chances of making the top four when they get their players fit.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Salty twat.
This is the same Spurs that with their full strength squad and two extra players needed a fluke OG to win at home against Liverpool.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Its not that outlandish a comment though, they should have been out of sight by half time.
But it was very Spursy.
It's not outlandish, just wrong :-)
I was nervous but confident too, as I've come to expect with our team.
It was only late in the second half when they had run out of ideas did I think we might get away with it.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
"No-one is looking at his team now and thinking 'this is Spurs', because they are so depleted - and I am still confident about their chances of making the top four when they get their players fit.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Salty twat.
He's a better looking Alan Partridge, without any of the humour. A man that I find impossible to like.
As for who will finish higher, well, we'll see won't we.
Nobody’s better-looking than Alan.
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Jenas has said that we were not that impressive and only just got over the line.
A bit like Spurs in the Champions League Final except they lost.
Jenas on the BBC.
"No-one is looking at his team now and thinking 'this is Spurs', because they are so depleted - and I am still confident about their chances of making the top four when they get their players fit.
I certainly think they will finish above Villa, who I did not think were that impressive on Sunday - they played against a second-string Spurs side and only just got over the line."
Salty twat.
How this vanilla ****** has managed to stitch himself into the fabric of the BBC is beyond a joke. Arse licking wanker
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We're the crocodile. Quite happy to sit, idle, 2 beats per minute, waiting for a moment to accelerate that heart rate to 200 bpm to cut you open, death roll in behind your defence and if that doesn't work, settle back down.
That is a fabulous analogy and sums us up perfectly
I’ve been thinking lately that Emery likes control in games, but not just positionally - a lot of it is about tempo. We do a lot of ‘slow, slow, fast’ (when we control a start point such as a goal kick), and ‘fast, slow, fast (when we regain possession in our own half, we often make 3 or 4 rapid passes, then actually slow the play down before speeding up again).
I’m guessing it’s partly to ensure that players are in position to cover counter-attacks should we lose the ball, thus maintaining some sort of control over proceedings.
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The way some of them are calling Matty Cash out as a 'thug' is bizarre.
5 full pages of them calling him a ******.
https://thefightingcock.co.uk/forum/threads/spurs-v-villa-sunday-26-nov-2pm.48751/page-45
It wasn't even a remotely dirty tackle. Just a bog standard yellow.
I'm glad they're angry because I don't like them. I hope they are singing their slow shite song and crying into their pillows.
I'm in my later 40s and should know better.
I think they wanted a red for every player in the squad, along with half the youth team, going by that match thread.
Fucking morons.
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I hear that Ange Postecoglu is going on Celebrity Bake off next week to showcase his signature dish, the Spurs Crumble.
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
They were only missing 4 of their regular starting 11.
2 of them were suspended.
No one has claimed we put out a b team against Liverpool but we had just as many injuries for that game, and lost a player to injury early on as well.
It's an excuse to explain how 'little' villa went away and beat the mighty spurs and their all-conquering super manager who is revolutionising the entire sport.
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Yeah we actually went into this with at least 4 if not 5 first-teamers missing from the first XI (two were on the bench, one came on for a cameo).
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I don’t think it’s fair to blame Ange for the entire concept of Spurs. He seems like a decent bloke, and he’s pretty good at his job.
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
They were only missing 4 of their regular starting 11.
2 of them were suspended.
No one has claimed we put out a b team against Liverpool but we had just as many injuries for that game, and lost a player to injury early on as well.
It's an excuse to explain how 'little' villa went away and beat the mighty spurs and their all-conquering super manager who is revolutionising the entire sport.
From that quote and with no other context for it given, he's talking about Spurs being without some key players and still performing well. Which is factually correct.
We won. We got 3 points. We leapfrogged them in the table. We're now level with 3rd place. Who f**king cares what Jermaine Jenas has to say? The fact that so many on here seem to be actively seeking his opinions out today should tell you exactly why they all talk a load of shite on a regular basis. Engagement = money.
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There is a media narrative on this and that is Spurs have an injury crisis and that is all they want to hear
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
They were only missing 4 of their regular starting 11.
2 of them were suspended.
No one has claimed we put out a b team against Liverpool but we had just as many injuries for that game, and lost a player to injury early on as well.
It's an excuse to explain how 'little' villa went away and beat the mighty spurs and their all-conquering super manager who is revolutionising the entire sport.
From that quote and with no other context for it given, he's talking about Spurs being without some key players and still performing well. Which is factually correct.
We won. We got 3 points. We leapfrogged them in the table. We're now level with 3rd place. Who f**king cares what Jermaine Jenas has to say? The fact that so many on here seem to be actively seeking his opinions out today should tell you exactly why they all talk a load of shite on a regular basis. Engagement = money.
He is implying we beat their B TEAM !! Salty whinging prick
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
They were only missing 4 of their regular starting 11.
2 of them were suspended.
No one has claimed we put out a b team against Liverpool but we had just as many injuries for that game, and lost a player to injury early on as well.
It's an excuse to explain how 'little' villa went away and beat the mighty spurs and their all-conquering super manager who is revolutionising the entire sport.
From that quote and with no other context for it given, he's talking about Spurs being without some key players and still performing well. Which is factually correct.
We won. We got 3 points. We leapfrogged them in the table. We're now level with 3rd place. Who f**king cares what Jermaine Jenas has to say? The fact that so many on here seem to be actively seeking his opinions out today should tell you exactly why they all talk a load of shite on a regular basis. Engagement = money.
He is implying we beat their B TEAM !! Salty whinging prick
And we were all laughing and celebrating on here after the last game because they would be without so many players for the game against us. But now we've won they were somehow almost full strength?
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
They were only missing 4 of their regular starting 11.
2 of them were suspended.
No one has claimed we put out a b team against Liverpool but we had just as many injuries for that game, and lost a player to injury early on as well.
It's an excuse to explain how 'little' villa went away and beat the mighty spurs and their all-conquering super manager who is revolutionising the entire sport.
From that quote and with no other context for it given, he's talking about Spurs being without some key players and still performing well. Which is factually correct.
We won. We got 3 points. We leapfrogged them in the table. We're now level with 3rd place. Who f**king cares what Jermaine Jenas has to say? The fact that so many on here seem to be actively seeking his opinions out today should tell you exactly why they all talk a load of shite on a regular basis. Engagement = money.
He is implying we beat their B TEAM !! Salty whinging prick
And we were all laughing and celebrating on here after the last game because they would be without so many players for the game against us. But now we've won they were somehow almost full strength?
They were missing 4 normal starters. Same as us . B Team , my arse
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
They were only missing 4 of their regular starting 11.
2 of them were suspended.
No one has claimed we put out a b team against Liverpool but we had just as many injuries for that game, and lost a player to injury early on as well.
It's an excuse to explain how 'little' villa went away and beat the mighty spurs and their all-conquering super manager who is revolutionising the entire sport.
From that quote and with no other context for it given, he's talking about Spurs being without some key players and still performing well. Which is factually correct.
We won. We got 3 points. We leapfrogged them in the table. We're now level with 3rd place. Who f**king cares what Jermaine Jenas has to say? The fact that so many on here seem to be actively seeking his opinions out today should tell you exactly why they all talk a load of shite on a regular basis. Engagement = money.
As I've said earlier I don't particularly care if the press want to underestimate us or ignore us for now, our job is to shove that in their face in 6months time and make them realise they were wrong. However I can't accept the claim that he's not wrong, he is, it's bullshit, they've got 2 suspensions for being dirty fucks, they got 2 starters out injured, a couple of regular subs missing and a handful of squad filler out. That's not a b team and it's nothing to sulk about or use for excuses. A genuine injury crisis is the sort of things we had under Houllier where we had 12-13 players at once and could barely field a team.
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...they got 2 starters out injured
I'd be inclined to give them Richarlison as well as Maddison and Van de Valk. He'd started pretty much every game before he got injured.
You're still right though, they don't get to whinge about Romero and Bissouma in the slightest.
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...they got 2 starters out injured
I'd be inclined to give them Richarlison as well as Maddison and Van de Valk. He'd started pretty much every game before he got injured.
You're still right though, they don't get to whinge about Romero and Bissouma in the slightest.
Yeah, Richarlison is a tough one, is he any better than Johnson or Kulusevski? I'm not sure so I don't think him being out weakens them to the extent that Maddison does.
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I’m trying to find evidence from scanning sports radio and podcasts that we won yesterday. I have seen and heard lots of Spurs losing and threw it away unluckily. Can someone direct me to a place where they commend Villa without it being tempered by the opponent allowing us to win.
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...they got 2 starters out injured
I'd be inclined to give them Richarlison as well as Maddison and Van de Valk. He'd started pretty much every game before he got injured.
You're still right though, they don't get to whinge about Romero and Bissouma in the slightest.
Yeah, Richarlison is a tough one, is he any better than Johnson or Kulusevski? I'm not sure so I don't think him being out weakens them to the extent that Maddison does.
And so many of our issues loop back to losing Mings 20 minutes into the season. We've obviously recovered by now, but it absolutely took time!
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...they got 2 starters out injured
I'd be inclined to give them Richarlison as well as Maddison and Van de Valk. He'd started pretty much every game before he got injured.
You're still right though, they don't get to whinge about Romero and Bissouma in the slightest.
Yeah, Richarlison is a tough one, is he any better than Johnson or Kulusevski? I'm not sure so I don't think him being out weakens them to the extent that Maddison does.
Having had a read of the post-match thread on a Spurs site, they seem to think that sticking Terry Venables out wide would still be more use than Johnson. They definitely don't seem to be impressed by what he's brought so far.
Think it also means they can stick Son a bit wider, where he's more effective rather than asking him to play as a centre-forward.
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'Spurs were without their instrumental playmaker Chas and therefore Villa's victory needs to be put in context.'
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I’m trying to find evidence from scanning sports radio and podcasts that we won yesterday. I have seen and heard lots of Spurs losing and threw it away unluckily. Can someone direct me to a place where they commend Villa without it being tempered by the opponent allowing us to win.
Matt Lay Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/11/26/tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa-live-latest-score/
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I’m trying to find evidence from scanning sports radio and podcasts that we won yesterday. I have seen and heard lots of Spurs losing and threw it away unluckily. Can someone direct me to a place where they commend Villa without it being tempered by the opponent allowing us to win.
Matt Lay Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/11/26/tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa-live-latest-score/
Yes read that already. It still needed to feature we beat injury ravaged Spurs. Yet nobody has mentioned the 4 starting players we have been without all season.
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...they got 2 starters out injured
I'd be inclined to give them Richarlison as well as Maddison and Van de Valk. He'd started pretty much every game before he got injured.
You're still right though, they don't get to whinge about Romero and Bissouma in the slightest.
Yeah, Richarlison is a tough one, is he any better than Johnson or Kulusevski? I'm not sure so I don't think him being out weakens them to the extent that Maddison does.
Having had a read of the post-match thread on a Spurs site, they seem to think that sticking Terry Venables out wide would still be more use than Johnson. They definitely don't seem to be impressed by what he's brought so far.
Think it also means they can stick Son a bit wider, where he's more effective rather than asking him to play as a centre-forward.
Fair enough, I can't say I've watched them enough and, even giving them Richarlison as a regular starter (for a team that thinks they can challenge for the title, yikes) it's still only 3 'real' first team players lost to injury.
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Our injury situation isn't the same as theirs though because we bought 2 fantastic players in over the summer, and we had a perfectly good player in Digne. Ramsey was the only one we had to mess around a bit to figure out how to replace.
If we had got to this point in the season and lost 5 players, for whatever reason, we'd be struggling too. We could very well face into Man City or Arsenal without Cash, Digne and Luiz, and given the amount of games we have to play over the next few weeks, an injury to someone isn't impossible either. And then every game we play, and every result we get, will revolve around the narrative that we're missing half the team.
It feels like some people want the media to be falling over themselves to praise us for getting to 4th without 4 players (despite the fact 3 had ready replacements) but don't want to acknowledge the fact Spurs are
now playing a few games with a seriously depleted team.
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On the Sky commentary yesterday at the start of the 2nd half the prick commentating said Spurs were down to "bare bones"
I think they sensed a loss was incoming at this stage
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Apart from David dart thrower, who else was out for them?
He's a decent player, but he's hardly the second coming of Pele.
Son was there, and that Kulusevski. I saw their goalie and Udogie, Bentancur and Ben Davies. Who else do they have that when not playing, derails their self important rise to the dizzy heights of 4th?
They should be content with having some craft beer and the longest bar in the world.
That's their level
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I’m trying to find evidence from scanning sports radio and podcasts that we won yesterday. I have seen and heard lots of Spurs losing and threw it away unluckily. Can someone direct me to a place where they commend Villa without it being tempered by the opponent allowing us to win.
Matt Lay Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/11/26/tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa-live-latest-score/
Yes read that already. It still needed to feature we beat injury ravaged Spurs. Yet nobody has mentioned the 4 starting players we have been without all season.
5 wasnt it unless Zaniolo was rested?
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Apart from David dart thrower, who else was out for them?
He's a decent player, but he's hardly the second coming of Pele.
Son was there, and that Kulusevski. I saw their goalie and Udogie, Bentancur and Ben Davies. Who else do they have that when not playing, derails their self important rise to the dizzy heights of 4th?
They should be content with having some craft beer and the longest bar in the world.
That's their level
2 x CBs and Bissouma anyway. Dier ain't great but picking four full backs seemed ridiculous and we punished them for it. Richarlison has been brutal for them so hardly much of a loss.
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If we had got to this point in the season and lost 5 players, for whatever reason, we'd be struggling too. We could very well face into Man City or Arsenal without Cash, Digne and Luiz, and given the amount of games we have to play over the next few weeks, an injury to someone isn't impossible either. And then every game we play, and every result we get, will revolve around the narrative that we're missing half the team.
I dunno, if were to go into a match with a lineup of Martinez - Konsa - DC - Pau - Moreno - Kamara - McGinn - Tielemans - Ramsey - Diaby - Watkins, I don't think many of us would be bemoaning our terrible fortune.
I'd like to think that we'd acknowledge that's why we have a squad, in case you lose players to injury or suspension.
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Look at the cost of their starting line up as well. I don't remember us getting the amount of coverage Spurs are when we were fielding two reserve keepers.
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more verbal diaohrrea from Jenas
"On Sunday, they still managed to put in what I would call a positive performance, with what is essentially a B team".
Assuming he's talking about Spurs there, he's not wrong.
They were only missing 4 of their regular starting 11.
2 of them were suspended.
No one has claimed we put out a b team against Liverpool but we had just as many injuries for that game, and lost a player to injury early on as well.
It's an excuse to explain how 'little' villa went away and beat the mighty spurs and their all-conquering super manager who is revolutionising the entire sport.
From that quote and with no other context for it given, he's talking about Spurs being without some key players and still performing well. Which is factually correct.
We won. We got 3 points. We leapfrogged them in the table. We're now level with 3rd place. Who f**king cares what Jermaine Jenas has to say? The fact that so many on here seem to be actively seeking his opinions out today should tell you exactly why they all talk a load of shite on a regular basis. Engagement = money.
This is a good point. My kids love the Villa and we watch the TV matches together. They get up and leave the room at half time and say ‘tell me when the second half starts’. When we watch MOTD they leave to go and play their computer games when the Villa finish and I say ‘don’t you want to see what they say about us?’ and they don’t. I wish I was like that. Or maybe they just don’t like me.
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If we had got to this point in the season and lost 5 players, for whatever reason, we'd be struggling too. We could very well face into Man City or Arsenal without Cash, Digne and Luiz, and given the amount of games we have to play over the next few weeks, an injury to someone isn't impossible either. And then every game we play, and every result we get, will revolve around the narrative that we're missing half the team.
I dunno, if were to go into a match with a lineup of Martinez - Konsa - DC - Pau - Moreno - Kamara - McGinn - Tielemans - Ramsey - Diaby - Watkins, I don't think many of us would be bemoaning our terrible fortune.
I'd like to think that we'd acknowledge that's why we have a squad, in case you lose players to injury or suspension.
That lineup only missing the 3 potential suspensions? If we had 2 (new) injuries on top of that, say Bailey and Zaniolo, we've got a decent 11 to start but if things go wrong we have very few options to change things up.
Look, my only points in all this was really that I don't think our injury situation is the same as Spurs injury/suspension situation, and mainly I don't understand why so many want to spend the day after a great win trawling the internet for angry Spurs fans or dim-witted former players' opinions on it all.
But clearly some do, and me spending my time disagreeing with them all is time just as poorly spent.
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I tend to revert to 5Live post TV matches as the match commentary teams (John Murray, Pat Nevin, Ian Dennis) are much more intelligent when it comes to summaries.
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
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Look at the cost of their starting line up as well. I don't remember us getting the amount of coverage Spurs are when we were fielding two reserve keepers.
Good point. That "bare-bones" back four cost £90m. The midfield two cost £60m. The four attackers cost £110m.
Poor, hard done-by Spurs.
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Look, my only points in all this was really that I don't think our injury situation is the same as Spurs injury/suspension situation, and mainly I don't understand why so many want to spend the day after a great win trawling the internet for angry Spurs fans or dim-witted former players' opinions on it all.
I don't think our situation is anything like theirs either - but I think that if we were missing the two or three extra players on top of what we had missing anyway, that wouldn't mean we needed a whole load of sympathy or hand-wringing as to why we couldn't possibly complete. Like you're seeing from these Spurs nobbers.
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I usually turn over ad soon as our games finish.
Don't want to hear about what a bunch of Red fans that have never been North of Watford think about us.
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
It's not the same though as we've been playing without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey and Morneo all season.
If we had 5 players from the squad that's actually been playing all season suddenly miss a handful of games, it would be a concern, and certainly cause some disruption to our momentum. As it is there's endless criticism of our defensive lineup if we do anything other than a back 4 of Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne. (And even that gets criticism)
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
It's not the same though as we've been playing without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey and Morneo all season.
Isn't...isn't that worse?
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
It's not the same though as we've been playing without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey and Morneo all season.
Isn't...isn't that worse?
In terms of how we'd cope in the exact position Spurs are in it's neither better or worse, it's irrelevant.
We have a consistent starting 11 with 2 or 3 regular subs, and we've had a great start to the season, same as them. If we were to now be without 5 of those players for a handful of tough games we'd be very limited in how we could play.
The main difference is we've benefited from extra non league games and have utilised pretty much the full squad at this point so if we were suddenly without 5 players Emery wouldn't have to be experimenting in the league games to try and figure out how to deal with it. He'd have a pretty good idea of who can play where and in what combinations.
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'We've benefited from extra non league games'! And here I was hearing that we'd fall away due to our other commitments while Spurs, out of Europe, will have more left in the tank.
I appreciate what you're saying about it being neither better nor worse, but I must say the reasons you give for Spurs having it harder than us seem pretty backwards!
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
It's not the same though as we've been playing without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey and Morneo all season.
Isn't...isn't that worse?
Yeah, I'm struggling to see how them losing Van Der Ven and Maddison for 8-10 games is worse than us having lost Buendia and Mings for the entire season before half time in the first game.
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'We've benefited from extra non league games'! And here I was hearing that we'd fall away due to our other commitments while Spurs, out of Europe, will have more left in the tank.
I appreciate what you're saying about it being neither better nor worse, but I must say the reasons you give for Spurs having it harder than us seem pretty backwards!
I'm not implying they have it harder than us, I just think it's 2 different situations at this current point in the season.
And as for having extra games vs no extra games, there's positives and negatives to both. I thought at the start of the season they'd benefit from only having to focus on the league, but after watching Emery tinker with our lineup in the European games, I'd have more confidence in him having to adapt to 5 sudden absences than I would have in whatever the f**k Ange was trying to do yesterday.
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
It's not the same though as we've been playing without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey and Morneo all season.
Isn't...isn't that worse?
Yeah, I'm struggling to see how them losing Van Der Ven and Maddison for 8-10 games is worse than us having lost Buendia and Mings for the entire season before half time in the first game.
It's not like for like. First of all we had Torres and Diaby to step in for Mings and Buendia. Secondly we didn't play 12 games, build our game around them, and get to the very top of the table, and then lose them, with no quality replacements there to step in.
Losing 2 players the opening weekend is shit. Losing 2 players to injury 3 months in, in the middle of an excellent run of form and going into some big games, is also shit.
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Ha, fair, I agree with you in that we're just in two different situations. However, that also runs counter to the woe-is-Spurs narrative the media are trying to sell to the Talksport marks.
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Spurs lost because they did not take the multiple chances and attacking situations they created.
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
It's not the same though as we've been playing without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey and Morneo all season.
Isn't...isn't that worse?
Yeah, I'm struggling to see how them losing Van Der Ven and Maddison for 8-10 games is worse than us having lost Buendia and Mings for the entire season before half time in the first game.
It's not like for like. First of all we had Torres and Diaby to step in for Mings and Buendia. Secondly we didn't play 12 games, build our game around them, and get to the very top of the table, and then lose them, with no quality replacements there to step in.
Losing 2 players the opening weekend is shit. Losing 2 players to injury 3 months in, in the middle of an excellent run of form and going into some big games, is also shit.
Yeah, I guess you could say that, treating the game yesterday in isolation, we've had more chance to adjust and work around our absences than them.
I'd be much too busy saying "fuck off Tottenham" to say that myself, but it could've been a factor, I guess.
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Sorry, what was that, I missed it?
Anyway, fuck Spurs.
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Ha, fair, I agree with you in that we're just in two different situations. However, that also runs counter to the woe-is-Spurs narrative the media are trying to sell to the Talksport marks.
Yeah, well the media knows what gets clicks and as I've said, half of them today are probably coming from Villa fans who seem to want to have something to get annoyed about.
Spurs fans seem to have bought the narrative the media are pushing, Jenas included, so now instead of saying actually we're still alright without these players, and we could get a few results in this period, they're painting the brave Spurs narrative. Because honest coverage of a full season of football would be quite boring really.
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Sorry, what was that, I missed it?
Anyway, fuck Spurs.
Fuck off Tottenham.
Doesn't matter.
Fuck off Tottenham.
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So, equivalent of the two centre-backs out would be Mings and Konsa. We're half there already, so just imagine Carlos and Pau in there.
Next, Bentancur goes off, so that's Kamara being replaced by Tielemans, maybe McGinn moving inside.
After that, imagine our number ten and best wide-forward getting injured. Again, halfway there, so let's say Diaby is replaced by Bailey and - hey, shit, we did that and actually got better based on the form situation!
They still have Son, we still have Watkins. They still have Porro, we still have Doug. Etc etc. Their injuries are a bit worse than ours, but it remains incredible to me how much more attention and pity some clubs get than others.
It's not the same though as we've been playing without Mings, Buendia, Ramsey and Morneo all season.
Isn't...isn't that worse?
In terms of how we'd cope in the exact position Spurs are in it's neither better or worse, it's irrelevant.
We have a consistent starting 11 with 2 or 3 regular subs, and we've had a great start to the season, same as them. If we were to now be without 5 of those players for a handful of tough games we'd be very limited in how we could play.
The main difference is we've benefited from extra non league games and have utilised pretty much the full squad at this point so if we were suddenly without 5 players Emery wouldn't have to be experimenting in the league games to try and figure out how to deal with it. He'd have a pretty good idea of who can play where and in what combinations.
They have had three games with several players missing.
We have had a third of the season with several missing.
We started a bit rocky, but we worked out how to get results nonetheless due to our squad management.
Spurs might do the same, but I didn't hear anybody making excuses for us when we lost to Newcastle & Liverpool.
If Spurs couldn't get that squad management correct because they wanted to spunk all their money on expensive first teamers, then they only have themselves to blame.
And if they manage their injured players like the managed Bentancur yesterday, then they are getting what they deserve.
Especially when they have an extremely expensive replacement sat on the bench who actually did replace him when he went off...
Edit - I see the point you were making in the responses while I was writing. Yes, they are two different situations, but when they were similar for us at the beginning of the season while we adjusted, there was no media clamour to say we only lost to Newcastle & Liverpool because we were 4 important first teamers down, especially that whole left hand side of the pitch, where we did most of our attacking last season. I stand by my squad management point though... 👍
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I think the problem with Angeball is that it worked for the 11-13 players he had as his first choice team. Couple of injuries and suspensions come along and it seems like he hasn't bothered to figure out how best to use his full squad of 20whatever.
That's one of the benefits of European football, especially at Conference League level. Between all our non prem games this season pretty much the entire squad has had a run out. We've tried multiple combinations in defence, we've played people into form, and we've got a very clear idea of priorities for January.
Also, I think we benefited in a way from having 4 injuries to key players before the season even started. We had to dig down into the squad from the start and managed to get results and momentum. Whereas Spurs, no Europe, no need to rotate players, were being heavily reliant on certain key players, and when they're the ones missing, there's no back up.
The Beeb mentioned a stat that we have had the most consistent team for the first 13 games with I think 8 ever-present starters. They didn't state who was second but I suspect some team in the bottom half. Part of this is because we have lost the four first choice's you mentioned but also means we might have struggled if we lost a couple more. Hopefully with Ramsey and Moreno back it does mitigate the dangers.
Entirely correct- Buendia would have interchanged with Diaby as a starter, Moreno and Digne and Ramsey for the 3rd attacker when we played that. Mings for Torres/Konsa etc..
Probably 4 or 5 in realtiy.
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How are Spurs' injury problems coming along? Has Bono spoken? I hear Bob Geldof might organise a concert to raise three points for them.
Anyway, up yours Tottingham!
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Are they down to Bare Bones ?? no
Was it their B team ?? No
The media are trying to dilute the significance of our victory.
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Ha, fair, I agree with you in that we're just in two different situations. However, that also runs counter to the woe-is-Spurs narrative the media are trying to sell to the Talksport marks.
Yeah, well the media knows what gets clicks and as I've said, half of them today are probably coming from Villa fans who seem to want to have something to get annoyed about.
Spurs fans seem to have bought the narrative the media are pushing, Jenas included, so now instead of saying actually we're still alright without these players, and we could get a few results in this period, they're painting the brave Spurs narrative. Because honest coverage of a full season of football would be quite boring really.
That's not it for me, my issue with all the comments about how many players spurs had missing is that it's nonsense. Yes they have a few injuries and few suspensions but it's not an amount that won't happen to most clubs across the season and it's not the sort of thing that should lead to them claiming a moral victory for giving us a game with their reserves which has become the story since the final whistle. We went into the game with every chance of beating them even if they'd been full strength and loads of other teams have lost games like that without the commentators, pundits and press feeling the need to create excuses for them. Even then I don't care if all of those lot want to make themselves believe that, I just don't like seeing Villa fans buy into the nonsense, it just feeds back into this idea that we need the planets to align to win away at places like that.
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That Spurs forum is almost at SHA levels of utter shite. It's been a brilliant read over the last couple of days.
"Rodri is a footballer, Cash isn't. The only question is whether Emery sends him out with instructions on who to take out"
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Edit - I see the point you were making in the responses while I was writing. Yes, they are two different situations, but when they were similar for us at the beginning of the season while we adjusted, there was no media clamour to say we only lost to Newcastle & Liverpool because we were 4 important first teamers down, especially that whole left hand side of the pitch, where we did most of our attacking last season. I stand by my squad management point though... 👍
I did make that point about squad management way back in this thread. Our new signings over the summer were able to step into the injured positions so we weren't starting the season having to play academy kids to make up a starting 11 or anything, but we were still down 4 players in the wider squad. So we did have to dig a little deeper when it came to rotating players. Those experiments yielded good and bad, but it did leave us in a place where Emery knows exactly what everyone is capable of.
Spurs lost their opening League Cup tie (fielding what some called a 2nd string side) and have only had league games to play since, and it appears for all of Ange's good qualities, he hasn't been developing the whole squad, and is possibly alienating some of them too.
I think what it really shows is the difference between someone with the experience and eye for detail of Emery, compared to the can do a job to a point manager like Ange. He's still done well to get them to this point, and they were probably going to lose several of their games in this run of fixtures anyway, so maybe the injuries/suspensions will prove a blessing for him in that respect.
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This has turned into a bizarre debate in all fairness
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We haven't quite jumped the shark of investigating the real detail of Spurs Wage Bill but we can't be far away.
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This has turned into a bizarre debate in all fairness
It's not really a debate. The media are overplaying how bad Spurs' injury/suspension problems are, but they are still unquestionably affected by the absence of several key players. Both are true.
Likewise, we won yesterday because we scored more goals than them, but they could easily have won it if they'd converted more of their chances, despite missing several key players.
But articles like "Team A Scored 2 and Team B scored 1, so Team A wins. Team B could have scored more, but they didn't. End of report." aren't likely to bring in a lot of engagement.
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I really don't care what the media says about us. They have their favourites, they always have, so what?.
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Edit - I see the point you were making in the responses while I was writing. Yes, they are two different situations, but when they were similar for us at the beginning of the season while we adjusted, there was no media clamour to say we only lost to Newcastle & Liverpool because we were 4 important first teamers down, especially that whole left hand side of the pitch, where we did most of our attacking last season. I stand by my squad management point though... 👍
I did make that point about squad management way back in this thread. Our new signings over the summer were able to step into the injured positions so we weren't starting the season having to play academy kids to make up a starting 11 or anything, but we were still down 4 players in the wider squad. So we did have to dig a little deeper when it came to rotating players. Those experiments yielded good and bad, but it did leave us in a place where Emery knows exactly what everyone is capable of.
Spurs lost their opening League Cup tie (fielding what some called a 2nd string side) and have only had league games to play since, and it appears for all of Ange's good qualities, he hasn't been developing the whole squad, and is possibly alienating some of them too.
I think what it really shows is the difference between someone with the experience and eye for detail of Emery, compared to the can do a job to a point manager like Ange. He's still done well to get them to this point, and they were probably going to lose several of their games in this run of fixtures anyway, so maybe the injuries/suspensions will prove a blessing for him in that respect.
Apologies, I missed your squad management comment.
I think Bailey is a perfect example of Emerys squad management.
Yes, he did cost a few bob, but the injury situation he had did look like it was going to ruin his Villa career.
But the way that Emery has not only blended him into the squad & got him back into form, he has managed to do it making Bailey happy with his position as someone who comes off the bench to contribute.
But obviously not only that, we have managed to get in Kamara on a free, Tielemans on a free, Ramsey free from academy, & managed to spread the cost around so much that our squad was able to take the hit of four key players missing for a third of the season & still managing to get into the top four...
That still blows my mind & I am trying not to get too excited about what we can do when we have Ramsey & Moreno racing down the left hand side of the pitch, to add to Watkins, Diaby, Bailey, etc...
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Tottenham 1 Villa 2. What else do they need to know?
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Apologies, I missed your squad management comment.
No worries, I didn't mean that to sound like I was pulling you up on it, just that I agreed with you.
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Apologies, I missed your squad management comment.
No worries, I didn't mean that to sound like I was pulling you up on it, just that I agreed with you.
👍😁
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Tottenham 1 Villa 2. What else do they need to know?
But it's not fair
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Watkins goal gets better every time I watch it, I think its my favourite of the season so far.
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Watkins goal gets better every time I watch it, I think its my favourite of the season so far.
The build up to it was marvellous, too.
Tielemans really starting to show what he can do now.
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Watkins goal gets better every time I watch it, I think its my favourite of the season so far.
The build up to it was marvellous, too.
Tielemans really starting to show what he can do now.
I love how suddenly he changes direction, took them totally off-guard.
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He took it so early it still surprises me every time I watch it. Ace goal.
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Despite all the noise from the Spuds fan base and the media about injuries, suspensions and tackles, the main reason they lost is that they sold Harry Kane who would likely have bagged a couple yesterday and we have his current understudy who won the game with a proper Premier League strikers finish.
Despite all the tactics and coaching genius (maybe on both sides in fairness) it always comes down to the strikers.
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Despite all the noise from the Spuds fan base and the media about injuries, suspensions and tackles, the main reason they lost is that they sold Harry Kane who would likely have bagged a couple yesterday and we have his current understudy who won the game with a proper Premier League strikers finish.
Despite all the tactics and coaching genius (maybe on both sides in fairness) it always comes down to the strikers.
He didn't get many against us last season, other than the Annual Refs Love Harry Kane At Villa Park Penalty Award, obviously!
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Anyone else’s attending?
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The Cash reaction is ludicrously overblown - it’s a poor tackle and a yellow card. It got the punishment it deserved, it’s unfortunate it’s resulted in injury, but that doesn’t mean it’s a red.
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This time next week Spurs will be staring down the barrel of 4 straight defeats .
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He took it so early it still surprises me every time I watch it. Ace goal.
I think he has improved by being in a team that plays the offside trap so well.
Both his goal and his "offside" goal you can see how aware he is of the defenders positions, compared to Son who kept getting it wrong.
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I'm still not convinced he was offside , he looked clearly on from the angle of the side where the cross came from
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
he looks clearly onside from the side Digne crossed , what a cross again by the way
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And that was a brilliant move leading up to it too.
Again, Spurs can fuck off with their blarting, you'd think after getting beat three times in the calendar year the penny would drop.
Also, I thought back to when we played them at home under carpethead, battered them, missed a glut of chances through ace striker Danny Ings, and somehow lost 4-0. I don't remember the chat afterwards being about how lucky Spurs were.
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Does anybody else keep looking at the League Table, today?
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The Cash reaction is ludicrously overblown - it’s a poor tackle and a yellow card. It got the punishment it deserved, it’s unfortunate it’s resulted in injury, but that doesn’t mean it’s a red.
I agree, it was a poor tackle, but not bad enough for a red. His rankle on Matt Doherty 18 months ago was worse and I think that’s what is driving them mad as they seem to think he has a vendetta!
On the tube after the game nobody I spoke to mentioned it as a big turning point.
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The Cash reaction is ludicrously overblown - it’s a poor tackle and a yellow card. It got the punishment it deserved, it’s unfortunate it’s resulted in injury, but that doesn’t mean it’s a red.
I agree, it was a poor tackle, but not bad enough for a red. His rankle on Matt Doherty 18 months ago was worse and I think that’s what is driving them mad as they seem to think he has a vendetta!
On the tube after the game nobody I spoke to mentioned it as a big turning point.
Let's be honest if Spurs had clung on and won the game none of this would of ever been mentioned . It's just sour grapes
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
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It has been pointed out that that terribly weakened Spurs starting 11 still cost £74m more in transfer fees that the line up Villa kicked off with...
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I’m trying to find evidence from scanning sports radio and podcasts that we won yesterday. I have seen and heard lots of Spurs losing and threw it away unluckily. Can someone direct me to a place where they commend Villa without it being tempered by the opponent allowing us to win.
Matt Lay Telegraph
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2023/11/26/tottenham-hotspur-vs-aston-villa-live-latest-score/
I don't think that what Emery is doing is 'miraculous' at all. It's merely a case of us having a manager worthy of the job now and doing as well as a club of our size and resource should be doing.
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It has been pointed out that that terribly weakened Spurs starting 11 still cost £74m more in transfer fees that the line up Villa kicked off with...
But they said it was bare bones and a B team . Pray for them
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I thought Torres' header was fantastic for the goal, even better when you see he was having the shirt pulled off him at the time. That special upper body workout he's on must be paying off.
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/3e6128a0-8c93-11ee-98d6-6b03fbaecc5d.jpg)
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What's happened to Porro's face there? Is it always like that? Is that something else Spurs can count themselves unlucky about?
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Just noticed in the back of that photo there's another Villa player having the shirt pulled off them. Can't even see who it is it's being pulled that far.
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What's happened to Porro's face there? Is it always like that? Is that something else Spurs can count themselves unlucky about?
He’s sprained his jaw and will be out for 9 months boohoo
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
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It has been pointed out that that terribly weakened Spurs starting 11 still cost £74m more in transfer fees that the line up Villa kicked off with...
Is that true? On which players have they spaffed loads of cash?
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I think the fact that we have moved into a top four position at this stage of the season for the first time since what 2009, and there are pages dedicated to what Jermaine bloody Jenas thinks, the media fawning over Spurs and their injuries and semantics like the severity or otherwise of their injury list over ours, shows maybe a lack of confidence on our part as supporters. There are clubs out there who are always milling around this part of the table, its parr for the course, not us for what has been a dire generation footballing wise.
We haven’t done or won anything yet and it would be small time to over celebrate something that could change within a week. At the same time, I think we should stop pontificating over what the media thinks or doesn’t think of us, or the fact they favour poor old Spurs. We should also stop worrying about what we deserved or otherwise from Sunday.
Over the last 12 months we are the second or third best team in the country, we’ve moved into the top four, we play some brilliant football. Feck everyone else and what they think, under Emery we march on.
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Remember the media wankfest when Newcastle hit the top 4.
And when Brighton did, briefly.
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Remember the media wankfest when Newcastle hit the top 4.
And when Brighton did, briefly.
Because they aren't big clubs. It was such a huge surprise
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I agree Rambo, our collective confidence is somewhat fragile.
There is a bit of imposter syndrome about us and it’s not surprising.
I am more worried about us being bigged up by the media and it going to the players and supporters heads than us being put down and ignored.The build up to the Forest and Newcastle games showed what can happen.
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It has been pointed out that that terribly weakened Spurs starting 11 still cost £74m more in transfer fees that the line up Villa kicked off with...
Is that true? On which players have they spaffed loads of cash?
Lo Celso was £42m, Porro was £40m, Johnson was £45m. Think they're the biggest ones.
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I think the fact that we have moved into a top four position at this stage of the season for the first time since what 2009, and there are pages dedicated to what Jermaine bloody Jenas thinks, the media fawning over Spurs and their injuries and semantics like the severity or otherwise of their injury list over ours, shows maybe a lack of confidence on our part as supporters. There are clubs out there who are always milling around this part of the table, its parr for the course, not us for what has been a dire generation footballing wise.
We haven’t done or won anything yet and it would be small time to over celebrate something that could change within a week. At the same time, I think we should stop pontificating over what the media thinks or doesn’t think of us, or the fact they favour poor old Spurs. We should also stop worrying about what we deserved or otherwise from Sunday.
Over the last 12 months we are the second or third best team in the country, we’ve moved into the top four, we play some brilliant football. Feck everyone else and what they think, under Emery we march on.
What do I keep saying? For thirty-odd years our biggest opponents have been ourselves.
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I think the fact that we have moved into a top four position at this stage of the season for the first time since what 2009, and there are pages dedicated to what Jermaine bloody Jenas thinks, the media fawning over Spurs and their injuries and semantics like the severity or otherwise of their injury list over ours, shows maybe a lack of confidence on our part as supporters. There are clubs out there who are always milling around this part of the table, its parr for the course, not us for what has been a dire generation footballing wise.
We haven’t done or won anything yet and it would be small time to over celebrate something that could change within a week. At the same time, I think we should stop pontificating over what the media thinks or doesn’t think of us, or the fact they favour poor old Spurs. We should also stop worrying about what we deserved or otherwise from Sunday.
Over the last 12 months we are the second or third best team in the country, we’ve moved into the top four, we play some brilliant football. Feck everyone else and what they think, under Emery we march on.
This 100%
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At the same time, I think we should stop pontificating over what the media thinks or doesn’t think of us, or the fact they favour poor old Spurs. We should also stop worrying about what we deserved or otherwise from Sunday.
I don't think that this place would be a particularly interesting read if the post-match threads were nothing more than people furiously agreeing with the fact that we won.
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At the same time, I think we should stop pontificating over what the media thinks or doesn’t think of us, or the fact they favour poor old Spurs. We should also stop worrying about what we deserved or otherwise from Sunday.
I don't think that this place would be a particularly interesting read if the post-match threads were nothing more than people furiously agreeing with the fact that we won.
Although for most of the last 10 years Before Emery, that wasn't often much of an issue!
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We score some goals us. On course for 90 in the league this season. I recall we score 70 odd one campaign under O'Neill. Seems like a lifetime ago.
Third of the season done. Home form, sensational. Away form now gone from poor to ok with 3/1/3. Beat Bournemouth and that puts us on 50% of away games won, which is what we'd need (~9) to have a shot at top 4. Given how we've started, we'd need 9 more wins out of the remaining home games to finish on 70 points + if we maintain that away form. Would you want to bet against us?
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Ah bugger, I thought we were at home to Bouremouth.
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I thought Torres' header was fantastic for the goal, even better when you see he was having the shirt pulled off him at the time. That special upper body workout he's on must be paying off.
(https://images.webapi.gc.avfcservices.co.uk/fit-in/800x800/3e6128a0-8c93-11ee-98d6-6b03fbaecc5d.jpg)
The shirt on the extreme right is also nearly being ripped off the player. Obviously, if Torres hadn’t scored, we’d have been given a penalty…
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
I keep thinking this about many of the decisions. It's absolutely crucial to the marginal ones. I truly believe that the best answer is to allow the thickness of the red line to go in favour of the attacker.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
I keep thinking this about many of the decisions. It's absolutely crucial to the marginal ones. I truly believe that the best answer is to allow the thickness of the red line to go in favour of the attacker.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
they could easily build into the equation a safety margin in favour of the attacker, but the idiots still try to claim 100% accuracy when it is impossible based on the technology.
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
I keep thinking this about many of the decisions. It's absolutely crucial to the marginal ones. I truly believe that the best answer is to allow the thickness of the red line to go in favour of the attacker.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
they could easily build into the equation a safety margin in favour of the attacker, but the idiots still try to claim 100% accuracy when it is impossible based on the technology.
I've said it lots of times, but the drawing of the lines for offside is nonsense, a piece of pseudo-science designed to placate media airheads. Deciding the point at which a player is offside is still completely subjective - given the way a ball is kicked a player will be both onside and offside in the same action when it is as close as Ollie's goal was on Sunday. All the lines do is show the arbitrary point someone in a studio has decided is relevant.
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
I keep thinking this about many of the decisions. It's absolutely crucial to the marginal ones. I truly believe that the best answer is to allow the thickness of the red line to go in favour of the attacker.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
they could easily build into the equation a safety margin in favour of the attacker, but the idiots still try to claim 100% accuracy when it is impossible based on the technology.
I've said it lots of times, but the drawing of the lines for offside is nonsense, a piece of pseudo-science designed to placate media airheads. Deciding the point at which a player is offside is still completely subjective - given the way a ball is kicked a player will be both onside and offside in the same action when it is as close as Ollie's goal was on Sunday. All the lines do is show the arbitrary point someone in a studio has decided is relevant.
I agree that VAR isn't factual to the nth degree but it is more factual than a linesman's vision. It's why I don't have a problem with it for offsides. The tech will improve over time to a point where we will know the precise moment the ball is passed forward to the exact location within millimeters of the last part of the attackers scoring part of his body. What we have now is far better than what was before. My biggest gripe is the amount of time it takes, it should be near enough instant.
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For the offsides, I looked at the Romero red card event to see why they were asking for us to be down to 8 men. They had a VAR review for offside as well for Nicolas Jackson which was tight (his arse was offside fractionally in the end). The footage of the VAR incident has been released and shows the offside check. The VO shows three frames with the VAR ref choosing the one he is going to use. In all three the ball and leg are a blur so they can only guesstimate the one to use. Assuming all the frames are then synced correctly the other footages are then stopped for the lines to be drawn.
From 1 minute into the video for the offside frames.
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
I keep thinking this about many of the decisions. It's absolutely crucial to the marginal ones. I truly believe that the best answer is to allow the thickness of the red line to go in favour of the attacker.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
they could easily build into the equation a safety margin in favour of the attacker, but the idiots still try to claim 100% accuracy when it is impossible based on the technology.
I've said it lots of times, but the drawing of the lines for offside is nonsense, a piece of pseudo-science designed to placate media airheads. Deciding the point at which a player is offside is still completely subjective - given the way a ball is kicked a player will be both onside and offside in the same action when it is as close as Ollie's goal was on Sunday. All the lines do is show the arbitrary point someone in a studio has decided is relevant.
I agree that VAR isn't factual to the nth degree but it is more factual than a linesman's vision. It's why I don't have a problem with it for offsides. The tech will improve over time to a point where we will know the precise moment the ball is passed forward to the exact location within millimeters of the last part of the attackers scoring part of his body. What we have now is far better than what was before. My biggest gripe is the amount of time it takes, it should be near enough instant.
Yep, I agree, that was my problem during the game, the decision to chalk off the Watkins goal was nearly 3minutes, which should be unacceptable to anyone in the game.
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
I keep thinking this about many of the decisions. It's absolutely crucial to the marginal ones. I truly believe that the best answer is to allow the thickness of the red line to go in favour of the attacker.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
they could easily build into the equation a safety margin in favour of the attacker, but the idiots still try to claim 100% accuracy when it is impossible based on the technology.
I've said it lots of times, but the drawing of the lines for offside is nonsense, a piece of pseudo-science designed to placate media airheads. Deciding the point at which a player is offside is still completely subjective - given the way a ball is kicked a player will be both onside and offside in the same action when it is as close as Ollie's goal was on Sunday. All the lines do is show the arbitrary point someone in a studio has decided is relevant.
This. Very much this...
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For the offsides, I looked at the Romero red card event to see why they were asking for us to be down to 8 men. They had a VAR review for offside as well for Nicolas Jackson which was tight (his arse was offside fractionally in the end). The footage of the VAR incident has been released and shows the offside check. The VO shows three frames with the VAR ref choosing the one he is going to use. In all three the ball and leg are a blur so they can only guesstimate the one to use. Assuming all the frames are then synced correctly the other footages are then stopped for the lines to be drawn.
From 1 minute into the video for the offside frames.
That video shows what a farce the offside VAR is. When they freeze the frame the ball is a blur about a metre wide, how on earth can they be pixel perfect from that? It was good communication for the red card/penalty to be fair, but the offside clearly isn't accurate due to the speeds and technology used.
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I’ve haven't seen an angle from when the ball actually left Digne’s boot either. We see the line but not the ball on his foot. Well I haven’t anyway.
You never will because they know they have no tech to prove the moment…it’s why I end up screaming at tv everytime some idiotic pundit says VAR is factual for offsides….it isn’t!!
You should have a pint with Chico Hamilton as he always says the same thing.
Drives me mad. We deal in millimetres in terms of the “offending” players’ toes being offside when the line is applied. But how do we know this is the exact moment that the ball is leaving the passing player’s boot. And what is the definition of the ball being passed? Is it only after the ball has left the boot?
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I agree. They spend hours deliberating where exactly the player is to the nearest millimetre but nothing at all on when the ball was kicked.
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Drives me mad. We deal in millimetres in terms of the “offending” players’ toes being offside when the line is applied. But how do we know this is the exact moment that the ball is leaving the passing player’s boot. And what is the definition of the ball being passed? Is it only after the ball has left the boot?
Exactly. This is where VAR froze the frame for the attacking player's position:
(https://i.ibb.co/9hbhJHD/Screenshot-2023-11-28-at-14-55-55.png) (https://ibb.co/9hbhJHD)
Where exactly is the ball at that split second? Still attached to the player's foot, or actually a metre away? Absolute fucking nonsense.
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Drives me mad. We deal in millimetres in terms of the “offending” players’ toes being offside when the line is applied. But how do we know this is the exact moment that the ball is leaving the passing player’s boot. And what is the definition of the ball being passed? Is it only after the ball has left the boot?
Exactly. This is where VAR froze the frame for the attacking player's position:
(https://i.ibb.co/9hbhJHD/Screenshot-2023-11-28-at-14-55-55.png) (https://ibb.co/9hbhJHD)
Where exactly is the ball at that split second? Still attached to the player's foot, or actually a metre away? Absolute fucking nonsense.
That's the perfect image to show anyone who says VAR has improved the accuracy of offsides. Just the physics of the situation makes it impossible to call (the length of time a players foot is in contact with the ball when making a cross/pass and the speed of a Premier League footballer at full pace means the margin for an offside call is closer to metres than millimeters) and then you have this imperfect technology being used on top.
Given all of these variables, I would love to see a proper comparison of how much more accurate things are now than when it was just a linesman (ok, assistant referee) making that call - I bet it isn't much. And for that we have lost the spontaneous joy of being able to celebrate a goal properly, rather than 3 minutes after it has been scored.
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Much wider lines would give VAR more flexibility - if there is any crossover then it's "level". This would mitigate the lack of accuracy when exactly the ball is kicked and also favour the attacker.
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For me offside needs to be the law applied but a common sense approach to whether or not the attacking player actually gained a clear and distinguishable advantage. That’s going to help us as with Ollie’s header but potentially hurt us the most given how often we catch sides offside by the thinnest of margins. But we would adjust, and it would help the game.
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I said it not so long ago, the technology for when a ball is released was used in the world cup & if they used that, along with the lines, then we would get the closest to being correct decisions.
And at least if the technology for the when the ball is released is used in all games, then the baseline is set & we are all working with the same tools & same rules.
None of this "subjective" bullshit...
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I want know how that bowler-hatted del boy spuds fan in the Bournbrook in Stirchley took it after we won.
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Bentacur out for 3 months , 5 minutes of talksport and i am
ready to crash my car Goldstein wants Cash banned now apparently . I really can’t stand the obnoxious thinks he is funny London Red twat . He also thinks it is ok to shout abuse at a ref if it is the final of a European Final and you can’t compare rugby to football . must stop listening
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Don't remember this amount of outrage when Ben Mee virtually destroyed Wesley's career, is all I'm saying. Wild how they seem to have, what's the word I'm looking for, favourites.
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"Can Villa break into the top 4? Spurs fans, Arsenal fans, let us know your thoughts"
Wankers, the lot of 'em.
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Bentacur out for 3 months , 5 minutes of talksport and i am
ready to crash my car Goldstein wants Cash banned now apparently . I really can’t stand the obnoxious thinks he is funny London Red twat . He also thinks it is ok to shout abuse at a ref if it is the final of a European Final and you can’t compare rugby to football . must stop listening
Does he want Romero and Udogie banned too for far worse potential leg breakers against Chelsea . Thought not fucking moron