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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on September 08, 2023, 11:25:04 PM
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Saturday 16th September 3pm.
One of the few this season.
2-1. Diaby, Watkins. Hilaire for them.
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0-2.
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You’ve gone early! Depends for me on the back four options to an extent, will Carlos be back?
They have some tidy forward players in Eze and Olise. Saying that I’d expect us to win this.
2-0 (Watkins….surely!, Zaniolo)
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Struggling to get the Liverpool defensive shambles out of my mind, score draw 2-2.
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Would like to see Zaniolo start this one.
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3-1 win.
goals from Parker, Froggatt and Regis.
Solako to get theirs.
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2-2
Late equaliser for them
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We've conceded 2 goals at home since February and 50% of them are Harry Kane dives for a penalty. B6 is a fortress for the first time in my Villa supporting life.
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Palace i see as solid mid-table so this will be an interesting benchmark. At home we should be beating them
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Would like to see Zaniolo start this one.
Me an all.
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Zaniolo, Watkins, Diaby
Tielemans, Luiz, McGinn
Digne, Torres, Konsa, Cash
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Yeah I’d go with that side.
Martinez too. 👍🏼
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Saturday 16th September 3pm.
One of the few this season.
2-1. Diaby, Watkins. Hilaire for them.
If by saying Hilaire, you are referring to the 2-1 win against them in the championship year, that was the day i was born 😄.
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He actually crossed for Paul Hinshelwood to score. February 1981.
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Looking forward to this. My first Villa game in-person since Aaron Danks was the best version of himself, masterminding the 4-0 win over Brentford last October.
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No 'FTF' in the opening post?
Not a good sign.
FTF!
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Villa v Palace. Win, lose or draw, a regular fixture that just then blends in with the rest. Unlikely to stir up any great memories or controversy. None of the previous ever have.
Crystal Palace are an annoyingly and infuriatingly inoffensive football club.
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We dispose of the detritus and succumb to the well equipped. These are somewhere in between so turgid one apiece.
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Villa v Palace. Win, lose or draw, a regular fixture that just then blends in with the rest. Unlikely to stir up any great memories or controversy. None of the previous ever have.
Crystal Palace are an annoyingly and infuriatingly inoffensive football club.
Except the Lansbury disallowed goal at their place, the Doucoure handball and the Benteke sending off.
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This one will be interesting. So far we have shown that we can turn over crap teams but get too easily turned over by good ones. How will we fare against a side sort of halfway between those two camps?
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Saturday 16th September 3pm.
One of the few this season.
2-1. Diaby, Watkins. Hilaire for them.
If by saying Hilaire, you are referring to the 2-1 win against them in the championship year, that was the day i was born 😄.
That was one of the few games I went to that season, I was 11. It was dire as I remember, a laboured 2-1 against the side who finished bottom and looked every inch it.
Strange memory I have of that game was a woman afterwards, on the walk back to the car, asking me what the score had been. She wanted to know because her son was playing. No idea why I never thought to ask her who her son was...
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Andrew Greaves.
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Shenanigans now is it? Jesus!
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Not me that chose it. But then nothing I would’ve put would’ve suited your literary pallet. Awaits would’ve usage destroy.
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Good work. Would've is great.
Unless you say "If we would've won we would've had three points" when everybody, except our overseas cousins who don't pay their waiting staff a living wage and whose chocolate tastes funny, knows that is "If we HAD won we would've had three points".
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Jeez I’m so relieved. Thank you Darren.
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I think we will win this one comfortably.
The two poor performances both came away against teams that will be contenders for top 6 places. The team has looked more than good enough to routinely beat mid to lower table teams.
We are likely to lose away games to Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, and Man City. The team out of those four that wins two away games against the rest of the four will likely end up Premier League champions. Villa are not going to be contesting the title this year.
To finish in the top four mix we do need to beat most of these teams at Villa park (or at least not lose to them). We also need to pick up some results home and away to the next group of teams - Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs, Brighton and West Ham who are our rivals for a Europa league place. I do think we will beat a few of them this season.
What will determine our season though, is becoming good at routine wins against teams like Crystal Palace, Wolves, Brentford, Bournemouth etc. If we become the best 'flat track bully' in the league this season we will finish in the top 6, even if we have the odd stinker against Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Man City. I think we look well placed to do that judging by our performances against Everton and Burnely.
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I think we will win this one comfortably.
The two poor performances both came away against teams that will be contenders for top 6 places. The team has looked more than good enough to routinely beat mid to lower table teams.
We are likely to lose away games to Arsenal, Liverpool, Man Utd, and Man City. The team out of those four that wins two away games against the rest of the four will likely end up Premier League champions. Villa are not going to be contesting the title this year.
To finish in the top four mix we do need to beat most of these teams at Villa park (or at least not lose to them). We also need to pick up some results home and away to the next group of teams - Chelsea, Newcastle, Spurs, Brighton and West Ham who are our rivals for a Europa league place. I do think we will beat a few of them this season.
What will determine our season though, is becoming good at routine wins against teams like Crystal Palace, Wolves, Brentford, Bournemouth etc. If we become the best 'flat track bully' in the league this season we will finish in the top 6, even if we have the odd stinker against Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal and Man City. I think we look well placed to do that judging by our performances against Everton and Burnely.
Not just those two performances but also every other home game since the 2-4 to Arsenal in Feb.
Saying that, I think our defence needs to settle down a bit, so not sure this will be that comfortable. Maybe something more like a Forest last tear, with a late second goal to put a shine on it, as opposed to a Newcastle, Bournemouth, or Everton demolition job.
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Comfortable home win, something we are getting used to at VP these days.
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our defence is suspect, they've lost Zaha. 1-1 written all over it
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Tough game I think, a Roy Hodgson side is very unlikely to do like Everton or Burnley and give us the whole floor of the Red Sea to walk through. Hence why I think we should play Zaniolo (guile) over Bailey (wasteful speed) - I think there's a lot to come from a Zan-Diaby link up, two really intelligent and skillful players, and we'll need it to break down Palace.
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I can see us winning this 3-1.
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Good work. Would've is great.
Unless you say "If we would've won we would've had three points" when everybody, except our overseas cousins who don't pay their waiting staff a living wage and whose chocolate tastes funny, knows that is "If we HAD won we would've had three points".
I prefer, "if we'd won we'd have had three points". I know it's merely a personal preference as to which words to contract, but "would've had" sounds a bit clunky to my sensitive ears.
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zaniolo
Diaby
2 - 0 win
everyone happy
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I can’t wait for football to be back, even if we’re shit and we lose, I’d rather moan about that than international football. At least you get the anticipation and hope before hand. You win and it’s a great weekend, you lose, well at least it’s ours to grumble about.
When and why did Internationals start taking away so much of the weekends football.
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Anyway, 3-0 us, back on form with a double from Ollie and for one for Diably.
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I think we might struggle a bit with their pace up front, but ultimately win a tight game 2-1.
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Yeah I’d go with that side.
Martinez too. 👍🏼
That's the only player and position that's a given.
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Good work. Would've is great.
Unless you say "If we would've won we would've had three points" when everybody, except our overseas cousins who don't pay their waiting staff a living wage and whose chocolate tastes funny, knows that is "If we HAD won we would've had three points".
I prefer, "if we'd won we'd have had three points". I know it's merely a personal preference as to which words to contract, but "would've had" sounds a bit clunky to my sensitive ears.
You are missing the point©: the contraction of have to 've is what encourages the misuse of the preposition 'of' in its weak form, which is pronounced [əv], just like 've
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But 3-1 to us and FTF!
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We're going to air fry these wankers.
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The game at Liverpool has sewn enough doubts as to approach this game with far more trepidation than one should really. Palace are no Liverpool but then we have to guess at the defensive line up and wonder if changes are required further up the pitch. I'd give Rockin' All Over The World a go in place of Bailey but I don't think any further changes are required.
1-0
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I think we'll win. Palace will make it uncomfortable and physical.
At least we don't have to see the annual shithousery of Zaha v Mings.
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2-1 home win , Luiz pen, Diaby
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We either funeral teams or get funeralled. I think this will be the former. A routine 2-0 win.
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the way we play we will be favourites to beat 11/19. It's the other 8 that we will have challenges with, especially with the high line and needing to be clinical up front. Right now of the newer challengers for top 4, Brighton seem to be getting most things right as a unit. Emery won't change his approach. Our players need to be better and less naive against better opponents. That said, we will beat Palace. They're decent. We are better than them, especially at home and on the back of a heavy loss.
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Brighton tend to lose games against middle of the table sides, like West Ham. I actually called that so wished I had put a bet on!
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I think we can pick up home wins against almost any team this season (even Man City). I also think we are more than capable of results away against West Ham, Spurs, Chelsea and even Man Utd. I don't fear Brighton.
Early days, and a makeshift defence sadly. However Emery got the Mings Konsa partnership from 'rocky' to 'rock solid' after a dodgy patch, and I see no reason why he can't do the same with Torres and Carlos. Especially when Moreno and Konsa are the fulbacks (never thought I'd say that about Konsa).
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27-0 to Villa
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I think we can pick up home wins against almost any team this season (even Man City). I also think we are more than capable of results away against West Ham, Spurs, Chelsea and even Man Utd. I don't fear Brighton.
Early days, and a makeshift defence sadly. However Emery got the Mings Konsa partnership from 'rocky' to 'rock solid' after a dodgy patch, and I see no reason why he can't do the same with Torres and Carlos. Especially when Moreno and Konsa are the fulbacks (never thought I'd say that about Konsa).
Both Konsa and Mings could turn and run though. Great for the high line if ever the offside trap didn't work, by the end of last season that was rare enough in fairness. Torres and Carlos have no recovery pace so don't think the same offside line will work without Mings.
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3-1 win.
goals from Parker, Froggatt and Regis.
Solako to get theirs.
I'll go 3-0, Yorke, Staunton and Froggatt with Unai on the pitch with a microphone before the game telling the crowd that we're trying our best to sign Dean Saunders from Liverpool.
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With Moreno back in training, I wonder if we'll see this.
Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
Kamara Luiz
McGinn Moreno
Diaby Watkins
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3-1 win.
goals from Parker, Froggatt and Regis.
Solako to get theirs.
I'll go 3-0, Yorke, Staunton and Froggatt with Unai on the pitch with a microphone before the game telling the crowd that we're trying our best to sign Dean Saunders from Liverpool.
31 years ago, bloody hell.
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Remember it well :-)
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3-1 win.
goals from Parker, Froggatt and Regis.
Solako to get theirs.
I'll go 3-0, Yorke, Staunton and Froggatt with Unai on the pitch with a microphone before the game telling the crowd that we're trying our best to sign Dean Saunders from Liverpool.
Sanders.
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That always made me laugh Nev.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
Kamara Luiz
McGinn Bailey
Diaby Watkins
I think Emery will play Bailey again. He has been better in the home games
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"When Big Ron Met Unai" coming to Pravda TV February 2024, the week of our League Cup Final appearance. Should be interesting!
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I'm always fascinated when people are more pessimistic than me as I see my self as very much the 'there's fuck all in my glass' type but if you don't think we're going to win at home against a bottom half team then when do you think we will? Obviously it could happen, but expect it? Nah.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
Kamara Luiz
McGinn Bailey
Diaby Watkins
I think Emery will play Bailey again. He has been better in the home games
Would prefer Carlos to Torres if fit. Not sure who our alternatives to Bailey are in Ramsey's absence but simply has to be someone else. Maybe a 4312 with Zaniolo at 10. Three in midfield hasn't suited likes of Luiz or McGinn before though.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
Kamara Luiz
McGinn Bailey
Diaby Watkins
I think Emery will play Bailey again. He has been better in the home games
Would prefer Carlos to Torres if fit. Not sure who our alternatives to Bailey are in Ramsey's absence but simply has to be someone else. Maybe a 4312 with Zaniolo at 10. Three in midfield hasn't suited likes of Luiz or McGinn before though.
Not a chance he’s leaving Torres out, even if Carlos is fit.
I’d play Zaniolo instead of Bailey, having McGinn and Diaby wide.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
Kamara Luiz
McGinn Bailey
Diaby Watkins
I think Emery will play Bailey again. He has been better in the home games
Would prefer Carlos to Torres if fit. Not sure who our alternatives to Bailey are in Ramsey's absence but simply has to be someone else. Maybe a 4312 with Zaniolo at 10. Three in midfield hasn't suited likes of Luiz or McGinn before though.
Not a chance he’s leaving Torres out, even if Carlos is fit.
I’d play Zaniolo instead of Bailey, having McGinn and Diaby wide.
Yeah boi. I want thunder thighs on the pitch.
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The problem with leaving Bailey out is generally home he's usually effective. It's away that it doesn't seem to work.
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I'd start with the team that started against Everton, if fit.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Digne
Kamara Luiz
Zaniolo McGinn
Diaby
Watkins
Subs
Olsen
Teilemans - on for Kamara @ 65min
Bailey - on for Zaniolo @ 60 mins
Donk
Carlos - on for Cash @ 70 mins (Konsa to RB)
Chambers
Duran - on for Watkins @ 80 mins
Lenglet
3-1 (Watkins / Diaby / Luis - pen)
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3-1 win.
goals from Parker, Froggatt and Regis.
Solako to get theirs.
I'll go 3-0, Yorke, Staunton and Froggatt with Unai on the pitch with a microphone before the game telling the crowd that we're trying our best to sign Dean Saunders from Liverpool.
Sanders.
Or even Sarnders.
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I'd go with Hookey's line-up except I'd switch McGinn and Zaniolo - SJM is not effective on the left.
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I'd go with Hookey's line-up except I'd switch McGinn and Zaniolo - SJM is not effective on the left.
Same, it just doesn't quite seem to work on the left for McGinn.
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Diego
Moreno
McGinn
Luiz
Kamara
Zaniolo
Diaby
Watkins
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust.
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The problem with leaving Bailey out is generally home he's usually effective. It's away that it doesn't seem to work.
It feels a good time to freshen up though.
Most of our squad have been travelling this week so I'm happy Zaniolo has got some decent game time under his belt for Italy.
He should be good for an hour. I'd also consider starting Tielemans for this given we will have 60 + possession with how Palace will set up.
It's no good us extending our squad if there's reluctance to make 2-3 changes this early in the season and with a very busy schedule approaching. And also how bad we were in our last match.
Think we'll do enough to edge this 2-1 and continue the brilliant home winning run.
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The problem with leaving Bailey out is generally home he's usually effective. It's away that it doesn't seem to work.
Yeah I agree with that, but can we afford to pick week after week a player who is only ever going to do something in half those games, and even then it's just the chance he'll do something.
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*dons tin hat* I don't get the Bailey hate. At VP he's deployed to do a job, and he does it, to my eyes anyway, very effectively. He constantly ties up two or even three defenders, and his movement off the ball never lets a back line settle. I love him at VP, and I'm hoping to see him on the right and Zaniolo in Ramsey's place absolutely rip these to bits on Saturday.
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*dons tin hat* I don't get the Bailey hate. At VP he's deployed to do a job, and he does it, to my eyes anyway, very effectively. He constantly ties up two or even three defenders, and his movement off the ball never lets a back line settle. I love him at VP, and I'm hoping to see him on the right and Zaniolo in Ramsey's place absolutely rip these to bits on Saturday.
So you drop McGinn?
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I know between us there's probably a billion posts from me about how SJM isn't good enough to play further forward, but he is. Saturday, I'd go a kind of 4411 of
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Bailey
Douglas Luiz
Kamara
Zaniolo
McGinn
Watkins
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Big shout dropping Diaby there.
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Bollocks. Can I pick 12?
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It is a genuine headache. The Bailey/Diaby Leverkusen relationship seems alive and kicking at VP. D Luiz & Kamara can't be split up, at least not for any other player in this conundrum. Following on from reports from midweek I really want to see Zaniolo start. But you can not drop one of the very best all-round midfielders in the country.
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It is a genuine headache. The Bailey/Diaby Leverkusen relationship seems alive and kicking at VP. D Luiz & Kamara can't be split up, at least not for any other player in this conundrum. Following on from reports from midweek I really want to see Zaniolo start. But you can not drop one of the very best all-round midfielders in the country.
I'm a big fan of him but I think Kamara has been a bit below par so far this season. He's also been away with France so I don't see the harm in giving him a breather before europe starts.
Given he had his bad injury in this game last season and missed two months and we won the majority of those fixtures in his absence I don't really see the gameplan falling apart that much.
Luiz must've played 50 + times for us as DM so bring him a little deeper to try to keep tabs on the excellent Eze and bring in Tielemans to link the play in the 8 position.
Or keep Luiz where he is and sprinkle some Donk magic on the VP turf once more. He hadn't played for months when he started v Newcastle last season and was brilliant on the day. Palace will be physical in midfield with that Doucoure trying to kick anything that moves so would suit him you'd suspect.
If we're already nervous about resting regular players for Crystal Palace at home then we're probably not going to do that well this season compared to expectations.
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I like the idea of Bailey coming on for Zaniolo on 70 minutes. This after the Italian has smashed in a couple of goals from 40 yards out and tenderized their left back. Bring in Bailey who would have had a long trip back from Jamaica to finish the job and help with a couple more goals.
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I like the idea of Bailey coming on for Zaniolo on 70 minutes. This after the Italian has smashed in a couple of goals from 40 yards out and tenderized their left back. Bring in Bailey who would have had a long trip back from Jamaica to finish the job and help with a couple more goals.
Agree with this. He had less squad choice last season granted, but Emery seemed to like sticking with largely the same team, but would nearly always make some subs around 60 mins. The amount of times Digne seemed to come on for Moreno about 60 something.
This is where PWS posts saying Digne never came on earlier than 80 mins or something 😂 perception and all that.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Diego Digne
McGinn Luiz Tielemans
Diaby Zaniolo
Watkins
I would like to see both Tielemans and Zaniolo given a starting spot on Saturday. I think it is time to look at a few different options. Have Luiz sit a little deeper with both McGinn and Tielemans either side with both Diably and Zaniolo interchanging on the left and right.
2-0
Watkins Zaniolo
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I like the idea of Bailey coming on for Zaniolo on 70 minutes. This after the Italian has smashed in a couple of goals from 40 yards out and tenderized their left back. Bring in Bailey who would have had a long trip back from Jamaica to finish the job and help with a couple more goals.
Tenderized! Love it. Hope BE does too.
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Probably not the Americanism.
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Still a couple of hundred tickets left.
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Still a couple of hundred tickets left.
Those will be the tickets of ST holders who can't go released by Villa.
There were literally about a dozen left when i looked the other day.
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
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I am hoping the international 'break' has not impacted us too much. Of those who are really first choice, only Martinez has had a long trek for the World Cup games with Argentina, although Bailey played twice for Jamaica and Duran came on as sub twice for Colombia.
A bit closer to home, McGinn played twice, Cash played the last game for Poland, whilst Tielemans and Olsen were the others that played. Kamara and Torres didn't get off the bench for France and Spain respectively.
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I am hoping the international 'break' has not impacted us too much. Of those who are really first choice, only Martinez has had a long trek for the World Cup games with Argentina, although Bailey played twice for Jamaica and Duran came on as sub twice for Colombia.
A bit closer to home, McGinn played twice, Cash played the last game for Poland, whilst Tielemans and Olsen were the others that played. Kamara and Torres didn't get off the bench for France and Spain respectively.
Good info, thanks mate.
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there's plenty of tickets available at the moment, for a change there's plenty of seats together.
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Yep whole blocks which is odd.
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R1 hasn't been on sale so far this season. Lots of resales back on the market by the looks of it.
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Should be confident for this one. I expect something similar to previous games, with Bailey in for Carlos. Bailey at home has been very good and scored goals this season.
Martinez, Cash, Konsa, Torres, Digne, Luiz, Kamara, McGinn, Bailey, Diaby, Watkins
There will be a few changes for the trip to Legia but not en masse
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Anyone looking for tickets? My brother's got two he can't use!
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I’m not as confident as others seem to be that we’ll steam roller these but, fingers crossed that we can get the 3 points.
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I’m not as confident as others seem to be that we’ll steam roller these but, fingers crossed that we can get the 3 points.
I'd be happy with the three points however they come. We've a busy couple of weeks with Chelsea and Brighton to play before the end of the month.
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Still a couple of hundred tickets left.
Ended up in T1 in the North Stand about 6 rows from the front so will have the usual cramped but amazing view.
I did notice that odd little fenced off section which is directly behind the goal in the Upper North had a ticket available and was going to purchase it out of curiosity. Anyone ever sat there, do you get a hot flask and a team sheet or is it just the same as "normal" seats?
Always wondered who actually sits there, assumes it's just some sponsors and perhaps players family overflow if they can't all get in the section in the Trinity by the tunnel.
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I’m not as confident as others seem to be that we’ll steam roller these but, fingers crossed that we can get the 3 points.
Not sure who's saying we'll steamroll them. They're comfortably better than likes of Everton nowadays.
It will probably be similar game to last season which was a pretty standard 1-0 win.
Palace will low block us to death and quickly get the ball up to Eze to make things happen in final third.
However from what they put out at VP last season there's no Zaha and Olise has been injured so while he may return on Saturday he'll struggle to last 90 minutes. They also signed a Brazil playmaker but don't think he's been involved so far.
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Sorry but we'll steamroll them.
The Eagles won't know what's hit them.
4-0 Villa.
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Really think this game will tell us if we have some serious defensive issues or not.
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
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Hope we win, but it’ll be tricky.
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
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I can see a Terrace View Lower sort of thing unfolding
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3-0 Yorke, Staunton and.... I think Froggatt will get the third. Unai Emery to go out on the pitch before hand with microphone to announce new striker
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"Ended up in T1 in the North Stand about 6 rows from the front so will have the usual cramped but amazing view.
I did notice that odd little fenced off section which is directly behind the goal in the Upper North had a ticket available and was going to purchase it out of curiosity. Anyone ever sat there, do you get a hot flask and a team sheet or is it just the same as "normal" seats?
Always wondered who actually sits there, assumes it's just some sponsors and perhaps players family overflow if they can't all get in the section in the Trinity by the tunnel."
Yes sat there a couple of times - it's the old North Stand Press Box!
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
Yes, but why haven’t they done that then? seems odd to completely give up on any revenue whatsoever.
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
Yes, but why haven’t they done that then? seems odd to completely give up on any revenue whatsoever.
Absolutely, but no odder than the "two badge" situation. Confused and illogical thinking seems to be the order of the day at the club, off the field anyway. Rather like someone coming in and making decisions to make an impact and impression rather than basing them on logic and taking into account the fans, sorry customers.
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We're starting to be written off as 'mid-table' already. Nevermind that we've started better than Chelsea or Man Utd, with a boatload of injuries. No, it's already decided that we're on the same level as Palace, more or less. It's really, really important that we do something about that.
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I am informed that the aim is to reopen the Holte Suite for the Brighton game.
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We're starting to be written off as 'mid-table' already. Nevermind that we've started better than Chelsea or Man Utd, with a boatload of injuries. No, it's already decided that we're on the same level as Palace, more or less. It's really, really important that we do something about that.
Yes, think there is a perception that Europe will have a big impact on us. This is the sky prediction…
Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace, Saturday 3pm
I'll be testing out a theory over the next few weekends: Aston Villa are overrated by the markets.
They went off as short as 4/1 with Sky Bet to beat Liverpool at Anfield. At the start of the season they were the same price as Brighton for a top-four finish. It's all a bit over the top, no? They barely laid a glove on Liverpool and were thumped at Newcastle too.
Despite Villa winning each of their last eight Premier League games at Villa Park, I'm all for taking Crystal Palace on the double chance option at 10/11 with Sky Bet. Palace have only lost only three of 14 Premier League games since Roy Hodgson returned as boss and he is actually unbeaten in three meetings with Emery when the Spaniard was at Arsenal.
SCORE PREDICTION: 1-2 |
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A Saturday game will be a shock to the senses...
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I am slightly worried about this game. On the one hand our home form is superb and Palace's record at Villa Park is atrocious with two wins in over 50 years. On the other hand, we've got Watkins bang out of form, and an uncertain defence still trying to find the best combination and without its mainstay in Mings. Palace have got some pace up front which we've struggled with. We *should* win but I won't be overly surprised if we don't.
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We're starting to be written off as 'mid-table' already. Nevermind that we've started better than Chelsea or Man Utd, with a boatload of injuries. No, it's already decided that we're on the same level as Palace, more or less. It's really, really important that we do something about that.
Yes, think there is a perception that Europe will have a big impact on us. This is the sky prediction…
Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace, Saturday 3pm
I'll be testing out a theory over the next few weekends: Aston Villa are overrated by the markets.
They went off as short as 4/1 with Sky Bet to beat Liverpool at Anfield. At the start of the season they were the same price as Brighton for a top-four finish. It's all a bit over the top, no? They barely laid a glove on Liverpool and were thumped at Newcastle too.
Despite Villa winning each of their last eight Premier League games at Villa Park, I'm all for taking Crystal Palace on the double chance option at 10/11 with Sky Bet. Palace have only lost only three of 14 Premier League games since Roy Hodgson returned as boss and he is actually unbeaten in three meetings with Emery when the Spaniard was at Arsenal.
SCORE PREDICTION: 1-2 |
Same price as Brighton for top for is 'a bit over the top'! The fuck is going on?
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I'm expecting a narrow win but a lousy game, similar to last season at home.
I'm struggling to ever remember a great game against these, even in 80/81 we laboured to a 2-1 win even though they were bottom of the table.
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I get a similar sense as there was prior to the Everton game. A bad result the week before and there was a fair amount of anxiety but we battered them. Clearly, Palace are stronger opponents but I’m expecting Unai to have us focussed and raring to go and us to win by a couple.
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I am slightly worried about this game. On the one hand our home form is superb and Palace's record at Villa Park is atrocious with two wins in over 50 years. On the other hand, we've got Watkins bang out of form, and an uncertain defence still trying to find the best combination and without its mainstay in Mings. Palace have got some pace up front which we've struggled with. We *should* win but I won't be overly surprised if we don't.
I have had that nagging doubt too (though not the Watkins bit), however, I put it down to a loss last time out and then the extended International break. I'm more confident as the game approaches and thinking of our winning run at home.
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
Yes, but why haven’t they done that then? seems odd to completely give up on any revenue whatsoever.
Absolutely, but no odder than the "two badge" situation. Confused and illogical thinking seems to be the order of the day at the club, off the field anyway. Rather like someone coming in and making decisions to make an impact and impression rather than basing them on logic and taking into account the fans, sorry customers.
We'll all be referred to as clients soon.
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I'm expecting a narrow win but a lousy game, similar to last season at home.
I'm struggling to ever remember a great game against these, even in 80/81 we laboured to a 2-1 win even though they were bottom of the table.
I remember the game against Palace in 80/81. IIRC there had been an outbreak of flu at BHM during the week before and several players were still feeling the effects. I heard that Dennis Mortimer had to be helped off the pitch at the end as he didn't have the strength to make it to the dressing room on his own.
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SHQ, what I’m trying to say is that before any of our matches, there are some with wild predictions like 4-0 or 5-1 etc. Some were also saying this for our matches v Newcastle and Liverpool. There are also a lot of realistic assessments. I tend to go with the more realistic one. It’s because, mainly due to our injuries, we haven’t settled yet as a team so, never sure what type of performance we are going to get.
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We're starting to be written off as 'mid-table' already. Nevermind that we've started better than Chelsea or Man Utd, with a boatload of injuries. No, it's already decided that we're on the same level as Palace, more or less. It's really, really important that we do something about that.
Yes, think there is a perception that Europe will have a big impact on us. This is the sky prediction…
Aston Villa vs Crystal Palace, Saturday 3pm
I'll be testing out a theory over the next few weekends: Aston Villa are overrated by the markets.
They went off as short as 4/1 with Sky Bet to beat Liverpool at Anfield. At the start of the season they were the same price as Brighton for a top-four finish. It's all a bit over the top, no? They barely laid a glove on Liverpool and were thumped at Newcastle too.
Despite Villa winning each of their last eight Premier League games at Villa Park, I'm all for taking Crystal Palace on the double chance option at 10/11 with Sky Bet. Palace have only lost only three of 14 Premier League games since Roy Hodgson returned as boss and he is actually unbeaten in three meetings with Emery when the Spaniard was at Arsenal.
SCORE PREDICTION: 1-2 |
Same price as Brighton for top for is 'a bit over the top'! The fuck is going on?
They'd still be spouting this sort of bollocks if we were 10 points clear at the top with three games remaining talking about plucky Villa in with an outside chance of a top half finish and #could there be a Miracle in Manchester?
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For the first time in I don’t know how long we have got our home form sorted, I fully expect victory over these chancers tomorrow.
Aston Villa 3 - 1 Crystal Palace.
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No Carlos tomorrow.
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Emery: “Álex Moreno is training with the group and Jacob Ramsey is close to being with us.
"Diego Carlos and Tim Iroegbunam are out.
“Bertrand Traoré as well is close.”
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
Yes, but why haven’t they done that then? seems odd to completely give up on any revenue whatsoever.
Absolutely, but no odder than the "two badge" situation. Confused and illogical thinking seems to be the order of the day at the club, off the field anyway. Rather like someone coming in and making decisions to make an impact and impression rather than basing them on logic and taking into account the fans, sorry customers.
We'll all be referred to as clients soon.
The simplest answer is that it's probably a staffing issue.
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Emery: “Álex Moreno is training with the group and Jacob Ramsey is close to being with us.
"Diego Carlos and Tim Iroegbunam are out.
“Bertrand Traoré as well is close.”
DC being out is a concern.
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Emi
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
McGinn
Douglas
Kamara
Bailey
Watkins
Diaby
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
Yes, but why haven’t they done that then? seems odd to completely give up on any revenue whatsoever.
Absolutely, but no odder than the "two badge" situation. Confused and illogical thinking seems to be the order of the day at the club, off the field anyway. Rather like someone coming in and making decisions to make an impact and impression rather than basing them on logic and taking into account the fans, sorry customers.
We'll all be referred to as clients soon.
The simplest answer is that it's probably a staffing issue.
Could well be, buy why not say so? Lack of labour is a problem across hospitality so it would hardly be surprising. Shroud things in mystery and cynical old coves like me will only think the worst.
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Emi
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
McGinn
Douglas
Kamara
Bailey
Watkins
Diaby
Tielemans in for Bailey I reckon; or maybe Duran.
Moreno to come on as a sub at some point and hopefully we don't need to see Chambers.
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I shall be in Terrace View tomorrow and look forward to giving you peasants a full description *
*It's for a fan consultation board meeting. They'll have us out of there before the poshos arrive.
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
Not funny, but also really funny
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
Loved that.
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The simplest answer is that it's probably a staffing issue.
Could well be, buy why not say so? Lack of labour is a problem across hospitality so it would hardly be surprising. Shroud things in mystery and cynical old coves like me will only think the worst.
I agree, in fact I think that even if it is something else they should've said it was staffing issues because it's so obvious and understandable.
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AV84, yes, Emery said it was just a small hamstring injury so, I doubt we will ever see him playing again for Villa!!
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They've got a few out.
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AV84, yes, Emery said it was just a small hamstring injury so, I doubt we will ever see him playing again for Villa!!
He'll be like a new signing when he comes back in January.
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AV84, yes, Emery said it was just a small hamstring injury so, I doubt we will ever see him playing again for Villa!!
He'll be like a new signing when he comes back in January.
With one leg.
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
Diegone Carlos. :(
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They've got a few out.
Nice. Hoping we'll have Watkins back with his shooting boots, Diaby on full speed and a cameo from our big Italian international, Nicolò Zaniolo. No defensive cock ups, the midfield rock hard, Emi bored and a 4-0 Villa victory.
Time to step it up a gear.
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I shall be in Terrace View tomorrow and look forward to giving you peasants a full description *
*It's for a fan consultation board meeting. They'll have us out of there before the poshos arrive.
King Dave give us a wave!
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Could one save us a prawn vol-au-vent Dave? Thanks awfully.
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Could one save us a prawn vol-au-vent Dave? Thanks awfully.
You'll have a scratching and like it.
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Dave, knowing the Villa prices, that’ll probably be a tenner!!
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Guehi and Olise out for them which should help
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
I don't get it ?
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Surprised no one's really putting Lenglet in their line ups. Been with us a few weeks now and ultimately played 30 odd times for Spurs last season so he does have the experience in prem that Pau is currently learning.
Can save Torres for europe and perhaps return for Chelsea.
Given the injuries at the back that would seem a logical choice as Palace is sort of game where you can get away with a few steady eddies across the pitch.
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
I don't get it ?
I think it's just a joke that we always say players will be out for a week or two and then we don't see them for months.
Would imagine Donk in recent times is only one who really fits that description as Moreno had to have surgery so he was always going to be out for 3-4 months. Same for Ramsey breaking his foot in June so good news he is seemingly only a few weeks away from back in full training.
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
I don't get it ?
My love is dead?
I hope so, we buried him last week!
Oh, no. What did he die of
He died of a Tuesday.
Laurel and Hardy.
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They'll be nothing if not well organised, there won't be many goals, and we aren't up to keeping a clean sheet. 1-1.
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Watkins needs to end his goal drought, with Guehi out you'd hope he takes advantage
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Have we gotten any info on Carlos' injury? I know he's out for this weekend but I've been away this week and haven't been keeping up with the news, do we know what's wrong with him?
He passed away peacefully on Tuesday.
That got a proper belly laugh from me
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Emi
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
McGinn
Douglas
Kamara
Bailey
Watkins
Diaby
Think that will be the side. Would be nice to get a convincing win to get a bit of momentum, as the league fixture list looks pretty good up to the end of November.
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I don't mind being written off after losing to a side that most are expecting to be top two this season, takes a bit of the expectation off. Losing Mings may be costly just for his leadership but that's where a good manager earns his money. My only concern is we have no replacement for Watkins who has not had a good start to the season.
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I don't mind being written off after losing to a side that most are expecting to be top two this season, takes a bit of the expectation off. Losing Mings may be costly just for his leadership but that's where a good manager earns his money. My only concern is we have no replacement for Watkins who has not had a good start to the season.
Apart from scoring 3 goals in 6 games
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Surprised no one's really putting Lenglet in their line ups. Been with us a few weeks now and ultimately played 30 odd times for Spurs last season so he does have the experience in prem that Pau is currently learning.
Can save Torres for europe and perhaps return for Chelsea.
Given the injuries at the back that would seem a logical choice as Palace is sort of game where you can get away with a few steady eddies across the pitch.
I had totally forgotten we had signed him, its a decent shout.
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Seems like quite a few players probably out for Palace. Olise, Guehi, Tomkins.
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I don't mind being written off after losing to a side that most are expecting to be top two this season, takes a bit of the expectation off. Losing Mings may be costly just for his leadership but that's where a good manager earns his money. My only concern is we have no replacement for Watkins who has not had a good start to the season.
Apart from scoring 3 goals in 6 games
Vs a pub team.
He's scored 1 in 11 in the EPL .
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I don't mind being written off after losing to a side that most are expecting to be top two this season, takes a bit of the expectation off. Losing Mings may be costly just for his leadership but that's where a good manager earns his money. My only concern is we have no replacement for Watkins who has not had a good start to the season.
Apart from scoring 3 goals in 6 games
Vs a pub team.
He's scored 1 in 11 in the EPL .
He has, how many had he scored in the sequence before that? Just for balance
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
Yes, but why haven’t they done that then? seems odd to completely give up on any revenue whatsoever.
Absolutely, but no odder than the "two badge" situation. Confused and illogical thinking seems to be the order of the day at the club, off the field anyway. Rather like someone coming in and making decisions to make an impact and impression rather than basing them on logic and taking into account the fans, sorry customers.
We'll all be referred to as clients soon.
The simplest answer is that it's probably a staffing issue.
The actual answer is it is a building site at present As it's having a complete makeover
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Any word on the Holte Suite?
Closed til further notice. Ominous
Maybe a RACC problem?
That’s quite some revenue they are losing every home game. I am sure they will find an innovative and fan friendly way if making it up. :(
It was open last Friday for an event so the Suite is fully functional. My cynical side suggests that someone sees this as a revenue stream to be exploited by charging for admission/converting to hospitality and that it's function as part of your season ticket is long gone.
Yes, but why haven’t they done that then? seems odd to completely give up on any revenue whatsoever.
Absolutely, but no odder than the "two badge" situation. Confused and illogical thinking seems to be the order of the day at the club, off the field anyway. Rather like someone coming in and making decisions to make an impact and impression rather than basing them on logic and taking into account the fans, sorry customers.
We'll all be referred to as clients soon.
The simplest answer is that it's probably a staffing issue.
The actual answer is it is a building site at present As it's having a complete makeover
But managed to hold an event last Friday? I'm sure the attendance was small compared to a matchday but it's things like this that raise eyebrows. Why not tell us it's having a makeover? Why the lack of information?
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The actual answer is it is a building site at present As it's having a complete makeover
Stop introducing any factual information in this and throttling idle gossip. This sort of ac will close down internet in no time.
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Two things are against the Villa today. Roy with his ultra defensive formation and the fact that we have won 10 consecutive home games so law of averages and all that. Two things are in favour of the Villa today. Roy these days thinks he can attack teams with players like Olise and Eze, if he does he will get smacked and good teams playing great football usually win games.
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This is an important game for getting a feel for where we are.
So far we have hammered some poor teams, and been hammered by some good teams. I think a win is important today - as is no more injuries.
Still trying to gague where we are - there are always going to be ups and downs, and we have been very lucky since Unai came in - but this season some of the challenges we all knew could happen are. We have a lot of games, we have key players out injured, we have our one senior goal scorer off form.
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Ollise is out injured so he won't be a threat but they are a well drilled side who if they get their noses in front will be hard to unlock.
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This is an important game for getting a feel for where we are.
So far we have hammered some poor teams, and been hammered by some good teams. I think a win is important today - as is no more injuries.
Still trying to gague where we are - there are always going to be ups and downs, and we have been very lucky since Unai came in - but this season some of the challenges we all knew could happen are. We have a lot of games, we have key players out injured, we have our one senior goal scorer off form.
I feel the same, it's very hard to judge where we are based on the games we've played so far. Even the games we lost we seemed to be completely switched off in from the start, so it's difficult to even judge where we are agaisnt the top teams. Maybe that's me being overly optimistic, and maybe we are just that much "worse" than Liverpool, but it feels like we didn't perform at all in those games.
Obviously I'll take 3 points however they come, but I feel like a couple of 1-0 wins against tough opposition would do us the world of good right now.
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I thought (and will keep saying until I literally burst like Mr Creosote) that the Newcastle result was a bit freakish. They deserved the win, but they just had one of those days and we had one of those days and the scoreline was a bit exaggerated. Liverpool, they had us absolutely from the first minute, much more like our win over Newcastle in April. I think we and the Saudis will finish closer to each other than to Liverpool this season.
For that to happen, though, we really have to start winning games like this. Palace are a good, tough side - and we have to get used to the idea of beating good tough sides as a matter of course for our ambitions to mean anything.
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I sense a steady win today. 2-0. Luiz penalty and Watkins.
Dave to get thrown out the Terrace View for tutting too loudly at the beer prices.
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The media are already onto us following the batterings at Newcastle & Liverpool. They very much see us as mid table and last season was a blip. Games like today we have to win. Huge game.
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The media are already onto us following the batterings at Newcastle & Liverpool. They very much see us as mid table and last season was a blip. Games like today we have to win. Huge game.
If that really is the case that the media think this, I don’t mind us being under the radar.
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Yet we are above Red filth, Chelsea and Saudi...if you listened to the press last season was an anomaly and we are bang average.
Today a win is very important to addressee balance
I also fancy Brighton to get something against the scum
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Yet we are above Red filth, Chelsea and Saudi...if you listened to the press last season was an anomaly and we are bang average.
Today a win is very important to addressee balance
I also fancy Brighton to get something against the scum
Yah the press are trying to say we were right all along , Villa last season was a blip and this season is more representative
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I am happy with us being under the radar. I'm a long way from concerned - we have a great manager and some very good players. Progress will sometimes be 2 steps forward and 1 step back - but we're not exciting to the media- because we're not throwing money at things and were not one of the sky six. I don't see why the media seem to be loving Newcastle so much - Howe has done a great job - but they are just another side of the existential threat to football via sports washing and a desire for football to be turned into WWE.
The injuries and departures of Archer and Phil have left me feeling we're a little light, and Carlos & Pau are getting up to speed, but if we stick with the process I truly believe we'll get there.
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I am happy with us being under the radar. I'm a long way from concerned - we have a great manager and some very good players. Progress will sometimes be 2 steps forward and 1 step back - but we're not exciting to the media- because we're not throwing money at things and were not one of the sky six. I don't see why the media seem to be loving Newcastle so much - Howe has done a great job - but they are just another side of the existential threat to football via sports washing and a desire for football to be turned into WWE.
The injuries and departures of Archer and Phil have left me feeling we're a little light, and Carlos & Pau are getting up to speed, but if we stick with the process I truly believe we'll get there.
Yeah fully agree. Very early days yet - we're about where I thought we'd be given the injuries. I think a steady 2-0/3-1 today. A clean sheet would be nice, and Olise/Guehi being out today are big injuries for them.
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I think Watkins will score today.
2-0 Watkins and Bailey.
Any news on injuries? I am hoping Moreno is close to fitness now, be nice to see him on the bench. Also hoping Carlos is available.
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It's going to the Keystone Kops for the first 8 minutes and 0-1 by the ninth minute. I can feel it in my toenails.
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I think Watkins will score today.
2-0 Watkins and Bailey.
Any news on injuries? I am hoping Moreno is close to fitness now, be nice to see him on the bench. Also hoping Carlos is available.
Moreno has trained so on the bench I reckon, Emery has said Carlos is out.
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Cash-Konsa-Torres-Digne would be a sensible back four in the circumstances.
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Cash-Konsa-Torres-Digne would be a sensible back four in the circumstances.
Yep agree.
I think the only potential uncertainty with the starting 11 is Bailey or Zaniolo. I would like to see Zaniolo unleashed at Villa Park, but think he might start with Bailey. So,
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Kamara
Luiz
McGinn
Watkins
Diaby
Bailey
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Has to be Zaniolo over Bailey for me.
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Has to be Zaniolo over Bailey for me.
Me to, just not sure that’ll be the case
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I think Rambo's team be it unless Unai has spotted a weakness in their team and has a cunning plan.
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Roy Hodgson taken ill so not at the match. Wish me well but that’s not going to help us.
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Roy Hodgson taken ill so not at the match. Wish me well but that’s not going to help us.
Mate, what's got into you? You're doing a bit of a Wilma impression at the mo!
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Poor Roy. Hope it's nothing too serious.
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Roy Hodgson taken ill so not at the match. Wish me well but that’s not going to help us.
Mate, what's got into you? You're doing a bit of a Wilma impression at the mo!
Errrm…I see what you mean and it’s scary. In my defence I am very nervous about the match later😩
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Roy Hodgson taken ill so not at the match. Wish me well but that’s not going to help us.
Mate, what's got into you? You're doing a bit of a Wilma impression at the mo!
Errrm…I see what you mean and it’s scary.
Just bear in mind it's a slippery, loose-pebbled slope down to, well, Bedrock.
Poor Roy. Hope it's nothing too serious.
Echoed, hopefully he's just a bit under the weather.
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In what way is their manager not being at the game going to be anything other than a hindrance for them?
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Poor Roy. Hope it's nothing too serious.
Probably just regurgitating a pellet.
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Poor Roy. Hope it's nothing too serious.
Probably just regurgitating a pellet.
Very good
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HWWOW about to say a few words outside in the Trinity fan park.
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The media are already onto us following the batterings at Newcastle & Liverpool. They very much see us as mid table and last season was a blip. Games like today we have to win. Huge game.
Fuck the media and I hope they absolutely hate us. General national view of Birmingham is that we ain’t worth much. Let’s do it in the pitch and have the media crawl to us. I like we are not seen as a threat because we are Aston fucking Villa and we don’t need them. Now let’s batter these cockney chancers
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Cash-Konsa-Torres-Digne would be a sensible back four in the circumstances.
Yep agree.
I think the only potential uncertainty with the starting 11 is Bailey or Zaniolo. I would like to see Zaniolo unleashed at Villa Park, but think he might start with Bailey. So,
Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Torres
Digne
Kamara
Luiz
McGinn
Watkins
Diaby
Bailey
Good effort. No cigar. ;-)