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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on July 11, 2023, 10:15:56 PM
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We go yet again.
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I saw this, but haven’t seen anything from the club;
https://trainingground.guru/articles/idiakez-replaces-carss-as-aston-villa-under-21s-boss (https://trainingground.guru/articles/idiakez-replaces-carss-as-aston-villa-under-21s-boss)
Tony Carss apparently has moved from U21 Head Coach to replace Jedinak as loans manager, and has himself been replaced by Inigo Idiakez.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/20/-villa-appoint-inigo-idiakez-as-new-u21-coach/
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/20/-villa-appoint-inigo-idiakez-as-new-u21-coach/
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/20/-villa-appoint-inigo-idiakez-as-new-u21-coach/
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Sorry! But you did say the club hadn’t posted anything. I was merely pointing out that four days ago they had.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/20/-villa-appoint-inigo-idiakez-as-new-u21-coach/
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Sorry! But you did say the club hadn’t posted anything. I was merely pointing out that four days ago they had.
And I will never forgive you.
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https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/july/20/-villa-appoint-inigo-idiakez-as-new-u21-coach/
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Sorry! But you did say the club hadn’t posted anything. I was merely pointing out that four days ago they had.
And I will never forgive you.
Ahh… that famous Gascon temper.
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u21 fixtures are out - Albion u21 first game of the season at BH.
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u21 fixtures are out - Albion u21 first game of the season at BH.
Ah, Villa A v Villa Trialists.
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I’m too far gone to make sense of the Premier League 2 format.
I got to the end and understood that the team nearest the mantle place wins.
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Our U17s are playing in a tournament in Berlin.
They've reached the semi finals.
Villa v FC Porto.
0-0 ,after 18 minutes.
Watch it here : https://www.youtube.com/live/KX0MbHvltmI?feature=share
The commentary is in German
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Our U17s are playing in a tournament in Berlin.
Imaginative name for the tournament.
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Does what it says on the tin.
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Porto's little darlings are going down like nine-pins at every opportunity. The ref's not having any of it for the most part - leaving them to writhe around on the floor whilst play goes on.
They get up and carry on playing soon enough.
Here's a link to all the results so far.
https://youngster-cup.eu/en/https://youngster-cup.eu/en/https://youngster-cup.eu/en/
Juve are in the final - a bit of nominative determinism?
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Gone to penalties.
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Awful couple of penalties so far.
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Jesus Christ. We're shite at pens.
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And we lost.
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English team lose on penalties shocker.
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Nice to see our keeper displaying a little bit of shithousery and getting booked.
Our pens were woeful.
We'll play Borussia Monchengladbach in a 3rd/4th place play-off game.
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...and lose that on pens as well!
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Finn Azaz signed another extension and going back to Plymouth for another season - obv see enough in him that a decent season in Champ will get a return on the investment.
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U21 tea to face West Brom tonight at 6.00pm
(https://i.ibb.co/f0WKBQn/IMG-1004.jpg) (https://ibb.co/f0WKBQn)
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I thought Feeney had gone on loan to Blackpool.
Kaden Young not starting even though he's been training with the first team?
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Trial match for the young Boggies to get a move next summer :-)
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are the O'Reillys brothers ?
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are the O'Reillys brothers ?
No. Aaron's from Dublin, Tommi was born and raised in England.
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0-1 to West Brom after 23mins
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Think we have 2 Rowes in the Academy. Are they brothers?
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0-1 to West Brom after 23mins
Albion players have plenty of motivation.
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Still trail 0-1 at half-time….Feeney closest for Villa with a header against the bar.
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Shakpoke playing up front for them.
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Karen Young sent off - two yellows (66 mins)…still 0-1
Edit: now 0-2 69mins
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0-1 to West Brom after 23mins
Albion players have plenty of motivation.
They’re on trial to join us …
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Not a good night, now 0-3 (82mins)
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To be fare the Baggies were the better team. Their defensive work was top class and although we had plenty of the ball they prevented us from doing anything decent with it.
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Karen Young sent off - two yellows (66 mins)…still 0-1
Edit: now 0-2 69mins
Mixed gender game?
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Karen Young sent off - two yellows (66 mins)…still 0-1
Edit: now 0-2 69mins
Mixed gender game?
Bloody autocorrect…it was kaden when I typed it, honest! 😀
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Bogarde called up to first team training today - interesting to see if Emery has a plan for him whether as a CB or CDM.
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I think he's seen as a CB long-term but to be able to play out from the back, like Emery wants, he needs to be comfortable on the ball like a CDM.
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Bogarde called up to first team training today - interesting to see if Emery has a plan for him whether as a CB or CDM.
Curious how you know this? its a slow news day if villa are pumping out this content.
I’m not deliberately being rude just think that I’d be in the minority of villa fans, let alone humans, that’d find this interesting.
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Well I find it fascinating.
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Bogarde's gone back on loan to Bristol Rovers.
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Tonight’s U21 team away at Southampton
(https://i.ibb.co/Z26VDK1/IMG-1011.jpg) (https://ibb.co/Z26VDK1)
Match is free to watch via SaintsPlay using the code U21FREE
https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1692449949449883985?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
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Southampton 3 (Ballard scoring all 3) Aston Villa 2 (Kellyman scoring 2) at half-time
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Kellyman’s first goal
https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1692611512102183265?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
And his second goal
https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1692613444837454088?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
Both Courtesy of @academyavfc on Twitter/X
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I like the look of Kellyman...
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Finished Saints 4 - Villa 2…
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Defence has been taking lessons from the first team in the first couple of games?
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I see Rory Wilson has scored 5 goals in 2 games for the U18s.
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I see Rory Wilson has scored 5 goals in 2 games for the U18s.
He's far too good to be playing at that level, this is why we need to be clearing space in the U21s because players like that learn nothing from those games.
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He's far too good to be playing at that level, this is why we need to be clearing space in the U21s because players like that learn nothing from those games.
It sounds harsh to be writing people off as old at 21/22 but I do think there's sense in what we seem to be doing with Archer, A Ramsey etc. Wilson will be 18 in January, if he's got the talent we should be looking at getting him around the first team next summer.
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He's far too good to be playing at that level, this is why we need to be clearing space in the U21s because players like that learn nothing from those games.
It sounds harsh to be writing people off as old at 21/22 but I do think there's sense in what we seem to be doing with Archer, A Ramsey etc. Wilson will be 18 in January, if he's got the talent we should be looking at getting him around the first team next summer.
That's exactly why I think we're willing to let those players go. If you're 21/22 and aren't in the first team squad then there's no obvious place for you in the club. Loans can help but selling with a buy-back seems like a decent option to me, so long as the lower fee we get is reflected in a low-ish buy back.
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Aaron Ramsey is 20...
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That's exactly why I think we're willing to let those players go. If you're 21/22 and aren't in the first team squad then there's no obvious place for you in the club. Loans can help but selling with a buy-back seems like a decent option to me, so long as the lower fee we get is reflected in a low-ish buy back.
I agree. Lots of clubs have players of that age who have already made lots of appearances for their first teams. I'm sure there are examples of players who didn't come into their own until they were older, but there's way more that just never make that next step up. Obviously things will be judged on an individual basis, but generally speaking if you've had a successful year loan at a Championship side, the next step should be pushing into the first team.
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I see Rory Wilson has scored 5 goals in 2 games for the U18s.
He's 17 now, wouldn't be surprised in another 12 months, he's pushing for a first team place.
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That's exactly why I think we're willing to let those players go. If you're 21/22 and aren't in the first team squad then there's no obvious place for you in the club. Loans can help but selling with a buy-back seems like a decent option to me, so long as the lower fee we get is reflected in a low-ish buy back.
I agree. Lots of clubs have players of that age who have already made lots of appearances for their first teams. I'm sure there are examples of players who didn't come into their own until they were older, but there's way more that just never make that next step up. Obviously things will be judged on an individual basis, but generally speaking if you've had a successful year loan at a Championship side, the next step should be pushing into the first team.
One of the things Purslow got right was when he said you shouldn't have an under-21s team full of 21 year olds.
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It sounds harsh to be writing people off as old at 21/22 but I do think there's sense in what we seem to be doing with Archer, A Ramsey etc. Wilson will be 18 in January, if he's got the talent we should be looking at getting him around the first team next summer.
17 is the new 20 ...
If we agree that this is right - and I do, based upon other players (Jack, JJ) and the approach of other clubs - we definitely need to be moving some players along but then getting the brightest-prospect 16-18 yr olds out on loan earlier, so that they can then be integrated into the first-team squad by 18-19.
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We need to build Wilson up a bit and get him strong enough that he can handle a loan move. I read an article over the summer where he said the same thing himself.
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Yeah, Wilson will be 18 in January. Maybe a half season loan to get him playing regularly, somewhere we trust to look after him, and then have a serious look at him over the summer.
Obviously at that age players have to be managed carefully, and looked after, and what works for one kid won't work for every kid, but generally speaking, if they have the talent then they should be playing regularly at 18/19, even if it's in League2 just to see if they can cut it.
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Tonight’s U21 team to play Man City (A) at 6.00pm
Two ways to view in you so wish
https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1694985973812150429?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
https://x.com/academyavfc/status/1694986598687944899?s=61&t=0hDYp8sAC4KCDeo1iQp4OQ
(Info courtesy of @academyavfc)
(https://i.ibb.co/4gGp3DX/IMG-1018.jpg) (https://ibb.co/4gGp3DX)
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Villa 1 up after 1mins with a goal from Travis Patterson
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Omari Kellyman makes it 2 on 11mins
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Man City pull one back through Oboavwoduo on 13 mins
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Tommi O’Reilly makes it 1-3 on 23mins
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2-4 on 42'
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Kellyman with his 2nd after Sodje made 2-3 for Man City on 28mins
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3-4 on 45+4mins
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Still the same , unbelievably
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4-4 now…8mins off extra time to go
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4-4 now.
Kellyman seems to have taken a massive boost from his appearances in the US, 4 in 2 from midfield is pretty impressive.
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Finished 4-4…two late saves from Zych saves the day/night
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Some great goals by Kellyman and O’Reilly.
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Apparently we've beaten off competition from some other Premier League sides for a highly rated 15 year old midfielder from Port Vale.
https://www.footballinsider247.com/exclusive-aston-villa-agree-to-sign-freddie-lawrie-in-record-breaking-deal/
Mods - can we sticky this thread please? It had slipped down to page 3 in Heroes Discussion.
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U21s vs Brighton live on Brightons YouTube channel now
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The way we're kicking it about in our own box is making me more nervous than I'd like to be of a Friday evening.
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0 - 2 villa on 56 min
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2-0 to Villa, 55 minutes in.
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ugh.
Brighton pulled one back with a long range shot ~60 min
aaaand equalised in 95th min.
a pity because the defence looked solid in general
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Away to Sutton Utd tonight in the EFL Trophy.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/F6Z_qxVXwAAA12K?format=webp&name=small)
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Does that mean we won't be seeing Kellyman in the squad for Thursday?
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According to the BBC website the U21s are 1-0 at Sutton but nowhere shows who scored not even our own website.
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O'Reilly penalty after about 5 mins.
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Thanks PWS
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Kellyman makes it 2-0
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1-2 with 10 mins to go.
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Sutton nearly score 89th min. 10 mins added time. About 3 mins of it left now.
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So Sutton score in the 101st minute.
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2-2. 90+10
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And Sutton equalise.
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2-2!
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FT. Penalties for the extra point.
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And Sutton equalise.
yeah, it was a beauty man! Into penalties.
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To be fair Sutton beat Coventry once.
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Yes ! 5-4 on pens. Get in lads.
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Villa win 5-4 on pens.
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Well done lads!
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Excellent stuff
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I was there last night at Sutton United another ground chalked off we took 115 away fans.
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Well done Darren. Great effort..
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Well done Darren. Great effort..
Ditto.
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Who is the kid we got from Rangers who was breaking all scoring records?
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Who is the kid we got from Rangers who was breaking all scoring records?
Rory Wilson, looks too good for the U18s and has a decent record with the U21s despite still only being 17.
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Who is the kid we got from Rangers who was breaking all scoring records?
Rory Wilson, looks too good for the U18s and has a decent record with the U21s despite still only being 17.
I think he has 13 goals in 13 appearances for the u18s, in total...
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Rory Wilson equalises against Baggies and Cole Brannigan puts us ahead.
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I can see Scotland calling up Wilson at this rate. He's got to be better than Che Adams and Lyndon Dykes.
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3-1 now. Wilson again and Throstles down to 10 men.
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I can see Scotland calling up Wilson at this rate. He's got to be better than Che Adams and Lyndon Dykes.
He could be the new Islam Feruz :'(
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5-1 Villa. Half an hour to play. Rory Wilson hattrick and former Baggie Jameldeen Jimoh with the other.
Baggies had a man sent off towards the end of the first half.
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Jimoh penalty makes it 6-1. FTF.
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7-1, Wilson with 4.
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Full-time, 7-1.
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I can see Scotland calling up Wilson at this rate. He's got to be better than Che Adams and Lyndon Dykes.
I think you and I are better than that pair, Clampy!
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As I said in the week, Wilson is far too good to be playing U18 level. 9 in 5 at that level this season.
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As I said in the week, Wilson is far too good to be playing U18 level. 9 in 5 at that level this season.
is he a premier League starter yet?
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As I said in the week, Wilson is far too good to be playing U18 level. 9 in 5 at that level this season.
is he a premier League starter yet?
no, but I could see him making the bench later in the season
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Not sure I can see him making an Emery bench that soon.
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He clearly needs to be bumped up to the U21s to see how he can do at that level.
If he carries on doing well there, it's a loan move next.
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Not sure I can see him making an Emery bench that soon.
Kellyman is only four months older than Rory, so it won't be an age thing that stops him getting first-team exposure. I suspect he's just not as physically developed as a few other 17/18-year-olds right now. I've only seen VillaTV highlights, and he still looks quite lightwieght (if quite tall), which is fine, obviously, for a 17 year old. He's clearly showing he has a lot of natural talent, and as he physically develops he'll get his chances. A regular in the U21s by the end of the season. Maybe a loan next season if he's filled out a bit?
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Under 21's lost 3-2 having squandered a 2-0 lead and Sunderland scoring a late winner when we were down to 10 men. Ealing sent off for a heavy tackle.
Richards and Feeney our goalscorers. The latter being from a corner.
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Ealing very unlucky to be sent off, in my view.
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Have a spare ticket for Charlton tonight if anyone wants it. Don't need anything for it. PM me
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Getting battered.
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Better this half, although Charlton seem to have declared at 4-0.
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Most of their team were in the first team squad Sat
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Have we played Crawley already?
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No it’s next month
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Wowee, scored direct from a corner... #74
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Finished 4-2.
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Charlton only started one outfield player who had played on Saturday, and it was essentially a reserve line up, so I would have been hoping for a bit more.
I know this competition isn't the main barometer for measuring youth and academy, and we do have a few out on loan, but I am not sure if we have a top supply chain at the moment.
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Charlton only started one outfield player who had played on Saturday, and it was essentially a reserve line up, so I would have been hoping for a bit more.
I know this competition isn't the main barometer for measuring youth and academy, and we do have a few out on loan, but I am not sure if we have a top supply chain at the moment.
Yes, it is a sobering thought that from the hugely promising team that won the Youth Cup only Chukwuemeka has ever made a league start for us. None of the others have even appeared as a sub.
Something seems to be going wrong between that early stage and making it it to the first team. In recent years only Grealish and JJ have managed that. Both exceptional talents, but you would hope for more.
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Charlton only started one outfield player who had played on Saturday, and it was essentially a reserve line up, so I would have been hoping for a bit more.
I know this competition isn't the main barometer for measuring youth and academy, and we do have a few out on loan, but I am not sure if we have a top supply chain at the moment.
Yes, it is a sobering thought that from the hugely promising team that won the Youth Cup only Chukwuemeka has ever made a league start for us. None of the others have even appeared as a sub.
Something seems to be going wrong between that early stage and making it it to the first team. In recent years only Grealish and JJ have managed that. Both exceptional talents, but you would hope for more.
Sobering? From one single youth team we've brought in £35m in transfer fees so far, and have a handful of others on loan in the Championship and across the leagues. Of those who are still with the club, if they don't make it, and end up being sold, I'd be amazed if they don't generate a total of £50m. And that's from a SINGLE youth team. That's pretty incredible.
Sure, it would be great to have some of them starring in the first team, but if they're not quite good enough for where we are today, or if they want to move on themselves, then so be it. If each youth team that plays in the FA Youth Cup generated enough revenue when sold to buy a Diaby each season (as this one did), then I for one will be delighted!
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Neither Philogene nor Archer were in that team, only Aaron Ramsey. I think my disappointment though is more that we all love seeing our own kids making it into the first team. I agree £35m is a lot of money but I wonder if we couldn't take more risks sometimes. I thought how promising Kellyman looked in pre season for example, but now he isn't even on the bench. I do hope I'm wrong.
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I'd imagine most youth cup winning sides rarely see one or more make it into their first team to any notable degree.
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Neither Philogene nor Archer were in that team, only Aaron Ramsey. I think my disappointment though is more that we all love seeing our own kids making it into the first team. I agree £35m is a lot of money but I wonder if we couldn't take more risks sometimes. I thought how promising Kellyman looked in pre season for example, but now he isn't even on the bench. I do hope I'm wrong.
Ramsey and Chukwuemeka. The £35m doesn't include Archer and Philogene who were the year above, and too old for the FA Youth Cup winning side. Include them and we've paid for Diaby already.
Kellyman only turned 18 a couple of weeks ago, I'm not even remotely concerned by his lack of appearances to date. I'd expect him to have a loan either later this season, or next, before we start seeing him more regularly in our first team. At the end of NEXT season he'll still only be 19.
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I'd imagine most youth cup winning sides rarely see one or more make it into their first team to any notable degree.
Our last FA Youth Cup winning side saw quite a few of them appear in our first team, with varying degrees of longevity. Whittingham, Ridgewell, Davis, Moore S and Moore L. I'm sure that's WELL above the average.
I would imagine of our 2021 winning side four or five will have decent careers in the top couple of divisions - though at this rate, I'm not sure any of them will have significant careers with us (short of activating a buy-back clause).
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Yes of course you're right about the £35m. We certainly did very well with Chukwuemeka. I just hope one them makes it with the Villa!
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Somebody put up a team sheet from an old reserve game on Facebook the other day. There were a few who had/have decent careers - Weimann and Bannan were playing, Albrighton would normally have been but was injured, and Joe was on the bench. There were more than that but I can’t mind the others now.
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The challenge we have now, is that a youth prospect breaking into a side that is challenging for the top 6 has a much harder time than one trying to break into the side in the mid-table or below, or even in the Championship. The very best will still make it, but players who are still more than capable of having reasonable premier league careers might never get a chance with us.
I do sometimes wonder if Ramsey senior would have had the career he's had to date had he been two years younger and 'come of age' while we were upwardly mobile in the premier league. His breakthrough season, our second in the premier league, he appeared 20+ times, but was competing for a place on the pitch with the likes of Trez, Barkley, Marv, Anwar. Would he have got much of a look in if he was competing as an inexperienced 19-year-old with the likes of Bouba, Buendia, Diaby, Zaniolo, Traore, Bailey? Maybe, maybe not.
Timing is obviously important, and carries a certain amount of luck, but I do think our youth products coming through today will face a MUCH bigger challenge even compared to those who cam through four or five years ago.
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JJ had one loan move at Doncaster Rovers, in I think, Division one. He would have certainly had another season on loan in the Championship. Then it's a question of how you get someone like that Premier League experience. Maybe he would have been having cameos from the bench and starts in the cup games. The difference is that his style is ideal for the way Emery wants to play. He looked like he stepped up another level towards the end of the season. Brilliant against Newcastle and Brighton. Then even though his had limited time this season, it looked like it hadn't affected his progress.
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Another hat-trick for Wilson. Article written from Norwich's point of view as it's from their website.
Under-18s beaten at home to Aston Villa
Norwich City Under-18s were beaten 7-0 at home to Aston Villa in the Under-18s Premier League South.
Aston Villa took an early lead through Rory Wilson. The away side countered quickly and Charlie Pavey played Wilson through, and he finished beyond Henry Bullen.
Four minutes later, Aston Villa would double their lead. Ben Broggio assisted Luka Lynch, who found the bottom corner.
There would be a third for Villa after 17 minutes, as Wilson added his second goal of the game from close range.
Wilson completed his hat-trick as Aston Villa added a fourth before half-time. The Aston Villa forward finished from Broggio's corner.
Aston Villa added a fifth goal in the second half, with Broggio finding the top corner after being found by Cole Brannigan.
It would be six late on, as Jamaldeen Jimoh scored for the away side. Before in the fourth minute of injury time, Triston Rowe added a seventh.
Norwich City Under-18s: Bullen, Thompson, Simbai (Ozcan h-t), Keita, Ofori-Manteaw, Pinyoun, Daley (Sealey 61), Djedje, Myles, Mundle-Smith (Roberts 61), Bracking.
Unused subs: Ruddy, Madu.
Bookings: Daley (36), Simbai (45+2), Pinyoun (71)
Aston Villa Under-18s: Lewis, Rowe, Fortes (Asante-Boakye 67), Timson, Katsukunya, Borland, Jimoh, Pavey (Simpson 61), Lynch (Mulley 67), Wilson (Brannigan 61), Broggio,
Unused subs: Proctor.
Bookings: Fortes (63), Simpson (73)
Goals: Wilson (7, 17, 43), Lynch (11), Broggio (64), Jimoh (84), Rowe (90+4)
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Broggio is meant to be a very tidy prospect too...
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Hat-trick and he only played for an hour. Not bad.
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Could have done with him playing for the Under 21's last night.
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Stuck record I know, but it really is time that Wilson was bumped up to the U-21s.
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The challenge we have now, is that a youth prospect breaking into a side that is challenging for the top 6 has a much harder time than one trying to break into the side in the mid-table or below, or even in the Championship. The very best will still make it, but players who are still more than capable of having reasonable premier league careers might never get a chance with us.
I do sometimes wonder if Ramsey senior would have had the career he's had to date had he been two years younger and 'come of age' while we were upwardly mobile in the premier league. His breakthrough season, our second in the premier league, he appeared 20+ times, but was competing for a place on the pitch with the likes of Trez, Barkley, Marv, Anwar. Would he have got much of a look in if he was competing as an inexperienced 19-year-old with the likes of Bouba, Buendia, Diaby, Zaniolo, Traore, Bailey? Maybe, maybe not.
Timing is obviously important, and carries a certain amount of luck, but I do think our youth products coming through today will face a MUCH bigger challenge even compared to those who cam through four or five years ago.
All valid, except if we qualify for europa/conference. That’s the perfect transition for young players.
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Looks as if we're keen to try and tie Rory Wilson down to a long term contract, with 15 goals in 20 appearances last season and 11 in 7 so far this year, it's easy to see why.
https://x.com/villareport/status/1721121929459802590?t=9bvJaxrynkBr2hSJ9Dq7QQ&s=08
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https://www.scotsman.com/sport/football/international/rory-wilson-scotlands-exciting-forward-has-taken-rangers-form-to-aston-villa-32-goal-season-first-team-aim-4150659
He sounds like a sensible lad, with the right approach and a realistic view of how his career will progress.
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Good to hear that he has already built a little bulk... 👍
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U-21s 2-0 down to Crawley atm
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Kellyman injured in fruitless slide to stop a throw in 😞
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2-1 Moore. Walked round a half asleep home defence and slotted in. Better reflection of the game now
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Fingertip save preventing 2-2
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Any updates?
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Any updates?
Lost 3-2
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And Kellyman got a nasty injury.
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Wish I hadn’t asked.
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A decent, hard working performance. Crawley put out about half a first team and their experience showed at the crucial moments.
Tim I looked very assured in midfield and looks like he has a future at this level. Ditto Ben Chrisene at left back. As this is an area where we are quite strong it might be advantageous for him to go out on loan again in the January window; I understand he was loaned out to Kilmarnock last season, so something similar again might work
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Not sure how much experience he will have got at Kilmarnock given that he did his cruciate up there.
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Not sure how much experience he will have got at Kilmarnock given that he did his cruciate up there.
Oh I didn't realise that. He does seem injury prone, he limped off both last night and against Charlton last month.
He got 13 first team games in at Killie, even so
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Not sure how much experience he will have got at Kilmarnock given that he did his cruciate up there.
Oh I didn't realise that. He does seem injury prone, he limped off both last night and against Charlton last month.
He got 13 first team games in at Killie, even so
I've pointed this out a few times but little injuries are really common for a while after ACL and PCL (and MCL to a lesser extent) injuries, it's because even with a near perfect recovery it's very rare for the joint to go back to exactly as it was, either because of changes to your gait or simply that as the strength returns the muscles, etc don't come back exactly as they were. I don't think it makes someone injury prone, it's just part of the healing process for most people.
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We see the same thing with Mings and Buendia then. I'm already wary with Moreno's torn hamstring and the amount of running he's required to do and how important his acceleration was to him.
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Anybody know what the situation is now with Tim Iroegbunam? Is he still injured?
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Anybody know what the situation is now with Tim Iroegbunam? Is he still injured?
A decent, hard working performance. Crawley put out about half a first team and their experience showed at the crucial moments.
Tim I looked very assured in midfield and looks like he has a future at this level. Ditto Ben Chrisene at left back. As this is an area where we are quite strong it might be advantageous for him to go out on loan again in the January window; I understand he was loaned out to Kilmarnock last season, so something similar again might work
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Anyone know if Rory Wilson is too young still for higher team appearances? Only asking as Brighton are obviously blooding Ferguson and without Duran, we have no other really recognised strikers at the 20-21 age level that I'm aware of.
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2-1 Moore. Walked round a half asleep home defence and slotted in. Better reflection of the game now
The Moore being Stefan Moore's son, if anybody doesn't already feel old.
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2-1 Moore. Walked round a half asleep home defence and slotted in. Better reflection of the game now
The Moore being Stefan Moore's son, if anybody doesn't already feel old.
He looks a tall lad...
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U21's beat Swansea tonight 3-4 after being 3-1 down. Winner in the 8th minute of stppage time. Scorers Rowe, Richards, Moore (2).
In case anyone is worried the Richards is not Micah.
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Hopefully Moreno came through unscathed?
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Hopefully Moreno came through unscathed?
Think taken off after about 60 minutes. Double substitution, so think he got the runout we wanted.
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Couple of 16 year old Japanese players training with the Academy.
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If anyone local is interested Sutton Town will play Villa in the Birmingham Senior Cup on Tuesday 9th January.
Dave Cooper for one will be happy.
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If anyone local is interested Sutton Town will play Villa in the Birmingham Senior Cup on Tuesday 9th January.
Dave Cooper for one will be happy.
SCTFC 1- 3 Villa
Bloody hell it was as cold as I’ve ever been at a match, perishing.
Even first half as the home sides physicality never let what looked like a very young side settle into any kind of rhythm
Centre forward, I was told by the bloke next to me was called Rico Richards and signed from WBA, opened the scoring with a belter, a real beauty curled in from 20 yards. Sutton equalised after 70ish.
Villa scored 2 in stoppage time.
Cant say I was particularly impressed with us to be honest, created very little that wasn’t a mistake until the very latter part of the game.
Pick of the players were Feeney who looked like a Rolls Royce among stock cars, the left back and no10 who was perhaps Tommy O’Reilly (?). Rory Wilson came on, nice touch but didn’t threaten
Did I mention it was cold?
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10 was Tommi O'Reilly.
If the left back was 3, it was a lad called Munroe.
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https://x.com/SCTFC/status/1745163621049446469?t=oAWkbQEZq7RgDx8wUb-lgg&s=08
Villa doing the right thing - again, helping our local clubs.
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https://x.com/SCTFC/status/1745163621049446469?t=oAWkbQEZq7RgDx8wUb-lgg&s=08
Villa doing the right thing - again, helping our local clubs.
It’s nice to see.
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https://x.com/SCTFC/status/1745163621049446469?t=oAWkbQEZq7RgDx8wUb-lgg&s=08
Villa doing the right thing - again, helping our local clubs.
Cracking stuff... 👍
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Villa appoint Gombau as Under-21 Head Coach
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/11/villa-appoint-gombau-as-under-21-head-coach/
Aston Villa hand key job to former Ange Postecoglou assistant
https://www.birminghammail.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/aston-villa-hand-key-job-28430927
Happy to see him come onboard
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Interesting!
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Who is he replacing?
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A Basque mate of Unais who only joined in the Summer. He’s off to manage a Spanish lower league team who are linked to us.
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Who is he replacing?
Inigo Idiakez.
He has joined Real Union Club so the link up between the two can be pretty tight apparently.
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Idiakez going there must open the possibility of some of our kids going over there and getting some experience.
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Emery is here for the long haul.
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It'd be good to see the multi-club model starting to get going with players moving between clubs. Get the likes of Feeney over to Portugal for the season.
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Doing so also creates spaces for more young players to come through and develop. It would be good to get the numbers game working in our favour, with lots of young players with potential all either being in our own system, on loan to one of the clubs in the group or out on loan domestically.
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Inigo Idiakez.
He has joined Real Union Club so the link up between the two can be pretty tight apparently.
"Your name is Inigo Idiakez. You'll manage the club of my father. Prepare to fly!"
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Idiakez used to be quite a handy player on Championship Manager, back in the day.
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Rico Richards has been loaned out to Stockport County.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/18/rico-richards/ (https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2024/january/18/rico-richards/)
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I see Omari Kellyman got on for a half hour today for the U21's in an away 5-3 defeat to Spurs. Rory Wilson got our first after two minutes.
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I see Omari Kellyman got on for a half hour today for the U21's in an away 5-3 defeat to Spurs. Rory Wilson got our first after two minutes.
I think he was on the bench yesterday too.
Good to see him coning back into the fold.
Emery clearly likes him...
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I see Omari Kellyman got on for a half hour today for the U21's in an away 5-3 defeat to Spurs. Rory Wilson got our first after two minutes.
I think he was on the bench yesterday too.
Good to see him coning back into the fold.
Emery clearly likes him...
Absolutely, now he’s had his conetract extended.
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Ben Broggio has signed a new contract in his 17th birthday.
He is meant to be quite an exciting player.
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Playing Stoke City u21’s tonight. Ciaran Clark & Wesley both start for Stoke.
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Playing Stoke City u21’s tonight. Ciaran Clark & Wesley both start for Stoke.
Just put it on now.
Thought Clarke had long gone.
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Playing Stoke City u21’s tonight. Ciaran Clark & Wesley both start for Stoke.
That's incredibly depressing to read.
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Danny Johnson started as well.
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2-2. Clark scored.
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Amazingly, Clark was a Newcastle player until last year.
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Finished Villa U21s 2-2 Villa Old Stars.
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Won 6-2 tonight. Young, Moore, Kellyman (2) and Wilson (2).
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Good to see Kellyman back and scoring
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We're playing The Lye in the BSC tonight. It's only £5 admission and The should be congratulated for reducing the prices when they could have charged double. Their ground is also the most iconicly archetypal non-leaguer in the country and it's easy to get there from Snow Hill.
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Is Prince Henry playing?
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One-nil down.
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Two-nil.
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2-1.
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3-1.
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3-2.
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3-2.
Decent game Dave?
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3-3.
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Penalties.
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Won 5-4.
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3-2.
Decent game Dave?
We started badly then got into it, missed a late penalty and there was a glorious 20 man handbags that our manager got involved with.
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Was Stefan there?
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A certain Lander Emery with the key penalty saves.
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3-2.
Decent game Dave?
We started badly then got into it, missed a late penalty and there was a glorious 20 man handbags that our manager got involved with.
Gotta love mass handbags
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Looks like we are taking yet another academy prospect from that lot just up the A41 in Sandwell. Tay fayre
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Looks like we are taking yet another academy prospect from that lot just up the A41 in Sandwell. Tay fayre
More details here. https://twitter.com/TheSecretScout_/status/1767464933652865250
"Come all without, come all within, You'll not see nothing like the mighty Quinn..."
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Keep them coming Baggies.
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Pity none ever make the 1st team
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Pity none ever make the 1st team
Apart from Tim and Rogers (even if he did come indirectly)
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Looks like we are taking yet another academy prospect from that lot just up the A41 in Sandwell. Tay fayre
Been on the cards for weeks. Villa offered too much £ to turn down and he wanted to go.
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Kerr Smith coming back. Doesn't look he's had much joy;
https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/kerr-smith-returns-to-aston-villa (https://www.perthstjohnstonefc.co.uk/news/article/kerr-smith-returns-to-aston-villa)
Played 145 minutes across three league games.
Edit: He's apparently injured.
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Hamstring injury and out for the rest of the season, so possibly torn. Like Louie Barry in that case.
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Looks like Louie Barry is back in some form of training this week;
https://the72.co.uk/2024/03/25/big-boost-stockport-county-boss-shares-injury-latest-on-aston-villa-loanee-louie-barry/ (https://the72.co.uk/2024/03/25/big-boost-stockport-county-boss-shares-injury-latest-on-aston-villa-loanee-louie-barry/)
Not ready to play, but you'd think if they didn't feel he had a chance of returning to the line-up this season he'd have come back to us.
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*STOP THE PRESS*
John Townley
@johntownley11
Aston Villa have signed highly-rated 16yo George Hemmings from Nottingham Forest. The midfielder - who has represented England at U16 level - will initially link up with the club's U18s.
Keep em coming, in the long term it's signings like this that will define how far we can go, if we can make a steady profit from kids like this and have a few break into the first team squad then we can save the big money for 'marquee' signings and let the squad depth develop more naturally.
Has signed his first professional contract. https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1776214714936144316
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Not sure if I’ve missed it, but if not I’m surprised no-one has posted about us getting to the Birmingham Senior Cup final. We’ve got Racing Warwick apparently. Where’s Dave Cooper when you need him?
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Not sure if I’ve missed it, but if not I’m surprised no-one has posted about us getting to the Birmingham Senior Cup final. We’ve got Racing Warwick apparently. Where’s Dave Cooper when you need him?
Watching HMHB.
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When did we start entering that cup again?
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When did we start entering that cup again?
Me'n'joe were talking about that last night and we didn't know - it just happened.
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Entered Birmingham Senior Cup last season too amd maybe the one before.
Beat Coventry 3-1 in the Semis.
Not sure where and when the Final against Racing Warwick will be?
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Villa won 5-3 tonight. Moore with a couple and I think Pierre as well.
Wondered who he was but we signed him for a record fee apparently.
https://www.facebook.com/CabotFederation/videos/premier-league-football-team-aston-villa-have-just-signed-kyrie-pierre-a-year-11/204333814868997/
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I think its a bit off signing players from teams other than West Brom.
I watched Villa play in the Senior Cup this season, at Sutton Town. One of the fellas there said it was the second season we'd put a team in.
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Villa won 5-3 tonight. Moore with a couple and I think Pierre as well.
Wondered who he was but we signed him for a record fee apparently.
https://www.facebook.com/CabotFederation/videos/premier-league-football-team-aston-villa-have-just-signed-kyrie-pierre-a-year-11/204333814868997/
I like the look of him, could be another option in the JJ role in a year or 2.
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Pierre always struck me as being on the small side.
Has he shot up recently?
(Not a drug reference, btw)
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Louie Barry, the man with all the vowels, has said that he's not going away at the end of Stockport's season, and will be joining our first team until the end of the season.
"I’m going back to Villa, I’m missing the lads’ holiday, I’m going back to Villa with the first-team so hopefully I can show the gaffer there what I can do."
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Fair play to the kid trying to get himself in front of the manager. Not sure it will do him much good for Villa first team football, but I respect his effort.
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If things go our way and we get 4th spot done with a couple of games to spare, he might get a bit of game time if he impresses in training.
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If things go our way and we get 4th spot done with a couple of games to spare, he might get a bit of game time if he impresses in training.
What are the rules regarding that? I assumed his registration will stay with Stockport until the window opens.
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If things go our way and we get 4th spot done with a couple of games to spare, he might get a bit of game time if he impresses in training.
What are the rules regarding that? I assumed his registration will stay with Stockport until the window opens.
Yeah, he won't be playing any first team games for us, so I think this is all about time on the training ground, trying to impress the coaching staff - which to be fair to him, shows an excellent attitude. I guess it's unlikely he'll be in our squad next season, but after starring in League Two, you'd expect him to have a few Championship sides in for him for a loan, so he could follow Archer's career path if it goes well. He clearly has talent, enough for the top level? Who knows, but he's done really well this season, so deserves a decent crack at a higher level.
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U21s 1-0 up against Hotspurts in PL2 playoffs.
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Lost 4-3 AET.
Apparently, we got the rough end of two big decisions.
Jamaldeen Jimoh came on and grabbed a couple of goals. He looks like he could make a player.
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Kids are at Home VP in the final of the Bham Senior Cup v Racing Club Warwick, Weds 15 May.
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Kids are at Home VP in the final of the Bham Senior Cup v Racing Club Warwick, Weds 15 May.
Still tickets available for this!
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It was a tough one for the kids tonight in the B'ham Senior Cup, could only manage to win 9-0. One for the trophy cabinet.
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Who said we'd never win anything under Emery?
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Who said we'd never win anything under Emery?
Probably BC Villain.
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The U18'S had a bit of fun in Berlin post season it seems
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1792856078612324748?t=ooEe3Zuv7YTLbi7BZLzu1Q&s=19
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The U18'S had a bit of fun in Berlin post season it seems
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1792856078612324748?t=ooEe3Zuv7YTLbi7BZLzu1Q&s=19
That was not the kind of 'fun in Berlin' I had in mind when I clicked the link. :(
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The U18'S had a bit of fun in Berlin post season it seems
https://twitter.com/academyavfc/status/1792856078612324748?t=ooEe3Zuv7YTLbi7BZLzu1Q&s=19
Who is Number 7 who didn't like getting soggy?
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Hong Kong Sevens this weekend which is normally good for YouTube action on Saturday / Sunday morning
Any word yet on which youngsters retained / released?
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Hong Kong Sevens this weekend which is normally good for YouTube action on Saturday / Sunday morning
Any word yet on which youngsters retained / released?
It’s on now, we’re 2-0 up against somebody.
Edit: we won 3-0.
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Won 3-0, 3rd was a lob from the halfway line.
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Hong Kong Sevens
Villa 2 West Spam 0
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James Wright certainly seems happy to have the ball at his feet, which is how Unai likes 'em.
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Just beaten Zombie Rangers 2-0 in the quarter finals.
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Into the final now. Just beat Hong Kong Rangers 2-0 in the semi final.
The link below allows you to watch the games live (on right hand side).
https://hksoccersevens.com/matches/
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Lost 2-0 to Brighton in the final. Both keepers made lots of fantastic saves. Kellman was out injured for semi and final. Got clattered by a Rangers thug. Was on crutches watching the final. He was again outstanding in the other games.
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Lost 2-0 to Brighton in the final. Both keepers made lots of fantastic saves. Kellman was out injured for semi and final. Got clattered by a Rangers thug. Was on crutches watching the final. He was again outstanding in the other games.
Hopefully Kellymans injury looks worse than it is. I was hoping that Emery could take a good look at him pre-season & send him out on a good loan...
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James Wright certainly seems happy to have the ball at his feet, which is how Unai likes 'em.
Yep. I can't remember if it was the first or second match where he is 10 yards outside the oppositions area assisting a goal.
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It was the game against West Ham.
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Tweeted: The club has confirmed a number of departures from our Academy following the expiration of contracts.
Best of luck to Chisom Afoka, Frankie Ealing, Taylor-Jay Hart, Aaron O’Reilly, Teddy Rowe, Jack McDowell, Dylan Mitchell and Abube Onuchukwu.
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Jack McDowall is now at QPR, I believe.
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I thought Teddy Rowe was quite well thought of.
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Bit titchy but he could certainly take a good direct free-kick.
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Bit titchy but he could certainly take a good direct free-kick.
Heard a podcast the other day that said Tristan (?) Rowe is one of the most promising Dave. And Jamal something who we got off the Albion. Whaddya reckon?
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Hi Perce.
Yes, Rowe looks a good player. Chelsea were rumoured to be interested in him about a year back.
I saw Jamaal Jimoh score a brilliant individual goal at Burton in the Youth Cup (we lost) so I've kept an eye on him. He looks like a determined character to me (England U-18s?) despite our Baggies academy contact suggesting that there were doubts about his temperament.
On another subject, would it be okay to PM you re the Jimmy Hoffa stuff you were telling me about the other day?
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Hi Perce.
Yes, Rowe looks a good player. Chelsea were rumoured to be interested in him about a year back.
I saw Jamaal Jimoh score a brilliant individual goal at Burton in the Youth Cup (we lost) so I've kept an eye on him. He looks like a determined character to me (England U-18s?) despite our Baggies academy contact suggesting that there were doubts about his temperament.
On another subject, would it be okay to PM you re the Jimmy Hoffa stuff you were telling me about the other day?
Cheers Dave, and of course! I love talking about that shit.
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Hi Perce.
Yes, Rowe looks a good player. Chelsea were rumoured to be interested in him about a year back.
I saw Jamaal Jimoh score a brilliant individual goal at Burton in the Youth Cup (we lost) so I've kept an eye on him. He looks like a determined character to me (England U-18s?) despite our Baggies academy contact suggesting that there were doubts about his temperament.
On another subject, would it be okay to PM you re the Jimmy Hoffa stuff you were telling me about the other day?
JJ is a lovely kid. He missed out (harshly I thought) on the u17 Euros last year despite playing in group games. He can be a bit 'laid back' and he completely switched off once he knew other clubs were sniffing around. Lacked effort in training and his stats were woeful in PL tests.
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Thanks, Rotters.
What's a PL test, btw?
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Premier League (PL) come in three times a year to test lads fitness as part of a research project. 1km run, yo-yo (like bleep test) and an agility test.
Preseason, Christmas and end of season.
Clubs also run there own tests and have parameters that should be met, otherwise it's 'extras'.
The suggestion was JJ couldn't be arsed with tests and wouldn't put any effort in.
WBA weigh lads & skinfolds every week. 1st team daily!
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Thanks, Rotterdam.
I had no idea about this! How long has it been going on?
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Thought I'd look at what's become of our 2021 FA Youth Cup winning squad
Released/free transfer
Brad Young - now at New Saints
Arjan Raikhy - joined Leicester
Hayden Lindley - joined Darlington, now unattached
Paul Appiah - joined Leicester
Dewain Sewell - unattached
Mamadou Sylla - joined UD Almeira, now unattached
Kahrel Reddin - joined Stoke
Still on the books
Filip Marschall
Olivier Zych
Sil Swinkels
Seb Revan
Kane Kesler-Hayden
Louie Barry
Tommi O'Reilly
Sold - thus far
Chucky £20m.
Aaron Ramsey £14m
Lamare Bogarde £4m
TOTAL £38m
Shows how difficult it is to break through into the first team, but also how important the development of talent can be financially, particularly with regard to FFP/PSR.
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Anyone heard an update on the Rory Wilson contract situation?
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Anyone heard an update on the Rory Wilson contract situation?
His current contract expires next summer.
We put a 5yr deal on the table, but he hasn't signed it - yet.
Is he holding out for something better?
Do we offer him something "better"?
We'll want to tie him down to a long contract, but what will it take to get him to sign l?
Does he intend to let it run down and leave on a free?
Should we try and move him on for a big fee?
Bit of a stand-off at present it seems.
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To be fair to Wilson, he might have expected a look-in by now, even if only on the bench. If he's being a greedy twat, I've little sympathy. He'll be rich beyond his wildest dreams if he stays at Villa. If he thinks he has a better chance of first team football elsewhere, I wouldn't slate him for wanting to try.
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To be fair to Wilson, he might have expected a look-in by now, even if only on the bench. If he's being a greedy twat, I've little sympathy. He'll be rich beyond his wildest dreams if he stays at Villa. If he thinks he has a better chance of first team football elsewhere, I wouldn't slate him for wanting to try.
Whenever I’ve seen him play for the 23’s he’s looked v v decent but not particularly stand out…hopefully he will sign a deal and then get a loan next season
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To be fair to Wilson, he might have expected a look-in by now, even if only on the bench. If he's being a greedy twat, I've little sympathy. He'll be rich beyond his wildest dreams if he stays at Villa. If he thinks he has a better chance of first team football elsewhere, I wouldn't slate him for wanting to try.
Parents, agents, assorted relatives - wonder who's whispering in his ear?
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You would think if he's nowhere near the first team but we're still offering him a 5 year deal, he should be snapping our hands off for it. Away out on loan for a season and prove he deserves better.
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At the end of last season he did an interview where even he admitted he needed to bulk up a bit before he went out on loan. Seemed self-aware then.
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Where's Bogarde gone?
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Jacob Tanswell at The Athletic reckons they are trying to coach his all-round game as at the moment he’s just a finisher.
Edit: Rory Wilson I mean. Just realised I’ve posted in the middle of some Bogarde chat.
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Where's Bogarde gone?
Nowhere yet, but talk of Forest for £4m
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We won’t get to play across the city in the group stage of EFL Trophy unfortunately as we’re in the northern half of the draw and they’re in the southern half in a group with Walsall and Shrewsbury.
We’ll know who we play on Thursday. I always enjoy getting to some of our games in this each season.
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Rory Wilson is still only 18, so if the club are offering him a 5-year contract, they must see something in him. I'm guessing if he's good enough, a loan this season could be on the cards (assuming his contract situation is resolved and they think he's up to it physically - plenty of 18 year olds aren't fully developed).
I remember reading somewhere that he averages over a goal a game for our U18s side? And that he's the only player we've ever had at that level who's done that?
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The EFL Trophy draw has grouped our U21s with Barrow, Bolton & Fleetwood.
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The EFL Trophy draw has grouped our U21s with Barrow, Bolton & Fleetwood.
Curiously our U21s are in the Northern Sectuon, but Blues and Walsall are in the Southern Section.
Trip to Fleetwood coming up - I've already been to Barrow and Bolton (Burnden Psrk and The Reebok - as was).