Post by: Ads on June 10, 2023, 05:38:44 PM
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Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 05:42:52 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 05:43:49 PM
Don't know what you're talking about *whistles*
Haha. Fuck. I deleted my post when I saw you corrected the last name having got it wrong again. Nice job cleaning up mate
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 05:48:39 PM
Post by: charlatan on June 10, 2023, 05:50:22 PM
Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Luiz total spend around £20m.Or what we got for Chukwuemeka?
Post by: Stu on June 10, 2023, 05:53:59 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 10, 2023, 05:54:22 PM
Don't know what you're talking about *whistles*
I reckon Risso has got his three letter words mixed up.
Post by: Drummond on June 10, 2023, 05:54:22 PM
All the speculation about Newcastle, Arsenal, Milan etc shown to be completely wrong.
Post by: Richard E on June 10, 2023, 05:55:17 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on June 10, 2023, 05:55:56 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2023, 05:57:50 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 05:58:17 PM
Goals video 2019-2022
Skills and goals
Post by: SaddVillan on June 10, 2023, 06:00:45 PM
ASTON VILLA AGREE DEAL TO SIGN YOURI TIELEMANS
Aston Villa have agreed a deal to sign Youri Tielemans.
He is now undergoing a medical.
The former Leicester City midfielder departed the King Power Stadium this summer after his contract expired. He has previously been heavily linked with clubs in the Champions League and there has been competition from across Europe for his signature.
The 26-year-old is now on the cusp of becoming Villa’s first signing of the summer as they prepare for next season. They qualified for the Europa Conference League after finishing seventh in the Premier League last campaign.
The Athletic reported earlier this week that Villa had joined the race to sign him.
Tielemans joined Leicester from AS Monaco, initially on loan in January 2019, before the move was made permanent six months later.
The Belgium international made 195 appearances for Leicester during his four years at the King Power, helping guide the side to consecutive fifth-place finishes in 2019 and 2020, and played a key role in his former side’s FA Cup triumph in 2021, scoring the winner against Chelsea at Wembley.
Leicester were relegated at the end of last season.
Post by: SaddVillan on June 10, 2023, 06:01:39 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2023, 06:01:42 PM
Post by: Smirker on June 10, 2023, 06:01:48 PM
Hopefully he will be brilliant.
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 06:03:07 PM
Great signing and he's a great addition to the midfield.
Exciting.
Post by: Daley’s dreads on June 10, 2023, 06:03:30 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2023, 06:09:09 PM
Leicester fans seemed to be split 50/50 on their forums as to his effort/form so I am unsure about this but if Unai wants him then that tells me it's the right decision.
Hopefully he will be brilliant.
You’d hope that the completion will keep him on his toes. Dendonker to Kamara is the only obvious drop off in quality.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2023, 06:11:19 PM
Post by: Villa Lew on June 10, 2023, 06:13:04 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 06:13:09 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 06:13:15 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 06:14:21 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 06:15:35 PM
Ranks 10th for most tackles in the league.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 10, 2023, 06:15:44 PM
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2023, 06:16:30 PM
That pair as a double pivot (as is the common parlance now) when we rotate could be useful.
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2023, 06:17:00 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on June 10, 2023, 06:17:40 PM
Can't argue with this as a free, before this season he was expected to go to Arsenal so he's obviously talented.I would rather have YT for free than 90m for Rice
Post by: Stu82 on June 10, 2023, 06:21:29 PM
Would like to see Guendozi too.
Post by: LukeJames on June 10, 2023, 06:26:34 PM
Leicester fans seemed to be split 50/50 on their forums as to his effort/form so I am unsure about this but if Unai wants him then that tells me it's the right decision.I think if Gerrard had stayed and we were to sell Douglas Luiz or SJM then the comments on here would resemble pretty much what the Leicester fans are saying about Tielemans. I have absolutely no doubt that Unai will get him back to his best form quickly.
Hopefully he will be brilliant.
As a side note, how is he only 26 and just entering his prime? Seems to have been around for ever.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2023, 06:26:54 PM
Looks like a great signing, on a free as well.
Would like to see Guendozi too.
I reckon we have enough players of that ilk now. The next priority is to upgrade Bailey imo.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2023, 06:33:28 PM
Romano's confirmed it now too.
Classic tap-in merchant stuff.
Although he did quote Ornstein this time
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2023, 06:33:54 PM
Looks like a great signing, on a free as well.
Would like to see Guendozi too.
I reckon we have enough players of that ilk now. The next priority is to upgrade Bailey imo.
I think this signing means no Guendouzi.
Post by: Bad English on June 10, 2023, 06:34:12 PM
Post by: Malandro on June 10, 2023, 06:34:53 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2023, 06:35:29 PM
Post by: UK Redsox on June 10, 2023, 06:36:19 PM
Does he get to stretch today, or will that have to wait until pre-season on the basis that they’ll want the new kit in the photo ?
Post by: KevinGage on June 10, 2023, 06:40:32 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 06:42:04 PM
That escalated quickly.
Emery is like a Ninja. All stealth. One minute you feel safe. The next there is one of those star things in your head.
Post by: LukeJames on June 10, 2023, 06:42:37 PM
Post by: Exeter 77 on June 10, 2023, 06:45:00 PM
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/june/10/villa-announce-tielemans-agreement/
Post by: Astnor on June 10, 2023, 06:45:15 PM
Post by: Gerrin on June 10, 2023, 06:47:52 PM
Goals video 2019-2022
Skills and goals
Looks like a good finisher, and takes better pens than Ollie.
Post by: Baldy on June 10, 2023, 06:48:13 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2023, 06:48:32 PM
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Post by: Villan82 on June 10, 2023, 06:52:13 PM
These four players give us some serious options in terms of going the double-pivot route or playing a central three:
MGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey, Tielemans
Upgrade Bailey and we are looking a serious outfit indeed.
Post by: dave shelley on June 10, 2023, 06:53:22 PM
Post by: Ian. on June 10, 2023, 06:54:51 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 06:57:38 PM
Excellent news if he can get back to form. Under Emery I’m sure he will be ace.
Emery turned a team, even a squad staring at relegation from misfits and wasters into one that produced top 4 form by the end. That’s what gives me hope about anyone we sign. SJM went from a slow fat fuck to super lean and every bit a top PL midfielder in a matter of months. Pre 2022/23 version of Tielemans would be brilliant.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on June 10, 2023, 07:00:15 PM
Post by: Smirker on June 10, 2023, 07:04:31 PM
I think we have a top four midfield now.
These four players give us some serious options in terms of going the double-pivot route or playing a central three:
MGinn, Kamara, Luiz, Ramsey, Tielemans
Upgrade Bailey and we are looking a serious outfit indeed.
We've basically spent fuck all as well.
Post by: Rigadon on June 10, 2023, 07:05:22 PM
Post by: OCD on June 10, 2023, 07:07:52 PM
Sounds like a cracking signing, so long as it doesn’t mean one of our current midfield starters will be leaving (of which there is no evidence!).
I suspect Dendoncker will go. He didn't get many minutes before we had chance to add quality players.
Post by: TonyD on June 10, 2023, 07:09:28 PM
Post by: Ian. on June 10, 2023, 07:10:32 PM
Excellent news if he can get back to form. Under Emery I’m sure he will be ace.
Emery turned a team, even a squad staring at relegation from misfits and wasters into one that produced top 4 form by the end. That’s what gives me hope about anyone we sign. SJM went from a slow fat fuck to super lean and every bit a top PL midfielder in a matter of months. Pre 2022/23 version of Tielemans would be brilliant.
Yep, I have total faith in Emery to ignite his career again.
Post by: Ian. on June 10, 2023, 07:11:20 PM
Our midfield looks pretty bloody handy now.
It’s seems to have taken an age, but you’re right, we have one hell of a midfield. Exciting times.
Post by: Smirker on June 10, 2023, 07:14:55 PM
Sounds like a cracking signing, so long as it doesn’t mean one of our current midfield starters will be leaving (of which there is no evidence!).
Usually when we get some bad news isn't it.
Squad starts looking meaty then BOOM.
Hopefully not this time.
Post by: Monty on June 10, 2023, 07:16:10 PM
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Post by: N'ZMAV on June 10, 2023, 07:18:48 PM
Post by: LeonW on June 10, 2023, 07:20:36 PM
can imagine Dendonck, Nakamba and Sanson will all go
I’d keep Dendoncker. Think he’s actually quite a useful option for certain games.
Post by: FatSam on June 10, 2023, 07:21:17 PM
Welcome Youri. Seems to be good with the ball, I can see some nice playing the ball to each other with him Luiz and Kamara as a midfield trio.Some nice playing the ball to each other, that’s what we’re after! 😉
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2023, 07:27:49 PM
can imagine Dendonck, Nakamba and Sanson will all go
I’d keep Dendoncker. Think he’s actually quite a useful option for certain games.
Agree. Sell Sanson and Marv for around £15m. Add in the £20m for Chuk and we have the following midfield squad for £0 transfer balance (ignore the wages): Luiz, Kamara, SJM, Dendonker, Tilemans, Ramsey.
Well played!
Post by: Goldenballs on June 10, 2023, 07:32:02 PM
Post by: Nunkin1965 on June 10, 2023, 07:36:27 PM
There aren't any guarantees with new additions but I'm sure Emery will work his magic and it looks like our midfield has now got an exciting option for the manager.
Post by: saint13 on June 10, 2023, 07:40:01 PM
I thought we would get Barnes but not him. I would have been happy with either but delighted with him.
He will be great for us.
Post by: maidstonevillain on June 10, 2023, 07:40:13 PM
Made more tackles than any of our midfielders this season.
Ranks 10th for most tackles in the league.
Not according to this.
https://www.premierleague.com/stats/top/players/total_tackle
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 10, 2023, 07:43:52 PM
Could potentially be an excellent player for us. You’d imagine as a free transfer his wages might be quite high. Hopefully a master stroke by the club.
Yeah but he's a 35m player, for nothing. It doesn't matter how high his wages are - beyond disturbing everyone else - we could well sell him for way more than that in two years. See also Kamara.
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2023, 07:44:55 PM
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Post by: LeonW on June 10, 2023, 07:53:09 PM
Could potentially be an excellent player for us. You’d imagine as a free transfer his wages might be quite high. Hopefully a master stroke by the club.
Yeah but he's a 35m player, for nothing. It doesn't matter how high his wages are - beyond disturbing everyone else - we could well sell him for way more than that in two years. See also Kamara.
Yes, as long as it doesn’t lead to a wage hike I’m the squad. Wages do matter with regards impacting financial space to manoeuvre.
Post by: olaftab on June 10, 2023, 07:53:12 PM
Post by: Five Villa Tattoos on June 10, 2023, 07:59:31 PM
Post by: ldavfc4eva on June 10, 2023, 08:07:24 PM
Easily worth £30-40m if he had 2 years of his contract remaining, a smart quality signing.
Welcome UTV
Post by: pablo_picasso on June 10, 2023, 08:09:59 PM
We have needed strength in depth for the squad & this is a great start.
I would say, sell Nakamba & Sanson & we are all set for the midfield.
Fantastic start to the transfer window.
Post by: SamTheMouse on June 10, 2023, 08:10:39 PM
Post by: Mellin on June 10, 2023, 08:11:12 PM
Post by: Mellin on June 10, 2023, 08:13:45 PM
Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Luiz total spend around £20m.Or what we got for Chukwuemeka?
Love this. Thanks Chuck.
Post by: dave shelley on June 10, 2023, 08:14:24 PM
We're so well run these days. This is a very canny signing.
We're becoming a totaly different Aston Villa aren't we?
Post by: PaulWinch again on June 10, 2023, 08:16:22 PM
Post by: Risso on June 10, 2023, 08:17:38 PM
Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Luiz total spend around £20m.Or what we got for Chukwuemeka?
Love this. Thanks Chuck.
Couple of million change as well from the twenty!
Post by: boutrosboutrosgnarly on June 10, 2023, 08:35:32 PM
Post by: Mellin on June 10, 2023, 08:51:56 PM
Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Luiz total spend around £20m.Or what we got for Chukwuemeka?
Love this. Thanks Chuck.
Couple of million change as well from the twenty!
Had the decency to cover agent's fees as well. Good lad Chuck.
Post by: Villafirst on June 10, 2023, 09:07:52 PM
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Post by: Rory on June 10, 2023, 09:56:51 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on June 10, 2023, 10:19:13 PM
Great piece of business on a free. Now go and get Harvey Barnes!
Please don't.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 10, 2023, 10:27:41 PM
*One for the youngsters there
Post by: darren woolley on June 10, 2023, 10:31:07 PM
Post by: Dave on June 10, 2023, 10:42:10 PM
Great piece of business on a free. Now go and get Harvey Barnes!
Please don't.
I read the Leicester forum thread about Tielemans joining us and they seemed pretty sure that we were Barnes' most likely destination.
Post by: Rodders on June 10, 2023, 10:50:47 PM
I'd rather gave Cliff Barnes*
*One for the youngsters there
I wouldn't mind on Principal.*
*Insert your own fnarrs
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 10, 2023, 10:53:34 PM
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Post by: adrenachrome on June 11, 2023, 12:15:12 AM
@MatKendrick
What a day for football.
Tielemans on a free.
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Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 12:35:09 AM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 11, 2023, 12:41:56 AM
Blimey, that Foxes Talk place is full of delusional twats.
I love how it's a 'sideways step'. Lads... we're in a different league. Literally.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 12:43:04 AM
Blimey, that Foxes Talk place is full of delusional twats.
I love how it's a 'sideways step'. Lads... we're in a different league. Literally.
"They'll be where we are in two years"
Yeah, that's right, you whiney accented fucking yokels.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 12:43:38 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 11, 2023, 12:45:02 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on June 11, 2023, 12:48:00 AM
Blimey, that Foxes Talk place is full of delusional twats.
As is the whole city.
Welcome though, Youri. I hope you're good.
Post by: Matt C on June 11, 2023, 01:05:51 AM
Blimey, that Foxes Talk place is full of delusional twats.
“Anyone from the outside reading this comments would think we’re bitter”
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 11, 2023, 01:20:53 AM
Blimey, that Foxes Talk place is full of delusional twats.
“Anyone from the outside reading this comments would think we’re bitter”
That made me laugh. There were 3 good eggs in there though so only 95% delusional tits.
Post by: tomd2103 on June 11, 2023, 01:27:00 AM
Blimey, that Foxes Talk place is full of delusional twats.
I love how it's a 'sideways step'. Lads... we're in a different league. Literally.
"They'll be where we are in two years"
Yeah, that's right, you whiney accented fucking yokels.
I think they mean with a Premier League and FA cup win added to our honours!
Very sound piece of business for me and adds nicely to our midfield options.
Post by: eamonn on June 11, 2023, 01:33:29 AM
Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Luiz total spend around £20m.Or what we got for Chukwuemeka?
Love this. Thanks Chuck.
Couple of million change as well from the twenty!
We've probably lashed out £5m - £10m each on signing-on fees for Kamara and Tielemans and their agents though.
Post by: Rory on June 11, 2023, 03:42:14 AM
If they wanted to keep him, they could've started with not being so shit they went down. If they wanted a fee for him, they could've managed their contracts better.
He's no longer their player and where he moves next is entirely his business. That's how I would've felt if we'd had any half-decent players out of contract when we went down.
Fortunately we didn't, and they mostly went in a jumble sale. Unfortunately we spent 18 months replacing them with even worse.
But whatever. Calm down, Leicester fans. You have bigger problems.
Post by: Allan C on June 11, 2023, 06:49:16 AM
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Post by: Sexual Ealing on June 11, 2023, 09:08:30 AM
Quote
This hurts me and when I see our other players whom I've cheered on over the years that will hurt too.
I guess I'm still coming to terms with relegation.
Fair enough, pal, but you support Leicester. Relegation can't be too much of a novelty.
Post by: Dave P on June 11, 2023, 09:13:32 AM
Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Luiz total spend around £20m.Or what we got for Chukwuemeka?
Love this. Thanks Chuck.
Couple of million change as well from the twenty!
We've probably lashed out £5m - £10m each on signing-on fees for Kamara and Tielemans and their agents though.
On two assets now worth approx £100m in total.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 10:14:28 AM
Kamara, McGinn, Tielemans, Ramsey, Luiz total spend around £20m.Or what we got for Chukwuemeka?
Love this. Thanks Chuck.
Couple of million change as well from the twenty!
We've probably lashed out £5m - £10m each on signing-on fees for Kamara and Tielemans and their agents though.
On two assets now worth approx £100m in total.
Indeed, and it all gives us lots of extra FFP leeway.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2023, 10:23:52 AM
Post by: The Edge on June 11, 2023, 11:02:16 AM
Post by: gpbarr on June 11, 2023, 12:51:33 PM
Our midfield is really looking tasty - great job all round by the recruiting team.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2023, 01:16:27 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on June 11, 2023, 01:28:42 PM
Post by: Dave P on June 11, 2023, 01:29:05 PM
Aren’t wages also part of FFP?
Yes but it’s amortised. A £40m signing on £80k a week on a 5 year contract equates to £12.16m a year for FFP. A free signing on £100k a week on a 5 year contract is £5.2m a year for FFP
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 11, 2023, 01:33:55 PM
Aren’t wages also part of FFP?
Yes but it’s amortised. A £40m signing on £80k a week on a 5 year contract equates to £12.16m a year for FFP. A free signing on £100k a week on a 5 year contract is £5.2m a year for FFP
Plus if we sold him for £20m after 2 years we'd take a £4m hit to FFP (if we signed him for £40m over 5 years) whereas now we'd get a £20m 'credit'.
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2023, 01:40:48 PM
Selling Schmeichel and not replacing him properly, then relying heavily on an ageing Vardy and a centre back who's always injured (Evans).
They needed to invest last summer but they didn't. They needed to sack Rodgers earlier but they didn't (the talk was they couldn't afford to pay up his contract).
Just an utter shit show and relegation is the price.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 11, 2023, 01:54:25 PM
The simultaneous contract expiry thing is a big one. Apart from anything else, in a relegation struggle you won’t get the best out of a bunch of people who know 100% they can leave and get big wedge elsewhere.
The other one is waiting far too long to pot Rodgers
Dean Smith needs to get himself a better agent, too, Leicester were an unstoppable juggernaut of apathy heading toward the cliff edge.
Post by: N'ZMAV on June 11, 2023, 01:55:16 PM
2 relegations in a row for Smith
Dean Smith needs to get himself a better agent, too, Leicester were an unstoppable juggernaut of apathy heading toward the cliff edge.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 11, 2023, 02:14:52 PM
2 relegations in a row for Smith
Dean Smith needs to get himself a better agent, too, Leicester were an unstoppable juggernaut of apathy heading toward the cliff edge.
Smith shouldn’t have taken the Norwich job. There was no way he was keeping them up, they’d had two promotions under Farke, not spent in either of them despite selling off and losing some if their better players. He was on a hiding to nothing.
When I last looked at their accounts, they seem to lose £60-70m holding onto their squad in the Championship and then used the PL money to cover it when they got promoted. Hence why they can’t spend in the Prem and two capable managers have been unable to keep them up.
The Leicester job was understandable. It was far enough along in their death throes that the blame was never going to be attached to him and to be fair, he got 9 points from 8 games with them I think? While not spectacular, over a season that wouldn’t have relegated them.
I think if he gets the job full time, and I believe he is on their list, that might be a great opportunity for him to get settled again and build a good team.
Post by: algy on June 11, 2023, 02:23:02 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on June 11, 2023, 02:25:30 PM
Blimey, that Foxes Talk place is full of delusional twats.
now you know with me living in Hinckley , why I wanted the twats down . I have put up with their delusion about them and Villa for years .
fuck em
Post by: OCD on June 11, 2023, 02:46:31 PM
I think if he gets the job full time, and I believe he is on their list, that might be a great opportunity for him to get settled again and build a good team.
Once they've been gutted they'll be starting from scratch. Who knows what they'll have to spend.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 11, 2023, 04:48:15 PM
Aren’t wages also part of FFP?
Yes but it’s amortised. A £40m signing on £80k a week on a 5 year contract equates to £12.16m a year for FFP. A free signing on £100k a week on a 5 year contract is £5.2m a year for FFP
Thanks Dave. Excellent illustration of the benefits from a FFP perspective .
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2023, 04:57:33 PM
I think if he gets the job full time, and I believe he is on their list, that might be a great opportunity for him to get settled again and build a good team.
Once they've been gutted they'll be starting from scratch. Who knows what they'll have to spend.
They'll still be a big pull player-wise down in the Championship based on fairly recent history. Unless they're totally boracic lint.
Whatever happened to Steve Walsh? The scout, rather than the lumbering CB. He was king of the bargain buys for a time there.
Post by: Dave on June 11, 2023, 05:03:31 PM
Whatever happened to Steve Walsh? The scout, rather than the lumbering CB. He was king of the bargain buys for a time there.
He left them to spend countless millions on mediocre players for Everton, until they sacked him.
Now signing players like Ashley Westwood for Charlotte FC in MLS.
Post by: KevinGage on June 11, 2023, 05:21:08 PM
Post by: villadelph on June 11, 2023, 05:35:56 PM
Whatever happened to Steve Walsh? The scout, rather than the lumbering CB. He was king of the bargain buys for a time there.
He left them to spend countless millions on mediocre players for Everton, until they sacked him.
Now signing players like Ashley Westwood for Charlotte FC in MLS.
Westwood had a decent goal last night against Seattle.
Post by: rooboy316 on June 11, 2023, 11:36:09 PM
Aren’t wages also part of FFP?
Yes but it’s amortised. A £40m signing on £80k a week on a 5 year contract equates to £12.16m a year for FFP. A free signing on £100k a week on a 5 year contract is £5.2m a year for FFP
Is 20% generally the wage premium clubs pay when signing someone on a free? I imagined it would be more, plus a hefty sign on fee.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on June 11, 2023, 11:55:02 PM
Aren’t wages also part of FFP?
Yes but it’s amortised. A £40m signing on £80k a week on a 5 year contract equates to £12.16m a year for FFP. A free signing on £100k a week on a 5 year contract is £5.2m a year for FFP
Is 20% generally the wage premium clubs pay when signing someone on a free? I imagined it would be more, plus a hefty sign on fee.
I don't think Dave P thinks that is what he will be on, it's just an example to show the rough FFP calculations. The premium would be higher.
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Post by: Risso on June 12, 2023, 10:59:53 AM
Tielemans is a very talented player. Proven at club and international level. More of a follower than a leader but give him the right role in a structured team and he can thrive again. I'm just a bit worried that he has barely performed in 18 months and provided no leadership for Leicester in recent times. I did think Emery would want a different type of CM to compliment the group we already have, Tielemans is very similar to Luiz.
He performed under Rodgers like most of our players performed under Gerrard. We just made the change in plenty of time, and they didn't. And with all due respect to Dean Smith, he's not really the sort who's going to light a fire under players in a short space of time when they've been badly managed for so long.
Post by: Smithy on June 12, 2023, 11:20:06 AM
Tielemans is a very talented player. Proven at club and international level. More of a follower than a leader but give him the right role in a structured team and he can thrive again. I'm just a bit worried that he has barely performed in 18 months and provided no leadership for Leicester in recent times. I did think Emery would want a different type of CM to compliment the group we already have, Tielemans is very similar to Luiz.
He performed under Rodgers like most of our players performed under Gerrard. We just made the change in plenty of time, and they didn't. And with all due respect to Dean Smith, he's not really the sort who's going to light a fire under players in a short space of time when they've been badly managed for so long.
Agreed, I don't think you can hold the last 18 months of his Leicester career against him any more than you can hold the last 12 month of McGinn under Gerrard against SJM.
At his best, Tielemens is an excellent premier league midfielder, capable of playing at the very top level, both domestically and internationally. And if there is anyone out there I trust to get him back to that level on a consistent basis, it's Unai.
If this is a sign of the sort of quality we'll be bringing in this summer, then I think it's brilliant news.
Post by: Dogtanian on June 12, 2023, 11:28:37 AM
Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 11:38:47 AM
I guess in my mind he's good enough to replace any of them and for us not to see a drop in quality, but I'm not sure who he'd start in front of. That also says a lot about how good our midfield has been.
Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 11:45:25 AM
He's a very good player. I would have preferred Guendouzi who I felt was a bit more versatile, but even so it's fantastic to get someone of this quality on a free transfer.
I still think we might get one more in midfield. We play with 4 central midfielders that 'flex' from a flat 4 to a box and with Tielemans coming in we have 6 players for those positions, with Bailey and Buendia sometimes filling in for the wider roles in specific circumstances.
Given there's some talk of Dendoncker going out I wouldn't be shocked if we looked at someone to replace him to keep that 4 from 6 as a minimum (with maybe AJ and Tim bulking out the depth of the squad).
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2023, 12:09:15 PM
We could end up with having 2 really top, top players per position with the incoming player often being seen as an upgrade by people with no affiliation. If that comes to pass, we're going to be a really good side next season with the ability to rotate and pick teams based on the tactical adjustments Emery specifically wants to use for that opposition.
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2023, 12:17:52 PM
Given we're wanting to strengthen the first team, we should ask if he is a starter? Who would he replace in the midfield from the end of the season?
I guess in my mind he's good enough to replace any of them and for us not to see a drop in quality, but I'm not sure who he'd start in front of. That also says a lot about how good our midfield has been.
So much depends on formations etc though, and all we've really seen so far is Emery making do with what he has (which is frightening in itself).
I could easily see something like:
Emi
Cash Konsa Mings Moreno
Kamara Luiz
McGinn Tielemans Ramsey
Watkins
Post by: paul_e on June 12, 2023, 12:22:20 PM
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2023, 12:23:54 PM
Tweak that slightly to a 4141 and I'd be happy with that team. Not much natural width (especiailly on the right) though. I seem to recall a link to Dumfries though, which would make sense in that team.
Yep, it's obviously highly dependent on who else we bring in especially up front, but when we're 4-0 up against Man City in the FA Cup final, it would do to see out injury time!
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 12, 2023, 12:28:58 PM
Post by: Risso on June 12, 2023, 12:43:26 PM
Last season Brighton rotated players like Mitoma and Mac Allister. Both were top players for them. By the end of the season we had a pretty stable 11 or 12 we used pretty consistently and the rest weren’t trusted a lot. So going forward we need to be able tactical utilize more of our squad and not be afraid when the likes of McGinn, Luiz, Mings etc find themselves on the bench. The drop off in quality and consistency from our regular starters to our subs was too great.
Quite right, I think we need to get away from the old in-built idea of "first XI and then some subs". We could if things go well, have circa 60 games to play this season. That's not doable with Luiz and Kamara playing very single game.
Post by: brontebilly on June 12, 2023, 01:25:43 PM
Tielemans is a very talented player. Proven at club and international level. More of a follower than a leader but give him the right role in a structured team and he can thrive again. I'm just a bit worried that he has barely performed in 18 months and provided no leadership for Leicester in recent times. I did think Emery would want a different type of CM to compliment the group we already have, Tielemans is very similar to Luiz.
He performed under Rodgers like most of our players performed under Gerrard. We just made the change in plenty of time, and they didn't. And with all due respect to Dean Smith, he's not really the sort who's going to light a fire under players in a short space of time when they've been badly managed for so long.
He did very well under Rodgers for a long time though. So it's not really the same as the Gerrard situation. Leicester were obviously in a mess off the pitch with all the player contracts running down,
Mark Bunn standard goalkeepers left, Rodgers in a huff from pre season etc but likes of Tielemans should have been able to step it up regardless with his ability and experience. Anyway it's in the past. Just hope he shows up in pre season fully fit and ready to get cracking for a spot in the team.
I'm just a bit surprised Emery went for him and that we could get him too.
Post by: Drummond on June 12, 2023, 01:29:33 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on June 12, 2023, 01:48:06 PM
Tielemans is a very talented player. Proven at club and international level. More of a follower than a leader but give him the right role in a structured team and he can thrive again. I'm just a bit worried that he has barely performed in 18 months and provided no leadership for Leicester in recent times. I did think Emery would want a different type of CM to compliment the group we already have, Tielemans is very similar to Luiz.
He performed under Rodgers like most of our players performed under Gerrard. We just made the change in plenty of time, and they didn't. And with all due respect to Dean Smith, he's not really the sort who's going to light a fire under players in a short space of time when they've been badly managed for so long.
He did very well under Rodgers for a long time though. So it's not really the same as the Gerrard situation. Leicester were obviously in a mess off the pitch with all the player contracts running down,
Mark Bunn standard goalkeepers left, Rodgers in a huff from pre season etc but likes of Tielemans should have been able to step it up regardless with his ability and experience. Anyway it's in the past. Just hope he shows up in pre season fully fit and ready to get cracking for a spot in the team.
I'm just a bit surprised Emery went for him and that we could get him too.
All very good points and agree entirely apart from being surprised that we got him considering those points that you made prior and also considering he’s come from a relegated team and we’re in Europe. It is probably a good business decision considering the price but I too didn’t see it as a likely Emery signing.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 12, 2023, 05:08:29 PM
As much as I admire Leicester's achievements that have been nothing short of incredible - they have been shit for most of my life as a Villa fan. So the delusion here is a delight to behold.
Post by: footywithuti on June 12, 2023, 05:34:07 PM
https://youtu.be/XWjo-0oRrkg
Post by: Rory on June 12, 2023, 05:40:25 PM
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/youri-tielemans-leicester-city-hit-8515778
As much as I admire Leicester's achievements that have been nothing short of incredible - they have been shit for most of my life as a Villa fan. So the delusion here is a delight to behold.
I don't see much wrong with that, actually. I'd expect their local media to back Leicester over other clubs (the fact ours spend most of their time trying to alienate and belittle us is neither here nor there) and I don't expect fans of other clubs to share our optimism for the future.
I took from it a sense of anger at their own club and disappointment that they went down with some decent players who didn't always appear committed.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 12, 2023, 05:45:02 PM
I'm not sure he can play as an out-and-out 6 though, he needs a proper DM alongside him to do the dirty work.
Post by: OCD on June 12, 2023, 06:26:36 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on June 12, 2023, 07:54:58 PM
That made me lol, was unexpected.
Post by: VILLA MOLE on June 12, 2023, 10:10:59 PM
Post by: Hillbilly on June 13, 2023, 10:36:22 AM
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 10:37:10 AM
..... "absolute dog shit"
That made me lol, was unexpected.
"one or two thundercunts!"
Post by: Axl Rose on June 13, 2023, 10:43:24 AM
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/youri-tielemans-leicester-city-hit-8515778
As much as I admire Leicester's achievements that have been nothing short of incredible - they have been shit for most of my life as a Villa fan. So the delusion here is a delight to behold.
I admire nothing they've done.
Cheating, dishonest, immoral ******.
I hate them with a burning passion and hope they stay down where they belong for as long as possible.
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 11:03:55 AM
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/sport/sport-opinion/youri-tielemans-leicester-city-hit-8515778
As much as I admire Leicester's achievements that have been nothing short of incredible - they have been shit for most of my life as a Villa fan. So the delusion here is a delight to behold.
I admire nothing they've done.
Cheating, dishonest, immoral ******.
I hate them with a burning passion and hope they stay down where they belong for as long as possible.
I can only admire your unrelenting hatred of them, and you're right, they got away with stiffing ordinary small businesses in administration with no penalties, they should have had the kind of treatment Luton got and have had to fight back from. Kind of fitting they've taken their place really.
Post by: Axl Rose on June 13, 2023, 11:14:40 AM
I loathed them winning the league. The fact that we went down and were so shit that year just fanned the flames.
******
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 11:20:39 AM
I know I'm way over the top when it comes to them, but it's been a whole lifetime of having to put up with them and their delusions of grandeur.
I loathed them winning the league. The fact that we went down and were so shit that hear just fanned the flames.
******
It was my daughter's birthday party at the weekend, and we had quite a few parents over. A fair few of the dads are Leicester fans, and the common opinion amongst all of them was "why has Tielemans gone to a team like Villa?"
Because a team like Villa are playing in front of a packed 42,000 stadium every week, are back in Europe with one of the best managers in world football, have a team full of quality internationals and are going to have a proper crack at the top 4 next season. We're also not going to be "looking forward" to trips to Rotherham and Plymouth on a Tuesday night. That's why, ******!
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 11:27:20 AM
Post by: Drummond on June 13, 2023, 11:32:35 AM
Post by: Axl Rose on June 13, 2023, 11:37:41 AM
My dad is truly the only Leicester fan I truly respect. Even a couple of mates who I've known for over thirty years are massive wankers when it comes to Filbert Fox and his rubbish family.
It says it all to me that my dad would much rather come to Villa Park with me, would rather watch Villa than Leicester, has admitted to me that it doesn't matter what Leicester do, they'll never be anywhere near the size of Villa. His tone of voice suggested resignation that they'll never get anywhere near.
I'm still rejoicing in their relegation
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 11:41:20 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 11:53:37 AM
Following it up with an FA cup was the icing on the cake.
As always follows a bit of success it went to their fan's heads. I don't think Twitter helps, it brings out the worst of all fan bases including our own. Ultimately I was happy enough to see them go down to put them back in their box. I only hope the same happens to Man City in the next decade when their owners get bored or the PL grows some teeth.
Post by: VinnieChase84 on June 13, 2023, 12:00:02 PM
They have been awfully bloody quiet last few weeks and its glorious.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on June 13, 2023, 12:01:43 PM
The clubs that play in them are at best mid size clubs, and all of pretty much the same level - Derby County, Hull City, Middlesborough, Southampton, Stoke, Cardiff and Leicester definitely belong in this group.
They had a remarkable spell of five years or so, but now we are seeing 'regression to the norm', where after an anomaly, over more time, they'll sink back to their natural place in the order of things, which is bobbing between Championship and Premier League.
I was going to say a bit like Albion, but Albion are a much bigger club than Leicester.
Post by: villabear on June 13, 2023, 12:03:53 PM
*does Mr Burns shudder
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2023, 12:09:41 PM
It's a sign of how shit we've been that since 1996 Leicester have been far far more successful than us, despite just suffering their 4th relegation in that time and spending 11 of those season outside the top flight, and about to start a 12th.
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:20:54 PM
Ha, we fuckin' showed 'em, right? Right??
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:37:04 PM
For me, I always think, there's a bunch of clubs who play in relatively new, purpose built stadia of 30k capacity thereabouts - soulless, out of town bowls with all the feeling and spirit of a shopping centre.
The clubs that play in them are at best mid size clubs, and all of pretty much the same level - Derby County, Hull City, Middlesborough, Southampton, Stoke, Cardiff and Leicester definitely belong in this group.
They had a remarkable spell of five years or so, but now we are seeing 'regression to the norm', where after an anomaly, over more time, they'll sink back to their natural place in the order of things, which is bobbing between Championship and Premier League.
I was going to say a bit like Albion, but Albion are a much bigger club than Leicester.
The King Power's not really out of town though, like Stoke and the others, it's just over the road from where Filbert Street used to be, probably a mile out of the city centre.
Post by: LeeB on June 13, 2023, 12:44:21 PM
For me, I always think, there's a bunch of clubs who play in relatively new, purpose built stadia of 30k capacity thereabouts - soulless, out of town bowls with all the feeling and spirit of a shopping centre.
The clubs that play in them are at best mid size clubs, and all of pretty much the same level - Derby County, Hull City, Middlesborough, Southampton, Stoke, Cardiff and Leicester definitely belong in this group.
They had a remarkable spell of five years or so, but now we are seeing 'regression to the norm', where after an anomaly, over more time, they'll sink back to their natural place in the order of things, which is bobbing between Championship and Premier League.
I was going to say a bit like Albion, but Albion are a much bigger club than Leicester.
The King Power's not really out of town though, like Stoke and the others, it's just over the road from where Filbert Street used to be, probably a mile out of the city centre.
It is the most soulless of all the bowls though, weirdly enough
Post by: Dave on June 13, 2023, 12:49:21 PM
Which doesn't seem in the least bit unreasonable, considering the sums that players command these days.
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:50:50 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on June 13, 2023, 12:51:42 PM
I actually thought the atmosphere was fairly decent there in our game this season, until our second went in courtesy of Bert and then they deserted the team in droves. Stoke's the worst one that I've been to.Yes they made a decent amount of noise. That drum though...
Post by: Risso on June 13, 2023, 12:53:29 PM
I actually thought the atmosphere was fairly decent there in our game this season, until our second went in courtesy of Bert and then they deserted the team in droves. Stoke's the worst one that I've been to.Yes they made a decent amount of noise. That drum though...
At least they seemed to get rid of the clackers, the tin pot dickheads.
Post by: Dr Butler on June 13, 2023, 12:54:12 PM
I actually thought the atmosphere was fairly decent there in our game this season, until our second went in courtesy of Bert and then they deserted the team in droves. Stoke's the worst one that I've been to.Yes they made a decent amount of noise. That drum though...
At least they seemed to get rid of the clackers, the tin pot dickheads.
but they have a drum.......:(
UTV
The Doc
Post by: PeterWithesShin on June 13, 2023, 01:09:50 PM
Post by: Smithy on June 13, 2023, 01:12:01 PM
Reading through that bitter Leicester thread, they've suggested that his contract with us is €5m per annum, which in weird footballer-only terms is about £90k per week.
Which doesn't seem in the least bit unreasonable, considering the sums that players command these days.
It wouldn't surprise me if that's his weekly wage, per his contract. But I suspect there will also be a significant signing bonus, paid weekly, that takes him comfortably into the six-figures a week range. The two will be treated separately to ensure we stick to our wage structure.
Post by: Paul.S on June 13, 2023, 01:18:50 PM
I reckon it’ll have the same affect on Leicester and their support. Losing your better players hurts when there’s absolutely nothing you can do about it.
Post by: littleoldme on June 13, 2023, 01:37:30 PM
You're spot on Risso, mate.
My dad is truly the only Leicester fan I truly respect. Even a couple of mates who I've known for over thirty years are massive wankers when it comes to Filbert Fox and his rubbish family.
It says it all to me that my dad would much rather come to Villa Park with me, would rather watch Villa than Leicester, has admitted to me that it doesn't matter what Leicester do, they'll never be anywhere near the size of Villa. His tone of voice suggested resignation that they'll never get anywhere near.
I'm still rejoicing in their relegation
You have a truly lovely sounding dad, i've lived in Leicester for 44 year's and can honestly say i take great pleasure in anything that goes against the fox's, utterly full of themselve's and where they stand in footballing terms, take care sir, both you and you're dad. 8)
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 13, 2023, 11:32:14 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on June 14, 2023, 03:15:49 PM
I know I'm way over the top when it comes to them, but it's been a whole lifetime of having to put up with them and their delusions of grandeur.
I loathed them winning the league. The fact that we went down and were so shit that hear just fanned the flames.
******
It was my daughter's birthday party at the weekend, and we had quite a few parents over. A fair few of the dads are Leicester fans, and the common opinion amongst all of them was "why has Tielemans gone to a team like Villa?"
Because a team like Villa are playing in front of a packed 42,000 stadium every week, are back in Europe with one of the best managers in world football, have a team full of quality internationals and are going to have a proper crack at the top 4 next season. We're also not going to be "looking forward" to trips to Rotherham and Plymouth on a Tuesday night. That's why, ******!
"Now stop that blarting and enjoy the clowns.... like you did every other weekend last season"
Post by: eamonn on June 14, 2023, 07:06:42 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on June 14, 2023, 07:17:31 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on June 14, 2023, 08:12:04 PM
There are some direct quotes on line with commenting on why he chose us
Is that the interview in French that was on Twitter earlier? I'm assuming he's away with Belgium atm.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on June 14, 2023, 08:14:15 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on June 14, 2023, 09:12:49 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on June 14, 2023, 09:14:03 PM
How long before he is back in the Dutch squad?
I doubt he's ever getting in
Post by: Somniloquism on June 14, 2023, 09:25:22 PM
Post by: Matt C on June 15, 2023, 12:27:46 AM
Has he officially signed yet? Haven't seen any shirt-stretching or affirmations on how he has become hopelessly devoted to us.
He’s still under contract with Leicester until the end of the month so imagine we’ll see the shirt stretch on expiry.
Post by: Luffbralion on June 17, 2023, 05:19:04 PM
Post by: olaftab on June 17, 2023, 05:48:37 PM
Post by: Ian. on June 17, 2023, 06:18:43 PM
So how many HAS Tielemans scored from distance in his Leicester career, just to separate facts from myth?
Probably as many as our Dougie.
Post by: pablo_picasso on June 17, 2023, 06:32:02 PM
So how many HAS Tielemans scored from distance in his Leicester career, just to separate facts from myth?
Probably as many as our Dougie.
Douglas Luiz was put on a leash as our 6 for a while though.
He has only really had the opportunity to play his natural game & get forward.
Jacob Ramsey was saying how much he enjoys the freedom given to him by Emery after that fraud Gerrard told him to hold back.
I imagine that feeling is felt by all of our midfield.
Post by: Ian. on June 17, 2023, 06:46:17 PM
Post by: Dogtanian on June 18, 2023, 06:37:06 PM
https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2023/6/18/23764705/youri-tielemans-new-dimension-aston-villa-midfield (https://7500toholte.sbnation.com/2023/6/18/23764705/youri-tielemans-new-dimension-aston-villa-midfield)
Post by: Clampy on July 01, 2023, 10:12:15 AM
Post by: Astnor on July 01, 2023, 10:50:19 AM
Post by: Flin5tone on July 01, 2023, 11:10:57 AM
Please somebody with contacts at Villa Park make it known we want this crest to replace all shields visible around villa park
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 01, 2023, 02:38:29 PM
He looks great in that shirt and the more I see it the more I like it and the fantastic new badge.
Please somebody with contacts at Villa Park make it known we want this crest to replace all shields visible around villa park
Agree 100% on the badge but thought the shirt looked a bit tatty in the unveiling photos (particularly the shoulder panels and sponsor's logo).
Post by: eamonn on July 01, 2023, 04:36:43 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 01, 2023, 06:00:39 PM
It's the first day of the second half of the year and a sunny (ish) Saturday, cheering to see that Flin5tone has awoken in a chirpy Villa mood (Chirpy Villa? Hope it's better than the rat-infested Villa Chippy...).
It's his alter ego, Grin5tone.
Post by: Goldenballs on July 03, 2023, 02:31:57 PM
https://twitter.com/Squawka/status/1675829489170010112?t=C_86cgmDHRinUcyBFM6c8w&s=19
Post by: footywithuti on July 05, 2023, 10:41:47 AM
https://youtu.be/XWjo-0oRrkg
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 12:49:06 PM
I do wonder what's going on in some ways because Villa have signed upgrades to both Mings and McGinn in their position and I feel the new signings seem to be technically proficient
I guess it's perceived as competition?
One way to look at things though is to consider this;
We wouldn't be surprised if Emery signed either Youri or Pau if he were at another club, but would he sign Mings or McGinn?
However, there is little doubt in my mind that Tielemans and Pau are superior players who suited more to the team. I assume he is delighted to have them as assets but wants to keep the continuity of Mings and McGinn and reward them. To be fair they both demonstrated how they progressed and understood Emery's teachings and should rightfully be part of the squad and given a fair amount of playing time but they may find it difficult over course of season to get as much regular playing time as last season.
The great thing is there's a quality squad developing and that's essential for the level we are now at and to also move into top 4 and win trophies.
Post by: Risso on July 15, 2023, 01:04:18 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on July 15, 2023, 01:07:21 PM
Similar to Mings where does Tielemans signing leave McGinn?
I do wonder what's going on in some ways because Villa have signed upgrades to both Mings and McGinn in their position and I feel the new signings seem to be technically proficient
I guess it's perceived as competition?
One way to look at things though is to consider this;
We wouldn't be surprised if Emery signed either Youri or Pau if he were at another club, but would he sign Mings or McGinn?
However, there is little doubt in my mind that Tielemans and Pau are superior players who suited more to the team. I assume he is delighted to have them as assets but wants to keep the continuity of Mings and McGinn and reward them. To be fair they both demonstrated how they progressed and understood Emery's teachings and should rightfully be part of the squad and given a fair amount of playing time but they may find it difficult over course of season to get as much regular playing time as last season.
The great thing is there's a quality squad developing and that's essential for the level we are now at and to also move into top 4 and win trophies.
I see Tielemans and McGinn as completely different types of midfielders. McGinn quite also quite often plays wide for uI don’t see Tilemans playing out there.
Post by: Monty on July 15, 2023, 01:08:41 PM
And I agree that I don't really see McGinn's role as replaced by Tielemans, given that McGinn has shifted to the right under Emery.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 15, 2023, 01:35:32 PM
I see Tielemans and McGinn as completely different types of midfielders. McGinn quite also quite often plays wide for uI don’t see Tilemans playing out there.
I agree. Tielemans doesn't have the pace to play out wide for starters...
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 15, 2023, 03:59:47 PM
I'm thrilled to have him at Villa under Emery's tutelage.
His shooting technique is superb, as shown by some of the amazing goals from distance he's scored.
Looking forward to seeing him in the midfield for Villa be it alongside McGinn or instead of.
Quality signing.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on July 17, 2023, 11:33:02 AM
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1680882163657461763?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
Post by: VillaTim on July 17, 2023, 12:06:46 PM
Youri is a fantastic midfielder with a lot of versatility.I don't see McGinn making way for him , especially with Ramsey out.
I'm thrilled to have him at Villa under Emery's tutelage.
His shooting technique is superb, as shown by some of the amazing goals from distance he's scored.
Looking forward to seeing him in the midfield for Villa be it alongside McGinn or instead of.
Quality signing.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 17, 2023, 12:26:35 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 17, 2023, 12:29:17 PM
Direct competition for luiz for me. Occasionally luiz and Youri might play together, probably at home when the Kamara safety net is less important.That's where I see him most too. But he can play as an 8 and I think he'll probably start in the Ramsey role this season. I also think Luiz is good enough to push up if needed too, but suspect it will be Youri.
Post by: London Villan on July 17, 2023, 12:38:00 PM
Tieleman, Kamara and Luiz, behind an attacking 3 would be very strong.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 17, 2023, 01:16:33 PM
Very exciting on top of a similar exercise in defence - now to get the attack the same
Its almost like we have a plan ;)
Post by: Astnor on July 17, 2023, 01:18:35 PM
it allows us to play a 433 as well.I would like it like this. McGinn then as part og the front three on the left or right as he was for Scotland and has been playing for us a bit. Going more defensive 442 McGinn on left flank and Luiz on right and Tielemans and Kamara in the middle. JJ alternate with McGinn when back. Very strong midfield. Then two places up top to fill between the ones we have and the new ones coming in. A new RB and then ready to go!
Tieleman, Kamara and Luiz, behind an attacking 3 would be very strong.
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 01:19:19 PM
Post by: Richard on July 17, 2023, 02:02:44 PM
Post by: London Villan on July 17, 2023, 02:09:06 PM
At previous clubs, has he chopped and changed line-ups and formations?
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 17, 2023, 02:22:16 PM
Double Stone Island. Poor start to his Villa career
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1680882163657461763?s=46&t=fPyiXcae7CCzHj_x8UdphA
Yeah, not keen on the t-shirt and pairing it with similar mint green shorts is a poor choice. Need the latter to be black, a darkish blue or even brown.
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 02:36:39 PM
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 02:43:11 PM
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Youri Tielemans
Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 02:52:37 PM
To the tune of the William Tell Overture.......
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Youri Tielemans
Hmm... have you got anything in Robin Hood?
Post by: Risso on July 17, 2023, 03:07:03 PM
To the tune of the William Tell Overture.......
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Youri Tielemans
Can tell you're an intellectual, that's the Lone Ranger tune to me.
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 03:17:26 PM
To the tune of the William Tell Overture.......
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Youri Tielemans
Hmm... have you got anything in Robin Hood?
Tielemans, Tielemans,
Gives his heart and soul,
Tielemans, Tielemans,
Scores another goal,
He steals back the ball, again and again,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Tielemans...
Post by: Dogtanian on July 17, 2023, 03:25:51 PM
Tielemans, Tielemans,
Gives his heart and soul,
Tielemans, Tielemans,
Scores another goal,
He steals back the ball, again and again,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Tielemans...
;D
Post by: Drummond on July 17, 2023, 03:33:49 PM
Saturday is Tielemans' Day,
Saturday, Saturday,
Saturday is Tielemans',
Never a man to miss cos,
Saturday is Tielemans' Day!
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 17, 2023, 03:36:41 PM
Ooh, ooh, ooh, YOURI!
The one that I want (you are the one I want)
Ooh, ooh, ooh, YOURI!
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 17, 2023, 03:45:02 PM
(https://i.ibb.co/dBd5NgK/IMG-7880.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dBd5NgK)
I think he’s going to be great for us. And to compete in our midfield with SJM, JJ, Doug and the kids coming through he’ll need to be on his game.
Post by: Drummond on July 18, 2023, 09:22:19 AM
To the tune of the William Tell Overture.......
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Tielemans, Youri Tielemans,
Tielemans, Youri Tielemans
Can tell you're an intellectual, that's the Lone Ranger tune to me.
That's definitely the first time I've been called that.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 11:21:19 AM
Despite the squad aspect, I believe the signings coming in this window are all first-choice players. Tielemans, Pau, and Diaby are all starters in my opinion and I feel assured they will be able to play Emerys football.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on July 21, 2023, 11:31:42 AM
Emery’s challenge is to keep them all happy and pulling in the same direction as a bomb squad will quickly erode any benefits if players feel outside the core squad and alienated from the team (see manu, Chelsea and spurs as recent examples).
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 11:46:35 AM
Post by: Risso on July 21, 2023, 12:04:09 PM
Emery's very much about creating a family environment and being inclusive to everyone. There's a few players who I think we would be moved on, if a suitable offer came in, but until then they're included just as everyone else is.
Well, apart from the ones who haven't been invited on the US tour.
Post by: brontebilly on July 21, 2023, 12:04:55 PM
Whatever extra baggage YT was carrying at Leicester ain’t there no more.
(https://i.ibb.co/dBd5NgK/IMG-7880.jpg) (https://ibb.co/dBd5NgK)
I think he’s going to be great for us. And to compete in our midfield with SJM, JJ, Doug and the kids coming through he’ll need to be on his game.
Good to see...remember when Ross McCormack first showed up with us. You just knew there was going to be problems
Post by: OCD on July 21, 2023, 12:17:56 PM
Emery's very much about creating a family environment and being inclusive to everyone. There's a few players who I think we would be moved on, if a suitable offer came in, but until then they're included just as everyone else is.
Well, apart from the ones who haven't been invited on the US tour.
Presumably they're already quite along the path to moves, as Nakamba was. I'm talking about the likes of Sanson and to a lesser degree, Dendonker.
Post by: Footy-Vill on July 21, 2023, 01:51:55 PM
Whilst we can debate whether they’re starters/who should be dropped it’s a a huge leap in the quality of the squad.
Emery’s challenge is to keep them all happy and pulling in the same direction as a bomb squad will quickly erode any benefits if players feel outside the core squad and alienated from the team (see manu, Chelsea and spurs as recent examples).
I think its also a challenge to the existing players to improve and a challenge to every one of the squad to understand and be professional in their role either as first choice or rotated or bench.
Post by: VillaTim on July 21, 2023, 02:11:16 PM
Post by: Jimsta on July 26, 2023, 08:54:33 PM
https://youtu.be/Ghmk_K7vMw8
Post by: CT Villan on July 26, 2023, 09:32:08 PM
Seriously though, it's an interesting perspective that we don't usually see.
Post by: eamonn on July 26, 2023, 09:46:48 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on July 26, 2023, 10:43:42 PM
It's like a really crap first-person shooter :)
Seriously though, it's an interesting perspective that we don't usually see.
I thought it really showed, better than you usually see, how little time players have on the ball and how fast it moves around.
Post by: Monty on July 26, 2023, 10:49:45 PM
It's like a really crap first-person shooter :)
Seriously though, it's an interesting perspective that we don't usually see.
I thought it really showed, better than you usually see, how little time players have on the ball and how fast it moves around.
Agreed. It was really interesting and, I thought, incredibly stressful.
Post by: Louzie0 on July 26, 2023, 11:01:49 PM
He got involved straight away, as well.
I liked the appeal to the ref!
Post by: Ger Regan on July 26, 2023, 11:24:11 PM
Post by: rooboy316 on July 27, 2023, 04:21:55 AM
Post by: dave shelley on July 27, 2023, 08:17:56 AM
I got car sick from watching it and now need a lie down.
It's epilepsy inducing, should come with a warning like flash photography.
Post by: Ian. on July 27, 2023, 08:43:51 AM
I got car sick from watching it and now need a lie down.
It's epilepsy inducing, should come with a warning like flash photography.
I had to switch it off, it made me giddy. Also his arms didn’t look like they were his, they looked to floppy.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 27, 2023, 08:54:53 AM
Post by: Bad English on July 27, 2023, 09:11:57 AM
Post by: Smithy on July 27, 2023, 10:37:23 AM
Youri Tielemans bodycam vs Newcastle United, This is brilliant, i hope we get to see more stuff like this.
https://youtu.be/Ghmk_K7vMw8
yeah, that's a really interesting watch - I was surprised how much they can hear of each other on the pitch. Having never played in front of more than about fifty people, I'd always imagined on-pitch communication between players would be difficult and that players would have to scream to be heard. Clearly not so.
Post by: Dogtanian on July 27, 2023, 10:42:37 AM
Post by: Dave on July 27, 2023, 10:54:35 AM
And all indications so far suggest that he might well be.
Post by: ADVILLAFAN on July 27, 2023, 10:56:26 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 11:04:33 AM
If we get the lean, motivated Tielemans from when Leicester were challenging for the Champions League, he'll be a hell of an asset.
And all indications so far suggest that he might well be.
That would be very nice for us. It would also p!ss off the "expert" naysayers that reckon he has too many 'minutes in his legs' and is in decline.
Post by: Toronto Villa on July 27, 2023, 11:13:03 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 11:14:08 AM
You need to stop taking these videos to heart. Tifo don't hate Villa, they just make fairly balanced football content. Most of it is pretty good. But even the mildest scepticism or criticism of Villa seems to have our fans acting like the pundit has just shagged their mom.If we get the lean, motivated Tielemans from when Leicester were challenging for the Champions League, he'll be a hell of an asset.
And all indications so far suggest that he might well be.
That would be very nice for us. It would also p!ss off the "expert" naysayers that reckon he has too many 'minutes in his legs' and is in decline.
Of course when they don't make content about Villa then we're being ignored and they only care about the media darlings...
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2023, 11:16:24 AM
Tielemans is a very tidy footballer. Does all of the simple things well. But then has the ability to play a pass like the one to Digne that led to the goal or some of his others across the game that will make a huge asset. He’s not going to be JJ in his attacking runs, he’s not McGinn in his overall energy and tenacity. He’s a slightly lesser version of Doug in my opinion and that’s pretty damn good given how good he’s become.
If we can get him back to the levels he was at at his best for Leicester, I think he can be better than all of them. Going past players is his strength, and other than Buendia occasionally we don't really have that at the moment.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on July 27, 2023, 11:22:07 AM
That would be very nice for us. It would also p!ss off the "expert" naysayers that reckon he has too many 'minutes in his legs' and is in decline.
You need to stop taking these videos to heart. Tifo don't hate Villa, they just make fairly balanced football content. Most of it is pretty good. But even the mildest scepticism or criticism of Villa seems to have our fans acting like the pundit has just shagged their mom.
Of course when they don't make content about Villa then we're being ignored and they only care about the media darlings...
Not sure what videos you're on about. ::) I was referring to some comments I'd read on Twitter and other clubs' forums when we signed him.
Post by: Monty on July 27, 2023, 11:22:55 AM
Fuck 'em, the floppy haired little oat milk cartons.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 11:24:19 AM
That would be very nice for us. It would also p!ss off the "expert" naysayers that reckon he has too many 'minutes in his legs' and is in decline.
You need to stop taking these videos to heart. Tifo don't hate Villa, they just make fairly balanced football content. Most of it is pretty good. But even the mildest scepticism or criticism of Villa seems to have our fans acting like the pundit has just shagged their mom.
Of course when they don't make content about Villa then we're being ignored and they only care about the media darlings...
Not sure what videos you're on about. ::) I was referring to some comments I'd read on Twitter and other clubs' forums when we signed him.
Teilemans comment is about 3 mins 50. But he also talks in length about Torres & Mings.
Post by: LeeB on July 27, 2023, 11:44:21 AM
Post by: Nii Lamptey on July 27, 2023, 12:09:56 PM
Another striker, RB, and backup GK and the sky is the limit.
Win this weekend, at least matching Chelsea's result, and we're crowned Premier League Champions.... of America! UTV ;)
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2023, 12:25:37 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 12:32:17 PM
The problem with his argument about too many minutes in the legs is that for every example you can give of a player who peaked early there's a Milner/Young/Messi/etc who was playing regularly as a teenager and is still going in their mid to late 30s.Yes. It's an interesting issue to highlight but by no means a hard and fast rule of thumb. I think they give it validity because of his drop off last season, but there could be any number of reasons for that.
It's something I hadn't thought about anyway and something worth keeping an eye on.
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2023, 12:40:06 PM
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2023, 12:42:11 PM
They then make a video that tries to paint that idea as the only way to interpret things and they handwave anything that doesn't fit.
From that specific video when he's talking about the defensive options he does mention konsa at right back but then instead of accepting it would solve many of the problems he's suggested he goes off on us needing to flip it and waste Moreno. He showed with the back 3 how that could work but just wouldn't put the 2 together.
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2023, 12:46:43 PM
Post by: eamonn on July 27, 2023, 01:12:38 PM
The main reason most of the Leicester team played badly last season was that they stuck with Brenda too long.
Didn't he down tools at his club in France too to get his PL move? Hopefully the novelty won't wear off for him at the Villa. He might have already won the FA Cup with a screamer, we haven't won it even with a Withe-shinner since Bill Haley rocked around that friggin' clock.
Post by: pablo_picasso on July 27, 2023, 01:31:46 PM
Tifo don't hate Villa but they have extremely rigid (and pretentious) views on football and couldn't cope with us last year breaking their precious little model, so they dismissed us as 'lucky'.
Fuck 'em, the floppy haired little oat milk cartons.
The fact that they dismissed us as "lucky" shows they have zero idea about us.
For starters, "luck" is about as real as "magic".
But most importantly, they tried to use the data to fit the idea they already had in their heads because they couldn't understand what was happening.
And Aston Villa Football Club being strong again is not in their agenda.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 01:36:57 PM
Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.
Well he makes the point that the first two players we signed were essentially replacements/competition for two of our best and most important players. He goes on to mention we are in need elsewhere including wide attacker (now Dialby of course), right back etc - all of which I agree entirely with.
Of course we needed depth and we trust Unai to get it right, but I don't think at the start of the summer many of us would have thought our first two signings (at almost our record fees) would have been a left sided centre back and a player very similar to Doug. However we feel about Unai, I think it was a reasonable analysis to make.
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2023, 03:26:13 PM
Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.
Well he makes the point that the first two players we signed were essentially replacements/competition for two of our best and most important players. He goes on to mention we are in need elsewhere including wide attacker (now Dialby of course), right back etc - all of which I agree entirely with.
Of course we needed depth and we trust Unai to get it right, but I don't think at the start of the summer many of us would have thought our first two signings (at almost our record fees) would have been a left sided centre back and a player very similar to Doug. However we feel about Unai, I think it was a reasonable analysis to make.
The signings quite clearly haven't made us worse. Even if we signed the second, third and fouth best keepers in the world after Emi, we'd have too many keepers, but they wouldn't make us worse. Load of nonsense.
Post by: danno on July 27, 2023, 03:29:40 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 03:43:22 PM
No of course not. Really his hypothesis was does Torres make us worse if he replaces Mings. I think in isolation it probably does defensively, hence the clickbait headline. But of course we all know team set up doesn't work like that.Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.
Well he makes the point that the first two players we signed were essentially replacements/competition for two of our best and most important players. He goes on to mention we are in need elsewhere including wide attacker (now Dialby of course), right back etc - all of which I agree entirely with.
Of course we needed depth and we trust Unai to get it right, but I don't think at the start of the summer many of us would have thought our first two signings (at almost our record fees) would have been a left sided centre back and a player very similar to Doug. However we feel about Unai, I think it was a reasonable analysis to make.
The signings quite clearly haven't made us worse. Even if we signed the second, third and fouth best keepers in the world after Emi, we'd have too many keepers, but they wouldn't make us worse. Load of nonsense.
I don't know why people get so sensitive about this stuff. It's a reasonable analysis that I mostly agreed with (as was their video on XG last season). He hasn't shagged your Mom, he's just made a video discussing Aston Villa's signings. It's good that we're in the conversation.
Post by: Risso on July 27, 2023, 03:45:09 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 03:45:55 PM
All I said was the title is clickbait shite. It is.I agree.
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2023, 03:46:49 PM
Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.
Well he makes the point that the first two players we signed were essentially replacements/competition for two of our best and most important players. He goes on to mention we are in need elsewhere including wide attacker (now Dialby of course), right back etc - all of which I agree entirely with.
Of course we needed depth and we trust Unai to get it right, but I don't think at the start of the summer many of us would have thought our first two signings (at almost our record fees) would have been a left sided centre back and a player very similar to Doug. However we feel about Unai, I think it was a reasonable analysis to make.
There are a few problems with that though:
1. just because they're the first 2 signings through the door doesn't mean they were the highest priority, just that they were time-sensitive (Tielemans) or comparitively simple (Pau). Diaby next was clearly far messier because of the Saudi involvement and I think we might have had a few other options we were asking about for that role as well (that's not to say he wasn't first choice but rather that we spoke to agents about a few players and then made the decision once we knew what our options were).
2. Philogene has had a chance and looked decent in one of those priority gaps, Emery may well have decided to hold back and watch him for a while before pressing ahead with that transfer. Same with Konsa having a run at right back to see if it could work before we push on with plans there. We were linked with Meunier before and now it's changed to a kid who we'd clearly be giving time to before expecting him to step up so maybe that indicates a change in the plans, which again would suggest a bit of a delay in making the decision makes sense.
3. Mings and Konsa finished the season excellently but the back up options were Chambers who Emery seems unconvinced by and Carlos who is recovering from an injury that would've been career threatening 20-30years ago, if he gets back to his best then it's a bonus. Ditto with Luiz and Kamara, they're both very good but with Kamara being a bit injury prone so far we needed another player on that level to really push on. Tielemans on a free is as good an options as I can imagine for that and, unlike the tifo guy, I think any 2 from 3 combo of them will work.
Aside from that, I think the passing angles thing he was coming out with the explain why Pau won't play right is a bit of a red herring based on old styles of play and far less accomplished footballers.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 03:56:57 PM
Tielemans is poor defensively and I think Doug covers Kamara and he covers Doug in the event of a Kamara injury. But yes I agree, it's a very strong three to choose from.
His conclusion wasn't that we've made shit signings. Yes it was a clickbait headline but the overall analysis was pretty sound (in my opinion)
I think we will continue to build down the left mostly, so I think his passing analysis was correct.
Post by: paul_e on July 27, 2023, 04:20:26 PM
I don't disagree with most of what you say Paul. But he was commenting on spending £65m 'theoretically' replacing two of our best players. Obviously they're not straight replacements and squad depth etc. But he has a point. The video was made before we signed Diaby, which he identified was an area we needed to look at. He wasn't suggesting our window is over. I wouldn't expect him to have detailed knowledge of a youngster who had been on loan and had a decent game against Walsall.
Tielemans is poor defensively and I think Doug covers Kamara and he covers Doug in the event of a Kamara injury. But yes I agree, it's a very strong three to choose from.
His conclusion wasn't that we've made shit signings. Yes it was a clickbait headline but the overall analysis was pretty sound (in my opinion)
I think we will continue to build down the left mostly, so I think his passing analysis was correct.
Where are you getting £65m from? Tielemans was free and Pau was £30-35m.
I wasn't expecting him to have knowledge of kids, my point was that how we have organised the window will be based on a lot more than creating a list of gaps to fill/upgrades to find, putting them in priority order and then working our way down the list. Which is why any analysis partway through the window doesn't really mean anything. That's why the video is so clickbait-y, it was just to drive a few views with very little actual content.
He didn't have a conclusion, that's the other point I was making, the closest he came to one was to admit that he didn't know how we'd be setting out our defence for next season.
On the passing thing do you think Torres and Mings together at centre back makes it more difficult for us to build our play down the left? If not then I'm not really sure how you can say he was correct. Without wanting to repeat myself and bore the shit out of people the idea that footedness makes a difference is based on centre backs being far poorer on the ball than Mings and Torres are. The old idea was that a pass into a centre half puts them under pressure over their touch so, to ease that pressure you want them to favour having the ball on the outside so they can either smash down the line or out of play as an out ball. If they're on the wrong side that wild hack clear is going across the pitch which is riskier. If the player is comfortable to take 2-3 touches and look for a pass (as we are) then it's irrelevant, especially when your out ball is a pass back to the keeper instead (who is also now expected by a coach like ours to to able to take a touch and pick a pass).
It's not that I think it was particularly poor but rather that it felt like someone who hasn't actually watched us play as much as he should've and who was only making a video because he had a deadline to meet so he just came up with a pretty pointless analysis of a transfer window that was, at that point, about 25% complete.
Post by: chrisw1 on July 27, 2023, 04:31:44 PM
The point re passing lanes is Torres will almost certainly play on the left as we build up from that side. You don't pay £40m for a player and then compromise what you have signed him for. We are therefore leaving out our best defender or hoping he can adjust to playing on the right. The fact you think he should be able to doesn't mean he will.
But I clearly disagree with most of you on the merits of the Tifo stuff. I think it's some of the best analysis out there and am always pleased when they cover Villa.
Post by: Hookeysmith on July 28, 2023, 02:30:43 PM
I was concerned by Carlos* but thought he looked very strong and some long passing was sublime.
Did not see a lot with Torres but maybe that is a good thing.
Diaby did next to fuck all apart from mis control his first touch but finished it brilliantly.
So i think our new signings (*I know Carlos is not new but for what he has played so far for Villa he might as well be) were all pretty decent and seem to fit in with our play very well.
Post by: Toronto Villa on August 03, 2023, 08:44:34 PM
Post by: Risso on August 03, 2023, 08:55:05 PM
absolutely superb tonight
A complete midfield performance. Brilliant.
Post by: PaulWinch again on August 03, 2023, 09:09:34 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on August 03, 2023, 09:17:45 PM
Post by: mrfuse on August 03, 2023, 09:28:23 PM
Post by: VillaTim on August 03, 2023, 09:35:14 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on August 03, 2023, 10:01:10 PM
Best player on the pitch. Class
He was, I wonder if even Unai knows what his best line up is for 5he first game at the moment.
Post by: DrGonzo on August 03, 2023, 10:03:16 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on August 04, 2023, 03:22:26 AM
I don't disagree with most of what you say Paul. But he was commenting on spending £65m 'theoretically' replacing two of our best players. Obviously they're not straight replacements and squad depth etc. But he has a point. The video was made before we signed Diaby, which he identified was an area we needed to look at. He wasn't suggesting our window is over. I wouldn't expect him to have detailed knowledge of a youngster who had been on loan and had a decent game against Walsall.
Tielemans is poor defensively and I think Doug covers Kamara and he covers Doug in the event of a Kamara injury. But yes I agree, it's a very strong three to choose from.
His conclusion wasn't that we've made shit signings. Yes it was a clickbait headline but the overall analysis was pretty sound (in my opinion)
I think we will continue to build down the left mostly, so I think his passing analysis was correct.
Where are you getting £65m from? Tielemans was free and Pau was £30-35m.
I wasn't expecting him to have knowledge of kids, my point was that how we have organised the window will be based on a lot more than creating a list of gaps to fill/upgrades to find, putting them in priority order and then working our way down the list. Which is why any analysis partway through the window doesn't really mean anything. That's why the video is so clickbait-y, it was just to drive a few views with very little actual content.
He didn't have a conclusion, that's the other point I was making, the closest he came to one was to admit that he didn't know how we'd be setting out our defence for next season.
On the passing thing do you think Torres and Mings together at centre back makes it more difficult for us to build our play down the left? If not then I'm not really sure how you can say he was correct. Without wanting to repeat myself and bore the shit out of people the idea that footedness makes a difference is based on centre backs being far poorer on the ball than Mings and Torres are. The old idea was that a pass into a centre half puts them under pressure over their touch so, to ease that pressure you want them to favour having the ball on the outside so they can either smash down the line or out of play as an out ball. If they're on the wrong side that wild hack clear is going across the pitch which is riskier. If the player is comfortable to take 2-3 touches and look for a pass (as we are) then it's irrelevant, especially when your out ball is a pass back to the keeper instead (who is also now expected by a coach like ours to to able to take a touch and pick a pass).
It's not that I think it was particularly poor but rather that it felt like someone who hasn't actually watched us play as much as he should've and who was only making a video because he had a deadline to meet so he just came up with a pretty pointless analysis of a transfer window that was, at that point, about 25% complete.
He’s a Villa fan so I’m sure he pays due attention.
Post by: tomd2103 on August 04, 2023, 10:51:10 AM
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Post by: villadelph on September 08, 2023, 01:41:43 PM
https://www.dhnet.be/sports/football/diablesrouges/2023/09/08/le-banc-a-aston-villa-enerve-youri-tielemans-jai-dit-au-coach-que-je-veux-jouer-YAUE4655BRDIFGKCTQLSJYFT5M/
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2023, 01:44:57 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 08, 2023, 02:25:27 PM
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on September 08, 2023, 02:28:55 PM
Did anyone hear this press conference first hand? Apparently, Tielemans is already unhappy with his lack of involvement - described the situation as "unpleasant".
https://www.dhnet.be/sports/football/diablesrouges/2023/09/08/le-banc-a-aston-villa-enerve-youri-tielemans-jai-dit-au-coach-que-je-veux-jouer-YAUE4655BRDIFGKCTQLSJYFT5M/
I think unpleasant is a bit strong - thats a literal google translate of "agreable", an English speaker might have something like "it's not great". Then he goes onto say when he gets an opportunity , he wants to take it. Not sure there's much to be worried about, it's what any player would say I'd have thought.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 08, 2023, 02:37:24 PM
Post by: AV84 on September 08, 2023, 02:38:12 PM
I'd assume several players will see more playing time after the break when the matches start stacking up.
Post by: VillaTim on September 08, 2023, 02:41:58 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 08, 2023, 03:09:14 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on September 08, 2023, 04:15:02 PM
He's clearly not happy though. It looks like he thought he'd be straight into the starting eleven.
Post by: Risso on September 08, 2023, 04:16:22 PM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 08, 2023, 04:29:26 PM
Post by: john2710 on September 08, 2023, 04:49:00 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 08, 2023, 04:57:51 PM
I love watching Kamara play & in a game where we dominate he looks a class act. But he looks utterly lost in games where we don't dominate. I don't think it'll be too long before Tielmans is starting in his place.wasn’t the same thing aimed at Tielmans?
Post by: Bad English on September 08, 2023, 05:21:23 PM
Post by: Taylor on September 08, 2023, 05:28:13 PM
Play better then.
I have to admit Risso, sometimes your “tell it like it is” approach, I find a tad grating (especially with regards to Ollie Watkins). However on this occasion I’m in total agreement.
Post by: olaftab on September 08, 2023, 06:14:04 PM
Did anyone hear this press conference first hand? Apparently, Tielemans is already unhappy with his lack of involvement - described the situation as "unpleasant".Nothing wrong with what he said. He was questioned about not playing regularly and he gave an honest answer. He is going to get plenty of first XI football in the next few weeks so "better shape up" son, and make yourself indispensable.
https://www.dhnet.be/sports/football/diablesrouges/2023/09/08/le-banc-a-aston-villa-enerve-youri-tielemans-jai-dit-au-coach-que-je-veux-jouer-YAUE4655BRDIFGKCTQLSJYFT5M/
Post by: Ian. on September 08, 2023, 06:25:43 PM
Post by: Clampy on September 08, 2023, 09:18:33 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 08, 2023, 09:24:36 PM
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Youri Tielemans hints at Man Utd regret with public criticism of Aston Villa’s Unai Emery
Youri Tielemans has taken aim at manager Unai Emery for his lack of game time since moving to Aston Villa.
The Belgian midfielder quit Leicester this summer at the end of his contract, with the Foxes suffering a shock relegation to the Championship. He eventually put pen to paper on a four-year contract with a move across the Midlands to Villa
It hasn’t quite gone the way Tielemans will have wanted since arriving at the club, however. The former Anderlecht and Monaco star has made six appearances for his new club this term, just one of those being starts - that coming in the second-leg of Villa’s Europa Conference League playoff against Hibernian when already 5-0 up on aggregate.
Now, he has publicly declared his displeasure with the situation facing him under Emery. Speaking whilst on international duty, the 26-year-old said: “The situation is not pleasant.
“I told the manager that I came to Villa to play. He understands me, but at the moment, he prefers to play with the two midfielders from last season. He told me that soon, there will be a succession of games and I’ll get more playing time.
“I know that answer doesn’t get me anywhere, but what should I do? As soon as I get the opportunity, I want to take it. So far, I’ve started once, in the Conference League.”
And under a photo of him in a Villa shirt is this "Would Youri Tielemans have been a good signing for Man United? Share your thoughts in the comments below"
Post by: villadelph on September 08, 2023, 09:50:57 PM
The Mirror are running this story now with a headline which includes 'Tielemans hints at Man Utd regret'. What a load of bollocks.
That's exactly why I brough it up, and primarily why I was worried about it. The translation doesn't bode well and makes it seem like he's already unhappy. He never mentions yanited, but the media are still going to throw gas on the fire.
Post by: VillaTim on September 08, 2023, 09:53:30 PM
Post by: CT Villan on September 08, 2023, 11:05:50 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on September 08, 2023, 11:14:57 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 09, 2023, 03:47:51 AM
He’s saying he’s not happy he isn’t starting but has been told he will be soon. There’s nothing else in it other than made up shit.
correct. It would be a bigger story for us and not at all for the media if he said "yeh I can't be arsed really. Love being paid to be on the bench. It's pretty much the same if I play or not"
Post by: Paul.S on September 09, 2023, 09:48:11 AM
Any more repeats of his Hibs performance and he'll do well to make the bench.
That was his chance to shine against weak opposition and he didn’t take it. He’s going to get a few more chances over the next few weeks. Too early to judge him but he has to up his game otherwise he won’t be with us for long.
Post by: andyh on September 09, 2023, 10:04:13 AM
I am sure there is a great player in there, and great players prove it, not bellyache about it.
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2023, 10:59:00 AM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on September 09, 2023, 11:07:56 AM
Post by: The Man With A Stick on September 09, 2023, 11:25:56 AM
Any more repeats of his Hibs performance and he'll do well to make the bench.
That was his chance to shine against weak opposition and he didn’t take it. He’s going to get a few more chances over the next few weeks. Too early to judge him but he has to up his game otherwise he won’t be with us for long.
Hopefully he takes his chance, the Mirror (or whichever rag it was) headline and article were slightly unfair based on what he actually said. Like you said, it's very early days, sure he'll come good when he gets a run of games.
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2023, 11:32:05 AM
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2023, 11:43:29 AM
Bottom line is that the man downed tools last season as soon as Leicester were in trouble with his inept effort and he's going down the same route here with his application so far.
Blimey Aftab, give the guy a chance. Perhaps this needs to be in a scapegoats thread or summat.
Post by: olaftab on September 09, 2023, 11:48:31 AM
Post by: john2710 on September 09, 2023, 11:49:56 AM
Maybe Diaby & Torres would have been introduced gradually if we hadn't seen the injuries to Buendia & Ming's.
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2023, 11:55:13 AM
He was played on the left side of midfield against Hibs. I'm not sure that's his natural position. I assume, his best position is where Luiz plays & let's face it, he's not ousting him anytime soon.
Maybe Diaby & Torres would have been introduced gradually if we hadn't seen the injuries to Buendia & Ming's.
I think Torres would have. Not sure about Diaby, he'd have gone straight in.
Post by: VillaTim on September 09, 2023, 12:08:48 PM
Post by: Axl Rose on September 09, 2023, 12:14:00 PM
Bottom line is that the man downed tools last season as soon as Leicester were in trouble with his inept effort and he's going down the same route here with his application so far.
😂
My dad absolutely hates him. Thought he was a cracking player until last season.
I'm willing to give him a chance. If it doesn't work, sell him.
Post by: Steve67 on September 09, 2023, 02:19:02 PM
Steve, I have defended him on his recent comments (on here) but not impressed with his on pitch effort so far. He'e a seasoned PL player and an international, regularly starting for FIFA 1/2 ranked team. We have a right to expect more.
To be honest, I haven't been impressed with him either but this is a low risk signing that we'll make a profit on if we sold. That said, he might be like Petrov was, slow starter. He needs games and needs to up his level and I suspect the clever journo knows that and may have targeted a bit of disruption for Villa. We will see I guess, but just a bit early. Hope he smashes it for us though.
Post by: Clampy on September 09, 2023, 02:23:38 PM
Post by: Risso on September 09, 2023, 03:37:25 PM
I think it's too early to tell. He's played what, two and a half games? I didn't really expect him to walk straight into the midfield anyway.
Me either. It looks like he did though!
Post by: brontebilly on September 09, 2023, 03:55:22 PM
Steve, I have defended him on his recent comments (on here) but not impressed with his on pitch effort so far. He'e a seasoned PL player and an international, regularly starting for FIFA 1/2 ranked team. We have a right to expect more.
Agreed, thought his cameo appearances against Newcastle and Liverpool were more of the half arsed effort variety that he showed at Leicester last season. Busting a gut to impress he certainly wasn't. Needs to up it, a lot.
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 09, 2023, 04:21:24 PM
Post by: Paul.S on September 09, 2023, 06:01:32 PM
Any more repeats of his Hibs performance and he'll do well to make the bench.
That was his chance to shine against weak opposition and he didn’t take it. He’s going to get a few more chances over the next few weeks. Too early to judge him but he has to up his game otherwise he won’t be with us for long.
Hopefully he takes his chance, the Mirror (or whichever rag it was) headline and article were slightly unfair based on what he actually said. Like you said, it's very early days, sure he'll come good when he gets a run of games.
I’m sure he will and have absolutely no interest in today football journalism which is appallingly bad. Hopefully Emery is working his magic on him and he’ll benefit.
Post by: tony scott on September 10, 2023, 01:04:28 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 10, 2023, 01:11:44 PM
I wonder what was promised, if anything when he signed considering Emi wasn’t injured then. I wondered were we where going to play him, when he was signed, who was he an upgrade on; that still isn’t clear. I think unless he gets a run of starts, replacing who? he will be constantly unsettled at the club.
The games start coming thick and fast bow though with league, league cup, euro conference games. He’ll come in for Dougie or Kamara for at least some of those, unless he plays the way he did against Hibernian.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 10, 2023, 02:29:32 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 10, 2023, 02:37:33 PM
Post by: PaulTheVillan on September 11, 2023, 08:49:01 AM
Post by: Duncan Shaw on September 11, 2023, 08:53:43 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 11, 2023, 09:02:35 AM
We probably should have played him in the tough away games versus Newcastle and Liverpool. A midfield 3 of Kamara, Doug and Youri would probably given us a more solid base. Furthermore, if we are to have a bigger squad, “two first teasers for each position etc”, then we need to rotate players and not just wait for injuries.
On the other hand he did not look great versus Hibs (he was good pre-season though) and it is too early in the season to make any absolute rules from the selections to date.
Definitely not the news story being spun in the press though. What else is he meant to say…
Post by: algy on September 11, 2023, 09:09:37 AM
Post by: AV82EC on September 11, 2023, 11:18:16 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on September 11, 2023, 12:00:05 PM
I would be more disappointed if he had responded that he was happy at not playing & picking up a free wage...
As we grow, squad management is going to become more important than it has been in the past because the level below the first picks aren't going to be much of a drop off in quality.
Especially compared to what we have been used to in terms of "backup" squad players...
Post by: Smithy on September 11, 2023, 01:37:15 PM
These are the sorts of problems you have to expect when you've got a bigger squad, with quality players throughout. I'm sure he's going to play plenty when we start our European campaign and hopefully continue our cup run(s). If he plays well enough to dislodge someone permanently, then great!
Post by: brontebilly on September 11, 2023, 03:32:14 PM
I don't see what the issue is personally.
I would be more disappointed if he had responded that he was happy at not playing & picking up a free wage...
As we grow, squad management is going to become more important than it has been in the past because the level below the first picks aren't going to be much of a drop off in quality.
Especially compared to what we have been used to in terms of "backup" squad players...
It's more than a bit early for him to be whinging about lack of minutes on the pitch. But maybe it's just one of the scenarios where northern Europeans can be very honest in terms of how they answer questions and it can be refreshing in lots of ways.
But Tielemans hasnt impressed in the slightest in his cameos thus far and that's where his focus should be. The concerns around his signing to start with are still very much there to be addressed a) the lack of application evident in his last 12-18 months at Leicester and b) effectively he is competing with our best player (Luiz) for game time. Luiz is miles ahead of him at the moment and he isn't really an option for the other midfield spots. Will be good to get the Donk back in the mix for minutes after this break.
Post by: Drummond on September 11, 2023, 03:36:39 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 11, 2023, 04:36:55 PM
I think of all the positions on the pitch, midfield is the hardest to come on and make a big difference.
Maybe so but then again Tielemans has performed at a very high level for club and country previously so you expect him to make an impact. 45 mins v Newcastle and 20mins or so v Liverpool so it wasn't just a garbage time run out. I didn't see the Hibs game but reports on here and elsewhere suggested limited impact too. The worrying thing for me is not say misplaced passes or errors but just that the pace of the games so far have been too much for him.
Post by: Steve67 on September 11, 2023, 08:10:04 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 11, 2023, 08:18:56 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 12, 2023, 01:16:58 PM
I don't see what the issue is personally.
I would be more disappointed if he had responded that he was happy at not playing & picking up a free wage...
As we grow, squad management is going to become more important than it has been in the past because the level below the first picks aren't going to be much of a drop off in quality.
Especially compared to what we have been used to in terms of "backup" squad players...
It's more than a bit early for him to be whinging about lack of minutes on the pitch. But maybe it's just one of the scenarios where northern Europeans can be very honest in terms of how they answer questions and it can be refreshing in lots of ways.
But Tielemans hasnt impressed in the slightest in his cameos thus far and that's where his focus should be. The concerns around his signing to start with are still very much there to be addressed a) the lack of application evident in his last 12-18 months at Leicester and b) effectively he is competing with our best player (Luiz) for game time. Luiz is miles ahead of him at the moment and he isn't really an option for the other midfield spots. Will be good to get the Donk back in the mix for minutes after this break.
I agree with most of that, but not about him being in direct competion with Luiz. I think Dendonker is deep sitting, Luiz and Kamara deep sitting or central and Tielemans, McGinn and Ramsey central or more advanced. We sometimes play 3, sometimes play 4 and if you consider potential injuries and suspensions as well as game overload there is no reason to think that he won't play plenty. Which he should realise himself before opening his mouth about it really, the only thing that is going to keep him out of the team is if he keeps playing like he did against Hibs. In the friendly against Lazio he and Luiz played most of the match together and looked very effective.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 12, 2023, 06:10:16 PM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on September 12, 2023, 06:41:48 PM
I see him as a Kevin Richardson, works hard won't give it away cheap, ideal for flooding the midfield in a tough away game who can bang one in from long range. But if I was naming our strongest 11 Youri isn't in it.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 12, 2023, 06:47:52 PM
Maybe Tielemans was a Lange signing, that emery wasn't aware of? I was surprised we signed him in the summer I was hoping to see upgrades on Bailey and Bunedia (did get Diarby so one out of two)
I see him as a Kevin Richardson, works hard won't give it away cheap, ideal for flooding the midfield in a tough away game who can bang one in from long range. But if I was naming our strongest 11 Youri isn't in it.
I would see him as a much more creative than that.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 12, 2023, 06:54:40 PM
Tielemans spoke when he joined about how Emery had called him and persuaded him to come.
Post by: Flamingo Lane on September 12, 2023, 06:57:00 PM
I think of all the positions on the pitch, midfield is the hardest to come on and make a big difference.
It should really be the least hard, I'd have thought.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 16, 2023, 07:01:26 PM
Post by: jwarry on September 16, 2023, 07:04:56 PM
Lovely pass to put Diaby away to set up the third.
Yes but
Post by: Mister E on September 16, 2023, 08:38:02 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 16, 2023, 08:38:33 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 16, 2023, 10:06:19 PM
He's not going to be the guy if it's an end to end basketball type match, that obviously suits McGinn much more.
However against teams that low block and sit deep he can get on the ball and try to hit that pinpoint pass.
Interesting to see how he develops here. Can certainly see him being a key player for us in europe.
Post by: UK Redsox on September 16, 2023, 10:32:25 PM
I think this is the role where Tielemans can excel.
He's not going to be the guy if it's an end to end basketball type match, that obviously suits McGinn much more.
However against teams that low block and sit deep he can get on the ball and try to hit that pinpoint pass.
Interesting to see how he develops here. Can certainly see him being a key player for us in europe.
With the way Villa dominated in the first half, Tielemans with his ability to pick a pass, might have been better suited to the game than SJM
Post by: Clampy on September 16, 2023, 10:33:17 PM
Post by: Risso on September 16, 2023, 10:48:34 PM
Great to see him make an impact, it will do him good. Not sure why some people expected him start like a train, it just sometimes never happens.
It always sometimes happens.
Post by: AV84 on September 16, 2023, 11:31:59 PM
Great to see him make an impact, it will do him good. Not sure why some people expected him start like a train, it just sometimes never happens.
It always sometimes happens.
90% of the time it happens all the time
Post by: olaftab on September 16, 2023, 11:41:09 PM
Post by: OCD on September 18, 2023, 11:26:30 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2023, 11:29:18 AM
I think he's going to develop into a fab player for us, I'm just not sure how we're going to keep all the midfielders happy, but that's Emery's job!
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 18, 2023, 11:31:31 AM
Post by: brontebilly on September 18, 2023, 12:19:17 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 18, 2023, 12:21:21 PM
Quality pass into Watkins, the one to set Diaby free was easy enough. Confidence hopefully gets a lift now. Would start him for Luiz midweek and see how he does with one of Kamara/Donk next to him.
Even with the easier second pass he doesn't rush, takes an extra touch to allow a better angle and give Diaby more time to get further forward, then the weight is spot on too.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 18, 2023, 12:34:58 PM
Great to have a bench to be able to change a game like this
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 18, 2023, 12:53:02 PM
I like the fact that SUE does not keep McGinn on just because he is Captain. He has been well below par last 2 games so the change turned the game.
Great to have a bench to be able to change a game like this
He won’t and give McGinn a break, he has been exceptional since Emery came in and 2 sub par games is hardly the end of the world.
Post by: Bully2345 on September 18, 2023, 01:25:34 PM
I expect Tielemans to start on Thursday. He grew into it on Saturday and made some lovely passes
Post by: Somniloquism on September 18, 2023, 02:31:23 PM
What I really enjoyed was the bloke near me calling him "Big Mouth" constantly as soon as he came on. We were only saved from this monotonous joke by the arrival of Bailey, who is his favourite to moan about.
For several years in the late 90's, I was sat next to one guy who was sound, and his mate who literally ripped it out of any player on the pitch in a villa shirt. Occasionally he wasn't there as he would get a ticket in the Lower Trinity so he could criticise the bench up close. One of his more infamous comments was "why bring that waster on?" about an 18yo Darius Vassell in the home game against Strømsgodset in the 80th minute.
Post by: Exeter 77 on September 18, 2023, 03:02:26 PM
Post by: supertom on September 18, 2023, 03:13:20 PM
Dougie is nailed on right now and he's been superb.
Nice to have options though.
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 19, 2023, 02:09:42 AM
That lasted well...
Post by: Somniloquism on September 19, 2023, 08:50:32 AM
After Youri's slow start someone near me shouted out, "Get back to Leicester!!"
That lasted well...
You sit close to Aftab then?
Post by: LeeB on September 19, 2023, 09:13:53 AM
After Youri's slow start someone near me shouted out, "Get back to Leicester!!"
That lasted well...
You sit close to Aftab then?
In fairness, the general chat around me when he came on was that he needs to lift his game a bit, which he subsequently did.
Post by: Axl Rose on September 19, 2023, 09:35:16 AM
Yes, he's been on the bench blah blah blah, but he's apparently brilliant, and plays for Belgium who are apparently brilliant.
So yes, nice to see him produce on Saturday.
More please, Youri, or next time I'm home I'll drop you off at the Clock Tower. And nobody wants to be dropped off there.
Post by: olaftab on September 19, 2023, 12:05:56 PM
Haha...whilst I may criticise him on here I will never be rude to him whilst he's on the pitch in a Villa shirt.After Youri's slow start someone near me shouted out, "Get back to Leicester!!"
That lasted well...
You sit close to Aftab then?
Post by: dcdavecollett on September 21, 2023, 01:24:53 AM
Post by: eamonn on September 22, 2023, 02:06:03 PM
If he's a passenger off-the-ball and shunning defensive work, he won't be someone we can rely on.
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2023, 02:16:28 PM
Post by: Drummond on September 22, 2023, 02:43:01 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 22, 2023, 02:47:47 PM
Post by: usav on September 22, 2023, 02:49:57 PM
Early days but bugger me, let's pick it up a bit eh, Youri?
He's had one good game so far that I can recall, and that was one of the friendlies over here in the States.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 27, 2023, 10:07:00 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 27, 2023, 10:08:29 PM
Post by: Risso on September 27, 2023, 10:08:53 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 27, 2023, 10:09:21 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 27, 2023, 10:11:49 PM
Post by: rougegorge on September 27, 2023, 10:13:40 PM
A Leicester fan at work told me he was rubbish last season as well.
Post by: AV84 on September 27, 2023, 10:15:08 PM
However, as many have said, he's had several chances to stake a claim for league starts, and hasn't even secured himself as a 2nd string substitute. I'd assume the fact Emery sticks with him means he's seeing something we're not. But as far as performances go, he really hasn't impressed.
Post by: Stu82 on September 27, 2023, 10:20:33 PM
Post by: rougegorge on September 27, 2023, 10:30:03 PM
Since Milner, we've had:
Pires
Jenas
El Ahmadi
Cleverley
Gueye
Tshibola
Lansbury
Carroll
Sanson
...and now Tielemans
Post by: ASHTONVILLA on September 27, 2023, 10:30:13 PM
I hope we see the form he showed at Leicester eventually, but thus far he's been bobbins.
Post by: Pete3206 on September 27, 2023, 10:56:50 PM
Post by: Lastfootstamper on September 27, 2023, 11:04:21 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on September 27, 2023, 11:06:22 PM
Post by: FrankyH on September 27, 2023, 11:10:37 PM
Post by: Des Little on September 27, 2023, 11:13:55 PM
Maybe it's the curse of the number 8 shirt.
Since Milner, we've had:
Pires
Jenas
El Ahmadi
Cleverley
Gueye
Tshibola
Lansbury
Carroll
Sanson
...and now Tielemans
My mate has been unable to call these players by their name since the days of El Ahmadi. He has simply referred to them as ‘the number 8’ because they’ve all been invariably shit.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on September 27, 2023, 11:17:14 PM
There's a player in there somewhere, but on current effort alone, he's bottom of the list in my book.
Post by: olaftab on September 27, 2023, 11:32:28 PM
Post by: eamonn on September 27, 2023, 11:39:35 PM
I'm beginning to feel we massively overpaid for him. I can't get over how consistently shit he is.
Er, presuming you're not joking, he was on a Bosman. But yeah, an £8m signing-on fee or whatever and £150k a week if true, is too much relative to contribution. Up to Unai's "no excuses" coaching staff to make him shine again.
Post by: brontebilly on September 27, 2023, 11:53:43 PM
Maybe it's the curse of the number 8 shirt.
Since Milner, we've had:
Pires
Jenas
El Ahmadi
Cleverley
Gueye
Tshibola
Lansbury
Carroll
Sanson
...and now Tielemans
Some list!
Post by: LeonW on September 27, 2023, 11:57:40 PM
Post by: Smirker on September 28, 2023, 12:00:42 AM
Jury still out, for me.
Post by: RichardBatchelor on September 28, 2023, 07:22:25 AM
Post by: Ian. on September 28, 2023, 07:27:06 AM
It was worth a punt with it being a free transfer.
Jury still out, for me.
Same here. There’s shades of a very good player, but I do think he needs to be in a team already flourishing as he’s not that player to make a team thrive and drag them out of a rut.
Post by: Ads on September 28, 2023, 07:41:55 AM
Post by: simboy on September 28, 2023, 08:01:11 AM
He looks OK when he comes on, but poor when he starts.
Against Palace he was anonymous ( or worse) when he came on,giving the ball away and mirroring the display last night for 15 minutes. His saving grace were two very good balls, one to Watkins and one to Diaby. He appears, to me at least, to be unable to play in the double pivot and better suited to three.
Post by: Vegas on September 28, 2023, 08:29:41 AM
Occasionally classy, obviously technically good, but slightly unfit, and lacking spit and fire.
The first two qualities in no way make up for the lack of the second two.
Post by: Ads on September 28, 2023, 08:39:48 AM
He looks OK when he comes on, but poor when he starts.
Against Palace he was anonymous ( or worse) when he came on,giving the ball away and mirroring the display last night for 15 minutes. His saving grace were two very good balls, one to Watkins and one to Diaby. He appears, to me at least, to be unable to play in the double pivot and better suited to three.
So he wasn't anonymous.
Post by: algy on September 28, 2023, 08:45:42 AM
I'm beginning to feel we massively overpaid for him. I can't get over how consistently shit he is.Bloody hell, massively overpaying for a free transfer. That's pretty bad ...
Post by: Dave P on September 28, 2023, 08:52:55 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on September 28, 2023, 09:09:59 AM
Post by: brontebilly on September 28, 2023, 09:27:09 AM
He looks OK when he comes on, but poor when he starts.
Against Palace he was anonymous ( or worse) when he came on,giving the ball away and mirroring the display last night for 15 minutes. His saving grace were two very good balls, one to Watkins and one to Diaby. He appears, to me at least, to be unable to play in the double pivot and better suited to three.
He was dreadful when he came on against Newcastle and Liverpool too. Game just passing him by, Sanson lite. Fire in his belly seems to have disappeared. At 26 his best years should be ahead of him but maybe it's like the old song when it's gone, it's gone.
Was the wrong signing for me anyway, we have no cover at all it seems for McGinn and Ramsey on the sides of what was a very effective box/narrow midfield four. Tielemans categorically cannot play Ramsey's role.
Post by: LeeB on September 28, 2023, 09:29:52 AM
Post by: AV84 on September 28, 2023, 09:30:24 AM
He looks OK when he comes on, but poor when he starts.
Against Palace he was anonymous ( or worse) when he came on,giving the ball away and mirroring the display last night for 15 minutes. His saving grace were two very good balls, one to Watkins and one to Diaby. He appears, to me at least, to be unable to play in the double pivot and better suited to three.
He was dreadful when he came on against Newcastle and Liverpool too. Game just passing him by, Sanson lite. Fire in his belly seems to have disappeared. At 26 his best years should be ahead of him but maybe it's like the old song when it's gone, it's gone.
Everyone was shit against Newcastle and Liverpool though, at least by the time he came on, and both games were already lost. The games he's started though there's no excuse.
Post by: LeeB on September 28, 2023, 09:44:29 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 28, 2023, 12:32:30 PM
I was really pleased when we got him, despite 2 or 3 Leicester mates saying he was a waster and his legs had gone. I'd hate for them to be right, so Youri, please pull your finger out of your arse. Thank you.
That'll be why he looks laboured, I think I'd struggle a bit to run about with a finger up my arse.
Post by: Clampy on September 28, 2023, 12:35:18 PM
I know he was ok against Palace but at the moment, he looks like the kind of player you bring on when you're 3 nil up and cruising. He's not been great at all so far.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 28, 2023, 12:55:52 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 28, 2023, 01:22:30 PM
Maybe a few years of Roberto Martinez does that to you.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 28, 2023, 01:25:48 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 28, 2023, 02:21:28 PM
Last season a few players seemed to take a while to adapt to how Emery wants us to play. I am hoping that explains his indifferent form so far. I agree with Ads in that he has shown more when he’s come on compared to his starts.Maybe he will learn Emery style however that will not rectify his total incompetence like the assist for DCL last night.
Post by: Risso on September 28, 2023, 03:08:29 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 28, 2023, 04:00:36 PM
Post by: Smithy on September 28, 2023, 04:11:41 PM
A 26 year old Belgian international with 4 years and nearly 150 games in the Premier League should have hit the ground running a lot more quickly than he has done. I get that Emery has mostly gone with his first choice pairing of Kamara and Luiz, but that should make Tielemans more determined to come in and make himself undroppable when he gets a chance. It's so disappointing, he's been absolute shite.
This is where I am. I thought his signing was a brilliant move by the club. Premier League experience, a proven trophy winner in England, a full international for a top side, still only 26, and free. It literally seemed like an almost zero-risk transfer.
I am clinging to the hope that he's still adapting to Emery's way of doing things, and that he will come good in the end, because right now, I don't see him coming close to dislodging any of our current midfielders, and he hasn't even had JJ ahead of him in the pecking order yet.
Post by: Risso on September 28, 2023, 04:30:34 PM
Post by: LeeB on September 28, 2023, 04:33:29 PM
He's just not even doing the basics expected of any Premier League footballer, and that's running around a bit and looking bothered. The actual passing bit of Emery's game plan should be second nature to him.
Yeah, it's not "Oh God, he can't trap a ball" it's "Oh God, he's a lazy gormless twat"
Post by: Paul.S on September 28, 2023, 04:48:30 PM
If not he won’t last past January and won’t get another game. It’s all on him to show what he can do and he’s had 3 starts so far.
Post by: eamonn on September 28, 2023, 05:41:58 PM
He's just not even doing the basics expected of any Premier League footballer, and that's running around a bit and looking bothered. The actual passing bit of Emery's game plan should be second nature to him.
Yeah, it's not "Oh God, he can't trap a ball" it's "Oh God, he's a lazy gormless twat"
Which makes it a funny one. You can't teach ability, which he clearly has. You can change an attitude but it depends on the person/player's humility and motivation.
Post by: frank black on September 28, 2023, 06:37:17 PM
Another “There’s a player in there somewhere” type it seems.
If he can get back to his best, he will be an asset. Big if though
Post by: RamboandBruno on September 28, 2023, 06:41:53 PM
He might be lacking confidence, like most things you tend have a feel for how things are panning out 10-12 games in, so we’ll see I guess.
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 28, 2023, 07:38:41 PM
Post by: brontebilly on September 28, 2023, 08:18:02 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 29, 2023, 08:31:07 AM
same was said about Tonev
Another “There’s a player in there somewhere” type it seems.
If he can get back to his best, he will be an asset. Big if though
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 29, 2023, 08:37:38 AM
same was said about Tonev
Another “There’s a player in there somewhere” type it seems.
If he can get back to his best, he will be an asset. Big if though
It might not work out for Tielemans, although hopefully it will. But there is a whole load more basis as to why it is reasonable to think it’s different from Tonev.
Post by: Clampy on September 29, 2023, 08:39:40 AM
same was said about Tonev
Another “There’s a player in there somewhere” type it seems.
If he can get back to his best, he will be an asset. Big if though
Tonev is an unfair comparison really.
Post by: London Villan on September 29, 2023, 08:50:34 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on September 29, 2023, 09:00:27 AM
Post by: OCD on September 29, 2023, 11:06:02 AM
Post by: Smithy on September 29, 2023, 11:08:59 AM
He'll score a goal of the season contender at some point.
Soon hopefully, and it will kickstart his career here! I sometimes wonder how important McGinn's worldie against Sheff Wed was in giving him the confidence to really shine for us in his first season. It came quite early on in his Villa career, if I remember correctly?
Post by: rooboy316 on September 29, 2023, 11:27:52 AM
Post by: AV84 on September 29, 2023, 01:46:06 PM
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Post by: tony scott on September 29, 2023, 02:19:29 PM
Post by: Risso on September 29, 2023, 02:21:12 PM
I'm hoping it's a case of he's a bit low on confidence and form so is possibly trying too hard. Which many footballers and athletes say can hinder them even more.
It doesn't look *exactly* like he's trying too hard...
Post by: AV82EC on September 29, 2023, 02:48:56 PM
I'm hoping it's a case of he's a bit low on confidence and form so is possibly trying too hard. Which many footballers and athletes say can hinder them even more.
It doesn't look *exactly* like he's trying too hard...
I think it’s too easy to say he isn’t trying, he’s just not doing the stuff over and above that with any confidence. To me he looks out of sorts, is struggling to adapt to the various roles he’s been given and his game seems to be suffering as a result. I’m sure he’ll settle in time but it’s frustrating watching him at the moment as we know what he is capable of.
Post by: UK Redsox on September 29, 2023, 04:39:44 PM
Tonev was a disgrace. Tielemens has proven in this league he can do it. Tonev proved nothing.
Bit harsh to say that Tonev was a disgrace, he just wasn't very good
Post by: charlatan on September 29, 2023, 08:37:56 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 06, 2023, 10:00:16 AM
Touches: 117 (1st)
Passes Attempted: 107 (1st)
Passes Completed: 89 (2nd)
Progressive Passes: 14 (1st)
Passes into opp box: 3 (2nd)
Shot Creating Actions: 8 (1st)
Carries: 80 (1st)
Aerials won: 2 (2nd)
Aerials won%: 100% (1st)
On balance, he also lost possession something like 25 times too, which is the bit that stands out of course, when we're assessing a new player.
He was trying a lot, and perhaps too hard, to make things happen. Probably makes him a direct replacement for Buendia.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 06, 2023, 10:07:17 AM
Last night's stats.
Touches: 117 (1st)
Passes Attempted: 107 (1st)
Passes Completed: 89 (2nd)
Progressive Passes: 14 (1st)
Passes into opp box: 3 (2nd)
Shot Creating Actions: 8 (1st)
Carries: 80 (1st)
Aerials won: 2 (2nd)
Aerials won%: 100% (1st)
On balance, he also lost possession something like 25 times too, which is the bit that stands out of course, when we're assessing a new player.
He was trying a lot, and perhaps too hard, to make things happen. Probably makes him a direct replacement for Buendia.
If we have a player who is perhaps trying too hard, it is Zaniolo, not Tielemans.
Post by: London Villan on October 06, 2023, 10:08:43 AM
Post by: brontebilly on October 06, 2023, 10:27:21 AM
The very obvious giving the ball away in dangerous positions almost cost us again last night - a bit like Olsen - the mistakes can prove very costly and are very obvious, therefore despite doing a lot right, it's what defines his appearances.
That back heel was poor and could have cost us against a better team. But if we are on about almosts then that was a cracking ball into Watkins who nodded onto Lenglet who had to score. Also a very good shot with his left that the keeper made a good save from. I'm not that worried about the missed passes to be honest, he has the technical ability to do it. Luiz in comparison is playing with huge confidence so his passing is a lot snappier and direct. Tielemans is capable of the same, in the first half especially his play was far too safe.
More importantly I thought he seemed a bit lighter on his feet in the second half. Granted it's against limited opponents but it's a start. That 96min will stand to him.
Post by: Chris Smith on October 06, 2023, 10:34:34 AM
Post by: London Villan on October 06, 2023, 10:36:48 AM
Post by: john e on October 06, 2023, 10:39:34 AM
Doug is the heartbeat of this team.
He’s good enough to play in any team in the world without looking out of place
Just hope we can put him on the stage he deserves
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2023, 10:40:17 AM
Post by: paul_e on October 06, 2023, 10:43:35 AM
Post by: john e on October 06, 2023, 10:55:36 AM
I actually can’t believe he’s got all those caps for a talented Belgian side, I just can’t get my head around that when I see him play
Post by: Risso on October 06, 2023, 11:00:31 AM
When Dendoncker signed I was a lot less pissed off than most and I thought he played well when called on last season mostly (1 or 2 very poor performances aside). This season however he looks, probably as expected, like a guy who missed pre-season and just isn't anywhere near fit enough to be playing and his form has nosedived because of it.
Agreed, he played his part when called upon, especially in the Newcastle game. But I don't think you can have the complete and utter lack of pace that he's got and be a success in the long term. Even somebody with decent passing needs some sort of pace at this level. He looks unfit and also well aware that his face doesn't fit any more. That moustache is rubbish as well.
Post by: London Villan on October 06, 2023, 11:05:15 AM
Post by: nick harper on October 06, 2023, 11:10:05 AM
As for Tielemans, I thought he got better as the game progressed. A few sloppy passes, but he never hid and I thought he was the one driving us on and looking for those key passes to open them up. He’ll get better as he gets more confident. Villa Park is not the most forgiving place when new players make slow starts.
Post by: Whiney MacWhineface on October 06, 2023, 11:20:41 AM
I heard the commentator mention Dendonker once.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 06, 2023, 11:23:09 AM
I thought Tielemans had his best game for us last night. He should press on from there. Or not.
I heard the commentator mention Dendonker once.
When he's confident and there's movement I like how he always tries to look for the forward pass. Maybe he's trying too hard? There's a good player in there, to me he just doesn't look sharp enough. But that could be said about a few others first half last night.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 06, 2023, 11:45:48 AM
But with that said I was very pleased with his work rate last night and it was great to see him so pumped up and celebrating with the Holte at the end. That's exactly what he needs, getting the crowd onside will help his confidence grow.
I'm still sceptical, but a bit more hopeful than I was.
Post by: OCD on October 06, 2023, 11:52:06 AM
Post by: London Villan on October 06, 2023, 12:30:37 PM
Post by: dave shelley on October 06, 2023, 12:55:47 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 01:02:39 PM
Tielemans, I think, at least looks like he might eventually do something, and the fact he's only been starting in these very disjointed squads, does make it difficult to judge him completely.
I always assume Emery asks specific things off his players, and while it might not be obvious to us, if they're doing what he asks them to do, he'll keep playing them. I assume, for now anyway, Tielemans is doing what's asked of him.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 06, 2023, 01:10:12 PM
Post by: OCD on October 06, 2023, 01:23:25 PM
Post by: Russ aka Big Nose on October 06, 2023, 02:39:12 PM
It made sense to bring him in as cover when Stevie G was in charge.
Under Emery, we look to dominate possession and when, like last night, teams are compact and reluctant to press, we typically play through midfield and that requires players comfortable to receive the ball in tight spaces to invite pressure that frees up space. As he demonstrated against Everton, that is really not his game. :o
His opportunities now will be limited. Probably, he will be most useful in closing out games when we are leading. UTV
Post by: SaddVillan on October 06, 2023, 04:47:30 PM
I don't think Donk would be featuring at all if Buendia and Ramsey weren't injured. Diaby is out now and Bailey missed a few, so all in all, if everyone was fit, I don't think he'd be getting starts anyway, maybe a few subs.
Tielemans, I think, at least looks like he might eventually do something, and the fact he's only been starting in these very disjointed squads, does make it difficult to judge him completely.
I always assume Emery asks specific things off his players, and while it might not be obvious to us, if they're doing what he asks them to do, he'll keep playing them. I assume, for now anyway, Tielemans is doing what's asked of him.
Think back to Dougie's first season or so.
Fans were calling for him to be sent back to City.
I have faith that Unai will get Tielemans into form. The problem is, is that he's not going to be a first choice (Bouba and Dougie have that sewn up), so he's only going to get starts in UECL games - would also have been a starter in the Carabao Cup, but that's gone.
So his opportunities to find form rhythm and a defined role are limited and he's effectively learning on the job AND is pitched in to games where 4-5 other players are trying to do the same - they don't fully understand where they should be and how to link together, which makes it difficult for all of them.
Post by: Rigadon on October 06, 2023, 05:03:44 PM
Dendoncker is a player that is better out of possession, than in possession - good at closing people down (albeit not at lightning pace), blocking passing lanes, and covering for others that go forward.
It made sense to bring him in as cover when Stevie G was in charge.
Under Emery, we look to dominate possession and when, like last night, teams are compact and reluctant to press, we typically play through midfield and that requires players comfortable to receive the ball in tight spaces to invite pressure that frees up space. As he demonstrated against Everton, that is really not his game. :o
His opportunities now will be limited. Probably, he will be most useful in closing out games when we are leading. UTV
Yep, bang on.
Post by: AV84 on October 06, 2023, 05:47:26 PM
I don't think Donk would be featuring at all if Buendia and Ramsey weren't injured. Diaby is out now and Bailey missed a few, so all in all, if everyone was fit, I don't think he'd be getting starts anyway, maybe a few subs.
Tielemans, I think, at least looks like he might eventually do something, and the fact he's only been starting in these very disjointed squads, does make it difficult to judge him completely.
I always assume Emery asks specific things off his players, and while it might not be obvious to us, if they're doing what he asks them to do, he'll keep playing them. I assume, for now anyway, Tielemans is doing what's asked of him.
Think back to Dougie's first season or so.
Fans were calling for him to be sent back to City.
I have faith that Unai will get Tielemans into form. The problem is, is that he's not going to be a first choice (Bouba and Dougie have that sewn up), so he's only going to get starts in UECL games - would also have been a starter in the Carabao Cup, but that's gone.
So his opportunities to find form rhythm and a defined role are limited and he's effectively learning on the job AND is pitched in to games where 4-5 other players are trying to do the same - they don't fully understand where they should be and how to link together, which makes it difficult for all of them.
He hasn't looked spectacular in his substitute appearances in the league either, if we're being honest. I'm not saying we should bin him or anything, but like you say he's not going to be first choice, but ideally he should be pushing to be. Like Kamara might not play the Wolves game, so you'd like Tielemans to come in, put in a blinding performance, and make it less than 100% that Kamara walks straight back into the team.
Maybe he will, if that's what happens with the lineup on Sunday. Starting a game with the mostly well settled squad. Might see a different performance.
Post by: Mister E on October 06, 2023, 06:36:13 PM
Dendoncker is the direct rival to Kamara in the team so I still see him getting chances.I hope Tim will soon be the obvious understudy to Kamara.
Post by: brontebilly on October 06, 2023, 07:08:56 PM
Dendoncker is the direct rival to Kamara in the team so I still see him getting chances.I hope Tim will soon be the obvious understudy to Kamara.
His injury has come at an unfortunate time as he would have got plenty of minutes so far this season and we would have moved the Donk onto Everton.
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 06, 2023, 08:19:06 PM
Post by: Beard82 on October 06, 2023, 08:28:02 PM
Was that an option? Could we not have take it and played Chambers there?Dendoncker is the direct rival to Kamara in the team so I still see him getting chances.I hope Tim will soon be the obvious understudy to Kamara.
His injury has come at an unfortunate time as he would have got plenty of minutes so far this season and we would have moved the Donk onto Everton.
Post by: LeeB on October 06, 2023, 08:48:42 PM
I don't think Donk would be featuring at all if Buendia and Ramsey weren't injured. Diaby is out now and Bailey missed a few, so all in all, if everyone was fit, I don't think he'd be getting starts anyway, maybe a few subs.
Tielemans, I think, at least looks like he might eventually do something, and the fact he's only been starting in these very disjointed squads, does make it difficult to judge him completely.
I always assume Emery asks specific things off his players, and while it might not be obvious to us, if they're doing what he asks them to do, he'll keep playing them. I assume, for now anyway, Tielemans is doing what's asked of him.
Think back to Dougie's first season or so.
Fans were calling for him to be sent back to City.
I have faith that Unai will get Tielemans into form. The problem is, is that he's not going to be a first choice (Bouba and Dougie have that sewn up), so he's only going to get starts in UECL games - would also have been a starter in the Carabao Cup, but that's gone.
So his opportunities to find form rhythm and a defined role are limited and he's effectively learning on the job AND is pitched in to games where 4-5 other players are trying to do the same - they don't fully understand where they should be and how to link together, which makes it difficult for all of them.
We don't have to go back that far, only 12 months ago many including myself by the end would've been happy to have seen the back of a good number of our now stellar performers.
I've seen Tielemans run games immaculately before more than once, if he"s still got it in him then there's nobody better than his current manager to find it.
Post by: Ian. on October 06, 2023, 08:54:27 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 06, 2023, 09:06:38 PM
I always had faith in Dougie but I thought Watkins, McGinn and Konsa were not good enough anymore.
Yes, same here.
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 06, 2023, 09:07:50 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 11, 2023, 05:55:48 PM
Youri Tielemans’ long-term Aston Villa future is in big doubt after a fall-out with manager Unai Emery, sources have told Football Insider.
Tielemans, 26, is yet to start a Premier League match for the Midlands giants and is unhappy with his role at Villa Park.
It is believed he is keen to move on in January – even though he has only just joined Aston Villa – due to strained relations with Emery.
The pair have struggled to hit it off and Tielemans has already told his inner circle he wants out at the earliest opportunity.
The Belgium international put pen to paper on a four-year deal in July after leaving Leicester City on a free transfer following their relegation.
But the midfielder’s move has not gone to plan and he is yet to into Emery’s first-choice starting eleven.
Source: Wayne Vasey Football Insiders
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 11, 2023, 06:00:27 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 11, 2023, 06:13:43 PM
wouldnt believe what Football Insider say
Indeed, I'd give more credence to Royston Vasey than Wayne.
Post by: Villafirst on October 11, 2023, 08:03:23 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 11, 2023, 08:18:19 PM
Its been time well spent.
Post by: AV84 on October 11, 2023, 09:01:03 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 11, 2023, 09:04:46 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2023, 09:37:26 PM
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Post by: PaulWinch again on October 11, 2023, 09:51:22 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 11, 2023, 09:55:33 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2023, 10:04:47 PM
Why do people give Football Insider any credibility whatsoever? Clickbait internet bollocks of the highest order. In other entirely coincidental news apparently Footy is back.
Well your first mistake there is the word 'people', suggesting more than one of.
Post by: AV82EC on October 11, 2023, 10:06:43 PM
Why do people give Football Insider any credibility whatsoever? Clickbait internet bollocks of the highest order. In other entirely coincidental news apparently Footy is back.
Well your first mistake there is the word 'people', suggesting more than one of.
In my defence a few people have commented but I was maybe talking in more general terms about FI rather than this specific instance.
Post by: Lsvilla on October 11, 2023, 10:09:41 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 11, 2023, 10:15:43 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2023, 10:50:01 PM
Yeah, I'll believe it when I see it on Football Fancast or GiveMeSport.
Sportsrouter or nothing for me.
Post by: john e on October 11, 2023, 10:50:53 PM
Sell him being someone better in
Post by: Gareth on October 11, 2023, 11:18:49 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2023, 11:21:54 PM
Christ. Three hours back and here we go.
I know. And he announced his return like we needed to really know.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 11, 2023, 11:24:07 PM
Football Insider should be a banned ‘source’ - one of us making up some story would have as much credibility as that site….
SHA is a more credible source than Football Insider.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 11, 2023, 11:30:01 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 11, 2023, 11:47:54 PM
Christ. Three hours back and here we go.
I know. And he announced his return like we needed to really know.
Did he? What a tool.
Post by: PaulTheVillan on October 12, 2023, 08:03:36 AM
IF he has fell out with Emery, I’d say that’s more a question of his attitude rather than Unai’s.
IF he wants out. Let him go.
I suspect it’s all over hyped bollocks.
Post by: Exeter 77 on October 12, 2023, 08:04:28 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 12, 2023, 08:21:08 AM
I can get why Tielenmas is frustrated because he signed thinking he would be in the team but he hasn't made it . I had hoped he would show more character rather than hearing this. YT is an excellent midfielder and can provide some real value to the midfield.
Quite frankly his performance against Everton and Mostar in front of home fans had a lackluster attitude with careless passing and play. He's better than that but needs to show it with aptitude and attitudes. . Perhaps he just struggling to Emery coaching and adapting and he differs in opinion.
Post by: Drummond on October 12, 2023, 08:21:54 AM
Post by: frank black on October 12, 2023, 08:24:07 AM
Post by: Risso on October 12, 2023, 08:58:11 AM
The BBC now report in their news gossip column that he's fallen out with Emery.
I can get why Tielenmas is frustrated because he signed thinking he would be in the team but he hasn't made it . I had hoped he would show more character rather than hearing this. YT is an excellent midfielder and can provide some real value to the midfield.
The BBC rumour page just regurgitate rumours from the nonsense sites like Football Insider, as you well know.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 12, 2023, 09:32:57 AM
Either the news is piecing things together and concluding that because of his comments and he's not playing regularly, that something is wrong, and he must be leaving, or the player or agent has actually stated this.
Or it's been entirely made up by the most notoriously clickbait bullshit site on the internet.
Give it a rest Footy.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on October 12, 2023, 09:58:54 AM
Post by: Stinkin_Thinkin on October 12, 2023, 11:30:39 AM
Post by: Risso on October 12, 2023, 11:34:10 AM
This is the problem teams like Villa have, real quality won't come to Villa to sit on the bench. So unless they're a massive step up and go into the team straight away always going to be problems. building the first eleven is pretty straight forward compared to building a strong bench.
Not sure that's completely true. Before the injury to Mings, there was no guarantee Torres was going to be a guaranteed starter at all.
Post by: Gareth on October 12, 2023, 11:48:45 AM
This is the problem teams like Villa have, real quality won't come to Villa to sit on the bench. So unless they're a massive step up and go into the team straight away always going to be problems. building the first eleven is pretty straight forward compared to building a strong bench.
I disagree, real quality would understand it’s a team game where you have to earn a place in the XI and keep that place by performing.
No player should be happy on the bench & would expect Teilemans to express that at any time & to Unai directly.
But again, let’s not forget this had been reported by the lowest (& most pathetic) of all sources. If you throw a hundred darts at a board you are likely to hit a bullseye 🎯 occasionally. That is football insiders level of credibility
Post by: Paul.S on October 12, 2023, 12:27:36 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 12, 2023, 01:16:27 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 12, 2023, 01:18:41 PM
Either the news is piecing things together and concluding that because of his comments and he's not playing regularly, that something is wrong, and he must be leaving, or the player or agent has actually stated this.
A player may choose to voice his dissatisfaction indirectly in order to pressure a club to obtain better terms for playing time or a contract, although this news was released publicly last month and hasn't been played much since then we can all read between the lines their may have been a fall out.
What could be more of the case is the fall out from YT making comments and Emery having words about that.
I do wish there is a threshold for rumours and that there must be some evidence based for this news. In September at the last international break You're Tielemans made comments. Is this what caused a fall out with Emery?
"The situation is not pleasant. I told the manager that I came to Villa to play. He understands me, but at the moment, he prefers to play with his two midfielders from last season.He told me that soon the matches will come one after the other and I will have more playing time. I know this answer doesn't help me move forward, but what should I do? Whenever I have an opportunity, I want to take it. So far, I have started once, in the Conference League"
Footy it feels like you have come back just to agitate about Tielemans
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 12, 2023, 01:21:05 PM
Ok if look past the speculation then let's us discuss why he hasn't yet made an impression.
We were doing that before you arrived with your distracting football insider rubbish.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 12, 2023, 01:24:56 PM
Post by: Drummond on October 12, 2023, 01:28:11 PM
Well Youri Made the comments and also I wasn't privvy to such talk as was on absence from discussion forum.
So do what everyone else does and read it.
As for him making the comments, how do you know that?!
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on October 12, 2023, 05:01:35 PM
Is it January already??Christ. Three hours back and here we go.
I know. And he announced his return like we needed to really know.
Post by: Mister E on October 12, 2023, 07:20:16 PM
I was massively invested in him coming to Villa but I'm singularly unimpressed with him thus far. Get your shit together, Youri, if only to get Footy off the case.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 12, 2023, 07:32:03 PM
Footy it feels like you have come back just to agitate about Tielemans
Agitation, agitation, agitation, that's what you need,
If you wanna be a pest, and irritate the rest,
Agitation's what you need......if you wanna be a bullshit gossip breaker, yeaahhh!
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 12, 2023, 09:18:10 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 12, 2023, 09:45:23 PM
Footy it feels like you have come back just to agitate about Tielemans
Agitation, agitation, agitation, that's what you need,
If you wanna be a pest, and irritate the rest,
Agitation's what you need......if you wanna be a bullshit gossip breaker, yeaahhh!
No, Rambo B, you're being picky and selective on what I have posted upon return. It's a confirmation bias to further be against me
Indeed, I wrote about Tielemans situation after hearing news via Football Insiders and reported by BBC gossips
However, I have also emphasised the fixtures during the international period and the villa players engaged.
On the relevant Diaby thread, I expressed my delight in Diaby and I find him a joy.
On Watkins' thread, we discussed how effective he is with goals and assists.
I also have expressed disappointment with Zaniolo, preferring Philogene Bidace to have been retained as an attacking option instead of the Italian.
I think you need to play fair.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 12, 2023, 09:51:32 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 21, 2023, 02:23:27 AM
Youri Tielemans: “I have seen suggestions that I have fallen out with the manager. I get sent all of that, I see all of that & I laugh because it’s nonsense. The manager has been really supportive since the start & we’ve got a really good professional relationship so sometimes I really have to bite my tongue..”
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 21, 2023, 07:18:17 AM
And again stating "news" and "football insider" in the same sentence.Tiresome isn’t it, but that’s what Trolls do.
Post by: jwarry on October 21, 2023, 07:49:16 AM
When it became apparent that Youri Tielemans would not be signing a new contract with Leicester City and would be available on a free transfer there was interest from all over the Premier League and Europe.
The Belgium midfielder had consistently been one of Leicester’s best players during his four years at the club so when Aston Villa won the race to sign him last June it was considered to be one of the coups of the summer.
But fast forward four months and it has not been the fairytale beginning the 26-year-old had been hoping for. He is yet to make a Premier League start after eight games of the new season.
That was not, Tielemans said, the proposal that was sold to him by Unai Emery, the Villa head coach, when he agreed to join the club, so he is understandably disappointed. He described the situation as “unpleasant” while away with his country last month but insisted that the rest of his answer was lost in translation and that he is fighting to prove a point at Villa Park.
“Obviously when you sign for a club you want to show yourself. I’m very competitive, I want to start every game and play every minute of every game, and maybe people don’t understand that but I’m that type of guy,” Tielemans says. “I’m very demanding of myself and I know when I do something wrong or when I don’t play well.
“It’s a challenge at the moment not to be starting and not to be playing every minute of every game, and not to be able to help the team as much as I want to. Maybe it came out a bit rudely because of the mistranslation.”
There was no miscommunication as Tielemans explained his difficulties at the club before Villa’s home game against West Ham on Sunday. He admitted that there is disappointment over the lack of playing time but he appeared happy and relaxed as he spoke about enjoying his time at the club. He was also defiant when discussing his challenge to break into the starting XI.
He accepts that this particular task will be a difficult one after Villa’s start to the season. They presently sit fifth in the Premier League, four points off the top, having continued the strong form at the end of last season that earned them a place in the Europa Conference League. And he admits it is taking him time to adjust to his manager’s demands.
“Since the start he [Emery] told me that it’s a process because it’s a different playing style than what I’m used to, especially from last season and the season before,” he explains. “His plan is very clear with the midfielders coming inside and keeping the ball even more so than what I was used to. For him, it’s a totally normal process. He’s not worried at all and he makes me feel like a very important player even though I’m not starting every game. He’s very supportive and helps every player.”
At Leicester, aside from when his form dropped off towards the end of the last campaign, Tielemans was consistently one of the first names on the teamsheet. He was a vital player for Leicester under Brendan Rodgers, with his winner in the 2021 FA Cup final against Chelsea earning him legendary status at the club.
So while Emery may believe his journey at Villa so far is a “normal process”, Tielemans has had to get used to life as a squad player who must try to make an impact off the bench or in midweek European matches.
“It’s a different challenge but I felt like I earned my place at Leicester and that’s what I need to do here. Maybe it takes more time than it took at Leicester but I’ll take that time,” he says. “I’m working really hard and I’m becoming a better player and whenever I get to start showing that [then] I’m sure everyone will be really happy.”
There has not yet been much evidence that Tielemans has improved from the performance level that established him as one of the best midfielders in the Premier League with his displays in Leicester blue. But because of Emery’s intense tutelage, he believes that is the case.
“My technical understanding of the game has definitely improved and at the moment I’m happy because I know I’m progressing well. I feel like I am a better player than I was before joining and I’m just working really hard to get better and better,” he says. “I know I’m progressing well into the system. I know I’m not up there yet with regards to my level because I know I can do much, much better than what I have shown, but with a couple of games in my legs I will get better and better.”
He says he enjoys a strong relationship with his head coach, contrary to reports that the pair do not get along. “I have seen suggestions that I have fallen out with the manager. I get sent all of that, I see all of that and I laugh because it’s nonsense,” he says. “The manager has been really supportive since the start and we’ve got a really good professional relationship so sometimes I really have to bite my tongue.
“People don’t know me; they might get a view of me from a couple of videos they see online and whatever. It doesn’t really bother me [what people say]. But when I see that my family gets questions or if fans hear it and are frustrated, that bothers me because I feel like there’s a negative image of me out there even though I’ve not done anything. I don’t want there to be a negative mood around me because I’m a really positive guy, always laughing, always being happy and that’s who I am. I always try to be positive with my football.”
Positivity becomes more difficult when you are not being given the chance to make an impact on games, but Tielemans dismisses suggestions that he wants to leave in January as “nonsense” and says he has no concerns that a lack of game time could impact his place in Belgium’s Euro 2024 squad next summer.
He has just returned from another international camp, which involved Belgium’s Euro 2024 qualifier against Sweden in Brussels being abandoned at half-time after two football fans were killed in the city centre in a terrorist attack before kick-off. “The fact that it happened before the game, it was surprising it even went ahead, to be honest,” Tielemans says. “Everyone was in the unknown and the game was just going on.
“We didn’t know what had happened until half-time. Even the manager had done his team talk and we were trying to get ready to come out again. It was scary because I had some family inside the stadium and there were some rumours that there were people inside the stadium as well.”
Tielemans was given a rare start this season in that game and is feeling comfortable with his place within the national set-up under head coach Domenico Tedesco. “He knows what my situation is and knows the manager [Emery] is really good because they’ve met before and he likes his playing style,” Tielemans says.
“He’s been looking at my games and he’s not worried because I have the experience and I’m ready, I’m training every session, I’m fit and for him it’s a hopefully that will be soon.”
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 21, 2023, 07:57:25 AM
He hasn’t pulled up any trees by any stretch, but Ive felt in a couple of games the crowd getting a bit over frustrated with him. I don’t think he’s lazy, I think if anything he’s trying too hard. I definitely think some of the lack of patience stem in part from that first interview, so hopefully enough will read that far more positive one.
Thanks for posting.
Post by: Villatillidie25 on October 21, 2023, 08:31:47 AM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 21, 2023, 08:44:40 AM
Post by: Nev on October 21, 2023, 08:57:15 AM
He does look like he's trying too hard but he'll be OK long term I think, we have a Manager who will get the best out of him.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 21, 2023, 09:23:06 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 21, 2023, 09:50:18 AM
Post by: Clampy on October 21, 2023, 10:00:37 AM
The simple answer being stop reading, publishing and linking to Football Insider articles.
People believe it though sadly.
Post by: AV82EC on October 21, 2023, 10:01:50 AM
The simple answer being stop reading, publishing and linking to Football Insider articles.
People believe it though sadly.
People are idiots.
Post by: Smithy on October 21, 2023, 10:33:44 AM
Also, Emery had an almost immediate impact on performances when he came in. If it took that long to get used to "football" surely the other players would have taken time to adjust, too?
I think it's simply a case of him not earning a place in the side yet. In part because the players in his position have been performing really well, and secondly he's not set the world alight when he's actually played. He will get chances before Christmas, through suspensions or injuries, and who knows, with a run of games he might find himself one of our better players by the end of the season. His talent isn't in question, we've just yet to really see it in a Villa shirt.
Post by: AV84 on October 21, 2023, 10:53:22 AM
Now that the player has basically said something similar-ish himself, it doesn't seem like that much of a stretch. I would question just how long we can wait for him to actually get up to speed though.
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2023, 11:06:49 AM
Post by: AV84 on October 21, 2023, 11:29:56 AM
It's a difficult position to be in, I suppose, given the opportunities he's had to start have come in very disjointed lineups. Luiz is, I think, one card away from a suspension, so it's possible he'll get an opportunity soon to start a league game, and it's potentially against Luton or Forrest, so you'd really be looking at that being an ideal opportunity for him to stake his claim.
Post by: brontebilly on October 21, 2023, 11:44:24 AM
The trouble is, he's basically behind Luiz and Kamara for a spot, and while Kamara has the odd dodgy game, those two are very much Unai's preferred central midfield two, in the same way that Watkins and Diaby are the preferred duo up front. Barring an injury (please god no) or a sustained drop in form, he's always going to be a sub in league games, and potential starter in Europe only. He doesn't really seem to have it in him to play in one of the wide places.
Agreed and that was my concern with signing him from the start. Think we should have brought in someone capable of playing on the sides of midfield to cover McGinn and Ramsey. As it is we have no one and Tielemans is competing with our best player. Luiz is one of the best midfielders in the division, it's going to take an injury to give Tielemans a proper run. Tielemans has been better last couple of games but strikes me as kind of guy better cycling down wind.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 21, 2023, 12:19:01 PM
The trouble is, he's basically behind Luiz and Kamara for a spot, and while Kamara has the odd dodgy game, those two are very much Unai's preferred central midfield two, in the same way that Watkins and Diaby are the preferred duo up front. Barring an injury (please god no) or a sustained drop in form, he's always going to be a sub in league games, and potential starter in Europe only. He doesn't really seem to have it in him to play in one of the wide places.
Very true but if he’d continued playing like he did in a couple of the pre season games I think he would have been rotated into the bigger games and played more than he has. Since the season started he’s played like a stand in, so that’s what he is, as you rightly say.
Post by: OCD on October 21, 2023, 02:04:02 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 21, 2023, 02:20:58 PM
The trouble is, he's basically behind Luiz and Kamara for a spot, and while Kamara has the odd dodgy game, those two are very much Unai's preferred central midfield two, in the same way that Watkins and Diaby are the preferred duo up front. Barring an injury (please god no) or a sustained drop in form, he's always going to be a sub in league games, and potential starter in Europe only. He doesn't really seem to have it in him to play in one of the wide places.
Very true but if he’d continued playing like he did in a couple of the pre season games I think he would have been rotated into the bigger games and played more than he has. Since the season started he’s played like a stand in, so that’s what he is, as you rightly say.
An in form Tielemans would fit in a 433 formation so should be considered an alternative for McGinn and Ramsey too.
Hopefully he quickly reaches the point where he is trusted and we can properly rotate a bit more, reducing the risk of burnout of Kamara and Luis.
Post by: SamTheMouse on October 21, 2023, 02:40:38 PM
He'll come good.
Post by: tomd2103 on October 21, 2023, 11:20:11 PM
The trouble is, he's basically behind Luiz and Kamara for a spot, and while Kamara has the odd dodgy game, those two are very much Unai's preferred central midfield two, in the same way that Watkins and Diaby are the preferred duo up front. Barring an injury (please god no) or a sustained drop in form, he's always going to be a sub in league games, and potential starter in Europe only. He doesn't really seem to have it in him to play in one of the wide places.
He must have known that there was a chance he wouldn't be in the first choice pairing to.begin with, unless of course someone sold him.a complete crock during discussions.
Post by: AV84 on October 21, 2023, 11:43:15 PM
He must have known that there was a chance he wouldn't be in the first choice pairing to.begin with, unless of course someone sold him.a complete crock during discussions.
I could be wrong but, again, I think Emery's aim when adding players this summer was that we really wouldn't have a starting 11, bar a handful of players, and there would be a lot more rotation between games and competitions. But between injuries and players not meeting his high standards, we've ended up having to stick with the same 9 or 10 players for league games, and wholesale rotation in the other competitions has been dodgy, at best.
It's not too hard to belive that Tielemans was sold the idea of there being room for several players in similar positions and everyone getting lots of game time, but that's not how things have played out. Although, and he kind of admits it himself, he has a part to play in that too.
Post by: jwarry on October 22, 2023, 06:56:48 AM
Post by: JD on October 22, 2023, 07:03:36 AM
Risso is right, he is behind Kamara and Luiz and when he has had a chance to start he hasn't really taken the opportunity. It's still good as a Villa fan to have someone like Tielemans as a squad player though. It's a sign of how far we have come in the last few years,
Post by: Drummond on October 22, 2023, 08:18:53 AM
He's a talented player taking time to adapt, and it's clear he feels he's learnt a lot in just a few months. I look forward to him coming on strongly after Christmas as we're continuing our challenge for three trophies...
Post by: AV82EC on October 22, 2023, 09:09:49 AM
Agree with that JD. Days gone by he'd have been a shoe-in to start, regardless of performance levels.
He's a talented player taking time to adapt, and it's clear he feels he's learnt a lot in just a few months. I look forward to him coming on strongly after Christmas as we're continuing our challenge for three trophies...
This seems to me the most sensible take on the situation. Emery is an elite coach and it may take some players time to adapt to his methodologies. Our tendency as fans to massively overreact in our analysis to any performance that’s not 100% perfect is imv the issue here.
Post by: astonvilla82 on October 22, 2023, 10:02:21 AM
Reason we massive overreact is because we read or listen to shit in the media, which I try to ignore nowAgree with that JD. Days gone by he'd have been a shoe-in to start, regardless of performance levels.
He's a talented player taking time to adapt, and it's clear he feels he's learnt a lot in just a few months. I look forward to him coming on strongly after Christmas as we're continuing our challenge for three trophies...
This seems to me the most sensible take on the situation. Emery is an elite coach and it may take some players time to adapt to his methodologies. Our tendency as fans to massively overreact in our analysis to any performance that’s not 100% perfect is imv the issue here.
Post by: Mister E on October 22, 2023, 12:18:28 PM
... Tielemans was sold the idea of there being room for several players in similar positions and everyone getting lots of game time, but that's not how things have played out. Although, and he kind of admits it himself, he has a part to play in that too.He has an overwhelmingly large part to play in that! - up his game, become more team-focussed and offer something different. No player has a divine right to play every week, and I'm convinced that when he really gets with the UE programme, he'll be adding some really good value to the squad's success this season.
Post by: Pete3206 on October 22, 2023, 12:28:11 PM
To be honest, I think he's rubbish.
Post by: Zouch Villa on October 22, 2023, 01:28:52 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on October 22, 2023, 04:09:31 PM
Post by: OCD on October 22, 2023, 07:17:49 PM
Post by: brontebilly on October 22, 2023, 07:27:11 PM
An assist for Tielemans in his cameo.
Interesting though that Emery didn't swap Luiz or Kamara for him but put him in as a 10 really. I think he has a lot of impressing to do to get a chance at 6. Two games coming up though.
Post by: Garyth on October 23, 2023, 05:43:30 AM
Interesting though that Emery didn't swap Luiz or Kamara for him but put him in as a 10 really.
I also noted this in the post-match thread. I wonder if Emery is reconsidering how to best utilise him.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 23, 2023, 08:00:14 AM
Interesting though that Emery didn't swap Luiz or Kamara for him but put him in as a 10 really.
I also noted this in the post-match thread. I wonder if Emery is reconsidering how to best utilise him.
I think if the Zaniolo shit is real then he would be used in a more advanced role.
Personallly I think he needs to knuckle down, talent isn't his issue
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2023, 08:03:19 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on October 23, 2023, 08:45:59 AM
Post by: dave shelley on October 23, 2023, 08:49:43 AM
Post by: AV82EC on October 23, 2023, 11:01:31 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on October 23, 2023, 11:02:59 AM
Post by: Risso on October 23, 2023, 11:07:03 AM
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 23, 2023, 11:58:00 AM
Not sure he is suited to a central midfield pairing...
Post by: Brazilian Villain on October 23, 2023, 12:11:08 PM
They weren't actual assists, but it was two of his long passes that led to the penalty and the third goal against Palace, then he set Bailey away for his goal yesterday. He looked delighted with Leon's goal as well.
I also noticed that, looked well pleased after as he ran over to Bailey.
Post by: Garyth on October 26, 2023, 06:27:59 PM
Tielemans coming on for Diaby was interesting - I don’t hate the idea of him in that 10 spot, as it negates some of his physical weaknesses and (potentially) makes use of his passing range. 🤔
Insight! 😂😇😉
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 06:36:26 PM
Tielemans coming on for Diaby was interesting - I don’t hate the idea of him in that 10 spot, as it negates some of his physical weaknesses and (potentially) makes use of his passing range. 🤔
Insight! 😂😇😉
Wonderful !
Great to see a beautiful 1st half performance by Youri. Leads a press and has shown some great ability on the ball.
Emery is coaching us all!
El Maestro!
Post by: AV84 on October 26, 2023, 07:09:01 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 26, 2023, 07:42:19 PM
Post by: Goldenballs on October 26, 2023, 07:44:34 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on October 26, 2023, 07:47:05 PM
Post by: JUAN PABLO on October 26, 2023, 07:48:03 PM
played the whole game and looked like the main man , like the 50 million one Arsenal wanted so bad.
well done Youri
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 26, 2023, 07:49:31 PM
What a performance tonight
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 26, 2023, 07:51:10 PM
Post by: supertom on October 26, 2023, 07:55:04 PM
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on October 26, 2023, 08:01:06 PM
Post by: Risso on October 26, 2023, 08:27:06 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 26, 2023, 08:37:34 PM
Superb tonight, his goal was a lot more difficult than it looked as he had to readjust his feet quickly.
Helps when you're two footed. He made it look relatively easy. Lovely goal and what a slide rule ball in from SJM.
Post by: Matt C on October 26, 2023, 09:32:48 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on October 26, 2023, 09:39:19 PM
He was brilliant tonight.
Post by: Toronto Villa on October 26, 2023, 10:14:29 PM
Post by: AV82EC on October 26, 2023, 10:43:55 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 26, 2023, 10:46:35 PM
Superb tonight, his goal was a lot more difficult than it looked as he had to readjust his feet quickly.
Helps when you're two footed. He made it look relatively easy. Lovely goal and what a slide rule ball in from SJM.
Tonight and the last match, two absolutely magnificent balls from SJM.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 26, 2023, 10:56:02 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 26, 2023, 11:05:52 PM
I haven't seen anything from Tielemans so far to suggest he's anything but committed, but we have a very good midfield without him, so consistency will now be the thing for him.
It's been mentioned before, but modern football is really now a full squad game. More and more players will have to get used to that idea if they want to play at clubs challenging for things at the top level. And as I started the post with, I think Emery is definitely a manager who will convince players to be part of that squad.
Post by: Chris Smith on October 27, 2023, 09:41:52 AM
Post by: OCD on October 27, 2023, 10:58:28 AM
I think we might see the same midfield on Sunday. Tielemans might have just ousted Zaniolo. It will be interesting what happens when JJ returns.
There’s more to come from Zaniolo and Diaby but seeing other new signings starting to adjust and delivering performances, it seems like a matter of time before the others do. Tielemans will be a good option for that position in away games and against the better sides.
It's worth listening to Unai tonight talk about Tielmans. Avoided giving any praise about his performance tonight other than that's the standard required and obviously he's found it difficult to break into an established midfield three. His praise came in the "maturity" Tielmans has shown since joining Villa and not being an arse. As we know, Unai is "demanding" but it looks like we have a player that wants to impress and is prepared to work hard to get his chance.
Subtle message for Duran possibly?
It's been mentioned before, but modern football is really now a full squad game. More and more players will have to get used to that idea if they want to play at clubs challenging for things at the top level. And as I started the post with, I think Emery is definitely a manager who will convince players to be part of that squad.
With players outside of the previously established first XI now starting to step in and perform, it’s re-enforcing the squad and giving us more options as well as a chance to rest players when they need it. And to think, Moreno and Ramsey are on their way back. Our first choice left side.
Post by: chrisw1 on October 27, 2023, 11:05:20 AM
Post by: rooboy316 on October 27, 2023, 12:46:37 PM
Post by: usav on October 27, 2023, 02:27:46 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on October 27, 2023, 03:14:37 PM
The bargain of all bargains.
Pushing him a little further forward certainly worked with the Kamara / Douglas Luiz pairing protecting the space behind him. He looked very dangerous on the ball, pressed at every opportunity, got a fabulous block in near the end & generally played his socks off last night.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 27, 2023, 03:24:56 PM
Post by: Risso on October 27, 2023, 03:42:03 PM
Post by: LukeJames on October 27, 2023, 03:44:17 PM
So that's Longlet, Digne, Bailey and Tielemans all now fully Emery-ed. Who's left? Carlos and Zaniolo?Olsen
Post by: Drummond on October 27, 2023, 04:19:28 PM
So that's Longlet, Digne, Bailey and Tielemans all now fully Emery-ed. Who's left? Carlos and Zaniolo?Olsen
I know he's good, but bloody hell, there are exceptions.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on October 27, 2023, 04:22:38 PM
So that's Longlet, Digne, Bailey and Tielemans all now fully Emery-ed. Who's left? Carlos and Zaniolo?Olsen
I know he's good, but bloody hell, there are exceptions.
Maybe if we all sort of chanted, it would happen.
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Post by: jwarry on October 27, 2023, 05:03:18 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 27, 2023, 05:20:31 PM
The only reason yesterday was a fairly easy ride was because Unai finally realised he can’t risk Olsen upsetting the defence and hey presto it worked. We have a world class keeper who doesn’t need to be rested unless he’s injured
Martinez has played all the Conference games, hasn't he? The one we lost, and the one we barely scraped a win in.
The difference last night was there was only 2 changes in defence, and one change in midfield, from who would normally play. Nothing to do with Olsen's presence or absence.
Post by: Villafirst on October 27, 2023, 05:41:16 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 27, 2023, 08:50:56 PM
Really need to replace Olsen. How did Crystal Palace manage to get Sam Johnstone? He'd be ideal.
One of the goals he conceded at Newcastle last Saturday was Olsenesque, rooted to his 6 yard box as a ball was played through from a wide position.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 27, 2023, 10:59:41 PM
The only reason yesterday was a fairly easy ride was because Unai finally realised he can’t risk Olsen upsetting the defence and hey presto it worked. We have a world class keeper who doesn’t need to be rested unless he’s injured
Martinez has played all the Conference games, hasn't he? The one we lost, and the one we barely scraped a win in.
The difference last night was there was only 2 changes in defence, and one change in midfield, from who would normally play. Nothing to do with Olsen's presence or absence.
There could be no changes in defence, they’re all nervous as kittens when Olsen plays.
Post by: PeterWithesShin on October 27, 2023, 11:02:37 PM
Post by: AV84 on October 27, 2023, 11:10:07 PM
Olsen played in both Hibs games. Emi went off at HT in the away game, Olsen started the home game.
I was talking about the actual Conference games, not the qualifiers. And we won both those games with Olsen in goal.
I fully agree we need a better back up than Olsen but saying the difference in last night's game was Olsen not playing is just plain stupid and unnecessary.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on October 28, 2023, 09:37:55 AM
Olsen did play the whole game at home to Hibs and was particularly scary.
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 12, 2023, 01:20:24 PM
I wonder if he'll be on set plays a bit sharing responsibilities. I'm excited to see him and Luiz unleashed in same team! Let's go!
Post by: Risso on November 12, 2023, 04:08:59 PM
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Post by: rougegorge on November 12, 2023, 05:24:49 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 05:38:45 PM
If Ramsey can get back and stay fit, and we don't have any more major injuries, we have really great midfield options, both as starters and subs, allowing rotation for midweek games too.
Post by: Toronto Villa on November 12, 2023, 05:50:07 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 12, 2023, 05:51:36 PM
Post by: AV84 on November 12, 2023, 06:01:25 PM
There was lot of made up shit about him on social media completely dismissed by what he said himself and by Emery needing to fit in and get used to the system. Don’t believe everything you read online especially by individuals looking to put their own conspiratorial spin on things.
I didn't belive the headlines about him being annoyed here, or at least not the way the press tried to spin it. However, his attitude was in question given how things went at Leicester last season. But as I said, I think he's knuckled down here and seems to be committed to the cause, and credit to him.
Post by: DrGonzo on November 12, 2023, 06:18:35 PM
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Post by: ChicagoLion on November 12, 2023, 07:02:05 PM
Now he is a Villa player.
Post by: Nii Lamptey on November 12, 2023, 10:25:29 PM
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Post by: rooboy316 on November 13, 2023, 09:33:35 AM
Decent+ I would say.
Agree. Deserved his chance on the back of some bright cameos, and did well until he started tiring late on. Keep building on it and we really will have a strong midfield ‘squad’ when Ramsey is back in the fold too.
Post by: paul_e on November 13, 2023, 09:38:43 AM
Emery seems to really like having a few players with that sort of versatility so I can totally see why we were so eager to get him in.
Post by: rooboy316 on November 13, 2023, 09:47:27 AM
He's now the player we hoped we were getting in the summer and I can see him being a bit of a utility option who can step into replace any of Bouba, Doug, JJ or SJM depending on who we're playing, etc. That's not to say he won't start plenty of games, I just think his position in the team will be much more fluid than the rest.
Emery seems to really like having a few players with that sort of versatility so I can totally see why we were so eager to get him in.
Did he play the Bouba role much at Leicester? Doesn’t strike me as a natural position for him, based on barely seeing anything of him til he joined us!
Post by: paul_e on November 13, 2023, 10:15:48 AM
He's now the player we hoped we were getting in the summer and I can see him being a bit of a utility option who can step into replace any of Bouba, Doug, JJ or SJM depending on who we're playing, etc. That's not to say he won't start plenty of games, I just think his position in the team will be much more fluid than the rest.
Emery seems to really like having a few players with that sort of versatility so I can totally see why we were so eager to get him in.
Did he play the Bouba role much at Leicester? Doesn’t strike me as a natural position for him, based on barely seeing anything of him til he joined us!
He's a lot like Luiz in that he could do a job there but it's not really the best way to use him. The reason I think he covers it though is that I can see times where we have him and Doug both sat in there to give us an extra option against teams who are sitting in.
Post by: darren woolley on November 13, 2023, 11:06:24 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 13, 2023, 11:38:07 AM
Post by: Dr Butler on November 13, 2023, 11:54:34 AM
He played well yesterday.
agreed Darren, I thought he was excellent all game.
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Post by: johnc on November 13, 2023, 11:56:51 AM
Post by: London Villan on November 13, 2023, 12:07:55 PM
Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Teliemans and Buendia (eventually) and at a push Zaniolo and Bailey as wide players, isn't a bad place to be in.
Post by: Mister E on November 13, 2023, 12:16:43 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on November 13, 2023, 01:37:43 PM
To be able to pick 4 from:
Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Teliemans and Buendia (eventually) and at a push Zaniolo and Bailey as wide players, isn't a bad place to be in.
As a squad of midfielders there is no better in the league at present - there maybe the odd individual (although struggle to find one better than Mcginn / Luiz at the moment)
Post by: Keeno on November 13, 2023, 04:57:11 PM
To be able to pick 4 from:
Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Teliemans and Buendia (eventually) and at a push Zaniolo and Bailey as wide players, isn't a bad place to be in.
When you look at it like that, its an unreal midfield we have developed over the last few years. Incredible that one of those names was a Steve Bruce signing - but fair play to Lange for the majority of the work done in that time.
Even those like Zaniolo and Bailey who have taken a bit longer to get going are still well recognised across european football and would still get into a lot of squads challenging for European competitions across the top 5 leagues. Not surprising that when you pair that bunch of players with a manager as good as Emery, we are where we are.
Post by: paul_e on November 13, 2023, 07:57:28 PM
To be able to pick 4 from:
Luiz, McGinn, Ramsey, Kamara, Teliemans and Buendia (eventually) and at a push Zaniolo and Bailey as wide players, isn't a bad place to be in.
When you look at it like that, its an unreal midfield we have developed over the last few years. Incredible that one of those names was a Steve Bruce signing - but fair play to Lange for the majority of the work done in that time.
Even those like Zaniolo and Bailey who have taken a bit longer to get going are still well recognised across european football and would still get into a lot of squads challenging for European competitions across the top 5 leagues. Not surprising that when you pair that bunch of players with a manager as good as Emery, we are where we are.
and then behind that lot we have Iroegbunam and Kellyman who both look like top prospects, that's a lot of quality and depth and most of them are young enough that we could keep them as a group for a good few years.
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 13, 2023, 09:59:04 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on November 16, 2023, 12:32:26 AM
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Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 16, 2023, 10:57:24 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 26, 2023, 07:47:02 PM
Post by: Monty on November 26, 2023, 07:47:54 PM
Lovely involvement in the goal. His vision offers us something different, really starting to show class now.
Vision and sharp execution, no messing, released with great timing. He's really starting to show us something.
Post by: AV84 on November 26, 2023, 08:26:47 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on November 26, 2023, 08:29:44 PM
Post by: Risso on November 26, 2023, 08:55:53 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on November 26, 2023, 09:20:53 PM
Post by: Drummond on November 26, 2023, 09:22:05 PM
Yeah but I think that’s because he is always looking for that incisive pass.
In that sense him and Buendia are similar.
Post by: brontebilly on November 26, 2023, 10:13:31 PM
If it’s a like for like replacement for Kamara the Donk has a shout. But who knows what Unai has up his sleeve.
Tielemans will sit next to Luiz I expect. Ramsey, Bailey, McGinn and Watkins. Lovely weight of pass by YT for Watkins goal. Still needs to protect possession a bit better at times for me, Bailey even more so.
Post by: Steve67 on November 26, 2023, 10:18:32 PM
Post by: Dave on November 26, 2023, 10:21:16 PM
Lovely weight of pass by YT for Watkins goal.
There were about four perfect through-balls he played for Bailey as well, and every time he decided he just HAD to cut inside onto his left.
If I were Emery I'd get Bailey to practice first-time, right-footed finishes all week. Or just stick the bugger on the other side.
Post by: Keeno on November 26, 2023, 11:52:58 PM
Good job the suspension is against Bournemouth rather than Arsenal or Man City, not that we should take anyone lightly, but I suspect we will sit with Luiz and Tielemans, McGinn and Ramsey. No way does Dendonker get a start, I reckon Unai would rather start Chambers. It does show that we need a suitable alternative to Bouba though.
I think that's really the only position I'd like to see us add to in Jan. It seems quite likely we move Dendoncker on so a backup for Kamara as a true DM is definitely needed - we're pretty set everywhere else.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on November 26, 2023, 11:54:10 PM
Good job the suspension is against Bournemouth rather than Arsenal or Man City, not that we should take anyone lightly, but I suspect we will sit with Luiz and Tielemans, McGinn and Ramsey. No way does Dendonker get a start, I reckon Unai would rather start Chambers. It does show that we need a suitable alternative to Bouba though.
I think that's really the only position I'd like to see us add to in Jan. It seems quite likely we move Dendoncker on so a backup for Kamara as a true DM is definitely needed - we're pretty set everywhere else.
We are very skimpy at right back.
Post by: Rigadon on November 27, 2023, 09:12:44 AM
Good job the suspension is against Bournemouth rather than Arsenal or Man City, not that we should take anyone lightly, but I suspect we will sit with Luiz and Tielemans, McGinn and Ramsey. No way does Dendonker get a start, I reckon Unai would rather start Chambers. It does show that we need a suitable alternative to Bouba though.
I think that's really the only position I'd like to see us add to in Jan. It seems quite likely we move Dendoncker on so a backup for Kamara as a true DM is definitely needed - we're pretty set everywhere else.
We are very skimpy at right back.
If we lost Watkins or Martinez for a run of games I think that would be really bad news.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 09:38:41 AM
Post by: Dave on November 27, 2023, 09:55:59 AM
The big positive though is that this is the first window I can remember where no one is seriously calling for outright upgrades to our best 11, instead we need squad depth and players to put pressure on the starters in a couple of positions.
It does feel a bit like the last time we were in this sort of position, playing well and with a settled team. Then January comes along, we buy Heskey upsetting the balance of the team and Arsenal go out and get Arshavin and they shoot past us.
So our version of an Arshavin would be good, but the priority is not getting this era's version of Heskey.
Post by: Rigadon on November 27, 2023, 10:00:25 AM
The big positive though is that this is the first window I can remember where no one is seriously calling for outright upgrades to our best 11, instead we need squad depth and players to put pressure on the starters in a couple of positions.
It does feel a bit like the last time we were in this sort of position, playing well and with a settled team. Then January comes along, we buy Heskey upsetting the balance of the team and Arsenal go out and get Arshavin and they shoot past us.
So our version of an Arshavin would be good, but the priority is not getting this era's version of Heskey.
Another reason why it's so amazing to have Emery. There is no way he'd buy 'a Heskey' and even if he did, said Heskey would morph into prime Alan Shearer within weeks of training!
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 10:02:52 AM
The big positive though is that this is the first window I can remember where no one is seriously calling for outright upgrades to our best 11, instead we need squad depth and players to put pressure on the starters in a couple of positions.
It does feel a bit like the last time we were in this sort of position, playing well and with a settled team. Then January comes along, we buy Heskey upsetting the balance of the team and Arsenal go out and get Arshavin and they shoot past us.
So our version of an Arshavin would be good, but the priority is not getting this era's version of Heskey.
I get the comparison and I agree that we need to be careful that anyone coming in now doesn't disrupt things but I trust Emery in the market a lot more than MoN.
Post by: Smithy on November 27, 2023, 10:05:13 AM
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 10:05:57 AM
Youri has really started to impress in recent weeks, which is great. I also imagine Monchi must be licking his lips ahead of January. He's had a few months to get his feet under the table, the team is in the top four making us look far more attractive to prospective players, and we're buying from a position of strength - plus he MUST have some money to spend. I can't imagine we're going to go through January without one or two top class introductions - even if we don't know them well.
That's my feeling/hope as well, Smithy.
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 10:09:12 AM
The big positive though is that this is the first window I can remember where no one is seriously calling for outright upgrades to our best 11, instead we need squad depth and players to put pressure on the starters in a couple of positions.
It does feel a bit like the last time we were in this sort of position, playing well and with a settled team. Then January comes along, we buy Heskey upsetting the balance of the team and Arsenal go out and get Arshavin and they shoot past us.
So our version of an Arshavin would be good, but the priority is not getting this era's version of Heskey.
I get the comparison and I agree that we need to be careful that anyone coming in now doesn't disrupt things but I trust Emery in the market a lot more than MoN.
Exactly Paul. It helps that we're not managed by somebody with a massive hard on for overpriced British players. I also can't see that Emery is going to be straining at the leash to sign 2024's version of Aiden McGeady!
A forwardy type player would be very welcome.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 10:09:29 AM
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 10:22:44 AM
Post by: Rigadon on November 27, 2023, 10:24:12 AM
If we go into January still in the Champions League placings, I really do hope we have a crack at the transfer market. You have to seize the opportunity when it's in front of you, and you don't know what's going to happen to make things harder next year, eg Newcastle really getting going on the spending, or Man U/Chelsea finally stopping being shite.
Yep. This is our chance. Have to go for it full pelt.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on November 27, 2023, 11:31:51 AM
I'd like to see us get the best up and coming youngish goalkeeper that we can get, plus a good specialist right back. The cherry on top would be that number 10 creative player / wide player if we can get a real star. Traore is surely going to be off, Coutinho probably won't play for us again, Bailey is proving to be excellent as a squad player / sub and Zaniolo is only on loan and not really convinced yet so i think there is room, even with Moussa and with Buendia to return.
Post by: OCD on November 27, 2023, 12:10:48 PM
Post by: Mister E on November 27, 2023, 12:15:07 PM
Good job the suspension is against Bournemouth rather than Arsenal or Man City, not that we should take anyone lightly, but I suspect we will sit with Luiz and Tielemans, McGinn and Ramsey. No way does Dendonker get a start, I reckon Unai would rather start Chambers. It does show that we need a suitable alternative to Bouba though.The alternative to Bouba should be Tim; although he needs some game time to get into the Emery eay.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 27, 2023, 12:34:59 PM
Impressed me in both games v Alkmaar. Only 23 but already played over 100 games in Dutch league and played really well for Japan when they won 4-1 away to Germany so he feels like an up and coming full back with similar profile to Cash.
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 01:45:03 PM
Good job the suspension is against Bournemouth rather than Arsenal or Man City, not that we should take anyone lightly, but I suspect we will sit with Luiz and Tielemans, McGinn and Ramsey. No way does Dendonker get a start, I reckon Unai would rather start Chambers. It does show that we need a suitable alternative to Bouba though.The alternative to Bouba should be Tim; although he needs some game time to get into the Emery eay.
Tough call that, we still haven't really seen a lot of him to know if he's up to it long term.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 02:14:16 PM
If we go into January still in the Champions League placings, I really do hope we have a crack at the transfer market. You have to seize the opportunity when it's in front of you, and you don't know what's going to happen to make things harder next year, eg Newcastle really getting going on the spending, or Man U/Chelsea finally stopping being shite.I'm not sure we have the FFP headroom tbh.
Post by: Risso on November 27, 2023, 02:28:49 PM
Post by: Smithy on November 27, 2023, 02:40:57 PM
If we go into January still in the Champions League placings, I really do hope we have a crack at the transfer market. You have to seize the opportunity when it's in front of you, and you don't know what's going to happen to make things harder next year, eg Newcastle really getting going on the spending, or Man U/Chelsea finally stopping being shite.I'm not sure we have the FFP headroom tbh.
I'd love to know what wiggle room we actually have, but my understanding is that the calculations are so complicated these days, with transfers being being amortised over the length of the initial contract, and many transfer fees/wages not being in the public domain, I don't know how we can know - with any degree of certainty - what we do or don't have? I know the club announces losses, but not all of that counts for FFP. I believe they can spend freely on developing the ground and youth facilities, for example.
I'm not sure Monchi is as keen to join us in the summer if he's told we have no FFP wiggle room and that we'll have to sell to buy. That's not a very compelling offer for someone like him?
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 02:41:24 PM
What are you basing that on?Just some stuff I read a while back. The Jack money is off the books now, so the 'net spend' narrative isn't what it was. I think the FFP maths is an awful lot tighter than people realise.
Post by: AV84 on November 27, 2023, 02:52:14 PM
Post by: Garyth on November 27, 2023, 02:55:35 PM
From the official site q&a with Monchi:
“It has been a very complicated and hard-working summer, but I think we should be satisfied with what we have done, as we have kept all the important players plus the arrival of the five,” he added.
“The sales have basically been to balance our FFP, but in most cases we have repurchase options, so I think we have covered our backs. I am happy with the work we have done, and I want to congratulate all the people involved.”
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2023/september/19/Monchi--A-Q-A-with-Villa-s-President-of-Football-Operations/
Post by: Dave on November 27, 2023, 02:56:14 PM
If, in the middle of January we're third and ten points clear of fifth place then I imagine they'll feel more confident about pushing for the Champions League finish / money than if we're sixth and ten points away from fourth.
Plus, there are UK and UEFA FFP rules, and I think the UEFA ones are more strict. So before we'd qualified for Europe we didn't have to worry about the stricter ones, but now we do.
Post by: paul_e on November 27, 2023, 02:59:17 PM
What are you basing that on?Just some stuff I read a while back. The Jack money is off the books now, so the 'net spend' narrative isn't what it was. I think the FFP maths is an awful lot tighter than people realise.
No it isn't the Jack money drops out after this season but I suspect that's why we were happy to add another ~£40m of academy sales in the summer.
Post by: chrisw1 on November 27, 2023, 02:59:25 PM
Post by: Smithy on November 27, 2023, 03:13:28 PM
This is why it's so hard for us to compete with the established CL clubs in terms of squad building. A few free's and a few £30m players and we start to hit FFP limits. It's even easier for the oil clubs that can invent sponsorships and write their own cheques.
Yes, that is true, but at the same time I also think you have to give the owners/club enormous credit for getting us from a team not even good enough to be promoted via the automatic spots to one on the fringes of the Champions league fight in four years, all while NOT breaking the FFP rules (though we apparently went very close in the first 2 years we were up).
The next bit is the biggest, and toughest step to take, and I honestly don't know how we take that step if we don't have any money to spend. Short of selling someone like Dougie for £100m and letting Monchi invest it in four players who we hope will all be brilliant. But that feels extremely risky, and I hope it doesn't come to that. Everyone sells their best players at some point, but I don't want us to be a Brighton where it becomes a regular occurrence. I'm sure Tom Heck is focussed on improving the commercial areas to help with FFP, but I don't think he could have made even a tiny dent by the next transfer window.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 27, 2023, 11:15:31 PM
What are you basing that on?Just some stuff I read a while back. The Jack money is off the books now, so the 'net spend' narrative isn't what it was. I think the FFP maths is an awful lot tighter than people realise.
I think you're right.
There was clearly some method to pretty much selling every promising young player we had on verge of first team squad this season as those type of sales are big pluses for the FFP balance sheet and it was going to be much harder to shift guys like Digne, Bert and Donk so might aswell keep them around with their experience and extra games.
Of course if Emery was desperate to keep one of them allowances would've been made I'm sure but I think he understood the bigger picture.
I think in January we'll see a Zaniolo type deal of loan with option to buy if we make CL and also a Duran type signing.
Post by: SoccerHQ on November 27, 2023, 11:21:55 PM
This is why it's so hard for us to compete with the established CL clubs in terms of squad building. A few free's and a few £30m players and we start to hit FFP limits. It's even easier for the oil clubs that can invent sponsorships and write their own cheques.
Yes, that is true, but at the same time I also think you have to give the owners/club enormous credit for getting us from a team not even good enough to be promoted via the automatic spots to one on the fringes of the Champions league fight in four years, all while NOT breaking the FFP rules (though we apparently went very close in the first 2 years we were up).
The next bit is the biggest, and toughest step to take, and I honestly don't know how we take that step if we don't have any money to spend. Short of selling someone like Dougie for £100m and letting Monchi invest it in four players who we hope will all be brilliant. But that feels extremely risky, and I hope it doesn't come to that. Everyone sells their best players at some point, but I don't want us to be a Brighton where it becomes a regular occurrence. I'm sure Tom Heck is focussed on improving the commercial areas to help with FFP, but I don't think he could have made even a tiny dent by the next transfer window.
Need to get Doug on a new deal a.s.a.p. Probably be end of season but would be a strange time for him to walk out on us if we make CL while he signed a new deal 18 months back when we were in the relegation zone and he wasn't even getting a game. Also back in the Brazil squad.
This is a controversial one as like everyone else I think he's brilliant but if we want a big sale to balance FFP for a year or two I think everything points at Ramsey tbh.
His value will increase once England start calling him up which would've already happened but for injury by all accounts.
He's very good of course. However we've still won all these games without him hardly playing a minute this season and our central midfield unit is fixed for the foreseeable so he isn't playing there again unless we get significant injuries.
Found his niche nicely coming in from the left but not like he's irreplaceable there with how Emery sets up.
We'll see how Monchi adapts the model as the season goes on. At Sevilla it was a fact of life they had to sell homegrown products like Navas and Ramos even when they were winning european titles and finishing top 4.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on November 28, 2023, 06:05:58 AM
Post by: olaftab on November 29, 2023, 09:42:09 AM
Post by: Risso on November 29, 2023, 09:44:45 AM
Not that I’m advocating selling either but selling Dougie/SJM would be similar to selling a homegrown player now as their transfer fees have been written off over the duration of their first contract (I think).
That's not quite how it works, but both of them will have hardly anything left value wise on the balance sheet. McGinn was so cheap that that would have been the case if we'd sold him 6 months after he signed to be honest.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 01, 2023, 07:36:16 AM
Not that I’m advocating selling either but selling Dougie/SJM would be similar to selling a homegrown player now as their transfer fees have been written off over the duration of their first contract (I think).
That's not quite how it works, but both of them will have hardly anything left value wise on the balance sheet. McGinn was so cheap that that would have been the case if we'd sold him 6 months after he signed to be honest.
Oh right, can you expand or correct the below so I finally get it right?
Hypothetically, If a player is signed for £10m on a 5 year deal I thought each year £2m was written off. If his signs new deal in year 6 there is no fee left so effectively when sold it’d be “homegrown” style profit.
Post by: paul_e on December 01, 2023, 07:42:51 AM
So signs for £10m over 5 years. After 3 years value is 4m but signs a new deal over 4 years. From them their value drops by £1m a year until the end of the new contract.
The only way they'd hit zero is if the contract had ended and they were free to leave but then signed a new deal.
Post by: Smithy on December 01, 2023, 09:15:22 AM
That's sort of right but the important bit is that whatever their 'value' is when they sign a new deal gets redistributed over that new deal.
So signs for £10m over 5 years. After 3 years value is 4m but signs a new deal over 4 years. From them their value drops by £1m a year until the end of the new contract.
The only way they'd hit zero is if the contract had ended and they were free to leave but then signed a new deal.
I assume we're talking about the amortisation of their purchase price here, rather than their book value? What you've described sounds like it makes perfect sense, but it also feels like it would be open to abuse by clubs who could extend the contracts of expensive players to improve their FFP numbers in the short-term?
For example, you buy a £100m player on a four-year deal, who costs you £25m a year in FFP terms, but after two years you're in potential FFP trouble; to mitigate that you could give that player a new 5-year contract, and the year-three amortised cost drops from £25m (for the 3rd year of a 4-year deal for a player costing £100m) down to £10m (The 1st year of a five-year deal for a player who now "costs" only £50m).
Or have I got this completely arse-end backwards?
Post by: Risso on December 01, 2023, 09:30:04 AM
Post by: Smithy on December 01, 2023, 09:47:55 AM
That's basically right, yes. But for FFP purposes, you'd assume a new contract is going to mean an uplift in salary as well. And obviously you're going to have that £10m a year coming off for an extra 3 years, so it starts to get a bit like credit card debt.
Oh yes, sorry, I didn't mean it's a way to "cheat" the system entirely, you're just delaying it. The debt is still there. I just meant in the short term, it could be a way to fudge the FFP numbers if you're facing a bad year. Say, for example, you've spent big but you don't qualify for the Champions League for a couple of seasons. I guess it's a loophole in the same way Chelsea were giving out 7-year contracts to keep their annual costs lower (a loophole they are closing). This feels like just another way to achieve the same thing. Albeit much harder, as you'd still have to get the players themselves to agree to take an extended contract (maybe with a release clause incentive?).
I'm way out of my comfort zone here (clearly), it just seems that if a layperson like me can spot a few seemingly obvious loopholes, the clubs themselves must be doing all sorts of stuff like this, and in far more creative ways.
Post by: paul_e on December 01, 2023, 11:05:40 AM
That's sort of right but the important bit is that whatever their 'value' is when they sign a new deal gets redistributed over that new deal.
So signs for £10m over 5 years. After 3 years value is 4m but signs a new deal over 4 years. From them their value drops by £1m a year until the end of the new contract.
The only way they'd hit zero is if the contract had ended and they were free to leave but then signed a new deal.
I assume we're talking about the amortisation of their purchase price here, rather than their book value? What you've described sounds like it makes perfect sense, but it also feels like it would be open to abuse by clubs who could extend the contracts of expensive players to improve their FFP numbers in the short-term?
For example, you buy a £100m player on a four-year deal, who costs you £25m a year in FFP terms, but after two years you're in potential FFP trouble; to mitigate that you could give that player a new 5-year contract, and the year-three amortised cost drops from £25m (for the 3rd year of a 4-year deal for a player costing £100m) down to £10m (The 1st year of a five-year deal for a player who now "costs" only £50m).
Or have I got this completely arse-end backwards?
Yes this is amortisation, and yes it was open to exactly the sort of 'trick' you describe, that's also why Chelsea were offering such long contracts. I suspect it would now be subject to the same rule change that came in because of what Chelsea did that means player costs are now amortised over 5 years at most, regardless of contracts - https://theathletic.com/4647825/2023/06/28/uefa-amortisation-ffp-transfers/
Post by: OCD on December 01, 2023, 11:10:00 AM
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Post by: tomd2103 on December 07, 2023, 12:09:03 AM
That 10 role suits him a lot better. Very composed on the ball. Workrate has been transformed since when he first joined.
Worked really hard tonight and had some great touches.
Post by: KevinGage on December 07, 2023, 12:18:16 AM
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Post by: WarszaVillan on December 07, 2023, 01:28:27 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 07, 2023, 04:18:47 PM
He reminds me of Delph, the way he moves and his flicks and back heels.
Wash your mouth out WV. Don’t ever mention Tielemans in the same sentence as that fucking snake.
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 08, 2023, 01:21:01 AM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2023, 01:56:54 AM
SJM £2.5m
Luiz £15-17m depending what you read
JJ - academy
Amazing really
Post by: andyh on December 08, 2023, 07:38:19 AM
Tielemans, Kamara freeAdd in Kamara - free…..it’s incredible
SJM £2.5m
Luiz £15-17m depending what you read
JJ - academy
Amazing really
Post by: olaftab on December 08, 2023, 07:46:50 AM
Post by: Clampy on December 08, 2023, 07:52:04 AM
Percy wrote recently that Villa's five-man midfield selection cost a total of £17.5m in transfer fees!
It's really good. It's why I don't get why some fans whinge about our net spend.
Post by: olaftab on December 08, 2023, 07:58:09 AM
He reminds me of Delph, the way he slithers and sneaks and back tracks.FIFY.
Post by: paul_e on December 08, 2023, 08:07:57 AM
Percy wrote recently that Villa's five-man midfield selection cost a total of £17.5m in transfer fees!
It's really good. It's why I don't get why some fans whinge about our net spend.
Agreed, if you can form a midfield with that much quality for so little then why does anyone care about net spend, fans all over the country really need to get away from the thinking that bigger fees is better. For me I'd be happy if we settled into a pattern where we only need to actually spend anything in about 1 in 4 windows, that's how you become a sustainable club.
Post by: WarszaVillan on December 08, 2023, 08:22:16 AM
He reminds me of Delph, the way he moves and his flicks and back heels.
Wash your mouth out WV. Don’t ever mention Tielemans in the same sentence as that fucking snake.
There's a bit of Hodge about him as well.
Post by: dr.chekov on December 08, 2023, 08:28:07 AM
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2023, 11:30:23 AM
I think if you don't continually invest, you end up going backwards but thinking that you need to spend massive money is a narrative that Sky have created.
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2023, 11:40:46 AM
Post by: Clampy on December 08, 2023, 11:54:08 AM
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2023, 11:55:55 AM
Post by: Risso on December 08, 2023, 11:56:02 AM
But we're not only only going for freebies. Two of his buys in the summer came to £80m.
I know we didn't, it was just a general point.
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 12:05:51 PM
According to TransferMarket (I know)
Ramsey - €42mil
Tielemans - €20mil
McGinn - €27mil
Luiz - €55mil
Kamara - €30mil
That's €154mil combined, and obviously we know we'd be looking for way more than that value for at least 3 of them.
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2023, 12:09:13 PM
Post by: hipkiss92 on December 08, 2023, 12:27:42 PM
You don't have to spend big, but there's a huge correlation between big spending teams and trophies won. Obviously there are teams that have spent lots without winning anything too. It'd be nice to buck the trend somewhat, but also I wouldn't want to miss out on targets by only going for freebies.
The correlation tends to be more between wage bill and league finish, rather than spend on transfer fees. Makes sense I suppose, fees will have other factors such as who the buying and selling clubs are, length left on contract etc.
Post by: paul_e on December 08, 2023, 12:30:28 PM
What's the midfield worth compared to what we spent on it?
According to TransferMarket (I know)
Ramsey - €42mil
Tielemans - €20mil
McGinn - €27mil
Luiz - €55mil
Kamara - €30mil
That's €154mil combined, and obviously we know we'd be looking for way more than that value for at least 3 of them.
I quite like how they do valuation but, if we're honest, that's about half the true figure it would cost to buy that lot.
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2023, 12:35:18 PM
Post by: taylorsworkrate on December 08, 2023, 12:50:16 PM
Yeh the markers are always going to be prices set by other players. The English “tax” so to speak of a Declan Rice was somewhat levelled out by Chelsea going all in on the likes of Enzo Fernandez or Caicedo. All three in the £100m mark. So when you look at actual performance stats, there is a case that Douglas Luiz is every bit a £100m player. After that I’d say Kamara, French levelled his age is around £70-80m, JJ about the £50-60m when you look at what he’s achieved when fit, Tielemans just below that along with McGinn.
I'm not sure. Who could we replace McGinn with thats as good for 50 million?
Post by: LeeB on December 08, 2023, 12:52:21 PM
Yeh the markers are always going to be prices set by other players. The English “tax” so to speak of a Declan Rice was somewhat levelled out by Chelsea going all in on the likes of Enzo Fernandez or Caicedo. All three in the £100m mark. So when you look at actual performance stats, there is a case that Douglas Luiz is every bit a £100m player. After that I’d say Kamara, French levelled his age is around £70-80m, JJ about the £50-60m when you look at what he’s achieved when fit, Tielemans just below that along with McGinn.
I'm not sure. Who could we replace McGinn with thats as good for 50 million?
I don't think we could replace him with £500m, he has a completely unique skillset
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 08, 2023, 01:03:43 PM
Post by: SamTheMouse on December 08, 2023, 01:06:43 PM
I'm not sure. Who could we replace McGinn with thats as good for 50 million?I don't think we could replace him with £500m, he has a completely unique skillset
He's got the most lucrative arse since that lass on the tennis poster.
Post by: LeeB on December 08, 2023, 01:15:17 PM
I'm not sure. Who could we replace McGinn with thats as good for 50 million?I don't think we could replace him with £500m, he has a completely unique skillset
He's got the most lucrative arse since that lass on the tennis poster.
He's going to start getting harrassed for dates by rap stars at this rate.
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 01:22:24 PM
Brennan Johnson - €48mil
Kai Havertz - €60mil
Ward-Prowse - €38mil
Barnes - €35mil
Gordon - €45mil
JWP is around the same age as McGinn, so a decent comparison. Bit Gordon is the only player there a team might like to have more than McGinn.
Post by: Dave on December 08, 2023, 01:29:17 PM
That site says McGinn is worth €25mil, and we reckon at least double, so €50mil. A quick look through some other squads and
Brennan Johnson - €48mil
Kai Havertz - €60mil
Ward-Prowse - €38mil
Barnes - €35mil
Gordon - €45mil
JWP is around the same age as McGinn, so a decent comparison. Bit Gordon is the only player there a team might like to have more than McGinn.
I think that all of those are more or less what their 2023 transfer fee was, aren't they?
Post by: AV84 on December 08, 2023, 01:47:26 PM
That site says McGinn is worth €25mil, and we reckon at least double, so €50mil. A quick look through some other squads and
Brennan Johnson - €48mil
Kai Havertz - €60mil
Ward-Prowse - €38mil
Barnes - €35mil
Gordon - €45mil
JWP is around the same age as McGinn, so a decent comparison. Bit Gordon is the only player there a team might like to have more than McGinn.
I think that all of those are more or less what their 2023 transfer fee was, aren't they?
Yeah, I'd imagine anyone with a recent transfer has a pretty accurate value on that site. Anyone who hasn't moved for a while involves some guess work.
Post by: Mellin on December 08, 2023, 07:41:09 PM
What's the midfield worth compared to what we spent on it?
According to TransferMarket (I know)
Ramsey - €42mil
Tielemans - €20mil
McGinn - €27mil
Luiz - €55mil
Kamara - €30mil
That's €154mil combined, and obviously we know we'd be looking for way more than that value for at least 3 of them.
I'd welcome a bid at any of those values to see how quickly they'd get rejected out of hand.
Post by: OCD on December 08, 2023, 07:43:28 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on December 08, 2023, 07:45:38 PM
LOL, I mean, jesus christ.
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 08, 2023, 07:52:48 PM
What's the midfield worth compared to what we spent on it?
According to TransferMarket (I know)
Ramsey - €42mil
Tielemans - €20mil
McGinn - €27mil
Luiz - €55mil
Kamara - €30mil
That's €154mil combined, and obviously we know we'd be looking for way more than that value for at least 3 of them.
I'd welcome a bid at any of those values to see how quickly they'd get rejected out of hand.
Yes I’d suggest they are substantially off market value.
Post by: Clampy on December 08, 2023, 08:23:07 PM
McGinn - €27mil
LOL, I mean, jesus christ.
I said on here last season or the season before (when a few people had forgotten how good a player he's been for us and were more concerned about fat shaming him for some childish reason) that we would still get £20m and I got laughed at. Short memories. Glad he's proved you all wrong. He's been outstanding.
Post by: Smithy on December 08, 2023, 08:25:40 PM
McGinn - €27mil
LOL, I mean, jesus christ.
I said on here last season or the season before (when a few people had forgotten how good a player he's been for us and were more concerned about fat shaming him for some childish reason) that we would still get £20m and I got laughed at. Short memories. Glad he's proved you all wrong. He's been outstanding.
I think he suffers due to being Scottish. If he was German, or Spanish, or French, the media would have him as a £100m player. The fact he's a pale Scottish fella with an unconventional running style means he often doesn't "look" like a good player, when he's clearly brilliant.
I still can't believe he only cost £2.5m.
Post by: Clampy on December 08, 2023, 08:30:04 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on December 08, 2023, 08:30:32 PM
I think he suffers due to being Scottish. If he was German, or Spanish, or French, the media would have him as a £100m player. The fact he's a pale Scottish fella with an unconventional running style means he often doesn't "look" like a good player, when he's clearly brilliant.
I still can't believe he only cost £2.5m.
Don't exaggerate, he cost £2.75m.
Post by: eamonn on December 09, 2023, 02:08:54 AM
I remember being at Ipswich not long after we signed him and you could tell then that we'd signed a cracking player. £2.5m was an absolute steal.
All thanks to how Nan's Hair wooed him over dinner at a Brum hotel. Thanks Steve. And thanks the other Steve, for working hard to get Bouba here. The best things both managers did for us cos let's face it, they were dodgy as fook in the dug-out...
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on December 09, 2023, 02:14:08 AM
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2023, 11:18:43 AM
Post by: manic-road on December 10, 2023, 11:29:59 AM
He didn't have the game he did on Wednesday, but that little shuffle, right-left, no-fuss blind throughball to Bailey for the goal is just total class.
Like most of the team he looked knackered but that's no surprise after the effort put in against Manchester City. The manager made great substitutions last night to freshen the midfield up after the work they have put in.
Post by: Footy-Vill on December 10, 2023, 11:38:08 AM
Similarly, Kamara coming off had a look of mystified. But that's just players who want to play.
Emery utilises the subs well and knows how to work the squad.
Dendocker was ok in many respects apart from a shocking pass on his left foot in midfield across the pitch going out if play he generally managed to play his role well.
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 11:39:41 AM
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2023, 11:41:29 AM
And I don't mean in a cruel way! There's an important place for a guy you can bring on in midfield to just fuck shit up. I just thought it was funny.
Post by: Risso on December 10, 2023, 11:43:52 AM
That pass straight out of play, after doing so much good dirty work, was such pure Donkery I burst out laughing.
And I don't mean in a cruel way! There's an important place for a guy you can bring on in midfield to just fuck shit up. I just thought it was funny.
You could see what he was trying to do, just one of those where he wasn't quite on the same wavelength as the intended recipient. I was surprised at how many times Arsenal did something similar to be honest, must have been at least 3 or 4.
Post by: PeterWithe on December 10, 2023, 11:46:30 AM
Post by: Monty on December 10, 2023, 11:50:22 AM
That pass straight out of play, after doing so much good dirty work, was such pure Donkery I burst out laughing.
And I don't mean in a cruel way! There's an important place for a guy you can bring on in midfield to just fuck shit up. I just thought it was funny.
You could see what he was trying to do, just one of those where he wasn't quite on the same wavelength as the intended recipient. I was surprised at how many times Arsenal did something similar to be honest, must have been at least 3 or 4.
Yeah in good positions too, they'd just whomp it out of play.
Honestly, the balls on this Unai Emery. You're 1-0 up in a cage fight of a match against one of the real title-contenders, and you bring on a somewhat embattled midfielder who's made several mistakes in the last year and hasn't had many minutes recently - and it works a charm. The guy's actually a madman.
Post by: AV82EC on December 10, 2023, 12:46:57 PM
That pass straight out of play, after doing so much good dirty work, was such pure Donkery I burst out laughing.
And I don't mean in a cruel way! There's an important place for a guy you can bring on in midfield to just fuck shit up. I just thought it was funny.
You could see what he was trying to do, just one of those where he wasn't quite on the same wavelength as the intended recipient. I was surprised at how many times Arsenal did something similar to be honest, must have been at least 3 or 4.
Yeah in good positions too, they'd just whomp it out of play.
Honestly, the balls on this Unai Emery. You're 1-0 up in a cage fight of a match against one of the real title-contenders, and you bring on a somewhat embattled midfielder who's made several mistakes in the last year and hasn't had many minutes recently - and it works a charm. The guy's actually a madman.
Emery had spotted that we’d lost Havertz making runs in that channel a few times so on came the Donk, Havertz neutralised.
Post by: Villafirst on December 20, 2023, 04:18:22 PM
Post by: eamonn on December 20, 2023, 04:31:09 PM
That pass straight out of play, after doing so much good dirty work, was such pure Donkery I burst out laughing.
And I don't mean in a cruel way! There's an important place for a guy you can bring on in midfield to just fuck shit up. I just thought it was funny.
Pure Donkery!! Pure Mule!
Post by: usav on January 05, 2024, 03:08:11 PM
Post by: Villafirst on January 05, 2024, 03:24:45 PM
Anyone know what his actual injury is? Emery confirmed he is not in the squad tomorrow. He was playing really well when he came off against Arsenal.
I saw a recent injury update from John Townley from the Birmingham Mail. He gave a confusing update saying he has an ankle injury. Then, later in the article he said he's got a calf strain?? He probably knows as much as we do!
Post by: Sexual Ealing on January 05, 2024, 03:27:41 PM
Anyone know what his actual injury is? Emery confirmed he is not in the squad tomorrow. He was playing really well when he came off against Arsenal.
I saw a recent injury update from John Townley from the Birmingham Mail. He gave a confusing update saying he has an ankle injury. Then, later in the article he said he's got a calf strain?? He probably knows as much as we do!
John Townley seems like a nice lad, and I'm sure he's good at what he does, but it seems like the writers at Reach are under so much pressure to turn every tweet they read into a story that what they produce is inevitably, endlessly, total bollocks.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 05, 2024, 03:28:42 PM
Anyone know what his actual injury is? Emery confirmed he is not in the squad tomorrow. He was playing really well when he came off against Arsenal.
I saw a recent injury update from John Townley from the Birmingham Mail. He gave a confusing update saying he has an ankle injury. Then, later in the article he said he's got a calf strain?? He probably knows as much as we do!
John Townley seems like a nice lad, and I'm sure he's good at what he does, but it seems like the writers at Reach are under so much pressure to turn every tweet they read into a story that what they produce is inevitably, endlessly, total bollocks.
Also, poor Dan Rolinson seems to be pressured into putting out a podcast almost every day.
Post by: Risso on January 05, 2024, 04:42:14 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 06, 2024, 09:20:56 PM
Has there genuinely been no update as to where he is?
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 06, 2024, 09:27:05 PM
I hope he's back soon.
Has there genuinely been no update as to where he is?
We need him back. He is the one player who can really unlock a packed defence.
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 06, 2024, 09:57:18 PM
Reason
Calf/Shin/Heel Injury
Further Detail
Dec 22: 'Youri, we are thinking maybe not more than two weeks, but he is now working alone and recovering his injury in his calf.'
Potential Return
14/01/2024
Condition
Currently Being Assessed
Status
25%
TRACK
Post by: ozzjim on January 07, 2024, 09:27:57 AM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on January 12, 2024, 04:49:43 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on January 12, 2024, 04:50:27 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on January 12, 2024, 05:12:13 PM
TFFT.
Toffee F*ckers, F*ck them?
Post by: pauliewalnuts on January 12, 2024, 07:22:38 PM
TFFT.
Toffee F*ckers, F*ck them?
TOFFEES FUNERALLED, FUNERALLED TOFFEES!
Post by: PaulWinch again on January 12, 2024, 08:01:04 PM
Post by: VillaTim on January 12, 2024, 08:03:18 PM
He’s really important, particularly against sides who set out to defend, because he just sees passing opportunities that other players don’t.It's where we also really miss Buendia
Post by: Ads on January 12, 2024, 08:05:38 PM
Post by: Monty on January 14, 2024, 04:14:38 PM
Post by: Dave P on January 14, 2024, 04:15:13 PM
Post by: LeeB on January 14, 2024, 04:18:05 PM
The ref should be forced to watch it on repeat a la Clockwork Orange while Youri simultaneously kicks him in the nuts repeatedly.
Post by: Bad English on January 14, 2024, 05:12:47 PM
Haha! Injured player hero syndrome strikes again.He’s really important, particularly against sides who set out to defend, because he just sees passing opportunities that other players don’t.It's where we also really miss Buendia
Post by: Clampy on January 14, 2024, 05:26:14 PM
That few seconds where he got fouled twice by Coleman then booked for not touching the Everton player was farcical.
The ref should be forced to watch it on repeat a la Clockwork Orange while Youri simultaneously kicks him in the nuts repeatedly.
And why was Moreno booked after he'd been taken out by the corner flag?
Post by: N'ZMAV on January 14, 2024, 05:28:22 PM
Referees haven't a clue lately - clueless pricks.
Post by: Somniloquism on January 14, 2024, 05:36:42 PM
Haha! Injured player hero syndrome strikes again.He’s really important, particularly against sides who set out to defend, because he just sees passing opportunities that other players don’t.It's where we also really miss Buendia
In the first 33 goals this season, he had a direct hand in 11 of them. Some of the assists wouldn't be attributed to him (the shot that bounced off the crossbar, the dummy for Luiz, the defence splitting pass before the pass for the goal) but yes, we do miss the running around the box. Obviously when he didn't do anything, he also sometimes didn't do anything.
Post by: eamonn on January 14, 2024, 06:16:30 PM
Post by: darren woolley on January 16, 2024, 11:49:32 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 03, 2024, 06:04:43 PM
And that set piece routine just before was fantastic!
Post by: usav on February 04, 2024, 03:28:27 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on February 04, 2024, 03:50:44 PM
Post by: Risso on February 04, 2024, 03:52:47 PM
It is no coincidence that his best performances have come when he’s playing behind Watkins in the 10 ot whatever that’s called. Can we please keep him there?
Agreed, I don't think he's got the legs to play further back.
Post by: OCD on February 04, 2024, 05:00:08 PM
Post by: Mister E on February 04, 2024, 05:51:00 PM
Yep, play him in the #10 role and we'll do well.It is no coincidence that his best performances have come when he’s playing behind Watkins in the 10 ot whatever that’s called. Can we please keep him there?Agreed, I don't think he's got the legs to play further back.
Post by: chrisw1 on February 05, 2024, 08:34:29 AM
One of my favourite moments from yesterday's game was how he won the ball in the air to help set us on the way to our third goal.Yes I spotted that too, excellent header and very brave.
Post by: Footy-Vill on February 07, 2024, 09:55:12 PM
Should have gone off at half time.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 07, 2024, 09:55:43 PM
Anonymous and pretty poor v Chelsea tonight.
Should have gone off at half time.
Your pre match prediction worked out well
Post by: nordenvillain on February 07, 2024, 09:56:46 PM
Anonymous and pretty poor v Chelsea tonight.With how many other underperforming players ?
Should have gone off at half time.
Post by: brontebilly on February 07, 2024, 09:57:30 PM
Post by: Martyn Smith on February 07, 2024, 10:00:51 PM
A liability when we don't dominate possession..Can't run or tackle.
I was thinking this. Doesn't dig a good individual performance out of a poor overall team effort. Is good when we're good. Doesn't really drive anything
Post by: Ian. on February 07, 2024, 10:05:10 PM
A liability when we don't dominate possession..Can't run or tackle.
I was thinking this. Doesn't dig a good individual performance out of a poor overall team effort. Is good when we're good. Doesn't really drive anything
When our midfield is so poor like tonight he’s surplus to requirements. That’s probably where little Emi can be better than him in this role. At least he’s a tenacious terrier and gets stuck in if the likes of McGinn and Kamara play badly.
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 07, 2024, 10:07:01 PM
A liability when we don't dominate possession..Can't run or tackle.
I was thinking this. Doesn't dig a good individual performance out of a poor overall team effort. Is good when we're good. Doesn't really drive anything
A passenger living the dream. From what we saw tonight he's no second striker.
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2024, 10:08:24 PM
Post by: AGRIPPA on February 07, 2024, 10:11:45 PM
That was a stinker of a performance, one of the worst individual showings I can recall. Literally didn't do a single thing at even a rudimentary level.
Did you ever see Tommy Craig play???
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 07, 2024, 10:13:03 PM
That was a stinker of a performance, one of the worst individual showings I can recall. Literally didn't do a single thing at even a rudimentary level.
Did you ever see Tommy Craig play???
That's actually quite a good comparison. He was shit too.
Post by: Risso on February 07, 2024, 10:14:20 PM
That was a stinker of a performance, one of the worst individual showings I can recall. Literally didn't do a single thing at even a rudimentary level.
Did you ever see Tommy Craig play???
Not that I recall, too young to remember.
Post by: saint13 on February 07, 2024, 10:18:26 PM
That was a stinker of a performance, one of the worst individual showings I can recall. Literally didn't do a single thing at even a rudimentary level.
Did you ever see Tommy Craig play???
I did. He was dreadful, apart from a brilliant goal in a 1-1 draw at home to Everton.
Post by: taylorsworkrate on February 07, 2024, 10:22:04 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 07, 2024, 10:23:28 PM
Can sort of see why Leicester fans weren't overly disappointed to see him go. When he's bad he is absolutely horrendous.
I thought he was awful tonight, I genuinely forgot he was playing for long stretches, but I do think he's a very talented player.
You are right though, he is definitely one of those "when he's good, he's good, when he's bad, he's absolutely terrible" types.
Post by: Proposition Joe on February 07, 2024, 10:31:26 PM
He was a passenger in the first half because we seemed to not bother with the central midfield and just play it to Moreno and then stand and watch as three Chelsea players crowd him out.
Post by: PaulWinch again on February 07, 2024, 10:35:58 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on February 07, 2024, 10:42:54 PM
Post by: dcdavecollett on February 09, 2024, 01:08:51 AM
YT was contributing absolutely nothing, and Jake needs the game-time to help him get back into the swing, if nothing else.
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2024, 11:10:26 AM
Post by: OCD on February 24, 2024, 01:16:04 PM
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Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on February 24, 2024, 02:34:03 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 24, 2024, 02:37:24 PM
Strange one, he's still living in Quorn according to Eastie. He's had his £650k house on the market for two years now, maybe the garden makeover was part of the plan to finally shift it. Oh and he's still married so gambling problem or serious coke habit.
I think you are missing out on the obvious expenditure in that village.
(https://robertday154.files.wordpress.com/2011/05/p5081934.jpg?w=300)
Post by: Smithy on February 24, 2024, 02:58:12 PM
Strange one, he's still living in Quorn according to Eastie. He's had his £650k house on the market for two years now, maybe the garden makeover was part of the plan to finally shift it. Oh and he's still married so gambling problem or serious coke habit.
Given when he moved, it's entirely possible he hasn't moved his family yet due to kids being in local schools? I actually quite like the fact he has a "normal"-ish house, rather than some mega mansion in a gated community. I expect that will change pretty soon!
It's also possible they don't live here any more and he's just trying to flog it!
Post by: pauliewalnuts on February 24, 2024, 06:50:13 PM
Post by: Stu82 on February 24, 2024, 06:56:36 PM
Is there genuinely a place called Quorn?Yes between Leicester and Loughborough.
Post by: PeterWithe on February 24, 2024, 10:12:20 PM
Is there genuinely a place called Quorn?
Famous for its fox hunt, regularly referenced by PG Wodehouse.
Post by: Exeter 77 on February 24, 2024, 10:13:52 PM
I think Julian Joachim played for them at one point.Is there genuinely a place called Quorn?Yes between Leicester and Loughborough.
Post by: itmustbe_it is! on February 24, 2024, 10:14:46 PM
Is there genuinely a place called Quorn?
Yes, its a nice village, fox hunt notwithstanding
Post by: tricky dicky on February 24, 2024, 10:21:36 PM
Is there genuinely a place called Quorn?Is it still meat free ?
Post by: adrenachrome on February 24, 2024, 10:22:21 PM
Is there genuinely a place called Quorn?
Yes, its a nice village, fox hunt notwithstanding
I there a river there named Cobb?
Post by: eamonn on February 25, 2024, 12:41:05 AM
I think Julian Joachim played for them at one point.Is there genuinely a place called Quorn?Yes between Leicester and Loughborough.
Going vegan meant Jools was still playing football at a decent level in his late 40s!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on February 25, 2024, 12:47:37 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on February 25, 2024, 07:31:31 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on February 25, 2024, 11:35:42 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on February 25, 2024, 11:45:38 AM
Although, after a quick google, I was shocked he only has a maximum of 6 goals in a season. I thought he used to be higher up the scoring tables.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2024, 07:31:10 PM
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 02, 2024, 07:44:26 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 02, 2024, 07:50:48 PM
Poor today. He seems to do well when we’re on top. When we’re not , he’s poor.
When we are poor, it doesn't matter who is up front. Rogers, Watkins and Bailey also disappeared 2nd half.
Post by: aldridgeboy on March 02, 2024, 07:52:18 PM
Poor today. He seems to do well when we’re on top. When we’re not , he’s poor.
When we are poor, it doesn't matter who is up front. Rodgers, Watkins and Bailey also disappeared 2nd half.
Yep, fair comment
Post by: OCD on March 03, 2024, 01:30:18 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 09:23:54 PM
From FFP point of view id rather he was sold than JJ or Luiz
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2024, 09:26:13 PM
Hope we have JJ back next week.
Post by: john e on March 10, 2024, 09:36:22 PM
he might be a decent back up from the bench in certain games but the problem is we are relying on him now from the start in important matches
Post by: Steve67 on March 10, 2024, 09:41:21 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 09:43:58 PM
I think he has been one of the most disappointing signings of the summer. I expected so much more from him. He was pretty shite again today.
From FFP point of view id rather he was sold than JJ or Luiz
He's been exactly like he was in the last 18 months at Leicester.
When on top and dominating he's excellent. When it's a box to box and high intensity game he just can't keep up with the pace at all.
First half I actually thought he was o.k and disappointing Bailey either didn't see him or just refused to pass when we had a decent break midway through the first half.
He was playing very well in the November/December period so was disappointing he got the injury and hasn't really hit the same heights since.
I think he'll be around next season and then get the feeling the plan will be to cash in summer 2025, probably be interest from Saudi Arabia in him so we could make an o.k profit.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 10, 2024, 09:49:14 PM
I think he has been one of the most disappointing signings of the summer. I expected so much more from him. He was pretty shite again today.
From FFP point of view id rather he was sold than JJ or Luiz
He's been exactly like he was in the last 18 months at Leicester.
When on top and dominating he's excellent. When it's a box to box and high intensity game he just can't keep up with the pace at all.
First half I actually thought he was o.k and disappointing Bailey either didn't see him or just refused to pass when we had a decent break midway through the first half.
He was playing very well in the November/December period so was disappointing he got the injury and hasn't really hit the same heights since.
I think he'll be around next season and then get the feeling the plan will be to cash in summer 2025, probably be interest from Saudi Arabia in him so we could make an o.k profit.
Yeah i think thats a fair assessment to be honest. I too think that is the likely period he will be sold off. Really needs to atep up as hw doesnt ahve enough goals or assists
Post by: Risso on March 10, 2024, 09:49:28 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 09:56:15 PM
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 10, 2024, 10:50:13 PM
He offers very little, he is probably paid quite a bit due to being a free transfer & any money we get for him will be pure profit.
Win/win/win
Post by: SoccerHQ on March 10, 2024, 11:09:09 PM
I would sell him in the summer.
He offers very little, he is probably paid quite a bit due to being a free transfer & any money we get for him will be pure profit.
Win/win/win
With Donk also being sold we're going to be very light on CMs going into next season with Kamara not back until probably 2025.
Unless Tim does morph into all round midfield lynchpin but if people are complaining about his performance at Ajax it dosen't suggest to me he's quite ready for CL.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 10, 2024, 11:20:39 PM
I would sell him in the summer.
He offers very little, he is probably paid quite a bit due to being a free transfer & any money we get for him will be pure profit.
Win/win/win
With Donk also being sold we're going to be very light on CMs going into next season with Kamara not back until probably 2025.
Unless Tim does morph into all round midfield lynchpin but if people are complaining about his performance at Ajax it dosen't suggest to me he's quite ready for CL.
Unless some midfielders do better than they did today CL won’t be a concern.
Post by: PhilVill on March 11, 2024, 07:02:02 AM
Post by: ozzjim on March 11, 2024, 08:12:57 AM
We need 2 players in midfield this summer on top of what we have to have some rotation.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 11, 2024, 08:19:54 AM
Post by: Risso on March 11, 2024, 08:23:59 AM
He's only 26, has he had a really bad injury in the past or something, because he's about as mobile as Robert Pires with a walking frame.
Post by: brontebilly on March 11, 2024, 09:08:31 AM
Two of my mates who both go to every Leicester home and away game both warned me his legs had gone. I put that down to bitterness about relegation and losing their best players, but it looks like they're right.
He's only 26, has he had a really bad injury in the past or something, because he's about as mobile as Robert Pires with a walking frame.
Yeah it's hard to believe what we are seeing. It's like his legs are in treacle, runs but gets nowhere close to the man or ball. Another Coutinho. He's had a run of starts now, basically because we have no one else, and performed miserably consistently.
Post by: Drummond on March 11, 2024, 09:34:21 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 11, 2024, 09:40:01 AM
The tactics did not help a few out there Cash Bailey Watkins.
Post by: eamonn on March 11, 2024, 10:04:08 AM
It's strange how he's shit, then fabulous, then shit again.
He's only fabulous when we're playing well as a team and on the front foot. Off the ball he's like Hourihane, pretty much invisible. Conor's work-ethic was better, he was just poor at tracking and tackling.
Really worrying that we have to rely on Tielemans for the next three games. It'll be like playing with 10.5 men and probably why we won't win any of those games.
Post by: john e on March 11, 2024, 10:09:46 AM
It's strange how he's shit, then fabulous, then shit again.
I keep seeing this fabulous thing and how great was in certain games
I reckon it must’ve been 2 games at the most and suddenly he became a must have player,
He played a good ball in for a goal the other day but you can’t live of that
He’s lightweight and his passing is overrated, it’s not good enough for a top for side
Post by: chrisw1 on March 11, 2024, 10:11:36 AM
Two of my mates who both go to every Leicester home and away game both warned me his legs had gone. I put that down to bitterness about relegation and losing their best players, but it looks like they're right.I keep hearing this but I read (or heard) the other day that his running and sprint stats are right up there with the highest in our squad, so I'm not sure if it's true.
He's only 26, has he had a really bad injury in the past or something, because he's about as mobile as Robert Pires with a walking frame.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 11, 2024, 10:13:39 AM
Post by: john e on March 11, 2024, 10:18:09 AM
His passing isn’t overrated in terms of he makes passes that very few players can. But the problem is he does it too infrequently and when he’s not he loses the ball too much.
His through balls are too often underhit
Post by: pablo_picasso on March 11, 2024, 12:41:25 PM
Two of my mates who both go to every Leicester home and away game both warned me his legs had gone. I put that down to bitterness about relegation and losing their best players, but it looks like they're right.I keep hearing this but I read (or heard) the other day that his running and sprint stats are right up there with the highest in our squad, so I'm not sure if it's true.
He's only 26, has he had a really bad injury in the past or something, because he's about as mobile as Robert Pires with a walking frame.
His problem is that he is just so slow...
And he's not particularly strong either so unless we are dominating possession, pinging the ball about for fun, he is a liability...
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on March 11, 2024, 12:42:53 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 21, 2024, 06:34:20 PM
Youri also did an interview.
Quote
Youri Tielemans: “I never regretted my choice (to join Aston Villa). It happens step by step. I know there is a project in place & there is sometimes a period of adaptation. I’ve already worked a lot & I know that I’m reaping the rewards now..”
Post by: Somniloquism on March 21, 2024, 06:38:34 PM
When I think of him at Leicester I think of his shooting and thunder goals. Where has that gone?
He didn't actually score that many at Leicester with 6 being his best return for goals in the league and 21 in 4.5 seasons. His assists are matching his Leicester levels though.
Post by: eamonn on March 21, 2024, 07:42:20 PM
When I think of him at Leicester I think of his shooting and thunder goals. Where has that gone?
I think he was given freer reign at Lesta but if you were a fan and watched him every week, you would have heard similar complaints about how crap off the ball/tubby/slow he had become. A lot of their fans were happy to see him go, believing his attitude stank last season.
Post by: Aldridge Villa on March 21, 2024, 09:14:53 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 21, 2024, 09:30:55 PM
I’ve still no idea whether he’s any good or not.
Tielemans strikes me as having two modes - brilliant and terrible.
Post by: VillaTim on March 21, 2024, 09:49:30 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on March 23, 2024, 10:51:16 AM
Post by: Chris Smith on March 23, 2024, 10:59:03 AM
Post by: KevinGage on March 23, 2024, 11:09:52 AM
But he seems to possess all the upper body strength of Barry Bannan, with a turn of pace that makes Gareth Barry look rapid.
Post by: LeeB on March 23, 2024, 12:18:25 PM
Post by: VILLA MOLE on March 23, 2024, 12:45:45 PM
He's Garry Parker for the Tik Tok generation.
ha ha good old nosey , if ever there was a footballer who doesn’t look like a footballer. but he could bloody play
Post by: Stu82 on March 23, 2024, 12:56:56 PM
He's Garry Parker for the Tik Tok generation.
ha ha good old nosey , if ever there was a footballer who doesn’t look like a footballer. but he could bloody play
Nailed it, really liked Parker such vision, but I think I was quicker than him in my 40s.
Post by: eamonn on March 23, 2024, 12:57:37 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 23, 2024, 02:33:38 PM
He's Garry Parker for the Tik Tok generation.
Daaadd, it's TikTok! :-[
Post by: Martyn Smith on March 23, 2024, 03:04:39 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2024, 04:04:38 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on March 23, 2024, 04:56:52 PM
I don't like the guy, sorry. He's too much of a luxury player. He's all right when we're on top of game but he never gets a shovel out and digs when we're not. He was appalling against West Ham and I was amazed, especially as he was on a yellow, that he wasn't hooked. One for the Callaghan/Ireland/Jenas filesHe played well second half. He’s nothing like Callaghan or Ireland
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 23, 2024, 04:57:50 PM
Captain Youri today for Belgium. Good luck lad and don’t get hurt.
Easy tiger!
(Agreed on the last bit)
Post by: Clampy on March 23, 2024, 05:02:24 PM
I don't like the guy, sorry. He's too much of a luxury player. He's all right when we're on top of game but he never gets a shovel out and digs when we're not. He was appalling against West Ham and I was amazed, especially as he was on a yellow, that he wasn't hooked. One for the Callaghan/Ireland/Jenas filesHe played well second half. He’s nothing like Callaghan or Ireland
Yeah, weird comparison.
Post by: Ian. on March 23, 2024, 05:38:14 PM
I don't like the guy, sorry. He's too much of a luxury player. He's all right when we're on top of game but he never gets a shovel out and digs when we're not. He was appalling against West Ham and I was amazed, especially as he was on a yellow, that he wasn't hooked. One for the Callaghan/Ireland/Jenas files
He’s done far more this season than those players. That’s a poor comparison.
He’s alright, he’s had a few off days, but in general he’s been decent.
Post by: Nev on March 23, 2024, 05:40:14 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 23, 2024, 05:48:23 PM
Captain Youri today for Belgium.
Only his second game as captain of Belgium. The other occasion was also against Ireland.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 23, 2024, 06:04:36 PM
Post by: Mellin on March 23, 2024, 06:22:07 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 23, 2024, 06:22:48 PM
Apparently he's done his ACL.
Not even in jest.
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 26, 2024, 08:24:21 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 26, 2024, 08:34:03 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 26, 2024, 08:41:18 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on March 26, 2024, 08:55:05 PM
Great. He’s scores for his country causing criticism of his form for us.
Ok lets accept 1 goal all season thwn.
Great
Post by: Bad English on March 26, 2024, 08:55:49 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 26, 2024, 08:56:06 PM
Great. He’s scores for his country causing criticism of his form for us.
Ok lets accept 1 goal all season thwn.
Great
Fuck me, what is wrong with you?
Do you even watch our matches? He's had spells where he's done really well for us, and is clearly still settling in.
Post by: Demitri_C on March 26, 2024, 08:59:30 PM
Great. He’s scores for his country causing criticism of his form for us.
Ok lets accept 1 goal all season thwn.
Great
Fuck me, what is wrong with you?
Do you even watch our matches? He's had spells where he's done really well for us, and is clearly still settling in.
What the hells wrong with you? Stop being a baby
Do you not want him to score more goals for us??
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 26, 2024, 09:17:44 PM
Post by: Matt C on March 27, 2024, 01:15:43 AM
Post by: PhilVill on March 27, 2024, 05:43:34 AM
Post by: N'ZMAV on March 27, 2024, 08:14:52 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on March 27, 2024, 08:37:15 AM
Post by: Sexual Ealing on March 27, 2024, 08:41:26 AM
Post by: Monty on March 27, 2024, 09:43:50 AM
Great. He’s scores for his country causing criticism of his form for us.
Ok lets accept 1 goal all season thwn.
Great
McGinn only scored once all last season. He was therefore only half as good as Zaniolo has been this season.
Post by: LeeB on March 27, 2024, 09:47:00 AM
He's got his shortcommings but he's the definition of a 'lovely footballer'.
Post by: eamonn on March 27, 2024, 10:00:00 AM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on March 27, 2024, 10:19:37 AM
Great. He’s scores for his country causing criticism of his form for us.
Ok lets accept 1 goal all season thwn.
Great
Fuck me, what is wrong with you?
Do you even watch our matches? He's had spells where he's done really well for us, and is clearly still settling in.
What the hells wrong with you? Stop being a baby
Do you not want him to score more goals for us??
Yes of course I do, but I'm not going to reach for nonsense like "ok let's accept 1 goal per season, shall we?". He scored a belter for his country, give the guy a break.
Post by: OCD on March 27, 2024, 11:11:52 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on March 27, 2024, 11:26:23 AM
Post by: Drummond on March 27, 2024, 12:36:34 PM
I'll reserve judgement until he does it against a good team.
Very droll.
Post by: simon ward 50 on March 27, 2024, 01:29:12 PM
I'll reserve judgement until he does it against a good team.
Very droll.
;D
Post by: Demitri_C on March 27, 2024, 02:08:54 PM
Great. He’s scores for his country causing criticism of his form for us.
Ok lets accept 1 goal all season thwn.
Great
Fuck me, what is wrong with you?
Do you even watch our matches? He's had spells where he's done really well for us, and is clearly still settling in.
What the hells wrong with you? Stop being a baby
Do you not want him to score more goals for us??
Yes of course I do, but I'm not going to reach for nonsense like "ok let's accept 1 goal per season, shall we?". He scored a belter for his country, give the guy a break.
So why you getting your knickers in a twist 😂 i havent said or criticised his overall game just said i want him to score more goals like he did yesterday. I think he has only scored once this season in league
For leicester he was scoring a lot of goals. Hopefully yesterday gives him the confidence to score more for us. Yesterday can only be a good thing for us and his confidence.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 27, 2024, 03:14:50 PM
Post by: brontebilly on March 28, 2024, 09:51:18 AM
He wasn't scoring many a season for Leicester in the league. His best was 6 (twice) and his worst was 3. Obviously he could score more, but if he is setting some up, I wouldn't say no. Also I'm not sure how many times this season an opposition goal keeper has kicked the ball to him 25 yards out or a midfielder has let him run into the box totally unmarked.
Ah lovely, it was that turncoat pr*ck Rice that YT ran off the back of to score. Rice was in front of YT when he played the ball down towards Lukaku to start with and about 10 yards behind him for the header.
Hopefully Tielemans can kick on for us now. Been very disappointed with him so far.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 28, 2024, 10:54:34 PM
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Post by: Steve67 on March 30, 2024, 09:06:13 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on March 30, 2024, 09:17:57 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on March 30, 2024, 09:18:34 PM
Post by: olaftab on March 30, 2024, 09:31:49 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 30, 2024, 09:38:33 PM
Was good defensively tonight too. Played well overall, as did Douglas Luiz. Be good to get Ramsey back in there with them as well for Wednesday.
As Ramsey wasn't even on the bench tonight, I can't see him being ready for the next game.
Post by: tomd2103 on March 30, 2024, 09:46:24 PM
His best game for us. Passing is sublime.
He is a bit frustrating as he does some sublime things, but then will make a really basic error. Far more good stuff than poor tonight though.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2024, 07:01:59 PM
If he's more advanced I think he'll score.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 11, 2024, 07:05:14 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2024, 07:09:16 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 11, 2024, 09:02:15 PM
Youri made a great challenge in breaking up and attack first half.
Post by: paul_e on April 11, 2024, 09:05:22 PM
I think Emery doesn't trust McGinn back there so has to deploy Tielemans.
Youri made a great challenge in breaking up and attack first half.
Or more likely he wants McGinn higher to press alongside Watkins.
Post by: Dave on April 14, 2024, 09:04:41 PM
Consensus was broadly that playing him deeper as part of a two would screw everything (and maybe it did in one or two of the poor results of the last few weeks) but given he's had to be the one constant in the absence of all of McGinn, DL and Kamara at some point he's played a big, mature part in keeping things together in a way that not many would have thought he was capable of earlier in the season.
Post by: Ian. on April 14, 2024, 09:08:04 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on April 14, 2024, 09:08:19 PM
Post by: Aldridge Villa on April 14, 2024, 09:10:35 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 14, 2024, 09:15:26 PM
Given everyone else is having their thread bumped, little shout out for Youri.
Consensus was broadly that playing him deeper as part of a two would screw everything (and maybe it did in one or two of the poor results of the last few weeks) but given he's had to be the one constant in the absence of all of McGinn, DL and Kamara at some point he's played a big, mature part in keeping things together in a way that not many would have thought he was capable of earlier in the season.
In honestly think it is more luiz and Tielemans as the partnership that has caused some of the problems as both are very similar. Having McGinn in there next to either one of them gives that bit more energy and adds a different style of play.
Post by: KevinGage on April 14, 2024, 09:20:15 PM
Can’t disagree with that Dave. However he still remains a bit of an enigma in my eyes. Good one day, not so good the next.
You can't have a whole team like that. But with the right shape and balance, you can carry one of that ilk.
Carry sounds harsh based on what he did today, but you get the drift.
Wasn't convinced this was a signing we needed to make last summer. And it still looked odd a various times this year when we had a CM who looked like he wasn't comfortable playing CM.
But thankfully Villa have stopped consulting me re transfer advice.
Post by: WarszaVillan on April 15, 2024, 07:06:02 AM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on April 15, 2024, 10:04:38 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on April 15, 2024, 12:00:05 PM
Yep excellent shout. Really influential in the second half. He is very courageous with his passing, he just looks for, and often makes, passes other players wouldn’t think of. It’s higher risk, but it adds massively to our game.Agreed, excellent game by Youri. Very hard working and tenacious too, which I think is a part of his game people underestimate. The versatility of him and McGinn has really dug us out of some holes this season.
Post by: Smithy on April 15, 2024, 12:10:21 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 15, 2024, 01:59:16 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2024, 02:01:32 PM
Absolutely. A millisecond later and Ollie is offside. But it was perfect timing, weight and height to send him away. Tieleman’s vision is at times sublime.
Yep, he'll do something like that and then misplace a five yatd pass just moments later!! Had a good game yesterday and him and McGinn bossed the midfield in the 2nd half.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 03:32:24 PM
https://twitter.com/AVFCOfficial/status/1779797812957597917
Post by: eamonn on April 15, 2024, 03:40:00 PM
I can’t remember a shot like Uri’s we’ve had in the past that’s hit the bar and post. I’m sure it’s happened but nothing readily springs to mind.
Best stonker since Staunton's stanchion-strike at Old Trafford thirty-one springtimes ago.
Post by: LeeB on April 15, 2024, 03:40:43 PM
I can’t remember a shot like Uri’s we’ve had in the past that’s hit the bar and post. I’m sure it’s happened but nothing readily springs to mind.
Best stonker since Staunton's stanchion-strike at Old Trafford thirty-one springtimes ago.
The Stan stonker againts Athletico was a few years after that
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 15, 2024, 03:52:35 PM
I'm still waiting for one of his rocket shots to burst the back of the net. he's obviously saving it for a special occasion. ;)
Post by: VillaTim on April 15, 2024, 04:22:15 PM
Interesting that we looked better without Luiz in there .Absolutely. A millisecond later and Ollie is offside. But it was perfect timing, weight and height to send him away. Tieleman’s vision is at times sublime.
Yep, he'll do something like that and then misplace a five yatd pass just moments later!! Had a good game yesterday and him and McGinn bossed the midfield in the 2nd half.
Post by: Chris Smith on April 15, 2024, 04:32:39 PM
Interesting that we looked better without Luiz in there .Absolutely. A millisecond later and Ollie is offside. But it was perfect timing, weight and height to send him away. Tieleman’s vision is at times sublime.
Yep, he'll do something like that and then misplace a five yatd pass just moments later!! Had a good game yesterday and him and McGinn bossed the midfield in the 2nd half.
Interesting in that the manager found a way to compensate for missing one of our best players.
Post by: tomd2103 on April 15, 2024, 11:32:57 PM
Interesting that we looked better without Luiz in there .Absolutely. A millisecond later and Ollie is offside. But it was perfect timing, weight and height to send him away. Tieleman’s vision is at times sublime.
Yep, he'll do something like that and then misplace a five yatd pass just moments later!! Had a good game yesterday and him and McGinn bossed the midfield in the 2nd half.
Interesting in that the manager found a way to compensate for missing one of our best players.
I did think that though myself in the 2nd half to be fair. We moved the ball a lot quicker and seemed to be a lot more direct, whereas Luiz has a tendency to slow things down a bit.
It worked a treat yesterday, but Luiz obviously brings a lot more to the fane as well.
Post by: Somniloquism on April 15, 2024, 11:51:24 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on April 16, 2024, 12:12:56 AM
I still think it wasn't the absence of Luiz, but the movement of McGinn further back. Luiz and Tielemans in front of the back four are too similar. They both can pass and transition, but both are also slow and not as strong in the tackle. McGinn's arse makes winning the ball back easier or making it harder to break through, and his energy and bustle means a different style of play, making a press on the centre two harder to do.
It's this, completely, me and my brother talk about it tediously. Neither Luiz or Tielemans should ever be the deepest midfielder. I doubted McGinn could play it but he can do it much, much better than those 2.
Post by: London Villan on April 16, 2024, 06:56:44 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on April 16, 2024, 07:28:11 AM
I still think it wasn't the absence of Luiz, but the movement of McGinn further back. Luiz and Tielemans in front of the back four are too similar. They both can pass and transition, but both are also slow and not as strong in the tackle. McGinn's arse makes winning the ball back easier or making it harder to break through, and his energy and bustle means a different style of play, making a press on the centre two harder to do.
It's this, completely, me and my brother talk about it tediously. Neither Luiz or Tielemans should ever be the deepest midfielder. I doubted McGinn could play it but he can do it much, much better than those 2.
Yeah - now McGinn is much better with his positional discipline to go with his many other attributes, he is a better option there. We do lose some attacking weight but seemed better there than Luiz as per above
Post by: ChicagoLion on April 16, 2024, 07:45:58 AM
McGinn is also able to receive the ball in tight situations because of his strength, this allows us to get out of the press when there is little else on.I still think it wasn't the absence of Luiz, but the movement of McGinn further back. Luiz and Tielemans in front of the back four are too similar. They both can pass and transition, but both are also slow and not as strong in the tackle. McGinn's arse makes winning the ball back easier or making it harder to break through, and his energy and bustle means a different style of play, making a press on the centre two harder to do.
It's this, completely, me and my brother talk about it tediously. Neither Luiz or Tielemans should ever be the deepest midfielder. I doubted McGinn could play it but he can do it much, much better than those 2.
Yeah - now McGinn is much better with his positional discipline to go with his many other attributes, he is a better option there. We do lose some attacking weight but seemed better there than Luiz as per above
And rarely gives the ball away.
Tielemans had a major contribution against Arse just as he did against Citeh and various other games.
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 27, 2024, 07:10:05 PM
Post by: pauliewalnuts on April 27, 2024, 07:11:29 PM
Brought forward in anticipation for specific chat on performance this evening v Chelsea.
What is the point in this?
"Bringing forward" a thread in anticipation of a chat about him? Are you going to do that for all starters tonight?
Post by: paul_e on April 27, 2024, 08:27:19 PM
Brought forward in anticipation for specific chat on performance this evening v Chelsea.
Just so you know, we all blame you for this!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 27, 2024, 08:30:16 PM
Brought forward in anticipation for specific chat on performance this evening v Chelsea.
Just so you know, we all blame you for this!
Yep, jinxed him good and proper.
Post by: VillaTim on April 27, 2024, 08:41:12 PM
Brought forward in anticipation for specific chat on performance this evening v Chelsea.Jinxed .
Post by: Flamingo Lane on April 27, 2024, 08:44:54 PM
Post by: Drummond on April 27, 2024, 09:11:32 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on April 28, 2024, 12:24:46 AM
So the thread could be found with ease I thought it would be useful and efficient. It was good intentionsBrought forward in anticipation for specific chat on performance this evening v Chelsea.
What is the point in this?
"Bringing forward" a thread in anticipation of a chat about him? Are you going to do that for all starters tonight?
I had a feeling he would be a talking point and indeed it was.
An injury forced him off. Tielemans had been deployed as a double pivot alongside Luiz.
McGinn was playing the support striker role. Which saw him get in advanced positions
Post by: Ads on April 29, 2024, 12:00:07 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 29, 2024, 12:01:45 PM
Groin issue. No serious damage. Good news.
So might be back when?
Post by: Ads on April 29, 2024, 12:02:20 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on April 29, 2024, 12:04:42 PM
Post by: simboy on April 29, 2024, 12:07:41 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on April 29, 2024, 12:12:52 PM
lets hope it's not JJ or even Grealish "shin-splints" "no serious damage" then.
Don't even think it. Fingers crossed he's okay, another player that had really developed this season under Unai.
Post by: WassallVillain on April 29, 2024, 12:15:38 PM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on April 29, 2024, 03:04:58 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2024, 03:09:32 PM
He looked in serious pain when he went down and had treatment. I thought it was an after effect of Gallagher clattering into the back of him a few minutes earlier. Anyway his removal affected quite badly I felt. Hope he’s fit for Thursday and Sunday
Yep, I said on saturday that I think we suffer more than most teams to losing a player early in the game (especially from more defensive roles) and on saturday it happened twice. Obviously it's impossible to know but I reckon if Emi plays 90 and Tielemans is on for 70+ minutes we win that game.
Post by: David_Nab on April 29, 2024, 03:26:23 PM
He looked in serious pain when he went down and had treatment. I thought it was an after effect of Gallagher clattering into the back of him a few minutes earlier. Anyway his removal affected quite badly I felt. Hope he’s fit for Thursday and Sunday
Yep, I said on saturday that I think we suffer more than most teams to losing a player early in the game (especially from more defensive roles) and on saturday it happened twice. Obviously it's impossible to know but I reckon if Emi plays 90 and Tielemans is on for 70+ minutes we win that game.
At the very least it means you keep Diaby on bench longer and can bring him on fresh legged as an outlet later in the game.
Post by: ExclDawg on April 29, 2024, 03:34:52 PM
Yep, I said on saturday that I think we suffer more than most teams to losing a player early in the game (especially from more defensive roles) and on saturday it happened twice. Obviously it's impossible to know but I reckon if Emi plays 90 and Tielemans is on for 70+ minutes we win that game.Yeah, I thought the same. We were inviting the pressure, but I feel like we were managing it well and they didn't seem like they were going to score easily. But once Youri got hurt, they were more threatening. Emi getting hurt is what really screwed us though. We sort of lost two of our best passers.
Post by: Drummond on April 29, 2024, 05:49:46 PM
Post by: SaddVillan on April 29, 2024, 06:08:23 PM
YOURI TIELEMANS EXPECTED TO MISS NEXT TWO ASTON VILLA GAMES WITH GROIN INJURY
Youri Tielemans is expected to miss the next two games after scans showed a groin injury is not as bad as first feared.
Tielemans, 26, limped off on the half-hour mark during Aston Villa’s 2-2 draw against Chelsea after picking up a groin injury earlier on.
The Belgium international underwent scans on Monday to discover the extent of the injury, with results showing he suffered a hematoma which requires rest.
Although he will likely miss the first leg of the UEFA Conference League semi-final against Olympiacos and the trip to Brighton & Hove Albion on Sunday, it is encouraging news for Villa, given he hopes to play a part in the end of season run in.
The news will also be a boost ahead of this summer’s European Championship in Germany, with Tielemans’ Belgium in Group E with Slovakia, Romania and Ukraine.
The midfielder has become a key cog in Unai Emery’s system this season, making 31 Premier League appearances and registering six assists.
Emery confirmed that Tielemans and goalkeeper Emiliano Martinez — who was withdrawn at half-time in the Chelsea game — were set for scans to determine the extent of their injuries.
Tielemans’ absence will again rely on a depleted bench to make an impact. Moussa Diaby replaced him against Chelsea, with John McGinn moving deeper into central midfield alongside Douglas Luiz.
Emery has had to contend with several injuries this season, including anterior cruciate ligament (ACL) injuries to Emiliano Buendia, Tyrone Mings and Boubacar Kamara.
Post by: eamonn on April 29, 2024, 06:14:50 PM
Post by: VillaTim on April 29, 2024, 06:16:02 PM
Post by: paul_e on April 29, 2024, 06:17:18 PM
Post by: Malandro on May 01, 2024, 06:30:29 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 01, 2024, 06:34:42 PM
What happened to him to result in a groin hematoma during a match? In sport they're usually a result of an impact so did that Gallagher challenge come with an knee to the balls (or near enough)?
It wouldn't surprise me with that clumsy twat.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 03, 2024, 08:11:32 AM
It sounds like he might be back after tomorrow’s game.
It would be great if he was an option for midfield against Brighton or next Thursday
Is he now available again?
Post by: Nii Lamptey on May 03, 2024, 08:21:35 AM
Post by: mike on May 05, 2024, 04:57:05 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 05, 2024, 05:00:10 PM
Post by: mike on May 05, 2024, 05:15:34 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 05, 2024, 05:21:21 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on May 05, 2024, 06:39:39 PM
Any update on Tielemans?
Think it was said it was two weeks so not sure why people were ever expecting him to be in contention for today.
I think we'll see him at Palace if needed. Season over and getting ready for the euros otherwise.
Last time he was injured in December/Jan it took him a few games to get into his stride so he's one who takes a while to get warmed up again after injury aswell.
Post by: mike on May 05, 2024, 07:35:16 PM
Any update on Tielemans?
Think it was said it was two weeks so not sure why people were ever expecting him to be in contention for today.
I think we'll see him at Palace if needed. Season over and getting ready for the euros otherwise.
Last time he was injured in December/Jan it took him a few games to get into his stride so he's one who takes a while to get warmed up again after injury aswell.
I didn’t particularly expect him to be back for today, just hoping we will get him back for Liverpool really. Those predictions on injuries are only ever estimates and we’re due one that clears up more quickly than expected.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 13, 2024, 04:57:29 PM
But is he close enough to start?
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 13, 2024, 05:07:37 PM
I think Tielemans is close.
But is he close enough to start?
When you say “you think” you mean you’re just saying what was said by Emery aren’t you?
Post by: DrGonzo on May 13, 2024, 06:57:09 PM
I think Tielemans is close.
But is he close enough to start?
When you say “you think” you mean you’re just saying what was said by Emery aren’t you?
I think they are taking it day by day.
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2024, 12:19:05 AM
Post by: Keeno on May 14, 2024, 12:39:15 AM
Post by: usav on May 14, 2024, 02:06:04 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2024, 02:08:45 AM
Any update on Tielemans?
He's been a great signing on a free.
Post by: Monty on May 14, 2024, 02:08:56 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on May 14, 2024, 02:55:52 AM
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2024, 06:39:10 AM
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2024, 08:04:26 AM
Post by: Ian. on May 14, 2024, 08:06:19 AM
Post by: AlexAlexCropley on May 14, 2024, 08:09:40 AM
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2024, 08:52:30 AM
Post by: Clampy on May 14, 2024, 08:56:01 AM
I 100% agree he brings a whole different dimension to the team when he is playing well. That said, our two goals last night came from a midfield of SJM and Chambers, with everyone else up front.
We scored three. Can't think who got the first one.
Post by: chrisw1 on May 14, 2024, 08:59:42 AM
Post by: London Villan on May 14, 2024, 09:04:02 AM
I 100% agree he brings a whole different dimension to the team when he is playing well. That said, our two goals last night came from a midfield of SJM and Chambers, with everyone else up front.
We scored three. Can't think who got the first one.
I'm not complaining - he was our best midfielder in the first half - then naturally tired. Just an observation about the ironies of football really. Similar to Diaby close to being taken off, yet created the equaliser and perhaps should have got a winner.
With a midfield containing Teilemans, I'm much more confident of getting at least a point on Sunday.
Post by: caster troy on May 14, 2024, 09:24:15 AM
I was looking at his history in the Champions League, he started a game (against Olympiakos in fact) when he was just 16.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 14, 2024, 02:56:16 PM
If he had been fit for the Euro games we’s be going to Athens again.
If he had been fit for the whole chelsea game I think we would be CL already.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 14, 2024, 02:57:10 PM
Very important player. I hope him getting subbed off was just to save him for Palace away.
Yes, hopefully they thought more then 60 mins was too much after the injury.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 14, 2024, 02:58:17 PM
I 100% agree he brings a whole different dimension to the team when he is playing well. That said, our two goals last night came from a midfield of SJM and Chambers, with everyone else up front.
We scored three. Can't think who got the first one.
Although you could also look that we conceded three on the pitch when he was on it, and none when he went off.....
Post by: VillaTim on May 14, 2024, 03:30:47 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2024, 03:33:06 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2024, 03:34:19 PM
Nope, but an important player who offers stuff that’s unique to the squad.
Agreed, took his goal very well last night.
Post by: Risso on May 14, 2024, 03:36:40 PM
Best midfielder at the club .
Probably on current form he is. Luiz hasn't looked right for weeks. McGinn had a good game last night though.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2024, 03:43:00 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2024, 03:46:27 PM
I think Luiz is the best all round, but you could make a case for Kamara or McGinn. I really like Youri, and think he’s a vital part of the midfield. But he’s slightly lower than the rest for me.
He's the best passer of all of them by miles, and I don't think he's below any of them now he's fully Emery'd up.
Post by: KRS on May 14, 2024, 03:59:00 PM
Post by: Drummond on May 14, 2024, 04:08:05 PM
I think Luiz is the best all round, but you could make a case for Kamara or McGinn. I really like Youri, and think he’s a vital part of the midfield. But he’s slightly lower than the rest for me.
He's the best passer of all of them by miles, and I don't think he's below any of them now he's fully Emery'd up.
Beats arguing about who is least shit as we seem to have done for a while!
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 14, 2024, 04:49:08 PM
I think Luiz is the best all round, but you could make a case for Kamara or McGinn. I really like Youri, and think he’s a vital part of the midfield. But he’s slightly lower than the rest for me.
He's the best passer of all of them by miles, and I don't think he's below any of them now he's fully Emery'd up.
I think he’s the most dynamic passer, one of the things I love about him is he sees and tries things others don’t. He’s got a very creative mindset. But I actually think on form Doug is best all round passer.
As Drummond says though, it’s nice having a debate around who’s the best in a positive sense, rather than who’s the least bad!
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2024, 04:50:47 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 14, 2024, 04:52:53 PM
Just look at his career and what he's achieved . Class player above Luiz for me and Kamara , McGinn is close .Best midfielder at the club .
Probably on current form he is. Luiz hasn't looked right for weeks. McGinn had a good game last night though.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 14, 2024, 04:59:17 PM
Just look at his career and what he's achieved . Class player above Luiz for me and Kamara , McGinn is close .
Hasn't won the Scottish Cup like SJM though.
Post by: LeeB on May 14, 2024, 04:59:40 PM
Post by: nigel on May 14, 2024, 05:29:03 PM
Nope, but an important player who offers stuff that’s unique to the squad.
Agreed, took his goal very well last night.
I thought very Hourihane esque
Strikes the ball very well
Post by: Dogtanian on May 15, 2024, 04:49:04 PM
In fact, his only club he didn't manage to play in it with was Leicester.
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2024, 05:16:55 PM
Post by: Dave on May 15, 2024, 05:48:43 PM
He was too polite in the Sky interview with Meatball not to add "Monaco too!" although didn't their fans take against him?
Think it was more that he didn't really fit in when Jardim came back as manager. Jardim didn't really use him, got fired, Thierry Henry came in, played Youri loads, they brought Jardim back and as he wasn't going to use him they sent him straight to Leicester.
Think their fans just saw a promising, young expensive signing not being used and then being moved on, rather than having anything really against him.
Post by: eamonn on May 15, 2024, 06:30:51 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 15, 2024, 06:40:00 PM
Just look at his career and what he's achieved . Class player above Luiz for me and Kamara , McGinn is close .Best midfielder at the club .
Probably on current form he is. Luiz hasn't looked right for weeks. McGinn had a good game last night though.
Recency bias kicking in there I think. His form improved towards the end of the season, think those goals for Belgium v England gave him a boost. Technical ability has never been in question, fitness and desire more so. Luiz carried our midfield most of the season, gets quickly forgotten.
Post by: Ian. on May 15, 2024, 06:43:55 PM
Just look at his career and what he's achieved . Class player above Luiz for me and Kamara , McGinn is close .Best midfielder at the club .
Probably on current form he is. Luiz hasn't looked right for weeks. McGinn had a good game last night though.
Recency bias kicking in there I think. His form improved towards the end of the season, think those goals for Belgium v England gave him a boost. Technical ability has never been in question, fitness and desire more so. Luiz carried our midfield most of the season, gets quickly forgotten.
Also adapting to the Emery’s vision. Must have been very different to previous coaching.
Post by: Brazilian Villain on May 15, 2024, 06:48:24 PM
Recency bias kicking in there I think. His form improved towards the end of the season, think those goals for Belgium v England gave him a boost. Technical ability has never been in question, fitness and desire more so. Luiz carried our midfield most of the season, gets quickly forgotten.
Also adapting to the Emery’s vision. Must have been very different to previous coaching.
You'd imagine so, his previous coach was Deano at Leicester.
Post by: AV84 on May 15, 2024, 07:38:36 PM
Youri>>>>>Maddison
Early in the season I somewhat jokingly suggested we'd signed the worst Leicester player out of the teams around us. But between Barnes' injuries and Maddison's form diving off a cliff, I think I retract Mt statement.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 15, 2024, 07:50:22 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 17, 2024, 08:58:59 AM
Recency bias kicking in there I think. His form improved towards the end of the season, think those goals for Belgium v England gave him a boost. Technical ability has never been in question, fitness and desire more so. Luiz carried our midfield most of the season, gets quickly forgotten.
Surely Kamara did as him being out coincided the most with Luiz's drop in form. It might have also coincided with Tielemans rise as well as he was allowed to play a bit deeper which might have suited him slightly more.
Post by: Dave on May 17, 2024, 09:13:51 AM
Recency bias kicking in there I think. His form improved towards the end of the season, think those goals for Belgium v England gave him a boost. Technical ability has never been in question, fitness and desire more so. Luiz carried our midfield most of the season, gets quickly forgotten.
Surely Kamara did as him being out coincided the most with Luiz's drop in form. It might have also coincided with Tielemans rise as well as he was allowed to play a bit deeper which might have suited him slightly more.
I reckon it's definitely easier to look like you're playing well. When we had the midfield four of DL - Kamara - McGinn - Tielemans with Bailey and Watkins ahead of them, it was his job to be furthest forward and find through balls and final passes, which is always going to mean you give the ball away more often than not.
Doing the same job thirty yards further back with less pressure and "easier" passes and you're probably going to feel busier and more involved.
Post by: Ads on May 17, 2024, 09:21:31 AM
Post by: Smithy on May 17, 2024, 09:48:46 AM
Recency bias kicking in there I think. His form improved towards the end of the season, think those goals for Belgium v England gave him a boost. Technical ability has never been in question, fitness and desire more so. Luiz carried our midfield most of the season, gets quickly forgotten.
Surely Kamara did as him being out coincided the most with Luiz's drop in form. It might have also coincided with Tielemans rise as well as he was allowed to play a bit deeper which might have suited him slightly more.
That partnership of Kamara and Luiz was really firing, and Doug's form definitely suffered due to not having his regular partner. A friend of mine - a Hibs fan - said after our tie against them, that "Kamara and Luiz could keep the ball off you in a phone box", and he was right, the number of times they played the ball between themselves to create space for one or the other was often overlooked because it wasn't particularly flash.
That said, without that injury, I'm not sure Youri gets the regular run in the side that he's had, and we don't get to see just how good a player we've got on our hands.
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 17, 2024, 09:08:41 AM
No one to have discussed on him all summer on his thread ? and he even played the Euros and he's going to be a big player for us and even pen taker now Luiz has left.
Well Youri Tielemans is now in his second season and think we'll have plenty to talk about so have promoted his cause for discussion because he's out creative force. Has the passing range , ability to create chances and can have some more licence with Onana as pivot in midfield.
Last season 32 matches in the league, 15 sub and 2 goals.
With or without pens expect him to improve his goal tally too.
In 6 seasons YT never scored more than 6 in a season with Leicester. Which he did twice and the other 4 seasons 3 goals each time.
Let's get behind Tielemans!!
Post by: Footy-Vill on August 17, 2024, 09:00:21 PM
Chief creator and lovely corner for Onana.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 04, 2024, 09:59:04 AM
And he's the go to guy now for the indirect free kicks.
I can see him on pen duties if it's not Watkins
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 07, 2024, 09:54:27 AM
Before that hadn't scored since 2022!
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 07, 2024, 10:11:04 AM
Loving Tielemans start to the season. Think he's been very good.
I thought it was a decent deal to get him on a free but was a bit wary given some of his performances towards the end at Leicester. However, he's surpassed my expectations, and I'm looking forward to seeing him and Onana playing together this season.
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 07, 2024, 10:55:14 AM
He has a thunderous shot and excellent passing vision.
He's basically brilliant, so calm on the ball and he is a champions league level player. I enjoy the way he's playing in our system and it is vital for him to stay injury free.
Being the creative spark and set piece taker heres hoping he replicates Douglas contribution of last season.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 07, 2024, 03:35:43 PM
Loving Tielemans start to the season. Think he's been very good.
I thought it was a decent deal to get him on a free but was a bit wary given some of his performances towards the end at Leicester. However, he's surpassed my expectations, and I'm looking forward to seeing him and Onana playing together this season.
Same here, couldn't argue much on a free, now I'd have been happy if we spent a fair few mil getting him in.
Post by: OCD on September 09, 2024, 10:48:03 AM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 13, 2024, 09:25:45 AM
He's becoming a strong favourite of mine as enjoy his football intelligence and is chief creator now Douglas Luiz sadly left
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 14, 2024, 10:30:03 PM
Not like they're just easy five yard sideways passes either, if he sees someone in space in the attacking midfield position he does his best to play it through the lines.
Assumed the control of our tempo effortlessly from Luiz having that role last few years.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 15, 2024, 02:14:20 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 15, 2024, 08:19:07 AM
He’s had a brilliant season so far and arguably our best and most consistent player. Not saying he’s undroppable but he just makes things tick. He’s not as good as Doug but he’s certainly assumed that role of knitting together the three phases of the game. Very impressed with him today.For me our best player today, excellent with the ball and made tackles and interceptions all game.
Second half him and Barkley created the platform in midfield which we won the game from.
Post by: andyh on September 15, 2024, 08:28:05 AM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 15, 2024, 08:30:28 AM
As someone else said, when he’s on it , he is a Rolls Royce of a player.
Yep stepped up yesterday and our best player in my opinion
Post by: ldavfc4eva on September 15, 2024, 08:36:47 AM
But his control, passing range and composure on the ball this season has made me change my mind about him.
Whether it’s because Onana (brick shithouse) has been alongside him for most of the time I don’t know, but even when Barkley came on I thought he looked utterly assured and still dictated the tempo of the game.
Hope it continues as he could be our player of the season
Post by: AV84 on September 15, 2024, 08:43:01 AM
Post by: Mister E on September 15, 2024, 08:47:41 AM
Encouragingly, we didn't seem to miss Onana as much as I've thought we would during that half.
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 15, 2024, 08:55:22 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 15, 2024, 09:23:15 AM
It was like watching us before relegation playing a top team.
An excellent performance from Youri.
Post by: ozzjim on September 15, 2024, 09:24:48 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on September 15, 2024, 09:55:43 PM
https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721 (https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721)
Post by: eamonn on September 15, 2024, 10:15:09 PM
Post by: Richard E on September 15, 2024, 10:16:59 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 15, 2024, 10:44:14 PM
Every player improves significantly under Emery. It’s remarkable.
It really is. There’s a few rough diamonds in the squad too. If they listen then there’s a good chance they’ll dramatically improve.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 16, 2024, 01:32:27 AM
Apparently he made the most accurate passes in a Premier League game so far this season;
https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721 (https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721)
… and one of his few inaccurate ones set up the equaliser.
The best stat I’ve heard about Saturday is that Youri had 15% possession in the game.
Post by: purpletrousers on September 16, 2024, 04:08:17 AM
Apparently he made the most accurate passes in a Premier League game so far this season;
https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721 (https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721)
… and one of his few inaccurate ones set up the equaliser.
The best stat I’ve heard about Saturday is that Youri had 15% possession in the game.
Given Everton only had 27.1% across 90mins, (I think I heard it was 20% at one point?) that’s pretty remarkable if true.
Post by: paul_e on September 16, 2024, 07:18:45 AM
Post by: Smithy on September 16, 2024, 09:10:13 AM
Tielemans and Torres had 27.6% between them according to whoscored.
Now THAT is a stat!
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 16, 2024, 01:01:24 PM
He was superb
Dougie who?
Post by: Villa in Denmark on September 16, 2024, 09:45:41 PM
Apparently he made the most accurate passes in a Premier League game so far this season;
https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721 (https://x.com/WhoScored/status/1835276878577594721)
… and one of his few inaccurate ones set up the equaliser.
The best stat I’ve heard about Saturday is that Youri had 15% possession in the game.
Given Everton only had 27.1% across 90mins, (I think I heard it was 20% at one point?) that’s pretty remarkable if true.
After 10 minutes it was 84%/16%.
Post by: VillaTim on September 16, 2024, 09:57:23 PM
Post by: OCD on September 17, 2024, 12:29:29 AM
Post by: Tayls_7 on September 17, 2024, 08:21:59 AM
Meanwhile Luiz continues to struggle at Juve. Moved to the left at the weekend apparently and looking a shadow of his former self according to the media.
That's a shame.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 17, 2024, 09:06:52 AM
When he signed , it was clear to me he was the Luiz upgrade . He's on another level to Luiz . That ball through for goal 2 to Digne was superb .Yawn.
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 17, 2024, 09:10:05 AM
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2024, 09:16:48 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 17, 2024, 09:19:44 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 17, 2024, 09:23:58 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 17, 2024, 09:25:50 AM
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2024, 09:29:02 AM
Tielemans was bought to replace Luiz, wasn't he? (according to Vidagany or Monchi anyway) so far he's doing a good job, and has more versatility to play further forward too.
He just needs to start add ing a few more goals to his play, he's certainly capable of it.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 17, 2024, 09:30:31 AM
I think it's fair to say that Tielemans is currently playing at a much higher level than Luiz did from January onwards for us. That's not to downplay what Doug did overall in his career for us, but he definitely went off the boil, and it doesn't sound like he's got going at Juvntus yet.It's been mentioned a few times, but Luiz's form dropped when he had to change role and play as the main DM. It would be like playing Watkins on the wing and moaning that he doesn't seem to be playing as well.
Either way, Tielemans is doing really well. But if he was asked to play for a spell as our main DM then it's possible he'd find it tricky too.
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2024, 09:46:19 AM
I think it's fair to say that Tielemans is currently playing at a much higher level than Luiz did from January onwards for us. That's not to downplay what Doug did overall in his career for us, but he definitely went off the boil, and it doesn't sound like he's got going at Juvntus yet.It's been mentioned a few times, but Luiz's form dropped when he had to change role and play as the main DM. It would be like playing Watkins on the wing and moaning that he doesn't seem to be playing as well.
Either way, Tielemans is doing really well. But if he was asked to play for a spell as our main DM then it's possible he'd find it tricky too.
It's not really the same thing at all though. Luiz has played nearly as many games as a defensive midfielder as he has a more conventional midfield role during his career. Even if it's not his preferred position, the drop off in form shouldn't have been that noticeable. With Emery, it shouldn't be that big a difference anyway, as it's not like he plays 4-2-3-1 like Smith and Gerrard did.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 17, 2024, 09:53:35 AM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2024, 09:57:56 AM
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Post by: Risso on September 17, 2024, 10:06:13 AM
Post by: PeterWithe on September 17, 2024, 10:13:21 AM
This isn’t a new interview though is it, she did this one with us?
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2024, 10:16:45 AM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 17, 2024, 10:25:30 AM
Women's tennis is (in my opinion) just as engaging as men's and seems to attract similar interest and sponsorship. I think women's hockey is more entertaining than men's, but unfortunately there's no money in the sport. It's pretty clear to anyone who watches women's football that whilst they play a good standard, it is miles off at the moment. But when the crowds and sponsorship increases, so will their income.
Post by: OCD on September 17, 2024, 12:57:01 PM
Post by: Clark W Griswold on September 17, 2024, 01:07:09 PM
Women's tennis is (in my opinion) just as engaging as men's and seems to attract similar interest and sponsorship.
I'd say for the most part i find women's tennis a lot more 'engaging' than men's but not in the way you were thinking...
Post by: purpletrousers on September 17, 2024, 01:25:21 PM
Tielemans and Torres had 27.6% between them according to whoscored.
Now THAT is a stat!
Has no one nocked up a graphic of this then Villa/Everton/Tielemans and Torres?!
That could be quite a fun/humiliating trend depending on your position.
Post by: Toronto Villa on September 17, 2024, 01:55:43 PM
If you’ve not seen it.
Post by: Neil Hawkes on September 17, 2024, 02:53:05 PM
Post by: Dave P on September 17, 2024, 06:32:01 PM
Post by: Didier Five on September 17, 2024, 08:13:27 PM
Post by: Risso on September 17, 2024, 08:14:55 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on September 17, 2024, 08:34:53 PM
93% Pass accuracy
71 Touches
52/56 Passes completed
11 Passes into final third
6 Ball recoveries
5 Duels won
2 Shots on target
1 Assist
1 Goal
Post by: usav on September 17, 2024, 08:35:20 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on September 17, 2024, 08:36:50 PM
He was magnificent tonight.
Imagine how good he'd be if his legs hadn't "gone" by the time he left Leicester.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 17, 2024, 08:38:52 PM
Youri Tielemans’ stats v FC Young Boys:Great stats.
93% Pass accuracy
71 Touches
52/56 Passes completed
11 Passes into final third
6 Ball recoveries
5 Duels won
2 Shots on target
1 Assist
1 Goal
Post by: Ads on September 17, 2024, 08:42:24 PM
Post by: caster troy on September 17, 2024, 09:06:41 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on September 17, 2024, 09:21:24 PM
Post by: Demitri_C on September 17, 2024, 09:24:26 PM
Post by: rob_bridge on September 17, 2024, 09:41:23 PM
Post by: andyh on September 17, 2024, 09:44:15 PM
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Post by: VillaTim on September 17, 2024, 10:49:51 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 18, 2024, 12:07:29 AM
Had a decent Euros and should have played more and more than comfortable at club level Euros
Wonderful performance.
Fitting our current number 8 scored.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 18, 2024, 08:52:24 AM
Excellent performance, he's having a great season so far.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on September 18, 2024, 09:29:45 AM
Post by: Drummond on September 18, 2024, 09:37:39 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on September 18, 2024, 12:18:37 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 18, 2024, 02:02:56 PM
He may be on big wages but to have got him for no fee was genius
Post by: Ads on September 18, 2024, 07:16:47 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 18, 2024, 07:20:51 PM
Post by: eye digress on September 18, 2024, 10:39:21 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on September 21, 2024, 11:13:25 PM
Absolute quality ball in for Konsa, and then the skill and desire to keep the ball and make the pass to set up the attack for Duran goal is just mighty supreme.
There isn't a better creative midfielder in the league this season in my view. Fantastic impact he's having.
Post by: VillaTim on September 21, 2024, 11:20:35 PM
Post by: olaftab on September 21, 2024, 11:41:31 PM
My word YT was instrumental for the second and third v. WolvesTotally agree with your summary, my friend.
Absolute quality ball in for Konsa, and then the skill and desire to keep the ball and make the pass to set up the attack for Duran goal is just mighty supreme.
There isn't a better creative midfielder in the league this season in my view. Fantastic impact he's having.
Post by: LukeJames on September 22, 2024, 12:42:38 AM
Post by: brontebilly on September 22, 2024, 09:01:27 AM
Those first few games after he first joined when he looked like he could barely pass or get around the pitch are a distant memory. Utter class and I'm convinced he's the reason we were open to Luiz moving on.
You dont have to go far back on this thread to find where the tide turned for YT at Villa Park. As far into March last season, Risso was comparing him to Robert Pires with a walking frame, I thought he was another Coutinho with legs running in treacle. It was around the time Spurs spanked us at Villa Park. The general view then was that you couldnt play YT in a midfield two. Those goals he got v England seem to have been the trigger for improved performances, though I think he played up near Lukaku that night?
It's some turnaround to this season where he has ran our midfield nearly every game so far. He can get the ball out of his feet very quickly and that gives him an extra second on the ball. I thought the chance of him replacing Luiz influence on a weekly basis was remote but certainly proving me wrong! Maybe it's a similar turnaround to Petrov who struggled badly in his first season with us from memory.
Post by: ChicagoLion on September 22, 2024, 09:04:54 AM
Great that he is having a good run of consistency.
Post by: Monty on September 22, 2024, 10:17:57 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 22, 2024, 10:20:17 AM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on September 22, 2024, 10:31:27 AM
Not sure why the surprise, his pedigree hasn't been hidden for years now
He was in a team that was relegated whereas his form now would make that almost impossible. The Emery factor is strong here.
Post by: Risso on September 22, 2024, 10:38:20 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 22, 2024, 10:39:28 AM
He's also been playing in Belgium's best ever team for years and scored a winner in a cup final. His pedigree was never in doubt. The year they went down and won 4-2 at Villa Park he played our midfield off the parkNot sure why the surprise, his pedigree hasn't been hidden for years now
He was in a team that was relegated whereas his form now would make that almost impossible. The Emery factor is strong here.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 23, 2024, 12:03:23 AM
He's also been playing in Belgium's best ever team for years and scored a winner in a cup final. His pedigree was never in doubt. The year they went down and won 4-2 at Villa Park he played our midfield off the parkNot sure why the surprise, his pedigree hasn't been hidden for years now
He was in a team that was relegated whereas his form now would make that almost impossible. The Emery factor is strong here.
I'm pretty sure you have been one of the advocates of not buying from relegated teams.
Post by: VillaTim on September 23, 2024, 12:29:39 AM
No. Always said just be wary. There's a colossal difference between what's on offer e.g. Jan Bednarek or Youri Tielemans.He's also been playing in Belgium's best ever team for years and scored a winner in a cup final. His pedigree was never in doubt. The year they went down and won 4-2 at Villa Park he played our midfield off the parkNot sure why the surprise, his pedigree hasn't been hidden for years now
He was in a team that was relegated whereas his form now would make that almost impossible. The Emery factor is strong here.
I'm pretty sure you have been one of the advocates of not buying from relegated teams.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 23, 2024, 12:30:51 AM
No. Always said just be wary. There's a colossal difference between what's on offer e.g. Jan Bednarek or Youri Tielemans.He's also been playing in Belgium's best ever team for years and scored a winner in a cup final. His pedigree was never in doubt. The year they went down and won 4-2 at Villa Park he played our midfield off the parkNot sure why the surprise, his pedigree hasn't been hidden for years now
He was in a team that was relegated whereas his form now would make that almost impossible. The Emery factor is strong here.
I'm pretty sure you have been one of the advocates of not buying from relegated teams.
No, you have been very clear about it in the past.
Post by: adrenachrome on September 23, 2024, 12:37:33 AM
He was as bad as everybody else the first half and for the first 15 minutes of the second half. Then for whatever reason, whether it was the subs or just waking up, he was back to his pivotal best.
No doubt about it, or sine dubio as we used to say in the Latin.
Post by: Drummond on September 23, 2024, 10:23:19 AM
Those first few games after he first joined when he looked like he could barely pass or get around the pitch are a distant memory. Utter class and I'm convinced he's the reason we were open to Luiz moving on.
There's an interview with Vidagany and Monchi somewhere where they mention that is why we bought him, in advance, as Luiz would move on.
It took him a little while, as I think it does with a lot of players, to get into the groove with Emery's thinking. What is undoubted though, is that if those players have the ability and the attitude, then Emery et al will find it, develop it, and exploit it.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2024, 10:34:24 AM
Post by: darren woolley on September 23, 2024, 11:43:12 AM
Post by: caster troy on September 23, 2024, 11:55:03 AM
Post by: VillaTim on September 23, 2024, 12:41:58 PM
Post by: SoccerHQ on September 23, 2024, 12:46:48 PM
He oozes quality when on the ball.
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 23, 2024, 02:32:51 PM
Martinez
Torres
Tielemans
McGinn
Watkins
Start to support the team with the likes of Buendia / Konsa / Kamara / Bailey / Digne / Ramsay
Then blend in superb youngsters such as Duran / Maatson / Bogarde / Onana / Rogers
There should be no surprise how well we are doing.
Sometimes i think a good many of us dont really appreciate just how good a team we have put together. In Jan or the close season add a world class defender and we are on for a premiership title race.
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on September 23, 2024, 02:49:52 PM
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2024, 03:02:00 PM
The midfield looks far better . Duggie whoYou really think Tim? You've hardly mentioned this. Can you give us some more thoughts on who you think is better out of Tielemans and Luiz?
Post by: VILLA MOLE on September 23, 2024, 03:03:02 PM
I don't agree with McGinn being one of the fundamentals at all.
In fairness he has played out on the right mostly this season which isnt his most effective position
Post by: Hookeysmith on September 23, 2024, 03:04:21 PM
I don't agree with McGinn being one of the fundamentals at all.
I understand if on ability but it is his spirit and energy that has seen us from Championship to now.
He has had poor games, everyone has, but when he is on it he is a heartbeat of our team.
Post by: Risso on September 23, 2024, 03:08:28 PM
I don't agree with McGinn being one of the fundamentals at all.
In fairness he has played out on the right mostly this season which isnt his most effective position
It's where he's played mostly for Villa when everybody has been fit, ie before Kamara had his injury last season. McGinn's not getting a regular central spot ahead of any of Tielemans, Onana, Barkley or Kamara when he's back. He's 5th choice central midfielder, and probably second choice on the wide right, behind Bailey, although this will depend on the opponent and overall balance of the team.
Post by: chrisw1 on September 23, 2024, 03:09:24 PM
I agree. He is often the driving force behind the team and his contribution is more than the sum of it's parts.I don't agree with McGinn being one of the fundamentals at all.
I understand if on ability but it is his spirit and energy that has seen us from Championship to now.
He has had poor games, everyone has, but when he is on it he is a heartbeat of our team.
Post by: adrenachrome on September 24, 2024, 01:16:25 AM
I don't agree with McGinn being one of the fundamentals at all.
You may well have a point, but if the club captain is not one of the fundamentals, at all, then there is a fundamental problem, not to say a major malfunction in the structure.
All is in flux and the centre cannae hold, Jim.
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 02, 2024, 02:30:36 PM
What a midfielder he is.
Post by: darren woolley on October 03, 2024, 09:52:12 AM
Post by: caster troy on October 03, 2024, 11:30:23 AM
Post by: Smithy on October 03, 2024, 12:14:13 PM
Great reaction at the final whistle, he is definitely 'all in' here.
And just before - he was the player who rushed the Kane free-kick and got the deflection to send it for a corner - look at his reaction. 95th minute, and throwing everything into that challenge. I've always though mobility was his only issue, but he was right on it until the whistle went last night. Really good.
Post by: VillaTim on October 03, 2024, 12:38:14 PM
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Post by: Hookeysmith on October 03, 2024, 08:11:40 PM
Post by: VillaTim on October 03, 2024, 09:08:00 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 14, 2024, 11:50:46 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on October 19, 2024, 04:39:45 PM
Fulham haven't got a comparable midfielder in the slightest.
Brilliant player.
Post by: dicedlam on October 20, 2024, 04:42:41 PM
We have no better player in the side at the moment, and would say he is equally just as important to the team as Martinez and Watkins.
Fantastic player.
Post by: Ger Regan on October 20, 2024, 04:52:22 PM
Post by: john e on October 20, 2024, 04:56:20 PM
I thought Tielamans and Barkley would be the weak links and not step up to fill Dougs shoes and they both have when called on
I also though Philogene would offer more than Diaby and be a standout for us this season and so far he’s not
The squad is the strongest we’ve ever had since the time where football became a squad game and not just relying on 14 players
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 20, 2024, 05:14:28 PM
Really enjoying watching him.
Post by: Somniloquism on October 20, 2024, 05:26:01 PM
Sorry, I can't have this guy falling off the main page.
We have no better player in the side at the moment, and would say he is equally just as important to the team as Martinez and Watkins.
Fantastic player.
Shows how strong our squad is when we can't keep all the first team on page 1.
Post by: OCD on October 20, 2024, 09:56:50 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 21, 2024, 03:27:07 AM
Anon, H&V.
Post by: Risso on October 21, 2024, 08:18:36 AM
“Nobody in their right mind would say we’ve upgraded our midfield this summer”.
Anon, H&V.
I don't agree with it, but I don't think it's that outlandish a statement. I guess whoever said it was probably a big Luiz fan and so that comes down to whether you think Onana will be better in the long run or not. And of course Barrenechea was sent out on loan so is of no help to us this season.
Why it's wrong though is the presence of Barkley. He's such a good option to bring off the bench to see out games, but I also think he'll be useful starting games as the season progresses. He's a really good all rounder and can sit in front of the defence or play a more attacking role. Great bit of business as it turns out.
Post by: paul_e on October 21, 2024, 08:54:40 AM
On topic Tielemans has been superb, he was a good distributor in there last season but he seemed to struggle with the more physical aspects, I don't know what's changed this season but he seems much more at ease with being pressed.
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2024, 09:05:10 AM
On topic Tielemans has been superb, he was a good distributor in there last season but he seemed to struggle with the more physical aspects, I don't know what's changed this season but he seems much more at ease with being pressed.
I can't think of any team in the league that has so many players comfortable at collecting the ball facing their own goal and just turning away from one or two players and then running 15-20 yards with it, taking those players out of the game.
Tielemans, McGinn, Rogers, Watkins, Ramsey, Barkley - it nearly always seems to be the thing that moves us from defence to attack and it works so well.
Post by: eamonn on October 21, 2024, 10:09:54 AM
Post by: eye digress on October 21, 2024, 11:01:16 AM
As I've said a few times now I think the midfield is better balanced and has more depth despite losing a very good player in there. Barkley is the only surprise for me, he's a far more mature player now than he was with us last time and by not feeling the need to be the main man in there all the time he's much more effective. He also seems to have accepted that he's not going to start all that often, which was my biggest worry.He’s not starting right now, but then only Onana of the newbies has started much from the get-go. It seems that Barkley has been tasked with learning the role for now, although I think that depending on the situation with injuries and fatigue, he’ll be starting more regularly in the second half of the season - much like Tielemans last year.
Post by: brontebilly on October 21, 2024, 11:04:50 AM
have to say my pre season worries and predictions are looking woeful at the moment
I thought Tielamans and Barkley would be the weak links and not step up to fill Dougs shoes and they both have when called on
I also though Philogene would offer more than Diaby and be a standout for us this season and so far he’s not
The squad is the strongest we’ve ever had since the time where football became a squad game and not just relying on 14 players
I'm the same, I really didn't think Tielemans would be able to play consistently in a 2 for us. Been our best player so far this season and is back showing his best form since his peak days at Leicester. I thought we would miss Luiz hugely but no evidence so far.
Post by: darren woolley on October 21, 2024, 11:17:11 AM
Post by: Dave on October 21, 2024, 11:23:14 AM
have to say my pre season worries and predictions are looking woeful at the moment
I thought Tielamans and Barkley would be the weak links and not step up to fill Dougs shoes and they both have when called on
I also though Philogene would offer more than Diaby and be a standout for us this season and so far he’s not
The squad is the strongest we’ve ever had since the time where football became a squad game and not just relying on 14 players
I'm the same, I really didn't think Tielemans would be able to play consistently in a 2 for us. Been our best player so far this season and is back showing his best form since his peak days at Leicester. I thought we would miss Luiz hugely but no evidence so far.
I think the making of him in his current role was that win against Arsenal last April.
I'd have always been relatively confident of him holding his own with a Kamara / Onana next to him to hold his hand, but going there with a midfield two of McGinn and Tielemans and bossing it is very impressive.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on October 21, 2024, 11:35:05 AM
Post by: Rigadon on October 21, 2024, 12:04:47 PM
As I've said a few times now I think the midfield is better balanced and has more depth despite losing a very good player in there. Barkley is the only surprise for me, he's a far more mature player now than he was with us last time and by not feeling the need to be the main man in there all the time he's much more effective. He also seems to have accepted that he's not going to start all that often, which was my biggest worry.
On topic Tielemans has been superb, he was a good distributor in there last season but he seemed to struggle with the more physical aspects, I don't know what's changed this season but he seems much more at ease with being pressed.
Agree with all of that. I've really enjoyed watching Tielemans this season - his forward passing in particular has been outrageously good, which negates not having Luiz, whose use of the ball to slip forward runners in was probably his main attribute (and a fine one at that). That and scoring direct from Corners!
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 21, 2024, 02:50:35 PM
A superb player
Post by: Ger Regan on October 21, 2024, 09:50:18 PM
Post by: Flamingo Lane on October 21, 2024, 10:56:16 PM
As good as he's been, if I'm being selfish I'd like a few more goals from him
That's what my dad used to say about Dennis Mortimer.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 01:52:11 AM
As good as he's been, if I'm being selfish I'd like a few more goals from him
That's what my dad used to say about Dennis Mortimer.
If you didn’t see Dennis play, or can’t remember how great he was, the full game of the 1977 League Cup Final 2nd replay is on YouTube now. I watched it the other day and it was a great reminder of how brilliant a player DM was.
Post by: Chap on October 22, 2024, 04:34:48 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on October 22, 2024, 05:08:20 AM
And sadly not recognised at international level.🥲
Watching that game back really brings home what a ridiculous load of bollocks that was.
Great to see Cropley and Cowans in the same team as well. Even with the pair of them put together, I’ve seen more fat on a butcher’s apron.
The 81/82 boys were a better team (just), but my God that ‘77 team were magic to watch.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on October 23, 2024, 02:03:23 AM
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Post by: Gerrin on October 23, 2024, 07:08:17 AM
This time last year I wasn't particularly enamoured with him but I think he probably is player of the season so far. Give Unai time with a player and he makes them great.
Have to agree I wasn't convinced with this signing at first, he was a bit slow getting started. But now he's absolutely critical to the way we play and I'd say much more important for the overall team play than Luiz was, he's not missed at all.
Post by: rob_bridge on October 23, 2024, 07:10:07 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on October 23, 2024, 07:14:52 AM
Lovely interview with him after the match, seems a really good character.
Post by: Smithy on October 23, 2024, 08:32:50 AM
Unai and his team really know what they're doing. Not just on the training ground preparing for matches, but in strengthening the squad from window to window.
Post by: darren woolley on October 23, 2024, 08:48:02 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on October 23, 2024, 01:43:03 PM
Post by: LeeB on October 23, 2024, 01:45:59 PM
He looks like a choirboy and sort of plays like one too, floating around ethereally in silken robes of claret. I've had a bifta.
:)
Post by: eye digress on October 23, 2024, 02:20:27 PM
Who'd have thought we'd be at the end of October and thinking we don't miss Dougie AT ALL.World upside down for Dougie at the minute.
Just 2 starts in 11 games so far, and currently out injured (very rarely was for us). Also, zero yellow cards!
Post by: VillaTim on October 23, 2024, 03:00:30 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on October 24, 2024, 04:27:52 PM
I appreciate he looks a lot fitter than when he first joined us and at 27 is probably at his prime but he's so important to the way we play, Unai is going to have to really use his footballing grey cells to figure out a way to rest him without impacting performances and results.
Post by: Mister E on October 24, 2024, 04:54:55 PM
I loved that '77 team! Outrageously talented and scored so many goals. '81 / '82 were also full of flair but perhaps more ruthlessly efficient.And sadly not recognised at international level.🥲Watching that game back really brings home what a ridiculous load of bollocks that was.
Great to see Cropley and Cowans in the same team as well. Even with the pair of them put together, I’ve seen more fat on a butcher’s apron.
The 81/82 boys were a better team (just), but my God that ‘77 team were magic to watch.
Post by: Dave on October 24, 2024, 04:57:03 PM
My only cause for concern for Tielemans is we will need to rest him throughout the season. He's played every league and CL game this season (11 games) plus every game game for Belgium (4). He only missed the League Cup game against Wycombe.
Hopefully the Palace front six will be something like Barkley, Kamara, Buendia, Philogene, Ramsey, Duran, and give Youri the whole night off.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on October 24, 2024, 09:33:21 PM
Fantastic player and superb succession planning by Unai and the club, they knew that Dougie was not going to sign and wanted out so acted - just like with Maatsen. It is Digne's shirt to lose but what an eventual replacement.
Exactly. Monchi, at his best, always had the next cab in the rank, so Seville could sell at the highest price.
Post by: VillaTim on October 24, 2024, 11:47:04 PM
Fantastic player and superb succession planning by Unai and the club, they knew that Dougie was not going to sign and wanted out so acted - just like with Maatsen. It is Digne's shirt to lose but what an eventual replacement.Not what i saw . The number of times Emery got Furious with Luiz last season was evident, Emery made the right call and upgraded this crucial role. Superb decision making from Emery / Monchi .
Post by: usav on November 06, 2024, 07:58:20 PM
Post by: brontebilly on November 06, 2024, 08:50:47 PM
Post by: tomd2103 on November 06, 2024, 09:22:45 PM
Has been great most of the season, but cooled off the last few games. His delivery tonight was just awful.
Gave the ball away far too many times as well. An off night.
Their fans didn't seem enamoured with him.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 06, 2024, 09:29:54 PM
“Nobody in their right mind would say we’ve upgraded our midfield this summer”.
Anon, H&V.
I don't agree with it, but I don't think it's that outlandish a statement. I guess whoever said it was probably a big Luiz fan and so that comes down to whether you think Onana will be better in the long run or not. And of course Barrenechea was sent out on loan so is of no help to us this season.
Why it's wrong though is the presence of Barkley. He's such a good option to bring off the bench to see out games, but I also think he'll be useful starting games as the season progresses. He's a really good all rounder and can sit in front of the defence or play a more attacking role. Great bit of business as it turns out.
Not sure if percy is referring to me but i did say when the window shut i have massive reservations we are not stronger than last year. It worried me that we got rid of two of pur biggest goal scoring midfielders and havent replaced them. I didnt expect that bailey would go back to being shit and our style of play will just go to slow lethargic shit. Its so pedestrian.
Im sticking to my analysis in the summer we are weaker now than last year. Man this sucks
Post by: Percy McCarthy on November 07, 2024, 12:11:17 AM
“Nobody in their right mind would say we’ve upgraded our midfield this summer”.
Anon, H&V.
I don't agree with it, but I don't think it's that outlandish a statement. I guess whoever said it was probably a big Luiz fan and so that comes down to whether you think Onana will be better in the long run or not. And of course Barrenechea was sent out on loan so is of no help to us this season.
Why it's wrong though is the presence of Barkley. He's such a good option to bring off the bench to see out games, but I also think he'll be useful starting games as the season progresses. He's a really good all rounder and can sit in front of the defence or play a more attacking role. Great bit of business as it turns out.
Not sure if percy is referring to me but i did say when the window shut i have massive reservations we are not stronger than last year. It worried me that we got rid of two of pur biggest goal scoring midfielders and havent replaced them. I didnt expect that bailey would go back to being shit and our style of play will just go to slow lethargic shit. Its so pedestrian.
Im sticking to my analysis in the summer we are weaker now than last year. Man this sucks
I can’t remember who it was.
Post by: Chico Hamilton III on November 07, 2024, 06:56:39 AM
Post by: Demitri_C on November 07, 2024, 09:41:42 AM
Post by: ChicagoLion on November 07, 2024, 10:12:37 AM
I’d forgotten that he used to play for Anderlecht and I didn’t realise that Anderlecht’s biggest rivals are Bruges. We were sitting behind the goal in the home end last night and heard the stick he was getting every time the ball came near him.Shame he let it get to him.He was crap.
Post by: Mister E on November 07, 2024, 11:59:58 AM
Youri had a right stinker mast night. Really poor performance from himHe was clearly targeted by the oppo, and it clearly disconcerted him. Unfortunately, Rogers didn't pick up the slack.
Post by: Demitri_C on November 07, 2024, 09:06:02 PM
Youri had a right stinker mast night. Really poor performance from himHe was clearly targeted by the oppo, and it clearly disconcerted him. Unfortunately, Rogers didn't pick up the slack.
Yeah i think that definitely had a impact
Post by: PeterWithe on November 07, 2024, 09:18:41 PM
Post by: VillaTim on November 07, 2024, 11:11:16 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2024, 12:31:02 AM
There were only 23k in the ground, and you'd guess 3-4k of them were Villa, You'd hope he wasn't put off by what is a medium sized crowd for the Championship.
He's probably never been jeered like that before. Lesta couldn't hate him after he won the FA Cup, even if he phoned-in all his subsequent appearances for them but he was chubby and lazy at the time, happens to us all from time to time.
Post by: dcdavecollett on November 08, 2024, 02:09:32 AM
Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2024, 10:20:03 AM
Post by: Dave P on November 08, 2024, 12:01:38 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on November 08, 2024, 12:58:18 PM
Post by: OCD on November 08, 2024, 04:11:53 PM
The midfielder has not been included in Belgium’s squad for their forthcoming UEFA Nations League double-header as he manages a minor complaint.
But Tielemans is expected to be fit to face the Reds this weekend before using the international period as rehabilitation." - OS
Post by: cdbearsfan on November 08, 2024, 04:14:14 PM
Post by: LeeB on November 08, 2024, 04:16:18 PM
I'm surprised Belgium have agreed to that. Fair play to them. Meanwhile England under-21s won't be happy until Morgan Rogers has to retire through exhaustion, the massive twats.
It's Roberto Martinez though and he's the David Coote of managers, any suggestions are instantly adopted.
Post by: Risso on November 08, 2024, 04:18:38 PM
I'm surprised Belgium have agreed to that. Fair play to them. Meanwhile England under-21s won't be happy until Morgan Rogers has to retire through exhaustion, the massive twats.
It's Roberto Martinez though and he's the David Coote of managers, any suggestions are instantly adopted.
Hasn't been Martinez since last year mate.
Post by: Matt C on November 08, 2024, 04:38:40 PM
Post by: eamonn on November 08, 2024, 05:07:47 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 08:13:20 PM
Post by: usav on December 14, 2024, 08:20:24 PM
Post by: Risso on December 14, 2024, 08:29:06 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on December 14, 2024, 08:30:27 PM
Post by: brontebilly on December 14, 2024, 08:39:49 PM
Post by: Ian. on December 14, 2024, 08:43:12 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2024, 08:57:15 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 14, 2024, 08:59:56 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on December 14, 2024, 09:01:22 PM
I don’t think it’s just form, although that’s clearly a factor. I still think he’s not best suited to the role he’s playing. Given our attack isn’t really clicking, I’d be inclined to make him more advanced and push Rogers wider.The midfield combination hasn’t worked well and I guess now they will try and fit Onana in.
Post by: rob_bridge on December 14, 2024, 09:04:25 PM
Leave him on bench for next 2 games if the other 3 are fit.
Post by: Demitri_C on December 15, 2024, 08:15:58 AM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on December 15, 2024, 06:18:15 PM
He needs a rest. IMO.
He had one yesterday.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 15, 2024, 06:37:28 PM
He deserves a rest.
Post by: brontebilly on December 15, 2024, 06:46:44 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 21, 2024, 02:40:23 PM
Post by: usav on December 21, 2024, 03:13:08 PM
When our midfield isn’t balanced or he’s asked to do too much defensive work Youri can be overwhelmed. But today we saw with the correction support and protection how effective he can be. And than through ball to Rogers was an exactly what we all know he can do. Absolutely sublime vision slicing apart a world class defence. Really good today.
Spot on. I'd been asking for him to be pushed further forward for weeks and now we can finally do it with Onana and Kamara both fully fit. Our best results last season came with him in that role as well.
Post by: Rigadon on December 21, 2024, 03:56:19 PM
Post by: PaulWinch again on December 21, 2024, 04:29:43 PM
Post by: Dave on December 21, 2024, 05:03:46 PM
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Tielemans was taking the p*ss out of The Old Men Of Manchester City. Kovacic and Ilkay Gundogan made his life easier through their leaden boots, but the Belgian was superb in his more advanced role ahead of Onana and Boubacar Kamara, playing one-touch passes into Rogers and Duran when possible, taking the ball on the half turn with his head up and looking for runners in behind. He was gliding. If there’s been a better performance from a playmaker this season it must have been something really special.
Post by: ozzjim on December 21, 2024, 07:46:34 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on December 21, 2024, 07:56:37 PM
Tielemans and McGinn take it in turns in the handbreakless position.
Avoid injuries and i reckon that’ll get us close to top 4.
Post by: Matt C on December 22, 2024, 03:10:00 AM
He helped make the second with his run to create space right of McGinn too.
Post by: Hookeysmith on December 23, 2024, 11:03:59 AM
He really does glide past people and some of the moves to roll out of the block on the half turn is just a joy to watch.
He makes it all look so effortless - the pass for the goal is simple but absolute perfection and agree with other poster his run outside of McGinn for the 2nd goal was sublime.
And to think he and Kamara were free - just goes to show you don't need to spunk gazillions on transfers.
Post by: john e on December 23, 2024, 11:27:10 AM
if he gets injured or tiers Coutinho would fit in there for 45 mins, I think he’s still our player
Yes I’m one of the very few who still think he’s a fine player and could play a part if he could just stay fit
Post by: eamonn on December 23, 2024, 01:33:23 PM
Post by: Toronto Villa on December 23, 2024, 02:23:46 PM
Does Unai deserve criticism for not playing him in this role way more often this season or has he always been waiting for Onana and Kamara to be ready to play together behind Youri?
I think he’s tried to play at him in that role. It’s when he gets dragged into other responsibilities more than he should that things go to shit. Of course all players need to contribute to the team effort outside of their core function but having two dedicated DMs in the side allowed the likes of Youri and Rogers to push forward and play their more natural advanced and creative roles. And it certainly helped that Man City’s players couldn’t be arsed or weren’t able to play with the same intensity in the middle as our players.
Post by: darren woolley on December 23, 2024, 02:26:37 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on December 23, 2024, 03:51:14 PM
Does Unai deserve criticism for not playing him in this role way more often this season or has he always been waiting for Onana and Kamara to be ready to play together behind Youri?
This did cross my mind. Surely Barkley and Kamara could have done a decent enough job to allow Tielemans further forward? Saying that, Kamara hasn't long come back anyway.
Post by: usav on December 23, 2024, 03:56:43 PM
Does Unai deserve criticism for not playing him in this role way more often this season or has he always been waiting for Onana and Kamara to be ready to play together behind Youri?
Yes. I said weeks ago McGinn or Barkley should have dropped back and played alongside Kamara.
Different subject: not only was the pass superb on Saturday it was with his left foot - just excellent all around.
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 23, 2024, 04:25:51 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on December 23, 2024, 06:21:11 PM
Does Unai deserve criticism for not playing him in this role way more often this season or has he always been waiting for Onana and Kamara to be ready to play together behind Youri?
TBF, in the earlier games, Tielemans was doing decent in the role just ahead of Torres with the stupidly high passing and possession stats that were coming out. But with teams pressing more on him and the players further up not showing as well, he was not playing. So having him further forward does help, but in some games having him further back is not an issue either (he also played that deeper position against Arse and Bournemouth last season really well).
Post by: dcdavecollett on December 23, 2024, 07:20:15 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on January 18, 2025, 07:52:44 PM
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Aston Villa midfielder Youri Tielemans told BBC Sport: "We came back really well into the game. The [first] goal gave us freedom and belief. It's not an easy task. They were on top of us for 60 minutes.
"I saw the space and tried to jump into it. Good goal.
"From our point of view [a good result] is always deserved. We take the point and move forward. They had many chances but we defended with our bodies on the line. 2-2 is a good result for us. First half we had a couple of counters, misplaced passes from me which could have put Ollie Watkins in.
"We fought really well to come back into the game.
"Handball is handball when it is a goal. It is what it is.
"Big win. We have had some bad results away from home. We just need that consistency away from home because we're doing well at Villa Park. It gives us a massive boost of confidence for the rest of the season."
At least he is not trying to duck responsibility.
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 18, 2025, 09:09:43 PM
Post by: brontebilly on January 18, 2025, 09:22:18 PM
Is it me, or is he fronting up a lot for media duties recently?
One of the most experienced players in the squad so I guess he should. I thought the game had passed him by up to the goal but he wanted it more than Merino and that was an excellent header. Unfortunate not to score again a couple of minutes later. Hopefully this can kick him into a better spell of form after a sticky run of games.
Post by: AV82EC on January 18, 2025, 10:15:59 PM
Post by: eamonn on January 19, 2025, 01:32:00 AM
Post by: Drummond on January 19, 2025, 01:42:14 AM
I reckon were going to see more goals from him before the end of the season.
Post by: dcdavecollett on January 19, 2025, 09:43:44 PM
Post by: Dante Lavelli on January 19, 2025, 09:49:13 PM
Diving header! Love it.
I reckon were going to see more goals from him before the end of the season.
You’d hope so, now he’s playing in the more advanced position.
Post by: ozzjim on January 20, 2025, 08:49:04 AM
Post by: algy on January 20, 2025, 11:04:12 PM
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jan/20/youri-tielemans-now-the-pacemaker-at-heart-of-aston-villas-resurgence
Post by: usav on February 09, 2025, 09:25:36 PM
Post by: Gerrin on February 20, 2025, 10:20:21 PM
He was a little huffy, when he first joined, not getting minutes etc. Credit to Unai, integrating him, his first 11 every game imo now though, next captain after sjm.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 02, 2025, 11:36:10 PM
He's 27 years old now.
Post by: rougegorge on March 03, 2025, 09:39:22 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on March 03, 2025, 11:01:52 AM
Post by: OCD on March 03, 2025, 11:23:12 AM
Post by: London Villan on March 03, 2025, 11:29:17 AM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 03, 2025, 01:52:43 PM
The way he turns away from players and starts our attacks its like he has eyes in the back of his head
Post by: Percy McCarthy on March 03, 2025, 02:09:27 PM
With the success of our free transfers I’m sure we’ll be tempted to go in for David and Gomes from Lille.
Post by: PeterWithe on March 06, 2025, 12:45:04 PM
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-14466183/Oily-fish-Youri-Tielemans-Aston-Villa-TOM-COLLOMOSSE.html
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Week after week, they would take their seats in the stands at Premier League stadiums. Scouts from Arsenal, Manchester United, Manchester City and Liverpool, not to mention the elite of European football, all keeping a close eye on Leicester City’s No 8.
One by one they filed their reports and one by one their clubs decided to pass. Not even when Youri Tielemans had run down his contract at the King Power Stadium and was available on a free transfer in the summer of 2023.
Instead of focusing on his strengths, they worried about his weaknesses — the classic recruitment mistake. Tielemans’ relative lack of pace and mobility concerned them, and they feared he did not score enough goals.
Yet Unai Emery saw past these details and persuaded Aston Villa to give Tielemans a four-year contract worth about £200,000 a week — which instantly made him one of the club’s top earners. After meeting Tielemans at his home in rural Leicestershire, Emery asked a series of questions designed to understand the player but also the person. He left certain that Tielemans’ ambition matched his own.
When Emery speaks to potential targets, he will fire up his laptop and show them various clips of their games. He will say ‘I need you to do this’ when showing some and ‘Don’t do this’ when showing others. Tielemans liked the idea of playing closer to the attackers and operating at different points of Villa’s midfield ‘box’.
On the face of it, it was a big salary for a player whose goal and assist numbers were modest. Don’t forget, though, that Villa did not pay a fee for Tielemans, so it was normal that his representatives would demand high wages. Moreover, Emery was willing to look beyond those superficial statistics.
The 27-year-old midfielder is meticulous about his diet, eating regular portions of oily fish
Tielemans keeps Villa’s engine ticking. He scores highly across the board in Opta’s Premier League passing charts — second for passes into the final third, fourth for progressive passes and through-balls and ninth for key passes.
Beyond the statistics, though, he provides the sort of understated leadership this team needs. Tielemans may not be as vocal as Emiliano Martinez or Tyrone Mings, but he leads by example on and off the pitch.
He has the top-level experience Villa need, too. He made his Champions League debut for Anderlecht aged 16 and has now made 29 appearances in Europe’s premier club competition. He has 74 caps for Belgium and his winning goal for Leicester against Chelsea in the 2021 FA Cup final was one of the most memorable at Wembley of recent times.
Emery demands his players spend at least 70 per cent of their waking lives focused on football. Besides his young family, Tielemans devotes his time to little else. No wonder he has yet to miss a Premier League, Champions League or FA Cup fixture for Villa this season — and he has started every game, too.
Tielemans turns 28 in May and though he has plenty of miles on the clock, he has proved a fine investment.
Talks over a new contract should follow before the end of the year and, as Villa contemplate a thrilling end to the season with a Champions League advantage over Club Bruges to defend next week in the second leg, a race for the top five in the league and an FA Cup quarter-final in store, some of those scouts must be kicking themselves.
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on March 06, 2025, 12:56:55 PM
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 06, 2025, 01:00:23 PM
Can say just like to see some more goals and even better play from him.
Demanding
That said yes he’s stepped up where Dougie has left and is showing his class every time
Post by: usav on March 06, 2025, 01:54:30 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on March 06, 2025, 02:05:32 PM
Post by: itbrvilla on March 06, 2025, 02:07:50 PM
He's started 40 of our 42 games this season. The 2 LC games are all he's missed.sometimes it shows. He and Rogers both need a rest.
Post by: Somniloquism on March 06, 2025, 02:08:20 PM
Post by: LeeB on March 06, 2025, 02:10:46 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 06, 2025, 02:21:06 PM
And only missed one full half when subbed (also a rare occurrence) which was Newcastle away IIRC.
A fully fit him and Kamara are as good a pivot as you will see in world football
Post by: eamonn on March 06, 2025, 07:42:05 PM
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The 27-year-old midfielder is meticulous about his diet, eating regular portions of oily fish
I think this is where I've been going wrong.
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 22, 2025, 04:52:22 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on March 22, 2025, 04:53:12 PM
Suspended for Ukraine second leg and leaves the Belgian squad. Has a chance of a little break now.
That's good news for us.
Post by: Toronto Villa on March 23, 2025, 12:19:57 PM
QuoteThe 27-year-old midfielder is meticulous about his diet, eating regular portions of oily fish
I think this is where I've been going wrong.
Aye. While it might include fish, a nightly diet of fish and chips with a pint isn’t the same.
Post by: Clampy on March 23, 2025, 12:36:58 PM
QuoteThe 27-year-old midfielder is meticulous about his diet, eating regular portions of oily fish
I think this is where I've been going wrong.
Aye. While it might include fish, a nightly diet of fish and chips with a pint isn’t the same.
And batters.
Post by: Richie on March 23, 2025, 09:44:30 PM
Suspended for Ukraine second leg and leaves the Belgian squad. Has a chance of a little break now.
Jesus ! Thank God for that. I’ve just noticed he wasn’t playing for them tonight and thought the injury curse had struck again
Post by: Hookeysmith on March 24, 2025, 12:11:10 PM
Suspended for Ukraine second leg and leaves the Belgian squad. Has a chance of a little break now.
Jesus ! Thank God for that. I’ve just noticed he wasn’t playing for them tonight and thought the injury curse had struck again
Phew, and me
Post by: Footy-Vill on March 24, 2025, 01:19:56 PM
thank the good lord and I feel I do my bit by helping with the news. I do like it when can help in the h and v community as well as info I read and find out too! No problem.Suspended for Ukraine second leg and leaves the Belgian squad. Has a chance of a little break now.
Jesus ! Thank God for that. I’ve just noticed he wasn’t playing for them tonight and thought the injury curse had struck again
Phew, and me
I wonder if he'll play against Preston?
Perhaps a start and give him 70mins maximum as Brighton on Wednesday and then Forest be needed for the full 90s
Post by: Tony Daleys Shorts on April 16, 2025, 09:06:21 AM
Post by: Drummond on April 16, 2025, 09:11:39 AM
Post by: OCD on April 16, 2025, 11:53:08 AM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 16, 2025, 12:27:34 PM
Excellent again last night. Player of the season for me.
Agreed, doesn't always get the plaudits on here that he deserves. https://x.com/PremLeaguePanel/status/1911095880850997722
What a brilliant signing he's been, and still only 27. Could be even better next season after he's had a proper rest this summer.
Post by: Keeno on April 16, 2025, 02:02:08 PM
I feel like McGinn's attitude and love for the Villa has rubbed off on him and he's as pivotal to the mentality of the team as SJM is - future captain material without a doubt.
Not even close for me, by a country mile our player of the season. Turn's out we'd signed our Luiz upgrade signed a season before he left.
Post by: Steve67 on April 16, 2025, 02:14:47 PM
Post by: Smirker on April 16, 2025, 04:12:03 PM
Post by: OCD on April 16, 2025, 05:10:00 PM
Post by: Brazilian Villain on April 16, 2025, 05:40:04 PM
A midfield 4 of Ramsey, Kamara, Tielemans and McGinn cost a combined £2m.
£2.75m, not that it renders your point invalid. :)
Post by: Dick Edwards on April 16, 2025, 05:41:50 PM
Post by: Chris Smith on April 16, 2025, 05:48:31 PM
Tielemans would not look out of place in any team in Europe. A tremendous footballer.
I’d argue he look out of place in about 95% of teams in Europe as he’d be far too good for them. <wink>
Post by: Smirker on April 20, 2025, 01:00:40 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2025, 01:08:25 AM
So fair play, he's putting in a shift as the only nailed-on outfield starter apart from Rogers. Add his quality on the ball and he's so key to our success.
Post by: usav on April 20, 2025, 03:48:07 AM
Post by: AV84 on April 20, 2025, 08:53:28 AM
Youri Tielemans
He plays in midfield
He scores goals, both home and away
He'll run for hours, has God like powers
Youri Tielemans, Villa's number 8
Post by: Clampy on April 20, 2025, 09:35:44 AM
Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2025, 10:31:37 AM
Post by: colin69 on April 20, 2025, 01:17:37 PM
What a player, what a bargain.
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 20, 2025, 01:22:09 PM
Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2025, 02:45:32 PM
Incredible engine and ability. Easily our player of the season and should be in with a shout for a Premier player of the year nomination
Don't they do these nominations ridiculously early like before Xmas? Cue an embarrassed Cole Palmer collecting his awards.
Post by: not3bad on April 20, 2025, 02:54:39 PM
Said it for weeks, he’s our player of the season without a doubt. Needs a song!
(to Tesla Girls by OMD)
Ter Ter Ta Ta Ta Ta Ter
Tielemans, Tielemans
Testing out
Through balls
Get on the end
And score a goal
When Yuri's in
We'll win them all
And heaven knows
We'll win the league
Yuri! Yuri!
Tielemans
Post by: thick_mike on April 20, 2025, 02:58:00 PM
Youri Tielemans
Youri Tielemans
Youri Tielemans
Is most effective in an attacking role just behind the forward line
Post by: olaftab on April 20, 2025, 02:59:10 PM
Post by: astonvilla82 on April 20, 2025, 03:46:37 PM
I must thank Monchi for the deal that sent Luiz to Juve. We found a golden nugget.Other clubs support like Manchester United and Chelsea must look at our recruitment and think how the F do they do it
Post by: Toronto Villa on April 20, 2025, 03:57:16 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on April 20, 2025, 04:01:04 PM
Our starting line up yesterday cost less than £150M, and 25% of that was on Maatsen.
And will it get mentioned anywhere by the scum 6 sycophantic media...don't hold your breath
Post by: Sexual Ealing on April 20, 2025, 04:25:47 PM
Our starting line up yesterday cost less than £150M, and 25% of that was on Maatsen.
And will it get mentioned anywhere by the scum 6 sycophantic media...don't hold your breath
And yet it's quite the most staggering statistic. One that would, if the supine media had the minerals to splash it on every front page, cause the immediate collapse of the Sky-industrial complex, as well as the ceasation of every festival of wanking this side of the Tigris.
But they won't do it, and we've already proved beyond doubt that it's not because it's not that interesting to anyone. So what's the reason?
Post by: jwarry on April 20, 2025, 04:44:38 PM
Our starting line up yesterday cost less than £150M, and 25% of that was on Maatsen.
And will it get mentioned anywhere by the scum 6 sycophantic media...don't hold your breath
And yet it's quite the most staggering statistic. One that would, if the supine media had the minerals to splash it on every front page, cause the immediate collapse of the Sky-industrial complex, as well as the ceasation of every festival of wanking this side of the Tigris.
But they won't do it, and we've already proved beyond doubt that it's not because it's not that interesting to anyone. So what's the reason?
Beautiful prose SE
Post by: Rigadon on April 20, 2025, 04:47:30 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on April 20, 2025, 05:06:00 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 20, 2025, 05:13:47 PM
And Youri should be in some POTY debates, while Rogers should win YPOTY, assuming he’s young enough.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 20, 2025, 05:22:06 PM
Our starting line up yesterday cost less than £150M, and 25% of that was on Maatsen.
With a huge amount of that amortised, with how long a lot of them have been with us - Martinez, Mings, Cash, Konsa, McGinn, Watkins.
It’s amazing really.
Post by: rob_bridge on April 20, 2025, 05:32:28 PM
Neck and neck with Rogers for our player of the season. He’s been magnificent.
I think YT has been better even though Morgan is my favourite Villa player
Post by: eamonn on April 20, 2025, 06:09:39 PM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on April 20, 2025, 06:11:31 PM
How's Suso getting on these days? He was the Spanish Madeley, right ?
I’d like to answer but I can’t, sorry.
Post by: LeonW on April 27, 2025, 02:04:15 AM
Post by: Chap on April 28, 2025, 07:43:59 PM
Amazing this season but absolutely garage in the the FA cup semi final. Garbage.Think that’s more down to the opposition being all over him every time he got the ball.
Post by: Footy-Vill on May 06, 2025, 08:15:46 AM
Our creative force.
Consummate professional.
And he not only can play ball he scores headers too!
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2025, 10:38:37 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2025, 10:47:03 AM
Welcome back, F-V. We seem to do better when you post so hopefully your return will mean a good finish to the season.
I don’t do better. Do we? We’ve won 11 out of the last 14 and won the FA Youth Cup recently, so when did he stop posting?
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 06, 2025, 11:08:05 AM
Welcome back, F-V. We seem to do better when you post so hopefully your return will mean a good finish to the season.
With respect, I'd rather he fucks off back to sharing his drivel on mumsnet.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 06, 2025, 11:08:54 AM
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 06, 2025, 11:11:07 AM
Welcome back, F-V. We seem to do better when you post so hopefully your return will mean a good finish to the season.
With respect, I'd rather he fucks off back to sharing his drivel on mumsnet.
Seconded.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2025, 11:23:25 AM
Welcome back, F-V. We seem to do better when you post so hopefully your return will mean a good finish to the season.
I don’t do better. Do we? We’ve won 11 out of the last 14 and won the FA Youth Cup recently, so when did he stop posting?
When we were still in the FA Cup and Champions League.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2025, 11:23:42 AM
Welcome back, F-V. We seem to do better when you post so hopefully your return will mean a good finish to the season.
With respect, I'd rather he fucks off back to sharing his drivel on mumsnet.
Pathetic.
Post by: Sexual Ealing on May 06, 2025, 11:26:24 AM
Welcome back, F-V. We seem to do better when you post so hopefully your return will mean a good finish to the season.
Seconded. Good to see you Footy!
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 06, 2025, 11:43:07 AM
Welcome back, F-V. We seem to do better when you post so hopefully your return will mean a good finish to the season.
With respect, I'd rather he fucks off back to sharing his drivel on mumsnet.
Pathetic.
Grovelling nitwit.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2025, 12:06:14 PM
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 06, 2025, 12:22:04 PM
Not being a bullying arsehole = grovelling? Okay...Bullying a Chatbot? That's a new one.
Post by: LeeB on May 06, 2025, 12:30:11 PM
If you're wondering where some of our long term posters have gone join the dots.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2025, 12:35:48 PM
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2025, 12:40:17 PM
i) we officially conclude that too many rules have been broken and a ban is issued (not trying to tell the mods how to do their job obvs, just an observation);
ii) we assume FV is a person and are nice to them because it's better to be accidentally nice to a chatbot than accidentally horrible to a person;
iii) just hide their posts if you don't like them, ignore them, carry on as if they're not there;
iv) compulsory serving of asparagus at breakfast.
Sensible policies for a happier internet.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 06, 2025, 01:21:07 PM
Post by: AV82EC on May 06, 2025, 01:26:34 PM
Post by: GordonCowansisthegreatest on May 06, 2025, 01:28:22 PM
iii) just hide their posts if you don't like them, ignore them, carry on as if they're not there;
It's all well and good saying just hide his/hers/its posts, unfortunately there's usually 25/30 of them and it's a pain in the arse to go through every thread to scrap them!
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Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 06, 2025, 03:30:31 PM
But it makes your wee smell.
I'd prefer it if you didn't lean over my shoulder at the urinal.
Post by: Monty on May 06, 2025, 03:33:44 PM
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iii) just hide their posts if you don't like them, ignore them, carry on as if they're not there;
It's all well and good saying just hide his/hers/its posts, unfortunately there's usually 25/30 of them and it's a pain in the arse to go through every thread to scrap them!
I suggest mildly that there's the option of simply dealing with something annoying on the internet.
Post by: AV82EC on May 06, 2025, 03:41:10 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 06, 2025, 05:13:09 PM
Post by: Mellin on May 07, 2025, 06:52:14 PM
Good to see the staff have taken action too, reading between the lines as stated above.
Welcome back, footy.
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on May 07, 2025, 07:25:57 PM
As a non regular poster, but regular reader I’d rather not have to see people being bullied.
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 07, 2025, 07:37:22 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on May 07, 2025, 07:39:35 PM
Nitwits.
Bullies don't often like being called out. Sure one of the mods can show you how to use the ignore list if you’re unable to work it out yourself.
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2025, 07:42:02 PM
Post by: Monty on May 07, 2025, 07:45:58 PM
Post by: markeeeebeeee2005 on May 07, 2025, 07:46:54 PM
One can only dream of the budget the combined wealth of Elon and Vladimir Vladimirovich can throw at the Aston Villa Fan Forum Disruption Bot Farm.
🤣🤣
Post by: Archbishop Herbert Cockthrottle on May 07, 2025, 07:52:13 PM
Nitwits.
Bullies don't often like being called out. Sure one of the mods can show you how to use the ignore list if you’re unable to work it out yourself.
*neutral stare*
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2025, 07:58:32 PM
One can only dream of the budget the combined wealth of Elon and Vladimir Vladimirovich can throw at the Aston Villa Fan Forum Disruption Bot Farm.
Pretty easy to imagine a WhatsApp group comprised of the banned who went off to form the 'biscuits' site giggling to themselves as the inanities posted get 'bites' from the assembled. Bantz innit.
Post by: Monty on May 07, 2025, 08:01:22 PM
One can only dream of the budget the combined wealth of Elon and Vladimir Vladimirovich can throw at the Aston Villa Fan Forum Disruption Bot Farm.
Pretty easy to imagine a WhatsApp group comprised of the banned who went off to form the 'biscuits' site giggling to themselves as the inanities posted get 'bites' from the assembled. Bantz innit.
I find the idea that any of those people would have anything like the wit and creativity to have created this character, let alone the tenacity to keep it up like this, frighteningly unlikely.
But if we really think so, we can ban them. Or, for those of us who aren't mods, we can just ignore them and not run the risk of bullying someone. It really would be better to err on the side of looking like a bit of a fool than being harmful to the innocent.
Post by: eamonn on May 07, 2025, 08:02:43 PM
Post by: PeterWithe on May 07, 2025, 08:08:30 PM
On the second, I agree, and do, I was rather defending the right of those who are annoyed and voice that annoyance. Albeit whilst pointing out that triggering that annoyance is the whole point and should be avoided. So, to sum up. Do whatever you like y'all.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 07, 2025, 08:58:51 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 07, 2025, 09:00:11 PM
Post by: CT Villan on May 07, 2025, 09:06:19 PM
Post by: LeeB on May 07, 2025, 09:11:37 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 07, 2025, 09:32:06 PM
Post by: edgysatsuma89 on May 07, 2025, 11:16:43 PM
One can only dream of the budget the combined wealth of Elon and Vladimir Vladimirovich can throw at the Aston Villa Fan Forum Disruption Bot Farm.
Pretty easy to imagine a WhatsApp group comprised of the banned who went off to form the 'biscuits' site giggling to themselves as the inanities posted get 'bites' from the assembled. Bantz innit.
I find the idea that any of those people would have anything like the wit and creativity to have created this character, let alone the tenacity to keep it up like this, frighteningly unlikely.
But if we really think so, we can ban them. Or, for those of us who aren't mods, we can just ignore them and not run the risk of bullying someone. It really would be better to err on the side of looking like a bit of a fool than being harmful to the innocent.
I reckon Footy has seen The Prestige, and I respect it.
Post by: rob_bridge on May 08, 2025, 12:03:15 AM
Struggled on occasion with no settled partner but so versatile.
50+ games, lots of games like Morgan (who is my personal favorite to watch ) but Youri has been better in totality.
Post by: Drummond on May 08, 2025, 12:55:09 AM
One can only dream of the budget the combined wealth of Elon and Vladimir Vladimirovich can throw at the Aston Villa Fan Forum Disruption Bot Farm.
With my dodgy eyes I read that as Eton, and of course, started thinking of our very own heir to the throne.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 08, 2025, 09:10:20 AM
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2025, 09:36:50 AM
Easy vote to cast this year. Been overall brilliant start to finish.
Struggled on occasion with no settled partner but so versatile.
50+ games, lots of games like Morgan (who is my personal favorite to watch ) but Youri has been better in totality.
Definitely our POTY. I had huge reservations about his ability to replace Luiz based on his form the previous season. 50+ games says it all. Back to his peak form at Leicester. Fitter, stronger and gifted on the ball. Another Emery success story in terms of man management and tactical fit.
Post by: john e on May 08, 2025, 09:37:18 AM
Without him we are lost
Post by: ChicagoLion on May 08, 2025, 11:41:24 AM
Post by: OCD on May 08, 2025, 12:00:25 PM
Easy vote to cast this year. Been overall brilliant start to finish.
Struggled on occasion with no settled partner but so versatile.
50+ games, lots of games like Morgan (who is my personal favorite to watch ) but Youri has been better in totality.
Definitely our POTY. I had huge reservations about his ability to replace Luiz based on his form the previous season. 50+ games says it all. Back to his peak form at Leicester. Fitter, stronger and gifted on the ball. Another Emery success story in terms of man management and tactical fit.
I'm just waiting to see him scoring some of the beauties he used to score for Leicester. Top corner from 25 yards out; that type.
Post by: eamonn on May 08, 2025, 12:10:26 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 08, 2025, 12:16:58 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2025, 12:20:18 PM
Easy vote to cast this year. Been overall brilliant start to finish.
Struggled on occasion with no settled partner but so versatile.
50+ games, lots of games like Morgan (who is my personal favorite to watch ) but Youri has been better in totality.
Definitely our POTY. I had huge reservations about his ability to replace Luiz based on his form the previous season. 50+ games says it all. Back to his peak form at Leicester. Fitter, stronger and gifted on the ball. Another Emery success story in terms of man management and tactical fit.
I'm just waiting to see him scoring some of the beauties he used to score for Leicester. Top corner from 25 yards out; that type.
Very nearly did v Fulham. great save.
That header v Fulham was Luiz esque. We weren't getting those goals from midfield for a lot of the season. Happy to have been proven wrong by YT.
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2025, 12:23:21 PM
Kamara for me
Without him we are lost
Didn't show up in some of our key games for me. Fantastic player in the main don't get me wrong. Tielemans has played 14 games more for us as per d'internet.
Post by: brontebilly on May 08, 2025, 12:26:31 PM
Unai doesn't encourage pearlers.
I think you are right, Eamonn. Bar Duran, who couldn't be trained anyway, it's rare enough our guys take them on.
Post by: Tuscans on May 08, 2025, 04:22:50 PM
@J_Tanswell
@TheAthleticFC
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2025, 04:30:18 PM
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 08, 2025, 04:30:35 PM
🚨 Aston Villa midfielder Youri Tielemans set for spell out injured - fears 28yo Belgium international will miss rest of #AVFC season with muscle problem. Chance of returning for #MUFC on last day but currently seen as remote. W/
@J_Tanswell
@TheAthleticFC
The thought of Barkley standing in for him for these next crucial 3 games fills me with dread.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2025, 04:32:58 PM
Post by: Clampy on May 08, 2025, 04:59:08 PM
🚨 Aston Villa midfielder Youri Tielemans set for spell out injured - fears 28yo Belgium international will miss rest of #AVFC season with muscle problem. Chance of returning for #MUFC on last day but currently seen as remote. W/
@J_Tanswell
@TheAthleticFC
The thought of Barkley standing in for him for these next crucial 3 games fills me with dread.
Why would it be Barkley?
Post by: Monty on May 08, 2025, 05:00:33 PM
Post by: paul_e on May 08, 2025, 05:06:47 PM
Onana and Kamara is in theory a solid shield, from behind which we can waft the scything katana of Rogers, Ramsey, Asensio and Watkins (or some other combo).
It also means both fullbacks can push on a little more than usual.
Post by: Somniloquism on May 08, 2025, 05:07:29 PM
🚨 Aston Villa midfielder Youri Tielemans set for spell out injured - fears 28yo Belgium international will miss rest of #AVFC season with muscle problem. Chance of returning for #MUFC on last day but currently seen as remote. W/
@J_Tanswell
@TheAthleticFC
The thought of Barkley standing in for him for these next crucial 3 games fills me with dread.
Why would it be Barkley?
And even then Barkley in front of the defence was playing as well as Youri in matches earlier this season. Against Fulham Barkley was pushed in the number 10 position which he hasn't really played since we last had him here I expect.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 08, 2025, 05:07:44 PM
🚨 Aston Villa midfielder Youri Tielemans set for spell out injured - fears 28yo Belgium international will miss rest of #AVFC season with muscle problem. Chance of returning for #MUFC on last day but currently seen as remote. W/
@J_Tanswell
@TheAthleticFC
The thought of Barkley standing in for him for these next crucial 3 games fills me with dread.
Why would it be Barkley?
Probably reasonable to assume we'll be seeing plenty of him given Unai's reluctance to give SJM or Onana a full game, to be fair. I doubt he'll be starting, further injuries notwithstanding.
Post by: Monty on May 08, 2025, 05:08:16 PM
Onana and Kamara is in theory a solid shield, from behind which we can waft the scything katana of Rogers, Ramsey, Asensio and Watkins (or some other combo).
It also means both fullbacks can push on a little more than usual.
Yeah let's play Digne/Maatsen AND Garcia. 2-2-6!
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 08, 2025, 05:21:40 PM
Post by: N'ZMAV on May 08, 2025, 05:54:41 PM
Sorted.
Post by: PhilVill on May 08, 2025, 06:32:02 PM
put McGinn in CM, Rogers back at 10. Malen RW and Ramsey LW. Asensio bench impact player.
Sorted.
Sounds good to me 👍
Post by: dorsetvillian on May 08, 2025, 06:44:45 PM
Post by: RamboandBruno on May 08, 2025, 06:59:06 PM
put McGinn in CM, Rogers back at 10. Malen RW and Ramsey LW. Asensio bench impact player.Way forward
Sorted.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 08, 2025, 07:07:24 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 08, 2025, 07:50:40 PM
Post by: olaftab on May 08, 2025, 08:05:13 PM
Huge blow this . On top of Rashford out too.Yes but luckily we have Pau, he can create more chances if we play both Kamara and Onana in front of back 4.
Post by: VillaTim on May 08, 2025, 08:16:52 PM
Ha , let's net get into that one .Huge blow this . On top of Rashford out too.Yes but luckily we have Pau, he can create more chances if we play both Kamara and Onana in front of back 4.
Post by: Brend'Watkins on May 08, 2025, 09:50:53 PM
Post by: kippaxvilla2 on May 08, 2025, 09:58:57 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 08, 2025, 10:05:22 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 08, 2025, 10:12:56 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 08, 2025, 10:15:57 PM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 08, 2025, 10:23:38 PM
Post by: VillaTim on May 08, 2025, 10:26:27 PM
He might have picked it up against Fulham. Some peopleFair pointmoanedcommented that "he better not have been taken off for a standing ovation" at the time. Maybe he was feeling it then.
Post by: Percy McCarthy on May 08, 2025, 10:33:43 PM
Tanswell is great, Bren. Give him a chance, or check out some of his other work. Young guy, used to play to a high level in his teens, football analysis and journalism has become his thing and he knows his stuff when he writes and tweets tactics based on how we play.
I concur. So much better than Gregggggg Evans.
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 09, 2025, 11:34:34 AM
Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Maatsen
Kamara Onana
McGinn Rogers Ramsay
Watkins
Still a very strong side
Post by: LeeB on May 09, 2025, 11:36:57 AM
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2025, 11:38:44 AM
Post by: OCD on May 09, 2025, 11:39:20 AM
Still a very strong side
What about the bench though? That's been a huge part of us winning games over the past few months.
Post by: London Villan on May 09, 2025, 11:46:17 AM
Post by: Dave on May 09, 2025, 12:01:37 PM
Still a very strong side
What about the bench though? That's been a huge part of us winning games over the past few months.
Olsen
Garcia
Disasi
Mings
Digne
Barkley
Malen
Asensio
Bailey
Still stronger than any bench we've ever put out prior to this season.
Post by: Drummond on May 09, 2025, 12:24:52 PM
Konsa Disasi Torres Maatsen
Kamara Onana
Bailey Rogers McGinn
Watkins
Ramsey, Asensio, Barkley and Digne as subs when we're 3-1 up on 65 mins
Post by: Somniloquism on May 09, 2025, 02:18:33 PM
Quote
Manager Unai Emery was questioned about the midfielder's condition at his pre-match press conference at Bodymoor Heath on Friday.
"He's injured and he's not available for tomorrow," Emery said.
"We will test him again next week. It's a small injury and we will test him again next week. He's not available for tomorrow."
Post by: usav on May 09, 2025, 04:31:38 PM
Post by: PeterWithesShin on May 09, 2025, 05:03:31 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 09, 2025, 05:49:48 PM
Time for Mr Onana to show why we paid £50mil for
Martinez
Cash Konsa Torres Maatsen
Kamara Onana
McGinn Rogers Ramsay
Watkins
Still a very strong side
Id go Mings over Torres too but looks like that ship has sailed.
Agreed on Onana, time to step up and deliver from the start. That pitch always seems to play very tight and that's a powerful team.
Post by: Rigadon on May 09, 2025, 05:56:41 PM
QuoteManager Unai Emery was questioned about the midfielder's condition at his pre-match press conference at Bodymoor Heath on Friday.
"He's injured and he's not available for tomorrow," Emery said.
"We will test him again next week. It's a small injury and we will test him again next week. He's not available for tomorrow."
See you in 2026 then.
Post by: ldavfc4eva on May 09, 2025, 06:07:28 PM
Shame if so for both as Digne has been one of the players of the season IMO, whilst Tyrone hasn’t let us down at all, especially when you think of the injury he has come back from, hope I’m proved wrong and both are here next season.
Also wouldn’t play Asensio or Disasi as I don’t think we will sign them either, as long as we have other who are fit and ready to play that is.
Post by: PaulWinch again on May 09, 2025, 08:24:29 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on May 09, 2025, 10:36:13 PM
I think we should play the best team we can, whatever that is, for the remaining games. Whether a player is with us next year isn’t really important right now.
I agree in principle, with the proviso that a player who thinks he is departing might not fancy sustaining an injury in a fabled 50/50 challenge.
Post by: VillaTim on May 09, 2025, 10:46:27 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on May 09, 2025, 11:19:20 PM
RIP Youri.
His like will not be there again, as we used to paraphrase the Bard when I was young.
Post by: AV84 on May 20, 2025, 07:33:56 PM
Post by: Dave on May 20, 2025, 07:50:09 PM
Gary Neville has him in his team of the season.
It might be that Gary Neville is a wise scholar of the game and knows a great player when he sees one.
BUT. I think if you look at the stats that the xG nerds all look at, Tielemans and Rice are statistically the two best central midfielders on "carries" and stuff like that.
So he might just be cribbing from other people's stats.
If he's got Robinson from Fulham at left-back, reckon he's just lifting from someone else.
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2025, 09:18:22 PM
Post by: eamonn on May 20, 2025, 09:40:05 PM
Post by: cdbearsfan on May 20, 2025, 09:44:25 PM
Post by: Richard on May 20, 2025, 09:47:37 PM
In fairness, Villa didn't consider Durán for goal of the season...
Was thinking exactly the same, a travesty really as his goal v Everton was the best scored by a Villa player this season so petty not to include it.
Post by: Beard82 on May 20, 2025, 09:50:32 PM
I mean, who can forget Youris goal against Byern
Post by: Olneythelonely on May 21, 2025, 07:26:54 AM
In fairness, Villa didn't consider Durán for goal of the season...
Was thinking exactly the same, a travesty really as his goal v Everton was the best scored by a Villa player this season so petty not to include it.
It’s not petty, it’s because they want to give the award to someone actually at the awards evening. It doesn’t really matter, it’s just a bit of fun. We can still call it our fave.
Post by: eamonn on May 21, 2025, 09:24:00 AM
Post by: Somniloquism on May 21, 2025, 09:25:33 AM
Post by: Dogtanian on May 21, 2025, 02:44:38 PM
https://sportwitness.co.uk/manager-angry-over-sneaky-and-insidious-injury-blame-sent-to-aston-villa/ (https://sportwitness.co.uk/manager-angry-over-sneaky-and-insidious-injury-blame-sent-to-aston-villa/)
How dare we play our players!
Post by: Louzie0 on May 21, 2025, 03:38:35 PM
Belgium boss reveals it's not a problem if Tielemans doesn't play on Sunday, as long as he's fit for his qualifiers...
https://sportwitness.co.uk/manager-angry-over-sneaky-and-insidious-injury-blame-sent-to-aston-villa/ (https://sportwitness.co.uk/manager-angry-over-sneaky-and-insidious-injury-blame-sent-to-aston-villa/)
How dare we play our players!
That’s a quite understandable take from his international manager, who has targets of his own to reach and Tielemans mentally booked in to help achieve them.
The link makes it look as if he’s saying Villa are sneaky and insidious in their behaviour, which he may believe.
If I were Youri I would want to finish a fabulous season by helping to see off the Mancs on the pitch on Sunday, but then, I’m unlikely to be called up to play for Belgium so I’m as biased as their manager.
(No objections if they think I would be useful; no anti 🇧🇪 here! Will need a Belgian grandparent…)
Post by: pauliewalnuts on May 21, 2025, 05:10:34 PM
Post by: Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air on May 21, 2025, 10:14:17 PM
The accolades are well deserved on the back of a tremendous campaign for the Belgian, who has been crucial to the club’s strong 2024/25 season with his performances across all competitions.
Tielemans collected the awards on stage during a prestigious ceremony in the Lower Grounds at Villa Park as players and staff came together for the event, which was hosted by VillaTV’s Kate Tracey.
Recognition from his peers and the Villa faithful arrives after the 28-year-old’s contribution to competing for a top-five finish in the Premier League, reaching the quarter-finals of the UEFA Champions League and a run to the FA Cup semi-finals.
Tielemans had started every top-flight fixture until injury ruled him out of the team’s past two matches, while he also started all 12 outings in Europe and every FA Cup tilt.
He’s registered five goals and ten assists in 52 appearances this term, winning the club’s Player of the Month awards in October and April.
https://www.avfc.co.uk/news/2025/may/21/2025-player-awards-winners-men/
(https://i.ibb.co/wN71yb2C/ccddc950-3686-11f0-8c5f-b1ab89cb8f3d.jpg) (https://ibb.co/wN71yb2C)
Post by: darren woolley on May 22, 2025, 07:47:10 AM
Post by: LeeB on May 22, 2025, 07:50:30 AM
He deserves both awards.
Agreed Daz, tremendous player.
Post by: Mister E on May 22, 2025, 07:51:31 AM
Post by: Tuscans on May 22, 2025, 11:16:03 AM
@JPercyTelegraph
Post by: Somniloquism on May 22, 2025, 11:29:30 AM
Post by: Monty on May 22, 2025, 11:49:54 AM
As a freebie, Youri's wages must be up there already. Surprised with Mings though. I would love him to stay but just don't see much game time for him.
Tanswell said recently that Emery absolutely saw Mings and Torres together though. Maybe there's a preseason together in some new system that he has in mind.
Post by: Drummond on May 22, 2025, 12:09:12 PM
Cash Konsa Mings Torres
Konsa. Bade Mings Torres
Post by: OCD on May 22, 2025, 12:14:21 PM
As a freebie, Youri's wages must be up there already. Surprised with Mings though. I would love him to stay but just don't see much game time for him.
Unless we structured it with a huge signing on bonus so we could keep the salary down.
Post by: Dave on May 22, 2025, 12:23:38 PM
Surprised with Mings though. I would love him to stay but just don't see much game time for him.
I think that as long as he's happy to accept an ever-decreasing playing time role and the salary that goes with it then he's probably worth keeping hold of for a long while yet.
The Joel Ward at Palace / Lewis Dunk at Brighton / Johnny Evans at Man Utd role. Ideally not playing more than a dozen matches per season if everyone else is fit, but dependable when called upon and adding far more to the club than just what they do on the pitch.
It's not like his style of play is going to see him get worse as he gets older.
Post by: Duncan Shaw on May 22, 2025, 12:28:24 PM
Post by: Hookeysmith on May 22, 2025, 01:00:14 PM
Konsa Mings Torres Maatsen
Cash Konsa Mings Torres
Konsa. Bade Mings Torres
That looks like an Alex McCleish attacking line up :)
Post by: usav on May 22, 2025, 01:57:51 PM
Konsa Mings Torres Maatsen Maybe
Cash Konsa Mings Torres No
Konsa. Bade Mings Torres Hell no
Post by: Somniloquism on May 22, 2025, 02:02:34 PM
Post by: brontebilly on May 22, 2025, 03:55:57 PM
Surely it is Konsa, Torres, Mings in a back three with Maatsen wing-backing on the left and Frimpong on the right.
Will send the site into meltdown if that happens.
Post by: Toronto Villa on May 22, 2025, 06:34:24 PM
Surprised with Mings though. I would love him to stay but just don't see much game time for him.
I think that as long as he's happy to accept an ever-decreasing playing time role and the salary that goes with it then he's probably worth keeping hold of for a long while yet.
The Joel Ward at Palace / Lewis Dunk at Brighton / Johnny Evans at Man Utd role. Ideally not playing more than a dozen matches per season if everyone else is fit, but dependable when called upon and adding far more to the club than just what they do on the pitch.
It's not like his style of play is going to see him get worse as he gets older.
Yep. Plenty of games to go round and naturally left sided. Also he has off the field interests so he can start to focus on that gradually while being an important leader at the club. And the stats show how much better we are with him in defence. So while we need to do that with Pau we have a solid back up when needed.
Post by: Tuscans on June 09, 2025, 01:45:50 PM
Post by: ChicagoLion on June 09, 2025, 02:44:31 PM
thankfully its not a typical Emery systemSurely it is Konsa, Torres, Mings in a back three with Maatsen wing-backing on the left and Frimpong on the right.
Will send the site into meltdown if that happens.
Post by: eamonn on June 09, 2025, 05:35:16 PM
Youri Tielemans: “There’s nothing definitive or ruled out about whether I’ll stay or leave. But I feel good at Aston Villa — I feel a lot of confidence from the club & the manager..”
Huh...fuck off to Juventus then and watch your career go to shite.
Only messin' but yeah, we'd want, what £55m at least, right ?
Post by: AV84 on June 09, 2025, 06:48:46 PM
Post by: adrenachrome on June 09, 2025, 06:55:57 PM
Post by: Rudy Can't Fail on June 09, 2025, 08:55:59 PM
Youri Tielemans: “There’s nothing definitive or ruled out about whether I’ll stay or leave. But I feel good at Aston Villa — I feel a lot of confidence from the club & the manager..”
Huh...fuck off to Juventus then and watch your career go to shite.
Only messin' but yeah, we'd want, what £55m at least, right ?
Double it. Man U were wanting £100m for O Rato.
Post by: LeeS on June 09, 2025, 10:25:44 PM
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Post by: eamonn on June 10, 2025, 02:07:07 AM
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Post by: Dante Lavelli on June 10, 2025, 08:11:29 AM
I'm hoping the Tielemens quotes are taking out of context/poor translation, as I wouldn't want to be losing him this summer. I wouldn't imagine that is being contemplated.
The club have that policy where each player is given a value that the club would consider selling. We are relatively well supplied in that position (and could pick up Luiz cheap) so maybe their RRP is not astronomical. I doubt we want to sell, or Youri want to leave, but the price might be such that he could land a “Real Madrid” or whatever so he needs to consider his options.
Post by: PeterWithe on August 16, 2025, 06:27:41 AM
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Midfielder was the players’ player and supporters’ player of last season and is determined to help break the club’s near 30-year trophy drought
The smile on Youri Tielemans’s face widens as he discusses the time Unai Emery visited him in Quorn, the Leicestershire village he has called home since arriving in England six years ago. “The initial conversation was about my ideas as a player, where I wanted to play and how I saw myself and he quite liked me because he came back a second time,” Tielemans says, laughing. “It was really about understanding each other. And I think we clicked the first time we met.”
Fast-forward two years and Tielemans, who joined Aston Villa as a free agent after leaving Leicester, has established himself as an indispensable cog in Emery’s machine. He has been considered a classy midfielder since making his Champions League debut for Anderlecht aged 16 and has proved a dependable force for Villa, an intelligent operator whether sniffing danger or shifting possession. The 28-year-old thinks carefully on and off the pitch, valuing sleep and nutrition; he is teetotal and those close to him highlight the only fizzy drink he may consume is sparkling water.
In January, before Tielemans returned to his former club Monaco with Villa in the Champions League, Emery said Tielemans’s “best quality is in his mind, his mentality”.
He is an affable, but private character, laser-focused on family and football. He clocked up 60 matches for club and country last season, including 52 starts for Villa. The last match was in Brussels in June, a wild 4-3 World Cup qualifying victory over Wales. Tielemans scored with a sweet first-time finish and laid on Kevin De Bruyne with a magnificent cross for Belgium’s winner.
“I always feel like once I’m in that rhythm, I feel the best I can be. When I’m in that rhythm, you just play, recover, play, recover and you just get used to it and hopefully I can do that again.
“We’re well tracked by medical and technical staff – there are a lot of things going on backstage, I would say, where you have to just give your body the best chance possible to perform.”
A marathon campaign called for some downtime with his wife, Mendy, and their three daughters, aged eight, five and one. So, what did his summer look like? “Just following the kids around, to be honest … that’s a lot of work sometimes,” he says, smiling. “But I enjoy it. I just want to be there for them, to watch them grow up. It’s the main thing for me as a father. They all have their own characters – they’re so different from each other – but when we play together it’s just so enjoyable.”
Despite a near-flawless run at the end of last season – Villa won 10 of their last 11 league matches before a final-day trip to Manchester United – hopes of qualifying for the Champions League in successive seasons unravelled with defeat at Old Trafford. The worst bit for Tielemans was he was watching at home, powerless to influence things owing to a calf niggle.
“Looking back at last season, there were some games where we lost a few points and you think: ‘How on earth did that happen?’ That’s where this season you want to make sure you don’t lose those stupid points. There were a few games where we analysed them back and said to ourselves: ‘This can’t happen.’”
Tielemans does not pinpoint particular matches, but the failure to beat Ipswich and squandering victory against Bournemouth at Villa Park with seconds to play left a sour taste.
“There were a few games where the manager was a bit frustrated that he didn’t have all the players available due to injuries and other problems,” he says. “He really wants that availability this season to be able to make changes whenever a player is tired, because that’s what cost us as well.”
It is hard to imagine now, but Tielemans had a slow start to life at Villa; the 2023-24 season was four months old by the time of his first league start. Emery described Tielemans’s first season as an adaptation period. What did Tielemans have to change?
“It was just that my levels were not good enough at the time,” he says. Was that something he acknowledged then? “No, no,” he says, exploding into laughter. “Once you’re in it, you don’t realise what’s going on. But, looking back, that’s the beauty of life, really; you understand, you try and learn from what’s happened.
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2025, 09:51:00 AM
Post by: brontebilly on August 16, 2025, 10:08:19 AM
Fine player and a credit to Emery's coaching and man management. Took him a long time to get going but showed his class last season. Might see some bids for him in next couple of weeks.
Post by: eamonn on August 16, 2025, 11:55:42 AM