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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #270 on: July 27, 2023, 11:44:21 AM »
It doesn't help that every one of their presenters look like they'd be last pick in PE.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #271 on: July 27, 2023, 12:09:56 PM »
Watched most of it this morning - Tielemans was a class act. We are shaping some formidable midfield this season!

Another striker, RB, and backup GK and the sky is the limit.

Win this weekend, at least matching Chelsea's result, and we're crowned Premier League Champions.... of America! UTV   ;)

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #272 on: July 27, 2023, 12:25:37 PM »
The problem with his argument about too many minutes in the legs is that for every example you can give of a player who peaked early there's a Milner/Young/Messi/etc who was playing regularly as a teenager and is still going in their mid to late 30s.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #273 on: July 27, 2023, 12:32:17 PM »
The problem with his argument about too many minutes in the legs is that for every example you can give of a player who peaked early there's a Milner/Young/Messi/etc who was playing regularly as a teenager and is still going in their mid to late 30s.
Yes.  It's an interesting issue to highlight but by no means a hard and fast rule of thumb.  I think they give it validity because of his drop off last season, but there could be any number of reasons for that.

It's something I hadn't thought about anyway and something worth keeping an eye on.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #274 on: July 27, 2023, 12:40:06 PM »
The main reason most of the Leicester team played badly last season was that they stuck with Brenda too long.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #275 on: July 27, 2023, 12:42:11 PM »
As Monty says my real problem with tifo is that the analysis always seems to start from them having an idea that they make the data fit to.

They then make a video that tries to paint that idea as the only way to interpret things and they handwave anything that doesn't fit.

From that specific video when he's talking about the defensive options he does mention konsa at right back but then instead of accepting it would solve many of the problems he's suggested he goes off on us needing to flip it and waste Moreno. He showed with the back 3 how that could work but just wouldn't put the 2 together.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #276 on: July 27, 2023, 12:46:43 PM »
Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #277 on: July 27, 2023, 01:12:38 PM »
The main reason most of the Leicester team played badly last season was that they stuck with Brenda too long.

Didn't he down tools at his club in France too to get his PL move? Hopefully the novelty won't wear off for him at the Villa. He might have already won the FA Cup with a screamer, we haven't won it even with a Withe-shinner since Bill Haley rocked around that friggin' clock.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #278 on: July 27, 2023, 01:31:46 PM »
Tifo don't hate Villa but they have extremely rigid (and pretentious) views on football and couldn't cope with us last year breaking their precious little model, so they dismissed us as 'lucky'.

Fuck 'em, the floppy haired little oat milk cartons.

The fact that they dismissed us as "lucky" shows they have zero idea about us.

For starters, "luck" is about as real as "magic".

But most importantly, they tried to use the data to fit the idea they already had in their heads because they couldn't understand what was happening.

And Aston Villa Football Club being strong again is not in their agenda.
« Last Edit: July 27, 2023, 01:33:23 PM by pablo_picasso »

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #279 on: July 27, 2023, 01:36:57 PM »
Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.

Well he makes the point that the first two players we signed were essentially replacements/competition for two of our best and most important players. He goes on to mention we are in need elsewhere including wide attacker (now Dialby of course), right back etc - all of which I agree entirely with.

Of course we needed depth and we trust Unai to get it right, but I don't think at the start of the summer many of us would have thought our first two signings (at almost our record fees) would have been a left sided centre back and a player very similar to Doug.  However we feel about Unai, I think it was a reasonable analysis to make.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #280 on: July 27, 2023, 03:26:13 PM »
Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.

Well he makes the point that the first two players we signed were essentially replacements/competition for two of our best and most important players. He goes on to mention we are in need elsewhere including wide attacker (now Dialby of course), right back etc - all of which I agree entirely with.

Of course we needed depth and we trust Unai to get it right, but I don't think at the start of the summer many of us would have thought our first two signings (at almost our record fees) would have been a left sided centre back and a player very similar to Doug.  However we feel about Unai, I think it was a reasonable analysis to make.

The signings quite clearly haven't made us worse. Even if we signed the second, third and fouth best keepers in the world after Emi, we'd have too many keepers, but they wouldn't make us worse. Load of nonsense.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #281 on: July 27, 2023, 03:29:40 PM »
This week on Tifo, is Aston Villa’s bench too strong?

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #282 on: July 27, 2023, 03:43:22 PM »
Also the title of the video is just blatant click bait shite. You could argue that any signing for any team in the world could potentially make that team worse, but generally adding quality players to an already good squad with an excellent manager in charge is going to be beneficial overall.

Well he makes the point that the first two players we signed were essentially replacements/competition for two of our best and most important players. He goes on to mention we are in need elsewhere including wide attacker (now Dialby of course), right back etc - all of which I agree entirely with.

Of course we needed depth and we trust Unai to get it right, but I don't think at the start of the summer many of us would have thought our first two signings (at almost our record fees) would have been a left sided centre back and a player very similar to Doug.  However we feel about Unai, I think it was a reasonable analysis to make.

The signings quite clearly haven't made us worse. Even if we signed the second, third and fouth best keepers in the world after Emi, we'd have too many keepers, but they wouldn't make us worse. Load of nonsense.
No of course not.  Really his hypothesis was does Torres make us worse if he replaces Mings.  I think in isolation it probably does defensively, hence the clickbait headline.  But of course we all know team set up doesn't work like that.

I don't know why people get so sensitive about this stuff.  It's a reasonable analysis that I mostly agreed with (as was their video on XG last season).  He hasn't shagged your Mom, he's just made a video discussing Aston Villa's signings.  It's good that we're in the conversation.     

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #283 on: July 27, 2023, 03:45:09 PM »
All I said was the title is clickbait shite. It is.

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Re: Youri Tielemans (confirmed)
« Reply #284 on: July 27, 2023, 03:45:55 PM »
All I said was the title is clickbait shite. It is.
I agree.

 


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