Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: eamonn on May 01, 2023, 05:18:23 PM
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...are now goalscoring bedfellows. Edit: After Dixie Dean, the only top-flight players to reach 50 goals in one campaign, Pongo having first achieved it for the Villa in 1930/31.
Of course, Haaland is some type of AI-robot built at NASA's Norwegian base. Pongo was but a humble chap from Birkenhead (like future Villa legends) and he did it on crap pitches, in itchy football shirts and no jobsworths at Stockley Park to award him more penalties/question whether he was offside or not.
Sadly, the Man City chap will likely smash Pongo's record in the last month of the season.
I'm just surprised that this record is not something that is mentioned more by Villa fans. I didn't realise or had forgotten that our Mr Waring held such a record for the Villa until Jonathan Pearce mentioned it on commentary on MOTD last night - who knew there was more to us than '82... ::)
Cue the Peter Morris story:
"Every time you come here it must bring back memories Pongo," I said. He stared out for a long while. I thought he'd forgotten I was there. "Aye", he said suddenly "aye, they're a great club...the greatest." I stood and looked with him, this old man whose goals had set the Villa crowds roaring so long ago. It was not quite dusk on that March afternoon and I saw them too...
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Dixie Dean’s got the record with 60.
Pongo’s 49 came in the league - plus one in the cup to make 50. Hopefully the new guy won’t get Pongo’s record in the league.
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Ah ok, if DD has the overall record, that makes sense. Presumably he scored more than 49 league goals? Even Haaland will do well to get to that in this or any season.
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Ah ok, if DD has the overall record, that makes sense. Presumably he scored more than 49 league goals? Even Haaland will do well to get to that in this or any season.
It would really sum up Everton's currently plight if, as well as them going down, Harland broke Dixie Dean's goals record for a season.
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Didn't Dixie Dean and Pongo Waring both start out at Tranmere Rovers?
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This has been brought to my attention and I've said that Pongo would have got 70 if they had European football then.
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Didn't Dixie Dean and Pongo Waring both start out at Tranmere Rovers?
Yeah, spoke to an Evertonian mate about this quite often, but Tranmere only just missed out on having a Waring-Dean front line - they were only about a season apart. Can't find the source right now, but sure I read somewhere that Pongo had played school football or something like that against Dixie Dean.
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Ah ok, if DD has the overall record, that makes sense. Presumably he scored more than 49 league goals? Even Haaland will do well to get to that in this or any season.
60 in the league alone. A few more in the cup and internationals I think.
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Of course, Haaland is some type of AI-robot built at NASA's Norwegian base.
The first rule of being a successful athlete: choose your parents carefully :-) Father a footballer in the top division in the UK, mother a Norwegian hepthalon national champion. AFAIK he still holds the world record for longest standing still jump for five-year olds. (Also, his grandmother apparently still holds the regional record for a 60 meters run for 11-year olds, set back in 1964). Three of his cousins play professional football in Norway.
(Forgot to mention the distance)
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Ah ok, if DD has the overall record, that makes sense. Presumably he scored more than 49 league goals? Even Haaland will do well to get to that in this or any season.
It would really sum up Everton's currently plight if, as well as them going down, Harland broke Dixie Dean's goals record for a season.
IIRC Dixie Dean had 60 league goals and 3 FA cup goals in his best season. 63 goals. I cannot imagine anyone breaking that anytime soon.
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Didn't Dixie Dean and Pongo Waring both start out at Tranmere Rovers?
Yeah, spoke to an Evertonian mate about this quite often, but Tranmere only just missed out on having a Waring-Dean front line - they were only about a season apart. Can't find the source right now, but sure I read somewhere that Pongo had played school football or something like that against Dixie Dean.
Quite possible as they were born three and a half months apart. Waring was born 12th October 1906 and Dean on 22nd January 1907 according to Wikipedia.
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Dixie Dean 60 goals in 39 league games in 1927/28 is the English record.
The British record is Jimmy Smith for Ayr United, 66 goals in 38 games in the same season.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
Bit over the top, though. He could've just given him a good bollocking.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
Reminded me of a 12-year delayed Mafia revenge murder for a punch in the face back in the sixties/seventies.
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You're never going to forget physical assault and not feel sore about it, no matter how long ago.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
Reminded me of a 12-year delayed Mafia revenge murder for a punch in the face back in the sixties/seventies.
About 10 years ago some bloke was asking for change outside the offie up by me, was about 9 o'clock, quite dark and nobody else about. I was about to cough up as he looked worse for wear but then I recognised him as the ****** that had put my mate in hospital unprovoked when he was 16, which would've been about 20 years before. I was so close to giving him a shoeing on the spot, I'm glad I didn't in hindsight and it's enough to know his life choices had led to that anyway.
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Haaland has only needed 44 games to bring up his half-century - with 34 Premier League goals, 12 in the Champions League, three in the FA Cup and one in the Carabao Cup.
Anyone know how many matches Pongo played in his record breaking season as he only played 44 games that season if he was an ever-present. And in those days, if you started you played the 90.
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He played 39 league games and one cup game
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
Reminded me of a 12-year delayed Mafia revenge murder for a punch in the face back in the sixties/seventies.
Did they know they was punching mafia? Obviously it's pretty unlucky if they didn't.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
Reminded me of a 12-year delayed Mafia revenge murder for a punch in the face back in the sixties/seventies.
Did they know they was punching mafia? Obviously it's pretty unlucky if they didn't.
Sorry mate, it was in the middle of an eight-part podcast. I can’t recall for sure and I’m not listening again yet. I will do one day though. Because of the time span and number of members, there are literally hundreds of compelling Cosa Nostra stories. It’s so hard to keep track.
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I don't understand why sky sports insist on picking out selective stats of the Premier League era when there are what, 110-120 more years of football that existed before they changed the name of the league in the early 90s. If they are going to do that, then they need to start the history books again every time the sponsors name changes. Halaand is currently the third highest scorer behind Dean & Waring in English top division league football. And he has done that with half of the worlds finances being used to purchase his current squad. The likes of Dean & Waring did it on boggy pitches with a football that weighed more than Halaands ego.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
Reminded me of a 12-year delayed Mafia revenge murder for a punch in the face back in the sixties/seventies.
Did they know they was punching mafia? Obviously it's pretty unlucky if they didn't.
Sorry mate, it was in the middle of an eight-part podcast. I can’t recall for sure and I’m not listening again yet. I will do one day though. Because of the time span and number of members, there are literally hundreds of compelling Cosa Nostra stories. It’s so hard to keep track.
What was the pod called? I'll check it out myself.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
Reminded me of a 12-year delayed Mafia revenge murder for a punch in the face back in the sixties/seventies.
Did they know they was punching mafia? Obviously it's pretty unlucky if they didn't.
Sorry mate, it was in the middle of an eight-part podcast. I can’t recall for sure and I’m not listening again yet. I will do one day though. Because of the time span and number of members, there are literally hundreds of compelling Cosa Nostra stories. It’s so hard to keep track.
What was the pod called? I'll check it out myself.
Mafia Tapes. It’s a great story.
Many more mob recommendations available.
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I don't understand why sky sports insist on picking out selective stats of the Premier League era when there are what, 110-120 more years of football that existed before they changed the name of the league in the early 90s. If they are going to do that, then they need to start the history books again every time the sponsors name changes. Halaand is currently the third highest scorer behind Dean & Waring in English top division league football. And he has done that with half of the worlds finances being used to purchase his current squad. The likes of Dean & Waring did it on boggy pitches with a football that weighed more than Halaands ego.
I suppose the counter argument to that is that Haaland is doing it against better defenders from a far wider pool of players. Not to mention that tactical innovations have caught up with the change in the offside rule in 1925 which statistics suggest teams were struggling with in the 20s and 30s.
Not making out Haaland is any better than those players of old, just that it's impossible to compare.
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I don't understand why sky sports insist on picking out selective stats of the Premier League era when there are what, 110-120 more years of football that existed before they changed the name of the league in the early 90s. If they are going to do that, then they need to start the history books again every time the sponsors name changes. Halaand is currently the third highest scorer behind Dean & Waring in English top division league football. And he has done that with half of the worlds finances being used to purchase his current squad. The likes of Dean & Waring did it on boggy pitches with a football that weighed more than Halaands ego.
I suppose the counter argument to that is that Haaland is doing it against better defenders from a far wider pool of players. Not to mention that tactical innovations have caught up with the change in the offside rule in 1925 which statistics suggest teams were struggling with in the 20s and 30s.
Not making out Haaland is any better than those players of old, just that it's impossible to compare.
and this is why Sky do this:
I don't understand why sky sports insist on picking out selective stats of the Premier League era when there are what, 110-120 more years of football that existed before they changed the name of the league in the early 90s. If they are going to do that, then they need to start the history books again every time the sponsors name changes. Halaand is currently the third highest scorer behind Dean & Waring in English top division league football. And he has done that with half of the worlds finances being used to purchase his current squad. The likes of Dean & Waring did it on boggy pitches with a football that weighed more than Halaands ego.
Making direct comparisons from decade to decade is tough enough, once you're getting to 50-60 year timescales there are so many changes that it's almost impossible to give a fair comparison. It doesn't mean the achievements of the past are any less spectacular, it just means they might as well have come in a different sport.
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Mafia Tapes. It’s a great story.
Many more mob recommendations available.
Cheers Percy.
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Overtook Pongo tonight. Was that Grealish setting him up? Cheers Jack...
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Mafia Tapes. It’s a great story.
Many more mob recommendations available.
Cheers Percy.
My pleasure. I listened to the first couple of episodes again - very enjoyable so thanks for reminding me. I’d be interested to know what you think of it.
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I don't understand why sky sports insist on picking out selective stats of the Premier League era when there are what, 110-120 more years of football that existed before they changed the name of the league in the early 90s. If they are going to do that, then they need to start the history books again every time the sponsors name changes. Halaand is currently the third highest scorer behind Dean & Waring in English top division league football. And he has done that with half of the worlds finances being used to purchase his current squad. The likes of Dean & Waring did it on boggy pitches with a football that weighed more than Halaands ego.
I suppose the counter argument to that is that Haaland is doing it against better defenders from a far wider pool of players. Not to mention that tactical innovations have caught up with the change in the offside rule in 1925 which statistics suggest teams were struggling with in the 20s and 30s.
Not making out Haaland is any better than those players of old, just that it's impossible to compare.
and this is why Sky do this:
I don't understand why sky sports insist on picking out selective stats of the Premier League era when there are what, 110-120 more years of football that existed before they changed the name of the league in the early 90s. If they are going to do that, then they need to start the history books again every time the sponsors name changes. Halaand is currently the third highest scorer behind Dean & Waring in English top division league football. And he has done that with half of the worlds finances being used to purchase his current squad. The likes of Dean & Waring did it on boggy pitches with a football that weighed more than Halaands ego.
Making direct comparisons from decade to decade is tough enough, once you're getting to 50-60 year timescales there are so many changes that it's almost impossible to give a fair comparison. It doesn't mean the achievements of the past are any less spectacular, it just means they might as well have come in a different sport.
Its not just 60 years timescale that they do it, they have been doing it ever since 1990.
They were ignoring 1989 in 1992...
To me, the fairest way to make the comparison is to just count the top division from inception to present day.
Yes, technology, pools of talent, rules, etc, move on, but so will the records that reflect that.
Otherwise it is just subjective selective stats to fit a narrative.
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I love how salty City fans are getting over people finding Haaland's record...well, dull. I think they must assume everybody is as overjoyed as they are that they've gamed everything at their disposal to eradicate any form of meaningful competition in this league.
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It's a pretty big achievement, regardless of which team you're in, to score a goal a game.
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It is a big achievement, but it's not a surprising one. Before the season started I'd been telling people he'd probably get 50.
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I agree with that.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
I am confused now as I didn’t know if there was such a word as bollock. Always thought there was no singular for bollocks.
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I was listening to a podcast and they mentioned how Dixie Dean had to have a bollock removed after a nasty challenge for Tranmere when he was 17. Then 17 years later in a pub in Chester a man brought him a pint and he recognised it was the one who caused him to lose a bollock so he went over and battered him. Haven't looked this up but it's quite funny to retaliate 17 years later if it is.
I am confused now as I didn’t know if there was such a word as bollock. Always thought there was no singular for bollocks.
You've obviously never dropped one.