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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Bad English on October 05, 2022, 05:28:34 AM
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Monday 10th October 8pm.
Forest need points. They're playing us.
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Nervy win by the odd goal
2-1 to us
McGinn and Mings for us, one of the 100 new players they have signed for them
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0-3 Watkins, Buendia, Ramsey
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Gerrard better not lose this one.
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We’ll win this and limp on.
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From what I saw of Forest, particularly their midfield, they look wide open. I that's still the case on Monday I expect us to win comfortably. The underlying issues remain and it won't be games like this that allay the fears of a large proportion of the fanbase.
0-3
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We're not playing well, they're desperate.
It's obliging Villa I fear.
2-1.
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I know it's not popular on here but I'd go back to two up front for this and play Watkins and Archer with maybe Buendia just behind. We'd still have the three in midfield which should be enough if their midfield is as bad as suggested.
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I can see us winning 2-1.
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A ship steadying 0-0.
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On paper we should win this one, but g'rr'rd's version of Aston Villa is often a disappointing one. I want to win because of what it would mean for Aston Villa ...as a club we need the 3 points. So come on the players do it for yourselves and the fans! UTV!
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I know it's not popular on here but I'd go back to two up front for this and play Watkins and Archer with maybe Buendia just behind. We'd still have the three in midfield which should be enough if their midfield is as bad as suggested.
But you know he would play Old Man Ings.
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3-1 to Forest
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Stevie G at Anfield last night to see Liverpool play the weakest team in the group. I reckon he wasn't talent spotting but was 'formation' spotting as we are playing probably the weakest team in the league next!!
Liverpool played a 4,2,3 1.
Bereft of his own ideas and subject to injuries he might go for:
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz McGinn
Buendia Coutinho Ramsey
Forrest Gump
Let the full backs attack and give McGinn licence to attack when appropriate. Have Archer on the bench ready to replace Gump after he bangs his head off the corner flag. :D
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If we win, their manager will be sacked. If they win, ours will be.
I like their manager, I don't like ours. I quite like Forest but I love the Villa. It's a right pickle.
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There was a time when Villa fans used to appreciate their number 9's. There's obviously an element now with their childish nicknames where it's all about the bantz. They're soooo funny... in their own minds.
I hope Ollie bags the winner vs forest! UTV!
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There was a time when Villa number 9s scored goals.
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2-0.
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I can see us scoring 0 so it’s just a question of how many they score.
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There was a time when Villa fans used to appreciate their number 9's. There's obviously an element now with their childish nicknames where it's all about the bantz. They're soooo funny... in their own minds.
I hope Ollie bags the winner vs forest! UTV!
Sorry Abbeyfealeavfc, just my flustration getting the better of me.
To be honest, it is all not Ollie's fault. He was getting accolades galore, even selected for England, based on his workrate and running ability. He can be excused for thinking that's all he had to do.
The message needs to be rammed home that goals matter. Running towards the goal posts instead of the corner flag would be a good start.
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I know it's not popular on here but I'd go back to two up front for this and play Watkins and Archer with maybe Buendia just behind. We'd still have the three in midfield which should be enough if their midfield is as bad as suggested.
But you know he would play Old Man Ings.
I think he will...drop Bailey and play Coutinho at 10.
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There was a time when Villa fans used to appreciate their number 9's. There's obviously an element now with their childish nicknames where it's all about the bantz. They're soooo funny... in their own minds.
I hope Ollie bags the winner vs forest! UTV!
Sorry Abbeyfealeavfc, just my flustration getting the better of me.
To be honest, it is all not Ollie's fault. He was getting accolades galore, even selected for England, based on his workrate and running ability. He can be excused for thinking that's all he had to do.
The message needs to be rammed home that goals matter. Running towards the goal posts instead of the corner flag would be a good start.
No problem mate. Tbh I'm just as frustrated with our performances and results as you probably are, but see it as a general malaise surrounding the club that no individual player is responsible for.
Hopefully next Monday night we can celebrate a Villa win and hopefully a goal from Ollie, so that he can get out of the rut that he's currently in following what was a good start to the season for him personally.
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0-0
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There was a time when Villa fans used to appreciate their number 9's. There's obviously an element now with their childish nicknames where it's all about the bantz. They're soooo funny... in their own minds.
I hope Ollie bags the winner vs forest! UTV!
Sorry Abbeyfealeavfc, just my flustration getting the better of me.
To be honest, it is all not Ollie's fault. He was getting accolades galore, even selected for England, based on his workrate and running ability. He can be excused for thinking that's all he had to do.
The message needs to be rammed home that goals matter. Running towards the goal posts instead of the corner flag would be a good start.
No problem mate. Tbh I'm just as frustrated with our performances and results as you probably are, but see it as a general malaise surrounding the club that no individual player is responsible for.
Hopefully next Monday night we can celebrate a Villa win and hopefully a goal from Ollie, so that he can get out of the rut that he's currently in following what was a good start to the season for him personally.
To me it's all about angles. The vast majority of Watkins chances seem to be from an acute angle, any Premier League goalie worth his salt will save 95% of those. Watkins needs to focus on being more central and creating better goal scoring angles for himself. See Haaland. Much improvement needed in the goal scoring column, if not, Archer must be 'bloodied' soon.
Leave the wings open for our more creative players and attacking full backs to get the ball purposely into the box. When attacking, McGinn needs to hover around the edge of the 18 yard box to either time a run, be available for a pass or pounce on the half clearances. He has a fantastic shot but we have barely seen a goal from him in two or three years.
Coutinho has lost the gift of cutting inside and bending the ball into the far top corner. He did it nearly every other week for Liverpool. Now he cuts inside and shoots straight at the goalie. He needs to practice, practice, practice his shooting. It is no good having a one trick pony who has lost his trick. At the moment, a luxury player we can't afford to have if his goals and assists column doesn't improve.
Buendia, in my opinion, is our most creative player. He needs to start more and be given licence to roam.
When Bailey plays, he should be facing forward when he receives the ball. Currently, he gets the ball and plays backwards. His pace is wasted.
Up the tempo. Martinez needs to stop farting around on the ball and giving the opposition time to get back into defensive formation.
And so on.
There is so much more we can do as an attacking force. Defensively, in recent times we have improved and now the focus must be on improving our attacks. We have the tools required.
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A six pointer!!!
Joking, I hope…(gulps)
Pivotal one for Gerrard especially if we lose. I expect us to win and do so comfortably.
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We will win 0-2 Ollie Watkins brace
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1 - 1
Steve Stone for them
Andy Townsend or Tommy Johnson for us.
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There was a time when Villa fans used to appreciate their number 9's. There's obviously an element now with their childish nicknames where it's all about the bantz. They're soooo funny... in their own minds.
I hope Ollie bags the winner vs forest! UTV!
Sorry Abbeyfealeavfc, just my flustration getting the better of me.
To be honest, it is all not Ollie's fault. He was getting accolades galore, even selected for England, based on his workrate and running ability. He can be excused for thinking that's all he had to do.
The message needs to be rammed home that goals matter. Running towards the goal posts instead of the corner flag would be a good start.
No problem mate. Tbh I'm just as frustrated with our performances and results as you probably are, but see it as a general malaise surrounding the club that no individual player is responsible for.
Hopefully next Monday night we can celebrate a Villa win and hopefully a goal from Ollie, so that he can get out of the rut that he's currently in following what was a good start to the season for him personally.
To me it's all about angles. The vast majority of Watkins chances seem to be from an acute angle, any Premier League goalie worth his salt will save 95% of those. Watkins needs to focus on being more central and creating better goal scoring angles for himself. See Haaland. Much improvement needed in the goal scoring column, if not, Archer must be 'bloodied' soon.
Leave the wings open for our more creative players and attacking full backs to get the ball purposely into the box. When attacking, McGinn needs to hover around the edge of the 18 yard box to either time a run, be available for a pass or pounce on the half clearances. He has a fantastic shot but we have barely seen a goal from him in two or three years.
Coutinho has lost the gift of cutting inside and bending the ball into the far top corner. He did it nearly every other week for Liverpool. Now he cuts inside and shoots straight at the goalie. He needs to practice, practice, practice his shooting. It is no good having a one trick pony who has lost his trick. At the moment, a luxury player we can't afford to have if his goals and assists column doesn't improve.
Buendia, in my opinion, is our most creative player. He needs to start more and be given licence to roam.
When Bailey plays, he should be facing forward when he receives the ball. Currently, he gets the ball and plays backwards. His pace is wasted.
Up the tempo. Martinez needs to stop farting around on the ball and giving the opposition time to get back into defensive formation.
And so on.
There is so much more we can do as an attacking force. Defensively, in recent times we have improved and now the focus must be on improving our attacks. We have the tools required.
I agree about Buendia and our tempo certainly needs to increase. Also we need to get more bodies into the box to attack these "purposeful" crosses to distract defenders and offer up more space for whichever striker is playing.
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My concern with Buendia is that when he starts he's usually bright for about 15-20 mins then starts giving the ball away or vanishes from the game.
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There was a time when Villa number 9s scored goals.
Do you mean like Ollie Watkins in the last 2 seasons where he was 8th and 18th top scorer in the league?
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18th top scorer in the league. I'll add that to his Wiki page list of honours.
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My concern with Buendia is that when he starts he's usually bright for about 15-20 mins then starts giving the ball away or vanishes from the game.
He fits right in
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There was a time when Villa number 9s scored goals.
Do you mean like Ollie Watkins in the last 2 seasons where he was 8th and 18th top scorer in the league?
fucking hell mate.
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My concern with Buendia is that when he starts he's usually bright for about 15-20 mins then starts giving the ball away or vanishes from the game.
He fits right in
He's used to only playing 15- 20 minutes from the bench. Probably needs more starts to get 'conditioned' for playing 90 minutes.
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There was a time when Villa number 9s scored goals.
Do you mean like Ollie Watkins in the last 2 seasons where he was 8th and 18th top scorer in the league?
fucking hell mate.
In a league of 20 teams, where a number of the players above him are midfielders and a number come from the same clubs 18th is still easily a top half striker. Also that 18th was in a season where he'll have been disappointed not to have done better.
He's started this season poorly, in a team that has struggled to create chances (we're 17th on number of shots so far this season) and is clearly struggling to find form but the comments about him have been ridiculous since sunday.
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I saw a stat a while ago that last season he was something like the joint 6th highest scoring striker in the PL if you didn't include penalties. As has been said, these days, more often than not it's about midfielders and wide attackers scoring. The problem we have is that no one else is scoring either. After 8 league games no one has scored more than 1 goal for us, which is shit.
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I saw a stat a while ago that last season he was something like the joint 6th highest scoring striker in the PL if you didn't include penalties. As has been said, these days, more often than not it's about midfielders and wide attackers scoring. The problem we have is that no one else is scoring either. After 8 league games no one has scored more than 1 goal for us, which is shit.
Yep, our lack of goals is a team wide issue not all on his shoulders, which is why I put it down to tactics more than anything else.
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I think for some fans/posters, it's a case of pick on one player. Let's face it, other than Mings and maybe Kamara early on, no-one has been great.
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A fairly comfortable 2-0, and we continue to muddle on with Gerrard just keeping his head above water.
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We will rely on the counter. If we concede early we are fucked. I think this is the end for Gerrard. It will be a miserable game and a late goal to them wins it.
1-0 Forest.
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If we win, their manager will be sacked. If they win, ours will be.
I like their manager, I don't like ours. I quite like Forest but I love the Villa. It's a right pickle.
It's not a pickle. Whoever the opposition and personnel, like or loathe them, you always want the Villa to win.
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I know, I was being a bit tabloid.
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We will rely on the counter. If we concede early we are fucked. I think this is the end for Gerrard. It will be a miserable game and a late goal to them wins it.
1-0 Forest.
I have this vision. A possible season changing game for one or both teams
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Even we can beat this shambles. They look like us in 2015/16 but with an excuse.
Lose and Gerrard can fuck off
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Oh absolutely. Lose this and he deserves all the cabbage in B6.
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I saw a stat a while ago that last season he was something like the joint 6th highest scoring striker in the PL if you didn't include penalties. As has been said, these days, more often than not it's about midfielders and wide attackers scoring. The problem we have is that no one else is scoring either. After 8 league games no one has scored more than 1 goal for us, which is shit.
Yep, our lack of goals is a team wide issue not all on his shoulders, which is why I put it down to tactics more than anything else.
Not speaking in hindsight as it was commented on many times on here, but as last season went on it became increasingly apparent that we needed more quality in the final third. Even if we were to change formation now, we have no real wide players apart from Bailey, who is flattering to deceive.
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Given we're now a "Paul Lambert's Aston Villa" tribute act, I guess a 0-0 or 1-1 draw (if we're lucky) followed by some nonsense about how the lossless streak continues.
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Lingard to turn into Messi
2-0 to them.
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We will win 3-0 and the Villa fans will all be singing in unison "Stevie G's Claret and Blue Army"
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Forest have done a deep dive on the season so far, this has become a must win game for their manager and some of their players.
If you could pick a team that you would want as your next home game on a cold Monday Night in front of the cameras..........
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We're favourites to win and we should. IF we do, then we'll be unbeaten in 4 and probably top half. I'd then want to start to see some better football, starting against Chelsea at home. They haven't been great and have a new manager finding his feet. A draw at least should be possible there.
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Watkins to score. 0-1 to the Villa.
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Watkins to score…now there’s a novelty!!
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Not only we should win but need a performance to show we really have 'turned a corner'. Forest are awful and with our team we should be winning this.
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Not only we should win but need a performance to show we really have 'turned a corner'. Forest are awful and with our team we should be winning this.
I don't think they are that bad.
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A goal would be nice!
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Not only we should win but need a performance to show we really have 'turned a corner'. Forest are awful and with our team we should be winning this.
I don't think they are that bad.
They’re bottom on the league, have lost 5 in a row and have a -15 goal difference after 8 games. They’re as bad as anything we’re likely to face this season.
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Not only we should win but need a performance to show we really have 'turned a corner'. Forest are awful and with our team we should be winning this.
I don't think they are that bad.
They’re bottom on the league, have lost 5 in a row and have a -15 goal difference after 8 games. They’re as bad as anything we’re likely to face this season.
You mean Bournemouth, presumably?!
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Not only we should win but need a performance to show we really have 'turned a corner'. Forest are awful and with our team we should be winning this.
I don't think they are that bad.
They’re bottom on the league, have lost 5 in a row and have a -15 goal difference after 8 games. They’re as bad as anything we’re likely to face this season.
They are getting worse...
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Not only we should win but need a performance to show we really have 'turned a corner'. Forest are awful and with our team we should be winning this.
I don't think they are that bad.
They’re bottom on the league, have lost 5 in a row and have a -15 goal difference after 8 games. They’re as bad as anything we’re likely to face this season.
They remind me of us in when we came up a lot, they don't look a bad team but just give up loads of chances to the opposition, but they haven't got a Grealish.
We should do them comfortably, but I just don't think we will.
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Comfortable win for the Villa.
Think we will see an uptick in form, and gain some confidence and fluidity hopefully.
0-4 with a Watkins, Ramsey, Coutinho and McGinn.
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With Cash now being available for Monday, I'm going to say a nervy 3-2 to the good guys.
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Oh absolutely. Lose this and he deserves all the cabbage in B6.
Forget the cabbages, lose this one on Monday and he deserves his ma's pan of scouse over his head.
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Are we going there to frustrate them?
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Bailey a doubt, so put through the Aston Villa injury translator we'll see him in March.
I think the team will be:
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz Ramsey McGinn
Buendia Coutinho
Watkins
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think Watkins might be on the bench
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Can't see it being a comfortable win at all.
Forest have been competitive in all their home games, beat West Ham (more on euphoria but still 3 points) and pushed Spurs close to much of the game. Last two defeats have been poor but they've still scored in both.
Buendia certainly needs to start and pretty much guaranteed with the latest Bailey knock. This is also the sort of game where we need to give Archer a serious cameo so here's hoping.
Will go for 1-2 win but wouldn't shock me if it was a draw. I think even Gerrard's biggest defender knows what's inevitable if we conspire to lose.
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We're favourites to win and we should. IF we do, then we'll be unbeaten in 4 and probably top half. I'd then want to start to see some better football, starting against Chelsea at home. They haven't been great and have a new manager finding his feet. A draw at least should be possible there.
Lets not get too ahead of ourselves.
We're losing this and then Chelsea will be a write off.
Sorry.
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We're favourites to win and we should. IF we do, then we'll be unbeaten in 4 and probably top half. I'd then want to start to see some better football, starting against Chelsea at home. They haven't been great and have a new manager finding his feet. A draw at least should be possible there.
Lets not get too ahead of ourselves.
We're losing this and then Chelsea will be a write off.
Sorry.
Why will Chelsea be a write off? No-one gave us a chance against Man City either did they?
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If Forest are like us when we first came up we'll probably have a bit of a storm to weather for the first 20 minutes or so, but then be able to pick them off quite easily. It's the sort of game where the quality and experience should prove decisive, so I would expect Coutinho to play an important role. I think it's also the sort of game that we might see some of McGinn's better qualities, and Ramsey might get more opportunity to drive at them.
If we're going to get into Europe this year, this should be one of the more comfortable games of the season. Just like Bournemouth should have been.
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clean sheet and a win please Villa.
UTV
The Doc
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Buendia certainly needs to start and pretty much guaranteed with the latest Bailey knock. This is also the sort of game where we need to give Archer a serious cameo so here's hoping.
More likely Ings replacing Bailey.
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Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz Dedonker
Ramsey McGinn
Buendia
Watkins
I would try this
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Bailey a doubt, so put through the Aston Villa injury translator we'll see him in March.
I think the team will be:
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz Ramsey McGinn
Buendia Coutinho
Watkins
I think he might be daft enough to play Ings and Watkins again.
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If we lose this, I don't think there's any chance of him surviving.
Even a 0-0 draw would push him close.
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If Forest are like us when we first came up we'll probably have a bit of a storm to weather for the first 20 minutes or so, but then be able to pick them off quite easily. It's the sort of game where the quality and experience should prove decisive, so I would expect Coutinho to play an important role. I think it's also the sort of game that we might see some of McGinn's better qualities, and Ramsey might get more opportunity to drive at them.
If we're going to get into Europe this year, this should be one of the more comfortable games of the season. Just like Bournemouth should have been.
Europe this year?
;D
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Congratulations to Steve Cooper on his new deal, good to see a bit of loyalty from Forest, might well give them an untimely boost though…
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Agree, looking at their fans forum, virtually everyone is happy with the news, probably gonna make the atmosphere even more electric on Monday.
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Good on Forest.
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
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clean sheet and a win please Villa.
UTV
The Doc
It would really be just what the doctor ordered.
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Congratulations to Steve Cooper on his new deal, good to see a bit of loyalty from Forest, might well give them an untimely boost though…
Is there such a thing as new contract boost? If there is you know it will happen to us.
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
That's good. My one criticism of our play recently is that we haven't been boring enough. This'll do it.
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It's now like he's going out of his way to piss me off
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I couldnt care less what formation he tries as longs as it wins us games.
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At least it might indicate some flexibility in his approach.
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Why did we have our pre-match presser on a Thursday when there's four days to go to the game? All the injury news will be out of date. Gerrard Out! Villa Media Out!
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Impressed with Bednarek at Leeds.
The Bednarek who had literally nothing to do? That one?
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
The worst think about 5 at the back, other than it being 5 at the back, is that it'll be two up front. And we know what that means...
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My concern with 5 at the back is that it will have a negative impact on our free flowing and scoring attacking play.
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If it's true, team wise i'd go;
............................................Martinez....................................
.............Chambers...............Konsa.................Mings.............
Cash............................................................................Young
..........................Dendoncker...........McGinn...........................
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.........................................Coutinho......................................
..........................Ings.......................Archer............................
I think whatever formation we go with, Watkins needs a break. If Dendonker isn't fit i'd put Luiz in there.
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
The worst think about 5 at the back, other than it being 5 at the back, is that it'll be two up front. And we know what that means...
Or.....
Martinez
Chambers Konsa Mings
Cash Young
Luiz McGinn
Buendia Coutinho
Watkins
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These are absolute gash. There will no excuses here.
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These are absolute gash. There will no excuses here.
I said that before the first match of the campaign and at halftime last weekend..
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I couldnt care less what formation he tries as longs as it wins us games.
Come on Clampy, you don't think an unplanned massive change in tactics part way through the season smacks of desperation?
We all want to win, but not caring that the coaching staff clearly haven't got a clue and are grasping at straws is surely a concern?
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
The worst think about 5 at the back, other than it being 5 at the back, is that it'll be two up front. And we know what that means...
One in the hole?
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That three centre halves worked really well for us last season didn't it?
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One in the hole?
(https://c.tenor.com/QWvRtJ5CS6YAAAAM/mick-mccarthy.gif)
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
Literally the only thing I like about Gerrard is that he doesn't play five at the back. Five defenders against Nottingham Forest. Fucking Hell.
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One in the hole?
(https://c.tenor.com/QWvRtJ5CS6YAAAAM/mick-mccarthy.gif)
I will never, never tire of that
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
Literally the only thing I like about Gerrard is that he doesn't play five at the back. Five defenders against Nottingham Forest. Fucking Hell.
Gerrard needs flamethrowing.
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
Literally the only thing I like about Gerrard is that he doesn't play five at the back. Five defenders against Nottingham Forest. Fucking Hell.
I can picture the flow of the game already, a jittery home team and crowd gradually find their feet, and voice, as they find they can operate in two thirds of the pitch under absolutely no pressure whatsoever. Meanwhile, when we do win the ball back the forwards are isolated and give posession back straight away, creating successive sustained periods of pressure until eventually they score.
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
Literally the only thing I like about Gerrard is that he doesn't play five at the back. Five defenders against Nottingham Forest. Fucking Hell.
I can picture the flow of the game already, a jittery home team and crowd gradually find their feet, and voice, as they find they can operate in two thirds of the pitch under absolutely no pressure whatsoever. Meanwhile, when we do win the ball back the forwards are isolated and give posession back straight away, creating successive sustained periods of pressure until eventually they score.
Thankfully this game starts at 4am here, and I can miss the whole thing.
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Whenever there's an opportuniuty to watch the Villa on TV, I take it, because I just can't get to every game.
Monday is 5-a-side night and I'd normally ditch it to watch the Villa. This Monday I'll be playing; I just don't see it being pretty at all.
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No side has lost more games against promoted opponents in Premier League history than Aston Villa (48).
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Bailey a doubt, so put through the Aston Villa injury translator we'll see him in March.
I think the team will be:
Martinez
Cash Konsa Mings Young
Luiz Ramsey McGinn
Buendia Coutinho
Watkins
I like that selection but I think it’s time to give Archer his chance
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If we lose things will take care of themselves the following day. I’m convinced of it
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One in the hole?
(https://c.tenor.com/QWvRtJ5CS6YAAAAM/mick-mccarthy.gif)
I will never, never tire of that
Ha-ha me neither
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3 at the back you say?
https://twitter.com/johntownley11/status/1578351505911840769?t=NzQlABDXFnrmO8mlWRhQ7g&s=19
Literally the only thing I like about Gerrard is that he doesn't play five at the back. Five defenders against Nottingham Forest. Fucking Hell.
I knew you’d be happy 😉
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I suppose at least he’s willing to try something a bit different because one thing we’ve learned from the last ten months the system with the fullbacks bombing and midfielders becoming fullbacks is shit.
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I couldnt care less what formation he tries as longs as it wins us games.
Come on Clampy, you don't think an unplanned massive change in tactics part way through the season smacks of desperation?
We all want to win, but not caring that the coaching staff clearly haven't got a clue and are grasping at straws is surely a concern?
Not really. I'm absoutley sure teams try different things in training all the time. What's the problem? It's not as if we're on a massive losing streak and letting in loads of goals.
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Not scoring many either.
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There was a time when Villa number 9s scored goals.
how old do people have to be to remember that?
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Think I need an ibuprofen
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if Gerrard changes it = it smacks of desperation.
If Gerrard doesn't change it = stubborn fucker, needs to change it but refuses.
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Think I need an ibuprofen
I got a spare pack of Tramadol in my laptop bag - might treat myself.
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if Gerrard changes it = it smacks of desperation.
If Gerrard doesn't change it = stubborn fucker, needs to change it but refuses.
I don't believe this comment is a fair reflection of how the majority of Villa fans have spoken up about changes. Its fair to say we understand changes may need to be made when playing the top teams but if its true were looking at going to 5 at the back against teams like Forest then its only fair to say that's going to ruffle some feathers.
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Not scoring many either.
Quite so, but the vast majority of posters on here still have Watkins starting despite the vast majority calling for him to be replaced on the actual Match Threads
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Is it an H&V record to moan about team news two days before a game? I remember the days when we waited for the line up an hour before kick off.
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We all know the script here.
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Is it an H&V record to moan about team news two days before a game? I remember the days when we waited for the line up an hour before kick off.
Journalist provides some information about Villa, Villa fans on messageboard react to it. Scandalous behaviour. Maybe we should all just not post at all between games?
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You're a whinging bunch of bastards though, be honest. Your enjoyment comes in being moany about this that and t'other. Not shitting the bed at 3 at the back looks like Churchillian tiggerish optimism.
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Not really, I much prefer it when we are winning loads of games and playing scintillating football. But each to their own.
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I don't have a problem with three at the back per se. I have absolutely no faith in Gerrard as a coach/manager though. As ever, delighted to be wrong on this.
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Three at the back did bring us our most successful period since the 90’s, when it worked it was fantastic to watch, If it works I’m all for it. It may just save Gerrard’s job or it might be the final nail as it seems to be for Smith last season.
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Three at the back did bring us our most successful period since the 90’s, when it worked it was fantastic to watch, If it works I’m all for it. It may just save Gerrard’s job or it might be the final nail as it seems to be for Smith last season.
All those years ago, Graham Taylor stumbled on to a formation that worked for him. It might just do the same for Gerrard. The problem is with the forward players though as they are not gelling at all.
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I'm torn with 5 at the back. The current 4-3-3 is defensively very solid but is severely lacking in the final third as he just cannot get the mix and flow right hence lack of goals.
If we are looking at 5 at the back then I'm not sure how that fixes the initial problem of not scoring enough goals, unless he's going for the Southgate-esque 5-2-3 formation in which case it will probably fail miserably. I just don't see us having the quality to dominate a game playing 3-4-3 either.
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What could possibly go wrong?
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Is it an H&V record to moan about team news two days before a game? I remember the days when we waited for the line up an hour before kick off.
Calm down dear.
All forums about any matter are moaning board. Complaining and moaning is the sustenance that keeps discussions alive. Rationality is the enemy.
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I suppose at least he’s willing to try something a bit different because one thing we’ve learned from the last ten months the system with the fullbacks bombing and midfielders becoming fullbacks is shit.
If so, some would say he doesn't know what he's doing. I may , reluctantly, have to agree with that.
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I'm torn with 5 at the back. The current 4-3-3 is defensively very solid but is severely lacking in the final third as he just cannot get the mix and flow right hence lack of goals.
If we are looking at 5 at the back then I'm not sure how that fixes the initial problem of not scoring enough goals, unless he's going for the Southgate-esque 5-2-3 formation in which case it will probably fail miserably. I just don't see us having the quality to dominate a game playing 3-4-3 either.
If we are solid defensively with 433 , there really isn't any logic that supports adding another (limited) defender like Chambers or Bednarek into the team will make us any better with the ball. This will be the final rock Gerrard perishes on if he goes down this route.
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Sir Graham's five at the back was helped by two world-class midfielders in Platt and Cowans. Brian Little's five had a perfectly balanced midfield in front of it and two quality wing-backs. I don't see any of that in the current squad.
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I suppose at least he’s willing to try something a bit different because one thing we’ve learned from the last ten months the system with the fullbacks bombing and midfielders becoming fullbacks is shit.
If so, some would say he doesn't know what he's doing. I may , reluctantly, have to agree with that.
I know what you mean, it’s really me being hopeful than having any faith in him.
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I was listening to part of the Chelsea game in the car earlier and they mentioned that half way through the first half Chelsea switched from 4 to 3 at the back. Good players who are well coached can do this if needed. I’m not sure that applies to us currently.
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If the ambition is now stay in the PL then Steve Gerrard and 5 at the back is where we are at.
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In an attempt to be optimistic, switching to a back three might improve how we attack with wing backs instead of full backs.
Just trying to be positive.
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Did Critchley do 5 at the back at Blackpool?
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
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We all know the script here.
I'm with you Paul. We've seen it too many times!
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Setting out to be defensive the club of the bottom of the league is going to end one way. Seeing as we can't currently hit a barn door, an initially nervous Forest will gradually realise we're there for the taking and with the City Ground crowd behind them in the 2nd half, we'll collapse. This is Gerrard's Southampton moment. In the last 10 minutes he'll be slumped in his seat with that resigned look on his face.
Sorry to be negative, but Gerrard is finished at Villa. I'd love to be wrong, but it's just as I see it at the moment.
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
Wow. Why would any fan want their team to get beat?
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In the end I never want us to lose but there have been times I’ve thought about it. That one defeat today could reshape tomorrow. That ridding ourselves of Bruce for example gave us Deano and everything that delivered. So I get it when someone says it even if deep down no Villa fan actually wants us to lose
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5-3-2. The Siren call of the clueless.
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
Never, not even in the days of Bruce did I want us to lose, even if it meant he would have got the sack. You seriously need to have a rethink
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5-3-2. The Siren call of the clueless.
Nothing wrong if the squad is built for it.
Ours isn't and will (if true) involve Ashley Young as left wing back. He's been way above my expectations at right back but thats not involved continual lung busting runs both ways.
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A sizeable minority of Villa fans were cheering opposition goals in the last few away games before we were relegated - Arsenal and Watford spring to mind.
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
Never, not even in the days of Bruce did I want us to lose, even if it meant he would have got the sack. You seriously need to have a rethink
I’ve had a rethink and 7.0 to Forest should do it.
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This is a Villa fan site, you might want to look elsewhere for your teams forum?
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
Wow. Why would any fan want their team to get beat?
Isn't the answer in his post?
Agree or not, he's made that pretty clear.
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If a Forest win meant Gerrard departing and Pocchetino coming in I'd use the Mull of Kintyre to invoke the spirit of 2018 Glen Whelan.
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There's no way that a decision whether or not to bring the like of Pochettino in rests upon how we do against a team nailed to the bottom of the table.
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Fate is inexorable, but choosing defeat is a pretty corrosive mentality, representing a moral weakness.
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I can understand if someone feels that a loss is a better outcome for the club in the long run.
I got pretty close under Lambert but once the game starts I want us to win.
I am not sure where the club is at right now so a change at this stage could cause more problems than it solves.
I think we need a replacement CEO first.
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
Wow. Why would any fan want their team to get beat?
Isn't the answer in his post?
Agree or not, he's made that pretty clear.
He's made it clear that he's happy for his team to lose and in another post, 7-0 if that's what it takes. I'm not sure why anyone would want that.
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
Wow. Why would any fan want their team to get beat?
Isn't the answer in his post?
Agree or not, he's made that pretty clear.
He's made it clear that he's happy for his team to lose and in another post, 7-0 if that's what it takes. I'm not sure why anyone would want that.
The answers in his post. Once again, what are you not understanding?
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I'm understanding that he'd be happy for his team to lose. Why? It's not great but it's not quite Paul Lambert shitness.
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I'm understanding that he'd be happy for his team to lose. Why?
We really doing this for a 3rd time?
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I'm understanding that he'd be happy for his team to lose. Why?
We really doing this for a 3rd time?
Luke, I'm a fan. I don't want my team to lose and I can't understand why anyone would. Why is that so hard to grasp?
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I hope Villa win always regardless of who is manager. I hope they win on Monday by 5 or 6. Even if they do, i hope we replace Gerrard with Poch’ if he is available and wants to come as I’ve seen enough of SG and his style of play and still for the life of me haven’t a clue about how we play or are meant to be playing.
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I'd rather argue about the qualities of the Manager without the shadow of a relegation struggle looming large over us.
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I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
Wow. Why would any fan want their team to get beat?
Isn't the answer in his post?
Agree or not, he's made that pretty clear.
He's made it clear that he's happy for his team to lose and in another post, 7-0 if that's what it takes. I'm not sure why anyone would want that.
I’d take a drubbing to finally get rid of Gerrard.
There's why he wants it to happen.
Not saying it's right or wrong to feel that way, but looking at your question, the answer is pretty obvious.
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I'd rather argue about the qualities of the Manager without the shadow of a relegation struggle looming large over us.
I would much, much rather Gerrard turned this around, moving on from a resounding win on Monday.
I just feel utterly laced with doom that even if we do get a result, we all know how this is going to end and it is just putting off the inevitable.
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I'd personally sack Gerrard if we only draw. Even a narrow win isn't going to convince me too much but ultimately it's points on the board and better shape for next manager to inherit, well less wins needed to stay up anyway.
If it's a draw it's 9 points from 9 games, not winning away games against teams going to finish in bottom 6 and barely above bottom 3, what more is needed to sack him?
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It’s difficult ,although we’re supposed to be employing head coach’s ,SG doesn’t coach he manages, with that in mind the coaching set up needs to be looked at. Is it unreasonable to suggest that our coaches have very little top level experience, which isn’t helpful. Back to the thread goalless draw 4 unbeaten.
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ironically cheering an opposition goal, when your already relegated and had a dog shit season where the team has gained 17 points, and one of your players posted a picture of his car a minute or two after a 6-0 home defeat, is different to wanting your team to lose before a game.
Ive come to the conclusion fairly late on that Gerard is out of his depth, id love Poch although there is no evidence to suggest there is anything in this at all. Even with all of that i cannot understand the mentality of wanting your team to lose, even if you think it will be the end of the manager you dislike. What is the point of supporting a team if you ever want them to lose.
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I don't think tomorrow matters to much in terms of Gerrard's job he will have until the World Cup to show I'm 100% sure.
The major issue tomorrow is who is going to score - I would give Archer a run out just to see if his energy does cause havoc. I have my reservations but it is a wait and see situation.
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Gerard knows it's a game he can't lose so we'll go to do that. 0-0
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Win tomorrow and atm we go above 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
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Win tomorrow and atm we go above 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
Only if we win by quite a lot!
Sorry, I’m wrong. Yes we do go above them as it stands if we win.
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Win tomorrow and atm we go above 'The Mighty Reds YNWA'.
Only if we win by quite a lot!
We'll be 11 to their 10 points?
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Obviously not if Liverpool draw or win
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Well win tomorrow and we go to ninth
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God, when you watch Arteta's Arsenal it really makes me feel that we've been stitched up with Gerrard...
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It only took 3 years and £300m.
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Gerard knows it's a game he can't lose so we'll go to do that. 0-0
Amazingly he's had quite a few of those in his tenure here so far.
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It only took 3 years and £300m.
Exactly. It’s not long since a large and vocal proportion of Arsenal fans where clamouring for Arteta’s removal.
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And to think less than two years ago we comfortably beat Arsenal three nil at the Emirates, having also won 1-0 at Villa Park a few months earlier. We're years behind them now.
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And to think less than two years ago we comfortably beat Arsenal three nil at the Emirates, having also won 1-0 at Villa Park a few months earlier. We're years behind them now.
We’ve been behind them for the majority of our existence I’d imagine.
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It only took 3 years and £300m.
Net?
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It only took 3 years and £300m.
Net?
Yep, and then some. The only decent money they've brought in was from us for Martinez and Willock from Newcastle. Their big name players like Aubameyang and Lacazette went for nowt.
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And to think less than two years ago we comfortably beat Arsenal three nil at the Emirates, having also won 1-0 at Villa Park a few months earlier. We're years behind them now.
We’ve been behind them for the majority of our existence I’d imagine.
Other way round, I think. They caught up and overtook us in the 1990s, on Doug's watch.
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God, when you watch Arteta's Arsenal it really makes me feel that we've been stitched up with Gerrard...
It only took 3 years and £300m.
And an owner that stuck by his manager when their fans were braying for him to be sacked.
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Martinez
Cash
Konsa
Mings
Young
Luiz
McGinn
Ramsey
Coutinho
Buendia
Watkins
Is what I think we will play tomorrow.
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Maybe the rumoured 5 at the back is because someone has seen Chambers playing and guessed. Perhaps he'll play him in a holding midfield role.....
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I think its because Gerrard had said he might use it at some point in the future, as he was impressed by Bednarek.
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Yeah probably that. Just guessing really. Wouldn't surprise me to see Chambers in there mind.
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A fantastic opportunity to break into the top half of the table. If we win tomorrow evening it will be a very good run of results.
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If Cash doesn't make it, please for the love of God, don't put Konsa at right back. The puppy-chasing-a-balloon levels of ball control at Elland Road last week in the second half was excruciating to witness.
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Tonight could be a pivotal moment for our season. A win will mean 4 unbeaten and take us into the top half of the table but a defeat will leave us 2 points and 2 places above the relegation places. So it will probably be a draw.
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Nottingham Forest.
Lost 5 in a row.
Manager on brink & gets a new deal.
Striker Dennis 0 league goals since signing.
Lingard 0 goals & assists since signing.
You know. You. Just. Know.
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We really do have to win this.
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And to think less than two years ago we comfortably beat Arsenal three nil at the Emirates, having also won 1-0 at Villa Park a few months earlier. We're years behind them now.
We’ve been behind them for the majority of our existence I’d imagine.
Other way round, I think. They caught up and overtook us in the 1990s, on Doug's watch.
Depends what you mean by "behind". This is guesswork but I'd imagine prior to 1930 we finished higher than them 90% of the time. From 1930 to 1996 they probably finished higher than us 90% of the time and from 1996, I know for a fact they have finished above us 100% of the time.
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Nottingham Forest.
Lost 5 in a row.
Manager on brink & gets a new deal.
Striker Dennis 0 league goals since signing.
Lingard 0 goals & assists since signing.
You know. You. Just. Know.
We all do. It's nailed on.
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Nottingham Forest.
Lost 5 in a row.
Manager on brink & gets a new deal.
Striker Dennis 0 league goals since signing.
Lingard 0 goals & assists since signing.
You know. You. Just. Know.
We all do. It's nailed on.
With a limp display.
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Nottingham Forest.
Lost 5 in a row.
Manager on brink & gets a new deal.
Striker Dennis 0 league goals since signing.
Lingard 0 goals & assists since signing.
You know. You. Just. Know.
We all do. It's nailed on.
With a limp display.
The easiest 3 points they’ll get all season.
I think I’ll have an early night.
Low risk of waking up tomorrow and regretting it.
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Nottingham Forest.
Lost 5 in a row.
Manager on brink & gets a new deal.
Striker Dennis 0 league goals since signing.
Lingard 0 goals & assists since signing.
You know. You. Just. Know.
We all do. It's nailed on.
With a limp display.
The easiest 3 points they’ll get all season.
I think I’ll have an early night.
Low risk of waking up tomorrow and regretting it.
I might gather up the mountain off leaves off the drive, it's been a whole two days since I last did it.
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Haha. These saying they can't be arsed to watch it or will have an early night because they think we'll lose will be the first on here moaning if we do.
I reckon we'll be make hard work of it and feel the pressure a bit early on because we're expected to win. I'll got for a hard fought 1-2. Ramsey and McGinn for us.
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McGinn was colossal the last time we played here. He must be one of the only remaining players left from that game.
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Nottingham Forest.
Lost 5 in a row.
Manager on brink & gets a new deal.
Striker Dennis 0 league goals since signing.
Lingard 0 goals & assists since signing.
You know. You. Just. Know.
We all do. It's nailed on.
With a limp display.
The easiest 3 points they’ll get all season.
I think I’ll have an early night.
Low risk of waking up tomorrow and regretting it.
I might gather up the mountain off leaves off the drive, it's been a whole two days since I last did it.
I got one of those garden vacuums. Best £100 I’ve ever spent. Saves loads of time cleaning up after trimming the bush.
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I did too, but my drive needs replacing in honesty, and the volume of leaves plus the layer of grit from the disintergrating drive pretty much killed the mulcher on it.
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Forest appear to collapse very quickly once they concede a goal. Question is, are we even likely to score one goal? I'm going for a scrappy 1-0 win.
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I bet Lingard can't wait to play against Villa again. Playing for West Ham our midfield waved hin through, our defenders backed off and Emi dived over weak and miss hit shots.
Not again please!
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I got one of those garden vacuums. Best £100 I’ve ever spent. Saves loads of time cleaning up after trimming the bush.
Can't you just trim it in the bathroom?
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McGinn was colossal the last time we played here. He must be one of the only remaining players left from that game.
Mings also played, agree about McGinn he was brilliant.
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I got one of those garden vacuums. Best £100 I’ve ever spent. Saves loads of time cleaning up after trimming the bush.
Can't you just trim it in the bathroom?
Ha!
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McGinn was colossal the last time we played here. He must be one of the only remaining players left from that game.
Mings also played, agree about McGinn he was brilliant.
Yes, he was unstoppable that night, remember a chance where he hit the post at the end after he'd barrelled past the defender when he'd had no right to, it was just force of will.
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I got one of those garden vacuums. Best £100 I’ve ever spent. Saves loads of time cleaning up after trimming the bush.
Can't you just trim it in the bathroom?
It won’t reach
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McGinn was colossal the last time we played here. He must be one of the only remaining players left from that game.
Mings also played, agree about McGinn he was brilliant.
His last good game for us.
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Haha. These saying they can't be arsed to watch it or will have an early night because they think we'll lose will be the first on here moaning if we do.
I reckon we'll be make hard work of it and feel the pressure a bit early on because we're expected to win. I'll got for a hard fought 1-2. Ramsey and McGinn for us.
And I wager you'll be first on here moaning about them.
Anyway, I actually think we'll win. Our recently found solidity should render their abysmal attack impotent. Our equally inept forward play may have an opportunity to score however, as we seem able to create something.
Perhaps tonight will be the result that inspires confidence in the players.
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By early night I mean the game will send me to sleep :)
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I hope you’re right Drummond. Sometimes it just takes one good result to ignite a season. I hope this is it.
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I hope you’re right Drummond. Sometimes it just takes one good result to ignite a season. I hope this is it.
Yep, or save a job. He needs a great performance and resounding win to shush the miserabilists like me. I really hope that I'm proven wrong and he becomes one of our more successful managers, starting with a 0-4 result.
I'd also like Watkins to score a brace with some excellent finishing, Coutinho and Buendia to get assists, McGinn to score and get an assist and for Danny Ings to get a late goal in a cameo appearance.
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as we seem able to create something.
This is the positive I took from the Leeds game, the lack of goals was down to finishing and not chances. In the past we would not have even created anything.
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On our way up. Let's hope the season starts here.
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On our way up. Let's hope the season starts here.
I read this as a rare burst of optimism for a moment, then I realised you were talking about travelling from Dorset.
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I want that as much as any Villa fan. I don’t want to see us play shit and I don’t want to see us lose. I’ve said from the start I want every Villa manager to be successful. I want them all to prove us wrong when things take an unfortunate turn and the pressure builds. I hope tonight we play flowing football and score 3 or 4 in a convincing win vs a team at the bottom of the table. But chances are we will keep it tight, grind it out, create 2 or 3 reasonable chances and hope we score 1 of them. We will sit mid table and he will claim we are on the right track when in reality it will all be smoking mirrors. The tactic of keeping it tight and keeping the opponent to nil work vs Leeds or Southampton or Forest. But it won’t against 75% of the league and that’s why this approach cannot be sustained. Plus it will kill us all watching it.
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On our way up. Let's hope the season starts here.
I read this as a rare burst of optimism for a moment, then I realised you were talking about travelling from Dorset.
Yep, me too.
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Both teams could do with our Keinan for this. Watford are stinking out the Ch'ship, come on home, son.
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If any team needs Keinan Davis then they are fucked.
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If any team needs Keinan Davis then they are fucked.
Can’t work out if you are talking about us or Forest
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If any team needs Keinan Davis then they are fucked.
Can’t work out if you are talking about us or Forest
or Watford
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If any team needs Keinan Davis then they are fucked.
Can’t work out if you are talking about us or Forest
Both. If anyone thinks Keinan Davis is a PL calibre forward to drag a side to a more fertile land then they need a little break from things and a cold drink.
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If any team needs Keinan Davis then they are fucked.
Can’t work out if you are talking about us or Forest
Both. If anyone thinks Keinan Davis is a PL calibre forward to drag a side to a more fertile land then they need a little break from things and a cold drink.
He couldn't do any worse than what we have already.
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Looking like a(nother?) must win game for Gerrard. We could be looking at 8 points from 10 games by next Sunday afternoon .....
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If any team needs Keinan Davis then they are fucked.
Can’t work out if you are talking about us or Forest
Both. If anyone thinks Keinan Davis is a PL calibre forward to drag a side to a more fertile land then they need a little break from things and a cold drink.
Good! I'm off to see "I Love My Dad" at the London Film Festival tonight. I'll have a beer and forget about what's happening at the City Ground.
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If any team needs Keinan Davis then they are fucked.
Can’t work out if you are talking about us or Forest
Both. If anyone thinks Keinan Davis is a PL calibre forward to drag a side to a more fertile land then they need a little break from things and a cold drink.
He couldn't do any worse than what we have already.
That still doesn’t make him any good and is just an indictment on what we currently have. And I don’t include Cam in that because he’s not been given a chance. Truth is both Ings and Watkins have far better PL goalscoring records than Davis. So he’s just not the answer.
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Nottingham Forest.
Lost 5 in a row.
Manager on brink & gets a new deal.
Striker Dennis 0 league goals since signing.
Lingard 0 goals & assists since signing.
You know. You. Just. Know.
We all do. It's nailed on.
With a limp display.
The easiest 3 points they’ll get all season.
I think I’ll have an early night.
Low risk of waking up tomorrow and regretting it.
I might gather up the mountain off leaves off the drive, it's been a whole two days since I last did it.
I got one of those garden vacuums. Best £100 I’ve ever spent. Saves loads of time cleaning up after trimming the bush.
My childish mind finds that funny!
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Haaland or Davis…difficult choice!!
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I don’t dislike our manager, I just don’t think he has either the experience or know how at the moment to cope with a job like ours. I also don’t think we have a squad to push on much past half way.
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Just win you bastards.
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Gerrard has a great opportunity here - win this, and on paper at least, most things look rosey.
We have been lucky how badly most clubs have started this season - and it may just save SG his job
I hope he doesn't waste this opportunity, and grabs it with both hands and becomes the "best version of himself"
UTV
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We’ll have we gone three at the back, or should I say, five at the back?
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We’ll have we gone three at the back, or should I say, five at the back?
We'll find out in 20 mins
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after firing blanks last weekend Watkins must be licking his lips about coming up against Forrest. It seems They've spent money in every position apart from crucially their championship standard center halves. If there's a game a goal shy striker needs it's this one.
I think Villa would be more vulnerable if Forrest had sacked their manager instead they've given him a new contract, we been caught cold by Bournemouth a result "no one at Villa saw coming" therefore I expect us to be ruthless and professional tonight. This is the time when you want to play the promoted clubs when their mindset has been severely dented.
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Live score must have a predicted line-up, they have it as that at the moment.
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Wow Coutinho and Buendia starting. What black magic is this?
Edit. McGinn still starts. As you were
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No five at the back bollocks and Philendia playing together. Happy with that. Now batter them, please, Villa.
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Total Christmas tree, and some interesting names on the bench. Nakamba, Bogarde, Sanson.