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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: kippaxvilla2 on October 02, 2022, 06:28:00 PM
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Shit.
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Fuck off. He's absolutely clueless
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Utter, utter, utter shite.
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Another awful, games between two dreadful teams.
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An awful point.
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Watkins is willing, but well below the standard required.
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What a desperate, clueless last 40 minutes.
A special place in infamy for Ollie Watkins. We are going nowhere if he continues to be our first choice centre forward.
Give Archer a chance for Christ's sake.
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Dreck.
We'll be doing well to another eight wins this season.
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Watkins is willing, but well below the standard required.
He did everything right in terms of runs and hold up play, and never looked like scoring in a million years
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Watched the first 10 mins and caught the last 20. Feel really cold to it all. Not sure if it's the standard of Villa, or Premier League football in general being awash with money as the working man edges toward financial oblivion, but think I'm pretty much done now. I'm 35, have been to Wembley for the last 7 games, have a history of season tickets and many aways, but to be frank hope I'm the first of many. Ugly game which offers little and takes a lot.
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Gerrards manager brain is the same as Watkins football brain
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I watched it. But it was like being kicked in the bollocks repetitively.
Utter dross. Pathetic.
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When was the last time we beat 10 men? Ever?
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Abysmal, how Gerrard could not see that Leeds made our extra man Konsa on the right wing.
Then bringing on old man Ings who I don’t think touched the ball.
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Mcginn played well.
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we needed to capitalize in the moments straight after the red, Leeds had lost their heads giving away foul after foul. As soon as they got their sub on and restructured the window was closed.
Shame we didn't have a better cover option at RB as Konsa got loads of ball in offensive area's but you knew he wasn't going to do much with it.
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I 've got an early start for work tomorrow. Do you think we will be first on MOTD2 ?
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On the one hand, 65% didn't think we'd win before the game, injuries are taking the piss now.
On the other, we are just so fucking dull. Probably only Preston are more boring than us in the football league.
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An absolute seeping arsehole of a Villa team, with Gerrard a giant boil on the cheek of it.
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Again forward playing just seems random. Whatever it takes to do in front of goal to score watkins dosent have any of it. Seems a good bloke and have other talent. A winger as he used to be. So its "waiting for a new manager" time then.
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If Coutinhio scores just after the sending off, it could of been another 2 or 3 nil, as they are really shite. But he hit the bar and we just had no real tempo, it really was another boring drab affair. I think if we dont get a win at Forest he has to go, there are a number of good managers out there looking for a job. Watching villa has always been more down than ups but Its been a while since ive been this bored watching them.
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Result not great but as a performance it was much better considering all the injuries. Luiz and McGinn did really well as did Young. I know chucking on Ings is a likely sub but he hardly got a kick. Problem was Watkins really. He did a lot right in terms of his movement and hold up play. But in the critical moments in the box he didn't deliver. Thought the ref bottled giving them a number of clear yellow cards after the red.
Martinez 6, Young 8, Konsa 6, Mings 7, Augustinson 6 (Bednarek 5), Luiz 8, McGinn 8, Ramsey 7, Coutinho 6, Bailey 5 (Buendia 7), Watkins 6.
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No urgency, no quality. He has to go after that]. Yes, he's been very unlucky with injuries, but I'd make a change now.
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French TV (Canal+) was so relieved to get that turgid dross off the screen so they could get back to wanking furiously over the amazing Manchester 'dare-bee'.
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3 unbeaten
What's not to like?😁
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Everything is so slow and laboured. Its become a real fucking drain watching us under Gerrard.
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What I'm baffled by is the amount of times in the last 15 minutes where doug has the ball half way and he passes it backwards. I thought he was pretty good today overall but is this a lack of confidence in the team, or conservatism?
Bailey was hopeless, buendia again has to start. Will he being freddy back in from the cold cos konsa at right back is a problem, especially in this system
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Get Gerrard out now before he does any more damage to our team. How Archer doesn’t get a start I’ll never know. I’d do a 2 for 1 offer in the transfer window, buy Watkins and get Ings free or vice versa.
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Villa would struggle to force a Morris Marina to breakdown on that performance.
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Didn’t think it was as bad as some are suggesting but so toothless. Young was superb.
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Again forward playing just seems random. Whatever it takes to do in front of goal to score watkins dosent have any of it. Seems a good bloke and have other talent. A winger as he used to be. So its "waiting for a new manager" time then.
As it has been since the first game really,
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Watched the first 10 mins and caught the last 20. Feel really cold to it all. Not sure if it's the standard of Villa, or Premier League football in general being awash with money as the working man edges toward financial oblivion, but think I'm pretty much done now. I'm 35, have been to Wembley for the last 7 games, have a history of season tickets and many aways, but to be frank hope I'm the first of many. Ugly game which offers little and takes a lot.
Yep, I’m out after this season, I think I’ve had enough. I ended paying loads more for a season ticket and the club want us out (behind the dugout) once the new stand is in. Shifting 400 loyal season ticket holders out for corporate seats.
Awful game , zero quality from either team. Gerrard is out of his depth
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Result not great but as a performance it was much better considering all the injuries. Luiz and McGinn did really well as did Young. I know chucking on Ings is a likely sub but he hardly got a kick. Problem was Watkins really. He did a lot right in terms of his movement and hold up play. But in the critical moments in the box he didn't deliver. Thought the ref bottled giving them a number of clear yellow cards after the red.
Martinez 6, Young 8, Konsa 6, Mings 7, Augustinson 6 (Bednarek 5), Luiz 8, McGinn 8, Ramsey 7, Coutinho 6, Bailey 5 (Buendia 7), Watkins 6.
Agreed. Watkins does lots really well, but his lack of (top) quality with his final shot / pass means we are always going miss chances to score.
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Does Watkins not practice one v ones in training? He would probably realise that keeping it low to an advancing keeper is very unlikely to get past him. Complete lack of composure. Disappointed Archer didn’t get 20 minutes to pull Leeds around at the back.
Agree with the general mood. We are going nowhere with Gerrard. Just waiting for the next bad run to finish him.
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Didn’t think it was as bad as some are suggesting but so toothless. Young was superb.
Mate, it wasn't bad, but come on, they were down to 10 men for 40 minutes and we were very, very poor.
We are so, so unclinical. Less than a goal a game this season.
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So glad I was drinking beer during that!
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What a boring side we’ve turned into. 3 points were there for the taking and yet again against a poor team we’ve not taken them. You can point to injuries but it was the same when they were fit.
Not sorting a goalscorer out in the summer could come back and bite us big time. I cannot see an improvement at all.
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He needs to start with both buendia and countinho especially at home and I'd start getting Archer on for 20/25 minutes at least , why he goes back to Ings and Watkins which don't work . You know Archer would score one of those one and ones Watkins seems to miss .
Lose to Forest he has to go but we will probably scrap out a 1-1
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When their player was sent off, thought it was probably gonna end 0-0, can't remember the last time we beat a team with 10 men. McGinn had his best game for a while, in fact it was his tackle at the end, that saved us from an embarrassing defeat.
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When was the last time we beat 10 men? Ever?
Dalian beat 10 men on his own against Wimbledon.
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Didn’t think it was as bad as some are suggesting but so toothless. Young was superb.
Mate, it wasn't bad, but come on, they were down to 10 men for 40 minutes and we were very, very poor.
We are so, so unclinical. Less than a goal a game this season.
Just to say lads, that was bad. If you don't think it was bad then you either hate yourself or are on drugs.
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So boring and predictable.
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Pathetic. Insipid.
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Never mind Gerrard…..Lange/Purslow .?
Marquee signings were defensive/holding, and quality. But no better midfielder in starting 11 or goal scorer …. We have same as last season, so can’t expect to improve going forward surely ?
I think it’s laughable that a top half finish is expected without the new starters for midfield and up front to score
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Result not great but as a performance it was much better considering all the injuries. Luiz and McGinn did really well as did Young. I know chucking on Ings is a likely sub but he hardly got a kick. Problem was Watkins really. He did a lot right in terms of his movement and hold up play. But in the critical moments in the box he didn't deliver. Thought the ref bottled giving them a number of clear yellow cards after the red.
Martinez 6, Young 8, Konsa 6, Mings 7, Augustinson 6 (Bednarek 5), Luiz 8, McGinn 8, Ramsey 7, Coutinho 6, Bailey 5 (Buendia 7), Watkins 6.
I agree with this. It wasn't brilliant but not terrible and the defence was makeshift. I think in the last 15 mins of the first half we were getting well on top as well.
You've hit the nail on the head with Watkins. He's getting a lot of vitriol and things people would never say to him in the face. He should have done a lot better and his failing is those moments on the box. As my brother pointed out, he invariably shoots straight and low rather than lifting the ball over the keeper who's already going down.
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I wonder if the stats were studied over the seasons since we came up whether we have THE worst record against ten men? Have we even won a single game?
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It was turgid…
But we have only conceded 1 goal in 3 games now.
We’re just so ballachingly toothless - with such talent up front, we must be doing better than we are.
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Good performance, 19 attempts
Got in all the right areas but we don't have a striker . Watkins works hard but can't score
Thought Coutinho was better today
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In the cold light of day, a point away to the dirty racists isn't bad.
Although we really do play some truly shit football.
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An absolute gimme of a three points once Luiz won us the red card (imagine if that had happened to us, we'd be rightly fcuekd-off with the decision). We were already on top, Leeds showed us too much respect once down to 10 but we just didn't have the quality to make it count.
Did Konsa really used to be a right back? His awful touch and technique in possession was painfully highlighted every time he got the ball in the second half. He cannot be our fill-in fullback regardless of injuries.
I also thought that the obvious last change was surely Ings AND Archer. Ings is only gonna provide the final touch but Archer would have scared them with his all-round play.
Ultimately another black mark against Gerrard as the full points were there for the taking.
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Good performance, 19 attempts
Got in all the right areas but we don't have a striker . Watkins works hard but can't score
Thought Coutinho was better today
Yes we do. Gerrard is just not brave enough to play him.
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Thought we were OK in the first two thirds of the pitch and obviously them going down to ten helped with that. I thought Buendia looked bright when he came on and he created a few opportunities.
We were, however, poor in the final third with Ollie Watkins being the main culprit unfortunately. He got into good positions on a number of occasions, but his touch is so loose that he ends up making chances much harder for himself. Would have brought Ings on for him a lot earlier.
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So boring and predictable.
It is, isn't it. So fucking boring.
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Good performance, 19 attempts
Got in all the right areas but we don't have a striker . Watkins works hard but can't score
Thought Coutinho was better today.
'Good performance'? I'm sure you don't really mean that.
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Did Jesse Marsch just say Villa slowed the game down to a snail pace and that’s why we didn’t win! Or could it have been your fucking dirty bastards hacked everyone on the pitch.
Knob
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An absolute gimme of a three points once Luiz won us the red card (imagine if that had happened to us, we'd be rightly fcuekd-off with the decision). We were already on top, Leeds showed us too much respect once down to 10 but we just didn't have the quality to make it count.
Did Konsa really used to be a right back? His awful touch and technique in possession was painfully highlighted every time he got the ball in the second half. He cannot be our fill-in fullback regardless of injuries.
I also thought that the obvious last change was surely Ings AND Archer. Ings is only gonna provide the final touch but Archer would have scared them with his all-round play.
Ultimately another black mark against Gerrard as the full points were there for the taking.
Madness Archer didn't go out on loan until January. We're just wasting the scoring momentum he's built up in last 12 months.
I assumed with us keeping him around he'd start the cup games and be regularly used in league e.g 20-30 minute cameos. Think only game he's featured was coming on as 92nd minute sub v West Ham.
Him coming on today would've been something difference and Leeds wouldn't have had much knowledge of him. He scores the winner and suddenly there's a feelgood factor to our season.
Instead Gerrard just sticks to tried and tested and we'll finish 14th again. Or lower.
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Good performance, 19 attempts
Got in all the right areas but we don't have a striker . Watkins works hard but can't score
Thought Coutinho was better today.
'Good performance'? I'm sure you don't really mean that.
Really? For once I thought Fred was right and positive!
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When was the last time we beat 10 men? Ever?
Dalian beat 10 men on his own against Wimbledon.
Nearly right then ;)
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Whenever I've seen him play, Archer has had the energy and the confidence of youth. Not saying he would necessarily have won that for us, but I'm sure he would have got in good scoring positions and been lively.
Gerrard doesn't seem to have much... imagination. Does he?
His approach is basically about just having better or more experienced players than the opposition and expecting them to produce a moment of magic.
To be fair to him, though, he has made us tighter at the back, and harder to beat. Once you've established that, you then have a platform for gradually improving the attacking side. Maybe we're looking at incremental improvements.
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Some positives.
Never looked like losing, and were the better side even before the sending off.
First away point of the season, so stopped the rot away from home.
Bednerek looked OK, and our very makeshift defence kept a clean sheet.
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Not really sure what to say - defended well when we needed to with a make shift back 4. Thought McGinn was better, but were an awful watch and no idea what were trying to do going forward.
We look very much lower middle half and certainly while our performances continue like this we need to be way more worried about relegation then top half
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Not sure how we didn't win that. Watkins has had a number of chances and at some point you have to rely on your players to do their primary task.
Defensively solid all game, too quick to give it away. Felt we broke them down on enough occasions after the sending off to win. Think the thread title isn't apt today. We need a centre forward who you can rely on to have 1 or 2 chances and take st least 1. Watkins has had several and not done enough.
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Did Jesse Marsch just say Villa slowed the game down to a snail pace and that’s why we didn’t win! Or could it have been your fucking dirty bastards hacked everyone on the pitch.
Knob
He’s not wrong, though. We’ve got two players in the 99th percentile as far as speed goes in this league.. and then we’ve got Coutinho and Luiz who play with the handbrake on the entire match.
I’m absolutely done with Watkins. He should be more motivated than ever to make the World Cup squad, especially after Toney jumped him in the pecking order. He’s a marathon runner and nothing else.
It’s time for NSWE to circumvent Purslow and make the decision themselves. After we wasted last year, and now this year.. we need to start seeing some progression. I don’t care who’s injured or in a bad patch, we have no identity, style or philosophy and things have not improved in any category.
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Good performance, 19 attempts
Got in all the right areas but we don't have a striker . Watkins works hard but can't score
Thought Coutinho was better today.
'Good performance'? I'm sure you don't really mean that.
Really? For once I thought Fred was right and positive!
Good performance, 19 attempts
Got in all the right areas but we don't have a striker . Watkins works hard but can't score
Thought Coutinho was better today.
'Good performance'? I'm sure you don't really mean that.
Really? For once I thought Fred was right and positive!
No, I mean, you thought that was good? Wow!
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I went for a walk on the beach after 20 minutes, stopped off at the pub and soaked up the sun over the estuary, mentally I feel much better for it than watching that shite.
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I went for a walk on the beach after 20 minutes, stopped off at the pub and soaked up the sun over the estuary, mentally I feel much better for it than watching that shite.
I kept a watching brief from a boat outside Positano. I could feel the shite through the ceefax-type updates.
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I wasted a pair of contact lenses to watch that in my local.
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Good performance, 19 attempts
Got in all the right areas but we don't have a striker . Watkins works hard but can't score
Thought Coutinho was better today
Could be one on the bench.at least give him twenty minutes to see.
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Is this all down the manager ?
There are players out there that have to do their job
I have come to a belated conviction that Watkins is not the answer, nor Ings although 10 mins is harsh to expect a return
Midfield that creates fuck all
Spoilt I guess watching De Bruyne et al earlier
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Such a lack of urgency to our play. Watkins should be going home with the match-ball but has no conviction in his finishing. Clean sheet and not losing are the only positives. I would have taken a point before the game but it is the manner in which we played that leads me to believe that Gerrard just isn't up to the job. Was a frantic, ill-tempered game and we went toe to toe with them, but we failed to stretch them or move the ball quickly enough. I thought it was a poor watch overall.
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Luiz total professional even with contractual problems.
Ashley Young was man of the match.
Our finishing is woeful. We had the chances to put it to bed.
An away point against thugs is the minimum.
Leeds are ****** but I liked the constant anger from their player Kristensen.
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A missed opportunity bearing in mind they stopped playing after the sending off. The kind of result which if we'd picked up points vs Bournemouth and Palace you'd say today was one of those games. However we didn't, so therefore a point with a man advantage seems poor.
We had chances, but we lacked drive, intensity and speed of thought and movement throughout especially in midfield. The one player with drive (Ramsey) he substituted, why?
Coutinho's dead ball deliveries are poor. Bailey had a poor 1st half. Positives are the clean sheet and defence.
Bednarek did well enough when he came on though got turned easily towards the end demonstrating little pace.
Imo ref was poor throughout. What is the point of var (unless an sl6 club) if it doesn't pick up the blatant shirt pulling on Mings in the box.
Konsa motm followed by the imperious Mings. 8 from 8 not good enough!
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Is this all down the manager ?
There are players out there that have to do their job
I have come to a belated conviction that Watkins is not the answer, nor Ings although 10 mins is harsh to expect a return
Midfield that creates fuck all
Spoilt I guess watching De Bruyne et al earlier
The manager leaves Watkins on who never looked like scoring.
There was one when he shoot ,hit the goalie as usual when buendia was unmarked on the edge of box ,no football brain. So I'm blaming the manager for that and Buendia never starting, imagine him under Poch.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12710683/steven-gerrard-our-attackers-have-to-do-better
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I thought that was rubbish. Our finishing is abysmal.
Watkins once again no where near good enough. McGinn was sloppy in possession. We are just so ponderous going forward, no sense of urgency and against 10 men too. Coutinho tries hard but can't do it all on his own. Gerrard should have make positive changes as soon as their player saw red, he waited far too long.
Leeds were even dirtier than usual and that's saying something.
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I knew as soon as they went down to 10 we wouldn’t win. We very rarely break down 10 men. Up until that point we were alright, but we badly lack a cutting edge.
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An absolute gimme of a three points once Luiz won us the red card (imagine if that had happened to us, we'd be rightly fcuekd-off with the decision). We were already on top, Leeds showed us too much respect once down to 10 but we just didn't have the quality to make it count.
Did Konsa really used to be a right back? His awful touch and technique in possession was painfully highlighted every time he got the ball in the second half. He cannot be our fill-in fullback regardless of injuries.
I also thought that the obvious last change was surely Ings AND Archer. Ings is only gonna provide the final touch but Archer would have scared them with his all-round play.
Ultimately another black mark against Gerrard as the full points were there for the taking.
By the letter of the law it's a yellow which is what he got. I think the ref forgot that he'd already booked him until Mings and Young pointed it out, by which point the dye was cast.
If their player (Sinesterra?) is so much of a knob to deliberately impede a free kick knowing the potential penalty when already on a yellow then tough shit. I'd be fuming with the player not the ref if it was the other way around.
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Is this all down the manager ?
There are players out there that have to do their job
I have come to a belated conviction that Watkins is not the answer, nor Ings although 10 mins is harsh to expect a return
Midfield that creates fuck all
Spoilt I guess watching De Bruyne et al earlier
t's very hard to judge in my opinion. Yes we missed some chances (personally I thought the Konsa one was the worst of the lot) but a big part of why we don't do better with our chances is that too foten we give teams time to get back into decent positions which makes the chances far harder. For me that's where better management and coaching has an impact, our attacking play is slow because the player on the ball is waiting to know who is going to run, etc. A better coached team knows those runs before they happen and that gives them half a second more to take advantage. It's all about the fine margins to know who is a good or bad manager but I think the stupid money in the premier league has blinded a lot of people to that so the answer is always to buy another player to solve the problem for you instead of actually putting the work in.
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We are pathetic
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An absolute gimme of a three points once Luiz won us the red card (imagine if that had happened to us, we'd be rightly fcuekd-off with the decision). We were already on top, Leeds showed us too much respect once down to 10 but we just didn't have the quality to make it count.
Did Konsa really used to be a right back? His awful touch and technique in possession was painfully highlighted every time he got the ball in the second half. He cannot be our fill-in fullback regardless of injuries.
I also thought that the obvious last change was surely Ings AND Archer. Ings is only gonna provide the final touch but Archer would have scared them with his all-round play.
Ultimately another black mark against Gerrard as the full points were there for the taking.
By the letter of the law it's a yellow which is what he got. I think the ref forgot that he'd already booked him until Mings and Young pointed it out, by which point the dye was cast.
If their player (Sinesterra?) is so much of a knob to deliberately impede a free kick knowing the potential penalty when already on a yellow then tough shit. I'd be fuming with the player not the ref if it was the other way around.
Yep, they can't have any complaints, it was a really fucking stupid thing to do and left the ref without much choice.
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What is the Leeds Mings song mentioned in the match thread? How offensive is it?
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What is the Leeds Mings song mentioned in the match thread? How offensive is it?
Didn’t hear one today but last year it was “Tyrone Mings… fucking shit”
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What is the Leeds Mings song mentioned in the match thread? How offensive is it?
Didn’t hear one today but last year it was “Tyrone Mings… fucking shit”
They sang it plenty of times today
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What is the Leeds Mings song mentioned in the match thread? How offensive is it?
Didn’t hear one today but last year it was “Tyrone Mings… fucking shit”
They sang it plenty of times today
Yep that was it. The response was either He's here he's there etc or Patrick Bamford, he's fucking shit...
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Will we be able to bore our way to 40 points and safety?
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Watkins isn't clever enough that's the long and short of it.
Archer needs a chance and the. Manager is a fucking idiot for not giving him one, especially with him then loaning about our attackers after the match.
We're devoid of ideas as a team. Buendia has ideas and tricks, Coutinho looked good at times but because he had Watkins to link with he just isn't as effective.
And then we go with Watkins and Ings again. What is the fucking point of that.
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Will we be able to bore our way to 40 points and safety?
Yes
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Will we be able to bore our way to 40 points and safety?
Yes
In which case another year of my life ticked off with zero expectation
Thinking today about at which stage do I stop planning my life about watching the Villa
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We really are in need of a centre forward who can run into space and finish when given a chance, so why we do not try Archer while Watkins is so out of form I don’t know. He’s worth a chance. He might even save Gerrard getting the sack.
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What is the Leeds Mings song mentioned in the match thread? How offensive is it?
Didn’t hear one today but last year it was “Tyrone Mings… fucking shit”
They sang it plenty of times today
Sound wasn’t on that loud in the pub
They only don’t like him because they’re racist?
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They're from a simpler time.
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I envy those who can envisage progress under this Manager because I can't see it all.
The issue is that it wasn't terrible today but it wasn't good either and it's just groundhog day in terms of selection and tactics for almost every game.
It's just a matter of time, and that as far as I am concerned, is time wasted.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/12710631/leeds-0-0-aston-villa-premier-league-highlights
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I envy those who can envisage progress under this Manager because I can't see it all.
The issue is that it wasn't terrible today but it wasn't good either and it's just groundhog day in terms of selection and tactics for almost every game.
It's just a matter of time, and that as far as I am concerned, is time wasted.
Yup
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Anyone think he'll be sacked if we lose to Forest?
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Anyone think he'll be sacked if we lose to Forest?
No.
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Anyone think he'll be sacked if we lose to Forest?
Probably not
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I reckon we will draw. Seems a bit like Lambert in that he will keep getting the bare minimum number of points not to get sacked, without ever doing any good.
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Bamford scores that chance and he’d have been gone this week.
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Not read any of this thread but sure I’m going to echo a lot, I won’t say the names I screamed at the screen when he bought bloody Ings on again….we needed pace on the pitch but instead of giving Archer a go bloody slow coach Ings again!
Gerrard seems happy to die on the hills of Watkins/Ings….Coutinho over Buendia & the absolutely pants 433….midfield needs another body and we don’t need to start 3 up top doing little.
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The lack of attacking fluency is perplexing given the players at his disposal. There’s just no patterns of play and we get worse when the opposition let us have possession. It just feels like hit and hope for a moment of individual inspiration. A year in we should be seeing more, far more.
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As soon as they went to 10 men I said to my mate “I’d take a 0-0 right now”
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As soon as they went to 10 men I said to my mate “I’d take a 0-0 right now”
Said exactly the same to my son. But then again I'd said the same ar kick off too.
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I reckon we will draw. Seems a bit like Lambert in that he will keep getting the bare minimum number of points not to get sacked, without ever doing any good.
I think the difference is in comparative budgets. He’s inherited a squad that had a lot of money spent on it and was then given more to spend himself. Injuries have been cruel to him, but I think most of our squad have regressed since he’s been here.
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The lack of attacking fluency is perplexing given the players at his disposal. There’s just no patterns of play and we get worse when the opposition let us have possession. It just feels like hit and hope for a moment of individual inspiration. A year in we should be seeing more, far more.
It's Bruce-ball, get the defence organised as best you can and then hope you have enough quality up the pitch to grind out enough wins for you to keep your job.
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I reckon we will draw. Seems a bit like Lambert in that he will keep getting the bare minimum number of points not to get sacked, without ever doing any good.
I think the difference is in comparative budgets. He’s inherited a squad that had a lot of money spent on it and was then given more to spend himself. Injuries have been cruel to him, but I think most of our squad have regressed since he’s been here.
I agree. Just don't feel that Purslow will be willing to admit his mistake yet.
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What is the Leeds Mings song mentioned in the match thread? How offensive is it?
Didn’t hear one today but last year it was “Tyrone Mings… fucking shit”
They sang it plenty of times today
Sound wasn’t on that loud in the pub
They only don’t like him because they’re racist
I had a look on one of their messageboards, it appears they don’t like him for being dirty in previous matches from what I can tell.
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
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https://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sports/football/12710683/steven-gerrard-our-attackers-have-to-do-better
Another bus for Gerrard to bat his eyes at before he lobs someone else under it
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Will we be able to bore our way to 40 points and safety?
Yes
But the next 32 points might be a strain to watch.
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Will we be able to bore our way to 40 points and safety?
Yes
But the next 32 points might be a strain to watch.
It’ll be closer to 25
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
Why is it only Mings they target in this way?
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I reckon we will draw. Seems a bit like Lambert in that he will keep getting the bare minimum number of points not to get sacked, without ever doing any good.
I think the difference is in comparative budgets. He’s inherited a squad that had a lot of money spent on it and was then given more to spend himself. Injuries have been cruel to him, but I think most of our squad have regressed since he’s been here.
I agree. Just don't feel that Purslow will be willing to admit his mistake yet.
I was thinking this was like the Lambert years earlier. Had very little expectation of a good performance today but thought we might sneak something and that would do. It is so fucking tedious and the sooner this manager pisses off the better.
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
Why is it only Mings they target in this way?
England player and he has had a few scrapes with Leeds?
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
Why is it only Mings they target in this way?
England player and he has had a few scrapes with Leeds?
What scrapes has he had with them compared to any of our other players? In my opinion Mings gets grief because he is "outspoken". That is to say, he is an articulate anti racist. If folks don't like that, as Leeds fans don't seem to, I think it's worth pointing out.
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
Why is it only Mings they target in this way?
England player and he has had a few scrapes with Leeds?
What scrapes has he had with them compared to any of our other players? In my opinion Mings gets grief because he is "outspoken". That is to say, he is an articulate anti racist. If folks don't like that, as Leeds fans don't seem to, I think it's worth pointing out.
Yep. This is how I see it
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Why wasn't Chambers on the bench and what has Gerrard got against Cam Archer?
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
Why is it only Mings they target in this way?
England player and he has had a few scrapes with Leeds?
What scrapes has he had with them compared to any of our other players? In my opinion Mings gets grief because he is "outspoken". That is to say, he is an articulate anti racist. If folks don't like that, as Leeds fans don't seem to, I think it's worth pointing out.
I would if there happened to be evidence, that’s why I had a look what was said on the Leeds site.
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3 unbeaten
What's not to like?😁
4 as we didn't lose to Leicester either.
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Marsh is a bloody hypocrite. Yes Villa were slow, but his side, even before they had a man sent off, were a bunch of cynical fouling bastards. He’s not some footballing genius, and his team are a load of cloggers.
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Personally, I loved when Mings picked up Bamford by the scruff of the neck, but if anyone did that to a Villa player, I'd sing abuse at them forever. I think it's easy to claim it's a race related thing but I'd need to see more evidence before claiming that, myself.
For me, Villa were the most offensive thing tonight. I hate the way we play. Someone on page 1 mentioned that we seem to just have big name players on the pitch and expect them to make it work. That's what we used to accuse Bruce of. Is this continual progress?
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
Racists don't tend to think of themselves as racist. It's only started since Mings was outspoken about racism. It doesn't happen at clubs like Man U where he did make a bad tackle against them, it does happen at Leeds with their notoriously racist fans.
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Personally, I loved when Mings picked up Bamford by the scruff of the neck, but if anyone did that to a Villa player, I'd sing abuse at them forever. I think it's easy to claim it's a race related thing but I'd need to see more evidence before claiming that, myself.
For me, Villa were the most offensive thing tonight. I hate the way we play. Someone on page 1 mentioned that we seem to just have big name players on the pitch and expect them to make it work. That's what we used to accuse Bruce of. Is this continual progress?
Leeds are a horrible cynical side.
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Why wasn't Chambers on the bench and what has Gerrard got against Cam Archer?
Must admit I thought it strange he didn't use Chambers when Carlos got injured, or before even (had Carlos and Chambers down as first choice pairing). However credit to Gerrard he has got the Mings / Konsa partnership looking more like the solid unit it used to be.
I also though that Guilbert should be right back after Cash got injured, but Young has been very good, if anything better than Cash has been this season.
Be interesting to see who plays left back next game. One thing I will credit Gerrard with, he hasn't used injuries as an excuse, hasn't used lack of signings as an excuse.
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Yeah, sure. Leeds are renowned for their sense of fair play.
Have a look. I didn’t get the impression it’s race related.
Racists don't tend to think of themselves as racist. It's only started since Mings was outspoken about racism. It doesn't happen at clubs like Man U where he did make a bad tackle against them, it does happen at Leeds with their notoriously racist fans.
Different folks, I guess. If I call someone a racist, I’ll be sure to have grounds for it.
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It's not "someone". It's a club with a long history of racism.
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Another truly awful spectacle. I was glad my two year old grandson was running around the house while the game was on. He provided a very welcome distraction.
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Watkins is willing, but well below the standard required.
He did everything right in terms of runs and hold up play, and never looked like scoring in a million years
Exactly, he takes up decent positions but his finishing lacks any guile, craft or precision. On most occasions he hits it tamely, straight at the keeper. He makes Raheem Sterling look like a clinical finisher.
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It's not "someone". It's a club with a long history of racism.
If you have any evidence from today, hand it over.
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I'm not going to pop to Leeds and interview every fan. They're a club with a long history of racism, Tyrone Mings is an outspoken supporter of BLM.
If you'd rather believe that every Leeds fan has abandoned decades of racism and that the Norman Hunter Stand have suddenly become steadfast supporters of fair play, you can do.
After our last match there, their supporters were racially abusing Ghana Villains online all night. Maybe they've changed, given the ongoing abuse that Tyrone Mings (and precisely no other players) received, I doubt it.
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I'm not going to pop to Leeds and interview every fan. They're a club with a long history of racism, Tyrone Mings is an outspoken supporter of BLM.
If you'd rather believe that every Leeds fan has abandoned decades of racism and that the Norman Hunter Stand have suddenly become steadfast supporters of fair play, you can do.
Well tag all Villa fans like that too then. As we also have racist c**ts.
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Villa undoubtedly have racist ****** among our support. They've never been in the majority, though, like at Leeds, Millwall, Chelsea, Lazio, Zenit, etc.
And I'm not labelling all Leeds fans. Just the ones that abuse Tyrone Mings and none of our other players. Because they're racist ******.
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Mings has had various run ins with Bamford and picked him up in a fairly 'agricultural' manner on at least a couple of occasions, including the El Ghazi sending off game in the Championship, and then again in the game where Bamford got the hat trick in our second season back up. One of my two best mates is a Leeds fan, and he cannot stand Mings in the same way that I hate Bamford, and he hasn't got a racist bone in his body.
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Villa undoubtedly have racist ****** among our support. They've never been in the majority, though, like at Leeds, Millwall, Chelsea, Lazio, Zenit, etc.
And I'm not labelling all Leeds fans. Just the ones that abuse Tyrone Mings and none of our other players. Because they're racist ******.
Yup. It’s sad, and unacceptable, that there are any fans with those attitudes at any club. But Leeds have an especially high volume of them.
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Villa undoubtedly have racist ****** among our support. They've never been in the majority, though, like at Leeds, Millwall, Chelsea, Lazio, Zenit, etc.
If you think the majority of Leeds fans are racist, I think you have a problem.
They are not.
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Believe what you want to believe. I know what they are.
Mings wasn't abused before the BLM movement entered football.
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Can you start a separate thread, please?
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Yes, apologies, I didn't mean to discuss the treatment of a Villa player by Leeds supporters on the Leeds vs Villa thread. Silly me.
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Believe what you want to believe. I know what they are.
Mings wasn't abused before the BLM movement entered football.
They gave him dog's abuse at Elland Road in the 1-1 game in the Championship, where a lot of the bad blood originates from, and he's one of only two players from that game still playing for us. If it's just racism, why aren't they doing the same for Young, Konsa or any of our other black players?
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Because they're not outspoken. As I said before (can't rememeber which thread probably the Mings one), racist fans have to accept Black players nowadays, because it's not the 70s/80s anymore and there are loads of them. They can still be massively racist to the outspoken ones though, as Leeds are with Mings.
Still, no more from me as don't want to annoy Legion any further. People can believe what they want and I'll do likewise. 🙂
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Gerrard has the imagination of a termite, you can guarantee that if we need to score with ten to go he will bring on Ings, even though it has never ever worked, he will still bring him on. Have had sympathy for Watkins in the past but he had three one on ones today and never looked like it, love his energy but we need someone who has the skill in the box.
Like the way Wolves management saw the manager as a problem and acted, sorry to say ours will be content as long as we are safe from relegation.
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Without the Mings saving block last season against Burnley at our last home game Leeds would have been related.
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Without the Mings saving block last season against Burnley at our last home game Leeds would have been related.
Pretty sure all Leeds fans are related. Weird bunch.
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Without the Mings saving block last season against Burnley at our last home game Leeds would have been related.
Let's be honest, that's almost a reason for US to get on his back! :-D
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Not pretty but another clean sheet and a point away from home.
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Because they're not outspoken. As I said before (can't rememeber which thread probably the Mings one), racist fans have to accept Black players nowadays, because it's not the 70s/80s anymore and there are loads of them. They can still be massively racist to the outspoken ones though, as Leeds are with Mings.
Still, no more from me as don't want to annoy Legion any further. People can believe what they want and I'll do likewise. 🙂
They're unusually selective for racists then.
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Because they're not outspoken. As I said before (can't rememeber which thread probably the Mings one), racist fans have to accept Black players nowadays, because it's not the 70s/80s anymore and there are loads of them. They can still be massively racist to the outspoken ones though, as Leeds are with Mings.
Still, no more from me as don't want to annoy Legion any further. People can believe what they want and I'll do likewise. 🙂
“Loads of them”.
You said earlier “racists don’t tend to think of themselves as racist”.
I don’t think you are racist btw. Just that you throw accusations, without any consideration or merit.
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Gerrard has the imagination of a termite
Not a fair comparison at all. Termites build their nests according to prevailing conditions
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Didn't watch. Sounded like a drab affair.
A point away to those cretins isn't a terrible result, but the football we've played of late under Gerrard has me finding other things to do, rather than watch the match, sometimes.
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Awful game of football, but another point towards safety, and a game less to watch this season.
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A few points chaps.
No goals conceded away from home, could be worse.
Agreed, Watkins should be a 2nd choice striker, we need to spend big on a target man in the window. A young bamford style player wouldn't go amiss.
The positives, Stevie bringing on Buendia was inspired, we hit the post. Fine margins fellas, hello?
Play that game another day and we'd be coming down the M1 with all three points.
The G man will be hurting today as proven winners do when there's a bump or two in the road. The wheels haven't come off yet, chums
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A few points chaps.
No goals conceded away from home, could be worse.
Agreed, Watkins should be a 2nd choice striker, we need to spend big on a target man in the window. A young bamford style player wouldn't go amiss.
The positives, Steven bringing on Buendia was inspired, we hit the post. Fine margins fellas, hello?
Play that game another day and we'd be coming down the M1 with all three points.
The G man will be hurting today as proven winners do when there's a bump or two in the road. The wheels haven't come off yet, chums
You a newbie? Or do I hear an echo?
We don't get to play that game again. It is a bad result under the circumstances.
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I still think the primary problem in the team is the lack of tempo through midfield. We just allow teams to reorganise.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
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It's another game where we didnt look like scoring sadly. It needed a bit of imagination from Gerrard to open them up and I think Bendy and Archer would have been my choices. If Coutinhos effort goes in, I think the game is ours but overall again, whilst a point is decent away from home, it should have been more.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
What a whiny bitch.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
What a whiny bitch.
Yes and hilariously one-eyed. Before the lost a man they were constantly fouling and taking time out of the game.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
What a whiny bitch.
Yes and hilariously one-eyed. Before the lost a man they were constantly fouling and taking time out of the game.
They play like they're fed on a diet of Sunny D
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
What a whiny bitch.
He's such a penis, isn't he.
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He doesn’t mention the 23 fouls and the countless others they got away with, the constant whinging of his players every time the ref gave a decision against them with usually 2 or 3 of the around the ref.
No they were the epitome of good behavior and sportsmanship.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
What a whiny bitch.
He reflects their fans. They've overtaken Newcastle supporters as the biggest crybabies in the league.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
What a whiny bitch.
He reflects their fans. They've overtaken Newcastle supporters as the biggest crybabies in the league.
Just have a look at their forum and you'll see what they're like. Stuff like this "every time one of our players tackled one of theirs it was a foul or a booking. Every time one of their players fouled one of our players they got away with it"
Bunch of whinging one eyed twats. Their manager reflects the fans perfectly.
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The only decision they had a right to moan about was Bailey not getting booked for kicking the ball away, but it's the sort of thing, rightly or wrongly, you often get away with early on.
After the red card, which was indisputable, he was fairly generous to Leeds and could easily have shown a few more cards. Koch didn't get booked till his third of fourth borderline yellow card foul, for instance.
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Correct. He allowed them to dish out heavier tackles without punishment.
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My god ,the only decent game plan we seem to have, is the time wasting to break up their momentum. give us a break :(
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Was fortunate to have a ticket yesterday.
Although being right a the back and having to crouch down to see our corners in the first half was a bit of a hassle.
Still another ground ticked off I suppose.
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The only decision they had a right to moan about was Bailey not getting booked for kicking the ball away, but it's the sort of thing, rightly or wrongly, you often get away with early on.
After the red card, which was indisputable, he was fairly generous to Leeds and could easily have shown a few more cards. Koch didn't get booked till his third of fourth borderline yellow card foul, for instance.
He definitely bottled it after the red card, by that time the crowd had got to him. It must be a bloody awful place to try and ref though.
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My god ,the only decent game plan we seem to have, is the time wasting to break up their momentum. give us a break :(
He admitted it.
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It was a terrible game of football but one we should have won. If you’re feeling generous you could describe it as a battling point at a difficult place to visit, if not then it’s points dropped due to poor finishing. At the moment Gerrard is achieving the bare minimum to keep his job but it just moves the pressure to the next game.
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It was a terrible game of football but one we should have won. If you’re feeling generous you could describe it as a battling point at a difficult place to visit, if not then it’s points dropped due to poor finishing. At the moment Gerrard is achieving the bare minimum to keep his job but it just moves the pressure to the next game.
Agree, and it goes one of 2 ways, he either discovers how to set the team up to get the best out of the resources we have or eventually the owners will make a decision.
McLeish and Lambert were allowed way too much time to persist with this strategy.
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It was a terrible game of football but one we should have won. If you’re feeling generous you could describe it as a battling point at a difficult place to visit, if not then it’s points dropped due to poor finishing. At the moment Gerrard is achieving the bare minimum to keep his job but it just moves the pressure to the next game.
Agree, and it goes one of 2 ways, he either discovers how to set the team up to get the best out of the resources we have or eventually the owners will make a decision.
McLeish and Lambert were allowed way too much time to persist with this strategy.
We all know how this is going to end. Why dont the owners just get on with it.
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To be fair to Gerrard, having Carlos, Digne, Cash, Kamara and then Augustinsson all out injured it means the midfield maybe should do more to help defend. However, letting Guilbert rot and taking the captaincy away from Mings hasn't helped either.
It's a bit of a mess.
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To be fair to Gerrard, having Carlos, Digne, Cash, Kamara and then Augustinsson all out injured it means the midfield maybe should do more to help defend. However, letting Guilbert rot and taking the captaincy away from Mings hasn't helped either.
It's a bit of a mess.
You could argue that although it could have been handled better, taking the captaincy from Mings is one thing that HAS worked. His form has been miles better since.
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Congratulations to Svante Paabo on his award for research into Leeds supporters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63116304
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To be fair to Gerrard, having Carlos, Digne, Cash, Kamara and then Augustinsson all out injured it means the midfield maybe should do more to help defend. However, letting Guilbert rot and taking the captaincy away from Mings hasn't helped either.
It's a bit of a mess.
You could argue that although it could have been handled better, taking the captaincy from Mings is one thing that HAS worked. His form has been miles better since.
I was just going to post similar. It was one of his better idea's. It was the rest of it that was a mess.
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Is this all down the manager ?
There are players out there that have to do their job
I have come to a belated conviction that Watkins is not the answer, nor Ings although 10 mins is harsh to expect a return
Midfield that creates fuck all
Spoilt I guess watching De Bruyne et al earlier
t's very hard to judge in my opinion. Yes we missed some chances (personally I thought the Konsa one was the worst of the lot) but a big part of why we don't do better with our chances is that too foten we give teams time to get back into decent positions which makes the chances far harder. For me that's where better management and coaching has an impact, our attacking play is slow because the player on the ball is waiting to know who is going to run, etc. A better coached team knows those runs before they happen and that gives them half a second more to take advantage. It's all about the fine margins to know who is a good or bad manager but I think the stupid money in the premier league has blinded a lot of people to that so the answer is always to buy another player to solve the problem for you instead of actually putting the work in.
100% this. When one player has to slow down a second or two to figure out what to do, it slows us down a bit. When 5, 6 or more players all have to slow down a second or two to figure out what to do, you basically get our slow, ponderous attacking play, as it accumulates.
I personally thought Watkins was really good yesterday in terms of his runs. You take him out, no one makes those runs and our attacking play looks even worse than it did yesterday. His chances were what they were, though I thought Muslier did well for them and showed what he is good at.
I also thought that Coutinho and Young linked up nicely on the left. And I although I am firmly of the belief that Gerrard is as good at setting up an attacking team as Southgate, we played some decent stuff on the left.
End of the day, we were away, we got a point. I am not going to go apeshit over it.
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To be fair to Gerrard, having Carlos, Digne, Cash, Kamara and then Augustinsson all out injured it means the midfield maybe should do more to help defend. However, letting Guilbert rot and taking the captaincy away from Mings hasn't helped either.
It's a bit of a mess.
You could argue that although it could have been handled better, taking the captaincy from Mings is one thing that HAS worked. His form has been miles better since.
The problem was making McGinn captain. He would have probably been better off giving it to Martinez. While you wouldn't normally associate goalkeepers as being captains, it shouldn't have been a negative and would have allowed us to drop McGinn on the basis of form without it becoming a big issue.
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To be fair to Gerrard, having Carlos, Digne, Cash, Kamara and then Augustinsson all out injured it means the midfield maybe should do more to help defend. However, letting Guilbert rot and taking the captaincy away from Mings hasn't helped either.
It's a bit of a mess.
You could argue that although it could have been handled better, taking the captaincy from Mings is one thing that HAS worked. His form has been miles better since.
The problem was making McGinn captain. He would have probably been better off giving it to Martinez. While you wouldn't normally associate goalkeepers as being captains, it shouldn't have been a negative and would have allowed us to drop McGinn on the basis of form without it becoming a big issue.
This shouldn't be an issue with Young in the team because, nominally at least, is the club captain.
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If i'd have been told before the game it was going to be a 0-0 i probably wouldn't have been too upset. I thought Leeds were better than that and with our injuries a point wouldn't have been too bad.
But, Leeds were absolutely shite, at least as bad as last season when we beat them 3-0. We're going backwards, we won't have a better chance for 3 away points all season especially with the player being sent off, and we blew it. The injuries we have to the defensive players actually didn't matter yesterday as Leeds were so shit they didn't put us under a lot of pressure anyway.From an attacking sense it was utterly toothless and with the players we have it doesn't add up. You just knew it would end 0-0 once they had one sent off, but it shouldn't.
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One of our group didn't get in as ticket didn't work. He sat across the road at the chip shop. Another got punched on leaving the ground. Has reported it but doubt it will go any further. So disappointed we didn't get 3 points. We are treading water under Gerrard and I can't see the great leap forward under him. Get Poch him and give him the time and funds needed.
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I just still don't see how this is going to get us to where we want to go long-term, and there's a chance it might drag us all the way down to where we absolutely cannot go.
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Ashley Young has been a big positive these last few games, as has the apparent return to form of Martinez Konsa and Mings (although hardly troubled yesterday).
Beyond that it is difficult to find any positives, and what's even more worrying is I don't care anywhere as near as much as I used to. I'm sure that's only a temporary mindset, but worrying nonetheless.
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Ashley Young has been a big positive these last few games, as has the apparent return to form of Martinez Konsa and Mings (although hardly troubled yesterday).
Beyond that it is difficult to find any positives, and what's even more worrying is I don't care anywhere as near as much as I used to. I'm sure that's only a temporary mindset, but worrying nonetheless.
Luiz is a big positive for me too. Hasn't sulked since the move to Arsenal fell through and was the dominant midfielder on view. A lot more spiky and physical in the challenge which was long overdue. Didn't miss Kamara in the slightest.
Bednarek worries me I have to say. The one time he was ran at they nearly got in for a goal. Milk would turn faster than him.
It's the other end of pitch that the problems. All good players in their own right but the mix seems wrong. Buendia and Coutinho occupying same space again. Ramsey not breaking into the box enough for me either.
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I feel the same. I've been going down since 1965 and the Smith / Grealish years were a big reconnect with me after the dog end of the Lerner years and Xia etc. I know the club was trying to push on but we seem to have become very corporate and SGs interviews seem somewhat detached from what we see on the pitch. Like you, a push towards Europe would probably fire me up again but we are almost a year down the line with SG and the lack of continuous improvement goes on having spent a shedload of dough on "older" players. The young un's ain't getting a look in hardly.
Ashley Young has been a big positive these last few games, as has the apparent return to form of Martinez Konsa and Mings (although hardly troubled yesterday).
Beyond that it is difficult to find any positives, and what's even more worrying is I don't care anywhere as near as much as I used to. I'm sure that's only a temporary mindset, but worrying nonetheless.
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Mings has been way better lately. I don’t think Martinez ever really dropped out of form, Konsa for me is not showing improvement and I would play Chambers instead. Luiz has been good lately despite the transfer issue and he should certainly play whilst Kamara is injured.
And at the other end we’ve got to be close to dropping Watkins and Bailey and Bringing in Buendia and Ings with Archer getting on at some point every game
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Just no to Ings. We'll just spend even longer in games on the back foot
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One of our group didn't get in as ticket didn't work. He sat across the road at the chip shop.
That lucky bastard!
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Just no to Ings. We'll just spend even longer in games on the back foot
Yeah he's finished at this level. Definitely would prefer Archer coming on than Ings these days. I like Ings but we really should have found a way in the summer to cut our losses with him.
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One of our group didn't get in as ticket didn't work. He sat across the road at the chip shop.
That lucky bastard!
Lucky fat bastard!
*Based on him gorging on chips all afternoon.
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Mings has been way better lately. I don’t think Martinez ever really dropped out of form, Konsa for me is not showing improvement and I would play Chambers instead. Luiz has been good lately despite the transfer issue and he should certainly play whilst Kamara is injured.
And at the other end we’ve got to be close to dropping Watkins and Bailey and Bringing in Buendia and Ings with Archer getting on at some point every game
Regarding Martinez I definitely think he had a wobble, seemed to go through a phase where he was getting beaten by low shots a little too often for my liking. He seems to get low down a lot quicker when making saves now.
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One of our group didn't get in as ticket didn't work. He sat across the road at the chip shop.
That lucky bastard!
Lucky fat bastard!
*Based on him gorging on chips all afternoon.
I could see Subway from where I was standing yesterday and I must admit that even their menu became a thing of real interest during most of the game.
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With Smith I imagine he would have taken responsibility for his failings, but with Gerrard it seems the opposite
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Congratulations to Svante Paabo on his award for research into Leeds supporters.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63116304
Looool. Very funny.
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Apologies if this has already been covered but why didn't we get a pen for the blatant pull on Tyrone's shirt?
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Apologies if this has already been covered but why didn't we get a pen for the blatant pull on Tyrone's shirt?
...because we're not one of the sl6.
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With Smith I imagine he would have taken responsibility for his failings, but with Gerrard it seems the opposite
When did Smith do that then?
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Do the players actually believe in what they are being asked to do? As far as I could see it was a big boot from the back, hoping to finish up somewhere near one of our players up front; in midfield they got the ball looked around to see if anyone was moving or looking to receive a pass and found that no one was whereupon by this time an opponent had clattered into them. On the very few occasions we looked to achieve our aim of getting the ball into our forward man (Watkins) who then decided to hit it straight at the Leeds keeper. There seemed to be no energy throughout the team, no one was moving or looking to receive the ball. If things do not change then I am afraid improvements to obtain further capacity can be forgotten about.
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Ashley Young has been a big positive these last few games, as has the apparent return to form of Martinez Konsa and Mings (although hardly troubled yesterday).
Beyond that it is difficult to find any positives, and what's even more worrying is I don't care anywhere as near as much as I used to. I'm sure that's only a temporary mindset, but worrying nonetheless.
Luiz is a big positive for me too. Hasn't sulked since the move to Arsenal fell through and was the dominant midfielder on view. A lot more spiky and physical in the challenge which was long overdue. Didn't miss Kamara in the slightest.
Bednarek worries me I have to say. The one time he was ran at they nearly got in for a goal. Milk would turn faster than him.
It's the other end of pitch that the problems. All good players in their own right but the mix seems wrong. Buendia and Coutinho occupying same space again. Ramsey not breaking into the box enough for me either.
Agree about Bednarek, but expect Chambers would have come on, if available, and he is another one, we can add to our injury list, has an abdominal injury, but should be available for the Forest match, so I understand. Regarding the positives from yesterday, I would say McGinn, was probably, the most pleasing, best performance for a while.
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I think McGinn probably saved us a point with that last ditch tackle right at the end.
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He did, it was fantastic defending. I'd just cursed him to high heaven for his shit shot the previous minute, in the pub I was watching the game in Catford so I made sure to clap vociferously when he did the last-ditch thing. I was probably over-compensating, it was only me and a polite Leeds fan watching the game.
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Do the players actually believe in what they are being asked to do? As far as I could see it was a big boot from the back, hoping to finish up somewhere near one of our players up front; in midfield they got the ball looked around to see if anyone was moving or looking to receive a pass and found that no one was whereupon by this time an opponent had clattered into them. On the very few occasions we looked to achieve our aim of getting the ball into our forward man (Watkins) who then decided to hit it straight at the Leeds keeper. There seemed to be no energy throughout the team, no one was moving or looking to receive the ball. If things do not change then I am afraid improvements to obtain further capacity can be forgotten about.
In fairness, it would have been suicide to try to play out from the back. Leeds press very hard and we’d have ended up in all kinds of trouble. I have no issue playing percentages at the moment. Like it or not he’s put points ahead of performances in the last 3 games and will continue to do so until we climb the table or he loses his job.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
I didn't think Leeds could appoint a bigger twat than Bielsa but oh boy how they have managed it. What an utter titflap honestly. Making a report to the authorities, what about you absolutely dumb ******? The away team trying to draw the sting of the home team? That's what away teams do you great stupid arsecloth.
I really hope I can get to the home game against them so I can get a seat near Jesse Marsch and hurl abuse and vegetables. The twat
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Was fortunate to have a ticket yesterday.
Although being right a the back and having to crouch down to see our corners in the first half was a bit of a hassle.
Still another ground ticked off I suppose.
One I've not been to yet. My lad is at Leeds Uni so hoping to combine visits next season maybe
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Towards the end of his time at Villa, Smith came out with the same crap as Gerrard. I wish they would tell it as it really is as us fans are not that daft to believe the bullshit. I wonder if our 26,000 on the waiting list has gone down a tad with our excruciating performances so far this season. If things don’t get a bit more exciting with our general play, they can scramble for my season ticket next season.
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Is "scrambles" still a thing? I do hope so.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
I didn't think Leeds could appoint a bigger twat than Bielsa but oh boy how they have managed it. What an utter titflap honestly. Making a report to the authorities, what about you absolutely dumb ******? The away team trying to draw the sting of the home team? That's what away teams do you great stupid arsecloth.
I really hope I can get to the home game against them so I can get a seat near Jesse Marsch and hurl abuse and vegetables. The twat
Fantastic rant mate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
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Jesse is being a big Jesse.
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He's like Ted Lasso's chippier but just as clueless brother.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
I didn't think Leeds could appoint a bigger twat than Bielsa but oh boy how they have managed it. What an utter titflap honestly. Making a report to the authorities, what about you absolutely dumb ******? The away team trying to draw the sting of the home team? That's what away teams do you great stupid arsecloth.
I really hope I can get to the home game against them so I can get a seat near Jesse Marsch and hurl abuse and vegetables. The twat
Fantastic rant mate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Indeed😂 I propose that titflap should be entered into the Oxford English Dictionary.
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To be fair, I feel sorry for Leeds fans, too.
Waking up every morning knowing that a) you support Leeds; and/or b) everybody in the world hates you; must be a bit traumatic.
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
I didn't think Leeds could appoint a bigger twat than Bielsa but oh boy how they have managed it. What an utter titflap honestly. Making a report to the authorities, what about you absolutely dumb ******? The away team trying to draw the sting of the home team? That's what away teams do you great stupid arsecloth.
I really hope I can get to the home game against them so I can get a seat near Jesse Marsch and hurl abuse and vegetables. The twat
Fantastic rant mate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Indeed😂 I propose that titflap should be entered into the Oxford English Dictionary.
Agreed.
Magnificent rant which I enjoyed reading.
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Why do them lot hate Mings so much? Aside for the obvious reasons....
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Why do them lot hate Mings so much? Aside for the obvious reasons....
There are no reasons aside from the obvious ones. C***s.
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Tbh the Leeds fans that massively outnumbered us Villa fans at the punk and new wave festival in Skeggy at the weekend were a friendly enough bunch. Don't know if that would have stayed the same had we scored.
Not quite sure why they were in such greater number. The two clubs have about the same size fanbase, Leeds is barely nearer to Skeg than is Brum. Perhaps they have a greater reach over thar way than we do. Or maybe punk was a bigger thing in Leeds than Brum...?
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
I've read some shite over the years from Football Managers but that is above it all. Who the fuck is he going to complain too the massive bellend.
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I think McGinn probably saved us a point with that last ditch tackle right at the end.
Maybe he's better playing in a deeper lying role, just in front of the back four?
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
I didn't think Leeds could appoint a bigger twat than Bielsa but oh boy how they have managed it. What an utter titflap honestly. Making a report to the authorities, what about you absolutely dumb ******? The away team trying to draw the sting of the home team? That's what away teams do you great stupid arsecloth.
I really hope I can get to the home game against them so I can get a seat near Jesse Marsch and hurl abuse and vegetables. The twat
Fantastic rant mate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
He’s just seems like he’s not in control of his emotions.
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Tbh the Leeds fans that massively outnumbered us Villa fans at the punk and new wave festival in Skeggy at the weekend were a friendly enough bunch. Don't know if that would have stayed the same had we scored.
Not quite sure why they were in such greater number. The two clubs have about the same size fanbase, Leeds is barely nearer to Skeg than is Brum. Perhaps they have a greater reach over thar way than we do. Or maybe punk was a bigger thing in Leeds than Brum...?
I reckon it's just that Skegness isn't particularly associated with Brummie holiday makers. If it was at Weston, North Wales or even Devon/Cornwall there might have been more Villa, perhaps. Skegness is about as close a seaside resort as there is to Leeds.
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Tbh the Leeds fans that massively outnumbered us Villa fans at the punk and new wave festival in Skeggy at the weekend were a friendly enough bunch. Don't know if that would have stayed the same had we scored.
Not quite sure why they were in such greater number. The two clubs have about the same size fanbase, Leeds is barely nearer to Skeg than is Brum. Perhaps they have a greater reach over thar way than we do. Or maybe punk was a bigger thing in Leeds than Brum...?
I reckon it's just that Skegness isn't particularly associated with Brummie holiday makers. If it was at Weston, North Wales or even Devon/Cornwall there might have been more Villa, perhaps. Skegness is about as close a seaside resort as there is to Leeds.
Scarborough much closer to Leeds and always full of loudmouth Yorkshire people. Skeggy mainly Forest/Derby/Leicester. Sorry to be so pedantic.
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Why do them lot hate Mings so much? Aside for the obvious reasons....
There are no reasons aside from the obvious ones. C***s.
Thought so. Dirty bastards. Or in Sean bean voice basturds
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One of our group didn't get in as ticket didn't work. He sat across the road at the chip shop. Another got punched on leaving the ground. Has reported it but doubt it will go any further. So disappointed we didn't get 3 points. We are treading water under Gerrard and I can't see the great leap forward under him. Get Poch him and give him the time and funds needed.
Sorry to hear about one of yours getting punched. I was sat next to one of your guys in Row DD, I was in seat 16 and he was in seat 15. Nice guy, says he's got a ST in the Holte and came up to the game with 3 or 4 others in a car.
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He was our driver for the day.
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That was me that got clobbered. Thankfully only been physically abused twice in 35 years of regular attendance. Both times it has been Leeds fans. The other episode was at the league cup final in 96 when me and my brother got set upon by about 8 lads for absolutely no reason.
WPC i spoke to was nice enough, but I wasn't going to go and scour over CCTV as she proposed, we already had a long journey back to Bournemouth looming.
Anyway, apart from the ticket saga with one of our crowd and Villa's inept display i quite enjoyed it and the folks in the Dragon pub were all decent Leeds fans. Our little group of 5 Dorset based Villa fans all get on great and had a good laugh.
Home by midnight and dorsetvillians rant on the way home wasn't nearly as angry as his post Saints rant when i was designated driver.
Up the Villa
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Sorry to hear that damien, hope you're OK and not too traumatised.
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Tbh the Leeds fans that massively outnumbered us Villa fans at the punk and new wave festival in Skeggy at the weekend were a friendly enough bunch. Don't know if that would have stayed the same had we scored.
Not quite sure why they were in such greater number. The two clubs have about the same size fanbase, Leeds is barely nearer to Skeg than is Brum. Perhaps they have a greater reach over thar way than we do. Or maybe punk was a bigger thing in Leeds than Brum...?
I reckon it's just that Skegness isn't particularly associated with Brummie holiday makers. If it was at Weston, North Wales or even Devon/Cornwall there might have been more Villa, perhaps. Skegness is about as close a seaside resort as there is to Leeds.
Scarborough much closer to Leeds and always full of loudmouth Yorkshire people. Skeggy mainly Forest/Derby/Leicester. Sorry to be so pedantic.
As a kid at school in Louth, Lincolnshire, in the summer it would be "It's Derbyshire/Leicestershire/Nottinghamshire miners holiday week...Skegness will be full of girls gagging for it" and us 14 year old boys would obviously do nothing about it. I mean...how do we get to Skeggy as we're too young to drive?
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Leeds United 0-0 Aston Villa: Jesse Marsch 'felt sorry for fans' at Villa's tactics - https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/63111814
I didn't think Leeds could appoint a bigger twat than Bielsa but oh boy how they have managed it. What an utter titflap honestly. Making a report to the authorities, what about you absolutely dumb ******? The away team trying to draw the sting of the home team? That's what away teams do you great stupid arsecloth.
I really hope I can get to the home game against them so I can get a seat near Jesse Marsch and hurl abuse and vegetables. The twat
Fantastic rant mate 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Indeed😂 I propose that titflap should be entered into the Oxford English Dictionary.
Agreed.
Magnificent rant which I enjoyed reading.
Magnificent. That's what I want to read.
Titflap! Ha!
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I must admit that most Yorkshire folk i come in contact with remind me very much of the Harry Enfield character George 'Integrity' Whitebread. 'I say what i like and i like what a bloody well say'.
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"YOU'll never play for YORKshire!!"