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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Risso on July 21, 2022, 12:29:45 PM
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Aston Villa v Man U
3rd round FA Cup friendly - 23 July 10.45am UK time
Hoping to see an improved performance and a bit more of our likely shape for next season. Time to give a few players an extended run rather than a complete change at half time?
I hope Archer starts again, I want to see him against half decent Premier League opposition.
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I'd like to see something resembling the first team start this. It seems the games so far have been tailored to see how specific partnerships get on, but this, and Rennes in particular, should be now seeing how our first team get on.
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I'd like to see more of Archer and KKH.
What I expect it to be:
Martinez
Cash Carlos Mings Digne
McGinn Kamara
Bailey Coutinho Ramsey
Watkins
What I would like to see:
Martinez
KKH Chambers Carlos Digne
McGinn Kamara
Buendia Ramsey Coutinho
Archer
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They'll cheat and win. Of course they will.
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The other friendly thread seems to have disappeared so I'll ask here as nobody reads "Match Threads & Player Ratings".
Are there any photos of us with the actual trophy that we are supposed to have won?
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I dont care if this was a knitting competition i would want to smash these thundercunts.
Score a few then hurt a few as these should be in our direct sights this season to be catching so lets put a marker down.
Both teams used to be great once upon a time and now are not - difference is we accepted it and moved on
VAR is getting ready for when Rat face falls over
God i have a hatred for them that is not surpassed by anything else
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I dont care if this was a knitting competition i would want to smash these thundercunts.
Score a few then hurt a few as these should be in our direct sights this season to be catching so lets put a marker down.
Both teams used to be great once upon a time and now are not - difference is we accepted it and moved on
VAR is getting ready for when Rat face falls over
God i have a hatred for them that is not surpassed by anything else
Seconded
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Hope Morgan and Fred get a look-in, Keinan too if he's staying.
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The other friendly thread seems to have disappeared so I'll ask here as nobody reads "Match Threads & Player Ratings".
Are there any photos of us with the actual trophy that we are supposed to have won?
I don't believe so, I did have a look but couldn't find anything.
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Hope Morgan and Fred get a look-in, Keinan too if he's staying.
Davis is injured. Hamstring. Again.
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I dont care if this was a knitting competition i would want to smash these thundercunts.
Score a few then hurt a few as these should be in our direct sights this season to be catching so lets put a marker down.
Both teams used to be great once upon a time and now are not - difference is we accepted it and moved on
VAR is getting ready for when Rat face falls over
God i have a hatred for them that is not surpassed by anything else
Seconded
Thirded. May their demise be long and painful. They're still the only set of fans that I refuse to discuss football with. They give tossers a bad name, even the Rags down the road don't come anywhere close, they're just there to be laughed at.
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They're still the only set of fans that I refuse to discuss football with.
This above all else - and there are hundreds of reasons to hate them - is the main one.
You only have to listen to that sneering gobshite Goldstein on Talk Shite (or United FM as it should be called) to know exactly why.
I would not say it was Blose level of obsession but they are the 2nd result i look for and hope they have lost.
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They're still the only set of fans that I refuse to discuss football with.
Well, them and Liverpool. Two cheeks of the same arse.
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They're still the only set of fans that I refuse to discuss football with.
Well, them and Liverpool. Two cheeks of the same arse.
Oh no way , I love a condescending chat
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Hope Morgan and Fred get a look-in, Keinan too if he's staying.
Davis is injured. Hamstring. Again.
Not sure if serious...
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If I meet anyone who claims to support them the first question I always ask is "Where do you sit?". Would you be surprised to learn that almost invariably it turns out that I have been to O T far more often than they have?
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They're still the only set of fans that I refuse to discuss football with.
Well, them and Liverpool. Two cheeks of the same arse.
Scousers are generally the most knowledgeable football fans you can ever meet to the point they become boring bastards. They live for football. I don't. I love the Villa the rest is bollox.
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I'm not talking about Scousers, I'm talking about the 99% of the fans that don't come from anywhere near their home city, exactly the same as Man U. Have always seen them as basically the same. They even have the same incredibly boring colours.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
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I don't even mind their own fans doing that. It's when fans of other teams do it that I really want to gag. Revolting behaviour. Nearly as bad as saying "The Theatre of Dreams", which should result in an instant guillotining.
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It won't be easy against the Bangkok Centenary Cup holders but I hop we can sneak a win against the Red Scum.
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I don't even mind their own fans doing that. It's when fans of other teams do it that I really want to gag. Revolting behaviour. Nearly as bad as saying "The Theatre of Dreams", which should result in an instant guillotining.
You disappoint me CD. You're going soft in your old age.
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I don't even mind their own fans doing that. It's when fans of other teams do it that I really want to gag. Revolting behaviour. Nearly as bad as saying "The Theatre of Dreams", which should result in an instant guillotining.
going soft in your old age.
Happens to the best of em.
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I dont care if this was a knitting competition i would want to smash these thundercunts.
Score a few then hurt a few as these should be in our direct sights this season to be catching so lets put a marker down.
Both teams used to be great once upon a time and now are not - difference is we accepted it and moved on
VAR is getting ready for when Rat face falls over
God i have a hatred for them that is not surpassed by anything else
Seconded
Agreed.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
Same goes for Man City. They're constantly referred to as just "City" and it boils my piss. It is very disrespectful to every other club with the name City. We can be legitimately be referred to as just Villa because our name is unique.
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Same goes for Man City. They're constantly referred to as just "City" and it boils my piss. It is very disrespectful to every other club with the name City. We can be legitimately be referred to as just Villa because our name is unique.
Well, now that Ashtown Villa have merged with another club. And it's the Villa isn't it?
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I see you're dismissing Titans of Estonia; Eston (The) Villa
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
There was a post match interview following Man Utd and Sheff Utd. The interviewer asked a Sheff Utd player something like 'How good were Utd today? And the Blades player didn't even think to say' we were rubbish, or 'which United?'
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I see you're dismissing Titans of Estonia; Eston (The) Villa
As well as Pelsall Villa.
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Still annoyed about Stanley Villa and Pinehill Villa changing their names tbh.
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I hope Archer starts again, I want to see him against half decent Premier League opposition.
Same but I think it will be more likely to be as an impact sub again.
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I'd imagine all the outfield players will get 45 minutes so it doesn't make much odds whether they start or come on at half-time.
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I’m all excited for the match, both sides unbeaten in pre-season and they should give our defence a sterner test than we’ve had so far. Should also be a bit more opportunity for our creative players to show what they do.
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I think its great how our Aussie based fans have embraced the Villa on tour. Shows how much we take the match for granted. Not bothered one way or the other about the result tomorrow as long as they have a good work out. Hope the likes of Goughie, Jon and Hatch have had the time of their lives out there.
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Got to say I find playing teams from the same league as us in pre-season pretty underwhelming.
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The advantage of playing them lot though is that it will bring a big audience and a decent fee, which is what they're going for I guess.
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They're still the only set of fans that I refuse to discuss football with.
Well, them and Liverpool. Two cheeks of the same arse.
Scousers are generally the most knowledgeable football fans you can ever meet to the point they become boring bastards. They live for football. I don't. I love the Villa the rest is bollox.
That's my opinion too. I must be in the minority cos I find most of them to be sound and easy to discuss football with.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
My dad's mate universally replies that he's a massive City fan, then proceeds to spend the next 5 minutes or so in a monologue about the last Oxford City game he saw ... then asks them what their favourite Joey Beauchamp moment was.
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It's the genuine/plastic split in both sets. A decent supporter is a decent supporter whoever they support.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
My dad's mate universally replies that he's a massive City fan, then proceeds to spend the next 5 minutes or so in a monologue about the last Oxford City game he saw ... then asks them what their favourite Joey Beauchamp moment was.
Beauchamp played for Oxford United not City. Unless I've missed the point as usual.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
My dad's mate universally replies that he's a massive City fan, then proceeds to spend the next 5 minutes or so in a monologue about the last Oxford City game he saw ... then asks them what their favourite Joey Beauchamp moment was.
Beauchamp played for Oxford United not City. Unless I've missed the point as usual.
Yes, you have.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
My dad's mate universally replies that he's a massive City fan, then proceeds to spend the next 5 minutes or so in a monologue about the last Oxford City game he saw ... then asks them what their favourite Joey Beauchamp moment was.
Beauchamp played for Oxford United not City. Unless I've missed the point as usual.
I looked him up on Wikipedia to check the very same thing. It was United. I was then also sad to discover that he recently took his own life, aged 50.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
My dad's mate universally replies that he's a massive City fan, then proceeds to spend the next 5 minutes or so in a monologue about the last Oxford City game he saw ... then asks them what their favourite Joey Beauchamp moment was.
Beauchamp played for Oxford United not City. Unless I've missed the point as usual.
I looked him up on Wikipedia to check the very same thing. It was United. I was then also sad to discover that he recently took his own life, aged 50.
I can't be arsed to look but didn't he do an Unsworth style maneouvre involving Swindon and Oxford?
EDIT ignore, i looked, it was west ham
I also saw this which i found particularly insensitive:
After his football career ended, Beauchamp became a professional gambler before finding work as a bookmaker. He battled with alcoholism and was convicted of drink-driving in 2009. He suffered from depression for which he sought help from the charity Sporting Chance. In 2010, Beauchamp said that his battle with drink and depression had made him consider suicide. In July 2022, following his death, a bar at Oxford Stadium was opened in honour of the footballer.
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Yeah, they don't seem to have thought that through.
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For all the money they take where the fuck was the PFA when they were needed? Maybe still enjoying the TS Lowry painting on their walls they paid £1.6 mil for - cnuts
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For all the money they take where the fuck was the PFA when they were needed? Maybe still enjoying the TS Lowry painting on their walls they paid £1.6 mil for - cnuts
Maybe the PFA put him into rehab; we don't know.
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Bit of a weird take. Who knows if they helped or if Beauchamp or any of his friends, family or former players reached out to them? I'm sure they would have helped had they been asked to do so. Trades unions* cannot be expected to know what is going on with every single current and former member. Given that Clarke Carlisle was head of the PFA not long ago, your implied suggestion that they don't care about mental health is, frankly, bollocks.
* I'm never sure what the correct plural of "trade union" is.
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Who’s TS Lowry?
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A poet, a painter, a difference-maker.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
My dad's mate universally replies that he's a massive City fan, then proceeds to spend the next 5 minutes or so in a monologue about the last Oxford City game he saw ... then asks them what their favourite Joey Beauchamp moment was.
Beauchamp played for Oxford United not City. Unless I've missed the point as usual.
I looked him up on Wikipedia to check the very same thing. It was United. I was then also sad to discover that he recently took his own life, aged 50.
I remember him not settling at West Ham and moving to Swindon I think . Didnt realise he had taken his own life very sad
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I looked him up on Wikipedia to check the very same thing. It was United. I was then also sad to discover that he recently took his own life, aged 50.
I remember him not settling at West Ham and moving to Swindon I think . Didnt realise he had taken his own life very sad
Yes, very sad, I posted it on the 'Deathwatch' thread at the time.
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Bit of a weird take. Who knows if they helped or if Beauchamp or any of his friends, family or former players reached out to them? I'm sure they would have helped had they been asked to do so. Trades unions* cannot be expected to know what is going on with every single current and former member. Given that Clarke Carlisle was head of the PFA not long ago, your implied suggestion that they don't care about mental health is, frankly, bollocks.
* I'm never sure what the correct plural of "trade union" is.
Some ex-players speak positively of the help they've received from the PFA, others have been more critical. It might be a case of not knowing who to ask and of course, you can only help people who want to be helped.
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Who’s TS Lowry?
I think it's a typo.
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Man Utd fans from Manchester are still twats. I detest this new trend of just calling them United. Whenever I hear that from one of them I always ask which United. Twats to a man.
My dad's mate universally replies that he's a massive City fan, then proceeds to spend the next 5 minutes or so in a monologue about the last Oxford City game he saw ... then asks them what their favourite Joey Beauchamp moment was.
Beauchamp played for Oxford United not City. Unless I've missed the point as usual.
Yes, you have.
I used to work with a bloke that played for Oxford City back in the day, and he gave me the shirt he swapped with Big Dick Edwards (not the poster of this parish, the real one) in a pre-season friendly.
It's a thing of beauty, pale blue with the claret collar, and the umbro label inside proudly states that they're suppliers to the European Champions Real Madrid.
Looking at the historical kits website it would be the 66-67 season kit
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Still annoyed about Stanley Villa and Pinehill Villa changing their names tbh.
One of a number of oddball discoveries on this tour of Queensland, I give you the mighty Doon Villa from somewhere near Maryborough.
https://doonvillafc.com.au/
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This doesn’t look ideal 😳
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1550734644399804422?s=21&t=WvCTPD23Ctbq-foITjirrw
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Great. He says in another tweet that game is likely to take place, but surely it's not worth taking the risk that somebody's going to get injured?
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Still annoyed about Stanley Villa and Pinehill Villa changing their names tbh.
One of a number of oddball discoveries on this tour of Queensland, I give you the mighty Doon Villa from somewhere near Maryborough.
https://doonvillafc.com.au/
Well that's definitely a team I hadn't heard of! Seem to play in black and white
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This doesn’t look ideal
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1550734644399804422?s=21&t=WvCTPD23Ctbq-foITjirrw
That s some Stadium. Capacity up to 65 000 acc Wiki. Wont be packed this time of season I guess but anyhow I will try to get a nice view somewhere riverside. Would be grat to beat them this time of year as we did two years ago (1-0?).
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Who’s TS Lowry?
He painted matchstick men and matchstick cats and dogs.
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Sky Sports News have a reporter at the stadium in Perth and they’ve just been over to her. Roughly 3 minutes talking about the condition of the pitch & 6 minutes about MUFC. I don’t recall Villa even being mentioned.
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Who’s TS Lowry?
He painted matchstick men and matchstick cats and dogs.
Or maybe that was LS Lowry.....
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Sky Sports News have a reporter at the stadium in Perth and they’ve just been over to her. Roughly 3 minutes talking about the condition of the pitch & 6 minutes about MUFC. I don’t recall Villa even being mentioned.
And you are surprised?
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This doesn’t look ideal
https://twitter.com/preeceobserver/status/1550734644399804422?s=21&t=WvCTPD23Ctbq-foITjirrw
That s some Stadium. Capacity up to 65 000 acc Wiki. Wont be packed this time of season I guess but anyhow I will try to get a nice view somewhere riverside. Would be grat to beat them this time of year as we did two years ago (1-0?).
I believe it has sold out or close to.
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Still persevering with Watkins Ings.
Not sure the answer to 2 non functioning strikers is to play both of them.
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Sky Sports News have a reporter at the stadium in Perth and they’ve just been over to her. Roughly 3 minutes talking about the condition of the pitch & 6 minutes about MUFC. I don’t recall Villa even being mentioned.
And you are surprised?
Yes. I would have expected a mention in passing at least.
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Not thrilled about 2 up front
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5 minute “review” on SSN. Not one mention of the Villa. Unbelievable.
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Not thrilled about 2 up front
No, me neither. Seems to be a stubborn plan that just doesn't work
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(https://i.ibb.co/DC04KYh/Screenshot-2022-07-23-at-10-06-46.png) (https://ibb.co/DC04KYh)
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Well they’ve played them separately through pre-season, so now is an opportunity to show what they can do. I assume they have a plan and have been working on their partnership in training.
Better to try again now in a friendly!
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(https://i.ibb.co/DC04KYh/Screenshot-2022-07-23-at-10-06-46.png) (https://ibb.co/DC04KYh)
An absolute myriad of twats there!
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I'm guessing we're going 4-3-1-2. Not a lot of pace there.
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Best way to watch this?
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when does the stream start on AVTV?
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when does the stream start on AVTV?
It's not just me then CL. I thought it wasn't working. It would be nice to have a bit of a build up.
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10.25am UK time.
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when does the stream start on AVTV?
Streams up CL, not a lot happening yet.
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when does the stream start on AVTV?
It's not just me then CL. I thought it wasn't working. It would be nice to have a bit of a build up.
Yes it would be nice if it said somewhere coverage starts here at? If it does I can not find it,
Cheers Risso.
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when does the stream start on AVTV?
Streams up CL, not a lot happening yet.
UTV
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Best way to watch this?
It’s on hesgoal
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when does the stream start on AVTV?
Streams up CL, not a lot happening yet.
UTV
Might have to splash out and get the AVTV stream as hesgoal is a pre match man utd wankfest
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Nice for my away shirt to be delivered just in time to watch the match in!
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10.25am UK time.
Fotmob says 10.45am?
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Claret shorts and socks, luckily.
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Ah it's MUTV, that's why.
Come on Villa!
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Ah it's MUTV, that's why.
Come on Villa!
Totally biased commentary.
It's been pissing down in Perth, pitch is a swamp and was used for a game yesterday. Expect it to cut up badly.
Hope we avoid injuries (to us).
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2 things…
MUTV is a pile of shite.
Secondly… who in the name of the living knuckle draggers decided that both teams playing in away shirts was a good idea?
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2 things…
MUTV is a pile of shite.
Secondly… who in the name of the living knuckle draggers decided that both teams playing in away shirts was a good idea?
Unbelievable. Surely that kit combo wouldn't be allowed in the PL.
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£6.99 and this stream has stuttering audio like a hesgoal special. I've got a high-speed fibre optic connection. ******!
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10.25am UK time.
Fotmob says 10.45am?
10.25 was when the stream started. 10.45 was kick off time.
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Watching via Hesgoal.... MUTV is sickness inducing.
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Coutinho is looking lively.
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Cash close.
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Cash has a pop.
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Good shot
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I reckon they'll get a couple of tons of spuds from this pitch by HT.
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I’m a bit worried by this pitch
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I mean there's pitches and there's pitches. But this.........
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I hate Bruno Fernandes.
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Fuck off wanker in black!
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Good to see Man U have refs in their control all over the world.
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I am just hoping we get out of here without injuries because this is a disaster waiting to happen
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Playing 2 up front leaves a man short in midfield.
United aren't holding back with their challenges.
Ref is from Iran, why they couldn't pay a for a decent English ref (there must be on somewhere) to fly out and officiate is beyond me.
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that challenge from shaw on Ings was nasty, got the ball but made sure he got Ings on the ankle as well.
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that challenge from shaw on Ings was nasty, got the ball but made sure he got Ings on the ankle as well.
I noticed that, too.
They're a dirty bunch are Man Utd.
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Standard biased commentary.
Luke Shaw has had a good summer by the looks of it, first time the kitman has had to find an XXXL shirt for a player :o
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ref is shite
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ref is shite
completely starstruck by them and giving them everything.
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We look the same as last season. We cannot keep the ball and all out attacks are long punts into the channels. Nothing consistently on the ground or through the middle with good off the ball movement.
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Looks like same problems as last season, over run in midfield and reverting to punts from back to front.
An extra player in midfield would help but Gerrard has sacrificed Buendia to get his 2 up front.
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Danny Ings 30 today. Thought he was older.
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I don't think the MUTV commentary is to bad, considering. The main guy seems to know a fair bit about us, stats from last season etc.
Do we still have that Woodward gimp on Villa TV? I can't be doing with him.
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Bruno Fernandes is such a cheating wanker
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unbelievable call against Carlos
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Possession stats must be awful
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This has all the vibes of treating Man U like the Harlem globetrotters and we are just here to make up the numbers. From the coverage, stuff around the ground and refereeing. Let’s beat these cnuts and shut them up!
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This ref is turning the game into a joke, any contact on one of their players is a free kick but they can do what they like, absolutely pathetic behaviour in a friendly.
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Just dreadful. 1-0 Sancho
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Bollocks !
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We've been shit so far
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Again the pitch is woeful so it’s difficult to be too judgmental about our passing. We’re okay, they’re better but not by much.
1-0 them
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Its been coming.
Gerrard has learnt nothing.
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Hate these cnuts
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Really piss poor defending. What the fuck was Digne doing?
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We are completely overrun in midfield. How the hell does the manager not see that two up front simply doesn’t work for us. And in today’s game very few top clubs play this way. Too open. Too exposed.
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Sorry but so far we haven’t been very good in any department
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Again the pitch is woeful so it’s difficult to be too judgmental about our passing. We’re okay, they’re better but not by much.
1-0 them
We haven't got near them
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Two up front is such a shit idea, especially when your two are Watkins and Ings. We've no pace and just aren't hurting them.
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Rubbish.
We've been rubbish. Rubbish formation, rubbish passing, no tactics of note.
Come on Villa.
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I’ve only watched the last 10 mins or so. Have we touched the ball yet ?
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Two up front is such a shit idea, especially when your two are Watkins and Ings. We've no pace and just aren't hurting them.
We are in Smith territory of stubbornness.
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We're very one-dimensional with no pace at all
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I’ve only watched the last 10 mins or so. Have we touched the ball yet ?
Yes. When we picked it out of our own net and kicked off.
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Two up front is such a shit idea, especially when your two are Watkins and Ings. We've no pace and just aren't hurting them.
It’s amazing how he can shoehorn Watkins and Ings in
but Coutinho and Buendía is a big no no
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This is really so very, very poor
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Ref looks like he's wearing the new Spurs away shirt
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I am fast losing faith with Gerrard.
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Two up front is such a shit idea, especially when your two are Watkins and Ings. We've no pace and just aren't hurting them.
It’s amazing how he can shoehorn Watkins and Ings in
but Coutinho and Buendía is a big no no
baffling and we know what happens when managers stick to their guns in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.
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Like most, I'm not a fan of 2 up front.
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Watching a MUTV steam. The commentary is excruciating.
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I am fast losing faith with Gerrard.
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That is fast.
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We simply don’t get enough shots on goal. We barely did against Brisbane and haven’t done anything today.
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I can only think the instruction was don't get near the opposing player
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It’s a pre-season friendly and we are using it to try things. However, we are still way short in midfield and the inability to keep the ball is still obvious. Let’s hope we get another central midfielder in who can win the ball and use it.
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Pitch is a throw back to the 70’s in the winter!!
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I am fast losing faith with Gerrard.
I was genuinely so excited to load up this thread on the 23rd July and track down the first of these comments. Outstanding stuff!
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Like most, I'm not a fan of 2 up front.
I’m not against it but it depends on which 2
Watkins and Ings doesn’t work There’s zero chemistry
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Our entire tactics circles around our full backs getting forward and getting in crosses. It makes it so easy for them to counter. The midfield is having zero impact.
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I don't think Ings is the answer for us at all.
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At least this will be good for our numbers. Most of the team are chasing shadows and so are getting some miles in.
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Clown defending nearly makes it 2-0
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Calm down everyone... it's a pre-season Man Utd circus on a ploughed field. The result is irrelevant - Bournemouth away is the important one.
One thing I would say is that Digne looks like he's breathing out of his arsehole already!
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Same old CRAP
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Ings is a complete passenger. Him and Watkins have had little to work on but he just doesn’t appear to get involved much by working the channels etc.
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Ollie Watkins with a foot like a 50p piece
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The passing from Mings is atrocious,
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Watkins control again
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Watkins control again
Like a pin ball
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The only midfielder who’s done anything of note is McGinn and he’s been anonymous for the last 20 minutes.
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McGinn plays no matter what day it is. He plays two up front and neither of them score near enough. He plays narrow with wing backs who are inconsistent. What’s changed?
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Like the look of Carlos.
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HOOOOOOOF
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We shouldn’t be playing a pre season friendly in these conditions. It’s belting it down
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Have we had a shot on target yet?
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Oh great. It’s 2-0. Cash OG
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Fuck off!
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It’s asking for a long term injury!🙁
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Abandon this shit.
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Pitch and weather crap. But same old failings rearing their heads again.
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This has been as piss poor as some of the worst stuff we saw last season.
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Long ball over the top, great defending guys, well done.
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Seems like not watching this was a wise choice.
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I am fast losing faith with Gerrard.
I was genuinely so excited to load up this thread on the 23rd July and track down the first of these comments. Outstanding stuff!
So are you happy with how stubborn he is with playing two up front when from last year’s showing it clearly doesn’t work?
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The fact that this match is going ahead for a friendly is fucking ridiculous. There will be hell to pay if any of the players (from either team) get injured.
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Abandon this shit.
Judging by the amount of rain coming down, it wouldn't surprise me.
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Had to be that bellend, Rashford.
Can't stand them, but we've been fucking shit.
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We could be 4-0 down. The best chance we’ve got is iff it’s called off.
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Hmm. It’s only a friendly and the weather and pitch are shocking…. But we look shite in all areas on the pitch. Nobody is having a good game individually and there is absolutely no cohesion.
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Digne very poor for their second
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I know its a pre season friendly but all the problems Gerrard's team had last season are still there.
We are just giving Manure a nice passive ore season run out.
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Calm down everyone. It’s a friendly. The fact we have been shit with no plan, cohesion, or quality doesn’t matter
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The pitch and the weather is the same for both teams. They've dealt with it, we haven't. Our formation and standard of play has been as shit as the weather.
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Ramsey is doing okay for me.
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Our entire tactics circles around our full backs getting forward and getting in crosses. It makes it so easy for them to counter. The midfield is having zero impact.
And this is the prime concern, a hang-over from last season: being wedded to one style of play is not only anachronistic given the type of 'total football' that is expected of players today; it is also dead easy for opponents to deal with. Reliance on fullbacks attacking also means our strikers are wholly dependent on the fullbacks being able to get up the pitch.
The number of strikers on the team is irrelevant if the key attacking players are not able to deliver.
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Absolutely crap first half. Yanited are streets ahead. Depressing.
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BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO HT 2-0
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Ridiculous mistakes at the back and can't score ...same problems as last season .
Nothing has changed or will. This team isn't good enough and the manager don't seem to change it it
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The fact that this match is going ahead for a friendly is fucking ridiculous. There will be hell to pay if any of the players (from either team) get injured.
You are more likely to get injured on a bone hard pitch that a waterlogged one.
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Digne very poor for their second
Made one run forward and put a shite ball in - Looked absolutely fucked. Wasn't marking Sancho for their first and at fault in build up to the second. Needs to wake up.
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Not sure what the game plan was for that half, or even if there was one? It was shit.
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We're just so fucking slow. Every time we have the ball, they've got all the time they need to get people back and just shut us down completely.
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Pre-season notwithstanding, that was pretty depressing.
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This thread does not make for encouraging reading!
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Hopefully Ings falls in to the deepest puddle on the pitch as it might be the only way Gerrard fucks off the two up front and over run in midfield rubbish that is now the norm.
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We're just so fucking slow. Every time we have the ball, they've got all the time they need to get people back and just shut us down completely.
Our movement is non existent. And inevitably it always ends with a long punt across the pitch or down the flanks which is easily dealt with. We are slow, ponderous and predictable.
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I forgot how it felt to be bored again on a Saturday.
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I may be being controversial here, but I’m not sure Ings and Watkins works as a front pair.
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The defence is shit
the midfield is shit
the strikers are shit
other than that we've been brilliant
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just the usual man utd tummy tickle for villa
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We're just so fucking slow. Every time we have the ball, they've got all the time they need to get people back and just shut us down completely.
Rinse and repeat from umpteen times last season
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the gulf between the teams looks huge.
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I may be being controversial here, but I’m not sure Ings and Watkins works as a front pair.
lolz.
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I thought we'd be better after Gerrard had a pre-season with his squad
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There will be hell to pay if any of the players (from either team) get injured.
Really? When has that ever happened. It’s not a friendly in the normal sense. It may not be competitive but both clubs are chasing money .
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I just don’t understand how Buendia doesn’t get into this side for one of the forwards.
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Sort it out. Absolutely shocking. What does John McGinn offer us? This guy has been coasting along for a few years now. I know it's a friendly and shocking conditions, the players are watching themselves for injury and holding back a bit, but they need to show something in the second half.
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The great thing about pre-season friendly's, is you get to try new things and don't have to rely on the stuff that didn't work great before.
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The defence is shit
the midfield is shit
the strikers are shit
other than that we've been brilliant
And the manager is shit.
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I just don’t understand how Buendia doesn’t get into this side for one of the forwards.
You mean not play Watkin and Ings together? Steady on.
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They have total control, it's like a replay of last season, can't keep the ball, two forwards who have no chemistry and a non existant midfield. Ramsey is wasted playing in that position and apart from his first couple of games Coutino has been a disappointment.
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That was really bad. Looked identical to the majority of last season… Watkins can’t trap a sand bag. Passing straight to the opposition. Comedic defending. No threat going forwards. It should be 4-0.
Why isn’t our best player, Buendia, playing? He always wants the ball, usually does something with it and is always up for it.
Gerrard has learned absolutely nothing from last season and that will ultimately be his downfall
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I think we are ok. New guys good, I tend to blame whats happening in our RB area - positionally and technically, for neg results, as i did last season :-\
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There will be hell to pay if any of the players (from either team) get injured.
Really? When has that ever happened. It’s not a friendly in the normal sense. It may not be competitive but both clubs are chasing money .
well today one club is chasing it, the other is staggering along like a one-legged zombie from the walking dead.
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And Gerrard is targeting top 8? Must have been on the Fosters
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Lower half PL side us that is.
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???
just the usual man utd tummy tickle for villa
This. It's so fucking depressing to watch them going through the motions for a piss easy win for the ten thousandth time in my life.
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I just don’t understand how Buendia doesn’t get into this side for one of the forwards.
I thi that alone is reason enough to get rid of our Steven.
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I just don’t understand how Buendia doesn’t get into this side for one of the forwards.
I thi that alone is reason enough to get rid of our Steven.
Seriously?
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He said the other day or at least indicated he was going to ramp up the minutes for key players. Therefore I’m seriously worried that Buendia is not going to feature from the start in league games. How can he not see these errors?
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We don't keep the ball well enough & nothing will change until we do. Whether that's the players, formation, tactics or a combination.
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I blame Critchley.
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It’s only a preseason friendly
The only thing that matters is match fitness
It’s raining very hard
The pitch conditions are dreadful
It’s been a useful workout
Just setting the theme and default position for after the game
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If I was Buendia I would be talking to my agent.
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That was rubbish. Every time we get the ball we either just give it back to Manure with a bad pass or hoof it down the field.
We don't seem to have any game plan, or if we do we are incapable of following it.
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We are the footballing equivalent of the band in the 80s Kit Kat advert.
We can’t play we can’t pass we look awful. We won’t go a long way.
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Seen the 2nd goal on Twitter looking to see what the weather is doing and it is definitely doing a fair bit!
From that minute or so clip, it's very friendly pace with no effort to press the back four or Fred, Mings caught under the ball and a bit of a freak ricochet.
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They have total control, it's like a replay of last season, can't keep the ball, two forwards who have no chemistry and a non existant midfield. Ramsey is wasted playing in that position and apart from his first couple of games Coutino has been a disappointment.
I can't recall Coutinho even touching the ball in the first half.
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Thank god it's half time.
No more of this shit for me, ruining my Saturday evening. Hoofing from Mings, treacle running from Ings, Digne looks like he retired. Time for some alcohol!
Hope we come back in the second half and win 3-2!
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I don't mind us losing this game, what I have a real problem with is the way the team has been set up which makes defeat look inevitable.
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What the fuck was Mings doing for the second? Another one who isn't good enough for a team looking to be top 7.
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Konsa, Buendia, Bailey, Doug, Olsen on. Can’t see yet if we made other changes
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There’s still half the side that are not good enough for top half.
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Looks like he's gone against the 60 minute run out and made wholesale changes - Buendia, Luis, Konsa, the keeper, Bailey
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Lots of changes at HT, now show us something different.
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Ings and Mings off. Good.
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I’m interested to see how Carlos and Konsa play together
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It’s a friendly bit you cannot concede like we have.
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Matty Cash has been terrible. He has constantly given the ball away
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Oooh Watkins close after superb work by Bailey winning the ball back. Probably should have done better
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pathetic Watkins
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Oooh Watkins close after superb work by Bailey winning the ball back. Probably should have done better
Should have passed it, two players free either side.
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Both fullbacks have been awful
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YESSSSSSSSSS Bailey
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Brilliant Bailey!
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Is anyone else out there not convinced that Ollie isn't a top 8 team striker???
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Fucking superb goal
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Magic Bailey.
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That's more like it. Bailey looks hungry 2-1
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Great goal
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Bailey -
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Oooh Watkins close after superb work by Bailey winning the ball back. Probably should have done better
Should have passed it, two players free either side.
Should have. But if he is going to take it himself, don't be so fucking slow.
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Ya beauty
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This is the Leon Bailey we thought we were getting. He has had a very good pre season.
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Oooh Watkins close after superb work by Bailey winning the ball back. Probably should have done better
Should have passed it, two players free either side.
I'd have been happy if he'd just managed to get it on target.
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Lovely finish.
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Very classy
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I want to see Bailey make that right wing position his own. Put Coutinho on the left with Buendia in behind.
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Top finish from Bailey.
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Oooh Watkins close after superb work by Bailey winning the ball back. Probably should have done better
Should have passed it, two players free either side.
I'd have been happy if he'd just managed to get it on target.
You’re getting a little carried away now.
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Bloody hell Olsen
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Ooooooooooh Bailey close with a cracking shot. Good save De Gea
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Bailey is up for it
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Who’s this new player we have? Bailey I think his name is?
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Change to the more familiar Gerrard system with a bit of extra pace on the break has worked wonders.
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MUCH better this half - Team looks a lot more threatening and better balanced. I like Mings but I think his place is under threat in that backline - Diego Carlos looks way better on his natural side.
Impressed with Bailey so far too - Hopefully, he can become the player we thought we were signing last season.
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I do not want to see two up front again. This looks so much better
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In fairness, I think most reasonable takes on Bailey were that last season was just lost for him cause of the injuries. Very excited to see him get a proper run this year, and I really hope he can stay clear of bad luck.
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Luiz looking good too
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Bloody hell nearly another OG by Konsa
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We give them a 2 goal start & now we are chasing the game.
Mings had to go,give Carlos the responsibility
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What has happened to Watkins? Looks half the player he used to be
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For all his faults, I think Watkins works the line far, far better as a lone striker with two either side of him too. Stretches the defence and runs in behind much more.
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Leon Bailey has completely changed the game
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just been announced Badges has passed away (Tony Penn from Bradford)
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Digne's right foot... lol
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Corners have really improved
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Corners have really improved
Did you see our last one?
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Based on this evidence, I much prefer Konsa & Carlos. Really high quality and physical if they're given time to develop a partnership.
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Think we need a CF with pace and a physical midfielder
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Aaaarrgh what a super move. Bailey should have scored
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Bailey playing out of his skin. They're terrified of him.
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Brilliant work again but you gotta pass that Leon!!!
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Sanson, Cam, HKK, Ash, Chambers, big Tim all coming on
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Who the fuck is this Bailey chap??
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Bailey unlucky, great work from Emi
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Little Emi and Bailey looking good, this is better.
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Fuuuuuucck great corner Bailey. How have we not scored?
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we could be winning now
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Think we need a CF with pace and a physical midfielder
Ah looks like we had them on the bench
No way we can have ings and Watkins partnership when it means it keeps out emi and Bailey
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Interesting... Buendia has basically played as a false nine since he came on. Has looked really good there. Archer and Watkins both pulling out into the left channel going forward and defending.
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Our line up vs Bournemouth needs to include Buendia and Bailey. And I’d even consider Konsa for Mings.
Martinez
Cash
Digne
Konsa
Carlos
Kamara
Buendia
McGinn
Coutinho
Bailey
Watkins
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Think we need a CF with pace and a physical midfielder
Ah looks like we had them on the bench
No way we can have ings and Watkins partnership when it means it keeps out emi and Bailey
Hopefully that’s been put to bed now.
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Great work by Sanson. Needs to get that cross in on the ground
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Great move
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Lovely first touch and control by Cam
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Our line up vs Bournemouth needs to include Buendia and Bailey. And I’d even consider Konsa for Mings.
Martinez
Cash
Digne
Konsa
Carlos
Kamara
Buendia
McGinn
Coutinho
Bailey
Watkins
That team except Watkins.
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Think we need a CF with pace and a physical midfielder
Ah looks like we had them on the bench
No way we can have ings and Watkins partnership when it means it keeps out emi and Bailey
Hopefully that’s been put to bed now.
You'd hope so - its not even like it's Gerrard's preferred way to play - he stumbled upon it as a bit of a fix last year and stuck with it. We look so much more fluid with one up top and have way too much talent in the attacking midfield positions to not use it fully.
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We’re playing so well this half. And really getting into them as well. These pricks don’t like it when we get in their faces
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Another nice move. KKH with a great bit of play
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Impressed with KKH too. We've got a really decent stream of kids coming through.
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Keep Bailey fit and he’ll be a serious asset.
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Replace Cash with KKH leave Mings out. Play one striker and we might be onto something.
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Dirty Utd fucker
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Shit. Bailey slips right at the last moment after more excellent work Kessler
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I’m feeling a lot better about things now
1st half was very worrying even for a friendly
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in the league that's a red card for the sideshow bob prick, studs up over the ball.
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Chalk and cheese from first half. Sanson looks like he's had a good summer too - Looks a machine!
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K-H doing very well
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Chalk and cheese from first half. Sanson looks like he's had a good summer too - Looks a machine!
Agreed. Porche-like motor
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We have a new RB :)
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Miles better, Bailey should smash that. We should be level.
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The ex Nose fouling Luiz and gets a yellow. Tramp
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Bailey, KKH, Luiz and Buendia have all improved us massively, given us threat and control.
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See Chong is on.Where's Cheech?
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Manager not happy with Olsen wasting possession. Very animated in the second half.
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Our line up vs Bournemouth needs to include Buendia and Bailey. And I’d even consider Konsa for Mings.
Martinez
Cash
Digne
Konsa
Carlos
Kamara
Buendia
McGinn
Coutinho
Bailey
Watkins
That team except Watkins.
Starting games with 10 men is a brave move!
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Bailey, KKH, Luiz and Buendia have all improved us massively, given us threat and control.
Sanson not done himself any harm either. Much better performance than either McGinn or Ramsey today imo.
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
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Olsen’s distribution is abysmal
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Leon needs to not fuck about when he's coming back
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We r much the better team 2. half
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The main MUTV commentator is a lot better and less biased than most of the chumps on Sky.
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Excuse me?
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Our line up vs Bournemouth needs to include Buendia and Bailey. And I’d even consider Konsa for Mings.
Martinez
Cash
Digne
Konsa
Carlos
Kamara
Buendia
McGinn
Coutinho
Bailey
Watkins
Ramsey for McGinn; or even Sanson for McGinn.
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Chambers looking assured
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Replace Cash with KKH leave Mings out. Play one striker and we might be onto something.
Aye.
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Chambers is so much better on the ball than Konsa and Mings.
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Excuse me?
WTF
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Did they replace parts of the pitch during HT? Sqaure decent patches
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Pardon? What’s all this about?
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Shame they're finishing stronger
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Excuse me?
WTF
Who on earth is that?
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Not the Ash of old with that cross. Poor
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Excuse me?
WTF
There's some right bitter fuckers out there that randomly come back out of nowhere to make absolute twats of themselves
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The problem I see is when we’re bad we concede more goals then we score when we are good
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Pardon? What’s all this about?
Not very friendly is it..
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Replace Cash with KKH leave Mings out. Play one striker and we might be onto something.
Aye.
Bit harsh, Cash was one of our best players last season. KKH certainly useful to have as a back up though.
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Excuse me?
WTF
Who on earth is that?
I literally have no idea. Not just the insult. But Milan Baros? Really?
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Who's this prick?
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Pardon? What’s all this about?
Not very friendly is it..
No. Quite disgusting.
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Buendia works so, so hard all the time
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
Who's this prick?
Why can’t some villa fans watch any game without getting on the beak?
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS 2-2
Fully deserved
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Goal
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Calum Chambers
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2-2
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2-2
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FT 2-2
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Buendia works so, so hard all the time
This. Needs to be in the first 11 every week for me.
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Take that you fuckers!
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Deserved that
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Love a Desmond scoreline! :D
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We have been absolutely brilliant this second half.
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GGOOOOAAAALLLLLLLL. Chambers.You beauty.
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YES !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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FERGIE TIME!!!!
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Calm down, it's only a friendly. Great 2nd half though.
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Leon Bailey MOM by a country mile
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It's happened again, it's happed again.
Man United.
It's happened again.
🙂
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At last someone who can take a decent corner.
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Please, please learn from that 2nd half Stevie
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Shame they're finishing stronger
I'll shut up next time
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That's hilarious :)
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At last someone who can take a decent corner.
Agreed. They were really excellent
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Deserved, fuck off united.
Great 2nd half, if we start the season with 2 up front I'm likely to do something extremely rash.
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Goodnight everyone. :) Have a great day.
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Please, please learn from that 2nd half Steven
Totally.
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Apart from the utter twat who posted the Milan Baros comment, enjoyed the thread.
We cannot play two up front - Gerrard has to see it leaves us too open and less of a goal threat. Bailey MOTM. Will be interesting to see the starting 11 against Rennes as you’d think that’s going to be the opening day 11
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Good response in the second half and good to see Bailey finding his feet. His pace and directness is something we don’t have elsewhere.
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If MUTV agree we deserve that result!!
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
You've an hour to explain this otherwise you're banned
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Archer did a wonderful job on d Gea on the late goal as he did in a corner i saw before in the game
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Shame they're finishing stronger
I'll shut up next time
No don't! Say this every game in every match thread! Haha
Friendly of not really happy with the result and we played very well in patches
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I don’t want to see Ings and Watkins huffing and puffing together up front ever again. We need to get Coutinho outside one central striker with Bailey the other side. Buendia simply has to start in an advanced midfield role.
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Replace Cash with KKH leave Mings out. Play one striker and we might be onto something.
Aye.
Bit harsh, Cash was one of our best players last season. KKH certainly useful to have as a back up though.
Cash wasnt one of our best players last season IMO
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Hope Gerrard has learnt something. Buendia needs to play, has a bit of aggression and bite and can pick a killer pass, despite giving it away a bit cheaply sometimes. Although I expect to see him on the bench behind Coutinho regardless.
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Shame they're finishing stronger
I'll shut up next time
No don't! Say this every game in every match thread! Haha
Friendly of not really happy with the result and we played very well in patches
As did the pitch
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Replace Cash with KKH leave Mings out. Play one striker and we might be onto something.
Aye.
Bit harsh, Cash was one of our best players last season. KKH certainly useful to have as a back up though.
Cash wasnt one of our best players last season IMO
He won our player of the season award.
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Archer did a wonderful job on d Gea on the late goal as he did in a corner i saw before in the game
I noticed that as well.
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We can’t play 2 upfront so I think that’s been put to bed. Bailey very promising, I really hope this is the start of something big for him. Sky won’t be happy!
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We were really good in the second half - do you think we could have a front 3 of Bailey Phil and Emi
Thought Sanson look good - and seemed bulked out a bit?
It strange - still don’t know what our best line up is
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Buendia, Bailey and Chambers should start.
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I really like Callum Chambers. Smart footballer and I wouldn't mind seeing him and Diego start the season together, depending on the left/right balance. I still think we need a midfield enforcer and a striker who is more of a focal point. Good result as it shuts the Sky wankfest up.
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I don’t want to see Ings and Watkins huffing and puffing together up front ever again. We need to get Coutinho outside one central striker with Bailey the other side. Buendia simply has to start in an advanced midfield role.
100% agree
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On seeing that we have a better squad than ManU. Picking the First 11 is going to be tricky. Keeping the squad happy is too.
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In justification of the two up front, everybody wants Archer involved and we need Ings and Watkins up to fitness, too. The only way to do that is to play two up front at times.
So, I'm hoping, two up front is just a way of keeping our strikers involved and getting them up to fitness in pre-season.
We better not be daft enough to persevere with it in proper games.
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We were really good in the second half - do you think we could have a front 3 of Bailey Phil and Emi
Thought Sanson look good - and seemed bulked out a bit?
It strange - still don’t know what our best line up is
If we can bring in another defensive midfielder, I agree totally with this. We can still push the full backs forward then too.
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If we ignore the shitshow of the first half (which was due to formation imo) the only real negative for me is the strikers. Watkins, Ings and Archer, really struggled in that game.
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That's made my day. I know it's only a friendly but it's so good to see them wankers lose the win with the final touch of the game.
Bailey easily motm. All of the suibs were excellent. We must start with one striker plus Bailey, Buendia and Coutinho.
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We seem to be a team of two halves still. From what I saw of the first half, it wasn't great at all. Very good second half though and probably should have won.
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In justification of the two up front, everybody wants Archer involved and we need Ings and Watkins up to fitness, too. The only way to do that is to play two up front at times.
So, I'm hoping, two up front is just way of keeping our strikers involved and getting them up to fitness in pre-season.
We better not be daft enough to persevere with it in proper games.
That's about how I see it as well, i hope we're right.
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Need clean sheets lads…
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Based on what I've seen, this would be my 11 (but it won't be)...
Martinez
KKH Chambers Douglas Costa Digne (*but thought he was terrible today)
Kamara
Sanson Buendia
Bailey Watkins Coutinho
*I think Buendia could hold his own in midfield. The guy is far from a pushover and offers MUCH better distribution than McGinn or Ramsey
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Need clean sheets lads…
We did in the last three games. Good to see you have calmed down.
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Need clean sheets lads…
You need to explain your Milan Baros comment. There are also ladies on this thread too.
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Really impressed with the depth of the squad - lots of positives - just how we can get that consistency
Bailey looks a totally different prospect then last season and gives us some much needed pace
Still think we’re a CF light and maybe a midfielder
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Spare a thought for those of us watching on the MUTV stream, that was a difficult but made the last touch goal all the better.
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Spare a thought for those of us watching on the MUTV stream, that was a difficult but made the last touch goal all the better.
I said as much to my pal, was enjoyable hearing them have to grudgingly admit we were the better team second half
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Spare a thought for those of us watching on the MUTV stream, that was a difficult but made the last touch goal all the better.
I thought that was better then most of the sky coverage
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Does anyone have links to the goals please?
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Never had any doubt that our Steven will sort it i the second half.
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Spare a thought for those of us watching on the MUTV stream, that was a difficult but made the last touch goal all the better.
I thought that was better then most of the sky coverage
Same.
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As far as I'm concerned there's a difference between strength in depth and strength in THE depth - if you see what I mean. THE depth was there for all to see in the 2nd half - nowhere in the 1st. Kessler, Bailey, Chambers, Buendia, Sanson, Luiz, all outperformed the '1st' team (have I missed anyone out?). it's a good problem to have I guess as long as a certain person makes the right choices.
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Excellent second half.
Bailey was sublime, so was Buendia. I would like also to see chambers paired with Carlos for the first game of the season. Sanson and KKH also did very well.
Let’s hope this will be the last we will see of playing both Watkins and Ings together.
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It seems like a few of our players are undroppable, or they certainly were last season. Coutinho went through 9 or 10 games with minimal contribution but still started every game, while Buendia sat on the bench despite looking much more dangerous when he came on. Maybe that was just to convince him to sign?
McGinn I like but he went through a dodgy spell too.
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Spare a thought for those of us watching on the MUTV stream, that was a difficult but made the last touch goal all the better.
I thought that was better then most of the sky coverage
Same.
I’ll give them praise for not mentioning the “ghost goal” bit that’s only because they forgot to.
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I missed out Tim, who I also thought imposed himself.
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Didn't watch the match. 1st half poor, 2nd half better by most accounts. It will be interesting to see how many of the team that finished the 2nd half start vs Bournemouth in a few weeks time.
Pre-season friendlies are supposed to be about trying new things (and of course building up fitness), so why play Watkins and Ings together with them having been involved in the entire pl season just gone? What is it that our management still needs to learn about this pairing?
Sg still hasn't managed a win against a team most would assume would finish in the top 8 ( ;)).
Still August is a fresh start not just for our players, but our management too.
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This is the first of the pre-season games I've managed to watch, really impressed by Sanson, hope he finally gets a decent chance in the first team.
Has Kesler-Hayden played that well in other games this month? He seemed very assured, great to see another youth prospect coming through.
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F*** 'em! Well done, Villa.
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Never had any doubt that our Steven will sort it i the second half.
In our Stevie G we trust! 8)
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Funny when they were talking about our abysmal collapse against City, and they couldn't work out if was the lesser of two evils.
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Delighted for Leon, if he finds the form, we know he's capable of then, it'll be like a new signing for us.
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The squad is definitely better. No one’s guaranteed a place which can only be a good thing.
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Never had any doubt that our Steven will sort it i the second half.
In our Stevie G we trust! 8)
This is very tedious, just so you know. Overcoming the word filter hardly requires Alan Turing.
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On seeing that we have a better squad than ManU. Picking the First 11 is going to be tricky. Keeping the squad happy is too.
There were some very promising performances from the players who came on - Bailey in particular, Buendia, Sanson, Kesler Hayden, also Luiz. I can't see how both Watkins and Ings can make the starting XI. Ramsey didn't do much apart from one good run and Kamara didn't impress. I was pleased to see Konsa back - we seem to have 4 strong contenders for central defence. As you say Bren'd, picking the team for Bournemouth won't be easy.
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The squad is definitely better. No one’s guaranteed a place which can only be a good thing.
Hopefully, although last season it seemed like some were.
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Never had any doubt that our Steven will sort it i the second half.
In our Stevie G we trust! 8)
This is very tedious, just so you know. Overcoming the word filter hardly requires Alan Turing.
It’s tedious that people have to bother. It’s hardly swearing.
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First half Ings, Watkins & Couthino were too narrow & offered no pace. We were unable to close Utd down quick enough & kept losing the ball.
Once Bailey & Buendia came on we kept & moved the ball better. Offered a threat going forward & Kessler who looked really useful.
We have options across the whole squad, with the exception of up front. Ings just doesn't have it for me.
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I’d drop Mings for Bournemouth and start with Carlos and either Konsa or Chambers. Give him a huge kick up the arse. His concentration is shite and so is his passing.
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We might just benefit from the five subs rule after all.
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Never had any doubt that our Steven will sort it i the second half.
In our Stevie G we trust! 8)
This is very tedious, just so you know. Overcoming the word filter hardly requires Alan Turing.
It’s tedious that people have to bother. It’s hardly swearing.
Exactly.
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The phrase is only used to try to annoy people. Not sure what's the point of that. You're the only poster that does it. Exactly the same as when Coopers Injury started saying "The Theatre of Dreams" every three posts.
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In our Stevie G we trust! 8)
This is very tedious, just so you know. Overcoming the word filter hardly requires Alan Turing.
Oh well. Anyway, shouldn't you be busy scanning the forum in case someone criticised Tyrone today?
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Didn't watch the game so wouldn't be aware whether their playing criticisms were valid. Obviously the non-playing criticisms never are.
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Another apologist for Villa defending,Toronto,remember Milan Baros as the second coming?
Utter ****** you are son..
You've an hour to explain this otherwise you're banned
Bye then.
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Very strange. 700 posts and never noticed him before. Then out of nowhere, that nonsense.
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Very strange. 700 posts and never noticed him before. Then out of nowhere, that nonsense.
First thing I did was check the age and post count. I know I don't post much but I lurk on here all the time and I cant remember a single post by him. A Milan Baros in 2022, who'd of thought it
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First thing I did was check the age and post count. I know I don't post much but I lurk on here all the time and I cant remember a single post by him. A Milan Baros in 2022, who'd of thought it
Think there was one a short while back that seemed a bit strange, that stood out and the rather odd username.
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If people weren't convinced of the Sky bias for MUFC, get this just now; "Manchester Utd finish their pre-season tour of Thailand and Australia - (after the break) find out how they got on against Aston Villa," Sky needs a regulator.
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I was actually getting score updates from the Sky App, presumably as it was against Man Yoo. I didn't get any for the Leeds game.
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In justification of the two up front, everybody wants Archer involved and we need Ings and Watkins up to fitness, too. The only way to do that is to play two up front at times.
So, I'm hoping, two up front is just a way of keeping our strikers involved and getting them up to fitness in pre-season.
We better not be daft enough to persevere with it in proper games.
I was going to post something whinging about playing Ings and Ollie together again, but this makes sense. So fair enough.
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The problem isn’t playing 2 up front
It’s the 2 upfront we are playing
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Let’s see if Buendia starts the first game.
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In justification of the two up front, everybody wants Archer involved and we need Ings and Watkins up to fitness, too. The only way to do that is to play two up front at times.
So, I'm hoping, two up front is just a way of keeping our strikers involved and getting them up to fitness in pre-season.
We better not be daft enough to persevere with it in proper games.
I was going to post something whinging about playing Ings and Ollie together again, but this makes sense. So fair enough.
I will join you in whinging like fuck when I'm proven wrong and we start two up front at Bournemouth! 😁
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Let’s see if Buendia starts the first game.
Can we get away with Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey together? I'd be excited to try it.
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
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The depressing thing is that in all likelihood Gerrard's first XI for the opening league game will be predominantly the first half team from today. I just don't think he's flexible enough when it matters and the way he wants to play is the high full-backs exposing the midfield with Coutinho and McGinn to start regardless of form.
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The depressing thing is that in all likelihood Gerrard's first XI for the opening league game will be predominantly the first half team from today. I just don't think he's flexible enough when it matters and the way he wants to play is the high full-backs exposing the midfield with Coutinho and McGinn to start regardless of form.
That is how I see it as well. More of the same from last season. Hope I'm wrong.
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Some encouraging performances in that second half, squad is shaping up pretty well. Will be interesting to see if we can add anyone else in the next month - we don’t need any filler now, but if we could land some top quality in midfield and possibly attack, we’d look like a very decent squad.
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Once Bailey & Buendia came on we kept & moved the ball better. Offered a threat going forward & Kessler who looked really useful.
Agree Bailey and Emi 2 definitely moved the ball better, even in the deteriorating mud. Interviewed on Aussie TV at game's end, Steven admitted that if the Premier League started tomorrow he would have to keep Bailey in his starting XI.
Kaine H-H was a willing accomplice for Bailey to run riot down the right flank, think he may have ruined Freddie G's backup RB hopes on that performance. Luiz also made us more solid, the only decent effort I've seen from him on tour.
Really hard to know what to make of that first half. The pitch, weather, and our shape were a mess. Their second goal looked like an unlucky OG in the middle of a freak hailstorm that distracted half the players.
Interesting that Bailey and Sancho each arrived from the Bundesliga a year ago, struggled initially for different reasons, but looked the two most dangerous players out there tonight. This might be the season they both start to justify the hype (very pleased for Leon, less so the other one).
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The depressing thing is that in all likelihood Gerrard's first XI for the opening league game will be predominantly the first half team from today. I just don't think he's flexible enough when it matters and the way he wants to play is the high full-backs exposing the midfield with Coutinho and McGinn to start regardless of form.
That is how I see it as well. More of the same from last season. Hope I'm wrong.
he did say afterwards the second half was more his style he wanted to play so hopefully the team selection will follow that
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Let’s see if Buendia starts the first game.
Can we get away with Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey together? I'd be excited to try it.
This is what I want to see as a front 3.
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I dunno I reckon maybe bring back 4-2-3-1, have Coutinho and Bailey wide, get Buendia fulfilling the role that Barkley did in the half dozen or so really good games he had for us, and you can still have a centre-forward. I can see that bringing out the best of Watkins.
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
I agree football is a game of two halves. Being too lazy to click I am presuming that’s what he said.
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Very strange. 700 posts and never noticed him before. Then out of nowhere, that nonsense.
Some play the long game when coming on here to win “I was banned” badge. I noticed earlier that his first post was in 2006 and a golden muppet in 2013.
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
I agree football is a game of two halves. Being too lazy to click I am presuming that’s what he said.
Just said pre-season has gone well, was pleased with the 2nd half response, that Bailey made more than an impact in changing the game and that JLR make some of the finest vehicles in the world. Other than that not much.
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
I agree football is a game of two halves. Being too lazy to click I am presuming that’s what he said.
Just said pre-season has gone well, was pleased with the 2nd half response, that Bailey made more than an impact in changing the game and that JLR make some of the finest vehicles in the world. Other than that not much.
The Bailey comments were very positive. Not just about this game but overall. I think he has forced his way in now for Ings. And I don't know that Mings is assured of a spot now either,
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And I don't know that Mings is assured of a spot now either,
Quite telling that he went off at half time I thought, when Gerrard said that he wanted to give more players 60 minutes. Mings really needs to step up, he was crap today.
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I really don’t like the, “X will be like a new signing..” saying but Leon Bailey this is your year son. Please take advantage of the opportunity and become a hero.
With that said, Ings and Watkins cannot be on the pitch at the same time. You know it, I know it.
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That 4-3-1-2 he started with today just doesn't work, especially with Coutinho behind Watkins and Ings. It means the midfield 3 are sat too deep, and in front of them we have no pace or work rate to hurt teams.
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Out of curiosity, did United make wholesale changes in the second half? We’re our players playing against their second/third teams?
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They made a load of changes after about half an hour. We had taken control long before they removed most of their first teamers
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
"we ve had some litlle issues .... and sticky moments". Do wonder whats that about
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
"we ve had some litlle issues .... and sticky moments". Do wonder whats that about
The humidity in Australia?
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Bournemouth has to be front 4 of Coutinho, Buendia, Bailey and Watkins, with a midfield of Kamara and Sanson, and Carlos and Chambers at CB.
Let's start positive and go for the throats - With the squad now at his disposal, the target should be 6pts against Bournemouth and Everton. Anything less is not good enough. UTV
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I really don’t like the, “X will be like a new signing..” saying but Leon Bailey this is your year son. Please take advantage of the opportunity and become a hero.
With that said, Ings and Watkins cannot be on the pitch at the same time. You know it, I know it.
I said it in another thread that we shouldn't write bailey off! He hit the ground running, got injured, rushed back and got injured again.
With a full preseason, a manager who likes to attack and the improvements made behind him he will be amazing for us this year.
Form is temporary but he is TALENTED! I expect him to be more important to us than Young was when he first arrived.
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
I agree football is a game of two halves. Being too lazy to click I am presuming that’s what he said.
The team didn't click in the first half.
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Let’s see if Buendia starts the first game.
Can we get away with Coutinho, Buendia and Bailey together? I'd be excited to try it.
Yes why not! Would that be with Kamara, Ramsey and McGinn behind them?
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The manager’s comments are spot on
https://twitter.com/avfcofficial/status/1550816559576522752?s=21&t=Gwdy94hm1dsoqazZiuYaPw
I agree football is a game of two halves. Being too lazy to click I am presuming that’s what he said.
Just said pre-season has gone well, was pleased with the 2nd half response, that Bailey made more than an impact in changing the game and that JLR make some of the finest vehicles in the world. Other than that not much.
Thanks. I am really warming to Steven now.
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Credit to Bailey for the change in attitude. He often looked like he was deliberately playing within himself last year and many suspected fitness was an issue. We can't afford to write £30m off, so hopefully we're seeing what he can offer more consistently.
Well done to the manager for taking off some of the bigger names too, despite the 60 minute objective for game time. A squad ought to be competitive and I hope see Bailery and Buendia starting against Bournemouth.
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Aye. I’m glad Bailery has stopped aying up at last.
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From what Gerrard said, it sounded like Bailey didn't have any confidence in his body to stay fit and was thinking about getting hurt more than he was about playing. Hopefully that's a thing of the past.
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Is anyone else blocked from seeing the highlights on VillaTV? I have the full five match pack and Villa+ but it tells me I need a different subscription. >:(
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They are on our FB Page now.
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They are on our FB Page now.
Ah cheers.
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I pay the 2quid monthly subscription but they're still not letting me view the highlights when logged-in.
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I pay the 2quid monthly subscription but they're still not letting me view the highlights when logged-in.
I’ve emailed em, but all I’ve had back is an email with my email on it. ;D
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Is anyone else blocked from seeing the highlights on VillaTV? I have the full five match pack and Villa+ but it tells me I need a different subscription. >:(
Yes I did. Must be a glitch
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I thought we played better when Ings and Watkins were both off the pitch, really impressed with a couple of the youngsters, They kept the same side for the start of the second half which the commentator deemed to be their best line up and yet we dominated. What Gerrard cannot do is to leave out those that show they can and want to play and keep playing the usual suspects.
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I thought Doug on the left and Sanson on the right worked really well. I hate to say it but both look a lot more effective than McGinn.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
They've been below par for some time.
Ollie I still think has goals in him. The other three are extremely dodgy at times. Can't remember the last time McGinn had a decent game.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
They've been below par for some time.
Ollie I still think has goals in him. The other three are extremely dodgy at times. Can't remember the last time McGinn had a decent game.
I think his place is going to come under real pressure. Mings was poor yesterday as well. The problem with the pair of them is constantly losing possession. We just can't afford to do that.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
They've been below par for some time.
Ollie I still think has goals in him. The other three are extremely dodgy at times. Can't remember the last time McGinn had a decent game.
I think his place is going to come under real pressure. Mings was poor yesterday as well. The problem with the pair of them is constantly losing possession. We just can't afford to do that.
Managers tend to be more radical in their first months and then revert to form, players becoming undropable same tactics and so on.
Still hopeing Gerard is going to run a tactical meritocracy.
But I can se all the above starting against Bournemouth.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
They've been below par for some time.
Ollie I still think has goals in him. The other three are extremely dodgy at times. Can't remember the last time McGinn had a decent game.
I think his place is going to come under real pressure. Mings was poor yesterday as well. The problem with the pair of them is constantly losing possession. We just can't afford to do that.
I don't know why Mings has to hoof it and give it away as much as he does. I always thought he had a nice left foot. Maybe I imagined it.
I want more composure from a captain.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
They've been below par for some time.
Ollie I still think has goals in him. The other three are extremely dodgy at times. Can't remember the last time McGinn had a decent game.
I think his place is going to come under real pressure. Mings was poor yesterday as well. The problem with the pair of them is constantly losing possession. We just can't afford to do that.
I don't know why Mings has to hoof it and give it away as much as he does. I always thought he had a nice left foot. Maybe I imagined it.
I want more composure from a captain.
He has got a nice left foot. I think maybe sometimes he’s a bit too ambitious with it.
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Watkins form has dropped dramatically, I like his effort but you cannot have a main stiker that can't retain posession.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
They've been below par for some time.
Ollie I still think has goals in him. The other three are extremely dodgy at times. Can't remember the last time McGinn had a decent game.
I think his place is going to come under real pressure. Mings was poor yesterday as well. The problem with the pair of them is constantly losing possession. We just can't afford to do that.
I don't know why Mings has to hoof it and give it away as much as he does. I always thought he had a nice left foot. Maybe I imagined it.
I want more composure from a captain.
He has got a nice left foot. I think maybe sometimes he’s a bit too ambitious with it.
That's fair enough mate. I remember that great run in the Championship where he was pinging balls about the pitch.
More of that please, Ty.
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I think the problem starts with the lack of movement by the rest of the team ie. options for an easier pass!
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
They've been below par for some time.
Ollie I still think has goals in him. The other three are extremely dodgy at times. Can't remember the last time McGinn had a decent game.
I think his place is going to come under real pressure. Mings was poor yesterday as well. The problem with the pair of them is constantly losing possession. We just can't afford to do that.
I don't know why Mings has to hoof it and give it away as much as he does. I always thought he had a nice left foot. Maybe I imagined it.
I want more composure from a captain.
He has got a nice left foot. I think maybe sometimes he’s a bit too ambitious with it.
That's fair enough mate. I remember that great run in the Championship where he was pinging balls about the pitch.
More of that please, Ty.
If we do the same thing every time, i.e. short passes out from the back, it becomes predictable to defend against. The odd long ball, even if it doesn’t come off, ensures that we keep that bit of uncertainty in the minds of the opposition.
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I thought we played better when Ings and Watkins were both off the pitch, really impressed with a couple of the youngsters, They kept the same side for the start of the second half which the commentator deemed to be their best line up and yet we dominated. What Gerrard cannot do is to leave out those that show they can and want to play and keep playing the usual suspects.
Agree with this, it should always be the case that if you play well, you keep the shirt. Think for too long we’ve played people based on previous performances rather than current form, with the squad we now have there’s no excuse to continue with this policy.
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I remember that great run in the Championship where he was pinging balls about the pitch.
More of that please, Ty.
In the Championship he was better than all attackers up against him and he had more time. The competition has changed drastically for Tyrone. He has not developed enough to be dominant in this League and after 3 seasons it is clear he will not get better. So time to move on I am afraid. Tyrone can do this season on the and he should provide good back up option.
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If we do the same thing every time, i.e. short passes out from the back, it becomes predictable to defend against. The odd long ball, even if it doesn’t come off, ensures that we keep that bit of uncertainty in the minds of the opposition.
Yes, giving them the ball straight back should really perplex them, I can't think why more teams haven't thought of this obvious tactic.
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Time for some culling of sacred cows McGinn Mings Ings Watkins.
Not sure whether it is luck or design but selling Mings next summer having been a mainstay this season makes sense. He’ll be thirty and we can sell at close to his ceiling price, i dunno, £30m. In the meantime we will know whether Carlos is decent and Feeney will be a year older, possibly with a loan under his belt.
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If we do the same thing every time, i.e. short passes out from the back, it becomes predictable to defend against. The odd long ball, even if it doesn’t come off, ensures that we keep that bit of uncertainty in the minds of the opposition.
Yes, giving them the ball straight back should really perplex them, I can't think why more teams haven't thought of this obvious tactic.
It doesn’t really change the point though, it’s only got to come off once. I agree that in some games it’s over done but predictable teams are easier to defend against.
When it’s worked well it’s because Watkins or McGinn run into the channels. If the fullback drops off because of it then next time there is the potential for space in midfield. It’s like a bowler setting the field for the short ball but then bowling full.
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Chris is right that we need to have the option to play the ball short or long. When we just do the former, teams have got wise to it and started leaving more players up and we struggle to get out of our half.
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One of the key differences between first and second half was the pressing. In the second we pressed them further up the pitch and Buendia and Bailey were more aggressive in pressuring than Coutinho and Ings. Watkins was our best presser in the final third in 20/21, but he’s not doing it so well lately. In the first half Maguire lost possession twice under pressure, but we too often left him with plenty of time and didn’t take advantage.
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One of the key differences between first and second half was the pressing. In the second we pressed them further up the pitch and Buendia and Bailey were more aggressive in pressuring than Coutinho and Ings. Watkins was our best presser in the final third in 20/21, but he’s not doing it so well lately. In the first half Maguire lost possession twice under pressure, but we too often left him with plenty of time and didn’t take advantage.
I think the presence of Grealish in top form made it easier for others including Watkins to press.
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Chris is right that we need to have the option to play the ball short or long. When we just do the former, teams have got wise to it and started leaving more players up and we struggle to get out of our half.
He is. It’s classic keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Mixing it up with a bit of movement up top when going long is a useful tactic.
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Chris is right that we need to have the option to play the ball short or long. When we just do the former, teams have got wise to it and started leaving more players up and we struggle to get out of our half.
He is. It’s classic keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Mixing it up with a bit of movement up top when going long is a useful tactic.
Also every now and again one goes over the top for a good old fashioned route one classic. Didn’t Coutinho score a corker from a Mings punt toward the end of last season?
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Chris is right that we need to have the option to play the ball short or long. When we just do the former, teams have got wise to it and started leaving more players up and we struggle to get out of our half.
He is. It’s classic keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Mixing it up with a bit of movement up top when going long is a useful tactic.
Also every now and again one goes over the top for a good old fashioned route one classic. Didn’t Coutinho score a corker from a Mings punt toward the end of last season?
Yes, and Watkins goal at Brighton was from a right hail Mary.
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Leicester built a title winning season on the ball over the top, it’s a bit different to the hopefull punt which we seem to do many times in a game.
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Chris is right that we need to have the option to play the ball short or long. When we just do the former, teams have got wise to it and started leaving more players up and we struggle to get out of our half.
He is. It’s classic keep doing the same thing and expecting different results. Mixing it up with a bit of movement up top when going long is a useful tactic.
Also every now and again one goes over the top for a good old fashioned route one classic. Didn’t Coutinho score a corker from a Mings punt toward the end of last season?
Yes, and Watkins goal at Brighton was from a right hail Mary.
I think a healthy Leon Bailey may be the biggest threat if we are talking about long balls. His first and second touch are usually good and he can create chances for himself.