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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Hookeysmith on February 13, 2022, 01:09:31 PM
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Apologies if there is one but could not see it.
Martinez
Cash
Chambers
Mings
Digne
Luiz
SJM
Ramsay
Buendia (phew)
Watkins
Magician
Subs
Strengthened by addition of Bailey
Tripper starts for them
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Happy Buendia made it, and good to see Leon on the bench. Disappointed that Morgan and Ings aren't starting.
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Big boost having Buendia in. Been playing well with him and he works hard too. Pretty much a full strength side other than Konsa and Traore, the latter would be on the bench no doubts. Good to have Bailey on the bench too.
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We go in unchanged outside of the enforced change so not sure why hasn't mixed up a bit after midweek exertions and hoping the recovery has been OK for them and we have decent energy.
The line up is pretty much set seemingly but maybe we could have looked at freshen things up.
Great to see Bailey on the bench.
And good luck Chambers! Good to see him involved strong and vocal showing.
Alan St Maximan is playing and he's unplayable when on form
He'll be booted in us trying to stop him so have to keep our discipline
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Happy enough with that but would like to see Ings on for a decent spell as well as Sanson, Bailey and/or Carney if some of them are feeling it after Weds.
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Big boost having Buendia in. Been playing well with him and he works hard too. Pretty much a full strength side other than Konsa and Traore, the latter would be on the bench no doubts. Good to have Bailey on the bench too.
He does work hard just been erratic in final passes if he can get that right today he be creating plenty.
I hope we done get undone by set plays with them having some strong headers of the ball.
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They need to play differently, to ensure the CB are not as exposed as they were last Wednesday.
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Yes, I would have preferred Ings... Hope Gerrard is quick to react, if we're not getting anywhere. I also hope Mings has been given a bit of a talking too. Perhaps he'd like to stay back a bit and keep an eye on young Calum?
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I am concerned that Buendia could breakdown after 30 disrupting the team?
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Interesting to see how the team look physically after the Leeds game, I can see a couple of changes being made around the hour mark.
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SG seems to make use of all 3 subs and it feels Chuck and Young will always be ones to come on injuries permitting.
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Sanson and Ings must not be rated all that much by Gerrard is the only conclusion you can take from that starting lineup. I guess Trippier will be left back for them.
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I am concerned that Buendia could breakdown after 30 disrupting the team?
I can see Joelinton beasting Buendia today - a physical mismatch.
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That said on Saint-Maximin we have Ramsey and Coutinho who are absolutely wonderful.
Ramsey will be fouled as much as ASM I'm sure when JJs dribbling
Ramsey is such a sight to hold brilliant and Shelvey and co will have no answer to PC and EB skills too.
Come on Villa
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Where’s Bert?
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Where’s Bert?
Injured
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Where’s Bert?
Hamstring issue from AFCON, out for a few weeks.
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SG seems to make use of all 3 subs and it feels Chuck and Young will always be ones to come on injuries permitting.
I’m looking forward to that.
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Nakamba injured as well?
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Nakamba injured as well?
Had an op a few weeks ago.
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Yes. I remember now. Thank you.
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Hopefully Chambers and Mings can bring the best out of each other today. To have one CB out of form you can often get away with, to have two like we did Wednesday usually ends in disaster . We don't often do routine wins but can we have one today please, Villa?
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Great news Emi fit, Lascelles out for them, which should make them weaker at the back.
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Hope Gerrard knows what he’s doing, as Luiz, McGinn and Watkins don’t deserve to keep those shirts after Wednesday’s calamity imo.
What’s the point in squad depth if players totally out of form get the nod over players waiting in the wings, regardless of what they do/don’t do on the pitch? Sends totally the wrong message.
Disappointed with that lineup but nevertheless hoping to eat humble pie at FT.
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Win today please - if we get some momentum that would be amazing.
Feels like we’re so close to clicking and would be great to see that
UTV
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Footy reckons Chambers is very vocal. That might help Mings as he does seem to be the only authoritative voice (plus Emi) at the back.
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I would like Bailey to come and out-Saint Maximin, Saint-Maximin
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I think Watkins is very lucky to start , so last chance saloon , so probably score today . I don't think we have much choice not playing Dougie as Chambers comes in at the back instead of DM . Need more from SJM today ,he should relish this game . Great to see Leon on bench .
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Come on Ollie have a brilliant game for us.
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Hope Gerrard knows what he’s doing, as Luiz, McGinn and Watkins don’t deserve to keep those shirts after Wednesday’s calamity imo.
What’s the point in squad depth if players totally out of form get the nod over players waiting in the wings, regardless of what they do/don’t do on the pitch? Sends totally the wrong message.
Disappointed with that lineup but nevertheless hoping to eat humble pie at FT.
I agree, he says he wants 2 quality players for each position but that's pointless unless you're brave enough you drop players from the first eleven.
Hope I'm wrong too (usually am) but not confident for today.
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Quieten their fans with a good start.
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ComeonyewLions!!!
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Judging by the front of their shirts NooCASTLE seem to be playing ten no. 4s
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Judging by the front of their shirts NooCASTLE seem to be playing ten no. 4s
Haha, yes, I was about to ask, what happened to their no. 4, was it a concussion, and saw it was in fact their no. 5.
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Get him off free kicks
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Shit free kick. Get it right.
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What a shit free kick
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Laughably poor.
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I think Watkins is very lucky to start , so last chance saloon , so probably score today . I don't think we have much choice not playing Dougie as Chambers comes in at the back instead of DM . Need more from SJM today ,he should relish this game . Great to see Leon on bench .
On the subject of 'The Last Chance Saloon' Luiz must be it's most regular customer. He has been a big let down for me in his time at the club and I think he is too reckless. Apparently he has a sixty six million quid release clause and any team who wants to trigger that must need their heads examining.
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SJM not so super there. Don't give it away so easily please!!
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McGinn needs to up his game. Dreadful ball, as usual.
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This set up really doesn’t bring McGinn into the game.
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Fuck Luiz off. He is shit on set pieces.
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shit corner.
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Another Luiz set piece masterclass.
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Fuck Luiz off. He is shit on set pieces.
Why is he still on them.
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I know it's been said before, but Jonjo Shelvey is a dead ringer for those cave-dwelling creatures in The Descent.
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Giving the ball away time after time.
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It looks so obvious you have to ask what he’s doing on them. There’s quality delivery in this side.
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Cash gave that away too easily.
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I know it's been said before, but Jonjo Shelvey is a dead ringer for those cave-dwelling creatures in The Descent.
I thought he was one of the inbred cannibals from The Hills Have Eyes?
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We look really lifeless at the moment
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Our midfield really is very shit at the moment.
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Conte out 😁
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Scrappy so far and not getting our playmakers on the ball
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In Athletico Mince , Bob Mortimer has made Shelvey into a Transylvanian vampire.
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Cash rushed that
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We still look a bit sum of the parts, waiting for one of the class players to do something special and then one of the other players gives the ball away. It will come but some of our players really need to do the simple things, such as, passing to a player in claret and blue, stop over-hitting passes or set pieces. The conditions might not be great but keep the ball better and these are there for the taking.
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Very poor so far. Need to settle down and start passing the ball properly.
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Wasye of a bandage
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Newcastle are huff and puff, but that's it. We should be winning this
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Very poor so far. Need to settle down and start passing the ball properly.
I thought noocastle would be better too
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Newcastle are huff and puff, but that's it. We should be winning this
So are we. I don’t see much of a difference between either side
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When's Ollie going to practice on his first touch
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We just don’t look up for this at the moment. No intensity whatsoever
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We just don’t look up for this at the moment. No intensity whatsoever
To be fair, it is an extremely bitty, stop start match, there's not much intensity out there full stop.
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Watkins couldn't less bothered if he tried. Really needs a goal. Better there though.
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When does Watkins arrive?
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This is horrific
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Watkins couldn't less bothered if he tried. Really needs a goal. Better there though.
That's what he needs, a goal.
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Watkins' control makes Gabby look like Messi.
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Please not dougie on this
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Commentators keep going on about the fact that Chris Wood hasn't scored yet for Newcastle. I think we know what happens next.
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Need to get Couthinio more involved. We seem to prefer going down the flanks to cash and digne
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Never a foul
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Fucking shite so far. Midfield non-existent. Like with Leeds, every time they go forward they're straight at our back line. Nothing in front.
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Our set pieces have been awful
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We are all over the place.
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Need to get Couthinio more involved. We seem to prefer going down the flanks to cash and digne
Took him a while against Leeds .then boom
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Watkins ain't scoring today.
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Not enough off the ball movement.
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Something isn't right about the midfield. Somebody needs to put their foot on the ball and win a few 50/50s
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Looking pretty poor up front.
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For a team or supposedly good players why is our standard of play so poor.
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Ref giving us nought
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Bollocks.
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Ref wtf
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Bollocks
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Luiz having a better game but sloppy in possession
Pen. FFS
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Too many players aren’t good enough. McGinn, Luiz, Watkins the main culprits.
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Fuck me. That should be a free kick
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Surely outside
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Fucking stupid tackle. Not a penalty though. Outside the box.
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Very boring match. Enough for me. Off to bed. Up the Villa!
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Outside the area.
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Stop playing long balls you c**ts!
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Should have been a foul on buendia just before
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Not a penalty but free-kick.
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The players do realize this is not a friendly
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Too many aimless long ball clearances - coming straight back at us.
Need to get Emi2 and Courinho on the ball.
Watkins getting very little help.
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Every time we knock it long it comes straight back. Just stop it!
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Regardless of what happens here, we have been all over the place.
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Outside area.
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Too many players aren’t good enough. McGinn, Luiz, Watkins the main culprits.
Ollie is on his own though. Nobody getting near him, and we're hoofing long balls in his direction. Why can't we pass the fucking ball?
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Dangerous with Trippier.
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This has been really poor.
Can’t keep the ball - something is not working
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Outside the box.
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the long balls have to stop.
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Embarrassing defending that but right call.
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Every team knows if they just mark our deepest-lying midfielders then we cannot get the ball out of defence without hoofing it
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Fuck off.
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Fucks sake
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Piss off
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Fuck.
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Should have somebody on line
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I would be tempted to take Watkins off for Sanson. Play Sanson as a DM and push McGinn right up the pitch.
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Even away from home I'd like to think Ramsey McGinn and Luiz would be dominating Shelvy and JoeLinton. Joelinton isn't even a midfielder.
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Buendia knee
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Sadly, a good goal.
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Every team knows if they just mark our deepest-lying midfielders then we cannot get the ball out of defence without hoofing it
This.
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What a stupid fucking wall
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When we play JJ, Luiz and McGinn in midfield, we've got a great midfield going forward but absolutely nothing defensively.
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lucky ******
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He's free kicks are better than Luiz
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Want to see a reaction from Villa now. Very unconvincing so far.
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We ain’t gonna get back into this. So predictably poor again.
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Christ we've been absolutely awful in possession. Absolutely no clue how to move the ball forward and no protection for defence again
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
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What a load of shit. jammy bastards.
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What a stupid fucking wall
Yes.
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We will be sucked into a relegation scrap if we ain't careful. Those five straight losses under Smith might bite us on the arse yet. We don't have a whole lot of room for another bad run.
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Garbage
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Now wake up Villa!
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
Deflected off Buendia.
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
It took a deflection.
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Pathetic defending again.
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Piss poor performance
Can not think of any one playing well
Martinez should have done better
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Get off the pitch you pansy little shit.
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The worst half under Gerrard by a long long way. Changes at half time please
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Actually thinks Woods fouls Chambers just before he challenges Willock.
Serious test now. UTV.
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Is Coutinho playing?
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We will be sucked into a relegation scrap if we ain't careful. Those five straight losses under Smith might bite us on the arse yet. We don't have a whole lot of room for another bad run.
I know it's frustrating but this is nonsense
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Buendia knee
Wall was a mess
It's what we deserve anyway. Poor team selection and usual suspects performing terribly yet again.
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The worst half under Gerrard by a long long way. Changes at half time please
He surely can't start the second half with that midfield?
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Absolutely pathetic and no better than Smith's worst. Time for Gerrard to grow a pair and make some changes, this is woeful
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
Deflected off Buendia.
The blaming on here us ridiculous
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Don't you just fucking know it.
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Not buying a fucking defensive midfielder. How many fucking times do we leave ourselves short the one fucking player we need to buy.
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
EMI would have done but it came off Buendia’s thigh
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This is appalling
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
Deflected off Buendia.
Oh, I thought it was McGinn.
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Ffs jump on his back why don't you
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We will be sucked into a relegation scrap if we ain't careful. Those five straight losses under Smith might bite us on the arse yet. We don't have a whole lot of room for another bad run.
I know it's frustrating but this is nonsense
This
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He still should save it, he seems to shrink. Can't see how we're getting back into this, have we had a shot yet?
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Really disappointing so far. Watkins offers absolutely nothing at the moment and needs dropping
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I think the deflection did for Martinez
You do not set up a wall with a gap
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The Robles is the midfield don’t ever get the ball it just goes around at the back and then it goes long.
This is really poor
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Three yellows there
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Why did they leave such a huge gap in the middle of the wall?
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We will be sucked into a relegation scrap if we ain't careful. Those five straight losses under Smith might bite us on the arse yet. We don't have a whole lot of room for another bad run.
I know it's frustrating but this is nonsense
Newcastle will be only 6 points behind us if we lose this.
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John McGinn is so over-rated.
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
It took a deflection.
Even with the deflection he should have done better.
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It's tactics screwing us over these last couple of games. The opposition has worked out that our midfielders don't know where to stand or who to mark when we don't have the ball.
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Oh fuck it.
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What an utterly abysmal first half so far.
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Emi should have saved that. Piss poor.
It took a deflection.
Even with the deflection he should have done better.
Jesus... did you see the speed of the ball?
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Haven’t seen anything so far to convince me we are anything other than a very average lower mid table team.
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All progress has gone. Let’s hope we don’t spend the rest of the season counting the points.
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Absolutely appalling. Team in trouble - here you go lads, have three points. Dreadful dreadful stuff.
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Very poor cash
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I know it's been said before, but Jonjo Shelvey is a dead ringer for those cave-dwelling creatures in The Descent.
And Almiron is the dead ringer for Sheldon Cooper off of The Big Bang Theory.
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Never a booking
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We seriously need a new midfield.
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All progress has gone. Let’s hope we don’t spend the rest of the season counting the points.
Didn't you get the memo from the smarty pants above? You aren't allowed to point this out.
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Well noocastle be staying up
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We’re gonna get a red here by the end the way this is going.
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The body language of the players is a mess too. They just don't seem to be playing for each other - they just keep looking round for someone to blame.
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Steven Gerrard said he is happy with the midfield. The knob. It's not a good midfield at all.
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this is a fucking shambles. Mentally, physically, tactically - bag of wank - let's hope this is our poor half.
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Lardarse off at half time please.
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This ref is shite, looks like he's just woken up and had a quick joint on the way in.
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Once again, we are the gift that keeps on giving for a side near the bottom of the table. Our record against relegation threatened sides over the last few seasons has been shocking.
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It’s the lack of movement off the ball going forward that means the attack breaks down. Watkins is the worse culprit.
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Hoof, hoof, hoof.
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McGinn can't handle this - they're all over him.
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Cash twice now . Useless
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Cash having a stinker too. When will it ever end.
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Some real home truths needed at half time here. Nowhere near the required level today
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What really pisses me off = keeper has ball, rolls it to defender, risky pass after risky pass, three or four of them short at the back, followed by worst case, poor pass and we're under totally avoidable pressure OR gets to Mings, big hoof up pitch, comes straight back at us.
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Not one of our players is playing well at the moment. SG needs to tear j to them HT
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McGinn's dealing with maximum like Reid should of dealt with Maradonna
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What really pisses me off = keeper has ball, rolls it to defender, risky pass after risky pass, three or four of them short at the back, followed by worst case, poor pass and we're under totally avoidable pressure OR gets to Mings, big hoof up pitch, comes straight back at us.
They should have a midfielder to pass to, but there's never an option.
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No luck there
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Buendia has invisible so far.
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What really pisses me off = keeper has ball, rolls it to defender, risky pass after risky pass, three or four of them short at the back, followed by worst case, poor pass and we're under totally avoidable pressure OR gets to Mings, big hoof up pitch, comes straight back at us.
Totally agree
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Shame that, best set piece so far!!
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We need to change up so that Cash is not always the furthest player forward on the right. That would mean Bailey on. Not sure for whom though. Buendia or Coutts I guess.
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What really pisses me off = keeper has ball, rolls it to defender, risky pass after risky pass, three or four of them short at the back, followed by worst case, poor pass and we're under totally avoidable pressure OR gets to Mings, big hoof up pitch, comes straight back at us.
They should have a midfielder to pass to, but there's never an option.
Because they not are running into spaces.
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Have we had anything on target yet?
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What really pisses me off = keeper has ball, rolls it to defender, risky pass after risky pass, three or four of them short at the back, followed by worst case, poor pass and we're under totally avoidable pressure OR gets to Mings, big hoof up pitch, comes straight back at us.
Yes, every time.
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Have we had anything on target yet?
Not even close
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We throw in so many of these listless performances every season. Where does it come from?
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Have we had anything on target yet?
No and hardly anything off target either.
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Fucking joke this
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What the actual fuck is going on there?
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Getting serious vibes that these players are not as on board with the Gerrard as the club would like us to think they are
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I really hope this isn’t our good half.
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I wish that person squealing near the commentator would shut the fk up.
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That sums us up nicely. Mings and Martinez fuck up. What a fucking mess this is.
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Who the hell keeps screaming.
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Take the ball with you Watkins
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Mings and Martinez lucky there.
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Norwich away seems an eternity . We had so much momentum with us that night.
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Worse half under Gerrard
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Absolute fucking shambles
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Utter shite half.
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I keep hearing someone screaming in the crowd.
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Absolutely shockingly poor, that.
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Why would Coutinho want to stay this summer? I was doubtful any way but I honestly think he’ll be off. This is shite. What I don’t get is how there are are so many sides below us. They all look like they have a shade of competence about them. Utter utter wank.
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Possibly one of our worst halves of the season so far?
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Appalling half.
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I don't Blame Martinez for going for it If I had mings in front of me in the form he's showed of late
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Bag of shite.
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I'm glad we have a few points in the bag already.
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Very very poor
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That was utterly dreadful
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That was unacceptably poor. No Villa player more than 4 out of 10.
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Also, Newcastle are absolutely terrible.
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that was awful - not one of them is playing well. Useless.
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This is fucking hopeless other than it only being 1-0. Not sure how he changes it.
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Rip the bollox off them and if that is what our set piece coach comes up with, fire him on the spot and give him his taxi fare home
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That was horrible. Everton, Leeds now Newcastle - we look shit and being totally outplayed.
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Absolutely fucking wank. The worst 45 all fucking season.
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Also, Newcastle are absolutely terrible.
That's the thing, they are utterly shite, but seem more up for it than we do. The pitch looks twice as big as it actually is - it's like we're running in treacle.
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Shite Villa, but nice of the ref to allow Dan Burn to chuck Watkins around with impunity.
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Awful, especially the midfield. I hope that wasn't our good half.
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Brentford all over again. There is nothing more frustrating in football than watching your team have all of the ball against shit opposition and just fanny about with it getting no where and then getting sucker punched. Only one that played well was McGinn and Coutinho was good when he occasionally touched it. The rest of them were pretty much all over the place.
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Not sure this system lends itself to the PL.
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I wish that person squealing near the commentator would shut the fk up.
Indeed. Who is the co-commentator today?
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Not very good at all that. We should be swarming all over them in central areas.
Would get Ings on as Ollie again poor.
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Maybe our worst half of the season.
Diabolical with nothing to cheer or get excited about.
Hammer them at HT Steven >:(
Douglas needs to be banned from set pieces.
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Possibly one of our worst halves of the season so far?
No possibly about it.
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We’ve actually got two set piece coaches now haven’t we? The div out of Hanson and the bloke Gerrard brought with him.
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That was as poor a half as anything I saw under Dean Smith or Steve Bruce. That was a super shambles. Cash can't cross, McGinn fouls or gives the ball away. Mings punts, Luiz is anonymous again. As for Watkins, he is almost Jordan Boweryesque at the minute. Stop waving you arms around and be a bit stronger. Terrible half of football. If Gerrard expects to buy his way to success good luck to him but I reckon you have to coach them properly first.
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Let’s hope that was the bad half.
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Absolutely fucking wank. The worst 45 all fucking season.
reminds me of the opening fixture at Watford
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It would appear that our players hadn't met each other before until they met up in the pub car park at lunchtime.
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Possibly the worst half I’ve seen this season, no definitely the worst. Not just individuals, the whole lot of them. Yes Watkins is poor but he’s had no service, yes Luiz is shocking but McGinn and Buendia are worse. I hope SG rips them all a new arsehole cos they desperately need it
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What's the point in having a world class player if you have no plan whatsoever to get him on the ball?
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Surely we can't be that bad in the second half.
We've been so poor all over the place from the keeper to the centre forward.
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That team is woefully underperforming.
Something ain’t right.
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Maybe our worst half of the season.
Diabolical with nothing to cheer or get excited about.
Hammer them at HT Steven >:(
Douglas needs to be banned from set pieces.
It was bad, but first half against Arsenal was different level terrible.
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We’ve actually got two set piece coaches now haven’t we? The div out of Hanson and the bloke Gerrard brought with him.
Can have all the coaches on the world, if you keep kicking the ball badly they'll come to nothing
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We’ve actually got two set piece coaches now haven’t we? The div out of Hanson and the bloke Gerrard brought with him.
Genius
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Luiz can fuck off as well, offers nothing but truly shit free kicks and corners.
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Crap from Villa crap from the ref, how does McGinn get booked for getting his foot on the ball? I can see him geting a red at this rate.
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Maybe our worst half of the season.
Diabolical with nothing to cheer or get excited about.
Hammer them at HT Steven >:(
Douglas needs to be banned from set pieces.
It was bad, but first half against Arsenal was different level terrible.
My God yes
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Luiz can fuck off as well, offers nothing but truly shit free kicks and corners.
He can take McGinn and Watkins with him.
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We always seem surprised when a team close us down aggressively. We are less than the sum of our parts at the moment. Oh for that strong DCM to help us manage games.
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Not very good at all that. We should be swarming all over them in central areas.
Would get Ings on as Ollie again poor.
Can't see that making any difference.
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Garbage...always the same against a physical opposition.
Hopefully that wasn't our good half.
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I’m tempted to switch the rugby on because this past 45 minutes has affected my Tourette’s.
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Sick of this Watkins no service rhetoric. He looks miserable, sulky and generally out of sorts. He’s driving me fucking nuts. We paid £35m for the kid and he looks like we’d get more of a tune out of a 52 year old Ian Olney at the moment. Absolutely wank
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This is bad - the formation doesn’t work with the players we have. The only part of the team that looks anything near the required level is the the when Emi or Ramsey have the ball
If this is what we’re like after a mini preseason And a great transfer window i fucking dread to think how bad we would have been otherwise
I have seen little since SG first few games that we are going in the right direction. We have the odd ten minutes of looking class - but other than that the players look like they have no idea how to play the system and it is getting worse
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Every bit as shit as the second half on Wednesday, If not worse.
We are trying to play 30mph football against a team playing 90mph. We have to match them.
Luiz, cash, Digne all very, very poor.
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Not very good at all that. We should be swarming all over them in central areas.
Would get Ings on as Ollie again poor.
Can't see that making any difference.
Like changing your hat whilst drowning
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Completely disjointed. We've hardly played any decent football.
Our corners and freekicks have been woeful.
Cash is getting too close to the left back when he has the ball and then has no room to cross or do anything.
Watkins totally isolated up front, but not doing anything when he has the ball, and not doing his "usual" pressing either.
Little or no movement when we get the ball.
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One of the criticisms aimed at the Manager was that he had no plan B. He needs a fucker now.
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What a load of crap.
Maybe Mings can pen another article on StevenG about how not everything in the garden is as rosy.
I think McGinn and Luiz are very overrated. They have eye catching moments but both give the ball away foul too much and positional sometimes poor
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Pathetic. Not a single half decent performance
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Watkins, McGinn, Luiz have been fucking atrocious.
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So cautious not enough attacking threat yet again no shot on target. Very disappointing. I imagine we'll have a better second half but it's getting predictable the lack of goal threat and shots at goal at times looks ordinary . Gerrard style of play relying on Cash as the outlet as attacking full back needs an upgrade there.
Coutinho needs to be taking set pieces
Callum Chambers liability if
Buendia misplaced passes all the time
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Not sure this system lends itself to the PL.
Me neither, unless you have real target man up front to whom every hopeful punt sticks. Neither Watkins or Ings is that player.
Not sure how we should line up with the fit personnel we have though. Maybe with Marv out we simply have to have all three of McGinn, Luiz and Sanson in midfield for the solidity.
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Sanson needs to come on the to anchor the middle.
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Too many players aren’t good enough. McGinn, Luiz, Watkins the main culprits.
None of which should have started today after Wednesday’s shit show. Ollie doesn’t even remotely look capable of getting on the end of or showing for anything, let alone scoring.
If I were Ings or Sanson I’d be mightily pissed off right now.
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Gerrard's got a big summer ahead of him. Lots of work to do to transform this lot.
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Not very good at all that. We should be swarming all over them in central areas.
Would get Ings on as Ollie again poor.
Can't see that making any difference.
Think Ings might offer better runs today.
Our main tactic so far seems to be getting the ball out to Cash who just loses it or takes extra touch.
You can see Newcastle getting another early on second half and that will pretty much season over as we aren't catching likes of Wolves if they win today.
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We need some width. This just isn’t working.
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Watkins, McGinn, Luiz have been fucking atrocious.
Watkins is doing his usual Agbonlahor impression when things aren't going his way.
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Why are our lot constantly getting in each other’s way or crowding each other out?
That seems to becoming a thing with us.
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Bring KD back off loan??
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One of the criticisms aimed at the Manager was that he had no plan B. He needs a fucker now.
Absolutely. The ability to change the formation and use your subs. Let’s see what he does to earn the label of being a manager.
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Too many players aren’t good enough. McGinn, Luiz, Watkins the main culprits.
None of which should have started today after Wednesday’s shit show. Ollie doesn’t even remotely look capable of getting on the end of or showing for anything, let alone scoring.
If I were Ings or Sanson I’d be mightily pissed off right now.
As a Villa fan I'm pissed off its on the manager that half
However I think we'll be a different side second half and more of this style of Aston Villa that Gerrard trying to sell us.
I mean the guy talks a good game but it's a very boring with his approach a lot of time for me as its utterly predictable how he wants to play.
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Bring KD back off loan??
things aren't that bad.... ;D
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Bring KD back off loan??
No he’s shit.
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One of the criticisms aimed at the Manager was that he had no plan B. He needs a fucker now.
Absolutely. The ability to change the formation and use your subs. Let’s see what he does to earn the label of being a manager.
He doesn't change the system He may change the players. He'll put it on players saying things like we don't compete. We'll all we relying on are set pieces which aren't good enough. Wonder what they do in training because the passing isn't up to much in final ball.
Can look very good but the accuracy and quality is lacking
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Last season Ollie was our only real choice. Davies couldnt score and neither could Wes when he was fit.
But Ings is an option now and should be used.
And the management should rip into the players
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Watkins, McGinn, Luiz have been fucking atrocious.
Yep, lots of arm waving from McGinn and Watkins in particular. Losing the midfield battle to Shelvey and Joelinton is laughable. Id hook McGinn and Watkins for Sanson and Ings on 55/60 if things dont improve.
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Lost the ball again already!!
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I'd just use Couthinio like we used Grealish. Give him the ball as quick as possible and get runners around him.
Take the handbrake off
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At least we didn’t waste any money on a defensive midfield player.
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You have to look at the coaching to account for this performance.
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Fuck sake Cash. How many touches do you need?
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Cash is so wasteful
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For me there's still hope as a game of two halves and that will step up the intensity but its all the same these games now. Think can still slavage something
Very frustrating though
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Tripper off
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Cash is truly rubbish.
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Trippier going off. Good for us. But we have to take advantage.
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No changes at half time. Lads, you can play as bad as you like, you won't be hooked.
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Anything resembling a half decent move always seems to end up at the feet of Cash, and that is where it ends.
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Every single time Cash runs onto the ball in the final third, he trips over the fucking thing.
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Why shoot from there
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They have so many injuries they are running a skeleton crew. We have to tear them to pieces this half. Have to.
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No changes at half time. Lads, you can play as bad as you like, you won't be hooked.
I know it’s ridiculous.
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Get Ings on
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Get Watkins off FFS.
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Fucking pass Watkins!
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There might be some light at the end of the tunnel. Gary Neville reckons Villa will improve in the second half
and that Newcastle have already peaked in the game and won't step up and improve anymore in the match.
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Unlucky Cash
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Unlucky Cash
I thought it was in!
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Unlucky Cash
You're joking.
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Howe and his staff shouting and showing some encouragement.
Meanwhile, Gerrard stands about like a statue
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Unlucky Cash
You're joking.
It was a good strike?
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We'll play well now for 10 minutes, spunk a few chances before conceding a goal and and going into our shell again
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Watkins needs to come off
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We'll play well now for 10 minutes, spunk a few chances before conceding a goal and and going into our shell again
You just know it.
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Coutinho surrounded. Needs help!!
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Howe and his staff shouting and showing some encouragement.
Meanwhile, Gerrard stands about like a statue
We get that you don't like him
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It’s still not working SG. Do something.
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Need to make something of this spell.
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Useless free kick
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I thought Coutinho could take free kicks?
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Useless free kick
Hey, it's a shot on target. Let's be grateful.
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Aston Villa break my fucking heart.
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we have two specialists freekick takers in Phil and Digne and Doug keeps stepping up?
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I thought Digne was a set piece expert so why is Luiz taking them with his fucking pathetic efforts?
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Useless free kick
I keep repeating myself why is Dougie taking our free kicks?
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What sort of shot was that by Luiz. Laughable, if we didn't have Coutinho in the side.
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McMinn FFS
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Brilliant tackle Mings
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Some of these players are eliminating themselves from a place in this squad next season. This is piss poor
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Why the hell did Dougie take that? His set pieces delivery is shite.
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I can only assume the ban on tomato ketchup has been lifted hence our return to being shite
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Somebody needs to ask Gerrard .why the fook does it take the free kicks
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Fuck Ollie :)
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Get in Ollie!
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Yessss
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Total shite.
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Our set piece coach is really earning his corn. Not.
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It's like we fucking hate that football
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Yes!
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Yessssss thank god
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Soooo much better and a lovely quick played attack
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Total shite.
That did it😀
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Yessssssss!
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VAR?
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VAR check?
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aint been a var all weekend
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They're going to rule it out aren't they?
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Initially I thought it offside
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They're going to rule it out aren't they?
Given Ollie's record of this sort of thing, almost certainly.
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You're fucking jokin
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Fucked over by VAR again. Reveiws for Citeh, Manure, etc. 10secs, ours on and on and on .......
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How would this be clear and obvious FFS?
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Piss off
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FFS.
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Of course.
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Ridiculous
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VAR....
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#corrupt
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Fucking VAR.
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Joke
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Even the Geordie co commentator though it was a goal. I fucking hate VAR
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I thought he looked offside at the time, it was only a gnats knacker in it.
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So much for clear and obvious!!!!
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Unbelievable. It's just fucking unbelievable.
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Never in doubt once VAR got involved
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Of course it was offside in VAR. It was Watkins
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Not gonna be our day is it…..been a lot of those this season.
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Wankers
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Watkins and VAR, only one winner there
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I thought he looked offside at the time, it was only a gnats knacker in it.
same here. Watkins should be making sure he is on.
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How do we always get fucked sideways by VAR?
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If that was man city ..goal
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So predictable.
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Can’t wait for Young to come on.
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Bloody suspicious not doing the lines across the pitch.
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His fucking body is behind the line of the defender and he scored with his fucking head, absolute bollocks
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Don't think that line was done right myself... They want noocastle in the prem
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It would be interesting to know how many times we have been fucked over by VAR. It must be dozens by now.
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Pulled his shirt ffs
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Newcastle showing their shiteness now. Anyone else would have turned this around by now.
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Don't think that line was done right myself... They want noocastle in the prem
I think Villa do the way we are playing
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Pulled his shirt ffs
Does that not count as a penalty then or was the ball out of play?
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My god subs. Only about 40 mins too late.
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Book him
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How many fouls had that Joelintin done?
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Players having a break
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Fuck me, somebody went past their man.
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Garbage. We're poor at the moment.
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I didn’t think they were doing those marginal offsides any more?
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Medical emergency by the looks of it
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The attitude has been all wrong.
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I didn’t think they were doing those marginal offsides any more?
It all depends who stands to benefit from the decision
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I didn’t think they were doing those marginal offsides any more?
It all depends who stands to benefit from the decision
Isn't that the fucking truth.
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This is fucking rubbish.
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We have been better team in 2nd half. Doesn’t say much for Newcastle or us.
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Howe and his staff shouting and showing some encouragement.
Meanwhile, Gerrard stands about like a statue
We get that you don't like him
Nothing to do with not liking him. I don't rate him that's the issue
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There should be 6+ minutes of stoppage time added on to this one
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I cant remember their keeper making a save.
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Bailey looks awake at least
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Medical emergency by the looks of it
They are getting the paddles out to try to jump start our season.
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I cant remember their keeper making a save.
Luis' free kick
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Free kick my arse
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You know it’s not going to be your day when free kicks are given against you for that.
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Just in from a hike. Come on you Villa boys! Oh!
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Fucking hell mcginn
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I cant remember their keeper making a save.
He had to catch the Luiz floaty free kick. That's it I think.
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Oh my bloody god
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Fucking hell mcginn
He's been utter shite today
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Our midfield has been f........ awful
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Fucking hell McGinn
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McGinn. Fucking hell.
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What has he done? Or not done
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Fucking hell mcginn
He's been utter shite today
He’s been utter shite for weeks.
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Luiz and McGinn trying to outdo each other to see who can take the crappiest free kick of the afternoon.
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Fucking hell mcginn
He's been utter shite today
He’s good for manure now.
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McGinn. Fucking hell.
That free kick summed up his performance.
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Wow, that was a tremendous free kick, straight to one of them.
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What has he done? Or not done
Just played a short free kick straight to a Newcastle player. Set them away.
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Luiz and McGinn trying to outdo each other to see who can take the crappiest free kick of the afternoon.
Neck and neck in that race
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This performance is unacceptable.
SG needs to take take a long hard look at himself.
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That VAR decision has fucked us. We were 100% winning the match if that has stood. Gutting
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The crapper the opponents , the crappier the performance.
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That VAR decision has fucked us. We were 100% winning the match if that has stood. Gutting
Yep. It was an atrocious decision that took long enough to get right.
We haven't done enough though. That first half will live long in the memory for al the wrong reasons. It was abject.
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The fucking players do, formation or not, gifting the ball to the opposition and playing like you've smoked half an ounce of weed before the game is not acceptable.
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Pure shit and now my stream isn't working.
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:'(The commentator summed us up perfectly
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It has been poor and shows what we need, as this midfield is not good enough
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:'(The commentator summed us up perfectly
What did he say, this is fucking shit and we should be embarrassed?
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There’s been a foul every 30 seconds.
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Abject.
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We have been fucked over by VAR yet again but it shouldn’t take away from what a dreadful performance this has been.
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Luiz fuck off
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This performance has been a disgrace
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We have been fucked over by VAR yet again but it shouldn’t take away from what a dreadful performance this has been.
Yeah, the worst of both worlds.
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Another booking for Luiz.
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We have been fucked over by VAR yet again but it shouldn’t take away from what a dreadful performance this has been.
it was offside , we have been fucked off by playing like absolute shite.
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Three shit games in a row from us now. Worrying.
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Another booking for Luiz.
Let's hope he gets a suspension.
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Struth
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Queue for another ‘where do we go from here’ type thread.
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Seven minutes added time.
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Three shit games in a row from us now. Worrying.
Only reiterates what I've said for weeks.
We are NOT too good to go down.
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Fuck off Ings, that's toss
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This performance has been a disgrace
It was on the cards when you looked at the starting line up. Sanson and Ings should have started.
And then taking 70 mins to change it.
SG ain’t taking us to glory.
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Embarrassing performance. Gerrard has had a break with the team and we look worse. No urgency, no clear plan of how to move the ball through the lines and no protection for the defence.
I was all for Smith being moved on but it needed to be because a better manager was coming in, I'm not sure that's the case.
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Subs have done fuck all. Did we try and change the shape or just toss a couple of player on and hope for the best?
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Going nowhere fast with this lot. I thought we’d lose but not playing as badly as this. Utter garbage.
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Over 90 mins this has been our worst performance.
Awful
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This is pathetic. Go a goal down against a shite team dominate possession and test lose the game. Not acceptable.
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I just hope they all get torn new arseholes by Gerrard and that he's able to sort this mess out.
Start by dropping Watkins, Luiz and McGinn.
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The sheer stupidity of giving away attacking free kicks when chasing the game....
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Three shit games in a row from us now. Worrying.
Only reiterates what I've said for weeks.
We are NOT too good to go down.
Seriously you think we will go down?
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Can we get that 40 million for cash please
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Not only shite, but we're doing that thick-as-fuck routine, cheap free kicks gutting any momentum.
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Three shit games in a row from us now. Worrying.
Only reiterates what I've said for weeks.
We are NOT too good to go down.
Despite another shocking performance, there are easily three worst teams than us.
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Ings and Sanson must think “ what do we need to do “ when watching that
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Subs have been crap.
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Can we get that 40 million for cash please
Every time he's trapped the ball today it's got under his feet
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Fucking hell. We need to carry the ball into the box, they will be bricking it not wanting to concede apen
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Just not been anywhere near good enough today
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Pissed off now. Horrible game.
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Sums it up. Terrible cross then gives them a free
Kick. This feels like the sort of game we had
20 times a season under Paul Lambert.
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Gerards given up on this one.
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We are doing a smashing job of killing time to preserve Newcastle's 1-0 lead.
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Ings and Sanson must think “ what do we need to do “ when watching that
Ings is out there! Gerrard playing to the gallery on bench. Yes pal, that is your team.
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That is appalling body language from SG.
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The bottom 3 plus Leeds will finish below us as a minimum, yes poor today, again. I understand that, and at home to Watford becomes a nervous game is a worry, but we are not going down.
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Gerards given up on this one.
Not a great look.
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Ings and Sanson must think “ what do we need to do “ when watching that
I'd answer 'something' and 'not assisting Man Utd in scoring' respectfully.
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Pissed off now. Horrible game.
We have been shit in a really shit game.
Neither goalie has had a save to make
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Got to give Stevie G the summer I suppose, but he isn’t inspiring any faith from me so far
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Looking forward to hearing what Gerrard had to say about that
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I've hated virtually every moment of this.
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Our owners must be wondering what’s going on. Some very worrying signs.
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That is so shit from Villa. Hopeless performance.
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That is appalling body language from SG.
What was he doing mate?
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I've only watched the first half, think i will go back to bed.
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That is appalling body language from SG.
What was he doing mate?
Sitting there giving the impression he'd rather be somewhere else.
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That is appalling body language from SG.
What was he doing mate?
Sitting there giving the impression he'd rather be somewhere else.
Like the rest of us then.
I'd Imagine he'd be incredibly frustrated about our game management for the final 20 minutes which was a joke.
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I've hated virtually every moment of this.
With 10mins to go I took out the rubbish because it was preferable to what i was watching.