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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: XXVilla on November 25, 2017, 02:35:32 PM
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I’ve just noticed the national flag of China is flying over the HDE Stand. Anyone else uncomfortable with this?
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I would be.
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It’s been there for ages.
And no.
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No.
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No.
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Not fussed.
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More interested in what takes place on the pitch personally. We have rainbow corner flags up and down the country whats one more flag.
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The Chinese, a great bunch of lads. What's the problem?
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Yes. We should give the stand a different name.
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The owner is Chinese. He’s pumped millions into the club. There is a flag flying from his country. It doesn’t matter one bit.
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Yes. We should give the stand a different name.
Ha ha, very good.
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No, I'm happy it's there.
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We are a Chinese owned business, i'd be more surprised if there wasnt one there.
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Do you get bothered when Redditch Villa fly a St George's Cross from the stand when we play abroad in Europe? Oh!
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The owner is Chinese. He’s pumped millions into the club. There is a flag flying from his country. It doesn’t matter one bit.
Same for me.
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Do you get bothered when Redditch Villa fly a St George's Cross from the stand when we play abroad in Europe? Oh!
Are they bringing the InterToto back?!
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Do you get bothered when Redditch Villa fly a St George's Cross from the stand when we play abroad in Europe? Oh!
Are they bringing the InterToto back?!
No, they are taking the country back though.
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No
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The owner is Chinese. He’s pumped millions into the club. There is a flag flying from his country. It doesn’t matter one bit.
Same for me.
x3
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Prefer it to the old 'USA' chants. Go China
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I hope, like the Queen has the Royal Standard flying above Buckingham Palace when she's in her digs, Xia has the Chinese flag flying above Villa Park when he's over.
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The owner is Chinese. He’s pumped millions into the club. There is a flag flying from his country. It doesn’t matter one bit.
Same for me.
x3
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Yes. We should give the stand a different name.
Ha ha, very good.
This x 3
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As last mg as it’s not blue and white.
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As last mg as it’s not blue and white.
Wise words mate.
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I like Chinese
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I find England tattoos more offensive to be honest.
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No and why would it?
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Yes.It should be his home province Zhejiang flag.
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Was the flag made in England?
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
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Why would it bother anyone?
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
I get where you are coming from but maybe this will help.
Dr.X is a businessman he has nothing to do with his government's actions. He is proud to be Chinese. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of Russians are patriots as well who have no love for Putin, the majority of USA citizens hate everything Trump and his voters stand for but love their country.
Sometimes you have to distinguish between the government and the country you know?
edit: Anyway not trying to belittle your concerns, just trying to hopefully help give you a way of looking at things so you dont ruin your enjoyment of Villa with the flag there. Hope it helps.
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
You are going to find the coming decades difficult to stomach then.
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
I get where you are coming from but maybe this will help.
Dr.X is a businessman he has nothing to do with his government's actions. He is proud to be Chinese. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of Russians are patriots as well who have no love for Putin, the majority of USA citizens hate everything Trump and his voters stand for but love their country.
Sometimes you have to distinguish between the government and the country you know?
Well that’s a convenient argument that tries to gloss over some very difficult questions. It still doesn’t make it any more palatable that the flag of a hostile and repressive regime flies over what we all would agree is a tolerant and dignified institution. For totalitarian regimes symbolism is everything.
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Well that’s a convenient argument that tries to gloss over some very difficult questions. It still doesn’t make it any more palatable that the flag of a hostile and repressive regime flies over what we all would agree is a tolerant and dignified institution. For totalitarian regimes symbolism is everything.
Absolutely. What I am saying is the flag is staying. Most people dont have a problem with it. I respect the fact that you do. But you are going to have to find a world view that does indeed gloss over the difficult questions or have your enjoyment of Villa lessened.
The best tool I got for you as I said is our kid Tone loves his country and flys the flag. I suggest to you that you shouldnt read anything more than that into it.
It will drive you crazy if you dont.
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I can't be bothered to deliver a webinar on the British Empire but look it up.
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
I get where you are coming from but maybe this will help.
Dr.X is a businessman he has nothing to do with his government's actions. He is proud to be Chinese. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of Russians are patriots as well who have no love for Putin, the majority of USA citizens hate everything Trump and his voters stand for but love their country.
Sometimes you have to distinguish between the government and the country you know?
Well that’s a convenient argument that tries to gloss over some very difficult questions. It still doesn’t make it any more palatable that the flag of a hostile and repressive regime flies over what we all would agree is a tolerant and dignified institution. For totalitarian regimes symbolism is everything.
China has had a very different historical trajectory to our own. As the country that fought the opium wars with China, colonised the country and kept Hong Kong with no democracy until it was eventually handed back I think we should avoid the moral high ground. Over the past thirty years China has changed beyond recognition . 600 million people have been moved out of poverty - something not to be sniffed at. Now China is investing more than any other country in renewable energies and has invests in other countries rather than bombing them. Far from perfect of course but a country showing some advances in a troubled world. And Dr Tony's cool.
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Well that’s a convenient argument that tries to gloss over some very difficult questions. It still doesn’t make it any more palatable that the flag of a hostile and repressive regime flies over what we all would agree is a tolerant and dignified institution. For totalitarian regimes symbolism is everything.
Absolutely. What I am saying is the flag is staying. Most people dont have a problem with it. I respect the fact that you do. But you are going to have to find a world view that does indeed gloss over the difficult questions or have your enjoyment of Villa lessened.
The best tool I got for you as I said is our kid Tone loves his country and flys the flag. I suggest to you that you shouldnt read anything more than that into it.
It will drive you crazy if you dont.
Well there’s nothing I can do about it on a personal level other than to withdraw my support of Villa which as a life long supporter I’m not prepared to do. Aston Villa and my support for the club will still be there long after the Chinese have gone (assuming there’s no nasty surprises for me around the corner!). I don’t thing DrT has anything but good intentions for Villa and most of us know nothing about how deep he is in the murky world of finance and the Chinese state. However as I said earlier symbolism weighs heavy with repressive regimes and I hope the flying of this flag doesn’t come back to haunt us in years to come. We still debate Villa’s trips to Nazi Germany and whether or not the players gave a Nazi salute.
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
I get where you are coming from but maybe this will help.
Dr.X is a businessman he has nothing to do with his government's actions. He is proud to be Chinese. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of Russians are patriots as well who have no love for Putin, the majority of USA citizens hate everything Trump and his voters stand for but love their country.
Sometimes you have to distinguish between the government and the country you know?
Well that’s a convenient argument that tries to gloss over some very difficult questions. It still doesn’t make it any more palatable that the flag of a hostile and repressive regime flies over what we all would agree is a tolerant and dignified institution. For totalitarian regimes symbolism is everything.
China has had a very different historical trajectory to our own. As the country that fought the opium wars with China, colonised the country and kept Hong Kong with no democracy until it was eventually handed back I think we should avoid the moral high ground. Over the past thirty years China has changed beyond recognition . 600 million people have been moved out of poverty - something not to be sniffed at. Now China is investing more than any other country in renewable energies and has invests in other countries rather than bombing them. Far from perfect of course but a country showing some advances in a troubled world. And Dr Tony's cool.
And the Nazi’s built great roads and won the USA the space race...
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The owner is Chinese. He’s pumped millions into the club. There is a flag flying from his country. It doesn’t matter one bit.
Has he?
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I can't be bothered to deliver a webinar on the British Empire but look it up.
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THIS.
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Next up banning China Girl by Bowie.And Chinese Way by Level 42
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This has become a right China Crisis.
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I can't be bothered to deliver a webinar on the British Empire but look it up.
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THIS.
A bit patronising and pompous but you don’t have to thanks very much. I’m sure most of us at least have a rudimentary knowledge of the atrocities committed by the British in the pursuit of empire. Does that make the China stuff okay though?
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Next up banning China Girl by Bowie.And Chinese Way by Level 42
Yeah cos Bowie and Mark King execute people for their organs inbetween encores.
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Bono does. Allegedly.
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Next up banning China Girl by Bowie.And Chinese Way by Level 42
Yeah cos Bowie and Mark King execute people for their organs inbetween encores.
Sorry,you're wrong there.They didn't.
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Next up banning China Girl by Bowie.And Chinese Way by Level 42
Yeah cos Bowie and Mark King execute people for their organs inbetween encores.
Sorry,you're wrong there.They didn't.
How very droll
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
I get where you are coming from but maybe this will help.
Dr.X is a businessman he has nothing to do with his government's actions. He is proud to be Chinese. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of Russians are patriots as well who have no love for Putin, the majority of USA citizens hate everything Trump and his voters stand for but love their country.
Sometimes you have to distinguish between the government and the country you know?
edit: Anyway not trying to belittle your concerns, just trying to hopefully help give you a way of looking at things so you dont ruin your enjoyment of Villa with the flag there. Hope it helps.
No they don't, otherwise he wouldn't have been elected 12 months ago!
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Next up banning China Girl by Bowie.And Chinese Way by Level 42
Yeah cos Bowie and Mark King execute people for their organs inbetween encores.
Sorry,you're wrong there.They didn't.
How very droll
How very patronising your stance is
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Next up banning China Girl by Bowie.And Chinese Way by Level 42
Yeah cos Bowie and Mark King execute people for their organs inbetween encores.
Sorry,you're wrong there.They didn't.
How very droll
How very patronising your stance is
Patronising how? I just thought we were having a joke about Bowie and Level 42?
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I’ve just noticed the national flag of China is flying over the HDE Stand. Anyone else uncomfortable with this?
Not really, but if someone feels the need to clamber up and burn the fkr, crack on!! ;)
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Snowflake generation....
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
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Also I’m 52... so not really in the ‘snowflake generation’ demographic.
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
Have you anything constructive to say?
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Snowflake generation....
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Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
Have you anything constructive to say?
It's just a flag.
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Snowflake generation....
It's a flag.
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
Have you anything constructive to say?
Obviously not
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It seems an odd thing to be perturbed about. In the grand scheme of things, it seems utterly irrelevant on just about every level I can think of.
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Snowflake generation....
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Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
Have you anything constructive to say?
It's just a flag.
Really..?
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
Example of patronising
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Also I’m 52... so not really in the ‘snowflake generation’ demographic.
Mention of age and descriptive single 'speech marks'=patronising
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It seems an odd thing to be perturbed about. In the grand scheme of things, it seems utterly irrelevant on just about every level I can think of.
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The flag is symbolic of something though isn’t it? When Man City had Sinawatra as owner we called them Human Rights FC and laughed at them when he was ousted. We’d be uncomfortable if Abramovich owned us despite the millions he would bring with him. Russian interference in western elections is truly shocking and Abramovich is implicated by association. Enough people on here are offended enough by Terry to spit bile every time his name is mentioned for previous adulterous, violent and racist incident in his life. And yet we’re happy for the flag of an oppressive state to fly above our comfortable and safe liberal institution.
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
Example of patronising
Snowflake is patronising. Back at ya
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Snowflake generation....
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Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
Have you anything constructive to say?
It's just a flag.
Really..?
Yup. It's his company, his stadium.
If he wants to stick an ISIS flag on there, it's pretty much his call.
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Also I’m 52... so not really in the ‘snowflake generation’ demographic.
Mention of age and descriptive single 'speech marks'=patronising
Er... no.
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
Example of patronising
Snowflake is patronising. Back at ya
Back at who?
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Snowflake generation....
).
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
Have you anything constructive to say?
It's just a flag.
Really..?
Yup. It's his company, his stadium.
If he wants to stick an ISIS flag on there, it's pretty much his call.
That’s a very good point. I wonder what the flag threshold would be?
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
Example of patronising
Snowflake is patronising. Back at ya
Back at who?
Er... you maybe?
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It seems an odd thing to be perturbed about. In the grand scheme of things, it seems utterly irrelevant on just about every level I can think of.
It's just a hunch but I think his missus might have some pretty strong views on subliminal messages in children's stories.
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
I get where you are coming from but maybe this will help.
Dr.X is a businessman he has nothing to do with his government's actions. He is proud to be Chinese. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of Russians are patriots as well who have no love for Putin, the majority of USA citizens hate everything Trump and his voters stand for but love their country.
Sometimes you have to distinguish between the government and the country you know?
edit: Anyway not trying to belittle your concerns, just trying to hopefully help give you a way of looking at things so you dont ruin your enjoyment of Villa with the flag there. Hope it helps.
No they don't, otherwise he wouldn't have been elected 12 months ago!
You might want to check the popular vote count, BC54!
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It seems an odd thing to be perturbed about. In the grand scheme of things, it seems utterly irrelevant on just about every level I can think of.
It's just a hunch but I think his missus might have some pretty strong views on subliminal messages in children's stories.
Ha ha. You’ve obviously never met my missus. But keep going with the lazy stereotypes.
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
Example of patronising
Snowflake is patronising. Back at ya
Back at who?
Er... you maybe?
Are you really 52?
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Snowflake generation....
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
Example of patronising
Snowflake is patronising. Back at ya
Back at who?
Er... you maybe?
Are you really 52?
Your Mum
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sod the Chinese flag
what happened to the "oh it must be it is" banner at the witton end
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Let's leave it there, people.
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It was fun while it lasted-
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I can't be bothered to deliver a webinar on the British Empire but look it up.
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THIS.
A bit patronising and pompous but you don’t have to thanks very much. I’m sure most of us at least have a rudimentary knowledge of the atrocities committed by the British in the pursuit of empire. Does that make the China stuff okay though?
The flag represents the country, i.e. the people, rather than the government. That's if you think that these things are important, which they obviously aren't.
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leave it where
on top of the hde stand
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Sorry, hadn't seen the above.
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I've heard that every time Tony visits he brings some bricks, soil, seats etc. It won't be long before the stadium, car parks and pitch were made in China.
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sod the Chinese flag
what happened to the "oh it must be it is" banner at the witton end
Has it gone? I haven’t noticed.
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I've mentioned it before on here and have to say I'm a little uncomfortable about it because although our owner is Chinese we are not a Chinese club and there are certain associations with that flag and country that are not agreeable.
That said, I don't get too worked up about it in all honesty.
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It's literally been there from the first game last season.
How is this new?!
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I'll start worrying when they hand out little red books as we enter the ground.
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I’ve just noticed the national flag of China is flying over the HDE Stand. Anyone else uncomfortable with this?
May be you should look properly next time you are at VP as it's been there a long time and I don't think anybody should be "uncomfortable" with that. Our owner is from China and proudly displays his heritage and I welcome it. If you also care to look around the City you will fine most multi-national businesses display the flag of their origin and that's great.
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Snowflake generation....
).
Ah... the current default insult. What’s ‘snowflake’ about having a discussion about current affairs? Or did you just learn that phrase from the comments section in the Mail Online?
ah... the current default insult. I'm Guardian reader thanks.
Have you anything constructive to say?
It's just a flag.
Really..?
Yup. It's his company, his stadium.
If he wants to stick an ISIS flag on there, it's pretty much his call.
Well, since we're at war with ISIS and not with China i think there's a big difference there but agreed the it's his company and stadium and if he want to put his country's flag up fair enough. I would prefer a Villa flag myself though.
EDIT: Or better still a flag with a picture of Albert Adomah's grinning mug on.
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sod the Chinese flag
what happened to the "oh it must be it is" banner at the witton end
That's the only reason I'm reading this crappy thread.
Saves me making a new one up
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Zero democracy, global state sponsored hacking, espionage, near summary executions, detention without trial, repression of ethnic groups and religious freedom, human rights violations. Need I go on? Considering the outcry when John Terry signed, I’m surprised the moral majority on HandV aren’t extremely concerned.
If that's your issue, surely the time to get upset is when the Chinese guy buys the club, not afterwards when he sticks his country's flag on the roof?
Well not really. I can accept that the funding to buy Villa came via China through the global economy. Do any of us really know where our money comes from? Your bank or your investments? Your iPad or your clothing? I think that flying the flag of a murderous repressive regime however over Villa Park is beyond the pale.
I get where you are coming from but maybe this will help.
Dr.X is a businessman he has nothing to do with his government's actions. He is proud to be Chinese. Nothing wrong with that. Lots of Russians are patriots as well who have no love for Putin, the majority of USA citizens hate everything Trump and his voters stand for but love their country.
Sometimes you have to distinguish between the government and the country you know?
edit: Anyway not trying to belittle your concerns, just trying to hopefully help give you a way of looking at things so you dont ruin your enjoyment of Villa with the flag there. Hope it helps.
No they don't, otherwise he wouldn't have been elected 12 months ago!
You might want to check the popular vote count, BC54!
I stand corrected, SE. Embarrassed as I was actually in the US last Oct/Nov!
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It's sad to be saying this, but since any nation's flag has the capacity to offend at least someone, perhaps it is for the best if none are flown.
(I was going to suggest just a "Villa" flag, but this being H&V it would provoke 136 pages on the correct Pantone shade of claret and blue, whether stripes are too-Albion, the ferocity/cuddliness of the lion and whether or not 'Prepared' should appear - and, if so, in which font.)
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I’ve just noticed the national flag of China is flying over the HDE Stand. Anyone else uncomfortable with this?
May be you should look properly next time you are at VP as it's been there a long time and I don't think anybody should be "uncomfortable" with that. Our owner is from China and proudly displays his heritage and I welcome it. If you also care to look around the City you will fine most multi-national businesses display the flag of their origin and that's great.
That isn't the same though as our origin isn't in China. Unless it is an international match then I don't really think there is any need for a national flag to be flying over a sports stadium anyway, but I just find it a little uncomfortable to see the club associated in such a way with a country with a questionable record on certain issues. It would have been the same if a Lerner had flown the Stars and Stripes over Villa Park during his tenure here as well.
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Take a knee.
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There are already Villa flags flying on the stand. I'm sure there was an American flag on there when Lerner was in charge. The British Empire has a fairly dubious record, particularly with regard to China. Nobody cares about the Union Jack on there, though. Only mentallists from backwards countries like North Korea, Northern Ireland and America care about flags.
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There are already Villa flags flying on the stand. I'm sure there was an American flag on there when Lerner was in charge. The British Empire has a fairly dubious record, particularly with regard to China. Nobody cares about the Union Jack on there, though. Only mentallists from backwards countries like North Korea, Northern Ireland and America care about flags.
So why’s it up there then? Is Tony a mentalist from a backward country?
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I'd imagine he thinks that it'll help spread the name of Aston Villa in China while also promoting his business interests in the UK. Good luck to him on both fronts.
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I'd imagine he thinks that it'll help spread the name of Aston Villa in China while also promoting his business interests in the UK. Good luck to him on both fronts.
Not quite sure how having a Chinese flag on one of our stands that won't even be seen on TV is going to help promote the club in China. As I said earlier, it's a minor issue though really and I'm far more concerned with what is happening on the pitch.
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I know it was initially suggested in jest, but can I endorse the idea of banning Level 42?
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As I mentioned earlier, many Villa fans would gleefully bedeck the bars/streets/stadiums of other countries with the England/Union flag were we to have a game abroad. And would be mightily miffed if told it was unacceptable. I don't see how Tony's flag is any different.*
*Please don't come back with China's human rights record. The British have plenty of previous in this department.
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It's sad to be saying this, but since any nation's flag has the capacity to offend at least someone, perhaps it is for the best if none are flown.
Or we could stop being so damn precious and get on with life. If you banned everything that had the capacity to offend someone we'd all be hermits.
Bringing another thread and this together, all children's fairy tales would be banned immediately for a start.
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I suspect that over the next few years we will be glad that our (Union) flag will be 'flown' on/over as many products and services as possible in China as we enter the fantasy, milk and honey land being determined by the reckless incompetents 'negotiating' post-Brexit Britain - as we join (along with its only member on the planet, so far: mighty Mauritania) WTO-rules Narnia.
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As I mentioned earlier, many Villa fans would gleefully bedeck the bars/streets/stadiums of other countries with the England/Union flag were we to have a game abroad. And would be mightily miffed if told it was unacceptable. I don't see how Tony's flag is any different.*
*Please don't come back with China's human rights record. The British have plenty of previous in this department.
But you make the point succinctly - Britain's human rights abuse is indeed previous whereas China's is current.
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Recon is a private company and Dr Xia is a private citizen. They aren’t responsible for the actions of the Chinese government.
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As I mentioned earlier, many Villa fans would gleefully bedeck the bars/streets/stadiums of other countries with the England/Union flag were we to have a game abroad. And would be mightily miffed if told it was unacceptable. I don't see how Tony's flag is any different.*
*Please don't come back with China's human rights record. The British have plenty of previous in this department.
But you make the point succinctly - Britain's human rights abuse is indeed previous whereas China's is current.
The UK is clearly a country that takes human rights seriously and cannot be compared with China. However... (https://www.amnesty.org/en/countries/europe-and-central-asia/united-kingdom/report-united-kingdom/)
One would hope that China moves on and abandons its more unsavoury practices, just as we did.
I'm not bothered about Tone flying his flag. Did Randy fly one? Those Yanks have got quite a bit to answer for too.
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I find the idea of collective guilt abhorrent. It's where he's from, it doesn't mean that he's responsible for the death of twenty, thirty, forty-odd million people.
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There was a stars and stripes over Villa Park in Randy's tenure. No idea if it was there all the time but I remember being more than a bit uneasy about it. That was because flags/colours bother me to a degree. I won't go into the full reasons why as they are ill-thought out, contradictory and invite some typical responses. That said, I'm not overly happy with being reminded the club is the sole preserve of one man. The flag is just a representation of that to me, but if everything is fine on and off the pitch I don't let it bother me in the slightest.
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so if he were English and displayed the flag of St George above the stadium that would piss people off too? Time to start a new virtue signalling thread.
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It could be Scottish or French as long as we win promotion
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A white flag has flown over our home for too long. The flag of our Spanish friends Athletico Bilbao would be good.
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They won't be friends for long if you insist on calling them "Spanish"!
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They won't be friends for long if you insist on calling them "Spanish"!
Or Athletico.
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We should have the EU flag representing our membership of the European Union up there too.
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They won't be friends for long if you insist on calling them "Spanish"!
Or Athletico.
Didn't even spot that...
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He should buy himself his own tartan, then we're sorted
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so if he were English and displayed the flag of St George above the stadium that would piss people off too? Time to start a new virtue signalling thread.
Virtue signalling? Another buzz phrase that, like snowflake, is used when what you really mean is you don’t agree with someone.
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So you're a mind reader as well are you? PS you're wrong, by the way, but you didn't need me to tell you that, did you?
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So you're a mind reader as well are you? PS you're wrong, by the way, but you didn't need me to tell you that, did you?
What a bizarre response.
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Is Bilbao in Spain? Yes. Is there an 'o' on the end of Athletic? No. My bad.
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I think he meant it should be Atletico. Not that I think it really matters in this case should I be accused of virtue signalling...
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I meant the club followed by those large numbers of fans with whom many of us became friends home and away when we played them. What is an O between friends?
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I think he meant it should be Atletico.
Nope - Athletic Bilbao and Atlético Madrid.
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Is Bilbao in Spain? Yes. Is there an 'o' on the end of Athletic? No. My bad.
They consider themselves Basque, not Spanish. They get very offended at being called Spanish.
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I believe Athletic (and for that matter Milan - not "Milano", and quite a few others) were founded by British ex-pats, hence the name.
Grasshoppers is another example.
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Is Bilbao in Spain? Yes. Is there an 'o' on the end of Athletic? No. My bad.
They consider themselves Basque, not Spanish. They get very offended at being called Spanish.
I like basques...............oh, sorry, wrong thread
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I believe Athletic (and for that matter Milan - not "Milano", and quite a few others) were founded by British ex-pats, hence the name.
Grasshoppers is another example.
There are teemz