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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: liam on April 25, 2016, 01:03:33 PM
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I sat there on Saturday with my kids and the 11 year old said there never going to get any better while we keep booing are they... I explained that the booing only really started once relegation became obvious. However I do wonder when we draw the line in the sand and move on - 1 home game left where most of Villa Park would like to see us get a result and drag the opposistion down as well.
Has the point been made?
Are we starting to look a little small time by the booing of the names before kick off?
In the 30 years I've been going down I can't remember it like this and although teams have been booed, never before kick off.
Just think personally its worth moving forward now looking towards next season - wonder how many others feel the same?
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3 more games to boo them mercilessly. It should stop after the final whistle at Arsenal.
As for "small time", the only positive comments I've received recently about us from non-Villa fans have been about how our fans have protested in these last few weeks and how impressed they are with Villa fans.. Fuck this current team, make them squirm on the pitch for the next 3 games. It's the only time they are ever forced to listen to Villa fans.
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I do
There was a point in the first half that Bacuna picked up the ball and was roundly boo'd. He then went on a little run into the opposition area and was roundly cheered for his efforts. It would have been interesting what would have happened if he had scored!!!
I actually think the players have got the message now (even if the Manager has not) and I think it is fair game to shout and boo at them when they leave the field - but not during.
I must admit if I got the stick Lescott and Guzan got during the game I would be terrified to even want the ball for fear of a mistake
It is clearly effecting their performance
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I tend to agree; the booing, the signs, the paper planes - it all has a detrimental effect on whats going on the pitch.
However, people are pissed off and there is nothing positive about the team, management and the board. In fact the only ounce of good news that has come out of VP of late was Rudy feeding the homeless. Its a difficult one. I hope that if it does happen against Newcastle then this will be its the final hoorah (or boo).
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I agree with what you're saying. However, there's just too much damage been done with some players for there to ever be any form of reconciliation.
Fingers crossed, they won't be wearing Villa shirts come August and we will have a team who want to play for the shirt and we can get behind.
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3 more games to boo them mercilessly. It should stop after the final whistle at Arsenal.
As for "small time", the only positive comments I've received recently about us from non-Villa fans have been about how our fans have protested in these last few weeks and how impressed they are with Villa fans.. Fuck this current team, make them squirm on the pitch for the next 3 games. It's the only time they are ever forced to listen to Villa fans.
Chico
I get your point but I don't think it is right. I want us to win against the Barcodes so have to try and support them
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I don't think it does make us look 'small time' at all, as Chico says the Villa support is the only thing about the club that gets any positives in the press, on TV, radio etc. The support has been tremendous this season and some of the gallows humour and way of showing our displeasure has been well received by supporters of other clubs.
As soon as the stadium clears at the Emirates that's when to stop but the last three games should be spent letting the owner and usual suspects know how highly thought of they are, there's a very good chance none of them will be at the club by the time next season starts.
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I must admit if I got the stick Lescott and Guzan got during the game I would be terrified to even want the ball for fear of a mistake
It is clearly effecting their performance
Guzan's appeared terrified of receiving the ball for a couple of years.
Lescott can't get near enough to the ball to have that worry
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I'm going to the last three games to boo them incessantly.
There are two things that would make me stop:
1. The current lot put in the amount of effort expected of a top-flight footballer earning tens of thousands a week.
2. The manager starts picking the kids, who actually want to fight for the shirt.
In either case, they could expect 110% support. Until then, f*cking boooooo!
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I think that the crowd will be more behind the players for the Newcastle game** because of the general hilarity of possibly relegating them again.
(**at least until someone cocks up again)
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Majority of the senior players are shite and a disgrace.
Take the example of Kevin Toner, roundly applauded everytime he touched the ball.
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I'm going to the last three games to boo them incessantly.
There are two things that would make me stop:
1. The current lot put in the amount of effort expected of a top-flight footballer earning tens of thousands a week.
2. The manager starts picking the kids, who actually want to fight for the shirt.
In either case, they could expect 110% support. Until then, f*cking boooooo!
I think if some kids were picked the atmosphere and encouragement would be really good.
We just want to feel that the team is making some friggin' effort.
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I think if we get an new manager in before the season-end then the abuse should stop. New leaf, and we don't what the toxicity continuing into next season.
Other than that, carry on giving it to those that deserve it for their sloth, negligent performances, opening their gobs/twitter accounts or any mix of the above.
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The U21s are still in the play-offs. Its probably more important for them to see that through than be involved in the demise of the first XI
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I will continue to boo the fuck out of this rancid bag of shite for as long as they persist in not giving a fuck. The complete lack of effort from the likes of Lescott, Richards and that fool Bacuna was there for all to see on the weekend again, so they continued to get abuse they deserve from me.
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Whatever happens this season, the booing and protests must end on the last game. We need to go into next season with a sense of unity otherwise we'll be picked off by every bunch of scrotes that comes to Villa Park..
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This is not better fan than yow.
Match days I drive from Cambridge to South London. My son drives from South London to wherever the game is being played. After the game the journey is reversed. We have seen them win three times since the Liverpool semi final. I think that gives me the right to boo the usual suspects and to cheer until my lungs burst the young players who are our future.
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I am sure it will give Newcastle a great deal of pleasure, regardless of how much those on the pitch actually deserve it.
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I think it's fair enough, they've been absolutely awful. I think booing Bacuna is a little unfair though personally.
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any grown man who wants to sound like a retarted cow crack on but you sound fucking pathetic .
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any grown man who wants to sound like a retarted cow crack on but you sound fucking pathetic .
Look's like Joleon has left his phone unlocked in his pocket again.
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It wont stop until we have a good clear out in the summer , We may be puzzled by Eric Blacks line ups but i understand. These clowns he keeps picking are the ones who got us in this mess and the ones who let the club down time and time again, Eric knows this , so picks them so we can give them the abuse they deserve. Why should they have the easy option of not playing , we are down , it doest matter. I am sure Eric would have picked Gabby on Saturday if he wasnt suspended , only for the fact they he would get the abuse he deserves , but what i dont understand , why doesnt he pick n zogbia , he deserves shed loads of stick and abuse too.
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3 more games to boo them mercilessly. It should stop after the final whistle at Arsenal.
As for "small time", the only positive comments I've received recently about us from non-Villa fans have been about how our fans have protested in these last few weeks and how impressed they are with Villa fans.. Fuck this current team, make them squirm on the pitch for the next 3 games. It's the only time they are ever forced to listen to Villa fans.
Make who squirm ?...Lyden, Green, Toner, Gestede, Clarke,Ayew ? , oh yes , lets submit those guys to the unrelenting vindictiveness of the baying hordes.
Let´s make no mistake, other´s deserve all they get but clearly, apart from a few notable exceptions , the self confidence of most of the team is at rock bottom .....and sinking . Is that what we want ?, to jeer our own Team until winning becomes nye on impossible?.
I have no doubt that at the end of the season , the more culpable ( Gabby, Guzan, Lescote , Richards, N´Zogbia et al ) all will be dumped . I´m not advocating a rousing cheer, even I know that´s too much to ask of our long suffering Fans but the vitriolic booing has gone on long enough and I thoroughly commiserate with Liam and those like him, who take their kids to games and have to explain to them how´mob mentality´ works ( or not) . And why is it our fans are so great...away from home?!.
It´s over,the milk is spilled .....time to mop up & move on..........Godzvilla!
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conman i do understand to a point but once the crowd turns its hard to get it back and i fear for next year if we have a bad start
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I was a little taken aback by the booing on Saturday although I admit I joined in with the "Weight off your shoulders" chant as I thought it was quite witty.
I do want us to beat the barcodes though. There's a Newcastle fan at work who is taking the piss.
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3 more games to boo them mercilessly. It should stop after the final whistle at Arsenal.
As for "small time", the only positive comments I've received recently about us from non-Villa fans have been about how our fans have protested in these last few weeks and how impressed they are with Villa fans.. Fuck this current team, make them squirm on the pitch for the next 3 games. It's the only time they are ever forced to listen to Villa fans.
Make who squirm ?...Lyden, Green, Toner, Gestede, Clarke,Ayew ? , oh yes , lets submit those guys to the unrelenting vindictiveness of the baying hordes.
Let´s make no mistake, other´s deserve all they get but clearly, apart from a few notable exceptions , the self confidence of most of the team is at rock bottom .....and sinking . Is that what we want ?, to jeer our own Team until winning becomes nye on impossible?.
I have no doubt that at the end of the season , the more culpable ( Gabby, Guzan, Lescote , Richards, N´Zogbia et al ) all will be dumped . I´m not advocating a rousing cheer, even I know that´s too much to ask of our long suffering Fans but the vitriolic booing has gone on long enough and I thoroughly commiserate with Liam and those like him, who take their kids to games and have to explain to them how´mob mentality´ works ( or not) . And why is it our fans are so great...away from home?!.
It´s over,the milk is spilled .....time to mop up & move on..........Godzvilla!
Our fans are great ....away from home....... The self deprecating humour has been a feature of our away support for a few years now....... and there have been several occasions when it's turned toxic. Millwall probably being the best example I can think of. The stick the team got at the end of that game would have made a kid's ears bleed...... then there was Wycombe...
And I fully understand what Liam's going through..... I can't drag my kids to Villa games any more.....I'll boo this bunch of wasters all I Like.......
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For the likes of Richard/ Lescott' bacuna etc. then they deserve 'it. If they were dropped and It carried on it would be wrong. The manager knows how to make it stop! Its not hardf see who its aimed at is it!
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Don't have any problem with booing some of the names when they are read out.
It's a natural enough reaction to this season and the idiocy displayed by some of our lot. Not just on the pitch,but their completely delusional comments off it.
Personally, I'd like to see something of an amnesty when they game actually starts though. At least until Bacuna makes his weekly phuck up. If I thought it would get Lescott and Bacuna dropped, I might bend. But Black is as seemingly delusional as them and will keep them in the team regardless by the looks of it.
I care very little about the current crop, but potential players looking at the club in the future might have a look at some of the crowd reactions in the last few weeks and give us the swerve. They'd have plenty of other reasons to give us the swerve too, of course.
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One of the big problems, which has in all fairness been eloquently expressed at one time or another on other threads is that for some five seasons now we have been witnessing poor performances (particularly at home) and the collective patience of the fans (up until the last month or so) has been that of a Saint.
For 2015/2016 we have seen truly shocking performances and a host of P.R. and other gaffes that have been almost as bad as the some of the errors out there on the pitch and understandably the patience has cracked and five years of pent up frustration is being unleashed on a group of players that in all honesty should not even be out on the pitch but are having to almost take responsibility for everything that has happened over this longer period.
There does need to be a point when the booing stops and one would desperately hope that many of the members of the current squad that have played poorly will move on (to the MLS more than likely).
The only way I can see any refrain is (a) We start winning games (possible but not that likely) (b) That there is a major increase in effort and engergy from some of the players (possible but I suspect we will still lose or (c) Perhaps the players might like to donate a notional £20k each to a fund to subsidise supporter trips or ticket prices next season.
The way in which the team have conducted themselves on the pitch (and for some of them off it as well) this season has been appalling but I do agree that is must be awful for them to play at present when what ever they do is deemed to be wrong (normally because it is).
Guzan for instance did not have a bad game on Saturday or at Old Trafford but is still subject to cat calls etc. I will be glad when he leaves and would not want him as first team keeper but at present we need to use him till the end of the season.
I think we should get behind the team for the Newcastle home game but there should not be a lap of honour under any circumstances and to be blunt the team should not be clapped off at the end of the game (unless they win).
If the fans can create a wall of positive sound in the final home game and leave off the criticism until the moment the game finishes then that would be ideal; one of the problems of course has been that the type of unfathomable errors committed by some of our established players so frequently makes it almost impossible not to shout any criticism.
The reality is that many of the players we have should not really be out on the pitch in the first place and as has been pointed out by opposition fans regularly "thats why we are going down."
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To suggest the booing is going to stop under this regime, with this manger playing those players is unrealistic.
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according to Stan Collymore we have 23 wins in the last 3 years and people want to know when the booing stops even when we have cheered these lot have still been shite
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any grown man who wants to sound like a retarted cow crack on but you sound fucking pathetic .
What is a 'retarted' cow? Is it a bit like mutton dressed as lamb in bovine form.
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its a grown man making stupid noises that you would smack the back of your kids legs if they was doing it at home ffs.
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its a grown man making stupid noises that you would smack the back of your kids legs if they was doing it at home ffs.
Sounds more like some blinged up cow.
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its a grown man making stupid noises that you would smack the back of your kids legs if they was doing it at home ffs.
Didn't you once say...
What a fucking bunch of shitcunts of the highest order they have not one bit of intergrity for our club . So fuck the lot of em and just give them both barrels
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things have got out of hand though im more worried about next year we will still have the useless shitcunts here next season.
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The danger of not boo-ing is that some of the wastrels might think that there is a way back. There isn't, they need to know it and bugger off.
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you tell me who are going to buy these shower of shit players we are stuck with them what will you do next year still boo them thats the point im trying to make .
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you tell me who are going to buy these shower of shit players we are stuck with them what will you do next year still boo them thats the point im trying to make .
And the point others are making is that if working life is made unpleasant for them, then they might make a bigger effort to get away.
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cant leave if no fucker will sign them.
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If people stop booing them do you think other clubs won't notice how crap they are?
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so if they are here next year are you going to still boo them.?
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They won't be, in the unlikely event of them still being at the club only once we're relegated.
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you tell me who are going to buy these shower of shit players we are stuck with them what will you do next year still boo them thats the point im trying to make .
And the point others are making is that if working life is made unpleasant for them, then they might make a bigger effort to get away.
We will need some players next year and I can tell you this much, there is no prospect of us signing an entire squad of 20 or so players this summer. It's time for people to start accepting what has happened and rebuilding some form of relationship with the players, some of whom we will be relying on next year whether you like it or not.
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exactly my point you watch next year if gabby is still here and he scores a few they will be singing his name from the holte end football fans are fickle as fuck .
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exactly my point you watch next year if gabby is still here and he scores a few they will be singing his name from the holte end football fans are fickle as fuck .
I think the phrase 'scores a few' is the main error in that statement.
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exactly my point you watch next year if gabby is still here and he scores a few they will be singing his name from the holte end football fans are fickle as fuck .
If Gabby 'scored a few' it would mark a remarkable upturn in form, and suggest that maybe it took the booing to move his arse.
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Lescott for one was making noises about staying on in the 1st Division, I hope he's clear on what we think of that now.
I understand that it will be difficult to integrate 10-15 new players into the squad next year but if the alternative is watching these wankers again then lets do it.
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I think Gabby is beyond redemption, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hutton, Cissoko, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Grealish, Sinclair and Gestede all end up having some role to play. I'm not saying I would keep them all, but I think replacing an entire squad is totally unrealistic.
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Lescott for one was making noises about staying on in the 1st Division, I hope he's clear on what we think of that now.
I understand that it will be difficult to integrate 10-15 new players into the squad next year but if the alternative is watching these wankers again then lets do it.
At the expense of another relegation? Personally I would prefer the new manager to decide who he wants to work with, not the fans.
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I can only speak for myself but the risks of relegation would be far reduced with a new set of players. With this lot the losing mentality is so ingrained I wouldn't be surprised.
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exactly my point you watch next year if gabby is still here and he scores a few they will be singing his name from the holte end football fans are fickle as fuck .
I think the phrase 'scores a few' is the main error in that statement.
Depends on if you're talking goals at VP, women on Broad Street or canisters of N2O from Sheik Djibouti in some 27 star Dubai hotel.
I think if you take that list in reverse order you're probably not too far out.
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I think Gabby is beyond redemption, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hutton, Cissoko, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Grealish, Sinclair and Gestede all end up having some role to play. I'm not saying I would keep them all, but I think replacing an entire squad is totally unrealistic.
None of whom were boo-ed on Saturday.
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I think Gabby is beyond redemption, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hutton, Cissoko, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Grealish, Sinclair and Gestede all end up having some role to play. I'm not saying I would keep them all, but I think replacing an entire squad is totally unrealistic.
I wouldn't have a problem with most of those players being at the club next season
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...hopefully not when the bass solo begins.
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There might be new target anyway if Black continues being a complete twat. He might take a boo or two away from the famous 5.
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Few, if any, of the current squad have any credit in the bank.
They have let us down massively over the last couple of years with the obvious result this year.
I don't see anything that makes me feel they should be supported and encouraged yet. Especially when the vast majority of the team have been so chronically bad.
And, lets face it, every single one of those players who started on Saturday would gladly walk away in the summer if there was someone stupid enough to come in for them.
We owe them fuck all.
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I do
There was a point in the first half that Bacuna picked up the ball and was roundly boo'd. He then went on a little run into the opposition area and was roundly cheered for his efforts. It would have been interesting what would have happened if he had scored!!!
I actually think the players have got the message now (even if the Manager has not) and I think it is fair game to shout and boo at them when they leave the field - but not during.
I must admit if I got the stick Lescott and Guzan got during the game I would be terrified to even want the ball for fear of a mistake
It is clearly effecting their performance
I'm not so sure about that we haven't been booing Lescott all season yet his performance levels are the same now as they were before we started booing him.
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We need to get to the end of the season so all of the noise stops. On the field, in the stands, in the media and off the pitch. We need a little bit of calm where critical non football decisions can be made. Also, when our relegation can take second place to others winning things, and other teams being the focus of relegation.
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I think Gabby is beyond redemption, but I wouldn't be surprised if Hutton, Cissoko, Clark, Westwood, Sanchez, Grealish, Sinclair and Gestede all end up having some role to play. I'm not saying I would keep them all, but I think replacing an entire squad is totally unrealistic.
None of whom were boo-ed on Saturday.
But the atmosphere is toxic and it is effecting them all whether you think it is or not. Certainly it wont be encouraging the better players to hang around and give it their best shot next year. The best thing that could happen now is some positivity behind the team and an improvement in the atmosphere to firstly give us some hope of beating Newcastle and secondly to put us on a better foot for summer transfer negotiations and next season. So, support the players you want to stay or accept will probably have to stay rather than boo the ones you don't.
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I've got at least 4 years of booing left in me.
Payback!!!!
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I've got at least 4 years of booing left in me.
Payback!!!!
We might have another four years of bad performances yet
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Let's just boo in the 74th minute then
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I've got at least 4 years of booing left in me.
Payback!!!!
At the price of any remote hope of beating Newcastle? Retaining any of our better players? Hope you enjoy your payback, but whilst you are having you fun bear in mind it can't possibly be anything other than counter productive. The point has already been made loud and clear.
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I've got at least 4 years of booing left in me.
Payback!!!!
At the price of any remote hope of beating Newcastle? Retaining any of our better players? Hope you enjoy your payback, but whilst you are having you fun bear in mind it can't possibly be anything other than counter productive. The point has already been made loud and clear.
This season is the worst I can remember, it’s so unbelievably bad that a win against the Geordies won’t make a blind bit of difference to me. It would be like a last Rolo nestled on top of a pile of dog shit. There are problems at this club way beyond the players but they are accountable for a hell of a lot and if there’s a toxic atmosphere, well, they made their bed’s….
I like booing. It’s fun, it’s simple, it's easily audible and it’s not foul language or vulgar. It shows en masse our discontent for the pathetic attitudes and appalling professionalism of some of our so called players. And for their part it’s easy to make us stop... just put some effort in and stop being dickheads off the pitch.
I'm a selective boo-er only doling it out to those who deserve it the most but if those on the receiving end perform well, then I'll applaud and cheer them too. But they have got a lot of work to do to re-set those scales this season. I also think that no matter what vitriol they get at the last final whistle this season, they'll more than likely receive a cheer before the first kick off of the next. It's then up to them to stay in the cheers based on the very simple rules outlined above.
Booing is just pantomime, I find it cathartic. I'd like to use it more in everyday life. I think it would make me a calmer saner person, no more ranting and raving. Just think about it... Bad service in a restaurant "BOOOO!". Being cut up on the road "BOOOO!". Boss or client being unreasonable "BOOOO!". Your train home is cancelled "BOOOO!". The dog shitting in the lounge "BOOOO!". Overpaid prima donna footballers disgracing your beloved club "BOOOO, BOOOO, BOOOO!!!!”
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things have got out of hand though im more worried about next year we will still have the useless shitcunts here next season.
So you wanted fans to boo when there was still a chance of staying up, but not now that we're down?
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If I had any money I would wager that all those being booed will not play for the club next season. Guzan, Lescott, Bacuna and I presume Richards got at least a little bit of stick will all go and I think the booing will have played a tiny part in that (even if it's minuscule) so I'm glad it's happening. I don't think Gabby will play for us again either even though I wish he would so he could get the treatment.
That's therefore not asking for 15 new players based on just those being booed. The problem is trying to convince the others who aren't as shit to stay.
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things have got out of hand though im more worried about next year we will still have the useless shitcunts here next season.
So you wanted fans to boo when there was still a chance of staying up, but not now that we're down?
That's what I don't get, giving the "shitcunts both barrels" was encouraged when there was still an outside chance we could stay up but booing them is detrimental when we've been relegated.
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things have got out of hand though im more worried about next year we will still have the useless shitcunts here next season.
So you wanted fans to boo when there was still a chance of staying up, but not now that we're down?
That's what I don't get, giving the "shitcunts both barrels" was encouraged when there was still an outside chance we could stay up but booing them is detrimental when we've been relegated.
Maybe the barrels he means are the ones in the quality street or roses (whichever one it is)?
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Notwithstanding the whole ''football isn't theatre, entertainment/satisfaction is not guaranteed'' maxim, if there was analysis of season ticket-holders done among all clubs in the world determining cost per home goal/win since the first full season this decade, 2010/11, I reckon we would be rock-bottom or close to it. Paddy-last out of thousands and thousands of clubs.
Add in the many other Villa fans who go to most games, and the rest of us who can't but don't suffer any less watching from afar (I actually find it easier to accept a bad defeat/performance when I see us at VP, for some reason), the fact that the current crop of eejits who represent us on the pitch are getting a bit of boo-ing, ironic cheers and a few dozen paper aeroplanes flown within 50 metres of them is pretty mild in the grand scheme of things. They don't deserve our support or our derision but our indifference. Which is what we've largely got from both the players and the board these past six years.
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
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If I had any money I would wager that all those being booed will not play for the club next season. Guzan, Lescott, Bacuna and I presume Richards got at least a little bit of stick will all go and I think the booing will have played a tiny part in that (even if it's minuscule) so I'm glad it's happening. I don't think Gabby will play for us again either even though I wish he would so he could get the treatment.
That's therefore not asking for 15 new players based on just those being booed. The problem is trying to convince the others who aren't as shit to stay.
This is partly my point. I don't think the ongoing toxic atmosphere is going to help our case here at all.
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport. If you don't think confidence has anything to do with performance, then I can only guess you have never played sport at any level. Do you think the current atmosphere may not be effecting their confidence at all? Yes, I know they've been shit all season, but the booing and atmosphere could very well have influenced these exact moments you refer to.
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Not denigrating anyone who boos, but there is something in me that just cannot boo a player wearing the claret and Blue,it just feels wrong.
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What's the excuse for the other sh@te performances?
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I think the question should be, "when does the club start caring about football again?"
Booing is a direct result of the clubs stupidity. When that stops so does the booing. Pretty simple.
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Not denigrating anyone who boos, but there is something in me that just cannot boo a player wearing the claret and Blue,it just feels wrong.
I don't either but after this season I can't knock anyone that does.
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport. If you don't think confidence has anything to do with performance, then I can only guess you have never played sport at any level. Do you think the current atmosphere may not be effecting their confidence at all? Yes, I know they've been shit all season, but the booing and atmosphere could very well have influenced these exact moments you refer to.
Thanks ChrisW for your valued opinion, I actually played football for 40 years and making an assumption like you have I would be making myself look a fool. There have been numerous instances that I could have picked from games from the beginning of the season where the players were not being booed yet the mistakes were still there.
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Not denigrating anyone who boos, but there is something in me that just cannot boo a player wearing the claret and Blue,it just feels wrong.
Me neither.
Mind you, I can't boo anyone of any team - all those years as a primary school headteacher!
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport. If you don't think confidence has anything to do with performance, then I can only guess you have never played sport at any level. Do you think the current atmosphere may not be effecting their confidence at all? Yes, I know they've been shit all season, but the booing and atmosphere could very well have influenced these exact moments you refer to.
Thanks ChrisW for your valued opinion, I actually played football for 40 years and making an assumption like you have I would be making myself look a fool. There have been numerous instances that I could have picked from games from the beginning of the season where the players were not being booed yet the mistakes were still there.
It was a reasonable assumption given you don't seem to be able to join the dots between confidence and performance. We all know they have been poor all season, but however you want to dress it up the ongoing booing will be further impacting on already frail confidence and can only be counter productive. Of course having paid your money you have the right to boo and if you enjoy it then so be it. But don't try to pretend that it isn't having a negative impact on the team, because it is.
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I thought it was rather telling of how the Villa supporters judge the players at the Chelsea game. Hutton, despite his lack of quality when sent off was applauded by those in the Trinity Road. They've had a season of 45 minutes to see him close up and recognise he's a player that will always give his all for the club.
We hear so much about the Spurs/West Ham/Liverpool 'way' of playing football, I'd say the 'Villa way', something we not only expect but demand is for the players to give 110% which is why this lazy mob are getting and fully deserve pelters. If we're to stand a chance of surviving next season, nevermind getting promoted, we'll need a team that can give it their all. It's the least we expect.
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport. If you don't think confidence has anything to do with performance, then I can only guess you have never played sport at any level. Do you think the current atmosphere may not be effecting their confidence at all? Yes, I know they've been shit all season, but the booing and atmosphere could very well have influenced these exact moments you refer to.
Thanks ChrisW for your valued opinion, I actually played football for 40 years and making an assumption like you have I would be making myself look a fool. There have been numerous instances that I could have picked from games from the beginning of the season where the players were not being booed yet the mistakes were still there.
It was a reasonable assumption given you don't seem to be able to join the dots between confidence and performance. We all know they have been poor all season, but however you want to dress it up the ongoing booing will be further impacting on already frail confidence and can only be counter productive. Of course having paid your money you have the right to boo and if you enjoy it then so be it. But don't try to pretend that it isn't having a negative impact on the team, because it is.
It really is a bollocks assumption, Alan Hutton may not be the greatest player, he makes mistakes but he tries, he doesn't get booed. Try joining the dots and figure out why. I just wish I was as naive as you appear to be in thinking these guys lack confidence.
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport. If you don't think confidence has anything to do with performance, then I can only guess you have never played sport at any level. Do you think the current atmosphere may not be effecting their confidence at all? Yes, I know they've been shit all season, but the booing and atmosphere could very well have influenced these exact moments you refer to.
Thanks ChrisW for your valued opinion, I actually played football for 40 years and making an assumption like you have I would be making myself look a fool. There have been numerous instances that I could have picked from games from the beginning of the season where the players were not being booed yet the mistakes were still there.
It was a reasonable assumption given you don't seem to be able to join the dots between confidence and performance. We all know they have been poor all season, but however you want to dress it up the ongoing booing will be further impacting on already frail confidence and can only be counter productive. Of course having paid your money you have the right to boo and if you enjoy it then so be it. But don't try to pretend that it isn't having a negative impact on the team, because it is.
Could you not argue it's a resonable assumption to say that if the mistakes and poor performance were there in the first place, it's pointless booing them as it has nil effect?
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The booing and the pantomime atmosphere came a long time after the abysmal performances - the players had already given up before a plane was thrown. The crowd has taken so much shit football over the years that something had to give. We're not Villa boo boys, we're not fickle, we've just had enough of under par performances on and off the pitch.
The players can turn the crowd but they need to put some fucking effort in first.
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport. If you don't think confidence has anything to do with performance, then I can only guess you have never played sport at any level. Do you think the current atmosphere may not be effecting their confidence at all? Yes, I know they've been shit all season, but the booing and atmosphere could very well have influenced these exact moments you refer to.
Thanks ChrisW for your valued opinion, I actually played football for 40 years and making an assumption like you have I would be making myself look a fool. There have been numerous instances that I could have picked from games from the beginning of the season where the players were not being booed yet the mistakes were still there.
It was a reasonable assumption given you don't seem to be able to join the dots between confidence and performance. We all know they have been poor all season, but however you want to dress it up the ongoing booing will be further impacting on already frail confidence and can only be counter productive. Of course having paid your money you have the right to boo and if you enjoy it then so be it. But don't try to pretend that it isn't having a negative impact on the team, because it is.
The booing is a reaction to the performances not a reason for them.
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Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport.
If only we had three wise men and a saviour.
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Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport.
If only we had three wise men and a saviour.
It will happen when we get a new manger
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Booing Richards didn't cause him to leap for the ball and miss it completely, it didn't stop Lescott tracking Long who moved five yards off his back to score the first, it didn't cause Guzan to treat the ball like a red hot potato and it didn't cause Bacuna to hit a ball from near the halfway line with no hope of it reaching our box. It could be that the players are just crap but more likely it's because they don't give a shit. If I pay for a meal and it's crap I complain, the only way these twats know I'm not happy with what they are doing is to abuse them loudly.
Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport. If you don't think confidence has anything to do with performance, then I can only guess you have never played sport at any level. Do you think the current atmosphere may not be effecting their confidence at all? Yes, I know they've been shit all season, but the booing and atmosphere could very well have influenced these exact moments you refer to.
Thanks ChrisW for your valued opinion, I actually played football for 40 years and making an assumption like you have I would be making myself look a fool. There have been numerous instances that I could have picked from games from the beginning of the season where the players were not being booed yet the mistakes were still there.
It was a reasonable assumption given you don't seem to be able to join the dots between confidence and performance. We all know they have been poor all season, but however you want to dress it up the ongoing booing will be further impacting on already frail confidence and can only be counter productive. Of course having paid your money you have the right to boo and if you enjoy it then so be it. But don't try to pretend that it isn't having a negative impact on the team, because it is.
The booing is a reaction to the performances not a reason for them.
So when Black is reluctant to play the kids because of the toxic atmosphere (as he has gone on record as saying) - is that counter productive?
Is it not abundantly clear the players confidence is shot? Is the atmosphere not exacerbating that?
Are the team more or less likely to play well against Newcastle if the fans get behind them?
Is Ayew more or less likely to want to stay next year when he sees the ongoing bitter atmosphere?
This isn't rocket science here.
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Us Villa fans have been patient beyond words for years.
Things have snapped now due to blatant and crass behaviour by the certain players.
What are we expected to do when professional footballers have little or no respect for us.
It's got poisonous now because Eric Black continues to put these people out on the pitch.
For me the booing stops if he leaves these people out, puts youngsters in and in turn injects some enthusiasm and passion at Villa Park. Don't care if we lose 0-10 I just don't want to see Bacuna's smug ugly face on a Saturday afternoon thank you.
I don't buy the you're damaging younger players. Frankly it's balls. I don't see Kevin Toner or Andre Green wetting themselves under the pressure.
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Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport.
If only we had three wise men and a saviour.
It will happen when we get a new manger
Very good. I am on h&v in these dark days and I am laughing!
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I heard a myrrh-myrrh it might be Pearson.
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Drop the wankers, play the kids, and you won't hear another boo at Villa Park this season.
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Based on an objective analysis of the situation on the ground and the way it is most likely to develop, I would say that the booing will not stop any time soon.
If anything, it will get much worse until it reaches crescendo levels. There will be hell to pay, as they say.
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I don't boo, I just tut and shake my head - which really cuts through the players and destroys their confidence. Lescott even turned and looked in my direction after the first goal on Saturday as if to say "what the fuck?".
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Us Villa fans have been patient beyond words for years.
Things have snapped now due to blatant and crass behaviour by the certain players.
What are we expected to do when professional footballers have little or no respect for us.
It's got poisonous now because Eric Black continues to put these people out on the pitch.
For me the booing stops if he leaves these people out, puts youngsters in and in turn injects some enthusiasm and passion at Villa Park. Don't care if we lose 0-10 I just don't want to see Bacuna's smug ugly face on a Saturday afternoon thank you.
I don't buy the you're damaging younger players. Frankly it's balls. I don't see Kevin Toner or Andre Green wetting themselves under the pressure.
Im with you
the fans would be behind the kids
especially If there was 11 of them
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Should end at the end of the season.
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These spineless bastards deserve to know what we think of them. We've put up with absolute shit from them all season.
The booing will stop after the Newcaatle game. I'm looking forward to a bloody good day out at Arsenal.
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I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.
When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.
Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.
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If Black does not understand why the fans are booing and those players that it is directed at, he should go and find out. If he knows already and is making believe by his comments that he does not know, he is making the situation worse with the fans.
For me and probably most of the fans, there are 5 or 6 players that there should be no reconciliation with and they should be sold/given away/paid off. There is no way back. In a club you always get one player that the fans have a go at and I would not condone fans trying to hound an individual out. When there are so many, it undermines the fans support and something must be done about it.
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I said on another thread, change the team, change the atmosphere. There is one man keeping the boos going, that's Eric fucking black. Put out a team of graduates, b team players who may be of use next year and the few first teamers still holding some credit like Hutton or Gueye and the atmosphere and crowd would turn in an instant. It wouldn't matter if we lost, we just need a team to get behind. I would love to see villa park packed out for the last game, 43k fans, ticker tape, beach balls, non stop chants and the roar of the Holte End. Show these fuckers on and off the pitch what it means to be villa. Show the rest of the league what they will miss next year.
And show the board, if you do things right, we will still pack out this stadium. Even better that it's a dead rubber game for us...
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Keep the same squad that have got us into this shit, boo the fuck out of them during the Newcastle game. Turn Villa Park poisonous for them and let there be no doubt how we feel about them
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I said on another thread, change the team, change the atmosphere. There is one man keeping the boos going, that's Eric fucking black. Put out a team of graduates, b team players who may be of use next year and the few first teamers still holding some credit like Hutton or Gueye and the atmosphere and crowd would turn in an instant. It wouldn't matter if we lost, we just need a team to get behind. I would love to see villa park packed out for the last game, 43k fans, ticker tape, beach balls, non stop chants and the roar of the Holte End. Show these fuckers on and off the pitch what it means to be villa. Show the rest of the league what they will miss next year.
And show the board, if you do things right, we will still pack out this stadium. Even better that it's a dead rubber game for us...
You mean give the supporters something they would support. No, it will never catch on.
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Final whistle against Newcastle i expect. I'm assuming there will be no lap of appreciation.
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Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now.
I don't see any sulking and looking at the shit we've put up with over the years we have been very stoical and no need to "grow a pair", unless the SKY cameras manage to find a load of adult Villa fans crying at the final match. I do see and hear a lot of justified anger and at times excellent piss taking though.
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It wont stop with this current bunch. They.ve shown lack of respect and contempt for our club and now are receiving it back.
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Leandro Bacuna offers nothing in this team.
He can't tackle.
He doesn't track.
He's not positive in possession.
He constantly, annoyingly takes the easy pass option.
He can't cross a football.
He can't take set pieces.
He has no passion.
He has no drive.
He has no desire.
He's not just a kid anymore.
He's not digging his teammates out when mistakes are made. (mind you who is apart from us)
He's one of the more experienced members of the squad yet he takes little or no responsibility in the team.
He can't do press interviews. How about saying " it's a flattering thought, but I'm contracted to Aston Villa Football Club. It's an honour to play for them."
He's stealing a living out of one of the most famous football clubs on the planet.
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I've got at least 4 years of booing left in me.
Payback!!!!
At the price of any remote hope of beating Newcastle? Retaining any of our better players? Hope you enjoy your payback, but whilst you are having you fun bear in mind it can't possibly be anything other than counter productive. The point has already been made loud and clear.
I'll take a leap in the dark and say that was at least partly tongue in cheek.
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Shows your utter nativity when it comes to sport.
If only we had three wise men and a saviour.
We found 3 wise men, but two had a major falling out with the man upstairs (or should that be downstairs) and f##ked off. It wouldn't have been too bad, but they must have waltzed off with the Frankincense and Myrrh, as there's a nasty smell about the place again and we all know that there's no gold to be had anywhere near the man up/downstairs.
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Not sure where to reference this, but as pointed out on another thread the aggregate score of our last six home games is 4-21. I'm really not sure how much worse it could get if the main boo-ing targets were (rightly) dropped.
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The issue being is that it is a number of players who have badly let us down - I give you:
Jolean Lescott - is standing accused of bad timing, stating that he is a boyhood Villa fan and seemingly doesn't really care a damn about where we are today.
Micah Richards - who appears to simply want to have a punch up a game. No coincidence that no other English team were that interested in signing him.
Bacuna - must be special needs if he really considers himself capable of playing in the champions league. Vauxhall Conference would stretch him.
Guzan - not quite sure why everyone is so down on him - No he is not good enough but neither is Hutton.
I hope the players brought in for 2016/2017 realise just how lucky they are being able to wear the Claret and Blue of the Villa.
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I've got at least 4 years of booing left in me.
Payback!!!!
At the price of any remote hope of beating Newcastle? Retaining any of our better players? Hope you enjoy your payback, but whilst you are having you fun bear in mind it can't possibly be anything other than counter productive. The point has already been made loud and clear.
I'll take a leap in the dark and say that was at least partly tongue in cheek.
Sort of trying to put it in the context of how long we have had to suffer the visual abuse of watching these twats compared to how short a time they have been booed!
Even I couldn't actually boo for four years...
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I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.
When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.
Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.
I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.
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I think that the crowd will be more behind the players for the Newcastle game** because of the general hilarity of possibly relegating them again.
(**at least until someone cocks up again)
I hope so, I have close friends that are Sunderland fans, my pathetic season will have meaning if we pull them down with us.
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The issue being is that it is a number of players who have badly let us down - I give you:
Jolean Lescott - is standing accused of bad timing, stating that he is a boyhood Villa fan and seemingly doesn't really care a damn about where we are today.
Micah Richards - who appears to simply want to have a punch up a game. No coincidence that no other English team were that interested in signing him.
Bacuna - must be special needs if he really considers himself capable of playing in the champions league. Vauxhall Conference would stretch him.
Guzan - not quite sure why everyone is so down on him - No he is not good enough but neither is Hutton.
I hope the players brought in for 2016/2017 realise just how lucky they are being able to wear the Claret and Blue of the Villa.
Not sure the 'special needs' comment is necessary really.
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I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.
When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.
Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.
I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.
RE the Champions League thing, I suspect it's the same as the Okore interview from a couple of months back. He wasn't pitching himself for a move to Madrid or Turin. He was asked if he thought he could make the change. It's a question you can't really say no to without making yourself look like someone with no drive or ambition, which I would guess are not usually the characteristics prospective clubs rate highly.
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I said on another thread, change the team, change the atmosphere. There is one man keeping the boos going, that's Eric fucking black. Put out a team of graduates, b team players who may be of use next year and the few first teamers still holding some credit like Hutton or Gueye and the atmosphere and crowd would turn in an instant. It wouldn't matter if we lost, we just need a team to get behind. I would love to see villa park packed out for the last game, 43k fans, ticker tape, beach balls, non stop chants and the roar of the Holte End. Show these fuckers on and off the pitch what it means to be villa. Show the rest of the league what they will miss next year.
And show the board, if you do things right, we will still pack out this stadium. Even better that it's a dead rubber game for us...
But how does that work? Change the team and we lose 6-0 you going home happy and relieved that the team has been changed? Its unrealistic and no manager worth their salt would do it. It is arguable, of course, that certain players should be picked but Black is trying to solidify, protect, and do what he thinks is the right thing. After Lerner, Sherwood, Gabby, N'Zogbia, Richards, Garde's strop, Okore refusing to play, Black isn't the one who should be being attacked.
We may not like the players that are being picked but Black has very little choice.
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Is 6-0 worse than 4-0 or 6-0 or 4-2?
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it's worse than 4-2, definitely worse than 4-0 unless the 6-0 is against Barcelona and the 4-0 Small heath, and no, its about the same as a 6-0.
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So you're saying that the inclusion of maybe 2 or 3 players would result in a meltdown of the team?
I'm going to have to disagree.
Green, Traore, Gil or Adama for Bacuna?
Richardson would have played on Satutday if fit.
Black is putting Bacuna and Richardson ahead of these four for a start and thats not on for me.
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I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.
When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.
Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.
I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.
Sorry, but have you two actually been watching him this season? He's a fucking lazy disgraceful player who simply cannot be bothered because he thinks he's better than he is, hence the twattish comments about playing in the champs league. Shameful effort put in on several occasions this season. He is a sum of the parts, arguably, alongside Agbonlahor and Richards as the architects of our downfall. A crap, lazy arse of a footballer who has assisted in making people redundant.
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I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.
When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.
Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.
I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.
Sorry, but have you two actually been watching him this season? He's a fucking lazy disgraceful player who simply cannot be bothered because he thinks he's better than he is, hence the twattish comments about playing in the champs league. Shameful effort put in on several occasions this season. He is a sum of the parts, arguably, alongside Agbonlahor and Richards as the architects of our downfall. A crap, lazy arse of a footballer who has assisted in making people redundant.
Yes, i've seen him this season and in all honesty, he's been no worse than any of the others. One or two aside, they've all been crap.
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Not in a meltdown, no, but there's been no evidence from the season that we've seen that Gil would make the slightest difference. Adama has looked nothing more than just fast and although I personally would like to see him even when fit he hasn't been a first pick for previous managers. maybe his fitness, seeming ease with which he gets injuries, or something from the training pitch has dictated his selection so far. that he hasn't played isn't something that can be hung around Black's neck as his albatross. Green? maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's not ready, maybe he's waiting for an away game, maybe it was him or Ayew and Black fancied Ayew. As for richardson, yeah, he's not good enough, but the point is none of them are. That's why we're bottom with 16 points. Not because of Eric Black and his team selections.
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The board, the managers and the players have not found themselves able over the course of several season to identify and achieve what is an appropriate level of effort and performance at Aston Villa.
In this vacuum the fans are setting the bar. The players, manager and board have dropped below that level and therefore are hearing about it. I would hope that by the new season there will be the structure and players in place to set the bench mark from what level of effort and performance is acceptable. Then the fans can get back to enjoying a game of football for the first time in ages.
We're Aston Villa, the club and players have let us down, but our standards of expectation as fans cannot drop any lower.
Booooooooooo
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'some' of the players. Unfortunately its not only those that hear or are affected by the booing.
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Not in a meltdown, no, but there's been no evidence from the season that we've seen that Gil would make the slightest difference. Adama has looked nothing more than just fast and although I personally would like to see him even when fit he hasn't been a first pick for previous managers. maybe his fitness, seeming ease with which he gets injuries, or something from the training pitch has dictated his selection so far. that he hasn't played isn't something that can be hung around Black's neck as his albatross. Green? maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's not ready, maybe he's waiting for an away game, maybe it was him or Ayew and Black fancied Ayew. As for richardson, yeah, he's not good enough, but the point is none of them are. That's why we're bottom with 16 points. Not because of Eric Black and his team selections.
No, that's not why we're bottom, but we're talking about the booing here. People are booing precisely because of Eric Black and his team selections. That's unarguable, that's what people are saying throughout this thread. You make some good points, it's a difficult situation Black is in but I really think it's become so toxic now that he has to remove the targets from the firing line. He must surely be able to see that their presence is the reason for the aggro, he can't just keep picking the players who are being booed and then complain about the amount of booing. If he wants an end to the booing it should be obvious what he has to do. It's not as if any of them are justifying their places in the team anyway; as others have said, the results can hardly get any worse.
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I'd say none of the players have lived up to the level of performance or effort required. But there's a whole spectrum of brown within that.
I was curled up with flu on Sat so watched the game on the net. I would say the booing and everything else was fairly specific. There's nothing over the course of the season to suggest the players are too affected by the boos. Cheer them = their crap, stay quiet = their crap, boo them = well you get the idea.
If people find it cathartic, good for them. It also voices that what has passed and is still happening is unacceptable. Might help the club clear the blockage and flush a few turds, particularly if some of the bigger ones are made less than welcome.
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It's all worthwhile, however I'd be amazed if any single player gave a flying fuck. I mean, they didn't care less before we got relegated so I'd imagine it's worse now. Sheer contempt.
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I think a clear out is coming anyway. that is inevitable. You want a positive atmosphere for kids to try and come into (forgetting that our kids may not be any good anyway) then the booing must stop. Or be very limited at best.
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New season, new start?
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We can't and won't be booing them next season. That said, if I hear the words 'Number 7 Leandro Bacuna' over the tannoy after May I think I may go on a rampage.
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Definitely. But I want it to start now. Saturday 3pm at Watford. fuck Troy Deeney, fuck Watford, let's go down with a bit of proud in who we are. They're the clowns not us, go down with us trying to urge the useless clowns on. Not lampooning them or booing them constantly before and during the game.
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New season, new start?
Oh definitely for me.
I'm renewing and its clean slate time.
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We've got to find 25 wins from somewhere at least.
I'm looking forward to a re energized and powerful team with a winning mentality.
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Not in a meltdown, no, but there's been no evidence from the season that we've seen that Gil would make the slightest difference. Adama has looked nothing more than just fast and although I personally would like to see him even when fit he hasn't been a first pick for previous managers. maybe his fitness, seeming ease with which he gets injuries, or something from the training pitch has dictated his selection so far. that he hasn't played isn't something that can be hung around Black's neck as his albatross. Green? maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's not ready, maybe he's waiting for an away game, maybe it was him or Ayew and Black fancied Ayew. As for richardson, yeah, he's not good enough, but the point is none of them are. That's why we're bottom with 16 points. Not because of Eric Black and his team selections.
The point being is he hasn't tried anything different, he's picking a side that is getting regularly stuffed and then next week picking a near identical one. He's done the seemingly impossible and made a shit team worse.
I am sick of turning up week after week and watching the type of mistakes and footballing cowardice that would get mocked in an under 13 game. If getting some stick after that upsets them then perhaps they should look for another career or console themselves with photos of their cars.
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We've got to find 25 wins from somewhere at least.
I'm looking forward to a re energized and powerful team with a winning mentality.
25 wins. In one season??
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He's not helping his cause by making changes like Ayew for Gestede with 30 mins left. I honestly think that he left Bacuna on for his own safety!
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he took over a team at the bottom who were woeful. He took over a team that the crowd had turned on. He had to deal with Gabby, and did, Okore, and did, Clark has been injured when he hasn't been playing very poorly so has had to rely on Lescott and Richards. Not ideal but inevitable. Drop Bacuna for who - Gil has been awful and lightweight, veretout looked promising for a spell but has dropped off alarmingly, Sanchez was injured and playing worse than ever when he returned, Adama injured but not trusted when fit, Grealish injured and mostly out of form, Sinclair poor for the majority of the season, Ayew the best of a bad bunch but let's be fair he's hardly set the world alight apart from the odd flash of brilliance and effort, Gana has run about with the ball with no end product, Gestede has been out of his depth, and the argument is that Black has made the team worse? No he hasn't. they're shit anyway. Why drop poor performers just to throw in even worse performers. He's looking at performances in training, attitude, and those that look like they have the bottle to face up to the crowd even when it's them being booed.
It's not Black that's the problem.
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I would guess we'd settle for anyone - and I mean anyone - other than that utter arsehole Bacuna.
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haterz gonna hate
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For real, for real
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I think we should stop for Newcastle game so we can enjoy the new owner's first game and relegate Newcastle on the same day.
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Its developed a life of its own and is turning the whole season into a complete Pantomime now, in some quarters - whether you agree with this or not - we are being seen as part of the problem, i would prefer the Newcastle game to be played out in Funereal silence with a Complete walk-out before the end. I am a bit concerned with how all this negativity is playing out in the minds of any prospective new owners.
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We've got to find 25 wins from somewhere at least.
I'm looking forward to a re energized and powerful team with a winning mentality.
25 wins. In one season??
In one lifetime would be nice just lately.
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I think we should stop for Newcastle game so we can enjoy the new owner's first game and relegate Newcastle on the same day.
No, you dont want that, if Newcastle come down with us they will almost certainly be looking for a new manager as well and will be a big threat to any chance we have of challenging for promotion next year.
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Its developed a life of its own and is turning the whole season into a complete Pantomime now, in some quarters - whether you agree with this or not - we are being seen as part of the problem, i would prefer the Newcastle game to be played out in Funereal silence with a Complete walk-out before the end. I am a bit concerned with how all this negativity is playing out in the minds of any prospective new owners.
prospective owners, managers and players.
It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere. Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating. But you've paid your money so carry on if you want. But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.
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It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere. Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating. But you've paid your money so carry on if you want. But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.
It is targeted booing - every young player who has appeared on the pitch has been cheered - every decent run has been cheered - if the booing effects them then the cheering should as well - the booing will stop at the end of this season.
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It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere. Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating. But you've paid your money so carry on if you want. But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.
It is targeted booing - every young player who has appeared on the pitch has been cheered - every decent run has been cheered - if the booing effects them then the cheering should as well - the booing will stop at the end of this season.
I am not sure any player who we might be thinking of signing will see this quite the same way. They won't see the level of detail you can see. They aren't necessarily going to look at what our fans are doing and think they'd be OK here because they're not an arsehole. They will think this is how we treat players on a poor run of form. For a player outside the club, I'd say we look pretty demanding and unforgiving at the moment. Outsiders don't follow the whole story as closely as we do - just look at the 'foreign mercenaries' narrative playing out across the media for evidence of that.
Us, and a few pundits who look close enough, can see who we are singling out & why. Whether a new owner/manager/player would watch and listen to what went on on Saturday and think this is somewhere they would love to be, to is quite another matter.
I accept that some people find it 'fun' and 'cathartic', but I am equally sure that I'm not the only one who doesn't. Despite the team's more than obvious shortcomings (in talent and effort), it actually isn't them that are currently making me think twice about whether I want to go to the match at the moment. It's the toxic atmosphere that does that.
The right to boo seems somehow enshrined in football law, but it isn't as easy as 'You support how you want to and I'll support how I want to' - Whether I like it or not, I support my team in the atmosphere created by other people, and I really don't like it, and the sooner it changes the better for me.
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It has been commented all round how toxic the atmosphere is. Black has gone on record to say he is worried about chucking the kids into that atmosphere. Peter W is quite right, you think it is targeted booing - this is bollocks, it is effecting everyone.It has become self perpetuating. But you've paid your money so carry on if you want. But don't kid yourself that you are not making matters worse, because the simple fact is you are.
It is targeted booing - every young player who has appeared on the pitch has been cheered - every decent run has been cheered - if the booing effects them then the cheering should as well - the booing will stop at the end of this season.
Targeted booing? Tell that to Eric Black who has said he has concerns about throwing young players into that atmosphere. Tell that to Jordan Ayew and other players we may want or need to keep who are probably;y thinking 'fuck this I can't wait to get away from this lot.' Tell this to prospective owners who may be thinking I don't fancy working with those fans. Tell this to prospective managers who may be having second thoughts. Tell this to potential new players who may be thinking bloody hell I don't fancy that place. Tell this to the players on the field who are already bereft of confidence and are scared to touch the ball.
You may think it is targeted but the reality is that it effects the atmosphere as a whole. At best it is achieving nothing - the message was made loud and clear some time ago- and at worst is damaging the club. As I said, fuck it, carry on as you've paid your money and obviously you know best. But stop kidding yourself about this - you are doing no favours to the team or club.
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There should be a crescendo of boos as we approach the final whistle against newscastle. We should boo every villa player when they are on the ball, apart from any youth player making an appearance, we should cheer them.
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Thanks Amfy, you probably expressed it better than me.
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There should be a crescendo of boos as we approach the final whistle against newscastle. We should boo every villa player when they are on the ball, apart from any youth player making an appearance, we should cheer them.
To achieve what FFS?
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3 more games to boo them mercilessly. It should stop after the final whistle at Arsenal.
As for "small time", the only positive comments I've received recently about us from non-Villa fans have been about how our fans have protested in these last few weeks and how impressed they are with Villa fans.. Fuck this current team, make them squirm on the pitch for the next 3 games. It's the only time they are ever forced to listen to Villa fans.
Chico
I get your point but I don't think it is right. I want us to win against the Barcodes so have to try and support them
things could be very interesting at the Newcastle game, but only if we still have a chance of bringing them down with us, which at this stage looks as though a villa win or a draw could contribute, whether or not it relegates them on the day. I'd expect the players to still get dogs abuse before the match, but I reckon the crowd will get behind them at kick off if it means contributing to more Geordie tears on the Tyne. You wouldn't put it past the players to lose on purpose though if it meant denying us that one bit of pleasure this season, after the stick that's been given them the last few weeks.
Looking at the wider picture in that match. Newcastle will be giving us heaps after we took the piss last time, but a Villa win could mean we have the last laugh.
If this one's on Fox Sports I might even stay up to watch it.
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3 more games to boo them mercilessly. It should stop after the final whistle at Arsenal.
As for "small time", the only positive comments I've received recently about us from non-Villa fans have been about how our fans have protested in these last few weeks and how impressed they are with Villa fans.. Fuck this current team, make them squirm on the pitch for the next 3 games. It's the only time they are ever forced to listen to Villa fans.
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I get your point but I don't think it is right. I want us to win against the Barcodes so have to try and support them
things could be very interesting at the Newcastle game, but only if we still have a chance of bringing them down with us, which at this stage looks as though a villa win or a draw could contribute, whether or not it relegates them on the day. I'd expect the players to still get dogs abuse before the match, but I reckon the crowd will get behind them at kick off if it means contributing to more Geordie tears on the Tyne. You wouldn't put it past the players to lose on purpose though if it meant denying us that one bit of pleasure this season, after the stick that's been given them the last few weeks.
Looking at the wider picture in that match. Newcastle will be giving us heaps after we took the piss last time, but a Villa win could mean we have the last laugh.
If this one's on Fox Sports I might even stay up to watch it.
That's a piont seeing Geordie inbreds crying would be the only be of pleasure from this season. Can we rely on this team to let us down of course we can. We should see how It goes, if by magic villa are winning, we should save the crescendo of boos till the end. The crescendo of boos should start from the holte end and work round to the Witton lane, North stand, Trinity.
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You sound like you're here on the wind-up, mate. I won't speculate as to whether you're a nose or a bitter baggy, as I believe it may be against the site rules.
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Just cos someone has a different view don't mean they small heath or Sadwell.
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What are you hoping to achieve with your beautifully choreographed crescendo of boos? Do you not think the team have already got the message?
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How can we be pretty demanding? how many games have we won how many negatives has this bunch set? I think our supporters are very supportive it's only when we can see the players don't play for the shirt and don't give a toss for the club that we get a teeny little upset.
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What are you hoping to achieve with your beautifully choreographed crescendo of boos? Do you not think the team have already got the message?
they have really got the massage haven't they? Pick thousands a week, by shaming aston villa. They probably laugh at us.
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Not in a meltdown, no, but there's been no evidence from the season that we've seen that Gil would make the slightest difference. Adama has looked nothing more than just fast and although I personally would like to see him even when fit he hasn't been a first pick for previous managers. maybe his fitness, seeming ease with which he gets injuries, or something from the training pitch has dictated his selection so far. that he hasn't played isn't something that can be hung around Black's neck as his albatross. Green? maybe, maybe not. Maybe he's not ready, maybe he's waiting for an away game, maybe it was him or Ayew and Black fancied Ayew. As for richardson, yeah, he's not good enough, but the point is none of them are. That's why we're bottom with 16 points. Not because of Eric Black and his team selections.
But PW its no coincidence that the players that are being boo'ed and the ones im suggesting being taken out are also our worst performers. He seems hell bent on keeping the same side but they have been getting panned for weeks. I dont see what we can lose by changing it;
Guzan - Bunn really was no worse than him earlier in the season. Maybe not as good technically but Guzan is shot of confidence, that counts for more than talent where keepers are concerned
Lescott - The guy is in mental and physical pieces, was responsible for 2 goals last weekend. Okore has since fell out with Black but should have been in for the Chelsea game, 100%.
Richards - Again, absolutely littered with mistakes last game. Toner should be given a chance. People talk about not damaging the youngsters, Fuck that...He should be in. Donacien is also well thought of.
Bacuna - You discredit people like Traore and Gil but again, he is shot of confidence and single handedly cost us a goal. Traore, Green or Grealish literally could do no worse.
My point isnt that this lot should be dropped because of the Boos alone, it is combined with the fact they are all woefully out of form and confidence. Nothing you say can convince me we will take more of a hiding with the replacement players in.
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To be honest, I'd be more worried if the booing stopped while the team is still shit. It would demonstrate that the fans have finally reached a state of indifference to the club's plight and that's more toxic than booing in my opinion.
And as for players not wanting to sign for a club with "restless" fans, I bet that won't stop Arsenal signing a few big names in the summer, despite the boos ringing out at every home game these last few weeks. Players want to play for good teams who pay good money.
Whatever the situation is at Villa, it's not the fans' fault, they are merely reacting the shit that the players, managers and owner have dropped us in.
I'm looking forward to experiencing a bit more of the fans' Dunkirk spirit at Watford on Saturday, assuming we actually make it out of the pub and into the ground
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
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I love how all of a sudden the atmosphere is affecting the poor players.
Was it affecting them in a positive way when they were getting roundly supported for the first 2/3 of the season?
They couldn't give a fuck.
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Just cos someone has a different view don't mean they small heath or Sadwell.
no you're right it doesn't, but in fairness you've only posted 11 times, mostly to do with booing the players from what I've read. You were pretty quiet when we were in the FA cup final end of last season.
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
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I think we should stop for Newcastle game so we can enjoy the new owner's first game and relegate Newcastle on the same day.
No, you dont want that, if Newcastle come down with us they will almost certainly be looking for a new manager as well and will be a big threat to any chance we have of challenging for promotion next year.
I think Sunderland and Norwich would be a threat too. It's no odds to me who gets relegated with us.
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I really couldn't give a stuff about Newcastle. They stay up, they go down, who cares.
Empty stadiums and indifference are just as toxic as booing. The fans are being passionate and making a racket.
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Fair enough. I do though. They'll be looking to come to take the piss out of us, not our shitty bunch of players. And I hope we do everything possible to stop them.
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Against Newcastle the "Proud History, What Future" placards should be handed out again, and displayed on the 74th minute as this looks powerful. I don't agree with continuing the boos, at least until we're 3-0 down or something. After the final whistle then of course knock yourself out. I wonder if they are thinking of doing a "lap of appreciation"? I imagine not.
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I doubt they will. They should be made to do a walk of shame though. But they probably won't as I wouldn't bet against some loonys running on and slapping a few.
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Fair enough. I do though. They'll be looking to come to take the piss out of us, not our shitty bunch of players. And I hope we do everything possible to stop them.
If we are so utterly shit that we are the only team in the league that Newcastle fans can take the piss out of, then our players deserve to be lynched, not cheered.
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Booooooooo, Booooooooo!!
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
The team have received fantastic support, absolutely unbelievable support for 3 quarters of this season and it's done nothing to lift the team. More than that, it seems to have been thrown back in the fans' faces by several players. How could we possibly play worse?
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I really don't get what Bacuna has done wrong. He has made one unfortunate slip in a Dutch interview when we do not really know the context in which he made his comments and it has to be remembered Ajax are an absolute massive institution in Holland. The interview may have been drawing an answer from a young kid to a question he needn't have answered. Again, its all about the context. But who is Bacuna got to learn from at Villa? Who are the wiser calm heads? Bacuna's problem is his lack of confidence. Yes, he isn't brilliant by any means and is out of his depth at this level but he is a kid finding his feet who of course believes in his ability.
When we were tearing into Tottenham at White Hart Lane for 10 minutes he was instrumental in getting tha going. He was superb for half an hour at Sunderland until their goal and then fell apart. He's a kid, with limited ability for the Premier League, he said a maybe innocent thing, who does try his hardest every week, who's confidence is shot. We shouldn't be booing him. We should try and give him as much of a boost by supporting him as possible. Him and all the others who aren't the piss takers. Bacuna isn't one of the piss takers.
Enough is enough with the booing. It stops being funny, it stops justified, it stops being Aston Villa. We as fans need to grow a pair and stop sulking now. We know who the guilty ones are and its not at best mediocre young players out of their depth, but those that are cheating us.
I couldn't agree more. So he said he wants to play in the Champions League one day. So what? If we're booing players for that then it's ridiculous.
He didn't even say that specifically. An interviewer asked him "if you come back to the Eredivisie, would you be interested in a move to Ajax or PSV?", he said " yes".
If somebody considers that "disgraceful", I'd suggest they are being a bit over-sensitive.
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
so you are saying so called Professional footballers who earn thousands a week are Scared to touch the ball? They should be bombarded with boos If that's the case.
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Who cares if they play better now, we're relegated. We could play like Brazil circa 1970 it wouldn't make the slightest bit of difference we're down. I suspect we wouldn't even if we all did a Brazilian samba and brought along some Brazilian hotties to cheer the poor lovies on the pitch up.
Not even viagra in the pre game lucozade could get this lot performing, never mind a few cheers.
New season, new start. But until then absolute pelters.
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
I've never booed a Villa player and never will but it's very understandable with what has happened why people do. For me, this year has always been about lack of quality. There were games when we were the better team and looked in control but couldn't take simple chances and made daft errors defensively. What is noticeable in the last couple of months is that the fight has gone out of them and now the effort seems lacking in some. When players don't track back our dodgy defenders get exposed and we know the rest.
Booing players has got to affect any shreds of confidence they have surely? And it must impact on the players you don't boo. If one of the youngsters is given a game he would be wary of passing to one of the hated lot which puts a constraint on his game straight away.
Let's hope there is some positive news before the last home game then perhaps we can show the new owner what we can be like?
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Walsall Villain, all the stats show that we covered less ground than other teams - even in the first half of the season, before the club officially gave up in January. We haven't tried. That's down to the players' attitude.
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I think we should give the team a big 'thank you'.
Because of their serial ineptness we've avoided that: 'Wear-brown-trousers-staying-up-going-down-what's-that-score-through-my-earpiece?-blubbing-for-the-camera' last match farrago.
'For this relief much thanks.'
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
The team have received fantastic support, absolutely unbelievable support for 3 quarters of this season and it's done nothing to lift the team. More than that, it seems to have been thrown back in the fans' faces by several players. How could we possibly play worse?
28/10/2015 I have a clear memory of it being 10 minutes into the game at 0-0 when we started singing 'We're fucking shit'. That wasn't the first time, and it has been done all season since. So can we put to bed the sanctimonious myth of our incredibly patient support?
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
The team have received fantastic support, absolutely unbelievable support for 3 quarters of this season and it's done nothing to lift the team. More than that, it seems to have been thrown back in the fans' faces by several players. How could we possibly play worse?
28/10/2015 I have a clear memory of it being 10 minutes into the game at 0-0 when we started singing 'We're fucking shit'. That wasn't the first time, and it has been done all season since. So can we put to bed the sanctimonious myth of our incredibly patient support?
You blame the fans if it makes you happy. I'm not telling anyone how to support our team.
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
The team have received fantastic support, absolutely unbelievable support for 3 quarters of this season and it's done nothing to lift the team. More than that, it seems to have been thrown back in the fans' faces by several players. How could we possibly play worse?
28/10/2015 I have a clear memory of it being 10 minutes into the game at 0-0 when we started singing 'We're fucking shit'. That wasn't the first time, and it has been done all season since. So can we put to bed the sanctimonious myth of our incredibly patient support?
Southampton away?
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
so you are saying so called Professional footballers who earn thousands a week are Scared to touch the ball? They should be bombarded with boos If that's the case.
There are numerous cases of Entertainer´s etc who earn similar sums of money , being physically sick prior to going on stage. Nerves have no respect for salary or fame ..............Godzvilla!
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
so you are saying so called Professional footballers who earn thousands a week are Scared to touch the ball? They should be bombarded with boos If that's the case.
There are numerous cases of Entertainer´s etc who earn similar sums of money , being physically sick prior to going on stage. Nerves have no respect for salary or fame ..............Godzvilla!
Agreed. I'd file it in the same category as John Gregory's views on Stan Collymore and his depression. Money makes no difference to the mental side of the game.
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They may well be nervous, and booing may well make it worse for them. But it is lack of application that got us relegated.
After how the majority of players have played all season why should we care if they are a bit nervous now. What they have done is not good enough and it's fine to show them this with full force for a time limited period for the next few games.
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
The team have received fantastic support, absolutely unbelievable support for 3 quarters of this season and it's done nothing to lift the team. More than that, it seems to have been thrown back in the fans' faces by several players. How could we possibly play worse?
28/10/2015 I have a clear memory of it being 10 minutes into the game at 0-0 when we started singing 'We're fucking shit'. That wasn't the first time, and it has been done all season since. So can we put to bed the sanctimonious myth of our incredibly patient support?
So basically 10 or so games in to another bad run during the 6th season of continous poor form and bad runs? But were not patient? Yeah, Ok.
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Have you guys noticed that Barca and Real fans wave white hankies and continually whistle when they don't like how their teams are playing? I'm sure their players don't like it when that happens and it hasn't affected their success over the years.
If anything they probably pull their socks up as they really don't want to see the blummin hankies again.
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I hope against Newcastle black picks the same team as last week , with the addition of gabby and even nzogbia so we can boo them and give them stick too,
We need to do that as part of the healing process from this disastrous season so we can get some sort of closure
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
The team have received fantastic support, absolutely unbelievable support for 3 quarters of this season and it's done nothing to lift the team. More than that, it seems to have been thrown back in the fans' faces by several players. How could we possibly play worse?
28/10/2015 I have a clear memory of it being 10 minutes into the game at 0-0 when we started singing 'We're fucking shit'. That wasn't the first time, and it has been done all season since. So can we put to bed the sanctimonious myth of our incredibly patient support?
So basically 10 or so games in to another bad run during the 6th season of continous poor form and bad runs? But were not patient? Yeah, Ok.
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It was a League Cup game on the back of 6 straight league defeats. Bastard fickle Villa fans.
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They may well be nervous, and booing may well make it worse for them. But it is lack of application that got us relegated.
After how the majority of players have played all season why should we care if they are a bit nervous now. What they have done is not good enough and it's fine to show them this with full force for a time limited period for the next few games.
It's not the lack of application it's the general lack of ability. We're not bottom because players can't be bothered. We're bottom because we're not good enough.
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They may well be nervous, and booing may well make it worse for them. But it is lack of application that got us relegated.
After how the majority of players have played all season why should we care if they are a bit nervous now. What they have done is not good enough and it's fine to show them this with full force for a time limited period for the next few games.
It's not the lack of application it's the general lack of ability. We're not bottom because players can't be bothered. We're bottom because we're not good enough.
And we don't work hard enough. Stats will confirm that
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6 straight defeats? Is that all? Fickle sugar bags.
Someone posted some stats yesterday. 4 of our 5 worst runs of straight defeats in our history have been during the last 4 years.
Take the Lerner route of trying to downplay everyone's expectations to the point of where this is acceptable. I'll take the route of it's a bloody stain on our history and the antics of the current squad have made them despicable and unsupportable.
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They may well be nervous, and booing may well make it worse for them. But it is lack of application that got us relegated.
After how the majority of players have played all season why should we care if they are a bit nervous now. What they have done is not good enough and it's fine to show them this with full force for a time limited period for the next few games.
It's not the lack of application it's the general lack of ability. We're not bottom because players can't be bothered. We're bottom because we're not good enough.
The players have not pulled their weight. Looking at the various squads in the league at the start of the season, would you have said we had a worse squad than all the other teams? I wouldn't have.
Not top 10 but there is no way we should have been bottom 3, player application is a massive part of that.
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They may well be nervous, and booing may well make it worse for them. But it is lack of application that got us relegated.
After how the majority of players have played all season why should we care if they are a bit nervous now. What they have done is not good enough and it's fine to show them this with full force for a time limited period for the next few games.
It's not the lack of application it's the general lack of ability. We're not bottom because players can't be bothered. We're bottom because we're not good enough.
No, there have been more than enough examples, even highlighted in the media this season where players have strolled around the pitch contributing nothing. There is definitely a lack of effort in some quarters. Especially at the top.
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They may well be nervous, and booing may well make it worse for them. But it is lack of application that got us relegated.
After how the majority of players have played all season why should we care if they are a bit nervous now. What they have done is not good enough and it's fine to show them this with full force for a time limited period for the next few games.
It's not the lack of application it's the general lack of ability. We're not bottom because players can't be bothered. We're bottom because we're not good enough.
And we don't work hard enough. Stats will confirm that
I agree. But that's because they are not at a level where they have the ability to compete. That includes on fitness and stamina for the top flight.
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I'm guessing it's unlikely you'll be at VP for the Newcastle match mate, but if you are, would you really be booing the players during the game if we've still got a chance of dragging the Geordies down with us? I'm all for giving them stick when they come out, but we've much more a chance of beating Newcastle with the fans getting behind the players during the match?
I don't give a shit about Newcastle, whether they stay up or sink with us. And which of our players do you think will, after 35 games of doing absolutely nothing, suddenly make any effort if we clap them?
It would be great to win, not because of who we're playing but because we've only done it 3 times this season.
Yet you continue to advocate generating an atmosphere which makes this less likely?
You have your view, but a lot of people disagree with you, including the acting manager. It's not about payers trying harder if you clap them, it's about them not having their confidence stripped from the moment they step on the pitch (and forget all that 'targeted booing shite - it is the general negativity effecting all players). They are afraid to receive the ball, to try anything positive for fear of making mistakes etc. You are quite right that clapping them won't suddenly make them a good team. But encouragement is far more likely to contribute to a better performance than booing. Surely you can't dispute that?
The team have received fantastic support, absolutely unbelievable support for 3 quarters of this season and it's done nothing to lift the team. More than that, it seems to have been thrown back in the fans' faces by several players. How could we possibly play worse?
28/10/2015 I have a clear memory of it being 10 minutes into the game at 0-0 when we started singing 'We're fucking shit'. That wasn't the first time, and it has been done all season since. So can we put to bed the sanctimonious myth of our incredibly patient support?
So basically 10 or so games in to another bad run during the 6th season of continous poor form and bad runs? But were not patient? Yeah, Ok.
It was a League Cup game on the back of 6 straight league defeats. Bastard fickle Villa fans.
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Plus I'm pretty sure that was a game where it was tickets for £10 adults/£1 kids during the school holidays, hence our end contained a lot of 16-18 year old kids who wouldn't otherwise have gone, who probably thought it was funny and 'bantz'.
I've been at all home games in the league and a handful of aways up until Feb and can't remember hearing 'we're fucking shit' being sung once.
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I'm not blaming the fans, but pre-season we talked about how it'd take time for a team with so many changes to gel, & many of those early defeats were narrow & not the kind of abysmal half arsed performances we have seen later in the season.
I am not blaming the fans, I am saying that I find the booing unpleasant & uncomfortable and would like it to stop, and I am as entitled to an opinion as to how best to support the team as someone who wants to boo them is. (Not more, not less)
I was also responding to the notion we had been patient for 3/4 of the season, when actually we were patient for 10 games before we couldn't stay behind our team for the first 10 minutes of a game we weren't losing.
I'm not blaming the fans because I don't know whether or not it affects the players, what I am saying is that it affects me.
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Well it should have been
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Sorry Amfy was responding to the post above yours
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Over the last 5 years i'd say our support has been incredibly patient. I'm not a fan of booing from word go but can fully understand why some are doing it.
This is the 5th straight season we won't have won more than 10 games in a season. Over those 5 seasons we've peaked at 41 points, the other 4 we got less than 40. We're averaging less than 5 home wins a season in that time. We've won 22 home games in 5 years. We've broken just about every negative record in the club's history. We've been more than patient.
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I agree PWS - I think we have been overly patient especially during the lambert reign. But that doesn't mean we should allow the atmosphere to continue. its just not a nice environment to watch or play in.
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Mark & Chico, as two of the more vociferous backers of wanting the booing to continue, neither of you seem to have addressed the questions of what you hope to achieve - the message has been well and truly delivered by now - or the negative impact the atmosphere may be having on the club.
Black has stated that he is concerned about throwing youngsters into that atmosphere. That is from the horses mouth so whether you think you are 'targeted booing' or not that alone should be enough for you to realise it is having an adverse impact on the club.
It is probably having negative impact on performance, yes we know they were shit before but the comments above about confidence etc are very real. Personally I would like us to have as positive end to the season as possible as a springboard to next year. And yes, I would prefer to prevent Newcastle coming and taking the piss by taking them down with us. The atmosphere makes this almost impossible.
Add into this that the ongoing negative atmosphere must be effecting the decision making process of players we want or need to keep. Whatever you may say, we are not signing a whole new squad this summer. You are making it far more likely that our better players will want to get as far away from the club as possible and probably putting some doubt into the mind of players who may consider joining. It may also play on the mind of prospective new owners or managers who may think the situation is beyond repair.
You may think some of this is far fetched, but I have no doubt that the ongoing booing can't possibly be contributing anything positive to the club and may well be very counter productive.
I think the point has been well and truly made to the club and players. Why carry on?
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I think the point has been well and truly made to the club and players. Why carry on?
This too will pass...
It's the only thing to look forward to because the football sure as hell isn't.
Some folks are only hearing booing - what about the singing in support of our club that we in the Holte get going every game?
Reckon it will stop after Newcastle and the Arsenal game will see a party atmosphere with the fans singing their hearts out - regroup and then back to business next season
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You'll have to search through other threads for my justification, I can't be arsed to go through it again
You are making it far more likely that our better players will want to get as far away from the club as possible and probably putting some doubt into the mind of players who may consider joining. It may also play on the mind of prospective new owners or managers who may think the situation is beyond repair
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What, me? I only wish I could wield such influence on my club
Black has stated that he is concerned about throwing youngsters into that atmosphere.
He comes out with some shit don't he?
Each to their own - I won't tell you how to support Villa, you don't tell me how to.
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I agree with you it needs to stop. But for me the end of the season is when we draw a line under it.
Nobody at any level of the club has set any reasonable standard for what is acceptable this season or in previous seasons. In the meantime fans have been supportive and patient. For a relatively short period of time we are showing displeasure. To be fair this is interspersed with pro Villa singing and applause for young players like Toner.
For me there is no correct answer and I agree with some of what you have said. But if you play for Villa and you do not show crude club and fans respect in terms of how you train, play and behave off the field there has to be some sort of comeback. The fans have trusted the management to provide this for a long time patience has run thin.
As I said I wasn't there on Saturday but am fully behind those who ventrd their long term displeasure, organised protest cards, held up their moms best bed sheets and of course also sang their support with healthy choruses of songs such as 'Villa till I die.'
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You'll have to search through other threads for my justification, I can't be arsed to go through it again
You are making it far more likely that our better players will want to get as far away from the club as possible and probably putting some doubt into the mind of players who may consider joining. It may also play on the mind of prospective new owners or managers who may think the situation is beyond repair
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What, me? I only wish I could wield such influence on my club
Black has stated that he is concerned about throwing youngsters into that atmosphere.
He comes out with some shit don't he?
Each to their own - I won't tell you how to support Villa, you don't tell me how to.
I addressed you as you are one of the more vocal about it. The thread is about the ongoing crowd booing, so of course not you alone.
Black - yes maybe he does. But the fact remains based on his comments the atmosphere is impacting on his decision as to whether to bring young players in or not. So yes, it is directly effecting the team in this way.
You have chipped into a thread to defend the ongoing booing, so don't get all high and mighty about telling eachother how to support the club. If you don't want to hear reasons why some of us think it's a bad idea, then why involve yourself in the thread at all?
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I agree with you it needs to stop. But for me the end of the season is when we draw a line under it.
Exactly what I said all those pages ago. I've never booed Villa in 40 years of watching them before this season and I don't intend to do it next season. If the players getting stick from the fans ( and this has pretty much been the case only since relegation has looked a certainty) - makes them feel bad, then good. To blame anyone other than the managers, owners and players is ridiculous. I've never heard Villa fans booing a good Villa team
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Do you think a crescendo of boos in the last minute will work better clock wise or anti clock wise from the holte?
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Do you think a crescendo of boos in the last minute will work better clock wise or anti clock wise from the holte?
School just finished? Nothing interesting on the Blues or Stripey forums?
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Do you think a crescendo of boos in the last minute will work better clock wise or anti clock wise from the holte?
School just finished? Nothing interesting on the Blues or Stripey forums?
no wrong not at school, and I am villa
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I'm starting to get really pissed off with how often I am having to keep saying knock of the sha/bitters bollocks because you don't agree with what someone says.
Pack it in or enjoy an extended break from the site as following a simple site rule seems too difficult for some.
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I agree with you it needs to stop. But for me the end of the season is when we draw a line under it.
Exactly what I said all those pages ago. I've never booed Villa in 40 years of watching them before this season and I don't intend to do it next season. If the players getting stick from the fans ( and this has pretty much been the case only since relegation has looked a certainty) - makes them feel bad, then good. To blame anyone other than the managers, owners and players is ridiculous. I've never heard Villa fans booing a good Villa team
Petrov got the boos for a while, granted he was overweight and playing terribly.
Came back strong though as did Delph.
its going to take serious characters to get us out of the championship next season.
if we were to have a bad start in August and still have the likes of Gabby and Richards in the squad, the abuse will be unprecedented
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I'm starting to get really pissed off with how often I am having to keep saying knock of the sha/bitters bollocks because you don't agree with what someone says.
Pack it in or enjoy an extended break from the site as following a simple site rule seems too difficult for some.
1.I've never said it before.
2. This is a poster with 11 posts (mostly about booing the team) who is clearly trolling.
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I'm starting to get really pissed off with how often I am having to keep saying knock of the sha/bitters bollocks because you don't agree with what someone says.
Pack it in or enjoy an extended break from the site as following a simple site rule seems too difficult for some.
1.I've never said it before.
2. This is a poster with 11 posts (mostly about booing the team) who is clearly trolling.
in your opinion, and no there not all about booing.
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You'd think it was non stop booing by some posts, the Bournemouth match there was some tremendous gallows humour and in the second half the support for the club got applause from the Bournemouth supporters.
Jordan Lyden got a tremendous reception and support and didn't look frightened or traumatised by the experience, I think Black uses the atmosphere as an excuse not to give the youngsters a game, hopefully it's not because he doesn't think they are good enough.
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You'd think it was non stop booing by some posts, the Bournemouth match there was some tremendous gallows humour and in the second half the support for the club got applause from the Bournemouth supporters.
Jordan Lyden got a tremendous reception and support and didn't look frightened or traumatised by the experience, I think Black uses the atmosphere as an excuse not to give the youngsters a game, hopefully it's not because he doesn't think they are good enough.
This.
It's better than the deathly silence there can quite often be at home games. Incidentally, deathly silence, which is fair enough, our home record isn't much to sing about.
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I'm starting to get really pissed off with how often I am having to keep saying knock of the sha/bitters bollocks because you don't agree with what someone says.
Pack it in or enjoy an extended break from the site as following a simple site rule seems too difficult for some.
1.I've never said it before.
2. This is a poster with 11 posts (mostly about booing the team) who is clearly trolling.
1. I don't care if you've said it before or not.
2. How about you let us moderate the site? If you have an issue bring it to the attention of any of us mods, and you stay within site rules. Seems pretty straight forward to me.
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If any of our poor little flowers are intimidated by a bit of crowd stick are they the sort we need at the Sty, Leeds, Milwall etc next season?
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Do you think a crescendo of boos in the last minute will work better clock wise or anti clock wise from the holte?
Sorry mate, I don't buy you. You're not clever enough or funny enough to be Villa.
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I liked that Hong Kong v China game where the Hong Kong fans were given excellent paper aeroplane material with the word BOO printed on it. We at Villa might not be doing much football wise but H and V is in the vanguard of erudition. I would love to hold up a card with BOO written on one side and Yes Richards we are looking at you on the reverse.
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I would love to hold up a card with BOO written on one side
There's a health and safety issue with that Brian, anybody of a nervous disposition might be startled by masses of cards reading 'BOO'.
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My neighbour has a flock of geese. We could try it out on them.
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My neighbour has a flock of geese. We could try it out on them.
You wouldn't?
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I most certainly would. Listen you honkers, you can be Richards, you the big fat one can be Gabby, the stupid one trying to fuck the concrete gnome can be Lescott. Ready steady go.
Local old age pensioner pecked to death by geese. No flowers by request.
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Why don't you booers just hold up signs saying BOO... and when those of us who don't like or appreciate it glance your way you could flip the sign over where it reads ...URNS?
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I most certainly would. Listen you honkers, you can be Richards, you the big fat one can be Gabby, the stupid one trying to fuck the concrete gnome can be Lescott. Ready steady go.
Local old age pensioner pecked to death by geese. No flowers by request.
Here lies Brian Green.
He said boo to a goose.
Several geese.
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here lies Brian Green
His Goose is cooked
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Local old age pensioner pecked to death by geese. No flowers by request.
That must be a Half Man Half Biscuit lyric
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Anyway back to serious matters.
Does anyone know the health and mental state of Kevin Toner?
Surely after being exposed to such a poisonous and vicious atmosphere at the weekend would have put his football development back years.
All those years of youth team and reserve development.The hours upon hours of tireless hard work in the bin.
Damaged irreparably I'd suggest.
Come on the evidence is there. Has anybody seen Andre Green since he was exposed to first team inclusion??
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I most certainly would. Listen you honkers, you can be Richards, you the big fat one can be Gabby, the stupid one trying to fuck the concrete gnome can be Lescott. Ready steady go.
Local old age pensioner pecked to death by geese. No flowers by request.
Brilliant Brian - the first thing Claret and Blue related that has made me smile in a long time .
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I most certainly would. Listen you honkers, you can be Richards, you the big fat one can be Gabby, the stupid one trying to fuck the concrete gnome can be Lescott. Ready steady go.
Local old age pensioner pecked to death by geese. No flowers by request.
Brilliant Brian - the first thing Claret and Blue related that has made me smile in a long time .
So does that mean bacuna is actually a swan?
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I most certainly would. Listen you honkers, you can be Richards, you the big fat one can be Gabby, the stupid one trying to fuck the concrete gnome can be Lescott. Ready steady go.
Local old age pensioner pecked to death by geese. No flowers by request.
Brilliant Brian - the first thing Claret and Blue related that has made me smile in a long time .
So does that mean bacuna is actually a swan?
Don't know about that, but I thing Lescott might be a duck.
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I most certainly would. Listen you honkers, you can be Richards, you the big fat one can be Gabby, the stupid one trying to fuck the concrete gnome can be Lescott. Ready steady go.
Local old age pensioner pecked to death by geese. No flowers by request.
Brilliant Brian - the first thing Claret and Blue related that has made me smile in a long time .
So does that mean bacuna is actually a swan?
Don't know about that, but I thing Lescott might be a duck.
If it looks like a duck, swims like a duck, and tweets like a prick then it probably is a Lescott.
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That one of your poems?
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And another thread goes down the swanny.
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Well whichever angle we're coming from this thread is offering far, far more entertainment than, yes you've guessed it.
The first team!
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It's time for , what animal is this player or manager.
Delph is a snake.
Gabby is a pig.
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Guzan a goose.
Okore a bull in a China shop.
Gestede a donkey.
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N'Zogbia is a leech.
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I'm not blaming the fans because I don't know whether or not it affects the players, what I am saying is that it affects me.
Wycombe away - players given dogs abuse
Next 4 games won 2 Drew 2
Recently
Tottenham H 0-2
Chelsea Home 0-4
Next 2 home games - players given dogs abuse during game
Lost 1-2
Lost 2-4
So it seems that the dogs abuse and booing is having an impact - a POSITIVE ONE
Before recent abuse 2 defeats 0 goals
After recent abuse 2 defeats but goals in both games and scored 2 in a Premier League game for first time since November!!
I have been a regular since 1963 and a season ticket holder since 1968 and have always advocated no booing during the game. (Steve Hodge and Nigel Callaghan apart)
However over last couple of months I have changed my mind and participate in the booing on each occasion it happens and will continue to do so.
The players attitude is the worst I have seen in over 50 years and they (Only certain of the players who do not need to be named - we know who they are) deserve everything they get.
They are paid handsomely to perform and give their best each and every time they go on the pitch and when they do not do so they are CHEATING every one of us.
And if they continue to get abuse and it does impact negatively on the performance then don't blame the fans blame the 'Caretaker' manager who insists on picking these players.
Players are not getting abuse because they are not good enough (which they are not!) they are getting abuse for their attitude and that is a big difference!
We are all entitled to our opinion and I am sorry that the booing makes you uncomfortable but watching the players with no pride no passion and no effort makes me uncomfortable and short of not going (not an option after 50 years and paying my money upfront each season) booing is my only way of letting those players know how I feel. End of Rant!
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It's becoming like Chinese astrology on here. In this, the Year of the Monkey.
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And another thread goes down the swanny.
It's what we do. It's our cygneture.
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I'm not blaming the fans because I don't know whether or not it affects the players, what I am saying is that it affects me.
Wycombe away - players given dogs abuse
Next 4 games won 2 Drew 2
Recently
Tottenham H 0-2
Chelsea Home 0-4
Next 2 home games - players given dogs abuse during game
Lost 1-2
Lost 2-4
So it seems that the dogs abuse and booing is having an impact - a POSITIVE ONE
Before recent abuse 2 defeats 0 goals
After recent abuse 2 defeats but goals in both games and scored 2 in a Premier League game for first time since November!!
I have been a regular since 1963 and a season ticket holder since 1968 and have always advocated no booing during the game. (Steve Hodge and Nigel Callaghan apart)
However over last couple of months I have changed my mind and participate in the booing on each occasion it happens and will continue to do so.
The players attitude is the worst I have seen in over 50 years and they (Only certain of the players who do not need to be named - we know who they are) deserve everything they get.
They are paid handsomely to perform and give their best each and every time they go on the pitch and when they do not do so they are CHEATING every one of us.
And if they continue to get abuse and it does impact negatively on the performance then don't blame the fans blame the 'Caretaker' manager who insists on picking these players.
Players are not getting abuse because they are not good enough (which they are not!) they are getting abuse for their attitude and that is a big difference!
We are all entitled to our opinion and I am sorry that the booing makes you uncomfortable but watching the players with no pride no passion and no effort makes me uncomfortable and short of not going (not an option after 50 years and paying my money upfront each season) booing is my only way of letting those players know how I feel. End of Rant!
I don't get how you pick out of my post the bit where I say I'm not blaming the fans, and then tell me not to blame the fans.
I don't blame the fans. I don't blame you & totally get what you are saying in your post. I haven't had my season ticket as long as you, I wasn't even aware Villa existed in 1968. I don't want to stop going either but me, it is the toxic atmosphere rather than the dire football that makes me feel like stopping. I think we can agree to disagree because we simply need different things from this chaos. Apart from the misrepresentation of where I apportion blame, the thing I object to in your post is 'End of Rant' - first and foremost because that phrase belongs in the 'things that are fucking annoying thread' and secondly because I read it as your opinion, not a rant til that point, & I don't appreciate being ranted at for having my opinion which even you say I am entitled to.
In a thread where every one would like to just pat each other on the back for how great booing feels, I only want to point out that it doesn't feel like that for everyone. I'm not a player, I'm not the Chairman, I'm a fellow fan.
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If you want to boo, I think you should say the word 'poo' instead, be a great laugh
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Amfy didn't blame the support, just said it's a myth that we are patient. Not sure how you work that one out but there you go.
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In a thread where every one would like to just pat each other on the back for how great booing feels
Silly
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I'm not blaming the fans because I don't know whether or not it affects the players, what I am saying is that it affects me.
Wycombe away - players given dogs abuse
Next 4 games won 2 Drew 2
Recently
Tottenham H 0-2
Chelsea Home 0-4
Next 2 home games - players given dogs abuse during game
Lost 1-2
Lost 2-4
So it seems that the dogs abuse and booing is having an impact - a POSITIVE ONE
Before recent abuse 2 defeats 0 goals
After recent abuse 2 defeats but goals in both games and scored 2 in a Premier League game for first time since November!!
I have been a regular since 1963 and a season ticket holder since 1968 and have always advocated no booing during the game. (Steve Hodge and Nigel Callaghan apart)
However over last couple of months I have changed my mind and participate in the booing on each occasion it happens and will continue to do so.
The players attitude is the worst I have seen in over 50 years and they (Only certain of the players who do not need to be named - we know who they are) deserve everything they get.
They are paid handsomely to perform and give their best each and every time they go on the pitch and when they do not do so they are CHEATING every one of us.
And if they continue to get abuse and it does impact negatively on the performance then don't blame the fans blame the 'Caretaker' manager who insists on picking these players.
Players are not getting abuse because they are not good enough (which they are not!) they are getting abuse for their attitude and that is a big difference!
We are all entitled to our opinion and I am sorry that the booing makes you uncomfortable but watching the players with no pride no passion and no effort makes me uncomfortable and short of not going (not an option after 50 years and paying my money upfront each season) booing is my only way of letting those players know how I feel. End of Rant!
I don't get how you pick out of my post the bit where I say I'm not blaming the fans, and then tell me not to blame the fans.
I don't blame the fans. I don't blame you & totally get what you are saying in your post. I haven't had my season ticket as long as you, I wasn't even aware Villa existed in 1968. I don't want to stop going either but me, it is the toxic atmosphere rather than the dire football that makes me feel like stopping. I think we can agree to disagree because we simply need different things from this chaos. Apart from the misrepresentation of where I apportion blame, the thing I object to in your post is 'End of Rant' - first and foremost because that phrase belongs in the 'things that are fucking annoying thread' and secondly because I read it as your opinion, not a rant til that point, & I don't appreciate being ranted at for having my opinion which even you say I am entitled to.
In a thread where every one would like to just pat each other on the back for how great booing feels, I only want to point out that it doesn't feel like that for everyone. I'm not a player, I'm not the Chairman, I'm a fellow fan.
Sorry it was done in a hurry whilst on my lunch hour at work, sandwich in one hand keypad in the other! I know you didn't blame the fans and the phrase about that was aimed at others rather than yourself. And end of Rant was aimed at myself, I wasn't ranting at you or anywhere else. Apologies for any offence caused - I value your opinions as I do with other fellow Villa fans. It is not the best of times for any of us.
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Infantile Songs to learn and sing (when not booing).
To the tune of "One Cornetto" an Ode to Randolph the unready
"Romantically nourished, I bought a new car"
"I've got more points on my licence than Villa so far"
"For my team, I look for a buyer"
"But it isn't easy to sell eleven flat tyres."
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Needs work
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A total re work in fact; but still to the tune from the "Cornetto" Advert
and still a silly ode to Randolph though,
how about
"Romantically nourished at the foot of the table"
"I look at my team and their clearly not able"
"My mistakes have been equally dire"
"Its no great surprise why we can't finish higher."
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Is everyone ok with booing till the end of the season now?
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I actually think a lot of the players tried harder than usual this last game to be fair.
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I actually think a lot of the players tried harder than usual this last game to be fair.
And were applauded off the pitch at the end - do you think they will work out the relationship between performance and fan reaction?
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I actually think a lot of the players tried harder than usual this last game to be fair.
Fair dos. I didn't watch the game just saw the score. Do you think we might have started to turn a corner?
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I actually think a lot of the players tried harder than usual this last game to be fair.
And were applauded off the pitch at the end - do you think they will work out the relationship between performance and fan reaction?
I've mentioned this in the post-match reports. In the recent past most of the players, with the odd exception such as Hutton, have slunk off without going anywhere near the Villa fans, but this time several came over and were deservedly applauded. Bunn, Gana and Hutton all threw their shirts to the fans and Lescott, who'd been jeered at the beginning, also came all the way down to our end and applauded the fans. The club's a mess, all three managers haven't been up to the job and the team isn't PL standard, but the supporters will still appreciate players who make an effort. If they put in the same effort next week I think the routine booing will stop.
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I actually think a lot of the players tried harder than usual this last game to be fair.
Fair dos. I didn't watch the game just saw the score. Do you think we might have started to turn a corner?
Play like that in the Championship and we'll do fine, as long as we don't put Bacuna in as a right sided centre half when down to 10 men again
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Bacuna will be playing for Atletico Madrid by then, so not our problem to worry about.
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So are we going to witness history with a defeat at home to Newcastle on Saturday? Perhaps the booing stops to try and lift the team? We'll all be part of it so maybe we should get behind the team. I've been a fierce critic of Black and his selections but I don't want to say that I was there on this occasion!
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So are we going to witness history with a defeat at home to Newcastle on Saturday? Perhaps the booing stops to try and lift the team? We'll all be part of it so maybe we should get behind the team. I've been a fierce critic of Black and his selections but I don't want to say that I was there on this occasion!
I think they will be a different atmosphere against Newcastle, I think the fans have made their point over the last few games and will wan't to get behind the team in order to put a nail in Newcastle's coffin.
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I actually think a lot of the players tried harder than usual this last game to be fair.
Fair dos. I didn't watch the game just saw the score. Do you think we might have started to turn a corner?
Dunno mate.We can hope better things will follow. It was welcome to see the effort though.
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I'm wondering if it may've been because they're aware that they're about to be part of a team which creates a truly staggeringly unbelievable run of consecutive defeats for a club of some 140-odd years vintage, and unlike those associated with the occurrence of teams past being relegated who are granted the anonymity of time, their names will be forevermore etched in stone.
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I suppose the booing will stop when the team stops losing every fucking week, for months on end!