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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on November 29, 2014, 04:53:10 PM
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Fill yer boots.
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I'm apoplectic. We're useless.
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why we so shit in second halfs
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Same old same old, I'm afraid. No ambition, no bottle.
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he played for the 1-0 instead of carrying on with what we were doing first half against a poor side.
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Defending a lead when we know we can't. Anyone else would've had 2-4 goals today.
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Really poor to watch, sorry for everyone who made the trip. You are heroes and the team continually let us down. Lambert out.
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Thickie, thickie Villa.
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Danny Ings has scored more goals than Aston Villa since the start of October.
Says it all.
He has got to go, this just is not going to get any better otherwise.
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The classic trait of a relegated team is one which doesn't see out games from winning positions.
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we just can't hold on against the big guns in the PL.
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if that Ings one had gone . god help him
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Get in front, retreat, stop moving off the ball, give it away, retreat a bit more, give it away, concede.
Rinse and fucking repeat.
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he played for the 1-0 instead of carrying on with what we were doing first half against a poor side.
100% this
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3 points from 27.
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Unacceptable shite!
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Keep Lambert out of the dressing room at half-time!! Tactically and mentally we are fecking useless.
Please get him out of the club!
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Consistent. Take the lead, then back off, lose possession and drop points.
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Sat back again and the result was as I thought.
Time wasting after 60 minutes. When will they learn that one isn't enough!!
Bright spots were Cole playing well and Jack getting a run out and he could have won it at the end.
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When are we going to grow a pair of fuckin bollocks? I am sick of conceding late. It has been a disease for years. Man up for fucks sake.
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Another top quality half time team talk.
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Lambert needs to go now.
I can already hear him saying " I thought we were excellent today!"
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why we so shit in second halfs
I can only think we don't like playing in the dark.
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Whatever Lambert says at halftime i wish the players would ignore it.
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Same old predictable bollocks
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Lambert should pick the team, send them out for the first half, and then FUCK OFF TO THE PUB until the final whistle.
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i thought burnley were the worst team id seen including QPR until the 86th min . Any other team would have won that 3-0
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Whatever Lambert says at HT needs to be changed. A Jekyll and Hyde performance.
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Unbeaten run goes on😥
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Every week it's like Groundhog Day. It's absolutely pathetic. Not wasting my breath saying Lambert out because he's safe as houses. Were going down thanks to our clueless owner.
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Keep Lambert out of the dressing room at half-time!!
On matchdays we should tie him to a chair and leave him in a basement.
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Villa & Hove Albion interestingly followed the pattern. Took the lead through Bent, then lost the home match with Bennett and Gardner also in the team.
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I'm not surprised. No. I'm stand corrected. I'm surprised we didn't concede the second.
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How is this man still in a job?
For Christ sake just go!
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why we so shit in second halfs
I can only think we don't like playing in the dark.
maybe its the only time Lambert ever talks to the team
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Whatever Lambert says at HT needs to be changed. A Jekyll and Hyde performance.
Didnt see first half
Were we good?
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Pull your finger out Lerner and sort this awful mess out.
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No confidence. .no belief
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Lambert owes Ings a drink
If he had made it 2-1
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I'm assuming whatever Lambert said to them at half time, they didn't have time to put it through Google translate.
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We were so plainly playing for 1-0 that when they equalised we were totally clueless as to what to do. It's not a tactic: it's what you do when you don't have any tactics.
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Whatever Lambert says at HT needs to be changed. A Jekyll and Hyde performance.
Didnt see first half
Were we good?
we played some decent footy at times. Cole ran the show but Burnely were awful.
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please just fuck off paul lambert. enough is enough. nice bloke, awful manger.
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Pull your finger out Lerner and sort this awful mess out.
Yeah, turn it round like you did with the Browns. Oh....
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well we keep burnley in the mix in a bad way
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Predicting Villa results is too easy but very rewarding if you're betting.
Cole best player in the first half. Second half was our usual dross, conceding late on is becoming the norm which doesn't surprise me by the way we slow the game right down too early, it's also really annoying and frustrating.
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We haven't scored in the second half this season..... I wonder why.... 3 out of the last 27 available, lambert out !
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From being comfortable, we go Damn close to losing. Lambert out
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Well isn't this fun.
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The worst thing is, even when we do score and thereby manage to raise our heads briefly above the shitty brown water in the sea of mediocrity in which we are drowning, we do the same thing almost every fucking time.
Start to give the ball away all the time, invite pressure, find ourselves defending on the edge of our box, and inevitable concede at least one, and sometimes two.
I could put up with it if it was just an occasional occurrence, but it happens every fucking week now, and he seems totally unable to stop it. We are just so utterly brainless.
There isn't another team in this league who wouldn't have beaten Burnley, they were so shit. To find ourselves clinging on to a point at the end is just mind boggling.
It was far from the worst performance we've seen lately, but it was still - at the very best - mediocre.
If this bloke stays on past Christmas, then we are going to go down. The club stinks of it.
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Arse.
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Whatever Lambert says at HT needs to be changed. A Jekyll and Hyde performance.
Didnt see first half
Were we good?
Yes, you probably wouldn't have recognised us. Second half there was no mistaking us. Useless as usual.
I actually didn't think Burnley were as bad as some make out. They were over 90 minutes by far the better team.
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Is there a realistic chance of our fucking beating ANYONE in the league?
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Fucking fuming
Played some decent stuff in the first half at times, nice passing etc. But the business end was as lightweight as always
Failing to keep going at it when 1-0 up has fucked us once again
Lucky to get a point in the end
PLEASE GET THE FUCK OUT LAMBERT
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We are going down in that case Paulie because we have an idiot in control in America who doesn't give a toss and won't get rid of him. It really is difficult to decide who is the thicker of the two. The fact that they both have pots of money just makes things even more depressing
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What the fuck was Okore thinking when he fouled for the pen? Jesus , up till then he was assured and calm.
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They hit the post and put one inches wide towards the death so lucky to get away with a point, although if Jack had taken a touch he could have finished it. Stupid by Okore to bring their player down - let the ball bounce rather than risk a certain pen and maybe a red card. The pattern was so predictable - play well, score, retreat, concede. I wish Lambert would just do the decent thing and fuck off. I really believe the only way he'll go this season is if we draw a non-league team in the cup and lose
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The chairman, the manager, the players - not a braincell between them. I'd love to know the combined IQ of our team. I wonder if it's in double figures?
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The chairman, the manager, the players - not a braincell between them. I'd love to know the combined IQ of our team. I wonder if it's in double figures?
I think you are being overly generous to be honest
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Thought we played well today and were the dominant side for 80+mins. Used the ball very well at times but unfortunately no cutting edge up top. As comfortable as we were, only 1-0 up you always felt they would get a chance. Sickening that we had to hand it to them. After that we predictably fell apart and somehow they missed 2 great chances in injury time to win it. Grealish I guess could have won it at the death but was a difficult one.
Hutton was again excellent though was ball watching badly for their header at the end. Okore and Clark found Ings a real handful but were pretty solid penalty aside. Perhaps Okore was running on empty at the end, must be difficult coming in for back to back games after so long out. Cissokho was much improved today. Cleverley had a fine second half. Westwood was very good, Sanchez once again tired badly and mixed some excellent passing and interceptions with farcical touches and positional play. Joe Cole reminded me of Robbie Keane in the first half and was clearly the outstanding player before the break. Excellent assist by Weimann too. Gabby missed a great chance and went missing when we needed him most in the second half. Grealish had a promising cameo and that position suits him much better than out wide.
Disappointing against one of our relegation rivals. Ings aside they were very average and we made mugs of their midfield. But they put in plenty of very good deliveries and Ings was probably man of the match. Would be a useful signing for us in January maybe considering he is out of contract in the summer. This would have been a massive win for us. Benteke back next week but confidence is bound to be pretty low after losing two points today.
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Keep Lambert out of the dressing room at half-time!!
On matchdays we should tie him to a chair and leave him in a basement.
With a bit of luck someone will plug the chair in!
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It just doesn't make any sense to me why we shut up shop so early and invite all this pressure. When we were on the front foot in the first half we looked so much better.
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It's so, so predicatable. You just knew having gone one up how the rest of the game would go. I'm so tired of it. Please make it stop.
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If only Joe Cole was 5 or 6 years younger. He was excellent and our only creative player. Once again, Lamberts substitutions were woeful.
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Before the pen, Burnley had started to get up a head of steam and were putting us under pressure.
It's precisely why we gave a pen away. Yes, it's an individual mistake, but it's borne from being under the cosh.
And then, after the pen, to see a team push on, and press for the win was great to see.
But, it was Burnley. fucking. Burnley !!
Why the fuck can't we take the game to the opposition like that?
When was the last time we saw our team press, and press and build up a head of steam where you just knew we would score?
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I just think we're a fragile team. Whatever it is there is character missing from the team. And leaders. Having Senderos in the team at the start of the season seemed to have solved one problem and we looked like a well-set defensive unit who could go and nick a goal. That team was slowly developing this season but were starting to look good and capable. Then we had Arsenal. For the first half an hour we looked like we were seeing the starts of a half decent Aston Villa team. Then the bug hits and a run of nearly 10 games not winning is the result.
So, how can that be? The following games have seen us becoming less attack minded, prone to defensive errors, and looking scared and lacking composure. Has the mental character of the team been missing for so long that one or two defeats after a good start has seen us lack so much confidence we're scared off losing rather than concentrate on winning?
But that also goes one step further. How can Paul Lambert see this happening and nothing has improved in what we are seeing. If Senderos were back fit again is he more important because he brings some mental toughness to the team and maybe in the dressing-room? we've turned into a fragile scared team and teams know that and can go for us knowing that there's a good chance we'll crack.
That is what he can't change and that is why he's got to go.
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These dropped points will come back to haunt us.
Next three games are MASSIVE.
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We've been stopping the rot for three weeks and we're still rotten.
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If only Joe Cole was 5 or 6 years younger. He was excellent and our only creative player. Once again, Lamberts substitutions were woeful.
If he was any good and younger he wouldn't be with us.
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I just think we're a fragile team. Whatever it is there is character missing from the team. And leaders. Having Senderos in the team at the start of the season seemed to have solved one problem and we looked like a well-set defensive unit who could go and nick a goal. That team was slowly developing this season but were starting to look good and capable. Then we had Arsenal. For the first half an hour we looked like we were seeing the starts of a half decent Aston Villa team. Then the bug hits and a run of nearly 10 games not winning is the result.
So, how can that be? The following games have seen us becoming less attack minded, prone to defensive errors, and looking scared and lacking composure. Has the mental character of the team been missing for so long that one or two defeats after a good start has seen us lack so much confidence we're scared off losing rather than concentrate on winning?
But that also goes one step further. How can Paul Lambert see this happening and nothing has improved in what we are seeing. If Senderos were back fit again is he more important because he brings some mental toughness to the team and maybe in the dressing-room? we've turned into a fragile scared team and teams know that and can go for us knowing that there's a good chance we'll crack.
That is what he can't change and that is why he's got to go.
I think you are exaggerating our first four games. Yes, points on the board, but performance wise fairly average.
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*sigh*
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3 points from 27...do the math Randy and Tom!
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I just think we're a fragile team. Whatever it is there is character missing from the team. And leaders. Having Senderos in the team at the start of the season seemed to have solved one problem and we looked like a well-set defensive unit who could go and nick a goal. That team was slowly developing this season but were starting to look good and capable. Then we had Arsenal. For the first half an hour we looked like we were seeing the starts of a half decent Aston Villa team. Then the bug hits and a run of nearly 10 games not winning is the result.
So, how can that be? The following games have seen us becoming less attack minded, prone to defensive errors, and looking scared and lacking composure. Has the mental character of the team been missing for so long that one or two defeats after a good start has seen us lack so much confidence we're scared off losing rather than concentrate on winning?
But that also goes one step further. How can Paul Lambert see this happening and nothing has improved in what we are seeing. If Senderos were back fit again is he more important because he brings some mental toughness to the team and maybe in the dressing-room? we've turned into a fragile scared team and teams know that and can go for us knowing that there's a good chance we'll crack.
That is what he can't change and that is why he's got to go.
I think you are exaggerating our first four games. Yes, points on the board, but performance wise fairly average.
Absolutely. What I mean is that for the first 2 games we were very defensively sound but not a great deal else. Then against Hull and Liverpool we added a slight more attacking threat to it. We got panicky against Hull but held out for a deserved win. We go to Liverpool and get at them and batter them and took a deserved lead. They didn't know what hit them and neither did the crowd. We then sat back and were still an absolute dominance and comfortably kept Liverpool away. That was a very good performance and the tight defensive unit seemed to have a capable attack to compliment it. Then, into the next game and we carried on where we left off at Liverpool and we did look threatening.
Whatever you may infer from the points return, the team was developing and looking solid if not spectacular. Then almost at the start of this run we're nowhere near that team again. Today is a case in point. We did actually look good in the first half so the team is working in parts but they can't put a good decent performance in as a tea, at the moment. Where has that gone and why?
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A big change is needed.
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So the travelling fans were calling for his head and fighting amongst themselves, happy days at VP.
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7 points dropped this month in the last ten minutes when in winning positions - says to me a team lacking leadership low in confidence and having a tactically shit manager
Strangely we'd be 7th now if we'd hung on in all 3 of those games
It's really too close to call with only 5 points separating the bottom 9 (from Stoke down) all of whom look mediocre at best to me
Benteke coming back might just swing it for us
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How is this man still in a job?
For Christ sake just go!
You do realise that this will be seen as a good result by our knowledgable owner and management?
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I think the reason for the frailty is that they have lost all confidence in Lambert. I suspect that the new four year contract he received was greeted with utter dismay in the dressing room. The players cant believe it any more than we can.
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Today just reinforced for me what I said on Monday, namely that our substandard tactics and average performances may get us the odd point here and there but they won't win us many games.
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I think the reason for the frailty is that they have lost all confidence in Lambert. I suspect that the new four year contract he received was greeted with utter dismay in the dressing room. The players cant believe it any more than we can.
Agree Brian but I don't sense Lambert has ever had any confidence in his players. It's a perfect shit storm.
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Gabby appalling again and he is captain.
There is no leadership.
The mentality of a team that trys to close a game out at 60 minutes against a team that they were beating easily says it all.
Totally gutless and it all comes from the manager.
But we all know nothing will happen.
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Today just reinforced for me what I said on Monday, namely that our substandard tactics and average performances may get us the odd point here and there but they won't win us many games.
To win games we need to score. What is it now, seven?
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Any pearls of wisdom from our great leader in the post match press conference I couldn't risk watching it and putting a foot through the screen this side of christmas. We go again after another fine performance?
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Well The hard (and very depressing) stats are.
In 50 games from the start of last season we've accumulated 49 points scoring 45 goals on our way to a goal difference of -31
The rolling 38 game total is 36 points with a goal difference of -30 (scored 32)
The 38 game prediction based on the last 19 games says 34 points with a goal difference of -38 scoring 22.
It's getting worse with no sign of improving.
No win in 9, with a trip to another bogey ground to come followed by a Leicester team desperate for a break. And we all know who tends to be the most obliging team for that sort of thing.
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What was the crowd reaction?
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Any pearls of wisdom from our great leader in the post match press conference I couldn't risk watching it and putting a foot through the screen this side of christmas. We go again after another fine performance?
Oh, c'mon.
You know you know exactly what he said.
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In the car home. Making good time with an extra passenger.
Thought we were very good first half, Cole a class above anything on the pitch. Dumb penalty to give away. A couple of pretty hearty "we want Lambert out" chants after the penalty.
A good day overall, Burnley wasn't as bad as made out. Shame Villa spoilt it a bit but my unbeaten away run continues.
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Any pearls of wisdom from our great leader in the post match press conference I couldn't risk watching it and putting a foot through the screen this side of christmas. We go again after another fine performance?
Oh, c'mon.
You know you know exactly what he said.
Sadly, yes.
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Today just reinforced for me what I said on Monday, namely that our substandard tactics and average performances may get us the odd point here and there but they won't win us many games.
To win games we need to score. What is it now, seven?
It's mental. One goal hasn't been enough to get us a win since Liverpool, in September. So what does Lambert do when do score - stops trying to score any more.
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I suspect that the new four year contract he received was greeted with utter dismay in the dressing room. The players cant believe it any more than we can.
I suspect most of them will have been pretty pleased, knowing there's no-one else who'd be likely to employ them as premier league footballers.
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Stoppage time summed it up for me....Sean Dyche shouting instructions and urging Burnley on, Lambert just sat there....decent first hour during which we should have won the game...
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The fact remains that we couldn't beat a team who will be back in the Championship next season. Who will be going with them is the concern, and our next game against Leicester will probably point to it being us, if we continue with Lambert as manager.
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We held a team who were bang in form - having won their last two. It's a good point.
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TOSM speaks: "It's always difficult to play against a promoted side."
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With a bit of luck someone will plug the chair in!
No need for that fella/lady.
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TOSM speaks: "It's always difficult to play against a promoted side."
And a midtable side. And a title winning side. And a side in a lower division. And every side we come up against.
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TOSM speaks: "It's always difficult to play against a promoted side."
We find it hard to play against ANY fucking side.
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We held a team who were bang in form - having won their last two. It's a good point.
This is either dripping in sarcasm, or dripping in LSD-induced euphoria.
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Gabby appalling again and he is captain.
There is no leadership.
He's had his sort of good game, don't expect anything from him till mid January.
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I think the only person who can keep us up is yet again going to be the 12th Man
Keep the faith guys
Don't turn on the team
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He's had his sort of good game, don't expect anything from him till mid January.
In his defence, there doesn't seem to be any aspiration or drive anywhere at the club to rise above mediocrity.
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I think the only person who can keep us up is yet again going to be the 12th Man
Keep the faith guys
Don't turn on the team
Is that Jesus?
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He's had his sort of good game, don't expect anything from him till mid January.
In his defence, there doesn't seem to be any aspiration or drive anywhere at the club to rise above mediocrity.
Mediocrity? We can only dream......
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We held a team who were bang in form - having won their last two. It's a good point.
This is either dripping in sarcasm, or dripping in LSD-induced euphoria.
Knowing Kippax it is the former.
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He's had his sort of good game, don't expect anything from him till mid January.
In his defence, there doesn't seem to be any aspiration or drive anywhere at the club to rise above to mediocrity.
Fixed
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Even Jesus couldn't help us at the moment maybe his maker could help us (McGrath) but if he could not then we have to do a aretha Franklin moment (say a little prayer)
Keep the faith
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I think the only person who can keep us up is yet again going to be the 12th Man
Keep the faith guys
Don't turn on the team
Is that Jesus?
Nailed on
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Badly need Benteke and/or Kozak back. Unfortunately Lambert's style seems to revolve around a big striker up front which we are lacking at the moment.
First 60 mins we were well on top - Cole tiring and Gabby not really offering much meant we got deeper and deeper - but Burnley only really had their chances after getting the equaliser (Gabby giving the ball away cheaply) and Okore making his only mistake of the game. Grealish a good chance at the end to win; a bit more game time recently and maybe he'd have the composure to finish. Coincidence he was involved today now Keane has gone?
Cleverley was busy and excellent, Westwood a little quiet. Sanchez good in patches but sometimes a bit slow in possession which is to be expected. Back 4 good overall.
Whats most frustrating is 6 pts dropped from winning positions the last 3 games all late in the game. If we could get that second goal we'd be on 19 and sitting pretty.
Another massive game Tuesday - Benteke back a big plus.
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I think we can take some positives out of the performance for the first time since September and think Benteke in there instead of Gabby would have seen us win three or four nil.
We can't keep retreating and defending single goal leads though as it's apparent we are too brittle to do it. I have seen probably the worse side we will play all season in Burnley, who were diabolical, yet we still through it away. Not good enough, but at least we used the ball a lot better and there were signs that we can build on elements of that decent passing play. A lot of that may be down to Burnley being poor, but there is no reason to revert to type against Palace, Leicester or the Albion, but our game management must be better and that starts and ends with Lambert.
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I wish i knew what our clueless owner sees in this idiot we have as a manager, there is surely no way he would still be in a job at any other club
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Bye bye Lambert. He absolutely has to go now.
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He should, but he won't.
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Played well for 60 mins, should have been out of sight by half-time, against a very poor side. Burnley were not really threatening until ref gave a very dubious penalty. After that Burnley should have gone on to win.
Benteke will make a big difference, but it's going to be another long season.
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You have to dust yourself down and go for it again.
That was a game that got away from us. It was the best we have played in a few weeks."
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Time must be ticking now.
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Time must be ticking now.
How? He has a four-year contract under his belt. He is hardly going to walk away and Lerner is unlikely to want to pay him off. We are stuck in the middle between a massive rock and a seriously hard place.
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You have to dust yourself down and go for it again.
That was a game that got away from us. It was the best we have played in a few weeks."
I'm just staggered by how delusional someone can be. We've just drawn with fucking Burnley. Enough is enough.
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Time must be ticking now.
How? He has a four-year contract under his belt. He is hardly going to walk away and Lerner is unlikely to want to pay him off. We are stuck in the middle between a massive rock and a seriously hard place.
I agree, I just hope that Lerner sees the light.
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How did the fans react at full time, did they finally turn on Lambert?
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I think we can take some positives out of the performance for the first time since September and think Benteke in there instead of Gabby would have seen us win three or four nil.
We can't keep retreating and defending single goal leads though as it's apparent we are too brittle to do it. I have seen probably the worse side we will play all season in Burnley, who were diabolical, yet we still through it away. Not good enough, but at least we used the ball a lot better and there were signs that we can build on elements of that decent passing play. A lot of that may be down to Burnley being poor, but there is no reason to revert to type against Palace, Leicester or the Albion, but our game management must be better and that starts and ends with Lambert.
Agree on the positives. If you squint a little, Okore, Sanchez, Hutton, Aly, Cleverly and Cole look like quite a good standard of player. A bit of a leap given our injury record I know, but if we could get them into the same team as Benteke, Senderos/Vlaar, Delph and Guzan we should be nowhere near relegation this season.
That said, it would all be so much better with a competent manager.
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Decent first half but then such an infinitely predictable second. As Stan so aptly put it earlier this week, that wasn't tactics, it was hoping. Not good enough.
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Decent first half but then such an infinitely predictable second. As Stan so aptly put it earlier this week, that wasn't tactics, it was hoping. Not good enough.
Nailed it!
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Slightly unnerving to note that an obviously unfit Joe Cole nonetheless made the rest of our midfield and forwards look like cloggers, quite simply by dint of using his brain.
We looked an effective attacking force in the first half, because Cole has this amazing talent, called actually looking at what everyone else on the pitch is doing and acting accordingly.
Whereas Gabby just tries to run away from or past defenders, and someone like Benteke just runs into them, Cole has a look and runs where the defenders aren't. Rocket science it ain't. Hopefully Kozak will be back soon too, because as far as I can see, he's the only other player at the club who shares this apparently unique talent.
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I think we can take some positives out of the performance for the first time since September and think Benteke in there instead of Gabby would have seen us win three or four nil.
We can't keep retreating and defending single goal leads though as it's apparent we are too brittle to do it. I have seen probably the worse side we will play all season in Burnley, who were diabolical, yet we still through it away. Not good enough, but at least we used the ball a lot better and there were signs that we can build on elements of that decent passing play. A lot of that may be down to Burnley being poor, but there is no reason to revert to type against Palace, Leicester or the Albion, but our game management must be better and that starts and ends with Lambert.
Agree on the positives. If you squint a little, Okore, Sanchez, Hutton, Aly, Cleverly and Cole look like quite a good standard of player. A bit of a leap given our injury record I know, but if we could get them into the same team as Benteke, Senderos/Vlaar, Delph and Guzan we should be nowhere near relegation this season.
That said, it would all be so much better with a competent manager.
Ar.
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Nothing wrong with our squad. A lot wrong with our so-called manager. Not good enough.
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He's performing like a chump when it comes to matters on the pitch, but mostly his signings have been pretty reasonable, especially when you consider his budget. You can debate whether we needed certain players as a priority when perhaps we needed more creativity, but by and large his transfer record hasn't been bad.
It's all a bit frustrating, really.
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please just fuck off paul lambert. enough is enough. nice bloke, awful manger.
Getting in the festive spirit I see,
Away in a manger, such fear and dread, The little Lord Lambert keeps down his sweet head.
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The best thing about today was a gloriously biased Sir Brian on the co-commentary.
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Away in a manger, such fear and such dread, the little Lord Lambert keeps down his sweet head.
The stars in the bright sky looked at the tactical stench, the little Lord Lambert asleep on the bench
The players are tiring, the poor subs get the shakes, but little Lord Lambert no changes he makes
I love Thee, Lord Villa, look down from the sky and stay by my side, 'Til Lambert is nigh.
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Tony Morley was their special HT guest. No surprise he got a better reception from us than he did the Burnley fans.
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As I'm getting quite merrily pissed, I'll carry on with this work of art tomorrow.
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How did the fans react at full time, did they finally turn on Lambert?
Boos at the final whistle, I was at the concourse exit and left straight away so no idea if any songs after the whistle. A couple of hearty "we want Lambert out" were sung during the game after the penalty.
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We won't get many games like that this season so to not see it out speaks volumes.
At least thre's a good chance we'll get a second bite next year in the Championship.
Please, for the love of McGrath, Lambert Out.
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I can see Burnley going on a horrendous run - they really lack quality. Unfortunately, we haven't got the stomach to beat them.
We are doomed. doomed.
Unless Lambert gets sacked of course.
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Have read his comments after the game and what a load of bollocks yet again springs to mind. Three points were there for the taking, seems as if we went into our shell yet again. We go again on Tuesday and no doubt will do the same effing thing. The squad is better than quite a few in the league imo, but need to be allowed to express themselves.
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He's had his sort of good game, don't expect anything from him till mid January.
In his defence, there doesn't seem to be any aspiration or drive anywhere at the club to rise above mediocrity.
I thought he had a good first half, held the ball up well, brought others in and managed to get himself in a couple of goalscoring positions, all that with two defenders on him most of the time. Second half he was so isolated and the two Burnley central defenders had an easy 45 minutes.
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Nothing wrong with our squad. A lot wrong with our so-called manager. Not good enough.
Based on the first half I'd love to see what a competent manager could do with them.
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Just got back . Great first half - where we moved the ball so much quicker than usual.
Second half was as expected. No real attacking intent , Gabby jogging around the centre circle - making no effort to show or run the channels.
As expected, another woeful substitution costs us . Joe Cole was breathing out of his backside , so Grealish for him was fair enough . But taking Wiemann off and leaving Gabby on was pathetic.
How many times do we concede late on ? Lamberts game management is appalling.
How much longer are we going to have to suffer this shit ?
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Just home. Very bright start, let them back into it but never looked like we would concede until the pen. Ultimately lucky we didn't lose it in extra time. He's got to go.
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Just got back . Great first half - where we moved the ball so much quicker than usual.
Second half was as expected. No real attacking intent , Gabby jogging around the centre circle - making no effort to show or run the channels.
As expected, another woeful substitution costs us . Joe Cole was breathing out of his backside , so Grealish for him was fair enough . But taking Wiemann off and leaving Gabby on was pathetic.
How many times do we concede late on ? Lamberts game management is appalling.
How much longer are we going to have to suffer this shit ?
Agree and Richardson did not appear to interested either.
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A worry is that in Lamberts first season we had one of the best records of retrieving a game once going behind. Now we look beaten when conceding the first and play for a draw if we open the scoring. If we can't get a new manager could we not try a sports psychologist to make these little boys a bit braver?
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You knew at half time - when we hadn't got more than the one goal - it would be down to the team talks of both teams.
Burnley manager worked out his team were not good enough to beat us playing football so all they did was go more direct and eventually they equalised and could have won it.
What our lot get told to do when they are sucking on their oranges is anybody's guess? Whatever it is it does not work.
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Just home from Turf Moor. Not much to add than what's been said other than Burnley is a grim place it's like stepping back through a time warp. Wooden seats !
Away end turned on lambert after they equalised and he sat down for rest of game then skulked off at the end hiding behind a couple of other blokes as they crossed the pitch to the tunnel.
Standout players Cole , Hutton and Cleverly
Gabby and Weimann were poor.
Oh and Lowton came on so he isn't at Wigan ?
Any news on Clark injury ?
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Have read his comments after the game and what a load of bollocks yet again springs to mind. Three points were there for the taking, seems as if we went into our shell yet again. We go again on Tuesday and no doubt will do the same effing thing. The squad is better than quite a few in the league imo, but need to be allowed to express themselves.
No I think Palace will tear us apart and hopefully that will be the end of Mr Mumbles.
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I think the reason for the frailty is that they have lost all confidence in Lambert. I suspect that the new four year contract he received was greeted with utter dismay in the dressing room. The players cant believe it any more than we can.
I think Brian you are absolutely spot on. We were doing well upto beating Liverpool away on the 13th Sept which was our best start for 16 years.
4 days later it's announced to utter astonishment he's signed for another 4 years.
From then on its no win in 9 matches. The players don't wish to play for him, hence Delph and Vlaar to leave in January and Benteke off in the summer. Another year losing our best players and then we go down.
When oh when will this endless nightmare come to an end. Just to go to Villa Park on a Saturday with excitement expecting a committed, passionate, spirited performance and a deserved win over 90 mins with majority of possession and shots on target.
My 9 year old daughter just said to me to switch teams after 28 years. Heartbreaking.
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Lambert is not very bright, we know that but there have been hugely successful managers with little more than average intelligence. What they lacked in brain power they more than made up for in motivational and communication skills. Lambert is almost non existent in both departments. Add to all that the endless reports of bust ups with players and the preferential treatment of his favourites and it is not hard to see why he fails so miserably.
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Joe Cole showed 2 things today. Why Lambert signed him. And why virtually no one else wanted him.
Head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, real genuine quality. We played some of the best time in years in the first half and he was nearly always involved in it. Then he went on a run in the second half, not a long run, maybe a third of the pitch tops, and he was absolutely fucked after it. Slowly walking back to halfway line, hands on hips, bending over, everything to try and get his wind back. It didn't work as he was pretty much done after that run.
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Joe Cole showed 2 things today. Why Lambert signed him. And why virtually no one else wanted him.
Head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, real genuine quality. We played some of the best time in years in the first half and he was nearly always involved in it. Then he went on a run in the second half, not a long run, maybe a third of the pitch tops, and he was absolutely fucked after it. Slowly walking back to halfway line, hands on hips, bending over, everything to try and get his wind back. It didn't work as he was pretty much done after that run.
In fairness he's barely played. However, he showed today keeping him as fit as often as we can is crucial. He's the one player in the side who has a bit of creativity.
As I said in another thread, I'm not convinced Grealish will justify the hype, but must admit I'm surprised to see him getting a lot of abuse by Villa fans on his Twitter page.
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Fans superb once again.
Didn't Man Utd draw here too with a multi million pound team?
Looking forward to Palace Tuesday night, Benteke back.
UTV
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
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He's had his sort of good game, don't expect anything from him till mid January.
In his defence, there doesn't seem to be any aspiration or drive anywhere at the club to rise above mediocrity.
I thought he had a good first half, held the ball up well, brought others in and managed to get himself in a couple of goalscoring positions, all that with two defenders on him most of the time. Second half he was so isolated and the two Burnley central defenders had an easy 45 minutes.
Knowing how stupid Lambert is he'll start with Gabby, Weimann and Benteke on Tuesday and drop Cole (if fit) when the smart thing to do is replace Gabby for Benteke.
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Everything was great today - great support, decent price beer, great seats (for my 3 little ones right at the front behind the goal), bossed the 1st half, never looked in danger....then the usual....2nd half surrender. Even when we scored Guzan was urging players forward conscious we could kill the game. It feels like visiting a dying relative at the moment, gain great heart in the good times, but know it is going to end...Contemplating taking holidays to go to London Tuesday....must be fackin mad!
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
What's this about Villa on Villa aggro? I know its desperate but come on kids...
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
What's this about Villa on Villa aggro? I know its desperate but come on kids...
Didn't see any of that
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
What's this about Villa on Villa aggro? I know its desperate but come on kids...
The amount who looked/acted pissed out of their heads it wouldn't surprise me if a couple had a disagreement with each other. That said, I saw nothing of the sort.
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
What's this about Villa on Villa aggro? I know its desperate but come on kids...
The amount who looked/acted pissed out of their heads it wouldn't surprise me if a couple had a disagreement with each other. That said, I saw nothing of the sort.
That's a blessing then. I recall having some difficult moments in the Trinity at the TSM Bolton game when I thought I might be smothered by an aggressively flapped tartan rug!
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He's had his sort of good game, don't expect anything from him till mid January.
In his defence, there doesn't seem to be any aspiration or drive anywhere at the club to rise above mediocrity.
I thought he had a good first half, held the ball up well, brought others in and managed to get himself in a couple of goalscoring positions, all that with two defenders on him most of the time. Second half he was so isolated and the two Burnley central defenders had an easy 45 minutes.
Knowing how stupid Lambert is he'll start with Gabby, Weimann and Benteke on Tuesday and drop Cole (if fit) when the smart thing to do is replace Gabby for Benteke.
I was disappointed not to see Robinson come on for Gabby, who looked shagged or Andi, both running on empty. The PNE fans are gutted we've recalled him and many were eager to point out that unless we make immediate use of him, his confidence will drop. Now with Benteke back I doubt we'll see him this year.
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Loads of very pissed people up there today - Lambert is lucky Burnley scored so late on - it could have got very ugly.
Again he gets away with it .
We are sleepwalking toward the trap door and disaster.
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I'd be surprised if Cole is fit enough to start Tuesday, so I expect a straight Cole/Benteke swap. And maybe Clark out depending on his injury.
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I doubt Joe Cole will play 2 games in 4 days. Think he may play him next Sunday at Leicester home game
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we want Lambert out
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
What's this about Villa on Villa aggro? I know its desperate but come on kids...
Didn't see any of that
Probably the odd fan saying Lambert is doing a good job that started it
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Agree with a couple of recent comments, cant see Cole starting on Tuesday tbh. Benteke to come in for him I reckon, but hope he starts v Leicester at home
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
Gets my vote, if true, well done the away support, about bleedin time.
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
There was after it. Fact.
Now again, does that qualify as superb support?
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
So as usual Villa fans give him the benefit of the doubt and when he fails them again they give him pelters - fickle bastards!
"fact" - Oh dear
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Are statistics "facts"?
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
There was after it. Fact.
Now again, does that qualify as superb support?
Are you trying to say the support was not superb. Villa's away support is always superb and lets be honest they have had to put up with so much shite
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
There was after it. Fact.
Now again, does that qualify as superb support?
Why not? Fans sick of seeing the life squeezed out of their club dare to raise their voices in protest at one of the main problems? Heaven forbid the paying customers should have say over the slow motion car crash that's been unfolding at VP the last 4-5 years, with Lambert currently at the wheel. Sounds like excellent support of the club to me. How else are they going to influence change?
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This is a specific question to Westley based on a number of his previous posts. I am not slating the fans at all.
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Just home from Turf Moor. Not much to add than what's been said other than Burnley is a grim place it's like stepping back through a time warp. Wooden seats !
You have to laugh.
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Just home from Turf Moor. Not much to add than what's been said other than Burnley is a grim place it's like stepping back through a time warp. Wooden seats !
You have to laugh.
On the plus side, plenty of leg room. Especially where me and Sox were, could have built a house in the space between our seats and the ones in front!
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This is a specific question to Westley based on a number of his previous posts. I am not slating the fans at all.
That's a "fact" PWS!
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This is a specific question to Westley based on a number of his previous posts. I am not slating the fans at all.
That's a "fact" PWS!
(http://i.telegraph.co.uk/multimedia/archive/02496/Rafa_2496058b.jpg)
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So Westley - when the fans began chanting "Lambert Out!" did they go from being "good" fans like you to unsupportive fans? Did you counsel them in their delusional state? Are they fickle? Did you tell them that? What percentage were chanting? Let's have some facts...
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So Westley - when the fans began chanting "Lambert Out!" did they go from being "good" fans like you to unsupportive fans? Did you counsel them in their delusional state? Are they fickle? Did you tell them that? What percentage were chanting? Let's have some facts...
Maybe they are just match day warriors?
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Great day out - first half we should have put Burnley to bed. Second half, they came out with instructions to defend. Inevitable outcome.
We have no problem with our squad of players on this performance: it's the tactics and management.
At last, the fans are making their feelings known: "we want Lambert out" came out loud and clear.
The fans were brilliant today.
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Is my interweb broken or has the OS still not posted Lambo's post-match comments? I fully expect that they are just dodging flak, but I hope that he is in 'that' meeting with Mr Fox in time for the longed-for announcement on the imminent MOTD.
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Great day out - first half we should have put Burnley to bed. Second half, they came out with instructions to defend. Inevitable outcome.
We have no problem with our squad of players on this performance: it's the tactics and management.
At last, the fans are making their feelings known: "we want Lambert out" came out loud and clear.
The fans were brilliant today.
Yes. The way to win that match was to keep on and on attacking. At least until 65 minutes, the latest moment that Cole had to leave the pitch for a fag and a kebab.
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Is my interweb broken or has the OS still not posted Lambo's post-match comments? I fully expect that they are just dodging flak, but I hope that he is in 'that' meeting with Mr Fox in time for the longed-for announcement on the imminent MOTD.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4336781,00.html
Paul Lambert was left to rue several missed chances as his side drew 1-1 with Burnley at Turf Moor.
Joe Cole - who the manager praised highly post-match - bagged his first Villa goal on his first top-flight start for the club.
But the visitors had other opportunities to extend the lead heading into the break.
They didn't find the net again - and Danny Ings fired home a penalty in the 86th minute to leave Villa with three draws from their last three fixtures.
Lambert was frustrated that his team weren't more clinical in that opening period.
He said: "We should have won it. We should have been out of the sight in the first half to be honest.
"With the chances in the first half, we should have put the game to bed.
"The way we played for long spells of that game was really good. We should have killed the game off. We had chances to do it.
"Burnley came into it to their credit when they got the penalty and it puts you on the back foot.
"We lost two points. We could have lost three towards the end when Burnley hit the post.
"Burnley came at us really strongly in that little burst of play.
"When you pick up points away from home, it's good in this league. But this was one we should have won. This is a game that got away from us."
Despite the disappointment of a late leveller, Lambert was delighted with the contribution of former Chelsea ace Cole, who impressed greatly in midfield.
He added: "The big plus was Joe Cole with the way he played - I thought he was outstanding. He was exceptional.
"I thought he was a massive plus and it was a great goal he scored.
"He's getting fitter and fitter with every passing week. He has great enthusiasm for the game of football for a guy who has won everything in the game. His performance today was outstanding."
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In other words we fucked up against the shittiest team in the league
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Is my interweb broken or has the OS still not posted Lambo's post-match comments? I fully expect that they are just dodging flak, but I hope that he is in 'that' meeting with Mr Fox in time for the longed-for announcement on the imminent MOTD.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~4336781,00.html
Paul Lambert was left to rue several missed chances as his side drew 1-1 with Burnley at Turf Moor.
Joe Cole - who the manager praised highly post-match - bagged his first Villa goal on his first top-flight start for the club.
But the visitors had other opportunities to extend the lead heading into the break.
They didn't find the net again - and Danny Ings fired home a penalty in the 86th minute to leave Villa with three draws from their last three fixtures.
Lambert was frustrated that his team weren't more clinical in that opening period.
He said: "We should have won it. We should have been out of the sight in the first half to be honest.
"With the chances in the first half, we should have put the game to bed.
"The way we played for long spells of that game was really good. We should have killed the game off. We had chances to do it.
"Burnley came into it to their credit when they got the penalty and it puts you on the back foot.
"We lost two points. We could have lost three towards the end when Burnley hit the post.
"Burnley came at us really strongly in that little burst of play.
"When you pick up points away from home, it's good in this league. But this was one we should have won. This is a game that got away from us."
Despite the disappointment of a late leveller, Lambert was delighted with the contribution of former Chelsea ace Cole, who impressed greatly in midfield.
He added: "The big plus was Joe Cole with the way he played - I thought he was outstanding. He was exceptional.
"I thought he was a massive plus and it was a great goal he scored.
"He's getting fitter and fitter with every passing week. He has great enthusiasm for the game of football for a guy who has won everything in the game. His performance today was outstanding."
Should I thank you PWS or curse you for ruining my anticipation of Lineker's first statements. Well by first I mean...About halfway through the programme. After he has banged on and on about CFC and MCFC and AFC and LFC and West Ham. Then come over a photo of Van Gaal. Naturally.
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News of his sacking would be last on MOTD.
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News of his sacking would be last on MOTD2 a week later.
Fixed.
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On the plus side of today, I bought season 7 of Curb Your Enthusiasm from the CEX in Burnley.
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3 points from 9 fecking games, lets go through the magic run at the start, how many shots on target at Stoke and a dodgy winner, shite at home v Newcastle and how we got a draw I dont know, Hull good first half then lucky to win in the end, Liverpool I think was a good performance tbh. At least we had targets on goal today but ffs we are playing Burnley away so should have the odd shot surely. We are Aston Villa, the fans dont expect league championship or european cup wins again, but I think we deserve more than one shot on target against a Southampton team that was decimated by their top players leaving in the summer. That is not acceptable IMO
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Watching the match on Sky. Sanchez was only incompetent 2/3 times in the first half however second half he is very poor.
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On the plus side of today, I bought season 7 of Curb Your Enthusiasm from the CEX in Burnley.
You thought you did. More likely that you observed Lambert, who is a disfunctional neurotic person in denial with no interpersonal skills, always says the wrong thing, stumbles from clumsy disaster to gross misfortune and scares his colleagues away.
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .
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I think Benteke plays today then we go in at half time 3 or 4 up.
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
Steampacket
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It was an honour and a privilege to be in that away end today. Very loud.
And a welcome return of the bananarama Aston villa song.
What's this about Villa on Villa aggro? I know its desperate but come on kids...
The amount who looked/acted pissed out of their heads it wouldn't surprise me if a couple had a disagreement with each other. That said, I saw nothing of the sort.
Didn't go to the game, but the first caller on Stan Collymore's radio show earlier tonight talked about it. Made it out that it was pretty bad.
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I think Benteke plays today then we go in at half time 3 or 4 up.
I think we are stronger with Benteke, but I honestly don't think the difference on days like today is that between being a goal up and 3 or 4 up.
The notion of us scoring 3 or 4 goals in a single half, I have to say, is about as out there as it gets.
We've scored 7 goals all season - across 13 games.
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We will be okay when we put our best team out, what a load of bollocks. Totally pissed off with theway our club has become pleased with draws in the last two games, Lerner, you are a disgrace and I am almost sorry Ellis who I almost despise is not in charge as he would not accept this shit
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .
The Sunderland 6-1 game is easily the highlight of Lambert's reign. We played some good attacking football in the second part of Lambert's first season and then we've just gone backwards. We've bought very little attacking talent since then when it's been painfully obvious that it was needed, which had been becoming more and more obvious until the point that it's blindingly obvious. I hope Lambert isn't still pulling out that line about how many goals there are in the team.
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I don't know, Clark and Okore were a foot on the line away from scoring, you put Benteke in there attacking the ball too and you never know. He would have buried the chance Gabby spurned as well.
Then Lambert would have been free to retreat as far as he would have liked, the game would have been dead.
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .
The Sunderland 6-1 game is easily the highlight of Lambert's reign. We played some good attacking football in the second part of Lambert's first season and then we've just gone backwards. We've bought very little attacking talent since then when it's been painfully obvious that it was needed, which had been becoming more and more obvious until the point that it's blindingly obvious. I hope Lambert isn't still pulling out that line about how many goals there are in the team.
To be honest the biggest criticism levelled at the team after his first season was they couldn't defend.
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .
Nearly 9 and 20 months ago are great examples.
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I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .
The Sunderland 6-1 game is easily the highlight of Lambert's reign. We played some good attacking football in the second part of Lambert's first season and then we've just gone backwards. We've bought very little attacking talent since then when it's been painfully obvious that it was needed, which had been becoming more and more obvious until the point that it's blindingly obvious. I hope Lambert isn't still pulling out that line about how many goals there are in the team.
To be honest the biggest criticism levelled at the team after his first season was they couldn't defend.
We do defend better, agreed but when you reach a point where you haven't scored a second half goal since April (something like 18) and you consistently use tactics of sitting back and defending, it puts far too much pressure on the defence. Okore made one mistake all game and at this level, that usually results in a goal. If the other side of our game had steadily improved that goal would have been nothing more than a consolation.
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
I can't quite work out whether you're an attention seeker, a nose or a plonker.
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I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.
We've got one haven't we?
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
I can't quite work out whether you're an attention seeker, a nose or a plonker.
I suspect all three as they are far from mutually exclusive. Well, actually the first two are as you wouldn't want to draw attention to supporting that shower would you
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We have, I thought jack Grealish did really well when he came on.
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I really hope Lambert starts playing Cole and Grealish off Benteke with a third (probably Gabby over Weimann).
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Do they qualify as superb when singing "we want Lambert out"?
interesting there were no Lambert out chants until the penalty went in, fact.
I can't quite work out whether you're an attention seeker, a nose or a plonker.
I suspect all three as they are far from mutually exclusive. Well, actually the first two are as you wouldn't want to draw attention to supporting that shower would you
Westley has an agenda/opinion he is backing to the hilt. that is his right - I don't agree with it but that is my agenda/opinion - I just wish he would answer the questions put to him - Are statistics facts Westley?
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .
The Sunderland 6-1 game is easily the highlight of Lambert's reign. We played some good attacking football in the second part of Lambert's first season and then we've just gone backwards. We've bought very little attacking talent since then when it's been painfully obvious that it was needed, which had been becoming more and more obvious until the point that it's blindingly obvious. I hope Lambert isn't still pulling out that line about how many goals there are in the team.
To be honest the biggest criticism levelled at the team after his first season was they couldn't defend.
The way I see it is if we're consigned to complete mediocrity for now because of financial poverty, we may as well be exciting in doing so. I really wouldn't mind getting turned over 4-1 once every couple of months if it comes from showing proper attacking intent week-in week-out because really, theoretically we should be capable of creating plenty of opportunities against most of the teams in the lower half of the table
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We're entering into December and only 3 players have scored for us in the league this season. 2 before today. Another unbeleivable statistic to throw at the current regime/manager/players.
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When was the last time we put any team to bed, that isn't our style, we score (sometimes) then for the rest of the game, whatever the score is sit deep and hope for the best.
Norwich 4-1 and the Sunderland 6-1 .
The Sunderland 6-1 game is easily the highlight of Lambert's reign. We played some good attacking football in the second part of Lambert's first season and then we've just gone backwards. We've bought very little attacking talent since then when it's been painfully obvious that it was needed, which had been becoming more and more obvious until the point that it's blindingly obvious. I hope Lambert isn't still pulling out that line about how many goals there are in the team.
To be honest the biggest criticism levelled at the team after his first season was they couldn't defend.
The way I see it is if we're consigned to complete mediocrity for now because of financial poverty, we may as well be exciting in doing so. I really wouldn't mind getting turned over 4-1 once every couple of months if it comes from showing proper attacking intent week-in week-out because really, theoretically we should be capable of creating plenty of opportunities against most of the teams in the lower half of the table
But this isn't even mediocrity - watch 90+ minutes of Aston Villa and tell me that is as good as mediocre and I will tell you what drugs you are taking = we are the worst Premiership club I have ever seen
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I really hope Lambert starts playing Cole and Grealish off Benteke with a third (probably Gabby over Weimann).
I suspect Cole will miss Tuesday.
Just wish we could be more confident about him featuring. His legs may have gone, but his vision and range of passing is far superior to anyone else in our midfield.
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I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.
You wonder if the useless bloke on the touch line sees this :-) for me he just yells 'retreat' for 15 minutes at half time.
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It was the middle of the night here in Australia, i was watching the rugby mainly but was flicking across now and then (90 mins of Villa these days is too depressing)
I was pretty pissed and thought we looked ok in the second half, then realised we were playing in white and then everything fell into place
Lambert please, please wake up this morning have look in the mirror and do the decent thing - you are embarrassing yourself and we are sleep walking towards relegation
Lerner should be banned from owning any other sporting club globally - the apathy i feel now towards the club i've followed all my life is shocking, i have nothing but respect for those who follow the team to places like Burnley, but frankly all of the fight, spirit and interest have left - proud history,bright future - thanks a bunch Randy!
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I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.
So if you can see this happens ROBBO and a lot of us would agree with you surely it is up to the Manager to sort it out. We have played exactly the same the whole season, it has not changed. The only time I am surprised is when mad stuff like
Bent coming on happens.
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I think we played a lot of good and inventive football today and not for the first time this season. But rather than it be cause for optimism it's actually a source of frustration for me that we see it so seldom. The ability appears to be there but the application from the coaching staff appears not to be.
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I wonder what exactly Paul Lambert's definition of "excellent" is?
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I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.
So if you can see this happens ROBBO and a lot of us would agree with you surely it is up to the Manager to sort it out. We have played exactly the same the whole season, it has not changed. The only time I am surprised is when mad stuff like
Bent coming on happens.
I certainly agree and would argue that it is not just this season that we have played that way. Taing a 1-0 lead in a game seems to be the signal to cease showing any attacking intent at all and just try and hold out.
I don't know if it comes from the coaching staff or if it is something the players have taken on themselves, but either way it isn't working. One of the main reasons being that apart from the back four and maybe Sanchez, the rest of the team are defensively inept. As Monday night showed, holding out on a 1-0 lead is not a great tactic when you are relying on the likes of Weimann and Agbonlahor to help out defensively and they are prone to switching off at any given moment.
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At 75 mins you just knew there would be another goal and it wouldn't be us, lucky to hang on for the draw in the end.
Shocking again from our useless manager, piss poor as fuckin usual.
We go again!!
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Watching the match on Sky. Sanchez was only incompetent 2/3 times in the first half however second half he is very poor.
What he does do well is to give the ball away time after time!
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I was actually starting to get all excited and believe that Lambert was on the verge of something i have never seen in over 50 years of following the Villa, a win at Turf Moor. Then i suddenly remembered how he sits back and hopes to hang on and i knew we would be lucky to avoid defeat.
Can anyone remember the last time we beat Palace at Sehlurst ?
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From what I can see the last time we beat Palace was September 1980, we won 1-0.
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I was encouraged by the performance of Grealish, he should have scored but so should many of his teamates, his positioning seems very good and he has good control, hate those short socks though.
Gabby to my mind has a short attention span he starts at a hundred miles an hour and slows to walking pace the second half thinking about the night ahead i suppose. Even though Jack did okay i thought the substitutions overall weakened us.
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I have a different take on the second half, i don't think Lambert deliberately sends them out to defend the lead what happens is that Gabby and Weimanns work rate drops off and they stop closing down giving the opposition more room. Weimann in particular doesn't do enough, he expends a lot of energy for little result. Cole in the first half gave us a glimse of what a good footballer looks like, great control, good foot skills and a footballing brain, oh for a couple of younger versions.
i think you've summed it up well. GA and Weimann do drop a lot deeper and it just invites teams on. Yesterday was a really good example of it.
Having said that, Grealish had the chance to be a hero right at the end and unfortunately didn't take it.
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The first half was as good as I've seen us for a while., we played some very good stuff at times. We were nowhere near as good in the second half though and that's what cost us. Another poor substitution bringing on Richardson for Weimann. N'Zogbia or Robinson might have been a better option. Joe Cole made a big difference, in the first half anyway. A point away from home is never a bad result but we should be beating sides like that.
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I think we played a lot of good and inventive football today and not for the first time this season. But rather than it be cause for optimism it's actually a source of frustration for me that we see it so seldom. The ability appears to be there but the application from the coaching staff appears not to be.
That's the thing for me. The players do have the capability to be upper mid table . It's as though they are being held back, played out of position and coached badly .
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First half we looked good but as Cole inevitably tired our performance dipped. The annoying thing is that we had the game won, they had a go at us for 20 minutes that we dealt with and we were looking comfortable until we got undone by a hopeful punt forward that 99 times out of 100 is just nodded clear.
Benteke getting sent us has arguably cost us points in 4 games now.
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Have we ever gone this far into a season with only 3 goal scorers? I can't bloody remember anything like it before.
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I think we played a lot of good and inventive football today and not for the first time this season. But rather than it be cause for optimism it's actually a source of frustration for me that we see it so seldom. The ability appears to be there but the application from the coaching staff appears not to be.
That's the thing for me. The players do have the capability to be upper mid table . It's as though they are being held back, played out of position and coached badly .
Confidence and a lack of leadership play a big part. You would hope that Vlaar or Senderos would not have been caught out like that at the end and that Delph would try to keep the midfield driving forward. That's a collective failure of players, coaches and management.
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As an aside to the game - massive respect for Danny Ings. There's a piece in today's Independent about how he was so inspired by the look of pure joy on a disabled lad's face when he gave the lad his match boots last year that he's set up a self-funded charitable foundation to help schools specialising in special educational needs. He's also led on the formation of Burnley's first adult disability football team. Just goes to show not all footballers are self absorbed arses
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As an aside to the game - massive respect for Danny Ings. There's a piece in today's Independent about how he was so inspired by the look of pure joy on a disabled lad's face when he gave the lad his match boots last year that he's set up a self-funded charitable foundation to help schools specialising in special educational needs. He's also led on the formation of Burnley's first adult disability football team. Just goes to show not all footballers are self absorbed arses
Nice, but I still don't like him.
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I thought the ref had a good game -considering it was his first premiership game - no complaints for any of his decisions. If we'd had Dowd or similar Okore would probably have seen red just to totally screw us up for another 3 games.
Robinson looked very sharp in the warm up - full of confidence - would have been interesting had he got the nod ahead of Grealish - would he have buried that late chance? Would have been very unfair on Grealish who deserves a chance.
Had we scored 2-3 in the first half they both could have had a chance in 2nd half.
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Have we ever gone this far into a season with only 3 goal scorers? I can't bloody remember anything like it before.
Probably not, but at least we looked creative yesterday for once and possibly only the second time this season.
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Have we ever gone this far into a season with only 3 goal scorers? I can't bloody remember anything like it before.
Probably not, but at least we looked creative yesterday for once and possibly only the second time this season.
True, but yet again we were undone when we gave up attacking and sat back and defended for our lives. Happens in every single game we play.
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Have we ever gone this far into a season with only 3 goal scorers? I can't bloody remember anything like it before.
That worries me as well. if Benteke had been fit and played every game this season, scoring at a rate of a goal every 2 games, we'd still only be on 13 or 14 goals. As many as Albion or Hull.
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I know and I am frustrated as anybody, but this morning I do at least feel a bit of hope given how we played for large parts. The results and manner of us dropping two points late on may be the same in Sputhampton and Burnley, but for me there is a world of difference in having none of the ball, one effort at goal and actually dominating with it and creating good goal scoring opportunities.
We know the players can do it, especially with Benteke back, but there just isn't the confidence from the manager that he can consistently churn out decent displays or learn from the lapses in concentration.
Fine margins, but and if (I know) for Ryan Mason, we may well be on at least 17 points, maybe more, and sat in the top half. The argument passes to that but for the manager we may be there anyway.
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It is very odd that we have had two Scottish managers back to back whose worst vices have been absolutely identical. Set up not to lose and if we get lucky nick a goal and hang on for the one nil. If you had been in suspended animation for the last two and a half years and you saw that game you would not have believed that McLeish had left.
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What I don't understand with that is we all knew what McLiesh was about. The negative football from Lambert isn't what impressed people during his spell at Norwich.
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I think most people saw an improvement in the first half, may have been a couple of reasons, (a) How poor Burnley are, or (b) a show of relief from the players that Keane had gone.
If it was (b) that makes you wonder what exactly has Lambert been doing, let me try to explain that a bit more.
Cole starting showed a change from the tried, tested and failed of the last 8 matches, may not have wanted Cole, but someone in that area that was more creative than N'Zog, then the substitution of Grealish for Cole when as expected Cole was blowing through his arse, was one we have been crying out for him to make, his other substitutions a bit muuaarrggh.
If this is what he wants but has not been getting, then surely he has to have the balls and the gumption to address it with his training staff, this time Keane, last time the other two muppets, to me it just shows a very weak man, who is not strong enough to stand up to his and I repeat his staff and direct them in a style of play, that best suits the available pool of talent he has at his disposal.
Or (a) it may have been Burnley are just crap, either way it shows the man is not up to managing Aston Villa, as he still could not get 3 points.
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I think he has been obliged to reinvent himself as a cap doffing yes man to hang on to his job. He ruled the roost at Norwich I imagine. At VP he rides to orders.
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That is a bit of what I am suggesting above Brian, he just seems to let other people make the decisions for him and even if they are making them incorrectly appears to do nothing about correcting it.
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We had 53% possession 7 shots on target and 5 corners so let's cling to this as a sign of improvement . We are unbeaten in 3 and have benteke back .
When is vlaar and Senderos back ?
Any news on Clark injury ?
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As an aside to the game - massive respect for Danny Ings. There's a piece in today's Independent about how he was so inspired by the look of pure joy on a disabled lad's face when he gave the lad his match boots last year that he's set up a self-funded charitable foundation to help schools specialising in special educational needs. He's also led on the formation of Burnley's first adult disability football team. Just goes to show not all footballers are self absorbed arses
Nice, but I still don't like him.
What I like is that he's called Danny Ings. It's like a Durrell's Palace type signing in Roy of The Rovers who accidentally ends up at the club and then scores a hatful. Beautiful comic book name.
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Based on the little I have seen of the game then I would say it was a more postive attacking performance at least in the first half. There is always a danger that if we don't get a second goal then we are the sort of team who will sit back and try to protect the lead the later the match draws on which I think against a team like Burnley was the wrong tactic. Once again we just lacked a bit of cutting edge, and got a little sloppy at the back. But I don't think it was a penalty it looked 50-50 to me. Once again it is a blow to not see the game out for that all important win and not puts more pressure on for Tuesday.
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Based on the little I have seen of the game then I would say it was a more postive attacking performance at least in the first half. There is always a danger that if we don't get a second goal then we are the sort of team who will sit back and try to protect the lead the later the match draws on which I think against a team like Burnley was the wrong tactic. Once again we just lacked a bit of cutting edge, and got a little sloppy at the back. But I don't think it was a penalty it looked 50-50 to me. Once again it is a blow to not see the game out for that all important win and not puts more pressure on for Tuesday.
It was a blatant foul and definite penalty.
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Based on the little I have seen of the game then I would say it was a more postive attacking performance at least in the first half. There is always a danger that if we don't get a second goal then we are the sort of team who will sit back and try to protect the lead the later the match draws on which I think against a team like Burnley was the wrong tactic. Once again we just lacked a bit of cutting edge, and got a little sloppy at the back. But I don't think it was a penalty it looked 50-50 to me. Once again it is a blow to not see the game out for that all important win and not puts more pressure on for Tuesday.
It was a blatant foul and definite penalty.
Oddly enough they didn't discuss the decission on MOTD. I just didn't think there was much in it. Not saying the player dived, just that it was more of a coming together than anything. I will take another look though.
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Based on the little I have seen of the game then I would say it was a more postive attacking performance at least in the first half. There is always a danger that if we don't get a second goal then we are the sort of team who will sit back and try to protect the lead the later the match draws on which I think against a team like Burnley was the wrong tactic. Once again we just lacked a bit of cutting edge, and got a little sloppy at the back. But I don't think it was a penalty it looked 50-50 to me. Once again it is a blow to not see the game out for that all important win and not puts more pressure on for Tuesday.
It was a blatant foul and definite penalty.
They showed several replays over here and it was pretty clear that Okore was the wrong side of the lumbering giant and pulled him down.
Oddly enough they didn't discuss the decission on MOTD. I just didn't think there was much in it. Not saying the player dived, just that it was more of a coming together than anything. I will take another look though.
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I don't think he pulled him down but as they had a coming together and started to fall, Okore's arms were on him. i don't think it caused the fall but what else could the referee do? penalty every time.
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In the Spurs, Southampton and Burnley games we all knew we would concede late on and its a terrible feeling knowing its 100% going to happen, Lambert in nearly two and a half years has proved to be a truly awful Villa manager, dont think I have ever felt so low in my 50 years of supporting my beloved club.
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I thought it was a definite pen - I also think another ref may have shown Okore a red card as he was the last man
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I don't think he pulled him down but as they had a coming together and started to fall, Okore's arms were on him. i don't think it caused the fall but what else could the referee do? penalty every time.
It was a nailed on penalty but I don't blame Okore. Both he and Clark excelled once again. Cisshoko gave away possession sloppily when it was easier to find a team mate. Cole's first half performance was fantastic. I thought he was a busted flush. A few 60 minute performances like that from him and I'll be chuffed. We can't keep approaching the 2nd halves of games as we do but when you have so little possession it saps the legs. Gabby's game is always run long before the final whistle.
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I thought it was a definite pen - I also think another ref may have shown Okore a red card as he was the last man
Ings didn't have control of the ball though so yellow is correct call.
Would also add the linesman did very well to not flag Cole offside, he looked off to me but the slo-mo shows it was a great call
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Only just got home from Burnley. My take on the game without reading through all the posts:
We were outstanding in the first half, particularly Joe Cole. Brilliant ball retention in midfield, but without Benteke we lacked the cutting edge which would have turned our superiority into more goals.
Second half Burnley stepped it up and fair play to their manager, he made some effective substitutions which swung the game back their way. It was a stupid penalty given away by Okore. Shame when he'd had such a dominant game, as did Hutton and Cleverley.
Personally I was embarrassed by the Lambert Out chants late in the game. Hardly helpful to the team when their backs were against the wall. Overall I didn't think our performance warranted it.
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Only just got home from Burnley. My take on the game without reading through all the posts:
We were outstanding in the first half, particularly Joe Cole. Brilliant ball retention in midfield, but without Benteke we lacked the cutting edge which would have turned our superiority into more goals.
Second half Burnley stepped it up and fair play to their manager, he made some effective substitutions which swung the game back their way. It was a stupid penalty given away by Okore. Shame when he'd had such a dominant game, as did Hutton and Cleverley.
Personally I was embarrassed by the Lambert Out chants late in the game. Hardly helpful to the team when their backs were against the wall. Overall I didn't think our performance warranted it.
Agree with all that, well apart from the 'just got home from Burnley' bit. I got home last night.
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@FBAwayDays: Top Premier League Away Followings this weekend:
1st: Aston Villa (4,046)
2nd: Newcastle (3,008)
3rd: Chelsea (2,978)
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It just doesn't make any sense to me why we shut up shop so early and invite all this pressure. When we were on the front foot in the first half we looked so much better.
I honestly don't think we've the legs to see it through, we just die on our arse after 70 minutes.
We do not manage the tempo of a game whatsoever.
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It just doesn't make any sense to me why we shut up shop so early and invite all this pressure. When we were on the front foot in the first half we looked so much better.
I honestly don't think we've the legs to see it through, we just die on our arse after 70 minutes.
We do not manage the tempo of a game whatsoever.
I fear you are right so the question then is what do they do in training to raise fitness levels to the point where we can manage 90 minutes? How do other teams do it? I wonder what dietary controls there are. I assume the basics like carbo loading the night before a match are looked after. Mind you, with Lambert in charge, it wouldn't surprise me if deep fried mars bars are on the menu and that Darren Bent always had seconds.
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
It's called second goal syndrome. We never get it!
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Gutted, frustrated and fu**ed off with the same old "tactics" whenever we have the lead and go into the last 30 minutes: stay deep, defend, lose possession too easily, lose all common sense.
Just before the penalty all Gabby had to do was keep the ball - he's a seasoned professional; he should be able to do that with his eyes closed and dominate the defender. Losing possession where he did, at that time in the game is a sin...but one he, and others, repeat endlessly.
Thought we were gonna cruise it at half time: spirits lifted, smiling faces all round the 4,000 Villa fans who were in great voice.
Then the inevitable.
Didn't join in the singing of "We want Lambert out" - I always try to be as positive in my support as I can - just depressed - but a great deal of very angry Villa fans around me.
Pity about the fighting amongst our own just behind me too...a really bad sign and a clear indication of the strong feelings and emotions we all feel about being let down on a regular basis.
Fantastic turn-out by our support...and we'll be there again on Tuesday.
Madness all round!
UTV!
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Ashley Westwood and Ciaran Clark were top of the pile when it came to star performers in the stats.
Westwood impressed offensively when the figures were analysed while Clark excelled in a host of defensive categories.
Special mention, also, to Alan Hutton, Tom Cleverley and Carlos Sanchez who also came up strongly in the post-game data.
Westwood was No.1 for passes with 61 successful from 71 in total. Cleverley was No.3 with 51 successful from 56 in total. Sanchez was No.4 with 47 successful from 51 in total.
Westwood was No.1 for attacking third passes with 19 successful from 20 in total. Joe Cole was No.3 with 15 successful from 19 in total. Cleverley was No.4 with 15 successful from 18 in total. Hutton was No.5 with 11 successful from 16 in total.
Sanchez was No.3 for take-ons with two successful from two attempted. Cleverley was No.4 with one successful from three attempted.
Westwood was No.3 for ball recoveries with eight, alongside Sanchez. Hutton was No.5 with seven.
Clark was No.2 for interceptions with four. Jores Okore was No.3 with three. Hutton was No.5 with one.
Hutton, Clark and Okore were joint No.3 for blocks with one.
Clark was No.1 for clearances with 15 successful from 15 attempted. Okore was No.3 with seven successful from seven attempted.
Clark was No.1 for aerial duels with five successful from six attempted. Hutton was No.4 with four successful from five attempted. Sanchez was No.5 with three successful from five attempted.
Cole was No.2 for shots with two in total, one on target and one goal. Andi Weimann was No.3 with four in total and two on target. Cleverley was No.5 with three in total and one on target.
Weimann was No.1 for chances created with two, one of which led to a goal. Cole was No.2 with four chances. Cleverley was No.3 with three chances. Hutton was No.4 with two chances.
Alan Cissokho was No.4 for tackles with three successful from four attempted.
Hutton to Westwood was our No.1 pass combination with 15, No.2 was Sanchez to Cleverley with 15 and No.3 was Westwood to Hutton with 14. No.4 was Cleverley to Cole with 12.
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And the only stats that matter.
Still can't score more than 1 per game.
Still can't close a game out.
And what the f%Īk is a "take-on"?
Bah Humbug to this Americanisation of football. Take your stats and shove them up your MLB ;)
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I was away all weekend gents and not online. Caught a little of final score. So how did Joe Cole play? I'm pleased he get a start, if only because he represents a type of player that is different to the normal Lambert game plan. If you play Cole you have to be a bit more considered on the ball.
Can we perhaps start getting a bit of positivity with him? Fitness wise did he look okay?
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I was away all weekend gents and not online. Caught a little of final score. So how did Joe Cole play? I'm pleased he get a start, if only because he represents a type of player that is different to the normal Lambert game plan. If you play Cole you have to be a bit more considered on the ball.
Can we perhaps start getting a bit of positivity with him? Fitness wise did he look okay?
If only there was something like a post-match thread that covered things like that. *winky*
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I was away all weekend gents and not online. Caught a little of final score. So how did Joe Cole play? I'm pleased he get a start, if only because he represents a type of player that is different to the normal Lambert game plan. If you play Cole you have to be a bit more considered on the ball.
Can we perhaps start getting a bit of positivity with him? Fitness wise did he look okay?
If only there was something like a post-match thread that covered things like that. *winky*
Ha ha.
I'm having a lazy moment. Hands up and admits. ha ha.
I'll have a read through tomorrow. From brief bits I've skimmed it seems fairly positive. For me it seems the ideal scenario for now. Play Cole, and replace with Grealish when he tires. There's very little other way to inject guile into the side.
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This is what I wrote about him.
Joe Cole showed 2 things today. Why Lambert signed him. And why virtually no one else wanted him.
Head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, real genuine quality. We played some of the best time in years in the first half and he was nearly always involved in it. Then he went on a run in the second half, not a long run, maybe a third of the pitch tops, and he was absolutely fucked after it. Slowly walking back to halfway line, hands on hips, bending over, everything to try and get his wind back. It didn't work as he was pretty much done after that run.
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This is what I wrote about him.
Joe Cole showed 2 things today. Why Lambert signed him. And why virtually no one else wanted him.
Head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, real genuine quality. We played some of the best time in years in the first half and he was nearly always involved in it. Then he went on a run in the second half, not a long run, maybe a third of the pitch tops, and he was absolutely fucked after it. Slowly walking back to halfway line, hands on hips, bending over, everything to try and get his wind back. It didn't work as he was pretty much done after that run.
Cheers.
I think we've got to wrap him in cotton wool. For want of money, he's the best play-maker we've got at the club. I can't see Zogbia's persistent blind alley runs creating, or anyone in our CM. Our fullbacks can't be relied upon doing it. Benteke will make chances for himself, but if he's got Cole helping him we might get some joy.
Use Cole sparingly but actually use him. Show more faith in Grealish. That will hopefully give us a little something between now and the Jan window. Not shutting down after going ahead would be good too.
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I thought Grealish did very well when he came on.
He looked happy to have the ball, used it cleverly, and didn't act like he wanted to get shot of it like someone who has just had a grenade land on their lap.
That contrasted hugely with most of the rest of the team, who seemed to be spending most of their time giving the ball straight back to the opposition.
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Jack did look comfortable on the ball, one slight criticism from me would be that I would have liked to have seen him take a man on more often, he rarely did yesterday and I think that is one of his strengths.
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I thought it was a definite pen - I also think another ref may have shown Okore a red card as he was the last man
Ings didn't have control of the ball though so yellow is correct call.
Technically true, as he was nowhere near the ball when Okore fouled Jutkiewicz.
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To be fair to Cole he is going to take a while to get fully fit but if yesterday is a taster of what is to come then things 'might' start to look a little better, particularly with Benteke available again. Having posted this I fully expect to see news of them running into each other in training and being crocked until February.
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That contrasted hugely with most of the rest of the team, who seemed to be spending most of their time giving the ball straight back to the opposition.
This has been prevalent for two seasons+ and a major downfall. When the top echelon have six or more players that are "comfortable on the ball" our nearest to that description has been Delph, and that's about it. Any statistics relating to N'Zogbia must provide depressing reading. Hopefully, Jack will be in the Cole mould - someone who can pause, think, change and create things. We could do with a lot more.
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I thought the goal would be disallowed as there must be some rule that Villa players are not allowed to make a well timed run to near post.
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I thought the goal would be disallowed as there must be some rule that Villa players are not allowed to make a well timed run to near post.
Was it the first time this season that a midfield player has made a run into the box to get in front of an attacker?
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
Been saying this since last season. I don't think we are as fit as we should be/compared to other teams. One report today re Keane's departure says it was a bust up about lack of intensity during training. Maybe a bit of truth there?
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To be fair to Cole he is going to take a while to get fully fit but if yesterday is a taster of what is to come then things 'might' start to look a little better, particularly with Benteke available again. Having posted this I fully expect to see news of them running into each other in training and being crocked until February.
"Joe Cole stepped on a plug today while putting his Christmas lights up and is now out for the season."
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
Been saying this since last season. I don't think we are as fit as we should be/compared to other teams. One report today re Keane's departure says it was a bust up about lack of intensity during training. Maybe a bit of truth there?
Lack of intensity - maybe, but it doesn't stop countless injuries occurring during it!
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
More a tactics thing. If you constantly give the ball away,and have to chase to get it back; you will be knackered come the 75th minute.
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
More a tactics thing. If you constantly give the ball away,and have to chase to get it back; you will be knackered come the 75th minute.
Completely agree - said something similar in the Lambert thread. The tactics or lack thereof are the cause and this is just another symptom of why sit back and hope is a disaster waiting to happen every single game. (As was the case under MON as well.)
Improved fitness might help a bit, but I suspect Keane's complaint about lacking intensity was as much to do with the quality of the training and the dedication to it / expectations of players to it.
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Grealish came on as a sub during the second half Saturday. I don't see why he can't start tomorrow. If we have a lead to protect later then giving Grealish a rest and bringing the more experience Cole on would make sense. Cole did play well at Turf Moor, but because of his age and injury record it is him who we need to use here and there.
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I thought Cole and Weimann linked up well in the first half. Hopefully Cole is fit to start on Tuesday.
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Weimann was useless on Saturday I thought but he is being played out of position. Gabby was awful too
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
Been saying this since last season. I don't think we are as fit as we should be/compared to other teams. One report today re Keane's departure says it was a bust up about lack of intensity during training. Maybe a bit of truth there?
Although Huttons fitness is at almost superhuman levels, he constantly runs 80yards forwards then back throughout the match, he must be absolutely knackered by the end.
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The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?
Been saying this since last season. I don't think we are as fit as we should be/compared to other teams. One report today re Keane's departure says it was a bust up about lack of intensity during training. Maybe a bit of truth there?
Although Huttons fitness is at almost superhuman levels, he constantly runs 80yards forwards then back throughout the match, he must be absolutely knackered by the end.
Very true and at 30 someone like Hutton will start picking up 1-2 more injuries through the season.
The fitness thing regarding the whole team is clear to see. I also think something about our medical/physio team is off too and perhaps what we're doing in training, or some of our facilities (the pitch?) could be contributing to our constant injury problems.
Lambert doesn't have enough players who can really go for 90 minutes. Gabby can't any more. Zogbia can't. Cole never could but is now 32 to boot, so can only manage 45, Richardson can't, Bent can't (manage 10 minutes at this level). We've got a couple of good athletes as fullbacks which is a blessing, but too many injury prone center-halves.
I don't think our midfield is dynamic/fit enough.
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I said back in the summer that the best signing we could make is the bloke that runs AC Milan's unit for keeping old players going long past their sell by date.