Burnley v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[silhillvilla]

I thought it was a definite pen - I also think another ref may have shown Okore a red card as he was the last man

Ings didn't have control of the ball though so yellow is correct call.

Would also add the linesman did very well to not flag Cole offside, he looked off to me but the slo-mo shows it was a great call

[Big Dick Edwards]

Only just got home from Burnley. My take on the game without reading through all the posts:
We were outstanding in the first half, particularly Joe Cole. Brilliant ball retention in midfield, but without Benteke we lacked the cutting edge which would have turned our superiority into more goals.
Second half Burnley stepped it up and fair play to their manager, he made some effective substitutions which swung the game back their way. It was a stupid penalty given away by Okore. Shame when he'd had such a dominant game, as did Hutton and Cleverley.
Personally I was embarrassed by the Lambert Out chants late in the game. Hardly helpful to the team when their backs were against the wall. Overall I didn't think our performance warranted it.

[Clampy]

Only just got home from Burnley. My take on the game without reading through all the posts:
We were outstanding in the first half, particularly Joe Cole. Brilliant ball retention in midfield, but without Benteke we lacked the cutting edge which would have turned our superiority into more goals.
Second half Burnley stepped it up and fair play to their manager, he made some effective substitutions which swung the game back their way. It was a stupid penalty given away by Okore. Shame when he'd had such a dominant game, as did Hutton and Cleverley.
Personally I was embarrassed by the Lambert Out chants late in the game. Hardly helpful to the team when their backs were against the wall. Overall I didn't think our performance warranted it.

Agree with all that, well apart from the 'just got home from Burnley' bit. I got home last night.

[silhillvilla]

@FBAwayDays: Top Premier League Away Followings this weekend:
1st: Aston Villa (4,046)
2nd: Newcastle (3,008)
3rd: Chelsea (2,978)

[LeeB]

It just doesn't make any sense to me why we shut up shop so early and invite all this pressure.  When we were on the front foot in the first half we looked so much better.

I honestly don't think we've the legs to see it through, we just die on our arse after 70 minutes.

We do not manage the tempo of a game whatsoever.

[devilla]

It just doesn't make any sense to me why we shut up shop so early and invite all this pressure.  When we were on the front foot in the first half we looked so much better.

I honestly don't think we've the legs to see it through, we just die on our arse after 70 minutes.

We do not manage the tempo of a game whatsoever.

I fear you are right so the question then is what do they do in training to raise fitness levels to the point where we can manage 90 minutes? How do other teams do it? I wonder what dietary controls there are. I assume the basics like carbo loading the night before a match are looked after. Mind you, with Lambert in charge, it wouldn't surprise me if deep fried mars bars are on the menu and that Darren Bent always had seconds.

[silhillvilla]

The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?

[Des Little]

The chronic 2nd half form , could it in part be a fitness thing ?

It's called second goal syndrome. We never get it!

[frankmosswasmyuncle]

Gutted, frustrated and fu**ed off with the same old "tactics" whenever we have the lead and go into the last 30 minutes: stay deep, defend, lose possession too easily, lose all common sense.
Just before the penalty all Gabby had to do was keep the ball - he's a seasoned professional; he should be able to do that with his eyes closed and dominate the defender. Losing possession where he did, at that time in the game is a sin...but one he, and others, repeat endlessly.

Thought we were gonna cruise it at half time: spirits lifted, smiling faces all round the 4,000 Villa fans who were in great voice.
Then the inevitable.
Didn't join in the singing of "We want Lambert out"  - I always try to be as positive in my support as I can - just depressed - but a great deal of very angry Villa fans around me.
Pity about the fighting amongst our own just behind me too...a really bad sign and a clear indication of the strong feelings and emotions we all feel about being let down on a regular basis.

Fantastic turn-out by our support...and we'll be there again on Tuesday.
Madness all round!

UTV!

[PeterWithesShin]

Ashley Westwood and Ciaran Clark were top of the pile when it came to star performers in the stats.

Westwood impressed offensively when the figures were analysed while Clark excelled in a host of defensive categories.

Special mention, also, to Alan Hutton, Tom Cleverley and Carlos Sanchez who also came up strongly in the post-game data.

Westwood was No.1 for passes with 61 successful from 71 in total. Cleverley was No.3 with 51 successful from 56 in total. Sanchez was No.4 with 47 successful from 51 in total.

Westwood was No.1 for attacking third passes with 19 successful from 20 in total. Joe Cole was No.3 with 15 successful from 19 in total. Cleverley was No.4 with 15 successful from 18 in total. Hutton was No.5 with 11 successful from 16 in total.

Sanchez was No.3 for take-ons with two successful from two attempted. Cleverley was No.4 with one successful from three attempted.

Westwood was No.3 for ball recoveries with eight, alongside Sanchez. Hutton was No.5 with seven.

Clark was No.2 for interceptions with four. Jores Okore was No.3 with three. Hutton was No.5 with one.

Hutton, Clark and Okore were joint No.3 for blocks with one.

Clark was No.1 for clearances with 15 successful from 15 attempted. Okore was No.3 with seven successful from seven attempted.

Clark was No.1 for aerial duels with five successful from six attempted. Hutton was No.4 with four successful from five attempted. Sanchez was No.5 with three successful from five attempted.

Cole was No.2 for shots with two in total, one on target and one goal. Andi Weimann was No.3 with four in total and two on target. Cleverley was No.5 with three in total and one on target.

Weimann was No.1 for chances created with two, one of which led to a goal. Cole was No.2 with four chances. Cleverley was No.3 with three chances. Hutton was No.4 with two chances.

Alan Cissokho was No.4 for tackles with three successful from four attempted.

Hutton to Westwood was our No.1 pass combination with 15, No.2 was Sanchez to Cleverley with 15 and No.3 was Westwood to Hutton with 14. No.4 was Cleverley to Cole with 12.

[Villa in Denmark]

And the only stats that matter.

Still can't score more than 1 per game.
Still can't close a game out.

And what the f%Īk is a "take-on"? 

Bah Humbug to this Americanisation of football. Take your stats and shove them up your MLB   

[supertom]

I was away all weekend gents and not online. Caught a little of final score. So how did Joe Cole play? I'm pleased he get a start, if only because he represents a type of player that is different to the normal Lambert game plan. If you play Cole you have to be a bit more considered on the ball.
Can we perhaps start getting a bit of positivity with him? Fitness wise did he look okay?

[PeterWithesShin]

I was away all weekend gents and not online. Caught a little of final score. So how did Joe Cole play? I'm pleased he get a start, if only because he represents a type of player that is different to the normal Lambert game plan. If you play Cole you have to be a bit more considered on the ball.
Can we perhaps start getting a bit of positivity with him? Fitness wise did he look okay?

If only there was something like a post-match thread that covered things like that. *winky*

[supertom]

I was away all weekend gents and not online. Caught a little of final score. So how did Joe Cole play? I'm pleased he get a start, if only because he represents a type of player that is different to the normal Lambert game plan. If you play Cole you have to be a bit more considered on the ball.
Can we perhaps start getting a bit of positivity with him? Fitness wise did he look okay?

If only there was something like a post-match thread that covered things like that. *winky*

Ha ha.
I'm having a lazy moment. Hands up and admits. ha ha.

I'll have a read through tomorrow. From brief bits I've skimmed it seems fairly positive. For me it seems the ideal scenario for now. Play Cole, and replace with Grealish when he tires. There's very little other way to inject guile into the side.

[PeterWithesShin]

This is what I wrote about him.

Joe Cole showed 2 things today. Why Lambert signed him. And why virtually no one else wanted him.
Head and shoulders above anyone else on the pitch, real genuine quality. We played some of the best time in years in the first half and he was nearly always involved in it. Then he went on a run in the second half, not a long run, maybe a third of the pitch tops, and he was absolutely fucked after it. Slowly walking back to halfway line, hands on hips, bending over, everything to try and get his wind back. It didn't work as he was pretty much done after that run.