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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: saunders_heroes on July 20, 2014, 12:14:33 PM
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Matt Law is tweeting that Ian Taylor has been left out of the US tour at
Lambert's request.
Has Taylor criticised Lambert in the press or something? I haven't seen anything
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I hope not. Tayls is a legend !
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Shame. He could have got a couple of games.
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Maybe our new Texan gazillionaire owners don't like him.
Or it could be a cost cutting exercise to save on an airfare and hotel bill.
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Why would Villa need him to go?
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Why would Villa need him to go?
Meeting US supporters clubs, I suppose. The thing is, he's been criticising the team and while that's perfectly understandable in normal circumstances, when you're a club employee it's hardly surprising that the manager might be annoyed if you're then part of the tour party.
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I agree Dave. I've never really understood what the club ambassador thing means. But you can't have a member of the club's personnel slagging off the side on twitter. I'm just not sure if he is a member of the club's personnel
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I agree Dave. I've never really understood what the club ambassador thing means. But you can't have a member of the club's personnel slagging off the side on twitter. I'm just not sure if he is a member of the club's personnel
I suppose his argument would be the usual "speaking in a personal capacity" get out, but that's not really the point. You can't take any employer's money, criticise them and expect to keep your job.
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I didn't even know he was employed by us. Thought he was an agent.
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Has he been sacked?
I noticed Hendrie was with the players on tour, I'm wondering if he now has Taylor's job.
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What has he said critical of Villa? I haven't really been keeping abreast of Villa developments since the end of last season.
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Twitter has been a disaster for many people. Do Villa pay Ian Taylor for whatever he does?
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Twitter has been a disaster for many people. Do Villa pay Ian Taylor for whatever he does?
Yup.
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There were a few 'unacceptable' and 'fuming' comments at the back end of last season
Of all the things lambert's done it would be mental to castigate him over this.
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Twitter has been a disaster for many people. Do Villa pay Ian Taylor for whatever he does?
Yup.
Oh dear! Then he is in the wrong in this case.
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Has he been sacked?
I noticed Hendrie was with the players on tour, I'm wondering if he now has Taylor's job.
God, I hope not! Surely the powers that be wouldn't be that daft!
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They just need the extra hotel room for our new signing.
Scratch Taylor
Insert Messi
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Where was it confirmed that Ian Taylor was going on the Texas tour?
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Has he been sacked?
I noticed Hendrie was with the players on tour, I'm wondering if he now has Taylor's job.
God, I hope not! Surely the powers that be wouldn't be that daft!
Has he been sacked?
I noticed Hendrie was with the players on tour, I'm wondering if he now has Taylor's job.
God, I hope not! Surely the powers that be wouldn't be that daft!
Has he been sacked?
I noticed Hendrie was with the players on tour, I'm wondering if he now has Taylor's job.
God, I hope not! Surely the powers that be wouldn't be that daft!
I know, but what other reason would he be there for?
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He retired ages ago. I know Ki has apparently turned us down, but surely we can do better than this?
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When I've heard him on the radio he always seems a little reserved and sits on the fence,so I'm surprised by this.
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From Lee Hendrie on Twitter
"@leehendrie77: Tails is still doing his same role. He couldn't attend this trip. So I've been lucky enough to be asked. I'm over the moon to be apart of it"
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Were all the other ex players busy ?
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I'm going to go pedantic on his ass, surely it's 'Tayls'.
Pedantry over.
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Taylor has had several 'digs' at lambert on twitter over the last few months of the season. He's a fan like us all and I don't blame him. The problem is he's also paid by villa to be an ambassador, so as much as I dislike Lambert I can see why he wouldn't want him there. Just another PR gaff to add to all the others.
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Taylor has had several 'digs' at lambert on twitter over the last few months of the season. He's a fan like us all and I don't blame him. The problem is he's also paid by villa to be an ambassador, so as much as I dislike Lambert I can see why he wouldn't want him there. Just another PR gaff to add to all the others.
It's not a 'gaff' at all. According to Lee Hendrie Taylor is unable to make the trip due to other commitments. According to an un-named media source he's not wanted because he's criticised the team, and indirectly the people who pay his wages. In those circumstances I wouldn't want him there either so I can't see how anyone can be blamed.
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This is an odd one if true. I have not seen the content of Taylor's tweets so cannot comment, but I do believe in freedom of speech and all, but nowadays there is always a line. If it is a choice between Taylor and Hendrie on the tour? Taylor all the way for me.
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Does it really matter who is carrying out the Ambassadorial role over there? As long as it's not Hodge of course.
After all, all they have to do is shake hands with people and say nice things about us and how wonderful their club is. He's hardly going to be involved with the playing side of things is he?
And let's face it, for all his faults L'il Lee is Villa through and through.
Just for the record I'd rather believe Hendrie's version than some journo I've never heard of.
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Taylor has had several 'digs' at lambert on twitter over the last few months of the season. He's a fan like us all and I don't blame him. The problem is he's also paid by villa to be an ambassador, so as much as I dislike Lambert I can see why he wouldn't want him there. Just another PR gaff to add to all the others.
It's not a 'gaff' at all. According to Lee Hendrie Taylor is unable to make the trip due to other commitments. According to an un-named media source he's not wanted because he's criticised the team, and indirectly the people who pay his wages. In those circumstances I wouldn't want him there either so I can't see how anyone can be blamed.
Did you miss the bit of my post where I said I can understand why lambert doesn't want him there? What I mean by PR gaff is that it's just more perceived bad news that potentially could of been avoided if the communication was right. As I said, I can see it from Lambert's perspective.
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Oh and by better communication I mean the club. Ian Taylor is employed by villa, so he could have tweeted today clarifying it all. Brian Doogan could have said something. The vacuous nature of the whole club leads to speculation and sometimes unfair criticism as they are too slow to react.
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Taylor has had several 'digs' at lambert on twitter over the last few months of the season. He's a fan like us all and I don't blame him. The problem is he's also paid by villa to be an ambassador, so as much as I dislike Lambert I can see why he wouldn't want him there. Just another PR gaff to add to all the others.
It's not a 'gaff' at all. According to Lee Hendrie Taylor is unable to make the trip due to other commitments. According to an un-named media source he's not wanted because he's criticised the team, and indirectly the people who pay his wages. In those circumstances I wouldn't want him there either so I can't see how anyone can be blamed.
Did you miss the bit of my post where I said I can understand why lambert doesn't want him there? What I mean by PR gaff is that it's just more perceived bad news that potentially could of been avoided if the communication was right. As I said, I can see it from Lambert's perspective.
I read all of your post and by 'gaff' you implied mistake. It isn't their fault if Taylor is saying nothing nothing about it or if the story, such as it is, unfolded while Brian Doogan was 35,000 feet in the air,
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Taylor has had several 'digs' at lambert on twitter over the last few months of the season. He's a fan like us all and I don't blame him. The problem is he's also paid by villa to be an ambassador, so as much as I dislike Lambert I can see why he wouldn't want him there. Just another PR gaff to add to all the others.
It's not a 'gaff' at all. According to Lee Hendrie Taylor is unable to make the trip due to other commitments. According to an un-named media source he's not wanted because he's criticised the team, and indirectly the people who pay his wages. In those circumstances I wouldn't want him there either so I can't see how anyone can be blamed.
Did you miss the bit of my post where I said I can understand why lambert doesn't want him there? What I mean by PR gaff is that it's just more perceived bad news that potentially could of been avoided if the communication was right. As I said, I can see it from Lambert's perspective.
I read all of your post and by 'gaff' you implied mistake. It isn't their fault if Taylor is saying nothing nothing about it or if the story, such as it is, unfolded while Brian Doogan was 35,000 feet in the air,
The gaff being Taylor not tweeting if it isn't true and leaving it to Hendrie who is now unbelievably getting abused by people on twitter. Wtf?! Doogan isn't still in the air, yet nothing. I stand by it, IMO the club have once again dropped the ball.
Oh and very telling Taylor hasn't tweeted. Been told that's because it's true, back to my other point, I guess it's Lambert's prerogative who he wants there and I get that. Just makes him look a little insecure and paranoid IMO
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Lee Hendrie enjoying his ambassadorial role:
http://bit.ly/1mtnq8P
and he is still orange!
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Taylor has had several 'digs' at lambert on twitter over the last few months of the season. He's a fan like us all and I don't blame him. The problem is he's also paid by villa to be an ambassador, so as much as I dislike Lambert I can see why he wouldn't want him there. Just another PR gaff to add to all the others.
It's not a 'gaff' at all. According to Lee Hendrie Taylor is unable to make the trip due to other commitments. According to an un-named media source he's not wanted because he's criticised the team, and indirectly the people who pay his wages. In those circumstances I wouldn't want him there either so I can't see how anyone can be blamed.
Did you miss the bit of my post where I said I can understand why lambert doesn't want him there? What I mean by PR gaff is that it's just more perceived bad news that potentially could of been avoided if the communication was right. As I said, I can see it from Lambert's perspective.
I read all of your post and by 'gaff' you implied mistake. It isn't their fault if Taylor is saying nothing nothing about it or if the story, such as it is, unfolded while Brian Doogan was 35,000 feet in the air,
The gaff being Taylor not tweeting if it isn't true and leaving it to Hendrie who is now unbelievably getting abused by people on twitter. Wtf?! Doogan isn't still in the air, yet nothing. I stand by it, IMO the club have once again dropped the ball.
Oh and very telling Taylor hasn't tweeted. Been told that's because it's true, back to my other point, I guess it's Lambert's prerogative who he wants there and I get that. Just makes him look a little insecure and paranoid IMO
They can't MAKE Ian Taylor tweet, bleat or do anything else he doesn't want to and make your mind up. Either Lambert is right or he's "insecure and paranoid"
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Who made the decision to take the orange midget along.He does seem to be getting a face down VP.From personal experience it's the last place he wants to be.
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Seeing as apart from speculative press stories we only have Lee Hendrie's version of events, it would appear Ian Taylor had other commitments and Hendrie has taken his place. Although this has allowed room for press speculation, without the benefit of hindsight I am not sure I would have seen the need for Taylor or the club to put out an official press release saying a club ambassador can't make a pre season tour. It is hardly a big deal, especially as someone else has stepped in to perform the role. But Ian Taylor has definitely been publicly critical of his employers on more than one occasion and in my working life I have had more than one contract of employment or staff handbook of rules and regulations that had that as a disciplinary offence and ultimately possibly a sacking offence.
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
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Seeing as apart from speculative press stories we only have Lee Hendrie's version of events, it would appear Ian Taylor had other commitments and Hendrie has taken his place. Although this has allowed room for press speculation, without the benefit of hindsight I am not sure I would have seen the need for Taylor or the club to put out an official press release saying a club ambassador can't make a pre season tour. It is hardly a big deal, especially as someone else has stepped in to perform the role. But Ian Taylor has definitely been publicly critical of his employers on more than one occasion and in my working life I have had more than one contract of employment or staff handbook of rules and regulations that had that as a disciplinary offence and ultimately possibly a sacking offence.
I agree with that. However why is it left it Hendrie to tweet AFTER getting abuse and not a simple tweet from Brian Doogan who is head of media. Too often the club says nothing and allows speculation to grow and non stories to become stories.
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
Where do you draw the line at what should and shouldn't be discussed - every bit of gossip? Every unverified transfer story? As Damo said, what kind of story is "Minor club official can't meet fans?" Lee Hendrie has said that Taylor can't make the trip and unless he himself says otherwise then that's fair enough.
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Nice to see Kozak has made the trip. I wonder how far off he is as regards to full training.
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If any other member of staff employed by Villa had made the comments made by Tayls at the end of last season they would be investigated, disciplined and quite possibly dismissed.
The club has a very strict policy on social media use and they make sure it is adhered to.
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Lee Hendrie enjoying his ambassadorial role:
http://bit.ly/1mtnq8P
and he is still orange!
Was that Benteke in the cap?
Good to see Kozak over there aswell, keep the injured lads involved and part of stuff.
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Lee Hendrie enjoying his ambassadorial role:
http://bit.ly/1mtnq8P
and he is still orange!
Was that Benteke in the cap?
Good to see Kozak over there aswell, keep the injured lads involved and part of stuff.
yep. Great to see him walking around, and Kozak
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
Where do you draw the line at what should and shouldn't be discussed - every bit of gossip? Every unverified transfer story? As Damo said, what kind of story is "Minor club official can't meet fans?" Lee Hendrie has said that Taylor can't make the trip and unless he himself says otherwise then that's fair enough.
You could add that the club cannot be expected to cover every social media network and fans website 24/7 ........ or do we? I am getting tired of 'non news' being magnified, dissected and twisted to suit any given 'opinion', just because the club do not communicate on everything.
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
Where do you draw the line at what should and shouldn't be discussed - every bit of gossip? Every unverified transfer story? As Damo said, what kind of story is "Minor club official can't meet fans?" Lee Hendrie has said that Taylor can't make the trip and unless he himself says otherwise then that's fair enough.
In your opinion. We have differing ones. I've read 4 tweets from national journos now, all slating Lambert, so whilst you consider it a non story (and maybe it is) it's making waves on twitter and therefore again IMO it would be Brian Doogan's role to say something and not Lee Hendries. You're a clever guy. Do you not think Taylor would of tweeted something if it wasn't true? So for me it's not about discussing things, that's for us lot to do as fans in places like this and on twitter. The club have a responsibilty to handle these matters media matters promptly and have a damage limitation approach. As it is they once again leave themselves wide open to criticism when the focus should be on the positive.
If we're going to say nothing, or leave it to ex players, I fail to see the point of Doogan.
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Lee Hendrie enjoying his ambassadorial role:
http://bit.ly/1mtnq8P
and he is still orange!
Was that Benteke in the cap?
Good to see Kozak over there aswell, keep the injured lads involved and part of stuff.
I think Kozak isn't that far away from being fit. I know he's training, just too early for actual matches. As you say, good to keep them involved.
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
Where do you draw the line at what should and shouldn't be discussed - every bit of gossip? Every unverified transfer story? As Damo said, what kind of story is "Minor club official can't meet fans?" Lee Hendrie has said that Taylor can't make the trip and unless he himself says otherwise then that's fair enough.
You could add that the club cannot be expected to cover every social media network and fans website 24/7 ........ or do we? I am getting tired of 'non news' being magnified, dissected and twisted to suit any given 'opinion', just because the club do not communicate on everything.
I think that's a fair point, however I know they monitor twitter at the very least, so if you've got national journos making comments then it may be worth a quick tweet to clarify the situation and put to bed any unsubstantiated gossip.
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At some stage of the tour Hendrie will stagger up to Mr Keane, at the bar, and slur 'I woz as good as yeuw y'know'
Mr Keane will give him a very long stare and then turn his back on the orange tanned one.
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
Where do you draw the line at what should and shouldn't be discussed - every bit of gossip? Every unverified transfer story? As Damo said, what kind of story is "Minor club official can't meet fans?" Lee Hendrie has said that Taylor can't make the trip and unless he himself says otherwise then that's fair enough.
In your opinion. We have differing ones. I've read 4 tweets from national journos now, all slating Lambert, so whilst you consider it a non story (and maybe it is) it's making waves on twitter and therefore again IMO it would be Brian Doogan's role to say something and not Lee Hendries. You're a clever guy. Do you not think Taylor would of tweeted something if it wasn't true? So for me it's not about discussing things, that's for us lot to do as fans in places like this and on twitter. The club have a responsibilty to handle these matters media matters promptly and have a damage limitation approach. As it is they once again leave themselves wide open to criticism when the focus should be on the positive.
If we're going to say nothing, or leave it to ex players, I fail to see the point of Doogan.
You could equally say would Taylor have tweeted something if it was true? It strikes me as a story being made out of nothing and exaggerated by a few people who don't like Lambert.
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
Where do you draw the line at what should and shouldn't be discussed - every bit of gossip? Every unverified transfer story? As Damo said, what kind of story is "Minor club official can't meet fans?" Lee Hendrie has said that Taylor can't make the trip and unless he himself says otherwise then that's fair enough.
You could add that the club cannot be expected to cover every social media network and fans website 24/7 ........ or do we? I am getting tired of 'non news' being magnified, dissected and twisted to suit any given 'opinion', just because the club do not communicate on everything.
I think that's a fair point, however I know they monitor twitter at the very least, so if you've got national journos making comments then it may be worth a quick tweet to clarify the situation and put to bed any unsubstantiated gossip.
The media are out there to make comments to get reactions from clubs so that they get drawn in to create bigger stories. So much in the media is just guesswork these days, or outright lies, that the club cannot comment on every bit of 'news' related to the club.
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It's not actually a story is it? Exclude people chatting on the internet and I doubt anyone is aware of it, so there is no really need for clarifications or statements from the club in my opinion.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
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Exclude people chatting on the internet and I doubt anyone is aware of it
I wonder what percentage of football stories that applies to.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
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Exclude people chatting on the internet and I doubt anyone is aware of it
I wonder what percentage of football stories that applies to.
huge, I'd have thought. I have no idea what is occupying spurs fan's minds for example but I bet they're debating something 'important' on their discussion boards too. It's only when it gets printed or on a few choice websites (bbc/mail/guardian) that it enters the consciousness of other football fans.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.
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Exclude people chatting on the internet and I doubt anyone is aware of it
I wonder what percentage of football stories that applies to.
huge, I'd have thought. I have no idea what is occupying spurs fan's minds for example but I bet they're debating something 'important' on their discussion boards too. It's only when it gets printed or on a few choice websites (bbc/mail/guardian) that it enters the consciousness of other football fans.
Indeed
Although I can guess precisely what Spurs fans are doing on the internet - being wankers. Which is what they are.
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I said I can SEE it from Lambert's perspective, but it's not black and white and I don't need to make my mind up, I can think and see both sides. He may be right, but for me it makes him look sensitive to any sort of criticism, that's what fans and journos are now saying on twitter. Taylor only said what lambert himself said at the end of the season. Not good enough, must improve etc etc
Rather than talking about a positive tour and how that will help preparations, people are now taking about this. IMO could of been handled better. It's all about opinions though...
Where do you draw the line at what should and shouldn't be discussed - every bit of gossip? Every unverified transfer story? As Damo said, what kind of story is "Minor club official can't meet fans?" Lee Hendrie has said that Taylor can't make the trip and unless he himself says otherwise then that's fair enough.
In your opinion. We have differing ones. I've read 4 tweets from national journos now, all slating Lambert, so whilst you consider it a non story (and maybe it is) it's making waves on twitter and therefore again IMO it would be Brian Doogan's role to say something and not Lee Hendries. You're a clever guy. Do you not think Taylor would of tweeted something if it wasn't true? So for me it's not about discussing things, that's for us lot to do as fans in places like this and on twitter. The club have a responsibilty to handle these matters media matters promptly and have a damage limitation approach. As it is they once again leave themselves wide open to criticism when the focus should be on the positive.
If we're going to say nothing, or leave it to ex players, I fail to see the point of Doogan.
You could equally say would Taylor have tweeted something if it was true? It strikes me as a story being made out of nothing and exaggerated by a few people who don't like Lambert.
And this is the point, the story, as it's being run, is angled to make Lambert and by extension the club look bad. The Vlaar 'links' and all the references to the bomb squad are to do the same. A lot of the media have had an agenda against the club because Lerner doesn't talk to them which means everything that can be given a negative spin gets jumped on, regardless of how accurate it is.
It's easy to criticise the club for not controlling the media but the reality is we can either take the stance of ignoring almost everything or responding to almost everything. Villa, like our current owner, have gone for the former, which is a perfectly reasonable stance.
Communications is probably the first area to get slagged when things aren't going well, with the constant "I'm a season ticket holder I deserve to be told about x, y, z" but then if they do announce something it's either wrong or "don't tell me, show me".
For example if the club had said before the flight that Taylor wasn't travelling due to other commitments but a journo already had the story and tweeted it anyway loads of fans would believe the journalist ahead of the club, so why bother?
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.
I don't know, but surely it makes more sense to check that something is actually true (Villa paying for Kendrick to go with them) before suggesting it is wrong morally (with the weight that the word 'morally' carries, I mean)?
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.
Whoever they work for pays.
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Exclude people chatting on the internet and I doubt anyone is aware of it
I wonder what percentage of football stories that applies to.
huge, I'd have thought. I have no idea what is occupying spurs fan's minds for example but I bet they're debating something 'important' on their discussion boards too. It's only when it gets printed or on a few choice websites (bbc/mail/guardian) that it enters the consciousness of other football fans.
Out of curiosity, I just checked - apparently Ugo Ehiogu is their new u-21 coach.
They're talking about other things as well, but that's what mainly caught my eye.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
That's the point.
If he's an employee of the club and wants to stay one, then what he should say is absolutely nothing.
it's not about him being 110% Villa, it's about him being 100% an employee of the club.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.
Whoever they work for pays.
Really? Then I take it back. I am surprised. Football must be an unusual business where Journo's papers/parent media company on promotion tours pay for their own trips.
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Its pretty hard not to be critical of the Club at the moment, it is drifting along trying to make do.
I agree, as much as I like Tayls, if you take the company shilling then you have to tow the company line. Lee is playing in the fans match in Dallas on Wednesday.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.
Whoever they work for pays.
Really? Then I take it back. I am surprised. Football must be an unusual business where Journo's papers/parent media company on promotion tours pay for their own trips.
It isn't a promo, though. It's news.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.
I don't know, but surely it makes more sense to check that something is actually true (Villa paying for Kendrick to go with them) before suggesting it is wrong morally (with the weight that the word 'morally' carries, I mean)?
Indeed. I could have sworn when I saw Kendrick in Portland he was part of the Villa entourage and even thanked the club on AVTV for sending him. But Dave would for sure know better than me and I trust his experience over my dodgy memory. Best to assume I got this one wrong.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.
Whoever they work for pays.
Really? Then I take it back. I am surprised. Football must be an unusual business where Journo's papers/parent media company on promotion tours pay for their own trips.
It isn't a promo, though. It's news.
Ah ok. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
That's the point.
If he's an employee of the club and wants to stay one, then what he should say is absolutely nothing.
it's not about him being 110% Villa, it's about him being 100% an employee of the club.
it's really not that hard to understand. You've put it rather well. I agree entirely about the legend thing too. A good player, sometimes very good, and a fan which we all love. But Brian Little is a fan and a legend. Ian Taylor falls short of that.
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Avoiding having a mass of multi quotes, I think that's a fair thing to say. Some people will find any excuse to point the finger at lambert, however I think it's just the general state of affairs that make these smaller things seem more prominent. Take this instance. Lambert says everyone is starting this season a fresh , slates wiped clean etc but then seemingly holds a grudge with the clubs ambassador. If it was isolated, I'm not so sure people would be as bothered. PL could of had a quiet word with Taylor and said, look I need you on board, we're all in this together etc. This just creates pointless and avoidable distractions.
**Post refers to last 2 points on page 2 as I didn't see page 3
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You don't get it, your reply there is exactly what I mean. You've already decided it's true despite his replacement giving a perfectly reasonable alternative suggestion. Therefore you're one of the people finding any excuse to point fingers at Lambert.
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As much as I admire Ian Taylor, you cannot bite the hand that feeds. Even though he was telling the truth!! Lambert is a shit Manager and bought a load of crap that he isn't capable of coaching. My loyalty will always be with those that support the club. Fuck Lambert.
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That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
Nobody's getting too upset by my omission form the tour, and I was never a great player but 110% Villa.
Well, 108% now - O'Neill has a lot to answer for.
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Has anyone got a record of the tweets that are supposed to have caused such offence? I vaguely remember a couple at the end of last season that I didn't think were that bad but in retrospect that was probably because I thought the same thing or much worse at the time.
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Ian Taylor will still be going to Villa matches long after Lambert has left, so I couldn't really care if he has put PL's nose out of joint.
I get that Tayls is on the payroll, but I think I'd be far more disappointed if he wasn't critical about some of the absolute dross served up last season.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth
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Avoiding having a mass of multi quotes, I think that's a fair thing to say. Some people will find any excuse to point the finger at lambert, however I think it's just the general state of affairs that make these smaller things seem more prominent. Take this instance. Lambert says everyone is starting this season a fresh , slates wiped clean etc but then seemingly holds a grudge with the clubs ambassador. If it was isolated, I'm not so sure people would be as bothered. PL could of had a quiet word with Taylor and said, look I need you on board, we're all in this together etc. This just creates pointless and avoidable distractions.
**Post refers to last 2 points on page 2 as I didn't see page 3
Yeah but in that text you've assumed that Taylor was told not to attend and ignored the alternative theory that he has other commitments. Isn't he also an agent? I'd imagine that his other clients would be pretty pissed off if he went to the states and neglected their big move to [insert club].
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth
And another point is missed.
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I really don't think his twits were seriously bad, saying a performance was unacceptable is pretty much spot on
If Lambert can't handle a bit of mild criticism like that he needs to fuck of out of it,
I don't care about this 'hand that feeds you' bullshit, he said what was right in a not to disrespectfull way
I have been a big supporter of Lambert and still am, but if he Is really as threatened as this then he's not the man I thought,
That's if it's true of course
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I really don't think his twits were seriously bad, saying a performance was unacceptable is pretty much spot on
If Lambert can't handle a bit of mild criticism like that he needs to fuck of out of it,
I don't care about this 'hand that feeds you' bullshit, he said what was right in a not to disrespectfull way
I have been a big supporter of Lambert and still am, but if he Is really as threatened as this then he's not the man I thought,
That's if it's true of course
Happens in most walks of life though doesn't it? There have been disciplinary actions against people at the place I work due to them posting negative and critical comments about the organisation on social media.
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A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.
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A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.
I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does
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A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.
I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does
All true. ...and his face does resemble a tomato.
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Whatever business you're in you can't expect to bite the hand that feeds you and be surprised if there are consequences.
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A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.
I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does
Maybe so, but you tend to get a feel if someone is going to be like that and try and avoid giving them the satisfaction they so obviously crave.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth
And another point is missed.
Please dont try to patronise me, I am entitled to my opinion surely
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Has anyone got a record of the tweets that are supposed to have caused such offence? I vaguely remember a couple at the end of last season that I didn't think were that bad but in retrospect that was probably because I thought the same thing or much worse at the time.
I don't think they were bad either, particularly given his enthusiastic tweets about keane joining etc afterwards. Anyway this is the only negative one I remember.
"Ian Taylor @IanTaylor7 · May 11
#THFC 3 #AVFC 0 Shocking. Our amazing fans don't deserve what they've got this season. They were superb again today. It's not good enough"
Honestly I find this frozen out thing very hard to believe. Ken McNaught has said far far worse on air while commentating for AVTV.
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Taylor have critical of the club on Talksport.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
So he should have said that Villa had a good season and were unlucky not to be higher up in the table eh? Thankfully he speaks as he finds and told the truth
And another point is missed.
Please dont try to patronise me, I am entitled to my opinion surely
You're not being patronised. You're being disagreed with.
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Disagreed with, but without a point, rather strange eh?
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26/4 after Swansea away
“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”
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Disagreed with, but without a point, rather strange eh?
What do you mean by that? Nobody's saying he was wrong, nobody's saying he should keep quiet. The point, the one being debated, is that nobody can expect to criticise their employer without comeback.
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
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Disagreed with, but without a point, rather strange eh?
What do you mean by that? Nobody's saying he was wrong, nobody's saying he should keep quiet. The point, the one being debated, is that nobody can expect to criticise their employer without comeback.
Criticism, do you honestly feel that the two tweets people have found warrant Taylor to be left behind ?
It's so absurd weak willed and small minded, I can't actually believe it's happened,
like Hendry says Taylor couldn't make it and and for the time being that's what I'm going to believe happened
Because what Taylor had said in his inoffensive tweets is not criticism that warrants any action
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.
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A guy at my place got the sack for saying the boss' head looked like a tomato from his work email address.
I bet the boss was a right twat though wasn't he
You know the sort that can't take any criticism because he's rubbish at what he does
All true. ...and his face does resemble a tomato.
You could get the sack for that !
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26/4 after Swansea away
“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”
Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.
So he is supposed to toe the line and say exactly what?
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@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)
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26/4 after Swansea away
“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”
Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.
Lambert has said the same, perhaps even more bluntly. So yes I think his recognition that things have to change is a good thing.
"I don't want another season like this or last year, this club cannot have another one," he said. "I understand what could happen, I'm not naive.
"I never came here for it to be like this. Off the pitch, the finances are a lot healthier, that's progress in itself. But things haven't progressed the way I've wanted, I didn't come here for it to be like this. It can't keep doing this."
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.
So he is supposed to toe the line and say exactly what?
How many more times do I have to say it? He can say whatever he likes, it's up to him. But - he gets paid by Aston Villa to be the club ambassador. To put Aston Villa in a good light. If he then publicly criticises Aston Villa there's a good chance the people who pay his wages might think their money could be better spent elsewhere. That's the choice he makes.
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.
If it was personal, abusive or over the top criticism I would agree with you
I don't agree that he should 'expect' this sort of comeback from what I've seen him tweet so far
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.
If it was personal, abusive or over the top criticism I would agree with you
I don't agree that he should 'expect' this sort of comeback from what I've seen him tweet so far
Twitter isn't the only medium in the world. He has a Mail column for a start.
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26/4 after Swansea away
“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”
Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.
Lambert has said the same, perhaps even more bluntly. So yes I think his recognition that things have to change is a good thing.
"I don't want another season like this or last year, this club cannot have another one," he said. "I understand what could happen, I'm not naive.
"I never came here for it to be like this. Off the pitch, the finances are a lot healthier, that's progress in itself. But things haven't progressed the way I've wanted, I didn't come here for it to be like this. It can't keep doing this."
So what has Ian Taylor done wrong? Very strange
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.
So he is supposed to toe the line and say exactly what?
He is the club's ambassador and needs to be more tactful. That's the easy thing to understand. Not sure why you are disagreeing? I think Taylor has only said what many of us are thinking. But, as the club's ambassador, he needs to be more thoughtful. As a fan, and an individual, as a non-employee even, he can say what he likes. In short, he represents the club, not the fans. That said, pro-Taylor, screw Lambert.
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You don't get it, your reply there is exactly what I mean. You've already decided it's true despite his replacement giving a perfectly reasonable alternative suggestion. Therefore you're one of the people finding any excuse to point fingers at Lambert.
Not any excuse. I've already said I can see it from his perspective, however it could have been handled better and of course it's true. If it wasn't Ian Taylor would have tweeted not true and then something about his bloody headphones. I know via Paul F he was told to not go and given Taylor not denying it, I'm taking an educated guess he wasn't invited. It's an OPINION, it may differ from yours, but hey ho, that's life. Lambert has done enough wrong in 2 years without needing this to hammer him with.
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@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)
Hopefully, outgoings very soon then. Carruthers out on loan, Tonev and Luna out full stop. Also, hopefully, outgoings mean incomings!!
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
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Seems26/4 after Swansea away
“@IanTaylor7: Time to get real!! The table doesn't lie!! We're in the deep stuff!! #AVFC #fuming http://twitter.com/IanTaylor7/status/460128329098866688/photo/1”
Nothing either controversial or untrue in that. A bit more of that level of honesty and passion from those running the club would be a good thing.
Lambert has said the same, perhaps even more bluntly. So yes I think his recognition that things have to change is a good thing.
"I don't want another season like this or last year, this club cannot have another one," he said. "I understand what could happen, I'm not naive.
"I never came here for it to be like this. Off the pitch, the finances are a lot healthier, that's progress in itself. But things haven't progressed the way I've wanted, I didn't come here for it to be like this. It can't keep doing this."
So what has Ian Taylor done wrong? Very strange
My opinion? He has done nothing wrong, except bail from a tour because of his other business commitments.
Until proven otherwise I do not believe the story he was asked not to come.
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?
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So now you have made your point and I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
I've just told you - he could have said whatever he wanted. He can carry on saying it. But, as I've said several times, he cannot expect to criticise the manager, the team and ultimately those who pay his wages without being in danger of a comeback.
If it was personal, abusive or over the top criticism I would agree with you
I don't agree that he should 'expect' this sort of comeback from what I've seen him tweet so far
Twitter isn't the only medium in the world. He has a Mail column for a start.
We'll I agree there must be some more to it than a couple of non descript tweets
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?
If I believed he could do the job well then yes.
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?
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If I believed he could do the job well then yes.
I haven't got a problem with Lee hendrie either
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that.
I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that.
I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.
We don't know if Taylor isn't there because of his other work.
If it is because of things he said, we don't know what Tayls said that has pissed someone off. We don't know who he pissed off. We don't know who decided he shouldn't go on the tour.
However my point was aimed at those who seem to think Taylor can speak with impunity rather than have potential comebacks from his employers. It doesn't matter if I, or all of us, agree with what he said, he is paid by Aston Villa to do a job for Aston Villa and if they aren't happy with him for whatever reason then I can see why he isn't on the tour. Which again, is far from proven as being the case anyway.
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So is it fact that he was asked to not attend? Hendrie suggested that he other commitments.
I'd imagine he earns more from being an agent than the villa gig so it doesn't surprise me he is prioritising other parts of his business portfolio.
Why is everyone assuming that he was barred from attending, what article or announcement have I missed?
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@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)
What is up with Tonev?
Featured at Mansfield, is he on the move?
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@MatKendrick: Luna, Tonev & Carruthers are the notable absentees from the #avfc squad in Texas. And Vlaar, of course, who is having a well-earned rest. And Robinson. (Tour thread or 14-15 thread?)
What is up with Tonev?
Featured at Mansfield, is he on the move?
Maybe Mansfield liked what they saw and made Villa an offer.
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that.
I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.
We don't know if Taylor isn't there because of his other work.
If it is because of things he said, we don't know what Tayls said that has pissed someone off. We don't know who he pissed off. We don't know who decided he shouldn't go on the tour.
However my point was aimed at those who seem to think Taylor can speak with impunity rather than have potential comebacks from his employers. It doesn't matter if I, or all of us, agree with what he said, he is paid by Aston Villa to do a job for Aston Villa and if they aren't happy with him for whatever reason then I can see why he isn't on the tour. Which again, is far from proven as being the case anyway.
Fair enough. I have it pretty much from the horses mouth that he was told he wasn't welcome on the tour. However I agree with the second paragraph, he does leave himself open when commenting on the club. I think if there wasn't so much uncertainty in general then this wouldn't be an issue...would it?!
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So is it fact that he was asked to not attend? Hendrie suggested that he other commitments.
I'd imagine he earns more from being an agent than the villa gig so it doesn't surprise me he is prioritising other parts of his business portfolio.
Why is everyone assuming that he was barred from attending, what article or announcement have I missed?
No announcement as such. Matt law tweeted he was angry to learn Taylor had been told not to attend. This was followed by a few other journos tweeting. Twitter then went into overdrive.
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So is it fact that he was asked to not attend? Hendrie suggested that he other commitments.
I'd imagine he earns more from being an agent than the villa gig so it doesn't surprise me he is prioritising other parts of his business portfolio.
Why is everyone assuming that he was barred from attending, what article or announcement have I missed?
No announcement as such. Matt law tweeted he was angry to learn Taylor had been told not to attend. This was followed by a few other journos tweeting. Twitter then went into overdrive.
While the rest of the world went on with its business, not giving a toss.
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Firstly lambert doesn't employ him, the club does and secondly Lambert agreed with all that Taylor said (we're not good enough and we need to improve, the fans deserve better etc) so I don't get what Lambert's problem is. Is he that sensitive?! If true and I think it is, then he needs to be bigger than that.
I get the ambassador bit, however you could flip that and say he in his role was pointing out what we were all saying and thinking, he'd look like comical Ali if he started tweeting all Is well and things are looking rosey. Lambert needs to grow a pair of balls and stop sulking. Clean slate for everyone bar Taylor by the look of it. What's wrong with having it out with him and then moving on. He's got form for this kind of thing at Norwich and very very lucky to still have a job, but that's a whole other debate.
We don't know if Taylor isn't there because of his other work.
If it is because of things he said, we don't know what Tayls said that has pissed someone off. We don't know who he pissed off. We don't know who decided he shouldn't go on the tour.
However my point was aimed at those who seem to think Taylor can speak with impunity rather than have potential comebacks from his employers. It doesn't matter if I, or all of us, agree with what he said, he is paid by Aston Villa to do a job for Aston Villa and if they aren't happy with him for whatever reason then I can see why he isn't on the tour. Which again, is far from proven as being the case anyway.
Fair enough. I have it pretty much from the horses mouth that he was told he wasn't welcome on the tour. However I agree with the second paragraph, he does leave himself open when commenting on the club. I think if there wasn't so much uncertainty in general then this wouldn't be an issue...would it?!
Define "pretty much" please?
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This is the start of the don't mess with Keane campaign.
Who's next?
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Let's be honest, it's not really twitter going into overdrive, is it?
It'll be a few people moaning for a bit, maybe TBAR going into meltdown (thus involving the 20 or so people online there at any one time), and a bit of tutting on a few other forums.
Is anyone really, really that bothered?
If we're being honest?
Strikes me there are about 500 more important things to be bothered about regarding Villa at the moment, but maybe I'm missing the point somewhere.
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9 pages on this?
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9 pages on this?
Nothing on the telly.
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9 pages on this?
10 now.
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Ah bollocks.
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So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
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So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?
Why not? Lee Hendrie has never said a bad word about Villa as far as I can see and regularly turns out for the Legends team or whatever they are called.
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Let's be honest, it's not really twitter going into overdrive, is it?
It'll be a few people moaning for a bit, maybe TBAR going into meltdown (thus involving the 20 or so people online there at any one time), and a bit of tutting on a few other forums.
Is anyone really, really that bothered?
If we're being honest?
Strikes me there are about 500 more important things to be bothered about regarding Villa at the moment, but maybe I'm missing the point somewhere.
I'm pretty sure if i looked it up on Twitter i would find close to bollock all on it. Or has Miley Cyrus got our Tayls back? That man shits gold you know.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
We didn't bleat when Graham Taylor ripped into the club whilst employed.
Most of us agreed with the 'time warp' comments by John Gregory.
We all knew David James and Gareth Southgate were right.
The club is at the edge and unless people within are at last prepared to speak up then we could find ourselves even more in the dark. We have become a joke in the last 5 years so its time we heard the truth.
This twat yank and his administration are putting our club in a situation matched only by the mid 1960's and I would encourage whistleblowers within every strata of the club to man up, we need people that care to prove it because this is as fucked up as anything under that old bastard ellis.
Fair fucks to Ian Taylor.
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I will say again if he had come out with tosh that it had been a decent season us fans (as he is) would have thought wtf you talking about. What do you suggest he should have said about last season?
A quote from Henry Wotton, "An ambassador is an honest man sent to lie abroad for the commonwealth"
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There's nothing on newsnow so it can't be that relevant or newsworthy seeing as the engine that carries all Aston Villa news doesn't have any news on it.
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Right, I admit to having better things to do involving a pub garden, The Open and cricket on my phone, but who exactly has said that Taylor was thrown off the tour by Lambert and are they in anyway a good source of reliable information?
I did a bit of Twitter over the afternoon but it seemed to me that people were just being dead angry without actually knowing any facts. No surprise there then.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
We didn't bleat when Graham Taylor ripped into the club whilst employed.
Most of us agreed with the 'time warp' comments by John Gregory.
We all knew David James and Gareth Southgate were right.
The club is at the edge and unless people within are at last prepared to speak up then we could find ourselves even more in the dark. We have become a joke in the last 5 years so its time we heard the truth.
This twat yank and his administration are putting our club in a situation matched only by the mid 1960's and I would encourage whistleblowers within every strata of the club to man up, we need people that care to prove it because this is as fucked up as anything under that old bastard ellis.
Fair fucks to Ian Taylor.
The thing is, it's possible to agree with what you say about the current administration - and I do, more or less - whilst still not being surprised by Taylor being left off the tour.
Yes, fair do's to him for being so honest.
I admire him for it.
However, at the same time, I am not even remotely surprised if it is true Lambert wanted him off the tour. I don't blame him for a second. For his preparations for the season, he'd have around the camp someone who has made it clear how much he is in disagreement with his methods.
Taylor has every right to say he is unhappy with the way things are going - which Villa fan wouldn't be? - but he can not then expect to proceed as an employee of the club as if nothing has happened.
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
We didn't bleat when Graham Taylor ripped into the club whilst employed.
Most of us agreed with the 'time warp' comments by John Gregory.
We all knew David James and Gareth Southgate were right.
The club is at the edge and unless people within are at last prepared to speak up then we could find ourselves even more in the dark. We have become a joke in the last 5 years so its time we heard the truth.
This twat yank and his administration are putting our club in a situation matched only by the mid 1960's and I would encourage whistleblowers within every strata of the club to man up, we need people that care to prove it because this is as fucked up as anything under that old bastard ellis.
Fair fucks to Ian Taylor.
The thing is, it's possible to agree with what you say about the current administration - and I do, more or less - whilst still not being surprised by Taylor being left off the tour.
Yes, fair do's to him for being so honest.
I admire him for it.
However, at the same time, I am not even remotely surprised if it is true Lambert wanted him off the tour. I don't blame him for a second. For his preparations for the season, he'd have around the camp someone who has made it clear how much he is in disagreement with his methods.
Taylor has every right to say he is unhappy with the way things are going - which Villa fan wouldn't be? - but he can not then expect to proceed as an employee of the club as if nothing has happened.
I'd be intrigued to hear Taylor's side of it.
What's to say he didn't want to continue under the current regime.
If the rumours are true, then well done Ian Taylor. Let's face it, it's not like he needs the money is it?
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What difference does it make if he wanted to continue under the current regime?
If this is true, he's criticised the club which employs him. That's the key to it.
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What difference does it make if he wanted to continue under the current regime?
If this is true, he's criticised the club which employs him. That's the key to it.
It makes a difference if he was bothered about losing his job.
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So the internet goes into meltdown over some Twitter message from some journo looking for a story.
Who in the great scheme of things Aston Villa gives a flying f*ck about who is carrying out the Club Ambassador role on a pre season tour?
Yes, obviously a lot of you on here and other social media. Oh, sorry I forgot it's the silly season, something that seems to come around with regular monotony when discussing Aston Villa.
Time to get back to discussing more serious matters, like our impending relegation at the end of a season that hasn't even started yet. or that Randy might sell the club to a bunch of charlatans.
As I've said before on here.....Twitter= Twatter.
Haven't you got more important things to occupy your minds than an internet rumour?
Now where's that sarcastic emoticon?
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Twitter overdrive. That made me laugh. It needs to filed with us being a national laughing stock, whatever that even means nowadays.
Outside of Villa fans nobody goes two shits about this because in the grand scheme of things this is such a non story being made into something way, way bigger than it is. And what did Ian Taylor even do on these tours that is so critical to the trip? This really isn't a big deal. The season needs to start as soon as possible so we have something legitimate to moan about.
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I'd swear if Max Clifford hadn't been shamed and located in the slammer that he had something to do with Lee hendrie being flavour of the month. I find this the most bizarre part of the story
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Although I utterly detest them one of the most amusing chants has to be 'there's only one Ian Taylor' by the manure fans at Villa Park. Within ten minutes of his introduction as sub we were 3-2 down in THAT game.
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I follow Tayls on Twitter and I've listened to him whenever he's been on the Phone in's with Tom Ross and unless I've missed something, he hasn't really said anything too controversial anyway. You could tell by some of his tweets last season that he was disappointed with the results but who wasn't?
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So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.
Where are these tweets of Taylor criticising the club ?
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Ian Taylor has not said anything controversial. Just stated the obvious. 'We have to do better' etc etc. Steve Bull quite often said things of that nature when Wolves were falling apart. But he is a genuine lad just as Ian Taylor is.
But I agree that if you are being paid by the club at any level you must toe the line or accept the consequences.
Lambert appears to adopting a siege mentality in the hope that things will improve for himself and the club.
As he was not prepared to resign it is probably the right thing to do.
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So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.
Where are these tweets of Taylor criticising the club ?
He will have deleted them by now.
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Good job we've got Roy Keane with us now. He'd never criticise his employers
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So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.
Where are these tweets of Taylor criticising the club ?
On his twitter feed at the end of last season.
It was the manager he was criticising.
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What difference does it make if he wanted to continue under the current regime?
If this is true, he's criticised the club which employs him. That's the key to it.
It makes a difference if he was bothered about losing his job.
The job he hasn't actually lost.
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So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.
Where are these tweets of Taylor criticising the club ?
On his twitter feed at the end of last season.
It was the manager he was criticising.
He probably thought Lambert was on his way out so it was easier to rip into him. A bit like what Matt Kendrick did. He also tore into him at the end of the season thinking he'd be sacked. I bet they both feel a bit uncomfortable now they still have to deal with him at the Villa.
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I'd be interested who actually got Hendrie involved or did he just write to the club asking to come on the trip for a jolly as he might be short of cash again....
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I thought I heard that Hendrie was going over as co-commentator for Woodward. I don't think he's a replacement, but seems to have agreed to do those duties in Taylor's absence.
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I'd be interested who actually got Hendrie involved or did he just write to the club asking to come on the trip for a jolly as he might be short of cash again....
Hendrie is playing in the fans game, it might simply be that the club realised he was going to be there anyway and decided to use him seeing as the usual ambassador wasn't available, that seems to be the simple answer.
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So what is the role of an ambassador. Criticising the club doesn't fall under the job description I would have thought, unless that is what the club want to put out.
And there you go, OMVF, the best description of the issue we've seen today. That's exactly it.
Where are these tweets of Taylor criticising the club ?
On his twitter feed at the end of last season.
It was the manager he was criticising.
I follow Taylor on twitter, I must of missed the tweets where he criticises Lambert
And I certainly never read anything which was bad enough for Lambert to fall out with him
Until yesterday my image of Taylor was someone who has always been supportive of the club,
And I haven't seen anything yet to change my mind
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I thought Taylor couldn't go for personal reasons? Why is this thread so long?!
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Why is this thread so long?!
Because we are all really sad and have bugger all better to do.
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I thought Taylor couldn't go for personal reasons? Why is this thread so long?!
Because 2+2 must never be allowed to = 4.
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how's the cricket going?
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135-4
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Why has Taylor not travelled ?
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Why has Taylor not travelled ?
He's a Chelsea fan these days.
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I'd be interested who actually got Hendrie involved or did he just write to the club asking to come on the trip for a jolly as he might be short of cash again....
A bit harsh, he has been involved with the Old Stars for quite a while now and the club clearly still mean a lot to him (and with all the demons he's wrestled with in recent years, a role like this probably makes him realise how he frittered away what should have been the peak years of his career).
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Isn't Lee Hendrie a nose ?
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Probably. Why?
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For a 'nose', I haven't seen many players who enjoyed scoring for the Villa as much as lil Lee did.
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Isn't Lee Hendrie a nose ?
If he is he hides it well.
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Why has Taylor not travelled ?
Because everything at Villa is shit of course.
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Why has Taylor not travelled ?
Because everything at Villa is shit of course.
But he's our club ambassador , he should be rising above that.
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Whoosh!
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Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.
I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.
re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.
However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.
It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.
I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.
And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.
That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say
He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.
We didn't bleat when Graham Taylor ripped into the club whilst employed.
Most of us agreed with the 'time warp' comments by John Gregory.
We all knew David James and Gareth Southgate were right.
The club is at the edge and unless people within are at last prepared to speak up then we could find ourselves even more in the dark. We have become a joke in the last 5 years so its time we heard the truth.
This twat yank and his administration are putting our club in a situation matched only by the mid 1960's and I would encourage whistleblowers within every strata of the club to man up, we need people that care to prove it because this is as fucked up as anything under that old bastard ellis.
Fair fucks to Ian Taylor.
House!
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House!
Dammit, I was one "how far have we fallen" away :(
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I was still waiting on 'sleepwalking into oblivion'.
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I'd be interested who actually got Hendrie involved or did he just write to the club asking to come on the trip for a jolly as he might be short of cash again....
A bit harsh, he has been involved with the Old Stars for quite a while now and the club clearly still mean a lot to him (and with all the demons he's wrestled with in recent years, a role like this probably makes him realise how he frittered away what should have been the peak years of his career).
You see I always have to pull up these types of posts. Exactly how did he fritter his peak years away? He played over 250 (or so) times in one of Europe's top divisions, played for England Under 21s and got one full cap. He left when he was around 30 at a time when Lerner's money was starting to be spent by O'Neill. He left Villa but it was never the same for him but rather than just pack it in he continued (continues? Dave C? Dave W?) to play down the pyramid in lower non-league.
He frittered nothing away footballing wise and has had an excellent career. The type most players would be envious of.
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It's probably due to comparison with his peers. While he was playing for the u21s, the midfield was normally Hendrie, Gerrard and Lampard.
In comparison to those two, I think it's fair to say that he didn't necessarily achieve what he might have done.
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He left Villa but it was never the same for him but rather than just pack it in he continued (continues? Dave C? Dave W?) to play down the pyramid in lower non-league.
Think he might now have retired but he was last seen, at the end of last season, playing for Basford United.
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It's probably due to comparison with his peers. While he was playing for the u21s, the midfield was normally Hendrie, Gerrard and Lampard.
In comparison to those two, I think it's fair to say that he didn't necessarily achieve what he might have done.
I agree, when we saw Hendrie breaking through into the first team in the late 90s I think it would've been fair to assume that his career was going to go differently, his career record should look a lot more like that of Paul Scholes. I know a few people who were friends with him in the late 90s-early 00s and they all gave the impression of him being a famous football player for whom the first word was the most important of the 3. Yes he still had a solid premier league career but he could've had a lot more.
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If he'd been managed by Alex Ferguson he would have won fifty caps and a suitcaseful of medals. Most players would be envious of his career, but every one of them has a fraction of his talent.
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He liked birds, beer and curry too much to change into a real winner on the pitch
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Hendrie seemed to start well with Gregory and he also started well when O Leary was here, before fading. Never quite fit with SGT2's very rigid style and it was the same under O Neill who likes a winger either side and a solid bank of 4 in mid. No real room for a floating player, or a number 10.
It's a shame really that we didn't quite adapt quickly enough stylistically. Hendrie could have been an excellent number 10. Or an inside left winger, a bit like Nasri. For me lil Lee was at his best playing on the left and cutting in.
His attitude and commitment didn't always help him. Shame though because when he came through the U-21's along with Stevie Me and Fwank, he didn't look out of place at all and his full debut promised a lot too.
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Should have achieved more than he did, he was a very decent footballer and in fairness not the only one who has made bad choices off the pitch.
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I always compare his attitude with Gareth Barry's attitude. they both broke through around the same time and Hendrie was the better prospect. Barry had his problems when he first got into the first team - I seem to remember a drink driving ban and after that he got his head down and grafted and reaped the rewards. If Hendrie had a little of Barry's application then he'd still be playing at the highest level.
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Hendrie had a decent career at the Villa, he was basically finished as a top flight player by the time he was 28/29. The talent he had he should have had a great career.
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I always compare his attitude with Gareth Barry's attitude. they both broke through around the same time and Hendrie was the better prospect. Barry had his problems when he first got into the first team - I seem to remember a drink driving ban and after that he got his head down and grafted and reaped the rewards. If Hendrie had a little of Barry's application then he'd still be playing at the highest level.
I doubt at 37 he'd still be playing at the highest level no matter how good his attitude had been.
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I will always remember Hendrie's first start; coming on and getting sent off at Loftus Road, seeing Nigel Spink come on and play up front.
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If I employed someone and paid them a pretty decent wage to be an ambassador for my business and to positively promote it, if they were saying things about it that I didn't agree and I viewed as negative then i'd fuck them off pretty quick. I'd have thought just about anyone would.
Would you then employ Lee Hendrie?
If I believed he could do the job well then yes.
An ambassador has to be someone who is widely respected.
Lee Hendrie was a decent player, and although everyone is entitled to their own opinions on the man, there is absolutely no way Lee Hendire could be described as widely respected. Having him fronting club PR brings ridicule on the club, and creates the impression management haven't got a @&&%# clue what they are doing. Oh... hold on...
If he needs a job let him cut the grass or something, but please get him off the internet fronting the clubs PR.
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Is Lee Hendrie is our new club ambassador then ? Crazy if true
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How do you know that Hendrie is doing a bad job of having his picture taken in front of burger bars in Texas?
That is essentially all that is being done, the odd snap with a local (who has no idea who he or Taylor is) holding a shirt. Why we have to have the tedious over analysis of this I have no idea. The notion that this is another sign for [delete as applicable] how far we have fallen/sunk to our lowest ebb/etc is a joke.
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Ian Taylor has tweeted....
#VTID...... #Backinplay #AVFC
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How do you know that Hendrie is doing a bad job of having his picture taken in front of burger bars in Texas?
That is essentially all that is being done, the odd snap with a local (who has no idea who he or Taylor is) holding a shirt. Why we have to have the tedious over analysis of this I have no idea. The notion that this is another sign for [delete as applicable] how far we have fallen/sunk to our lowest ebb/etc is a joke.
The end result is certainly a bad job because so many supporters who have to see pictures of him day in day out as a club ambassador are pissed off by it. It's all about the image of the club and he is, unfortunately, not the image the club should be projecting
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I will always remember Hendrie's first start; coming on and getting sent off at Loftus Road, seeing Nigel Spink come on and play up front.
I had completely forgotten that day, was it the Saturday before Christmas?
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How do you know that Hendrie is doing a bad job of having his picture taken in front of burger bars in Texas?
That is essentially all that is being done, the odd snap with a local (who has no idea who he or Taylor is) holding a shirt. Why we have to have the tedious over analysis of this I have no idea. The notion that this is another sign for [delete as applicable] how far we have fallen/sunk to our lowest ebb/etc is a joke.
The end result is certainly a bad job because so many supporters who have to see pictures of him day in day out as a club ambassador are pissed off by it. It's all about the image of the club and he is, unfortunately, not the image the club should be projecting
I would question anybody who feels the need to go out of the way to feel pissed off. I ask again, what has Hendrie done in his role of standing outside burger joints in Texas that projects the club in a bad light?
As for so many supporters comment... really? Beyond a tiny percentage of Villa fans who use thse forums, how many actually know and how many actually care about any of this?
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I will always remember Hendrie's first start; coming on and getting sent off at Loftus Road, seeing Nigel Spink come on and play up front.
I had completely forgotten that day, was it the Saturday before Christmas?
Now you're asking. I think Little was in charge and I can certainly remember us losing 1-0, but I cannot for the life of me remember the date.
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It was the Saturday before Christmas.
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Another example of the curse of the claret shorts if I recall corectly.
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I've mentioned this before but I met Lee Hendrie once. It was in a chip shop one evening and my son had been born that morning. He signed and dated an autograph for him on a piece of fish and chip paper and he was a very nice, polite and humble guy. Speak as you find and all that.
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I've mentioned this before but I met Lee Hendrie once. It was in a chip shop one evening and my son had been born that morning. He signed and dated an autograph for him on a piece of fish and chip paper and he was a very nice, polite and humble guy. Speak as you find and all that.
You were in the right plaice at the right time then.
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I've mentioned this before but I met Lee Hendrie once. It was in a chip shop one evening and my son had been born that morning. He signed and dated an autograph for him on a piece of fish and chip paper and he was a very nice, polite and humble guy. Speak as you find and all that.
You were in the right plaice at the right then.
;D
It was my regular chippy and apparently it was his too but by a strange quirk of fate that particular day, which was obviously very special to me, was the only time I ever bumped into him. I did bump into his wife (the private plate on the Range Rover outside gave her away) in the One Stop a while afterwards. She let me go in front of her as I was only buying a paper. Attractive girl. She dropped something and went to pick it up. Nice backside and a rather fetching black thong. As in underwear, that isn't a euphemism suggesting I saw more than I did.
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I have met him in Risa on Broad Street and he was drunk and a bit of a knob. Like most blokes who a drunk in fairness.
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I would imagine most of us would would have been a bit of a knob at times if at his age we were playing Premier League football and earning his wages.
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I have met him in Risa on Broad Street and he was drunk and a bit of a knob. Like most blokes who a drunk in fairness.
He probably remembered your disastrous spell in charge.
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I have met him in Risa on Broad Street and he was drunk and a bit of a knob. Like most blokes who a drunk in fairness.
He probably remembered your disastrous spell in charge.
I for one know I haven't stopped drinking since that blot on our history. Worst manager ever.
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I would imagine most of us would would have been a bit of a knob at times if at his age we were playing Premier League football and earning his wages.
Seems to be a pre-requisite for the rising English footballer, almost as if it's written into F.A law that our young players have to act like complete pots of toss.
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You'd be drinking the sweet taste of success if I were still in charge.
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Reading between the lines of this thread I take it that you lot wouldn't be happy with any ex Villa player who has blotted his copybook representing the club as chief meeter and greeter.
Now let me think, who could be in line for the job.
Charlie Athersmith maybe?
Oh no not him, he once had an argument with the manager and also was seen in the Witton Arms having a pint and smoking a fag.
Think yourselves lucky you don't support Man Ure, in a few years time they could have a granny shagger as their ambassador. I'll take Lee Hendrie over that any day.
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Well I like Hendrie. I'm glad he's back doing something with Villa because he clearly loves the club. That he was a young kid with too much money doesn't bother me in the slightest. I'm sure with better people around him it would have been different. But I'm still amazed at how he can be so easily vilified whilst someone like Barry who dragged the club through the gutter press after previously wanting to leave twice, is lauded for his attitude.
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Hendrie and Ben Petty are mates as they came through the ranks together
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Yeah Hendrie does come across as a bit of a dick but I've never been sure what heinous crime he committed
But then I don't have a problem with Barry either
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How do you know that Hendrie is doing a bad job of having his picture taken in front of burger bars in Texas?
That is essentially all that is being done, the odd snap with a local (who has no idea who he or Taylor is) holding a shirt. Why we have to have the tedious over analysis of this I have no idea. The notion that this is another sign for [delete as applicable] how far we have fallen/sunk to our lowest ebb/etc is a joke.
The end result is certainly a bad job because so many supporters who have to see pictures of him day in day out as a club ambassador are pissed off by it. It's all about the image of the club and he is, unfortunately, not the image the club should be projecting
I would question anybody who feels the need to go out of the way to feel pissed off. I ask again, what has Hendrie done in his role of standing outside burger joints in Texas that projects the club in a bad light?
As for so many supporters comment... really? Beyond a tiny percentage of Villa fans who use thse forums, how many actually know and how many actually care about any of this?
I think quite a significant proportion - if it was someone like Tayls or Aitken or McNaught or Mortimer, players who really deserve our respect, then there wouldn't be any comments against. I wish him all the best but not representing the face of our club.
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Would someone please answer me this. What has Lee Hendrie done to make himself so unpopular? Has he gone missing and missed games? Gone onto the pitch pissed? Had a string of convictions for public order offences? That's the sort of thing that should make a former player unfit to represent the club. Either that or be the most popular of the lot, one or the other.
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Would someone please answer me this. What has Lee Hendrie done to make himself so unpopular? Has he gone missing and missed games? Gone onto the pitch pissed? Had a string of convictions for public order offences? That's the sort of thing that should make a former player unfit to represent the club. Either that or be the most popular of the lot, one or the other.
It seems to me that the people who don't like him base it on either personal experience of meeting him or hearsay. Personally, I never met him, never really heard anything about him other than generalisations, but I liked him as a player for us and that's all I use as my criteria.
No, wait, he did wave to me and my mate as we passed his car after the Walsall pre-season friendly one year, so therefore he's ace.
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Would someone please answer me this. What has Lee Hendrie done to make himself so unpopular? Has he gone missing and missed games? Gone onto the pitch pissed? Had a string of convictions for public order offences? That's the sort of thing that should make a former player unfit to represent the club. Either that or be the most popular of the lot, one or the other.
The incident in the pre season friendly at Walsall during DoL's tenure is the only thing I can think of. I wasn't there but I remember posters saying he should never wear the shirt again, and so on.
I have met him quite a few times when he was on the lash and thought he was alright.
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I met him once when he came to a friend's birthday bash at some club. He was fine. My mate said he was sound most of the time but was occasionally a bit of a knob, but as I said before, I bet nearly everyone of us would have been now and again earning his money and playing Premier League football in our early 20s. I bet most of us were anyway when we'd had a few even without the excuse of money and fame.
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Nothing wrong with him, just seems a bit of a strange choice to be some sort of Villa "ambassador". A bit like Man United choosing, I dunno, Lee Sharpe as their poster boy.
Mind you, at least Lee Sharpe supported Villa as a kid.
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Well his dad played for Blues so it stands to reason that he would support Blues as a kid. I think the problem with Lee Hendrie is that many of our supporters do not think he is worthy of a role at Villa Park. Obviously Ian Taylor conducts himself properly and therefore is respected and well liked by the Villa fans.
But does it matter in the general run of things? We have a lot more to worry about than that Ithink.
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I met him once when he came to a friend's birthday bash at some club. He was fine. My mate said he was sound most of the time but was occasionally a bit of a knob, but as I said before, I bet nearly everyone of us would have been now and again earning his money and playing Premier League football in our early 20s. I bet most of us were anyway when we'd had a few even without the excuse of money and fame.
Spot on. How many of us can say we have never ever acted like a bit of a knob? Especially when drink was involved. Add into that the fact that due to his fame and reputation some people would have been quite happy to watch and wait for him to show any sign of being knob. The one thing I do like about how this thread has developed is the opportunity to bring back into fashion the word 'knob'.
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I met him once when he came to a friend's birthday bash at some club. He was fine. My mate said he was sound most of the time but was occasionally a bit of a knob, but as I said before, I bet nearly everyone of us would have been now and again earning his money and playing Premier League football in our early 20s. I bet most of us were anyway when we'd had a few even without the excuse of money and fame.
Spot on. How many of us can say we have never ever acted like a bit of a knob? Especially when drink was involved. Add into that the fact that due to his fame and reputation some people would have been quite happy to watch and wait for him to show any sign of being knob. The one thing I do like about how this thread has developed is the opportunity to bring back into fashion the word 'knob'.
I was hoping for the return of that heinous slur 'wally'.
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I met him once when he came to a friend's birthday bash at some club. He was fine. My mate said he was sound most of the time but was occasionally a bit of a knob, but as I said before, I bet nearly everyone of us would have been now and again earning his money and playing Premier League football in our early 20s. I bet most of us were anyway when we'd had a few even without the excuse of money and fame.
Spot on. How many of us can say we have never ever acted like a bit of a knob? Especially when drink was involved. Add into that the fact that due to his fame and reputation some people would have been quite happy to watch and wait for him to show any sign of being knob. The one thing I do like about how this thread has developed is the opportunity to bring back into fashion the word 'knob'.
I was hoping for the return of that heinous slur 'wally'.
I had a humorous book as a kid called 'How to be a wally'. Whilst genuinely being against homophobia I do miss the schoolboy word 'bummer'. I have a thirteen year old son who informs me that bummers are now known as 'gaybods'.
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On a point of order, is it "knob" or "nob"?
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On a point of order, is it "knob" or "nob"?
I think of a nob as being a posh person. A knob is a dickhead in my opinion. Dickhead, another wonderful word that isn't used enough these days. I even know the literal Spanish translation of dickhead having lived in a Spanish speaking country for a couple of years. Capullo. Not sure of the spelling but Cap pull yo is how you say it.
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On a point of order, is it "knob" or "nob"?
I think of a nob as being a posh person. A knob is a dickhead in my opinion.
You're probably right, although I think "nobend" is spelt n-o-b-e-n-d
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On a point of order, is it "knob" or "nob"?
I think of a nob as being a posh person. A knob is a dickhead in my opinion.
You're probably right, although I think "nobend" is spelt n-o-b-e-n-d
I disagree. I think a K has to be involved. Maybe we should 'Tweet' Susie Dent and ask her.
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What about dicksplash?
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Would someone please answer me this. What has Lee Hendrie done to make himself so unpopular? Has he gone missing and missed games? Gone onto the pitch pissed? Had a string of convictions for public order offences? That's the sort of thing that should make a former player unfit to represent the club. Either that or be the most popular of the lot, one or the other.
Agree, I met him yesterday for the first time, he could not have been more accommodating to the Villa fans that were there and also the Dallas folks.
Came over as a really decent bloke and mixed in with every one.
Scored a hatrick in the Fans Game aswell.
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the pictures are brilliant from that game Chicago. It's come a long way since we organized the first one of those in Columbus.
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Would someone please answer me this. What has Lee Hendrie done to make himself so unpopular? Has he gone missing and missed games? Gone onto the pitch pissed? Had a string of convictions for public order offences? That's the sort of thing that should make a former player unfit to represent the club. Either that or be the most popular of the lot, one or the other.
Well as he's neither a club legend ala Mortimer, Shaw etc or a lifelong fan of the Club.
Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
That's why I was surprised he's got the gig to be honest. I'd feel the same way about Collymore if he got the job.
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Hendrie is a decent enough bloke. The bankruptcy thing might be a slight on his career but everyone deserves a chance. Eric, isn't he a bluenose though? (Joke).
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Has Hendrie been doing the co-commentary with JW on the avtv channel ?
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Has Hendrie been doing the co-commentary with JW on the avtv channel ?
Yeah and he aint great
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Would someone please answer me this. What has Lee Hendrie done to make himself so unpopular? Has he gone missing and missed games? Gone onto the pitch pissed? Had a string of convictions for public order offences? That's the sort of thing that should make a former player unfit to represent the club. Either that or be the most popular of the lot, one or the other.
Well as he's neither a club legend ala Mortimer, Shaw etc or a lifelong fan of the Club.
Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
That's why I was surprised he's got the gig to be honest. I'd feel the same way about Collymore if he got the job.
How do you know he's not a lifelong fan - as though that makes any difference? He probably got the job because he could do it at short notice and was willing to go over there for whatever money it pays, if any.
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi. I don't lack back at his career with any kind of "what could have been" nostalgia. I think he probably achieved everything he was capable of.
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi.
Who said he was?
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi.
Who said he was?
Where did I accuse anyone of saying that he was?
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi.
Who said he was?
Where did I accuse anyone of saying that he was?
You just said 'he wasn't exactly Messi' so I presume you was making the comparison.
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi.
Who said he was?
Where did I accuse anyone of saying that he was?
You just said 'he wasn't exactly Messi' so I presume you was making the comparison.
Errr, I was. I thought I'd clarified my statement with the section of the quote of you've ignored?
To clarify again: I said "he wasn't exactly Messi" meaning, that I don't think he was an outstandingly talented footballer.
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi.
Who said he was?
Where did I accuse anyone of saying that he was?
You just said 'he wasn't exactly Messi' so I presume you was making the comparison.
Errr, I was. I thought I'd clarified my statement with the section of the quote of you've ignored?
To clarify again: I said "he wasn't exactly Messi" meaning, that I don't think he was an outstandingly talented footballer.
A silly comparison really bearing in mind no-one has been suggesting that he was 'an outstandingly talented footballer' and I definitely haven't seen anyone on here refer to him as world class.
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi.
Who said he was?
Where did I accuse anyone of saying that he was?
You just said 'he wasn't exactly Messi' so I presume you was making the comparison.
Errr, I was. I thought I'd clarified my statement with the section of the quote of you've ignored?
To clarify again: I said "he wasn't exactly Messi" meaning, that I don't think he was an outstandingly talented footballer.
A silly comparison really bearing in mind no-one has been suggesting that he was 'an outstandingly talented footballer' and I definitely haven't seen anyone on here refer to him as world class.
Would it help if I went back and changed 'Messi' to 'Frank Lampard' for you, or are we in for another tedious debate regardless? I think you understood the point I was making, despite omitting it when quoting me and failing to make reference to in any of your posts since.
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Plus he had the talent and opportunity to be a far better player than he actually turned out to be due to what was probably a poor attitude.
Don't agree with this. Hendrie was a pretty talented footballer, but wasn't exactly Messi.
Who said he was?
Where did I accuse anyone of saying that he was?
You just said 'he wasn't exactly Messi' so I presume you was making the comparison.
Errr, I was. I thought I'd clarified my statement with the section of the quote of you've ignored?
To clarify again: I said "he wasn't exactly Messi" meaning, that I don't think he was an outstandingly talented footballer.
A silly comparison really bearing in mind no-one has been suggesting that he was 'an outstandingly talented footballer' and I definitely haven't seen anyone on here refer to him as world class.
Would it help if I went back and changed 'Messi' to 'Frank Lampard' for you, or are we in for another tedious debate regardless? I think you understood the point I was making, despite omitting it when quoting me and failing to make reference to in any of your posts since.
I understood your point, I just thought the Messi comparison was a bit over the top bearing in mind he's regarded as one of the best players of all time.
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What about dicksplash?
I think I can honestly say that I have never used that word. But it is a fine word and I will make it my mission to use that word today. Although my opportunities are limited because I am at home looking after the kids all day. The wife might not be impressed with the way I greet her at the front door tonight and it will all be your fault.
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Clampy- Fair enough. It wasn't meant as a literal comparison, more a turn of phrase. In hindsight Frank lampard would have been a much better (and literal) comparison to make.
But my initial point was that I don't look back at Hendrie as somebody who really failed to achieve his potential. He think he was a decent player, but limited by his lack of physicality and strength and would say that he probably peaked at being capped once by England.
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Hendrie was a clever player, I often thought that he'd have worked well with JPA (who I think was one step ahead of the players around him most of the time).
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I liked Hendrie a lot, he might have fulfilled his full potential under different managements. A shame his career went on the way side. I'm glad he's back with us in some capacity.
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Hendrie was on TalkSport not too long ago and he came across as a very well spoken and humble individual. It was clear to all that he made a number of mistakes in his life and that those decisions had taken their toll. That it was maybe time to give something back wherever he could to whoever might accept it. I'm glad he has been given the opportunity to do this. Every man that has fallen on difficult times needs a road to redemption story. Maybe this is a part of his.
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There can't be many players who have clocked over 300 games for us who get as much stick Hendrie does.
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Can anyone confirm if Ian Taylor is with the tour party ?
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What about dicksplash?
I think I can honestly say that I have never used that word. But it is a fine word and I will make it my mission to use that word today. Although my opportunities are limited because I am at home looking after the kids all day. The wife might not be impressed with the way I greet her at the front door tonight and it will all be your fault.
Don't be a dicksplash.
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There can't be many players who have clocked over 300 games for us who get as much stick Hendrie does.
Isn't it the frustration of knowing that he would have been so much better if he hadn't been a dicksplash? He had the potential and blew it.
I remember taking my then-7 yr old son (at least, I think he was about that age) to see Hendrie play for the England U21 team at Bradford and suggesting that he was one of the ones that might just form the basis of a decent England MF in the not-too-distant future ... He had so much to offer and really didn't deliver on it.
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In 1997 the England u21 squad (managed by Peter Taylor) played a qualifier at Ashton Gate and trained the week before at the ground of the side I played for.
As a thank you, our first team (me included) played them on the Sunday afternoon.
The England side featured Lee Hendrie, plus the likes of Jamie Carragher, Heskey, Huckerby, Lee Bowyer, Ricky Scimica (capt.), Marcus Hall, Darren Eadie, Andy Marshall (gk), Matthew Rose, Stephen Hughes, Jamie Scowcroft etc.
So relative to his peers at that age, Hendrie went on to have a better career than most of them (for a variety of reasons). He was also fine to chat to on the day - he didn't particularly want to get involved but he was better than most others. Some were either (seemingly) very shy or complete tossers.
I've heard the stories of him setting fire to Ł20 notes in Legs Eleven and being a knob around town, plus he seemed to have a surge in form just before he was awarded a new contract, but I have never thought he deserved the reputation he has with most fans.
Last year I played in the Football Aid game at VP and he was one of the ex-players - again he was good with people and looked to be making an effort to see everyone enjoy it. By contrast, Gareth Farrelly was a bit sulky - though that might be because I nutmegged him in the game!
For those desperate to know the score (I know, no-one really) it was England u21 seven, Sun Life one - we were very happy with that.
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Has every Midlands footballer set fire to Ł20/Ł50 notes in Legs Eleven or is it just Lee Hendrie, Stan Collymore and Lee Hughes?
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Gerrard says in his autobiography something about watching Hendrie in training on international duty (would they have coincided at U21?) and how he was easily the best player on show.
He did have a nice understanding with Angel at times, especially that little step over he did to let it run through to Angel (or Dublin) that fooled defenders more than once.
I cut him more slack than most cos he was a local lad who had the ability to brighten up a game with a lovely moment of skill. I always feel sad when lads that fit that bill, - Luke Moore, the Fonz, Albrighton etc. leave us and also why I really hope Gary Gardner shows us what he can do and goes on to be a hero for us.
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Has every Midlands footballer set fire to Ł20/Ł50 notes in Legs Eleven or is it just Lee Hendrie, Stan Collymore and Lee Hughes?
As did Liam Ridgewell. Or did he wipe his arse with it ? I get confused .
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Gerrard says in his autobiography something about watching Hendrie in training on international duty (would they have coincided at U21?) and how he was easily the best player on show.
He did have a nice understanding with Angel at times, especially that little step over he did to let it run through to Angel (or Dublin) that fooled defenders more than once.
I cut him more slack than most cos he was a local lad who had the ability to brighten up a game with a lovely moment of skill. I always feel sad when lads that fit that bill, - Luke Moore, the Fonz, Albrighton etc. leave us and also why I really hope Gary Gardner shows us what he can do and goes on to be a hero for us.
my thoughts exactly.
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Has every Midlands footballer set fire to Ł20/Ł50 notes in Legs Eleven or is it just Lee Hendrie, Stan Collymore and Lee Hughes?
As did Liam Ridgewell. Or did he wipe his arse with it ? I get confused .
Isn''t there photographic evidence that ridgewell did that though?
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Ridgewell pretended to wipe his arse with Ł20 notes. IIRC he later claimed the money was winnings from a bet with a mate and he did the pic to wind up the mate.
And here is the pic Ridgewell's arse (http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/ridgewell-20-quid.jpg)
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I do agree Lee Hendrie has come across really well in conversations, but choice of him or Ian Taylor is no choice
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I do agree Lee Hendrie has come across really well in conversations, but choice of him or Ian Taylor is no choice
Or Shaw, Withe, Mortimer, Evans etc.
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I do agree Lee Hendrie has come across really well in conversations, but choice of him or Ian Taylor is no choice
Or Shaw, Withe, Mortimer, Evans etc.
Loads more, Mortimer not good coice as he will speak his mind, Withe managing overseas. Evans would speak his mind what a player. Gary Shaw what a player
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So, basically, any former player, who will speak his mind, cannot take this job because useless bollocks Lambert will get rid. Hendrie must be some sort of puppet then. Whilst I understand that the club must act with professionalism at all times, I would also like someone who tells it like it is. I think you can do both. There are reasons for things being as they are, Lambert said so himself, so let Taylor tell the story.
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So, post-match interview with Benteke
Interviewer: You played well Christian but you just be disappointed with the defeat
CB: this club is a disgrace. the manager must go.
I: Wow. Your first goal was taken splendidly. you must be thrilled?
CB: Enough's enough. The fans are shit here too.
I: Given that you are employed by the club is there anything positive you could say? just for the fans?
CB: *Belches into camera and gives 'the bird'*
Same dif really.
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We won 1-0
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Just listening to Ian Taylor on Tom Ross's phone in. He's confirmed that the club were not happy with one or two of his comments towards the end of last season which is why he wasn't in America.
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Just listening to Ian Taylor on Tom Ross's phone in. He's confirmed that the club were not happy with one or two of his comments towards the end of last season which is why he wasn't in America.
Wow. I stand corrected.
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Just listening to Ian Taylor on Tom Ross's phone in. He's confirmed that the club were not happy with one or two of his comments towards the end of last season which is why he wasn't in America.
Wow. I stand corrected.
It may harm my chances of being involved with the first team but I'd like to say randy you suck turd
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Just listening to Ian Taylor on Tom Ross's phone in. He's confirmed that the club were not happy with one or two of his comments towards the end of last season which is why he wasn't in America.
Good job the club haven't heard one or two of my comments about them or else I'd be down the treacle mines for the rest of my days.
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Just listening to Ian Taylor on Tom Ross's phone in. He's confirmed that the club were not happy with one or two of his comments towards the end of last season which is why he wasn't in America.
Did he decide not to go because the club did not like what he said of did the club decide that he should not go because they were not happy with what he said.
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Does it matter? He was being paid to be a club ambassador, and as such he should not have been on social media slagging the club off. It matters not that he may have been correct in his criticism
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I suppose that being club ambassador for any club is plain sailing if the club is doing well.
If the Ambassador is an ex player and the club is faltering on the pitch week after week it must be very difficult not to comment about it! A career politician would manage.
Not saying he was justified in his actions, just that, to be ambassador in the first place he has to feel an affinity for the club over and above the respect or affection of a player for his old team. I would cut him some slack on this basis and hope that relationships can be mended, for everyone's sake.
And, it's very nice to find that Lee Hendrie feels the same way, always a bonus with an ex player.
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Boy,does the club need some positivity! A decent signing might just do the trick.
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Is he out the door then ?
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Does it matter? He was being paid to be a club ambassador, and as such he should not have been on social media slagging the club off. It matters not that he may have been correct in his criticism
It does to some on here but I agree with you.
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Is he out the door then ?
According to his Tweets he is back at the club I think. So just a case of being put in the naughty corner for a bit/
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"If you're going to cause trouble in class, then you're not allowed on the school trip and you have to stay back with angry Mr Keane and his extra Maths lessons"
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He could try a pyramid of FR chocs for Mr Keane, but I don't think it would do him any good, somehow.
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Boy,does the club need some positivity! A decent signing might just do the trick.
This is where buying a foreign,young, striker works a trick on the foolish punters. Heck they don't even need to cost anything. Just fabricate a you tube video
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Does it matter? He was being paid to be a club ambassador, and as such he should not have been on social media slagging the club off. It matters not that he may have been correct in his criticism
It does to some on here but I agree with you.
So everytime you express criticism at work either because the coffee machine is crap, or wage freezes suck, or you are not getting development opportunities you can expect to be suspended?
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Does it matter? He was being paid to be a club ambassador, and as such he should not have been on social media slagging the club off. It matters not that he may have been correct in his criticism
It does to some on here but I agree with you.
So everytime you express criticism at work either because the coffee machine is crap, or wage freezes suck, or you are not getting development opportunities you can expect to be suspended?
If my job was to positively promote the company and I was saying negative things that could, and would, be read by thousands of their 'customers' then yes. Wouldn't you?
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Does it matter? He was being paid to be a club ambassador, and as such he should not have been on social media slagging the club off. It matters not that he may have been correct in his criticism
It does to some on here but I agree with you.
So everytime you express criticism at work either because the coffee machine is crap, or wage freezes suck, or you are not getting development opportunities you can expect to be suspended?
If my job was to positively promote the company and I was saying negative things that could, and would, be read by thousands of their 'customers' then yes. Wouldn't you?
He's not turned up on a random interview and been appointed to a position open to all comers though, he's been appointed on the basis of his previous work for the club, his relationship with it, with supporters and his personal public profile. It is not comparable with a regular post on those grounds. If anybody could do it, fair enough, but that's not the case.
He is as bothered about the problems at Villa at least as much as any one of the thousands of customers, with a specialised perspective on what the problems might be. I can understand his frustration and think the club should take the comments in the spirit they were meant, thank him, keep him if mutually acceptable and move on.
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It all sounds sort of fair enough, when people say he was 'slagging' the club of or critizing the club through social media, therefore he takes the penny he must tow the line
Untill you actually see what he had said, then it becomes rediculously petty,
from what I have seen and unless there is some heavy stuff out there that I haven't seen,
you have got to be a barn pott to think he should have been canned for such comments, which doesnt amount to 'slagging' in any way,
Lambert comes out of this a weak threatened man unfortunatly, and I speak as one who has backed him for a long time, not someone who is using it as a stick to beat him
Little things sometimes tell you more about a man than the big gestures,
and Lamberts done himself no favours here, for the first time I think the pressure is getting to much for him, he handling things badly and the end will be nigh
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Does it matter? He was being paid to be a club ambassador, and as such he should not have been on social media slagging the club off. It matters not that he may have been correct in his criticism
It does to some on here but I agree with you.
So everytime you express criticism at work either because the coffee machine is crap, or wage freezes suck, or you are not getting development opportunities you can expect to be suspended?
If my job was to positively promote the company and I was saying negative things that could, and would, be read by thousands of their 'customers' then yes. Wouldn't you?
Surely everyone's job is to positively promote the company.
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I can see this from both sides really. He's club ambassador and no doubt paid well to promote the club in various ways and because of that role, he has to take off his 'fan hat' if you will. I totally get that and can see the clubs viewpoint. That said, bearing in mind we lost 20 league games last season (22 if you count the cup games), maybe he found it harder and harder to bite his tongue as the season went on and as wrong as he was to say what he thought, it was understandable if he slipped.
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Assuming Ian Taylor is financially stable and does not need the money the club pay him the answer is simple.
He should inform the club he does not wish to continue with this role. Then he can say whatever he likes on social media. In fact what he has been saying is more or less what you would read daily on any Villa related forum.
Lambert (as I have said before) is adopting a siege mentality. He has got nothing else in his locker...nothing.
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His comments on twitter were largely to the tune of "this isn't good enough" during games.
The problem is, he's paid by the club to do a job. It is surely entirely understandable for an employee to expect repercussions if he criticises him employer to tens of thousands of followers on twitter?
Re "if he doesn't need the money, he should resign so he can say what he likes", I take it that means he is due some criticism if he opts for the money and keeps quiet?
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His comments on twitter were largely to the tune of "this isn't good enough" during games.
The problem is, he's paid by the club to do a job. It is surely entirely understandable for an employee to expect repercussions if he criticises him employer to tens of thousands of followers on twitter?
Re "if he doesn't need the money, he should resign so he can say what he likes", I take it that means he is due some criticism if he opts for the money and keeps quiet?
If comments like 'this isn't good enough' is a far as he went, then maybe a quiet word in his ear would have been suffice as opposed to leaving him out of a club tour thus bringing more unwanted negativity on the club.
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Third story I’ve heard in a week about Villa being hyper sensitive and protecting their image from public criticism. Asking Supporters’ Clubs not to “insult” the club, Ian Taylor speaks his mind and gets left at home, articles being censored.....
Stinks a bit
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On the basis of his duty being to promote the club and present it in the best possible light to the "customers" the censure of a long established hero of those customers for being critical of performances is just as much a breach of duty by those censuring him. Coming down like a ton of bricks on an employee for telling the truth is not presenting the club in the best possible light. Quite the reverse. It is a petty and spiteful reaction to fair comment. Of late I have come to the conclusion that the club has a death wish the way everything is turned into a crisis.
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His comments on twitter were largely to the tune of "this isn't good enough" during games.
The problem is, he's paid by the club to do a job. It is surely entirely understandable for an employee to expect repercussions if he criticises him employer to tens of thousands of followers on twitter?
Re "if he doesn't need the money, he should resign so he can say what he likes", I take it that means he is due some criticism if he opts for the money and keeps quiet?
If comments like 'this isn't good enough' is a far as he went, then maybe a quiet word in his ear would have been suffice as opposed to leaving him out of a club tour thus bringing more unwanted negativity on the club.
If that is even what happened.
Strikes me that we don't even know for sure why he wasn't on the tour, it could have been something entirely unrelated.
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On the basis of his duty being to promote the club and present it in the best possible light to the "customers" the censure of a long established hero of those customers for being critical of performances is just as much a breach of duty by those censuring him. Coming down like a ton of bricks on an employee for telling the truth is not presenting the club in the best possible light. Quite the reverse. It is a petty and spiteful reaction to fair comment. Of late I have come to the conclusion that the club has a death wish the way everything is turned into a crisis.
If not being taken on a two match US tour is seen as coming down on an employee like a ton of bricks, then I've been working for the wrong people all my life.
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The punishment is not in the missing a cheap jolly but the being put down by a clear and public pull. You don't treat club heroes that way. That us the lot of us hoi polloi.
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His comments on twitter were largely to the tune of "this isn't good enough" during games.
The problem is, he's paid by the club to do a job. It is surely entirely understandable for an employee to expect repercussions if he criticises him employer to tens of thousands of followers on twitter?
Re "if he doesn't need the money, he should resign so he can say what he likes", I take it that means he is due some criticism if he opts for the money and keeps quiet?
If comments like 'this isn't good enough' is a far as he went, then maybe a quiet word in his ear would have been suffice as opposed to leaving him out of a club tour thus bringing more unwanted negativity on the club.
If that is even what happened.
Strikes me that we don't even know for sure why he wasn't on the tour, it could have been something entirely unrelated.
Judging by what he was saying last night on Tom Ross' programme, his inclusion from the tour was in relation to comments he has made.
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It was made clear on TS this morning that Tayls was definately left at home for this reason. There was some PR BS put about by Hendrie and others about Tayls pulling out, but there was no use of the word allegedly this morning, they were definate in that this was the reason he wasnt there
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If I went on social media and criticised my firm I would expect to be left home all week too. And the week after that.
If you have something to say, speak to the right people. You don't use social media as a platform with one hand while you take the Kings shilling in the other.
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Like a lot of people Taylor probably thought Lambert would be on his bike at the end of the season which is why he thought he could get away with sinking his teeth into himand telling a few home truths. Sadly he's still bloody here.
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Everyone knows the club is a shambles from top to bottom and Taylor was put in an impossible position whereby if he said all was fine at the club he'd have been ridiculed. He tells the truth and gets very publicly punished.
He should resign and start blowing the whistle on the club and the arseholes who run it.
Anyone know who made the decision on Taylor? was it Lambert? not that it matters, he couldn't sink any lower in my estimation even if it was him.
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Everyone knows the club is a shambles from top to bottom and Taylor was put in an impossible position whereby if he said all was fine at the club he'd have been ridiculed. He tells the truth and gets very publicly punished.
He should resign and start blowing the whistle on the club and the arseholes who run it.
Anyone know who made the decision on Taylor? was it Lambert? not that it matters, he couldn't sink any lower in my estimation even if it was him.
Nobody was forcing him to post criticism of the team on twitter. It's not like he was being grilled by Paxman and had to voice an opinion.
I don't really understand what the club ambassador is meant to include and exclude though - ie whether the normal employer / employee analogy is valid
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I think first and foremost Taylor is a fan of the club and like most of us couldn't stop his frustrations from flowing on to social media. The role is best for an ex player,not ex player and supporter.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
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I think first and foremost Taylor is a fan of the club and like most of us couldn't stop his frustrations from flowing on to social media. The role is best for an ex player,not ex player and supporter.
Lots of people stop their frustrations about football flowing onto soshulmeeja. Just dont use it. Twitter is a massive ego trip for some people who think the world is remotely interested in their day to day thoughts.
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Everyone knows the club is a shambles from top to bottom and Taylor was put in an impossible position whereby if he said all was fine at the club he'd have been ridiculed. He tells the truth and gets very publicly punished.
He should resign and start blowing the whistle on the club and the arseholes who run it.
Anyone know who made the decision on Taylor? was it Lambert? not that it matters, he couldn't sink any lower in my estimation even if it was him.
Nobody was forcing him to post criticism of the team on twitter. It's not like he was being grilled by Paxman and had to voice an opinion.
I don't really understand what the club ambassador is meant to include and exclude though - ie whether the normal employer / employee analogy is valid
Exactly, he wasn't required to say anything at all
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
I'm glad he spoke his mind. We need someone connected to the club to have the balls to speak up when things get as shit as they are right now. He deserves at pat on the back from fans not criticism.
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If he wanted to "speak up" then he should have resigned.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
I'm glad he spoke his mind. We need someone connected to the club to have the balls to speak up when things get as shit as they are right now. He deserves at pat on the back from fans not criticism.
But that is a different point.
I, too, am glad he spoke out, someone needed to say it.
I can also see, however, why it might get him into trouble, which it has.
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If he wanted to "speak up" then he should have resigned.
He probably should have. I did hear a rumour that Charlie Aitken quit his role at the club because of the way the club was run. Not sure how true it is though.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
It depends how far he's gone with his criticism for me. If it was along the lines of 'the clubs a shambles, Lambert's clueless, Randy needs sell up' or slammed one or two players etc, then obviously he'd have overstepped the mark. If he's come out and said something like 'the results are not good enough' then that's fair enough surely, because they weren't. Even a club ambassador couldn't begin to defend 20 defeats in one season.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
I'm glad he spoke his mind. We need someone connected to the club to have the balls to speak up when things get as shit as they are right now. He deserves at pat on the back from fans not criticism.
But that is a different point.
I, too, am glad he spoke out, someone needed to say it.
I can also see, however, why it might get him into trouble, which it has.
I agree. The bit I find depressing is that he kept his job probably because he's agreed never to speak out again.
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Id rather Taylor talk on the radio from the heart about Villa than be a club ambassador, sounds a bit of a naf role and besides I bet Hendrie needs the money more than Taylor does.
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Id rather Taylor talk on the radio from the heart about Villa than be a club ambassador, sounds a bit of a naf role and besides I bet Hendrie needs the money more than Taylor does.
It's a well paid role apparently. No wonder it's highly sought after.
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Id rather Taylor talk on the radio from the heart about Villa than be a club ambassador, sounds a bit of a naf role and besides I bet Hendrie needs the money more than Taylor does.
I agree, it does seem a bit naf. But we are not a charity. The job should go to whoever is best suited to the role, not just be used to give handouts to profligate former players who pissed all their vast wealth on fast cars and booze.
Last season a mate of mine was on a corporate trip to Kiev with Man Utd and they took Bryan Robson, Nicky Butt and a few others along. Their job was basically to stay up all night boozing with the clients and making them feel important. It seems like such a come down for a genuine footballing legend like Robson. Although, he is a top bloke by all accounts.
John Barnes does a similar role with Liverpool.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
For one of your all time heroes you sure don't know much about him
'Nothing good to say' have you ever heard Taylor talking about Villa ?
Obviously not, I can't think of any other ex player who has promoted and talked positively about the club on a regular basis as Taylor
It's beyond me how anyone can fault Taylor for his support of the club over the years,
To be honest the criticism of Taylor by Villa fans for saying next to nothing is a disgrace
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
For one of your all time heroes you sure don't know much about him
'Nothing good to say' have you ever heard Taylor talking about Villa ?
Obviously not, I can't think of any other ex player who has promoted and talked positively about the club on a regular basis as Taylor
It's beyond me how anyone can fault Taylor for his support of the club over the years,
To be honest the criticism of Taylor by Villa fans for saying next to nothing is a disgrace
I may be wrong but I think he's the only ex-player the club employ; that makes a difference. Then again this just goes to show the ludicrous emphasis placed on social media. Every organisation seems paranoid about it and everyone's thoughts are given ridiculously wide coverage.
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I wonder if Stan Collymore will be writing in the match day magazine next season as he has spoken about the club saying how he sees it.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
For one of your all time heroes you sure don't know much about him
'Nothing good to say' have you ever heard Taylor talking about Villa ?
Obviously not, I can't think of any other ex player who has promoted and talked positively about the club on a regular basis as Taylor
It's beyond me how anyone can fault Taylor for his support of the club over the years,
To be honest the criticism of Taylor by Villa fans for saying next to nothing is a disgrace
I may be wrong but I think he's the only ex-player the club employ; that makes a difference. Then again this just goes to show the ludicrous emphasis placed on social media. Every organisation seems paranoid about it and everyone's thoughts are given ridiculously wide coverage.
It true what Danny Kelly said last night, it's modern day pub talk but it stays out there forever and is no gauge to how the majority think.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
For one of your all time heroes you sure don't know much about him
'Nothing good to say' have you ever heard Taylor talking about Villa ?
Obviously not, I can't think of any other ex player who has promoted and talked positively about the club on a regular basis as Taylor
It's beyond me how anyone can fault Taylor for his support of the club over the years,
To be honest the criticism of Taylor by Villa fans for saying next to nothing is a disgrace
I may be wrong but I think he's the only ex-player the club employ; that makes a difference. Then again this just goes to show the ludicrous emphasis placed on social media. Every organisation seems paranoid about it and everyone's thoughts are given ridiculously wide coverage.
It true what Danny Kelly said last night, it's modern day pub talk but it stays out there forever and is no gauge to how the majority think.
Excuse me. It's true what Danny Kelly AND I said. Unfortunately, as with some of the general's comments we saw how something posted online can be blown up and twisted for public consumption.
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Regardless of whether Taylor was right or wrong to criticise the club, why didn't Villa come clean about his absence? so we need a new manager, new owner, couple of midfielders, a defence and a new Head of Public Relations.
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Regardless of whether Taylor was right or wrong to criticise the club, why didn't Villa come clean about his absence? so we need a new manager, new owner, couple of midfielders, a defence and a new Head of Public Relations.
We have appointed a new head of public relations today. Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf.
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Regardless of whether Taylor was right or wrong to criticise the club, why didn't Villa come clean about his absence? so we need a new manager, new owner, couple of midfielders, a defence and a new Head of Public Relations.
Because he wasn't our head of public relations, and what is there really to come clean about re a bloke who does meets and greets with fans not going on a week-long trip to the US?
Don't get me wrong, I think the club is a shambles, too, but this strikes me as creating a crisis which isn't really there.
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Regardless of whether Taylor was right or wrong to criticise the club, why didn't Villa come clean about his absence? so we need a new manager, new owner, couple of midfielders, a defence and a new Head of Public Relations.
Because he wasn't our head of public relations, and what is there really to come clean about re a bloke who does meets and greets with fans not going on a week-long trip to the US?
Don't get me wrong, I think the club is a shambles, too, but this strikes me as creating a crisis which isn't really there.
I know he wasn't Head of Public Relations. Whoever is should add this to their list of recent cock ups and should be out of the door. The fact that we're creating a crisis here ( in your opinion) just highlights how badly the story has been managed by Villa and is a nice little microcosm of wider problems at the club
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I honestly don't see that there was much for them to manage. He didn't go on the tour because he wasn't asked to - it could really be that simple, surely?
Meanwhile I can think of about three dozen things off the top of my head that worry me more about the club.
The fact I don't trust them to sort any of them out probably says a lot, mind.
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Tayls is at fault here. I don't use twitter. And if he has got nothing good to say about the business that pays his wages then maybe he shouldn't use it either.
He is one of my all-time heroes but how anyone can defend him is beyond me.
For one of your all time heroes you sure don't know much about him
'Nothing good to say' have you ever heard Taylor talking about Villa ?
Obviously not, I can't think of any other ex player who has promoted and talked positively about the club on a regular basis as Taylor
It's beyond me how anyone can fault Taylor for his support of the club over the years,
To be honest the criticism of Taylor by Villa fans for saying next to nothing is a disgrace
I may be wrong but I think he's the only ex-player the club employ; that makes a difference. Then again this just goes to show the ludicrous emphasis placed on social media. Every organisation seems paranoid about it and everyone's thoughts are given ridiculously wide coverage.
It true what Danny Kelly said last night, it's modern day pub talk but it stays out there forever and is no gauge to how the majority think.
Excuse me. It's true what Danny Kelly AND I said. Unfortunately, as with some of the general's comments we saw how something posted online can be blown up and twisted for public consumption.
Sorry to leave you out Dave. Shame you we're truncated a little last night.
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I honestly don't see that there was much for them to manage. He didn't go on the tour because he wasn't asked to - it could really be that simple, surely?
Meanwhile I can think of about three dozen things off the top of my head that worry me more about the club.
The fact I don't trust them to sort any of them out probably says a lot, mind.
Is it the club or the manager though,
My understanding is that Lambert didn't want Taylor to go, and the club will always back a manager in a issue like that
Although it seems trivial, it tells us something about the character of the manager, others have suggested he is trying to create a seige mentality, well in my view he's going about it the wrong way if it means ostracising Ian Taylor
I have worked at plenty of companies where I have been critical of my boss, and also people have been critical of me when I was a boss, I honestly can't believe others have worked in such places where they daren't say a word out of place, this is not my experience
but as long as its not done in a nasty way and is well intentioned, the only managers/bosses who in my experience have had a problem with a bit of criticism are weak threatened types who don't know what they are doing
So for me it's a bigger problem, because it shows the character of Lambert in a way that shows he has no control, and is sadly out of his depth
I realise I could well be over analysing this, but it's the type behaviour I have monitored in various jobs and positions in the past, it always ends the same way, and that's not a good thing
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I have worked at plenty of companies where I have been critical of my boss, and also people have been critical of me when I was a boss, I honestly can't believe others have worked in such places where they daren't say a
but as long as its not done in a nasty way and is well intentioned, the only managers/bosses who in my experience have had a problem with a bit of criticism are weak threatened types who don't know what they are doing
Yes, I take that point, but in this case it's not just criticising someone in the work place, it is criticising someone publically, which is a bit different.
Ultimately, it is - although we still don't actually know that - down to Lambert, I imagine, and if i were him, and if it is a seige mentality thing, then I am not too sure I'd be going about it that way, either.
That's still not the point, though.
Ian Taylor has publicly criticised the people who pay his wages. Pretty much anyone, whoever they work for, would expect to get in trouble for that.
Given that he has tens of thousands (not checked exact number) of Villa fans following him on twitter, that's really a pretty daft thing to do, and regardless of whether or not Lambert is doing the right thing in the way he is handling it, I just don't see how anyone is remotely surprised at it.
If he wanted to be a critic with full free speech to say what he liked about the club, then he'd have to resign his position. Which I notice he hasn't done, so i suspect it's not that big a deal to him, anyway.
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I have worked at plenty of companies where I have been critical of my boss, and also people have been critical of me when I was a boss, I honestly can't believe others have worked in such places where they daren't say a
but as long as its not done in a nasty way and is well intentioned, the only managers/bosses who in my experience have had a problem with a bit of criticism are weak threatened types who don't know what they are doing
Yes, I take that point, but in this case it's not just criticising someone in the work place, it is criticising someone publically, which is a bit different.
Ultimately, it is - although we still don't actually know that - down to Lambert, I imagine, and if i were him, and if it is a seige mentality thing, then I am not too sure I'd be going about it that way, either.
That's still not the point, though.
Ian Taylor has publicly criticised the people who pay his wages. Pretty much anyone, whoever they work for, would expect to get in trouble for that.
Given that he has tens of thousands (not checked exact number) of Villa fans following him on twitter, that's really a pretty daft thing to do, and regardless of whether or not Lambert is doing the right thing in the way he is handling it, I just don't see how anyone is remotely surprised at it.
If he wanted to be a critic with full free speech to say what he liked about the club, then he'd have to resign his position. Which I notice he hasn't done, so i suspect it's not that big a deal to him, anyway.
As long as you accept that after a 4 nothing defeat or whatever and twittering 'not good enough' is openly criticising the manager in a strong enough way for him to throw you out
I don't think it is,
it's actually barely even criticism, let alone ' slagging' and 'nothing good to say' as others have suggested
I agree with what Clampy said in an earlier post, when he said he could understand it if Taylor had been more direct in what he said but he wasn't, he said virtually nothing, I don't see why people think he's done something so bad to deserve his treatment, it's quite unbelievable really
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I have worked at plenty of companies where I have been critical of my boss, and also people have been critical of me when I was a boss, I honestly can't believe others have worked in such places where they daren't say a
but as long as its not done in a nasty way and is well intentioned, the only managers/bosses who in my experience have had a problem with a bit of criticism are weak threatened types who don't know what they are doing
Yes, I take that point, but in this case it's not just criticising someone in the work place, it is criticising someone publically, which is a bit different.
Ultimately, it is - although we still don't actually know that - down to Lambert, I imagine, and if i were him, and if it is a seige mentality thing, then I am not too sure I'd be going about it that way, either.
That's still not the point, though.
Ian Taylor has publicly criticised the people who pay his wages. Pretty much anyone, whoever they work for, would expect to get in trouble for that.
Given that he has tens of thousands (not checked exact number) of Villa fans following him on twitter, that's really a pretty daft thing to do, and regardless of whether or not Lambert is doing the right thing in the way he is handling it, I just don't see how anyone is remotely surprised at it.
If he wanted to be a critic with full free speech to say what he liked about the club, then he'd have to resign his position. Which I notice he hasn't done, so i suspect it's not that big a deal to him, anyway.
As long as you accept that after a 4 nothing defeat or whatever and twittering 'not good enough' is openly criticising the manager in a strong enough way for him to throw you out
I don't think it is,
it's actually barely even criticism, let alone ' slagging' and 'nothing good to say' as others have suggested
I agree with what Clampy said in an earlier post, when he said he could understand it if Taylor had been more direct in what he said but he wasn't, he said virtually nothing, I don't see why people think he's done something so bad to deserve his treatment, it's quite unbelievable really
I can see that you are taking a blinkered view of the situation but do you not understand what the role of an ambassador is. Whether Taylor agrees with the state of things at the club or not, as an ambassador he cannot show the club in a negative light. In this position he cannot undermine the manager, owner or players. Taylor like many other ex players also need to understand that the media are not their friends, they just use them to create sensational headlines over sometimes trivial matters. Mortimer was a good example of this.
I think it was Paulie who said that Taylor in his club role is nothing more than a glorified meeter and greeter, there to try and show the club in the best light (granted very difficult in these times). If he wants to be a fan or the fans representative, he should not be in the role as ambassador.
I did not hear what he said that has caused the problem but when I have heard him, he talks well, clearly has the club at heart and I am interested listening to him. It is very easy when you are disappointed to say inadvisable things when you have a microphone stuck in front of you or when people are expecting you to make a comment through social media. Many people are critical of Lambert's interviews but I should imagine he is in a difficult position of not being over critical of the players in public for fear of undermining their confidence. There is a time and place to be critical.
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You can't be a fan and speak your mind as freely as we do on fan sites, AND be on the club payroll at the same time, especially at a time of relative strife. He's got a bit of 'previous' anyway over the Gareth Barry saga, so whilst I might agree with his criticisms and what he has to say, he'd probably have been a bit wiser to wind his neck in a bit.