Ian Taylor left out of tour...

[Dave]

Exclude people chatting on the internet and I doubt anyone is aware of it

I wonder what percentage of football stories that applies to.

huge, I'd have thought.  I have no idea what is occupying spurs fan's minds for example but I bet they're debating something 'important' on their discussion boards too.  It's only when it gets printed or on a few choice websites (bbc/mail/guardian) that it enters the consciousness of other football fans.

Out of curiosity, I just checked - apparently Ugo Ehiogu is their new u-21 coach.

They're talking about other things as well, but that's what mainly caught my eye.

[villan from luton]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

[dave.woodhall]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

He can say whatever he likes but he can't say it and expect there to be no comebacks.

[pauliewalnuts]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

That's the point.

If he's an employee of the club and wants to stay one, then what he should say is absolutely nothing.

it's not about him being 110% Villa, it's about him being 100% an employee of the club.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.

Whoever they work for pays.

Really? Then I take it back. I am surprised. Football must be an unusual business where Journo's papers/parent media company on promotion tours pay for their own trips.

[ChicagoLion]

Its pretty hard not to be critical of the Club at the moment, it is drifting along trying to make do.
I agree, as much as I like Tayls, if you take the company shilling then you have to tow the company line. Lee is playing in the fans match in Dallas on Wednesday.

[dave.woodhall]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.

Whoever they work for pays.

Really? Then I take it back. I am surprised. Football must be an unusual business where Journo's papers/parent media company on promotion tours pay for their own trips.

It isn't a promo, though. It's news.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.

I don't know, but surely it makes more sense to check that something is actually true (Villa paying for Kendrick to go with them) before suggesting it is wrong morally (with the weight that the word 'morally' carries, I mean)?

Indeed. I could have sworn when I saw Kendrick in Portland he was part of the Villa entourage and even thanked the club on AVTV for sending him. But Dave would for sure know better than me and I trust his experience over my dodgy memory. Best to assume I got this one wrong.

[ciggiesnbeer]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

Does the club pay for journalists to go on tour with them?. Isnt that morally wrong as they are not club employees.

Whoever they work for pays.

Really? Then I take it back. I am surprised. Football must be an unusual business where Journo's papers/parent media company on promotion tours pay for their own trips.

It isn't a promo, though. It's news.

Ah ok. Makes sense. Thanks for the clarification.

[Toronto Villa]

Considering Mat "I hate Lambert" Kendrick is going on the tour this week (I assume at the clubs expense as usual) then I think we can infer the story about Tayls is bollocks.

I dunno about that. Kendrick is the Mail's man, not Villa's. It's different.

re Taylor, when he was criticial of the team and manager last season, I was right behind him, glad he'd spoken up and glad he was as pissed off as the rest of us.

However, it can't work both ways, can it? If - if - Lambert has said he doesn't want him on the tour, then that's fair enough, the bloke - whilst working for the club - was pretty critical of him last season.

It's good to hear the likes of Taylor being as angry and disappointed as the rest of us, but really, it can't work both ways. He's either going to speak freely and be as critical publicly as he wants, or he's going to toe the line as a reflection that he's an employee of the club. It can't be both, that's easy to understand.

I like Ian Taylor, he was a decent player, and he was one of us, but I don't think he's a "legend" by any stretch of the imagination, and the whole "you don't treat a legend like that" thing elsewhere is really way, way over the top.

And that's assuming he really was asked to stay at home by Lambert, which is probably not true in the first place.

That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

That's the point.

If he's an employee of the club and wants to stay one, then what he should say is absolutely nothing.

it's not about him being 110% Villa, it's about him being 100% an employee of the club.

it's really not that hard to understand. You've put it rather well. I agree entirely about the legend thing too. A good player, sometimes very good, and a fan which we all love. But Brian Little is a fan and a legend. Ian Taylor falls short of that.

[TheEgo]

Avoiding having a mass of  multi quotes, I think that's a fair thing to say. Some people will find any excuse to point the finger at lambert, however I think it's just the general state of affairs that make these smaller things seem more prominent. Take this instance. Lambert says everyone is starting this season a fresh , slates wiped clean etc but then seemingly holds a grudge with the clubs ambassador. If it was isolated, I'm not so sure people would be as bothered. PL could of had a quiet word with Taylor and said, look I need you on board, we're all in this together etc. This just creates pointless and avoidable distractions.

**Post refers to last 2 points on page 2 as I didn't see page 3

[paul_e]

You don't get it, your reply there is exactly what I mean.  You've already decided it's true despite his replacement giving a perfectly reasonable alternative suggestion.  Therefore you're one of the people finding any excuse to point fingers at Lambert.

[Steve67]

As much as I admire Ian Taylor, you cannot bite the hand that feeds. Even though he was telling the truth!! Lambert is a shit Manager and bought a load of crap that he isn't capable of coaching. My loyalty will always be with those that support the club. Fuck Lambert.

[Steve R]

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That is the point, Ian Taylor was not a great player, but he is 110% Aston Villa. Think it is a major error by Lambert, last season was shite and what is Taylor supposed to say

Nobody's getting too upset by my omission form the tour, and I was never a great player but 110% Villa.

Well, 108% now - O'Neill has a lot to answer for.

[Diablo]

Has anyone got a record of the tweets that are supposed to have caused such offence? I vaguely remember a couple at the end of last season that I didn't think were that bad but in retrospect that was probably because I thought the same thing or much worse at the time.