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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Dave on March 29, 2014, 01:55:20 PM
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From 2.30pm or so.
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I haven't got BT Sport, I haven't watched it but the inevitable has happened as I expected. Hate them. If you'd have told me at the start of the season Man United would lose 10 matches in the Prem I knew that one of those would not be down to us. Hate them.
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Well Done Villa helped United once again.
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I haven't got BT Sport, I haven't watched it but the inevitable has happened as I expected. Hate them. If you'd have told me at the start of the season Man United would lose 10 matches in the Prem I knew that one of those would not be down to us. Hate them.
By the way, did I tell you I hate Man United?
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The thing is that for once we passed it around the pitch alright, and created enough chances to get 2 or 3 on another day.
It's just that in setting up to do that, it comes at the sacrifice of any semblance of defensive organisation and competence and then add in the fact that we're complete dire mentallists every time we play United...
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Shit as usual. Back to bed.
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I swear, those wankers could be in the Conference and us winning the European Cup for the 10th consecutive season and they would still batter us. I fucking hate them.
Defensive errors and Benteke having a mare = arse biscuits.
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Hopefully keeps Moyes in the job for another season
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Enough is enough. Please can this season end now?
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8 goals conceded in two games.
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Front three were pathetic.
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No defence for Villa's defence.
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Enough is enough. Please can this season end now?
it will only be the same next season as this, or worse, with Lerner, Faulkner and Lambert at the helm. One year, we might even finish 10th, that would be exciting
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Very poor really should of known that was coming. What has happend to gabby been really poor the last 2 games,suppose you could say that for all of them. Really big game next week now,not looking forward to it at all!!!!
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The thing is that for once we passed it around the pitch alright, and created enough chances to get 2 or 3 on another day.
It's just that in setting up to do that, it comes at the sacrifice of any semblance of defensive organisation and competence and then add in the fact that we're complete dire mentallists every time we play United...
This. For once the midfield was ok. But our defence......Benteke had two very decent chances that on another day he would have buried. But not against these assholes. I fucking hate them. Come on you Bayern!
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apart from marc and westy , most were rubbish
how weiman starts every game I will never know
Gabby does not do enough for me .
Defence gets worse
Just roll over again for this average manure team
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Did Weimann play?
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Astonishingly predictable. Desperate for a win? Manager under pressure? Players not scored for a while? Not scored 4 since the start of the season? Here come Villa to ease all your woes. We really have become a very poor side, breaking records for all the wrong reasons. And the really worrying thing is I don't get that bothered any more.
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Enough is enough. Please can this season end now?
it will only be the same next season as this, or worse, with Lerner, Faulkner and Lambert at the helm. One year, we might even finish 10th, that would be exciting
I'm starting to think this, too.
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Merry Christmas David.
Christ Moyes looks 10 years younger today and decidedly un-Gollum like. Playing Villa is more effective than botox.
Awful defending again. A mess, all over the place. We created but Benteke just had one of those games which he's had too often this season. Really he should have hit 20 goals by now but he's missed a hell of a lot of good chances.
Albrighton and Westwood did well, everyone else was shite.
We're in one of those stinky patches again. We should get that one more win and a couple of points required for safety, but honestly, it shouldn't be like this. This season we always seem to take 2 steps back after every step forward with our results.
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Did Weimann play?
Who?
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Enough is enough. Please can this season end now?
We have been saying that for the past number of seasons haven't we.
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thank f**k we have money city next away ;/
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Our defensive record under Lambert is shocking - we wont be too far off last seasons goals against tally by the end of the campaign. Add in the fact that we don't score that many and it sums up the fact we really aren't very good. I'd take Pulis over Lambert!
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Whatever Lambert is trying to do, his team really do need to give us more to be cheered about than they have so far this season.
It's the least surprising result of the season to lose up there, but fucking hell, wouldn't it be nice to, say, put together three decent performances rather than the odd one, followed by week after week of utter dross.
I just can't see how this team is actually going to get any better than it is at the moment. That is what worries me.
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When the midfield is the least bad part of our outfield unit you know you have had a bad day.
Bacuna - not a defender
Clark - not a Premiership player
Bertrand - not convinced
Alrbighton / Gabby / Weimann - quad player at best
Ho hum.
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thank f**k we have money city next away ;/
I thought we had Fulham at home.
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Front three were pathetic.
Agreed. People can blame the defence but 2 sitters missed by Benteke were appalling. If you create chances and forwards fail to do the business then there is no point in blaming anyone else.
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Enough is enough. Please can this season end now?
it will only be the same next season as this, or worse, with Lerner, Faulkner and Lambert at the helm. One year, we might even finish 10th, that would be exciting
I'm starting to think this, too.
Starting to think so Paulie?!? Whatever were you thinking before then?
Oh sorry, of course, that we would get relegated. So was I ;-)
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thank f**k we have money city next away ;/
Isn't that in May?
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Enough is enough. Please can this season end now?
it will only be the same next season as this, or worse, with Lerner, Faulkner and Lambert at the helm. One year, we might even finish 10th, that would be exciting
I'm starting to think this, too.
Welcome to the remake of Coventry / Southmapton from 1990's
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As sure as eggs is eggs.
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Actually didn't think we were that bad. The defence weren't up to much (with the possible exception of Vlaar) and Bacuna has shit for brains, but we created enough chances to have got something, particularly Benteke at 2-1. If he's hoping to move on this summer, he certainly isn't doing himself any favours.
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Predictable and true to form against United.
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We didn't take our chances they did. I thought Westwood was our best player by a mile though.
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Painfully evident that Clark, Weimann, Bacuna (at right back) and Tonev are not good enough. Weimann in particular has been woeful almost all season. He's playing way too much and he never seems to get dropped. Dreadful touch, no vision, all huff and puff and no skill. I'm not convinced he's even first 18 material. He's certainly not a first 11 player.
Gabby should be an impact player now, off the bench. He shouldn't be starting every game. He was poor again today and clearly exhausted.
We need better players and a better manager. That's painfully clear.
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Pathetic.
We really need to hope Benteke scores a couple at the World Cup to inflate his price - and hope that by some miracle it is spent wisely (shudders).
Guzan , Vlaar , Delph & Albrighton apart - I wouldn't give you two bob for.
We rolled over and died again.
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thank f**k we have money city next away ;/
Isn't that in May?
If it was May next year it would be a decade too soon. At least.
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thank f**k we have money city next away ;/
I thought we had Fulham at home.
ok thank fuck for that ;)
or maybe not ???
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And i got up at 6.00 am in Mexico to watch that shit. Why do we let so many late goals in.
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I'd start Tonev ahead of Weimann next match, at least he knows the approximate postcode the goal is in. Weimann has been pretty woeful most of the season.
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Westwood was really good.
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apart from marc and westy , most were rubbish
how weiman starts every game I will never know
Gabby does not do enough for me .
Defence gets worse
Just roll over again for this average manure team
Need to find viable alternative options for those two, as they have far too many off days. Showed promise going forward at times, but we were all over the place at the back. Pretty depressing stuff all round.
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I'd rather we set up this way going forward though. Would be happy to take a couple of hilariously poor defensive blunders every game if it meant we could look a bit more interested in attack and Benteke have a few more opportunities to raise his price tag.
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Thank fook we have two easy games next
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Painfully evident that Clark, Weimann, Bacuna (at right back) and Tonev are not good enough. Weimann in particular has been woeful almost all season. He's playing way too much and he never seems to get dropped. Dreadful touch, no vision, all huff and puff and no skill. I'm not convinced he's even first 18 material. He's certainly not a first 11 player.
Gabby should be an impact player now, off the bench. He shouldn't be starting every game. He was poor again today and clearly exhausted.
We need better players and a better manager. That's painfully clear.
spot on
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
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And i got up at 6.00 am in Mexico to watch that shit. Why do we let so many late goals in.
It's the Villa way.
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I'd start Tonev ahead of Weimann next match, at least he knows the approximate postcode the goal is in. Weimann has been pretty woeful most of the season.
Tonev is crap but fresh. Weimann is crap but running on empty, so I'd concur with playing Tonev. At some point one of his shots will surely hit the target.
I'd be tempted to have a bit of switcharound to be honest. Change things up a bit. Bring Lowton back in. Take Weimann and Gabby out the side. Give Bennett another game just to rest Bertrand. I wouldn't mind seeing Helenius getting a go, even from the bench.
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4-1 flattered them.
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Got a £30m+ player who can't buy a goal...
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I'd start Tonev ahead of Weimann next match, at least he knows the approximate postcode the goal is in. Weimann has been pretty woeful most of the season.
Crowd reaction to first Tonev effort:
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/HVLegion/HVLEGION/Pictures/Baby-fireworks-reaction.gif) (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/HVLegion/media/HVLEGION/Pictures/Baby-fireworks-reaction.gif.html)
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That game pretty much summed up the lambert era. A promising but totally naive and inefficient side.
The defence is piss poor but what hurts most was the last goal. Hernandez strolls in the box with none of our three defenders picking him up. They'd given in.
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
predictible
look at man city at home , I thought that would lift us . fuck did it ..
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A common cheap shot by football pundits is to say "what is the point of Aston Villa?". It used to get my goat, but really, what is the point of us being in the Prem? What are we doing? Apart from guaranteeing ManUre 6 points a season.
History shows that any club that flirts with the bottom three as often as we have in the last few seasons, eventually goes down. Even if Randy splashes the cash, we've replaced too many good/competent players with downright shite it'd take more money than he's got to make us challenge for anything worth getting excited about. Other clubs may be hapy with just surviving the prem, but we're cursed by our history.
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I'd rather we set up this way going forward though. Would be happy to take a couple of hilariously poor defensive blunders every game if it meant we could look a bit more interested in attack and Benteke have a few more opportunities to raise his price tag.
We've been beaten 4-1 in consecutive games against teams struggling to find form.
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has he come out with 'we go again' yet?
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ah well weve made scudamore happy aston villa great for the economy
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Tonev did more than Weimann. I like Tonev he runs at players which i like, as soon as one of those shots fly in i think we'll see a player there.
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The occasional good result amidst a shower of rubbish marks us out as a lower mid-table team. The stopped clock cliche rings true for us I think.
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I'd start Tonev ahead of Weimann next match, at least he knows the approximate postcode the goal is in. Weimann has been pretty woeful most of the season.
Crowd reaction to first Tonev effort:
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/HVLegion/HVLEGION/Pictures/Baby-fireworks-reaction.gif) (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/HVLegion/media/HVLEGION/Pictures/Baby-fireworks-reaction.gif.html)
Hilarious!!
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4-1 flattered them.
It did , cause this is a poor manure side which frustrates me even more
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I'd rather we set up this way going forward though. Would be happy to take a couple of hilariously poor defensive blunders every game if it meant we could look a bit more interested in attack and Benteke have a few more opportunities to raise his price tag.
We've been beaten 4-1 in consecutive games against teams struggling to find form.
Different though. Last week was the same old massive shitshow. This week was also a shitshow, but at least it was more exciting. If we're resigned to getting dross regardless, I'd rather have the latter.
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
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Watching Aston Villa at the moment is like watching your pet dog being put to sleep. You love them, but it's so so painful. I just can't bare it anymore!
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Just what the doctor ordered, back to back 4-1 pastings.
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Front three were pathetic.
Agreed. People can blame the defence but 2 sitters missed by Benteke were appalling. If you create chances and forwards fail to do the business then there is no point in blaming anyone else.
They were indeed pathetic. What does Weimann do to get selected again and again ? He constantly makes poor decisions, and falls over the ball nearly EVERY game ! And Agbonlahor does very little these days. Is he injured ? Then dont play him, he offers nothing at the minute, he does not even take on defenders with his speed. And for Benteke - it was not even the misses that frustrated me, it is that he looks too laid back at times, and there was a situation in the 70. minute, I think, where he could pass a team mate (Weimann) but decided to challenge another defender and lost the ball. Even if he had beaten the defender, he would not have been in a better position than the team mate, then why take the risk ??? He does that every game, he needs to learn when to pass the ball.
And the defending... Rooney completely unmarked, then a stupid Bacuna penalty, and at the third goal, we gave Büttner all the time in the world in the build up, and we even had two men around him.
But I will give credit to Westwood, I think he has been very good lately from the Newcastle game.
I knew we would loose today, so I do not know, why I am so angry and frustrated, but it is the way we loose. Same players make the same mistakes again and again, and Weimann and Gabby are selected again and again, even though they have performed so poorly this season.
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When the midfield is the least bad part of our outfield unit you know you have had a bad day.
Bacuna - not a defender
Clark - not a Premiership player
Bertrand - not convinced
Alrbighton / Gabby / Weimann - quad player at best
Ho hum.
Yep. No to Bertrand in the summer he offers nothing and likes to go forward way too much.
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
It reflects, Vlaar aside, how abysmal the defence is
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
That's the trouble, any time we look like building any sort of form it hits the skids. We saw it after Man City, after Southampton, after West Brom and then after Chelsea. Even if we win two on the bounce for example, we tend to then lose more in the next few weeks. What we're left with as such is a season in which we've won 9 in 31 games, and lost 15, almost half our games played. That's pathetic for Aston Villa football club.
I don't think that sort of record will ever change under Lambert. I know some might say we're mid-table, we're comfortable, but this isn't comfortable. Stoke are 10th, but they're a weak 10th. We're still too close to the bottom feeders. We're the loss of a key player or two from being in serious trouble next season too.
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Only saw the 2nd half. How did we end up losing 4-1? Usual biased referreeing you get there. Take our chances and we'd have got a draw there. We didn't look bad at all until they got the third.
Fucking hate those classless ******.
Did the much talked about plane fly over?
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8 goals in 2. Powder puff across the middle & inept at the back, got what we deserved, fuck all.
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we need to be safe before last two games
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Only saw the 2nd half. How did we end up losing 4-1? Usual biased referreeing you get there. Take our chances and we'd have got a draw there. We didn't look bad at all until they got the third.
Fucking hate those classless c***s.
Did the much talked about plane fly over?
Click here (https://vine.co/v/MOL61aVz9vb)
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
It reflects, Vlaar aside, how abysmal the defence is
When the midfield is the least bad part of our outfield unit you know you have had a bad day.
Bacuna - not a defender
Clark - not a Premiership player
Bertrand - not convinced
Alrbighton / Gabby / Weimann - quad player at best
Ho hum.
Yep. No to Bertrand in the summer he offers nothing and likes to go forward way too much.
I think he's an okay player, which probably marks an improvement on what we have, but yes, given what Chelsea will try and mug out of us, I'd look elsewhere.
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What can you say about that ?
Predictable
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
It reflects, Vlaar aside, how abysmal the defence is
Inconsistent certainly, I look back to how well we defended against Chelsea for instance and struggle to reconcile it with that error strewn effort today.
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United think they're on the up because they beat us, hahaha
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Would much rather have Bennett and Lowton as fullbacks .
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
That's the trouble, any time we look like building any sort of form it hits the skids. We saw it after Man City, after Southampton, after West Brom and then after Chelsea. Even if we win two on the bounce for example, we tend to then lose more in the next few weeks. What we're left with as such is a season in which we've won 9 in 31 games, and lost 15, almost half our games played. That's pathetic for Aston Villa football club.
It's because we're not a good side, it's as simple as that IMO. Every poor team shows occasional flashes of good play, but for the main part aren't any good. That's what we are.
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Having had to endure the game at work in front of mainly Noses, who incidentally none of which will be travelling the 2 miles to their game today, I am not left angry or frustrated, but disillusioned at some of the players and as a Lambert supporter in whole, wondering what will actually happen with another season under him?
I am however 100% certain I feel sick that I actually felt sorry for Moyes of late, I hope they crash and burn even further and their glory hunting fans witness Liverpool win the league.
UTV.
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When the midfield is the least bad part of our outfield unit you know you have had a bad day.
Bacuna - not a defender
Clark - not a Premiership player
Bertrand - not convinced
Alrbighton / Gabby / Weimann - quad player at best
Ho hum.
Yep. No to Bertrand in the summer he offers nothing and likes to go forward way too much.
I would start with bennett next game -
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I'd start Tonev ahead of Weimann next match, at least he knows the approximate postcode the goal is in. Weimann has been pretty woeful most of the season.
Crowd reaction to first Tonev effort:
(http://i167.photobucket.com/albums/u149/HVLegion/HVLEGION/Pictures/Baby-fireworks-reaction.gif) (http://s167.photobucket.com/user/HVLegion/media/HVLEGION/Pictures/Baby-fireworks-reaction.gif.html)
Hilarious!!
How laughably shit Tonev was going to be was evident from the first time he touched the ball for us in his first ever game. You could tell that quickly. Think Boulding but worse.
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
That's the trouble, any time we look like building any sort of form it hits the skids. We saw it after Man City, after Southampton, after West Brom and then after Chelsea. Even if we win two on the bounce for example, we tend to then lose more in the next few weeks. What we're left with as such is a season in which we've won 9 in 31 games, and lost 15, almost half our games played. That's pathetic for Aston Villa football club.
I don't think that sort of record will ever change under Lambert. I know some might say we're mid-table, we're comfortable, but this isn't comfortable. Stoke are 10th, but they're a weak 10th. We're still too close to the bottom feeders. We're the loss of a key player or two from being in serious trouble next season too.
Problem is, those in positions of influence at the club obviously don't think it is.
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United must have been so chuffed when they saw this fixture come up. They can't buy a good result then Villa bend over for them. Stoke - one away win all season - touch your toes Villa we're coming in....
So angry right now.
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We missed Holt today.
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
Really? I thought we were fucking shit as usual. I don't find it hard to know what to make of us at all or Lambert
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8 conceded in 2 games. It just isn't good enough.
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
That's the trouble, any time we look like building any sort of form it hits the skids. We saw it after Man City, after Southampton, after West Brom and then after Chelsea. Even if we win two on the bounce for example, we tend to then lose more in the next few weeks. What we're left with as such is a season in which we've won 9 in 31 games, and lost 15, almost half our games played. That's pathetic for Aston Villa football club.
It's because we're not a good side, it's as simple as that IMO. Every poor team shows occasional flashes of good play, but for the main part aren't any good. That's what we are.
Can't argue with that. I don't think Lambert will find us any sort of consistency. I can't ever see him going 5-10 unbeaten to push us up if we need it. What if we're in the shit next season and have to have an end of season flurry? Martinez did it a couple of times at Wigan (before it caught up with them).
The players aren't good enough and the management is erratic to say the least.
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Every week we are desperately shuffling a pack of players that are simply not up to the job.
Is Bennet better than Lowton, Tonev or Weimann, is Luna better than anyone?
The squad apart from 4 exceptions is average to poor - may as well roll a dice for all the difference it seems to make.
As several have commented I knew this result was coming but still feel really angry about it.
Received a mail this morning reminding me that I had not renewed my ST - bad day to do it!
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We were definitely not as bad as against Stoke, even though it has been the same scenario... I think we played decent football, passed the ball well around the pitch, had chances, but with such a dreadfull defense at some point, and a lack of involvement at the front. Benteke missed a great chance that would have changed the game, he should have won a penalty but the ref decided otherwise. We have been unlucky, and they took the opportunities they had.
I am so disapointed by the result but not really by the team to be fair. And I like Tonev, his shots were not good, but he's got the pace, and at least he provokes really well and creates opportunities, he has got the will to do well. There's no other choice, we have to come back against fulham.
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We missed Holt today.
Titter.
Another laughably shit player.
Going back the the Bertrand comments, why the frig are we still giving him experience when we could give our own the experience. It hardly matters how does it, not going down but not going anywhere either.
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
That's the trouble, any time we look like building any sort of form it hits the skids. We saw it after Man City, after Southampton, after West Brom and then after Chelsea. Even if we win two on the bounce for example, we tend to then lose more in the next few weeks. What we're left with as such is a season in which we've won 9 in 31 games, and lost 15, almost half our games played. That's pathetic for Aston Villa football club.
I don't think that sort of record will ever change under Lambert. I know some might say we're mid-table, we're comfortable, but this isn't comfortable. Stoke are 10th, but they're a weak 10th. We're still too close to the bottom feeders. We're the loss of a key player or two from being in serious trouble next season too.
Problem is, those in positions of influence at the club obviously don't think it is.
Seemingly so. Which is sad. Where Southampton sit should not be well beyond us and it just seems as if it is at the moment.
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There's a simple reason why Gabby & Weimann get picked week after week & that's because the alternatives don't exist. The same can be said for practically every position in the team.
We are a poor side that are too easy to play against & I don't see that improving any time soon.
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Never a 4-1, missed chances, should have had a penalty, Fellatio or whatever it`s fucking name is should have gone for elbowing Vlaar in the mouth, fact is, we got what we expected in the end.
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Oh and can we put the "we're better away from home" myth to bed now?
No away win since New Year's Day and the home points are equal
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Very predictable but still very, very annoying!
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I hate these plastic twats with a passion. Benteke wants shooting, how we didn't take at least a point against this one dimensional long ball shite. Benteke missed two sitters, nailed on absolute sitters. He also should have had a stick on penalty.
The defending left a lot to be desired, how Clark lost Rooney I have no idea.
I am raging. They are an awful long ball side, with that dirty ****** Fellani some how conspiring not to get sent off yet again.
I am really looking forward to Gerry whacking these pricks into the middle of next week. I have never known a score line flatter a side so much in all my days.
Big credit to our support, we kept right behind them. As for there's? There is a reason why I am steaming up the M602 without a care in the world; plastic fucking shite.
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The feelgood factor from Chelsea has well and truly disappeared. Here is one of those all too familiar tailspins.
That's the trouble, any time we look like building any sort of form it hits the skids. We saw it after Man City, after Southampton, after West Brom and then after Chelsea. Even if we win two on the bounce for example, we tend to then lose more in the next few weeks. What we're left with as such is a season in which we've won 9 in 31 games, and lost 15, almost half our games played. That's pathetic for Aston Villa football club.
I don't think that sort of record will ever change under Lambert. I know some might say we're mid-table, we're comfortable, but this isn't comfortable. Stoke are 10th, but they're a weak 10th. We're still too close to the bottom feeders. We're the loss of a key player or two from being in serious trouble next season too.
Problem is, those in positions of influence at the club obviously don't think it is.
Seemingly so. Which is sad. Where Southampton sit should not be well beyond us and it just seems as if it is at the moment.
We are massively underachieving. We are settling for less than we should.
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I expected us to lose today so i'm not too bothered about that although conceding 4 is a concern. Lose the next 2 games and start panicking.
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Enough is enough. Please can this season end now?
it will only be the same next season as this, or worse, with Lerner, Faulkner and Lambert at the helm. One year, we might even finish 10th, that would be exciting
Unfortunately that is the sorry state of affairs Villa have got themselves in and it isn't going to end any time soon.
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Seemingly so. Which is sad. Where Southampton sit should not be well beyond us and it just seems as if it is at the moment.
We shouldn't be, in a general sense, but they've spent an absolute shedload of money the past two seasons since coming up, amounts we dream of these days. Say what you like about the manager, he deserves at least part of the criticism, but I don't think we're going anywhere higher than 10th while we're skint compared to a lot of other teams. Don't really want to hear this 40 million pounds stuff either, it's a totally different story to have to be spread that amount over a dozen players compared to four or five quality players.
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
Really? I thought we were fucking shit as usual. I don't find it hard to know what to make of us at all or Lambert
Benteke could have had 3 and Clark had a clear header from a corner that he should have scored. We made plenty of chances but wasted them. So we were reasonably good going forward. Defensively we were dire but just to dismiss it all as 'fucking shit' is hardly conducive to any sort of proper debate.
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It has to be said, we've given Rooney an easy ride way too often over the years, but this is up there with his easiest. He'll rarely score an easier double. Free header and a penalty. Merry crimbo Wayne. We'll send you a Granny in the post too, just to make your life even better.
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There's a simple reason why Gabby & Weimann get picked week after week & that's because the alternatives don't exist. The same can be said for practically every position in the team.
We are a poor side that are too easy to play against & I don't see that improving any time soon.
They're decent players though most of the time. They're better in a standard formation with two up front and it would be good to have them battling each other to partner Benteke in that situation. With Guzan, Delph CM, Bacuna RM and a totally new team otherwise (with a couple of leaders), and decent cover on the bench from Westwood and Vlaar, we might have a chance next season. About £50-£60m needed i reckon.
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There's a simple reason why Gabby & Weimann get picked week after week & that's because the alternatives don't exist. The same can be said for practically every position in the team.
We are a poor side that are too easy to play against & I don't see that improving any time soon.
It shouldn't be like that though. Lambert's signed a lot of players.
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I hate these plastic twats with a passion. Benteke wants shooting, how we didn't take at least a point against this one dimensional long ball shite. Benteke missed two sitters, nailed on absolute sitters. He also should have had a stick on penalty.
The defending left a lot to be desired, how Clark lost Rooney I have no idea.
I am raging. They are an awful long ball side, with that dirty c*** Fellani some how conspiring not to get sent off yet again.
I am really looking forward to Gerry whacking these pricks into the middle of next week. I have never known a score line flatter a side so much in all my days.
Big credit to our support, we kept right behind them. As for there's? There is a reason why I am steaming up the M602 without a care in the world; plastic fucking shite.
i share your pain mate and agree with most of what you say. 2 nailed on chances for bent eke and a decent third where he was stretching for it.
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There's a simple reason why Gabby & Weimann get picked week after week & that's because the alternatives don't exist. The same can be said for practically every position in the team.
We are a poor side that are too easy to play against & I don't see that improving any time soon.
It shouldn't be like that though. Lambert's signed a lot of players.
He has, and if many of his young signings aren't cutting it, then why doesn't he look to our own young home grown players? Surely we're raising better than Tonev, Bowery, Sylla, etc.
Robinson has made the bench the last few games. He must be rated, so why not give him a go? Could he be any worse than some of our players? Unlikely.
Is he too young? No, we don't do "too young" anymore. If Messi wants to spunk on a napkin, I'd sooner put that on the pitch than Bowery or Sylla.
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Watched the game on BT with the sound off, as Owen doesn't try to hide his chubby for all things salford.
As for Villa, I want to think that on another day Benteke would have had a brace,
but honestly he does seem to miss his fair share.
Our defending is as haphazard as it was 18 months ago.
We actually seemed to defend worse today the more of the ball we had.
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Front three were pathetic.
This. They cost us the game more than the defence. 1-0 up and every time the ball was played up to them they lost it. Man U get the goal back but are still indecisive and nervy. Going into the half time break the ball is played up to Gabby way in their half of the field. What happens? Fa bio takes it off him they break away and it's a penalty and 2-1 .
Then second half Benteke misses two sitters either of which would have given them nerves again before they get the third and it's game over.
Gabby and Weimanns work rate and ball retention were pathetic and Bentekes wasn't much better. On the few occasions we pressurised them at the back what did they do? Bang it long, either too far in front of Rooney etc or over the touch line out of play.
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Watched the game on BT with the sound off, as Owen doesn't try to hide his chubby for all things salford.
As for Villa, I want to think that on another day Benteke would have had a brace,
but honestly he does seem to miss his fair share.
Our defending is as haphazard as it was 18 months ago.
We actually seemed to defend worse today the more of the ball we had.
they had waddle on the commentary here. He was fair , but absolutely pasted bent eke for his misses. Bit over the top I thought at the time, but right I think in the end.
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Benteke cost us at least a point, he deserves shooting.
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Ashley Westwood's superb 13th-minute free-kick gave Villa hope of a rare Old Trafford victory but the outcome was ultimately all too familiar.
Wayne Rooney equalised with a 20th-minute header and put United ahead with a penalty on the stroke of half-time.
And after Christian Benteke had missed a glorious chance to level things up just after half-time, Juan Mata effectively put the issue beyond doubt with a third goal for the home side in the 57th minute.
Sub Javier Hernandez completed the scoring in stoppage time to inflict Villa's second consecutive 4-1 defeat.
Despite a plane hovering overhead with a banner calling for his departure, David Moyes was given a standing ovation by home supporters as he took the unusual step of making his way down the touchline before the teams emerged from the tunnel before kick-off.
If that was a bold statement of intent by the United manager, though, both sides started in tentative fashion, with chances in short supply at either end before Villa opened the scoring.
Benteke won possession before slipping a pass to Gabby Agbonlahor, who accelerated through the middle before being brought down by Rafael just outside the penalty area.
Westwood curled the free-kick right-footed over United's defensive wall, and although David De Gea made a despairing dive, the keeper could only help the ball into the corner of the net.
Ciaran Clark then ventured forward to head over from Marc Albrighton's free-kick before Brad Guzan was called into action for the first time.
It was a painful experience for the Villa keeper, who needed treatment after being caught by Rooney as he dived to collect Ashley Young's cross.
Guzan's nest task, unfortunately, was to collect the ball from the net after Rooney met Shinji Kagawa's delicate chip with a close-range glancing header which went in off the inside of a post.
Boosted by their equaliser, United threatened again a couple of minutes later, Clark blocking a Rooney shot just side the box before Ron Vlaar made a timely clearance to avert another menacing situation.
Although the game went flat for a while, Villa supporters were delighted when Vlaar displayed his creative flair following a 37th-minute corner which had been partially cleared.
The skipper turned past Marouane Fellaini on the left before delivering a fine cross which Rooney, of all people, cleared with a diving header.
Benteke had a shot charged down following another promising move.
But in the 45th minute, Villa found themselves behind, Rooney despatching his spot kick past Guzan after Leandro Bacuna had brought down Juan Mata as the Spaniard lined up a shot.
Four minutes after the break, the visitors should have been level, Westwood finding Benteke unmarked at the far post with a superbly measured centre.
The striker brought the ball under control but then miskicked completely, and as he lined up a second attempt sub Michael Carrick closed him down at the expense of a corner.
Benteke did considerably better a few minutes later, climbing above home skipper Nemanja Vidic to head just over from Albrighton's cross.
But in the 57th minute, United increased their lead when Mata fired home from eight yards after Fellaini's pass had fortuitously fallen into his path off Vlaar's heel.
As United continued to press, Guzan held a low shot from sub Adnan Januzaj and then produced an even better save to push away Rooney's drive.
Villa responded with a forceful run and shot over the bar from sub Aleksandar Tonev, who also curled a fine 84th-minute effort only narrowly wide.
In stoppage time, Hernandez added number four from close range following a Januzaj cross from the left.
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If Benteke angles for a move away this summer he'll be well served to look back on some of his misses this season and advise himself he needs plenty of seasoning and improvement. No big club is offering our asking price for him at the moment.
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Benteke had a bad day but at least he was getting into goalscoring positions. Were Agbonlahor and Weimann even on the pitch?
What was Clark doing for the first? Bacuna for the second? The lot of them for the third and fourth? We need to buy better defenders. These ones just aren't up to it.
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Goals (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/man-united-4-aston-villa-1-all-goals/)
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Normally we like to treat ailing teams with poor confidence with a quick points injection at VP...but Dr Lambert evidently makes house calls too!
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Generally we didn't play too badly, but let down by some poor defending and finishing.
Nice freekick by Westwood.
Gabby lost the ball twice and we were then 2-1 down, and he didn't really seem to do much after that.
Benteke had 3 great opportunities including the header and should have had 3 goals. It was also probably a penalty when he was taken down by Vidic.
Albrighton created some great chances and really adds to our attacking threat.
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same Villa . one step forward and then 8 goals back
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Someone needs to have a word with the commentator. All this Guzman nonsense every game is doing my nut in.
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Someone needs to have a word with the commentator. All this Guzman nonsense every game is doing my nut in.
He's already scored twice for Swansea.
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Most goals come from poor defensive decisions or mistakes.
Clark's decision to leave Rooney unmarked 6 yards from goal whilst chasing after someone who already had 2 Villa players with him is a classic example of what is wrong with our defending.
The best defenders make the least mistakes or make the right decisions. For a long time almost all of our defenders Dunne / Collins / Baker / Clark / Lowton / Luna / Bennett / Warnock have consistently gifted goals. Until we address these flaws we will always struggle.
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Not a fan of the early kick offs. Really couldnt be ar5sed to watch today but did so until the third went in. Probably for the first time ever I didnt watch or listen to the radio for the final 30 mins.
I think for me this season has really put me off Football. We have a piss poor manager, a piss poor team and piss poor investment from the owner. The top 6 are now so far ahead it makes the whole thing a bit pointless.
As some one said on here the other day, the only thing we currently have to look forward to it a constant battle to finish 10th.
Hopefully I will feel better tomorrow
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If Moyes somehow avoids the sack, then 10th is about all they can hope for as well.
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If Man Utd played us every week they'd have won the title by now.
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Most goals come from poor defensive decisions or mistakes.
Clark's decision to leave Rooney unmarked 6 yards from goal whilst chasing after someone who already had 2 Villa players with him is a classic example of what is wrong with our defending.
The best defenders make the least mistakes or make the right decisions. For a long time almost all of our defenders
Dunne / Collins / Baker / Clark / Lowton / Luna / Bennett / Warnock have consistently gifted goals. Until we address these flaws we will always struggle.
Two villa players did not track the Man U player and that left Clark with the decision do I go or do I stay? Anyone who has played at a reasonable level will say that he has to move to try and cover the player in front of him who has been allowed to run free. Unfortunately that player with the ball had sufficient skill to instantly weigh this up and deliver an inch perfect ball to Rooney.
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If Messi wants to spunk on a napkin, I'd sooner put that on the pitch than Bowery or Sylla.
Outrageously funny!
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I am also happy to report that Ashley Young is utter toss, who would struggle to cross the road, let alone he ball, the bandy legged little shit.
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Lambert league record W 19 D 18 L 32 F 81 A 115.
And we haven't even thrown in the cups.
Dismal.
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The defence may not be covering itself in glory, but it's being let down by what's in front of it.
The midfield is shit, and the sooner Lambert recognises it and brings in some Premier League players to play there alongside Delph, the better. I know Westwood scored and plays some pretty passes, but his defending is absolute gash. He's forever forgetting to track runners from midfield, and doesn't provide any kind of a screen for the back four. That would be fine if he was playing in an attacking midfield position, but he tends to sit in the quarterback role and to do that you need some defensive awareness.
Just before their third, Fletcher I think it was had the ball in midfield about 5 yards inside our half. Delph and Westwood literally both backed away from him - about 10 yards or more - and left him with all the time in the world to pick a pass. It's no wonder Clark/Baker end up isolated. It happens all the time lately. It's really pissing me off.
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For me, we absolutely gifted them that game.
We were in control of the game before both of their first half goals. Both came from Gabby fucking up, and losing the ball cheaply.
Then a soft penalty and it's game over.
No team will ever have a 4 - 1 win so comfortable as UTD did today.
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Lambert league record W 19 D 18 L 32 F 81 A 115.
And we haven't even thrown in the cups.
Dismal.
that is pretty dismal
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Rubbish again ....so predictable. Another wasted year to add to the previous 3 years.
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Garbage, the team is all over the place, no viable alternatives are really available as most of the summer money on the squad was spunked on utter toss that can barely get in the squad.
I really can't wait for this no mark to fucking get the sack.
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Garbage, the team is all over the place, no viable alternatives are really available as most of the summer money on the squad was spunked on utter toss that can barely get in the squad.
I really can't wait for this no mark to fucking get the sack.
The majority of the summer money is on the treatment table.
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I actually thought we played reasonably well for much of the game, except in the vital area of the penalty box where we gifted them three of their four goals while simultaneously wasting several good opportunities ourselves.
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Who is the defensive coach at Bodymoor?
It amazes me how much space Ciaran Clark finds in the penalty area
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Tonev
Helenius
Steer
Luna
You could put a pile of cash in one corner of the pitch and it would have more of an effect on the game. Kozak I've been through before, exactly not what we needed with £7m quid of our money with so many glaring holes elsewhere.
Lambert does not know what he is doing. I get the feeling our wins are despite of him and very rarely because of him. One can only hope that in 12 months times he's getting up and going again with someone elses side.
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Tonev
Helenius
Steer
Luna
You could put a pile of cash in one corner of the pitch and it would have more of an effect on the game. Kozak I've been through before, exactly not what we needed with £7m quid of our money with so many glaring holes elsewhere.
Lambert does not know what he is doing. I get the feeling our wins are despite of him and very rarely because of him. One can only hope that in 12 months times he's getting up and going again with someone elses side.
Those 4 are about £5mill in total.
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Just got back.
What a dreadful day. Traffic was awful and so were we. If you don't/can't go to games, count yourself lucky. It's bad enough supporting this discrace of a team but ten times worse witnessing debacle after debacle.
We just get worse and worse.
Palace won.
Are we safe? Are we really?
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Tonev
Helenius
Steer
Luna
You could put a pile of cash in one corner of the pitch and it would have more of an effect on the game. Kozak I've been through before, exactly not what we needed with £7m quid of our money with so many glaring holes elsewhere.
Lambert does not know what he is doing. I get the feeling our wins are despite of him and very rarely because of him. One can only hope that in 12 months times he's getting up and going again with someone elses side.
Those 4 are about £5mill in total.
Over 12 if you throw in Kozak. If you have limited funds you have to maximise how they are spent. They haven't been. Infact he's not good at maximising anything. Out of his depth but the guys at the top are just the same. No decent manager will be hired by these clowns whilst they remain running the show.
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Tonev
Helenius
Steer
Luna
You could put a pile of cash in one corner of the pitch and it would have more of an effect on the game. Kozak I've been through before, exactly not what we needed with £7m quid of our money with so many glaring holes elsewhere.
Lambert does not know what he is doing. I get the feeling our wins are despite of him and very rarely because of him. One can only hope that in 12 months times he's getting up and going again with someone elses side.
Those 4 are about £5mill in total.
Over 12 if you throw in Kozak. If you have limited funds you have to maximise how they are spent. They haven't been. Infact he's not good at maximising anything. Out of his depth but the guys at the top are just the same. No decent manager will be hired by these clowns whilst they remain running the show.
Your original point though was most of the summer money was spunked on players who can't get in the squad. Kozak was always in the squad and was scoring a few.
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No it wasn't, my original point was the money had been spent on
utter toss that can barely get in the squad
If you think we've got good value for money from that investment then good luck to you. I particularly like the signing of Kozak to covrer Benteke, so if plan A of the long hoof to a big man doesn't work we can switch to plan B, bring on Kozak and play long hoofs to a big man.
The summer £20m has been a major fuck up.
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Just got back.
What a dreadful day. Traffic was awful and so were we. If you don't/can't go to games, count yourself lucky. It's bad enough supporting this discrace of a team but ten times worse witnessing debacle after debacle.
We just get worse and worse.
Palace won.
Are we safe? Are we really?
I admire your fortitude in going... well done!
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Tonev
Helenius
Steer
Luna
You could put a pile of cash in one corner of the pitch and it would have more of an effect on the game. Kozak I've been through before, exactly not what we needed with £7m quid of our money with so many glaring holes elsewhere.
Lambert does not know what he is doing. I get the feeling our wins are despite of him and very rarely because of him. One can only hope that in 12 months times he's getting up and going again with someone elses side.
Those 4 are about £5mill in total.
I'd trade all of them for one half decent 5 mill player to be honest.
I don't see how most of these cheap signings could offer more than what our academy could produce either.
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No it wasn't, my original point was the money had been spent on
utter toss that can barely get in the squad
If you think we've got good value for money from that investment then good luck to you. I particularly like the signing of Kozak to covrer Benteke, so if plan A of the long hoof to a big man doesn't work we can switch to plan B, bring on Kozak and play long hoofs to a big man.
The summer £20m has been a major fuck up.
Again, when fit most of the summer money is in our squad, if not starting 11. Helps if you don't miss out the key part of your post that is incorrect. The only players not now regularly in the squad that were signed in the summer due to ability are Helenius, Luna and Tonev. Which is less than a quarter of our summer spend.
"as most of the summer money on the squad was spunked on utter toss that can barely get in the squad."
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Tonev
Helenius
Steer
Luna
You could put a pile of cash in one corner of the pitch and it would have more of an effect on the game. Kozak I've been through before, exactly not what we needed with £7m quid of our money with so many glaring holes elsewhere.
Lambert does not know what he is doing. I get the feeling our wins are despite of him and very rarely because of him. One can only hope that in 12 months times he's getting up and going again with someone elses side.
Those 4 are about £5mill in total.
I'd trade all of them for one half decent 5 mill player to be honest.
I don't see how most of these cheap signings could offer more than what our academy could produce either.
In hindsight we all would. Although approx £1.5m on Steer and Helenius is worth it. Just for the gamble on potential.
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
Really? I thought we were fucking shit as usual. I don't find it hard to know what to make of us at all or Lambert
Benteke could have had 3 and Clark had a clear header from a corner that he should have scored. We made plenty of chances but wasted them. So we were reasonably good going forward. Defensively we were dire but just to dismiss it all as 'fucking shit' is hardly conducive to any sort of proper debate.
What good does proper debate do us Chris? Just how bad does it have to get? And for how long? The whole thing is 'fucking shit', if you want me to ponce it up for you and be all erudite and write long analyses about whether Helenius should be on the subs bench instead of Lowton yada yada yada, then I can do that very easily. Actually, 'fucking shit' as an overall analysis of the whole debacle this club has become is being kind. Sorry
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Bet Fulham are looking forward to playing us next week .Villa Park the venue if your in need of a win
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Thought we played ok to be honest and only Villa could've lost that game 4-1.
If Benteke bagged the hat-trick of chances he had (two of them being extremely good chances) then who knows...
Gabby needs to be dropped for next game and I'd be tempted to start Albrighton/Bacuna in this position.
Bacuna isn't a full-back. Play Lowton with Bacuna in said position above or as a midfielder.
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Tonev
Helenius
Steer
Luna
You could put a pile of cash in one corner of the pitch and it would have more of an effect on the game. Kozak I've been through before, exactly not what we needed with £7m quid of our money with so many glaring holes elsewhere.
Lambert does not know what he is doing. I get the feeling our wins are despite of him and very rarely because of him. One can only hope that in 12 months times he's getting up and going again with someone elses side.
Those 4 are about £5mill in total.
I'd trade all of them for one half decent 5 mill player to be honest.
I don't see how most of these cheap signings could offer more than what our academy could produce either.
In hindsight we all would. Although approx £1.5m on Steer and Helenius is worth it. Just for the gamble on potential.
A lottery transfer policy just about sums this club up right now.
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How feckin dire was that
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How feckin dire was that
As good an analysis as you'll get. It doesn't take many words to describe how bad things have got
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That was inept. Let's look forward. Seven points from the next 4 games should be achievable and 5 would be enough to then forget about Villa until August and focus on cup finals and the World Cup for other teams, all of which know the ABC basics of defending.
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That was inept. Let's look forward. Seven points from the next 4 games should be achievable and 5 would be enough to then forget about Villa until August and focus on cup finals and the World Cup for other teams, all of which know the ABC basics of defending.
And then what, another brush with relegation next year? Something fundamental has to change or it will happen sooner or later.
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Another 4 yellows today, that is 73 yellows this season .We are bottom of the fair play league by a distance . Every thing about Villa at the moment is so depressing
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
Really? I thought we were fucking shit as usual. I don't find it hard to know what to make of us at all or Lambert
Benteke could have had 3 and Clark had a clear header from a corner that he should have scored. We made plenty of chances but wasted them. So we were reasonably good going forward. Defensively we were dire but just to dismiss it all as 'fucking shit' is hardly conducive to any sort of proper debate.
What good does proper debate do us Chris? Just how bad does it have to get? And for how long? The whole thing is 'fucking shit', if you want me to ponce it up for you and be all erudite and write long analyses about whether Helenius should be on the subs bench instead of Lowton yada yada yada, then I can do that very easily. Actually, 'fucking shit' as an overall analysis of the whole debacle this club has become is being kind. Sorry
richard, like I said before I only saw the second half. But from what I did see, I'd say we were far from 'fucking shit' til the third goal went in, we looked good for the draw in all honesty. I hate Man U and hate losing there, but to say we were fucking shit is a bit harsh in my view. You're entitled to yours obviously.
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We weren't fucking shit at all. Slack at the back yes, but purposeful on the ball and created by far the best chances of the game. Stick on chances, laid on a platter for Benteke who conspired to miss two sitters that would have changed the game, he was unlucky sliding for a third chance, he was bundled over for a penalty that wasn't given, while Clark should have hurried a header.
For once we didn't get what we deserved at Old Trafford.
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Hard to know what to make of that. We gave away poor goals but also missed several good chances. The score line in no way reflected the balance of play.
Really? I thought we were fucking shit as usual. I don't find it hard to know what to make of us at all or Lambert
Benteke could have had 3 and Clark had a clear header from a corner that he should have scored. We made plenty of chances but wasted them. So we were reasonably good going forward. Defensively we were dire but just to dismiss it all as 'fucking shit' is hardly conducive to any sort of proper debate.
What good does proper debate do us Chris? Just how bad does it have to get? And for how long? The whole thing is 'fucking shit', if you want me to ponce it up for you and be all erudite and write long analyses about whether Helenius should be on the subs bench instead of Lowton yada yada yada, then I can do that very easily. Actually, 'fucking shit' as an overall analysis of the whole debacle this club has become is being kind. Sorry
You can't become a debacle.
My point was that it was too simplistic an analysis. We know that Benteke is a good striker yet today he missed the sort of chances that on another day he would put away. Games turn on things like that.
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That was inept. Let's look forward. Seven points from the next 4 games should be achievable and 5 would be enough to then forget about Villa until August and focus on cup finals and the World Cup for other teams, all of which know the ABC basics of defending.
And then what, another brush with relegation next year? Something fundamental has to change or it will happen sooner or later.
This has been the farthest Villa have been from relegation in 4 seasons. Such is our fate, unless you know any Russian or Arab squillionaires you could introduce.
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I don't think we have brushed with relegation at all. We have been 12-10 in the league for pretty much all of it, always with a solid cushion that none of the sides below us have shown any inclination of breaching.
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Haven't read the thread and won't. Benteke's missed chance turned the game. Score that and it's all in the mix. He missed and we folded, as per. Some things never, ever change.
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Didn't see the game, but standard score against them then.
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Four points better off than last year and beginning to suffer our worst defeats at the wrong time.
Other clubs have established themselves as safe mid-table teams without spending as much as we have.
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When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.
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When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.
Won the free-kick we scored from.
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When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.
Won the free-kick we scored from.
He went down like a sack of spuds i thought. I guess that counts though.
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I think we will finish on 39 points. Safe for another season and not much else.
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When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.
Won the free-kick we scored from.
He went down like a sack of spuds i thought. I guess that counts though.
It was the one time he really cranked up the gears. I think as much as anything, Gabby just looks like he's running on empty. He's been overplayed, as has Weimann.
As much as many on here, myself included, don't rate Tonev too much, he was lively when he came on. Okay that didn't result in much, but he's got plenty of energy to burn and speed. I'd be playing Tonev and Albrighton for the next couple of games and take Gab and Andi out of it.
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Gabby shouldn't be on empty though, he's only played 26 games this season. And at least one of those was as a sub. A max of 25 start as we get to April shouldn't have much of an affect.
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What I will say is, we've lost 4-1 to the worst Manure side in a long long time. This probably was our best opportunity to win in some time and we've missed it.
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Gabby shouldn't be on empty though, he's only played 26 games this season. And at least one of those was as a sub. A max of 25 start as we get to April shouldn't have much of an affect.
How many has he played on the spin now though? I do think he's not the only one, a few more need a rest. Weimann has played a hell of a lot too. Maybe for some of these players and all the mindless running we do when we go into headless chicken mode, means 5-10 games on the spin takes its toll. Tonev, though he might not be very good, was a bit of breath of fresh air, largely because he was brimming with so much energy that Gabby (especially) and Andi seemed short of.
I will say, and it's been pointed out too, that Gabby looks heavy set. He's got a bit of Barry Arse going on too in all honesty. I don't know if he's been out at the pie shops with Holt, but he's looking like he needs to shed some timber, which could also be contributing to him looking decidedly lethargic lately.
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I think we will finish on 39 points. Safe for another season and not much else.
Finishing with 2 points less than last season will see Lambert out the door and deservedly so. I reckon we'll get 44 points which might save him.
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Gabby shouldn't be on empty though, he's only played 26 games this season. And at least one of those was as a sub. A max of 25 start as we get to April shouldn't have much of an affect.
How many has he played on the spin now though? I do think he's not the only one, a few more need a rest. Weimann has played a hell of a lot too. Maybe for some of these players and all the mindless running we do when we go into headless chicken mode, means 5-10 games on the spin takes its toll. Tonev, though he might not be very good, was a bit of breath of fresh air, largely because he was brimming with so much energy that Gabby (especially) and Andi seemed short of.
I will say, and it's been pointed out too, that Gabby looks heavy set. He's got a bit of Barry Arse going on too in all honesty. I don't know if he's been out at the pie shops with Holt, but he's looking like he needs to shed some timber, which could also be contributing to him looking decidedly lethargic lately.
4 games in March, 3 in Feb, 3 in Jan. That is why I don't buy the overplayed thing. Weimann maybe because he has played most games when fit and could need a break because he's still young.
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I think we will finish on 39 points. Safe for another season and not much else.
Finishing with 2 points less than last season will see Lambert out the door and deservedly so. I reckon we'll get 44 points which might save him.
I cant see him being sacked. Why would they talk about a new contract? I'd say our peak this season was following a win vs Norwich with the home win vs Man City. We were very healthy in the table at that early stage, its been total crap ever since apart from 2-3 decent results scattered amongst the shit. Its been during this piddling run that the contract had been discussed showing just how content Lerner must be with this joker. I cant see him being sacked.
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Benteke missed some sitters today. One of them was very strange.
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Anyone know the attendance ?
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Anyone know the attendance ?
75,368.
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Gabbys played 10 league games in 2014. What's that? Less than 1 a week or something.
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Benteke missed some sitters today. One of them was very strange.
of the 3 in the 2nd half the first was a sitter and a shocker of a miss. The header he was slightly underneath it rather than coming on to it, it was a very difficult chance. The 3rd would've been a wonder goal, he got a toe on it but there are very few strikers who'd have even managed that.
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Westwood, as neat & tidy as he is with the ball, never tracks his man nor offers any real defensive cover in front of the back four. He does an awful lot of pointing to tell others who to mark etc... We need better options in midfield, in fact we need to have some options everywhere, as the current squad offers no options.
It was by no means a poor performance & 4-1 was very flattering for Man U. They got 3 goals without ever looking threatening.
Man Utd's reign is over & those gloating bastards need to get used to it. Bayern will rip them apart. As much as I dislike Liverpool it would kill Man U fans if they won the league.
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When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.
Won the free-kick we scored from.
He went down like a sack of spuds i thought. I guess that counts though.
I'd be playing Tonev and Albrighton for the next couple of games and take Gab and Andi out of it.
Good shout. I want to see Tonev smash one in, it's gotta happen sooner or later by the amount of practice shots he's got in.
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Sorry but Tonev is dreadful . Has he had a shot on target at all for us yet ?
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Gabby dived for their second goal trying to win a free kick. His diving pisses me off and he needs a kick up the arse for doing it every game.
The 3 up front and formation need changing. You simply cannot afford to keep playing 2 strikers who are off form / not good enough depending on your opinion. 6 league goals between them and both play every week ? Its not as though they create chances for others. As others have said there seems to be a lack of back up despite the numerous signings in the close season.
Don't blame Clarke for the first goal. He can't mark 2 opponents at the same time. Honestly, its impossible
A game of ifs and buts for me. Honestly didn't think we played that badly (probably compared with the rest of the dross this season).
If only Gabby hadn't fallen over
If only Gabby hadn't dived
If only Benteke didn't miss 2 sitters
If only the ref had given the penalty (nailed on)
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Sorry but Tonev is dreadful . Has he had a shot on target at all for us yet ?
Yes he has.
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Sorry but Tonev is dreadful . Has he had a shot on target at all for us yet ?
Yes he has
Oh, when ?
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I remember him forcing a save from a fair range, can't remember who against. Never the less, he's not great but let's not go over the top.
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Sorry but Tonev is dreadful . Has he had a shot on target at all for us yet ?
Yes he has
Oh, when ?
Rödinghausen.
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Sorry but Tonev is dreadful . Has he had a shot on target at all for us yet ?
Yes he has
Oh, when ?
Away at the Stripeys
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I might be doing this wrong, but I saw little to get angry about today. We played okay, they played okay. Their goals went in, ours didn't. Manchester United were always going to get a reaction today - it's unfortunate it was against us. Some of our players did okay, we were unlucky that Benteke didn't have his shooting boots on. It really wasn't as bad as some people are making out.
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We need a proper raking out in the summer.
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I thought it was 4-1? That's pretty bad, whichever way you choose to look at it.
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This Manure side has lost pretty frequently this season, and yet we've still lost 0-3 and 4-1 and it's not really good enough.
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Sorry but Tonev is dreadful . Has he had a shot on target at all for us yet ?
Yes. Can't remember which game it was mind you, but he started it brightly, got a shot on target (not really testing) but regressed to high and wide soon after.
To be fair one of his shots today was a whisker away from the top corner.
He's not great but he's quick, fresh as a daisy, and one of the only options we have. I'll happily throw him in at this point. We're all but safe so we may as well rotate a bit and start getting players like him and Helenius as ready as we can for next season.
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Gabby dived for their second goal trying to win a free kick. His diving pisses me off and he needs a kick up the arse for doing it every game.
The 3 up front and formation need changing. You simply cannot afford to keep playing 2 strikers who are off form / not good enough depending on your opinion. 6 league goals between them and both play every week ? Its not as though they create chances for others. As others have said there seems to be a lack of back up despite the numerous signings in the close season.
Don't blame Clarke for the first goal. He can't mark 2 opponents at the same time. Honestly, its impossible
A game of ifs and buts for me. Honestly didn't think we played that badly (probably compared with the rest of the dross this season).
If only Gabby hadn't fallen over
If only Gabby hadn't dived
If only Benteke didn't miss 2 sitters
If only the ref had given the penalty (nailed on)
Who's Clarke ;)
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I don't understand why we sold Holman and signed Tonev ? That in a nutshell highlights Paul Lamberts vision or lack of
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Tonev's one cross was worse than his shooting.
It was so over hit that it had more chance of ending up on my head than Benteke's
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Tonev's one cross was worse than his shooting.
It was so over hit that it had more chance of ending up on my head than Benteke's
I'm gonna hold on to the slim hope that Tonev will hit one right and smash a 30 yard screamer in the top corner, and from then on play like Ronaldo.
I am however drunk on KFC right now.
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Tonev isn't, and won't be, good enough.
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Sorry but Tonev is dreadful . Has he had a shot on target at all for us yet ?
Yes. Can't remember which game it was mind you, but he started it brightly, got a shot on target (not really testing) but regressed to high and wide soon after.
To be fair one of his shots today was a whisker away from the top corner.
He's not great but he's quick, fresh as a daisy, and one of the only options we have. I'll happily throw him in at this point. We're all but safe so we may as well rotate a bit and start getting players like him and Helenius as ready as we can for next season.
Bang on. It wouldn't hurt giving Robinson 10 mins here and there also.
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We lost 4-1 to the worst man utd side for years and there are people on here who think we played quite well and were unlucky .I never cease to be amazed by some people
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We lost 4-1 to the worst man utd side for years and there are people on here who think we played quite well and were unlucky .I never cease to be amazed by some people
Villa played far better today than they did against Stoke.
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I thought we were terrible against a really poor Utd team.
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United took there chances and today and we didn't. Bacuna had a terrible game again though
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I thought we were terrible against a really poor Utd team.
I thought we created some very good opportunities to get something out of the match. We also made a few mistakes which led to a few of their goals but we had the chances to get back in the game, we didn't take them and ultimately lost. It depends how you want to look at it, just saying 'we were terrible' doesn't really reflect the match.
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We lost 4-1 to the worst man utd side for years and there are people on here who think we played quite well and were unlucky .I never cease to be amazed by some people
Similarly I never cease to be amazed by people embracing the negative. This isn't a pop at you or anybody else - just an observation that with so many people watching the game there's going to be different point of views. As is often pointed out, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the extreme pessimists and extreme optimists.
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Goal 1 2 & 3 schoolboy defending
Their 4th was decent.
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everybody blaming the defending, what about the 3 missed chances by Benteke
just as important
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everybody blaming the defending, what about the 3 missed chances by Benteke
just as important
Some strange misses there. One of them particularly.
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Bad day at the office for him. It could have been an interesting scoreline if it hadn't been!
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A special mention for Bacuna's ridiculous tackle for their penalty. Amateurish.
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A common cheap shot by football pundits is to say "what is the point of Aston Villa?". It used to get my goat, but really, what is the point of us being in the Prem? What are we doing? Apart from guaranteeing ManUre 6 points a season.
History shows that any club that flirts with the bottom three as often as we have in the last few seasons, eventually goes down. Even if Randy splashes the cash, we've replaced too many good/competent players with downright shite it'd take more money than he's got to make us challenge for anything worth getting excited about. Other clubs may be hapy with just surviving the prem, but we're cursed by our history.
This.
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football today is your as good as your owner so say no more
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Goal 1 2 & 3 schoolboy defending
Their 4th was decent.
Apart from none of our 3 defenders tracking back could be bothered to pick him up. They'd thrown in the towel by that stage and one of them was our captain
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A special mention for Bacuna's ridiculous tackle for their penalty. Amateurish.
Technically was it a pen ? Mata didn't even have the ball. It was a rash challenge mind. As for the Benteke fresh air shot, that was odd . Seemed harder to do what he did than score .
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Weimann had another dreadful game. You don't notice him for half an hour and then you realise he's actually on the pitch. When he does get involved, his first touch and control generally are very poor. What's the alternative though? We saw last week that Albrighton's not suited to that central role. Holt's too ponderous and clumsy. I agree with those who thought that Tonev showed a bit of spark and perhaps he deserves a more of a chance. The one shot was way over the bar (but at least he had a go) but the curving shot towards the top corner looked pretty close to me. I'll be interested to see that one on MOTD - but they probably won't show it.
Like others in this thread, I wonder when Robinson will get a chance, even if it's just 15 minutes at the end. He's 19 now, regularly scores goals, including for various England youth teams, and has looked sharp whenever I've seen him.
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When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.
Won the free-kick we scored from.
His poor play led to their first two goals.
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Yernited love playing us. Then again, we'd love playing a team that rolls over like a puppy twice a season. Even when they're at their lowest ebb. What a sad state of affairs.
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Weimann had another dreadful game. You don't notice him for half an hour and then you realise he's actually on the pitch. When he does get involved, his first touch and control generally are very poor. What's the alternative though? We saw last week that Albrighton's not suited to that central role. Holt's too ponderous and clumsy. I agree with those who thought that Tonev showed a bit of spark and perhaps he deserves a more of a chance. The one shot was way over the bar (but at least he had a go) but the curving shot towards the top corner looked pretty close to me. I'll be interested to see that one on MOTD - but they probably won't show it.
Like others in this thread, I wonder when Robinson will get a chance, even if it's just 15 minutes at the end. He's 19 now, regularly scores goals, including for various England youth teams, and has looked sharp whenever I've seen him.
You ranted about a player contributing nothing and didn't mention Gabby. If you're going to point fingers, Gabby deserved a bigger finger than Weimann. I'd also say so did Benteke, who seems to decide more and more when he can and can't be bothered.
Also, the Chelsea game showed us that Albrighton could play Gabbys position.
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I thought I would wait before responding and I havent read through all 15 pages. But I am still so fcukin annoyed at Lambert's tactics today.
Okay it is Manure away, despite their shitness this season, this is Villa, we never do anything up there. But to say they were there for the taking today is an understatement. So what does he do, decides to sit back and not even do the counter attack effectively - well at least not until the game has gone anyway.
Manure were shockingly bad in the first half, that was the moment to strike - free kick aside we did nothing, by the time we did it was too late.
I have given this guy so much leeway, he was my preferred choice, but I haven;t seen anything now in nearly two seasons to get me off my seat and thinking he is getting it right. Nothing will change with the current spending policy and this young and hungry but not very good at football philosophy.
If you compare the squads of today and the last time we won there in 2009, it is quite shocking. That team would have won at a canter today.
I spare one bit of praise for Westwood who seems to be getting better each week - but that isn't saying much I am afraid.
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Weimann had another dreadful game. You don't notice him for half an hour and then you realise he's actually on the pitch. When he does get involved, his first touch and control generally are very poor. What's the alternative though? We saw last week that Albrighton's not suited to that central role. Holt's too ponderous and clumsy. I agree with those who thought that Tonev showed a bit of spark and perhaps he deserves a more of a chance. The one shot was way over the bar (but at least he had a go) but the curving shot towards the top corner looked pretty close to me. I'll be interested to see that one on MOTD - but they probably won't show it.
Like others in this thread, I wonder when Robinson will get a chance, even if it's just 15 minutes at the end. He's 19 now, regularly scores goals, including for various England youth teams, and has looked sharp whenever I've seen him.
You ranted about a player contributing nothing and didn't mention Gabby. If you're going to point fingers, Gabby deserved a bigger finger than Weimann. I'd also say so did Benteke, who seems to decide more and more when he can and can't be bothered.
Also, the Chelsea game showed us that Albrighton could play Gabbys position.
I wish someone would tell Benteke that he's not a "number 10" playmaker and tell him to stay up front, hold the ball up and get himself in the box. He gives the ball away a lot when he drops into those deeper positions and leaves us with noone further up the pitch.
I agree that it is time to maybe have a look at some other options instead of Weimann and Gabby, if only just to wake that pair up a bit.
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Also talk of giving these guys bumper new deals is just ridiculous also - what have they done to earn them. It might sound silly but I have just watched a programme about World War II when Churchill decided to sink the French Naval ship in Algeria. The French naval officer who had to swim for his life through boiling hot oil had me nearly in tears, then I watch a load of not very good football players running around a pitch in sunshine for an hour and a half and picking up £30k no matter what the outcome and it puts everything in perspective. Fcukin shite.
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We lost 4-1 to the worst man utd side for years and there are people on here who think we played quite well and were unlucky .I never cease to be amazed by some people
Similarly I never cease to be amazed by people embracing the negative. This isn't a pop at you or anybody else - just an observation that with so many people watching the game there's going to be different point of views. As is often pointed out, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the extreme pessimists and extreme optimists.
The truth always has been in between both views. I think there is now a lot of anti Lambert, and a few of us still willing to give him a bit more time, not blaming him for everything. Unfortunately there are few, if any pro-Lambert supporters because he hasn't earned it. The body of his work doesn't support outright support which is a massive shame considering so many of us were delighted to see him join the club. In fact, I'd guess even those who have the longest patience might even privately want this to end so they no longer have to defend him. It's all a bit exhausting.
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Bad day at the office for him. It could have been an interesting scoreline if it hadn't been!
If I had as many bad days at the office I would be on a performance improvement plan by now.
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We lost 4-1 to the worst man utd side for years and there are people on here who think we played quite well and were unlucky .I never cease to be amazed by some people
Similarly I never cease to be amazed by people embracing the negative. This isn't a pop at you or anybody else - just an observation that with so many people watching the game there's going to be different point of views. As is often pointed out, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the extreme pessimists and extreme optimists.
The truth always has been in between both views. I think there is now a lot of anti Lambert, and a few of us still willing to give him a bit more time, not blaming him for everything. Unfortunately there are few, if any pro-Lambert supporters because he hasn't earned it. The body of his work doesn't support outright support which is a massive shame considering so many of us were delighted to see him join the club. In fact, I'd guess even those who have the longest patience might even privately want this to end so they no longer have to defend him. It's all a bit exhausting.
We lost 4-1 to the worst man utd side for years and there are people on here who think we played quite well and were unlucky .I never cease to be amazed by some people
Similarly I never cease to be amazed by people embracing the negative. This isn't a pop at you or anybody else - just an observation that with so many people watching the game there's going to be different point of views. As is often pointed out, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the extreme pessimists and extreme optimists.
The truth always has been in between both views. I think there is now a lot of anti Lambert, and a few of us still willing to give him a bit more time, not blaming him for everything. Unfortunately there are few, if any pro-Lambert supporters because he hasn't earned it. The body of his work doesn't support outright support which is a massive shame considering so many of us were delighted to see him join the club. In fact, I'd guess even those who have the longest patience might even privately want this to end so they no longer have to defend him. It's all a bit exhausting.
Sums it up well.
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Bacuna should never play in defence again for us. At fault for their first two goals due to the fact that he is not a defender.
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A common cheap shot by football pundits is to say "what is the point of Aston Villa?". It used to get my goat, but really, what is the point of us being in the Prem? What are we doing? Apart from guaranteeing ManUre 6 points a season.
History shows that any club that flirts with the bottom three as often as we have in the last few seasons, eventually goes down. Even if Randy splashes the cash, we've replaced too many good/competent players with downright shite it'd take more money than he's got to make us challenge for anything worth getting excited about. Other clubs may be hapy with just surviving the prem, but we're cursed by our history.
This.
A certain Mr Moyes turned a similar club from that position into Top 6 regulars.
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I thought it was 4-1? That's pretty bad, whichever way you choose to look at it.
yep 4-1 is bad - I don't think we played 4-1 bad though, we were unlucky and played some decent football today. I started watching in the 2nd half just before benteke's missed sitter and until their 3rd went in I thought we were on top. Even for a spell after that I thought we were a chance to get something.
Painful as it was, it just wasn't our day today. With our side, we'll have days like today until we can get a bit more quality in.
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I thought it was 4-1? That's pretty bad, whichever way you choose to look at it.
yep 4-1 is bad - I don't think we played 4-1 bad though, we were unlucky and played some decent football today. I started watching in the 2nd half just before benteke's missed sitter and until their 3rd went in I thought we were on top. Even for a spell after that I thought we were a chance to get something.
Painful as it was, it just wasn't our day today. With our side, we'll have days like today until we can get a bit more quality in.
I dunno. If you make it as easy as we did for Rooney, you probably deserve everything you get. We gifted him two easy goals and Mata's was really soft too.
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Also talk of giving these guys bumper new deals is just ridiculous also - what have they done to earn them. It might sound silly but I have just watched a programme about World War II when Churchill decided to sink the French Naval ship in Algeria. The French naval officer who had to swim for his life through boiling hot oil had me nearly in tears, then I watch a load of not very good football players running around a pitch in sunshine for an hour and a half and picking up £30k no matter what the outcome and it puts everything in perspective. Fcukin shite.
so the French naval officer would've scored a hatrick at old Trafford to win the game? I know what you're saying and agree to an extent, but its a false comparison really.
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Manure were poor and yet scored 4 goals, that shows it all about us. I like Bacuna, but he is now getting ezposed at right back, my big worry is he has the most brittle confidence as well.
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Cole, Forlan, Macheda & Mata. Struggling for a goal? We'll help you out.
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Also talk of giving these guys bumper new deals is just ridiculous also - what have they done to earn them. It might sound silly but I have just watched a programme about World War II when Churchill decided to sink the French Naval ship in Algeria. The French naval officer who had to swim for his life through boiling hot oil had me nearly in tears, then I watch a load of not very good football players running around a pitch in sunshine for an hour and a half and picking up £30k no matter what the outcome and it puts everything in perspective. Fcukin shite.
so the French naval officer would've scored a hatrick at old Trafford to win the game? I know what you're saying and agree to an extent, but its a false comparison really.
I am saying the French Naval Officer is worth £30k a day for trying to save a generation of people from succumbing to a Nazi dictatorship. But I am fairly sure he would have played better than Bacuna did today into the bargain.
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Also talk of giving these guys bumper new deals is just ridiculous also - what have they done to earn them. It might sound silly but I have just watched a programme about World War II when Churchill decided to sink the French Naval ship in Algeria. The French naval officer who had to swim for his life through boiling hot oil had me nearly in tears, then I watch a load of not very good football players running around a pitch in sunshine for an hour and a half and picking up £30k no matter what the outcome and it puts everything in perspective. Fcukin shite.
so the French naval officer would've scored a hatrick at old Trafford to win the game? I know what you're saying and agree to an extent, but its a false comparison really.
I am saying the French Naval Officer is worth £30k a day for trying to save a generation of people from succumbing to a Nazi dictatorship. But I am fairly sure he would have played better than Bacuna did today into the bargain.
just realised, even if he scored a hatrick it would've only been enough for a draw, unless the bosun was playing too and got a late 96th minute winner!
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Cole, Forlan, Macheda & Mata. Struggling for a goal? We'll help you out.
You forgot Hernandez
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I expected to lose, but to go down 4-1 hurts.
First half we matched them at worst, no way we should have gone in trailing at the break. Very rash from Bacuna, they only had 2 shots on target the whole 45 mins.
Benteke should have made it 2-2, I'm still furious he's missed! Give us some hope FFS. Once it went to 3-1 it was obvious it was game over. We don't have the creativity or energy to break teams down.
Our away support was different class today. My personal favourites were 'you'll soon be City fans!' and 'fuck off back to London' closely followed by 'See you, on the motorway!!'
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We need more songs getting behind the Villa.
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we need a team to get behind first
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So by that logic stop singing unless you support a top 5/6 team?
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Yet again Villa concede goals right at the end of each half. This has been happening for so many years it's untrue. When will they ever learn?
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Hard to believe 4-1 when we started so well. You don't give the likes of Rooney that sort of room. We had them and, once again, gave it away. First half jubilant only to suffer the same old sh*te as them game progressed.
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Couldn't really understand the tactics first half. A goal up, Clark misses a sitter, they have both full backs booked and are all over the place. What do we do? Pressurise them in their own half so they make more mistakes or take the foot off the pedal and back off into our own half and let them regain their confidence? When will we go for the jugular and keep a grip on the game.
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I think most other teams in the league would've cone away with at least a point yesterday. We are just the team you with to play if in 'crisis' as it here's have said.
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Disappointed that we conceded four goals against one of the poorest Man Utd teams I've seen for years. We can't complain too much, we didn't take our chances and we gave away very sloppy goals. I thought the ref was a little bit inconsistent in his bookings as well. Also, I don't like to pick on certain players too much but I thought Gabby was awful. On the plus side, the support great again.
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I think that result and performance has angered me more than any other this season. We just literally threw it away by getting all the basics wrong.
Give Rooney acres of space - check
Dive into tackles in box at OT - check
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I think most other teams in the league would've cone away with at least a point yesterday.
Most other teams?
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
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Couldn't really understand the tactics first half. A goal up, Clark misses a sitter, they have both full backs booked and are all over the place. What do we do? Pressurise them in their own half so they make more mistakes or take the foot off the pedal and back off into our own half and let them regain their confidence? When will we go for the jugular and keep a grip on the game.
When we get a manager who is not tactically clueless .
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So in the cold light of day
This WAS an opportunity lost. It was a game we were in for longer than the final scoreline suggests and yes I agree that if Beneteke buries the chance at 2-1 it could have been very different. In the end though the media revelled in a return to "form" for united. Not the worst we have played but still an opportunity missed
Questions
1. Why having taken the lead last week and then lost the game by stopping playing why did we proceed to do exactly the same thing again. What do the coaching team do all week?
2. After two seasons of team building by Lambert how many players are really good enough to be starters in the Premier League? Not enough for me. 24 months down the track we should see a structure developing but there is none
3. What does Lambert do. Perhaps the team have detailed instructions before the game which when we win they have executed perfectly but I never see him coaching or directing and given the performances I can't believe this is because they are doing as instructed
We won't be relegated and I know Lerner is likely to keep the manager but for me he just isn't good enough and hasn't done enough to show "progress" justifying a new contract. Let's change in Summer and wish him well with whoever he takes into the Championship. Just not us
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When a managers biggest achievement is keeping a side in the Premier League what do you expect. Aston Villa aim just above the gutter and that's what we hit right now.
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Brilliant post !
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Mornin everyone. Put your clocks forward? then we will begin. A better performance than against Stoke generally but the defensive marking was shocking. Wayne Rooney had so much space for their first it was total incompetance at its finest. Just as we thought the defence was finally starting to look like a cohesive unit they proved us wrong. As most of us have commented recently Lambert is just not good enough .His coaching staff do not appear to have the ability to coach. Three or four of the players are not of a standard to play in the top division. They do not have the skills or intelligence required.You can get away with one or two but not three or four.
Whats going to happen then? Nothing! We will probably escape relegation.Benteke will no doubt score a couple for Belguim in the World Cup and then go somewhere else. The manager will sign an improved contract. His coaching staff will also stay and carry on doing whatever
they do during the week and the club owner will say absolutely nothing.
Depressing isnt it? But at least we are currently in the top division and perhaps for the moment we should be grateful for that.
At some stage in the future there will be changes at Villa Park. Anything would be acceptable that starts to take the club forward again.
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Brilliant post !
Sums it up!!!
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Also talk of giving these guys bumper new deals is just ridiculous also - what have they done to earn them. It might sound silly but I have just watched a programme about World War II when Churchill decided to sink the French Naval ship in Algeria. The French naval officer who had to swim for his life through boiling hot oil had me nearly in tears, then I watch a load of not very good football players running around a pitch in sunshine for an hour and a half and picking up £30k no matter what the outcome and it puts everything in perspective. Fcukin shite.
so the French naval officer would've scored a hatrick at old Trafford to win the game? I know what you're saying and agree to an extent, but its a false comparison really.
I am saying the French Naval Officer is worth £30k a day for trying to save a generation of people from succumbing to a Nazi dictatorship. But I am fairly sure he would have played better than Bacuna did today into the bargain.
French footballers from WW2? Non merci... (http://www.theguardian.com/sport/blog/2009/nov/16/france)
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Sorry i should have added
Read the glowing testimonials from satisfied customers,including "overjoyed" of Fulham and "am I dreaming this?" Of Crystal Palace. "Wow we're winning away" of West Ham and "this is so easy,thanks Mr Lambert"of Stoke. Aston Villa-"I can't believe they're not better!"
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No it wasn't, my original point was the money had been spent on
utter toss that can barely get in the squad
If you think we've got good value for money from that investment then good luck to you. I particularly like the signing of Kozak to covrer Benteke, so if plan A of the long hoof to a big man doesn't work we can switch to plan B, bring on Kozak and play long hoofs to a big man.
The summer £20m has been a major fuck up.
Then he brings in Holt
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No it wasn't, my original point was the money had been spent on
utter toss that can barely get in the squad
If you think we've got good value for money from that investment then good luck to you. I particularly like the signing of Kozak to covrer Benteke, so if plan A of the long hoof to a big man doesn't work we can switch to plan B, bring on Kozak and play long hoofs to a big man.
The summer £20m has been a major fuck up.
Then he brings in Holt
Holt is just cover for Kozak and he'll most likely be playing somewhere else next season.
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How laughably shit Tonev was going to be was evident from the first time he touched the ball for us in his first ever game. You could tell that quickly. Think Boulding but worse.
Uncanny...if Martin Rissbrook was still with us, they are the exact words I would expect him to say.
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Watching the graphic on MOTD of how well Saints three English attackers have done all season compared to our fun boy trio - Gabby and Weimann have, what 6 goals between them, made me sigh. Imagine someone of Lallana's talent and beard at the Villa. We'd be set-up for life.
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Clear signs of progress, last year we lost one match 8-0. This season it's taken two matches to concede the same
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No it wasn't, my original point was the money had been spent on
utter toss that can barely get in the squad
If you think we've got good value for money from that investment then good luck to you. I particularly like the signing of Kozak to covrer Benteke, so if plan A of the long hoof to a big man doesn't work we can switch to plan B, bring on Kozak and play long hoofs to a big man.
The summer £20m has been a major fuck up.
Then he brings in Holt
Holt is just cover for Kozak and he'll most likely be playing somewhere else next season.
I agree, Holt is the long ball target man cover for our injured long ball target man cover for our first choice long ball target man. Do we have Bobby Gould as our manager?
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Sorry i should have added
Read the glowing testimonials from satisfied customers,including "overjoyed" of Fulham and "am I dreaming this?" Of Crystal Palace. "Wow we're winning away" of West Ham and "this is so easy,thanks Mr Lambert"of Stoke. Aston Villa-"I can't believe they're not better!"
Your original post was not that funny so there was no need to add to it and make it worse.
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When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.
what fucks me off about gabby is he always smirks when he misses sitter after sitter
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What I will say is, we've lost 4-1 to the worst Manure side in a long long time. This probably was our best opportunity to win in some time and we've missed it.
look on the positive
we lost 4-1 to the best Stoke team I have seen in ages the week before , its not all bad
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Sorry i should have added
Read the glowing testimonials from satisfied customers,including "overjoyed" of Fulham and "am I dreaming this?" Of Crystal Palace. "Wow we're winning away" of West Ham and "this is so easy,thanks Mr Lambert"of Stoke. Aston Villa-"I can't believe they're not better!"
Your original post was not that funny so there was no need to add to it and make it worse.
(http://static.lfgss.com/attachments/7410d1237904524-vic_bob_handbags.jpg)
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Cole, Forlan, Macheda & Mata. Struggling for a goal? We'll help you out.
Yes, we are a comfort club.
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tonev v Holman
I could not stand Holman , thought he was a poor player but holman actually looks a better footballer at this moment
time will tell
what worries me at Villa is most players seem to go backwards here . I thought Bertrand looked very good for first couple of games but lately hes no better than Bennett , we might have well play our own player then chavskis at the moment . Even Luna looked ok for first two then turned into Najwan Ghrayib
Delph has progresed , but he was always quality to be fair but Gabby and Weimann have turned into championship players most of the time and sylla has gone back 3 leagues .
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Sorry i should have added
Read the glowing testimonials from satisfied customers,including "overjoyed" of Fulham and "am I dreaming this?" Of Crystal Palace. "Wow we're winning away" of West Ham and "this is so easy,thanks Mr Lambert"of Stoke. Aston Villa-"I can't believe they're not better!"
Your original post was not that funny so there was no need to add to it and make it worse.
Yes it was, just about summed up Aston Villa.
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What I will say is, we've lost 4-1 to the worst Manure side in a long long time. This probably was our best opportunity to win in some time and we've missed it.
look on the positive
we lost 4-1 to the best Stoke team I have seen in ages the week before , its not all bad
There's always a silver lining if your prepared to look hard enough
So well don't for spotting that little gem
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Sorry i should have added
Read the glowing testimonials from satisfied customers,including "overjoyed" of Fulham and "am I dreaming this?" Of Crystal Palace. "Wow we're winning away" of West Ham and "this is so easy,thanks Mr Lambert"of Stoke. Aston Villa-"I can't believe they're not better!"
Your original post was not that funny so there was no need to add to it and make it worse.
I liked it.
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Dear Premier league team,
Is your manager under pressure?
Does he need a result to quieten your fans?
Does your £20 million misfit need a goal to prove his worth?
Do you need an improved goal difference to see you into Europe?
Need a confidence boosting result before that vital European game?
Have you not won at home/away [delete as appropriate] for 10+ games?
Well help is at hand!
We will play a system that will not hamper your team, our strikers will demonstrate that your makeshift defence IS the best in Europe. Our defenders will not mark your attackers too tightly so that out of form midfielder can get his passing range and look like Messi, amd our Midfield will run around like headless chickens with no puprose.
Please apply for the full 3 points to:-
Paul Lambert
Villa Park
B6
Sorry i should have added
Read the glowing testimonials from satisfied customers,including "overjoyed" of Fulham and "am I dreaming this?" Of Crystal Palace. "Wow we're winning away" of West Ham and "this is so easy,thanks Mr Lambert"of Stoke. Aston Villa-"I can't believe they're not better!"
Your original post was not that funny so there was no need to add to it and make it worse.
I liked it.
Me to, but then I laugh at Michael McIntyre
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No it wasn't, my original point was the money had been spent on
utter toss that can barely get in the squad
If you think we've got good value for money from that investment then good luck to you. I particularly like the signing of Kozak to covrer Benteke, so if plan A of the long hoof to a big man doesn't work we can switch to plan B, bring on Kozak and play long hoofs to a big man.
The summer £20m has been a major fuck up.
Then he brings in Holt
Holt is just cover for Kozak and he'll most likely be playing somewhere else next season.
why ?
whats wrong with just playing Robinson for the ten minutes every 3 games Holt does and just save the wages
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No it wasn't, my original point was the money had been spent on
utter toss that can barely get in the squad
If you think we've got good value for money from that investment then good luck to you. I particularly like the signing of Kozak to covrer Benteke, so if plan A of the long hoof to a big man doesn't work we can switch to plan B, bring on Kozak and play long hoofs to a big man.
The summer £20m has been a major fuck up.
Then he brings in Holt
Holt is just cover for Kozak and he'll most likely be playing somewhere else next season.
why ?
whats wrong with just playing Robinson for the ten minutes every 3 games Holt does and just save the wages
It's a fair point.
I would rather see what the kid has got, than watch Hollt amble around.
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It's worth remembering that at the time us as fans were talking about whether Benteke was fully fit. So I can see whyhe brought Holt in, in case Benteke got injured again rather than leave us with frontline options of Gabby and Andi, neither are prolific, and Robinson and Helenius. So short term cover of a player he knows makes sense. Would have preferred someone better than Holt but I guess in Jan the only loan options are generally older players, misfits or young inexperienced ones.
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Whenever we are really safe he should give Robinson a run. what'd be the harm?
Andi has been dire in recent weeks and Holt, what'd be the point by then?
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I agree. And Helenius. We are as good as safe now barring a freak run of results so i'd start blooding a few of them.
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I agree. And Helenius. We are as good as safe now barring a freak run of results so i'd start blooding a few of them.
It's a pity Grealish isn't around, would like to see him going into next season with a start or two under his belt already.
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Watching the graphic on MOTD of how well Saints three English attackers have done all season compared to our fun boy trio - Gabby and Weimann have, what 6 goals between them, made me sigh. Imagine someone of Lallana's talent and beard at the Villa. We'd be set-up for life.
We'd soon drag him down to our level.
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I agree. And Helenius. We are as good as safe now barring a freak run of results so i'd start blooding a few of them.
It's a pity Grealish isn't around, would like to see him going into next season with a start or two under his belt already.
At least he and a few others are getting competitive starts, albeit at a lower level. I'm quite happy that we look like we're are using the loan system for our youngsters better.
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Has anyone mentioned Westwood? Quality all game. Unfortunate we don't notice when everyone else is so rubbish.
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MotD (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/manchester-united-4-aston-villa-1-motd-2/)
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MotD (http://www.101greatgoals.com/gvideos/manchester-united-4-aston-villa-1-motd-2/)
Just watched that back for the first time. The amount of time their player was given to put the cross over for their first goal was shocking
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Was in an executive box in the Sir Alex Ferguson (a friend got some tickets through work) when Villa scored and we celebrated the stewards cane to us and said "you know things have not been going well and the fans are edgy, so can you refrain from celebrating" I said we have had that for yrs !! he basically blanked my remark and shot off !! I will never go there again, they are a plastic set of people who have been spoilt and are now like sulking like babies ........ Would rather be a fan who has experienced every emotion with my local club than anyone of those empty so called " fans" ......
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I knew we wouldn't get anything there but if Benteke would have had his scoring boots on things might have been different.
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I hate ManU, I really do. I hate their slimey fans who are almost universally not from Manchester and I hate losing to them.
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I hate the fact that they're having their first bad season in over two decades and some of their fans hire a plane to kick up a fuss. I hate the fact that they're having their first bad season in over two decades and yet they still beat us by three clear goals both times they played us.
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I hate the fact that they were there for the taking yday, poorly organized at the back, vulnerable mentally, and we didn't have the players to be able to take advantage of that.Too many non-penetrable passes, nothing that really hurt them.We had more attempts than them, but apart from CB we had no one who looked like scoring.We are a poor team, they are a poor team, that is the most disappointing thing, we should have beat them yday.
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I agree. And Helenius. We are as good as safe now barring a freak run of results so i'd start blooding a few of them.
It's a pity Grealish isn't around, would like to see him going into next season with a start or two under his belt already.
what happened to Carruthers
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I agree. And Helenius. We are as good as safe now barring a freak run of results so i'd start blooding a few of them.
It's a pity Grealish isn't around, would like to see him going into next season with a start or two under his belt already.
what happened to Carruthers
He has knee injury - posterior cruciate I think.
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I hate the fact that they were there for the taking yday, poorly organized at the back, vulnerable mentally, and we didn't have the players to be able to take advantage of that.Too many non-penetrable passes, nothing that really hurt them.We had more attempts than them, but apart from CB we had no one who looked like scoring.We are a poor team, they are a poor team, that is the most disappointing thing, we should have beat them yday.
One thing we've seen a fair amount this season is that when a team is there for the taking, we invariably fail to take them, yet are more likely than most to take something when the opposition is not considered to be there for the taking in any way, shape or form.
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Watching the graphic on MOTD of how well Saints three English attackers have done all season compared to our fun boy trio - Gabby and Weimann have, what 6 goals between them, made me sigh. Imagine someone of Lallana's talent and beard at the Villa. We'd be set-up for life.
We'd soon drag him down to our level.
We've arguably had two players with his talent at Villa in recent years - Ireland and N'Zogbia - and both have been workshy charlatans.
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Has anyone mentioned Westwood? Quality all game. Unfortunate we don't notice when everyone else is so rubbish.
He got some praise from page 1 onwards.
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To many players not at the races and we cannot afford that, defence awful, Gabby and Andy what do they contribute.
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I think most other teams in the league would've cone away with at least a point yesterday.
Most other teams?
Yes.
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Watching the graphic on MOTD of how well Saints three English attackers have done all season compared to our fun boy trio - Gabby and Weimann have, what 6 goals between them, made me sigh. Imagine someone of Lallana's talent and beard at the Villa. We'd be set-up for life.
We'd soon drag him down to our level.
We've arguably had two players with his talent at Villa in recent years - Ireland and N'Zogbia - and both have been workshy charlatans.
Correct
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Watching the graphic on MOTD of how well Saints three English attackers have done all season compared to our fun boy trio - Gabby and Weimann have, what 6 goals between them, made me sigh. Imagine someone of Lallana's talent and beard at the Villa. We'd be set-up for life.
We'd soon drag him down to our level.
We've arguably had two players with his talent at Villa in recent years - Ireland and N'Zogbia - and both have been workshy charlatans.
Correct
Ireland moaning about his time with Villa on Sky web site. Funny I remember moaning about watching him with his hands on his hips for the majority of his career.
God I hate footballers
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I agree. And Helenius. We are as good as safe now barring a freak run of results so i'd start blooding a few of them.
Given the way Villa are playing and our luck, I hope your right, but if we lose to Fulham we might still slip into the mire. A bottom six position still looks a possibility.
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This is what I said on the pre-match thread:
"We will play them back into form"
I'm not used to being right!
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Watching the graphic on MOTD of how well Saints three English attackers have done all season compared to our fun boy trio - Gabby and Weimann have, what 6 goals between them, made me sigh. Imagine someone of Lallana's talent and beard at the Villa. We'd be set-up for life.
We'd soon drag him down to our level.
We've arguably had two players with his talent at Villa in recent years - Ireland and N'Zogbia - and both have been workshy charlatans.
Correct
Ireland moaning about his time with Villa on Sky web site. Funny I remember moaning about watching him with his hands on his hips for the majority of his career.
God I hate footballers
Ireland deserves a slap.
Actually scrub that - Ireland deserves a full blown beating.
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I agree. And Helenius. We are as good as safe now barring a freak run of results so i'd start blooding a few of them.
It's a pity Grealish isn't around, would like to see him going into next season with a start or two under his belt already.
what happened to Carruthers
He has knee injury - posterior cruciate I think.
Typical of our luck. We've had some dodgy knees over the years, including my wife and myself.