Manchester Utd vs Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Tom_Mc9?]

Bad day at the office for him. It could have been an interesting scoreline if it hadn't been!

[Pete3206]

A special mention for Bacuna's ridiculous tackle for their penalty. Amateurish.

[olaftab]

A common cheap shot by football pundits is to say "what is the point of Aston Villa?".  It used to get my goat, but really, what is the point of us being in the Prem?  What are we doing?  Apart from guaranteeing ManUre 6 points a season.

History shows that any club that flirts with the bottom three as often as we have in the last few seasons, eventually goes down.  Even if Randy splashes the cash, we've replaced too many good/competent players with downright shite it'd take more money than he's got to make us challenge for anything worth getting excited about.  Other clubs may be hapy with just surviving the prem, but we're cursed by our history.

This.

[curlytailavfc]

football today is your as good as your owner so say no more

[myf]

Goal 1 2 & 3 schoolboy defending
Their 4th was decent.

Apart from none of our 3 defenders tracking back could be bothered to pick him up. They'd thrown in the towel by that stage and one of them was our captain

[silhillvilla]

A special mention for Bacuna's ridiculous tackle for their penalty. Amateurish.

Technically was it a pen ? Mata didn't even have the ball. It was a rash challenge mind. As for the Benteke fresh air shot, that was odd . Seemed harder to do what he did than score .

[frank]

Weimann had another dreadful game. You don't notice him for half an hour and then you realise he's actually on the pitch. When he does get involved, his first touch and control generally are very poor. What's the alternative though? We saw last week that Albrighton's not suited to that central role. Holt's too ponderous and clumsy. I agree with those who thought that Tonev showed a bit of spark and perhaps he deserves a more of a chance. The one shot was way over the bar (but at least he had a go) but the curving shot towards the top corner looked pretty close to me.  I'll be interested to see that one on MOTD - but they probably won't show it.

Like others in this thread, I wonder when Robinson will get a chance, even if it's just 15 minutes at the end. He's 19 now, regularly scores goals, including for various England youth teams, and has looked sharp whenever I've seen him.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

When Gabby left the pitch he gave a little smirk of 'You're taking me off' can anybody think of a single decent thing he did today because i'm struggling. The commentator also said he looks overweight.

Won the free-kick we scored from.

His poor play led to their first two goals.

[Des Little]

Yernited love playing us.  Then again, we'd love playing a team that rolls over like a puppy twice a season. Even when they're at their lowest ebb. What a sad state of affairs.

[Can Gana Be Bettered!?!?]

Weimann had another dreadful game. You don't notice him for half an hour and then you realise he's actually on the pitch. When he does get involved, his first touch and control generally are very poor. What's the alternative though? We saw last week that Albrighton's not suited to that central role. Holt's too ponderous and clumsy. I agree with those who thought that Tonev showed a bit of spark and perhaps he deserves a more of a chance. The one shot was way over the bar (but at least he had a go) but the curving shot towards the top corner looked pretty close to me.  I'll be interested to see that one on MOTD - but they probably won't show it.

Like others in this thread, I wonder when Robinson will get a chance, even if it's just 15 minutes at the end. He's 19 now, regularly scores goals, including for various England youth teams, and has looked sharp whenever I've seen him.

You ranted about a player contributing nothing and didn't mention Gabby. If you're going to point fingers, Gabby deserved a bigger finger than Weimann. I'd also say so did Benteke, who seems to decide more and more when he can and can't be bothered.

Also, the Chelsea game showed us that Albrighton could play Gabbys position.

[kippaxvilla2]

I thought I would wait before responding and I havent read through all 15 pages.  But I am still so fcukin annoyed at Lambert's tactics today.

Okay it is Manure away, despite their shitness this season, this is Villa, we never do anything up there.  But to say they were there for the taking today is an understatement.  So what does he do, decides to sit back and not even do the counter attack effectively - well at least not until the game has gone anyway.

Manure were shockingly bad in the first half, that was the moment to strike - free kick aside we did nothing, by the time we did it was too late.

I have given this guy so much leeway, he was my preferred choice, but I haven;t seen anything now in nearly two seasons to get me off my seat and thinking he is getting it right.  Nothing will change with the current spending policy and this young and hungry but not very good at football philosophy.

If you compare the squads of today and the last time we won there in 2009, it is quite shocking.  That team would have won at a canter today.

I spare one bit of praise for Westwood who seems to be getting better each week - but that isn't saying much I am afraid.

[tomd2103]

Weimann had another dreadful game. You don't notice him for half an hour and then you realise he's actually on the pitch. When he does get involved, his first touch and control generally are very poor. What's the alternative though? We saw last week that Albrighton's not suited to that central role. Holt's too ponderous and clumsy. I agree with those who thought that Tonev showed a bit of spark and perhaps he deserves a more of a chance. The one shot was way over the bar (but at least he had a go) but the curving shot towards the top corner looked pretty close to me.  I'll be interested to see that one on MOTD - but they probably won't show it.

Like others in this thread, I wonder when Robinson will get a chance, even if it's just 15 minutes at the end. He's 19 now, regularly scores goals, including for various England youth teams, and has looked sharp whenever I've seen him.

You ranted about a player contributing nothing and didn't mention Gabby. If you're going to point fingers, Gabby deserved a bigger finger than Weimann. I'd also say so did Benteke, who seems to decide more and more when he can and can't be bothered.

Also, the Chelsea game showed us that Albrighton could play Gabbys position.

I wish someone would tell Benteke that he's not a "number 10" playmaker and tell him to stay up front, hold the ball up and get himself in the box.  He gives the ball away a lot when he drops into those deeper positions and leaves us with noone further up the pitch. 

I agree that it is time to maybe have a look at some other options instead of Weimann and Gabby, if only just to wake that pair up a bit.   

[kippaxvilla2]

Also talk of giving these guys bumper new deals is just ridiculous also - what have they done to earn them.  It might sound silly but I have just watched a programme about World War II when Churchill decided to sink the French Naval ship in Algeria.  The French naval officer who had to swim for his life through boiling hot oil had me nearly in tears, then I watch a load of not very good football players running around a pitch in sunshine for an hour and a half and picking up £30k no matter what the outcome and it puts everything in perspective.  Fcukin shite.

[Toronto Villa]

We lost 4-1 to the worst man utd side for years and there are people on here who think we played quite well and were unlucky .I never cease to be amazed by some people

Similarly I never cease to be amazed by people embracing the negative. This isn't a pop at you or anybody else - just an observation that with so many people watching the game there's going to be different point of views. As is often pointed out, the truth is probably somewhere in the middle of the extreme pessimists and extreme optimists.

The truth always has been in between both views. I think there is now a lot of anti Lambert, and a few of us still willing to give him a bit more time, not blaming him for everything. Unfortunately there are few, if any pro-Lambert supporters because he hasn't earned it. The body of his work doesn't support outright support which is a massive shame considering so many of us were delighted to see him join the club. In fact, I'd guess even those who have the longest patience might even privately want this to end so they no longer have to defend him. It's all a bit exhausting.

[kippaxvilla2]

Bad day at the office for him. It could have been an interesting scoreline if it hadn't been!

If I had as many bad days at the office I would be on a performance improvement plan by now.