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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on February 02, 2013, 04:40:59 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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I give up, what a shambles.
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Most people would have taken a point before the game. But fuck me, what a sickner.
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6 minutes extra time wtf!
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With our players, the referee, and the Everton crowd, this must go down in history as the highest ever concentration of useless twats per square mile.
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Two points thrown away
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Fucking shit!!
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A point at Goodison is well deserved. But we need to start learning to keep hold of leads and start picking up some 3 pts or we'll be going down going by the results of others around us
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Corners & Vlaar are a lethal combination. Nice socks. Sylla interesting. Good effort, but not enough when 3-1 up.
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7 goals in our last 3 away league games, leading in all of them going into the last 10 minutes. Two up in 2 of them. Total points 3.
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The ref was a wanker but we can't keep doing this to ourselves.
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Three more conceded, how many is that this season? And we signed no defenders in the window. That's why we'll go down. And it's sooo annoying, because we probably have a top 6 attack.
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So predictable. I'm so unsurprised I'm not even angry.
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Disgrace I give up with this lot.
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Bad ref or no bad ref, you still have to defend what is thrown at you.
Our defence is apalling and that is what will cost us our Premier League place.
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Do we go again now?
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its a point which I would have welcomed at 3pm.......but for god's sake can't we learn to defend from corners
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If only we had signed Moussa Sissoko 2 goals and 1 assist (against us already!)
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A good point that feels like a defeat.
As soon as I saw 6 mins of injury time i knew we would be lucky to hold on.
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Most people would have taken a point before the game. But fuck me, what a sickner.
That's it. We have no choice but to be positive. We have stopped the rot, scored and created chances. Wet Spam is massive.
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We just make it way too easy for every team we play to score goals. Feel sorry for Benteke, Gabby etc....scored some good goals the last few games and they mean absolutely nothing
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They simply do not have either the passion or desire to win games of football, yet again we concede a late goal from a corner, this is beyond absurd.
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You know what, we were very good today, and that referee has actually shat all over us. That performance from him was an absolute, total and utter disgrace, and he shouldn't be allowed to see another game of football, let alone officiate at one.
Sure, we're paying the price for how poor we've been at defending leads, but talk about luck going against you there. That was horrendous.
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its a point which I would have welcomed at 3pm.......but for god's sake can't we learn to defend from corners
I thought we did well at corners in general today we just gave away too many!
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>:(Useless wankers...again! >:(
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Another step along our inevitable journey to relegation.
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7 goals in our last 3 away league games, leading in all of them going into the last 10 minutes. Two up in 2 of them. Total points 2.
Lambert should pin that up on the wall and tell the defence to start contributing.
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A point at Goodison is well deserved. But we need to start learning to keep hold of leads and start picking up some 3 pts or we'll be going down going by the results of others around us
Deserved to win but for somewhat dubious ref 50/50 decisions always Evertons and usual defence errors and missed chances
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Benteke Must be sorely pissed off in this team, no matter what he does it all gets negated by the clowns at the back.
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Once again we find ourselves stuck with a decent result that feels like a loss.
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Didn't watch the game, but all I saw was corner in last minute conceded just devestating. Whatever happened in the game, you can't concede 3 goals and hope to win.
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The goals were not suprising, but if the ref gives corners continually that come of Everton players, free kicks that are not free kicks, and essentially by this keeps you pinned in your half, you don't stand a chance.
We were diddled today by the ref.
Oh and we should have got Baker and Sylla on at 3-1 and how Weimann made 90 minutes is anyones guess, while Holman didn't touch the ball once.
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2nd from bottom and with our goal difference we are 3 points from safety
Not good
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Not good enough. The last half an hour illustrated exactly why we're going down. When we're a goal or two up, we get complacent. When they get one back, we collapse. We had opportunities to keep the ball, take it into corners, fall on the ground, anything, just run down the clock. But no, we're so stupid we just give it back to them. We threw it away, just like we're throwing out Premier League status away.
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3 points from safety we are getting into real trouble now.
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Where did the 6 mins extra time come from ?
And Concrete Ron ? Think some one was taking the piss in Holland when they gave him that nickname.
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Benteke Must be sorely pissed off in this team, no matter what he does it all gets negated by the clowns at the back.
The corner goals conceded about half have been down to him. Same desire in our box and we would be 6 points better off.
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good point but what a sickener.
Still think we are down. Great goals but we are always going to concede that many but not score.
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I'd prefer an 8-0 defeat to that. At least I can shrug my shoulders and say "fuck it", but this is just fucking torture.
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Well that was predictable. It was torture because I was waiting for it to happen, it was going to happen.
We can't hold on.from winning positions which is why we look like we might be relegated.
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No doubt Lambert will get it in the neck as will the players but the ref was an out and out wanker anything 50/50 went their way and 6 mins injury time?
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3 goals good. Using the width of the pitch more effectively, but still, it's 1 point instead of 3 that we had in the bag. Throwing away points as we do is a crime. Frankly they should just fucking relegate us now and have done with it. We don't deserve to stay up.
The defence is shambolic.
Benteke is far too good for us.
N'Zog is hitting some form at the right time but I'm not sure it'll make enough difference.
Fullbacks can't defend. The centre of defence has no stability. Very poor all round. I don't really rate Vlaar. Clark is a nightmare.
Why oh why did we not buy 1-2 (hell 3-4) defenders? That's the final nail in the coffin.
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Last three away games with not long left we've been wining.
However, instead of 9 points we have 3. 6 points would've made a huge difference.
Starting to lose ground on teams around us.
Reading score late goals to win games and Chelsea are doing their best to help relegate us.
FUCK!!!
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Another surrender. Lambert out.
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Got to say, I have a feeling this will be the bottom 3 come the end of the season.
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What an absolute fuckin sickener. Yet another set piece, yet another fuck up. Dreadful defence yet that muppet didnt think strengthening the defence was a priority.
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Lambert will get in the neck because he didn't do anything about the defence. He's taking us down.
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How many fucking times? Tell me. This isn't a this season thing, it feels like every year. We have thrown away our PL place because we simply cannot do basic things. Defending fucking corners, taking them, just basic disciplines of the game. That's down to the players and to coaching and we are inept in both areas.
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It was all so inevitable. Results around us have not been great either.
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We just didn't keep the ball well enough. Especially after it was 3-2. Why do we boot the ball long from goal kicks? Why go for the fourth goal rather than take the sting out of the game. Gabby had the right idea walking off slowly. We are so shit at the sort of thing that Newcastle excelled at the other day, stopping the opposition from building up momentum.
At 3-1 all the results fell into place for us. Then it all went to shit again.
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Vlaar may look the part but he's far from good enough.
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In fairness our away form for a bottom 3 team is quite good, it's our horrendous results at Villa Park that are sending us down.
Even more useless is Lambert. Why oh why has he refused to even sign one defensive player this window seeing as our attacking players are finally turning up this season.
It's criminal that they're having to score 2 and 3 goals a game just to get a point from games.
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Other teams around us all picking up points as well. We#re now 6 points behind Newcaslte. You simply can't defend like we do and survive, but we all know that and Lambert did nothing to address it.
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Most people had us down for a serious pasting. We almost won despite a ref which by all accounts was a disgrace.
A point on the board. Well done lads.
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7 goals in our last 3 away league games, leading in all of them going into the last 10 minutes. Two up in 2 of them. Total points 2.
Lambert should pin that up on the wall and tell the defence to start contributing.
oooops, obviously that should be 3 points, not 2.
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The last 3 away games in the league.Swansea, Baggies, now Everton. We could have won all three, 6 points thrown away due to schoolboy defending.
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You make your own luck so let's not blame the referee.
We all knew we needed to buy an defender and start defending corners.
That's why we are looking nailed on for relegation.
Anything less than three points in the next game is almost unthinkable.
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Vlaar may look the part but he's far from good enough.
Most overrated Villa player in years. Concrete, my arse.
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so so nearly there today but why is no one surprised we have to learn how to hold onto a lead, everyone on the pre match thread said what Fellani would do why did our Manager not do something about it. Point more than I expected quite a few good points but for god sake sort out our defending 3 goals away from home and get nothing what the f...
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What an absolute fuckin sickener. Yet another set piece, yet another fuck up. Dreadful defence yet that muppet didnt think strengthening the defence was a priority.
Agreed, this is where Lambert IS to blame. Our attacking players won't relegate us, having blind faith in Clark and Bennett WILL.
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You make your own luck so let's not blame the referee.
We all knew we needed to buy an defender and start defending corners.
That's why we are looking nailed on for relegation.
Anything less than three points in the next game is almost unthinkable.
By continually giving them corners that should have been goal kicks he caused us to be under even more pressure.
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You get the feeling if we score 6 we'll concede 6, if we score 8 we'll concede 8. That's 6 points we've thrown away against Swansea, Albion and Everton from winning positions. Which is why we will go down. A chance lost to gain points on QPR and Wigan. And Reading have won again.
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We've thrown away so many games through diabolical defending of set pieces it's just unforgivable.
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i can't take much more of this. its like a reoccuring nightmare week after week.
other results mean we're even more in the shit now
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I cant help but think that with the other results today, we will look back and think this was the day that really shfted us ( not that the rest of the season hasnt)
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Most people had us down for a serious pasting. We almost won despite a ref which by all accounts was a disgrace.
A point on the board. Well done lads.
Nonsense. 3-1 should have been 3 points in the bag.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
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You make your own luck so let's not blame the referee.
We all knew we needed to buy an defender and start defending corners.
That's why we are looking nailed on for relegation.
Anything less than three points in the next game is almost unthinkable.
You don't make your own luck that's completely idiotic! He never gave us one 50/50 decision.
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So the second goal comes from a free kick that wasn't a foul.
And the third a corner that wasn't a corner.
Osman stays on after karate kicking Westwood.
Every single tackle or coming together is an Everton free kick.
Guzan is fouled on almost every corner.. get nothing.
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7 goals in our last 3 away league games, leading in all of them going into the last 10 minutes. Two up in 2 of them. Total points 2.
Lambert should pin that up on the wall and tell the defence to start contributing.
... and hang the lot of them on meat-hooks for 24 hours every time they concede from corners. Let's see how often they lose their concentration then, eh.
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Crap defense. No matter how many we score they'll concede just as many.
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Refuse to be disappointed with a 3-3 draw away at Everton. However to be 2 goals up and still only come away with a draw, with their equaliser coming in injury time from a corner, is something you could have put any amount of money on...the same problems remain...
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England are thrashing Scotland at rugby on BBC1. Will bury head in that for 30 minutes and try to forget round ball woes.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
Get a grip mate. 3-1 we should have won the game. Now we're in a worst position than we were in before we kicked off. What's to be pleased about?
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Huge week next week. Toon go to Spurs, Wigan go to Chelsea (who have been seemingly on a mission to do nothing but wreck our season), Reading go to Stoke, QPR go to Swansea and we are at home to West Ham. This is the best chance we could have, realistically, for all the results in one weekend to go our way. You just know we'll piss it up.
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Just to further rub salt in the wounds, Sissoko scores twice today for a seemingly resurgent newcastle. Bollocks. I'll pass no comment yet on Sylla but I still think we missed a beat on Sissoko who we've been linked with a lot in the last few years.
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Feel sick with one point and even worse given the other results - we are still 2nd bottom and now 6 points behind Newcastle in 15th.
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Back in the car with my Evertonian mate. A point more than I expected at 3 o'clock, but for the love of god. The last three away games could have yielded 9 points, which, in addition to losing every home game, is why we're going down.
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Why, oh why did we not buy a Centre Half.
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
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Crap defense. No matter how many we score they'll concede just as many.
But the manager in his wisdom didnt think strengthening our worst defence in history was a priority. He's utterly clueless, a fuckin disgrace to the claret and blue.
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A point away at top four contender Everton?
Happy with that. Also happy that we've been in the position to win these games. I mean eventually we are going to have some luck and pick up all three so I'm pleased.
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Plus points:
Benteke is really, really good.
As shit as it feels, we didn't lose.
N'Zogbia, Agbolahor, Westwood, Lowton all played well.
Sylla, on very limited evidence, looked alright.
Negative Points:
The defending. I mean, for Christ's sake, where do you start? Clark and Vlaar making the same, stupid mistakes game after game - are they being coached at all?
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You have to defend 3-1 leads with 21 minutes to go, it is that simple.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
Get a grip mate. 3-1 we should have won the game. Now we're in a worst position than we were in before we kicked off. What's to be pleased about?
Clearly both are right, calm down lads. 3-3 away at Everton is good. Losing a 2 goal lead is bad. Our position is bad. But we're starting to score, which is good. Not in a good position but we're not down yet.
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Cannot possibly be pleased with a point. Beforehand yes, I'd have snapped ye arm off but in this business, if you have the game in your hands and can put it to bed, you have to do so or you're not good enough for this level of football. Seemingly we're not.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
Get a grip mate. 3-1 we should have won the game. Now we're in a worst position than we were in before we kicked off. What's to be pleased about?
slam them when we play badly and lose, but when you put a good performance in at a tough away ground and come away with a point, then you hve to give them some credit, especially the way we have been playing
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I'm getting tired of the players having their hands on their heads at the end of the game. Problem is we have to beat West Ham next week, and then somehow beat Arsenal or Man City and then beat Reading and QPR. We're now at the stage, plucky draws are simply not good enough.
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Sickening really. Played great stuff going forward at times. Benteke made a fool of Heitinga. Gabby with a great header, Weimann lively but a shocking miss. Nzogbia superb in the first half and I thought Westwood had a good game in midfield. Lowton was involved with 2 goals.
But Clark was woeful beyond belief today, was crying out for him to go to left back and Baker to match Anichebe physically. Vlaar not much better, Bennett is patently not good enough for this level. When we were crying out for a bit of experience to steady the ship we threw in a kid from the French second division and Brett Holman. That says it all I'm afraid
Not down yet but those 2 extra points already seem crucial
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Just to further rub salt in the wounds, Sissoko scores twice today for a seemingly resurgent newcastle. Bollocks. I'll pass no comment yet on Sylla but I still think we missed a beat on Sissoko who we've been linked with a lot in the last few years.
Bids were being rejected for him (15M) last year. This is the first year he was available, he was never going to come here. He's joined his french mates and he's on insane wages. We didn't miss a beat, we didn't have a hope of getting him.
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We have to score 3 wonder goals every game to get a fucking draw.
The ref was as bad a I've ever seen. That assault by the Everton lad towards the end was an obvious red card. Not even debatable. A straight red. Every single time an Everton player fell over - tooot on his whistle.
As for our defending. Yet again, an abomination.
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
I think he's pretty poor to start with. Average, maybe.
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
I'm not sure too many people think he's that good to be fair.
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
Does anyone here seriously rate him? He's looked average at his best since day one. We all kind of bought into the hole Concrete enigma, but it's proved to be absolute bollocks. The sooner we get Dunne back, the better. He's the best of a thoroughly mediocre bunch.
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The owner and the manager are the ones who decided the with a -26 GD there was no need to sign any defenders so at the end of the season they are the ones who should be held culpable
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
Does anyone here seriously rate him? He's looked average at his best since day one. We all kind of bought into the hole Concrete enigma, but it's proved to be absolute bollocks. The sooner we get Dunne back, the better. He's the best of a thoroughly mediocre bunch.
totally agree - I would also take Collins back like a shot. And Mellberg at 42 or whatever. And to be honest Kent Neilsen.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
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Crap defense. No matter how many we score they'll concede just as many.
But the manager in his wisdom didnt think strengthening our worst defence in history was a priority. He's utterly clueless, a fuckin disgrace to the claret and blue.
He also hasn't learnt that sitting on a lead does not work and yet he does it time and time again.
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when you score three at everton you really do expect to win. great offensive play but once again the defending prowess of a sunday league pub team still pissed frrom the night before
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Dunne and Vlaar were the 2 worst centre halves at the Euros
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
just fuck of mate
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I think my toes have frozen its that cold.
Gutted amd pleased at the same time.
We shouldeight points better off in 2013.
We showes today that we can compete, we have come to a very tough place and got a point. It aimt over yet.
And Dunne, get fot soon!
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If you hadn't watched the game and looked at the stats you'd be amazed we got a draw. They had 64% possession , 22 shots, 13 on target and 15 corners to our 2. We had 4 shots on target and scored 3.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
just fuck of mate
Less of that John. Please apologise.
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Disappointing not to win but a great point that could prove useful come season's end.
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A lot of comments regarding not buying a Centre Half (quite rightly). However, Lambert is quoted as saying he couldn't bring one in because of the wages AND THAT IS DOWN TO OUR PRICK OF AN OWNER.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
just fuck of mate
Whats the point of that comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How far is Dunne from fitness. Even if he's not the best he's ever been now, he's an experienced central defender and is exactly what we need right now. We didn't sign anyone in that position, a player coming back in that part of the pitch is a next best...
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My 2 year old son just said 'whats wrong daddy?', bless him.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
just fuck of mate
Well that's SR told.
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Gutted 3-1 up I thought we would win like I say gutted.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
just fuck of mate
Whats the point of that comment!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
just fuck off mate i joke of course
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I think my toes have frozen its that cold.
Gutted amd pleased at the same time.
We shouldeight points better off in 2013.
We showes today that we can compete, we have come to a very tough place and got a point. It aimt over yet.
And Dunne, get fot soon!
I agrie. The soener Dunne is fot the bitter ;-)
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sorry, small rodent
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Has any other club got as bad a record as us for pissing leads away? It's been going back to MON's time. I suppose the only up-side is had they scored the equaliser a few minutes earlier they would have likely gone on to win.
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How far is Dunne from fitness. Even if he's not the best he's ever been now, he's an experienced central defender and is exactly what we need right now. We didn't sign anyone in that position, a player coming back in that part of the pitch is a next best...
Dunne is done in. He won't be coming back. The insurance will be used to pay some of Lerner's alimony.
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Crap defense. No matter how many we score they'll concede just as many.
But the manager in his wisdom didnt think strengthening our worst defence in history was a priority. He's utterly clueless, a fuckin disgrace to the claret and blue.
Oh stop it. Everton also conceded 3, against us of all teams, does that mean they are shit?
A point at Goodison is a good result, the manner isn't nice and it was predictable but it's still a point more than anyone thought we'd get.
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
He can't do it on his own. He needs help and he's not getting any so he becomes exposed. Clark hasn't stepped up and while Baker might be better it's marginal. What's happening is criminal that we haven't addressed it after 2/3 of a season.
I think he's pretty poor to start with. Average, maybe.
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A lot of comments regarding not buying a Centre Half (quite rightly). However, Lambert is quoted as saying he couldn't bring one in because of the wages AND THAT IS DOWN TO OUR PRICK OF AN OWNER.
I find it hard to believe that we couldn't find a defender who would be better than those we already have and would fit in the new wage structure.
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Twat on BBC Focus spouting his analysis of Villa straight out of the newspapers, not a thought of his own in sight, just talking Villa down.
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If the defenders don't step up its going to be nigh on impossible for us to get a win.
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just fuck of mate joke
And you apologise as well.
Next one who thinks it's a good idea to talk to other posters like that will find themselves banned.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
just fuck of mate
Stop with your abuse. Everyone's pissed off and angry yet it's always you that resorts to personal abuse.
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
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I broke my promise to myself and looked - it was 2-1 - I then rightly suffered until 5PM when I see the result.
Flat. Sick. Doomed.
That's all.
See you for the Spammers
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I think most of us would have taken a point its just so annoying the way it happened.
A win against the kit robbers and I would call 4 pts a decent week.
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
mine was a joke quite clearly
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The one positive I'll take is that we're scoring what should be enough to win games now. If by some miracle our idiot defenders can learn defending quickly we could string a few wins.
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I just still can't fathom what is happening every game where we have a lead going into the final few minutes and throwing away 2 goal leads. I'm just lost for words. It's such a small margin separating where we are right now and where we should be. I don't see how we can ever win games if we can't hold onto winning positions.
Im just sick and tired of it all. Just so depressing to.keep watching this happen and seeing us going in an.even worse position every week. When can get a break ffs. No other team is as spineless as we are when it comes to defending.
I honestly can't think of any positives because its the same fucking outcome. At least we remain 4 points clear of the team just one place below us and bottom of the table... right?
urgh. so sad.
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
mine was a joke quite clearly
It's the way you tell them ;-)
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
I think he's pretty poor to start with. Average, maybe.
I'm not looking forward to him and Clark dealing with Andy Carroll.
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Why oh why do we sit back so deep?
They were shitting themselves with our pace, we need to take the game to teams more and not sit back
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How far is Dunne from fitness. Even if he's not the best he's ever been now, he's an experienced central defender and is exactly what we need right now. We didn't sign anyone in that position, a player coming back in that part of the pitch is a next best...
Dunne is done in. He won't be coming back. The insurance will be used to pay some of Lerner's alimony.
This is a point actually...I understand that RL has used a lot of the money coming into the club to settle his ex-missus off. Is that actually legal. Is it lawful to use money generated by a particular outfit that you own in that way?
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
Yes, he always apologies for his abuse. Doesn't seem to stop him though.
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
I think he's pretty poor to start with. Average, maybe.
I'm not looking forward to him and Clark dealing with Andy Carroll.
Andy Carroll will bully the shit out of our defence, every single ball will be hoofed up to him.
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Another defensive shambles you say? And we didn't buy a defender in the whole of January? And Reading won as well?
Well that's just perfect.
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Oh, for those halcyon days when we had Zat Knight and Curtis Davis as centre-halfs >:(
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I know people like to put a positive slant on things, but I can't see how that was a decent point? Despite loads of people expecting a battering and us not getting one, we threw away another 2 goal lead and yet again capitulated when under pressure.
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The Dunne situation is bizarre. Something really dodgy going on.
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
Yes, he always apologies for his abuse. Doesn't seem to stop him though.
you and fletch obvously use the same stirring spoon
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Vlaar is not as good as people think, in my opinion.
I think he's pretty poor to start with. Average, maybe.
I'm not looking forward to him and Clark dealing with Andy Carroll.
Being Fat Sam, I'm sure you're looking forward to it!!!
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I wonder if he's in rehab for a drink problem
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Why oh why do we sit back so deep?
They were shitting themselves with our pace, we need to take the game to teams more and not sit back
This is driving me mad. How many time do we have to make that mistake.
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I know people like to put a positive slant on things, but I can't see how that was a decent point? Despite loads of people expecting a battering and us not getting one, we threw away another 2 goal lead and yet again capitulated when under pressure.
How does the old saying go again, "only a drowning man clutches at straws".
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Heartbreaking to see us fail to win because the obvious weakness weren't addressed in January while Sissoko gets a last gap winner for Newcastle.Feeling very low at the moment but an illogical feeling that we will survive is persisting!
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Where did the 6 minutes come from? I know they scored in the 3rd minute of added time but seeing that board go up must have really given them a lift. Predicted a pasting, got a point away against a decent team, scored 3 good goals, so happy with those positives; on the negative side any other team would have seen out a 2 goal lead, we still give away too many silly fouls, and our defence is still costing us points.
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I did like the socks though, we should wear them from now on at home.
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Andy Carroll returned and scored today. Cole and him will beat up Vlaar and Clark.
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
Yes, he always apologies for his abuse. Doesn't seem to stop him though.
Why not leave the moderating to us? If you have an issue with another poster then inform any of the mods by PM.
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I wonder if he's in rehab for a drink problem
No, no, no...
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I wonder if he's in rehab for a drink problem
No, no, no...
First smile of the day!
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Another defensive shambles you say? And we didn't buy a defender in the whole of January? And Reading won as well?
Well that's just perfect.
Incredibly, it was one of our better defensive performances too. Totally raised our game from 'catastrophic' to merely 'calamitous'.
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how can it be a disgrace when we have picked up a point at a team going for the champions league and scored 3 away from home ?
yes the defending was in question again, but if you read the pre match thread most of you guys were saying Everton were going to rip us apart,
they didnt, they couldnt even win at home, we are dissapointed because we were 3-1 up it doesnt make the performance shit or a disgrace
in fact just saying that after a performance like that is a fucking disgrace
No they were are a disgrace for surrendering again.
It's like seeing a crap play and being too scared to say the actors are shit, so you say "Great costumes and scenery'".
just fuck of mate
Don't be rude.
I'm feeling happier now. Spongebob singing "Ripped my pants", is always funny, and guaranteed to ease my soul. Because stupidity, daftness and surf music are fun.
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Two points lost again to add to the two lost at West Brom.
It'll cost us.
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A point at Everton is a good point.Far too much criticism on here.The 3rd goal was as good as it gets, Vlaar. apart from the equalizer, had a good game.
This Sylla looks interesting, we lacked physical presence today, Westwood and Clark were just outbullied.Should be interesting when Sylla is 100% match fit.
We did'nt deserve to win, and we did'nt lose, we need to man up , a bit, and win the games against WH, Reading, Fulham, Wigan, Sland, QPR, Norwich, Stoke.
At times the front 4 look real top quality.Start Baker for Clark for me, and we might just do it.
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From watching the second half it looked like Bennett was struggling again?
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I am pleased and gutted in equal measure.
We ahould be at least 8 points better of from the games in 2013 and its the centre halves who are costing us. Clark was spun too easy for the first and Vlaar got nowhere near Sideshow ****** for the third. The second took a deflection, jammy swines.
We did defend very well in the main, the high ball wasn't a threat.
Like everybody I am gutted, but there cannot be a Villa fan that doesn't feel heartened by the second 45 and today. We look very dangerous with pace out wide. We have scores four with it in two and a half games.
We need to win five games. If we can play with as much effort, desire and quality in the final third then we have a chance.
I have never seen such a dismal homer referee as we had today. He gave them everything but a penalty.
I also don't want to see anybody criticise our home support on here again. Everton are a very good side and Goodison is one of the toughest places to go, but their fans are beyond shite. No songs, just whinning and they were refereeing the game at times.
Get well soon Dunne.
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If only we had signed Moussa Sissoko 2 goals and 1 assist (against us already!)
Sissoko was never a go go for Villa. You and the irritating Franksy on WM are annoying me with your comments about him. Although the fee they paid was only slightly more than we have paid for Sylla his wages are likely to be 4 x what we are paying Sylla. He will be on 60K likely at Newcastle. He also made it clear that he wanted to go to play for Newcastle. Get over it, it is a good point today one that virtually everybody didn't think we would get. I expected us to be three points behind Reading this evening but we are not we are 2 points behind, still plenty of games to go and points to play for. Don't give up we can still survive - just!
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The trouble is, even a single point from now on feels like a loss. Looking at other teams now feels like a cricket team defending a low run chase. All it takes is the equivalent of a demoraling six (like a Reading win) to make an escape seem less likely.
What i wouldn't give for us to hit a couple of flukey sixes.
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I am pleased and gutted in equal measure.
We ahould be at least 8 points better of from the games in 2013 and its the centre halves who are costing us. Clark was spun too easy for the first and Vlaar got nowhere near Sideshow c*** for the third. The second took a deflection, jammy swines.
We did defend very well in the main, the high ball wasn't a threat.
Like everybody I am gutted, but there cannot be a Villa fan that doesn't feel heartened by the second 45 and today. We look very dangerous with pace out wide. We have scores four with it in two and a half games.
We need to win five games. If we can play with as much effort, desire and quality in the final third then we have a chance.
I have never seen such a dismal homer referee as we had today. He gave them everything but a penalty.
I also don't want to see anybody criticise our home support on here again. Everton are a very good side and Goodison is one of the toughest places to go, but their fans are beyond shite. No songs, just whinning and they were refereeing the game at times.
Get well soon Dunne.
You'll upset VCTM again, they're the best fans in the world
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Famous quote:
"Insanity is repeating the same mistakes and expecting different results"
Sums us up perfectly.
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sorry, small rodent
No problem mate. I should say I find the defending a disgrace. I really like and enjoy our forward play.
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Fantastic goals though!
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Fantastic goals though!
agreed, spot on there SH
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Would definitely have taken a draw before kick-off, but now it feels like two point dropped, and when you look at the other results, it feels like twenty-two.
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Clark, Lowton and Vlaar all at fault for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd goals in that order. That's why we're in this mess. The defence. It's just fuckin bizarre that we didnt try and address it in January.
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It was all so inevitable. Results around us have not been great either.
The only result that hasn't gone for us today is Reading winning all the others around us were as we would have wanted surely?
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Did nobody point out to Lambert in the 31 days of January, that what we desperately needed were defenders who could defend, leaders that could organise players and most importantly of all, a fucking clue what to do when defending set pieces?
What the hell do Lambert and Culverhouse do at the training ground? Distribute bibs and lay out cones?
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It's crazy in many ways, but despite our position we've scored some of the best goals i've seen us score in a long time this season. And quite a few of them.
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Disappointing not to win but a great point that could prove useful come season's end.
I agree with Billy Walker.
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Strangely I feel we can do it as I believe our forwards will dig us out of the mire. The game at Reading will be huge.
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We needed 6 wins and 2 draws to get to 40 points before today. We've got one of the draws.
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I just want Dave Woodhall to give me a big hug and say everything is going to be alright :(
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Swansea albion and today - all 3 thrown away by late goals - dreadful defence , vlaar is average at best - draw not enough- please go lambert!
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Disappointing not to win but a great point that could prove useful come season's end.
I agree with Billy Walker.
My worry is how often can we keep throwing it away before it really has an adverse effect on them?
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If only we had signed Moussa Sissoko 2 goals and 1 assist (against us already!)
Sissoko was never a go go for Villa. You and the irritating Franksy on WM are annoying me with your comments about him. Although the fee they paid was only slightly more than we have paid for Sylla his wages are likely to be 4 x what we are paying Sylla. He will be on 60K likely at Newcastle. He also made it clear that he wanted to go to play for Newcastle. Get over it, it is a good point today one that virtually everybody didn't think we would get. I expected us to be three points behind Reading this evening but we are not we are 2 points behind, still plenty of games to go and points to play for. Don't give up we can still survive - just!
£70k on a 6 and a half year contract.
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It was all so inevitable. Results around us have not been great either.
The only result that hasn't gone for us today is Reading winning all the others around us were as we would have wanted surely?
Best ignore the Newcastle result then.
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We could stretch to £70k a year
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I take it no-one has read the PL comments about trying for several defenders but couldn't afford the wages.
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Newcastle will finish top half
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My 2 year old son just said 'whats wrong daddy?', bless him.
For goodness' sake don't tell him. I usually just say that mummy's been kissing a lady and it makes me sad.
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I take it no-one has read the PL comments about trying for several defenders but couldn't afford the wages.
I take it you believe in father christmas too?
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Clark, Lowton and Vlaar all at fault for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd goals in that order. That's why we're in this mess. The defence. It's just fuckin bizarre that we didnt try and address it in January.
OK I accept that once again the defending was poor and deserves criticism however if it didn't hurt you too much could you possibly give Lambert and the team some credit for scoring 3 at Everton just for balance?
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Clark, Lowton and Vlaar all at fault for the 1st, 2nd, and 3rd goals in that order. That's why we're in this mess. The defence. It's just fuckin bizarre that we didnt try and address it in January.
Unfair on Clark Anicheibe is a strong powerful player, Clark held him up but no one came to take the ball off VA.
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Disappointing not to win but a great point that could prove useful come season's end.
I agree with Billy Walker.
So do I. They did their best.
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The owner and the manager are the ones who decided the with a -26 GD there was no need to sign any defenders so at the end of the season they are the ones who should be held culpable
It's worse than that, they got rid of one (or was it two)?
The fucking bellends.
Still, at least it looks as if there is a small possibility our attack might keep us up.
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Its infuriating, because at times this season we have played some of the best football and scored some of the best goals I have seen in 48 years of following the Villa, unfortunately there has also been a lot of times when we have been totally cr@p, and when there is that much cr@p you forget the good times. The 3rd goal against both Liverpool and Everton being cases in point, marvellous goals, overshadowed by the result or in the Liverpool case, the following results. It shows how good we can be.I have a belief that we can stay up........................will we? I dont know
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I take it no-one has read the PL comments about trying for several defenders but couldn't afford the wages.
I take it you believe in father christmas too?
A rather confusing reply!
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We could stretch to £70k a year
no. we couldn't.
nevermind the fact he wouldn't pick us over Newcastle anyway.
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31% of the ball is why we struggle to win matches
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I take it no-one has read the PL comments about trying for several defenders but couldn't afford the wages.
I take it you believe in father christmas too?
Maybe he thinks the Aston Villa Manager knows more than you about the amount of money he had?
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If Sissokho is on £70k, on a 5 yr contract, it said 4 1/2 yrs on the radio, that is £20m including his signing on fee, he is 22, and how much is relegation work?
False economies if you ask me.
And that is not taking into account his selling on fee.
How much is Benteke worth?, him and Sisokho, or Capoue, would have definately kept us up, the blinkered views of Lerner and Lambert mean the opportunities to build a team around Benteke will probably be lost in the summer.
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Clark needs a better defensive coach than Lambert / Culverhouse if he's going to be a centre half at this level. Gary Cahill he ain't.
The midfield need to stop allowing runners so much space. It must be a joy to play against our lot, just give and go and your marker won't follow you.
And I know Vlaar will cop for their equaliser but what I'd give for a bigger, stronger keeper than Guzan who could barge through and fist that sort of cross away, and take the pressure off.
Overall a good point, but nothing in the performance or organization that suggests we have enough to get out of trouble for me.
And young Cilla? I know he wasn't on long but I'm not so much getting Yaya Toure as smelling Isaiah Osbourne.
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If Sissokho is on £70k, on a 5 yr contract, it said 4 1/2 yrs on the radio, that is £20m including his signing on fee, he is 22, and how much is relegation work?
False economies if you ask me.
And that is not taking into account his selling on fee.
How much is Benteke worth?, him and Sisokho, or Capoue, would have definately kept us up, the blinkered views of Lerner and Lambert mean the opportunities to build a team around Benteke will probably be lost in the summer.
Is that you 'Arry?
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We can't defend like that and stay up. But on the plus side, that appears to be the only thing that's wrong. We didn't lose 3-0.
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Sissoko would not have joined us. No matter what.
He wanted to join Newcastle. No one else. GET OVER IT.
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Well another weekend ruined then...absolutely comical! Vlaar marks Fellaini all game then forgets to in injury time. Clark should never play at CB again! Kept making the same mistakes all game and so f**king lightweight. Baker ahead of him from now on, just for pure physicality. Bennett shouldn't play again full stop! KEA and Westwood offer nothing in midfield. Hard to comment on Sylla really. Didn't seem to do anything wrong. Skinnier then I thought though. N'Zogbia isn't effective out wide and Lambert should move him back to the central free role. Benteke brilliant. No excuses for giving up a two goal lead and I'm still convinced we are going down with Lambert in charge.
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With our players, the referee, and the Everton crowd, this must go down in history as the highest ever concentration of useless twats per square mile.
Totally uninformed undeserved reaction.
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And young Cilla? I know he wasn't on long but I'm not so much getting Yaya Toure as smelling Isaiah Osbourne.
Wow, seriously?
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To score 3 goals away from home and not win just proves how frail we are at the back,Everton are a good side when they play at Goodison and have turned over better teams than us at home this season so to go there and get 3 goals is commendable but to still not get the three points is poor with the predicament we are in.
How many goals do we concede in the last knockings of matches for god sake ! I've lost count of the number of times over the last 3 seasons of the amount of times it's happened,and yet again it's happened today.
The other results haven't been kind to us today as well,so rather than it being a point gained,it feels like a kick in the plums when we had a golden chance to restore a bit of confidence
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With our players, the referee, and the Everton crowd, this must go down in history as the highest ever concentration of useless twats per square mile.
Totally uninformed undeserved reaction.
Yeah? Go fuck yourself.
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We actually defended very well on the whole.
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Well another weekend ruined then...absolutely comical! Vlaar marks Fellaini all game then forgets to in injury time. Clark should never play at CB again! Kept making the same mistakes all game and so f**king lightweight. Baker ahead of him from now on, just for pure physicality. Bennett shouldn't play again full stop! KEA and Westwood offer nothing in midfield. Hard to comment on Sylla really. Didn't seem to do anything wrong. Skinnier then I thought though. N'Zogbia isn't effective out wide and Lambert should move him back to the central free role. Benteke brilliant. No excuses for giving up a two goal lead and I'm still convinced we are going down with Lambert in charge.
Did CNZ play out wide?
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My 2 year old son just said 'whats wrong daddy?', bless him.
For goodness' sake don't tell him. I usually just say that mummy's been kissing a lady and it makes me sad.
I just looked at him and thought 'one day son when you embark on this journey, you'll know exactly what's wrong'
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With our players, the referee, and the Everton crowd, this must go down in history as the highest ever concentration of useless twats per square mile.
Totally uninformed undeserved reaction.
Yeah? Go fuck yourself.
Next one who thinks it's a good idea to talk to other posters like that will find themselves banned.
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Charlie was central in the hole.
I liked the system; pace, width and goals.
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With our players, the referee, and the Everton crowd, this must go down in history as the highest ever concentration of useless twats per square mile.
Totally uninformed undeserved reaction.
Yeah? Go fuck yourself.
Out of order. Get the facts right before posting such rubbish again.
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With our players, the referee, and the Everton crowd, this must go down in history as the highest ever concentration of useless twats per square mile.
Totally uninformed undeserved reaction.
Yeah? Go fuck yourself.
A very sad last post I assume?
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If only we had signed Moussa Sissoko 2 goals and 1 assist (against us already!)
Sissoko was never a go go for Villa. You and the irritating Franksy on WM are annoying me with your comments about him. Although the fee they paid was only slightly more than we have paid for Sylla his wages are likely to be 4 x what we are paying Sylla. He will be on 60K likely at Newcastle. He also made it clear that he wanted to go to play for Newcastle. Get over it, it is a good point today one that virtually everybody didn't think we would get. I expected us to be three points behind Reading this evening but we are not we are 2 points behind, still plenty of games to go and points to play for. Don't give up we can still survive - just!
£70k on a 6 and a half year contract.
Well there you go, the man with the facts confirms it was never on for us.
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We needed 6 wins and 2 draws to get to 40 points before today. We've got one of the draws.
We have 14 games left to play. We have to win at least 7 of them to get us to 42 points.
I have a feeling that this season it is going to take more than 40 points to stay in the Prem.
For those who bemoan the point at Everton watch the last few minutes over again. IIRC Fellaini had a chance to score the winner but fortunately shot straight at Guzan at 90 + 4 minutes.
Me? I am thankful for the single point.. it could have been worse.
We go again! (shrug)
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Beginning of the end I'm afraid. Can't see us emerging from the bottom three ever.
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That ref was a biased twat, was waiting for him to give them a penalty at the first excuse. Free kick count was something like 30 - 5 in their favour, how Osman stayed on the pitch for his ’tackle' on Bennett I don't know, I'm sure the card would have been a different colour the other way around.
Clarke is not physical enough to play against a strong centre forward.
Westwood is a nice tidy player but defensively offers very little.
Forwards will score the goals to keep us in the league - just.
Everton created bugger all, but the free kicks & corners eventually told.
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It was all so inevitable. Results around us have not been great either.
The only result that hasn't gone for us today is Reading winning all the others around us were as we would have wanted surely?
Best ignore the Newcastle result then.
Never considered them to be one of the teams who would be involved at the death. Its three from QPR, Villa, Wigan, Reading and Southampton. Simple and if we can't get in front of three of them we don't deserve to stay up because most of us would probably say overall we have better players than all of them. Just got to get them to perform.
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I think 36 will see a side safe.
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It was all so inevitable. Results around us have not been great either.
The only result that hasn't gone for us today is Reading winning all the others around us were as we would have wanted surely?
Best ignore the Newcastle result then.
Never considered them to be one of the teams who would be involved at the death. Its three from QPR, Villa, Wigan, Reading and Southampton. Simple and if we can't get in front of three of them we don't deserve to stay up because most of us would probably say overall we have better players than all of them. Just got to get them to perform.
This
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'The lads gave everything. I can't praise the team high enough. We just have to see the game out." But Paul we don't, we never see the fucking game out.
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The man is a bumbling joke.
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Groundhog Day.
How many times does it have to happen ?
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I thought that was pretty good all in all. The spirit was good, the attacking excellent when we did it, but the defending was a bit pish. Well, a bit more than pish on occasion.
Gutted to concede the win, but keep that going forward and we'll win a few.
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We actually defended very well on the whole.
But still conceded 3. The equaliser was completely predictable, it pisses me off that we didn't even concede well worked goals, just a lump into the box and and a header on the six yard line. If, by the grace of God, we stay up and RL loosens the purse string, I'd buy a new keeper, fuck knows who but he'd be 6.7 at the least.
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As soon as i saw Holman coming on the inevitable was bound to happen.
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Cannot stay up if you need to score at least 3 to win a game - defence is shocking and vlaar no improvement whatsoever - very poor to throw away an away game in the last minutes for the 3rd game in a row.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
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I thought that was pretty good all in all. The spirit was good, the attacking excellent when we did it, but the defending was a bit pish. Well, a bit more than pish on occasion.
Gutted to concede the win, but keep that going forward and we'll win a few.
People have been spouting that for ages, but we don't ever win, because our defence is a fucking joke. So no, we won't win a few, we'll be lucky if we win another game all season.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Have you noticed that we're deeper and deeper in relegation trouble with every passing game?
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Well another weekend ruined then...absolutely comical! Vlaar marks Fellaini all game then forgets to in injury time. Clark should never play at CB again! Kept making the same mistakes all game and so f**king lightweight. Baker ahead of him from now on, just for pure physicality. Bennett shouldn't play again full stop! KEA and Westwood offer nothing in midfield. Hard to comment on Sylla really. Didn't seem to do anything wrong. Skinnier then I thought though. N'Zogbia isn't effective out wide and Lambert should move him back to the central free role. Benteke brilliant. No excuses for giving up a two goal lead and I'm still convinced we are going down with Lambert in charge.
Did CNZ play out wide?
Yes it was 4-4-2. He drifts inside sometimes but just isn't effective playing wide.
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We don't need seven wins! Five and a couple of draws will do it. Or four wins and five draws. And we'll do it.
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
Yes, he always apologies for his abuse. Doesn't seem to stop him though.
you and fletch obvously use the same stirring spoon
You are wasting your time Saunders.
The old codger is fireproof (see also hoppo, is he on yet?)
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I thought that was pretty good all in all. The spirit was good, the attacking excellent when we did it, but the defending was a bit pish. Well, a bit more than pish on occasion.
Gutted to concede the win, but keep that going forward and we'll win a few.
People have been spouting that for ages, but we don't ever win, because our defence is a fucking joke. So no, we won't win a few, we'll be lucky if we win another game all season.
Are you joking? Want to bet?
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At least we can score goals. Defence dodgy as ever!!
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I feel sorry for Brad Guzan, it can't be doing his confidence much good conceding so many goals lately yet he hasn't really done much wrong.
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I'm quite capable of moderating thanks s_h, and have already asked John to apologise and he has.
Yes, he always apologies for his abuse. Doesn't seem to stop him though.
you and fletch obvously use the same stirring spoon
You are wasting your time Saunders.
The old codger is fireproof (see also hoppo, is he on yet?)
Any chance of you not stirring to try and get a reaction?
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Correct. Very rare I look on the post match thread for that very reason.
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We don't need seven wins! Five and a couple of draws will do it. Or four wins and five draws. And we'll do it.
I agree and now just concentrate on your "saint" tonight eamonn
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Correct. Very rare I look on the post match thread for that very reason.
Hardly an over reaction, we are staring down the barrel. We offer up a performance of that quality every few games and still don't win, on form the next few will be back to the same dismal defeats.
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That ref was a biased twat.
Clarke is not physical enough to play against a strong
Forwards will score the goals to keep us in the league - just.
Correct on all counts, in my view.
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That ref was a biased twat.
Clarke is not physical enough to play against a strong
Forwards will score the goals to keep us in the league - just.
Correct on all counts, in my view.
BUT you have to hope the forwards are on fire EVERY single game, that's a big ask.
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I thought that was pretty good all in all. The spirit was good, the attacking excellent when we did it, but the defending was a bit pish. Well, a bit more than pish on occasion.
Gutted to concede the win, but keep that going forward and we'll win a few.
People have been spouting that for ages, but we don't ever win, because our defence is a fucking joke. So no, we won't win a few, we'll be lucky if we win another game all season
Are you joking? Want to bet?
You are on Vegas I will give you £10 for every game we win from now on. I want nothing in return if we don't.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Correct. Very rare I look on the post match thread for that very reason.
Hardly an over reaction, we are staring down the barrel. We offer up a performance of that quality every few games and still don't win, on form the next few will be back to the same dismal defeats.
That is a reasoned view but there is plenty more on here that is over reaction.
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The post match thread can help you work through some stuff at times. I needed it this week.
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just how did leon osman stay on the pitch for that challenge against bennett?
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The defence will be the reason we go down- 7 scored in the last 3 away games and not one win.
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Here's a scary statistic. Just checked back and we have managed to lose 18 (EIGHTEEN) points from winning positions this season, which would give us 39 pts and 6th place! We were ahead against Saints away and Man U at home and managed to lose. The other six (Newcastle, Norwich, QPR, Swansea, WBA and Toffees) we drew. Do the maths.
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The only thing concrete about concrete Ron is his fucking brain, why didn't he jump with fellani I don't think he even jumped at all. At times we were good mostly defending we were bad, we'll look back on today, swansea, albion as the games that really cost us. West Ham is ANOTHER cup final
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Benteke must be thinking whats the point. He played very well as did Agbonlahor. Clark as we keep saying is not a centre half, reminds me of Liam Ridgewell when he played there. He is however,a midfield player and that is where he should be. Charles who has played very well
the last few games proved today he is not a winger. Weimann had a day when everything went wrong he doesnt have many of those.
Bennett has good skill but not much else. Didnt see Sylla as my river went down so I had to rely on the radio.Vlaar doesnt look secure but has played well this season.
Plenty of time left but its going to be a hard slog. Still, encouraging for most of todays game.
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The defence will be the reason we go down- 7 scored in the last 3 away games and not one win.
And not one loss or you want to ignore that?
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
How was that a good point! We were 1-3 up, if we were 3-1 down then yes 'Good point' you are constantly posting bollocks on here to antagonize people. To be fair though the way that we played in the last 15 minutes was a disgrace. We never learn because we just defended when they put 5 up front and came under enormous pressure we bottled it. We should of pushed up and done the opposite of what we normally do. I like every other Villa fan saw what was coming a mile off!!
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The defence will be the reason we go down- 7 scored in the last 3 away games and not one win.
yeah, if only we had that Matthew Upson to come and sort it all out
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We are so naïve when it comes to taking the sting out of a game when we get our noses in front.
Take the ball in the corner, feigned injuries, general time wasting. Newcastle gave us a lesson in it on Tuesday.
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I'd prefer Upson to Custard Ron.
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As Ozz pointed out earlier, it's up to the likes of Benteke to do his share.
Carew was a beast at our end in defending corners, even Heskey did his bit as well.
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We are so naïve when it comes to taking the sting out of a game when we get our noses in front.
Take the ball in the corner, feigned injuries, general time wasting. Newcastle gave us a lesson in it on Tuesday.
Milner used to be superb at taking the ball to the corner and not letting go of it.
Nobody at the moment in the squad with that sort of nous.
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As Ozz pointed out earlier, it's up to the likes of Benteke to do his share.
Carew was a beast at our end in defending corners, even Heskey did his bit as well.
He had the easiest job, marking the first zone.
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The defence will be the reason we go down- 7 scored in the last 3 away games and not one win.
And not one loss or you want to ignore that?
A point a game will not keep us up- we need wins and 3 points from the last 24 is nowhere near good enough.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
How was that a good point! We were 1-3 up, if we were 3-1 down then yes 'Good point' you are constantly posting bollocks on here to antagonize people. To be fair though the way that we played in the last 15 minutes was a disgrace. We never learn because we just defended when they put 5 up front and came under enormous pressure we bottled it. We should of pushed up and done the opposite of what we normally do. I like every other Villa fan saw what was coming a mile off!!
Having a different view to you is not antagonising people.
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I'd prefer Upson to Custard Ron.
We could have done worse than bringing him in to play alongside Vlaar.
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There comes a point, and we have passed it, where it becomes self fulfilling. Teams rarely give up a game in this league but most chase a deficit with hope rather than conviction. Not against us, there is always a goal or two to be had. Simply by applying pressure. They don't even have to find something special from anywhere in particular.
I get the feeling that even if we had brought defenders in it would make little difference. Lambert just does not seem to be able to set a team up to defend. Most teams when they are in the lead seem to be able to ensure that the last minutes of a game tick by with the ball out of play more often than alive. Not us.
The one defeat was an absolute shocker, but our last 6 league away games have gone DWLDDD, it should have been a lot better, but even so that is not the form of a relegation team. At the end of it all, it's our home form that has pegged us back, not days like today.
Our greatest hope is the quality we have up front.
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The defence will be the reason we go down- 7 scored in the last 3 away games and not one win.
And not one loss or you want to ignore that?
Losing our home games though aren't we?
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It's all so unbalanced.
I honestly believe our forward line is one of the best in the division Benteke, Bent, Weimann, Gabby and N'Zogbia.
But the midfield is sub-standard at best and the defence is farcical.
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I think we're going down. I really do. My reasoning being thusly: we're producing just enough promising play to keep the chairman, manager, players, etc - hopeful. Rather than being so unutterably, indisputably shite that we can be compared to Ipswich in the 90s, the powers that be are bumbling along in a kind of trance because of Benteke and the vaguely promising youngsters.
I liken it to a frog that's been dumped in a pan of cold water, and the heat is gradually being turned up. We're gonna get fucking boiled, and we won't even put up a fight.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Have you noticed that we're deeper and deeper in relegation trouble with every passing game?
Are you stupid mate? Over reactions. This weekend sees the opening of the chasym between the bottom 3 and the rest. Open your eyes - do you see us getting out of this?!?
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It's all so unbalanced.
I honestly believe our forward line is one of the best in the division Benteke, Bent, Weimann, Gabby and N'Zogbia.
But the midfield is sub-standard at best and the defence is farcical.
Same for me.
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I am happy with a point from Everton. Good job lads.
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I am happy with a point from Everton. Good job lads.
Before kick-off I'd have bitten my own arm off for that. But at 1-3 up, I'd have expected better.
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A point at Everton is ALWAYS good, but you have to look at it in the context of being two goals to the good and then pissing it away, like at Albion.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Have you noticed that we're deeper and deeper in relegation trouble with every passing game?
Are you stupid mate? Over reactions. This weekend sees the opening of the chasym between the bottom 3 and the rest. Open your eyes - do you see us getting out of this?!?
Three points out of 24 is no over reaction- other are picking up results we cant buy a win.
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Can we have less of the insults please. This includes calling people stupid just because they have a different opinion.
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Well another weekend ruined then...absolutely comical! Vlaar marks Fellaini all game then forgets to in injury time. Clark should never play at CB again! Kept making the same mistakes all game and so f**king lightweight. Baker ahead of him from now on, just for pure physicality. Bennett shouldn't play again full stop! KEA and Westwood offer nothing in midfield. Hard to comment on Sylla really. Didn't seem to do anything wrong. Skinnier then I thought though. N'Zogbia isn't effective out wide and Lambert should move him back to the central free role. Benteke brilliant. No excuses for giving up a two goal lead and I'm still convinced we are going down with Lambert in charge.
Did CNZ play out wide?
Yes it was 4-4-2. He drifts inside sometimes but just isn't effective playing wide.
We didnt play 442. It was somewhere between a 4-4-1-1 and 4-2-3-1 with CNZ in behind Benteke.
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Can we have less of the insults please. This includes calling people stupid just because they have a different opinion.
I'm very stupid :)
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I am happy with a point from Everton. Good job lads.
Before kick-off I'd have bitten my own arm off for that. But at 1-3 up, I'd have expected better.
I am happy with a point from Everton. Good job lads.
It's not good fucking job in the slightest - we were 3-1 up. Single fucking points will not keep us up. If we cannot hold what we have we are down
Before kick-off I'd have bitten my own arm off for that. But at 1-3 up, I'd have expected better.
Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Have you noticed that we're deeper and deeper in relegation trouble with every passing game?
Are you stupid mate? Over reactions. This weekend sees the opening of the chasym between the bottom 3 and the rest. Open your eyes - do you see us getting out of this?!?
Three points out of 24 is no over reaction- other are picking up results we cant buy a win.
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*evilgrin* at MonsXI
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Sort it out matt.
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*evilgrin* at MonsXI
nice edit of my post :)
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Nice quote fail Matt!
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Can we have less of the insults please. This includes calling people stupid just because they have a different opinion.
I'm very stupid :)
Can we not fight amongst ourselves please, because that is exactly what the terrorists want
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Can we have less of the insults please. This includes calling people stupid just because they have a different opinion.
I'm very stupid :)
Can we not fight amongst ourselves please, because that is exactly what the terrorists want
It's a Randy Lerner/CIA conspiracy.
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It's all so unbalanced.
I honestly believe our forward line is one of the best in the division Benteke, Bent, Weimann, Gabby and N'Zogbia.
But the midfield is sub-standard at best and the defence is farcical.
...and so what do we do? Bring in another striker...ok we also brought a defensive midfielder too...however...
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It's all so unbalanced.
I honestly believe our forward line is one of the best in the division Benteke, Bent, Weimann, Gabby and N'Zogbia.
But the midfield is sub-standard at best and the defence is farcical.
...and so what do we do? Bring in another striker...ok we also brought a defensive midfielder too...however...
Dawkins is more of an attacking MF than a striker I think.
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One of those points where away from home against a team chasing top 4 a 0-0 would be good result, but drawing from 3-1 is a kick in the nads.
I like the formation but feel we need extra support so would rotate the front 4 of Benteke / Weimann / Zog and Gabb.Sylla ,Westwood and Delph would be the midfield though Herd could be an option for height.
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BTW, those of whose memories of Villa stretch back as far as the late 70s at least will know that our going 2 goals up and then being pegged back for a draw is nothing new. It's almost a Villa tradition. Seriously though, it's been one thing about Villa all the time I've watched them these last 35 years, something that seems to stay with the club even as personnel come and go. We can't close games down from winning positions...
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sorry, small rodent
In isolation, this comment is quite funny, it looks as if you are still insulting him whilst shaking his hand.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
Have you noticed that we're deeper and deeper in relegation trouble with every passing game?
Are you stupid mate? Over reactions. This weekend sees the opening of the chasym between the bottom 3 and the rest. Open your eyes - do you see us getting out of this?!?
Three points out of 24 is no over reaction- other are picking up results we cant buy a win.
From that run we should comfortably have picked up a third, maybe even half, of the points, even before you factor in the winning positions we were in in the dying stages of three away games. Getting a third of them would have seen us probably needing only about a point a game to survive. Half the points would have seen us lower mid table and needing about 10 points more. It's been a rotten spell and not without it's share of bad luck, but 90% of it is down to bad defending especially at set pieces. And that doesn't look like changing any time soon.
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Well of course a win would have been better. I already assume we are going down though so my level of being gutted at dropped points has evaporated. I was just noting that a point against a very good Everton team away is a good result. I wasnt trying to piss anyone off.
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People point to the defence as the reason we're in this mess but the midfield is just as bad. 36% possession today according to the beeb. You can't give the opposition that much of the ball and put the defence under that much pressure and expect not to concede goals, unless you're up against an extremely insipid outfit - which Everton clearly aren't. It all boils down to the fact that the quality of the players outside of those in the final 3rd when taken as a whole are of bottom 5 standard.
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
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Some of you need to start supporting 'your' club.. All week you slate AVFC more than any Bluenose ever has. Posting tedious shit between each other. You wouldnt support Fergie with 100 mill.. Reading this site you would think were dead and buried. Start getting behind your team when they need you.
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Some of you need to start supporting 'your' club.. All week you slate AVFC more than any Bluenose ever has. Posting tedious shit between each other. You wouldnt support Fergie with 100 mill.. Reading this site you would think were dead and buried. Start getting behind your team when they need you.
Shouting 'C'mon Villa' from the stands is really going to help us isn't it.
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Some of you need to start supporting 'your' club.. All week you slate AVFC more than any Bluenose ever has. Posting tedious shit between each other. You wouldnt support Fergie with 100 mill.. Reading this site you would think were dead and buried. Start getting behind your team when they need you.
Ah, there he is.....
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Some of you need to start supporting 'your' club.. All week you slate AVFC more than any Bluenose ever has. Posting tedious shit between each other. You wouldnt support Fergie with 100 mill.. Reading this site you would think were dead and buried. Start getting behind your team when they need you.
You should probably read the rules, the bit about "better fan than you"
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Some of you need to start supporting 'your' club.. All week you slate AVFC more than any Bluenose ever has. Posting tedious shit between each other. You wouldnt support Fergie with 100 mill.. Reading this site you would think were dead and buried. Start getting behind your team when they need you.
You should probably read the rules, the bit about "better fan than you"
Or at least ask a grown up to read them out for him.
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I thought that was pretty good all in all. The spirit was good, the attacking excellent when we did it, but the defending was a bit pish. Well, a bit more than pish on occasion.
Gutted to concede the win, but keep that going forward and we'll win a few.
People have been spouting that for ages, but we don't ever win, because our defence is a fucking joke. So no, we won't win a few, we'll be lucky if we win another game all season.
I don't think so, but there you go.
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It (the site) has been a bit tedious lately though, he's right about that.
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Good point.. Same old over reactions.
How was that a good point! We were 1-3 up, if we were 3-1 down then yes 'Good point' you are constantly posting bollocks on here to antagonize people. To be fair though the way that we played in the last 15 minutes was a disgrace. We never learn because we just defended when they put 5 up front and came under enormous pressure we bottled it. We should of pushed up and done the opposite of what we normally do. I like every other Villa fan saw what was coming a mile off!!
because nearly everyone had us down to lose!!
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Some of you need to start supporting 'your' club.. All week you slate AVFC more than any Bluenose ever has. Posting tedious shit between each other. You wouldnt support Fergie with 100 mill.. Reading this site you would think were dead and buried. Start getting behind your team when they need you.
People are entitled to their opinions , we care about the club otherwise we wouldnt be here - to you it may be tedious shit but to many its a place to vent our feelings whether good or bad - this is a wonderful forum .
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I didn't watch the match, or pay much attention to it going on.
I checked on my phone shortly after the start, and we were 1 up. I checked again later and it was 2-1. I was then convinced we'd win if i ceased all attention to the game, so switched my phone off.
After the end, I was surprised to see 3-3.
Then I checked the times of the goals and saw when their third came, and wasn't remotely surprised.
It is weird. I would have snapped your hand off if you'd offered me a point before this match, and Everton are a very good side, so it's a decent return from a match there.
What worries me is it isn't the likes of Everton away that we have to win to stay up, it is the likes of West Ham at home, and while the defence is so brittle, I just don't think I'd ever back us to win a match again (and I know that sounds daft after coming within minutes of doing so today, but hey ho).
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
I've been trying to think of something, but I can't.
It's like when I'm paintballing and I've got a clear shot at an unsuspecting enemy's back, yet every single time I miss.
I think it's because subconsciously I'm a nice person.
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
I've been trying to think of something, but I can't.
It's like when I'm paintballing and I've got a clear shot at an unsuspecting enemy's back, yet every single time I miss.
I think it's because subconsciously I'm a nice person.
Subconsciously, maybe. If only you weren't a Tory when you're awake.
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I didn't watch the match, or pay much attention to it going on.
I checked on my phone shortly after the start, and we were 1 up. I checked again later and it was 2-1. I was then convinced we'd win if i ceased all attention to the game, so switched my phone off.
After the end, I was surprised to see 3-3.
Then I checked the times of the goals and saw when their third came, and wasn't remotely surprised.
It is weird. I would have snapped your hand off if you'd offered me a point before this match, and Everton are a very good side, so it's a decent return from a match there.
What worries me is it isn't the likes of Everton away that we have to win to stay up, it is the likes of West Ham at home, and while the defence is so brittle, I just don't think I'd ever back us to win a match again (and I know that sounds daft after coming within minutes of doing so today, but hey ho).
Andy Carroll back in form and coached by Big Sam?
He's going to pound Clark and Vlaar into tiny, footballer-shaped pieces next weekend. Benteke's going to have set a new goalscoring record for us to have any hope.
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
I've been trying to think of something, but I can't.
It's like when I'm paintballing and I've got a clear shot at an unsuspecting enemy's back, yet every single time I miss.
I think it's because subconsciously I'm a nice person.
Subconsciously, maybe. If only you weren't a Tory when you're awake.
*blushes* You've got me there. If the unsuspecting enemy doesn't have an income of at least 100 grand a year, I nail that fucker every time.
;-)
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
I've been trying to think of something, but I can't.
It's like when I'm paintballing and I've got a clear shot at an unsuspecting enemy's back, yet every single time I miss.
I think it's because subconsciously I'm a nice person.
Interesting. Clear back shots are the only time in paintball I do hit the target. My post execution taunts of "Glory to the revolution! Such is the fate of all enemies of the people." doesnt get as many laughs as you might imagine though.
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The problem we have is that, we can say "we need to win five or six matches to stay up", but if you then look back at our results, and count back, say, six league wins, you find yourself at the Wolves away match in January 2012.
So, we're needing to win, in the space of not many games, as many games as we've won in the last 13 months.
It's good getting a point today, it's good we can score goals, but draws aren't going to be enough, we've got to win games which, on paper, we should be winning.
I suspect those home defeats against Wigan and Southampton are going to look awfully expensive come the end of the season.
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
Oh hark at you. You can't just be an everyday, run of the mill tosser can you? No, Mr Damon Green is "the most massive tosser".
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
Ta for the offer Damon, but it would be like shooting fish in the proverbial barrel.
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The mass debater?
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I suspect those home defeats against Wigan and Southampton are going to look awfully expensive come the end of the season.
I think we'll look back even more at the dropped points. 2 up against Manure 0 points, 2 up at Albion 1 point, 3-1 up today 1 point, 2-1 up at Swansea as we got to the 90th minute, 1 point. Winning just 2 of those would have us in a completely different mindset.
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It (the site) has been a bit tedious lately though, he's right about that.
Losing does that to it though Perce.
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We need to stick together and stop insulting one another in these troubled times. You bunch of fair weather fickle part time ignorant whinging whining impersonations of football supporters. ;)
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Would I be right in thinking that if games ended on 90 minutes with no injury time, we'd be out of the relegation zone?
Lambert really needs to brush up on those time-wasting lessons.
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We need to stick together and stop insulting one another in these troubled times. Your bunch of fair weather fickle part time ignorant whinging whining impersonations of football supporters. ;)
Did you mean you or you're ya knobber? :P
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The defence will be the reason we go down- 7 scored in the last 3 away games and not one win.
And not one loss or you want to ignore that?
Aftab, fair point, there have been some positives in our attack in the last three away games in the league ( I am trying to forget Bradford and Millwall away). Like you, I am trying to get some positivity from our horrendous run - we have been shit for 6 weeks now and yet are not completely adrift.
The trouble is our home form is so shit that drawing away games just sees us drop further adrift of the teams around us. We need to capitalise when we are ahead going into injury time, or when we get a two goal lead.
Please don't take the following as a dig at you and your comment above as we need to believe right now. But a really big issue for me this season has been how we have justified poor results. For example, at W Ham on the opening day I heard "at least we kept possession better than last season", and " playing a promoted team early on is never easy", the latter amazingly being trotted out for the Southampton debacle. The collapses against Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Spurs were because we were playing Champs League teams. Losing 2 goal leads against Albion, Swansea and Everton were "results we would have accepted before kick off". The latter would normally be true, if - a big IF - we were winning games against Saints, Wigan, Norwich and Newcastle at home. Failure to win these games means we have to protect winning positions in difficult games.
One of my biggest worries this season is our lack of character. QPR, who have been poor, have sorted their defence out since Harry arrived. Luckily they haven't started scoring yet. Southampton have worked out how to score and gather points in difficult games. Reading have decided that being 2 goals down against anybody is the time to show a big pair of grizzly bear cojones. Wigan just think this is a normal season and are probably nonchalant about life.
I am trying hard to believe, to hope that our attack shall keep us up, but usually the team with the worst defence in the league goes down. I hope we can break that particular habit.
One final point: if we can maintain the attacking flair from our recent away games and somehow find a way to replicate it at Villa Park we will definitely be in with a chance of staying up. All we need is a few 5 goal leads to defend in the mast 10 minutes....!
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
For the last 20 minutes all they seemed to do was launch long high balls into our box and we started to drop deeper. That's not down to coaching or tactics but confidence and I don't think you can coach that.
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
For the last 20 minutes all they seemed to do was launch long high balls into our box and we started to drop deeper. That's not down to coaching or tactics but confidence and I don't think you can coach that.
Good old Chris.
Often imitated, never bettered.
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I made the mistake of looking at all the scores at about 4.25 and saying if it stays like we'll have gained two points on all of the bottom half of the league. Me and my mouth!
Still I'd have taken a draw before kick-off, and the results at Wigan and QPR were what we needed.
These late goals are getting painful though, that's the last seven away games we've conceded late goals in.
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
For the last 20 minutes all they seemed to do was launch long high balls into our box and we started to drop deeper. That's not down to coaching or tactics but confidence and I don't think you can coach that.
Good old Chris.
Often imitated, never bettered.
Thing is, I suspect he's probably right. I didn't see our game today, but I do think confidence has a huge, huge role in our concession of late goals, and equalisers when we shouldn't be conceding.
Another reason we needed to buy a leader, I reckon.
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Another reason we needed to buy a leader, I reckon.
Too late Paulie.
Much too late.
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
For the last 20 minutes all they seemed to do was launch long high balls into our box and we started to drop deeper. That's not down to coaching or tactics but confidence and I don't think you can coach that.
That is true, to be fair. In fact, even on the telly, you could see Lambert screaming at them to push up. Much as you would see McLeish doing last year.
It seems to be a truism that if leading in the last 10 minutes, the Villa defence retreats like a Frenchman faced with a bottle of shower gel. I blame O'Neill.
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I think it's why our home form is so poor, confidence is already very, very weak and the added pressure of expectation and the moans from the crowd when something goes wrong just increases it. When we're 2 ahead, they start to worry they may concede rather than thinking that they've done well to get to that position. I've no idea if the club have a sports psychologist, if there is one, they need to do some overtime, if there isn't, then it's a big oversight.
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Somebody on here used to say 'if in doubt, blame the fans'
Can't remember who said it though.
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Paul Lambert spoke of his mixed emotions shortly after the final whistle blew on an exhilarating 3-3 draw between Villa and Everton.
Lambert was obviously gutted his side couldn't hold on to the lead at the death, with the Toffees managing a stoppage-time leveller.
But the boss was delighted with the performance-levels of his team as they produced high-octane stuff throughout a non-stop 90 minutes.
He said: "My emotions are mixed.
"I thought we played really well throughout the game. Coming here, nobody gave us a chance.
"Everton are a right good side. David has them playing well and they have some fine players.
"We came here and I thought we played really, really well.
"I always think it's good to get a foothold in the game. It's important not to concede early too. We got the goal through Christian. Gabby's goal was top-class.
"We had a chance to make it 3-1 just after the start of the second half with Andi. That never materialised.
"Then the third we did score was world-class. It was a great move and great cross. It was a fantastic header, getting in front of the defender. I thought we looked a threat when we got into positions to score. The front lads were excellent.
"You then knew Everton were going to come at you strongly. But you just have to try and see the game through, which we never managed to do.
"The free-kicks and corners came into the box and the delivery of Everton is very good. Sometimes you have to deal with them.
"The one at the end we never managed to deal with it. Ron got caught a little bit.
"The amount of times Fellaini has done that throughout his time here has been incredible.
"But the general performance was very good. The lads gave it everything. They were blocking and things like that.
"You know what's coming at you at that time. But I can't praise the team highly enough for what they did.
"The form certainly looks good at the minute. And we have one or two new lads to come in. I thought we were very good.
"It was a massive help to see the way the fans reacted after the Newcastle game. That was a major thing because the players know that the fans are with them.
"If they keep turning in performances like that, we will win more games than not."
Lambert paid particular tribute to two-goal star Benteke, who bossed the Toffees backline throughout the afternoon.
He added: "He's only 22, just turned 22. For someone who has just come into British football he's been exceptional.
"I probably got criticised for signing him because he wasn't a name, no-one had heard of him, people thought 'what's Aston Villa doing signing him.' I'm pretty sure he's put that to bed."
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
For the last 20 minutes all they seemed to do was launch long high balls into our box and we started to drop deeper. That's not down to coaching or tactics but confidence and I don't think you can coach that.
Good old Chris.
Often imitated, never bettered.
Thing is, I suspect he's probably right. I didn't see our game today, but I do think confidence has a huge, huge role in our concession of late goals, and equalisers when we shouldn't be conceding.
Another reason we needed to buy a leader, I reckon.
Agreed. More than any specific player in any specific position, we desperately need a captain. And apologies for the quotathon, but it needs to be said
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and the added pressure of expectation and the moans from the crowd when something goes wrong just increases it.
But didn't Lambert say how great the home support is?
Standing ovation for losing and all that?
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To be honest, for all the dropped points, looking at each game objectively I don't think we deserved more than we got in any of them.
Norwich at home in the second half was one of the worst performances I've ever seen from us (worse than Bradford/Wigan), notwithstanding being a man down.
Swansea murdered us at their place and deserved at least a point.
We had West Brom on the ropes for 45 minutes but sat far too deep in the second half and paid the price.
Similarly today, we sat back on our cushion, had a few narrow escapes but then the pressure told.
We've not really been robbed at all.
The Newcastle and Southampton defeats warranted a draw I would say. But wins to draws is the big differential and I can't really argue that those performances merited more.
Hopefully today's result away to a team who have lost 3 all season can help with our lot's fragile confidence.
We have to take that into next week and send Allardyce packing back to Dudley for dinner with his parents where he'll bore them with how much they were robbed and how the Villa should have appointed him manager when they had the chance.
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Just back, from M&S.
Did we hold out for the win ?
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Just back, from M&S.
Really?
We were indulging in an afternoon session of S&M.
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On the bright side, after countless weekends wrecked by defeats in recent seasons, let's take heart from a point.
So, in other words, not totally fucked.
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Everton defender Jonny Heitinga after the 3-3 draw with Aston Villa on Twitter: "Played worst game ever in the shirt of Everton. Let team-mates and fans down but they never let me down. Will work hard to come back strong."
Hmm. Did any of our players on Twitta' apologise for the last 6 weeks of purgatory? Not that it would make much difference, but it would be something. I guess Vlaar was pretty apologetic when acknowledging the fans after the Bradford and Millwall games. Made up for it today though...
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
For the last 20 minutes all they seemed to do was launch long high balls into our box and we started to drop deeper. That's not down to coaching or tactics but confidence and I don't think you can coach that.
Good old Chris.
Often imitated, never bettered.
He's right though.
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Everton defender Jonny Heitinga after the 3-3 draw with Aston Villa on Twitter: "Played worst game ever in the shirt of Everton. Let team-mates and fans down but they never let me down. Will work hard to come back strong."
Hmm. Did any of our players on Twitta' apologise for the last 6 weeks of purgatory? Not that it would make much difference, but it would be something. I guess Vlaar was pretty apologetic when acknowledging the fans after the Bradford and Millwall games. Made up for it today though...
Yes joe bennett did.
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Everton defender Jonny Heitinga after the 3-3 draw with Aston Villa on Twitter: "Played worst game ever in the shirt of Everton. Let team-mates and fans down but they never let me down. Will work hard to come back strong."
Hmm. Did any of our players on Twitta' apologise for the last 6 weeks of purgatory? Not that it would make much difference, but it would be something. I guess Vlaar was pretty apologetic when acknowledging the fans after the Bradford and Millwall games. Made up for it today though...
I hope not, because twitter is wank.
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Woke up in the early hours and watched the last twenty minutes. It was inevitable they would get the leveller not one Villa player could hold onto the ball and they battered us. One very tall central defender needed before the West Ham game.
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It's a sobering thought that, even if we had held out for the win today, we'd still be in a relegation spot. Just goes to show, we can't rely on the teams around us being shite in order to stay up this year.
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I'm pleased with the point overall but obviously disappointed (and could predict) when the third goal of theirs went in. I think the lads did well to be 3-1 up but it must be how we are set up tactically that we can't defend a lead. That i'm afraid is down to the coaches so they really need to pull their finger out this week.
For the last 20 minutes all they seemed to do was launch long high balls into our box and we started to drop deeper. That's not down to coaching or tactics but confidence and I don't think you can coach that.
Good old Chris.
Often imitated, never bettered.
He's right though.
I agree, he is.
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Woke up in the early hours and watched the last twenty minutes. It was inevitable they would get the leveller not one Villa player could hold onto the ball and they battered us. One very tall central defender needed before the West Ham game.
The transfer window is slammed shut mate.
We are fucked. Very disappointed with Vlaar and Clark again today.
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There comes a point, and we have passed it, where it becomes self fulfilling. Teams rarely give up a game in this league but most chase a deficit with hope rather than conviction. Not against us, there is always a goal or two to be had. Simply by applying pressure. They don't even have to find something special from anywhere in particular.
Agree Steve. You can see what teams try to do against us - get the ball wide early and then either cross the ball into the box or attack our full-backs and get corners or free kicks. If a team can do that enough times in a game, they will score eventually. Not only do we struggle to win headers in our own box, we struggle to clear the box with the ones we do win.
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Fuck it, today we competed for 90 minutes at one of the hardest places to play and the best player on the pitch had to pull them out of it, and we got a point.
There's hope.
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Fellainis 2nd goal is shocking. It's a free header from 6 yards out effectively.
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The annoying thing is I was convinced Fellaini was going off injured in the second half, you can see now why Moyes was so reluctant to take him off.
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Fellaini will be off in the summer. I can see all the top sides wanting him. And Benteke.
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Fuck it, today we competed for 90 minutes at one of the hardest places to play and the best player on the pitch had to pull them out of it, and we got a point.
There's hope.
Yes, there is hope. I am fed up with hope, though. The last three seasons have taught me that hope is just an appetiser for dejection.
But, we pick up. We go again. That is all.
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I'm taking solace in trying to remember who I know and could visit for the first time in years living near Blackburn, Huddersfield, Charlton, Brighton etc after a match.
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
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Fuck it, today we competed for 90 minutes at one of the hardest places to play and the best player on the pitch had to pull them out of it, and we got a point.
There's hope.
Customary sense, Mr B.
It's not the best we could have got, but it's a damned sight better than going there and losing by four or five goals, which is what most of us expected.
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Fuck it, today we competed for 90 minutes at one of the hardest places to play and the best player on the pitch had to pull them out of it, and we got a point.
There's hope.
Customary sense, Mr B.
It's not the best we could have got, but it's a damned sight better than going there and losing by four or five goals, which is what most of us expected.
And yet, Reading's win means we're deeper in trouble than before. Today was a good point on the face of it, but it's not enough in isolation, especially when it follows a defeat at home to Newcastle.
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
(http://i1271.photobucket.com/albums/jj631/Deano_Dalian/Wolfy_zps62ecefa3.jpg)
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Thought we played pretty well. Best for a long time. The collapse I thought was inevitable given the defence but Lambert did at least attempt to shore it up. I'm sure others have already said that you can't keep having to score 2 or 3 to get a draw, as its such an obvious point to anyone but the manager. Anyway, a point is a point more than i was expecting so that's something. Just a shame we couldn't have held out as apart from the much needed points, it would have given the team a hell of a lift. Ah well......
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Fuck it, today we competed for 90 minutes at one of the hardest places to play and the best player on the pitch had to pull them out of it, and we got a point.
There's hope.
And yet, Reading's win means we're deeper in trouble than before. Today was a good point on the face of it, but it's not enough in isolation, especially when it follows a defeat at home to Newcastle.
Customary sense, Mr B.
It's not the best we could have got, but it's a damned sight better than going there and losing by four or five goals, which is what most of us expected.
Yes,, I think everyone knows we have to win games, but I'd be a lot more worried if there were no positives at all to take from the game.
We can't do anything to influence the games of the teams around us, but if you stuck all the remaining games on a spreadsheet and stuck the result from each you'd be happy with, I reckon there's not a single person on here who wouldn't have gone for a point from Everton.
Don't get me wrong, I know, we have to start to win games, and more than we've won in about a year before the end of this season, but I don't really think it achieves much to just keep putting the boot in today, after a decent point, that's all.
We've had far worse results this season, this is one of the least low low points.
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We seem to be missing Kent Neilsen...an awful lot.
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
Pic
Why the obsession with this bloke ?
I saw him today as well....... and so what? He's just a bloke at a football match
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Woke up in the early hours and watched the last twenty minutes. It was inevitable they would get the leveller not one Villa player could hold onto the ball and they battered us. One very tall central defender needed before the West Ham game.
The transfer window is slammed shut mate.
We are fucked. Very disappointed with Vlaar and Clark again today.
I'm beginning to think that Sponge Ron Squarepants just isn't that good and can see why I'd never heard him linked to a "big" club before we signed him.
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Domestic life meant we only followed the game periodically this afternoon. The nearest we got to following the game fully was at the end on Final Score on BBC2 [which is nowhere near as deliberately sensationalised drama than Soccer Saturday on Sky, imo]. One of the commentators singled out an Everton player who he said virtually gifted us our goals. Is that a fair summary?
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At least we're second on MOTD. We're going up in the world. Shame we're not going up the league at the same time.
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Domestic life meant we only followed the game periodically this afternoon. The nearest we got to following the game fully was at the end on Final Score on BBC2 [which is nowhere near as deliberately sensationalised drama than Soccer Saturday on Sky, imo]. One of the commentators singled out an Everton player who he said virtually gifted us our goals. Is that a fair summary?
Not really. Our goals were excellent, some very goOd team play. However, Benteke pretty much owned Heitinga in much the same way that Anichebe owned Clark.
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For those who can't wait. And you'll love the music!
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
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Why the obsession with this bloke ?
I saw him today as well....... and so what? He's just a bloke at a football match
Agree, he's just another villa fan like the rest of us. Top bloke IMHO.
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It's funny you say that pws. I've just checked the premier league table on the Grauniad website and it shows us 17 with 23 pts! I thought that can't be right as I'm sure we only had 20 pts previously. So I checked the table on the fa premier league site and it showed the same.
Did they feel sorry for us and give us an extra couple of points?
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
Pic
Why the obsession with this bloke ?
I saw him today as well....... and so what? He's just a bloke at a football match
He's part of our matchday culture.
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It's funny you say that pws. I've just checked the premier league table on the Grauniad website and it shows us 17 with 23 pts! I thought that can't be right as I'm sure we only had 20 pts previously. So I checked the table on the fa premier league site and it showed the same.
Did they feel sorry for us and give us an extra couple of points?
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Beeb has us 19th with 20 points. I reckon they are all making it up as they go and we're really 10 points clear at the top but the media are skanking us.
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For those who can't wait. And you'll love the music!
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Thank you.
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Did Heitinger have a bet on Benteke first goal ? It's the worst defending I've seen!
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So we went to Everton today expecting fuck all. We go 3-1 up, end up drawing 3-3. So what is all the fucking moaning about?
Bloody hell. You would have snapped the draw out of anybody's hand before the game started.
Get real. Today was a massive improvement on previous games. We were playing a club in the top four and we came away with a point. Jesus fucking H.
Stop moaning for the sake of it and give the team a pat on the back for their performance. We expected fuck all and we got a point, end of. UTV
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It's funny you say that pws. I've just checked the premier league table on the Grauniad website and it shows us 17 with 23 pts! I thought that can't be right as I'm sure we only had 20 pts previously. So I checked the table on the fa premier league site and it showed the same.
Did they feel sorry for us and give us an extra couple of points?
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Beeb has us 19th with 20 points. I reckon they are all making it up as they go and we're really 10 points clear at the top but the media are skanking us.
Beeb arrows say that we went down a place today. I thought the we we're 19th already
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We go 3-1 up, end up drawing 3-3. So what is all the fucking moaning about?
Kind of answering your own question there.
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Calm down a bit Dan.
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It's funny you say that pws. I've just checked the premier league table on the Grauniad website and it shows us 17 with 23 pts! I thought that can't be right as I'm sure we only had 20 pts previously. So I checked the table on the fa premier league site and it showed the same.
Did they feel sorry for us and give us an extra couple of points?
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Beeb has us 19th with 20 points. I reckon they are all making it up as they go and we're really 10 points clear at the top but the media are skanking us.
Beeb arrows say that we went down a place today. I thought the we we're 19th already
You can't expect them to get everything right.
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Hard to put my feelings into words after today's game but feel that 'piss flaps' seems to capture my feelings when I saw that Everton had equalised in stoppage time
Could be a great point come the end of the season but we really do need to start winning games
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Games are running out. We need 5 wins.
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We go 3-1 up, end up drawing 3-3. So what is all the fucking moaning about?
Kind of answering your own question there.
I think the disappointment is all around throwing away a lead again.
3-1 up, 20 mins to go, you have to see that out.
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It's funny you say that pws. I've just checked the premier league table on the Grauniad website and it shows us 17 with 23 pts! I thought that can't be right as I'm sure we only had 20 pts previously. So I checked the table on the fa premier league site and it showed the same.
Did they feel sorry for us and give us an extra couple of points?
Apologies if this has already been mentioned.
Beeb has us 19th with 20 points. I reckon they are all making it up as they go and we're really 10 points clear at the top but the media are skanking us.
Beeb arrows say that we went down a place today. I thought the we we're 19th already
You can't expect them to get everything right.
Their table also has the Red Mancs 7 points ahead, whilst the match report has them 10 points ahead
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Have to say, the defending for the 2nd goal was a lot worse than the last one.
That sums up for me why we are in trouble, nobody taking the responsibility of defending.
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Calm down a bit Dan.
Calm mod. Just a bit pissed at people moaning about the fact that we only got a point, we didn't expect anything today, so it's a bonus. Bloody good effort by our lads today and god help those Hammers when they come to our place on Sunday. The corner has been turned, it started second half against Newcastle and into todays game. We will muller West Ham on Sunday. Sorry if i have pissed people off in previous posts. Just a bit passionate about Villa me.
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We're Ireland and Messi injured today or are they now being kept out of the squad by blokes from the French Second Division and MLS ?
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Have to say, the defending for the 2nd goal was a lot worse than the last one.
That sums up for me why we are in trouble, nobody taking the responsibility of defending.
There was a slightly comical moment (if you're not a villa fan) in the second half, when Clark and Vlaar both tried to
take responsibility of clearing a loose ball and clattered into one another.
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Have to say, the defending for the 2nd goal was a lot worse than the last one.
That sums up for me why we are in trouble, nobody taking the responsibility of defending.
There was a slightly comical moment (if you're not a villa fan) in the second half, when Clark and Vlaar both tried to
take responsibility of clearing a loose ball and clattered into one another.
Just about sums up our defence. Comical.
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Have to say, the defending for the 2nd goal was a lot worse than the last one.
That sums up for me why we are in trouble, nobody taking the responsibility of defending.
Clark was woeful for goal 1
Goal 2 was Vlaar Lowton issue
Goal 3 was awful from Vlaar
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In a boring mid-table season, a draw away at Everton would indeed be a decent point. But in a potential, some may say probable, relegation season being 3-1 up away at Everton and only getting a point is a kick in the bollocks, regardless of what people might or might not have thought before kick-off. Add in some of the other results and it spells a shitty day.
It's all about the points now, and we chucked two away today. Again.
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Just got back and whilst it was disapointing to throw a 3-1 lead away, i'm encouraged somewhat. I personally think we've turned a corner or we're turning it slowly. There looks a lot more fight about us, we scored 3 really good goals but unfortunatley again the defending let us down. I don't think a win is far away.
Oh and the ref was absolutley abysmal. He made Phil Dowd look good.
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Just got back and whilst it was disapointing to throw a 3-1 lead away, i'm encouraged somewhat. I personally think we've turned a corner or we're turning it slowly. There looks a lot more fight about us, we scored 3 really good goals but unfortunatley again the defending let us down. I don't think a win is far away.
Oh and the ref was absolutley abysmal. He made Phil Dowd look good.
Tell me if I'm being stupidly biased, but I thought Guzan didn't get much protection from the referee.
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Fun fact of the day. In 2 games on Merseyside, Benteke has managed 4 times the number of league goals as Downing has managed in 42 games.
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Just got back and whilst it was disapointing to throw a 3-1 lead away, i'm encouraged somewhat. I personally think we've turned a corner or we're turning it slowly. There looks a lot more fight about us, we scored 3 really good goals but unfortunatley again the defending let us down. I don't think a win is far away.
Oh and the ref was absolutley abysmal. He made Phil Dowd look good.
Exactly Clampy. We played well today and we should be very encouraged by today's performance. Defence is still a big issue though.
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Oh and the ref was absolutley abysmal. He made Phil Dowd look good.
He wasn't that bad.
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Just got back and whilst it was disapointing to throw a 3-1 lead away, i'm encouraged somewhat. I personally think we've turned a corner or we're turning it slowly. There looks a lot more fight about us, we scored 3 really good goals but unfortunatley again the defending let us down. I don't think a win is far away.
Oh and the ref was absolutley abysmal. He made Phil Dowd look good.
Tell me if I'm being stupidly biased, but I thought Guzan didn't get much protection from the referee.
I did'nt notice at the time but now you come to mention it, no he did'nt. The ref was just shocking all over the pitch. The 6 minutes added time just summed him up.
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Just got back and whilst it was disapointing to throw a 3-1 lead away, i'm encouraged somewhat. I personally think we've turned a corner or we're turning it slowly. There looks a lot more fight about us, we scored 3 really good goals but unfortunatley again the defending let us down. I don't think a win is far away.
Oh and the ref was absolutley abysmal. He made Phil Dowd look good.
Tell me if I'm being stupidly biased, but I thought Guzan didn't get much protection from the referee.
I did'nt notice at the time but now you come to mention it, no he did'nt. The ref was just shocking all over the pitch. The 6 minutes added time just summed him up.
Aren't they told to allow 30 seconds for every goal and substitution which along with other stoppages would make it about right?
Anyway whether the injury time was right or not we still should be capable of defending for six minutes.
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I did'nt notice at the time but now you come to mention it, no he did'nt. The ref was just shocking all over the pitch. The 6 minutes added time just summed him up.
There was nothing wrong with the six minutes. The game was probably stopped for more than that just for the Fellaini and Lowton injuries.
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At the end of the season, all these dropped points from winning positions will be the death of us. Sad but true
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The referee was abysmal. I was only surprised he sidn't wheel away and celebrate with Sideshow Bob.
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The referee was abysmal. I was only surprised he sidn't wheel away and celebrate with Sideshow Bob.
I'm surprised he didn't carry on with game until Everton scored again.
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1 point gained before start of play in regards to the form book, but two points lost over the 98 minutes or so.
Will the point gained be our saviour, or the two points lost our downfall.
Only time will tell.
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Fun fact of the day. In 2 games on Merseyside, Benteke has managed 4 times the number of league goals as Downing has managed in 42 games.
Love it - I really hate the way that Runaway Weasel acted
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I'm sure the ref punched the air when Fellaini made it 3-3, did anyone else notice that.
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I really wish people on here would stop snapping each other's hands off.
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I'm sure the ref punched the air when Fellaini made it 3-3, did anyone else notice that.
Can't say I did to be honest, I was too busy banging my head off the table.
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I really wish people on here would stop snapping each other's hands off.
It's not too bad as everyone gets back from the match. The thread seems to settle down then.
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I tried as much as I could again to avoid the game today as watching or listening to it would have been torture, I wouldn't have enjoyed it. Having seen we were 3 - 1 up I thought, please hold out for a draw. That's how much faith I have in our defence. So I suppose, well done. But I reckon had we scored a fourth or even a fifth it would still have been a draw.
Not adding experience in this area when given a chance to do so will be our undoing.
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Nice quote fail Matt!
It can easily happen.....bloody iPhones!
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MOTD now saying kind things about us!
A sure sign we are down :(
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Just got back and whilst it was disapointing to throw a 3-1 lead away, i'm encouraged somewhat. I personally think we've turned a corner or we're turning it slowly. There looks a lot more fight about us, we scored 3 really good goals but unfortunatley again the defending let us down. I don't think a win is far away.
Oh and the ref was absolutley abysmal. He made Phil Dowd look good.
Tell me if I'm being stupidly biased, but I thought Guzan didn't get much protection from the referee.
I did'nt notice at the time but now you come to mention it, no he did'nt. The ref was just shocking all over the pitch. The 6 minutes added time just summed him up.
The referee was indeed shocking but the six minutes were what I guessed. There must have been 3 to 4 minutes for fellaini's injury, plus the subs, goals etc.
Our goals were good our defence wasn't. Overall I thought it was a good game. We go again.
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If ever you were 3-1 down to a team, you'd want it to be us.
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If ever you were 3-1 down to a team, you'd want it to be us.
All day long.
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I really wish people on here would stop snapping each other's hands off.
It's not too bad as everyone gets back from the match. The thread seems to settle down then.
It certainly does; generally speaking, people who've been to the game seem to have a more balanced view.
It's a sobering thought, though, that I've seen Villa score more league goals in Liverpool (6) in less than two months than I've seen them score league goals at Villa Park (5) in the past four months!
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
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Why the obsession with this bloke ?
I saw him today as well....... and so what? He's just a bloke at a football match
I feel bad about it.
I know he's a legend (for past things he's done) and I too get excited when I spot him, but sometimes I think he's going to come on here and see this sort of stuff and get really upset.
He's quite clearly a person with certain issues which make him vulnerable, and whilst I thnk mentioning him in reminiscences is ok, posting pictures and what not is a little bit too far, he could probably do without it.
That's not me speaking as a mod BTW, it's just a general reflection that it makes me feel a bit uneasy.
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Lets take the positives from the game. Just seen it on sky. Going forward we again looked good, Benteke is a potential world beater. The goals were excellent team play. Clark has to do better with Anchibes goal, really poor. Second goal was poor as well, we need to be stronger there and Vlaar lost his man for the third. We need to stop these stuoid mistakes and I think we can still get out of this
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
Pic
Why the obsession with this bloke ?
I saw him today as well....... and so what? He's just a bloke at a football match
I feel bad about it.
I know he's a legend (for past things he's done) and I too get excited when I spot him, but sometimes I think he's going to come on here and see this sort of stuff and get really upset.
He's quite clearly a person with certain issues which make him vulnerable, and whilst I thnk mentioning him in reminiscences is ok, posting pictures and what not is a little bit too far, he could probably do without it.
That's not me speaking as a mod BTW, it's just a general reflection that it makes me feel a bit uneasy.
That's fair enough, there was no derogatory intent towards him in posting the picture though.
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The defence will be the reason we go down- 7 scored in the last 3 away games and not one win.
And not one loss or you want to ignore that?
Aftab, fair point, there have been some positives in our attack in the last three away games in the league ( I am trying to forget Bradford and Millwall away). Like you, I am trying to get some positivity from our horrendous run - we have been shit for 6 weeks now and yet are not completely adrift.
The trouble is our home form is so shit that drawing away games just sees us drop further adrift of the teams around us. We need to capitalise when we are ahead going into injury time, or when we get a two goal lead.
Please don't take the following as a dig at you and your comment above as we need to believe right now. But a really big issue for me this season has been how we have justified poor results. For example, at W Ham on the opening day I heard "at least we kept possession better than last season", and " playing a promoted team early on is never easy", the latter amazingly being trotted out for the Southampton debacle. The collapses against Man City, Chelsea, Man U and Spurs were because we were playing Champs League teams. Losing 2 goal leads against Albion, Swansea and Everton were "results we would have accepted before kick off". The latter would normally be true, if - a big IF - we were winning games against Saints, Wigan, Norwich and Newcastle at home. Failure to win these games means we have to protect winning positions in difficult games.
One of my biggest worries this season is our lack of character. QPR, who have been poor, have sorted their defence out since Harry arrived. Luckily they haven't started scoring yet. Southampton have worked out how to score and gather points in difficult games. Reading have decided that being 2 goals down against anybody is the time to show a big pair of grizzly bear cojones. Wigan just think this is a normal season and are probably nonchalant about life.
I am trying hard to believe, to hope that our attack shall keep us up, but usually the team with the worst defence in the league goes down. I hope we can break that particular habit.
One final point: if we can maintain the attacking flair from our recent away games and somehow find a way to replicate it at Villa Park we will definitely be in with a chance of staying up. All we need is a few 5 goal leads to defend in the mast 10 minutes....!
Agree with all of your comments. I see all the signs is our play that gets teams relegated however there is a very good team in there if only we can survive this season. I would just like people to recognise that yes they have had some horrendous results but not losing at Swansea, WBA and Everton is actually very good.
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No, I know, MB, and I don't mean it in any way as a pop at you, I am just talking in general terms about how he's discussed on here (there have been photos before), and I might be overreacting, but I just feel a bit uneasy about it that's all.
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This is probably the first post match thread where I've expressed anger and dispair. On reflection when I'm normally trying to tell others its not as bad as some make out on previous post match threads, I think I'm being quite fair.
Away to Everton you couldnt ask for much more, except our same old recurring problems which come back to haunt us. We were not defensively poor today compared to previous games, just couldn't hold it together when it really mattered because today would have been amazingly important in our fight to stay up in the premier league and wouldn't be so angry over the pathetic defeats at home to Wigan, Southampton and Newcastle... but I do think those 3 defeats could really cost us in the end. Even under Mcleish I'm not sure if we'd lose those games.
from a more optimistic Villa fan... 2 very important points dropped today. Not listening to this bollocks about taken a point before the game. We were winning by 2 goals at a place hard to win and concede in injury time from a bloody corner to draw, when you have the rare opportunity to be winning by two.goals at Everton you simply cannot give up such a position, especially when we've been on.such a poor run and and 3 points today would have dramatically improved the players and fans confidence.
probably wrote too much and drunk too much... think might have another bottle of beer.
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All true, Situation, but on the other hand, we put in a decent performance, got a point, and looked stronger defensively overall (as you said) compared to previous matches.
We absolutely must win some of the on-paper "easier" home games, though. Points at places like Everton are an unexpected bonus. Being able to take more positives from it are extra bonuses.
That's not saying I think we'll stay up, I suspect we won't, it is just looking to take a positive, and seeing several things.
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On a side note, my mate sent me a picture of Wolfy at Goodison!
Post it up then
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Why the obsession with this bloke ?
I saw him today as well....... and so what? He's just a bloke at a football match
I feel bad about it.
I know he's a legend (for past things he's done) and I too get excited when I spot him, but sometimes I think he's going to come on here and see this sort of stuff and get really upset.
He's quite clearly a person with certain issues which make him vulnerable, and whilst I thnk mentioning him in reminiscences is ok, posting pictures and what not is a little bit too far, he could probably do without it.
That's not me speaking as a mod BTW, it's just a general reflection that it makes me feel a bit uneasy.
mind if you give some background on the fella? why is he a Villa fan legend?
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For their third goal there was nobody on the post, unless Weimann was meant to be marking that space ( I think he was marking the area a few metres to the side of the post).
Again, on the positive side our goals were wonderful, particularly the 3rd. Gabby should always start when we play Everton, as he seems to have a great scoring record against them too.
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We play badly = we don't win.
We play well = we don't win.
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You know what, we were very good today, and that referee has actually shat all over us. That performance from him was an absolute, total and utter disgrace, and he shouldn't be allowed to see another game of football, let alone officiate at one.
Sure, we're paying the price for how poor we've been at defending leads, but talk about luck going against you there. That was horrendous.
I have always thought Jones is easily the worse ref in the Prem
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
So how big is your caber?
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No, I know, MB, and I don't mean it in any way as a pop at you, I am just talking in general terms about how he's discussed on here (there have been photos before), and I might be overreacting, but I just feel a bit uneasy about it that's all.
Count me in on this too. Give the man a break.
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For their third goal there was nobody on the post, unless Weimann was meant to be marking that space ( I think he was marking the area a few metres to the side of the post).
Again, on the positive side our goals were wonderful, particularly the 3rd. Gabby should always start when we play Everton, as he seems to have a great scoring record against them too.
I noticed that on MOTD Pat, but I also noticed that there was someone on the near post on an earlier corner that was shown. Really poor goals to concede. As the first goal highlighted, Clark just isn't strong enough to get into the wrestling matches with forwards that he seems to favour. You would have thought that a) Clark would have realised that himself and changed his game b) someone on the coaching staff would have told him to stop doing it.
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For their third goal there was nobody on the post, unless Weimann was meant to be marking that space ( I think he was marking the area a few metres to the side of the post).
Again, on the positive side our goals were wonderful, particularly the 3rd. Gabby should always start when we play Everton, as he seems to have a great scoring record against them too.
Mental note if we draw them in the cup next season then...(smiley thing)
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When Clark competes to win a contested header he just looks kinda weak and flimsy.
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I'm not sure whether Vlaar was poor or unlucky but Fellaini got free as Vlaar was barged out of position (unintentionally I think) by Anichebe.
Fellaini's shot went through a crowd of players, why wasn't he closed down though.
As for Clark, he's clearly learning but he's nervous and he needs to calm down.
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I'm not sure whether Vlaar was poor or unlucky but Fellaini got free as Vlaar was barged out of position (unintentionally I think) by Anichebe.
Fellaini's shot went through a crowd of players, why wasn't he closed down though.
As for Clark, he's clearly learning but he's nervous and he needs to calm down.
Drummond - there's an old saying when it comes to sportsmen and women - "you can't put in what God has left out". I just don't think Clark is ever going to be physically strong enough or nasty enough top be a top CB. If you could combine his ability on the ball with Baker's physical attributes, then we would be talking about a top prospect.
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Somebody on here used to say 'if in doubt, blame the fans'
Can't remember who said it though.
I'm not blaming the fans, when I say moans I mean the natural exhalation when something isn't right. I think that the disappointment transfers to the players. Because of our shit form and recent history the fans are expecting to be disappointed and it sounds like it.
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As soon as i saw Holman coming on the inevitable was bound to happen.
what does he actually do , he never creates space for a pass off a player just runs round .
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Clark always seems to get left with "the heavy". Same thing happened with Lukaku at the Baggies. I'd rather Vlaar marked the bruiser if there is one.
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Really gutted to not win the game but I feel we can win more games than what I thought before the game.
we have to beat Spammers now but at least the team has goals even if the Three stooges are at the back.
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It wasn't so much the equalizing goal that pissed me off tbh. Fellaini's a big bloke, they try to look for him from corners anyway and he's scored like that against better defenders than ours.
What really gets me is the soft underbelly in our defensive play generally that seems to invite the opposition to take a pop. Once again, Bennett tried something too intricate that lead to a corner and more pressure.
There was another occasion on Evertons left flank where 3 of our defenders looked at another before one of them decided to try and close down the cross. There's a definite impression of confusion at times, and I'm sorry, that's simply down to poor coaching.
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Clark always seems to get left with "the heavy". Same thing happened with Lukaku at the Baggies. I'd rather Vlaar marked the bruiser if there is one.
Vlaar was marking Bradfords big man and we all know what happened there.
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It wasn't so much the equalizing goal that pissed me off tbh. Fellaini's a big bloke, they try to look for him from corners anyway and he's scored like that against better defenders than ours.
What really gets me is the soft underbelly in our defensive play generally that seems to invite the opposition to take a pop. Once again, Bennett tried something too intricate that lead to a corner and more pressure.
There was another occasion on Evertons left flank where 3 of our defenders looked at another before one of them decided to try and close down the cross. There's a definite impression of confusion at times, and I'm sorry, that's simply down to poor coaching.
You say it is down to poor defending, it is more than that.
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Poor defending due to poor coaching is the point I was making. Although I accept its hard to polish a turd if that's what you mean?
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All true, Situation, but on the other hand, we put in a decent performance, got a point, and looked stronger defensively overall (as you said) compared to previous matches.
We absolutely must win some of the on-paper "easier" home games, though. Points at places like Everton are an unexpected bonus. Being able to take more positives from it are extra bonuses.
That's not saying I think we'll stay up, I suspect we won't, it is just looking to take a positive, and seeing several things.
I thought today we were much better and gave away 3 very soft goals, BUT the 3rd looked like it wasn't a corner, and that typified the last half hour, where every singe time we looked to put a challenge in the ref gave Everton another chance to pump it into our box. It war getting stupid. Add that to him playing 6 mins stoppage, then adding another minute for them to take another corner, he was such a homer it was untrue. I felt for our lads, because the barrage was not through our making at times.
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As soon as i saw Holman coming on the inevitable was bound to happen.
what does he actually do , he never creates space for a pass off a player just runs round .
Answered your own question. Just runs round. That's it.
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All true, Situation, but on the other hand, we put in a decent performance, got a point, and looked stronger defensively overall (as you said) compared to previous matches.
We absolutely must win some of the on-paper "easier" home games, though. Points at places like Everton are an unexpected bonus. Being able to take more positives from it are extra bonuses.
That's not saying I think we'll stay up, I suspect we won't, it is just looking to take a positive, and seeing several things.
If we continue to play the way we did today (and in the second half against Nrewcastle) we do stand a good chance.
Todays fixture list was against us, a tough away game on Merseyside whilst most teams around us playing very winnable games. It could have been a lot worse.
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In a different context, most people would be upbeat about this game: we played some good stuff, scored some good goals, absorbed a lot of pressure without conceding clear cut chances - Weimann missed the easiest chance of the game. Take the positives, and move on. After all, you could have got 9/1 against us winning at one point according to the pre-match thread.
Unfortunately, we cannot ignore the context which is that we are deep in it and our trajectory as defined by results, despite some excellent periods of play and some very good goals, points inexorably in one direction.
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f**k Ive just seen where Wolves are .
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The simple facts are there is a lack of experience and a great deal of naivity in the club as a whole at the moment.
The Chairman - hasn't got a clue what to do when in a sticky situation - so adopts a bunker mentality and issues random statements veiling support of the manager with funds, when in actual fact, none materialise in reality.
The CEO - is really a pen pusher who knows about charging lots of interest on credit cards but really is quite clueless when it comes to running a £100m business.
The defence - well we've being saying it all season. Vlaar flatters to deceive, Clark is not now and never will be a Centre Half.
The midfield - again, Westwood promising but not enough backup and where single handedly you can say we have lost a lot of our games this season.
The forward line - inexperienced but relatively speaking have been fucking brilliant for us this season despite the abject mediocrity behind them.
The Manager - now at a big club and therefore in the spotlight is a very stubborn man, but admirable in that you can see what he is trying to do - some of the football going forward is as good as I've seen since Brian Little's days but, they just cannot defend. Therefore, why not accept outside help - ex defenders etc......his stubbornness and the boards ridiculous stance on not bringing in a Centre Half will, I am sure prove to be our undoing this season - I believe Lambert should have stood up more for what he wanted in the window - after all what could Lerner have done - got rid of him...would have made him look very bad indeed.....
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In a different context, most people would be upbeat about this game: we played some good stuff, scored some good goals, absorbed a lot of pressure without conceding clear cut chances - Weimann missed the easiest chance of the game. Take the positives, and move on. After all, you could have got 9/1 against us winning at one point according to the pre-match thread.
Unfortunately, we cannot ignore the context which is that we are deep in it and our trajectory as defined by results, despite some excellent periods of play and some very good goals, points inexorably in one direction.
If we had been the ones to come back from 3-1 down then it would have felt like a much more positive result and something we could have taken forward. As it is, it has just helped to add to the general sinking feeling that surrounds the Villa at the moment.
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Slept on it... Still feels like 2 points lost..
Ref was appalling in his decision making... And didn't help
We just need to learn how to kill a game off, and I include lambert in that as his subs where confusing.
I know it's early days but don't see Syllia as our saviour... Should of had 2 yellows and looked off the pace... Maybe he just needs to get match fit.
Can't see anything but our relegation still...
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We all know the problems so no need for me to repeat them. A point more than I expected but a kick in the balls not to get all three in the end, especially in light of other results.
Think we've found a system more suited to us and we look capable of scoring. We play some good stuff. You watch us for long periods of that game and wonder how we're even in trouble, then the last 20 minutes remind you why. But, I feel like, very slowly, we're turning the corner. There you go, I've said it.
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How did the fans react at the end, did many players come over?
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Having watched the game on motd it confirms what i thought yesterday when watching realtime, clark is a really poor defender and i would be happier with baker rather than clark in the side.
The first goal was shocking defending by clark, the 2 nd we had four players all failed to get the block in and the 3rd fellaini had a free header and vlaar was caught out - these defensive errors must be cut out if we are to have a hope of survival.
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MOTD was an interesting summary of the game, and Hansen called it well I thought.
His analysis showed that Clark still has much to learn even if in the second half he appeared to learned something about not getting too tight.
It does beg the question about what they do in training each day and how we appear to be repeating the errors of previous games.
And the corner-defending record of the three seasons really is quite frightening.
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I feel sorry for Clark. We know hes not a centre half I suspect he knows hes not a centre half but it appears Lambert thinks he is.
Well Mr Lambert you are wrong.
I only noticed at the third time of watching Vlaar failing to deal with Fellaini for their late goal Clark pushing Jelavic over from behind in the area and then failing to get anywhere near Fellaini.
Our only hope is to play Baker and Vlarr unless there is a centre half in Reo Cokers current situation who we can bring in at short notice.
I dont rate Agbonlahor in any shape or form but yesterday he was magnificent no other word for it.
I would play Stevens at left back.
Finally you can,to a point, get away with the full backs in any team as long as they can defend a bit, but the centre backs have to be big brave and totally effective.
Thats where our problem lies. Ours are very far from that standard.
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Set off from London at 9am yay and got back just in time to see us again on MoTD @ 10:30.
Whilst once again we conceded late I have to say that that's more like the battling Aston Villa that I want to see every week. We took 1000 fans but we sang throughout. I was in the Everton Directors box and it made me smile after the 19 min applause which was silent to then hear the 'no respect' chant. The people @ where I were genuinely didn't have a clue and amongst the noise and clatter of the match you could be forgiven for not even hearing it even if you did.
Benteke is different gravy, I think he'd be snapped up even if we did stay up. When I see us play like that it makes me more annoyed than anything as I know we can do it, especially when we you see on Collymore's twitter feed that if matches thus far this season ended at half time - we'd currently be in 6 th place on 31 pts.
Don't know where I'm at this morning, half of me doesn't want to be optimistic again after yesterday's valuable away draw as I'll only be setting myself up for more disappointment again. What to do......
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Everton are a much better side than Arsenal and Tottenham.
They can do it all; mix it physically, pass it well, use width, hoof it into the box. Ultimately, that was a very good point.
Draw your away games, time to start winning tbe home ones.
I have seen us play a game and a half of football with pace and width and we look dangerous and capable of scoring goals.
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Yes, there are plenty of positives to be taken from the performance, and yes, we'd all have accepted a point prior to kick off. But more worrying than individual defensive shortcomings, and worse than the fact that it feels like two points dropped, is our mental frailty. We showed fight, skill and spirit to take the lead, but not the composure and strength of mind to protect it. That's what you need to win games, and we desperately need to win games.
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Set off from London at 9am yay and got back just in time to see us again on MoTD @ 10:30.
Top man (I presume) dl9. Thank you for supporting.
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If anyone wants to insult me, that's ok. I really am the most massive tosser.
I've never met you or seen you but given your kind invite I'd like to confirm that you stink and have no friends, big nose.
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Same as what everyone has said, I originally did not give them a cat in bells chance of winning, even including Everton in my accumulator. With the luck I have, it was no surprise therefore to see us winning.
From what I saw on the stream yesterday, and from second half v Newcastle, the players appear to be giving more effort, almost as if they have realised the severity of the situation. This would normally give me some hope for the remainder of the season however I am still puzzled how we didn't manage to get someone into defence during the last transfer window. Clark's confidence is shot to pieces and he desperately needs time out of the game to revitalise himself.
One other observation that makes me smile when I see it, as I don't understand why they do it; Our midfield do an awful lot of pointing when a runner get beyond them. They do this and then just stay as they are. Westwood does this a lot, and I saw Al Ahmedi do it yesterday. This was despite the defenders being already outnumbered.
Of the remaining fixtures;
West Ham (h) - massive and must win game, just for a lift if anything. They will bombard us with crosses
Arsenal (a) - 4 days after they play Bayern Champs League, they may rest players
Man City (h) - unlikely to get anything
Reading (a) - massive and must win
QPR (h) - massive and must win
Liverpool (h) - if they make Europa League quarter final, it is 4 days after this. Team selection may be weaker
Stoke (a) - difficult match, but it is possible
Fulham (h) - need to get something out of this
Man Utd (a) - If they make champions league semis, team selection may be weaker
Sunderland (h) - need to get something out of this
Norwich (a) - need to get something out of this
Chelsea (h) - difficult
Wigan (a) - As Les McQueen said in League of Gentlemen, "this is where you shit yourself"
Can we do it? I'm an optimist, but there are very worrying signs. I'm not so sure
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I find this 'Clark not a centre half, or 'Clark a poor centre half, I'd rather have Baker' thing quite interesting.
At the start of the Nathan Baker thread it was all praise for the two of them (pre Liverpool)
Later in the thread they were both as good as useless (post Liverpool)
These 2 quote from Ozzjim (sorry for picking you, buddy) are typical of the how views change.
Pre Liverpool: Baker is a solid, no nonsense centre half. With that you need a footballer, organiser and leader next to them. Clark is that now. Captain today, and rightly so.
Post Liverpool: Clark is a liability without a strong leader alongside him. Ditto Baker.
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For one hour I have seen the team that I expected from Lambert since the beginning.
Four (not five) defenders, a very attacking-minded approach to the game with four offensive players even away, attractive football, and three quality strikers.
In the last half an hour we collapsed as usual, we went under pression, we stopped playing limiting to belt the ball clear in Dunne style, and in these conditions the opponents' goal is only a question of time. Vlaar's marking was once again ridiculous, Clark is not a central defender, and generally speaking the defence has not the minimum of the organization that one would expect from a Premier League team. We must work hard on the defence and on the midfield that doesn't protect the defence.
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Same as what everyone has said, I originally did not give them a cat in bells chance of winning, even including Everton in my accumulator. With the luck I have, it was no surprise therefore to see us winning.
From what I saw on the stream yesterday, and from second half v Newcastle, the players appear to be giving more effort, almost as if they have realised the severity of the situation. This would normally give me some hope for the remainder of the season however I am still puzzled how we didn't manage to get someone into defence during the last transfer window. Clark's confidence is shot to pieces and he desperately needs time out of the game to revitalise himself.
One other observation that makes me smile when I see it, as I don't understand why they do it; Our midfield do an awful lot of pointing when a runner get beyond them. They do this and then just stay as they are. Westwood does this a lot, and I saw Al Ahmedi do it yesterday. This was despite the defenders being already outnumbered.
Of the remaining fixtures;
West Ham (h) - massive and must win game, just for a lift if anything. They will bombard us with crosses
Arsenal (a) - 4 days after they play Bayern Champs League, they may rest players
Man City (h) - unlikely to get anything
Reading (a) - massive and must win
QPR (h) - massive and must win
Liverpool (h) - if they make Europa League quarter final, it is 4 days after this. Team selection may be weaker
Stoke (a) - difficult match, but it is possible
Fulham (h) - need to get something out of this
Man Utd (a) - If they make champions league semis, team selection may be weaker
Sunderland (h) - need to get something out of this
Norwich (a) - need to get something out of this
Chelsea (h) - difficult
Wigan (a) - As Les McQueen said in League of Gentlemen, "this is where you shit yourself"
Can we do it? I'm an optimist, but there are very worrying signs. I'm not so sure
that is is difficult run in with our form. Shit your pants starts time now.
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It is a difficult run in, but I see 7 more than winnable games.
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It is a difficult run in, but I see 7 more than winnable games.
Of which we probably won't win any. Wigan, Southampton and Newcastle at home were winnable games, which even if we'd won one of them would mean we wouldn't be in the bottom three.
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I think there are winnable games a plenty to;
West Ham, QPR, Fulham and Sunderland are the key four that I think we need to win. The Liverpool and Chelsea games are not beyond us either.
Away from home there are games against Reading, Norwich and Wigan, yet I feel a cheeky point at Arsenal is on the cards and I would love us to beat Stoke.
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Shaun Teale on Talksport just now: "Attack the ball. No matter how many players are around it, there's only one ball. Make it yours."
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A point away at home against Everton is a great result if you were winning or even drawing games at home,we're not. Also teams will never fold against us because they know how fragile we are so they know it's worth battling til the end and throwing the kitchen sink at us no matter what the score is. Its all very depressing
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Shaun Teale on Talksport just now: "Attack the ball. No matter how many players are around it, there's only one ball. Make it yours."
I love Shaun Teale. Even though we had a good defence under BL, I was sad to see ST leave
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It is a difficult run in, but I see 7 more than winnable games.
Of which we probably won't win any. Wigan, Southampton and Newcastle at home were winnable games, which even if we'd won one of them would mean we wouldn't be in the bottom three.
You may be right mate. The games against our fellow strugglers will be absolutely key. We simply must win against Reading, QPR and Wigan at the very minimum. Goal difference is also massively against us.
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It is a difficult run in, but I see 7 more than winnable games.
Actually, after yesterday's draw, four wins and a few draws might be enough. Beat West Ham, QPR, Reading and Fulham and surely we could get draws from Sunderland, Stoke and Norwich? Perhaps we can get surprise points against Arsenal and Liverpool too.
We still have Wigan at the end of the season too. If we can get to 36 points before we play Wigan we will stay up. We drew our way to safety last season, four wins and some good draws could do the job again.
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Chelsea (h) - difficult
f**k knows how to beat us 8-0 , they seem to let all the shite teams around us pick up points against them. These can be beat .
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We normally have a good record against them at Villa Park, so I live in hope.
That game at Stamford Bridge was just terrible. It was that bad that half way through the match I was undecided if I wanted to go back in time and start the match again, or just get the bloody thing finished.
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Chelsea (h) - difficult
f**k knows how to beat us 8-0 , they seem to let all the shite teams around us pick up points against them. These can be beat .
Yes but not by us.
How many have we won in the last 40 games? - to expect us to start winning now with a defence devoid of confidence is over optimistic to say the least
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A point away at home against Everton is a great result if you were winning or even drawing games at home,we're not. Also teams will never fold against us because they know how fragile we are so they know it's worth battling til the end and throwing the kitchen sink at us no matter what the score is. Its all very depressing
I think this is unfortunately the case.
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Shaun Teale on Talksport just now: "Attack the ball. No matter how many players are around it, there's only one ball. Make it yours."
I'm no Shaun Teale but have been saying the same all season. Center halves should be attacking every ball that comes into the box and having seen Vlaar's 'marking' of Fellani for the equalizer has there ever been a truer word. A statue would have given it just as good a go.
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I think there are winnable games a plenty to;
West Ham, QPR, Fulham and Sunderland are the key four that I think we need to win. The Liverpool and Chelsea games are not beyond us either.
Away from home there are games against Reading, Norwich and Wigan, yet I feel a cheeky point at Arsenal is on the cards and I would love us to beat Stoke.
I just don't see why we will suddenly start to win games when we have only managed 4 wins so far?
I think there is allot of straw clutching going on.
I really want us to stay up, and I would love us to put together a great run that will see us safe, but I am struggling to see it happening.
I don't think Lambert can motivate them or produce the tactics over the rest of the season.
Even in our last relegation season we managed some good results that flattered to deceive
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Same as what everyone has said, I originally did not give them a cat in bells chance of winning, even including Everton in my accumulator. With the luck I have, it was no surprise therefore to see us winning.
From what I saw on the stream yesterday, and from second half v Newcastle, the players appear to be giving more effort, almost as if they have realised the severity of the situation. This would normally give me some hope for the remainder of the season however I am still puzzled how we didn't manage to get someone into defence during the last transfer window. Clark's confidence is shot to pieces and he desperately needs time out of the game to revitalise himself.
One other observation that makes me smile when I see it, as I don't understand why they do it; Our midfield do an awful lot of pointing when a runner get beyond them. They do this and then just stay as they are. Westwood does this a lot, and I saw Al Ahmedi do it yesterday. This was despite the defenders being already outnumbered.
Of the remaining fixtures;
West Ham (h) - massive and must win game, just for a lift if anything. They will bombard us with crosses
Arsenal (a) - 4 days after they play Bayern Champs League, they may rest players
Man City (h) - unlikely to get anything
Reading (a) - massive and must win
QPR (h) - massive and must win
Liverpool (h) - if they make Europa League quarter final, it is 4 days after this. Team selection may be weaker
Stoke (a) - difficult match, but it is possible
Fulham (h) - need to get something out of this
Man Utd (a) - If they make champions league semis, team selection may be weaker
Sunderland (h) - need to get something out of this
Norwich (a) - need to get something out of this
Chelsea (h) - difficult
Wigan (a) - As Les McQueen said in League of Gentlemen, "this is where you shit yourself"
Can we do it? I'm an optimist, but there are very worrying signs. I'm not so sure
The problem is simply this. U agree with your match predictions of what we need over the coming games. Unfortunately it means winning 3 out our next five. As winnable as some of the games are, we've only won 4 all season! So how likely is it we win 3 from 5 ?
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I think there are winnable games a plenty to;
West Ham, QPR, Fulham and Sunderland are the key four that I think we need to win. The Liverpool and Chelsea games are not beyond us either.
Away from home there are games against Reading, Norwich and Wigan, yet I feel a cheeky point at Arsenal is on the cards and I would love us to beat Stoke.
I just don't see why we will suddenly start to win games when we have only managed 4 wins so far?
I think there is allot of straw clutching going on.
I really want us to stay up, and I would love us to put together a great run that will see us safe, but I am struggling to see it happening.
I don't think Lambert can motivate them or produce the tactics over the rest of the season.
Even in our last relegation season we managed some good results that flattered to deceive
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Shaun Teale on Talksport just now: "Attack the ball. No matter how many players are around it, there's only one ball. Make it yours."
I'm no Shaun Teale but have been saying the same all season. Center halves should be attacking every ball that comes into the box and having seen Vlaar's 'marking' of Fellani for the equalizer has there ever been a truer word. A statue would have given it just as good a go.
I'd give my right arm to have Teale in our back four now.
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Let's be honest, Clark is a nervous wreck and Concrete Ron is more like Playdoh Ron.
We're a team with the worst goal difference in the league with a fairly decent front 2/3 who get goals. Yet our fucking Owner/Manager doesn't find the finances for a CB.
We're going down, not because we don't fight, but because the players can't bloody defend!!
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And just one player like Teale would make all the difference. He doesn't have to be the most gifted, it's all about attitude and mental (and physical) strength.
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West Ham now have a fit Andy Carroll back in the side. They only have to pump a few crosses into the box next week and he will have a field day. His goal yesterday was typical and worrying for our non-ability to defend. There is also Carlton Cole. Any team with tall strikers can beat us just given a few heading chances.
We apparently couldn't afford the wages for a loan centre back. Do the sums - £50k a week for the rest of the season is less than one million pounds. Not paying that is likely to cost us sixty million. How is that any form of sense?
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Shaun Teale on Talksport just now: "Attack the ball. No matter how many players are around it, there's only one ball. Make it yours."
I think the loss of Richard Dunne all season so far is having a massive impact on these corners. I reckon if him and Vlaar (who I still rate) were playing together particularly at Swansea, West Brom and Everton then we would have the extra six points and be a lot more comfortable. Vlaar to a degree is still learning the Premier League and even he needs someone like Dunne to help him along initially. Losing Dunne so far, Collins and Cuellar and only having Vlaar (partly through injury) Clark and Baker to replace them is too much inexperience. I remember Dunne coming back from injury at West Brom last year in a big pressure game and having a big impact straight away and we drew 0-0 and could've won the game.
I'm no Shaun Teale but have been saying the same all season. Center halves should be attacking every ball that comes into the box and having seen Vlaar's 'marking' of Fellani for the equalizer has there ever been a truer word. A statue would have given it just as good a go.
I'd give my right arm to have Teale in our back four now.
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Shaun Teale on Talksport just now: "Attack the ball. No matter how many players are around it, there's only one ball. Make it yours."
I'm no Shaun Teale but have been saying the same all season. Center halves should be attacking every ball that comes into the box and having seen Vlaar's 'marking' of Fellani for the equalizer has there ever been a truer word. A statue would have given it just as good a go.
I'd give my right arm to have Teale in our back four now.
If you think I'm going out on the piss with a one arm brother just because you want to see some 50 year old bloke in the middle of our defence then you've got another thing coming.....
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No, I know, MB, and I don't mean it in any way as a pop at you, I am just talking in general terms about how he's discussed on here (there have been photos before), and I might be overreacting, but I just feel a bit uneasy about it that's all.
Is carrying a bag full of costumes and a cabbage to the match really the behaviour of someone who shuns attention and just wants to be left alone?
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How did the fans react at the end, did many players come over?
Most of our fans were clapping. The players were clapping back from the middle of the pitch. We were rushing for a taxi so didn't stay to see if they came over. One or two bickering outside the ground but that's usually due to being pissed.
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well If we dont beat spammers , its goodnight vienna
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No, I know, MB, and I don't mean it in any way as a pop at you, I am just talking in general terms about how he's discussed on here (there have been photos before), and I might be overreacting, but I just feel a bit uneasy about it that's all.
Is carrying a bag full of costumes and a cabbage to the match really the behaviour of someone who shuns attention and just wants to be left alone?
No, I know, MB, and I don't mean it in any way as a pop at you, I am just talking in general terms about how he's discussed on here (there have been photos before), and I might be overreacting, but I just feel a bit uneasy about it that's all.
Is carrying a bag full of costumes and a cabbage to the match really the behaviour of someone who shuns attention and just wants to be left alone?
No, I know, MB, and I don't mean it in any way as a pop at you, I am just talking in general terms about how he's discussed on here (there have been photos before), and I might be overreacting, but I just feel a bit uneasy about it that's all.
Is carrying a bag full of costumes and a cabbage to the match really the behaviour of someone who shuns attention and just wants to be left alone?
Lol, rofl etc.
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West Ham now have a fit Andy Carroll back in the side. They only have to pump a few crosses into the box next week and he will have a field day. His goal yesterday was typical and worrying for our non-ability to defend. There is also Carlton Cole. Any team with tall strikers can beat us just given a few heading chances.
We apparently couldn't afford the wages for a loan centre back. Do the sums - £50k a week for the rest of the season is less than one million pounds. Not paying that is likely to cost us sixty million. How is that any form of sense?
This was not the case, Lambchop didn't fancy anyone (i.e. centre back) on loan!
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On the bright side, after countless weekends wrecked by defeats in recent seasons, let's take heart from a point.
So, in other words, not totally fucked.
There's a consolation point and there's a point gained. We got the former, and when it's so late in the game as it was against Swansea it's a bloody killer. Given how in recent weeks Reading and Newcastle have found ways to win games, the consolation points don't help as much.
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we all know the defense is poor, but i think a lot of it is in the minds of the players now, we have lost leads from promising positions so often that it almost becomes part of our DNA, panic stations all round
bringing in some big beafy defender seems to be the cure all answer, but i'm not so sure,
i think its a team belief thing, yes i would have liked to have seen a new face or two in that department but the likes of Upson or Dann would gurantee very little in my view, Samba would be a different case, but we are not paying the big wages of such players for now, so thats it
there is normaly someone at fault in most goals that are scored in any game for any team,
for instance yesterday Everton who are supposed to be solid in defense were awful,
both of Bentekes goals were scored against absolute woefull defending far worse than ours in my view, if it was Clark who was skinned like the Everton defender was for the first we would be up in arms and quite rightly,
the defense is a massive problem i agree, but i still think its a team vulnerabilty and the fragile confidence that we have that causes us to concede under pressure, i've never known it quite so bad, i'm not sure new players would automaticaly put that right, what we really need is a couple of wins to make a difference to our confidence
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I think the loss of Richard Dunne all season so far is having a massive impact on these corners.
I know what you're saying but Dunne was part of the team that conceded from set pieces last season; and the season before.
Any half-decent CB should be able to do the basics of defending - head, clear, attack the ball - and so I have come to the conclusion that we have had a fundamental coaching problem for the last three years (even if that sounds incredible, given that we have had several different coaching influences over that time).
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well If we dont beat spammers , its goodnight vienna
Are you rigsby in disguise?
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West Ham now have a fit Andy Carroll back in the side. They only have to pump a few crosses into the box next week and he will have a field day. His goal yesterday was typical and worrying for our non-ability to defend. There is also Carlton Cole. Any team with tall strikers can beat us just given a few heading chances.
We apparently couldn't afford the wages for a loan centre back. Do the sums - £50k a week for the rest of the season is less than one million pounds. Not paying that is likely to cost us sixty million. How is that any form of sense?
This was not the case, Lambchop didn't fancy anyone (i.e. centre back) on loan!
Achilles is right , blame lambchop for not getting a defender .
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Then Lamebert is a bloody idiot.
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Cracker of a match yesterday albeit it was like another defeat conceding at the death again,
but there was some pride and belief back in the team and the supporters yesterday, which
hopefully will be carried on to the next game (sounds like PL).
Good banter in the corner with Everton lads, albeit a handful would wish us to suffer the 'R' word
footnote when has it been racist behaviour to act the 'calm down calm down' to Bluescouse?
I got severe reprimand and warning of ejection by a jobs worth steward who hadn't got a sense of humour
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Cracker of a match yesterday albeit it was like another defeat conceding at the death again,
but there was some pride and belief back in the team and the supporters yesterday, which
hopefully will be carried on to the next game (sounds like PL).
Good banter in the corner with Everton lads, albeit a handful would wish us to suffer the 'R' word
footnote when has it been racist behaviour to act the 'calm down calm down' to Bluescouse?
I got severe reprimand and warning of ejection by a jobs worth steward who hadn't got a sense of humour
Probably angry that you werent wearing a fellaini style wig when telling them to 'calm down'
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well If we dont beat spammers , its goodnight vienna
Are you rigsby in disguise?
well I feel like a dirty old man at times
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I think there are winnable games a plenty to;
West Ham, QPR, Fulham and Sunderland are the key four that I think we need to win. The Liverpool and Chelsea games are not beyond us either.
Away from home there are games against Reading, Norwich and Wigan, yet I feel a cheeky point at Arsenal is on the cards and I would love us to beat Stoke.
I just don't see why we will suddenly start to win games when we have only managed 4 wins so far?
I think there is allot of straw clutching going on.
I really want us to stay up, and I would love us to put together a great run that will see us safe, but I am struggling to see it happening.
I don't think Lambert can motivate them or produce the tactics over the rest of the season.
Even in our last relegation season we managed some good results that flattered to deceive
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Apart from the Cup run and away at LPool every match has seemed to run to a very similat script - watching them at home is like a slightly out-of-synch re-run of the last one - away from home I always feel we have a chance but if we need three goals to get a point we are fooked.
It is not outside threalms of possibility that we will not win another match this season - all for the want of a bit of class...
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The beer alone is worth the trip to Liverpool. There are some great pubs in the town.
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There are several potentially winnable games, but only if we learn how to defend very fast.
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No, I know, MB, and I don't mean it in any way as a pop at you, I am just talking in general terms about how he's discussed on here (there have been photos before), and I might be overreacting, but I just feel a bit uneasy about it that's all.
Is carrying a bag full of costumes and a cabbage to the match really the behaviour of someone who shuns attention and just wants to be left alone?
No, but then again, is it the behaviour of someone who is entire compos mentis?
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Undoubtedly but being crackers doesn't necessarily mean he wants to be treated with kid gloves.
Lets celebrate our nutters.
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I think the point is: are we holding him up for ridicule? I don't think so.
There's a woman in Guildford with a beard, you can find her on Google.
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PS I understand that 'crackers' and 'nutters' wouldnt be words strictly recognised by mental health professionals.
Right on kids.
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There's a woman in Guildford with a beard, you can find her on Google.
He's right.
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There's a woman in Guildford with a beard, you can find her on Google.
He's right.
I bet there is more than one!
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The beer alone is worth the trip to Liverpool. There are some great pubs in the town.
The Philharmonic in Hope St is a must .
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The lady herself. Bit of a looker if you ask me. ;D
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The beer alone is worth the trip to Liverpool. There are some great pubs in the town.
Tranmere are likely to provide an away league fixture next season.
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Just saw the MOTD highlights. Thought we played well. Yes we made some mistakes but the positive were there. If we can play like this and build a little more confidence in the defence then we will stay up no worries.
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The lady herself. Bit of a looker if you ask me. ;D
Yes looks like Julie Goodyear in that coat.
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Just a question...Mike Jones lives here in Ellesmere Port, so how come he gets a game against at Goodison Park? I was under the impression that you had to live a certain distance from any particular ground? Im not clutching at straws but i think his performance was bordering on bias. There was of course most of the 50/50s that went in Evertons favour, a very inconsistent advantage rule in operation, and there was 2 other very bizzare moments, firstly he actually gave an offside decision himself in favour of Everton, i dont think ive ever seen that in a proffesional game before, and also, when we trailling 2-3, Everton were awarded a free kick and he was urging the everton player to take it more quickly.
The Linesman opposite the villa fans on the far side was equally as bad, the 2nd and 3rd goals should not have been allowed, because on both occasions , in the early build up, Everton were caught offside on both occasions, thats why Westwood was booked for dissent because he was arguing that point. There was also an other occasion when Everton took a corner which clearly curled out of play when taken. That just summed up the whole day on the officals front, they were crap.
We can moan all day long about how bad we are defensively, and ive done my fair share of that recently...but i thought in a strange way we defended a lot better yesterday, we just got let down by inept officials. I also believe we used up all our good luck last season, we really dont seem to get much fortune for us this season. I still think there is still hope for us though, i was really encouraged with our overall performace yesterday, i just think our January form and results might prove too costly.
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I thought we defended quite well too, on the whole.
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I thought we defended quite well too, on the whole.
Bit like the Man Utd match earlier in the earlier then, where we defended OK on the whole, but individual errors cost us dearly.
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Just a question...Mike Jones lives here in Ellesmere Port, so how come he gets a game against at Goodison Park?
He must be a Red as the Everton fans hate him too, judging by their boards.
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Just a question...Mike Jones lives here in Ellesmere Port, so how come he gets a game against at Goodison Park? I was under the impression that you had to live a certain distance from any particular ground? Im not clutching at straws but i think his performance was bordering on bias. There was of course most of the 50/50s that went in Evertons favour, a very inconsistent advantage rule in operation, and there was 2 other very bizzare moments, firstly he actually gave an offside decision himself in favour of Everton, i dont think ive ever seen that in a proffesional game before, and also, when we trailling 2-3, Everton were awarded a free kick and he was urging the everton player to take it more quickly.
The Linesman opposite the villa fans on the far side was equally as bad, the 2nd and 3rd goals should not have been allowed, because on both occasions , in the early build up, Everton were caught offside on both occasions, thats why Westwood was booked for dissent because he was arguing that point. There was also an other occasion when Everton took a corner which clearly curled out of play when taken. That just summed up the whole day on the officals front, they were crap.
We can moan all day long about how bad we are defensively, and ive done my fair share of that recently...but i thought in a strange way we defended a lot better yesterday, we just got let down by inept officials. I also believe we used up all our good luck last season, we really dont seem to get much fortune for us this season. I still think there is still hope for us though, i was really encouraged with our overall performace yesterday, i just think our January form and results might prove too costly.
The bald Linesman from yesterdays game (Wilkes) Used to be my PE teacher at high school, and is a Villa fan.
Still can't get my head around the fact he was running the line
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I was disappointed that Lambert bought on Sylla for N'Zogbia and not KEA. It's the same thing he did against Albion and all we do is get more defensive. I'd rather he bought Dawkins on maintained a fresh attacking outlet.
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Just a question...Mike Jones lives here in Ellesmere Port, so how come he gets a game against at Goodison Park?
He must be a Red as the Everton fans hate him too, judging by their boards.
What the Everton fans complaining about him yesterday, are they having a laugh!
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Just a question...Mike Jones lives here in Ellesmere Port, so how come he gets a game against at Goodison Park?
He must be a Red as the Everton fans hate him too, judging by their boards.
What the Everton fans complaining about him yesterday, are they having a laugh!
Apparently he left his yellow cards at home.
http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/12-13/comment/editorial/23666.html
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The lady herself. Bit of a looker if you ask me. ;D
That's a bloke with moobs.
Thinking about it, has anyone seen 'her' and Dunne in the same place at the same time? It would certainly explain where he's gone!
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Just a question...Mike Jones lives here in Ellesmere Port, so how come he gets a game against at Goodison Park?
He must be a Red as the Everton fans hate him too, judging by their boards.
What the Everton fans complaining about him yesterday, are they having a laugh!
Apparently he left his yellow cards at home.
http://www.toffeeweb.com/season/12-13/comment/editorial/23666.html
He must have left his red ones aswell..Osmans "tackle" was a shocker
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I was disappointed that Lambert bought on Sylla for N'Zogbia and not KEA. It's the same thing he did against Albion and all we do is get more defensive. I'd rather he bought Dawkins on maintained a fresh attacking outlet.
Agree fully, we are much better with Zog on these days. He's finally starting to look like a £10m player.
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I was disappointed that Lambert bought on Sylla for N'Zogbia and not KEA. It's the same thing he did against Albion and all we do is get more defensive. I'd rather he bought Dawkins on maintained a fresh attacking outlet.
Agree fully, we are much better with Zog on these days. He's finally starting to look like a £10m player.
He is the proverbial 'new signing'. Looks very dangerous.
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I was disappointed that Lambert bought on Sylla for N'Zogbia and not KEA. It's the same thing he did against Albion and all we do is get more defensive. I'd rather he bought Dawkins on maintained a fresh attacking outlet.
Agree fully, we are much better with Zog on these days. He's finally starting to look like a £10m player.
He is the proverbial 'new signing'. Looks very dangerous.
Good old Dougism's :)
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N'Zogbia looks a lot happier - and more effective - in a central role. Excellent bit of play in supplying Benteke for the first.
He still looks only a 4 - 5 mill player tome me, which is nevertheless a big improvement on the 500k he looked before.
The real annoying thing is that the problem most other clubs struggle to solve - strikers and GK - we actually have top 6 quality.
It would be a real shame if we only got a single year from a player of Benteke's quality and even that did us no good at all. Just as bad if we cannot get Weimann to commit to a deal.
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N'Zogbia looks a lot happier - and more effective - in a central role.
I thought at times last season he looked disinterested when he was played out wide. He obviously prefers playing in a more central role, though I am still concerned about his work rate and defending in that position.
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He needs to add some goals now. He scored something like 10 times for Wigan in the run in to help them stay up. We could do with a bit of the same. Mind you, it will be for nothing if we can't keep the score down.
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I think the point is: are we holding him up for ridicule? I don't think so.
There's a woman in Guildford with a beard, you can find her on Google.
Ive met her . I did a radio show there and as I walked back to the car with my band mates , we say her . I never forgot it , we even talked about it this friday to my girlfriend who kept saying you was mistaken , it must have been a bloke .
Thanks for this Damon , I thought I was going mad at the time .
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He needs to add some goals now. He scored something like 10 times for Wigan in the run in to help them stay up. We could do with a bit of the same. Mind you, it will be for nothing if we can't keep the score down.
Very unlucky in recent games, great Strikes either hitting posts or keeper pulling off top drawer saves. Hopefully he'll get a goal v west ham.
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I was disappointed that Lambert bought on Sylla for N'Zogbia and not KEA. It's the same thing he did against Albion and all we do is get more defensive. I'd rather he bought Dawkins on maintained a fresh attacking outlet.
Agree fully, we are much better with Zog on these days. He's finally starting to look like a £10m player.
He is the proverbial 'new signing'. Looks very dangerous.
Good old Dougism's :)
Ha ha!
But very true in this instance. He has added to his game that which has been missing; a final ball.
He is looking very good of late.
As for KEA I thought he was hit and miss. At times he wasn't getting close enough to his marker, but then just as I was about to shout something at him, he would.
I think Sylla will be alright in this league. There was an occasion where he won the ball off Sideshow Bob and held the elbow merchant off while he span 180 degrees. Brute force and power count for a lot in this league.
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Happy with a point as I did not think we would get any, annoyed that when it said 6 mins I just had the feeling that they would score.
3 goals away from home and probably should of had another, must beat Wet Sham Sunday.
UTV
The Doc
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As for KEA I thought he was hit and miss. At times he wasn't getting close enough to his marker, but then just as I was about to shout something at him, he would.
Back to the lack of a captain issue, I think. Somebody to just keep him on his toes
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We miss Dunne and his leadership.
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N'Zogbia looks a lot happier - and more effective - in a central role.
I thought at times last season he looked disinterested when he was played out wide. He obviously prefers playing in a more central role, though I am still concerned about his work rate and defending in that position.
He looked crap because of McLeish. He was bought to replace Downing ostensibly, which is stupid because anyone who ever saw him play at Wigan knows he played his best stuff there in the channels, driving into the box behind a striker. When you get him out wide, he just looks to come back inside, ends up running into his teammates and losing possesion.
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Didn't see enough of Sylla to judge, but thought KEA was improved. I think any two from them and Westwood for the rest of the season should provide us with a bit of strength and stability in the centre.
Overall I thought it was a good performance and despite the heart break of their equaliser, we dealt with the other set pieces better. Everton are a strong and competitve side, so that corner in isolation wouldn't be a cause for concern.
Also should be mentioned that Lowton put in two excellent crosses for two of our three goals. More of that, please!
Play like that for the rest of the season and I think we'll stay up!
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Didn't see enough of Sylla to judge, but thought KEA was improved. I think any two from them and Westwood for the rest of the season should provide us with a bit of strength and stability in the centre.
Overall I thought it was a good performance and despite the heart break of their equaliser, we dealt with the other set pieces better. Everton are a strong and competitve side, so that corner in isolation wouldn't be a cause for concern.
Always should be mentioned that Lowton ut in two excellent crosses for two of our three goals. More of that, please!
Play like that for the rest of the season and I think we'll stay up!
I thought westwood crossed for gabbys goal?
Granted lowtons cross for benteke was perfect.
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We need two players who can win the ball and get it wide or into Charlie.
If they can drop the shoulder and bomb on a bit then great, but lets keep it simple. Which two out of KEA, Sylla, Delph, Bannan, Ireland and Westwood are most likely to offer that at any given time?
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We need two players who can win the ball and get it wide or into Charlie.
If they can drop the shoulder and bomb on a bit then great, but lets keep it simple. Which two out of KEA, Sylla, Delph, Bannan, Ireland and Westwood are most likely to offer that at any given time?
For me it would be from westwood, delph, sylla, kea - ireland and bannan not for me.
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I thought westwood crossed for gabbys goal?
Granted lowtons cross for benteke was perfect.
I was watching it in the pub and haven't seen MOTD yet, but thought it was Lowton? Apologies if I'm wrong!
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Lowton for Benteke and Westwood for Gabby.
Both excusite crosses.
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Lowton for Benteke and Westwood for Gabby.
Both excusite crosses.
And a great one-two between Lowton and Weimann for Benteke's second
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Lowton for Benteke and Westwood for Gabby.
Both excusite crosses.
And a great one-two between Lowton and Weimann for Benteke's second
In many ways it was every bit as good a goal/move as Benteke's 2nd at Anfield.
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Lowton for Benteke and Westwood for Gabby.
Both excusite crosses.
And a great one-two between Lowton and Weimann for Benteke's second
In many ways it was every bit as good a goal/move as Benteke's 2nd at Anfield.
You mean Weimann's goal with the back heel from Benteke?
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Lowton for Benteke and Westwood for Gabby.
Both excusite crosses.
And a great one-two between Lowton and Weimann for Benteke's second
In many ways it was every bit as good a goal/move as Benteke's 2nd at Anfield.
You mean Weimann's goal with the back heel from Benteke?
Shit - I'm getting a lot wrong on this thread, aren't I?
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May I remind you of the site rules. Excessive factual errors in a single thread are punishable by a lifetime ban.
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I consider myself suitably warned.
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May I remind you of the site rules. Excessive factual errors in a single thread are punishable by a lifetime ban.
However, putting 'fact' after a statement automatically makes it true. Fact.
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Watching the highlights of this game just now, Johnny Heitinga's performance was as bad as anything from our defenders this season.
We played some excellent stuff in that match, and came away with a point. Disappointing not to hold on for all three, but anyone who can't take positives from that performance is never going to be happy.
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Saturday again demonstrated why Aston 'Jekyll and Hyde' Villa are so deep in the EPL do do. Going forward, there are times when our play is sublime. As good as anybody in the league. Defensively we look like a complete basket case. No composure, no confidence, a complete lack of any semblance of solidity. Lambert has to talk up the positives post match, but it will ultimately be his failure to address our frailties that will take us down. Whilst not yet resigned to relegation, like many on here I'm expecting it.
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Having a day to cool down.
I would have been over the moon with a draw . I think Weimann was left on to long , Bennett needs to be dropped and please never bring Holman on again , start with Sylla next game instead of KEA and Baker for Clark.
I think we can still get out of it , yes Im mad , I normally see bearded old ladies but SORT THE DEFENCE !!! please.
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Watching the highlights of this game just now, Johnny Heitinga's performance was as bad as anything from our defenders this season.
We played some excellent stuff in that match, and came away with a point. Disappointing not to hold on for all three, but anyone who can't take positives from that performance is never going to be happy.
It also demonstrated the point that somebody made to me in another thread where I had posted that the end being nigh, that we have the makings of a good team.
Some of the goals we have scored this season have been the best we have seen in years.
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I wonder if anyone at AVFC has thought about getting a team psychologist in yet?