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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on November 04, 2012, 01:52:13 PM
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Give it a rest you bunch of clueless, ignorant muppets. You're the ones showing no respect, not the opposition fans.
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Well said legion- the whole shit support mlord, no respect mlord stuff is an embarrassment our club- please sing your villa songs and cut out this crap song.
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I used to love that song when it was just the one verse, now I despise it.
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new verses required.......its becoming silly
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We have a great away following, but the no respect and empty seats chants are truely cringeworthy
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Really embarrassing from our point of view
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=740357
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Empty seats and shit support are embarrassing enough, but no respect is nothing short of disgraceful.
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We have a great away following, but the no respect and empty seats chants are truely cringeworthy
empty seats is abit pot calling kettle black
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It is utter bollocks, whilst I have every sympathy fro petrol and wish him luck in his battle against illness why should any club (other than villa) applaud on 19 minutes, we did this at villa park not long after he was diagnosed so we have shown our respect .....but to expect other fans to keep it going is beyond a joke.
Can't argue with this at all.
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Must admit I'm starting to wish the 19th minute would wind down now. It's gone beyond what I wanted it to do when I first suggested it.
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Give it a rest you bunch of clueless, ignorant muppets. You're the ones showing no respect, not the opposition fans.
Spot on.
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Must admit I'm starting to wish the 19th minute would wind down now. It's gone beyond what I wanted it to do when I first suggested it.
I said this a couple of months ago.Stan knows how we feel its time to drop it.
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I think the club should end it's endorsement of the 19th minute. I'm sure the applause will continue, but it needs to go. In no way does anyone not wish Petrov a full recovery, but when something is taken over by the morons to play with, it loses it's relevance.
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Really embarrassing from our point of view
http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=740357
Interesting read.....lots of SAFC fans genuinely didn't know what it was about (and why should they) and were wondering what the no respect chant was for after. I have been to most away games this year and genuinely can't remember any fans overtly disrespecting the applause (couple of morons at WHUFC on the left of us apart).
Maybe we should just do it at home with no silly chants afterwards
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I think the club should end it's endorsement of the 19th minute. I'm sure the applause will continue, but it needs to go. In no way does anyone not wish Petrov a full recovery, but when something is taken over by the morons to play with, it loses it's relevance.
Yes it's served it's purpose, stan is on the road to recovery and knows he has our support - time to call a halt now.
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Read through that Sunderland thread and cannot disgree with a lot of it to be honest.
The ones who use the 19th minute applause to then have a go at the oppostion fans with `No respect m'lud`are the same muppets who sing empty seats m'lud (do they look around VP most games these days?) `It's your round m'lud`and `On the piss m'lud` (have they read Paul McGraths biography? Probably not, the illiterate twats).
I think the 19th minute applause should be dropped now. I would rather keep a look out for any news of Stans progress than stand up for a minute clapping and then having the reaction from the idiots afterwards. I doubt most of them could tell you the first thing about whats happened with Stan since he was diagnosed anyway.
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Chanting "no respect" is utterly embarrassing and makes Villa fans look like a bunch of childish morons. I'm afraid it's up to reasonable fans to tell the cretins to shut the fuck up.
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Yep the No Respect chant has got to stop. I'm fine for fans to carry on applauding if that's what they want to do but I wonder if maybe a banner of some sort on the Holte End would be a better reminder, if there is'nt already one.
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Chanting "no respect" is utterly embarrassing and makes Villa fans look like a bunch of childish morons. I'm afraid it's up to reasonable fans to tell the cretins to shut the fuck up.
Unfortunately, that then leads to squabbles and scuffles. Better to let it end at VP and the cretins will get bored of it eventually.
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Must admit I'm starting to wish the 19th minute would wind down now. It's gone beyond what I wanted it to do when I first suggested it.
I said this a couple of months ago.Stan knows how we feel its time to drop it.
Agree completely .
Also think that an appearance from Stan on the pitch , either before the game or at half time would help, if he's well enough to do that .
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Read through that Sunderland thread and cannot disgree with a lot of it to be honest.
The ones who use the 19th minute applause to then have a go at the oppostion fans with `No respect m'lud`are the same muppets who sing empty seats m'lud (do they look around VP most games these days?) `It's your round m'lud`and `On the piss m'lud` (have they read Paul McGraths biography? Probably not, the illiterate twats).
I think the 19th minute applause should be dropped now. I would rather keep a look out for any news of Stans progress than stand up for a minute clapping and then having the reaction from the idiots afterwards. I doubt most of them could tell you the first thing about whats happened with Stan since he was diagnosed anyway.
Far from reading Paul's autobiography I bet most of them wouldn't know him if they passed him in the street. The song is no way a tribute to Paul and is frankly an embarrassment to our great club when it leads to shit support, empty seats , on the piss, no respect etc.
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I agree chant the whole Petrov thing needs to be left at Villa park and gradually knocked on the head. The whole empty seats thing is pointless we all know that. I would much rather have a 'ooh aah Paul McGrath chant.' these were the first words out of my 10 year olds mouth.. she is now a proud season ticket holder. One last thing though cut all the slagging off of the fans who make the effort to go away. show some respect!!!!!!!
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I don't mind the Paul McGrath song to be honest. It might appear in poor taste but i don't think it's intended to be.
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One last thing though cut all the slagging off of the fans who make the effort to go away. show some respect!!!!!!!
Oh I see. They go away, therefore have proved their allegiance and get to say what they like.
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I don't mind the Paul McGrath song to be honest. It might appear in poor taste but i don't think it's intended to be.
Doesn't matter if it's intended to be or not, it is in poor taste.
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Must admit I'm starting to wish the 19th minute would wind down now. It's gone beyond what I wanted it to do when I first suggested it.
Agreed. We are now past it's intent and conduct of our fans in no respect song is bringing us disrespect. Best wishes for Stan but please no more 19th minute screen shot. Leave it to those who want to do and don't make judgements on those who don't.
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We should drop the m'lud song and get back to `My Old Man`. The most profane song ever but not disrespectful to anybody, unless your Dad really was a bluenose.
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stu. you always pick on a point in a post.. fans who go away do deserve more respect anyone who thinks different is a pleb... my original post was a light hearted look at the situation. anyway keep being bitter.
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They don't deserve more respect just because they go to away games. And we'll have less of the insults as well please.
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Anyone offended by the word pleb is deeply disturbed.. also i wont comment on Stu's posts if he doesnt comment on mine. Happy with that?
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I would rather we just sang "One Stiliyan Petrov" for the 19th minute. It would be a natural progression between wishing him well and things returning to normal.
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Anyone offended by the word pleb is deeply disturbed.. also i wont comment on Stu's posts if he doesnt comment on mine. Happy with that?
You can comment on any post you like, but if you call anyone who disagrees with you a pleb or any other insult then you won't be posting on any posts. Is that clear enough?
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I would rather we just sang "One Stiliyan Petrov" for the 19th minute. It would be a natural progression between wishing him well and things returning to normal.
really good idea
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Agree Lee. Fulham fans all applauded our applause to be met with No respect etc, Sunderland didn't but then it was just plain ridiculous to sing No respect. its our thing why should anyone else have to follow what we do and give us a round of applause? Its almost we're saying,'look at us and how respectufl we are'. It cheapens it and is frankly pathetic.
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I would much rather have a 'ooh aah Paul McGrath chant.' these were the first words out of my 10 year olds mouth..
Bloody hell, I was a late-developer myself but even I had said my first words by the time I was seven!
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It is pathetic and needs to stop.
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I would rather we just sang "One Stiliyan Petrov" for the 19th minute. It would be a natural progression between wishing him well and things returning to normal.
really good idea
Yes, great idea.
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In what context did you use the word pleb then? It sounded like it was intended as an insult. I will save my respect for those who have truly earned it, troops in Afghanistan, people who have achieved things in life etc. Going to an away match does not qualify.
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stu. you always pick on a point in a post.. fans who go away do deserve more respect anyone who thinks different is a pleb... my original post was a light hearted look at the situation. anyway keep being bitter.
I thought that one needed highlighting because I don't agree with the logic. Following Villa to every away game doesn't give you the right to say whatever you like, I'm sorry it just doesn't.
What have I got to be bitter about anyway?
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Think we should drop the 19th minute applause now.
Stan knows we all love him and want him to be given the all clear a.s.a.p.
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Virtually all our chants are negative songs about the opposition city/town/fans/stadium or about Small Heath. Tedious as fuck.
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Think we should drop the 19th minute applause now.
Stan knows we all love him and want him to be given the all clear a.s.a.p.
Spot on. I've been saying this for a while. Petrov knows how we feel about him. We don't have to advertise it to every Tom, Dick or Harry. Let him recover with a bit of dignity. Time to move on, Villa.
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Is there enough mass here on H&V that regularly travels away to start a crusade to stop "No respect" singing?
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A few of us were trying to shut up the fans who were singing "no respect" at a recent away... possibly Fulham lor maybe Southampton, I forget. We were roundly ignored.
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We all seem to agree that it should stop, but suggestions on how is what we should be looking at.
Perhaps a page in the programme and a slot on the official site would be a start.
A truly cringeworthy song that embarrasses the majority.
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Or if anyone who posts here who do sing it should either tell us why they think its a good song, and if its just following the crowd, maybe could just stop singing it.
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Or if anyone who posts here who do sing it should either tell us why they think its a good song, and if its just following the crowd, maybe could just stop singing it.
Speak to Nicola keys , she will sort it - the general said so.
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Virtually all our chants are negative songs about the opposition city/town/fans/stadium or about Small Heath. Tedious as fuck.
agreed.
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Or if anyone who posts here who do sing it should either tell us why they think its a good song, and if its just following the crowd, maybe could just stop singing it.
Speak to Nicola keys , she will sort it - the general said so.
I'll send him an email at his new job. I'm sure he'd welcome my input.
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Virtually all our chants are negative songs about the opposition city/town/fans/stadium or about Small Heath. Tedious as fuck.
Are you not pandering to this tedious negativity by referring to our neighbours as Small Heath instead of their correct name?
It's Small Heath Alliance.
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Would like to think we'll develop some new songs in 2013
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apologies to Stu for earlier you are neither bitter or a pleb..
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Or if anyone who posts here who do sing it should either tell us why they think its a good song, and if its just following the crowd, maybe could just stop singing it.
Do you mean the McGrath song or 'no respect'?
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Both?
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Both?
I've sang the McGrath song in the past but i have'nt done for a long long while and i did sing 'No Respect' at the Albion away game last season, i think.
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apologies to Stu for earlier you are neither bitter or a pleb..
Hey, no problem.
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Is there enough mass here on H&V that regularly travels away to start a crusade to stop "No respect" singing?
Very good point. At the least this should be spread around the Internet - Villa Talk, Vital Villa, Vill News & Views... I was at Fulham and the Fulham fans clapped only to be met with this stupid chant. We need to can this ASAP.
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I was in the main stand with Sunderland fans yesterday and frankly they had no idea that the 19th minute thing was going on. There were so few (comparatively) villa fans who were stuck up in the air, you couldn't really see are hear anything. No one heard the 'no respect' chant either.
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The whole McGrath/M'Lordsong is a total and complete embarrassment...can't we please just stop it? It makes us look horrifically small time. We need to cut it out, by whatever means possible.
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The whole McGrath/M'Lordsong is a total and complete embarrassment...can't we please just stop it? It makes us look horrifically small time. We need to cut it out, by whatever means possible.
As every season came around, I used to hope that 'my garden shed' would disappear. It has almost gone but this 'my lord' stuff is fucking pathetic. When will it ever end?
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I would rather we just sang "One Stiliyan Petrov" for the 19th minute. It would be a natural progression between wishing him well and things returning to normal.
Agree, this would be much better. I agree with what a lot of the sunderland fans have written. How would they know and what has it to do with them? It makes me shudder when other teams say we're turning into Liverpool.
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How about a chorus of :' Stan Petrov is ours, Stan Petrov is ours, why should they care?, Stan Petrov is ours'. To the tune of the City is ours obviously. Clearly these twats need it explained in simple terms
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How about a chorus of :' Stan Petrov is ours, Stan Petrov is ours, why should they care?, Stan Petrov is ours'. To the tune of the City is ours obviously. Clearly these twats need it explained in simple terms
I like that idea.
For what it's worth I don't mind the 19" applause/singing in itself (I just can't find much wrong with clapping at a football match) but agree with the pathetic "no respect" chants afterwards. It would be much better if that minutes applause led onto a general sustained period of chanting without resorting to slagging the oppo off for no reason at all. But it's up to other fans at the game (including us) to make that happen.
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i go home and away, i dont clap anymore. if i thought it would do the slightest bit of good now after stan has entered remission i would still be doing it. stan will have felt the love and good feeling from us , aston villa, and now i think it is time to drop it. i have had leukaemia and i would be pissed off now if i thought my illness was being used as a stick to beat opposition fans with. time to move on now.
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What we actually need is to score in the 19 and a half'th minute. That would confuse them! I agree with what was said about Fulham, we got a good round of applause after the minute was up, then the song, absolutely cringeworthy! other than that we were brilliant that day, the fifteen minutes of Paul Lambert's C&B army leading up to half time was as good as I've heard for years!
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We need to stop this clap on the 19th minute now. We've done it for long enough.
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What we actually need is to score in the 19 and a half'th minute. That would confuse them! I agree with what was said about Fulham, we got a good round of applause after the minute was up, then the song, absolutely cringeworthy! other than that we were brilliant that day, the fifteen minutes of Paul Lambert's C&B army leading up to half time was as good as I've heard for years!
What would really confuse them is if the opposition score on 18 mins 59 secs and we give a resounding one minute's applause!
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What we actually need is to score in the 19 and a half'th minute. That would confuse them! I agree with what was said about Fulham, we got a good round of applause after the minute was up, then the song, absolutely cringeworthy! other than that we were brilliant that day, the fifteen minutes of Paul Lambert's C&B army leading up to half time was as good as I've heard for years!
What would really confuse them is if the opposition score on 18 mins 59 secs and we give a resounding one minute's applause!
Don't tempt fate, CJ!
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I did find this post quite amusing on one of the threads
they didn't notice they'd scored. too busy thumbing through their songbooks to find out which "amusing" ditty was next on the list.
Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=740490&page=3#ixzz2BL9JtluH
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I did find this post quite amusing on one of the threads
they didn't notice they'd scored. too busy thumbing through their songbooks to find out which "amusing" ditty was next on the list.
Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=740490&page=3#ixzz2BL9JtluH
Blimey. If you read through all that lot, it does make you cringe. What a reputation we have.
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I did find this post quite amusing on one of the threads
they didn't notice they'd scored. too busy thumbing through their songbooks to find out which "amusing" ditty was next on the list.
Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=740490&page=3#ixzz2BL9JtluH
Blimey. If you read through all that lot, it does make you cringe. What a reputation we have.
I have to agree with them.At the moment we have the shittest songbook in the league
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I think actually we're more subtle than we think. I'm convinced it's our comedic use of irony that other fans don't get like singing 'Fulhams a sxxt Hole I want to go home' and 'Empty seats M'lord'
I used to worry about such things.....Sunderland fans don't like our dull songs ? so what.......I bet they liked the score worse.
Didn't ruin my journey home in the slightest.
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I imagine if they had beaten us we'd have been seen as great fans.
At Fulham we got a different reaction from their support on the forums but then we lost that one.
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I have to agree with them.At the moment we have the shittest songbook in the league
I dunno, I took my daughter for her first game to Fulham-Everton on Saturday (long story!) and sat in the same seats in the neutral end as for the Villa game a fortnight earlier, and the Everton fans were shit by comparison! They have a great song about Fellaini, but other than that is was the odd "Everton, Everton, Everton" and their team were fantastic!
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I did find this post quite amusing on one of the threads
they didn't notice they'd scored. too busy thumbing through their songbooks to find out which "amusing" ditty was next on the list.
Read more: http://www.readytogo.net/smb/showthread.php?t=740490&page=3#ixzz2BL9JtluH
Blimey. If you read through all that lot, it does make you cringe. What a reputation we have.
They're still feeling bitter though, a lot of the same shit gets said on here after we've lost. I agree with the fact that 'no respect m'lord' needs to be canned, and canned quick, but look at the other shit they were claiming:
According to the villa fans on my train they only sold 1400 as they took 4000 to Swindon mid week. He was full of shit like.
I don't know how many Villa went to Sunderland, but it's true that we took thousands to Swindon.
Worst songbook in the league.
Have they heard Everton recently? Or had a bit of a look at themselves? I can't think of one song that is unique to Sunderland fans, probably something about Newcastle.
Villa supporters are fairly unobjectionable in my view; perhaps a trifle bland though as they generally draw support from the suburbs and surrounding towns rather than Birmingham proper.
This old chestnut. I can't believe this shit is still doing the rounds. Villa have more fans in Birmingham than any other team, and that's before we get to the surrounding towns.
They are the dullest set of supporters in the league. Always have been, always will be.
This is coming from a Sunderland fan, who's supporters are renowned for, um, I dunno...having a conga line when they went down at Villa Park a few years ago?
WBA have the best away support in the midlands in my experience. Both in terms of numbers and atmosphere.
And apparently now we have less fans than the Albion.
I totally agree with them on the 'no respect' stuff, as I've said. The rest of that thread is bollocks though, and they're still smarting from being outplayed at home to a side they were convinced they were going to smash.
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I can't think of one song that is unique to Sunderland fans, probably something about Newcastle.
There's one they nicked from Elvis and that cringeworthy one about Naill Quinn's trousers.
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It's funny, football supporters forming opinions about followers of other teams. As if they are a different species or something.
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I can't think of one song that is unique to Sunderland fans, probably something about Newcastle.
There's one they nicked from Elvis and that cringeworthy one about Naill Quinn's trousers.
Never heard them. Doesn't sound like I've missed much either!
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I know it has irritated some people when we sing that to opposition fans, however those nasty low life scum who make up the vast majority of Man Utd's away 'support' truly deserve total disgust. Not only disgracefully failing to observe the one minutes silence before the game , they had actually planned to turn the 19th minute into an opportunity to hijack our support for Stan into a means of annoying us even holding up a flag with 19 on it alluding to their 'achievements' Worst fans by a country mile.
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They just live up to what we expect of them...
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That "no respect" song really is the absolute pits. An embarrassment to the club. Why the hell should Man Utd fans any other club's fans clap along with the 19th minute thing?
About time we put a stop to it anyway.
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I think the idea has run its' course to be honest. Between small minorities of our fans and the opposition's it just causes trouble. I'm pretty sure Stan gets that we're all rooting for him.
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I know it has irritated some people when we sing that to opposition fans, however those nasty low life scum who make up the vast majority of Man Utd's away 'support' truly deserve total disgust. Not only disgracefully failing to observe the one minutes silence before the game , they had actually planned to turn the 19th minute into an opportunity to hijack our support for Stan into a means of annoying us even holding up a flag with 19 on it alluding to their 'achievements' Worst fans by a country mile.
I think it was the fans outside that were queuing to get in that were to blame. Their fans in the stadium observed the minute's silence appropriately. I missed the 19 flag. Could you expand on that?
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I have no problem if other fans don't want to join in, and I certainly get pissed off with the "no respect" crap when they have actually joined in. However there is a difference to not joining in either through choice or not knowing what is going on, and deliberately attempting to mock or disrupt it if that is what the manure fans did.
Having said that, the 19th minute is getting a long way away from what it was intended for when I started it, so personally i'd prefer it to start winding down.
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I agree, but personally I'd like to see it continue at Home games.
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Have to say I heard very little of the Man ure fans throughout the game from the back of the holte. How did they disrespect the clapping?
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That's the VP acoustics for you. I heard very little from the Holte End but plenty from the glory-hunters.
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Bulwark
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Bulwark
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When I sat in the Upper Holte (for 16 years) I'd say the opposite.
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i dont clap anymore, when questioned about it by my mate next to me in the holte i told him to clap for me for a minute everytime we meet as i am also in remission like stan!
give it a break now, it is getting ridiculous!
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i dont clap anymore, when questioned about it by my mate next to me in the holte i told him to clap for me for a minute everytime we meet as i am also in remission like stan!
give it a break now, it is getting ridiculous!
I'd clap for you as part of the tribute.
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i dont clap anymore, when questioned about it by my mate next to me in the holte i told him to clap for me for a minute everytime we meet as i am also in remission like stan!
give it a break now, it is getting ridiculous!
I'd clap for you as part of the tribute.
i would say, thanks lee, but i am better now, so shut the fuck up, i know you love me!
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I know it has irritated some people when we sing that to opposition fans, however those nasty low life scum who make up the vast majority of Man Utd's away 'support' truly deserve total disgust. Not only disgracefully failing to observe the one minutes silence before the game , they had actually planned to turn the 19th minute into an opportunity to hijack our support for Stan into a means of annoying us even holding up a flag with 19 on it alluding to their 'achievements' Worst fans by a country mile.
I think it was the fans outside that were queuing to get in that were to blame. Their fans in the stadium observed the minute's silence appropriately. I missed the 19 flag. Could you expand on that?
They haven't observed previous minute silences at Villa Park. I remember quite a few of them shouting during the minute's silence when Tony Barton died.
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What they did was sing 'thankyou ' for us congratulating them on 19 titles whist holding up a banner with 19 on it . An obvious piss take while we did the 19th minute applause for Stan. While he still needs our support I think we should show it by that method.Ignore the opposition fans as (particularly away) They may not realise what is going on. This lot obviously did and they sank even lower than there already despicable norm.
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Somebody on the radio stated that they also booed during the 19th?
Their 'hardcore' fans just remind me of a bunch of blokes who have never had a girlfriend whilst trying to mimick their 70s hoolies. Shame. And as for their 'songs' they just sound like a constant dirge. Scumbags the lot of them.
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What they did was sing 'thankyou ' for us congratulating them on 19 titles whist holding up a banner with 19 on it . An obvious piss take while we did the 19th minute applause for Stan. While he still needs our support I think we should show it by that method.Ignore the opposition fans as (particularly away) They may not realise what is going on. This lot obviously did and they sank even lower than there already despicable norm.
Agreed. Oppo fans have no reason to know about or join in with the 19th minute. It's a Villa thing, about showing support for the club captain, and actually the opposition fan response has by and large been beyond the call of duty for them, often applauding during the minute and after, so the 'No Respect' thing has been embarrassing. However, if the United fans did that, that really is a disgrace.
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They did and I would guess it was pre-meditated which makes it all the worse.
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What annoyed me the most was that after the round of 'no respect, m'lord', a bloke standing just in front of me started singing a song about the Munich air disaster in retaliation.
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That "no respect" song really is the absolute pits. An embarrassment to the club. Why the hell should Man Utd fans any other club's fans clap along with the 19th minute thing?
About time we put a stop to it anyway.
This.
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Some of our lot are so sensivitve. Man up for heavens sake.
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You're the shit of Manchester was a very apt song to aim at the, today , apart from the fact most of them are not from Manchester- I would much rather see city dominate than united though and rub their noses in it - once fergie goes I think united will gradually slip into the kind of decline Liverpool are in.
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Some of our lot are so sensivitve. Man up for heavens sake.
Agreed (except for with the spelling on 'sensitive').
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The reaction of some of The Holte to other fans not applauding is small time, embarrassing and pathetic. It was H & V where the idea of 19th minute applause started, and a very good idea it was. I would hope H & V has the ear of the club for it now to stop, because the whole thing is now about about fans stupid attitudes and stupid reactions and not about Stilyan Petrov.
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The reaction of some of The Holte to other fans not applauding is small time, embarrassing and pathetic. It was H & V where the idea of 19th minute applause started, and a very good idea it was. I would hope H & V has the ear of the club for it now to stop, because the whole thing is now about about fans stupid attitudes and stupid reactions and not about Stilyan Petrov.
Agreed, it's time to call a halt now, petrov seems to be on the road to recovery and we have shown our support for him- maybe someone should approach the club and convey those thoughts .
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Do Bolton fans clap at the corresponding minute of Muamba's shirt number?
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Somebody on the radio stated that they also booed during the 19th?
Their 'hardcore' fans just remind me of a bunch of blokes who have never had a girlfriend whilst trying to mimick their 70s hoolies. Shame. And as for their 'songs' they just sound like a constant dirge. Scumbags the lot of them.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but their singing and celebrations at Villa Park always feels contrived.
It's like they're desperate for everyone to think they're the biggest and the best at everything but they're hopelessly insecure.
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i dont clap anymore, when questioned about it by my mate next to me in the holte i told him to clap for me for a minute everytime we meet as i am also in remission like stan!
give it a break now, it is getting ridiculous!
Fully agree, I'm not sure it was the right thing to do in the first place honestly. Stan knows how we feel.
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Must admit I'm starting to wish the 19th minute would wind down now. It's gone beyond what I wanted it to do when I first suggested it.
I said this a couple of months ago.Stan knows how we feel its time to drop it.
Agree I think we are starting to look like it defines our club which it shoudn't as we have more pressing matters on and off the pitch.
I wish Petrov all the best but it is likely he has had and will continue to have the very best treatment available for his illness. He knows he has the good wishes of all the Villa, Celtic, Bulgarian and most of other teams fans.
Time to move on
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I think it should be dropped now, not because we shouldn't be showing our support but it's blatantly being used as a point scoring exercise by some so much so that some put more effort into singing no respect than they do applauding the skipper.
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So how do we get it stopped ?
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Silhillvilla- good question and I think the answer would be a message from Stan himself saying he appreciates the gesture but better work would be done if all supporters gave a commitment of just a £1 to Leukaemia Support at the next home game.
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Somebody on the radio stated that they also booed during the 19th?
Their 'hardcore' fans just remind me of a bunch of blokes who have never had a girlfriend whilst trying to mimick their 70s hoolies. Shame. And as for their 'songs' they just sound like a constant dirge. Scumbags the lot of them.
I can't quite put my finger on it, but their singing and celebrations at Villa Park always feels contrived.
It's like they're desperate for everyone to think they're the biggest and the best at everything but they're hopelessly insecure.
That's just the thing about them. They're like Americans in that deep down they know they have no real history, their success is transient and one day they will return from whence they came so they have to hide their insecurities by boasting about the present.
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An apology (http://www.manchesterunited.vitalfootball.co.uk/article.asp?a=299570)
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That's just the thing about them. They're like Americans in that deep down they know they have no real history, their success is transient and one day they will return from whence they came so they have to hide their insecurities by boasting about the present.
Really?
Their first league championship was in 1908, they won the European cup 15 years or so before us...Sure, their most successful period has been from the 90s onward, but it's not like they never won a trophy before then.
It's a fair criticism of a club like Chelsea/Blue Mancs, doesn't really hold true with the red Mancs though.
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United fans are WUM of the highest order, the 19 thing dosen't surprise me at all.
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Sight tangent but still on the no respect theme.
James McLean refused to wear a shirt with a poppy on it on Saturday. His choice, of course.
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McLean comes from a Nationalist area of Northern Ireland so it may be he either genuinely feels no alleigance to British forces personnel or he was concerned about his family taking stick back home.
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Sight tangent but still on the no respect theme.
James McLean refused to wear a shirt with a poppy on it on Saturday. His choice, of course.
He comes from Derry so it's hardly surprising his attitude to the British Army is a little different from the rest of us.
Also no one should be press ganged into wearing a poppy if you choose not to.
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The Apology was good. The fans who booed someone suffering with Leukemia, or made noise through the minutes silence, or made a scene in our home stands when they scored are all tarred with the same brush for me. Ignorant.
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He comes from Derry so it's hardly surprising his attitude to the British Army is a little different from the rest of us.
Also no one should be press ganged into wearing a poppy if you choose not to.
I understand exactly why he did it. I also said he was free to choose whether or not to do it.
I'm not sure whether Remembrance Sunday is about the British Army or whether it's about spending 2 minutes each year remembering the ordinary blokes who have been killed in wars?
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Sight tangent but still on the no respect theme.
James McLean refused to wear a shirt with a poppy on it on Saturday. His choice, of course.
He comes from Derry so it's hardly surprising his attitude to the British Army is a little different from the rest of us.
And, probably a little concerned about the reaction by locals to his family still there if he did wear one.
Someone should remind them that over 60,000 Irish lost their lives fighting in WW1.
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He comes from Derry so it's hardly surprising his attitude to the British Army is a little different from the rest of us.
Also no one should be press ganged into wearing a poppy if you choose not to.
I understand exactly why he did it. I also said he was free to choose whether or not to do it.
I'm not sure whether Remembrance Sunday is about the British Army or whether it's about spending 2 minutes each year remembering the ordinary blokes who have been killed in wars?
Isn't it just an excuse for people to try to outdo each other on Facebook with pictures of poppies and "lest we forget" type quotes?
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And, probably a little concerned about the reaction by locals to his family still there if he did wear one
In effect, he was press-ganged into not wearing a poppy?
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And, probably a little concerned about the reaction by locals to his family still there if he did wear one
In effect, he was press-ganged into not wearing a poppy?
hasnt jon snow the broadcaster said he will not wear a poppy this year as many expect him too. he supports the cause but will not be made to wear one just because it is SEEN to be doing the right thing.
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hasnt jon snow the broadcaster said he will not wear a poppy this year as many expect him too. he supports the cause but will not be made to wear one just because it is SEEN to be doing the right thing.
He's said that for the last couple of years and that's fair enough for me. This wasn't the reason that McLean chose not to wear one though.
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It doesn't really matter why McLean chose not to though does it? It seems slightly ironic to me that the thought police now deem it completely unacceptable for any public person not to be seen wearing a poppy. Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
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Sight tangent but still on the no respect theme.
James McLean refused to wear a shirt with a poppy on it on Saturday. His choice, of course.
He comes from Derry so it's hardly surprising his attitude to the British Army is a little different from the rest of us.
And, probably a little concerned about the reaction by locals to his family still there if he did wear one.
Someone should remind them that over 60,000 Irish lost their lives fighting in WW1.
Yet the poppy still remains synonymous with the British Army/British veterans. For some it's very hard to disassociate it from support for the British armed forces.
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I suspect that it was a really hard decision for McLean, just like which country he chose to represent. Play for Northern Ireland and get stick from the "loyalists/protestants", or play for the Republic and, erm...and get stiick from the "loyalists/protestants".
And it's also like Rory McIlroy's decision whether to represent ROI or GB at the next olympics. Damned if you do...
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Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?
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Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?
Or perhaps he just doesn't want to wear one.
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Or perhaps he just doesn't want to wear one.
That's what I'm hoping
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Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?
i nearly expressed my individual freedom yesterday afternoon when an asian parent talked on his phone for the whole minutes silence at my lads under 12's football match. netherton colts, your parent behaved disgracefully!
i think because he was asian no one had the balls to tell him to shut the fuck up incase of the argument that would follow.
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Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?
i nearly expressed my individual freedom yesterday afternoon when an asian parent talked on his phone for the whole minutes silence at my lads under 12's football match. netherton colts, your parent behaved disgracefully!
i think because he was asian no one had the balls to tell him to shut the fuck up incase of the argument that would follow.
Perhaps he was just an ignorant prick? I don't see what being Asian has to do with it.
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Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?
i nearly expressed my individual freedom yesterday afternoon when an asian parent talked on his phone for the whole minutes silence at my lads under 12's football match. netherton colts, your parent behaved disgracefully!
i think because he was asian no one had the balls to tell him to shut the fuck up incase of the argument that would follow.
Perhaps he was just an ignorant prick? I don't see what being Asian has to do with it.
Exactly, I saw a couple of white people on their phones during the silence at the service in Harborne.
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Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?
i nearly expressed my individual freedom yesterday afternoon when an asian parent talked on his phone for the whole minutes silence at my lads under 12's football match. netherton colts, your parent behaved disgracefully!
i think because he was asian no one had the balls to tell him to shut the fuck up incase of the argument that would follow.
Perhaps he was just an ignorant prick? I don't see what being Asian has to do with it.
he may have done it out of his belief against british forces or he may have done it just because he was an ignorant prick. i dont know the answer, just nobody,myself included, wanted to confront him. i suppose a little out of fear of what one may be perceived as. do i make any sense?
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Similar happened at our local rememberance service. 3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.
McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today. I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.
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Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?
Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?
i nearly expressed my individual freedom yesterday afternoon when an asian parent talked on his phone for the whole minutes silence at my lads under 12's football match. netherton colts, your parent behaved disgracefully!
i think because he was asian no one had the balls to tell him to shut the fuck up incase of the argument that would follow.
Perhaps he was just an ignorant prick? I don't see what being Asian has to do with it.
Exactly, I saw a couple of white people on their phones during the silence at the service in Harborne.
I was in the Bull Ring at 11:00 yesterday. I was amazed by the number of people that carried on milling around during the minutes silence that was announced over the tannoy.
Their choice I guess.
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Similar happened at our local rememberance service. 3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.
McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today. I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.
McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?
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Similar happened at our local rememberance service. 3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.
McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today. I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.
McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?
He is actually from an estate in Derry, Creggan, that lost something like five or six people on Bloody Sunday. I don't think MON wears a poppy either.
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He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday
Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.
Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.
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He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday
Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.
Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.
I wasn't making a judgement on his action. Sure 200,000 Irishmen (half of whom were nationalist) fought for Britain in WW1. The Great War s a huge part of his and my history.
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Similar happened at our local rememberance service. 3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.
McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today. I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.
McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?
Perhaps it was, only he knows, lucky for him he can make that choice.
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He comes from Derry so it's hardly surprising his attitude to the British Army is a little different from the rest of us.
Also no one should be press ganged into wearing a poppy if you choose not to.
I understand exactly why he did it. I also said he was free to choose whether or not to do it.
I'm not sure whether Remembrance Sunday is about the British Army or whether it's about spending 2 minutes each year remembering the ordinary blokes who have been killed in wars?
Isn't it just an excuse for people to try to outdo each other on Facebook with pictures of poppies and "lest we forget" type quotes?
And don't forget the "I wear a poppy and I don't give a shit if you're offended" quotes. Not that I've ever met anyone who's been offended by a Remembrance Poppy.
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There's people making money out of EDL types selling poppy badges with 'Try burning this' under the poppy, I find that more offensive than choosing not to wear a poppy.
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Similar happened at our local rememberance service. 3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.
McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today. I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.
McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?
He is actually from an estate in Derry, Creggan, that lost something like five or six people on Bloody Sunday. I don't think MON wears a poppy either.
But they are happy enough to earn their fortunes in this country!
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There's people making money out of EDL types selling poppy badges with 'Try burning this' under the poppy, I find that more offensive than choosing not to wear a poppy.
Hopefully the British Legion have the poppy trade marked or what ever and can put a stop to the scum doing this sort of thing, it's bad enough that they hijack our national flag for their racist ends.
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He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday
Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.
Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.
I wasn't making a judgement on his action. Sure 200,000 Irishmen (half of whom were nationalist) fought for Britain in WW1. The Great War s a huge part of his and my history.
It is and its also a shameful part due to the fact that our leaders took us into a senseless war and one in which 16 million people died. I'm all for remembering and commemorating the dead but I don't like the way it has become celebrated by some. This was outright slaughter without purpose, which is why I wouldn't wear a poppy (although i understand why some do).
This is a very good statement on the matter: http://dancooperulu.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/why-i-declined-an-invitation-to-lay-a-wreath-at-the-uols-rememberance-service/
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Similar happened at our local rememberance service. 3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.
McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today. I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.
McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?
He is actually from an estate in Derry, Creggan, that lost something like five or six people on Bloody Sunday. I don't think MON wears a poppy either.
But they are happy enough to earn their fortunes in this country!
That's not a relevant point though is it?
My wife refuses to wear one at the request of her long gone Grandfather a WW1 veteran who got zero help from the RBL when he most needed it.
It's about choice, not what Poppy fascists insist we should do.
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He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday
Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.
Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.
I wasn't making a judgement on his action. Sure 200,000 Irishmen (half of whom were nationalist) fought for Britain in WW1. The Great War s a huge part of his and my history.
It is and its also a shameful part due to the fact that our leaders took us into a senseless war and one in which 16 million people died. I'm all for remembering and commemorating the dead but I don't like the way it has become celebrated by some. This was outright slaughter without purpose, which is why I wouldn't wear a poppy (although i understand why some do).
This is a very good statement on the matter: http://dancooperulu.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/why-i-declined-an-invitation-to-lay-a-wreath-at-the-uols-rememberance-service/
I'd say that was a very very poor statement on the matter, allowing his own personal agenda to influence him when he represents 120,000 students.
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Isn't Derry Creggan that bloke who is being tried for murdering two policewomen and related gangland shootings in Manchester?
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He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday
Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.
Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.
I wasn't making a judgement on his action. Sure 200,000 Irishmen (half of whom were nationalist) fought for Britain in WW1. The Great War s a huge part of his and my history.
It is and its also a shameful part due to the fact that our leaders took us into a senseless war and one in which 16 million people died. I'm all for remembering and commemorating the dead but I don't like the way it has become celebrated by some. This was outright slaughter without purpose, which is why I wouldn't wear a poppy (although i understand why some do).
This is a very good statement on the matter: http://dancooperulu.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/why-i-declined-an-invitation-to-lay-a-wreath-at-the-uols-rememberance-service/
I'd say that was a very very poor statement on the matter, allowing his own personal agenda to influence him when he represents 120,000 students.
He was elected, he's taken a principled stand and explained why he did it. It's called democracy
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Democracy, the very thing all those people died defending, how ironic.
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Why is it ironic?
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And I'd have an issue with the notion that protecting democracy was at the forefront of the thinking behind Britain getting involved in WWI. I'm certainly no expert, but protecting their interests was surely as big a motivation.
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And Britain wasn't a democracy.
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And I'd have an issue with the notion that protecting democracy was at the forefront of the thinking behind Britain getting involved in WWI. I'm certainly no expert, but protecting their interests was surely as big a motivation.
Exactly. Which is why the dead should be remembered and respected but the war never celebrated. The number slaughtered equaled 10 holocausts.
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That somehow his act was democratic, that somehow his refusal to lay a wreath at the cenotaph represented the views of the 120,000 multi faith, multi-cultural students he supposedly represents and was in no way just him pushing his own personal political view.
Which if you read carefully his statement you'll see it is just his personal view. Not once does he state he is representing the Unions of the University or that he has sought their view. He was not invited to do this personally, he was invited as he holds the office of Vice President of the University of London.
Ironic in that he could have remembered the millions without a voice.
Ironic in that he could have remembered those millions had little or no choice.
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And I'd have an issue with the notion that protecting democracy was at the forefront of the thinking behind Britain getting involved in WWI. I'm certainly no expert, but protecting their interests was surely as big a motivation.
Wilson regarded neither Fance or Britain as democracies and expressed desire for national-self determination was only applied on former Austrian and German possessions and was quite simply ignored somewhere closer to home! However, you can't hold millions of conscripts/volunteers to account for their governments in WW1 it was a different era to WW2. Democracy in 1914 barely resembled democracy of 1920.
I have never worn a poppy even though it is becoming more common in Southern Ireland and I might do next year. I would definitely have worn the poppy if I was a Premier League player, I see the bigger picture and I feel some tend to drag up all sorts of atrocities (what nation doesn't have skeletons in the closet?) to justify having a go.
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So they can vote against him next time. He's written an long article explaining why he did this and organised a meeting for students to discuss this issue. You may not like his opinion but how is this at all anti-democratic
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Quite simply that he has abused his position as VP of the Union, like I said he was invited because of the office he holds, he was elected to represent 120,000 students, he failed & now invites students to a meeting so he can explain why he didn't represent them.
He's young, we all make mistakes, hopefully he'll learn from it.
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If everybody just stuck to the idea that if you want to wear a poppy do, and if you don't then that's fine and you don't have to worry about saying why, then there'd be no problem.
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If everybody just stuck to the idea that if you want to wear a poppy do, and if you don't then that's fine and you don't have to worry about saying why, then there'd be no problem.
Nice in theory. Never going to happen though.
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Quite simply that he has abused his position as VP of the Union, like I said he was invited because of the office he holds, he was elected to represent 120,000 students, he failed & now invites students to a meeting so he can explain why he didn't represent them.
He's young, we all make mistakes, hopefully he'll learn from it.
And maybe over the years you'll grow to understand that democracy is about people holding different opinions. Like hopefully you've realised now that WW1 was nothing to do with democracy and that Britain wasn't even a democracy when the war took place.
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If everybody just stuck to the idea that if you want to wear a poppy do, and if you don't then that's fine and you don't have to worry about saying why, then there'd be no problem.
Quite!
It's all about perspective as those that wear the poppy do so out of respect, so feel not wearing one is disrespectful. When in fact there are numerous reasons for not wearing one, many mentioned on here, and very few of them have anything to do with trying to be disrespectful.
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Quite simply that he has abused his position as VP of the Union, like I said he was invited because of the office he holds, he was elected to represent 120,000 students, he failed & now invites students to a meeting so he can explain why he didn't represent them.
He's young, we all make mistakes, hopefully he'll learn from it.
And maybe over the years you'll grow to understand that democracy is about people holding different opinions. Like hopefully you've realised now that WW1 was nothing to do with democracy and that Britain wasn't even a democracy when the war took place.
I think that's John's point; he acted on behalf of himself, and not the students he represents. How very democratic of him.
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And I'd have an issue with the notion that protecting democracy was at the forefront of the thinking behind Britain getting involved in WWI. I'm certainly no expert, but protecting their interests was surely as big a motivation.
Wilson regarded neither Fance or Britain as democracies and expressed desire for national-self determination was only applied on former Austrian and German possessions and was quite simply ignored somewhere closer to home! However, you can't hold millions of conscripts/volunteers to account for their governments in WW1 it was a different era to WW2. Democracy in 1914 barely resembled democracy of 1920.
I have never worn a poppy even though it is becoming more common in Southern Ireland and I might do next year. I would definitely have worn the poppy if I was a Premier League player, I see the bigger picture and I feel some tend to drag up all sorts of atrocities (what nation doesn't have skeletons in the closet?) to justify having a go.
My Grandfather was in the Royal Munster Fusiliers and was at the 2nd battle of Ypres in 1917.
I am not offended by people who don't want to wear a poppy. I always contribute to the collections over here and some years I wear a poppy and some years I don't though I always observe the 2 mins silence to remember victims of all wars regardless of nationality.
WW1 had nothing to do with democracy rather prevention of Germany dominating Europe as per previous wars where Britain did not want a single dominant power on its' doorstep. This happened before with wars against France, Spain and Holland in the previous 400 years. The disorderly collapse of 3 empires (Austro-Hungarian, Russian and Ottoman) and the creation of artificial states lead to World War II and a lot of the crap in the Middle East today.
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Quite simply that he has abused his position as VP of the Union, like I said he was invited because of the office he holds, he was elected to represent 120,000 students, he failed & now invites students to a meeting so he can explain why he didn't represent them.
He's young, we all make mistakes, hopefully he'll learn from it.
And maybe over the years you'll grow to understand that democracy is about people holding different opinions. Like hopefully you've realised now that WW1 was nothing to do with democracy and that Britain wasn't even a democracy when the war took place.
My comment regarding democracy wasn't specifically related to WW1, just like remembrance. Perhaps if Daniel Cooper knew that he perhaps would have laid a wreath to honour a recent former graduate of UCL Lt Drummond - Baxter, but no.
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Quite simply that he has abused his position as VP of the Union, like I said he was invited because of the office he holds, he was elected to represent 120,000 students, he failed & now invites students to a meeting so he can explain why he didn't represent them.
He's young, we all make mistakes, hopefully he'll learn from it.
And maybe over the years you'll grow to understand that democracy is about people holding different opinions. Like hopefully you've realised now that WW1 was nothing to do with democracy and that Britain wasn't even a democracy when the war took place.
My comment regarding democracy wasn't specifically related to WW1, just like remembrance. Perhaps if Daniel Cooper knew that he perhaps would have laid a wreath to honour a recent former graduate of UCL Lt Drummond - Baxter, but no.
So when you wrote 'Democracy, the very thing all those people died defending, how ironic' you were not tallking about the millions that died in WW1, which is supposed to be what Remembrance Sunday is all about. mmm
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Quite simply that he has abused his position as VP of the Union, like I said he was invited because of the office he holds, he was elected to represent 120,000 students, he failed & now invites students to a meeting so he can explain why he didn't represent them.
He's young, we all make mistakes, hopefully he'll learn from it.
And maybe over the years you'll grow to understand that democracy is about people holding different opinions. Like hopefully you've realised now that WW1 was nothing to do with democracy and that Britain wasn't even a democracy when the war took place.
My comment regarding democracy wasn't specifically related to WW1, just like remembrance. Perhaps if Daniel Cooper knew that he perhaps would have laid a wreath to honour a recent former graduate of UCL Lt Drummond - Baxter, but no.
So when you wrote 'Democracy, the very thing all those people died defending, how ironic' you were not tallking about the millions that died in WW1, which is supposed to be what Remembrance Sunday is all about. mmm
Remembrance is not just about WW1, Remembrance Sunday is held "to commemorate the contribution of British and Commonwealth military and civilian servicemen and women in the two World Wars and later conflicts"
Maybe you are thinking of Armistice Day? Which was always observed on 11 November and marked the end of WW1, Remembrance Sunday was always the closest Sunday to 11th November. Since 1995 the 2 have merged so to speak to become Remembrance Sunday following the 50th anniversary of the end of WW2.
If you honestly didn't know that then sorry for arguing such a strong point!
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of course it is, held on the anniversary of the end of the First World War, so its kinda important. Anyway have a nice day and UTV
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Of course it's what? Do you really want to continue telling me Remembrance Sunday is only about WW1?
Do go on.
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calm down love. I understand what Remembrance Day is about, my point being that it is closely related to WW1. You said that we remember all those that fought for democracy, so I assume on Remembrance Day you choose not to remember those who died in WW1. Now I tried to end this pleasantly with a gesture of common affection for AVFC, you chose to decline my hand of friendship but I won't hold it against you.
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I dont think the ethics of why we fought in each war should be up for debate. Rememberance is about the soldiers that fought for their country because they believed in protecting their loved ones and their country. What the powers that be decide is worth fighting for was not for them to debate in many cases, with drafting etc, they fought regardlessly, and in fact sometimes despite their own beliefs. Thats what I remember, people who put their lives on the line for us. I dont wear a poppy to please anyone, or say I agree with the decisions. I stood on a Normandy beach a few years ago, it was pissing down and freezing, and sent a shiver down my spine, thinking what it would have been like under fire. My great granddad landed there, thrust into a foreign country, in the middle of friends and comrades who were cut down by mortars and machine guns. 18 years old, hardly even had a life then, at that age I hadnt been lucky enough to be married, get a degree, travel around a lot of the world, and best of all be blessed with a daughter. I feel incredibly lucky, not just that the sacrifice soldiers made meant that all of this was possible, but that I could enjoy all of these things without having to make such a decision, or the decision taken out of my own hands.
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Well that's a change of tune, from
So when you wrote 'Democracy, the very thing all those people died defending, how ironic' you were not tallking about the millions that died in WW1, which is supposed to be what Remembrance Sunday is all about. mmm
To
I understand what Remembrance Day is about
In 2 posts.
Anyway, your hand of friendship is appreciated & taken, we may continue to disagree with each other however but in a gentlemanly & non threatening inclusive way.
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How did we get onto this? My apologies if I confused things I wrote my post in a hurry before lunch and respect all British army who fought in WW1 and as said would wear a poppy if I lived in Britain and as it is becoming more common here wouldn't rule it out one day.
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I don't (nor do I believe anybody should) consider the poppy to be a political symbol of any particular nation or organisation but rather one that people use to show respect to others who have lost their lives in what is basically a tragedy.
If you don't wish to wear one, that's fine, it isn't mandatory. I buy them but rarely wear one. But if you're trying to make some sort of statement by not wearing one then, sorry, but I think you're a bit of an ignorant twat. Like McClean.
Whatever term you choose to apply to it. Our way of life has been paid for with the blood of millions, some just kids, and from all over the world in all walks of life: British, Irish, Canadian, American, Indian, Australian, Kiwis, Carribean, French, German, Polish, Israeli... it doesn't matter.
It's not the insignia of the Parachute regiment, its a flower. Even if there are some you consider it represents that you would rather not respect, if you cannot think of anybody who does deserve to be remembered and honoured then I just can't accept that.
Just my opinion. And sorry, but it's a bit of a sore point for me too.
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McLean's gesture is somewhat pointless, but nothing will top this for a while:
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_uMIL-uhC8qo/TNhSm5ianzI/AAAAAAAAAtM/tVzE1u7QU6U/s1600/celticbannerpoppy2.jpg)
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Celtic fans in melodrama shocker. I like the way they try and make it all about them.
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How ironic that this thread has turned into a debate about how a simple act of recognition and support has become politicised and used to score cheap points.
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I dont wear a poppy because i dont like the one upnes of it all know. I see people wearing crochet ones, and decorated ones. also if you buy one and loose it you have to get another one. So i make a sizeable donation, and just carry one of my grandads war medals about me for when one ignoramous says where your poppy, "Don't need to wear one pal" and wave it at them. Happened 3 times this year
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Regarding the original intent of this thread. I think it is long past time to stop the 19 minutes applause. The no respect song makes me cringe and is not worthy of Aston Villa.
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Just to make it clear, I wasn't referring to anyone on here when I talked about pointscoring.
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Is the 19th minute thing still a club sponsored initiative, or does it just happen spontaneously amongst the crowd? Might be an idea for them to come up with a statement that gently backs away from it, although I suspect it is too late to get the "No Respect" song back in its Pandora's Box.
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The idea is a fine one, and I think it should be kept on.
The people spoiling it are the pricks with their No Respect bullshit. How embarassing.
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Is the 19th minute thing still a club sponsored initiative, or does it just happen spontaneously amongst the crowd? Might be an idea for them to come up with a statement that gently backs away from it, although I suspect it is too late to get the "No Respect" song back in its Pandora's Box.
Seems to be that now it's a case of when the fans start applauding then the video screens go to the support Stan message rather than it appears the second we hit the 19th minute like it did before. I could be wrong though.
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Is the 19th minute thing still a club sponsored initiative, or does it just happen spontaneously amongst the crowd? Might be an idea for them to come up with a statement that gently backs away from it, although I suspect it is too late to get the "No Respect" song back in its Pandora's Box.
Yes it's a club sponsored thing. A picture of Petrov appears on the big screens with "19" and the applause starts.
I'd like to see an end to it. It's too much.
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Regarding the original intent of this thread. I think it is long past time to stop the 19 minutes applause. The no respect song makes me cringe and is not worthy of Aston Villa.
I think the only ways I can see it ending are, if it peters out naturally. The return to action of stan the man. Or some sort of announcement involving Stiliyan himself, saying he's grateful of all the support but now feels its overly flattering or something??
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I don't (nor do I believe anybody should) consider the poppy to be a political symbol of any particular nation or organisation but rather one that people use to show respect to others who have lost their lives in what is basically a tragedy.
If you don't wish to wear one, that's fine, it isn't mandatory. I buy them but rarely wear one. But if you're trying to make some sort of statement by not wearing one then, sorry, but I think you're a bit of an ignorant twat. Like McClean.
Whatever term you choose to apply to it. Our way of life has been paid for with the blood of millions, some just kids, and from all over the world in all walks of life: British, Irish, Canadian, American, Indian, Australian, Kiwis, Carribean, French, German, Polish, Israeli... it doesn't matter.
It's not the insignia of the Parachute regiment, its a flower. Even if there are some you consider it represents that you would rather not respect, if you cannot think of anybody who does deserve to be remembered and honoured then I just can't accept that.
Just my opinion. And sorry, but it's a bit of a sore point for me too.
I really can't see how Mclean is being an ignorant twat, he obviously doesn't feel comfortable wearing a poppy but because of his chosen profession he is thrust into the spotlight, if he was a truck driver it wouldn't matter so why does it now?
You allude to people not wearing a poppy to make a statement is this what Mclean has done? As far as I can see he chose not to wear one hasn't not informed anyone why so surely cant be making a statement.
On a thread titled No respect you are not showing any to Mcleans freedom of choice.
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Yep, as far as I know McLean declined to wear one, but that was it and it's others talking about it, including ourselves, that are extrapolating the 'why' as he's made no public statement.
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I give money but choose not to wear a poppy.
In recent years it seems that every person appearing on tv seems obliged to wear a poppy so it probably shocks some when they see a person on the box not wearing one. It really shouldn't be an issue that McLean has decided not to wear a poppy, it is his personal choice. Given where he comes from ( friends from Derry have told me what the Creggan used to be like) I can understand why he may not be too keen to wear one.
My father and other members of our Irish family had to serve in the British army - if you lived here for more than two years in the 50s you did national service. In later years they all happily wore poppies as a mark of respect for fallen comrades in past conflicts. They saw not as a mark of respect for the dead, not as a justification for war.
On a related note David Cameron was in China three years ago at this time of year. He wore his poppy on the first day of his visit and was told in a forthright manner that the poppy was seen as a colonial symbol of oppression in China ( going back to the opium wars when we introduced the Chinese to cheap opium from India I think). He was forced to take it off to avoid offending his hosts. It certainly shows that a symbol can be interpreted differently.
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I give money but choose not to wear a poppy.
In recent years it seems that every person appearing on tv seems obliged to wear a poppy so it probably shocks some when they see a person on the box not wearing one. It really shouldn't be an issue that McLean has decided not to wear a poppy, it is his personal choice. Given where he comes from ( friends from Derry have told me what the Creggan used to be like) I can understand why he may not be too keen to wear one.
That's a big thing, and easily underestimated. I would imagine all this "these people fought for their freedom" arguments would sound pretty hallow to a community who were essentially second-class citizens up until relatively recently.
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Did McLean observe the minutes silence at Goodison on Saturday?
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Did McLean observe the minutes silence at Goodison on Saturday?
I haven't seen anyone saying he didn't.
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Just makes me even more confused about his motives
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The poppy isnt a symbol of the British army, therefore why should anybody feel uncomfortable wearing one?
And Mons XI, the truck driver analogy doesn't wash. Sunderland, like all football clubs, had a kit with a poppy on it, McClean chose not to wear his, thus making a statement. He doesn't have to explain why, I can guess. And he's being an ignorant twat because of it, just like those Celtic idiots, because it has no political significance and if one is attributed it is in ignorance.
What other reason could it have been. Is he allergic to synthetic sewn on poppies?
It's probably best I drop this now because I dont like where it might lead. I've said all I have to say.
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The idea is a fine one, and I think it should be kept on.
The people spoiling it are the pricks with their No Respect bullshit. How embarassing.
My thoughts too.
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The poppy isnt a symbol of the British army, therefore why should anybody feel uncomfortable wearing one?
And Mons XI, the truck driver analogy doesn't wash. Sunderland, like all football clubs, had a kit with a poppy on it, McClean chose not to wear his, thus making a statement. He doesn't have to explain why, I can guess. And he's being an ignorant twat because of it, just like those Celtic idiots, because it has no political significance and if one is attributed it is in ignorance.
What other reason could it have been. Is he allergic to synthetic sewn on poppies?
It's probably best I drop this now because I dont like where it might lead. I've said all I have to say.
Sorry Maz (and I'd certainly hope a debate could be had on this without it leading to ill feeling between posters), while your intentions and motives are no doubt sincere, it is a bit naive to think that the poppy isn't a political symbol. It's absolutely loaded with symbolism, and it certainly is considered to be a symbol of the british army, especially in the north.
Just for the record, I've no links to the north, I absolutely despise sinn fein, understand and respect the poppy as a commemorative symbol for the fallen (who should be remembered), but it's got a lot baggage, more than that you would like, unfortunately.
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The poppy isnt a symbol of the British army, therefore why should anybody feel uncomfortable wearing one?
And Mons XI, the truck driver analogy doesn't wash. Sunderland, like all football clubs, had a kit with a poppy on it, McClean chose not to wear his, thus making a statement. He doesn't have to explain why, I can guess. And he's being an ignorant twat because of it, just like those Celtic idiots, because it has no political significance and if one is attributed it is in ignorance.
What other reason could it have been. Is he allergic to synthetic sewn on poppies?
It's probably best I drop this now because I dont like where it might lead. I've said all I have to say.
As has been explained to you, McLean come from a part of the world where the British Army have killed members of his own community. Perhaps he's showing a bit of respect to his own dead when he refuses to wear a poppy? That shouldn't make him an "ignorant twat".
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If the poppy isn't the symbol of wars as people have said, then I guess no one should be averse to wearing an Easter Lily if asked?
I just don't wear a poppy, mainly because I haven't been bothered to over the years. No underlying hatred of anything, just, I haven't worn one.
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The poppy isnt a symbol of the British army, therefore why should anybody feel uncomfortable wearing one?
And Mons XI, the truck driver analogy doesn't wash. Sunderland, like all football clubs, had a kit with a poppy on it, McClean chose not to wear his, thus making a statement. He doesn't have to explain why, I can guess. And he's being an ignorant twat because of it, just like those Celtic idiots, because it has no political significance and if one is attributed it is in ignorance.
What other reason could it have been. Is he allergic to synthetic sewn on poppies?
It's probably best I drop this now because I dont like where it might lead. I've said all I have to say.
Sorry Maz (and I'd certainly hope a debate could be had on this without it leading to ill feeling between posters), while your intentions and motives are no doubt sincere, it is a bit naive to think that the poppy isn't a political symbol. It's absolutely loaded with symbolism, and it certainly is considered to be a symbol of the british army, especially in the north.
Just for the record, I've no links to the north, I absolutely despise sinn fein, understand and respect the poppy as a commemorative symbol for the fallen (who should be remembered), but it's got a lot baggage more than that you would like, unfortunately.
Very well put, Gar, and my sentiments also.
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The poppy isnt a symbol of the British army, therefore why should anybody feel uncomfortable wearing one?
And Mons XI, the truck driver analogy doesn't wash. Sunderland, like all football clubs, had a kit with a poppy on it, McClean chose not to wear his, thus making a statement. He doesn't have to explain why, I can guess. And he's being an ignorant twat because of it, just like those Celtic idiots, because it has no political significance and if one is attributed it is in ignorance.
What other reason could it have been. Is he allergic to synthetic sewn on poppies?
It's probably best I drop this now because I dont like where it might lead. I've said all I have to say.
I think if you look at the MO of the British Legion:
The Royal British Legion is the UK's leading Armed Forces charity.
We provide practical, emotional and financial support to all members of the British Armed Forces past and present, and their families.
We actively campaign to improve their lives and safeguard the Military Covenant between the nation and its Armed Forces.
You can surely see why a lad who grew up in a city that the armed forces that this charity supports murdered 14 people might feel uneasy wearing one of their poppies?
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If the poppy isn't the symbol of wars as people have said, then I guess no one should be averse to wearing an Easter Lily if asked?
I just don't wear a poppy, mainly because I haven't been bothered to over the years. No underlying hatred of anything, just, I haven't worn one.
OK, so the Easter Lilly is slightly different in that only Sinn Féin supporters in Ireland wear it. Not even the mainstream Irish establishment wear it and as far as I know it isn't allowed in the Irish parliament.
But the point still stands. It is a commemorative Lilly (originally just intended to mark the deaths of the 1916-21 rebels). Yet I would understand somebody from Birmingham seeing the Lilly as a deeply political emblem and would not consider them 'ignorant twats' for refusing to wear one if asked.
Excuse any mistakes, I am at work and trying to post on the QT!
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The poppy isnt a symbol of the British army, therefore why should anybody feel uncomfortable wearing one?
And Mons XI, the truck driver analogy doesn't wash. Sunderland, like all football clubs, had a kit with a poppy on it, McClean chose not to wear his, thus making a statement. He doesn't have to explain why, I can guess. And he's being an ignorant twat because of it, just like those Celtic idiots, because it has no political significance and if one is attributed it is in ignorance.
What other reason could it have been. Is he allergic to synthetic sewn on poppies?
It's probably best I drop this now because I dont like where it might lead. I've said all I have to say.
Who else do the RBL give their support to, other than people who have served in the British armed forces?
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I don't think MON wears a poppy either.
He was wearing one in his press conference after the game.
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
Oh blimey, here we go....
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Lights fuse to incendiary device.....oops.
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
Ok then.
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One of the things that annoys me about Britain is that as soon as we do something more than a couple of times, it becomes a tradition and woe betide you if you break it.
As regards poppies, I wear one and am proud to, but I don't look down on those that don't. They have their own reasons, even if they're as simple as indolence. Being part of a free society is the right to say no to the majority.
Getting back to the topic of the 19th minute, I'm a bit embarrassed by it now. I like the sentiment, but I feel it makes us look as if we're clinging to an excuse for our indifferent form somehow. Almost like 'we've lost our talisman, look how brave we are anyway'. I wouldn't have any objection to letting it wind down.
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
What does that have to do with Mclean not wearing a poppy? Or is it the case that really there's nothing disrespectful about a young lad quietly without fuss exercising his right not to wear a poppy?
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
So He didn't wear one in case he was perceived hypocritical.
Glad we cleared this one up.
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I wear a poppy and I always have my Vila badge and poppy on my one coat. I also give a thought to everyone who lost their lives in conflicts, not just British. By that I mean all the other average Joe's sent to war by their countries and never went back to their families.
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you do all realise what mcclean has done with his poppyless Sunderland shirt?
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auctioned it for charity.
so?
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you do all realise what mcclean has done with his poppyless Sunderland shirt?
Go on then, tell us.
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makes it all seem a bit childish on here then Chico does it not?
another charity has got money - no losers
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makes it all seem a bit childish on here then Chico does it not?
Mate, this place is childish at the best of times, and I'm as bad as all the rest for the Pathetic Shark-style spats we have....
Although I think that it's more childish to go out of your way to demand that your football shirt dosent include a small symbol of remembrance for for the victims of war from your host country and your home country?
Anyway, that's it for me on this thread. I'll give it 5 pages before it descends into a daft Rangers/Celtic style standoff
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you do all realise what mcclean has done with his poppyless Sunderland shirt?
The bastard is auctioning his shirt to raise money for a bloody children's cancer hospital.
***spit***
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Sorry to point something out in the intrest of balance, if that annoys the republican lovers so be it. And for the record McLean is not some little innocent, he has a lot of form for being a prick, not least to his own ROI teammates.
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
What does that have to do with Mclean not wearing a poppy? Or is it the case that really there's nothing disrespectful about a young lad quietly without fuss exercising his right not to wear a poppy?
It was in reply to some of the other post's pointing out the hurt done to McLean'c community, not that he would know, he wasn't born.
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Yes, because events can only matter to someone if they were actually born when they happened.
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Sorry to point something out in the intrest of balance, if that annoys the republican lovers so be it. And for the record McLean is not some little innocent, he has a lot of form for being a prick, not least to his own ROI teammates.
oh he has form for being a prick with his tweets
but because he dosent wear a poppy is not a reason for him being a prick - the wearing of the poppy in the north is totally different to to the wearing of the poppy in england or scotland or wales. it is seen as sectarian/bigotted not to wear/wear one, its an argument that could go on for days and days and just keep going round in cirlces
James Mcclean didnt wear a poppy on his shirt - the unionist people here in the north kicked up a stink, James auctioned his top off for a childrens cancer charity - the publicity by the unionists here probably made that top worth more money that it would evr have got
as Chico says it looks like this thread will turn into a Celtic/rangers type thread soon
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He is part of a community that represents the English Premier League, that is the competition he plys his trade to earn his wages, he is paid in pounds stirling and then he can transfer it after he has paid his taxes to wherever he likes, he is not an individual but a part of a 11 members of a team that plays again in the English Premier League.
I am an ex serving sailor who served in the Falklands and missed seeing us win the European cup because of that, born of Irish Catholic parents in Birmingham, who lived in the City and I am very proud of my mixed heritage, but I am now working in a Muslim Country in the Middle East and have to respect the cultural and historical differences of where I am living and make my living. The 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour we will remember those that have fallen in the UK and elsewhere to allow the likes of Mc or whatever his name is, totally irrelevant to express such a thought, maybe if the Germans or the Russians had gone on to their expected outcomes, he may not find himself allowed to express that opinion, just a thought.
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He is part of a community that represents the English Premier League, that is the competition he plys his trade to earn his wages, he is paid in pounds stirling and then he can transfer it after he has paid his taxes to wherever he likes, he is not an individual but a part of a 11 members of a team that plays again in the English Premier League.
I am an ex serving sailor who served in the Falklands and missed seeing us win the European cup because of that, born of Irish Catholic parents in Birmingham, who lived in the City and I am very proud of my mixed heritage, but I am now working in a Muslim Country in the Middle East and have to respect the cultural and historical differences of where I am living and make my living. The 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour we will remember those that have fallen in the UK and elsewhere to allow the likes of Mc or whatever his name is, totally irrelevant to express such a thought, maybe if the Germans or the Russians had gone on to their expected outcomes, he may not find himself allowed to express that opinion, just a thought.
That's exactly the sort of pish routinely posted on Facebook that really grinds my gears.
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
What does that have to do with Mclean not wearing a poppy? Or is it the case that really there's nothing disrespectful about a young lad quietly without fuss exercising his right not to wear a poppy?
It was in reply to some of the other post's pointing out the hurt done to McLean'c community, not that he would know, he wasn't born.
Take a little read of what your posting before posting because these your posts on this topic are bordering on idiotic. We are not debating the actions of both sides in the conflict in the north or Ireland we are discussing a lad born and raised in Derry and him not playing on Saturday in a shirt with a poppy on it.
Does H&V have "republican lovers"? Or just people with differing opinions?
Be sad if this thread goes the way of the usual celtic/rangers threads because on the whole their are some interesting posts on both sides.
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Freedom comes at a price and respect for that should cost little including at times your pride
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Rissbert you are obviously a person who has fought for their country, lost members of their family and friends who have fought for their country, or one of those who spouts out of his arse because they believe in the freedom of speech, but would have no idea how that freedom is gained and more importantly sustained, but likes to ban people when they say something they disagree with, and also maybe because it is spouted on Facebook obviously makes it incorrect, well when H&V has as many followers as Facebook may be your opinion will be worth a shit .
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Make sure you keep it civil please folks.
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He is part of a community that represents the English Premier League, that is the competition he plys his trade to earn his wages, he is paid in pounds stirling and then he can transfer it after he has paid his taxes to wherever he likes, he is not an individual but a part of a 11 members of a team that plays again in the English Premier League.
I am an ex serving sailor who served in the Falklands and missed seeing us win the European cup because of that, born of Irish Catholic parents in Birmingham, who lived in the City and I am very proud of my mixed heritage, but I am now working in a Muslim Country in the Middle East and have to respect the cultural and historical differences of where I am living and make my living. The 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour we will remember those that have fallen in the UK and elsewhere to allow the likes of Mc or whatever his name is, totally irrelevant to express such a thought, maybe if the Germans or the Russians had gone on to their expected outcomes, he may not find himself allowed to express that opinion, just a thought.
That's exactly the sort of pish routinely posted on Facebook that really grinds my gears.
why havent you 'friended' me yet then ?
i post some right old shit on there (and on here)
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Yes, because events can only matter to someone if they were actually born when they happened.
Like is said he wasn't even born.
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Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
What does that have to do with Mclean not wearing a poppy? Or is it the case that really there's nothing disrespectful about a young lad quietly without fuss exercising his right not to wear a poppy?
It was in reply to some of the other post's pointing out the hurt done to McLean'c community, not that he would know, he wasn't born.
Take a little read of what your posting before posting because these your posts on this topic are bordering on idiotic. We are not debating the actions of both sides in the conflict in the north or Ireland we are discussing a lad born and raised in Derry and him not playing on Saturday in a shirt with a poppy on it.
Does H&V have "republican lovers"? Or just people with differing opinions?
Be sad if this thread goes the way of the usual celtic/rangers threads because on the whole their are some interesting posts on both sides.
Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.
What does that have to do with Mclean not wearing a poppy? Or is it the case that really there's nothing disrespectful about a young lad quietly without fuss exercising his right not to wear a poppy?
It was in reply to some of the other post's pointing out the hurt done to McLean'c community, not that he would know, he wasn't born.
Take a little read of what your posting before posting because these your posts on this topic are bordering on idiotic. We are not debating the actions of both sides in the conflict in the north or Ireland we are discussing a lad born and raised in Derry and him not playing on Saturday in a shirt with a poppy on it.
Does H&V have "republican lovers"? Or just people with differing opinions?
Be sad if this thread goes the way of the usual celtic/rangers threads because on the whole their are some interesting posts on both sides.
Take a fucking read of your own post's before hitting the button.
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Please keep it civil.
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He is part of a community that represents the English Premier League, that is the competition he plys his trade to earn his wages, he is paid in pounds stirling and then he can transfer it after he has paid his taxes to wherever he likes, he is not an individual but a part of a 11 members of a team that plays again in the English Premier League.
I am an ex serving sailor who served in the Falklands and missed seeing us win the European cup because of that, born of Irish Catholic parents in Birmingham, who lived in the City and I am very proud of my mixed heritage, but I am now working in a Muslim Country in the Middle East and have to respect the cultural and historical differences of where I am living and make my living. The 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour we will remember those that have fallen in the UK and elsewhere to allow the likes of Mc or whatever his name is, totally irrelevant to express such a thought, maybe if the Germans or the Russians had gone on to their expected outcomes, he may not find himself allowed to express that opinion, just a thought.
We should have just saluted Hitler back in the day, you know respecting local beliefs and traditions and all that.
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is this the first year that all the teams in the EPL have had to wear poppies on their shirts?
the last couple of years there has been a few teams that have never wore them.
is that right?
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Alright, let me qualify my pont in better terms than I did earlier as it appears I did so poorly. Then I'll withdraw.
I know that the poppy is used in the north in connection with the British army and so on. My mum lived there for ages and I visited often as well as other things I can't/won't go into means I'm not new to any of it. I'm fairly up to speed with "the troubles" and all that.
My point is that its wrong and no amount of illegitimate use makes that otherwise.
Its what annoys me. The misuse of this symbol of remembrance and the dilution of its symbolic meaning.
Yes, the RBL use it as its emblem but that is a charitable organisation, not the British army. Why should it have any more significance for the British than the Canadians, Americans, Sri Lankan, Australians or whoever who also uses it? Its like saying the Red Cross is British.
It was all started by a Canadian and an American for christ's sake.
And despite my better judgement, I took it out on McClean when he's not to blame. So although I claim it ignorant to use the Poppy in connection to any sectarian matters, I shouldn't have called him a twat.
So in summary, I resent that this is ever an issue.
Nobody should feel they cannot wear a poppy for any political reason because there should be no political connection to it.
It's not a symbol of the British army no more than it is Canadian or wherever else.
It has meaning to me that is nothing at all to do with Northern Ireland.
What happened in Derry disgusts me BUT it's a seperate issue and I resent it being used in connection with anything else but respect and remembrance to the millions who have given their lives (including men from all over Ireland and yes, Derry) in the line of duty.
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Alright, let me qualify my pont in better terms than I did earlier as it appears I did so poorly. Then I'll withdraw.
I know that the poppy is used in the north in connection with the British army and so on. My mum lived there for ages and I visited often as well as other things I can't/won't go into means I'm not new to any of it. I'm fairly up to speed with "the troubles" and all that.
My point is that its wrong and no amount of illegitimate use makes that otherwise.
Its what annoys me. The misuse of this symbol of remembrance and the dilution of its symbolic meaning.
Yes, the RBL use it as its emblem but that is a charitable organisation, not the British army. Why should it have any more significance for the British than the Canadians, Americans, Sri Lankan, Australians or whoever who also uses it? Its like saying the Red Cross is British.
It was all started by a Canadian and an American for christ's sake.
And despite my better judgement, I took it out on McClean when he's not to blame. So although I claim it ignorant to use the Poppy in connection to any sectarian matters, I shouldn't have called him a twat.
So in summary, I resent that this is ever an issue.
Nobody should feel they cannot wear a poppy for any political reason because there should be no political connection to it.
It's not a symbol of the British army no more than it is Canadian or wherever else.
It has meaning to me that is nothing at all to do with Northern Ireland.
What happened in Derry disgusts me BUT it's a seperate issue and I resent it being used in connection with anything else but respect and remembrance to the millions who have given their lives (including men from all over Ireland and yes, Derry) in the line of duty.
It has meaning to me that is nothing at all to do with Northern Ireland.
it does to McClean though and as i explained as well it has a totally different meaning righly or wrongly over here
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Derry ? You mean Londonderry right ? ;)
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It has meaning to me eee eeee, ah Vienna......
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Yes, because events can only matter to someone if they were actually born when they happened.
Like is said he wasn't even born.
And?
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Yes, because events can only matter to someone if they were actually born when they happened.
Shit who's gonna break this to all the major religions? ;D
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Exactly Lee B , lets let people do whatever they want to do, like Moseley's black/ brown shirts, the NF the BNP oh fuck me they can state what they want because people fought and died for that right, but lets not ever tell people of the 21st century that is a fact, they might just get PC on us. I love the Villa but some of the people who support us are arseholes. (That's not you Lee B I knew where you were coming from if that makes sense from your post )
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Are these written in invisible ink? Keep it civil, this is the last warning.
Make sure you keep it civil please folks.
Please keep it civil.
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Sorry PWS but I can be called a face book multi whatever subscriber , which by the way I am not, but cant call someone an arse hole, arse hole is a real part of the body, some people on here are writing out of it for god sake, a very handy skill if you have no fingers and hands and cant write with your feet.
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While I, as an Englishman, deeply appreciate the sacrifice made by others to protect the freedom I enjoy, I can understand why somebody from Derry may not feel the same.
They didn't get that freedom did they? In fact, it probably wouldn't have nade much difference to them whoever won the war.
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And maybe PWS there are some topics on here that should be locked when they change from Stan to other national interest subjects, no issue as can be seen with all of my post's (apart from the noses) from football related issues and respect shown to the people who volunteer to monitor this site. Not even the spelling police who turn up now and again.
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Exactly Lee B , lets let people do whatever they want to do, like Moseley's black/ brown shirts, the NF the BNP oh fuck me they can state what they want because people fought and died for that right, but lets not ever tell people of the 21st century that is a fact, they might just get PC on us. I love the Villa but some of the people who support us are arseholes. (That's not you Lee B I knew where you were coming from if that makes sense from your post )
It wasn't where I was coming from at all, but I'm not picking a fight.
Percy's pretty much summed up my thoughts on the issue above.
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We shouldn't have to keep locking threads. As adults, folks should be able to debate/argue/discuss etc a variety of topics without resorting to insults and so on. It's not just aimed at you pbavfckuwait, but every poster and is relevant to every thread.
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Sorry Percy oh yes it would have done and yes people of Derry or Londonderry have a right to show or not show their views come their particular day of remembering of all those people that have died in various conflicts, but if you are in a country of your chose and earning your living from that country and as a member of the( PFA) national organisation of that country decides to make a statement of support, you should support it, did any Muslim players refuse to wear a poppy on their shirt because of Afghanistan.
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Accepted PWS but some things at times are more important than what we consider to be the life breathe of all AVFC and should be discussed as such, but maybe not on main topics. Again just my view.
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Lee B not put well, but I did realise where you were coming from, so sorry if it appeared to be having a go at your view because it was not, as I knew what your view was, to much G&T bed time
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Sorry Percy oh yes it would have done and yes people of Derry or Londonderry have a right to show or not show their views come their particular day of remembering of all those people that have died in various conflicts, but if you are in a country of your chose and earning your living from that country and as a member of the( PFA) national organisation of that country decides to make a statement of support, you should support it, did any Muslim players refuse to wear a poppy on their shirt because of Afghanistan.
Why should you have to wear something you don't want to? I thought that's what the world wars were about, you know. Freedom of choice.
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While I, as an Englishman, deeply appreciate the sacrifice made by others to protect the freedom I enjoy, I can understand why somebody from Derry may not feel the same.
They didn't get that freedom did they? In fact, it probably wouldn't have nade much difference to them whoever won the war.
Sums up my feelings too
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Sorry PWS but I can be called a face book multi whatever subscriber , which by the way I am not, but cant call someone an arse hole, arse hole is a real part of the body, some people on here are writing out of it for god sake, a very handy skill if you have no fingers and hands and cant write with your feet.
The lobotomy went well then I take it?
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While I, as an Englishman, deeply appreciate the sacrifice made by others to protect the freedom I enjoy, I can understand why somebody from Derry may not feel the same.
They didn't get that freedom did they? In fact, it probably wouldn't have nade much difference to them whoever won the war.
I appreciate that weren't many jews or gypsies in Derry but there would have been a few gays who would have coped it.
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I don't really have a problem with McLean not wearing a poppy, he is Irish and I can understand why he would maybe prefer not to wear it - it's his choice and understandable.
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While I, as an Englishman, deeply appreciate the sacrifice made by others to protect the freedom I enjoy, I can understand why somebody from Derry may not feel the same.
They didn't get that freedom did they? In fact, it probably wouldn't have nade much difference to them whoever won the war.
I appreciate that weren't many jews or gypsies in Derry but there would have been a few gays who would have coped it.
I'n those times I'm sure they'd have been highly skilled at keeping it hidden.
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While I, as an Englishman, deeply appreciate the sacrifice made by others to protect the freedom I enjoy, I can understand why somebody from Derry may not feel the same.
They didn't get that freedom did they? In fact, it probably wouldn't have nade much difference to them whoever won the war.
I appreciate that weren't many jews or gypsies in Derry but there would have been a few gays who would have coped it.
I'n those times I'm sure they'd have been highly skilled at keeping it hidden.
I'm sure the ones they killed in europe thought the same.
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While I, as an Englishman, deeply appreciate the sacrifice made by others to protect the freedom I enjoy, I can understand why somebody from Derry may not feel the same.
They didn't get that freedom did they? In fact, it probably wouldn't have nade much difference to them whoever won the war.
I appreciate that weren't many jews or gypsies in Derry but there would have been a few gays who would have coped it.
I'n those times I'm sure they'd have been highly skilled at keeping it hidden.
I'm sure the ones they killed in europe thought the same.
Aye, I guess they did.
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Is there a poll for thread of the year? Because I reckon this one would win hands down. And I'm not being facetious.
It's an object lesson in how to argue on the Internet. By now on most forums I go on this would have descended into a flame war on about page five.
It has everything, reasoned argument, idiocy, humour, hypocrisy etc. Plus a light touch from the mods.
Anyway for what it's worth, I think that we should bring the 19th minute applause to an end, Stan knows by now that he is always in our thoughts and I don't think he would think we'd forgotten about him just because we stopped applauding for him. If you really want to show him your support get along to the charity match on Sunday at Halesowen.
Oh, and by the way I buy a poppy every year but I never wear it because I'm so stupid I can't work out how to fix it to my coat without it falling off every time. Does that make me disrespectful?
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Is there a poll for thread of the year? Because I reckon this one would win hands down. And I'm not being facetious.
It's an object lesson in how to argue on the Internet. By now on most forums I go on this would have descended into a flame war on about page five.
It has everything, reasoned argument, idiocy, humour, hypocrisy etc. Plus a light touch from the mods.
Anyway for what it's worth, I think that we should bring the 19th minute applause to an end, Stan knows by now that he is always in our thoughts and I don't think he would think we'd forgotten about him just because we stopped applauding for him. If you really want to show him your support get along to the charity match on Sunday at Halesowen.
Oh, and by the way I buy a poppy every year but I never wear it because I'm so stupid I can't work out how to fix it to my coat without it falling off every time. Does that make me disrespectful?
I think I said as much on last year's poppy thread. Or was it the one the year before?
My, how time flies.
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I always lose mine too. I think I'll buy one of those metal pin badge ones next year.
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I always lose mine too. I think I'll buy one of those metal pin badge ones next year.
I had one of those this year but managed to lose that as well.
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I always lose mine too. I think I'll buy one of those metal pin badge ones next year.
They've started putting the year on now to try and combat such tight-arsery!
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They've started putting the year on now to try and combat such tight-arsery!
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Aha that much maligned (usually by my kids) practice of tight arsery........and I do mean the practice of thrift......rather than the less savory activities of the sausage jockey.
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Is there a poll for thread of the year? Because I reckon this one would win hands down. And I'm not being facetious.
It's an object lesson in how to argue on the Internet. By now on most forums I go on this would have descended into a flame war on about page five.
It has everything, reasoned argument, idiocy, humour, hypocrisy etc. Plus a light touch from the mods.
Indeed. I withdrew from the debate because I just didn't really see the point in getting bogged down but reading back over the thread there were a lot of good points and it really illustrates how complex and different (yet undeniably intertwined) these islands are.
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I'm getting better at keeping my poppy on, but after a few days it tends to curl up so I have to buy a new one.
By the way my only words on this subject should be that if you have the right to wear a poppy you should also have the right not to.
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I thought I had secured my poppy really well on Saturday.....that was until AW's second goal went in !!
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I always lose mine too. I think I'll buy one of those metal pin badge ones next year.
I did it this year, saved me messing about with it every 5 minutes
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Regarding the original intent of this thread. I think it is long past time to stop the 19 minutes applause. The no respect song makes me cringe and is not worthy of Aston Villa.
Agreed. Stan knows he's got our support.
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I always lose mine too. I think I'll buy one of those metal pin badge ones next year.
I did it this year, saved me messing about with it every 5 minutes
I've gone for the facial tattoo. Granted it does mean that I have to wear a balaclava for 11 months of the year, but its worth it.
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I personally think the 19th min applause should now come to an end. It has served its purpose well and stan will have greatly appreciated it. I hate it when villa fans start kicking off at opposition fans who don't join in. Why should they? I think a large majority of fans have shown their respect last season so why do they need to carry it on this season. I have no problems with our fans carrying it on but I personally think its gone on too long now.
Also,I used to sit in the north stand lower last season and used to cringe when our support would sing "empty seats m'lord". villa park had thousands of empty seats and it just showed how stupid those fans were for singing it to the opposition supporters when we couldn't even fill out stadium!
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People love to get all indignant about something. Hence the no respect song. Time to end it now as others have already said.
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How is it going to stop, I know it all started on H+V but a few posts on the site isn't going to make any difference to stopping everyone doing it
It will continue this season at least unless the club do something official,
I agree the other stuff that accompanies it is stupid, but it's not the end of the world if we keep on showing stan we are still supportive
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It will be difficult to stop I think. The only way it wil stop is if and when stan makes his return or if he has to retire. Not sure how else the club could communicate it out without offending people who wish to continue to applaud on the 19th minute.
As it will continue for the foreseeable future,I hope the fans who choose to start singing "no respect m'lord", start to understand that the opposition shouldn't have to participate.this is an avfc thing.
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As it will continue for the foreseeable future,I hope the fans who choose to start singing "no respect m'lord", start to understand that the opposition shouldn't have to participate.this is an avfc thing.
I'm not sure if they want to understand as to them it's another stick to beat the opposition with, along with "shit support, empty seats" etc
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I appreciate what some are saying about it being time to stop but I have to say I don't mind the applause. It's a nice gesture, but I agree that using it as a set-up excuse to have a go at other fans is moronic and reflects badly on our support, which otherwise seems to win a lot of friends. Opposition fans can't be expected to understand what is going on and those that do seem happy to show their support for it.
I'm not sure whether the club withdrawing their support for it will stop the chant as it seems to be part of the 'shit-support etc.' auto-pilot repertoire now. In my experience, confronting people about it hasn't worked; I got into a bit of an argument with a Villa fan at Tottenham, who seemed to be thoroughly enjoying baiting spurs fans with it, quite a number of whom were actually applauding during the minute.
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I'd like to see it carried on at VP, but for it to be spontaneous. Great if the away fans join in, but they should not be villified if they do not take part. How the club handle the issue of withdrawing the visual element is difficult. Perhaps a joint club statement from Stan and the powers that be?
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I agree, I think it should stop at away games as it makes me squirm a bit now with the inevitable "no respect" chants, it all gets a bit "Liverpool" victim mentality etc.
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Can Mr Woodhall not release a statement in the Mail with regard to dropping the round of applause?
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I don't think you'll catch Dave trying to tell Villa fans what to do.
You try pretending you're the 'voice of the fans' and then stand outside Villa Park for three hours before the game and see how much abuse you'd get.
Don't you dare Dave!*
*I know you won't, of course.
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Perhaps Jonathan Fear could call a Presser
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Can Mr Woodhall not release a statement in the Mail with regard to dropping the round of applause?
That doesn't sound to me like Dave's style, in any case although a few people act like knobs with the no respect stuff that shouldn't be a reason for the vast majority, who just want to support the man, to be asked to stop.
The important person in all of this is Petrov and I'm as certain as I can be that he will appreciate the continued public shows of appreciation of what he is going through
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Can Mr Woodhall not release a statement in the Mail with regard to dropping the round of applause?
That doesn't sound to me like Dave's style, in any case although a few people act like knobs with the no respect stuff that shouldn't be a reason for the vast majority, who just want to support the man, to be asked to stop.
The important person in all of this is Petrov and I'm as certain as I can be that he will appreciate the continued public shows of appreciation of what he is going through
Very well said Chris.
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Can Mr Woodhall not release a statement in the Mail with regard to dropping the round of applause?
That doesn't sound to me like Dave's style, in any case although a few people act like knobs with the no respect stuff that shouldn't be a reason for the vast majority, who just want to support the man, to be asked to stop.
The important person in all of this is Petrov and I'm as certain as I can be that he will appreciate the continued public shows of appreciation of what he is going through
Very well said Chris.
I've been undecided as to whether the 19th minute should continue, but having read your post and knowing what you've been through, Chris, I now think it should continue.
Thanks for your input.
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Can Mr Woodhall not release a statement in the Mail with regard to dropping the round of applause?
No he can not. I agree with tolstoy08 - the applause is fine, the rest is embarrassing and I love the phrase 'autopilot repertoire'.
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Its our gesture to our captain. The applause should continue. What should be stopped is the embarrassing ridiculous songs sung after. Maybe those on illa Talk and other Villa sites should spread the word and ask people to stop as we are making ourselves look stupid now. Also, if anyone says no to ask why they think its a good idea.
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maybe we should all sing 'No respect' to Kalid Abdo
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Can Mr Woodhall not release a statement in the Mail with regard to dropping the round of applause?
That doesn't sound to me like Dave's style, in any case although a few people act like knobs with the no respect stuff that shouldn't be a reason for the vast majority, who just want to support the man, to be asked to stop.
The important person in all of this is Petrov and I'm as certain as I can be that he will appreciate the continued public shows of appreciation of what he is going through
Very well said Chris.
I've been undecided as to whether the 19th minute should continue, but having read your post and knowing what you've been through, Chris, I now think it should continue.
Thanks for your input.
Very good point. Suppose the only other we can do is automatically start the One Stylian Petrov chant and drown out the morons that attempt to sing no respect.
Sorry Mr Woodhall, my logic behind is that with you being editor you might be able to send out a message to eradicate the idiots. We know it's starting to give us a bit of a rep and I dont want us to turn into Liverpool.
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Turn into a Liverpool? You do realise 96 fans went to a football match and never returned home don't you? That they were blamed for their own deaths and alcohol tests done in a makeshift mortuary, their family's had to read about fellow fans robbing the dead. All of which was untrue and only because of the continued campaign by the family's have we now found out the real truth, so they had every right to do what they did!
What a sickening fucking phrase to be used by a football "fan", if anything was to happen to me or any other Villa fans I'd hope that my fellow Villains would do the same as the Liverpool fans and family's of the deceased.
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He didn't mention anything about Hillsborough though.
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He didn't mention anything about Hillsborough though.
What else does it mean then?
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I must admit to being dissappointed that we are seriously considering dropping the 19th minute applause at Villa Park. The catalyst for this seems to be the moronic element of our fans responding to the opposition fans lack of participation through innocent ignorance ,in some cases, to the extreme case exhibited on saturday by that scum who follow Manure hijacking it to have a go at us.
Do we really want that lot to deprive us of the opportunity to show Stan how much we are behind him ?
Only when he gets the all clear should we stop doing it,but only applaud at Villa Park. Anyone listening to "no respect" chants should try to make the point to them that it only helps the opposition.
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He didn't mention anything about Hillsborough though.
What else does it mean then?
Scousers seem to have a minute silence every other week at Anfield for reasons that have nothing to do with Hillsborough. Perhaps that's what he's on about.
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He didn't mention anything about Hillsborough though.
What else does it mean then?
Scousers seem to have a minute silence every other week at Anfield for reasons that have nothing to do with Hillsborough. Perhaps that's what he's on about.
Nonsense!
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Scousers had (have) a persecution complex that predated Hillsborough. Toxteth, thatcher, docks. When I lived there i knew lads who were convinced that draws were fixed to put everton and lpool together in cup competitions so as to make sure one of them were knocked out.
But as Hillsborough showed just because you are PAranoid it does not mean they arent out to get you
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Turn into a Liverpool? You do realise 96 fans went to a football match and never returned home don't you? That they were blamed for their own deaths and alcohol tests done in a makeshift mortuary, their family's had to read about fellow fans robbing the dead. All of which was untrue and only because of the continued campaign by the family's have we now found out the real truth, so they had every right to do what they did!
What a sickening fucking phrase to be used by a football "fan", if anything was to happen to me or any other Villa fans I'd hope that my fellow Villains would do the same as the Liverpool fans and family's of the deceased.
For fucks sake. I didn't even refer to Hillsborough. I meant that Liverpool are famous for having a minutes silence all of the time. Bad reference giving the timing.
Anyway, I love Stan Petrov as a player and a person but i would be in favour of dropping ghe applause as hes in remission. If not, I'll still applaud until we do decide to drop.
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I agree, I think it should stop at away games as it makes me squirm a bit now with the inevitable "no respect" chants, it all gets a bit "Liverpool" victim mentality etc.
I agree with this, the grief junkies are having a field day with the Petrov thing.
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I agree, I think it should stop at away games as it makes me squirm a bit now with the inevitable "no respect" chants, it all gets a bit "Liverpool" victim mentality etc.
I agree with this, the grief junkies are having a field day with the Petrov thing.
Don't mention Liverpool. MonsXI will think you are being disprespectful!! That was exactly the point I was trying to make - victim mentallity. For fans, like Fulham to point it out to us, its obviously becoming an issue.
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drowning out the 'no respect' morons by chanting Petrov's name is the best solution.
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We just need to drop the whole m'lord thing, whatever shite lyrics are thrown in. It's all cringeworthy. End of.
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We just need to drop the whole m'lord thing, whatever shite lyrics are thrown in. It's all cringeworthy. End of.
We'd have no songs left.
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The clapping should stay IMHO, the crap afterwards needs to cease, makes it embarrassing to be honest
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This may be seen as controversial so apologies if it is but I just wanted to make an observation. Since Stan got Ill the law of averages says at least 50 Villa fans worldwide will have been diagnosed with cancer. My thoughts and money now go in this direction, the clapping is done, Stan knows we love him and him and his family are financially secure forever. Let's focus in those who really need the support now.
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We just need to drop the whole m'lord thing, whatever shite lyrics are thrown in. It's all cringeworthy. End of.
We'd have no songs left.
Good point.
A possible answer might be to subsume any other songs into this song, and then sing it throughout the game. So in addition to on the piss, empty seats and no respect, all other issues and concerns would also be addressed to My Lord.
Amen.
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This may be seen as controversial so apologies if it is but I just wanted to make an observation. Since Stan got Ill the law of averages says at least 50 Villa fans worldwide will have been diagnosed with cancer. My thoughts and money now go in this direction, the clapping is done, Stan knows we love him and him and his family are financially secure forever. Let's focus in those who really need the support now.
This is very true, but I have to point out that all finances raised on any "Stan" initiative go to cancer funding. We might be clapping Stan and wishing him well, but when it's raising money it goes to ordinary people who don't have what Stan has financially. I think that will be his legacy, and worth more than anything he could ever do on the pitch.
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Lovely touch by Man City today, showing Stan on their screens on the 19th minute. Fair play to their fans (almost all of them) who joined in the minute applause.
There was no rendition of 'no respect'.
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Lovely touch by Man City today, showing Stan on their screens on the 19th minute. Fair play to their fans (almost all of them) who joined in the minute applause.
There was no rendition of 'no respect'.
That's great to hear.
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Lovely touch by Man City today, showing Stan on their screens on the 19th minute. Fair play to their fans (almost all of them) who joined in the minute applause.
There was no rendition of 'no respect'.
A mate of mine who has a season ticket at Man City said our fans were brilliant today.
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And Man City fans have always been respectful towards us, win or lose. The only positive about todays humiliation is that at least the opposing fans are not cocks.
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After reading Stan's comments on the fishal site it's got to stay! Now how can we shut up the dickheads singing "no respect"?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2985284,00.html
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After reading Stan's comments on the fishal site it's got to stay! Now how can we shut up the dickheads singing "no respect"?
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2985284,00.html
First and easiest step is to raise awareness on the Villa forums on the internet.
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Something on Pravda and an announcement at the stadium.
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Yeah. Has to stay.
The morons have to stop singing no respect!!
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Well, I wrote an article on the cubject and submitted it to Aston Villa News & Views:
http://astonvilla-views.com/2012/11/23/show-respect-for-stan/
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Well, I wrote an article on the cubject and submitted it to Aston Villa News & Views:
http://astonvilla-views.com/2012/11/23/show-respect-for-stan/
Couldn't you have submitted it here?
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Well, I wrote an article on the cubject and submitted it to Aston Villa News & Views:
http://astonvilla-views.com/2012/11/23/show-respect-for-stan/
Couldn't you have submitted it here?
Yeah, any chance not3bad? That website is blocked at my end
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Well, I wrote an article on the cubject and submitted it to Aston Villa News & Views:
http://astonvilla-views.com/2012/11/23/show-respect-for-stan/
Couldn't you have submitted it here?
Well, I thought since most people here agree that we need to get rid of the chant, that getting the message out to the other forums might be a good way to spread the message, which was why I didn't post it here, initially:
Show Respect for Stan
The recent quotes by Stan Petrov expressing his appreciation for the 19th minute applause shows that this gesture by the fans is having a positive effect on a player and a person that means a lot to all of us Villa fans, and it is the best reason possible for continuing the tribute. However a small number of individuals have been doing the gesture a disservice with the way they have been using it as a vehicle to score points over rival fans.
The “Paul Mcgrath My Lord” song is somewhat controversial at the best of times. Singing lines like “On the Piss My Lord”, and “It’s your round” are possibly not the best way to eulogize a recovering alcoholic. And then there are the additional verses – “Shit support my lord”, aimed at opposition fans no matter how well they might be supporting their team. Considering the drop in attendances at Villa Park over the last few seasons, the less said about “Empty seats my Lord” the better.
Now a new verse has been added after the 19th minute tribute – “No Respect my Lord”, sung while pointing towards the opposition end (or at the home fans if it’s an away match).
At best these words are aimed at rival fans who haven’t got the faintest idea what this gesture means. At worst it is aimed at fans who do have an inkling and have actually joined in the applause (OK, a notable exception to these examples is a small section of Manchester United’s support on their recent visit – but just because a minority of their fans want to behave like idiots, it’s no reason to stoop to their level).
The 19th minute applause is a message of support from Aston Villa fans to the captain of their club. It should not be used as a stick with which to beat the opposition, and it does not give us any kind of “moral platform”. So let’s keep giving this message of support to Stan, and let’s not cheapen it with stupid chants.
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Well done Gooners 99.9% applauded! Speaking to a few Arsenal lads on the train one prick started giving it wanker signs and everyone in their section turned on him!
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Yep, well done Arsenal fans, thought they were top draw today apart from the "you don't know what you're doing" at Wenger ? Bizarre
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Well done Gooners 99.9% applauded! Speaking to a few Arsenal lads on the train one prick started giving it wanker signs and everyone in their section turned on him!
I've had a few glasses of wine in celebration of the fact we didn't lose today [though equally, if we had, I'd still have had a few glasses of wine]. From memory, some fans started a respect to the Arsenal type chant this afternoon. Admittedly it was a bit half hearted. Thought the Arsenal fans response was the most enthusiastic of away fans so far this season.
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Couldn't hear anything but applause on the TV.
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We sit in the front row Witton Lane Upper, next the the away fans and above them. Almost to a man the Arsenal fans joined in with the applause. Fair play to them.
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Sounded a lot better than some of the games this season, the larger crowd probably helped too.
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The applause came across well on TV today. Any 'no respect' chants though?
Must be due a goal for or against in the nineteenth minute soon...
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Yep, well done Arsenal fans, thought they were top draw today apart from the "you don't know what you're doing" at Wenger ? Bizarre
I think that was because he took Giroud off and threw on a midfielder on.
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Fair play to them.
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Don't know about other areas of the ground but I didn't hear any 'no respect' where I was yesterday which made a nice change, especially as Arsenal's fans almost all joined in with the applause.
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As our on the pitch form staggers, so off the pitch matters gain greater significance. My own view is that the "no respect" chant is crass self indulgence.
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People still doing this?
Very Scouse.
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People still doing this?
Very Scouse.
So you need to ask if people are still participating in the 19th minute tribute? Or are you on about the 'No Respect' song?
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Probably not the right thread but how many of you feel that some of what takes place on matchday really is small-town (and I'm not talking about the game itself!)? - the dreadful song that precedes the team's appearance sounds very naff; the half-time race with the tranparent balls (I found out on Saturday they're called a "zorb"); these, alongside the 'no respect' and 'shit support' chants really do smack of small-time / small-town.
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Probably not the right thread but how many of you feel that some of what takes place on matchday really is small-town (and I'm not talking about the game itself!)? - the dreadful song that precedes the team's appearance sounds very naff; the half-time race with the tranparent balls (I found out on Saturday they're called a "zorb"); these, alongside the 'no respect' and 'shit support' chants really do smack of small-time / small-town.
Heh, don't knock the Zorbs!
Its about the only guaranteed Villa win on match days at the moment
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The zorbs are non offensive fun - something silly to entertain a few at half time, sure the club would prefer we were all down on the concourse buying food & drink so I wouldnt expect them to be investing hugely in half time entertainment.
As for the chants - they are crass and you have to question some peoples level of intelligence that they blindly join in like sheep ie 'no respect' - 'on the piss m'lord' but that is choice - can you imagine the accusations of being small time if we walked into a game and found notes on all our seats requesting that we dont do particular songs / chants?
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Can't stand the M'lord crap, makes me cringe when I hear it on the box especially the "shit support" as the cameras pan around empty seats all over Villa Park, it's like we're singing it to ourselves!! hate it, and wish it would stop.
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There must be a few people wanting to have a go at the Zorb race, it seems popular. It passes the time i suppose. As for the song before they come out, i love Foo Fighters so it can stay. :)
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So you need to ask if people are still participating in the 19th minute tribute? Or are you on about the 'No Respect' song?
Both as bad as each other. The applause should have happened for one game and no more. Can't stand grief junkies.
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It's hardly being a 'grief junkie' to show support for Stan.
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So you need to ask if people are still participating in the 19th minute tribute? Or are you on about the 'No Respect' song?
Both as bad as each other. The applause should have happened for one game and no more. Can't stand grief junkies.
Do you know what you are on about?
Stan is our Captain and as long as he needs our support I will stand and clap on the 19th minute.
You can do whatever you like its a personal thing
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Don't bother reacting, folks. It would appear that he's just going for the 'controversial poster' schtick.
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So you need to ask if people are still participating in the 19th minute tribute? Or are you on about the 'No Respect' song?
Both as bad as each other. The applause should have happened for one game and no more. Can't stand grief junkies.
So you haven't bothered to read any of the articles where Stan himself says that the applause has often moved him to tears and he really appreciates the support we, as a whole club, are giving him?
*Edit* Yeah, just saw Ger's comment, I think you're right Ger.
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It's hardly being a 'grief junkie' to show support for Stan.
I think it's the right time to say: within his first two posts it became apparent to me that SCBE isn't a Villa fan. Small Heath or Albion I reckon. I'm plumping for the latter; sounds very much like what they've been coming out with on their forums. Probably not liking the fact we've received a fair bit of praise in the last week or so regarding Stan, whilst his own club is laughed at for taking 600 fans to Sunderland......
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So you need to ask if people are still participating in the 19th minute tribute? Or are you on about the 'No Respect' song?
Both as bad as each other. The applause should have happened for one game and no more. Can't stand grief junkies.
So you haven't bothered to read any of the articles where Stan himself says that the applause has often moved him to tears and he really appreciates the support we, as a whole club, are giving him?
Of course Stan is going to thank the fans for the support but I doubt he is going to come out and say pls stop the clapping. I thing it should stop now that he's in remission - he knows how much we care.
Just seems like we have to do it for the sake of it and ppl feel pressured into doing it, especially with the "No respect" garbage.
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Of course Stan is going to thank the fans for the support but I doubt he is going to come out and say pls stop the clapping. I thing it should stop now that he's in remission - he knows how much we care.
Just seems like we have to do it for the sake of it and ppl feel pressured into doing it, especially with the "No respect" garbage.
People on here, going through similar problems, have indicated that such shows of support give a massive lift. Don't clap if you don't want to, but don't trivialise something that has real meaning for many people, not just stan.
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People on here, going through similar problems, have indicated that such shows of support give a massive lift. Don't clap if you don't want to, but don't trivialise something that has real meaning for many people, not just stan.
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Her just beat me to it. This sums up my thoughts exactly Mr Regan.
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It's hardly being a 'grief junkie' to show support for Stan.
Precisely! It's far from grief, it's a show of support for one of own!
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So you need to ask if people are still participating in the 19th minute tribute? Or are you on about the 'No Respect' song?
Both as bad as each other. The applause should have happened for one game and no more. Can't stand grief junkies.
You haven't got a clue, and you can stick your clichés up your arse.
You clearly have no idea of the emotional and psychological impact of this type of illness, it dominates your life and gestures of support are hugely important in helping you cope. I've been to a funeral today and the fact that people took the time from their grieving to offer up kind words to me meant the world.
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You haven't got a clue, and you can stick your clichés up your arse.
You clearly have no idea of the emotional and psychological impact of this type of illness, it dominates your life and gestures of support are hugely important in helping you cope. I've been to a funeral today and the fact that people took the time from their grieving to offer up kind words to me meant the world.
Exactly. The idea that there is some sort of upper limit for compassion, empathy or, dare I say it, charity is appalling.
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So you need to ask if people are still participating in the 19th minute tribute? Or are you on about the 'No Respect' song?
Both as bad as each other. The applause should have happened for one game and no more. Can't stand grief junkies.
You haven't got a clue, and you can stick your clichés up your arse.
You clearly have no idea of the emotional and psychological impact of this type of illness, it dominates your life and gestures of support are hugely important in helping you cope. I've been to a funeral today and the fact that people took the time from their grieving to offer up kind words to me meant the world.
Well said chris.
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You haven't got a clue, and you can stick your clichés up your arse.
You clearly have no idea of the emotional and psychological impact of this type of illness, it dominates your life and gestures of support are hugely important in helping you cope. I've been to a funeral today and the fact that people took the time from their grieving to offer up kind words to me meant the world.
Oh shut the fuck up you tit. People fucking love a tragedy, it's pathetic. Doing it once would have been enough, every single game is pathetic and crass.
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Of course Stan is going to thank the fans for the support but I doubt he is going to come out and say pls stop the clapping. I thing it should stop now that he's in remission - he knows how much we care.
Just seems like we have to do it for the sake of it and ppl feel pressured into doing it, especially with the "No respect" garbage.
Exactly.
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Please please please, people ignore him.
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You haven't got a clue, and you can stick your clichés up your arse.
You clearly have no idea of the emotional and psychological impact of this type of illness, it dominates your life and gestures of support are hugely important in helping you cope. I've been to a funeral today and the fact that people took the time from their grieving to offer up kind words to me meant the world.
Oh shut the fuck up you tit. People fucking love a tragedy, it's pathetic. Doing it once would have been enough, every single game is pathetic and crass.
Christ almighty, you really are a nauseating prick. It's a shame you've just been banned already. I'm half tempted to unban you then ban you again, just for the fun of it.
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If ever there was a poster on here that lived up to his name..
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I was very much in the camp on ditching the 19th minute thing, I felt it had ran it's cause, then I happened to chat to Stilyan at the Halesowen game where he told me how touched he was by the support he is still getting from Villa fans. If clapping my hands together for one minute helps him feel better then I will continue to do it, if people can't be bothered to do so, equally that is their choice.
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I know that I'm thousands of miles away from VP, but I would like to see it continue specifically for the fact that Stan appreciates how much we still care. My opinion is that the longer we continue this, the more I want it to (apart from the no respect singing). It shows how united we are behind Stan and what he is going through. In time I believe that we will gain a lot of respect around the world for what we did for one of our own until he was better again.
I went to the Portland pre-season game and spoke with their supporters about it. They were fully behind the support Stan campaign and gave maximum kudos for us doing it. They loved the idea and wanted to be a part of it. I just wouldn't want us to stop it now as it has come so far.
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I was very much in the camp on ditching the 19th minute thing, I felt it had ran it's cause, then I happened to chat to Stilyan at the Halesowen game where he told me how touched he was by the support he is still getting from Villa fans. If clapping my hands together for one minute helps him feel better then I will continue to do it, if people can't be bothered to do so, equally that is their choice.
That's fair enough. However, I do wonder how it will end once Stan has made a full recovery (hopefully a case of when, not if).
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Has Bell-end gone for a long walk,or can I tell him what a really think?
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He's gone.
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Stamford Bridge in 2 weeks time, Chelsea fans will be applauding Roberto Di Matteo after 16 miniutes, 3 minutes later we'll be aplauding Stan.
No point here, just an observation
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I dont really know where or how to post this. The chap that sits in front of me a couple of weeks ago called a Spanish player a cheating dago, and at the Stoke game told one black player (Jerome) to "get back to the zoo" and when Shotton was sent off shouted "bye bye Rubber lips". If the comment to Jerome is regarding his time at the sty, maybe im being a bit harsh on this comment. Am I best having a quiet word with him, or speaking to a steward? I hope to start bringing my daughter to games, and while we will have to learn about bad language (especially from me), I dont think we should be putting up with this sort of thing.
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Is he an old-ish kind of geeza with ling white hair round the back, but bald-ish on the top? Bit of a wierdo type?
The reason I ask: I used to sit by a bloke who used to spout that sort of shit in Lower Holte (L6) for the past half a dozen years.
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Old ish chap, sits next to his wife(?) who seems to egg him on. He has to shout at something every game which seems his default position, but this aint right.
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If you feel comfortable saying something to him, do, otherwise tell a steward. Either way, he deserves to be told in no uncertain terms that what he's saying is unacceptable.
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Stamford Bridge in 2 weeks time, Chelsea fans will be applauding Roberto Di Matteo after 16 miniutes, 3 minutes later we'll be aplauding Stan.
No point here, just an observation
Ha yes I'm looking forward to that. As an aside there's a middle aged bloke up by me in the Witton upper, sits with his Mrs and he's reaction to the 19th minute thing I've noticed is always the same. He's usually first up, normally on about 18 mins 57 secs, and starts clapping quite aggressively whilst taking his eye off the game and staring directly at the away fans. As the minute passes, he maintains the stare and gets redder and redder in the face. I'm not sure what his problem is, just thought I'd mention it.
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Bad wind?
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Does he have a lot of body art?
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Does he have a lot of body art?
Thinking about it, yes he did.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
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I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Realise they came on as subs but otherwise it could have been Stephen Ireland and Darren Bent.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Does he have a lot of body art?
Thinking about it, yes he did.
If it's who I think it is, he also has either very thick hair, or is wears a maroon coloured wig. There was a brief clip of him on MOTD at the Arsenal game.
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Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
You don't see too many Geordie Villa fans.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
I don't remember the claret hair but he definatey had tattoo's. I just remember looking at him and thinking 'what a twat'.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
I don't remember the claret hair but he definatey had tattoo's. I just remember looking at him and thinking 'what a twat'.
He walked past me and Legion before the game. Maybe his hero is that Portsmouth prat.
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I've seen a few people ask to have their photograph taken with him [and he's been keen to oblige]. Each to their own and all that, but my preference is to try not to notice him. Or at least not let him realise he's been noticed.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
I don't remember the claret hair but he definatey had tattoo's. I just remember looking at him and thinking 'what a twat'.
He walked past me and Legion before the game. Maybe his hero is that Portsmouth prat.
I missed that. Far too busy making money out of Villa fans.
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I dont really know where or how to post this. The chap that sits in front of me a couple of weeks ago called a Spanish player a cheating dago, and at the Stoke game told one black player (Jerome) to "get back to the zoo" and when Shotton was sent off shouted "bye bye Rubber lips". If the comment to Jerome is regarding his time at the sty, maybe im being a bit harsh on this comment. Am I best having a quiet word with him, or speaking to a steward? I hope to start bringing my daughter to games, and while we will have to learn about bad language (especially from me), I dont think we should be putting up with this sort of thing.
You should report him to the stewards and the club and he should be banned.
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I dont really know where or how to post this. The chap that sits in front of me a couple of weeks ago called a Spanish player a cheating dago, and at the Stoke game told one black player (Jerome) to "get back to the zoo" and when Shotton was sent off shouted "bye bye Rubber lips". If the comment to Jerome is regarding his time at the sty, maybe im being a bit harsh on this comment. Am I best having a quiet word with him, or speaking to a steward? I hope to start bringing my daughter to games, and while we will have to learn about bad language (especially from me), I dont think we should be putting up with this sort of thing.
You should report him to the stewards and the club and he should be banned.
Correct.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
I don't remember the claret hair but he definatey had tattoo's. I just remember looking at him and thinking 'what a twat'.
He walked past me and Legion before the game. Maybe his hero is that Portsmouth prat.
That Portsmouth prat works in a second hand book store and is quite the book smart fellow. But then again he also showed my mates his cock with 'Pompey' tattoed on it. He wouldn't be able to get 'Portsmouth' on it apparently
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He could be president of Mensa and the King of Siam but he'd still look a prize prat.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
I see him at most games I go to, normally in the Lower Holte concourse, and he's made it onto Match of the Day a few times. I'd like to think of him as our famous fan, if it weren't for this 'Wolfie' fella everyone on here seems obsessed with.
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I'd like to think of him as our famous fan, if it weren't for this 'Wolfie' fella everyone on here seems obsessed with.
Less obsession, more like reverence.
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Wolfie is a legend, I'm sure he's en-route to Norfolk as I type.
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There must be a few people wanting to have a go at the Zorb race, it seems popular. It passes the time i suppose. As for the song before they come out, i love Foo Fighters so it can stay. :)
What song is it we come out to nowadays? I've only managed to afford a few games this season and can't recall.
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Not a fan of the Zorb thing. What happened to the good old days when we had sky divers delivering the match ball smack into the centre circle, now that was worth watching.
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Not a fan of the Zorb thing. What happened to the good old days when we had sky divers delivering the match ball smack into the centre circle, now that was worth watching.
I like the Zorbs, makes it more fun if you have a bet on the winner. I doubt we will ever see anyone diving onto the Villa pitch again after the Arsenal incident.
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Not a fan of the Zorb thing. What happened to the good old days when we had sky divers delivering the match ball smack into the centre circle, now that was worth watching.
I like the Zorbs, makes it more fun if you have a bet on the winner. I doubt we will ever see anyone diving onto the Villa pitch again after the Arsenal incident.
....apart from the players from Arsenal.
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Whilst we're on the subject of odd fans, there were a few odd bods around on Saturday. Firstly a bloke standing at the bottom of the Holte steps with no top on.
Also we had sat by us two chaps who looked like they were the main characters from Withnail and I. Both had big long coats on and they had dreadful hair. One of them also had a very odd smell about him which we only noticed due to the 6 times he walked past us to go for a piss. I had visions of them talking to a policeman after the game saying 'excuse me officer, we've come to Villa Park by mistake'.
Did the bloke with his shirt off have longish claret hair and a weird collection of tattoos? If so I saw him walking up to the ground, I was huddled into about 8 layers and he was carrying his top and swigging a can of beer.
I don't remember the claret hair but he definatey had tattoo's. I just remember looking at him and thinking 'what a twat'.
He walked past me and Legion before the game. Maybe his hero is that Portsmouth prat.
That Portsmouth prat works in a second hand book store and is quite the book smart fellow. But then again he also showed my mates his cock with 'Pompey' tattoed on it. He wouldn't be able to get 'Portsmouth' on it apparently
In this weather it probably reads 'Py' and all the girls think that he's a dyslexic mathematician.
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That Portsmouth prat works in a second hand book store and is quite the book smart fellow. But then again he also showed my mates his cock with 'Pompey' tattoed on it. He wouldn't be able to get 'Portsmouth' on it apparently
In this weather it probably reads 'Py' and all the girls think that he's a dyslexic mathematician.
Superb.
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Not a fan of the Zorb thing. What happened to the good old days when we had sky divers delivering the match ball smack into the centre circle, now that was worth watching.
I like the Zorbs, makes it more fun if you have a bet on the winner. I doubt we will ever see anyone diving onto the Villa pitch again after the Arsenal incident.
That was around this time of year, as Flight Sargeant Rogoff was dressed as Santa. Looked horrible from my seat!
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Not a fan of the Zorb thing. What happened to the good old days when we had sky divers delivering the match ball smack into the centre circle, now that was worth watching.
I like the Zorbs, makes it more fun if you have a bet on the winner. I doubt we will ever see anyone diving onto the Villa pitch again after the Arsenal incident.
....apart from the players from Arsenal.
Boom tish!
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Respect to this Norwich fan .
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/petrov.jpg)
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Respect to this Norwich fan .
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v436/EnglishPride2004/petrov.jpg)
Wonderful.
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Nice of him to do that for Stan.
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Was harangued by a gaggle of people around me tonight for preferring to watch the game in preference to participating in the petrov clapathon?
I suggested they dig out a copy of Willy Russell's 'Terraces'. Am not hopeful they will be able to operate the DVD though - with not having opposable thumbs.....
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Was harangued by a gaggle of people around me tonight for preferring to watch the game in preference to participating in the petrov clapathon?
I suggested they dig out a copy of Willy Russell's 'Terraces'. Am not hopeful they will be able to operate the DVD though - with not having opposable thumbs.....
Cant you multitask?
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Was harangued by a gaggle of people around me tonight for preferring to watch the game in preference to participating in the petrov clapathon?
I suggested they dig out a copy of Willy Russell's 'Terraces'. Am not hopeful they will be able to operate the DVD though - with not having opposable thumbs.....
A bit rich having ago at other peoples digit count when you can't seem to clap and watch the players at the same time. Seems like most of the ground including the Spurs fans could do that.
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Maybe I'm not as gifted as you.
Wish I could be ignorant of a legitimate point of view and spout garbage from my keyboard at the same time.
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If you're looking for support in your one man campaign to educate people in your arty ways, you're in the wrong place. The Villa captain is fighting for his life, so whatever Willy Russell thinks isn't really that important. In my opinion, of course.
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I stood and clapped and watched the game too - probably the highlight of the effing evening, truth be told.
It seemed like a large number of Spurs fans joined in too so well done to them.
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They did, fair play to them. They also amused me with "even your telly's shit" when the big screens went on the fritz.
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I am a twat.
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Was harangued by a gaggle of people around me tonight for preferring to watch the game in preference to participating in the petrov clapathon?
I suggested they dig out a copy of Willy Russell's 'Terraces'. Am not hopeful they will be able to operate the DVD though - with not having opposable thumbs.....
A bit rich having ago at other peoples digit count when you can't seem to clap and watch the players at the same time. Seems like most of the ground including the Spurs fans could do that.
why does he have to clap?
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why does he have to clap?
Why does he have to come on a thread entitled "respect" to tell us that he doesn't?
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It's ironic that because some people who don't feel the need to clap get castigated on a "respect" thread, whilst some people who do clap post stuff like this about an old woman.
Nope, no tongue in cheek whatsoever, her policies put my family through years of hell, I will celebrate greatly when she dies and feel absolutely no shame in doing so.
This isn't like me at all by the way, I generally don't reserve hatred for people I don't know personally, even Bono, and I try to see the best in anyone before they prove me wrong, but Thatcher? She is fucking evil and I fucking hate her.
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It's ironic that because some people who don't feel the need to clap get castigated on a "respect" thread, whilst some people who do clap post stuff like this about an old woman.
Nope, no tongue in cheek whatsoever, her policies put my family through years of hell, I will celebrate greatly when she dies and feel absolutely no shame in doing so.
This isn't like me at all by the way, I generally don't reserve hatred for people I don't know personally, even Bono, and I try to see the best in anyone before they prove me wrong, but Thatcher? She is fucking evil and I fucking hate her.
We shouldn't be so hard on those old Nazis either.
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It's ironic that because some people who don't feel the need to clap get castigated on a "respect" thread, whilst some people who do clap post stuff like this about an old woman.
Nope, no tongue in cheek whatsoever, her policies put my family through years of hell, I will celebrate greatly when she dies and feel absolutely no shame in doing so.
This isn't like me at all by the way, I generally don't reserve hatred for people I don't know personally, even Bono, and I try to see the best in anyone before they prove me wrong, but Thatcher? She is fucking evil and I fucking hate her.
He didn't post about an old woman though, he posted about Margaret Thatcher.
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It's ironic that because some people who don't feel the need to clap get castigated on a "respect" thread, whilst some people who do clap post stuff like this about an old woman.
Nope, no tongue in cheek whatsoever, her policies put my family through years of hell, I will celebrate greatly when she dies and feel absolutely no shame in doing so.
This isn't like me at all by the way, I generally don't reserve hatred for people I don't know personally, even Bono, and I try to see the best in anyone before they prove me wrong, but Thatcher? She is fucking evil and I fucking hate her.
He didn't post about an old woman though, he posted about Margaret Thatcher.
An answer expected from the people who will celebrate the death of Thatcher but demand compassion from others towards some one with a serious illness.
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Was harangued by a gaggle of people around me tonight for preferring to watch the game in preference to participating in the petrov clapathon?
I suggested they dig out a copy of Willy Russell's 'Terraces'. Am not hopeful they will be able to operate the DVD though - with not having opposable thumbs.....
A bit rich having ago at other peoples digit count when you can't seem to clap and watch the players at the same time. Seems like most of the ground including the Spurs fans could do that.
why does he have to clap?
Why couldn't he do both? It is pretty much the only time apart from a goal when everyone at Villa Park is coming together and unlike goals, we know when this will happen and can expect it in every match.
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Everyone has a choice I agree but if you can't applaud for sixty seconds to show your support for one of our own it's a bit of a poor show.
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It's ironic that because some people who don't feel the need to clap get castigated on a "respect" thread, whilst some people who do clap post stuff like this about an old woman.
Nope, no tongue in cheek whatsoever, her policies put my family through years of hell, I will celebrate greatly when she dies and feel absolutely no shame in doing so.
This isn't like me at all by the way, I generally don't reserve hatred for people I don't know personally, even Bono, and I try to see the best in anyone before they prove me wrong, but Thatcher? She is fucking evil and I fucking hate her.
He didn't post about an old woman though, he posted about Margaret Thatcher.
An answer expected from the people who will celebrate the death of Thatcher but demand compassion from others towards some one with a serious illness.
Person with illness = Aston Villa captain, battling midfielder and all-round nice bloke.
Thatcher = evil bitch-queen from Hell, destroyer of lives, best friend of mass-murderer.
There is a difference.
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It's ironic that because some people who don't feel the need to clap get castigated on a "respect" thread, whilst some people who do clap post stuff like this about an old woman.
Nope, no tongue in cheek whatsoever, her policies put my family through years of hell, I will celebrate greatly when she dies and feel absolutely no shame in doing so.
This isn't like me at all by the way, I generally don't reserve hatred for people I don't know personally, even Bono, and I try to see the best in anyone before they prove me wrong, but Thatcher? She is fucking evil and I fucking hate her.
Fucking hell! Have you been saving that up for a year and a half to have a pop at me. bravo sir, quality work.
It's not even as though I've been the most vocal, I just suggested that maybe coming onto a thread about most fans wanting to still give applause to a player from our team who is suffering from a life-threatening illness and has stated that he is still moved to tears by it, and saying that you don't want to to do clap, so there!...is a little bit silly.
Meanwhile Thatcher fucked my family, that's personal, I hope she dies in a lot of pain.
Contradictory? Crass? Pathetic? Yep I am all of those. Give a fuck? nope.
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It's ironic that because some people who don't feel the need to clap get castigated on a "respect" thread, whilst some people who do clap post stuff like this about an old woman.
Nope, no tongue in cheek whatsoever, her policies put my family through years of hell, I will celebrate greatly when she dies and feel absolutely no shame in doing so.
This isn't like me at all by the way, I generally don't reserve hatred for people I don't know personally, even Bono, and I try to see the best in anyone before they prove me wrong, but Thatcher? She is fucking evil and I fucking hate her.
He didn't post about an old woman though, he posted about Margaret Thatcher.
An answer expected from the people who will celebrate the death of Thatcher but demand compassion from others towards some one with a serious illness.
Person with illness = Aston Villa captain, battling midfielder and all-round nice bloke.
Thatcher = evil bitch-queen from Hell, destroyer of lives, best friend of mass-murderer.
There is a difference.
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Dave, it wasn't aimed as a personal attack on yourself and I apologise profusely for how it came across. Your comment was an example of the what I think are double standards on here, people wanting other supporters or even our own to clap and yet having an opinion that a fellow human being dies in a lot of pain. I too find it difficult why anybody wouldn't want to clap for Petrov, but I reserve the right for him to make his own mind up. I think compassion for fellow human beings transcends boundaries such as club or political boundaries, if not, does that not make you as bad as her?
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It's pretty simple really.
Sometimes, people we like suffer, and it makes us unhappy as a result, and we support them.
Other times, people we hate suffer, and we find ourselves please they're suffering. Pinochet, for example, was an old man, but I reckon the world was a better place without him.
As for Thatcher, I loathe her. Will I dance when she dies? No. Will I be pleased to see her go? Probably, yes. I think the world is better off without the likes of her.
My family did ok under her, but lots did not. If I were from a northern mining community, for example, I'd probably be counting down the hours to her departure.
Saying "you're wanting an old woman dead" as if it is any old woman is totally missing the point. It isn't any old woman, it is that old woman.
If you had a hard time under her, I am sure you'll be glad to see her gone. For people who did well under her to castigate those who did not for wanting her dead strikes me as incredibly high handed. "You might have suffered under her, but you're not allowed to hate her, because I did OK"
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Dave, it wasn't aimed as a personal attack on yourself and I apologise profusely for how it came across. Your comment was an example of the what I think are double standards on here, people wanting other supporters or even our own to clap and yet having an opinion that a fellow human being dies in a lot of pain. I too find it difficult why anybody wouldn't want to clap for Petrov, but I reserve the right for him to make his own mind up. I think compassion for fellow human beings transcends boundaries such as club or political boundaries, if not, does that not make you as bad as her?
No probs, it's the internet, I don't take very much personally on here!
Yes, it probably does make me as bad, but hey, as I say, it's personal. I don't generally hate anyone, least of all those who just happen to have made my football club of choice slightly less good than they might have been, and yet I still see now people who post bile and vitriol against our owner and previous owner.
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I can never understand this "pining" for the mining communities.Who wants their children to go down the mines, certainly not the patronizing left who kept supporting the miners from afar.
Where was this support, when the far greater economic disaster of Rover being closed down happened?How many jobs in the midlands depended on its existence . Oh that happened under a Labour govt........does'nt count then.
Fasht is right, hypocrisy rules ok.
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I can never understand this "pining" for the mining communities.Who wants their children to go down the mines, certainly not the patronizing left who kept supporting the miners from afar.
Where was this support, when the far greater economic disaster of Rover being closed down happened?How many jobs in the midlands depended on its existence . Oh that happened under a Labour govt........does'nt count then.
Fasht is right, hypocrisy rules ok.
What are you on about?
I didn't come from a mining community, although i nearly did get a job with the NCB. Thatchers raping of the Midlands and north went far further than just mining communities.
I marched against the Rover shutdown as well.
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Rover made shit cars of low quality; the company got what it deserved, the workers did not.
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25, 45, and 75 cars were great cars Ads, unfortunately the image that Rover had got from the 70s never left them.Both management and unions must take the blame for that.
Selective reading DC.
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Selective reading DC.
How was it selective? I replied exactly to what you wrote.
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I can never understand this "pining" for the mining communities.Who wants their children to go down the mines, certainly not the patronizing left who kept supporting the miners from afar.
Where was this support, when the far greater economic disaster of Rover being closed down happened?How many jobs in the midlands depended on its existence . Oh that happened under a Labour govt........does'nt count then.
Fasht is right, hypocrisy rules ok.
I don't describe myself as a leftie and I find the wishes of death on an admittedly horrible old bag distasteful, but I did go on the Rover march and I did give money to the miners.
Nothing is as black and white as you think, I was joined by two staunch Tories on that Rover march.
You're right on one thing though, the lack of help from the Labour Government to help Rover was a disgrace, they didn't show the same reticence to the fucking banks when they came calling.
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Rover made shit cars of low quality
Have to disagree there ads.
We've had our 25 for 10 years, still going strong and barely had any trouble with it.
They're well known for their reliability.
I won't get rid of it till it ceases up.
Longbridge suffered their fate due to shit, greedy management and a Government who refused to help.
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How the fuck did this thread end up being about politics?
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This is what you've done to us Villa!
My first car was a Rover 200, not a fan.
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Rover made shit cars of low quality
Have to disagree there ads.
We've had our 25 for 10 years, still going strong and barely had any trouble with it.
They're well known for their reliability.
I won't get rid of it till it ceases up.
Longbridge suffered their fate due to shit, greedy management and a Government who refused to help.
We have a bloke over here that used to work at Rover. He had the foresight to move over here, buy loads of cars and a shite load of spare parts for them aswell. UK Car Autos, and they are bloody good. Once our astra has died of death we will be buying a Rover of this bloke.
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How the fuck did this thread end up being about politics?
It's a lot more enjoyable than talking about football at the moment!
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My first car was a Rover 200, not a fan.
Very sensible ads, you'd never have got your family in a fan, even if it was one of those stand up ones that oscillate.
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I assume it was a misprint and he meant to type "van".
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I assume it was a misprint and he meant to type "van".
As in Van Morrison?
I can't imagine that fat, grumpy bastard putting up with kids playing up on his back and having luggage shoved into his ample arse.
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Bloody Spill Chock.
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I assume it was a misprint and he meant to type "van".
As in Van Morrison?
I can't imagine that fat, grumpy bastard putting up with kids playing up on his back and having luggage shoved into his ample arse.
Bloody shite live aswell. Albums are good though.
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Can you imagine what would have happened should the government bail out the miners like they did with the banks recently? A lot of money there. Call it a sort of 'parachute' payment to help northerner communities back on their feet
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Thank you and goodnight from Question Time
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Everyone has a choice I agree but if you can't applaud for sixty seconds to show your support for one of our own it's a bit of a poor show.
The OP and my post a couple of days ago simply made the point that no one should be made to join in - villa or opposition fans alike.
I respect other people's wish to applaud even though I clearly don't agree with it, so I just let them get on with it. I don't understand why other's didn't show the same 'respect' to me.
Who, what, how and for how long we choose to show respect/support is up to the individual. This was the reason for citing Terraces (which is not arty bollocks) is that many of our fans are acting as if straight out of the play and might learn something if they watched or read it.
For what it's worth I would be happy to clap if it was to show support for everyone suffering from cancer/leukaemia, the people caring for them, the medics and the scientists working for a cure.
I am not happy supporting any individual in the current way because there is no clear end to it. Do we clap until he's cured (notionally 5 years), do we stop if he were to die? Etc.
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We clap for as long as it keeps putting fire into Stan.
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We clap for as long as it keeps putting fire into Stan.
he doesnt have leukaemia any longer. are we all aware of that?
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We clap for as long as it keeps putting fire into Stan.
he doesnt have leukaemia any longer. are we all aware of that?
Funny, I never knew that being in remission means he doesn't have it any longer.
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We clap for as long as it keeps putting fire into Stan.
he doesnt have leukaemia any longer. are we all aware of that?
Funny, I never knew that being in remission means he doesn't have it any longer.
well it does. i bet you dont know alot about aml(acute myloid leukaemia) either. when you have leukaemia your aim is to get into remission, and then stay there!
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We clap for as long as it keeps putting fire into Stan.
he doesnt have leukaemia any longer. are we all aware of that?
Funny, I never knew that being in remission means he doesn't have it any longer.
well it does. i bet you dont know alot about aml(acute myloid leukaemia) either. when you have leukaemia your aim is to get into remission, and then stay there!
The last news we had in November was it was in remission but he still had some cycles of treatment planned. As for whether he is free of it, it depends on whether it is full remission or partial. Until he announces that he has been given the all clear, then we can say he doesn't have it any longer.
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I don't really care what stage his recovery is at.
I think Stan is awesome.
He says the 19th minute applause helps him a lot.
Therefore, I'll stand up and clap as long as that is the case.
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We clap for as long as it keeps putting fire into Stan.
he doesnt have leukaemia any longer. are we all aware of that?
Funny, I never knew that being in remission means he doesn't have it any longer.
well it does. i bet you dont know alot about aml(acute myloid leukaemia) either. when you have leukaemia your aim is to get into remission, and then stay there!
The last news we had in November was it was in remission but he still had some cycles of treatment planned. As for whether he is free of it, it depends on whether it is full remission or partial. Until he announces that he has been given the all clear, then we can say he doesn't have it any longer.
there isnt a thing called partial remisson, stan has also continued and finished his chemotherapy.
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there isnt a thing called partial remisson,
Better tell these websites then (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=partial+remission.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)
stan has also continued and finished his chemotherapy.
And can you post a link to the news about him finishing and having the all clear as I and many others must have missed it. The last news I can find was the reports in November about him still having to finish them. I'm sure the news would be a massive uplift for the supporters in this run of results.
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there isnt a thing called partial remisson,
Better tell these websites then (https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=partial+remission.&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a&channel=rcs)
stan has also continued and finished his chemotherapy.
And can you post a link to the news about him finishing and having the all clear as I and many others must have missed it. The last news I can find was the reports in November about him still having to finish them. I'm sure the news would be a massive uplift for the supporters in this run of results.
after having aml myself in 1998 and going into remission after 5 courses of chemotherapyi remained that way until 2002 until i fell out of remission. a further course of chemo and i was back in remission and have been for 10 nearly 11 years. there is no in or out with acute leukaemia, you either have leukaemic cells or not.
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Today was strange, the 19th minute felt muted. The guy next to me never stood up, or clapped which is fine, his choice. But then he very clearly said "fuck Stan".
All just added to a very unhappy day.
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Today was strange, the 19th minute felt muted. The guy next to me never stood up, or clapped which is fine, his choice. But then he very clearly said "fuck Stan".
All just added to a very unhappy day.
Fuck that guy
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Today was strange, the 19th minute felt muted. The guy next to me never stood up, or clapped which is fine, his choice. But then he very clearly said "fuck Stan".
All just added to a very unhappy day.
Fuck that guy
agreed, though i feel the muted atmosphere was probably more to do with wigan only having 500 fans and therefore no one for the eejits to sing no respect to or berate other supporters who choose to not clap for the minute
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First, I'm glad you are well and beat the disease.
I'm also aware that he was announced as being in "remission" in August but that still didn't stop them treating him up to at least November according to the man himself ( the same report where he says the fans clapping helps a lot). I would suggest that until, like yourself they decide further treatments are not needed or Stan says stop, the clapping continues.
And now the link to the Petrov news where he says all the cancer cells have gone and all treatments have stopped?
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First, I'm glad you are well and beat the disease.
I'm also aware that he was announced as being in "remission" in August but that still didn't stop them treating him up to at least November according to the man himself ( the same report where he says the fans clapping helps a lot). I would suggest that until, like yourself they decide further treatments are not needed or Stan says stop, the clapping continues.
And now the link to the Petrov news where he says all the cancer cells have gone and all treatments have stopped?
if it helps carry on clapping, the club need to be more informative to fans as to what they are indeed supporting now. if everyone knew where stan was as i do, you would all be more than happy with that knowledge.
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Are you using your own knowledge of the disease as the basis or is it an ITK about where he is?
I'm only asking because as I have mentioned several times, remission in August but still several treatments to go in after late November as of the last report. I'm sure Petrov doesn't want to announce anything until it is 100 % sure that it is not coming back after the final rounds of treatments. I would say the club as no say in the matter of informing supporters until Stan is ready to for the news to come out.
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I met Stan briefly at the Halesowen game for the old stars v Petrov XI. Whilst he still looked very poorly he was incredibly touched by the occassion and the fact fans wanted to meet him and wish him well. For this reason I will stand and applaud on the 19th minute every week.