No Respect

[pbavfckuwait]

Freedom comes at a price and respect for that should cost little including at times your pride

[pbavfckuwait]

Rissbert you are obviously a person who has fought for their country, lost members of their family and friends who have fought for their country, or one of those who spouts out of his arse because they believe in the freedom of speech, but would have no idea how that freedom is gained and more importantly sustained, but likes to ban people when they say something they disagree with, and also maybe because it is spouted on Facebook obviously makes it incorrect, well when H&V has as many followers as Facebook may be your opinion will be worth a shit .

[PeterWithesShin]

Make sure you keep it civil please folks.

[john e]

He is part of a community that represents the English Premier League, that is the competition he plys his trade to earn his wages, he is paid in pounds stirling and then he can transfer it after he has paid his taxes to wherever he likes, he is not an individual but a part of a 11 members of  a team that plays again in the English Premier League.
I am an ex serving sailor who served in the Falklands and missed seeing us win the European cup because of that, born of Irish Catholic parents in Birmingham, who lived in the City and I am very proud of my mixed heritage, but I am now working in a Muslim Country in the Middle East and have to respect the cultural and historical differences of where I am living and make my living. The 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour  we will remember those that have fallen in the UK and elsewhere to allow the likes of Mc or whatever  his name is, totally irrelevant to express such a thought, maybe if the Germans or the Russians had gone on to their expected outcomes, he may not find himself  allowed to express that opinion, just a thought. 

That's exactly the sort of pish routinely posted on Facebook that really grinds my gears.

why havent you 'friended' me yet then ?
 i post some right old shit on there (and on here)

[Richard C]

Yes, because events can only matter to someone if they were actually born when they happened.

Like is said he wasn't even born.

[Richard C]

Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.

What does that have to do with Mclean not wearing a poppy? Or is it the case that really there's nothing disrespectful about a young lad quietly without fuss exercising his right not to wear a poppy?

It was in reply to some of the other post's pointing out the hurt done to McLean'c community, not that he would know, he wasn't born.

Take a little read of what your posting before posting because these your posts on this topic are bordering on idiotic. We are not debating the actions of both sides in the conflict in the north or Ireland we are discussing a lad born and raised in Derry and him not playing on Saturday in a shirt with a poppy on it.

Does H&V have "republican lovers"? Or just people with differing opinions?

Be sad if this thread goes the way of the usual celtic/rangers threads because on the whole their are some interesting posts on both sides.

Don't forget, to turn the whole McLean thing round. McLean's community murdered many more British Solders and indeed Catholics than were killed on Bloody Sunday.

What does that have to do with Mclean not wearing a poppy? Or is it the case that really there's nothing disrespectful about a young lad quietly without fuss exercising his right not to wear a poppy?

It was in reply to some of the other post's pointing out the hurt done to McLean'c community, not that he would know, he wasn't born.

Take a little read of what your posting before posting because these your posts on this topic are bordering on idiotic. We are not debating the actions of both sides in the conflict in the north or Ireland we are discussing a lad born and raised in Derry and him not playing on Saturday in a shirt with a poppy on it.

Does H&V have "republican lovers"? Or just people with differing opinions?

Be sad if this thread goes the way of the usual celtic/rangers threads because on the whole their are some interesting posts on both sides.

Take a fucking read of your own post's before hitting the button.

[Legion]

Please keep it civil.

[LeeB]

He is part of a community that represents the English Premier League, that is the competition he plys his trade to earn his wages, he is paid in pounds stirling and then he can transfer it after he has paid his taxes to wherever he likes, he is not an individual but a part of a 11 members of  a team that plays again in the English Premier League.
I am an ex serving sailor who served in the Falklands and missed seeing us win the European cup because of that, born of Irish Catholic parents in Birmingham, who lived in the City and I am very proud of my mixed heritage, but I am now working in a Muslim Country in the Middle East and have to respect the cultural and historical differences of where I am living and make my living. The 11th day of the 11th month at the 11th hour  we will remember those that have fallen in the UK and elsewhere to allow the likes of Mc or whatever  his name is, totally irrelevant to express such a thought, maybe if the Germans or the Russians had gone on to their expected outcomes, he may not find himself  allowed to express that opinion, just a thought. 

We should have just saluted Hitler back in the day, you know respecting local beliefs and traditions and all that.

[nornironvillain]

is this the first year that all the teams in the EPL have had to wear poppies on their shirts?

the last couple of years there has been a few teams that have never wore them.

is that right?

[Mazrim]

Alright, let me qualify my pont in better terms than I did earlier as it appears I did so poorly. Then I'll withdraw.

I know that the poppy is used in the north in connection with the British army and so on. My mum lived there for ages and I visited often as well as other things I can't/won't go into means I'm not new to any of it. I'm fairly up to speed with "the troubles" and all that.

My point is that its wrong and no amount of illegitimate use makes that otherwise.
Its what annoys me. The misuse of this symbol of remembrance and the dilution of its symbolic meaning.
Yes, the RBL use it as its emblem but that is a charitable organisation, not the British army. Why should it have any more significance for the British than the Canadians, Americans, Sri Lankan, Australians or whoever who also uses it? Its like saying the Red Cross is British.
It was all started by a Canadian and an American for christ's sake.

And despite my better judgement, I took it out on McClean when he's not to blame. So although I claim it ignorant to use the Poppy in connection to any sectarian matters, I shouldn't have called him a twat.

So in summary, I resent that this is ever an issue.
Nobody should feel they cannot wear a poppy for any political reason because there should be no political connection to it.
It's not a symbol of the British army no more than it is Canadian or wherever else.

It has meaning to me that is nothing at all to do with Northern Ireland.
What happened in Derry disgusts me BUT it's a seperate issue and I resent it being used in connection with anything else but respect and remembrance to the millions who have given their lives (including men from all over Ireland and yes, Derry) in the line of duty.

[nornironvillain]

Alright, let me qualify my pont in better terms than I did earlier as it appears I did so poorly. Then I'll withdraw.

I know that the poppy is used in the north in connection with the British army and so on. My mum lived there for ages and I visited often as well as other things I can't/won't go into means I'm not new to any of it. I'm fairly up to speed with "the troubles" and all that.

My point is that its wrong and no amount of illegitimate use makes that otherwise.
Its what annoys me. The misuse of this symbol of remembrance and the dilution of its symbolic meaning.
Yes, the RBL use it as its emblem but that is a charitable organisation, not the British army. Why should it have any more significance for the British than the Canadians, Americans, Sri Lankan, Australians or whoever who also uses it? Its like saying the Red Cross is British.
It was all started by a Canadian and an American for christ's sake.

And despite my better judgement, I took it out on McClean when he's not to blame. So although I claim it ignorant to use the Poppy in connection to any sectarian matters, I shouldn't have called him a twat.

So in summary, I resent that this is ever an issue.
Nobody should feel they cannot wear a poppy for any political reason because there should be no political connection to it.
It's not a symbol of the British army no more than it is Canadian or wherever else.

It has meaning to me that is nothing at all to do with Northern Ireland.
What happened in Derry disgusts me BUT it's a seperate issue and I resent it being used in connection with anything else but respect and remembrance to the millions who have given their lives (including men from all over Ireland and yes, Derry) in the line of duty.

It has meaning to me that is nothing at all to do with Northern Ireland.
 
it does to McClean though and as i explained as well it has a totally different meaning righly or wrongly over here

[silhillvilla]

Derry ? You mean Londonderry right ? 

[kippaxvilla2]

It has meaning to me eee eeee, ah Vienna......

[Ger Regan]

Yes, because events can only matter to someone if they were actually born when they happened.

Like is said he wasn't even born.

And?

[MonsXI]

Yes, because events can only matter to someone if they were actually born when they happened.

Shit who's gonna break this to all the major religions?