No Respect

[Jon Crofts]

Similar happened at our local rememberance service.  3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.

McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today.  I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.

[mrastonvilla]

Surely individual freedoms are what the people involved in various wars were partly fighting for?

Exactly. But was it individual freedom that was behind his decision or, as a couple of people have said on here, the fear of what might happen back home if he did choose to wear one?

i nearly expressed my individual freedom yesterday afternoon when an asian parent talked on his phone for the whole minutes silence at my lads under 12's football match. netherton colts, your parent behaved disgracefully!
i think because he was asian no one had the balls to tell him to shut the fuck up incase of the argument that would follow.

Perhaps he was just an ignorant prick? I don't see what being Asian has to do with it.

Exactly, I saw a couple of white people on their phones during the silence at the service in Harborne.

I was in the Bull Ring at 11:00 yesterday. I was amazed by the number of people that carried on milling around during the minutes silence that was announced over the tannoy.

Their choice I guess.

[saunders_heroes]

Similar happened at our local rememberance service.  3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.

McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today.  I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.

McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?

[Irish villain]

Similar happened at our local rememberance service.  3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.

McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today.  I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.

McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?

He is actually from an estate in Derry, Creggan, that lost something like five or six people on Bloody Sunday. I don't think MON wears a poppy either.

[Chico Hamilton III]

He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday

Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.

Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.

[Irish villain]

He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday

Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.

Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.

I wasn't making a judgement on his action. Sure 200,000 Irishmen (half of whom were nationalist) fought for Britain in WW1. The Great War s a huge part of his and my history.

[Jon Crofts]

Similar happened at our local rememberance service.  3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.

McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today.  I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.

McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?

Perhaps it was, only he knows, lucky for him he can make that choice.

[not3bad]

He comes from Derry so it's hardly surprising his attitude to the British Army is a little different from the rest of us.
Also no one should be press ganged into wearing a poppy if you choose not to.

I understand exactly why he did it. I also said he was free to choose whether or not to do it.

I'm not sure whether Remembrance Sunday is about the British Army or whether it's about spending 2 minutes each year remembering the ordinary blokes who have been killed in wars?

Isn't it just an excuse for people to try to outdo each other on Facebook with pictures of poppies and "lest we forget" type quotes?

And don't forget the "I wear a poppy and I don't give a shit if you're offended" quotes. Not that I've ever met anyone who's been offended by a Remembrance Poppy.

[Jon Crofts]

There's people making money out of EDL types selling poppy badges with 'Try burning this' under the poppy, I find that more offensive than choosing not to wear a poppy.

[Surrey Villain]

Similar happened at our local rememberance service.  3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.

McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today.  I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.

McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?

He is actually from an estate in Derry, Creggan, that lost something like five or six people on Bloody Sunday. I don't think MON wears a poppy either.

But they are happy enough to earn their fortunes in this country!

[The Laughing Policeman]

There's people making money out of EDL types selling poppy badges with 'Try burning this' under the poppy, I find that more offensive than choosing not to wear a poppy.

Hopefully the British Legion have the poppy trade marked or what ever and can put a stop to the scum doing this sort of thing, it's bad enough that they hijack our national flag for their racist ends.

[WarszaVillan]

He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday

Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.

Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.

I wasn't making a judgement on his action. Sure 200,000 Irishmen (half of whom were nationalist) fought for Britain in WW1. The Great War s a huge part of his and my history.

It is and its also a shameful part due to the fact that our leaders took us into a senseless war and one in which 16 million people died. I'm all for remembering and commemorating the dead but I don't like the way it has become celebrated by some. This was outright slaughter without purpose, which is why I wouldn't wear a poppy (although i understand why some do).

This is a very good statement on the matter:  http://dancooperulu.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/why-i-declined-an-invitation-to-lay-a-wreath-at-the-uols-rememberance-service/

[Brend'Watkins]

Similar happened at our local rememberance service.  3 people decided they just couldnt wait to go shopping and talked & smoked all the way through the act of rememberance.

McLean would do well to remember other peoples sacrifices mean that he does have a choice today.  I echo Chico's comment re him exercising his right to a choice rather than doing it because of the fear of what wearing one may result in.

McLean was reared in a town where the British Army killed many of his fellow citizens just for being catholic, just like him. Perhaps that could be the reason he refused to wear one?

He is actually from an estate in Derry, Creggan, that lost something like five or six people on Bloody Sunday. I don't think MON wears a poppy either.

But they are happy enough to earn their fortunes in this country!

That's not a relevant point though is it?

My wife refuses to wear one at the request of her long gone Grandfather a WW1 veteran who got zero help from the RBL when he most needed it. 

It's about choice, not what Poppy fascists insist we should do.

[Jon Crofts]

He is actually from an estate in Derry that lost something like five or six innocent people on Bloody Sunday

Whch is absolutely shocking, of course.

Derry also lost over 1200 innocent men in WW1.

I wasn't making a judgement on his action. Sure 200,000 Irishmen (half of whom were nationalist) fought for Britain in WW1. The Great War s a huge part of his and my history.

It is and its also a shameful part due to the fact that our leaders took us into a senseless war and one in which 16 million people died. I'm all for remembering and commemorating the dead but I don't like the way it has become celebrated by some. This was outright slaughter without purpose, which is why I wouldn't wear a poppy (although i understand why some do).

This is a very good statement on the matter:  http://dancooperulu.wordpress.com/2012/11/09/why-i-declined-an-invitation-to-lay-a-wreath-at-the-uols-rememberance-service/

I'd say that was a very very poor statement on the matter, allowing his own personal agenda to influence him when he represents 120,000 students.

[kippaxvilla2]

Isn't Derry Creggan that bloke who is being tried for murdering two policewomen and related gangland shootings in Manchester?