Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Tokyo Sexwhale on October 12, 2012, 11:47:06 AM
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I'm sure there will be some opinions on this!
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/news/green-hints-super-league-involvement-083336718.html
..Rangers chief executive Charles Green insists his fallen Scottish giants will be involved during the inevitable transition to a European super league.
The club unveiled plans for admission to the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange on Thursday in the hope of raising up to £20million. Green anticipates the exploitation of untapped revenue streams such as merchandising will help elevate Rangers back into the Scottish Premier League.
And, once there, he insists they will be welcomed at the top table of European football, the landscape of which will be radically altered by the demands of top clubs.
"There will be a European league because big teams can't keep subsidising small teams like Southampton for the next 10 years because they will go stale," he said.
"Arsenal don't want to play Southampton or Swansea, but ask them if they want to play Celtic or Rangers. It's what the fans want to see. Fans across the world want to see Manchester United play Barcelona, not just once every few years but every season.
"If there are two divisions of 18 clubs, how could Rangers not be a part of that? I'm convinced it will happen because otherwise where will the revenues for the top come from?
"These days Arsenal are struggling to sell out their game against West Ham. How can Manchester United's revenues be £320million and Aston Villa, who are completely useless, get £250? It all comes from Sky and it's not decided by what a club puts in.
"What Manchester United put into world football is massive, but what they take out of it is a joke and they won't put up with that for much longer."
Rangers are hoping to raise £20million through an institutional investor placing and limited public offering.
Green revealed the club will be undertaking an institutional investor roadshow, claiming that to date there has been "strong interest". The funds will be used to strengthen the squad, improve and develop the club's properties and facilities and provide additional working capital.
Green accepted that football has endured a chequered past concerning flotations on the stock exchange, but is confident Rangers will be a success.
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We should reply to that after we've been beaten by Stirling Albion, currently 40th in Scotland.
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There's a perception that Villa are on the way down and it appears that a queue is forming to put the boot in.
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To be fair he's rite, our revenue is pathetic. I was earning that a week straight out of school.
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I'd love it if a new European league was set up now to include the 2 big Scottish clubs, Celtic and Hibs.
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Maybe, just maybe other people out there don't think we are a big club anymore ?
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Maybe, just maybe other people out there don't think we are a big club anymore ?
I wonder if the irony of accusing us of no longer being a big club is lost on the Rangers Chief Exec?
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Bloody Jocks.
If our Villa supporting Prime Minister doesn't rewrite the Queens Speech to break up the Treaty of Union, I will never vote Conservative again.
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20 pages.
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Bloody Jocks
Green is a Yorkshireman, actually.
Which is even worse
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It seems somewhat odd that an opportunistic Chairman who knows very little about football would say we're useless, when as Dave says his team just lost to Stirling and occupy one of the lowest leagues in professional football.
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who is this imbecile ? he forgets that certain champions league games don't sell out.
The top domestic league needs the Southamptions and Swanseas of this world.
I would say that to most top clubs think the premier league is more important in this
country than the
Champions league
He should concentrate on making a much troubled club solvent again >:(
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Who gives a shit what that bunch of clowns think?
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There will be a European league because big teams can't keep subsidising small teams like Southampton for the next 10 years because they will go stale," he said.
There is a European league that his lot cant get into
the top teams need to play these stale clubs otherwise there is no brand !
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Bloody Jocks
Green is a Yorkshireman, actually.
Which is even worse
Bloody Tykes ! They can move Yorkshire up to an independent Scotland too ! That will be a bonus !
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People have gone unabout a European Super League for years and its never happened. Most clubs are happy with the current format of domestic and European games. The Premier League is a massively successful financial operation so I don't see why anyone would want to change that at a considerable risk.
If Green's poured millions into Rangers with that as the basis of the investment, he might be disappointed. Also, he should know something about Rangers' history and perhaps he wouldn't have such a low opinion of us. Also, surely we don't have a £250m turnover?
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People have gone unabout a European Super League for years and its never happened. Most clubs are happy with the current format of domestic and European games. The Premier League is a massively successful financial operation so I don't see why anyone would want to change that at a considerable risk.
If Green's poured millions into Rangers with that as the basis of the investment, he might be disappointed. Also, he should know something about Rangers' history and perhaps he wouldn't have such a low opinion of us. Also, surely we don't have a £250m turnover?
I would say that we have a European super league... The Champions League with relegation to the European second division called the Europa League
So the
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I love the way he is worshipping Manure - f-in pathetic. Just about sums up everything what is wrong with modern football - big business and greed.
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Maybe, just maybe other people out there don't think we are a big club anymore ?
I wonder if the irony of accusing us of no longer being a big club is lost on the Rangers Chief Exec?
Define big. Number of fans? Number of trophies? Number of trophies in last 3/5/10 years? Amount of money? Finishing top 10/6/4? Being in the Premier League?
Depending on how you look at it, we are/are not a big club. I'm sure most other fans would not have us down as a big club. There's arguments that Leeds and Sheff Wed are big clubs, but they're both a bit pretty shit.
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Charles Green is pressing every button in the populist Rangers mentality, offering everything to everyone. He meets with their Supporters Trust, he says he'll become a member. He meets their Northern Ireland supporters clubs, he says Rangers will play in Northern Irish youth tournaments. They'll have an orange away shirt, they'll never play in the SPL again (to be fair they're doing their best with that one), he'll take every ruling that goes against them to the highest courts, he'll ban press who are anti-Rangers. You might wonder why he quite wants to be so popular.
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I love the way he is worshipping Manure - f-in pathetic. Just about sums up everything what is wrong with modern football - big business and greed.
He probably thinks the owners of Man City and Chelsea are "good for the game".
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What is this?! 'Let's all take a cheap shot at Villa' season?
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We should reply to that after we've been beaten by Stirling Albion, currently 40th in Scotland.
42nd before they beat Rangers....
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Anyone that thinks that serious investors are likely to buy the shares these days or that a football club is a "big" business is deluded in the extreme.
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What is this?! 'Let's all take a cheap shot at Villa' season?
Everybody hates us and we don't care.
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I'd be quite happy for a few of the PL to bugger off to a super league. Bye bye Arsenal, Manutdcity, Chelsea and Liverpool ( I know but they would and probably Spurs as well) and let us have our competitive league back. I can see the advantages of a strong league made up of us, Everton the North East Clubs, Stoke,Swansea/Cardiff maybe even Albion and Wolves.
A proper competitive league , with a salary cap. And when no one wants to watch Super Wednesday anymore because Man City are winning every game then don't let em back.
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Why would a European 'super' league contain a club that has only been in existance for a few months, and has never played at the top level of it's own countries league system.
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A European Super League would be fekin boring as fek.
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A European Superleague would be rubbish. The whole excitement behind games like Inter vs Real Madrid is that they're rare occasions. If it happens week in week out over a season it loses that. That's ignoring the obvious issues of no local rivalry and fans having to travel hundreds of miles every week. It's an idiotic idea.
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So they are 3rd behind Queen's Park and Peterhead in a division where most matches are watched by 3 men and a dog and we're useless ?
Mind you, great team Queen's Park. Especially when the centre forward is available to play and isn't working on the buses !
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Would fans of teams not in this Super League pay to watch it, I wonder?
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Curse that "completely useless" Scotsman who gave the world league football. Remind me which club was he on the committee of again? I'll give you a clue, it wasn't Man Utd.
(http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/birmpost/dec2011/7/6/statue-of-william-mcgregor-outside-villa-park-316867161.jpg)
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Indeed.
Not just founder members of the Football League, but founders, and participant in its top flight more than every other club bar Everton.
Founder members of the Premier League and ever-present in it since.
Providers of more England players than any other club.
Setters of record attendances in the Premier League, plus the second and third divisions.
Fourth most successful club in a country where there are lots of decent, competitive clubs to play against, not just one infinitely less bigoted one.
One of only five English clubs to have won the European Cup, or should we say six British clubs to wind him up?
Fuck off Billy Bullshit Boy.
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At least we employ accountants that know one end of a balance sheet from the other.
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I'm sick of these sheep-bothering c***s sticking their noses into our game, saying things need to change. Just because their domestic league is a joke doesn't mean the rest of European football has to change to accomodate them. I wish they'd just die quietly.
It's not even as if they still produce decent players, other than the two Fletchers, who else has had an impact on English football in recent years?
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It isn't 1993 and the SPL can't compete with even middling Premier League clubs for players anymore. They can't comprehend that.
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What is this?! 'Let's all take a cheap shot at Villa' season?
Everybody hates us and we don't care.
Amen.
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Indeed.
Not just founder members of the Football League, but founders, and participant in its top flight more than every other club bar Everton.
Founder members of the Premier League and ever-present in it since.
Providers of more England players than any other club.
Setters of record attendances in the Premier League, plus the second and third divisions.
Fourth most successful club in a country where there are lots of decent, competitive clubs to play against, not just one infinitely less bigoted one.
One of only five English clubs to have won the European Cup, or should we say six British clubs to wind him up?
Fuck off Billy Bullshit Boy.
Not something your billions of petrodollars can buy...
*Fills up with pride*
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He has got a point though.
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Probably some mindless bigot who hates us because of Lambert due to his Celtic connections
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He has got a point though.
Stirling have three more than they had this time last week.
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Rangers' chairman is probably a mindless bigot?
You've been watching CSI again haven't you rob?
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It would appear to have become fashionable to have a swipe at Aston Villa.
At least we are getting a mention now ;-)
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Hi Villa fans,
I would just like too make an apology on behalf of Scottish football and its fans for the ramblings of that lunatic in control of that 4th tier Scottish club formely known as rangers. Most of us supporters up here are aware of Villas past and are also aware of the standard of football up here too so take it easy on us normal supporters of decent tax paying clubs up here ;)
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Rangers' chairman is probably a mindless bigot?
You've been watching CSI again haven't you rob?
A Chairman of a club which excluded the recruitment of players making up 40% or so of the population of the said Club's City of origin (until 1989) based on the fact the the yeast based representation of a non-existent supernatural being is metaphorical and not literal in earthly form.
Maybe I am wrong and they are all perfectly rational.
I am no major fan of Celtic either but do believe they had players more representative of the community for several decades beforehand.
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Yeah, I was agreeing with you.
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I think we should send Doug up there to give him a good talking to! Perhaps he could take Alan Hutton with him to play the Dennis Waterman role!
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If we really wanted to punish Rangers over this, we could just loan them Hutton.
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"Completely useless" is quite polite compared to what a Sheffield United supporter I know calls Charles Green. I also wonder what Rangers fans are saying about him in a week when they lost to Stirling and he said they would never rejoin the SPL while he was there. I'm glad we don't impress him, it should ensure he never wants to be involved with us.
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I came on here to read about the comments from the Ranger's guy and instead see people slagging off my lovely Yorkshire! Bastards!
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In the immortal words of most Villa fans.
"Fuck off, you blue nosed, know nothing, waste of a wank bastard"
What a knob that bloke is.
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"Completely useless" is quite polite compared to what a Sheffield United supporter I know calls Charles Green. I also wonder what Rangers fans are saying about him in a week when they lost to Stirling and he said they would never rejoin the SPL while he was there. I'm glad we don't impress him, it should ensure he never wants to be involved with us.
They still love him because he's saying what they want to hear.
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Who cares what he thinks?
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Who cares what he thinks?
Nobody really. But having to listen to cluless knob jockeys talking shite grates a bit.
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I'm just wondering how un-useless Rangers would have been if they'd had to compete in the PL and English cups. They might have a big fan base but they've only got into Europe regularly because they were playing in a mickey mouse league that was a two horse race. And they couldn't even do that without cooking the books. Why he thiinks that would make them obvious candidates for a European super league, I don't know, they're not even on a par with teams like Cluj and Young Boys. In other words, they were the European equivalent of Southampton, just making up the numbers. The prick.
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Think Dave and King William should start a new dynasty for Royal Aston Villa and anyone slag off Villa ie Robbie Savage, Charles Green will be send to the Tower of London for treason and we will see them beheaded :)
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I think a quote from our old friend Ian Holloway is quite apt here
'A big club that used to be famous '' thats all Rangers are now.To make derogatory comments about ourselves and Southampton given where they are right now is purely to try and convince their fans they are still relevant. They aren't and nor is that league anymore.
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Completely useless ..... Compared to Stirling who are giants of European football and beat that shower of rancid , blue shite easily last weekend .
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Completely useless ..... Compared to Stirling who are giants of European football and beat haft shower of rancid , blue shite easily last weekend .
Well said mate. More goals from Fin this week please.
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This really isn't going to help with those of us pushing for another friendly with them at VP.
I reckon when we went 2-0 up it was against the run of play and they would still have beat our completely useless team 3-2.
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What is this?! 'Let's all take a cheap shot at Villa' season?
Everybody hates us and we don't care.
yep, were right up there with Leeds, Millwall and MK Dons
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This really isn't going to help with those of us pushing for another friendly with them at VP.
I reckon when we went 2-0 up it was against the run of play and they would still have beat our completely useless team 3-2.
Rangers and Friendly in the same sentance. Surely not.
Don't remember them being that friendly last time they invaded.
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This really isn't going to help with those of us pushing for another friendly with them at VP.
I reckon when we went 2-0 up it was against the run of play and they would still have beat our completely useless team 3-2.
Rangers and Friendly in the same sentance. Surely not.
Don't remember them being that friendly last time they invaded.
They weren't so bad. We were just lulling them into a false sense of security and I've no doubt we would have regained the Holte End by the full time whistle. If the police dogs hadn't have intervened on the pitch to protect them, the Villa fans would have persuaded them to stand in their proper place on the Witton terrace while the game reached its conclusion.
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I've given my response a lot of thought. Rangers can suck my claret and blue coloured balls.
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These quotes are starting to grate now. It's worrying how far our reputation has fallen in the past 3 years.
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What is this?! 'Let's all take a cheap shot at Villa' season?
Everybody hates us and we don't care.
That's the worrying thing. They don't even seem to hate us.
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I am still a Rangers fan it is Green that made the comment
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Indeed. He is completely out of step with their fans, the vast majority of whom are fair-minded liberal types.
My arse.
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I am still a Rangers fan it is Green that made the comment
You cannot be a fan of more than one team.
You can have other teams you "support" or "follow" but you can only be a fan of one.
Fan is short for fanatic, which is a term implying utter devotion and loyalty to a cause.
Make your choice. Are you a fan of Villa or Rangers ?
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That can't be right. Most Rangers fans support lots of other clubs. The UDA, the UVF, the UFF, the Red Hand Gang, the BNP, the Freemasons, the KKK, the EDL....
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I am still a Rangers fan it is Green that made the comment
You cannot be a fan of more than one team.
You can have other teams you "support" or "follow" but you can only be a fan of one.
Fan is short for fanatic, which is a term implying utter devotion and loyalty to a cause.
Make your choice. Are you a fan of Villa or Rangers ?
I think you can get away with it when the clubs are not playing in the same country.
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Well, Villa are completely useless whereas Rangers are doing great at the moment because
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I am still a Rangers fan it is Green that made the comment
You cannot be a fan of more than one team.
You can have other teams you "support" or "follow" but you can only be a fan of one.
Fan is short for fanatic, which is a term implying utter devotion and loyalty to a cause.
Make your choice. Are you a fan of Villa or Rangers ?
I think you can get away with it when the clubs are not playing in the same country.
No you can't.
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I think you can when it's Rangers. They're more of an excuse for a load of right-wing bigoted fuckers to get together and celebrate the oppression of minorities than a football club.
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I am still a Rangers fan it is Green that made the comment
You cannot be a fan of more than one team.
You can have other teams you "support" or "follow" but you can only be a fan of one.
Fan is short for fanatic, which is a term implying utter devotion and loyalty to a cause.
Make your choice. Are you a fan of Villa or Rangers ?
I think you can get away with it when the clubs are not playing in the same country.
Nope. I'm a Villa fan. I follow the progress of Walsall, Kidderminster Harriers, Tallending United, Barcelona, Crewe Alexandra and a few others but it's only Villa in my heart.
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Green can do one.
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I think you can get away with it when the clubs are not playing in the same country.
No you can't.
I know people who have emigrated to this country and thus support a team here and a team from their homeland.
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“Villa have been a great club, are still a great club, and always will be a great club.” - Frederick Rinder, 1936.
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What is this?! 'Let's all take a cheap shot at Villa' season?
Everybody hates us and we don't care.
That's the worrying thing. They don't even seem to hate us.
Why the hell would that worry you?
Honestly, I couldn't give a flying shite about any other club in the world, and of anyone asked me for an opinion on another club I'd answer with an aloof "who gives a fuck" type reply.
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I think you can when it's Rangers. They're more of an excuse for a load of right-wing bigoted fuckers to get together and celebrate the oppression of minorities than a football club.
I'm starting to like you.
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I get stalked on Twitter by Rangers supporters. No-one else can even be bothered, not ex-girlfriends, not desperate gay blokes. Just Rangers fans. I don't even care about Rangers.
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That can't be right. Most Rangers fans support lots of other clubs. The UDA, the UVF, the UFF, the Red Hand Gang, the BNP, the Freemasons, the KKK, the EDL....
Don't forget the Knights Templers (or whatever group it is that Norweigan bloke claimed to be apart of)
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I also keep tabs on UD Lanzarote. Have not had time to go to a game yet (K.O is always at midday on Sundays ) and me and the Mrs are usually working but i am making a concious effort to go to a home game in a couple of weeks. Good little stadium and you can sup a cold beer whilst watching the game. They are in the fourth teir of Spanish football, good expat following and just missed out on promotion last year, loosing in the play off final.
Great for holiday makers who want to catch a game aswell and lots of them do.
A bloke called Ian Lane does all the merchandise for the club and also runs the web site aswell as doing all the press reports. So even though i am 2000 miles away from Gods ground i will still enjoy my day watching UD Lanzarote and the cold beer that goes with it.
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Damon: what do you expect with a name like Green? Jason Orange gets no such trouble.
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Yeah, sounds like a wanker
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I get stalked on Twitter by Rangers supporters. No-one else can even be bothered, not ex-girlfriends, not desperate gay blokes. Just Rangers fans. I don't even care about Rangers.
Maybe they think you're enjoying life.
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I can't imagine what gives them that fucking impression.
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I get stalked on Twitter by Rangers supporters. No-one else can even be bothered, not ex-girlfriends, not desperate gay blokes. Just Rangers fans. I don't even care about Rangers.
damonjust a question. What did you do that was so awful that made Rangers fans want to stalk you ? Surely they have plenty of hooped fellows to stalk in their native Glasgow ?
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I think you can when it's Rangers. They're more of an excuse for a load of right-wing bigoted fuckers to get together and celebrate the oppression of minorities than a football club.
Whereas Celtic are a load of jolly craicsters who do nothing more than celebrate their heritage.
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Rangers are not Villa and like all clubs that aren't Villa, they can fuck off.
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Rangers are not Villa and like all clubs that aren't Villa, they can fuck off.
I agree, we are Villa fans first last and always.
How does that song go again?
Oh yes........We are the Villa and we are the best, we are the Villa so fuck all the rest.
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I am still a Rangers fan it is Green that made the comment
You cannot be a fan of more than one team.
You can have other teams you "support" or "follow" but you can only be a fan of one.
Fan is short for fanatic, which is a term implying utter devotion and loyalty to a cause.
Make your choice. Are you a fan of Villa or Rangers ?
Sorry but I am a Rangers FAN but I am also Villa supporter.
Season ticket holder for over thirty years.
I can not be a Rangers supporter has I did not but money trough the turnstile so I have to be a fan.
I am a fan of lots of things like Dr who but I am not fanatic.
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Are you a fan of Rangers arsehole of a Chairman ?
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
Yep two sides of the same coin the bigot brothers.
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Wasnt it this sort of bigoted unrealistic attitude that got them in the shit they are in?
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Yep, two sides of the same coin - like Dr King and the White Knights of the KKK.
Catholics should just shake hands and get on with it.
Rosa Parks should have just moved seats.
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Billy Boys.
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Yep, two sides of the same coin - like Dr King and the White Knights of the KKK.
Catholics should just shake hands and get on with it.
Rosa Parks should have just moved seats.
I refer the poster to my earlier reply.
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
Yep two sides of the same coin the bigot brothers.
The only football rivalry in Europe (maybe even the world?) based on purely sectarian lines.
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I agreed completely with your previous reply. It tallied exactly with my experiences as a neutral at Old Firm games, where I suffered bigotry from Rangers' fans for being English,a nd not a whiff of it from Celts for being either English or a Protestant.
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I agreed completely with your previous reply. It tallied exactly with my experiences as a neutral at Old Firm games, where I suffered bigotry from Rangers' fans for being English,a nd not a whiff of it from Celts for being either English or a Protestant.
Whereas nobody I've ever known has ever had a problem with either.
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That can't be right. Most Rangers fans support lots of other clubs. The UDA, the UVF, the UFF, the Red Hand Gang, the BNP, the Freemasons, the KKK, the EDL....
Meanwhile Celtic who you have some sort of a liking for have fans who have no time for the IRA, Real IRA, Con IRA, INLA, FARK, and any other left wing murder gang's.
My arse.
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I reckon this is going to get locked pretty soon.
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
Yep two sides of the same coin the bigot brothers.
The only football rivalry in Europe (maybe even the world?) based on purely sectarian lines.
Bosnians might disagree with you on that one.
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"Rangers chief executive Charles Green insists his fallen Scottish giants will be involved during the inevitable transition to a European super league."
"And, once there, he insists they will be welcomed at the top table of European football, the landscape of which will be radically altered by the demands of top clubs".
Rangers and Celtic hinted last season about joining the Premiership in England and the notions were soundly kicked into touch by the Premier League Boss Scudmore. Green somehow doesnt notice that Rangers are in the 4th tier of Scottish football at the moment. If they were somehow admitted to this European Super League they would be welcomed as the fodder.
"The club unveiled plans for admission to the Alternative Investment Market of the London Stock Exchange on Thursday in the hope of raising up to £20million. Green anticipates the exploitation of untapped revenue streams such as merchandising will help elevate Rangers back into the Scottish Premier League".
Pity they didnt think of this legitimate avenue instead of defrauding the HMRC of £20 million pounds plus through a tax scam erroneously described as 'Employee Benefit Trusts'. I think there is a company out there that would be a suitable shirt sponsors. Theyre called K-A-R-M-A.
"There will be a European league because big teams can't keep subsidising small teams like Southampton for the next 10 years because they will go stale"
By 'subsidising' I assume you mean purchasing starlets like former Saints Alex Oxlaide Chamberlain, Theo Walcott and Gareth Bale that came through their academy.
"Arsenal don't want to play Southampton or Swansea, but ask them if they want to play Celtic or Rangers"
I agree because its probably far easier for their League Cup XI to beat a Celtic or Rangers side than the Saints or Swans.
"If there are two divisions of 18 clubs, how could Rangers not be a part of that?
Oh thats easy Green - your in the 4th division of the Scottish league.
"I'm convinced it will happen because otherwise where will the revenues for the top come from"
Where they come from already - Champions League and Sky Tv money, hellooooooo.
"These days Arsenal are struggling to sell out their game against West Ham".
On planet England there is a recession that has had more double dips than a rollercoaster at Alton Towers. The Arse's tickets prices are amongst the highest in the country, indeed the first club to top £100 for a ticket.
"How can Manchester United's revenues be £320million and Aston Villa, who are completely useless, get £250?"
Let me break this down for you nice and slow Green. Sky paid £1.3 BILLION for the rights of premiership football. The competitive nature, the fact club vs club fixtures are played twice a season, the high quality of the teams (7 of the last 8 Champions League finals have been contested with an English club) and the attraction of some of the worlds best players means in comparison the English league has global coverage and the Scottish league a small haggis factory in Inverness watching.
"What Manchester United put into world football is massive, but what they take out of it is a joke and they won't put up with that for much longer."
No, especially with their leveraged buyout, perpetual re-financing of the debt laid onto the club on an annual basis and huge interest amounts repayable.
"And Aston Villa who are completely useless"
Useless as being in the top flight and not in the 4th tier of the league?
"Green revealed the club will be undertaking an institutional investor roadshow, claiming that to date there has been "strong interest"
I'd imagine HMRC is strongly showing interest too.
"Green accepted that football has endured a chequered past concerning flotations on the stock exchange, but is confident Rangers will be a success"
Given that Manchester United (the world's most profitable club) struggled on the stock exchanges recently, Im sure blue chip investors are clambering over each other to get in on this particular action of Rangers shares.
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
Rangers are not Villa and like all clubs that aren't Villa, they can fuck off.
Two quiet, but slightly sweary, voices of sanity.
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Bloody well said remy.
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
Yep two sides of the same coin the bigot brothers.
The only football rivalry in Europe (maybe even the world?) based on purely sectarian lines.
Bosnians might disagree with you on that one.
I meant club football. But thinking of it, there probably is something similar in Bosnian club football (maybe Serbian too?) you would think.
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Think Dave and King William should start a new dynasty for Royal Aston Villa and anyone slag off Villa ie Robbie Savage, Charles Green will be send to the Tower of London for treason and we will see them beheaded :)
You'd think King William being a Villa fan would endear us to Rangers.
I am no major fan of Celtic either but do believe they had players more representative of the community for several decades beforehand.
Just a few lesser lights like Jock Stein, Kenny Dalglish, Danny McGrain etc.
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
Yep two sides of the same coin the bigot brothers.
The only football rivalry in Europe (maybe even the world?) based on purely sectarian lines.
Bosnians might disagree with you on that one.
I meant club football. But thinking of it, there probably is something similar in Bosnian club football (maybe Serbian too?) you would think.
I think so and maybe in Russia aswell with the Orthadox lot and the normals.
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Not purely on sectarian lines. There are many Protestant Celtic fans. Alex Ferguson springs to mind.
Lots of people support oppressed minority causes without being part of that minority. But granted, you don't tend to find people from oppressed minorities supporting their oppressors.
See, as a Protestant I can support Celtic because they don't hate Protestants and I don't hate Catholics. But I couldn't support Rangers because I don't hate Catholics.
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Rangers have a net worth of less than £5 million.Let's see you get £20 million from investors you twat.
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I think so and maybe in Russia aswell with the Orthadox lot and the normals.
Most of the Christians in Russia are Orthadox. State church if I am not mistaken. More likely the sectarianism there would similar to Bosnia/Serbia where it is between Christians and Muslims of different ethnic groups.
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Not purely on sectarian lines. There are many Protestant Celtic fans. Alex Ferguson springs to mind.
Lots of people support oppressed minority causes without being part of that minority. But granted, you don't tend to find people from oppressed minorities supporting their oppressors.
See, as a Protestant I can support Celtic because they don't hate Protestants and I don't hate Catholics. But I couldn't support Rangers because I don't hate Catholics.
I hate everybody,it's so much easier.
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Before this thread descends into the inevitable Celtic/Rangers nonsense that comes around every other week I'd just like to say I don't give two fucks about either of them.
Oh yes. The other thing that fucks me off is those who quote religion as a reason for having an interest in either of them, but wouldn't know the way to the nearest church of their supposed faith.
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I am still a Rangers fan it is Green that made the comment
You cannot be a fan of more than one team.
You can have other teams you "support" or "follow" but you can only be a fan of one.
Fan is short for fanatic, which is a term implying utter devotion and loyalty to a cause.
Make your choice. Are you a fan of Villa or Rangers ?
Sorry but I am a Rangers FAN but I am also Villa supporter.
Season ticket holder for over thirty years.
I can not be a Rangers supporter has I did not but money trough the turnstile so I have to be a fan.
I am a fan of lots of things like Dr who but I am not fanatic.
Just because I haven't seen Dr.Who since the days of William Hartnell does not make you a better Dr.Who fan than me.
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Not purely on sectarian lines. There are many Protestant Celtic fans. Alex Ferguson springs to mind.
Lots of people support oppressed minority causes without being part of that minority. But granted, you don't tend to find people from oppressed minorities supporting their oppressors.
See, as a Protestant I can support Celtic because they don't hate Protestants and I don't hate Catholics. But I couldn't support Rangers because I don't hate Catholics.
I have a friend (Catholic) who suppors Rangers (unique ?) I never noticed this ,but my Father in Law who's late Dad supported Celtic-but he supports Hibernian pointed out that when when Man u played Celtic Ferginson wore an orange tie.
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****!
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Has anybody heard of a French rock band called Aston Villa?
Is Prince William a Villa fan? Who else is a 'celebrity' Villa fan? There's that bloke off ITV news & Tom Hanks that I can think of.
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Not purely on sectarian lines. There are many Protestant Celtic fans. Alex Ferguson springs to mind.
Lots of people support oppressed minority causes without being part of that minority. But granted, you don't tend to find people from oppressed minorities supporting their oppressors.
See, as a Protestant I can support Celtic because they don't hate Protestants and I don't hate Catholics. But I couldn't support Rangers because I don't hate Catholics.
That's excessively harsh to be honest, Percy.
To state the bleeding obvious...yes, there are some very bigoted Rangers fans, but I personally don't know any at all who actually hate Catholics.
I can see how your experience of being abused for being English by a Rangers fan will have affected your perception of their support, but I honestly think that was very unusual and very bad luck. I've never had any hassle in Glasgow from either side for being English. Plenty of light-hearted banter but genuinely nothing serious.
Now, which Scottish club did practising Catholics like Jörg Albertz and our own Carlos Cuellar play for again? Both hugely popular players at Rangers. Times really have changed and moved on a long way up here.
And just in case anyone wants to accuse me of bias - I was brought up a Catholic and used to watch Celtic when I lived up here in the mid-90s for a while. But I haven't really been bothered about Scottish football for a long, long time now. Their league's far duller even than the Sky Premier League.
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Oh yes. The other thing that fucks me off is those who quote religion as a reason for having an interest in either of them, but wouldn't know the way to the nearest church of their supposed faith.
That's something that also puzzles me. When I meet somebody quite possibly the furthest thing from my mind is what religion they are.
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I'm not overly bothered about anyone's religion. Until they try and convert/subjugate others.
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Oh yes. The other thing that fucks me off is those who quote religion as a reason for having an interest in either of them, but wouldn't know the way to the nearest church of their supposed faith.
That's something that also puzzles me. When I meet somebody quite possibly the furthest thing from my mind is what religion they are.
Well if you are a Glaswegian, then which side of the Catholic/Protestant divide is important from what I understand.
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Oh yes. The other thing that fucks me off is those who quote religion as a reason for having an interest in either of them, but wouldn't know the way to the nearest church of their supposed faith.
That's something that also puzzles me. When I meet somebody quite possibly the furthest thing from my mind is what religion they are.
Well if you are a Glaswegian, then which side of the Catholic/Protestant divide is important from what I understand.
No it isn't.
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I'm not overly bothered about anyone's religion. Until they try and convert/subjugate others.
Exactly, Lizz.
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Same time next month posters?
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I'm not overly bothered about anyone's religion. Until they try and convert/subjugate others.
Or use their religion as a basis of which football team they should support.
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I'm not overly bothered about anyone's religion. Until they try and convert/subjugate others.
Or use their religion as a basis of which football team they should support.
To be fair, I'd say that it's as good a reason as any to pick a team.
I chose Villa because my mate at school supported them.
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I'm not overly bothered about anyone's religion. Until they try and convert/subjugate others.
Or use their religion as a basis of which football team they should support.
To be fair, I'd say that it's as good a reason as any to pick a team.
I chose Villa because my mate at school supported them.
I was just thinking about how this can lead to religious prejudice getting mixed up with football rivalry, which is not healthy.
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Oh yes. The other thing that fucks me off is those who quote religion as a reason for having an interest in either of them, but wouldn't know the way to the nearest church of their supposed faith.
That's something that also puzzles me. When I meet somebody quite possibly the furthest thing from my mind is what religion they are.
Well if you are a Glaswegian, then which side of the Catholic/Protestant divide is important from what I understand.
No it isn't.
I'm only of this opinion because of what I hear from those who are from (or who have lived in) Glasgow.
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Same time next month posters?
Undoubtedly.
Where's Ryu?
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Having spent plenty of time in Glasgow both are as bad as each other despite what people who have rarely been there will insist. The other side of Glasgow though is that football and religion aside it's one of the nicest friendliest cities around.
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I'm not overly bothered about anyone's religion. Until they try and convert/subjugate others.
Or use their religion as a basis of which football team they should support.
To be fair, I'd say that it's as good a reason as any to pick a team.
I chose Villa because my mate at school supported them.
This. It is no different to choosing a team based on geographical location or because you go along with your family.
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I picked Aston Villa because of the name like Tom Hanks.
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I supported Aston Villa in the hope a giant from the world of film like Tom Hanks would support us. I feel pretty justified now.
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I picked Aston Villa because I thought Kevin Costner supported them.
Wanker
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Read the blokes comments, he is massively clutching at straws and think there is more chance of Wenger getting a blowy from Fergie than Rangers being in any super league.
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Wenger getting a blowy from Fergie would get a bigger crowd than any of Rangers games ths season.
GO Wenger, Go Wenger, Go Wenger...........
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Read the blokes comments, he is massively clutching at straws and think there is more chance of Wenger getting a blowy from Fergie than Rangers being in any super league.
Thats called 'The Hairdryer'.
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Read the blokes comments, he is massively clutching at straws and think there is more chance of Wenger getting a blowy from Fergie than Rangers being in any super league.
Thats called 'The Hairdryer'.
Is that from personal experience :)
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Read the blokes comments, he is massively clutching at straws and think there is more chance of Wenger getting a blowy from Fergie than Rangers being in any super league.
Thats called 'The Hairdryer'.
Is that from personal experience :)
I like the 'blow dry' more.
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Let's be magnanimous now, Rangers are currently well placed to secure a play off slot in the fourth tier of Scottish football, occupying a similar position to that held by the likes of Rochdale and Cheltenham in the English league's equivalent division.
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Rochdale, every time.
Rochdale 4,Glasgow, with a shitneck arse of a chairman Rangers fecking 0.
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This 'both as bad as each other' nonsense. Let's just put aside for a moment the fact that Celtic as a club have never discriminated against Protestants, while Rangers have openly discriminated against Catholics, which kills the 'both as bad' thing immediately IMO. Still, as I say, let's forget that.
Poor Catholic/Irish immigrants have been massively discriminated against by Protestants in Scotland for hundreds of years. Do people on here really think that people who hate their oppressors are as bad as those oppressors?
If a black man in Mississippi ends up hating white people because of his experiences, is he as bad as the Klan? Should Muslims not hate the EDL?
It's an interesting concept.
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I think we are completely useless. For a big city club with immense history in football we should be pulling in 60k every week and winning the League every two to three years. We have underachieved on every measure in the last 100 years.
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In a way I welcome Greens commments, it gives us the opportunity to remember the hate-filled bollocks the OF rejoice in and to voice the opinion that they should both stay and fester in Scotland. They are indeed as bad as each other.
Martin from Japan did a post years ago about how OF threads pan out over a few days, he was absolutley spot on.
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Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
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PW: perhaps you can be the first to take on the challenge of explaining how a club that has never discriminated against a particular religion is as bad as one that has.
Then maybe follow it up with an essay entitled 'Nazis and Jews: What A Load Of Bastards'.
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"These days Arsenal are struggling to sell out their game against West Ham".
If he is referring to their recent game then it was at Upton Park and not at Arsenal.
Eejit.
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The other side of Glasgow though is that football and religion aside it's one of the nicest friendliest cities around.
Some light comes through the gloom.
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I'd definitely agree with that, Rangers and Orangemen aside.
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The fact that Green named us is irrelevant. All he is doing is trying to shift £20 million of shares by suggesting to investors that the reward for a three or four year odyssey through the backwaters of Scottish football will be something other than the perennial Old Firm yawn-fest that eventually brought the original club to its knees.
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Why didn't Barry take the penalty?
Did you know there is a French Band called Aston Villa?
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Perce-I think we've already done how Mark Walters, the families of the Warrington and Omargh dead and British forces might feel about the 'folk songs' and banners in this shangri-la of the oppressed masses. Celtic might not have been so brazen about their particular brand of hatred but its there and they can keep it.
They should both stay where they are.
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Not purely on sectarian lines. There are many Protestant Celtic fans. Alex Ferguson springs to mind.
Percy, he supported Rangers as a boy, but is married to a Catholic.
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Oh okay. I'm sure I read different somewhere.
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Ferguson played for Rangers for years.
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Dave: yes, three.
PW: no excuses about the treatment of Mark Walters, disgusting.
The rest of your post refers to the response of a population to imperialism and oppression. Does a subjugated people have the right to self-determination, or to engage in armed struggle against invading forces? What if Germany had won WW2? Would there have been an English equivalent? I'd like to think so.
If so, would they have been in a position to engage in conventional warfare? I doubt it.
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In The Secret Footballer a run of games against Fulham, Wigan and Aston Villa is described as '9 points' if you are on form.
Ok, so he then says but start to look difficult if you are in need of a win but it does help illustrate how we have been seen within the game over the past couple of years.
Lambert will instil that winning mentality again and the rest can all feck off.
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Dave: yes, three.
PW: no excuses about the treatment of Mark Walters, disgusting.
The rest of your post refers to the response of a population to imperialism and oppression. Does a subjugated people have the right to self-determination, or to engage in armed struggle against invading forces? What if Germany had won WW2? Would there have been an English equivalent? I'd like to think so.
If so, would they have been in a position to engage in conventional warfare? I doubt it.
Spare us this 'subjugated people' nonsense, please.
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"These days Arsenal are struggling to sell out their game against West Ham".
If he is referring to their recent game then it was at Upton Park and not at Arsenal.
Eejit.
Pretty sure they got 60,000 for their League Cup game against Coventry, which is quite astonishing really even with price reductions.
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Dave: yes, three.
PW: no excuses about the treatment of Mark Walters, disgusting.
The rest of your post refers to the response of a population to imperialism and oppression. Does a subjugated people have the right to self-determination, or to engage in armed struggle against invading forces? What if Germany had won WW2? Would there have been an English equivalent? I'd like to think so.
If so, would they have been in a position to engage in conventional warfare? I doubt it.
Spare us this 'subjugated people' nonsense, please.
Whilst I would agree thats somewhat over the top my typical english sense of fair play can't help say that we haven't covered ourselves in glory with our involvement in Ireland over the last 400 years.
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I have nothing but contempt for Rangers. Fancy getting your tax avoidance that badly wrong. Amateurs.
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Subjugate: to bring under control and governance as a subject, esp. by conquest.
Nonsense? Over the top? A simple matter of fact?
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Ferguson played for Rangers for years.
And fell out with them because of their disgust at him daring to marry a catholic.
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In The Secret Footballer a run of games against Fulham, Wigan and Aston Villa is described as '9 points' if you are on form.
Ok, so he then says but start to look difficult if you are in need of a win but it does help illustrate how we have been seen within the game over the past couple of years.
Lambert will instil that winning mentality again and the rest can all feck off.
Big deal. We've been worse in the past and we've always bounced back.
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Ferguson played for Rangers for years.
And fell out with them because of their disgust at him daring to marry a catholic.
To whom he was married when they signed him. Ferguson says in his autobiography that he left after being dropped from the team following the 1969 SFA Cup final.
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Ferguson played for Rangers for years.
And fell out with them because of their disgust at him daring to marry a catholic.
To whom he was married when they signed him. Ferguson says in his autobiography that he left after being dropped from the team following the 1969 SFA Cup final.
He's on record saying his career at Rangers was affected because of bigots at the club didn't like that he was married to a catholic.
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Ferguson played for Rangers for years.
And fell out with them because of their disgust at him daring to marry a catholic.
To whom he was married when they signed him. Ferguson says in his autobiography that he left after being dropped from the team following the 1969 SFA Cup final.
He's on record saying his career at Rangers was affected because of bigots at the club didn't like that he was married to a catholic.
He also said in his autobiography that it made no difference. He apparently dropped an absolute bollock in that final which cost Rangers the game and that was it. Why did they sign him if his wife was a problem?
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Ferguson played for Rangers for years.
And fell out with them because of their disgust at him daring to marry a catholic.
To whom he was married when they signed him. Ferguson says in his autobiography that he left after being dropped from the team following the 1969 SFA Cup final.
He's on record saying his career at Rangers was affected because of bigots at the club didn't like that he was married to a catholic.
He also said in his autobiography that it made no difference. He apparently dropped an absolute bollock in that final which cost Rangers the game and that was it. Why did they sign him if his wife was a problem?
No idea. Perhaps they didn't know? He's certainly on record saying it was an issue though.
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No idea. Perhaps they didn't know? He's certainly on record saying it was an issue though.
You really think Rangers, the big bad Defenders of the Protestant Establishment, would sign a player without knowing something so obvious? He said it mattered in a radio interview, he said it didn't matter in his autobiography. That he played in 41 games (less than half their matches played) over two seasons is probably indicative of a player who wasn't a first team regular and got moved on. I doubt Alex bloody Ferguson is ever going to say he wasn't good enough.
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No idea. Perhaps they didn't know? He's certainly on record saying it was an issue though.
You really think Rangers, the big bad Defenders of the Protestant Establishment, would sign a player without knowing something so obvious? He said it mattered in a radio interview, he said it didn't matter in his autobiography. That he played in 41 games (less than half their matches played) over two seasons is probably indicative of a player who wasn't a first team regular and got moved on. I doubt Alex bloody Ferguson is ever going to say he wasn't good enough.
I don't think he ever claimed to be a great player. If someone like Ferguson says thre were bigots at Rangers who had a problem with his catholic wife I'd tend to believe him.
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I didn't see it.
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Didn't Fergie's brother support Celtic, which led to some difficulties when they were kids?
My understanding was always he left Rangers in the aftermath of his performance in the Scottish Cup Final. Nice to know he drew on that experience and dealt sympathetically with Jim Leighton's poor performance in the FA Cup Final 20 years later...
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So the defence of Rangers is now 'yes, we hate Catholics but we might tolerate you if you're just married to one'.
Anyone care to explain why describing the Irish in the north of Ireland as a subjugated people is nonsense?
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So the defence of Rangers is now 'yes, we hate Catholics but we might tolerate you if you're just married to one'.
Anyone care to explain why describing the Irish in the north of Ireland as a subjugated people is nonsense?
Well I'd have thought having the vote was one step to not being subjugated?
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So the defence of Rangers is now 'yes, we hate Catholics but we might tolerate you if you're just married to one'.
Anyone care to explain why describing the Irish in the north of Ireland as a subjugated people is nonsense?
Well I'd have thought having the vote was one step to not being subjugated?
Tell that to the catholic voters in Northern Ireland during the gerrymandering days.
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Is Cat Deeley a Villa fan?
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Is that the vote they got after the country was carved up so the Loyalists always win?
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Is Cat Deeley a Villa fan?
No she supports Tescos
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No idea. Perhaps they didn't know? He's certainly on record saying it was an issue though.
You really think Rangers, the big bad Defenders of the Protestant Establishment, would sign a player without knowing something so obvious? He said it mattered in a radio interview, he said it didn't matter in his autobiography. That he played in 41 games (less than half their matches played) over two seasons is probably indicative of a player who wasn't a first team regular and got moved on. I doubt Alex bloody Ferguson is ever going to say he wasn't good enough.
I saw a documentary about Ferguson and he talked about how not making it at Rangers broke his heart, but also provided the motivation that bought him his later success. No mention of any religious issues.
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Benjamin Zephaniah.
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Percy,
In 2011 57% of school children in NI were catholic and 43% Protestant. Within a decade or so Catholics should be in the voting majority, which could make Northern Irish politics even more interesting if there is a move towards unification.
Obviously constituency boundaries may not mean that a catholic majority would translate to a political majority in the short term, but there would probably be a move towards this. Keep an eye out for constituency boundary reform in the next few years.....
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skydiving santa
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Brilliant pub, packed full of Villa.
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I see we've been linked with Steve Bull, Carlton Palmer, Juninho and Benni McCarthy today.
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Maybe she couldn't draw wheelchairs?
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Pat: thanks for that. Wonder what they'll think of next?
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Is Albrighton on the bench?
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Stuart T Swann.
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Doug Ellis - Hero or Villain?
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Only 32,000? Where were you "fans" today?
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****** like Dave and Mac.
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It was an inside job. Fact.
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I wonder how many of the socialists on here support liberation struggles as long as they're far enough away?
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I support Birmingham seperating from the UK and becoming a city state like Singapore. Will you join me in this fight brother?
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Hi, first post so please be gentle with me.
Looking for cup final tickets. Please PM me if you have any spares. Will pay up to face value.
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Hi, first post so please be gentle with me.
Looking for cup final tickets. Please PM me if you have any spares. Will pay up to face value.
Check your PM.
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I wonder how many of the socialists on here support liberation struggles as long as they're far enough away?
We're getting away from the point a bit, but socialism and catholicism make for very strange bed-fellows imo. Yes, there are issues in the civil rights struggle that certainly deserved to be fought against, but I'm not so sure how willing a lot of them same people would be to offer equal rights to other minorities in society.
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I wonder how many of the socialists on here support liberation struggles as long as they're far enough away?
I'd imagine that those who don't see it as a liberation struggle don't support it.
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Rangers are not Villa and like all clubs that aren't Villa, they can fuck off.
I'll second that emotion.
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Pat: thanks for that. Wonder what they'll think of next?
I think that sometime in the next 20 years there will be a united Ireland. Sinn Fein were very smart in negotiating that NI could unite with the South after a referendum. Demographics and the weakness of the Unionists indicates that it is now a matter of when not if. If people find it funny now when Percy said the Irish were subjugated this is largely because Republicanism has made so many gains over the past couple of decades. Irish Catholics in the North were discriminated against in jobs, housing, there was a sectarian police force, an army on the streets that killed innocent demonstrators and a government that refused to negotiate with hunger strikers and allowed them to die. We could of course go further back in Irish history and to the sectarian partition of the island of Ireland itself. Significant improvements have been made because of resistance to British rule, which will hopefully end in a united and free Ireland one day.
Where's Ryu?
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Rangers are not Villa and like all clubs that aren't Villa, they can fuck off.
I'll second that emotion.
Thirded. I honestly can't fathom why people on here get so uptight about Rangers and Celtic. I bet there aren't many Glaswegians getting upset about Villa and the Blues.
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Ferguson played for Rangers for years.
And fell out with them because of their disgust at him daring to marry a catholic.
To whom he was married when they signed him. Ferguson says in his autobiography that he left after being dropped from the team following the 1969 SFA Cup final.
He's on record saying his career at Rangers was affected because of bigots at the club didn't like that he was married to a catholic.
He also said in his autobiography that it made no difference. He apparently dropped an absolute bollock in that final which cost Rangers the game and that was it. Why did they sign him if his wife was a problem?
If I recall correctly, there was a smear campaign against him around that time within the club which were spreading rumours that his child was going to be brought up a Catholic. I doubt that this was the main reason he left though and his error in the '69 cup final was a bigger contributing factor.
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I support Birmingham seperating from the UK and becoming a city state like Singapore. Will you join me in this fight brother?
What will you call yourself? The BLA (Brummie Liberation Army), the BRA (Brummie Republican Army) or even the BDL (Brummie Defence League)?
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People's Judaean Front
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People's Judaean Front
Drip, drip, drip.
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I support Birmingham seperating from the UK and becoming a city state like Singapore. Will you join me in this fight brother?
What will you call yourself? The BLA (Brummie Liberation Army), the BRA (Brummie Republican Army) or even the BDL (Brummie Defence League)?
It's got to be BRA hasn't it? Snigger, snigger.
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Gay mafia.
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I wonder how many of the socialists on here support liberation struggles as long as they're far enough away?
As long as its to overthrow the yoke of of oppression then I'm all for it anywhere. Apart from the Feckin Irish.
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Birmingham Unionist Movement
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Think Dave and King William should start a new dynasty for Royal Aston Villa and anyone slag off Villa ie Robbie Savage, Charles Green will be send to the Tower of London for treason and we will see them beheaded :)
Hung, drawn and quatered would be a more apt punishment...it will take longer and be more painful :-)
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The dickhead is chairman of Rangers....he's clearly able to spot a decent club.
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I don't believe a fucking word Fergie says.
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Think Dave and King William should start a new dynasty for Royal Aston Villa and anyone slag off Villa ie Robbie Savage, Charles Green will be send to the Tower of London for treason and we will see them beheaded :)
Hung, drawn and quatered would be a more apt punishment...it will take longer and be more painful :-)
I wouldn't mind being dragged through the city with your testicles in your mouth. Like Guyfaulkes (I think?). Although I assume Savage's testicles are already in his mouth judging by the amount of bollocks that comes out of it.
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Birmingham Unionist Movement
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Birmingham Association for a Separation Treaty And Related DemandS
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There's always a rat in separate.
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There's always a rat in separate.
Oops
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Dear Irish Republican Villans. Just because the Rangers Chairman makes a bloody fool of himself about football doesnt mean I would like you to come on here with your political views and get my back up and possibly others who also have different views to yours.
I come here to read about football, I hope you do too. If you could do me a favour and keep it about football I would appreciate it. I am not a mod, just a fellow Villa supporter asking you.
Thanks.
Ciggies.
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Uh-oh.
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Just a request. Same goes for folks on the Unionist side.
There is enough to get mad about supporting Aston Villa, we dont need to get doubly mad by bringing politics into it.
And I want to end on something funny to lighten the mood, err <insert witty joke here> :)
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Damon, has the *gay mafia had any effect on your career prospects?
Drip,drip.
*distraction technique called for here, it really is about to kick off.