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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on August 24, 2012, 07:46:53 AM
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Available Saturday afternoon.
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Setting off now for VP. I think it will be a draw but can I make a plea to people on here that do not panic/slash wrists/abuse board if we lose. Last season we had 4 points from first two games and than.....it went belly up.
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Indeed, we saw last week that Everton are a solid team this year and it will be no tragedy if we were to loose.
say it quietly but starting with two losses might not be he end of the world if it encourages Randy to find more money for transfers.
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Team news?
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@AVFCOfficial: VILLA: Given, Lowton, Vlaar, Clark, Baker, Herd, N'Zogbia, KEA, Bannan, Delfouneso, Bent. #AVFC #AVFCLIVE
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Setting off now for VP. I think it will be a draw but can I make a plea to people on here that do not panic/slash wrists/abuse board if we lose. Last season we had 4 points from first two games and than.....it went belly up.
I'm afraid that will fall on deaf ears if we get anything but a win.
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No Delph is a surprise! Bannan in for Holman isn't particularly surprising, though good. Fonz in for Ireland is interesting. Clear midfield diamond thing going on with Zog at the tip of it, Herd bustling around and KEA and Bannan keeping the ball.
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But surprised by the team news to be honest. Ireland on the bench in particular. Looks like bannan left and CNZ right? Or could it be more of a 433 or diamond with CNZ more fwd / behind the strikers?
I guess we'll have to get used to constant team changes!!
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Attacking set up. Chance for Fonz here and Bannan.
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What's the bench? Hope Ireland hasn't being behaving badly. Delighted for Fonz getting a chance. Gives him a chance to show the majority of people on here who don't rate him.
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Yeh , my best guess would be:
Herd, KEA, bannan - CNZ - fonz, bent
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Looks an attacking team, which should keep the ball pretty well.
BIG game for The Fonz.
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..and we aall thought Delfouneso was off becuase his number 14 shirt was given to Holman. I still think theres a good player there.
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Come on you Villa boys.
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No Delph is a surprise! Bannan in for Holman isn't particularly surprising, though good. Fonz in for Ireland is interesting. Clear midfield diamond thing going on with Zog at the tip of it, Herd bustling around and KEA and Bannan keeping the ball.
I thought Delph and Holman were poor against West Ham, so not surprised they're both on the bench. N'Zogbia was as well but I suppose we do need some attacking intent.
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I think Herd will be interesting. Probably in because Lambert looked at the game Monday and realised that a midfield of even United's talent level couldn't do without that tenacity which Herd will bring to the team. Hopefully he can unsettle them in midfield - and get up Fellaini's nose a bit!
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I guess we'll have to get used to constant team changes!!
Already an improvement on the MON era.
I thought Delph would drop down and Bannan would come in but surprised to see Ireland drop down. About time we used a little more rotation.
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I think Herd's really the one 'in for' Delph, but it's a change of shape as well so straight swaps are hard to say.
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Swansea have shown today that you don't need big players to be a good PL team. They have had 71% possession in the second half and their current move is about 40 consecutive passes. They have nearly completed 500 passes in this game with 15 minutes to go.
Lambert has stressed possession and converting that possession into goals as Swansea have done. It will take a while and Everton will be tough. But we can do it, and Bent is a much better striker than anything Swansea have so we need to find a way of getting it to him, this game and throughout this season.
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I think Herd might be in to compete with Fellani as well. Him and KEA sitting, Fonz and Zog off Bent with Bannan in behind where Ireland was would be my guess. Good for Lambert changing it round. They created very little last week, give others a go.
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Swansea have shown today that you don't need big players to be a good PL team. They have had 71% possession in the second half and their current move is about 40 consecutive passes. They have nearly completed 500 passes in this game with 15 minutes to go.
Lambert has stressed possession and converting that possession into goals as Swansea have done. It will take a while and Everton will be tough. But we can do it, and Bent is a much better striker than anything Swansea have so we need to find a way of getting it to him, this game and throughout this season.
Totally. West Ham are more self-consciously anti-possession than Everton, who mix the physicality with passing and are just better, but the essentials of skill and hard work against physicality are ones I agree with there.
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Just occurred to me that there are 5 home grown players in that line up. That's something to be proud of, but also a concern against a very experienced high quality Everton side.
I'm looking forward to the game, but there's a chance we're going to get a bit of a lesson here I reckon.
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Herd is brilliant in the air, I'd imagine that's the reasoning behind this. I though Delph was our best player against West Ham. Still, Lambert knows more than I do.
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Herd is brilliant in the air, I'd imagine that's the reasoning behind this. I though Delph was our best player against West Ham. Still, Lambert knows more than I do.
Don't you just love being able to say that about your manager! Such a relief.
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Don't jinx it guys!
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Don't jinx it guys!
In fairness, win or lose, right or wrong, I'm confident Lambert is doing and will do a better job than any of us ever could. Which might indicate low standards, but it is a nice change.
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I think Herd will be interesting. Probably in because Lambert looked at the game Monday and realised that a midfield of even United's talent level couldn't do without that tenacity which Herd will bring to the team. Hopefully he can unsettle them in midfield - and get up Fellaini's nose a bit!
The sandgroper. He's reasonably hard for a kid who is partial to an alice band.
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I think Herd will be interesting. Probably in because Lambert looked at the game Monday and realised that a midfield of even United's talent level couldn't do without that tenacity which Herd will bring to the team. Hopefully he can unsettle them in midfield - and get up Fellaini's nose a bit!
The sandgroper. He's reasonably hard for a kid who is partial to an alice band.
Frankly he's hard enough to get away with the alice band, which is saying something.
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Not sure about Delph being left out the team but we will see...
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any streams available?
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Harsh on Delph to be dropped. Personally I'd have kept him in and left BB on the bench.
Still, good team. Fonzie has had a pretty good pre-season, so deserves a go. Important season for him. He's got the ability, he just needs to show more determination and a bit more umph. Quite fancy him to score today actually. With all the onus on Benty, Fonzie might find himself some space. He's a pretty good finisher too when he gets a sniff.
Ireland out does not surprise me. He was pretty poor. Started brightly but as per normal just disappeared out of the game. There was a lot of pressure on him to make things happen, to get up and support Bent but he did none of that. I can barely remember him making a run into the box, which is supposed to be the mans forte. I also think tactically, it's quite hard to find a place for Ireland. He has a position he likes and wants to float, but I just don't think he's flexible enough himself for the team. He's spoken out about having to play wide left or right, but you play where you're told. End of.
N'Zog owes us a big performance. He was dire last week. He's been piss-poor since he joined us, but the fact remains, he's arguably the one player we have capable of just creating something out of absolutely nothing. He could ghost through 4 players and spank a screamer, 25 yards in the top corner...or he could do naff all.
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Right, let's go you Villa boys!
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Come on me babbies!
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Come on Villa
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Looks a good crowd
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Good start Fonz!
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Manure are losing
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Afternoon folks, interesting line up, I suppose PL needs to see who can cut it in proper competitive matches over the next few weeks.
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Feck
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Bollocks.
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Bollocks so are we
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Fucking hell
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For fucks sake, good goal though
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Balls. Great goal
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Bloody hell. There was no stopping that.
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Fuck! Gotta hold your hands up though. Great play.
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stuggling to find a stream for this
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Bannan just beat Fellaini to a header. Surreal.
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Does Charlie N'Z look heavier than normal? He doesn't seem as quick as he has in previous years either.
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Everton look tidy to be fair
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A least man u as still below us!
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A least man u as still below us!
Not any more.
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Not enough bodies in midfield. Need to get narrower and give each other options.
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Im stil going with my initial prediction of 2-1 come onnnnnn!!
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Clark has got to cut out these clumsy challenges.
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Can't let our heads get down. Toffees lpok confident. Need to steady the tide for 10 minutes
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What a goal by RVP!
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Zog looks like Vassell
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A draw would be good against Everton. They will be above us so we as long as we can get something at teams like Norwich, West Ham etc ;)
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These balls over the top aren't working. More options in midfield for God's sake!
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We seem to be playing pretty directly? Lack of confidence?
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An early goal against us was just about the last thing we needed. All the confidence will go out of the window. If Lerner doesn't stump up for new players, we're in for a long, hard season.
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Given should have done better for the goal.
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Can't believe three of the midland radio stations are covering The Baggies.
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These balls over the top aren't working. More options in midfield for God's sake!
Sounds like more of the same. I'm really concerned that the squad is way too lightweight - the midfield today looks easy to bully.
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Cresswell scores an OG for Ipswich
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Given should have done better for the goal.
Was a good strike to be fair
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Cresswell scores an OG for Ipswich
Sign him up!
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Being comprehensively outplayed.
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We're gonna get someone sent off at this rate. Midfield isn't working at all. Might be time for a lambert tactical switch?
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These balls over the top aren't working. More options in midfield for God's sake!
Sounds like more of the same. I'm really concerned that the squad is way too lightweight - the midfield today looks easy to bully.
It's not size, it's numbers. They're just not giving each other options and we're getting forced back. It's really, really annoying.
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Given should have done better for the goal.
Was a good strike to be fair
Yeah it was but it wasn't exactly top corner. It was pretty central and a good height to save. Given will be annoyed at himself. Maybe he was unsighted.
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Glad I can't see it from the comments so far.
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Fucking hell we need to pull ourselves together here.
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Should have been 2 nil
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Very good side indeed. We'll get no time on the ball like last week. Trouble right now is it's a case of men against boys. We're lacking the experienced head, especially in the middle, who can try and re-take hold of the game.
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An early goal against us was just about the last thing we needed. All the confidence will go out of the window. If Lerner doesn't stump up for new players, we're in for a long, hard season.
As I said on the transfer thread yesterday.
We are now depending on Lambert being an MON type 'getting the best from average players' type manager.
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How isolated does Bent look, definatley needs more support up front
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Quite frankly, this is fucking shite.
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Seriously, what is with all these aimless balls over the top? Pish so far lads. Did somebody say Delfoneso was playing today?
And Charles NZogbia?
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A bit better
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Quite frankly, this is fucking shite.
Keep the faith!
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We're playing with two wide players and two forwards and it's not bloody working. Zog needs to stop going wide.
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We're getting more into this now, starting to look more comfortable.
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Better. Will anything ever go right for CNZ though?
19th min well acknowledged too. Great to see!
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Very good side indeed. We'll get no time on the ball like last week. Trouble right now is it's a case of men against boys. We're lacking the experienced head, especially in the middle, who can try and re-take hold of the game.
Fucking hell we're playing Everton here? Men against boys, God help us when we play any of the top 5.
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If CN'Z was a goat he would be staked out and sacrificed for the common good.
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Not watching but wonder if Bannan can handle the physical presence of the opponent...
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Very good side indeed. We'll get no time on the ball like last week. Trouble right now is it's a case of men against boys. We're lacking the experienced head, especially in the middle, who can try and re-take hold of the game.
Agree, someone like Nzonzi would be a useful bit of presence there. Not sure what formation we are playing and it seems the players dont either. Centre back partnership looks shaky too. Poor effort of a block by Vlaar for the goal
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Everton look good don't they? We look crap in central midfield. We don't have one central midfielder who really knows what it takes int the epl. That such a risk
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We really do lack 2 or 3 real quality players out there. The midfield looks so unbalanced.
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More players please, Randy. I'm sick to death of Villa being a shit team. Five home grown players are out there today, that's great, but they're inexperienced and getting beaten every fucking week isn't going to help their confidence much. Meanwhile, the team has been shorn of it's best players and adequate replacements haven't been signed.
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Darren Gibson hasn't been beaten in his last 30 games. Randy, sign him up!!!
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Everton look good don't they? We look crap in central midfield. We don't have one central midfielder who really knows what it takes int the epl. That such a risk
They've got no support really. Zog keeps going wide and we're getting outnumbered.
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need to make these set pieces count
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not surprised we want to sign cresswell, he's just scored. sadly or his own team. our kind of guy.
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Can't help but think of Unlucky Alf when I look at CNZ play.
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Very good side indeed. We'll get no time on the ball like last week. Trouble right now is it's a case of men against boys. We're lacking the experienced head, especially in the middle, who can try and re-take hold of the game.
Fucking hell we're playing Everton here? Men against boys, God help us when we play any of the top 5.
Everton - average finish over last 8 seasons = Sixth.
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I maintain we need a left back, creative midfielder and a striker.
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You can't just take a side that has nearly been relegated and just change the manager and expect miracles. We need some better players because that's a right load of old dross out there.
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Hmm, I want N'Zogbia to do well but...
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Kea really struggling with the pace of the game.
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Lowton looking good.
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We were already struggling in midfield last season so why we didn't strengthen still confuses me? As a journalist in The Mail said the other day why buy Lowton if money is so tight when we already have players who can play there?
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Another shit free kick
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We look a bit impotent.
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Can no one take a decent fucking set piece in our side?
We've got no pace in the team either.
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This really is poor, so far worse than v Everton at home last season.
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Can no one take a decent fucking set piece in our side?
We've got no pace in the team either.
Been saying it for ages. We really are dreadfully slow almost everywhere.
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Not a good attempt to control by Bent.
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This is absolutely desperate
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I hope Paul Lambert is not suffering from epl second season syndrome.
Lets make this free kick count
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The transition to what Lambert wants is going to be rough at times. We do need some help next week in a bad way.
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Herd looks good.
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Crap!
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What match this season will we score in?
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If I was Paul Lambert I'd throw a Keeganesque stop and threaten to fuck off unless some decent money is forthcoming.
ANOTHER shit set play! FFS!
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First thing Monday we need to be doing free kick practice.
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Oh fuck off Given!
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For fuck's sake.
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Bollocks
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Fucking bollocks
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shit from Given there
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Bugger bugger bugger
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We are rubbish....McLeish must be pissing his pants.
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Good effort Shay, drop him that is absolutely appalling.
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Game over
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Cursed us.......... Sorrrry
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Maybe Gobby Cabbage had a point!
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That's shocking goalkeeping I'm afraid
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What on earth was that from Given?
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I'm sorry, that's just absolutely not good enough.
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If I was Paul Lambert I'd throw a Keeganesque stop and threaten to fuck off unless some decent money is forthcoming.
ANOTHER shit set play! FFS!
We've had nobodt since Ash and Downing left, and even they weren't great. Is it too much to ask a professional football player to deliver a decent cross or corner? The ball isn't even fucking moving.
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We are going to really struggle in this league this time around. Embarrassingly bad this.
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Given for fucks sake, he needs to be dropped
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That is some of the worst goalkeeping I've ever seen.
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Oh sweet baby jesus and the orphans, this goes from bad to worse.
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Let's give Guzan a go...
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Worse keeping you'll see all year!
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We were already struggling in midfield last season so why we didn't strengthen still confuses me? As a journalist in The Mail said the other day why buy Lowton if money is so tight when we already have players who can play there?
We already have players who can play in midfield too, so what's that saying? The manager has to call it the way he sees it, and maybe he expected Mutton to go when he made that signing.
Shit! 2-0, well I expected to lose today, just don't want it to be a rout!
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Oh given for fucks sake. Got to be game over now
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Let's give Guzan a go...
Defiantly! At half time
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Said it before but Given is way past it, was last season, was at the Euro Champs and is...well....now! This is going to be a slog unless we sign almost 5 players.
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game over.
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Blimey. Is it really this bad?
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That is some of the worst goalkeeping I've ever seen.
Given is a fucking liability. Never mind, he only has another four years on his ridiculous contract to go.
Oh and Pelty if you're reading this: bollocks!
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Fuck sake. Utter shit.
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Have we created a chance yet? One?
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That is some of the worst goalkeeping I've ever seen.
Given is a fucking liability. Never mind, he only has another four years on his ridiculous contract to go.
Oh and Pelty if you're reading this: bollocks!
To be honest anybody who is able bodied should have saved that.
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0 shots
0 shots on goal
Everton 6 shots + 3 on goal.
What a great start to the season.
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flippin heck that was terrible
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Well this is absolutely awful!! If this is what we have to go with till jan then we will actually go down this year.
This alone should spur serious incomings this week, if not then god help us
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I bet that utter fucking prick Savage is creaming himself over this as he looks himself in the mirror for the 7th consecutive hour.
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Awful. Generous of the commentator to make some excuses for Given. There's no excuse. Piss poor. This is far too easy for Everton. They're not loaded with spectacular players or anything but we really do lack players like Jag, Osman, Baines, and Fellaini. They've got some quality with Pienaar and Jelavic too. Hell we could do with someone like Phil Neville. He's a captain. Darren Bent isn't.
Cheque book time Randy. We spend now, or you risk relegation. Simple as. We're being outclassed.
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Has Bent touched the ball yet?
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Worse keeping you'll see all year!
You obviously missed the Irish keeper at Euro2012. He was shocking.
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We have been absolutely hammered here. Open the cheque book Randy, let's not kid ourselves.
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We need to bring on one of the big hitters from the bench. Oh
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I honestly think a large part of our problem is that too many of the players are just not very good. We're in denial about the quality of some of them.
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I bet that utter fucking prick Savage is creaming himself over this as he looks himself in the mirror for the 7th consecutive hour.
The worst thing is that he's right. We've no quality, cohesion or quality.
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Blimey. Is it really this bad?
we've hardly had a kick. everton are passing it around for fun. could be a real pasting.
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We have been absolutely hammered here. Open the cheque book Randy, let's not kid ourselves.
Depressed and its first home game of the season
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Let's not joke around here, most of our kids are just not up to this level at all. I'm not happy saying that, but some of them have been around a while now and not come on at all.
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Game over indeed, newcastle next week, bottom of the league. Relegation a near certainty unless something very very drastic happens next week...
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We're seeing the uselessness of 4-4-2 and the uselessness of N'Zogbia. The midfield has no support on the ball, and neither does Bent.
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If we are in a relegation fight next April it will be Randy getting the abuse McLeish got at home v Bolton.
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We're being filletted here. I think we are going to lose by more than two.
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The thing is I don't think anybody thought things could get worse? First home game of the season and we're saying game over after forty minutes against a decent team.
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I honestly think a large part of our problem is that too many of the players are just not very good. We're in denial about the quality of some of them.
Exactly. Our much vaunted youth team hasn't produced anybody of real quality for years. None of Bannan, Clark, Albrighton or Baker would get anyway near the Everton first team.
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Given by Given.
Villa remind me of Finland. Playing ok but lapses of concentration in own end and no penetration in the other end brings destruction. So it looks as they're is playing ok with possession in easy areas etc but actually they're just shit.
Is it just me or is there a severe lack of wanting the ball and movement off the ball to get it in the midfield?
I honestly think a large part of our problem is that too many of the players are just not very good. We're in denial about the quality of some of them.
Agreed. It's soon time for a rude awakening.
There's a hole on the field in front of midfield, no one in the hole.
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Well this is absolutely awful!! If this is what we have to go with till jan then we will actually go down this year.
This alone should spur serious incomings this week, if not then god help us
I can see us going down, seriously. There just aren't the players there.
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I've not seen us this outplayed at home by a team outside the sky glamour sides for a while. We've barely had a kick
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Well this is one Australian resident who's just decided sleep is more important. Goodnight.
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wage bill under control, wage bill wage bill under control
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It really isn't very much of an exaggeration to say we've barely touched the ball.
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Need luck to go are way.
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I think the relegation talk is a bit premature
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I honestly think a large part of our problem is that too many of the players are just not very good. We're in denial about the quality of some of them.
Agreed. Too many passengers and nowhere near the quality we need to be competitive in the premier league.
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I've not seen us this outplayed at home by a team outside the sky glamour sides for a while. We've barely had a kick
Swansea last season was worse.
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Can't believe it, im actually thinking Savage could be right. We need about 5 or 6 players, dunno about just 2 or 3.
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I honestly think a large part of our problem is that too many of the players are just not very good. We're in denial about the quality of some of them.
Exactly. Our much vaunted youth team hasn't produced anybody of real quality for years. None of Bannan, Clark, Albrighton or Baker would get anyway near the Everton first team.
Indeed, and I think of those Clark is the only one who might be quality.
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Sooner or later Jelavic will get a chance, and he'll probably take it.
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I honestly think a large part of our problem is that too many of the players are just not very good. We're in denial about the quality of some of them.
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Spot on as ever. Most of the youngsters are hugely over hyped
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We have no quality on the ball at all. No one has that spark or vision, the technical side of our game is on par with a league 2 team. No manager can sort this bunch out, the kids with potential are not kids anymore and in my eyes have never been all that. Randy you really need to get some cash out and provided Lambert with some pure footballers.
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I've not seen us this outplayed at home by a team outside the sky glamour sides for a while. We've barely had a kick
Did you miss our capitulation against the mighty Swansea last season?
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WTF was that from Bannan? Swinging his leg at it like that? He's supposed to be cultured.
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I think the relegation talk is a bit premature
I don't. I'm so very glad I don't feel the same about the game anymore, my weekend would be ruined.
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A shit team playing shit.
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OK now we are fucked.
We need better players in this team its that simple. A good manager can only do so much, he can't transform players who just simply aren't up to the mark. A team that has struggled badly last 2 seasons need vast improvements if they want to progress.
We can't expect to do much with this current team, we need improvements. I hope this is a wake up call pulling their finger out and get busy with 6 days of the transfer window remaining.
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I've not seen us this outplayed at home by a team outside the sky glamour sides for a while. We've barely had a kick
Did you miss our capitulation against the mighty Swansea last season?
I did, this is worse.
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Let's not joke around here, most of our kids are just not up to this level at all. I'm not happy saying that, but some of them have been around a while now and not come on at all.
Well up until now, Bannan, Clark and Baker have been fine. It's the older players that look like the weak line. N'Zogbia should be no where near the first team.
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I think the relegation talk is a bit premature
I don't. I'm so very glad I don't feel the same about the game anymore, my weekend would be ruined.
That is very true, thank god for apathy!
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I honestly think a large part of our problem is that too many of the players are just not very good. We're in denial about the quality of some of them.
Exactly. Our much vaunted youth team hasn't produced anybody of real quality for years. None of Bannan, Clark, Albrighton or Baker would get anyway near the Everton first team.
Indeed, and I think of those Clark is the only one who might be quality.
It's true. Of all our players coming through I don't rate any of them as potentially top 5 quality. Clark at a push may be the next Cahill, but that aside, at best we've got potentially mid-level Prem players coming through. That's being generous.
In all honesty I don't see Fonz making it in the top flight. I don't think Bannan will. Herd, through graft more than quality, will probably last in the prem, but he's lower-mid table standard.
I cannot fathom how Randy thinks we'll get by like we are.
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You'd be forgiven forgetting Delfouneso is on the pitch. And he's not the only one.
The squad is just not good enough, plain and simple.
PL needs time to get things working the way he wants them to, but he's going to be constrained by working with what is, in all honesty, one of the worst squads in the top flight.
If anything sums up the piss poor way the club has been run for too long now, it is the fact that we spent all that money to end up with such a weak squad,
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OK now we are fucked.
We need better players in this team its that simple. A good manager can only do so much, he can't transform players who just simply aren't up to the mark. A team that has struggled badly last 2 seasons need vast improvements if they want to progress.
We can't expect to do much with this current team, we need improvements. I hope this is a wake up call pulling their finger out and get busy with 6 days of the transfer window remaining.
You see the last sentence is why things look so bleak..... 6 days to sort things out when they've had three months.
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N'Zogbia, you are just a brainless journeyman.
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I'm at VP. We're are shockingly poor. Cannot get the ball, let alone hold on to it. At least when McTwat was in charge we had someone to blame.
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Let's not joke around here, most of our kids are just not up to this level at all. I'm not happy saying that, but some of them have been around a while now and not come on at all.
Well up until now, Bannan, Clark and Baker have been fine. It's the older players that look like the weak line. N'Zogbia should be no where near the first team.
Nope but that's just it they haven't. They were all part of the side that got roundly hammered last year, but because they're youngsters we've wanted to turn a blind eye.
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Everton haven't had a pot to piss in for years, but are still up there while we've regressed alarmingly.
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Glad I can't watch this.
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I can only hope we beat Tranmere in the week and start our season then, but this is shocking
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ffs
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Three minutes til some pretty loud boos I'm guessing. When was the last time the crowd at VP had soemthing to be happy about!
Fuck, 3-0, game over.
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Fuck sticks and candles
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My christ, get the fucking cheque book out Lerner this is an utter disaster.
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Sooner or later Jelavic will get a chance, and he'll probably take it.
This
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Relegation year i feel. Awful Awful Awful! NOT 1 SHOT ON TARGET!
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fuckin embarrassing, turning it off now, wank wank wank
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This is even worse than last season.
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That's that.
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Fuck sake.
Ok, I hope Lerner puts his hand deep into his pocket. Embarrassed. We are one of the worst in the league, look at the way Swansea hammered West Ham.
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Fuck off everybody in this team. No pressure. No energy. No movement. Just shit shit shit shit shit shit shit and some more shit.
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Well this is fun.
A fair reflection on the play
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Sooner or later Jelavic will get a chance, and he'll probably take it.
And tonights lottery numbers as well please.
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Ridiculous excuse of a team.
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We don't belong in the Premiership on this sort of performance, absolutely appalling
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This is as bad as any performance under McLeish if not worse. Feel good factor gone.
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My christ, get the fucking cheque book out Lerner this is an utter disaster.
Way too late, we will be paying massively over the odds as we are now desperate.
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If any good comes of today then it has to be Randy opening up his wallet.
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N'Zogbia useless, Baker, Fonz, Bannan will never make it. Herd and Clark may do, but odds looking against it at the moment and Given is hopeless.
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Just got back from holiday. I think I'm going to go back.
What the fuck is going on?
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Bollocks.
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Not many positives today... erm none in fact
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This half has been worse than any from last season.
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OH MY GOD, we're making Everton look like fucking Barcelona....every single player on that pitch look shit. I fear Lambert trying to change everything so sudden is going to backfire.
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Fuck sake.
Ok, I hope Lerner puts his hand deep into his pocket. Embarrassed. We are one of the worst in the league, look at the way Swansea hammered West Ham.
To be honest, I hope he just sells up and fucks off. The useless c***.
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That's been coming. I knew it would happen. He's been floating everywhere. Cracking player I have to say.
We haven't had a single shot yet. At home. It's disgraceful. Basically we've a side of untried youngens/foreigners, who might potentially be mid-table level. It's not good enough.
EDIT. Oooh a shot.
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Woohoo. A shot.
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Game over for today. To turn around the team from last season and the one before will take time. The manager needs to be afforded it, and the players need time to prove they can play in the new systems too. We will lose games along the way, but we shouldn't be panicking yet.
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At least we might buy some players now. We look in real trouble with this lot. Dread to think what's going to happen in the second half and at st James's
First shot on target of the season?
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Buy good players next week please, this is pathetic.
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woeful
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One good goal, but I'm afraid two crap goals and not good enough play.
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If any good comes of today then it has to be Randy opening up his wallet.
Wallet shut for good and we owe all the money to him anyway
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Can someone please wake us from this nightmare.
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All Randy Lerner's fault, I'm afraid to say. We should never be in a position where we're desperate for competent football players less than a week before the close of the summer transfer window. Very shoddy stewardship indeed.
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OH MY GOD, we're making Everton look like fucking Barcelona....every single player on that pitch look shit. I fear Lambert trying to change everything so sudden is going to backfire.
Yeah but what is there that he shouldn't have changed from last season? It's not as if we've lost some good habits we had.
The squad needs a large infusion of money, and very quickly. Lerner and Faulkner can pretend all they like that we are turning into Ajax relying on kids, but that is only going to end up in one place. A bad one.
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This is as bad as any performance under McLeish if not worse. Feel good factor gone.
THIS!!! Fucking shocking!!! The summer break has made me forget until now just how much I hate the lot of them!
Randy Lerner!! You better do something this week or say buy buy to your 'premiership' club
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We really need some premier league quality players coming in or we are going to be relegated.
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Hopefully this sort of performance can be used to show PL how terrible we was last season and what needs to be done to turn things around.
That is the most positive thing I can think of?
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Game over for today. To turn around the team from last season and the one before will take time. The manager needs to be afforded it, and the players need time to prove they can play in the new systems too. We will lose games along the way, but we shouldn't be panicking yet.
Yes we should. Our players are almost to a man, not up to it. Alex Ferguson or Mourinho wouldn't get this lot up to midtable.
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It's just so obvious though. How can you expect a team made up by players who have fought relegation 2 seasons in a row to get any better? These players have contributed to those struggling seasons, its not just previous managers.
Now 3-0 down. An absolute shambles. Just no words except SPEND SOME MONEY ON GOOD PLAYERS WE DESPERATELY NEED OTHERWISE WE WILL BE FIGHTING RELEGATION FOR A THIRD SEASON. THIS TEAM IS JUST NOT VERY GOOD. WE NEED IMPROVEMENTS, BIG IMPROVEMENTS.
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Relying on the youngsters clearly is not an option, it's sad but they are not good enough. A lot of them have had more than a season in the squad and they haven't come on at all. You can add the odd youngster to a good squad, or bring in youngsters if they're outstanding and we have neither.
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We're are bottom of the Prem. on goal difference.
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Fuck sake.
Ok, I hope Lerner puts his hand deep into his pocket. Embarrassed. We are one of the worst in the league, look at the way Swansea hammered West Ham.
To be honest, I hope he just sells up and fucks off. The useless c***.
I don't think it will make much difference this season now that fucking dumb and dumber have pissed about for the last two months when it comes to sorting the team out. Shocking this early into a season........... Lerner employed McLeish so he had a scapegoat for last season surely he can't get away with it for another season.
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Fuck sake.
Ok, I hope Lerner puts his hand deep into his pocket. Embarrassed. We are one of the worst in the league, look at the way Swansea hammered West Ham.
sadly , this, in a nutshell! WEe can all blame o neill houllier and mcleish but the man who should be blamed most for this clubs sorry state is mr randy lerner.
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Bakers not a left back, Clarkes a weak centreback, Lowton has made the jump up from 2 leagues, El Ahmadi looks lost, Herd offers nothing wide, N'Zogbia hasnt got a head...one of the poorest Villa teams I have ever seen. Randy it all falls at your feet son, what do you really want out of this...too watch us all suffer!!??
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Zero our of 10 so far for all of our players. I really can't be bothered to watch Charles Nzogbia playing for us anymore. He is a complete waste of skin and Wigan must be pissing themselves we paid £10m for his 'services'. God awful.
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And yet there are people who criticize others for not being positive and optimistic!!!
We are shit and going down and anybody who thinks anything else needs to take the tinted specs off. This is an awful Villa side, look at the line up ffs!! A mixture of very average youth players that will never make it and a few over paid, over rated older pros who couldn't give a fuck. Oh and Nathan (League 1 player at best) Delfouneso.
Rubbish.
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ok its comeback time , who will give me odds on 3 all ? can we start again and pretend it is July
olympics olympics olympics
:'(
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Utter shite.
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How will that work? They've looked like our only two players capable of trapping a football.
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Fuck sake.
Ok, I hope Lerner puts his hand deep into his pocket. Embarrassed. We are one of the worst in the league, look at the way Swansea hammered West Ham.
To be honest, I hope he just sells up and fucks off. The useless c***.
As I said earlier, come April, if we are in a relegation dogfight Lerner will be getting the vitriol McLeish took against Bolton at home.
We are a shambles.
Does anybody think we are better off now than we were circa 2005/06?
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Six days of window to potentially save our season. It needs to happen now. If we get to jan in the mire, then we can't attract good players, and they'd need to settle immediately to save our bacon. A reasonable start last season essentially saved us from going down. We're starting badly this season. This does not look good.
We need 3-4 decent players. Finished articles. Players who've done the business in this league. Other clubs can see that, so why can't Randy? Makes me sick seeing O Neill basically given the license he had with us 4-5 years ago at a new club and he's going to have a side 15-20 points better off than we are come the end of the season. Makes me sick.
I've had enough for today.
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On my Hols in Spain - think I will go & glare at some Germans by the pool in an attempt to cheer myself up!
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Given OFF Baker OFF Lowton OFF Vlaar OFF Clark OFF N'Zogbia OFF Bannan OFF Herd OFF KEA OFF Delfouneso OFF Bent Off
Lights OFF
let's close the place up, this is over.
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I hope he substitutes Given at half time. That twat needs a does of the Hutton and Warnock treatment.
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I think the relegation talk is a bit premature
I don't. I'm so very glad I don't feel the same about the game anymore, my weekend would be ruined.
Same here.
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This has Brian littles 4-0 home defeat to Blackburn feel about it
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That was absolutely useless. Given is totally past it. Baker looks like he isnt sure what a football is. Bannan, for all his attempted creativity, is about as useful as a chocolate kettle. El Ahmadi looks about 10 yeards off the pace, NZ is just a liability and the rest arent a lot better.
That team needs about 20-30 million investment in it; a left back, a centre mid, at least 2 creative mids and a striker. hello championship and its only 2 games in!
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How will that work? They've looked like our only two players capable of trapping a football.
Bannan has been woeful. Completely useless.
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Given OFF Baker OFF Lowton OFF Vlaar OFF Clark OFF N'Zogbia OFF Bannan OFF Herd OFF KEA OFF Delfouneso OFF Bent Off
Lights OFF
let's close the place up, this is over.
To be honest, if we just forfeited the game right now the result would be the same.
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How will that work? They've looked like our only two players capable of trapping a football.
Bannan has been woeful. Completely useless.
But he's had no support and other players have been worse.
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And yet there are people who criticize others for not being positive and optimistic!!!
We are shit and going down and anybody who thinks anything else needs to take the tinted specs off. This is an awful Villa side, look at the line up ffs!! A mixture of very average youth players that will never make it and a few over paid, over rated older pros who couldn't give a fuck. Oh and Nathan (League 1 player at best) Delfouneso.
Rubbish.
Nobody has said we've been anything but poor so far this season.
Where people differ is in their opinion that one (or two) games is not enough to start moaning at the manager.
The problem is obviously players. Not enough of them, and the ones we have got are nowhere near good enough.
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Alan Tully is a ******.
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just got home.
fuck sake. 3 - 0 already.
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Paul Lambert last week "it shouldn't take 40 minutes to have a shot on goal" lol
I get that Everton are a good team but this is just beyond embarrassing, especially being the HOME team.
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If my father in law waxes lyrical about Coventry being 2 nil up against Bury once more, I might throw something at him!
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Lerners mission to turn us into the Cleveland browns is complete. Pat Murphy really enjoying it with his snide anti villa comments. Relegation looking very likely even at this stage
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I want to cry I think!
We look awful. I understand why people are saying don't panic but we aren't just bad, we are atrocious. 135 minutes without creating a single chance on goal. I have never seen less urgency in my life and neither Delfoneuso or N'Zogbia can trap a football. 30% possession and our first shot came in first half injury time from 30 yards.
Also Jelavic's goal shows why Clark is not the stunning centre half people hope he is. Caught ball watching from the most basic piece of movement.
I remember looking at a team sheet from Sir Graham's 2nd reign a while ago and being shocked by how bad the team was. I think we will look back with similar feelings on this team because I'm afraid most of these players are playing on the biggest stage they ever will.
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N'Zogbia is utterly clueless.
When he puts in the effort to get into a decent position, he just stops, he doesn't know what to do with the ball.
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We can all blame o neill, houllier and mcleish but the man who should be blamed most for this clubs sorry state is mr randy lerner.
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These players haven't got a clue how to play football. Not singling out KEA but when someone passes him the ball all he does is instantly pass it back to them and run forward to nowhere. This is really beginning to piss me off.
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We WILL be relegated even if we sign 2 or 3 in the week it will not help,I hate to be so negative but its awful!
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How will that work? They've looked like our only two players capable of trapping a football.
Bannan has been woeful. Completely useless.
Indeed, almost as bad as playing with 10 men I'd say. Same with Nzogbia.
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How will that work? They've looked like our only two players capable of trapping a football.
Bannan has been woeful. Completely useless.
Indeed, almost as bad as playing with 10 men I'd say. Same with Nzogbia.
Bannan has been the only one actually trying to make himself available for the ball. The lack of movement off it is shocking.
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37% posession and 1 shot at goal in 45 mins. It's going to be a long hard season.
Fingers x for a miracle of a half time talk.
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Savage was right we are relegation quality.If ,and it looks very likely we lose this match thats what 1 win in 20 ...FFS.
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While Lambert may not be at fault for the paucity of the squad, he is surely at fault for the fact that the players look slow and unfit, not to mention tactically clueless.To me this is as bad as ,if not worse than, the Swansea game last season. We couldn't be less potent going forward if we had Mcleish and his surrender tactics on display. If you are going to play a possession game you need players who are comfortable on the ball and full of movement. We don't have them. And anyone who thinks Clark is going to make a top class CB is in cloud cuckoo land.
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Fixed.
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And yet there are people who criticize others for not being positive and optimistic!!!
We are shit and going down and anybody who thinks anything else needs to take the tinted specs off. This is an awful Villa side, look at the line up ffs!! A mixture of very average youth players that will never make it and a few over paid, over rated older pros who couldn't give a fuck. Oh and Nathan (League 1 player at best) Delfouneso.
Rubbish.
Nobody has said we've been anything but poor so far this season.
Where people differ is in their opinion that one (or two) games is not enough to start moaning at the manager.
The problem is obviously players. Not enough of them, and the ones we have got are nowhere near good enough.
Totally agree. Lambert is a decent manager but has been given basically no money (where was the 20 odd million kitty? - we have probably spent net £5m and our wages are probably lower this season). The players we have are simply not good enough and some are performing nowhere near their ability (i include nzogbia, ireland and bent in particular here but, certainly with the first 2, i cant see it getting any better either).
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Monty, do you ever have anything bad to say about Bannan?! He's been as dire as the rest.
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I'm going to phone Nicky Keye.
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ROCK BOTTOM of the table.
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it's going to get worse before it gets better...
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If my father in law waxes lyrical about Coventry being 2 nil up against Bury once more, I might throw something at him!
that could be us one day
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Lambert needs an MBE if he ever gets higher than 16th with this team. These players are embarrassing to watch, 40, 50 £60 thousand a week...you should be absolutely disgusted. Footballs easy boys, quickly move into space, pass it, SHOOT!!!!
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Fixed.
Agree with that. Or maybe Delph actually, because we're just totally outnumbered in midfield.
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The General said he predicts at least a 12th place finish
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We desperately need some new blood in. The gap between midfield and the forwards is massive so Bent is totally isolated. Bannan is way too deep.
We just have no quality at all im afraid and its going to be a long season. RL hand in his pocket time again I'm afraid.
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Lambert must be aware these are not good enough players, he sees them in training and if they're like this, he must think he's made a bad move from Norwich
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How will that work? They've looked like our only two players capable of trapping a football.
Bannan has been woeful. Completely useless.
Indeed, almost as bad as playing with 10 men I'd say. Same with Nzogbia.
Bannan has been the only one actually trying to make himself available for the ball. The lack of movement off it is shocking.
Agreed, Monty. I'm no fan of Bannan but he's at least trying to get things moving.
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We can all blame o neill, houllier and mcleish but the man who should be blamed most for this clubs sorry state is mr randy lerner.
He should just sell up to fucking anyone. He clearly doesn't give two shits. But oh hang on, we can all be proud that our wage bill is ok enough to compete in Europe!! The closest were going to get to Europe is a trip to Wales to play Cardiff next year
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Trying to take a level headed approach to this. It was always going to take a while and we've been punished by some strong experienced players.
We haven't been able to play much of the football we saw in pre season. The intensity of the game has been a real shock to many of our players.
KEA is well behind the pace. Ideally we'd give him a chance to adjust, but we just don't have any players to fit in there. I actually think that fonz has done ok, without lpoking like he's necessarily going to be good enough.
Let's just try and get some pride back second half.
And then we desperately need at least one quality, proven central midfielder. I've said that for months. We also need a left back although baker has done ok.
Pretty depressing stuff. Hard to see us avoiding another shitty season really at the moment. why do we bother?
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That's it. I'm going to do some fucking IRONING.
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N'Zogbia is utterly clueless.
When he puts in the effort to get into a decent position, he just stops, he doesn't know what to do with the ball.
I said earlier somewhere that I am stunned he has made it this far as a footballer. Whoever that bloke was at Wigan is dead.
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Monty, do you ever have anything bad to say about Bannan?! He's been as dire as the rest.
He's played very badly at times and isn't playing well, but I hardly think he's the worst out there.
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Bannan is only interested in 40 yrd telegraphed passes. He has been pip
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Monty, do you ever have anything bad to say about Bannan?! He's been as dire as the rest.
what about his driving ?
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Well thats the feelgood factor gone after 2 games
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All I'm seeing from Bannan is ignoring instructions and trying to hit 60 yard passes. He hasn't been our worse player, but taking him off would be the right thing to do in my opinion.
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How will that work? They've looked like our only two players capable of trapping a football.
Bannan has been woeful. Completely useless.
Indeed, almost as bad as playing with 10 men I'd say. Same with Nzogbia.
Bannan has been the only one actually trying to make himself available for the ball. The lack of movement off it is shocking.
He's looked lost to me Monty, like a boy playing for his Dad's team. I've been rooting for him since he broke through due to his ability on the ball but he hasn't improved in 3 years and he's too easily nullified against a team of grown ups.
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Never mind, I am sure general krulak and pelty share my pain. A comforting thought...
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Here's our first team squad, but without the unproven kids, with Hutton and Warnock taken out, and with those youth products with proven experience left in.
There's a dreadful lack of quality in there.
Shay Given (G)
22 Brad Guzan (G)
33 Andy Marshall (G)
4 Ron Vlaar (D)
5 Richard Dunne (D)
6 Ciaran Clark (D)
34 Matthew Lowton (D)
7 Stephen Ireland (M)
8 Karim El Ahmadi (M)
10 Charles N'Zogbia (M)
12 Marc Albrighton (M)
14 Brett Holman (M)
16 Fabian Delph (M)
9 Darren Bent (F)
11 Gabriel Agbonlahor (F)
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The General said he predicts at least a 12th place finish
Who gives a fuck what he thinks?
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Bannon makes himself available but is useless when he gets it, i'm sick of the excuses for Bannon he just is not good enough, the same for Delfonso
this is not blaming the meneger but the owner who seems to think you can sell all your good players and still be successful.We need five in this week but
seeing we would have to sell five first i think we are doomed. This is the worsed villa side i've seen in a long time.
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Yes we are shite. Flat. Looking around for a pass. Static. Nervous and clumsy. Plainly incompetent and best of all - bottom of the league.
But look on the bright side - at least Lambert and Lerner will realise this now - a couple more unchallenged goals for the Toffees and the budget will suddenly go up.
So join with me looking on the bright side - every goal equals £5 million.
Come on Everton!
UTV
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Well thats the feelgood factor gone after 2 games
one and a half
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I thought N'Zogbia was a good player who just hadn't settled yet. Now i think perhaps he was never a good player.
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That's it. I'm going to do some fucking IRONING.
Can I help?
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f*ck me, I know we've had a right trifle of a time with injuries, but surely this is not our strongest team we can put out.
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My daughter has her teeth coming through. It's been miserable all night. She's currently in my arms watching me scream and cry. Take that Ava...
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Bent will probably hand in a transfer request tomorrow.
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Bannan has at least made himself available. Nobody else is moving. The balls keeps on coming to Baker who just stands on it looking around before either lumping it towards Bent or playing El-Ahmadi or Bannan into trouble.
N'Zogbia has ran out of excuses, he has Hexagonal feet, the ball just shoots off him. Lambert cannot do much about this lot but he needs to find some players on the cheap, like Laudrup has.
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All I'm seeing from Bannan is ignoring instructions and trying to hit 60 yard passes. He hasn't been our worse player, but taking him off would be the right thing to do in my opinion.
Yep, i was going to comment on the 60 yard passes, too.
He's been every bit as shit as the rest of them, and probably worse than most.
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This feels like GT MKII all over again, the only difference being that we did at least have a couple of decent players back then, with the likes of Mellberg and Barry.
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Bent will probably hand in a transfer request tomorrow.
What makes him so special? He's barely moving out there, looks like he's lost his zimmerframe.
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Bent will probably hand in a transfer request tomorrow.
I'm handing one in straight after the game.
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No investment x3yrs (save for Bent), sell off the best players. We're going down. At least when the squad looked this bad, Ellis would recognise that he needed to spend and he'd get the chequebook out.
Time for Lerner to go and to take that young inexperienced pup of a CEO with him - good bean counter, poor football businessman.
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The General said he predicts at least a 12th place finish
Who gives a fuck what he thinks?
Your old mucker, Pelty.
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Bent will probably hand in a transfer request tomorrow.
Well there's no point in us having him.
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That's it. I'm going to do some fucking IRONING.
Post of the day!! And the first smile I've had in an hour
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Bent will probably hand in a transfer request tomorrow.
I'm handing one in straight after the game.
My maternal grandparents were both from Swansea. Boyo.
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Delfounso was one of the better players first half what is Lambert doing!
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Looking down and it and not including the players we've signed this summer as it's too soon to judge, but our squad is one of the poorest in the league.
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The General said he predicts at least a 12th place finish
Who gives a fuck what he thinks?
Not me, had us well duped
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. This is the worsed villa side i've seen in a long time.
I think I still prefer this lot over O Dreary's starting 11...
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Bent will probably hand in a transfer request tomorrow.
I'm handing one in straight after the game.
My maternal grandparents were both from Swansea. Boyo.
My grandad was from Neath. That's close enough too.
"Michel Vorm my lord, Michel Vorm"
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Well, still shite.
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Should have been 4.
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Surprised Lambert joined without assurances he would have a lot of money to spend.
Villa are all PR these days: 'vibrant new era'. My ass.
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Did anybody cast an envious eye on Swansea earlier?
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And yet there are people who criticize others for not being positive and optimistic!!!
We are shit and going down and anybody who thinks anything else needs to take the tinted specs off. This is an awful Villa side, look at the line up ffs!! A mixture of very average youth players that will never make it and a few over paid, over rated older pros who couldn't give a fuck. Oh and Nathan (League 1 player at best) Delfouneso.
Rubbish.
Nobody has said we've been anything but poor so far this season.
Where people differ is in their opinion that one (or two) games is not enough to start moaning at the manager.
The problem is obviously players. Not enough of them, and the ones we have got are nowhere near good enough.
Totally agree. Lambert is a decent manager but has been given basically no money (where was the 20 odd million kitty? - we have probably spent net £5m and our wages are probably lower this season). The players we have are simply not good enough and some are performing nowhere near their ability (i include nzogbia, ireland and bent in particular here but, certainly with the first 2, i cant see it getting any better either).
I don't know anyone who thinks anything other than it being a problem with the players as opposed to the manager. How can Lambert do his job when the current squad is awful and we have to sell to buy? Especially when the players we need to move on are so shockingly bad that no one wants to buy them!
We need 30 million spent on 3 or 4 players to have a CHANCE of staying in the Prem. Sadly I can't see Randy spending 3 million never mind 30. We are as good as down, and will probably finish botttom. 1 win in 20? Fucking disgrace.
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Here's our first team squad, but without the unproven kids, with Hutton and Warnock taken out, and with those youth products with proven experience left in.
There's a dreadful lack of quality in there.
Shay Given (G)
22 Brad Guzan (G)
33 Andy Marshall (G)
4 Ron Vlaar (D)
5 Richard Dunne (D)
6 Ciaran Clark (D)
34 Matthew Lowton (D)
7 Stephen Ireland (M)
8 Karim El Ahmadi (M)
10 Charles N'Zogbia (M)
12 Marc Albrighton (M)
14 Brett Holman (M)
16 Fabian Delph (M)
9 Darren Bent (F)
11 Gabriel Agbonlahor (F)
that is incredibly scary, i cant see anything happening by the transfer window that will change things, who would really want to join us?
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Quality centre mid, left back, striker and winger needed in a week. £30m please Randy, back your man.
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It's like watching a bunch of schoolboys run round chasing the ball.
What happened to just sticking with your man?
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No investment x3yrs (save for Bent), sell off the best players. We're going down. At least when the squad looked this bad, Ellis would recognise that he needed to spend and he'd get the chequebook out.
Time for Lerner to go and to take that young inexperienced pup of a CEO with him - good bean counter, poor football businessman.
Don't give Doug kudos, even though I agree with your sentiments to a degree.
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good defending by baker.
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Good tackle Baker.
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Baker keeps the score respectable.
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Why put the ball out? We're 3-0 down. Stupid wankers.
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If you fancy us to bag four and turn this around, you can get 85/1 right now.
I'm not sure I'd back us to get four between now and christmas.
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there is a lovely spanish bird at the bar I am in, easily sidetracked me
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The General said he predicts at least a 12th place finish
The General is back?
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Quality centre mid, left back, striker and winger needed in a week. £30m please Randy, back your man.
Centre half as well please, my confidence in Clark is dwindling.
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Baker has no protection
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Yes worst performance ever and score to match. I can't remember a Villa team so out played at home. I really can't mention anyone player as adequate but N'Zogbia and Given should never wear the shirt again.
We now need to get some respect back in this half.
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If anybody had any doubt about Lerners commitment to Villa will have their doubts totally confirmed come September 1st. We should've known looking at the money spent on players coming in.
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Don't know why i'm still watching for we've had our customary one shot of the game already so it won't get any better.
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No investment x3yrs (save for Bent), sell off the best players. We're going down. At least when the squad looked this bad, Ellis would recognise that he needed to spend and he'd get the chequebook out.
Time for Lerner to go and to take that young inexperienced pup of a CEO with him - good bean counter, poor football businessman.
Don't give Doug kudos, even though I agree with your sentiments to a degree.
Randy Lerner. Now we know why all browns fans hate him!! Absolute clown!! I wonder why pr spin and dross will be spouted after this.
I'm guessing the words 'established everton' 'young side' and 'early days' will be said.
I would LOVE PL to just say that was unacceptable and shit and I need money or I'm fucking off
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god we look shit.
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Dare I say it without pace and a target man up top, Lambert has not worked out how to penetrate sides. He has to get someone similar to Holte before Friday night. Look at how much Fellani is bullying us.
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The General said he predicts at least a 12th place finish
The General is back?
sorry poor joke
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Yes worst performance ever and score to match. I can't remember a Villa team so out played at home. I really can't mention anyone player as adequate but N'Zogbia and Given should never wear the shirt again.
We now need to get some respect back in this half.
And yet there are some people who believe that we won't go down with this squad.
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Dare I say it without pace and a target man up top, Lambert has not worked out how to penetrate sides. He has to get someone similar to Holte before Friday night. Look at how much Fellani is bullying us.
That's not the answer. The answer is to start getting the ball to the strikers. We've barely done it at all across almost two matches, not to mention all of last season.
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We had a shot!
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That's better. They look like they give a shit.
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This is the last few years of mismanagement coming home to roost. Look at that squad, terrifying.
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My stream has died, thank god for that.
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Given with the aimless punt. Classy.
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It's my birthday today.
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beyond dire. what did RL and PF promise when they got rid of the last one? No sign of it here
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It's my birthday today.
You can cry if you want to.
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Dare I say it without pace and a target man up top, Lambert has not worked out how to penetrate sides. He has to get someone similar to Holte before Friday night. Look at how much Fellani is bullying us.
That's not the answer. The answer is to start getting the ball to the strikers. We've barely done it at all across almost two matches, not to mention all of last season.
Exactly my point.
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When was this new game of Footy invented......use only one goalposts for a match.
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I'd just love to see us score a goal...
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This is Bannan's 4th season in and around the 1st team. It should be clear by now that he isn't going to make it.
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It's my birthday today.
many happy ret...... oh well get pissed
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This is the last few years of mismanagement coming home to roost. Look at that squad, terrifying.
Exactly right.
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Dare I say it without pace and a target man up top, Lambert has not worked out how to penetrate sides. He has to get someone similar to Holte before Friday night. Look at how much Fellani is bullying us.
That's not the answer. The answer is to start getting the ball to the strikers. We've barely done it at all across almost two matches, not to mention all of last season.
Exactly my point.
I don't think an overwieight lower league striker is going to do that, though.
Adam Johnson would have been a good signing, but we can only dream of 10m players now.
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It's my birthday today.
It could have been worse, you could have spent it at the ground. Happy birthday by the way.
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I am in the upper holte and I hate to say it but this has the feel of Norwich 1987. Why he didnt start with Ireland I dont know and Baker and Clark should swap positions. Nzog is a waste of space.
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fuck sake Clark.
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Clark is a donkey for that.
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Just had a terrible thought. Robbie Savage is a wise man. God I hope not
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This is Bannan's 4th season in and around the 1st team. It should be clear by now that he isn't going to make it.
I'd say as a youngster you get a season's bedding in period, after that you should be up to speed.
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From bad to worse...
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Clark off
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Sigh
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It just gets better and better and better.
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I'd just love to see us score a goal...
i would be happy not to concede anymore ala big eck
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This could be 5 or 6.
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Oh bloody hell
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Clark is a donkey for that.
And he's in my sun dream team. Short of someone turning up at the front door with a child I didn't know I had, then today could not get any worse
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Add Clark to the list of those who aren't good enough.
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This could be 5 or 6.
You mean this will BE
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Clark pulled his hand away there, jelavic took a good old role for such little contact.
Fucking awful.
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All we need now is for the Stadium to collapse and the day will be complete
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and that is Clark is not a top centre half, too slow
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What was the point of fouling him
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I can't see any light at the end of the tunnel.
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Lichaj looks like Gary Stretch's character in Dead Man's Shoes.
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Silly decision by Clark but Jelavic went down far too easily for my liking.
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Clark got himself caught sleeping AGAIN. He is no centre half, he will either develop into a holding midfielder or go nowhere. I rate Baker as a much better defender. Everton can essentially score as many as they want to score now.
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We need a left back, centre half, goalkeeper, centre mid, winger and a striker. All quality.
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It's my birthday today.
It could have been worse, you could have spent it at the ground. Happy birthday by the way.
True, couldn't make it today, Rover etc. But cheers guys, I intend to get pissed, starting now..
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We look like a side thats just got promoted and are completely surprised by hat we've found. I guess that might not be surprising given that probably only bent, CNZ and given have any real premier league pedigree
But I think thing I'm most worried about is that it's not just confidence, or shape, or physicality. Generally we just don't look that good.
Bent had been a pile of crap today. Needs to recover from injury layoff. But it is to an extent the same old problem. He's not a very good 'footballer'.
Oh bloody hell. Bad to worse. Down to the last four defenders that have any chance o playing.
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Clark got himself caught sleeping AGAIN. He is no centre half, he will either develop into a holding midfielder or go nowhere. I rate Baker as a much better defender. Everton can essentially score as many as they want to score now.
Agreed. Good thing is he's banned for 3 games now.
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If this doesn't convince RL that much money needs to be spent, nothing will, ever.
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It's not that I expected a win, just that we would compete a bit. This is a bit of a slap in the face.
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bullshit, that. Felliani had his arm in his face completely then. never a free kick against KEA.
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It's my birthday today.
Happy birthday DB. You share it with Everton FC, apparently...
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Randy Lerner should issue a statement of his intentions after this shower of shit
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We look like a championship team... Actually no, scrap that we look even worse, we look like the Browns.
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Clark being banned means Baker will be played at CB, which in means we're etiher absolutely going to have to buy a LB this week, or we're going to have to play Warnock.
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Jesus, it could easily have been 7 or 8 by now.
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Lichaj looks like Gary Stretch's character in Dead Man's Shoes.
Brilliant
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I'm glad I didn't get a season ticket now.
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Clark being banned means Baker will be played at CB, which in means we're etiher absolutely going to have to buy a LB this week, or we're going to have to play Warnock.
Baker is not good enough to play at CB at this level, mind you neither is Clark.
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We look like a side thats just got promoted and are completely surprised by hat we've found.
We look exactly like a recently promoted team. Shrewsbury.
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Go on Randy...farrrrrks sake.
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is this the worst 'big club' team?
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Are we passing it around nicely without any end product or do we look as dire as first half??
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Absolutely not a foul.
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Warnock, Collins and Dunne will be pleased
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I think the ref was going easy on us there. Pretty fucking awful when the ref is patronising you.
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Lichaj has been MOTM for us so far....
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Are we passing it around nicely without any end product or do we look as dire as first half??
We can't get the ball to pass it. It is as bad.
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Are we passing it around nicely without any end product or do we look as dire as first half??
We can't get the ball to pass it. It is as bad.
It's not much of an exaggeration to say we've barely touched the ball in the last 67 minutes.
Utter dross.
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What is bent gonna do with so called passes like that, if I was him id want out.
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I think i might get some quids on us going down. Just in case.
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The ref hasn't helped us at all, every time one of their players has gone down he's given a free kick, and he;s given us very little.
I still think the major problem here was Given gifting them a 2nd. We'd just started to get involved in the game when that happened.
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Baker looks far better at CB than Clark.
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I think the major problem is when the game kicked off.
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Baker looks far better at CB than Clark.
Baker has actually had something approaching a decent game. He was good last week, too.
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The midfield can't fucking do anything. They can't even keep hold of the ball. N'Zogbia just can't be bothered to even try.
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I think i might get some quids on us going down. Just in case.
You will not make any money if you do now!
I'd put some on Phil Neville grabbing a goal instead
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I think i might get some quids on us going down. Just in case.
Currently 2/1.
Look good odds.
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The ref hasn't helped us at all, every time one of their players has gone down he's given a free kick, and he;s given us very little.
I still think the major problem here was Given gifting them a 2nd. We'd just started to get involved in the game when that happened.
Sorry mate, we;ve never been in this game. Not for one minute.
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Hopefully that's the last start for Bannan.
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I'd forgotten Holman was on the pitch.
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Christ I just hope we have at least 4 good players lined up before deadline.
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I think big fat Ron was right. This is the worst squad we've had since the premier league started, particularly if you compare it to the quality of sides in the league now.
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I'd forgotten Holman was on the pitch.
A McLeish freebie. I have to say my hopes aren't high.
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The ref hasn't helped us at all, every time one of their players has gone down he's given a free kick, and he;s given us very little.
I still think the major problem here was Given gifting them a 2nd. We'd just started to get involved in the game when that happened.
Sorry mate, we;ve never been in this game. Not for one minute.
I'm sorry, we're shit and relegated and might as well sack the lot of them then, that better?
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I'm just waiting for the commentators to accidentally drop a "Villa have been fucking awful."
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Wiemman Hat-trick
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clas from vlaar
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The ref hasn't helped us at all, every time one of their players has gone down he's given a free kick, and he;s given us very little.
I still think the major problem here was Given gifting them a 2nd. We'd just started to get involved in the game when that happened.
Sorry mate, we;ve never been in this game. Not for one minute.
I'm sorry, we're shit and relegated and might as well sack the lot of them then, that better?
Nope, didn't say that and there's no need to be so touchy.
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well done Concrete, now get on the phone to your agent and ask him what the fuck he was thinking.
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Have we equalised yet?
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Are we passing it around nicely without any end product or do we look as dire as first half??
We can't get the ball to pass it. It is as bad.
That doesn't sound good.
Right now this is depressing. Hearing the stats at how Everton haven't won at VP for a long time got me nervous because whenever I hear such stats before a game the inevitable happens.
Urgh. I find it hard to enjoy football when its like this. Even games I was looking forward to watch I this weekend don't seem that appealing anymore.
West Brom outplaying Spurs, Wiganola beating the Saints... Wake me up when the transfer window ends.
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Get in. Yes. Fuck. Yes.
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1st goal here comes the come back!
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YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS
Some quality from a villa player!
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Well done Karim.
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Goal
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Oh hello.
1-3.
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What a shot.
This is why we should play football and shoot.
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nice goal, struck it well, poor from howard, but it moved a lot in the air.
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Class goal.
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yay a goal :)
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It looks like we need one fucking hell of a bonanza week in the transfer market.
I'm also struggling to see why Ireland (especially) and Delph didn't start. Oh well.
I knew we'd have some teething troubles to begin with but this is astonishing.
Please take action this week Villa, if you still give a toss.
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Wickedly bending shot that one. Get in.
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Still shit, serious questions need to be asked. That's probably the first villa goal I can remember I've not celebrated.
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It looks like we need one fucking hell of a bonanza week in the transfer market.
I'm also struggling to see why Ireland (especially) and Delph didn't start. Oh well.
I knew we'd have some teething troubles to begin with but this is astonishing.
Please take action this week Villa, if you still give a toss.
They don't, that's the trouble. Haven't for ages now.
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Weimann shows heart, he should start.
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It looks like we need one fucking hell of a bonanza week in the transfer market.
I'm also struggling to see why Ireland (especially) and Delph didn't start. Oh well.
I knew we'd have some teething troubles to begin with but this is astonishing.
Please take action this week Villa, if you still give a toss.
They don't, that's the trouble. Haven't for ages now.
It is very, very hard to dispute that.
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That's a bit more like it. El Ahmadi turning a player and running at Everton.
WHY NOT MORE OF THIS.
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Have we had a shot or header in the box??
When Bent is clearing off our goal line it says it all about our attacking
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I'm also struggling to see why Ireland (especially) and Delph didn't start. Oh well.
Ireland is symptomatic of all our problems and I hope PL is seeing that.
A more serious question is why CN'Z started. Sell both, please.
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Felliani all over N'Zo's back then.
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Woooo first goal of the season.
Too bad its just a meaningless consolation :(
Well now we're back to -3 GD.
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The ref hasn't helped us at all, every time one of their players has gone down he's given a free kick, and he;s given us very little.
I still think the major problem here was Given gifting them a 2nd. We'd just started to get involved in the game when that happened.
Sorry mate, we;ve never been in this game. Not for one minute.
I'm sorry, we're shit and relegated and might as well sack the lot of them then, that better?
Nope, didn't say that and there's no need to be so touchy.
Not being touchy, just tried to say I don't think the game would've been anything like this if Given hadn't made such a terrible error, it's an opinion, I think the game was quite even for 5minutes or so before the goal, but that's clearly not an opinion anyone on here wants to read right now so I thought I'd join in with the doom and gloom instead.
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It's funny even with ten men, you get Bannan out of the team and it looks a lot better.
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Second shot on target of the season? Let's at least try and get something out of the game in terms of pride.
Why did lichaj shoot there?
Kea starting to look a little better
Still bloody depressing overall though!
Is that our second goal in about 16 games. 10 since February I think!
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Karim is actually starting to play now.
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The ref hasn't helped us at all, every time one of their players has gone down he's given a free kick, and he;s given us very little.
I still think the major problem here was Given gifting them a 2nd. We'd just started to get involved in the game when that happened.
Sorry mate, we;ve never been in this game. Not for one minute.
I'm sorry, we're shit and relegated and might as well sack the lot of them then, that better?
Nope, didn't say that and there's no need to be so touchy.
Not being touchy, just tried to say I don't think the game would've been anything like this if Given hadn't made such a terrible error, it's an opinion, I think the game was quite even for 5minutes or so before the goal, but that's clearly not an opinion anyone on here wants to read right now so I thought I'd join in with the doom and gloom instead.
Fair enough paul_e
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KEA booking sums up my thoughts on the ref, there have been 7-8 challenges like that from both teams, no idea why he felt that one deserved a booking.
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Is it my tears of sorrow or has it gone a little blurry?
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We look better without Clark and Bannan
Baker looks the most likely to make it and he was one we never used to build up.
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KEA booking sums up my thoughts on the ref, there have been 7-8 challenges like that from both teams, no idea why he felt that one deserved a booking.
The ref from last week was a ****** against us too.
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Is there any point of Holman? But Karim and Ron look tidy
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Is there any point of Holman? But Karim and Ron look tidy
I just don't see what Holman "does" - he contributed zero last week and I'd forgotten he'd actually been brought on here.
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I'd bring Warnock & Dunne back for the next game.
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I agree karim is starting to play - now the speed and intensity ha dropped. Hopefully a goo sign that he can become a good player
But he really needs a minder to sit deeper and let him play. He doesn't really look like a dcm to me.
It's just occurred to me that we have two fwds and 2 wingers on the pitch despite having ten men.
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It's an indictment of Bannan and Clark that we're better with ten men on the pitch.
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3 shots on target :(
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I wonder if we'd been as bad if Delph played instead of Bannan. Not saying Delph would have made all the difference but I just wasn't sure about that midfield selection especially against a physically strong team like Everton.
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Is there any point of Holman? But Karim and Ron look tidy
I just don't see what Holman "does" - he contributed zero last week and I'd forgotten he'd actually been brought on here.
I had high hopes with him being mentioned in the Jimmy Milner bracket but reminds me more of Albrighton but in the middle. Ron will be a ledge here and Karim will probably be sold too Arsenal for £20 million next summer.
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Easily offside
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Offside to stop it being 4.
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Wiganola 2-0 up now.
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Really Unlucky!
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So so close from a brilliant move
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Bad luck. Deserved a goal.
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Was sure we scored there
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Ooh unlucky Weimann.
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FUCK OFF. GAH.
Unlucky Weimann. Bent shoulda fucking scored.
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Fucking hell Bent.
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I'd bring Warnock & Dunne back for the next game.
id agree but doubt it will happen as he's trying to force them out
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Wiemman has been the difference!
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I'd guess that's what holman does then... very good play to create the chance.
Bent could've done better with the follow up.
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I'd bring Warnock & Dunne back for the next game.
id agree but doubt it will happen as he's trying to force them out
Plus dunne is injured
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Is there any point of Holman? But Karim and Ron look tidy
I just don't see what Holman "does" - he contributed zero last week and I'd forgotten he'd actually been brought on here.
I had high hopes with him being mentioned in the Jimmy Milner bracket but reminds me more of Albrighton but in the middle. Ron will be a ledge here and Karim will probably be sold too Arsenal for £20 million next summer.
Might have to eat my words, that was a lovely reverse slide pass to Weimann....unlucky lads.
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I'd bring Warnock & Dunne back for the next game.
id agree but doubt it will happen as he's trying to force them out
I'd start Baker and Vlaar in the middle.
Baker has done very well again today. He looks way more solid there than Clark does.
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Is there any point of Holman? But Karim and Ron look tidy
And Lowton as well.
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West Brazil equalize lol
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36,565
Looked more than that to me.
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I don't agree dunne should play. He's injured.
Unlucky for weimann there.
Holman has shown glimpses second half I think. And I think baker has done well.
Still thoroughly outplayed overall of course but I'm trying to take some positives
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I'd bring Warnock & Dunne back for the next game.
id agree but doubt it will happen as he's trying to force them out
I'd start Baker and Vlaar in the middle.
Baker has done very well again today. He looks way more solid there than Clark does.
I agree with that. I'd put Warnock at LB in a heartbeat too.
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Nice run from Holman that.
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Didn't do to bad in the second half considering we had 10 men.But we need players no if's no buts I 'don't care if we have to loan someone in now just get some damn players.