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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Legion on June 25, 2011, 07:00:14 PM
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Talk of Shay Given. Who would you like and who do you think it will be?
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Like (realistically) - Robinson
Think it will be - Foster.
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I'd like McGregor but I think it will be Foster, would be happy with either!
Givens good at saving shots, but not much else I don't think, he doesn't command his area well enough
I do really like the look of Kasper Schmiechel (or however its spelt!)
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Like (no chance!): Joe Hart
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Prefer Foster. Could live with Given (not literally, that would be bizarre).
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Id prefer Steklenberg from Ajax
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It has to be Shay Given.
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I'd like McGregor but I think it will be Foster, would be happy with either!
Givens good at saving shots, but not much else I don't think, he doesn't command his area well enough
I do really like the look of Kasper Schmiechel (or however its spelt!)
Schmeichel has just been binned by Leeds... I doubt he'll be coming to us. If he does I'd be extremely worried.
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McGregor for both. With AM in charge he could get him in with the Rangers links n' all.
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Someone younger than Given.
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Don't understand the clamour at all for someone like McGregor. Unless they're a Henrik Larsson-like unbelievable talent I wouldn't go anywhere near that league.
There was a time when Rangers might have been on a par with say a Liverpool, or Arsenal finance wise and Celtic might have been a bit closer to a Newcastle or Villa. The rest were 2nd division/ Championship standard. Now even the Big two are signing their best players from the English lower leagues. In fact, when they sell players, that seems to be the general direction too.
If that's the standard of the two best clubs, the rest of the league is probably now somewhere between old third division and conference level.
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I'd like McGregor but I think it will be Foster, would be happy with either!
Givens good at saving shots, but not much else I don't think, he doesn't command his area well enough
I do really like the look of Kasper Schmiechel (or however its spelt!)
Schmeichel has just been binned by Leeds... I doubt he'll be coming to us. If he does I'd be extremely worried.
Didn't know that! Whenever I seen him he was very good. Why was he binned?
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Depending on the money we have.
Loads to throw away: Foster
Reasonable budget: McGregor
Up shit creek: Al-Habsi
Leeds-esque debt: Schmeichel
I wouldn't mind any of them, as long as we don't get Given. There are probably a number of foreign goalkeepers that are better, but I don't see AM going abroad for such a key position.
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Someone younger than Given.
me, just
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Like... Buffon, think it'll be..... Foster
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I have dished out lots of stick to Given over the years but wouldn't mind him on our books. Call me fickle if you like!
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I would prefer Foster but if we can't get him then I would go for Robinson of Blackburn either one would be more than able to do a job for us I just hope we get the keeper position sorted early in the the transfer window.
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I'd like McGregor but I think it will be Foster, would be happy with either!
Givens good at saving shots, but not much else I don't think, he doesn't command his area well enough
I do really like the look of Kasper Schmiechel (or however its spelt!)
Schmeichel has just been binned by Leeds... I doubt he'll be coming to us. If he does I'd be extremely worried.
Didn't know that! Whenever I seen him he was very good. Why was he binned?
They sold him to Leicester for £1.25m........Grayson said it was because he wouldnt sign a new deal (he had 1 year remaining)/wanted to improve his defence and Schmeichel said he was never offered a new deal........
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Someone younger than Given.
Given's injuries are more of a concern than his age. Goalkeepers can play deep into their 30's now, so he'd give us a solid 4 or 5 years. He's a very good goalkeeper, but in order for us to sign him I'd assume he'll take a pay cut. He must be on decent coin up there with everyone else at Man City. Still, if it is him, and like I said, he's fit, he's a top keeper.
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Paul Robinson if we're looking in the UK
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Robinson for me.
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McGregor for both. With AM in charge he could get him in with the Rangers links n' all.
McGregor penning new deal with Rangers keeping him here until 2016
would need IMO a bid of over £10m now to tempt us.
McLeish and him had a falling out a while back when Stefan Klos was injured and he brought an experienced keeper in to replace him, so don't know if McLeish would have that good a chance of tempting the shagger to Villa Park.
Like Sebastian Frey
Realistic Shay Given or Ben Foster
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Gabor Kiraly.
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I'd like McGregor but I think it will be Foster, would be happy with either!
Givens good at saving shots, but not much else I don't think, he doesn't command his area well enough
I do really like the look of Kasper Schmiechel (or however its spelt!)
Schmeichel has just been binned by Leeds... I doubt he'll be coming to us. If he does I'd be extremely worried.
Didn't know that! Whenever I seen him he was very good. Why was he binned?
I read that Grayson blamed him for a number of goals he conceded, then grayson goes and signs the Blackpool reserve keeper who let in 9 in his first three games
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McGregor for both. With AM in charge he could get him in with the Rangers links n' all.
McGregor penning new deal with Rangers keeping him here until 2016
would need IMO a bid of over £10m now to tempt us.
McLeish and him had a falling out a while back when Stefan Klos was injured and he brought an experienced keeper in to replace him, so don't know if McLeish would have that good a chance of tempting the shagger to Villa Park.
Like Sebastian Frey
Realistic Shay Given or Ben Foster
Blast from the past that. We were linked with Frey a few years back, had forgot all about him. Is he still at Fiorentina? Looked good when we played them back in 2009.
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Foster would be my first choice but inevitably will cost big money so if that's what we don't have would rather look at Robinson.
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Gabor Kiraly.
No. Wrong. Wrong in so many ways. Bad. Stoppit. Tidyup.
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Foster or Robinson.
I would be gutted if we got Given.
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Foster or Robinson, I think given is too old
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McGregor for both. With AM in charge he could get him in with the Rangers links n' all.
McGregor penning new deal with Rangers keeping him here until 2016
would need IMO a bid of over £10m now to tempt us.
McLeish and him had a falling out a while back when Stefan Klos was injured and he brought an experienced keeper in to replace him, so don't know if McLeish would have that good a chance of tempting the shagger to Villa Park.
Like Sebastian Frey
Realistic Shay Given or Ben Foster
Blast from the past that. We were linked with Frey a few years back, had forgot all about him. Is he still at Fiorentina? Looked good when we played them back in 2009.
He's number 2 now at Fiorentina to Artur Boruc so would be very gettable.
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I'm pretty confident that AM will get us a good keeper thought he did well in that department with SMA - Foster / Hart. I'd be happy with Given despite some commenting about his age
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Given has been consistently good throughout his career. Don't see how people could have a problem with him. He's got a few years left in him too. He's still extremely agile, and there are few better shot stoppers.
Personally I don't see the fuss with Foster. I think he bottles big games and though he had a good season, he didn't manage to keep Blues up as Hart did. He's still prone to clangers. He could be very good indeed, but I'd rather not pay over the odds for him.
Given for me, or Robinson. We could get both for a reasonable price I think. McGregor would get shown up in this league. I don't think he's Prem quality.
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robinson but like many think it will be foster
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No one's mentioned Rob Green.
I'd give him a chance. He;s not that bad a keeper.
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No one's mentioned Rob Green.
I'd give him a chance. He;s not that bad a keeper.
If it hadn't been ruled out then I'd have suggested him, 2 or 3 years ago bburn were the only team to take robinson after his england mistake. Green just needs a fresh start...
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I didn't think Given liked us after all the shit we have given (sorry for the pun) him over the years, if he is cheaper than Foster then we should get him.
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Robinson, Foster or Al Habsi.
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Potato Head has signed Westwood from Coventry, & has publicly said he's standing by Mingolet.
Craig Gordon, come on down!
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Given preferable - Cit-eh will sell for a song and he would want to join us I reckon. We have a decent record with Irish players over the years.
No real objections to most of the others though whether people like it or not it has to be financially viable - £10m for Foster after 1 or 2 good seasons?
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i thought this thread would be about a new general Krulak type person??
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I hoped we would buy westwood
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Sign both Given and Westwood. Get 1 good season out of Shay and Kieran should be ready for next season.
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Hasn't westwood signed for sunderland?
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He has and so has larsson
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Craig Gordon, come on down!
Decent keeper, could be worth a shout.
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i thought i heard that Gordon was out injured for at least the next 3 months
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I'd have Given if he was cheap with mebbe a cheap up and coming 'keeper from the CL or lower as back-up. Not sure what Foster will cost but i'm hesitant about spending a lot on a keeper if we're short on money. And of course there's the blose factor to think of in that he'll get panned if he makes any mistakes. Other than that better value for money is available from abroad.
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better value for money is available from abroad.
I'm not sure if we are aware what's happening abroad. Did GH ever get round to transforming our scouting network?
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AM does look there i'm sure. Wer've got plenty of home grown players so we can look abroad without any worries about this quota bobbins. If you've got a limited budget then the goalkeeping position is somewhere we can get a good 'keeper for a smaller outlay.
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i thought i heard that Gordon was out injured for at least the next 3 months
... and probably the three months after his first game back.
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McGregor for both. With AM in charge he could get him in with the Rangers links n' all.
McGregor penning new deal with Rangers keeping him here until 2016
would need IMO a bid of over £10m now to tempt us.
McLeish and him had a falling out a while back when Stefan Klos was injured and he brought an experienced keeper in to replace him, so don't know if McLeish would have that good a chance of tempting the shagger to Villa Park.
Like Sebastian Frey
Realistic Shay Given or Ben Foster
Blast from the past that. We were linked with Frey a few years back, had forgot all about him. Is he still at Fiorentina? Looked good when we played them back in 2009.
Frey is still first choice as far as i know he was injured last year for a bit though,
Boruc is his understudy and on look out for new club now so maybe a Bid for Frey could tmpt thm into keeping hold of Boruc
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Scot Carson. No only joking! Robinson of Blackburn would be my choice.
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He has and so has larsson
So we have let Westwood to Sunderland for free from right under our nose! I know we will do a typical Villa here and sign him for £10M in a couple of years.
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If United are signing a new no. 1 keeper this summer, I'd happily take Van der Sar off their hands for a season or two. They fvckin owe us a favour after all.
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If United are signing a new no. 1 keeper this summer, I'd happily take Van der Sar off their hands for a season or two. They fvckin owe us a favour after all.
The reason they are buying a new goalie is that VDS has retired....................
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McGregor for both. With AM in charge he could get him in with the Rangers links n' all.
McGregor penning new deal with Rangers keeping him here until 2016
would need IMO a bid of over £10m now to tempt us.
McLeish and him had a falling out a while back when Stefan Klos was injured and he brought an experienced keeper in to replace him, so don't know if McLeish would have that good a chance of tempting the shagger to Villa Park.
Like Sebastian Frey
Realistic Shay Given or Ben Foster
Blast from the past that. We were linked with Frey a few years back, had forgot all about him. Is he still at Fiorentina? Looked good when we played them back in 2009.
Frey is still first choice as far as i know he was injured last year for a bit though,
Boruc is his understudy and on look out for new club now so maybe a Bid for Frey could tmpt thm into keeping hold of Boruc
I wouldn't mind Boruc tbh!
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ahh - scratch that then. I thought his contract was up and they didn't renew it.
It will probably be Foster and we'll probably get assraped for the fee, but he's pretty solid keeper.
Is Guzan still on our books? - never really seen him play. I know he had that good game against Sunderland in the league cup, but other than that....
I quite like Kirkland as a keeper - if we're on a budget, it would be a reasonable shout I think.
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Samir Handanovic for me.
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McGregor or Foster.
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i would love foster to come in...
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Foster please .....
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ahh - scratch that then. I thought his contract was up and they didn't renew it.
It will probably be Foster and we'll probably get assraped for the fee, but he's pretty solid keeper.
Is Guzan still on our books? - never really seen him play. I know he had that good game against Sunderland in the league cup, but other than that....
I quite like Kirkland as a keeper - if we're on a budget, it would be a reasonable shout I think.
Kirklands awful. Been replaced at Wigan which should say alot
Guzan played well in a few of the cup games but I don't really rate him, fumbles the ball way too much
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Robinson has IMO been the best English Keeper for the last two years, even better than Hart, so he'd be my first choice.I've never been totally convinced by Foster though al of the Nosers at work tell me that he's a good 'keeper.
One who hasn't been mentioned yet, Kcuscyak (sp) from Man United
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I don't see any reason why we need to replace Guzan as second choice. He's not perfect, but very few keepers are at that age and none of them are going to be happy being our reserve.
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We also have Andy Marshall.
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we have benjamin siegrist too... he has high potential...
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We also have Andy Marshall.
Who obviously should be used as a last-resort and to continue helping out in the reserves while our new keeper performs brilliantly and Guzan provides useful backup.
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I'm not really doing that well in this thread hey?
I had Kirkland in my fantasy team a couple of seasons back and he did ok....
Bring back Bozzie
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I'd like Shay Given
I think its absolutely nailed on we will get Ben Foster - who for me, is a slightly better Scott Carson, always prone to a mistake. Looked great at the blues because of the amount of times he was called in to action. Was poor at Man Utd, and Paul Robinson scored past him at Watford !! He nearly made the same mistake again at the end of this season too.
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Talk of Shay Given. Who would you like and who do you think it will be?
Rated him for yrs as one of the top goalies in the prem when at NU. Given would be a very good signing IMO.
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I rate Given too. I've not seen him make as many mistakes in his entire career as the likes of Foster and Green make in one season.
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Given is quality and seems to be a good influence in the dressing room too. Also, he would probably cost less than half what Foster would. He's getting on but should still have three good years in him.
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McGregor for both. With AM in charge he could get him in with the Rangers links n' all.
McGregor penning new deal with Rangers keeping him here until 2016
would need IMO a bid of over £10m now to tempt us.
McLeish and him had a falling out a while back when Stefan Klos was injured and he brought an experienced keeper in to replace him, so don't know if McLeish would have that good a chance of tempting the shagger to Villa Park.
Like Sebastian Frey
Realistic Shay Given or Ben Foster
Blast from the past that. We were linked with Frey a few years back, had forgot all about him. Is he still at Fiorentina? Looked good when we played them back in 2009.
Frey is still first choice as far as i know he was injured last year for a bit though,
Boruc is his understudy and on look out for new club now so maybe a Bid for Frey could tmpt thm into keeping hold of Boruc
I wouldn't mind Boruc tbh!
Boruc is a decent keeper tbh but carries way too much baggage.
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Shay Given is hardly getting on when it comes to goalkeepers - he's "only" 35 which means we would get more than 2 or 3 years out of him
We've just let go of a 40 year old keeper.... who then went and got a 2 year contract elsewhere...
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Boruc is a decent keeper tbh but carries way too much baggage.
What do you mean?
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Boruc is a decent keeper tbh but carries way too much baggage.
What do you mean?
whilst with Celtic he was never far from front pages mate, could be down to Old Firm mentality and spot light players are under.
but when he made front pages rather than back he was always liable to make a cock up in next few games,
but as I said on his day is a decent keeper
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Boruc is a decent keeper tbh but carries way too much baggage.
What do you mean?
whilst with Celtic he was never far from front pages mate, could be down to Old Firm mentality and spot light players are under.
but when he made front pages rather than back he was always liable to make a cock up in next few games,
but as I said on his day is a decent keeper
I actually think I re-call he was a coke head or something? Was that true?
What kinda things was he in for?
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Shay Given is hardly getting on when it comes to goalkeepers - he's "only" 35 which means we would get more than 2 or 3 years out of him
Except he's never fit.
And is fairly average even when he is fit.
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How old is Mark Schwarzer now?
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ahh - scratch that then. I thought his contract was up and they didn't renew it.
It will probably be Foster and we'll probably get assraped for the fee, but he's pretty solid keeper.
Is Guzan still on our books? - never really seen him play. I know he had that good game against Sunderland in the league cup, but other than that....
I quite like Kirkland as a keeper - if we're on a budget, it would be a reasonable shout I think.
Kirklands awful. Been replaced at Wigan which should say alot
Guzan played well in a few of the cup games but I don't really rate him, fumbles the ball way too much
Kirkland is an excellent keeper but suffers from a bad back, not an injury as such but i have read that it even freezes up after bus journeys to away games. Not ideal.
I'd steer clear of Given for similar reason's, he's had a number of injuries to his shoulder.
Assuming we're not absolutely skint I would go for Foster. The right age and experience and would integrate quickly into the team. It would also be an opportunity to get rid of these messy tapping up claims.
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Boruc is a decent keeper tbh but carries way too much baggage.
What do you mean?
whilst with Celtic he was never far from front pages mate, could be down to Old Firm mentality and spot light players are under.
but when he made front pages rather than back he was always liable to make a cock up in next few games,
but as I said on his day is a decent keeper
I actually think I re-call he was a coke head or something? Was that true?
What kinda things was he in for?
Heard all that as well mate but tbh all sorts of rumours fly around up here regarding high profile players,
He had split with his missus and moved a new bird in within days and IIRC a few games after that he was beaten by a squiggler at Easter Road, he made a few high profile blunders as well,
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Boruc is a decent keeper tbh but carries way too much baggage.
What do you mean?
whilst with Celtic he was never far from front pages mate, could be down to Old Firm mentality and spot light players are under.
but when he made front pages rather than back he was always liable to make a cock up in next few games,
but as I said on his day is a decent keeper
I actually think I re-call he was a coke head or something? Was that true?
What kinda things was he in for?
Heard all that as well mate but tbh all sorts of rumours fly around up here regarding high profile players,
He had split with his missus and moved a new bird in within days and IIRC a few games after that he was beaten by a squiggler at Easter Road, he made a few high profile blunders as well,
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Is that second link in there just because your a rangers fan and wanted to watch it again? I can't see how either of them goals are Boruc errors or am i missing something?
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Boruc is a decent keeper tbh but carries way too much baggage.
What do you mean?
whilst with Celtic he was never far from front pages mate, could be down to Old Firm mentality and spot light players are under.
but when he made front pages rather than back he was always liable to make a cock up in next few games,
but as I said on his day is a decent keeper
I actually think I re-call he was a coke head or something? Was that true?
What kinda things was he in for?
Heard all that as well mate but tbh all sorts of rumours fly around up here regarding high profile players,
He had split with his missus and moved a new bird in within days and IIRC a few games after that he was beaten by a squiggler at Easter Road, he made a few high profile blunders as well,
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Is that second link in there just because your a rangers fan and wanted to watch it again? I can't see how either of them goals are Boruc errors or am i missing something?
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have you watched the links mate ?
I have said on his day Boruc is a decent keeper imo not good enough for Villa
the first link he spills ball out at Kenny Miller's feet second link possibly not best angle but watch how he goes down to try prevent it ?
IMO goes down in installments and looks awkward way he does it not exactly type of keeper i'd be confident with if he was at Villa
again though just my opinion
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I'm rangers villa aswell mate and i remember the kenny miller one well! I still seen him make some top class saves but I suppose you seen him play a lot more so your opinion will be more valid!
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1976 put me right off.
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I'm rangers villa aswell mate and i remember the kenny miller one well! I still seen him make some top class saves but I suppose you seen him play a lot more so your opinion will be more valid!
It's all about opinions mate when he first made an impact i was fearing the worst as he looked a top notch keeper but imo he got complacent as he never really had any competition for his spot whilst there and thats when all th off-field distractions effected him and errors creeped in.
On his day he is a quality keeper of that there is no doubt but questions have to be asked what Boruc will show up more often than not.
I just feel Villa deserve a better keeper than him.
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So realistically what's your ideal keeper
And do you think McGregor is good enough for the prem?
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If it were my choice purely from Villa point of view I'd like to see a McGregor, Frey or Foster arrive in summer
from being a season ticket holder at Ibrox and life long fan I'd hate to see McGregor go and don't think he will but he is easily IMHO up there with anything Premiership has to offer at present time.
and I'd go as far as saying if he was English would be Fabio's firs pick.
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It'll be Foster, no doubt about it
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Hald of my family are all scottish rangers and rave about McGregor. I think realistically the best option is Foster. I don't think McGregor will leave and I certainly don't think he'll be cheaper than Foster. Would it be a fair assesment that he was one of the key players in Rangers title bid?
I don't buy into the were skint nonsense, I think there's money avaliable
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Do we really want a foster goalkeeper!
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I don't see any reason why we need to replace Guzan as second choice. He's not perfect, but very few keepers are at that age and none of them are going to be happy being our reserve.
Should we give him a chance to start?
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Hald of my family are all scottish rangers and rave about McGregor. I think realistically the best option is Foster. I don't think McGregor will leave and I certainly don't think he'll be cheaper than Foster. Would it be a fair assesment that he was one of the key players in Rangers title bid?
I don't buy into the were skint nonsense, I think there's money avaliable
I think you're right. RL has learned lessons. We were supposed to be skintight last year and spunked 24m for Bent. I'm counting on AM to play it cool and ger us some good VFM signings.
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Hald of my family are all scottish rangers and rave about McGregor. I think realistically the best option is Foster. I don't think McGregor will leave and I certainly don't think he'll be cheaper than Foster. Would it be a fair assesment that he was one of the key players in Rangers title bid?
I don't buy into the were skint nonsense, I think there's money avaliable
I think you're right. RL has learned lessons. We were supposed to be skintight last year and spunked 24m for Bent. I'm counting on AM to play it cool and ger us some good VFM signings.
He's never been open about his funding, I think that there's going to be a lot of players coming in but not for the money we paid on Bent. If he was going to make such a contraversal appointment he would have to back him to become a success
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Would've like Kieran Westwood from Cov but I think he's buggered off somewhere else so it'll be Fozzy for me please Alex.
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Hald of my family are all scottish rangers and rave about McGregor. I think realistically the best option is Foster. I don't think McGregor will leave and I certainly don't think he'll be cheaper than Foster. Would it be a fair assesment that he was one of the key players in Rangers title bid?
I don't buy into the were skint nonsense, I think there's money avaliable
McGregor was vital to our title success last season mate he was one of imo 4 players who performed consistently well throughout season
his save against the big Greek tranny in last Old Firm game at Ibrox was the title winning moment in my eyes.
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Hald of my family are all scottish rangers and rave about McGregor. I think realistically the best option is Foster. I don't think McGregor will leave and I certainly don't think he'll be cheaper than Foster. Would it be a fair assesment that he was one of the key players in Rangers title bid?
I don't buy into the were skint nonsense, I think there's money avaliable
McGregor was vital to our title success last season mate he was one of imo 4 players who performed consistently well throughout season
his save against the big Greek tranny in last Old Firm game at Ibrox was the title winning moment in my eyes.
I remember the moment very well mate! I didn't know wether it was the defining moment because there's been so many incidents this season.
Naismiths been vital aswell hasn't he? My dad seen somewhere that there's been talk of him down at vp, I have my doubts wether he'd cut it here though tbh
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Hald of my family are all scottish rangers and rave about McGregor. I think realistically the best option is Foster. I don't think McGregor will leave and I certainly don't think he'll be cheaper than Foster. Would it be a fair assesment that he was one of the key players in Rangers title bid?
I don't buy into the were skint nonsense, I think there's money avaliable
McGregor was vital to our title success last season mate he was one of imo 4 players who performed consistently well throughout season
his save against the big Greek tranny in last Old Firm game at Ibrox was the title winning moment in my eyes.
I remember the moment very well mate! I didn't know wether it was the defining moment because there's been so many incidents this season.
Naismiths been vital aswell hasn't he? My dad seen somewhere that there's been talk of him down at vp, I have my doubts wether he'd cut it here though tbh
Naismith started season brilliantly along with Kenny Miller then had a dip in form for a bit before finishing season superbly,
McGregor saving that penalty was vital had that went in couldn't see anyway back for us but the rest is history now they went to Inverness and bottled it thankfully.
Naismith has been linked to a few teams but don't see him leaving he is Rangers man and after an indifferent start to his Rangers career finally came of age last season, think he'd do well in premiership mate but probaly not a signing that would have fans excited.
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I don't see any reason why we need to replace Guzan as second choice. He's not perfect, but very few keepers are at that age and none of them are going to be happy being our reserve.
Should we give him a chance to start?
Probably not at the moment.
But there's no reason to get rid of him at the moment.
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I have a feeling the goalkeeping situation will be resolved this week. AM will want a first choice keeper in place before pre-season starts which I assume is next week.
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When is the first friendly?
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Apparently we've asked the Premier League for special dispensation to play spot goalie next season.
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The thread title is a giveaway...Given & Kuszczak.
Like: Robinson
Likely to be: Foster
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I'd say there ain't much between Foster and Robinson, so either would do me.
Given is also a very good back up option.
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I'd like the Fiorentina's Sebastian Frey, an excellent keeper that quarrelled with manager Mijhajlovic and was inserted in the transfer list.
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Robinson makes the most sense to me - decent age (32), experience, would fit straight in to being No.1 'keeper with no trouble, no real weaknesses, consistent, confident, good form (going on last season, anyway), and very gettable, I'm sure, from Blackburn, who would not demand a huge fee. £5m would secure him, I'm sure.
But his name doesn't appear to be mentioned at all in our thinking.
Given's shoulder problem worries me; I like Foster but think we may have to pay big money to get him; Green is too shaky; my concern over Al-Habsi is whether he's just a flash in the pan with one decent season at Wigan.
I've never seen McGregor play.
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It's been Tweeted that Paul Faulkner is away on honeymoon at the moment, so this may hinder the speedy deal we're all waiting for ( mainly Foster joining AVFC).
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I'd like the Fiorentina's Sebastian Frey, an excellent keeper that quarrelled with manager Mijhajlovic and was inserted in the transfer list.
How's Boruc been doing there?
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Sky Bet have just slashed our odds to 11/4 to sign Shay Given.
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It's been Tweeted that Paul Faulkner is away on honeymoon at the moment, so this may hinder the speedy deal we're all waiting for ( mainly Foster joining AVFC).
Perfect time for a honeymoon aint it? Nothing to do between Jan and May and he decides to go now when we require his services the most. No wonder we're up to nothing re; transfers.
Sebastian Frey would be cool though if he is transfer listed. Another Frenchman in the squad would help the likes of Makoun and tempt any possible french speaking targets.
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It's been Tweeted that Paul Faulkner is away on honeymoon at the moment, so this may hinder the speedy deal we're all waiting for ( mainly Foster joining AVFC).
Perfect time for a honeymoon aint it? Nothing to do between Jan and May and he decides to go now when we require his services the most. No wonder we're up to nothing re; transfers.
Sebastian Frey would be cool though if he is transfer listed. Another Frenchman in the squad would help the likes of Makoun and tempt any possible french speaking targets.
You cant register any new players until 01/07.......so him been away on honeymoon is not really a issue
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Plus he's entitled to a personal life. He has, after all, just got married.
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Anyone know much about this lad from Monaco we have been linked with?
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He's from Monaco.
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He's male.
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He plays in goal.
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He is a Monegasque from Monte Carlo.
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He would not pay any income tax.
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Why do I get just a wee bit suspicious of new posters trying to draw my attention to betting odds?
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Brice Jovial?
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Don't worry, apparently sky have now stopped taking bets on Shay Given coming to us.
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Maybe the time to look for some new blood instead of trawling through the usual stuff.
Given is surely to old and although so was Friedal IMO Friedal was a safer goalkeeper altogether.
So how about targets that are either unsettled or looking for new opportunities that we may be able to get.....How about.
Fraser Foster, 22 Great season for Norwich and predicted to be one of the new breed of up and coming keepers.
Igor Akinfeev, still young, very experienced all the same and gettable.
Sergio Asenjo, This is the fella that has been sidelined for David de Gea at Athletico he's been very unhappy about this all season long, a lot in Spain reckon he is the better keeper, word is he wants to move on in spite of the fact that De Gea may end up at Man Utd. He would be my choice, very talented by all accounts.
Of course Foster is the obvious and that's usually the road we take, but who would have thought Bent.
Another great keeper
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Daily Mail saying we're going to pay him £85k a week!
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If he's a free transfer with a shortish deal it wouldn't surprise me/
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Shocking if true, he should be on a pay as you play deal
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Daily Mail saying we're going to pay him £85k a week!
For Shay Given, blimey he must be used to the man citeh wages!
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How was Friedel a safer option than Given?
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Tomorrow's....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2009227/Aston-Villa-sign-Shay-Given-5m.html?ito=feeds-newsxml
March....
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1369477/Aston-Villa-planning-raid-Shay-Given.html
Two articles from The Mail. The first says he is willing to take a pay cut on his 80k a week wages, the second that he is demanding we match his 85k a week wages. Total bollocks and lazy journalism.
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I cant see us paying £5m and those sort of wages for a 35 year old.
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I think it will be about 4m and 60k a week wages.
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How was Friedel a safer option than Given?
By being a very good goalkeeper as opposed to an average, injury-prone one.
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Joe Lewis.
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Robinson or McGregor.
I'd be happy with Given or Foster.
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Joe Lewis.
Good shout, much better option than many on here, would the fans be willing to let the odd error go given he's so young though?
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Joe Lewis.
Good shout, much better option than many on here, would the fans be willing to let the odd error go given he's so young though?
No because hell be 24 in October but all goalies make mistakes even Oliver Kahn.
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If we're willing to pay 85k a week wages on a GK then we could be attracting the likes of Steklenberg, Handanovic or Akinfeev. I very much doubt any of them are on half of that at their current clubs. Granted there would be a larger transfer fee, but anything on top of the reported £5m for Given would make long term sense to me. Given would only be an option, IMO, if he's available on a free.
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£85k a week for Given. That's OTT. If that's true.
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He's a good keeper (one of the very few Irish players who is genuine international class), but he has gotten very injury prone lately and clearly his next club is likely to be his last at the top level. For me he represents too much of a risk, considering the necessary outlay. There must be some cheaper quality options available from the continent, why not use that scouting system Houllier is meant to have put in place and go and find someone?
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Given is injury prone. Rumour would have it that a proposed move to Arsenal in January fell through because of his dicky shoulder
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A big NO to Given.
I'd prefer somebody younger who will hold down the position for a few seasons without getting injured.
Foster, if not, Robinson.
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Given is a quality goalkeeper.
My concern would be over his wages and whether he dominates his box enough.
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He is the best fit for us. A proven and consistent goal keeper. Would be happy with Shay.
Foster would be my second choice, Green or Robinson wouldn't be too bad either. Hopfully this is true.
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Rather we'd have got Keiran Westwood in.
As others have said, Given is very injury prone now so be prepared for Guzan to play a fair few games next season.
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Still think we'll end up signing two keepers and Guzan will be off. Given plus say someone like Joe Lewis would be good.
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Guzan's still o.k as back up and to play in the cup games I think.
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How was Friedel a safer option than Given?
By being a very good goalkeeper as opposed to an average, injury-prone one.
Precisely, when was the last time Given was first choice anywhere, even to wet behind the ears upcoming keepers lacking experience he was benched.
We can do better than Given and we should do better, and if these wages that are being chucked about are true, yet again screams the inconsistency at the club.
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Rather we'd have got Keiran Westwood in.
As others have said, Given is very injury prone now so be prepared for Guzan to play a fair few games next season.
Thats the thing though, Given is a quality, experienced keeper so would be more than fine as our first choice. If he does get injured as is possible, the jury is out on Guzan, but i don't think anyone is harsh enough to write him off at this stage. I would not be too upset if he came in to replace an injured no1 for a couple of months. The only thing for me is, £5m and 80k / week is obscene considering he's at the latter stages of his career and although i don't think we will pay that amount, if we did it would be a big gamble.
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Good keeper, but that's far too much in salary. Surely we can't complain about the wage bill then spunk that much on a goalkeeper?
He's also highly injury prone, which concerns me. We'd need a decent back up.
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Rather we'd have got Keiran Westwood in.
As others have said, Given is very injury prone now so be prepared for Guzan to play a fair few games next season.
Thats the thing though, Given us a quality, experienced keeper so would be more than fine as our first choice, but if he does get injured as is possible, the jury is out on Guzan, but i don't think anyone is harsh enough to write him off at this stage. I would not be too upset if he came in to replace an injured no1 for a couple of months. The only thing for me is, £5m and 80k / week is obscene considering his at the latter stages of his career and although i don't think we will pay that amount, if we did it would be a big gamble.
5ML and 80k is criminal, if we have to take him it should be on loan and pay per play.
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If people think Shay Given is not goo enough for us, they are living in a dream world.
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If people think Shay Given is not goo enough for us, they are living in a dream world.
Come on, he's still a bit hard. He's got to soften up a bit before he's really gooey enough.
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I can't see us paying 80k a week for a 35 year old keeper, especially if we're trying to control the wage bill. If he comes in, we'll be paying him less than that.
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What was Friedel on, 50k?
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think new gk will be al habsi from bolton
the reason behind this is that if they sell gary gahill they will have to give us a share of that sale, so instead of giving cash will give us al habsi
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Don't Al Habsi play for Wigan? Now that would put a spanner in your plan.
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Don't Al Habsi play for Wigan? Now that would put a spanner in your plan.
Spanner back in the box, Ian. He plays for Bolton, on loan at Wigan
*wink*
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Don't Al Habsi play for Wigan? Now that would put a spanner in your plan.
I think he is a Bolton player but was on loan at Wigan last season, someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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The Doc
**beat me to it Paulie...damn you !!
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Don't Al Habsi play for Wigan? Now that would put a spanner in your plan.
I think he is a Bolton player but was on loan at Wigan last season, someone will correct me if I'm wrong.
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The Doc
**beat me to it Paulie...damn you !!
Fair do's, its hard to keep on all these loan deals.
Although I'm not sure about him. He did look good for most parts but there is this doubting feeling I have with him. I'd rather we went for Robinson myself, so I might throw a spanner of my own in.
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Joe Lewis from Peterbro' was linked to us in January
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Don't rate Given.....Paul Robinson all day for me.
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Anyone who thinks that Shay Given is good enough for us, is misty eyed over a 30 year old keeper who used to play a blinder against us every single game. The fact that five years on his shoulder is held together with gaffer tape is the key to why I don't want us to sign him. Robinson, Frey, Foster are the ones I would try for in that order.
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Don't rate Given.....Paul Robinson all day for me.
Same here. Top 2-3 best premier goalie last season. Younger, cheaper, and has been playing in the last season not 18 months ago ........
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And Robbo has always bantered with us on his visits. He's a good lad.
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Joe Lewis from Peterbro' was linked to us in January
Meant to be one of the better lower division keepers. Him and the lad at Huddersfield, Smithes or summat.
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Smithes; were we not linked with him in January and Houllier went to watch him a couple of times?
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I would rather go for Robinson instead of Given. Given on anything over £40,000/week is just bonkers.
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Anyone who thinks that Shay Given is good enough for us, is misty eyed over a 30 year old keeper who used to play a blinder against us every single game. The fact that five years on his shoulder is held together with gaffer tape is the key to why I don't want us to sign him.
I want a good GK. Unhappily, this is the impression I have of Given. But maybe his shoulder has got better. if so, what a bonus!
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Anyone who thinks that Shay Given is good enough for us, is misty eyed over a 30 year old keeper who used to play a blinder against us every single game. The fact that five years on his shoulder is held together with gaffer tape is the key to why I don't want us to sign him.
I want a good GK. Unhappily, this is the impression I have of Given. But maybe his shoulder has got better. if so, what a bonus!
I hope so. It seems so long since I've seen him play I've forgotten what he's like.
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If people think Shay Given is not goo enough for us, they are living in a dream world.
Dan, I Can Dream About You.
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Shay Given is still one of the best 'keepers in the business. I can't understand why people wouldn't want him here. I think he's better than Friedal. In my opinion, Given's arrival this summer would mean we had improved in that position.
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True. He is better than Friedel, but not the best keeper we could feasibly get. I would prefer Robinson or Foster. Still, I would be happy with Given in goal.
The only misgivings I have about him are the injury situation and the fact he stays on his line too much.
But an improvement, certainly.
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Shay Given is still one of the best 'keepers in the business. I can't understand why people wouldn't want him here. I think he's better than Friedal. In my opinion, Given's arrival this summer would mean we had improved in that position.
He's constantly injured, for starters.
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Given is better than Robinson or Foster and will be for the next 3-5 years. Say we sign him on a 3 year deal, then assess on whether age is catching up etc. Foster will be 3 years older and we will have a better idea of whether he can cut it as a Premier League keeper.
I think the strategy for signing keepers should be the opposite to outfield players. With all the conditioning, flexibility and other physical work that keepers do nowadays, they are able to keep going at their top level until they are 40 or more. Over the last few years the best keepers have been between 35-40 and I think you could say that this is their prime.
Goalkeeping is all about experience, organisation and concentration. These attributes improve with age. Put this with them being able to maintain their physical attributes and you see why the likes of Van Der Saar, Friedel, Schwarzer, James, even Sorensen for Stoke, had some of their best years in their late 30s.
Anyway that's just my theory. I am a bit surprised at Fergie splashing out on the 20 year old De Gea for this reason. I do think that goalkeeper signings have been a weakness of Fergie over his career though. Schmeichel was obviously a resounding success, but since then only Van Der Sar has worked out and that was after him being right under his nose at Fulham for about 4 years.
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Given is better than Robinson or Foster
I disagree. I think they're both better all round keepers.
Given probably edges the shot-stopping department but that's about it.
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Shay Given is still one of the best 'keepers in the business. I can't understand why people wouldn't want him here. I think he's better than Friedal. In my opinion, Given's arrival this summer would mean we had improved in that position.
He's constantly injured, for starters.
Eh...no he isn't.
You would never win 113 caps for your country if you were constantly injured.
Bar the recent shoulder problem, the only time I can remember him being injured in anyway seriously was when Marlon Harewood bundled into him and punctured his bowel.
Sure just look at Steve Harper's Newcastle appearances career while Given was there, it tells its own story.
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Shay Given is still one of the best 'keepers in the business. I can't understand why people wouldn't want him here. I think he's better than Friedal. In my opinion, Given's arrival this summer would mean we had improved in that position.
He's constantly injured, for starters.
Eh...no he isn't.
You would never win 113 caps for your country if you were constantly injured.
Bar the recent shoulder problem, the only time I can remember him being injured in anyway seriously was when Marlon Harewood bundled into him and punctured his bowel.
Sure just look at Steve Harper's Newcastle appearances career while Given was there, it tells its own story.
His injury problem is relatively recent which is a concern. He's played over 400 club games and as you pointed out 113 times for Ireland so it's not like his entire career has been plagued by injury.
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Was it Given who injured himself when Bouma scuffed his only goal in for Villa in front of the Holte against the Toon?
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Was it Given who injured himself when Bouma scuffed his only goal in for Villa in front of the Holte against the Toon?
No, Harper I think.
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Given is better than Robinson or Foster
I disagree. I think they're both better all round keepers.
Given probably edges the shot-stopping department but that's about it.
I'll agree to disagree on Robinson. He has come back a good keeper after a couple of poor years. Maybe how badly he was treated by England had something to do with it.
But, Foster has had 1 good season with Watford and 1 with Birmingham last year. He is 28 and that's all the Premier League experience he has had. From the limited times I have seen him, I would have to say his delivery has been poor.
By the way, the stuff about Given not commanding his area etc., is a myth and I hope he gets to dispell it this season at Villa Park.
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However much it is, we all know McLeish has got a budget to balance and while Given's not my first choice, if Foster is going to cost £9-£10m (and I read a story earlier in the week that his contract release clause is £9m - true or not I don't know) then.... I'm not sure we're in a position to spend the best part of £10m on a 'keeper. Especially one who still has the odd question mark against him.
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Rene Adler.
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Shay Given is a better GK than Foster. Foster is a good shot stopper, but Shay is probably the best around at that. Foster can't kick, or command an area. The only benefit to Foster is that he is younger, but that would be reflected in his fee. Given has also shown he can handle the pressure of a big club, something Foster bottled at United.
15 Clean sheets in 44 games for Man City during the 09/10 season says all you need to know about Given.
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There's rumours about Craig Gordon going to Arsenal...
Perhaps with De Vries going to the Dogheads we should make a cheeky punt for Wayne Hennessey?