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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: jonzy85 on June 21, 2011, 10:50:20 AM
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I never quite understood what happened with Warnock last season. He started the season playing regularly and was fairly awful (along with the rest of the team). But others were dropped then brought back in, but Warnock was completely bombed out.
Now excuse my ignorance here, I believe there may have been some row with Houllier over where he lived?? I suspect this happened around the time last season when I avoided all Villa-related media stories and websites like the plague. What actually happened? Do we know or is it conjecture? I just didnt understand the whole "Warnock-being-a-d***" stuff.
Either way, am I alone in hoping that he is given a clean slate? True he was awful last season, but on that basis we would be looking to get rid of most of the squad. It's not that long ago since he went to the World Cup and was our regular left back in the 09/10 season, when we had the 2nd best defence in the league. There isn't exactly an over-supply of quality left backs around and certainly not experienced Premier League ones like Warnock. I think we could end up spending a lot of money replacing him and not get much in return as his value would be quite low right now.
I hope Eck gives him another chance and maybe signs a young up and coming left back as his understudy. There also is the option of playing him in midfield, if required.
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His attitude was absolutely rotten from the accounts that I remember hearing last season. If it's true he said something along the lines of "fuck you and this shitty club" (i'm paraphrasing, but remember it being something similar to this), then he should never play for us again.
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I'd heard rumours of Warnock and Dunne being late for training and rather the worse for wear.
Dunne knuckled down but Warnock didn't.
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Warnock was great up until he got rushed back for the Carling Cup Final by O'Neill.
Then I don't think he was fit the rest of that season.
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Get Rid!!
If we signed Tevez I might consider putting up with his shite attitude as he a a great player. Warnock is too wank to be anything other than a model proffesional.
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José Enrique of Newcastle, we should go get him as our left back. Otherwise sign a right back and push Young into Left back where he can always do a solid job. I think it'd be best Warnock went.
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Mcleish in the next 2 weeks needs to get rid of Dunne, Warnock & Ireland. If he does then I will start to be won over
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Depends whether our budget will stretch to someone like Enrique who I rate.
If it doesn't, maybe just give Warnock a second chance and if he doesn't take it then we can maybe look elsewhere in Januray?
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He was good when he signed, but rushed back for the final as someone else mentioned above and never got his form back for the rest of 09/10. Last summer he was in the team and doing moderately well, but as soon as Houllier came in his card was marked as he got rid of him from Liverpool.
Cliche time - "I think there's a good player in there somewhere", but if he's attitude is not right best to get rid for what we can. I'm happy to leave it up to Mcleish to decide.
Another thing to consider though is with his presumed brief for using the kids more, might we be seeing Clark as our first choice LB next season? It makes sense as he has form for using a CB there (Agent Ridgewell) and it would give the lad good experience before he eventually moves into the centre of the defence.
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I wouldn't want Clark to be a left back, he'll be wasted there as I think he'll be a top class centre back.
I think McLeish will give all the players here a fresh start. Including Warnock, Ireland & Dunne.
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My understanding is him and GH had 'previous'. Doesn't excuse how he acted, but realistically how many of our troublemakers are we going to offload? Pre-season will tell us if some of them are willing to knuckle-down. I'll be interested to see what shirt size Dunne is wearing for a start.
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For me he has to give every player a clean slate, if only for the potential financial loss we could incur.Ireland especially has an abundance of ability and whilst he appears to be an arsehole i'm not planning on socialising with him so he'd be judged by what he does on the pitch rather anything he said off it.
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For me he has to give every player a clean slate, if only for the potential financial loss we could incur.
That's fine in theory, but as he's retianed Sid I can imagine the first thing he'll do is get a run down of each player from him - can you imagine what he'll say about Dunne, for instance?
McLeish is a disciplinarian, so taking one of the three (Warnock, Dunne and Ireland) and showing the rest of the squad who's boss by fucking them out the door might be a good way to start!
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Warnock's a funny one. Excellent for six months, then fairly ordinary (though still going to the WC), then all over the place for six months (ill-disciplined, flying into reckless challenges), then completely bombed out of the squad even though we barely had a senior LB to turn to.
Be interested to see what AM does with him, and one or others. Something that struck me about GH is that he seemed to have big problems with a handful of players we barely heard a peep out of under MON.
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Warnock's a funny one. Excellent for six months, then fairly ordinary (though still going to the WC), then all over the place for six months (ill-disciplined, flying into reckless challenges), then completely bombed out of the squad even though we barely had a senior LB to turn to.
Be interested to see what AM does with him, and one or others. Something that struck me about GH is that he seemed to have big problems with a handful of players we barely heard a peep out of under MON.
yeah but they were the ones who under MON were guaranteed to play however crap they were barring injury. Most people could name our starting line-up and subs bench every week.
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I think we should get rid of Warnock although I believe AM will give him another chance just like Ireland and Dunne etc etc.
Personally, I think Warnock knew deep down his days were numbered when GH came in as wasn't he the one who got rid of him when he was at Liverpool or was that rafa? :-\
I just dont think he is good enough anymore and will struggle to find his best form from now on.
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Very true Gregnash,most weeks we also knew who the sub and subbed and what time it would be to
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Warnock's a funny one. Excellent for six months, then fairly ordinary (though still going to the WC), then all over the place for six months (ill-disciplined, flying into reckless challenges), then completely bombed out of the squad even though we barely had a senior LB to turn to.
Be interested to see what AM does with him, and one or others. Something that struck me about GH is that he seemed to have big problems with a handful of players we barely heard a peep out of under MON.
yeah but they were the ones who under MON were guaranteed to play however crap they were barring injury. Most people could name our starting line-up and subs bench every week.
The ones who weren't playing were hardly vocal though either.
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I am counting down the minutes until the first I am misunderstood, nobody ever gives me a chance, story of the summer.
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From Ireland I should add.
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Warnock's a funny one. Excellent for six months, then fairly ordinary (though still going to the WC), then all over the place for six months (ill-disciplined, flying into reckless challenges), then completely bombed out of the squad even though we barely had a senior LB to turn to.
Be interested to see what AM does with him, and one or others. Something that struck me about GH is that he seemed to have big problems with a handful of players we barely heard a peep out of under MON.
yeah but they were the ones who under MON were guaranteed to play however crap they were barring injury. Most people could name our starting line-up and subs bench every week.
The ones who weren't playing were hardly vocal though either.
True but most of MON's squad signings probably realised being at Villa being paid 40k a week for doing nothing was about as good as it was going to get for them. If you were MFH for instance, i wouldn't be that tempted to leave for a 15k a week wages drop
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You get my point though - the squad seemed a very tight bunch under MON and I'm curious as to why, under him, Dunne, Collins and Warnock all seemed very professional, committed, consistent. Under GH suddenly form dropped/disappeared, off field issues were raised, etc. Interesting to see how AM handles these same players.
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True but most of MON's squad signings probably realised being at Villa being paid 40k a week for doing nothing was about as good as it was going to get for them. If you were MFH for instance, i wouldn't be that tempted to leave for a 15k a week wages drop
True, but the players now 'playing up' are also paid handsomely, so the argument doesn't stack up that the only reason they weren't doing it under MON was as they were playing.
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There was history between him and GH from Liverpool so it was always likely to go wrong between them. As for giving him another chance, well I've never taken to him, even when he was supposedly playing well, just never thought he was anything special. He seems a bit thick and arrogant, regularly allows himself to get drawn into spats with opposing wingers that invariably end in him giving away needless dangerous free kicks. I think we need better and could do better and I hope we do.
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You get my point though - the squad seemed a very tight bunch under MON and I'm curious as to why, under him, Dunne, Collins and Warnock all seemed very professional, committed, consistent. Under GH suddenly form dropped/disappeared, off field issues were raised, etc. Interesting to see how AM handles these same players.
Yep, that's been my opinion all along.Dunne in particular is held in very high regard by his former managers.Anyway, that along with Houllier is the past now.As for Sid, well he's been involved in coaching for the best part of 20yrs and i'd very much doubt he hasn't had fallings out in the past.I'm sure both coach and player have the ability to be professional about any personal feelings (should the reports be 100% true).McLeish is facing a hard enough job as it is trying to win over the fans,he'll want to keep the senior pros onside.
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True but most of MON's squad signings probably realised being at Villa being paid 40k a week for doing nothing was about as good as it was going to get for them. If you were MFH for instance, i wouldn't be that tempted to leave for a 15k a week wages drop
True, but the players now 'playing up' are also paid handsomely, so the argument doesn't stack up that the only reason they weren't doing it under MON was as they were playing.
Different circumstances. If you're MFH or Beye and there's nowt better to hope for then you'll probably keep your mouth shut.. If you're good enough to play in the PL, or think you are, then maybe not.
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I see they are advertising last seasons dvd on the club website
'relive last season' Are they kidding ?!
I would have thought the first day and the last week of the season will make short viewing
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True but most of MON's squad signings probably realised being at Villa being paid 40k a week for doing nothing was about as good as it was going to get for them. If you were MFH for instance, i wouldn't be that tempted to leave for a 15k a week wages drop
True, but the players now 'playing up' are also paid handsomely, so the argument doesn't stack up that the only reason they weren't doing it under MON was as they were playing.
Different circumstances. If you're MFH or Beye and there's nowt better to hope for then you'll probably keep your mouth shut.. If you're good enough to play in the PL, or think you are, then maybe not.
Not really as I think similar applies to those who have been unsettled last season as they're highly unlikely to get similar money if/when they leave here.
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Warnock was a disaster at Left Back, he wasn't even that bad on the deck he was just crap at heading and time and time again you'd see teams coming to Villa Park and trying to play the long ball over the back of him or at least try and put it in the air near him.
We've never been able to replace Freddy Bouma have we? I think Clarke could be the answer if he's given a long run in the team to build experience/develop his skills.
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True but most of MON's squad signings probably realised being at Villa being paid 40k a week for doing nothing was about as good as it was going to get for them. If you were MFH for instance, i wouldn't be that tempted to leave for a 15k a week wages drop
True, but the players now 'playing up' are also paid handsomely, so the argument doesn't stack up that the only reason they weren't doing it under MON was as they were playing.
Different circumstances. If you're MFH or Beye and there's nowt better to hope for then you'll probably keep your mouth shut.. If you're good enough to play in the PL, or think you are, then maybe not.
Not really as I think similar applies to those who have been unsettled last season as they're highly unlikely to get similar money if/when they leave here.
well the proof in the pudding is how many of the players who were totally out of the running under MON, started shouting the odds when Houllier took over and they still found themselves in the cold? Maybe i've missed it but i don't remember too many "Beye - let me go Houllier" or "Curtis demands move" headlines. The only ones who played up were exclusively from those who were no longer nailed on starters and think they can still cut it in the premiership
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well the proof in the pudding is how many of the players who were totally out of the running under MON, started shouting the odds when Houllier took over and they still found themselves in the cold? Maybe i've missed it but i don't remember too many "Beye - let me go Houllier" or "Curtis demands move" headlines. The only ones who played up were exclusively from those who were no longer nailed on starters and think they can still cut it in the premiership
To me that was Gezza's frosty exterior and methods rubbing them up the wrong way. You could also argue that regular/nailed starters who no longer got an automatic place didn't create any trouble, such as Gabby and Cuellar.
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I think Dunne, Warnock and Ireland should be fucked off post haste, if nothing else to underline that you don't get away with behaving like they have at this football club.
It's a perfect opportunity under a new regime to make it clear the standards expected, especially as we will be bringing players through at the start of their careers. We don't need bitter bastards with grudges stinking the place out, and besides they'll only get in the way.
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Would anyone add Collins to the list of players mentioned above? He was involved in a bust up with the coaching staff as well. Just saying. I like Collins as a player but not sure his partnership with Dunne has lived up to the previous seasons standard.
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Would anyone add Collins to the list of players mentioned above? He was involved in a bust up with the coaching staff as well. Just saying. I like Collins as a player but not sure his partnership with Dunne has lived up to the previous seasons standard.
I thought about that, and I'd give him another chance as other that he's behaved (as far as we know), and he puts him body on the line enough to give him the benefit.
Needs to toe the line though, and could do with making himself a bit leaner.
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Would anyone add Collins to the list of players mentioned above? He was involved in a bust up with the coaching staff as well. Just saying. I like Collins as a player but not sure his partnership with Dunne has lived up to the previous seasons standard.
I thought about that, and I'd give him another chance as other that he's behaved (as far as we know), and he puts him body on the line enough to give him the benefit.
Needs to toe the line though, and could do with making himself a bit leaner.
True, he seems to put his body in front of the ball than the other defenders. Its a shame we didnt get to see him and cuellar more in the heart of the defence.
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Agreed.
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Collins positioning is awful. Keep as a back up maybe but if his wages are too high, get him out.
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Give him another chance if he wants it? I heard he wanted out regardless, im sure time will tell !!
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If it was me personally I would get rid of Collins as well as Dunne. Apart from being involved in Chairgate, didn't he break another curfew as well?
Too many players take the piss, I wouldn't mind if any of theme were remotely close to world beaters but they aint
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I think people are being a bit precious about Warnock and the other named players.
Of course, we all want everyone of the players to be completely professional 100% of the time and fully committed to Villa. But unfortunately that is not going to be the case with every player. I dont want to be mates with these players, I just want them to play well for Aston Villa, even if everyone of them is a jumped up twat.
Ireland is a case in point. I absolutley hated him before he came to Villa for the way he has disrepsected the Irish national team and he has done nothing to endear himself since his arrival. However, I do recognise that he could potentially be a class player for us under the right manager and if he is, I will still consider him a c***.
As for the others, I dont see where the hatred against them comes from. The issues they had was with the previous management. That regime is gone, they are still here, I dont see why we wouldnt give them a clean slate.
In my view, the way Rooney acted at Man U last year was far worse than anything Collins, Dunne or Warnock did from the fans point of view. Ditto with Tevez at Man City.
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MEGA BUMP
Warnock has done an Under The Cosh interview, which is very interesting about his time at Villa - covering his signing by MON through Houllier, McLeish before Lambert got rid of him.
The Villa stuff starts at about 55 minutes in:
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Wasn't sure whether to stick it in Villa Memories, but it will get more views here I guess.
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I like Warnock . Always says good things about Villa and talks well.
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What a depressing insight into the MON era. I'm sure there must have been some method to his madness, but to be so close, yet not to do the basics to keep players fit and have tactical insights into matches cost us.
Gabby also comes across as a twat too. Milner and Luke Young - class.
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What a depressing insight into the MON era. I'm sure there must have been some method to his madness, but to be so close, yet not to do the basics to keep players fit and have tactical insights into matches cost us.
Gabby also comes comes across as a twat too. Milner and Luke Young - class.
Not just that, the lurch from MON to Houllier as well, top succession planning there.
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I like Warnock . Always says good things about Villa and talks well.
With him, I can't think of many players where their form fell off a cliff quite so dramatically. He cost a fair whack for the time, was great for the first half of his first season with us, and was being talked about as an England regular. But then he went completely and utterly shit and was in the Championship a couple of years later.
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I like Warnock . Always says good things about Villa and talks well.
With him, I can't think of many players where their form fell off a cliff quite so dramatically. He cost a fair whack for the time, was great for the first half of his first season with us, and was being talked about as an England regular. But then he went completely and utterly shit and was in the Championship a couple of years later.
It always seems odd when things like that happen then you listen to him talk about that time and his experiences and you see there's so much more going on than just what we see on the pitch.
Houllier in particular comes across as a right arsehole, and I know there's two sides and everything but it's not the first time I've heard stuff like that about him.
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Well the video certainly explains the bombing out after the City game. I didn't get chance to listen to him under McLeish which would be the part which Risso mentioned.
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He's quite involved in the NBC Premier League coverage over here in the States. Always talks well, comes across as a good bloke. Nothing bad to say about him.
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He's quite involved in the NBC Premier League coverage over here in the States. Always talks well, comes across as a good bloke. Nothing bad to say about him.
Agreed, like Warnock as a pundit.
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He reviews the weekends results on Sky Sports News on a Monday morning with Sue Smith, who is also excellent btw, & Warnock knows his stuff & comes across well.
I never rated him as a player, but then at the time we were a shit-show, but I like him as a pundit.
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That video is an insult to Villa fans. And to think that utter c*** O'Neill successfully sued the club for unfair dismisal. The wanker should have been done for fraud and stealing a living.
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That video is an insult to Villa fans. And to think that utter c*** O'Neill successfully sued the club for unfair dismisal. The wanker should have been done for fraud and stealing a living.
Makes my blood boil hearing about O'Neill. To think what we could have done had we got a proper manager in over that period.
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That video is an insult to Villa fans. And to think that utter c*** O'Neill successfully sued the club for unfair dismisal. The wanker should have been done for fraud and stealing a living.
Makes my blood boil hearing about O'Neill. To think what we could have done had we got a proper manager in over that period.
When he reels off the players we had again you wonder how good we could've been then with proper coaching and training. What a fucking waste.
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He reviews the weekends results on Sky Sports News on a Monday morning with Sue Smith, who is also excellent btw, & Warnock knows his stuff & comes across well.
I never rated him as a player, but then at the time we were a shit-show, but I like him as a pundit.
he always said we would finish top 4 too
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Having a go at a player like Milner because he the brass neck to actually ask to do some proper training? And you can understand why he took against Luke Young, if he had the similar temerity to take the warm ups. Fucking hell.
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It’s Gabby for me. Running the dressing room. I’ve seen other recent podcasts where O’Neill says back in on Tuesday and he goes to him and persuades him that they’ll be back on Thursday. And as many of us suspected at the time they were totally fcuked by March each season he was there and now we know why. What a Cnut he was. As well as the Manager.
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
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Matches take their toll on squads. Understandable after 50+ games like this season, criminal after 30 games, season after season, under spoilt brat that was MON.
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
I don't think it did, not from me anyway. Whenever we came up against real thinkers and proper modern coaches we looked inferior, we relied on magic and set pieces.
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Imagine Emery with that team. Anybody pissing off to Marbs for a couple of days wouldn't be coming back.
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
I don't think it did, not from me anyway. Whenever we came up against real thinkers and proper modern coaches we looked inferior, we relied on magic and set pieces.
And plenty of people were indeed pointing that out at the time.
I wasn't one of them, mind.
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
I don't think it did, not from me anyway. Whenever we came up against real thinkers and proper modern coaches we looked inferior, we relied on magic and set pieces.
This is total revisionism by me because I was a MONette until the bitter end, but when you consider that one of those thinkers and modern coaches was Henry Redknapp, well, it's sobering.
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Imagine Emery with that team. Anybody pissing off to Marbs for a couple of days wouldn't be coming back.
Marbs? Gabby pissed off to Vegas a few times a season. 12 hour flight and then drinking, gambling and partying for 4 days, then another 12-14 hour flight back. Plus the 2-3 hours travel back from Manchester/London.
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
I don't think it did, not from me anyway. Whenever we came up against real thinkers and proper modern coaches we looked inferior, we relied on magic and set pieces.
And plenty of people were indeed pointing that out at the time.
I wasn't one of them, mind.
I sort of was, but as a young lad hopeful to the point of self-delusion I imagined that MON knew it too and was trying to change it. Reader, he fucking was not.
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
I don't think it did, not from me anyway. Whenever we came up against real thinkers and proper modern coaches we looked inferior, we relied on magic and set pieces.
And plenty of people were indeed pointing that out at the time.
I wasn't one of them, mind.
I sort of was, but as a young lad hopeful to the point of self-delusion I imagined that MON knew it too and was trying to change it. Reader, he fucking was not.
Yep, same here.
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Me and Paulie had him bang to rights from the off. ;)
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
I don't think it did, not from me anyway. Whenever we came up against real thinkers and proper modern coaches we looked inferior, we relied on magic and set pieces.
And plenty of people were indeed pointing that out at the time.
I wasn't one of them, mind.
I sort of was, but as a young lad hopeful to the point of self-delusion I imagined that MON knew it too and was trying to change it. Reader, he fucking was not.
Yes, despite my misgivings I was firmly in this group. The innocence of youth.
I was 30.
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The only thing I really noticed was he didn't have a plan b from counter attacking football. Also I remember one match at home to Spurs when we were mullering them down their right. 1-0 up and the aforementioned Rednapp spotted it after about half an hour and bought Chimbonda on and he completely owned us down there for the rest of the game. He didn't seem to have an answer to simple tactical changes by opposition Managers. It was also like Pompey at home when get got smashed 3-0.
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I wasn't a MONette at the time. Insight 😎. I think people just thought I was a miserable prick for moaning. The issue was, that was also undeniable.
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Me and Paulie had him bang to rights from the off. ;)
You can add me to that group as well. I remember getting stick for it at the time.
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As a general rule, I tend to warm to former Villa players and managers over time. Any animosity I had for them during their time here tends to wane, and I end up remembering the better elements of their time with us, ahead of the worst bits.
For MON, it's the exact opposite. The more I hear, the angrier I get. The position we were in. The players we had. Although things are going great right now, it's clear his total fuck-ups with that bunch of players cost us the chance of getting to the top table of world football 15 years earlier.
It's absolutely no wonder Milner couldn't wait to get out of here.
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I liked him, but I recognised his limitations.
I remember losing my shit at one 0-0 v Fulham.
And then there was Stoke, after Moscow.
But it wasn't until the twat waiting as long as possible to bail, just to ruin our season & protect his own reputation, that I began despising the pube headed little c**t.
I wouldn't piss on the twat if he was on fire...
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My other half got me his book for Christmas, I couldn't believe it, I hated the idea that gave money to him.
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What's incredible is how a multi-million pound organisation can be run in such an amateurish fashion for so long.
If only Randy had appointed someone who knew something about football as a Sporting Director, and they then recruited and appointed an actual coach.
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My other half got me his book for Christmas, I couldn't believe it, I hated the idea that gave money to him.
I would definitely burn it...
And enjoy every flame.
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Me and Paulie had him bang to rights from the off. ;)
Ha! Glad you were both listening to me. ;) I really couldn't see what all the fuss was about when we hired him. Never been a fan of his, inheriting Larsson at Celtic pretty much guaranteed his success in Scotland and watching these videos just confirms how far he had his head up his arse. Total chancer.
EDIT: We're you playing with the stiffs on Villatalk at the time? ;D That's a rewriting of history even MON would be proud of.
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My other half got me his book for Christmas, I couldn't believe it, I hated the idea that gave money to him.
was it titled ‘My part in their down-fall’?
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As a general rule, I tend to warm to former Villa players and managers over time. Any animosity I had for them during their time here tends to wane, and I end up remembering the better elements of their time with us, ahead of the worst bits.
For MON, it's the exact opposite. The more I hear, the angrier I get. The position we were in. The players we had. Although things are going great right now, it's clear his total fuck-ups with that bunch of players cost us the chance of getting to the top table of world football 15 years earlier.
It's absolutely no wonder Milner couldn't wait to get out of here.
History is less kind to O'Neill over time. Rightly so. He was very lucky that the subsequent appointments were woeful.
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What's incredible is how a multi-million pound organisation can be run in such an amateurish fashion for so long.
If only Randy had appointed someone who knew something about football as a Sporting Director, and they then recruited and appointed an actual coach.
It's amazing what you can get away with when results are going in your favour. Clearly MON's approach appealed to a certain type of player in that mid-90s to 2010 period, and it got pretty good results from them. Maybe that same bunch of players would have HATED being in hour-long video meetings on a daily basis, or having their diets micro-managed, or having every metre of their game anaylsed. Or maybe they would have been elevated to the maximum their natural talent would allow.
I would love to hear Ashley Young doing an interview like this when he retires. Comparing MON's approach to those of Ferguson, Conte at Inter and even Unai last season. I imagine Ashley loved playing under MON, but I wonder if now, with the benefit of hindsight, he realises how much more he could have achieved if the whole club had been more professional.
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I noticed a link from that page to one Gabby has done with Ben Heath in the last 2hours. I don't think I can cope with two hours of him so anyone who wants to, knock themselves out.
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God listening to Warnock talk about MON...his strong suit was meant to be the motivation, because Christ knows it wasn't tactical, but Jesus. He just sounds like a bully.
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What's incredible is how a multi-million pound organisation can be run in such an amateurish fashion for so long.
If only Randy had appointed someone who knew something about football as a Sporting Director, and they then recruited and appointed an actual coach.
It's amazing what you can get away with when results are going in your favour. Clearly MON's approach appealed to a certain type of player in that mid-90s to 2010 period, and it got pretty good results from them. Maybe that same bunch of players would have HATED being in hour-long video meetings on a daily basis, or having their diets micro-managed, or having every metre of their game anaylsed. Or maybe they would have been elevated to the maximum their natural talent would allow.
I would love to hear Ashley Young doing an interview like this when he retires. Comparing MON's approach to those of Ferguson, Conte at Inter and even Unai last season. I imagine Ashley loved playing under MON, but I wonder if now, with the benefit of hindsight, he realises how much more he could have achieved if the whole club had been more professional.
Warnock seems to indicate him and Gabby were the ring leaders on getting the time off etc. But then both were only just in their 20's weren't they under MON.
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Smithy mentions 'The position we were in. The players we had.' Also the money we spent. As Warnock points out, he was the most expensive left back at the time he signed for us. Gabby gets a lot of stick but he was bang-on about the player appraisals..and he along with Ashley Young were Teachers' Pets.
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For all I enjoyed watching the team at that time it did all seem a bit spur of the moment on the pitch. Something that went unnoticed at the time I suppose.
I don't think it did, not from me anyway. Whenever we came up against real thinkers and proper modern coaches we looked inferior, we relied on magic and set pieces.
And plenty of people were indeed pointing that out at the time.
I wasn't one of them, mind.
Yeah - I remember in a FA Cup game v ManU (who else) and basically they doubled up on Young (Neville and AN Other) and that was it. Lost 2.0
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Warnock seems to indicate him and Gabby were the ring leaders on getting the time off etc. But then both were only just in their 20's weren't they under MON.
In the James Collins interview he talks about the players getting Gabby and Ashley to get them more days off as MON couldn't say no to them.
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As the following three/four/five managers had to deal with the fallout from MON's time in charge - which wasn't sorted until Bruce rocked up - then the damage he did to our club is up there with McNeil, Ellis and First World War!
Then, look at the leaches that hung around, that we paid millions, that just didn't give a flying fcuk. Gabby being the ringleader. He should never be allowed in Villa Park again, the fraud.
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He's a decent pundit he might be more than decent but his last days with us as a player sully him now particularly for his performance for my first visit to the Etihad. He was atrocious for us that day and very good for Man City.
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Warnock seems to indicate him and Gabby were the ring leaders on getting the time off etc. But then both were only just in their 20's weren't they under MON.
In the James Collins interview he talks about the players getting Gabby and Ashley to get them more days off as MON couldn't say no to them.
Similar in the other one linked the other day where it was someone (don't think it was Collins) and Sidwell and they also mentioned this and Gabby going off to Vegas.
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Warnock seems to indicate him and Gabby were the ring leaders on getting the time off etc. But then both were only just in their 20's weren't they under MON.
In the James Collins interview he talks about the players getting Gabby and Ashley to get them more days off as MON couldn't say no to them.
Similar in the other one linked the other day where it was someone (don't think it was Collins) and Sidwell and they also mentioned this and Gabby going off to Vegas.
There's a big Gabby interview out today where he talks about his partying etc. After the Warnock interview I don't have the strength to watch it today. Life's too short.
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I like Warnock . Always says good things about Villa and talks well.
With him, I can't think of many players where their form fell off a cliff quite so dramatically. He cost a fair whack for the time, was great for the first half of his first season with us, and was being talked about as an England regular. But then he went completely and utterly shit and was in the Championship a couple of years later.
Now we know why, O'Neill was obviously toxic.
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I like Warnock . Always says good things about Villa and talks well.
With him, I can't think of many players where their form fell off a cliff quite so dramatically. He cost a fair whack for the time, was great for the first half of his first season with us, and was being talked about as an England regular. But then he went completely and utterly shit and was in the Championship a couple of years later.
Now we know why, O'Neill was obviously toxic.
Yeah, it's really interesting that Risso's observation of his form ties in EXACTLY to that "MON review" from Warnock's interview, which he admitted had the exact opposite effect as intended, and left him not even that excited about reaching a cup final. For someone lauded for his man-management, MON totally screwed the pooch on that one. I wonder how many other players suffered similarly?
I do wonder if this perception of "great man manager" comes from the fact that he could only manage one type of player (and those players are quite vocal about it). The type of player who enjoyed being left to his own devices all week, and being given nothing but a rousing speech before a game. Because clearly he couldn't manage players like Milner and Warnock who wanted "more" from him and his coaching staff.
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Am I the only one here thinking that Warnock must be fragile if he's going to let something like that completely demotivate him?
I take on board the poor man management by O'Neill, but Warnock was saying he was in the form of his life, but then this review took all the wind out of his sails. Footballers tend to be alpha male types by all accounts, so why did this affect him to the point that he couldn't get excited about getting to a cup final? Was there nothing in him that would've made him say "I'll show that moron"?
The whole thing just seems odd to me.
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Am I the only one here thinking that Warnock must be fragile if he's going to let something like that completely demotivate him?
I take on board the poor man management by O'Neill, but Warnock was saying he was in the form of his life, but then this review took all the wind out of his sails. Footballers tend to be alpha male types by all accounts, so why did this affect him to the point that he couldn't get excited about getting to a cup final? Was there nothing in him that would've made him say "I'll show that moron"?
The whole thing just seems odd to me.
I completely understand Warnocks reaction, it’s up to a manager to get the best out of his players and O’Neill totally failed with him and probably many others.
There are very few people who respond well to negativity and a bloke who’s job it is to motivate a team should know that.
He was an arrogant conceited xxxx and Warnock isn’t the first to blow his reputation.
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MON and SG seem to have the same approach to coaching. Don't bother, just let the forward/attacking players produce a bit of magic and we will be OK.
Ashley Young and Gabby were happy to do their own thing, so MON let them away lightly, whereas the defenders and central midfielders were looking for proper coaching and instruction.
Unbelievable hearing that the players were telling MON they weren't fit enough, so he just gets them to run around some cones a bit more. Makes the March collapses easier to understand now.
The players living in Manchester or London and not closer to Bodymoor Heath as they only had maybe one training session a week is just nuts, sounds like we were such a soft touch.
Gabby was obviously just left alone and took the piss with his partying, (must listen to his interview)
Houllier sounds like a bitter and sadistic headteacher trying to prove a point to a disruptive pupil.
McLeish, what we always thought, a decent enough bloke, who at least was trying to do the right thing, Lambert was just following orders building the bomb squad and shipping out the high earners.
Horrible to hear.
I used to be a MON believer, but as someone else has said, the more i hear now the more i dislike him, we had a great opportunity to really push on, and he wasted it.
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Regarding the mid-season review, Warnock explained it was MON trying to use reverse psychology, but it had the opposite effect on him. He said he used to use a mind coach at Blackburn, but stopped when he came to Villa, but he realised he should have continued on.
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It just sounds like MON was a proper c**t, Houllier was a chippy old sod, McLeish was nice but a bit odd and inadequate, Lambert was about as communicative as a potato, and Lerner had absolutely no control over anything.
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In light of that you can see why Tactics To. Hm and his chirpy optimism worked well initially.
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In light of that you can see why Tactics To. Hm and his chirpy optimism worked well initially.
The same when people still gave Stuart Pearce manager jobs. The first six months of his gung-ho battle-cries worked wonders, then they all realised that's all he had and his teams would drop off a cliff.
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Am I the only one here thinking that Warnock must be fragile if he's going to let something like that completely demotivate him?
I take on board the poor man management by O'Neill, but Warnock was saying he was in the form of his life, but then this review took all the wind out of his sails. Footballers tend to be alpha male types by all accounts, so why did this affect him to the point that he couldn't get excited about getting to a cup final? Was there nothing in him that would've made him say "I'll show that moron"?
The whole thing just seems odd to me.
I watched it a clip I thought exactly the same. The other players saying "don't listen to a word he says" when on his way into the meeting and yet what does Warnock do? Takes everything on board and lets it break him into pieces.
More likely some off the pitch issues that led to him dropping off. affairs, alcohol, betting usual footballer stuff.
I've watched a couple of these interviews and it's like the hooligan books, the same bs repeated. No food in the canteen had to bring a packed lunch I was like WTF! had to wash our own kit I was like WTF! had to fly economy WTF! The manager told me I was shit I was like WTF? ;D
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Yep similar in that gabby one that’s out now especially his excuse culture for his antics in 2016.
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As a general rule, I tend to warm to former Villa players and managers over time. Any animosity I had for them during their time here tends to wane, and I end up remembering the better elements of their time with us, ahead of the worst bits.
For MON, it's the exact opposite. The more I hear, the angrier I get. The position we were in. The players we had. Although things are going great right now, it's clear his total fuck-ups with that bunch of players cost us the chance of getting to the top table of world football 15 years earlier.
It's absolutely no wonder Milner couldn't wait to get out of here.
Hear hear. The more we hear, the worse it sounds. As has been said often enough, to have been so close yet so far from well lead…
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Imagine what would have happened if Milner had gone and done the right thing and told him he had pubes on his head.
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I dont remember where reading about the review. He was poor in the Cup Final and never recovered after that. I didn't realise MON had broken him.
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Ever noticed in these footballer interviews how they’re utterly blameless themselves for absolutely everything? Not disputing MON wasn’t a vindictive chancer of course.
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Ever noticed in these footballer interviews how they’re utterly blameless themselves for absolutely everything?
Doesn't he say that his sports psychologist would have told him to ignore what O'Neill had said, and in hindsight, he should have just dismissed it?
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Am I the only one here thinking that Warnock must be fragile if he's going to let something like that completely demotivate him?
I take on board the poor man management by O'Neill, but Warnock was saying he was in the form of his life, but then this review took all the wind out of his sails. Footballers tend to be alpha male types by all accounts, so why did this affect him to the point that he couldn't get excited about getting to a cup final? Was there nothing in him that would've made him say "I'll show that moron"?
The whole thing just seems odd to me.
I think it can work both ways, which is why man-management isn't "one size fits all". Clearly MON thought it would motivate him. It did not. At all. For another player, it might. The fact the other players were telling him to ignore it ahead of the meeting suggests it was a tactic many of the players didn't respond well to. It sounds very "Brian Clough".
I have some sympathy for Warnock over that incident, because I know if I'd been absolutely killing it at work, and my boss pulled me in for a mid-year review only to tell me that actually, I'd only done "ok" but that he expected more, and here are all the things I was doing wrong, I'd have been looking for a new job pretty sharpish. No one likes working where they feel unappreciated.
We often hear the phrase "lost the dressing room" when teams don't perform for a manager. I think in this case, he "lost the player".
Now, if Warnock had been playing garbage, then fair enough. Underperformers need to know their level is unacceptable. It's professional sport at the end of the day, and performances matter. But as others have said, his form in that first half the year was excellent.
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Weird seeing a footballer you're used to being slick and professional (and likeable) on MOTD/Sky etc. who has the platform of a podcast to have carte-blanche to shoot the shit, swear as much as he likes and be totally unguarded and honest about his career.
Horrendous to hear about how half-arsed and unprofessional O'Neill was. Absolute chancer as Rudy said.
Interesting to note as big as he thought Villa are, the reaction of fans at Leeds was even more impressive to him. I guess it'd be the same at Newcastle. Of all the sleeping giants, those two clubs seem to have the obsession that players are wow-ed by. Can't we get prospective signings to log onto H&V for a month to see how mental we are?
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Seems Pubehead developed his man-management style from the Clough playbook. Shame he had neither the same charisma or Peter Taylor by his side.
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Yeah whilst i don't have to have approval all of the time at work as i usually know myself if im doing well or not, to go into a review and basically feel like your being bullshitted to in the name of mind games wouldn't sit well with me either. A better approach would be to praise him (as he was doing well from memory) but add a little bit in the middle of the review about being a perfectionist and coming up with a couple of pointers to improve further and to say that all of the players will be having the same. I liked Warnock, but his form did drop off. I suppose this didn't help.
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Weird seeing a footballer you're used to being slick and professional (and likeable) on MOTD/Sky etc. who has the platform of a podcast to have carte-blanche to shoot the shit, swear as much as he likes and be totally unguarded and honest about his career.
Horrendous to hear about how half-arsed and unprofessional O'Neill was. Absolute chancer as Rudy said.
Interesting to note as big as he thought Villa are, the reaction of fans at Leeds was even more impressive to him. I guess it'd be the same at Newcastle. Of all the sleeping giants, those two clubs seem to have the obsession that players are wow-ed by. Can't we get prospective signings to log onto H&V for a month to see how mental we are?
I think it's the "single club city" thing. It unites a fan base in a way that I don't think is possible when the city has two, three, or more clubs fighting for the attention and affection of the fans. We all have colleagues, family, friends even, who support a different local club. You don't really find that in Leeds and Newcastle.
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It just sounds like MON was a proper c**t, Houllier was a chippy old sod, McLeish was nice but a bit odd and inadequate, Lambert was about as communicative as a potato, and Lerner had absolutely no control over anything.
That's what I made of it at well. MON's training schedule and lack of conditioning is pretty shocking. Giving the players off Sunday thru Wednesday, then train Thursday/Friday is crazy to ever consider. As for Houllier, if what Warnock is saying is true, what a prick.. same with Lambert.
So relieved to have Unai now.
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Weird seeing a footballer you're used to being slick and professional (and likeable) on MOTD/Sky etc. who has the platform of a podcast to have carte-blanche to shoot the shit, swear as much as he likes and be totally unguarded and honest about his career.
Horrendous to hear about how half-arsed and unprofessional O'Neill was. Absolute chancer as Rudy said.
Interesting to note as big as he thought Villa are, the reaction of fans at Leeds was even more impressive to him. I guess it'd be the same at Newcastle. Of all the sleeping giants, those two clubs seem to have the obsession that players are wow-ed by. Can't we get prospective signings to log onto H&V for a month to see how mental we are?
That would certainly make them want to sign.
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Seems Pubehead developed his man-management style from the Clough playbook. Shame he had neither the same charisma or Peter Taylor by his side.
You can understand why Milner, Young and Downing wanted out
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
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It's his old player thread from over a decade ago, bumped up because he gave the interview. It'll sink back into the peat marshes of H&V soon enough. I wouldn't worry about it, Footy.
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Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
It's on a 'Need to know' basis Donald.
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Footy, don't fret. As Monty says there will be a bit of discussion and then it will drift away in it's own time such is the democratic nature of how long a thread lasts on the first page or two.
If there was a hard and fast rule that all ex player threads move to other football or memories, then we have McParland, McGrath, and Cowans in that order on previous pages.
As regards MON, I was certainly a fan pretty well until he dropped us in the shit. After all, we were winning more than before and that's all I cared about. In the very first year of MONs reign I remember doing work at the house of Phil Robinson (started as a youth at Villa and played a couple of 1st team games before carving out a solid professional playing career in the lower divisions) who was manager of Stafford Rangers in the Conference at the time. As I enthused about our upturn in fortunes and how MON was taking us places, I was taken aback. He was rather disparaging and didn't rate his abilities at all. Essentially saying he was all show and no real substance and that it would not end well.
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By all accounts they are fully deserving but yes I must not get so bother about things here and there.
Something I look forward to improving next season
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By all accounts they are fully deserving but yes I must not get so bother about things here and there.
Something I look forward to improving next season
You really should give Villatalk a go, they positively frown on topics going off the subject over there, and profanity isn't allowed either. You'd love it.
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By all accounts they are fully deserving but yes I must not get so bother about things here and there.
Something I look forward to improving next season
You really should give Villatalk a go, they positively frown on topics going off the subject over there, and profanity isn't allowed either. You'd love it.
No profanity? Fuuuuck, that's shit.
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By all accounts they are fully deserving but yes I must not get so bother about things here and there.
Something I look forward to improving next season
You really should give Villatalk a go, they positively frown on topics going off the subject over there, and profanity isn't allowed either. You'd love it.
No profanity? Fuuuuck, that's shit.
Bollocks to that. What a bunch of ******.
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
The more I see comments with this sort of tone aimed at Footy-Vill the more I think he's actually an AI bot and not a real person, and that everyone else is in on it. I mean, some of the things that are aimed in his/her/its (sorry, don't know what your pronouns are) on the face of it are pretty out of order.
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
I agree with all of this, but Ashley Young was very complementary about us when interviewed about his career after the game.
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
I agree with all of this, but Ashley Young was very complementary about us when interviewed about his career after the game.
Oh yes, don't get me wrong, nothing against Ashley Young, he is one of the good guys.
Just pointing out to the Footy-Vil collective why we talk more about one than the other.
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
The more I see comments with this sort of tone aimed at Footy-Vill the more I think he's actually an AI bot and not a real person, and that everyone else is in on it. I mean, some of the things that are aimed in his/her/its (sorry, don't know what your pronouns are) on the face of it are pretty out of order.
It's so fucking endless, and it's clearly posted to create exactly the sort of reaction that, ultimately, he (they) end up getting. It's just so obvious.
Either:
1. It's a bot, a collective of people on a wind up, a trolling exercise, something like that, in which case, well, what are you supposed to do? How are you supposed to react to obvious trolling?
2. It isn't the above, it's a genuine poster, in which case, why not treat him (or they) exactly like you would any other poster? If - randomly selected poster - Bad English, someone who has put in the years here, a recognised regular, started posting what FV does, he'd get *exactly* the same response.
So, basically, either it's a wind up, in which case, it reaps what it sews, or it's genuinely a regular poster who believes this stuff, in which case, they can expect to be treated like any other rational poster who posted endless utter rubbish clearly designed to wind people up.
And it's far from just this thread. See, as an example, recent utter rubbish about Morgan Rogers.
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I frequently get the feeling that people who try to minimise my speech or mistreat me are doing so because they don't understand or don't want to hear opinions and ideas that differ from their own or what they want to discuss.
I ask to stop this and treat opinions equally. It's not fair. Furthermore, I believe that it's necessary to respect others' freedom of thought.
It's as like everything that doesn't align is considered nonsensical. Well, that is absurd. It feels like I'm being told to leave if I don't fall in like of thinking the same or I can't ask any questions or have ideas, theories and debates.
At the moment the semi FINAL is coming up tomorrow and there's all sorts to discuss there not least the influence of the Olympicao owner Evangelos Marinakis on the game.
Everyone will have a theory too about the official appointed and can you seriously expect everyone to simply agree and say the same thing?
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
The more I see comments with this sort of tone aimed at Footy-Vill the more I think he's actually an AI bot and not a real person, and that everyone else is in on it. I mean, some of the things that are aimed in his/her/its (sorry, don't know what your pronouns are) on the face of it are pretty out of order.
It's so fucking endless, and it's clearly posted to create exactly the sort of reaction that, ultimately, he (they) end up getting. It's just so obvious.
Not to me, it isn't. But I suppose we all have our views.
Maybe they're autistic, if not an AI bot.
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I will never understand why people don't just scroll past his posts if they don't like them.
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
The more I see comments with this sort of tone aimed at Footy-Vill the more I think he's actually an AI bot and not a real person, and that everyone else is in on it. I mean, some of the things that are aimed in his/her/its (sorry, don't know what your pronouns are) on the face of it are pretty out of order.
It's so fucking endless, and it's clearly posted to create exactly the sort of reaction that, ultimately, he (they) end up getting. It's just so obvious.
Ok what do you suggest I do ? Because I think your theory is nonsense and same as others as I'm just an individual for heavens sake who likes to encourage discussion.
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Why does Warnock have a thread on the main topic service board but players like Ashley Young, Jack Grealish, and Gabby Agbonlahor don't, despite their greater playing accomplishments at our club , is a mystery to me. Even if Warnock has expressed these dressing room secrets and it's of interest of O'Neil's reign and he is a great pundit who supportive of Villa, it is still wrong that his name is at the top of the main service board when it comes to the rules that seem banishing of former players. What are those rules, by the way? Why are some ex Prem players still allowed on main service board? Yet we can't talk about other ones?
Because Warnock is a high profile commentator on the game, who gets a lot of TV time, and generally expresses well considered, thoughtful opinion.
Gabby is a notorious gobshite and performing moron who does clicks for TalkSport
Jack Grealish is currently playing for someone else. As is Ashley Young.
Serious question - do you think about this obvious nonsense before you (the plural you) post it, or do you just anally expel it, like a strong stream of utter shit that you just can't keep in?
The more I see comments with this sort of tone aimed at Footy-Vill the more I think he's actually an AI bot and not a real person, and that everyone else is in on it. I mean, some of the things that are aimed in his/her/its (sorry, don't know what your pronouns are) on the face of it are pretty out of order.
It's so fucking endless, and it's clearly posted to create exactly the sort of reaction that, ultimately, he (they) end up getting. It's just so obvious.
Not to me, it isn't. But I suppose we all have our views.
Maybe they're autistic, if not an AI bot.
That's a pretty big shout there, with quite a lot of possible range between the two poles - either, you've got a problem or you're actually software.
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I frequently get the feeling that people who try to minimise my speech or mistreat me are doing so because they don't understand or don't want to hear opinions and ideas that differ from their own or what they want to discuss.
I ask to stop this and treat opinions equally. It's not fair. Furthermore, I believe that it's necessary to respect others' freedom of thought.
It's as like everything that doesn't align is considered nonsensical. Well, that is absurd. It feels like I'm being told to leave if I don't fall in like of thinking the same or I can't ask any questions or have ideas, theories and debates.
At the moment the semi FINAL is coming up tomorrow and there's all sorts to discuss there not least the influence of the Olympicao owner Evangelos Marinakis on the game.
Everyone will have a theory too about the official appointed and can you seriously expect everyone to simply agree and say the same thing?
Keep being yourself, Footy-Vill. Don't worry about the hostile curmudgeons in here. We all get to have a say.
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Not to me, it isn't. But I suppose we all have our views.
Maybe they're autistic, if not an AI bot.
That's a pretty big shout there, with quite a lot of possible range between the two poles - either, you've got a problem or you're actually software.
I'm off to download an update. Tweek a few naughts and ones.
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What rubbish ?
I said about a nickname for Morgan Rogers then people started being vulgar designed to wind me up !
I really don't get the conspiracy against me
It's preposterous!
Just because I have ideas and theories different to yours you could be respectful.
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I frequently get the feeling that people who try to minimise my speech or mistreat me are doing so because they don't understand or don't want to hear opinions and ideas that differ from their own or what they want to discuss.
I ask to stop this and treat opinions equally. It's not fair. Furthermore, I believe that it's necessary to respect others' freedom of thought.
It's as like everything that doesn't align is considered nonsensical. Well, that is absurd. It feels like I'm being told to leave if I don't fall in like of thinking the same or I can't ask any questions or have ideas, theories and debates.
At the moment the semi FINAL is coming up tomorrow and there's all sorts to discuss there not least the influence of the Olympicao owner Evangelos Marinakis on the game.
Everyone will have a theory too about the official appointed and can you seriously expect everyone to simply agree and say the same thing?
Keep being yourself, Footy-Vill. Don't worry about the hostile curmudgeons in here. We all get to have a say.
Yes, absolutely, he should carry on and post what he likes.
And expect people to react to it.
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Keep going, Footy.
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Yes, absolutely, he should carry on and post what he likes.
Don't you post what you like?
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Yes, absolutely, he should carry on and post what he likes.
Don't you post what you like?
Yes, I do. And so should he.
And when i post rubbish, I expect people to tell me I'm posting rubbish.
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Yes, absolutely, he should carry on and post what he likes.
Don't you post what you like?
Yes, I do. And so should he.
And when i post rubbish, I expect people to tell me I'm posting rubbish.
Well they said Gabby and Grealish had greater accomplishments than Warnock at Villa. While Gabby blotted his copybook in the end and everyone/many have got the arsehole with Grealish, I'd say Warnock's achievements were the lesser of the three, although this is all subjective.
Yet your response was to describe it as anally expelled obvious nonsense.
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Anyway, I need to go and get some sleep.
Play nicely.
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By all accounts they are fully deserving but yes I must not get so bother about things here and there.
Something I look forward to improving next season
You really should give Villatalk a go, they positively frown on topics going off the subject over there, and profanity isn't allowed either. You'd love it.
Though I'm not sure what Villatalk entails I'd prefer to stay here. However, if the main service user board is less explicit and more tolerant, then I could give it a look. I don't know though as I wouldn't be standing up for myself if I left just because I were made to feel uncomfortable. I would prefer to take a break, since I'm already on summer vacation once the season ends. People are nice here generally and even though the language can be a little colourful at times, I still enjoy reading and trying to understand different takes on football . It's good to expand views because I get the idea that most people have extremely diverse attitudes to mine. I appreciate your recommendation if you're being genuine as it's confusing now because sometimes you say not so nice things but I probably a bit exhausting and I never mean to annoy people in any way.
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Yes, absolutely, he should carry on and post what he likes.
Don't you post what you like?
Yes, I do. And so should he.
And when i post rubbish, I expect people to tell me I'm posting rubbish.
Well they said Gabby and Grealish had greater accomplishments than Warnock at Villa. While Gabby blotted his copybook in the end and everyone/many have got the arsehole with Grealish, I'd say Warnock's achievements were the lesser of the three, although this is all subjective.
Yet your response was to describe it as anally expelled obvious nonsense.
Yes, well read, but the post wasn't about that, it was about why one is discussed more than the others.
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Though I'm not sure what Villatalk entails I'd prefer to stay here.
Sense at last. Unless you like red ink.
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H&V is the Aston Villa of Villa forums.
VillaTalk is the Birmingham City of Villa forums, only wrong 'uns have ever posted there.
So stay here FV. We love you.
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Though I'm not sure what Villatalk entails I'd prefer to stay here.
Sense at last. Unless you like red ink.
True dat.
Haven't been there foe many a long year, but "posting for effect" was ubiquitous.
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It's so fucking endless, and it's clearly posted to create exactly the sort of reaction that, ultimately, he (they) end up getting. It's just so obvious.
Either:
1. It's a bot, a collective of people on a wind up, a trolling exercise, something like that, in which case, well, what are you supposed to do? How are you supposed to react to obvious trolling?
2. It isn't the above, it's a genuine poster, in which case, why not treat him (or they) exactly like you would any other poster? If - randomly selected poster - Bad English, someone who has put in the years here, a recognised regular, started posting what FV does, he'd get *exactly* the same response.
So, basically, either it's a wind up, in which case, it reaps what it sews, or it's genuinely a regular poster who believes this stuff, in which case, they can expect to be treated like any other rational poster who posted endless utter rubbish clearly designed to wind people up.
And it's far from just this thread. See, as an example, recent utter rubbish about Morgan Rogers.
I think there is probably another explanation, though I'm not sure how appropriate it is to mention; but I have encountered posters with similar styles before, and there's usually a reason for it.
FWIW , I don't think he's a deliberate troll, he's just a different personality type to most of the other people who post on here.
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Yes I donated in good faith as contribution to site!
And if it's ok can we not speculate things on my private situation.
Anyway I can't be alone in getting confused seeing Stephen Warnock at the top of the main user board and that was why I asked my question.
Can we go on topic again because its my worst thing reading non topic when the aim of any thread is to get to discuss subject.
Up The Villa!!
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What’s your name Footy? I’m Carl.
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Don't tell him Pike!
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Yes I donated in good faith as contribution to site!
And if it's ok can we not speculate things on my private situation.
Anyway I can't be alone in getting confused seeing Stephen Warnock at the top of the main user board and that was why I asked my question.
Can we go on topic again because its my worst thing reading non topic when the aim of any thread is to get to discuss subject.
Up The Villa!!
Lots of people have been donating to the site every year for many, many years. It doesn't confer any special rights though.
It is quite right not to speak about your private situation if you do not wish to.
If you get confused you are right to ask a question.
You can ask people to go on topic BUT one of the great thing about this place is the discussions that are had when people wander off-topic. People don't like being told what to post and when you try to make people speak robotically about the subject in question it can create irritation. I mean how much can one say about Warnock here? And then everything seems to revolve and you and your needs, rather than everybody else's.
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When most of us starting watching Villa, we were doing so from crumbling terraces ankle deep in piss, wondering how we were going to get home without a detour to A&E.
I note that we are now accusing folk of being robots and apologising for not knowing each others pronouns. If that’s not progress I don’t know what is.
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I said about a nickname for Morgan Rogers then people started being vulgar designed to wind me up !
Try not to take the smut personally. We don't do it to wind you up, we do it to amuse each other!
And it happens to anyone who posts something we can see a rude meaning in.
It's childish, but it makes some of us smile, and has been part of British humour for longer than any of us have been alive!
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When most of us starting watching Villa, we were doing so from crumbling terraces ankle deep in piss, wondering how we were going to get home without a detour to A&E.
I note that we are now accusing folk of being robots and apologising for not knowing each others pronouns. If that’s not progress I don’t know what is.
Excellent point.
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It's childish, but it makes some of us smile, and has been part of British humour for longer than any of us have been alive!
There is a reason Tom Sharpe had a massive career, the Carry On Movies was a long running series and certain postcards kept the seaside economy going for years. The germans had full on hardcore anal, we had Robin Askwith and his long ladder.
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It's childish, but it makes some of us smile, and has been part of British humour for longer than any of us have been alive!
There is a reason Tom Sharpe had a massive career, the Carry On Movies was a long running series and certain postcards kept the seaside economy going for years. The germans had full on hardcore anal, we had Robin Askwith and his long ladder.
I've always thought the Germans had a lot to offer the world, personally.
Footy, have you ever watched a Carry On film?
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It's so fucking endless, and it's clearly posted to create exactly the sort of reaction that, ultimately, he (they) end up getting. It's just so obvious.
Either:
1. It's a bot, a collective of people on a wind up, a trolling exercise, something like that, in which case, well, what are you supposed to do? How are you supposed to react to obvious trolling?
2. It isn't the above, it's a genuine poster, in which case, why not treat him (or they) exactly like you would any other poster? If - randomly selected poster - Bad English, someone who has put in the years here, a recognised regular, started posting what FV does, he'd get *exactly* the same response.
So, basically, either it's a wind up, in which case, it reaps what it sews, or it's genuinely a regular poster who believes this stuff, in which case, they can expect to be treated like any other rational poster who posted endless utter rubbish clearly designed to wind people up.
And it's far from just this thread. See, as an example, recent utter rubbish about Morgan Rogers.
I think there is probably another explanation, though I'm not sure how appropriate it is to mention; but I have encountered posters with similar styles before, and there's usually a reason for it.
FWIW , I don't think he's a deliberate troll, he's just a different personality type to most of the other people who post on here.
I have an autistic boy. He’s a lovely boy but can offend people because he can’t read a room and he expresses himself very directly. This guy appears to me to communicate in the same way with the added hindrance of English not being his first language. Now on the whole, I don’t disagree with people who make controversial statements having them robustly challenged and on a football fan forum, that is sadly likely to be personal and offensive. We only come on here because we’re tribal by nature. However, as Robin Williams said of depression, ‘people don’t fake being depressed, they fake being well. Be kind.’ Obviously it’s a different thing (I know I suffer from it) but I just think before heaping dog’s abuse on this guy consider that there is at least enough likelihood that he’s is a vulnerable neurodiverse individual as a troll/bot/collective of trolls to not risk causing him some real mental harm. As many have said, just ignore him if you don’t like him and definitely just ignore him if you think he’s a bot. And honestly, which theory - neurodiverse man or bloody AI bot is more likely.
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In general, I'd rather look like a fool trying to be sympathetic than an arsehole trying to be cynical and ungullible .
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In general, I'd rather look like a fool trying to be sympathetic than an arsehole trying to be cynical and ungullible .
I'm a bit of both I reckon, a foolish arsehole.
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Yeah, I've found people's inability to just humour FV and either ignore or not pick him/her/them up on the more unorthodox opinions they state; difficult to understand.
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Sometimes I think I'm easy target. I been told I don't help myself? For why ? Being myself and my beliefs. I like me not to be seen as anything more that I am just an individual with same equal as next member poster and it's up to me and me alone to disclose other things.
I've had advantage taken of me both online and in person so I'm weary to give details quite so much thank you. And yes I appreciate Mike words and support and understanding and some others but people don't have to have first hand experience to show to be decent and fair it's down to how they choose to be towards me which at times is not nice.
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On topic
Warnock or the podcast that Warnock related to the O'Neil regime.
At the time, O'Neil was simply coaching using techniques that he had used when playing or those he believed would be most liked and suitable for the players.
In the grand scheme of things, finishing sixth and nearly making the champions league three times was an accomplishment compared to a few years prior! and most definitely afterwards.
Additionally, I think it's really sensationalist that Warnock can remember every detail—and that's just his opinion—after O'Neil said anything. I record it in a manner akin to a Doctors or teacher applying their techniques, without listening or understanding the student or patient I have had both of those experiences!
So if insist it was/is personal woes with both, but I felt as though i could relate to Milner and his outburst to question !
Warnock gives some great insight and it is supported by other players but I think tactics and fitness was regarded differently by generations and culture.
It's often said by Keown that Wenger implemented new methods in English football.
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While that's fair FV, the frustration with MON was that his way of doing things was dying out at the top level during his time with us. Wenger and Mourinho had considerably pushed things with tactics and fitness, Ferguson had already employed Queiroz for years to help keep his team up to date, Man City employed Mancini in 2009, there were people like Rafa Benitez whose standards were so much more modern than we'd been used to...basically all sorts.
MON's time with us coincided pretty perfectly with a great leap forward in professionalism and preparation in the English game. His methods, combined with rather a lot of money, were enough to do decently, but were being exposed year after year. It was a real chance to cement ourselves at the top of the league, and he blew it.
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Sometimes I think I'm easy target. I been told I don't help myself? For why ? Being myself and my beliefs. I like me not to be seen as anything more that I am just an individual with same equal as next member poster and it's up to me and me alone to disclose other things.
I've had advantage taken of me both online and in person so I'm weary to give details quite so much thank you. And yes I appreciate Mike words and support and understanding and some others but people don't have to have first hand experience to show to be decent and fair it's down to how they choose to be towards me which at times is not nice.
Apologies FV, I know you're trying to move passed this, but I just wanted to say I agree that you may be perceived as an easy target, and this doesn't reflect well on those who harass you. I'm going to be generous and say it's bordering on bullying, but we're beyond that in all honesty. I hope you find strength and comfort in the fact that you have persevered where others wouldn't, and I also hope others will come to see that you are a harmless individual who's just trying to communicate, albeit occasionally a little clumsily, with fellow Villa supporters. Keep going. You have my respect.
Anyway, Stephen Warnock.
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Warnock had a strange career, really. One of those overpromoted Liverpool talents who seemed destined for the lower leagues, but managed to make a World Cup squad.
I identified quite strongly with the whole loss of form after direct criticism thing, something which has stalled my own creative outlet. It does go to show man management isn't as simple as kicking a person until they show resilience, even for footballers who have been in the game since they were knee-high to a grasshopper.
Other than the Blackburn semi final, my main recollection of a Warnock contribution was the away game at Molineux in the Houllier season - he crossed the ball to Heskey for a late winner. Must have been not long after that that Houllier froze him out.
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I don't think the video does anybody (James Milner aside) any credit. Warnock comes over as being a bit brittle and MON negligent (the late season dips are now completely explained!). Sigh.
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Ex-Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill closing in on shock return to management aged 72.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/martin-oneill-villa-rapid-bucharest-32765494
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Sometimes I think I'm easy target. I been told I don't help myself? For why ? Being myself and my beliefs. I like me not to be seen as anything more that I am just an individual with same equal as next member poster and it's up to me and me alone to disclose other things.
I've had advantage taken of me both online and in person so I'm weary to give details quite so much thank you. And yes I appreciate Mike words and support and understanding and some others but people don't have to have first hand experience to show to be decent and fair it's down to how they choose to be towards me which at times is not nice.
Apologies FV, I know you're trying to move passed this, but I just wanted to say I agree that you may be perceived as an easy target, and this doesn't reflect well on those who harass you. I'm going to be generous and say it's bordering on bullying, but we're beyond that in all honesty. I hope you find strength and comfort in the fact that you have persevered where others wouldn't, and I also hope others will come to see that you are a harmless individual who's just trying to communicate, albeit occasionally a little clumsily, with fellow Villa supporters. Keep going. You have my respect.
Anyway, Stephen Warnock.
It is very easy to bandy words like 'harassment' and 'bullying' around.
It is normal that Footy gets a reaction to their posts. As others have said, if another poster scatter-gunned the threads, posted endless titbits from Google, tried to tell us when and how to post, banged on about religious matters, showed enormous insight when analysing football, language, morals, you name it but gets upset and plays the poor me card when people pull them up about it then I think people would understand. Then, on the other hand, Footy posts plenty of stuff that has people chatting about football and the Villa so it's not as if they are chased off with pitchforks every time they post.
Now, allowances can be made, just as we make allowances for the idiosyncrasies of many posters on here but there is nothing wrong with pulling hem up when they go too far.
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Ex-Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill closing in on shock return to management aged 72.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/martin-oneill-villa-rapid-bucharest-32765494
Good news for the Romanian lads in the squad.
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Agree with that.
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Ex-Aston Villa boss Martin O'Neill closing in on shock return to management aged 72.
https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/martin-oneill-villa-rapid-bucharest-32765494
The interview:
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MARTIN O'NAYL writes.
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I don't think the video does anybody (James Milner aside) any credit. Warnock comes over as being a bit brittle and MON negligent (the late season dips are now completely explained!). Sigh.
My abiding memory of Warnock at Villa, aside from getting roasted by Valencia in the cup final, was the amount of time he used spend on the ground getting treatment. Very average player. Very good pundit. MON will be seething with his comments. Nothing stopping Warnock joining Milner in the gym after training it has to be said. Gabby got away with that partying when he was younger but it caught up with him.
MON wasn't able to move with the times and hence he got left behind. Ferguson changed his backroom staff regularly, we got stuck with likes of Steve Walford and John Robertson! MON was so lazy for Ireland he brought in Roy Keane to primarily do the press conferences for him and Walford still there doing f*ck all.
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Sometimes I think I'm easy target. I been told I don't help myself? For why ? Being myself and my beliefs. I like me not to be seen as anything more that I am just an individual with same equal as next member poster and it's up to me and me alone to disclose other things.
I've had advantage taken of me both online and in person so I'm weary to give details quite so much thank you. And yes I appreciate Mike words and support and understanding and some others but people don't have to have first hand experience to show to be decent and fair it's down to how they choose to be towards me which at times is not nice.
Apologies FV, I know you're trying to move passed this, but I just wanted to say I agree that you may be perceived as an easy target, and this doesn't reflect well on those who harass you. I'm going to be generous and say it's bordering on bullying, but we're beyond that in all honesty. I hope you find strength and comfort in the fact that you have persevered where others wouldn't, and I also hope others will come to see that you are a harmless individual who's just trying to communicate, albeit occasionally a little clumsily, with fellow Villa supporters. Keep going. You have my respect.
Anyway, Stephen Warnock.
It is very easy to bandy words like 'harassment' and 'bullying' around.
It is normal that Footy gets a reaction to their posts. As others have said, if another poster scatter-gunned the threads, posted endless titbits from Google, tried to tell us when and how to post, banged on about religious matters, showed enormous insight when analysing football, language, morals, you name it but gets upset and plays the poor me card when people pull them up about it then I think people would understand. Then, on the other hand, Footy posts plenty of stuff that has people chatting about football and the Villa so it's not as if they are chased off with pitchforks every time they post.
Now, allowances can be made, just as we make allowances for the idiosyncrasies of many posters on here but there is nothing wrong with pulling hem up when they go too far.
Honestly, I think he is autistic and does not understand how abrasive his communication is. He reminds me of my boy very much and my lad is a thoroughly nice kid who wouldn’t willingly upset anyone. I just think it is not asking much to just not read his posts if you find them annoying because if he is autistic he will not understand what he is doing wrong however clearly it is explained and he will likely become very depressed. Autism is co-existent with other mental health problems and autistic people are statistically much more likely to harm themselves than neurotypical people. Honestly, if the only reaction open is abuse, then I would really ask people to ignore him.
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Young Milner and Barry all had long careers at the top echelons perhaps it was something to do with all the rest days they had when they were younger?