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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: Matt C on May 27, 2011, 02:45:28 PM
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Includes Reo-Coker, Carew & Robert Pires.
http://www.avfc.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10265~2368005,00.html
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NRC's departure seems a little precipitous to me but there you go ... I realise he was out of contract so I suppose it's just following the normal chain of events.
Slightly surprised about Arsenio Halfhuid; I thought he was highly regarded.
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A shame about NRC, but i'm guessing that his financial demands were excessive.
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NRC's departure seems a little precipitous to me but there you go ... I realise he was out of contract so I suppose it's just following the normal chain of events.
Slightly surprised about Arsenio Halfhuid; I thought he was highly regarded.
Wasn't he the nephew of the Ken Monkou ? He was highly rated,just like Forrester,its a shame,but McAndrew and Sid are no mugs when it comes to young players.
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Disappointed to see Coker go - and for no return.
Randy needs to get some positive news coming out of B6 pretty quick else season tickets will not be shifted - mine included.
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A shame about NRC, but i'm guessing that his financial demands were excessive.
His gobshite of an agent will, no doubt, reveal all.
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A shame about NRC, but i'm guessing that his financial demands were excessive.
Maybe, but probably not as much as buying a replacement with a 4 year contract.
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We can't afford to keep losing decent midfield players. Every year a key part of the central midfield leaves. I was hoping NRC would be offered
an acceptable contract, we could do with him next season.
Where is he off to, Tottenham?
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If GH is staying I reckon there will be arrivals pretty soon,as he was supposed to have a couple of foreign signings already tied up.
Pitty Ireland didnt make it 11 names!!
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Will the last person to leave Bodymoor please turn out the lights!
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I'm dissapointed about NRC to be honest. Oh well.
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Where is salifou going? Real? Barca?
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Surprised at Deeney & Berry, I thought they were amongst the better of the youth team players on the rare occasions I have watched them.
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Does this mean that Friedal will be offered a new deal? And was there any mention of Bradley going back to Germany?
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Edit: Ignore. Misread post.
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It's early days, but the triple whammy of losing NRC, Ashley and having to have Houllier back, doesn't give me much cause for optimism for next season.
The thought of Lee Camp or Robert Green as our keeper has me shivering like a shitting dog as well.
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And was there any mention of Bradley going back to Germany?
Hopefully, he's a Happy Shopper NRC.
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Doing this a bit arse about face aren't we ? Should we annouce GH is staying first or are we to assume by these annoucements he is ? If we're still in limbo, who is making the decisions ? I accept the senior guys could have made their own decisions, but who decided on the kids.
Mind you add Brad x2,Young, Downing,Warnock and Beye to that list and we can expect a few big big signings then.
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VERY disappointed to see NRC leave - he has invariably given his all to the cause even
when played out of position and wish him well for the future-
Carew - big time charlie - could be good but was often poor and preferred to wave to
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Salifou - promised but didn't deliver - saw him outplay Huddlestone of Spurs in reserve match
at Bescot and thought he could be the business - good luck to him
Pires - nothing worthy of comment
Osborne - wasn't the lad motm at Anfield ...... whatever happened to him after that ?
Arsenio Halfhuid - a centre back plenty of potential so we play him as a centre forward !!!
Forrester - will make a name for himself but unfortunately not in the Prem or Championship
Berry & Deeney - the fullbacks pity one of them hasn't made it through the ranks and apologies
to Flannagan ........can't place you
Where's Warnock ? someone at VP must think he is worth a transfer fee !!!!
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It's early days, but the triple whammy of losing NRC, Ashley and having to have Houllier back, doesn't give me much cause for optimism for next season.
The thought of Lee Camp or Robert Green as our keeper has me shivering like a shitting dog as well.
Irrespective of the current events at VP the last bit of this made me chuckle, im going to borrow that one..
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NRC!?
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Can someone put me right because I am a bit puzzled on this.
The decisions regarding players leaving the club lie with the manager (taking into account contracts and other external influences aside from ability) so I assume that GH or his staff compiled this list so are we to assume that there will be no change in the management structure?
If there is then why are they allowed to have such responsibility? Surely until the management situation is clarified then any comings or goings should be put on hold?
I'm always nervous when anybody other than the manager make decisions such as this and the club must have learned this harsh lesson given a certain arrival last summer.
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Where is salifou going? Real? Barca?
If he's got the same agent as NRC I'm sure they've been on the phone.
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I'm honestly not bothered one bit about NRC, was never a fan. I’ve not seen anything he’s done in his time in a Villa shirt to warrant the transfer fee, and wages he commanded. A grafter yes, a footballer never.
He aint going to win you a game of trump cards for sure.
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I can’t believe no one has considered the impact this is going to have on the singing from the Holte end. Salifou / NRC / Carew / Young (probably). Thank God Cuellar got injured. If Gabby goes the Holte ends portfolio of tunes diminishes to an all time low!
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Surely we need to know who's manager before we have a lost of players released ?
Roe-Coker was one of our best players last season, surely we could have done more to keep him ?
Harry forrester also, signed for over a million from Watford wasn't he, he hasn't pushed on as we all hoped after starring for England at Youth level ???
I am sick of all the doom and gloom this season, I'm off on my holidays and hope by the time I come back there is a semblence of organisation and direction at Villa Park :-\
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It doesn't really need the amanger to make these decisions. That's a list of 10 players who either haven't been offered or haven't accepted a new contract. We can't keep them at the club and see if a new manager offers them a contract so it's not that someone other than the manager IS making decisions about who to get rid of but rather that there ISN'T anyone negotiating deals with out of contract players. For the youngsters the decision would have come from the reserves and youth setup anyway, for the seniors the only suprise is NRC.
I can't see anything to worry about with this.
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Well i'm not sorry to see NRC or Carew go tbh.NRC gave everything, but was limited, Carew is finished.
If , as reported, NRC wanted £50k a week more than we were prepared to pay him, then thats £2.5m a year we have saved in wages per year on NRC alone.
See ya.
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Can someone put me right because I am a bit puzzled on this.
The decisions regarding players leaving the club lie with the manager
It doesn't really need the amanger to make these decisions. That's a list of 10 players who either haven't been offered or haven't accepted a new contract. We can't keep them at the club and see if a new manager offers them a contract so it's not that someone other than the manager IS making decisions about who to get rid of but rather that there ISN'T anyone negotiating deals with out of contract players. For the youngsters the decision would have come from the reserves and youth setup anyway, for the seniors the only suprise is NRC.
I can't see anything to worry about with this.
Agree. If they are out of contract, they are released by default. If they had stayed on, no doubt the doom-mongers would have been saying who's re-signing these players before we have a manager in place.
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with reo being relised his postion can be filled by hogg, who was on loan at portsmouth
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Good, at last getting rid of some dead wood,
For all you guys that lament the exit of NRC let's see the quality of clubs that come in for him,
Someone said spurs, are you having a laugh, my gues is Wolves, certainly no better
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I'm surprised that Reo-Coker has walked out when we don't even know who the manager is. Of the side that made the 2010 Youth Cup Final, I thought Ellis Deeney was the most promising. Surprised he's off... hope he doesn't come back to haunt us.
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Apparently he didn't like living in Bham, I hope he fares better with the bright lights of Wolverhampton.
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Good, at last getting rid of some dead wood,
For all you guys that lament the exit of NRC let's see the quality of clubs that come in for him,
Someone said spurs, are you having a laugh, my gues is Wolves, certainly no better
QPR?
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Reo Coker is rumoured to be on his way to QPR. Genuinely liked him, and hope he goes on to have a good career. I would guess living in Brum meant he put a premium on his wage demand, so that may be less if he were to get back to London.
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At least now the wage bill has dropped we can replace them with better I wanted NRC to stay but GH knows what he his doing.
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It doesn't really need the amanger to make these decisions. That's a list of 10 players who either haven't been offered or haven't accepted a new contract. We can't keep them at the club and see if a new manager offers them a contract so it's not that someone other than the manager IS making decisions about who to get rid of but rather that there ISN'T anyone negotiating deals with out of contract players. For the youngsters the decision would have come from the reserves and youth setup anyway, for the seniors the only suprise is NRC.
I can't see anything to worry about with this.
I can see us forking out for combative but limited midfielder to compliment the squad less than 12 months after we've let one walk. Maybe I'm just cynical.
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Not too disappointed, we need massive changes at the club anyway. I didn't think I'd see the day Salifou left, though.
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Shame about Reo going, but kind of inevitable. We do need some positivity about the place.
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shame about okey cokey.. i thought he wasnt treated too well while here, although his contract demands on the back of a couple weeks decent form were a bit farcical...
hey ho...
shame about carew too, but you could see he wasnt interested in the alst 6 months or so... he did give us some great service and memories though...
not bothered about the rest... good to get some off the wage bill...
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All these comments regarding " how can we make decisions when we don't know who the manager is?"
Yes we do, Gerard Houllier until we hear otherwise.
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QPR or Fulham (or Reading if they're promoted) is my guess for NRC
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Got a feeling he'll end up at Sunderland for some reason.
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NRC has a house down south or stated he did when recently in court for speeding so I guess somewhere down south, he stated a Champion league team were after him so off to Arsenal to replace cesc?
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Oh well, that sorts out the 'will he, won't he?' NRC debate pretty swiftly.
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I'm surprised that Reo-Coker has walked out when we don't even know who the manager is. Of the side that made the 2010 Youth Cup Final, I thought Ellis Deeney was the most promising. Surprised he's off... hope he doesn't come back to haunt us.
The manager is mr gerard houllier,and i believe thats how it will be staying.
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Sleep lost = 0.0 hrs.
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Not shocked or disapointed with any of the players leaving, all can be replaced by better players.
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i think hogg will fill that position quiet well
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NRC is no great loss to be honest. He would have wanted a load of cash to stay and really isn't worth the outlay. He done a job for us towards the end of the season but doesn't fit into the mould of the GH type of player (ie he can't pass for toffee).
I cannot see many of the teams above us falling over themselves to sign him. My money's on him going abroad.
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Check out the headline in The Daily Heil.
Stupid fucking rag.
Can the last man out turn off the lights...
Reo-Coker heads 10-man Villa exodus
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NRC was the only one of that lot who played a lot last season, to be followed by both Brads, Warnock, Beye, Ashley and hopefully Ireland, big changes but we needed them. Oh and Walker has gone back to spurs, Bradley mmmmmmmm not sure
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NRC was the only one of that lot who played a lot last season, to be followed by both Brads, Warnock, Beye, Ashley and hopefully Ireland, big changes but we needed them. Oh and Walker has gone back to spurs, Bradley mmmmmmmm not sure
that would make 17 out even if dunne and collins stay, so there will be plenty of wages saved and if downing and ash both go we would be looking at 30m plus from their sales alone so id expect to see a lot of players arriving .
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NRC and Carew, thanks for some good service and memories. The rest, meh.
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Great news, at last someones getting rid of the deadwood,
for all you guys that lament the leaving of NRC lets see what top quality clubs come rushing in for him, my guess is none
someone said Spurs, ha , are you having a laugh,
my best guess would be Wolves, certainly no one better than them
theres probably a few more hopefully to add to the list of thanks but no thanks
then we can start bringing in some better quality players
if Houllier is staying then this is a good start to the off season
EDIT - i know i know, i'm repeating myself here, its my new i phone i'm not very good with it yet
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Think we can add Heskey to the list too, hopefully with Weiman recovering from his injury,Fonz needs to push on we need more goals though in case Bent gets injured/goes through a bad patch also impressed with Petrovs fitness under this regime, he can last 90 minutes now i bet my Mrs wished I could, well in fact I wished i could lol
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How long has Beye got left on his contract? Hopefully we can get shot of him,can't see there being a long line waiting to sign him though.
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Liked Nige but we won't miss him, he's easily replaceable.
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as michael bradley's name has not mentioned in this group of ten, does that mean we will take up the option on purchasing player
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NRC was ok, nothing special. Good to see some squad place freed up.
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How much are that little lot worth in wages?
£200k per week!
NRC is the only one I would have kept too... what a waste of money.
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as michael bradley's name has not mentioned in this group of ten, does that mean we will take up the option on purchasing player
Well he can't be released as he isnt ours, only seen a few minutes of him, if we sign him he will need a good pre-season to get up to speed of the EPL though. So not sure on him.
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Gutted about NRC going.
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made my day not having to see NRC try and control a ball next season
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John E - I think you're right that this is a good sign that the deadwood is being pruned. It will test our nerves and will challenge GMac's assertion that we've got some incoming players lined up and ready to join us.
I suspect they will not be dealing with those in-contract players who probably should be offloaded until the management role has been formally clarified.
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I always liked Reo-Coker, so I think it's a shame he's gone. He'll make a very good free signing for someone - I think he'd fit in well at Everton, actually. Still, I suppose he's not exactly irreplaceable.
The rest? I'm really not bothered. I wonder how much in wages that will free up?
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Shame NRC isn't staying, but never mind. At least Carew, Salifou and Ozzy are off the payroll at last.
(http://www.drfunkenberry.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/fireworks.jpg)
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How long has Beye got left on his contract? Hopefully we can get shot of him,can't see there being a long line waiting to sign him though.
Zippo's Circus are recruiting, they're our only hope.
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Like others, gutted about NRC and wish him well when he rolls up at Newcastle/Wigan/clubs of that ilk.
On his best day he'd never be worth more than 35k though.
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I'm guessing NRC wanted daft wages to re-sign which is why he is off - Houllier must have been keen on keeping him at the club as he has played most matches towards the end of the season and has done a decent job when we desperately needed it.
No big surprises with the others released - especially Salifou and Osbourne - long overdue.
Watched Forrester for the youth team against Chelsea a couple of years back and he looked a great prospect. Dissapointed he hasn't made it - will definitely do a job for someone.
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Great news, at last someones getting rid of the deadwood,
Waters, R.
Waiting to cut out the deadwood.
Waiting to clean up the city.
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How long has Beye got left on his contract? Hopefully we can get shot of him,can't see there being a long line waiting to sign him though.
Zippo's Circus are recruiting, they're our only hope.
It's a cracker!
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Has Michael Bradley gone back after his loan period ?
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I still reckon we'll sign Bradley if Houllier stays on as manager, and I still reckon he'll be a useful player for us.
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Not sure why we'd sign Bradley. Maybe if he'd of played more I'd expect it. He's a good player, mind. So I wouldn't be against it.
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Thanks to NRC and Big John Carew, best of luck in the future unless you are playing the Villa
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Very disappointed that Coker is leaving.
Why get rid of one of our best player's this season? Madness. We can't keep getting rid of good midfielders.
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Gutted coker has gone. Surely his wages are the equivalent of a transfer fee. All the best nige
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I wonder what the odds of us re-signing nrc are? Could be a bit of brinkmanship as not sure he'll get a better offer elsewhere
Assume this means boateng or another midfielder will arrive
The prospects of losing friedel, walker, NRC, young plus potentially downing have me pretty damn nervous.
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This news pretty much confirms we have offered big Brad another yr. He may not take it of course.
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As said, NRC is the only one I think we might come to regret, but if he was after stupid money in wages then I can see the sense of the decision.
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Anyone know how much this has slashed off the wage bill?
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I would guess at about £120,000.00 pw
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Not enough just yet with Mr T I Bear still rolling about the place.
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Plenty more deadwood to be shifted....if anyone is stupid enough to buy them.
Has MON got a job yet ?
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has davies gone yet?? his contract can't have another year to run surely?
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Maybe this means we'll be signing that young French lad from Le Havre?
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has davies gone yet?? his contract can't have another year to run surely?
I thought he retired from football in January .
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Surely if anything would have swayed the tribun Villa's way, it would have been MON giving Salifou a 3 year extension on his original 1 year deal.
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fuck me i totally missed that. He joined blose? No wonder they went down
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fuck me i totally missed that. He joined blose? No wonder they went down
Exactly. TBF he didn't contribute much to their demise, they'd have sank even with out him.
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still, 3 and a half million???! That's cheered me up no end
*checks heskey wasn't sold in January*
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still, 3 and a half million???! That's cheered me up no end
*checks heskey wasn't sold in January*
Don't be stupid, you can't have missed his excellent contribution to the second half of the season.
The £35 million we got for Salifou and Osbourne was quite an unexpected bonus though....those crazy Spaniards eh !
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The bizzare thing is
The press release on pravda finishes with
Check out the amazing benefits available with Villa's new season ticket click here
We've just let 10 players go but hey renew anyway
I know Faulkners' from a marketing background but FFS theres a time and a place
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The bizzare thing is
The press release on pravda finishes with
Check out the amazing benefits available with Villa's new season ticket click here
We've just let 10 players go but hey renew anyway
I know Faulkners' from a marketing background but FFS theres a time and a place
I'm sure it will still appear after their up coming piece on AY joining Man Ure and Downing signing for Arsenal....and Habib Beye signs new 4 year deal.
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NRC is a good player to have at a club like ours. Disappointed we didn't do more to keep him.
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NRC was possibly our most important player this season. He has his limitations, but with Milner gone and Petrov in decline he was vital in at least attempting to keep our midfield together.
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I'd have kept him but maybe he's already decided to go elsewhere. Bottom line is he's not irreplaceable and we should be able to get similar for probably less than we paid for him.
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Glad to see them all go to be honest. Never saw anything in Coker and I think he'll disappear without trace at some middling club that I hope we aren't attempting to mimic - which is why we need shot of the likes of such average ability
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I'm surprised none of the ITK's haven't come out with the real story behind this.
Sorry to see NRC go, if only becuase he's been or should have been first choice in midfield defence.
Heaven help us if Makoun and bradley are supposed to be the alternatives, that's championship thinking at its best.
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Salifou? Thought he was the black Zidane, where did it all go wrong?
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After a good pre-season i am sure Gary Gardner will do a job in the midfield along with Delph and Bannan. Though i do suspect Houllier has someone lined up already to play with Makoun. Reo Coker average at best. And when we see a re vitalised midfield it will become clearer how restricted Reo Coker really was .....
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Can not understand why so many are gutted to see NRC gone, The player had basic talent and for a midfielder who struggled to pass say's it all. Yes he played well for the last 6 months maybe because he was trying to get a contract with another club. The Villa deserve a better talent than NRC.
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NRC was a defensive Midfielder who did a job, he had 85% of Passes Completed (only Petrov betters that at 86%) and made the most tackles per game at an average of 3.3. He was dispossessed on average 1.2 times a game but leading that group was Ashley Young at 1.9 times a game.
I'm sure we could do better but I liked him, he played like we would all play, with fire in his belly, I only wish a couple of the others could take a leaf out of his book. Good Luck to him.
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NRC was a defensive Midfielder who did a job, he had 85% of Passes Completed (only Petrov betters that at 86%) and made the most tackles per game at an average of 3.3. He was dispossessed on average 1.2 times a game but leading that group was Ashley Young at 1.9 times a game.
I'm sure we could do better but I liked him, he played like we would all play, with fire in his belly, I only wish a couple of the others could take a leaf out of his book. Good Luck to him.
Nice facts, Just shows how poor we have been in centre midfield this season if NRC nearly beats Petrov in pass completion.
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Maybe you'd prefer these two.....
http://astonvillablog.com/villa-back-in-for-barton-and-adam/
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I reckon Barton would kill Ireland within a month so...meh
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fuck me i totally missed that. He joined blose? No wonder they went down
He actually played a blinder last Sunday, was their best player by a mile.
They still lost though, you might have read about it ;)
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Releasing Reo-Coker is an absolute crying shame. The only one i'm absolutely gutted about. Carew is a cult hero for the rest of my life but his time is done and it's time to go. Reo had more to offer and to loose him now when he still had something left in the locker is a crime.
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fuck me i totally missed that. He joined blose? No wonder they went down
He actually played a blinder last Sunday, was their best player by a mile.
They still lost though, you might have read about it ;)
Don't follow the blose at all i'm afraid. They really are a bit irrelevant to me. Still trying to think where i was the week he joined them. I remember him coming back from loan but thats about it. Altziemers i reckon :0)
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I recognise that affinity for the club comes before affinity for the player, and this may well be a small matter in the grander scheme of things, but I'm so very very disappointed in everybody at Villa - starting with the present management - for letting go of Nigel Reo-Coker.
Shame on you, Houllier - and shame on you Aston Villa - for letting go of one of the few players who gave a shit this season.
It scares me sometimes how little love I have left for AVFC as an institution, but if Houllier is allowed to continue on as manager - in which case there's nothing being done to stem the inevitable slide of this great club into total irrelevance in the footballing world - then the future is not bright, it's dull at best, and I won't be the mug that wastes any more of his money on unappreciative jerks like Downing and Young while unappreciated and hungry players like Reo-Coker are put on a shelf to rot and then released for nothing when they've worked hard to earn their place in the squad. There, I've said it.
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The slate is being cleared for a reason and under instruction.
There's going to be a blank canvas and a big war-chest for *****. Add some talented youth who are keen to impress and it's a new manager's dream start. Especially one who has many European contacts.
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There's going to be a blank canvas and a big war-chest for *****. Add some talented youth who are keen to impress and it's a new manager's dream start. Especially one who has many European contacts.
Are you suggesting that a new manager has already been lined up? I thought that GH had some final medical tests yesterday, and that a decision on whether or not he'll continue would be made early next week.
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It scares me sometimes how little love I have left for AVFC as an institution, but if Houllier is allowed to continue on as manager - in which case there's nothing being done to stem the inevitable slide of this great club into total irrelevance in the footballing world - then the future is not bright, it's dull at best, and I won't be the mug that wastes any more of his money on unappreciative jerks like Downing and Young while unappreciated and hungry players like Reo-Coker are put on a shelf to rot and then released for nothing when they've worked hard to earn their place in the squad. There, I've said it.
Put on a shelf to rot? He's played virtually every game under Houllier.
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There's going to be a blank canvas and a big war-chest for *****. Add some talented youth who are keen to impress and it's a new manager's dream start. Especially one who has many European contacts.
Are you suggesting that a new manager has already been lined up? I thought that GH had some final medical tests yesterday, and that a decision on whether or not he'll continue would be made early next week.
He won't be coming back as manager for next season. There may be a period of hand-over but that's all.
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If true, that's excellent news.
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He won't be coming back as manager for next season. There may be a period of hand-over but that's all.
Ok, but even so, I'd thought that the board wouldn't approach potential successors before GH leaving was official.
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He won't be coming back as manager for next season. There may be a period of hand-over but that's all.
Ok, but even so, I'd thought that the board wouldn't approach potential successors before GH leaving was official.
The possibility exists that it is official internally, with Gezza OK about everything, and they're just waiting for the right time to announce it.
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The slate is being cleared for a reason and under instruction.
There's going to be a blank canvas and a big war-chest for *****. Add some talented youth who are keen to impress and it's a new manager's dream start. Especially one who has many European contacts.
Crikey. That sounds quite exciting! I'm not sure about *****, though. I mean, what's he ever won, eh?
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No contract for NRC. Unbelievable that we are releasing a player who never let's us down and was mainly responsible for our last two big wins and MotM IMO against Liverpool.
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No contract for NRC. Unbelievable that we are releasing a player who never let's us down and was mainly responsible for our last two big wins and MotM IMO against Liverpool.
There was a contract for NRC, but he wanted more money.
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Really disappointed to see NRC go. That's it: keep Ireland and let go one player who gave a damn last season - great logic the board! They really know how to sell season tickets! So 10 players out, Walker back to Spurs and Young on his way and possibly Downing and the 'small' squad quotes will start to resurface. I predict a smaller, weaker squad come August. I'm not renewing my season ticket until this club displays some proper forward thinking, ambition and leadership.
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He won't be coming back as manager for next season. There may be a period of hand-over but that's all.
Ok, but even so, I'd thought that the board wouldn't approach potential successors before GH leaving was official.
The possibility exists that it is official internally, with Gezza OK about everything, and they're just waiting for the right time to announce it.
The possibility exists, but it seems like a complicated scheme, as I'd imagine most serious candidates would be wary of starting talks about a position unless they were 100% certain that there is a vacancy.
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Really disappointed to see NRC go. That's it: keep Ireland and let go one player who gave a damn last season - great logic the board! They really know how to sell season tickets! So 10 players out, Walker back to Spurs and Young on his way and possibly Downing and the 'small' squad quotes will start to resurface. I predict a smaller, weaker squad come August. I'm not renewing my season ticket until this club displays some proper forward thinking, ambition and leadership.
I'm going to stay positive and say we'll have a smaller, stronger squad. NRC aside, none of the ten who have left really made too much difference.
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Like most people, I'm surprised with the decision to release NRC. He does an important, if limited job, quite effectively. The sort of player that every squad needs.
As for the others? I don't think any of them will be missed, or come back to haunt us.
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I liked NRC's resolve and engine. But tbf - he never fulfilled the early expectations. Plus if he wanted a raise in the current context without having improved - I think it's cheeky.
Well that paves the way for Scotty Parker
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Like most people, I'm surprised with the decision to release NRC. He does an important, if limited job, quite effectively. The sort of player that every squad needs.
As for the others? I don't think any of them will be missed, or come back to haunt us.
It's his decision, not ours. I'm not surprised, he clearly thinks he's a better player than he is, he came out with the 'box to box player' bollocks again the other day. He thinks he can earn more elsewhere and get to be Frank Lampard, so fuck him.
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Really disappointed to see NRC go. That's it: keep Ireland and let go one player who gave a damn last season - great logic the board! They really know how to sell season tickets! So 10 players out, Walker back to Spurs and Young on his way and possibly Downing and the 'small' squad quotes will start to resurface. I predict a smaller, weaker squad come August. I'm not renewing my season ticket until this club displays some proper forward thinking, ambition and leadership.
In what way are NRC's and Ireland's situations at all similar?
One is out of contract and rejected the extension we offered him. The other is still under contract so nothing happens until and unless another club comes in with an offer for him.
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Really disappointed to see NRC go. That's it: keep Ireland and let go one player who gave a damn last season - great logic the board!
Ireland's still on a contract; Reo Coker isn't. Presumably they made him an offer and he gives so much of a damn about the club he didn't accept it.
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Really disappointed to see NRC go. That's it: keep Ireland and let go one player who gave a damn last season - great logic the board! They really know how to sell season tickets! So 10 players out, Walker back to Spurs and Young on his way and possibly Downing and the 'small' squad quotes will start to resurface. I predict a smaller, weaker squad come August. I'm not renewing my season ticket until this club displays some proper forward thinking, ambition and leadership.
Can't people see what has really happened? The club have not said to NRC "we don't want you bugger off" - he has let his contract expire as he refused to sign a new one last summer when MON was here and thus is free to walk away now. The club have, allegedly, offered him a contract but he has said "no thanks I'm off somewhere else (who will offer me more money)".
What are the club supposed to do - offer him a contract that rivals Rooney or say thanks for everything Nige you are only doing what any player can do nowadays in this world where they hold all the aces.
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Arguably the value of something is how much it would cost to replace it. Would we prefer NRC to stay, even if only as a squad player rather than a first choice? I would. So how much would we have to pay to replace him? Okay, that's very subjective since views as to his ability vary so much, but if it's a transfer fee of £4m and £25k per week then in theory we could afford to give him a 4 year contract of £45k per week. If he's asked for a lot more, then good luck elsewhere NRC. I just hope we've let him go because we have identified an upgrade.
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Apparently NRC thought the wages he was on, was what an Aston Villa player could earn without playing. As he has been playing this season, he thought that he should earn a lot more. Presumably the board thought they had to draw a line if the club is ever to get out of the vicious "we pay, you don't play" spiral.
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Arguably the value of something is how much it would cost to replace it. Would we prefer NRC to stay, even if only as a squad player rather than a first choice? I would. So how much would we have to pay to replace him? Okay, that's very subjective since views as to his ability vary so much, but if it's a transfer fee of £4m and £25k per week then in theory we could afford to give him a 4 year contract of £45k per week. If he's asked for a lot more, then good luck elsewhere NRC. I just hope we've let him go because we have identified an upgrade.
This was the theory when Bosmans first started. It soon became clear that if you give a player lots of money because he's on a free then a) he'll be happy to sit around doing nothing until his contract runs out and you can't get rid because nobody else will pay him that much (Hadji, Kachloul) and b) giving a massive rise to one player means everyone else wants the same (Carbone).
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Apparently NRC thought the wages he was on, was what an Aston Villa player could earn without playing. As he has been playing this season, he thought that he should earn a lot more. Presumably the board thought they had to draw a line if the club is ever to get out of the vicious "we pay, you don't play" spiral.
Regrettably, he has a point there. If his wages are the same as, say, Beye and Warnock, then you can see how the previous attitude to wages has left a massive problem.
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Good, at last getting rid of some dead wood,
For all you guys that lament the exit of NRC let's see the quality of clubs that come in for him,
Someone said spurs, are you having a laugh, my gues is Wolves, certainly no better
im with you..
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I don't know how much he thinks he's worth but if no-one else is prepared to pay him what he wants either, I wouldn't write off the prospect of Reo-Coker re-signing for us later this summer.
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Arguably the value of something is how much it would cost to replace it. Would we prefer NRC to stay, even if only as a squad player rather than a first choice? I would. So how much would we have to pay to replace him? Okay, that's very subjective since views as to his ability vary so much, but if it's a transfer fee of £4m and £25k per week then in theory we could afford to give him a 4 year contract of £45k per week. If he's asked for a lot more, then good luck elsewhere NRC. I just hope we've let him go because we have identified an upgrade.
This was the theory when Bosmans first started. It soon became clear that if you give a player lots of money because he's on a free then a) he'll be happy to sit around doing nothing until his contract runs out and you can't get rid because nobody else will pay him that much (Hadji, Kachloul) and b) giving a massive rise to one player means everyone else wants the same (Carbone).
I thinks thats a bit of a cynical view really. Most players apart from a few complete wasters want to play as even if they're totally motivated by money they realise their next contract won't be worth much if they haven't played for 2 seasons.
NRC was basically kicked to the curb by MON early on and would have been a bit part player at the most if MON had stayed. given those circumstances and the fact he probably hasn't got particulary fond memories of his time at Villa i'm not surprised he's looking elsewhere and lets be honest he's probably been talking to other clubs since January.
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I reckon NRC will head back south. Fulham ? QPR ? Reading if they win the play-off ?
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None of these, except for NRC have had any first team impact last season, so there's no loss. NRC only stepped up for the last few weeks. NRC is at best an average / limited player not suited to how we intend to play. I expect Delph to step up and take his place.
We can add A Young, Warnock, Beye & Heskey (hopefully) to that list which releases some cash for young / hungry replacements.
We need to remember that GH won't limit his search to the UK.
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Odd that when Downing with two years left says he won't sign a new contract he's vilified yet the far inferior Reo Coker is praised when walking away for fuck all.
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Im not praising him , Im glad hes gone. Still cant believe MON spent 8.5 million on him..
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Odd that when Downing with two years left says he won't sign a new contract he's vilified yet the far inferior Reo Coker is praised when walking away for fuck all.
totally different situation i think. NRC was dumped on the scrapheap by the last boss. He's been back in favour this season but a) he has no idea if he figures in GH plans and b) whether the guy will be here in a week and he's faced with a new manager who doesn't want him.
Given the above, if a club or manager who really want him have been in contact i'm not surprised he's cut his losses.
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Cut his losses! Do me a favour, he's a wealthy man gone to make himself even more wealthy and not even the excuse of wanting champions league to fall back on.
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thats your opinion chris but i think many people who be wary of signing a new contract with a club if they'd spent much of the last 4 years not playing.
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Odd that when Downing with two years left says he won't sign a new contract he's vilified yet the far inferior Reo Coker is praised when walking away for fuck all.
Why, Chris? You'll have to explain that one because it sounds as if you're sympathising with an England international who is in demand by several clubs who is refusing to commit to his present club, who have single-handedly made him one of the most sought-after PL players this summer; on the other hand it sounds like you're criticizing a player who wasn't offered a deal at a club and now has to look elsewhere with no guarantee of employment.
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ATAL, it does help to be at least a little bit informed before wading in. He was out of contract because he turned down our offers no doubt aware through his agent of where he'll be playing next season. By doing it this way the money that the next club might have had to spend on a transfer fee will go in his pocket instead.
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Odd that when Downing with two years left says he won't sign a new contract he's vilified yet the far inferior Reo Coker is praised when walking away for fuck all.
Agree. It is very strange.
For the last few weeks NRC has been going on about moves to big Italian clubs and has never seemed to make much reference to staying at Villa. He probably made his mind up ages ago in the (probably misguided) belief that he could make a move to a bigger club. He had his eye more clearly on the exit than Downing does now.
I don't believe this has anything to do with lingering resentment towards his treatment under MoN. At the end of the day he had regular first team football under the previous management. The one thing this has to do with is Nigel Reo Coker and his bank balance.
At least Downing will get a move to a bigger and better club.
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Odd that when Downing with two years left says he won't sign a new contract he's vilified yet the far inferior Reo Coker is praised when walking away for fuck all.
Why, Chris? You'll have to explain that one because it sounds as if you're sympathising with an England international who is in demand by several clubs who is refusing to commit to his present club, who have single-handedly made him one of the most sought-after PL players this summer; on the other hand it sounds like you're criticizing a player who wasn't offered a deal at a club and now has to look elsewhere with no guarantee of employment.
I doubt he'll be signing on.
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on the other hand it sounds like you're criticizing a player who wasn't offered a deal at a club
God only knows which player you're talking about here.
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ATAL, it does help to be at least a little bit informed before wading in. He was out of contract because he turned down our offers no doubt aware through his agent of where he'll be playing next season. By doing it this way the money that the next club might have had to spend on a transfer fee will go in his pocket instead.
That's "informed" is it? Maybe his agent should share the info with his client because as of yesterday, despite his wedding proposal acceptance, he was very sad to be leaving us. My 'guess' is he doesn't know where he'll be playing next season. Or is "informed" the fact that agents are greedy?
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For the last few weeks NRC has been going on about moves to big Italian clubs and has never seemed to make much reference to staying at Villa. He probably made his mind up ages ago in the (probably misguided) belief that he could make a move to a bigger club
NRC hasn't opened his mouth, it was his agent barking on about Italian clubs. My guess is NRC was told we had put our final offer on the table a few weeks ago, thus his agent trying to drum up interest. Considering how much GH rated NRC, I can only assume we have somebody lined up to replace him.
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I suppose there is also the crazy situation where NRC resigns later on when he doesn't get the offer's he is after..
Bottom line IMO if he was that wanted he would have signed for someone by now.The Club made him an offer he refused so we said ok byeThe situation with the clubs wages means we needed to make a stand and he is the first casualty.It also wouldn't suprise me if the attitude to buying players changes too.Clearly buying close to home is costing us alot of money in fee's and wages and in terms of English player's as soon as they put on a white England shirt they think they are better than the club and want out.
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ATAL, it does help to be at least a little bit informed before wading in. He was out of contract because he turned down our offers no doubt aware through his agent of where he'll be playing next season. By doing it this way the money that the next club might have had to spend on a transfer fee will go in his pocket instead.
That's 110% gospel, is it? Do you believe everything that you read, or just the rumours that conform to your own prior opinions?
Consider this: Your belief proposes that Nigel is the 1 person on a list of 10 that was offered a contract, didn't want it, and so was released. That's far less likely than the club looked at the situation and decided he was one of a group of players that included the likes of Carew and Salifou who have no future at the club.
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Why would Villa allow a player to leave for nothing when if they had tied him to a contract they could have got a fee for him?
From the Birmingham Mail today, Kendrick is generally well informed:
Reo-Coker was offered an extension to his four year deal which expires this summer, but was looking for a significant pay-rise following his recent revival and refused to sign the extension.
He was Villa’s most improved player last season after his fall out with former boss Martin O’Neill culminated in the infamous training ground ‘contretemps’.
However, Villa currently have Stiliyan Petrov, Fabian Delph and Jean Makoun as defensive midfielders and have little scope in their budget for Reo-Coker’s wage demands.
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A couple of minutes on Google...
“Yes, I hope he will stay with us,” Houllier said. “It’s too early to say but [chief executive] Paul Faulkner has started to have talks with his agent. But he knows I want to keep him.”
But Reo-Coker has rejected Villa's initial offer of new terms following a meeting last week.
NIGEL Reo-Coker has been released by Aston Villa after failing to accept a new contract offer with the club.
Reo-Coker apparently rejected Villa's initial offer last week and is prepared to hold out for as long as possible, using the prospect of leaving for nothing in the summer as a bargaining tool.
Doesn't really sound as though we ignored him and were trying to bundle him out the door, does it?
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Nor does it sound like we wanted to keep him. Since he's left for nothing.
I still don't think Houllier wanted him, which is the bottom line, and that's a disgrace given the effort he's put in this season, and how good he was in the last few months.
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Nor does it sound like we wanted to keep him. Since he's left for nothing.
I still don't think Houllier wanted him, which is the bottom line, and that's a disgrace given the effort he's put in this season, and how good he was in the last few months.
He was offered a contract and he didn't sign it, probably correctly presuming that some other club will given that he's a 'free'.
How in God's name can you blame the management for this situation?
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I still don't think Houllier wanted him, which is the bottom line, and that's a disgrace given the effort he's put in this season, and how good he was in the last few months.
Which is clearly nonsense. Considering he played him in pretty much every game he was available for, made him captain and has said that he wanted to keep him.
Short of handcuffing him to Holte End gates, what more could he realistically do?
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Nor does it sound like we wanted to keep him. Since he's left for nothing.
I still don't think Houllier wanted him, which is the bottom line, and that's a disgrace given the effort he's put in this season, and how good he was in the last few months.
So, despite Dave providing a direct quote of Houllier saying "he knows I want to keep him" you still persist in claiming the exact opposite.
In that case despite you saying that you think he's been a good player I believe that you think he's useless.
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I think it's more a result of the stupid wages we've been paying out over the last few years. If as reported NRC was on £30k a week and he's sees Petrov on £55k, what's he to think? Let's ignore the £70k rumoured to be offered to Ashley and Downing, creative players will always earn more. NRC will look around the dressing room and see players that don't even get in the team earning more than him, not to mention all the other senior players. Not for one minute do I believe he was asking for £80k, just to be put in line with other senior players like Petrov, Dunne etc.
As the General said last summer, we will pay top wages to top players but we need to work on managing the wage bill. I believe that still to be true but those players will be the exception rather than the rule. As good as NRC has been last season, he's a victim of our new realistic wage structure. It's a shame to lose him but we can't continue to pay stupid money on non-star performers.
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do people think that jonathon hogg can fill thr defensive midfield position
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Petrov on £55k a week. I almost have a mouthful of sick.
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do people think that jonathon hogg can fill thr defensive midfield position
I had a look yesterday on a few Pompey sites to try and see how he got on there but with no luck. Clark for me is the obvious choice, I really think he can step up and make the position his own.
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Does anyone know how much Salifou was on? Unbelievable he managed to get 4 years at the club.
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a player who wasn't offered a deal at a club and now has to look elsewhere with no guarantee of employment.
Yes of course I must have missed him down the Job Club yesterday, maybe he was signing on or finding out about free school meals.
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a player who wasn't offered a deal at a club and now has to look elsewhere with no guarantee of employment.
Yes of course I must have missed him down the Job Club yesterday, maybe he was signing on or finding out about free school meals.
The poor fucker. Should we have a whip around ?
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Very surprised about Coker. One of the few to have had a decent season. He never lacks effort and his energy in midfield always helps us. We generally look less solid when he's not playing. However, he's getting paid too much as is, and his apparent demands are unrealistic.
Positively we're finally shedding some dead wood, as should have happen in the last couple of years. It's a shame a few more aren't being released.
If we can sell a few more, like Dunne, Warnock and Ireland in particular, then I'll be pleased. Ash Young has to leave. He wants out, so sell him for as much as we can and re-invest.
The key now, is who we bring in. We're incredibly light on numbers. I really hope that the likes of Gardner, Bannan,,Delph, Clark, Wee-man, Fonzie and Albrighton play more of a part next season.
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Positively we're finally shedding some dead wood, as should have happen in the last couple of years. It's a shame a few more aren't being released.
Is there anybody else other than Friedel?
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Reo-Coker - Workmanlike but no better. No really upset at him going. Will do a good job for somebody like QPR
Carew - Brilliant at his best, and funnily enough the one from the ten who I will miss
Pires - Saw flashes of what he was, but sadly well past his best for us. Will be class for Villa Old Stars!
Salifou - I saw he against Doncaster, he looked ok, will go off to the french 2nd Division or something
Osborne - Walsall??
Dont know enough about the younger players tbh, but I would not be surprised if the League 1 and 2 clubs snap some of the them up. For the others there is always Kiddy Harriers!
Overall, the squad has not been weakened and the wage bill trimmed while the hunt for new blood goes on over summer
Need to dispose of Warnock, Beye, Heskey and Ireland now too and work on keeping Downing
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Positively we're finally shedding some dead wood, as should have happen in the last couple of years. It's a shame a few more aren't being released.
Is there anybody else other than Friedel?
Well, it's a shame 3-4 more aren't out of contract I mean. As for Brad, I'd give him one more year. He hasnt been as good this season as previous, because he's had the red sea in front of him, but he's saved our bacon enough times regardless.
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Fuck off Pires.
Now I've said it !
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Nor does it sound like we wanted to keep him. Since he's left for nothing.
I still don't think Houllier wanted him, which is the bottom line, and that's a disgrace given the effort he's put in this season, and how good he was in the last few months.
I really can't believe I'm reading this.
Houllier played NRC for most of the games he was fit for bar being left out a couple of times round February.
I really don't understand why you blame Houllier for this when our previous manager should be getting the blame, for falling out with him and letting him warm the bench and then not bothering to sell him so he went into the last 12 months of his deal still here.
In any case, decent player but I actually think if both can get good pre seasons then between them Makoun and Delph will comfortably replace him next season.
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I can't see why people are concerned about NRC leaving. He didn't play under O'Neil because he wasn't good enough to get in the team ahead of Barry, Milner or Petrov. He got in the team under GH because after Milner left we had nobody better, except Delph & he was injured. Does anyone seriously believe he was worth what he was earning never mind giving him more. He will be very to replace.
I am more concerned about replacing those first team players who need replacing (Friedel, Petrov, L Young, Collins, Heskey, Warnock) or those who want out (A Young & Downing?).
It will be a very busy 3 months, one way or another.
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Not read all the thread, but with players mentioned, players already left, ash and ireland probably off, presumably are we are making large in roads into reducing the wage bill ?
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Yes that footballing God Steve Sidwell kept NRC out of the team under MON
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Anyone heard these rumours NRC is going to Man U?
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Anyone heard these rumours NRC is going to Man U?
I've said it before, but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see a 'bigger' team than us come in for him.
The fact that he doesn't have a transfer fee is going to make him a lot more attractive. There's no way that Chelsea and Man Utd would have paid money for Sidwell or Owen for example.
£35k a week isn't going to matter a jot to the likes of Man Utd if they can pay the likes of Brown and O'Shea double that and Nige can captain their Carling Cup team.
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right. the rumour seems to be doing the rounds but i can't seem to track down anything on the web. Must be a wind-up........
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Anyone heard these rumours NRC is going to Man U?
QPR, Fulham or Reading (if promoted) far more likley.
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Maybe he's agent is getting a little desperate trying to stoke up interest.
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yeah i know its daft. but then you think hargreaves has gone, scholes is retiring, he's free..... Heard it from two different sources so had to put my mind at rest.
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I'm not surprised to hear that as football is crazy enough these days.
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Anyone heard these rumours NRC is going to Man U?
well , Ferguson bought the Djemba terrible twin once
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Manu could have done with NRC last night, their big problem was that they could not get the ball. NRC is good at breaking the rhythm of opposing teams, they needed more than NRC to get near Barca but Giggs Carrick do not have the ability to do that job.
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Chat from exp and star who has advised that getting rid off these 10players mean were saving 190k per wk, anyone know wages?
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Positively we're finally shedding some dead wood, as should have happen in the last couple of years. It's a shame a few more aren't being released.
Is there anybody else other than Friedel?
Luke Young?
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Maybe he's agent is getting a little desperate trying to stoke up interest.
More his level.
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Anyone heard these rumours NRC is going to Man U?
Joke threads in of Topic mate
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yeah i know its daft. but then you think hargreaves has gone, scholes is retiring, he's free..... Heard it from two different sources so had to put my mind at rest.
It's not daft, it's absolutely mental. NRC at Man U? Don't think so.
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yeah i know its daft. but then you think hargreaves has gone, scholes is retiring, he's free..... Heard it from two different sources so had to put my mind at rest.
It's not daft, it's absolutely mental. NRC at Man U? Don't think so.
On the basis that you've been wrong so often this season Risso, I'm off first thing in the morning to the bookies.