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Heroes & Villains => Match Threads & Player Ratings => Topic started by: Legion on March 18, 2011, 08:03:46 PM
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Available Saturday evening.
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We're deep in the shitter. We need a leader and we don't have one at the club. It might well be our undoing. This is going to be a very ugly place over the next few days.
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Well that was a bit rubbish.
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Ive backed him till now but its clear he cannot motivate the players and appears to have lost the dressing room , we simply must avoid relegation and i think we may be best served now to make a change , if we dont i dont think we will stay up as things are so dreadfully wrong at our club.
Given time i think houllier could improve us a team and a club but we cannot take the risk of relegation so its time to say au revoir!
Today was a step too far and totally unacceptable in such a vital game , very sad day for our club and randy needs to make the right call, even if its big sam until the end of the season on a remit to keep us up.
Today was the final straw im afraid , sorry for ged but he needs to go .
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Absolute disaster, terrible. No positives from that, and I normally look for them.
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Got to go. Said it after Man City, and we've wasted 3 months since.
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We're going down. Moses couldn't lead this team out of trouble now. I see absolutely no light at the end of the tunnel with displays like that. And to Wolves and Mick Mc-fucking-Carthy as well. I just give up.
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Blackburn equalizing is massive. Small mercies and all that.
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At least Wigan have just scored a late winner against the inbreds and Blackburn equalised against Blackpool
Clutching at strawers...
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Desperately poor... even taking into account the selection constraints. One of the worst 90 mins I can remember.
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I honestly think we're down this season. I thought it after Sunderland and i still think it now. I cant see us beating anyone at the moment. Depressing as hell and a loss to Wolves as well of all people.
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Time to fuck right off Houllier.
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Remember Houllier been quoted saying "players are united" I think he should have finished the sentenced "against him!"
Dowd and the lines men got all the big decisions wrong again today both sides had offside decisions which were wrong and Dowd denied a clear penalty and second yellow!
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To be honest, we're lucky we're being so poor this season. This is a season where almost everybody seems to be shit. If we're not among the three shittest, we'll have that to thank.
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we are fucked. no 2 ways about it we are FUCKED
everton (a), newcastle (h), west ham (a), stoke(h), west brom (a), wigan (h), arsenal (a) and liverpool (h)
cant see many points gained from that lot
im not even angry anymore, lerner and houllier have dragged me down to such a level that i cant be arsed anymore
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Three points off bottom with eight games to play.
Ouch.
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He's taken them for team building and this was the result. No-one wants to play play for him. We stink of relegation right now. RAL has to deal with this tonight.
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We have won, lost and drawn the same amount of games as west brom.... But they've actually scored more than us. Ouch!! Doesnt make good reading the table
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14th now, point clear of relegation. Hate the twat, but Allardyce please. We need someone who can get disgraces like Dunne, Warnock and Collins trying again.
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Sam Allardyce in Houllier out!
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I still think we will be OK, but this was a really bad result, even taking into account the injuries. We got lucky with the other matches that it wasn't even worse.
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As I said earlier if the guy has any honour whatsoever his resignation will be arriving on Lerners desk in the next 30 minutes. If not then the very least I expect is for the chairman to terminate his employment. Normally I wouldn't suggest sacking a manager so late in the season but I truly believe this is the only chance we have of avoiding relegation.
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There were no positives. Can't blame the makeshift defence. There was nothing offered in front of them.
For the first time, I am genuinely concerned.
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Words just simply cannot describe how I'm feeling right now. Gutless performance.
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If GH is still at Villa park next season then i'm removing my Villa Tattoo, Please Lerner sort that twat out.
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As I said when MON went, Allardyce please.
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As I said when MON went, Allardyce please.
You said that when MON went, oh sensei? Dear Lord.
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I've said for a while that getting rid of him, with the uncertainty it would create, would just make matters worse and see us down.
However, having watched that gutless, pathetic, directionless, insipid performance, I think we are actually getting worse. That is bad enough, but what makes it even worse is the fact that we are starting to look like a runaway train totally out of control, heading for relegation.
It is really hard to see where we are going to pick any points up for the rest of the season. One of the things many of us have said all season is that we'll be ok, if only because there are three teams worse than us in the division.
Are there, though? Who are they? There might be teams with, on paper, a weaker first XI, and a weaker bench than us, but I don't think there is a side there more utterly devoid of fight and of spirit as we are.
I reckon Randy has got a very difficult decision, and it is one that he needs to make quickly. As in 'tonight' quickly.
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We are well in it. I don't see where the points are coming from. Lots of clubs around us are picking up points and we seem to be completely hapless and hopeless.
That was utterly dispiriting and soul destroying. We are a rudderless ship that has just hit an ice berg. The question is whether we are going to sink. The hapless management team and the players who with a few exceptions seem to be either gutless wankers or total arseholes are to blame for this shambles and it is the second group that makes this so soul destroying.
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steve mcclaren in tomorrow.
houllier hopefully will just resign. Would have a lot more respect for him if he did.
There comes a point when players stop playing for a manager. For any Villa supporter watching our current crop effectively back Collins and Dunne today with a non effort today was disgusting. Wolves were so crap they could only beat us 1-0. A decent side would have hammered us.
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There were no positives. Can't blame the makeshift defence. There was nothing offered in front of them.
For the first time, I am genuinely concerned.
Ditto. Always though twe had more than enough to get out of this easily....now, not so sure...very. very concerning...
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As I said when MON went, Allardyce please.
When MON left we needed a manager to push us on into the top 6 and Allardyce was not that man, But it would be a better option to GH.
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Awful,gutless performance.
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back in 1995 we lost 4-0 to arsenaland then 1-0 to leeds and i honestly thought we were down then but unfortunately this season i cant see us playing anyone as half hearted as liverpool were in the final home game of that season. i cant see us staying up, i really cant.
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Just seen the table. Christ, how weird does it look?! The bottom eight separated by 3 points.
The worrying thing for us is that teams we would have written off as down a month or two ago - namely Wigan, Wolves and West Ham, are now getting results.
They all have fight in them whereas for all the talent we possess we're a disorganised rabble of young and experienced and every single other team in the league wants to win more than we do.
It's really worrying, I'm not sure if we'll manage to do enough to stay up now.
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For all those criticising Ash, he did at least look like he cared.
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steve mcclaren in tomorrow.
houllier hopefully will just resign. Would have a lot more respect for him if he did.
There comes a point when players stop playing for a manager. For any Villa supporter watching our current crop effectively back Collins and Dunne today with a non effort today was disgusting. Wolves were so crap they could only beat us 1-0. A decent side would have hammered us.
Think it's too late for that need someone who WILL get us out of trouble only 1 option Sam Allardyce
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Pull the effing trigger Randy. This is not working out.
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The only positive is that it's still in our hands. There is no other alternative, if Houllier doesnt resign RL will sack him.
I don't think there is a chairman in the league who would be so stupid to keep anybody as utterly clueless as Gerard Houllier as manager.
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Just heard there was banners that were taken down saying Houllier out!
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I'm sorry but all those calling for houllier to go really need to look at the so called stars who for the vast majority of this season have simply failed to live up to their overhyped reputations.
Young, Downing, Dunne,Petrov, Warnock,and to a certain extent Agbonlahor all have flattered to deceive.
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unfortunately this season i cant see us playing anyone as half hearted as liverpool were in the final home game of that season.
I can. Liverpool. (Again).
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Still don't want Allardyce, if he takes charge there is no point in bothering to watch Villa. If Houllier does go, it needs to be someone else.
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At least Davis is playing for Blue's there definitely going down if he's in the team each week!
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Taking Albrighton off (again) just about sums it up - it is my birthday today, best present would be GH to fuck off NOW!
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Where's Marcus Allback when you need him?
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on that gutless display i can only see points coming from possibly wigan at home in the remaining games. he's gotta go, from anfield to man city he's took the piss out of us and the club we love. fuck off houllier .
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The only positive is that it's still in our hands. There is no other alternative, if Houllier doesnt resign RL will sack him.
I don't think there is a chairman in the league who would be so stupid to keep anybody as utterly clueless as Gerard Houllier as manager.
I thought that months ago. Came to the conclusion that if RL didn't mind taking the financial hit, why should I worry? Fuck it, it might be a laugh next season.
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I'm sorry but all those calling for houllier to go really need to look at the so called stars who for the vast majority of this season have simply failed to live up to their overhyped reputations.
Young, Downing, Dunne,Petrov, Warnock,and to a certain extent Agbonlahor all have flattered to deceive.
They seemed to do ok under the other manager? Agbonlahor, Young continuously played out of position, Warnock totally ignored and Downing has been our best player this season. These are all decisions made by the current manager.........
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We went to Stourbridge
We won 3-0
Somebody let me now when the real Villa are back and we will go up again...
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Desperate stuff. Hate to state the obvious but Albion, Wigan, West Ham, Everton and Newcastle are all must wins, as I can't see us getting points elsewhere.
If Everton lose tonight then the crowd will be on their backs as they're in freefall, so that might work in our favour.
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Guttless! Awful! No fight! No formation, No tactics, No gameplay, lacklustre, just totally and utterly shit, no spirit what so ever, we deserve to go down, totally ashamed!
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Desperate stuff. Hate to state the obvious but Albion, Wigan, West Ham, Everton and Newcastle are all must wins, as I can't see us getting points elsewhere.
If Everton lose tonight then the crowd will be on their backs as they're in freefall, so that might work in our favour.
Freefall? What I'd give for 37 points.
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I cannot dwell on this anymore, the next time I log on tomorrow I fully expect to see the odds being touted for the next Aston Villa manager.
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Sam Allardyce in Houllier out!
I beg your pardon?
On a different note, we were atrocious.
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Lerner has fucked up here big style as well, i know he has done a lot for the club but he deserves flak when its due
appointing a guy who hadnt been in management for over 6 years, overseeing that french farce at the world cup to boot, AND NOT SACKING him in January when it was obvious months before hand he had lost the dressing room, im sorry Randy the buck stops firmly at your door
the only thing that will save us this season, in my opinion is to sack him now and hopefully get a new man in whos remit is to save us this season
usually when a manger is sacked, results improve
that is genuinely the only straw we have left
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No excuses Frenchie - fuck off.
Ashley Young - Fuck off.
Fucking useless shower of shite.
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I've tried pretending that this isn't happening, but it's no good. Waving that white flag at Citeh was just a disaster.
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It is going to be a long two months, it was not good to watch and the teams around us are all picking up points, we are in freefall.
Ashley Young looked like his head had gone today.
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Disgusting. Disgraceful.
3 at the back, are u for real?!
We gave up a FA Cup semi-final for this?!
Yet again 1 step forwards 2 steps back.
Losing to Dingles at home and putting ourselves just 1 point above the drop. Nice job houllier.
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To think I pessimistically predicted 46 points for Villa not so long back. We'll need 13 out of 24 to get even that.
I also predicted that Houllier would end in tears. Sabbatical year to manage Villa my arse!
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so called stars don't like or understand him and we need change asap, they are the ones who will get us out of this shit, Houlier and GMac won't, they are quite clearly a couple of fuckwits
I'm sorry but all those calling for houllier to go really need to look at the so called stars who for the vast majority of this season have simply failed to live up to their overhyped reputations.
Young, Downing, Dunne,Petrov, Warnock,and to a certain extent Agbonlahor all have flattered to deceive.
They seemed to do ok under the other manager? Agbonlahor, Young continuously played out of position, Warnock totally ignored and Downing has been our best player this season. These are all decisions made by the current manager.........
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Disgraceful. We fear everyone now.
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Another thing that struck me, sitting rite next to the tunnel, there were loads of kids asking for autographs etc as the players came off from the pre match warm up, not one of the over paid, pri-madonna wankers stopped, they totally blanked them, were as the Wolves players were happy to stop and sign, its just all wrong
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We deserve the inevitable.
Utter gash! The constant wasting of crosses, corners, set plays is really annoying now.
If we get relegated i wouldn't sell Young he can do the rounds for another year all of them can. Then he can 0121 on a free.
How can losing one player in the summer really change the team dynamic! Now we can truly understand why he was called the workhorse.
They'll be know streams next season it might actually make me go down more plus 3pm kickoffs 'oh the perks!
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I'm sorry but all those calling for houllier to go really need to look at the so called stars who for the vast majority of this season have simply failed to live up to their overhyped reputations.
Young, Downing, Dunne,Petrov, Warnock,and to a certain extent Agbonlahor all have flattered to deceive.
They seemed to do ok under the other manager? Agbonlahor, Young continuously played out of position, Warnock totally ignored and Downing has been our best player this season. These are all decisions made by the current manager.........
Young has been indulged to whatever he wants to do in order to keep him here, pity he didnt get a red today as I think the team would benefit from not having him in the side.
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Following Villa this season has been like having permanent toothache
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so called stars don't like or understand him and we need change asap, they are the ones who will get us out of this shit, Houlier and GMac won't, they are quite clearly a couple of fuckwitsI'm sorry but all those calling for houllier to go really need to look at the so called stars who for the vast majority of this season have simply failed to live up to their overhyped reputations.
Young, Downing, Dunne,Petrov, Warnock,and to a certain extent Agbonlahor all have flattered to deceive.
They seemed to do ok under the other manager? Agbonlahor, Young continuously played out of position, Warnock totally ignored and Downing has been our best player this season. These are all decisions made by the current manager.........
sorry but they arent getting us out of this position are they?
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Houllier is making DOLs record look better. This is reason enough not to like him.
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Following Villa this season has been like having permanent toothache
I've got toothache. Following the Villa is worse.
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Piles then.
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Just heard there was banners that were taken down saying Houllier out!
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This one? And that was before the game!
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We have had so much time and so many chances to get out of the shit. And yet, here we are. Worse than ever.
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Lack of fight/spirit/effort is clear to see from many of the so called star players - how about Ian Hollaway or Mick McCarthy taking over and sorting the mess out???
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Just heard there was banners that were taken down saying Houllier out!
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This one? And that was before the game!
To be honest, before the game, that is fucking stupid.
How on earth was that going to help?
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No and no.
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We have had so much time and so many chances to get out of the shit. And yet, here we are. Worse than ever.
That's the thing. We're actually getting worse. Not better, not "kind of the same", but deteriorating.
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Just heard there was banners that were taken down saying Houllier out!
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This one? And that was before the game!
To be honest, before the game, that is fucking stupid.
How on earth was that going to help?
If you see the bottom of the banner, it's signed by Dunne ans Collins.
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Please please please stop calling for Allardyce
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The list of other potential managers is giving me nightmares.
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To think I pessimistically predicted 46 points for Villa not so long back. We'll need 13 out of 24 to get even that.
I also predicted that Houllier would end in tears. Sabbatical year to manage Villa my arse!
From the moment he came in he gave the air of a man in cruise control, that we were little more than a boost to his pension fund.
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We'd have more chance of getting points if our remaining games were against top six sides. It's the only thing that seems to motivate our lot.
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We have had so much time and so many chances to get out of the shit. And yet, here we are. Worse than ever.
That's the thing. We're actually getting worse. Not better, not "kind of the same", but deteriorating.
The players clearly don't want him there, as bad as we sometimes were under O'Neill, the vast majority of the time the players put everything they had in to the game, you could criticise their ability but never their effort. Now we don't even bother, and as much as I dislike Houllier, I detest the players even more. Whatever's going on, whatever their relationship with the manager, they should put the effort in. The lot of them can fuck off.
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Please please please stop calling for Allardyce
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so called stars don't like or understand him and we need change asap, they are the ones who will get us out of this shit, Houlier and GMac won't, they are quite clearly a couple of fuckwitsI'm sorry but all those calling for houllier to go really need to look at the so called stars who for the vast majority of this season have simply failed to live up to their overhyped reputations.
Young, Downing, Dunne,Petrov, Warnock,and to a certain extent Agbonlahor all have flattered to deceive.
They seemed to do ok under the other manager? Agbonlahor, Young continuously played out of position, Warnock totally ignored and Downing has been our best player this season. These are all decisions made by the current manager.........
sorry but they arent getting us out of this position are they?
Only two of them started today.....
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We'd have more chance of getting points if our remaining games were against top six sides. It's the only thing that seems to motivate our lot.
Even then we lose heroically. We don't win.
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Just heard there was banners that were taken down saying Houllier out!
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This one? And that was before the game!
To be honest, before the game, that is fucking stupid.
How on earth was that going to help?
If you see the bottom of the banner, it's signed by Dunne ans Collins.
Looks like the owner has copyrighted his banner :-)
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Before the city game we were picking up and turning things around - since that night we have been in freefall and the buck stops at the top. We were totally unacceptable today and I've heard houllier saying we were unlucky and hit the bar - no Gerard-you have lost the team and they are not playing for you, please do the honourable thing and go.
Our club is a shambles right now, record debts and players who don't seem to care - sort it out randy and fast- we will all be here long after you have gone and this is now farcical.
The manager hAs clearly lost the dressing room
And why albrighton was subbed I find amazing - what an utter shambles we look when you think how much this team cost.
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Just back for the game in time to see Houliers Sky interview nonsense.
Houllier out- that is all.
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Please please please stop calling for Allardyce
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I know it's a horrible thought, but we are in an 8-game season, and more important than tactics or quality of football, are motivation and personality. Sorry, but he's our best bet for staying up.
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I know things are bad when the post match thread is polite and rational like this
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I honestly believe the club is utterly paralysed right now. They have tried every possible option to try to rectify problems, buy a big name player, send the players off for team building, back the boss, appease the fans with offers and deals, yet here we are again.
It is unquestionable to me that he has lost the dressing room and the players don't want to play for either him or his sidekick, but at the same time the club has stated that they will back him no matter what, which means that we are now stuck with him in the misguided belief that he will turn it around and because deep down the management are utterly fearful and afraid to make a decision. Paralysis is gripping the board.
What makes this even worse is that if we do go down, we will go into financial meltdown unless we hold a fire sale of players. Either way, unless something drastic happens right now, I am frankly cacking myself.
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Just back for the game in time to see Houliers Sky interview nonsense.
Houllier out- that is all.
Well it looks like he isn't going to resign so Randy will sack him tonight. I'm 100% confident of this...........
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This is all Lerner's fault. A fool and his money are soon parted.
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Sticking with Houllier is accepting relegation
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We have had so much time and so many chances to get out of the shit. And yet, here we are. Worse than ever.
That's the thing. We're actually getting worse. Not better, not "kind of the same", but deteriorating.
The players clearly don't want him there, as bad as we sometimes were under O'Neill, the vast majority of the time the players put everything they had in to the game, you could criticise their ability but never their effort. Now we don't even bother, and as much as I dislike Houllier, I detest the players even more. Whatever's going on, whatever their relationship with the manager, they should put the effort in. The lot of them can fuck off.
That's the thing, I don't recall any player in the midst of our struggles this year even going the token route of "all the lads are behind the gaffer" schtick. Not necessarily enough on it's own to extrapolate that they aren't playing for him, true. But the performances give a fair degree of certainty to that.
Genuinely not sure which way I'd go, thoughts of Allardyce's expansive brand of 'assault the keeper and pile in,' on any kind of medium> longterm basis make me want to cry. And make no mistake, he wouldn't come here for just a few games, he'd want a 2/3 year deal. But we may be entering lesser of two evils territory.
FWIW, I'd be tempted to give Kevin Mac the gig on a short term basis. The players might at least play for him. If we stay up we'd have the summer to secure a decent long term appointment. If we go down, it will hardly be his fault.
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Risso you are right in a way, randy must hold up his hands and say enough is enough- we are in the shit and need a man who can get the players motivated - big Sam for 8 games ?
Tonight I think we have reached new depths and looking at his press conference he looks as if he couldn't inspire anyone - what a mess!
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This is all Lerner's fault. A fool and his money are soon parted.
interesting idea
do you suggest we call for his exit
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Today was awful. No glossing over that. I'm not sure what the answer is, but people need stop with suggesting fucking Allardyce. I get the desperate times bit, but he woudn't come for 8 games. He'd want a long term deal and we'd end up looking and playing like Blackburn. I get the knives being out for Houllier, but FFS not Allardyce or any other long ball, elbows in your face tosser football please.
I posted our run-in on another thread compared to the others. I know things look bleak now, but there are other teams that are in just as much bother. The fact that the bottom two teams won today has made it incredibly tight, and everyone's now in the mix and none of us are safe.
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We have had so much time and so many chances to get out of the shit.
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Oddly enough, whilst watching the game today on a dodgy stream, I kept getting the uncomfortable feeling I'd tuned into a scheissmovie by mistake.
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Kevin Mac?
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What about that Bolton bloke? He's doing alright, isn't he?
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There are not going to sack him, they'll just hope we get out of this... personally i'd be on the phone to Chris Hughton asap.
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This is all Lerner's fault. A fool and his money are soon parted.
Very harsh, and a crude insult to a man who has had a good go at helping our club. You should know better.
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I always say give a Manager 3 seasons, but wherever we we end up (And I think we're going down) he's got to go.
Just heard him on WM
1. He blames a hangover from the Bolton game on losing
2. He says we needed goals, hence bringing Gabby on (On the fucking wing)
3. He thinks we were unlucky today
Clueless and delusional.
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First time today I thought he was lost. He has lost them I think, and I think he needs to be eased upstairs. We need something to give us backbone, and fast. Felt desperate today. Not felt this low about a game for a long time. Time to go. I have been with him till now. Got to act to stay up if there is that little fight.
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What about that Bolton bloke? He's doing alright, isn't he?
He's the flavour of the season, and he is doing very well. However, as much he might be interesting in the summer, do we really want a manager that will have jumped from two clubs in the space of 18 months? What's to say, he doesn't start something with us, and bolts as soon as the next bigger job comes along? That would leave us at square one yet again.
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our mistake was not poaching a manager. Restricting ourself to non contracted managers was folly.
We should have spent big to get in Moyes or Jol.
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our mistake was not poaching a manager. Restricting ourself to non contracted managers was folly.
As was restricting ourselves to those with Premier League experience. How much experience had Fergie, Wenger or Mourinho had before they came in? Bizarre, it was like MON's transfer policy.
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First time today I thought he was lost. He has lost them I think, and I think he needs to be eased upstairs. We need something to give us backbone, and fast. Felt desperate today. Not felt this low about a game for a long time. Time to go. I have been with him till now. Got to act to stay up if there is that little fight.
Ozz, you and I have been very much on the same page on things throughout. I certainly don't advocate firing him, and I can certainly see what he is trying to build at the club. But maybe his time is past. Maybe he doesn't have the fire to get in players faces because of his health. I think his brain is fine, but physically he might not be the bloke anymore. I think as a director he could build a very good set up at the club for years to come. But he might not be the man for the touchline any more.
We need to stagger into the summer by any method possible now. Get there, exhale, and start a major renovation job. Because we need it. If Houllier isn't the man, I'd like for us to turn to someone young and hungry with a good track record, and ready to step up.
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I'm in agony with a chest infection and I had to endure that gutless load of shit.
And by the way, that banner at the start was a fucking disgrace, the atmosphere was bad enough to begin with without that.
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First time today I thought he was lost. He has lost them I think, and I think he needs to be eased upstairs.
No way, get him out all together, it seems clear that the players don't want to fight for him so there is no point in having him at the club in any shape or form.
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What about that Bolton bloke? He's doing alright, isn't he?
He's the flavour of the season, and he is doing very well. However, as much he might be interesting in the summer, do we really want a manager that will have jumped from two clubs in the space of 18 months? What's to say, he doesn't start something with us, and bolts as soon as the next bigger job comes along? That would leave us at square one yet again.
He'd ceratinly be on my shortlist. Bolton were very unlucky not to get anything at Old Trafford today. I think Coyle will prove to be more than "flavour of the season".
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If you get rid alot of the shite will end up having a clean slate. I don't want Warnock, Dunne, Beye, Collins, Petrov etc. here anymore. Does anyone?
I like Coyle though. He is gettable.
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If we got to the summer, in this league and GH went, Coyle would be my first choice my a mile.
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our mistake was not poaching a manager. Restricting ourself to non contracted managers was folly.
As was restricting ourselves to those with Premier League experience. How much experience had Fergie, Wenger or Mourinho had before they came in? Bizarre, it was like MON's transfer policy.
Spot on Monty. As I've mentioned a few times, I think we only got half the deal when GH became manager without Patrice Berges.
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our mistake was not poaching a manager. Restricting ourself to non contracted managers was folly.
As was restricting ourselves to those with Premier League experience. How much experience had Fergie, Wenger or Mourinho had before they came in? Bizarre, it was like MON's transfer policy.
Indeed. It was an honest mistake though on Randy's part. GH has let Randy down, big time, especially given the money he was allowed to spend in January.
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First time today I thought he was lost. He has lost them I think, and I think he needs to be eased upstairs. We need something to give us backbone, and fast. Felt desperate today. Not felt this low about a game for a long time. Time to go. I have been with him till now. Got to act to stay up if there is that little fight.
Ozz, you and I have been very much on the same page on things throughout. I certainly don't advocate firing him, and I can certainly see what he is trying to build at the club. But maybe his time is past. Maybe he doesn't have the fire to get in players faces because of his health. I think his brain is fine, but physically he might not be the bloke anymore. I think as a director he could build a very good set up at the club for years to come. But he might not be the man for the touchline any more.
We need to stagger into the summer by any method possible now. Get there, exhale, and start a major renovation job. Because we need it. If Houllier isn't the man, I'd like for us to turn to someone young and hungry with a good track record, and ready to step up.
Agreed. Klinnsmann or Bilic, for me, if possible. The club as a whole seems to have no vigour at the moment, no drive, spark or direction. Houllier has all the right ideas, but maybe the necessary madness isn't there anymore. I remember Arrigo Sacchi after he'd left Milan - he did so much to impose his vision and, when he'd finally achieved everything he'd set out to, he didn't have the will to impose his vision any more and hasn't managed successfully again. His ideas and philosophy are as impeccable as ever - but I wouldn't appoint him as manager because the fire is gone. The same may be said of Houllier.
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
From this weeks goings on it is obvious Houllier has lost control of the players and whilst the injury list has been catastrophic much of the problems look self inflicted.
I normally see no point in changing managers so late, KM was bad, Houllier is no better, Allardyce is no answer, but keeping Houllier will not avoid relegation.
The squad have no idea and more importantly no will to fight for survival, all the others do.
Whether a new man can affect any change in so short a time is unlikely, but
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
The players like him, he knows MON's methods and can revert to type. It might not be pretty, but he'd get us the three wins that'd keep us up, probably.
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keV mac? No way , remember Newcastle away- he is not the man to save us , big Sam would take it for 8 games if the money was right and keeping us up would enhance his reputation.
On a full time basis Owen coyle and David moyes may both be tempted in the summer or Martin jol is available- GED has lost the players and there is no way back once that happens - act now randy!
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I would still, if I were Houllier or Randy, have the conversation on Monday and say right, how much to get Phil Thompson and Patrice Bergues in even for a 3 month period to do what needs to be done to stick some desire into them. His philosephy is right, but he needs a link to the players and someone that is willing to give them what for. At half time we needed a dogs of war speach, and I don't think that was what was delivered. I strangely really like him, and want him to do well, but want us to stay up more than that, and without fight we won't stay up, today we lacked that fight. Totally deflated.
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And by the way, that banner at the start was a fucking disgrace, the atmosphere was bad enough to begin with without that.
I said the same thing, absolutely moronic thing to do. How on earth was that going to help? *Before* the match?
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see these people that are saying no to big Sam and KM, what fucken planet are you all on?
under Houllier we wont pick up another point, never mind 3 or 4 wins... he has to go, something has to happen to lift the mood and confidence around Villa Park
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And by the way, that banner at the start was a fucking disgrace, the atmosphere was bad enough to begin with without that.
I said the same thing, absolutely moronic thing to do. How on earth was that going to help? *Before* the match?
You could tell what a wanker he was by his putting his name and copyright on it, the twat.
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
The players like him, he knows MON's methods and can revert to type. It might not be pretty, but he'd get us the three wins that'd keep us up, probably.
revert to Mons methods says it all
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And by the way, that banner at the start was a fucking disgrace, the atmosphere was bad enough to begin with without that.
You could tell what a wanker he was by putting his name and copyright on it, the twat.
I said the same thing, absolutely moronic thing to do. How on earth was that going to help? *Before* the match?
Seriously?
I only saw the HOULLIER OUT bit.
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
From this weeks goings on it is obvious Houllier has lost control of the players and whilst the injury list has been catastrophic much of the problems look self inflicted.
I normally see no point in changing managers so late, KM was bad, Houllier is no better, Allardyce is no answer, but keeping Houllier will not avoid relegation.
The squad have no idea and more importantly no will to fight for survival, all the others do.
Whether a new man can affect any change in so short a time is unlikely, but
You're right . At this late stage it'd be pointless, there is just no point in firing the manager with 8 games to go. It would be making things harder and we'd look desperate. We've just got to hold out with the current manager.
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
The players like him, he knows MON's methods and can revert to type. It might not be pretty, but he'd get us the three wins that'd keep us up, probably.
revert to Mons methods says it all
Yeah - winning football matches is the last thing we need right now!
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
The players like him, he knows MON's methods and can revert to type. It might not be pretty, but he'd get us the three wins that'd keep us up, probably.
revert to Mons methods says it all
Yeah, cos he was shite at avoiding relegation wasn't he?
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
The players like him, he knows MON's methods and can revert to type. It might not be pretty, but he'd get us the three wins that'd keep us up, probably.
revert to Mons methods says it all
Yeah - winning football matches is the last thing we need right now!
Playing a formation that the players know and understand yeah
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Houllier has done a lot of good but he's made many errors too and I feel his choice of Garry mac was the worst of them- once a manager has lost the dressing room there is nowhere to go- it's a shame because I liked what he was trying to do but enough us enough- we must avoid relegation and we will not do that unless the players are motivated and fight for the manager- not in this case.
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
From this weeks goings on it is obvious Houllier has lost control of the players and whilst the injury list has been catastrophic much of the problems look self inflicted.
I normally see no point in changing managers so late, KM was bad, Houllier is no better, Allardyce is no answer, but keeping Houllier will not avoid relegation.
The squad have no idea and more importantly no will to fight for survival, all the others do.
Whether a new man can affect any change in so short a time is unlikely, but
You're right . At this late stage it'd be pointless, there is just no point in firing the manager with 8 games to go. It would be making things harder and we'd look desperate. We've just got to hold out with the current manager.
I have no doubt that this is precisely what the board are thinking. I think we simple have to play the percentages between now and the end of this season and hope and prey that there are 3 worse teams than us, because no matter what I can't see Randy pulling the trigger right now. If we manage to get out of this, I suspect Randy will be the first one breathing a massive sigh of relief, downing a stiff whisky and then getting shot of Houllie at the first possible opportunity.
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I normally refrain from posting right after a match, but we were awful today.
Houllier's biggest problem is he seems not to know how to handle and motivate the modern player. Technically he's bought the right players, is getting us playing the right way and making good use of the accademy, but from a sheer personality perspective he doesn't have it and never will, IMO.
Not sure I'd sack him now, although wouldn't blame Randy if he did, but regardless of what happens between now and the end of the season I think he HAS to go.
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Re: Emergency Houllier replacement. How about Martin Laursen? I bet we'd see a lot more fight if he was on the touchline. Plus it would galvanise the crowd, most of whom are just waiting for Houllier to fail.
Anyone hear the Downing interview? Not one 'back the manager' type comment. The way he spoke it was like we don't even have a manager.
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Le Gaffeur doesn't appear to think anything is wrong.
He always been one to make excuses.
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Only saw the second half but that was shite.
How bad does it have to get before GH is sacked?? What more damage can he do to our club before the penny drops for RL.
The man is a complete joke and he is slowly destroying the club.
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
The players like him, he knows MON's methods and can revert to type. It might not be pretty, but he'd get us the three wins that'd keep us up, probably.
revert to Mons methods says it all
Yeah - winning football matches is the last thing we need right now!
It's not his methods which were better, as they demonstrably held us back. What it is is that he has, or had, the madness every coach needs, the madness that drives you on, that almost insane confidence in your own ability that has the players hanging on your every word and believing in themselves so much more. GH has all the right ideas, and if we stay up I think they will benefit us hugely long-term - but he seems to have lost that madness that you need if you want to win games.
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I've seen some rubbish tonight, but to suggest putting KM back in charge tops them all.
The players like him, he knows MON's methods and can revert to type. It might not be pretty, but he'd get us the three wins that'd keep us up, probably.
Even 2 wins and a draw would probably be sufficient.
When you look at it like that, with the games we have left (even if they are running out) it's do-able.
Just not necessarily with GH.
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What was said in the downing interview to make it sound like we had no manager? Where was the interview - I haven't seen or heard it?
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Just got back, and am just as totally pissed off as everyone else.
A couple of things stood out for me today.
1. A total lack of leadership on the pitch. I never saw a single player gee'ing up the team, trying to get them going. There was a point, about 15 mins from the end when the lino got injured and the game stopped for a few mins. The team just stood around, looking at the floor. No one of them tried to fire their teammates up for a final push. Their body language suggests that they have given in.
2. I have no idea what Bent's strengths are.........still. Not having a pop at him particularly, but because of the total lack of chances we create, I have no idea what kind of service he thrives on. Does he like it over the top to run onto ? Crossed from the wings ? Threaded through to him ? I honestly don't know.
If anyone says we are too good to go down, they are mental.
And the statement that our saving grace is that there are worse teams than us.....I don't think so....I'm stuggling to think of one.
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How the f*** can anybody back Houllier after that?
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I didn't see the game but i am still gutted something has got to happen soon.
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Come on Randy, do the right thing - sack him.
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The reality is that RAL (nice guy as he is) will stick with GH and as a consequence in all probability we will go down.
What are these transient incompetents doing to our club? It may take 10 years to recover from this.
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The shitfest we've had to put up with over the last few days kind of make me look fondly on Doug.
For all of the good things Randy has done, Doug would never have put up with this useless cock-sucker for so long.
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So far Houllier is Randy's only mistake since coming in. I hope not getting rid, be it now or in the summer, does not prove to be his second!
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Lot of games I can get too next season....Brighton away if they come up, Palace away if they stay up, Watford and Reading if they don't go up....
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What was said in the downing interview to make it sound like we had no manager? Where was the interview - I haven't seen or heard it?
Maybe it was just me over-analysing it but he kept talking about the players needing to fight and 'ignore the negativity' when I would have expected at least a token reference to getting behind the manager, especially when he was specifically asked about the dressing room unrest.
(It was on BRMB by the way)
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Re: Emergency Houllier replacement. How about Martin Laursen? I bet we'd see a lot more fight if he was on the touchline. Plus it would galvanise the crowd, most of whom are just waiting for Houllier to fail.
Anyone hear the Downing interview? Not one 'back the manager' type comment. The way he spoke it was like we don't even have a manager.
I heard it, it was very poor.
It seemed to me that he didn't understand the deep,deep shit we are in, until Tom Ross pointed it out.
He thought we played well and were unlucky.
Eventually, he accepted we are in a battle to survive.
He did not sound like the sharpest tool in the box.
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You made a mistake appointing Houllier, Mr Lerner, don't compound it by being weak now!
As has been said, if we go down, this will take years to put right.
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Not sure what was up with Bent, no chasing down defenders, no effort.
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Just got back and am stunned by that. That was fucking awful. Two very shit teams playing very shit football. I can't remember the last time I saw a game with that many misplaced passes, pass that were on target were constantly miscontrolled by both sides. The only difference was one side had a bit more heart and bottle, and that won them the game.
That was a performance of a side in serious serious shit and headed for the drop, especially considering who the opposition were. For the first time this season I am doubting whether we have what it takes to stay up, because on todays performance, it didn't look like it.
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Point of order:
RAL = Reform Acquisitions Limited: Randy's Holding Company
RDL = Randolph D. Lerner
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So - Man of the Match? I'll give it Marc Albrighton.
Any alternatives?
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So - Man of the Match? I'll give it Marc Albrighton.
Any alternatives?
Kyle Walker.
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P.s. If you're going to rely on crosses to create something, tell your strikers and midfielders to make a fucking effort to get into the box. I am sick to death of seeing Walker/Albrighton/Young/Downing reaching the byline to cross the ball in and to then see no fucker in the middle to benefit.
PPS I can't believe how abysmal Makoun was today, how the fuck was he kept on for 90 minutes?
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That was so bad that I'm hardly bothered now - totally deserved to lose to a poor Wolves team. The lads looked really fit and refreshed after a week off didn't they!?
The Man City decision was criminal and can't see how we'll recover from that.
I really wanted GH to succeed after the Bent signing but its simply not going to happen now. He's not the type of gaffer you want for a relegation battle and he's lost the fans.
BTW the Geordies will be desperate to do us after we sent them down - could come back to haunt us.
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So - Man of the Match? I'll give it Marc Albrighton.
Any alternatives?
Kyle Walker.
I thought Herd didnt do a lot wrong..........
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But that's what happens when you have one up front, but four or five trying to set him up. Their central defenders hardly had to break sweat!
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But that's what happens when you have one up front, but four or five trying to set him up. Their central defenders hardly had to break sweat!
Yeah. You're right. Every manager at the top of the game is wrong, and you are right. Congratulations!
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He lost what few supporters he had when he subbed Albrighton today. Clueless.
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Just got back and am stunned by that. That was fucking awful. Two very shit teams playing very shit football. I can't remember the last time I saw a game with that many misplaced passes, pass that were on target were constantly miscontrolled by both sides. The only difference was one side had a bit more heart and bottle, and that won them the game.
That was a performance of a side in serious serious shit and headed for the drop, especially considering who the opposition were. For the first time this season I am doubting whether we have what it takes to stay up, because on todays performance, it didn't look like it.
You took the words out of my mouth
That kids game at half time was more entertaining
I was really looking forward to seeing makoun for the first time but he is just a french petrov. No vision no idea of what is going on around him, just like the rest of the fuckwits.
Wolves shit themselves when Pires came on
Downing doesnt work on the right
Ashley doesn't work in the hole
gaby doesnt work on the wing.
This team has relagation written all over it
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So, Monty, the tactic is working for us, is it? Whether other teams can make it a positive or not, we demonstrably can't.
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I was really looking forward to seeing makoun for the first time but he is just a french petrov. No vision no idea of what is going on around him, just like the rest of the fuckwits.
Rubbish, the pass through for Young to hit the bar was excellent. He just had no movement to pass to from Downing, who seriously underperformed, Young, likewise, Bent, likewise, and NRC, who is fine defensively but offers little when we have the ball.
So, Monty, the tactic is working for us, is it? Whether other teams can make it a positive or not, we demonstrably can't.
So don't blame the tactic. If we can't make it work maybe we're not playing well.
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I've heard two interviews now, one with Houllier and one with Downing and both have said we played well, we were unlucky and we deserved to atleast get a point, are these imbiciles walking round with there heads buried firmly up there arse's? We did'nt play well at all, Wolves were well worth there win, its spouting crap like this that winds me up almost as much as the performance, its like they don't realise just how firmly were in the shit, there's a relaxed air about them that everything will be OK when it certainly won't unless something major changes
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It was a lovely day when I left home. Managed to find a parking place as soon as I hit Upper Sutton Street. Magic I thought this is going to be a good day. Decided to take a stroll through the park. Aston Park was draped in spring sunshine. We saw many games of cricket going on as we walked along Aston Hall looking splendid through the trees. Walking down hill towards the ground felt vey confident. The only disappointment was not to see Legion selling H&V in his usual spot!
What could wrong?
A clueless team managed by a clueless Manger of course...I had forgotten!
We surrendered the FA Cup and got zilch out of two games we have played. I HATE HIM FOR RUINING MY LIFE.
The walk back was swift and awful.
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Difficult to describe just how desperate the atmosphere was today. Similarly inept as the Sunderland game but (if it's possible) with less fight. Can't remember us winning one 50/50. In fact, seeing Downing slow down to avoid competing for a loose ball made my piss boil. Not that he was alone in being less than committed.
A couple of them look like they're halfway out of the door to me and the rest know it. Not one single player was even half-way decent today. Houllier was negligent in keeping with the 4-5-1. I don't like to say it but he needs to be sacked now - it's our only chance of staying up.
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Just back from the match
I'm going for a walk before I go in to print
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Just seen Villa are 13/2 to go down, that has to be worth a punt. Should be way shorter surely...
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I walked it home to try and calm down. Didn't work.
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Houllier is fucking clueless but the players are just as much to blame. They're either shit, don't want to play for him, or both.
Ashley Young is crap and a little ******, just like i've been saying for the past 2 seasons. The most overrated player i've ever seen bar none, but not only that he's a little fanny. I actually hate him.
The problem we have now is changing the manager this late won't do any good, but if we keep him i think we'll go down. Him and the team have lost the fans, and they have no spirit, fight, grit, determination or quality. Last two games Arsenal away and Liverpool at home, we won't get any points out of those so if we aren't safe before those we're doomed.
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I have stood by Houllier up to now but I'm now beginning to fear that we don't have the fight to get out of this. He won't sack him - it's far to late to do that.
Friedel - did ok. No chance with the goal.
Walker - still one of our biggest threats but not much came off for him.
Baker-looked out of his depth to be honest.
Culler - should stay in for the rest of the season.
Herd - can hold his head up.
Reo-Coker - our only leader, baffling substitution.
Makoun - looked off the pace. Has been out for a month and it showed.
Young - petulant and ineffective. Should have scored.
Downing - only one who made anything happen.
Bent - too isolated and never threatened.
Albrighton- had no problem with him coming off as he didn't produce much but Agbonlahor should have been alongside Bent.
Delph - needed his energy in midfield.
Pires - Wolves closing down made him ineffective.
Agbonlahor - he hasn't got a future under Houllier.
Fair play to Wolves. They don't have fraction of the talent in our side but they have spirit in spades.
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It's so annoying. If we were safe we could be throwing games towards the end to make sure Small Heath go down. Saying that Wigan, West Brom and West Ham will probably beat us anyway, so it looks like we're both going.
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Just back. Still fuming. Haven't read rest of thread but I would imagine that - just like at the ground - there's lots of calls for Houllier to go. I've mainly stood by him so far but the Man City surrender dented my confidence, and the events this week both on and off the pitch have put me firmly in the 'time for him to go' camp. There is no leadership on or off the pitch and I think some of his substitutions today were pretty bizarre. I agreed with taking Baker off - frankly he was having a 'mare - but to take NRC off for Pires,and Albrighton off for Gabby (who he put on the wing) prompted me to feel he's lost the plot, and the performance from the team (after a really good bonding session!) suggests he's lost the dressing room.
We desperately needed to win that today. Wolves hadn't beaten us for over 30 years but there was just a total lack of drive, and I really don't think Houllier can instil the passion and fight we need to stay up. I am now convinced we will get relegated.
I can just hear his end of season press interview now - 'well of course it is very sad that we are no longer in the top division, but if we had to get relegated at least I am happy that it was a great club like Liverpool that sealed our feat'
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Garbage no fight no passion, I said on here we'd lose, people said I was mad, well believe it now folks, we are going to get relegated, this clown is taking us into the Championship!
Aside from his team having not one leader in it, he decided to play chris herd, a midfield player, at centre half, whilst ignoring Beye and Warnock, two experienced Premiership defenders, but no of course not, he has banished them to obscurity.
wether they are good enough or not is another matter, but he has just said in his interview that 'we lacked experience', and he has just put his own personal vendettas against two players who obviously dissagree with him, before the team, the club and the fans.
Also his substitution of Albrighton, the only player who was consistently putting crosses into the box, crosses that stopped once Agbonlahor came on.
He replaced reo-Coker, who was consistently breaking up play and getting his foot in, with Pires, leaving Makoun on, when he was today sadly off the pace.
And why did he take off Baker ? The lad must wonder whether he is coming or going, Houllier just seems to do the exact opposite of the obvious, just to make a point that he is a tactical genius, which he is not.
And what happened to him once the fans chanted 'you don't know what you're doing' ? He retreated into his dugout even further.
i have been saying since the Liverpool game (he should have gone then) that he is a dead man walking, the trouble is he's going to take us down with him.
Thank you Mr. Houllier, for ruining my week, and my love of aston Villa which i am beginning to question having supported since 1968, I don't think I've ever seen a more gutless, spineless eleven and manager since Tommy Cummings.
I am now off to get seriously pissed, thanks Gerard.
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Terrible. Can't pass to each other and just no fight.
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but comes to something when young has to tell gabby that they are swapping and he's going on the wing. (which is how it should be). I certainly didn't see the bench telling them to do it, so looks like players even think he's clueless.
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Just back. Still fuming. Haven't read rest of thread but I would imagine that - just like at the ground - there's lots of calls for Houllier to go. I've mainly stood by him so far but the Man City surrender dented my confidence, and the events this week both on and off the pitch have put me firmly in the 'time for him to go' camp. There is no leadership on or off the pitch and I think some of his substitutions today were pretty bizarre. I agreed with taking Baker off - frankly he was having a 'mare - but to take NRC off for Pires,and Albrighton off for Gabby (who he put on the wing) prompted me to feel he's lost the plot, and the performance from the team (after a really good bonding session!) suggests he's lost the dressing room.
We desperately needed to win that today. Wolves hadn't beaten us for over 30 years but there was just a total lack of drive, and I really don't think Houllier can instil the passion and fight we need to stay up. I am now convinced we will get relegated.
I can just hear his end of season press interview now - 'well of course it is very sad that we are no longer in the top division, but if we had to get relegated at least I am happy that it was a great club like Liverpool that sealed our feat'
If he takes us down he will probably say something like "I cannot understand why they making so much fuss"
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I have stood by Houllier up to now but I'm now beginning to fear that we don't have the fight to get out of this. He won't sack him - it's far to late to do that.
Friedel - did ok. No chance with the goal.
Walker - still one of our biggest threats but not much came off for him.
Baker-looked out of his depth to be honest.
Culler - should stay in for the rest of the season.
Herd - can hold his head up.
Reo-Coker - our only leader, baffling substitution.
Makoun - looked off the pace. Has been out for a month and it showed.
Young - petulant and ineffective. Should have scored.
Downing - only one who made anything happen.
Bent - too isolated and never threatened.
Albrighton- had no problem with him coming off as he didn't produce much but Agbonlahor should have been alongside Bent.
Delph - needed his energy in midfield.
Pires - Wolves closing down made him ineffective.
Agbonlahor - he hasn't got a future under Houllier.
Fair play to Wolves. They don't have fraction of the talent in our side but they have spirit in spades.
I would pretty much go along with this.
Wolves wanted the win more.
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It's so annoying. If we were safe we could be throwing games towards the end to make sure Small Heath go down. Saying that Wigan, West Brom and West Ham will probably beat us anyway, so it looks like we're both going.
Lol exactly.
If we'd won today I'd be very confident in us staying up. I'm not confident now, its the first time I'm genuinely very worried and concerned.
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Another defeat and I think we're down. Everton away...oh dear.
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Another defeat and I think we're down. Everton away...oh dear.
I think it'll go down to the last game.
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Been back and had my tea and calmed down - a little. (1) Worst display by Villa for at least a season and a half, (2) Ashley Young is still crap, (3) Villa managed to make a poor team, Wolves, actually look quite good.
P.S. What was that sub of Albrighton all about?
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There's an old saying - don't cut off your nose to spite your face -we had 2 fit international defenders on huge wages frozen out today and we we played 2 young lads out of position rather than use beye and warnock, yes they must go but while paid by Aston villa and with us in a crisis maybe should have been used.
Pride often comes before a fall mr houllier-!
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Just got back. Boooooooo.
The fact that Wolves are fucking abysmal makes it even worse. Houllier's definitely shit the bed with all of the fans now. He's the only guy I know whose substitutions make us worse. That's quite a feat of baffling ineptitude.
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I thought the Baker/Delph sub was correct at the time.
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Terrible. Can't pass to each other and just no fight.
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but comes to something when young has to tell gabby that they are swapping and he's going on the wing. (which is how it should be). I certainly didn't see the bench telling them to do it, so looks like players even think he's clueless.
I saw McAllister give the signal from the touchline.
Too late by then of course.
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There's an old saying - don't cut off your nose to spite your face -we had 2 fit international defenders on huge wages frozen out today and we we played 2 young lads out of position rather than use beye and warnock, yes they must go but while paid by Aston villa and with us in a crisis maybe should have been used.
Pride often comes before a fall mr houllier-!
I agree about Warnock, its ludicrus that one of the best young midfielders in England is playing there while Warnock is
at home walking the dog
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If that bloke were not in the way I could read the bottom. Does it say "Ils ont échoué"?
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But that's what happens when you have one up front, but four or five trying to set him up. Their central defenders hardly had to break sweat!
Yeah. You're right. Every manager at the top of the game is wrong, and you are right. Congratulations!
The problem isn't playing the system, it's the refusal to change it when it's not working. We needed to get a 2nd striker up there today and we didn't get that because he wouldn't change the formation.
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I thought the Baker/Delph sub was correct at the time.
Yes it was correct at the time.
BUT, the fact that he had to make the sub so early into the game, shows how poor his initial selection was and effectively wasted a substitution.
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I thought the Baker/Delph sub was correct at the time.
Yes it was correct at the time.
BUT, the fact that he had to make the sub so early into the game, shows how poor his initial selection was and effectively wasted a substitution.
He got it wrong & changed it. O'Neill never ever would have done that.
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But that's what happens when you have one up front, but four or five trying to set him up. Their central defenders hardly had to break sweat!
Yeah. You're right. Every manager at the top of the game is wrong, and you are right. Congratulations!
The problem isn't playing the system, it's the refusal to change it when it's not working. We needed to get a 2nd striker up there today and we didn't get that because he wouldn't change the formation.
I think it is the system he does not have the players to play in that formation and just to make things worse he plays downing on the right and marc on the left when its obvious they should be the other way round
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It is very quiet on here tonight.
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It is very quiet on here tonight.
Lots of people on suicide watch. Including me
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There's an old saying - don't cut off your nose to spite your face -we had 2 fit international defenders on huge wages frozen out today and we we played 2 young lads out of position rather than use beye and warnock, yes they must go but while paid by Aston villa and with us in a crisis maybe should have been used.
Pride often comes before a fall mr houllier-!
I agree about Warnock, its ludicrus that one of the best young midfielders in England is playing there while Warnock is
at home walking the dog
Absolutely !
See my last 100 posts
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Just got back........what a pile of shite that was.Wolves were crap, and we were'nt much better.From the kick off we were very flat and lacklustre, no drive from midfield, and no energy either.Albrighton had his worst game in a Villa shirt tbh, and i was'nt surprised he went off.I was more surprised NRC went off tbh, as Pires did nothing.
I'm afraid we have too many prett footballrs in our team, at times the triangles worked, but far to deep.Downing sums up te Villa atm to me, plays nice football, but no aggression.e need some more aggression and energy in the team.
Mangers fault?..........not sure now is the right time to get rid tbh, for me a manger needs at least 2 years, whether he will get it w have to wait and see.
Have to say it was one of the worst referreing displays i have ever seen, absolutely atrocious.
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There's an old saying - don't cut off your nose to spite your face -we had 2 fit international defenders on huge wages frozen out today and we we played 2 young lads out of position rather than use beye and warnock, yes they must go but while paid by Aston villa and with us in a crisis maybe should have been used.
Pride often comes before a fall mr houllier-!
I agree about Warnock, its ludicrus that one of the best young midfielders in England is playing there while Warnock is
at home walking the dog
Too fucking lazy to take him outside? Typical!
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Another defeat and I think we're down. Everton away...oh dear.
I think it'll go down to the last game.
West Ham away is now such an important game,the way they've picked up recently you dont think we'll get much there,they played with a lot of fight at Spurs today,something we havent had all season,under K Mac or GH. The idea that the Porn barrons lot will win and put us in the bottom three makes me sick to my stomach.
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Terrible. Can't pass to each other and just no fight.
Not sure if it's been mentioned on here but comes to something when young has to tell gabby that they are swapping and he's going on the wing. (which is how it should be). I certainly didn't see the bench telling them to do it, so looks like players even think he's clueless.
I saw McAllister give the signal from the touchline.
Too late by then of course.
I take it back then but how he can't see gabby outside doesn't work I'll never know
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If that bloke were not in the way I could read the bottom. Does it say "Ils ont échoué"?
I sit in the Upper Holte so couldn't see the banner - not sure whether it should have read 'échoué' or 'enculé' ;)
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If that bloke were not in the way I could read the bottom. Does it say "Ils ont échoué"?
I sit in the Upper Holte so couldn't see the banner - not sure whether it should have read 'échoué' or 'enculé' ;)
Dissapointed to see the banner, but felt totally in sync with it's creator post-game.
The writing at the bottom was an advertisement for a website I believe.
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Gutted Today,like most posters. i believe that having someone more inspirational
on the bench and on the training ground for the rest of the season would be of benefit. I dont know who to suggest but how about Southgate to organise defence
and Houllier to move into directors box like Allardice did. By the way i thought Young
was offside when he hit the bar
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No one will convince me Wolves have better players man-for-man than us.
So something is seriously wrong with the coaching, whether that is an inability to man-manage or an internal revolt is open to debate.
Either way there can only be one resolution.
Personally i'd wait till the end of the season and fuck Houllier off regardless of our finishing league position.
Then I'd pick up the phone and ring one of:
Guus Hiddink, David Moyes or Louis Van Gaal.
And if they say they wouldn't come.............. £5million a year should persuade them.
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Well, what a pile of wank that was. I'm going to cheer myself up by getting pissed tonight then going to Bodymoor Heath tomorrow morning to watch the U-10s in action against Everton. Should be a far more enjoyable experience than the drivel served up this afternoon.
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Talking of U-10's weren't those kids great at half time
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There are no excuses left for Houllier. It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared. He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club. If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame. Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player. We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner. I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.
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We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
Yes. And even wankers like Dunne, Collins and Warnock.
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Anyone know if RL was in attendance today to witness that tripe ?
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We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
Yes. And even wankers like Dunne, Collins and Warnock.
Indeed. So far this season Houllier has managed to completely piss and/or alienate players like Warnock, Beye, Carew, Ireland and Dunne. They can't all be shit-stirring trouble makers surely? I don't imagine the likes of Gabby and Petrov are his biggest fans either.
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Don't think randy is in the country, he is not going to sack him anyway, it would be an admission of failure.
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We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
Yes. And even wankers like Dunne, Collins and Warnock.
Indeed. So far this season Houllier has managed to completely piss and/or alienate players like Warnock, Beye, Carew, Ireland and Dunne. They can't all be shit-stirring trouble makers surely? I don't imagine the likes of Gabby and Petrov are his biggest fans either.
It's far too easy to point the finger entirely at the manager on those, though.
Dunne was a fat, unfit bastard in August. That wasn't Houllier's fault. Ireland is mental. Warnock was shite well before MON left.
There's plenty to blame him for, but that doesn't mean everything is his fault. It isn't quite as black and white as that, in my opinion.
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There are no excuses left for Houllier. It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared. He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club. If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame. Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player. We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner. I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.
Come on Risso that totally unfair mate, with hindsight its proven to be a bad appointment but remember how few options were open to us at the time?
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Sad to say risso, but I agree with most of what you say, I had backed him and can see what he was trying to do but enough is enough now- a manager who cannot motivate is no good in a relegation fight, randy needs to act now for the sake of our future.
It is not all geds fault but we simply will not survive with him at the helm - blame the players as much as the manager but sadly the manager has to carry the can ultimately.
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And how bad a decision was made.
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Just seen Villa are 13/2 to go down, that has to be worth a punt. Should be way shorter surely...
It was much better at 25/1 in November.
Foolier has to go now.
Randy, we're in last chance saloon. Fire the fool tonight. Two weeks until the next game.
Get it sorted, else it's Championshit football for us.
But not for me as I won't be coming back to see the Villa.
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There are no excuses left for Houllier. It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared. He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club. If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame. Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player. We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner. I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.
Come on Risso that totally unfair mate, with hindsight its proven to be a bad appointment but remember how few options were open to us at the time?
Its not totally unfair...........RL let MON sign all these players on stupid wages, he fell out with MON so he left, RL sold Milner and brought in Ireland and then he waited 5/6 weeks before appointing a permanent manager
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There are no excuses left for Houllier. It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared. He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club. If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame. Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player. We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner. I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.
Come on Risso that totally unfair mate, with hindsight its proven to be a bad appointment but remember how few options were open to us at the time?
Its not totally unfair...........RL let MON sign all these players on stupid wages, he fell out with MON so he left, RL sold Milner and brought in Ireland and then he waited 5/6 weeks before appointing a permanent manager
Well if thats the full weight of your critisism, all I can argue is 'you're damned if you do and you're damned if you don't'
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In Randy's defence, he can't have foreseen the public relations gaffes that Houllier has committed, thus alienating most of the fans. Enough's enough, though, and the frenchman should take the walk.
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Not long back, just a quick word..
SPINELESS TWATS.
Thank you.
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If we do find ourselves relegated and in big debt will some people still be singing randys praises? I remember ridsdale was lauded when spending the cash to chase the dream at Leeds and we all know how that turned out - are we about to be the next Leeds?
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Houlliers main problem has been his attitude towards the fans, the liverpool farce and the fa cup humiliation. Without those, he could be forgiven or trying to get the best from a bad situation, and the fans would have a bit more patience. As it is he's repeatedly shown contempt for us
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Mr Woo, you can split hairs over what has gone on, but if you were there today, you surely can see that we are going one way only. Tactically naive, weak in the tackle, and basically not up for the fight.
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We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
Yes. And even wankers like Dunne, Collins and Warnock.
Indeed. So far this season Houllier has managed to completely piss and/or alienate players like Warnock, Beye, Carew, Ireland and Dunne. They can't all be shit-stirring trouble makers surely? I don't imagine the likes of Gabby and Petrov are his biggest fans either.
It's far too easy to point the finger entirely at the manager on those, though.
Dunne was a fat, unfit bastard in August. That wasn't Houllier's fault. Ireland is mental. Warnock was shite well before MON left.
There's plenty to blame him for, but that doesn't mean everything is his fault. It isn't quite as black and white as that, in my opinion.
I agree paulie. I think the players have been a disgrace. The trouble is this manager will not change that.
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It's far too easy to point the finger entirely at the manager on those, though.
Dunne was a fat, unfit bastard in August. That wasn't Houllier's fault. Ireland is mental. Warnock was shite well before MON left.
There's plenty to blame him for, but that doesn't mean everything is his fault. It isn't quite as black and white as that, in my opinion.
Dunne's been fat and unfit all season. Warnock was shite agreed, but decent managers work with out of form players to try and bring them round. They don't just slag them off in the press, and cut all ties with them. I can accept that one or two players are bad apples, but Houllier has fallen out with too many for it to be a coincidence.
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If we do find ourselves relegated and in big debt will some people still be singing randys praises? I remember ridsdale was lauded when spending the cash to chase the dream at Leeds and we all know how that turned out - are we about to be the next Leeds?
If we do go down we're more likely to do a Leeds than a Newcastle - we'll lose our best players and effectively have a reserve team go from the reserve league to a 50 game season in the championship
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Talking of Leeds, what another great decision to renew Lichaj's loan just when we have a defensive crisis.
Another Houllier cockup in the Big Book of Houllier Cock-ups
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Mr Woo, you can split hairs over what has gone on, but if you were there today, you surely can see that we are going one way only. Tactically naive, weak in the tackle, and basically not up for the fight.
Totally agree with you there Moose, see my earlier post.
Houllier has to go - I just don't understand how people can be so critical of Lerner when the circumstances at the time left us with a 'new-manager choice' of precisely fuck-all.
It hasn't worked but how many here KNEW it wouldn't ?
In fact up until a month ago some of the big-shots on here were insisting he was a better manager than Martin O Neill.
Sorry lads, I don't think so..........
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Team battling relegation and total lack of fight yet according to radio wm we have 9 players out on loan- wouldn't some of those players be better off helping our cause?
The fonz , bannan and lichaj would all add to our options .
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Horrible day - again.
I have tried to be patient with the manager -however, I cannot see what he is trying to do - and liverpool away and man city in the cup were both monumental fuck ups.
The stories I hear from the training ground beggar belief - I can't go into details but no one will be surprised - in a nutshell, an ageing, forgetful old man with no authority and a weak training staff.
Its not too late to get rid - we have two weeks before Everton away - plenty of time for a new regime to make its mark.
Gabby is not a left midfielder - Ashley Young should play on the wing, not 'in the hole' or wherever he fucking wants - Lichaj and Bannan should not have had their loans extended.
I would have brought on Heskey today - their number 5 won everything in the air, without challenge.
There is no leader , no drive or passion from the players - I really fear for our survival.
Its been a truly dreadful season - and it wont be long before season ticket renewal time.
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If we do find ourselves relegated and in big debt will some people still be singing randys praises? I remember ridsdale was lauded when spending the cash to chase the dream at Leeds and we all know how that turned out - are we about to be the next Leeds?
If we do go down we're more likely to do a Leeds than a Newcastle - we'll lose our best players and effectively have a reserve team go from the reserve league to a 50 game season in the championship
I think if we go down we might be stuck with a few big earning players like Dunne, Warnock and Beye who no one else would touch with a barge pole. Meanwhile our young players who we want to keep the Albrightons, Bannans etc would get moves to lower premiership clubs leaving us without many good players and in a tricky situation financially. Basically the club fucked by the mismanagement of the past two managers.
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If we do find ourselves relegated and in big debt will some people still be singing randys praises? I remember ridsdale was lauded when spending the cash to chase the dream at Leeds and we all know how that turned out - are we about to be the next Leeds?
eastie thats what im scared off
i dont think people on here realise just how bad it will be if we go down
but still not everybody wants Houllier out?!?!?!?!?
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Agreed sandman , but the chairman must have sanctioned the wages on those signings and cannot be absolved from any blame.
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Agreed sandman , but the chairman must have sanctioned the wages on those signings and cannot be absolved from any blame.
We've had top 6 spending on players and wages, but it's all going to count for nowt because our owner appointed a bottom three level manager.
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that was one to win..essential..8 clubs covered by 3 points..nice.
Roll on the next stage of the torture
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Horrible day - again.
The stories I hear from the training ground beggar belief - I can't go into details but no one will be surprised - in a nutshell, an ageing, forgetful old man with no authority and a weak training staff.
Stories? Give some details or don't bother mentioning them.
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There are no excuses left for Houllier. It was an awful appointment, yet he's managed to do even worse than anybody feared. He's been abysmal, with no feel for the club and its supporters and absolutely no clue as to how to manage a modern Premier League club. If we get relegated, which is looking more and more likely as each games passes, Lerner only has himself to blame. Appointing a past it, washed up no mark as manager, then giving him £20m to spend on one player. We'd have been better spending the money attracting a proper manager and then asking him to get the best out of players like Agbonlahor and Carew.
The season has been a farce from start to finish, and I'm afraid that the problems have for a large part have been caused by the owner. I'm starting to see why Cleveland fans haven't got a good word to say about him.
Didn't think he was an awful appointment at the time, I must say. Wasn't my first choice by any means but with candidates like Curbishley, Sven and Phil Orange being touted, I think we got the best we could from a limited selection pool (why we limited it to a selection of out of contract managers is a different argument). And his previous record is not to be sniffed at.
You're right about about the 'worse than anyone could have possibly feared' bit though. That's the clincher for me. Even with pessimistic head on after we'd gobbed it in the last few minutes to Fulham away and Man U at home back in Nov, I didn't envisage 1 point above the drop zone 3 off the bottom going into April.
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They sell 6 different varieties of tea in the Lower Trinity, shocking.
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Lerner and Faulkner deserve their share of the blame for this debacle too, but notwithstanding that point, this bumbling oaf has to go, and go now. Today was a disgrace. As for who to replace him with, that is frankly a ridiculous reply - ANYONE would be better. I know perceived wisdom amongst certain members of supporters groups is to back this bumbling oaf - heaven forfend one would wish to fall from grace with the most faceless CEO of any club I can think of - surely now the paper thin defence of the man, his method and his madness has to end.
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Can we have a mid season break that covers the whole of March every year please.
God i'm fucked off with football.
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Listening to his interview on the BBC website is like fingernails scraping down a blackboard. Rarely has anybody come across as quite so completely fucking useless. What a huge, colossal chump.
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Love your last line there, absolutely on the money Risso.
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When the linesman hobbled off, all Houllier could do was fold his arms and look at the bench!
No last minute tinkering, cajouling of the players. How inept is this man. Well I wouldn't call him a man. He's doesn't fulfil that role.
Foolier is absolutely clueless!
And the less said about MuckAllister the better.
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Lerner and Bradley Branning really should have thought twice before they decided to force our arrogant former manager out; not saying they were wrong to do as such, just that they would have been far better placed had they actually done so with some forethough to his successor. To then follow that up with the will-he won't-he faffing around with McDonald further underlined their utter ineptitude.
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I felt like I was in bloody Egypt in the Holte today with all the banners and uproar etc.
Anyone know what the banner in the North Stand Upper that was up mostly pre-game said? I could make out the words Houllier but that was it.
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Message to Randy - Sorry but it's time to pull the trigger. I know you have been under pressure all season to fire this twat, from 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' onwards, and I appreciate that you wanted to give your man time, but it really is time.
If you don't we will get relegated.
So show some fucking backbone, hold your hands up, admit it isn't workking and let's get on with saving our Club from relegation - we've 8 games to go Randy.
And if anyone still thinks that this monumental prick (GH) is improving our Club then they must be totally fucking mad.
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Just had this email from a female Swedish friend of mine on Facebook. She knows very little about football but being friends with me means she hears way too much about Villa and has adopted us as her team.
"I couldn't see the game but I saw the result on here. Houllier isn't doing his job well at all is he? Seems to me, and I know I don't know much, that since he took over it's been downhill and more headlines than football?
I'm truly sorry to hear that that can happen, just not fair! Get that twat out and put someone there that knows what they are doing, I think it would be hard though to find someone doing it worse?
Villa is one of the oldest teams and one of the "founding fathers" of football, they will be back and they will kick ass."
The "I'm truly sorry" bit was she'd asked me how I was and I said fucked off with facing the fact we could be relegated.
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I was really looking forward to seeing makoun for the first time but he is just a french petrov. No vision no idea of what is going on around him, just like the rest of the fuckwits.
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That would be the "French Petrov" who threaded a perfect ball through to Ash only for him to smash the crossbar wouldn't it? That through ball was the best forward pass by a Villa player in the whole game
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I was indifferent to the appointment, but warmed to him up to I saw the team named for City. Now I want to see the back of him.
The team selection to start today wasn't that bad, although I'd question the loans for Lichaj & Lowry, although Herd did well & Baker is the unluckiest player ever. The substitutions were piss poor.
What next? The life is ebbing out of the team. I'm sick of reading bravado in the papers that 'we're not thinking of the drop'. Well, start fucking thinking about it or else we'll be down & out.
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Very very loud chants of "you don't know what you're doing" after Marc was subbed then later
"the villa is ours. Fuck off Houllier, the villa is ours"
He lost the players some time ago
He's now lost the fans
No return now for him, The Holte has spoken
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Just got back, wrong selection, wrong tactics, wrong substitutions wrong manager
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Just seen Villa are 13/2 to go down, that has to be worth a punt. Should be way shorter surely...
It was much better at 25/1 in November.
Foolier has to go now.
Randy, we're in last chance saloon. Fire the fool tonight. Two weeks until the next game.
Get it sorted, else it's Championshit football for us.
But not for me as I won't be coming back to see the Villa.
And the club can do without part time fans like you then Eric
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Just got home from the game and I agree with everything posted on this thread. The total lack of spirit was the real killer today. On that performance today I think the only unknown is in which of the three bottom positions we will finish.
Just a minor thing but what was that time-out McCarthy managed to pull with five minutes of normal time to play. The rules of football do not allow players to stop playing to take a drink. The whole thing is designed to break up the momentum of the losing side. Dowd just stood and watched them do it. Not a word of complaint from our bench that I could see but then you would not have expected it would you.
Houllier should have gone at Christmas when there was still time to secure our Premiership status. The club chickened out behind the excuse that we had to be fair to Houllier. Now we are paying the price.
I apologise if all this has been covered before but that was one of the worst games at Villa Park I have travelled to in many years. If you half closed your eyes you could see O'Leary leaning against the side of the dug out in his expensive crombie overcoat.
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before i get shot down, there is a part of me that feels for houllier - he has an old fashion view no mobiles, hard graft on the training ground, none of these days off - i think his view is your paid a shed by the club so the club will do with you what they want (PR, extra press days etc) he cuts a lonely figure at the moment none of the players buy into this and still are stepped in the MON school of thinking. i have not been anti houllier and still keep this stance but without a big clear out in the summer (all the MON boys club) and some good re - investment hollier is simply a dead man walking.
will randy put up with another "i just need a couple of signings to kick on" from another manager (25m- 30m+ to me and you..)
we are at a crossroads and from what i saw today we better have a good sat nav!
and yes today we were crap really crap.
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Houllier has been dealt a shit hand ..... a shocking injury list, ill disipline and stroppy players caused through an overly relaxed training programme, coming in at an awful time, only having the January window to deal etc etc so am minded to cut him some slack in those respects.
However on and off the pitch he has time and time again proved that he is tactically inept, lacks passion, lacks a connection with the fans and has treated the cup which this club has held in high esteem, with complete distain.
The players are clearly not putting it in for him and although i feel that it is the players to blame and its far easier to change the manager and let the feckless fooking players win than it is to root out the bad apples.
On that basis Gerald my old son, its time to take a hike !!!
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Fans like Eric have an absolute right to choose not to go wile that clown is in charge. £41 for that shit today and an afternoon wasted
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I felt like I was in bloody Egypt in the Holte today with all the banners and uproar etc.
Anyone know what the banner in the North Stand Upper that was up mostly pre-game said? I could make out the words Houllier but that was it.
Put up by a chap in a flat cap about 20 yards to my right. It said "Houlier out" and he got lot of abuse when he was displaying it.
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Just a minor thing but what was that time-out McCarthy managed to pull with five minutes of normal time to play. The rules of football do not allow players to stop playing to take a drink. The whole thing is designed to break up the momentum of the losing side. Dowd just stood and watched them do it. Not a word of complaint from our bench that I could see but then you would not have expected it would you.
It was whilst they swopped the linesman who had pulled a calf muscle
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I felt like I was in bloody Egypt in the Holte today with all the banners and uproar etc.
Anyone know what the banner in the North Stand Upper that was up mostly pre-game said? I could make out the words Houllier but that was it.
Put up by a chap in a flat cap about 20 yards to my right. It said "Houlier out" and he got lot of abuse when he was displaying it.
Got took down really early into the game, I assumed some stewards took it down like the mammoth one in the Holte?
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Re the 'time out' - I was confused at the time but it transpired that the linesman on that side had got injured or spontaneously combusted or something so they had to get another one unpacked. Nothing to do with McCarthy other than he took the opportunity to give his players a drink and a chat
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Houllier has been dealt a shit hand ..... a shocking injury list, ill disipline and stroppy players caused through an overly relaxed training programme, coming in at an awful time, only having the January window to deal etc etc so am minded to cut him some slack in those respects.
However on and off the pitch he has time and time again proved that he is tactically inept, lacks passion, lacks a connection with the fans and has treated the cup which this club has held in high esteem, with complete distain.
The players are clearly not putting it in for him and although i feel that it is the players to blame and its far easier to change the manager and let the feckless fooking players win than it is to root out the bad apples.
On that basis Gerald my old son, its time to take a hike !!!
Well said Holtemeister, pretty much sums it up for me.
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Linesman was injured - wolves players got a drink, spoke to their management and looked like they wanted to win.
Our lot, stood around, looking at the floor like they couldn't care less.
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Senior players that lack professionalism and effort - young, hungry, exciting players shipped out to other clubs.
A manager and coaching staff that appear to be unable to do anything productive (Sid Cowans aside)
A chairman/owner that dithers.
I'm looking forward to going to away trips to Preston, Bristol City and Ipswich next season.
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Just a minor thing but what was that time-out McCarthy managed to pull with five minutes of normal time to play. The rules of football do not allow players to stop playing to take a drink. The whole thing is designed to break up the momentum of the losing side. Dowd just stood and watched them do it. Not a word of complaint from our bench that I could see but then you would not have expected it would you.
It was whilst they swopped the linesman who had pulled a calf muscle
Yes it was when the linesman got injured however you really are stretching it a bit by saying anyone else could have disturbed our momentum today. We managed to do that all by ourselves.
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Thanks for that explanation lads. That makes me even angrier because McCarthy had the enthusiasm and savvy to talk to his players and lubricate them while our team who desperately needed a pep talk to try to salvage something from the game were allowed to stand about.
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Re the 'time out' - I was confused at the time but it transpired that the linesman on that side had got injured or spontaneously combusted or something so they had to get another one unpacked. Nothing to do with McCarthy other than he took the opportunity to give his players a drink and a chat
One manager was smart enough to use the time as a benefit to his side. One manager wasn't.
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Re the 'time out' - I was confused at the time but it transpired that the linesman on that side had got injured or spontaneously combusted or something so they had to get another one unpacked. Nothing to do with McCarthy other than he took the opportunity to give his players a drink and a chat
One manager was smart enough to use the time as a benefit to his side. One manager wasn't.
what would you have done?
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Re the 'time out' - I was confused at the time but it transpired that the linesman on that side had got injured or spontaneously combusted or something so they had to get another one unpacked. Nothing to do with McCarthy other than he took the opportunity to give his players a drink and a chat
One manager was smart enough to use the time as a benefit to his side. One manager wasn't.
Or one manager lacks so much rapport with his players they wouldn't listen to him anyway, so why bother relaying instructions?
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If we do find ourselves relegated and in big debt will some people still be singing randys praises? I remember ridsdale was lauded when spending the cash to chase the dream at Leeds and we all know how that turned out - are we about to be the next Leeds?
If we do go down we're more likely to do a Leeds than a Newcastle - we'll lose our best players and effectively have a reserve team go from the reserve league to a 50 game season in the championship
I think if we go down we might be stuck with a few big earning players like Dunne, Warnock and Beye who no one else would touch with a barge pole. Meanwhile our young players who we want to keep the Albrightons, Bannans etc would get moves to lower premiership clubs leaving us without many good players and in a tricky situation financially. Basically the club fucked by the mismanagement of the past two managers.
I can't see us being stuck with the likes of Dunne, he and Collins are on £50k a week (judging by their fines) and we'll be financially fucked and need to get rid of them at any price. I would hope young players like albrighton would honour their contracts and stay to help get us back up. Let's just hope we don't have to worry about it....
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I have always during the 32 years of being a die hard villa fan stuck by the team the manager and the chair, however enough is enough, injurys aside Ged has a team that is full of internationals - not just u21s or obsure nations but full England internationals. He has managed to mature them into a teams that is looking up at Stoke, Fulham...He must depart, we must keep the crop of talent we have, and we will move forward. My 6 year old shows more passion than Ged - and know that Gabby is not a winger. Cock off now
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Just got back, and am just as totally pissed off as everyone else.
A couple of things stood out for me today.
1. A total lack of leadership on the pitch. I never saw a single player gee'ing up the team, trying to get them going. There was a point, about 15 mins from the end when the lino got injured and the game stopped for a few mins. The team just stood around, looking at the floor. No one of them tried to fire their teammates up for a final push. Their body language suggests that they have given in.
2. I have no idea what Bent's strengths are.........still. Not having a pop at him particularly, but because of the total lack of chances we create, I have no idea what kind of service he thrives on. Does he like it over the top to run onto ? Crossed from the wings ? Threaded through to him ? I honestly don't know.
If anyone says we are too good to go down, they are mental.
And the statement that our saving grace is that there are worse teams than us.....I don't think so....I'm stuggling to think of one.
AYoung as captain sucks...reo-coker for all his limitations is a far better leader.
Young reminds me of the lad whose ball it is,he will take it away if he doesn't get to take all the penalties, freekicks, corners.What next throw-ins or goal kicks
Even Beezelbub noticed it and said couldn't Freidel be trusted to take a free kick deep in the Villa half.
Yes he looks to be interested just so the limelight stays on him....in open play he was far too easily dispossessed on too many attacks that broke down with him
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Is it time to do a show of hands, who wants Houlier gone, count me in
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why play in GED's own words a centre back who helps out at left back today, and then play an inexperienced utility midfelder (as per squad list) at centre back. Surely if you don't have experience plya the players in there natural position where they are comfortable.
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Is it time to do a show of hands, who wants Houlier gone, count me in
I do
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Re the 'time out' - I was confused at the time but it transpired that the linesman on that side had got injured or spontaneously combusted or something so they had to get another one unpacked. Nothing to do with McCarthy other than he took the opportunity to give his players a drink and a chat
One manager was smart enough to use the time as a benefit to his side. One manager wasn't.
what would you have done?
I would have told Gabby to go up front with Bent, put Ash on the right wing and Downing on the left wing and Pires, Makoun in the middle and gone to a 4 4 2 formation
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Linesman was injured - wolves players got a drink, spoke to their management and looked like they wanted to win.
Our lot, stood around, looking at the floor like they couldn't care less.
i have to disagree with you. friedal sat down as pointed out by 6 year old "whys brad friedal sat down?" i could not answer.
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I was really looking forward to seeing makoun for the first time but he is just a french petrov. No vision no idea of what is going on around him, just like the rest of the fuckwits.
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That would be the "French Petrov" who threaded a perfect ball through to Ash only for him to smash the crossbar wouldn't it? That through ball was the best forward pass by a Villa player in the whole game
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One pass
Whoopee fucking shit
Just go back and pop your head back in the sand if you think makoun is going to offer us anything more the more mediocraty.
Did you keep a running count on how many times he gave the ball away?
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Just seen Villa are 13/2 to go down, that has to be worth a punt. Should be way shorter surely...
It was much better at 25/1 in November.
Foolier has to go now.
Randy, we're in last chance saloon. Fire the fool tonight. Two weeks until the next game.
Get it sorted, else it's Championshit football for us.
But not for me as I won't be coming back to see the Villa.
And the club can do without part time fans like you then Eric
Hmm part time? I've had a season ticket for eighteen years. But if you think I'd put up with it in the Championship, with Foolier in charge. You've got another thing coming.
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Please don't tell me this was Wolves first away win of the season? Would be so typical...
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The Ashley in the hole does not work, yet Houlier persists with it, we were let down by our lack of attacking prowess today
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The most dreadful thing today was treatment of Baker. I believe he was substituted for performance reasons. That shows very poor judgement by the man in charge. Result is that he wasted a sub and has probably ruined the youngster forever.
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Please don't tell me this was Wolves first away win of the season? Would be so typical...
No their second. They've beaten Liverpool too.
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The most dreadful thing today was treatment of Baker. I believe he was substituted for performance reasons. That shows very poor judgement by the man in charge. Result is that he wasted a sub and has probably ruined the youngster forever.
Nothing new - Recall his treatment of Lichaj against Man City.
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Please don't tell me this was Wolves first away win of the season? Would be so typical...
Nowhere near as bad as that. It was their second away win. Mr Houllier will be pleased about that because it puts us in company with Liverpool
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I'm looking forward to going to away trips to Preston, Bristol City and Ipswich next season.
That's a bit silly - Preston are going down.
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Altho we were poor today we had 3 golden chances,the makoun header ,ash hitting the bar etc,bit unlucky today or just shite,and i agree about bent very quiet again doesn't get stuck in much ,a strange day all round with the booing and banner's .
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Absolute and utter dog shit Houllier; what have you done to my club?
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The game , The suituation . Houllier - three things
1. The game
Lets face it, one nil flattered us. That really should have been 3 or 4 we were woeful. In one way, I applaud Houllier for making a change after 20 mins as it clearly wasn't working but the bad thing - he couldn't see WHY it wasn't working. Wolves had a three man midfield, we had two that couldn't hold the ball. In the last few weeks our attacking threat has come from Walker and Delph (at LB) - today, because mid was outnumbered, Walker and Delph had to stay back. If Delph was coming on (although it should have been Pires as was proved, on five minutes and two open goals, he should have went to 3 centre midfield.
Young an utter waste of bloody time again. Bent, well you buy a goal scorer and you make him play like Emile Heskey !, not one ball was put on the floor to him anywhere near the box !
Oh sod it, I could go on and on - it was just bloody awful
2. The situation
I think we are down. We need 7 points. I cant see us getting them. We need 3 against Newc, 3 againsst Wgan and then one at either SWest Ham or West Brom - forget the rest, and if we dont get them - we are gone.
3. Houllier, I just dont know. I have heard today from a very very very reliabe source Dunne and Collins are not the only ones. Gabby is not a starter for a reason, and from what I have been told, and I am 100% that it is true, Villa are already negotiating with Newcastle. I wont say anymore. In one way, I think Houllier inherited so many issues he need a good 18 months to sort it. However, I then think he hasnt done himself any favours eith his decisions and the way he treats the fans.
So, I really dont know. However, I can understad fans chanting for him out, and I think he needs to hear it, coz all I can see is having his head in the sand thinking everything is OK - he needs to be reminded - it aint !,
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Utterly disgraceful
I think that covers it
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Two weeks ago I saw a more than decent performance at the Reebok when we
should have secured an away win and 3 valuable points -
Today we gifted a workmanlike Wolves team with their second away win, they
didn't have to excel or bust a gut to do it - they wanted it more simple as.
In between the two matches our team has had a successful team bonding exercise
which resulted in two senior players being fined two weeks wages. I wonder what
the scoreline would have been if the players hadn't bonded so well ?
Whilst I'm no expert in body language......it looks like the manager has 'lost a
significant section of the dressing room' and more disturbing several players didn't
appear to give their all for the shirt either
On a positive note Mr Houllier clearly likes the catering at Villa Park - when he
exited shortly before 7pm he was scoffing what appeared to be a cake, which
was presumably why he couldn't respond to a couple of reasonable questions from
the handful of supporters (Villa & Wolves) in the vicinity
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wernt at the game (thankfully) but from what my old chap said they were total shite!!! I really am concerned! we are in deep trouble!
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The substitutions were madness, so we are a goal down and need to score, you need the ball to score, so lets take off our midfield player that does close down and win the ball and put his best mate Uncle Bobby on to saunter around the pitch, then lets take Albrighton off who was our most creative player and put Gabby a centre forward on the wing,
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The most dreadful thing today was treatment of Baker. I believe he was substituted for performance reasons. That shows very poor judgement by the man in charge. Result is that he wasted a sub and has probably ruined the youngster forever.
what Bollocks. He made an error and changed it, nothing wrong with that.
What should he have done kept him on and let Wolves have a free hand.
nice to see the wormtongues turning their malicious mouths from Houllier to Randy. Sometimes some Villa fans make me ashamed and sick to the stomach.
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Houlier has turned out to be a remarkably bad appointment, The Chairman made a decision that he thought was in the best interest of Aston Villa, he now needs to make another one and quick
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The most dreadful thing today was treatment of Baker. I believe he was substituted for performance reasons. That shows very poor judgement by the man in charge. Result is that he wasted a sub and has probably ruined the youngster forever.
what Bollocks. He made an error and changed it, nothing wrong with that.
What should he have done kept him on and let Wolves have a free hand.
nice to see the wormtongues turning their malicious mouths from Houllier to Randy. Sometimes some Villa fans make me ashamed and sick to the stomach.
I think what aftab is trying to say is that Houllier's mistake was playing Baker in the fjrst place and leaving Delph on the bench. He realised this and had to waste a sub to correct the situation.
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Baker didn't strike me as being any worse than the others, I assumed he'd picked up a knock ?
Makoun looks out of his depth and a poor signing IMO
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But why not move a centre-half, Baker, to his normal position, and play Delph instead of Herd, from the start?
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I forgot to say that, apart from Ugo (which at least shows it may change with time) I cannot remember a player who has made a worse start to his Villa career.
Makoun looks absolutely shocking ! , in his first game people hailed his "one touch vision" we now know he panics when the ball is at his feet ! , he can't tackle (and nearly went off again today !( , he cant pass, he cant run
He is crap !
Yes, I'll give the "give him time to adjust" I know all that, but there is no denying, at the moment - HE IS CRAP !
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I think ruining the youngster forever is just about the most melodromatic thing I have seen on here for a while and there is a fair old amount to chose from.
That change took guts to admit he was wrong with the selection IMO. The latter ones, I thought Pires deserved to come on, he was instrumental in our attacking play against Blackburn, but I though he should have started and not Makoun. Makoun walking back into the side worried me, the midfield has done well without him, and in his games so far we have looked a lot less like scoring with him in the side as opposed to Delph in the middle or Pires.
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But why not move a centre-half, Baker, to his normal position, and play Delph instead of Herd, from the start?
Don't disagree Moose, thats what a competent manager would have done
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But why not move a centre-half, Baker, to his normal position, and play Delph instead of Herd, from the start?
Can't disagree with that.
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The problems were not defensively today, we just had no idea going forward and no leadership on the pitch or off it.
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Agree, but the defence again looked far from solid. Doyle had 2 ruled out and they carved us open with ease at times
Although Herd deserves some praise
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All of the young players who have come in this season have performed admirably. It's a shame the same can't be said about the so-called senior players.
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It may be his accent, his health problems, his age, without declaring where my views of Gez lie via posting here, on the whole, with a few minor blips [Liverpool away springs to mind] I've been foolishly optimistic about his managerial abilities. Substituing Albrighton today - bizarre.
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All of the young players who have come in this season have performed admirably. It's a shame the same can't be said about the so-called senior players.
You don't get much more "senior" than Pires.
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The problems were not defensively today, we just had no idea going forward and no leadership on the pitch or off it.
Young being Captain is half of the problem. I maintain the opinion that no player could possibly be inspired or lead by that over-paid, over-rated, diving little twat.
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The problems were not defensively today, we just had no idea going forward and no leadership on the pitch or off it.
Young being Captain is half of the problem. I maintain the opinion that no player could possibly be inspired or lead by that over-paid, over-rated, diving little twat.
Couldn't agree more. I'm not sure when he became a petulant, moaning little arse but he is now. Let's just make sure we get some good money for him in the summer
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Young really got me angry today, He's no leader that's for sure. Make someone captain that wants to be there
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Shit.
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A bit of boring tactical analisys.
Ben thrives on quick ball, either being played through or balls played back from behind the full back.
The way we play does not lead to that, we have 2 wingers and an overlapping full back that we play to, they cross the ball, Bent is not great in the air. With Young in the hole, he plays deep and takes a few touches before releasing the ball, to late to find Bent so the ball goes wide and we cross it and repeat. We dont have another player that can finish and we dont supply Bent.
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imo we looked beaten as soon as we took the pitch. I hope the club or preferably the manager decide to re-impose some authority and leadership this week. If we don't then its goodnight vienna
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imo we looked beaten as soon as we took the pitch. I hope the club or preferably the manager decide to re-impose some authority and leadership this week. If we don't then its goodnight vienna
I was expecting a respose at half time, we could easily have been a couple more down by then.
He then makes the substituitions and the whole ground responded as they saw Pires replace NRC then take Albrighton off and Gabby run to the left wing, a bloke near me said how come 30 odd thousand can see what he (GH) cant. GH lost the support today of that there is no doubt.
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I've got back, had a beer, watched some rugby and generally tried to forget what I've witnessed this afternoon.
But it is no good.
That was about as abject as it gets.
Back in December there were those of us who were worried about the way the club was heading and started to use the 'R' word. We were castigated for that view. Look at the injuries, we were told. Look at the run of fixtures. It will all be all right.
Well look at us now.
We need at least three wins from the next six matches to save us. Can you see that happening? I can't.
Today a team wearing Villa shirts put on the must gutless, passionless display I've seen at home for a long, long time. No pride, no desire, no spirit. Something that at least six of the teams around us have in abundance.
Houllier is a joke. Never has a manager alienated the fans and presided over such a massive reversal of fortunes. He is the worst incumbent of the Villa dugout I've ever known. And I knew the Villa under Billy McNeill.
Today, his failings in terms of team selection, tactical set-up, deployment of substitutes and motivational skills were - yet again - glaringly obvious. And that's before I even consider the fact that he threw in the towel on the FA Cup to garner zero points from the next two league games.
What Collins and Dunne did was unacceptable, but, I actually have sympathy for their assertions that the coaching is joke. Can anyone who has been today, really say that the Clairefontaine way is reaping any rewards? The currency of footballing success is victories. At this stage of the season, it doesn't matter how they are earned.
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Ashley Young came closest to scoring for us today, he didn't have a great game but the bashing of him is over the top.
Houllier could play an important role at this club, but not as manager.
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Watched the first half and never bothered with the second half. I thought it was that bad.
We are in deep trouble as we don't show enough going forward. I'm not having a go at the young defence today, after all we only conceded one, but when you can't score againt Wolves at your home patch you have problems.
I hate fucking football.
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I've got back, had a beer, watched some rugby and generally tried to forget what I've witnessed this afternoon.
But it is no good.
That was about as abject as it gets.
Back in December there were those of us who were worried about the way the club was heading and started to use the 'R' word. We were castigated for that view. Look at the injuries, we were told. Look at the run of fixtures. It will all be all right.
Well look at us now.
We need at least three wins from the next six matches to save us. Can you see that happening? I can't.
Today a team wearing Villa shirts put on the must gutless, passionless display I've seen at home for a long, long time. No pride, no desire, no spirit. Something that at least six of the teams around us have in abundance.
Houllier is a joke. Never has a manager alienated the fans and presided over such a massive reversal of fortunes. He is the worst incumbent of the Villa dugout I've ever known. And I knew the Villa under Billy McNeill.
Today, his failings in terms of team selection, tactical set-up, deployment of substitutes and motivational skills were - yet again - glaringly obvious. And that's before I even consider the fact that he threw in the towel on the FA Cup to garner zero points from the next two league games.
What Collins and Dunne did was unacceptable, but, I actually have sympathy for their assertions that the coaching is joke. Can anyone who has been today, really say that the Clairefontaine way is reaping any rewards? The currency of footballing success is victories. At this stage of the season, it doesn't matter how they are earned.
100% spot on. Everything you say is right.
I think the time has come for even the most sensible supporters to realise that we can't afford not to get rid now. He WILL take us down imo.
I just wish Randy had got shot of him after the 'The Mighty Reds YNWA' embarressment as he should have done.
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The only positive today was Chris Herd, he looks one hell of a confident player, he always wanted the ball, being a youngster that led to some scary situations but he got away with them.
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Tony, think gezz could play an important role in the catering department being french and all that ,lol
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The only positive today was Chris Herd, he looks one hell of a confident player, he always wanted the ball, being a youngster that led to some scary situations but he got away with them.
yep the boy Herd can play, i think he did well, notice he has a very good leap
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I've got back, had a beer, watched some rugby and generally tried to forget what I've witnessed this afternoon.
But it is no good.
That was about as abject as it gets.
Back in December there were those of us who were worried about the way the club was heading and started to use the 'R' word. We were castigated for that view. Look at the injuries, we were told. Look at the run of fixtures. It will all be all right.
Well look at us now.
We need at least three wins from the next six matches to save us. Can you see that happening? I can't.
Today a team wearing Villa shirts put on the must gutless, passionless display I've seen at home for a long, long time. No pride, no desire, no spirit. Something that at least six of the teams around us have in abundance.
Houllier is a joke. Never has a manager alienated the fans and presided over such a massive reversal of fortunes. He is the worst incumbent of the Villa dugout I've ever known. And I knew the Villa under Billy McNeill.
Today, his failings in terms of team selection, tactical set-up, deployment of substitutes and motivational skills were - yet again - glaringly obvious. And that's before I even consider the fact that he threw in the towel on the FA Cup to garner zero points from the next two league games.
What Collins and Dunne did was unacceptable, but, I actually have sympathy for their assertions that the coaching is joke. Can anyone who has been today, really say that the Clairefontaine way is reaping any rewards? The currency of footballing success is victories. At this stage of the season, it doesn't matter how they are earned.
The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
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Back in December there were those of us who were worried about the way the club was heading and started to use the 'R' word. We were castigated for that view.
To be fair, I remember people disagreeing. I can't recall being castigated. But you're right, the signs were all there in that Man City game.
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most villa fans have a sense of fair play, and while no-one i've met had GH even on their radar as a possible villa manager or even particulary rate him now, they do realise that a lot of his problems in the job have not been helped by the disgusting behavour of some of the players which mirror the attitude of the man who bought them
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The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
As someone who was 1 an O'Neill fan and 2, has a father and loads of relations from the part of world O'Neill hails from I will say, O'Neill quitting when he did caused maximum damage and was likely planned to do so.
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I've got back, had a beer, watched some rugby and generally tried to forget what I've witnessed this afternoon.
But it is no good.
That was about as abject as it gets.
Back in December there were those of us who were worried about the way the club was heading and started to use the 'R' word. We were castigated for that view. Look at the injuries, we were told. Look at the run of fixtures. It will all be all right.
Well look at us now.
We need at least three wins from the next six matches to save us. Can you see that happening? I can't.
Today a team wearing Villa shirts put on the must gutless, passionless display I've seen at home for a long, long time. No pride, no desire, no spirit. Something that at least six of the teams around us have in abundance.
Houllier is a joke. Never has a manager alienated the fans and presided over such a massive reversal of fortunes. He is the worst incumbent of the Villa dugout I've ever known. And I knew the Villa under Billy McNeill.
Today, his failings in terms of team selection, tactical set-up, deployment of substitutes and motivational skills were - yet again - glaringly obvious. And that's before I even consider the fact that he threw in the towel on the FA Cup to garner zero points from the next two league games.
What Collins and Dunne did was unacceptable, but, I actually have sympathy for their assertions that the coaching is joke. Can anyone who has been today, really say that the Clairefontaine way is reaping any rewards? The currency of footballing success is victories. At this stage of the season, it doesn't matter how they are earned.
The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
Persisting? They're stepping it up - apparently he's texting them telling them to play crap and get pissed.
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ah percy. you must be loving this. Still he's never coming back. ever :0)
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The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
As someone who was 1 an O'Neill fan and 2, has a father and loads of relations from the part of world O'Neill hails from I will say, O'Neill quitting when he did caused maximum damage and was likely planned to do so.
I don't see what your first two points have to do with your (difficult to believe and, even if true, increasigly irrelevant) third?
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The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
As someone who was 1 an O'Neill fan and 2, has a father and loads of relations from the part of world O'Neill hails from I will say, O'Neill quitting when he did caused maximum damage and was likely planned to do so.
I don't see what your first two points have to do with your (difficult to believe and, even if true, increasigly irrelevant) third?
O'Neill quitting when he did fucked up our season.
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ah percy. you must be loving this. Still he's never coming back. ever :0)
Greg, while O'Neill was here, you were absolutely delighted every time Villa got beat. I hate us losing, as I did then, so don't judge me by your standards. I was as desperate for GH to succeed as you were for MON to fail. Me because I love Villa, you because you said MON was aterrible manager when he was appointed and wanted to be proved right. For all your talk of the Messiah, the Blessed Martin and all that shit that only you and the other MON-haters ever called him, I only judged him on results, not personality, which I don't give a shit about.
I think it's pretty clear, given your sympathy for the hapless present incumbent and your hatred of the previous one, that you place greater emphasis on other things.
By the way, I posted as soon as MON went that if his heart wasn't in it, it's better he goes, and that he bottled a challenging situation. Therefore, I wouldn't want him back.
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The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
As someone who was 1 an O'Neill fan and 2, has a father and loads of relations from the part of world O'Neill hails from I will say, O'Neill quitting when he did caused maximum damage and was likely planned to do so.
I don't see what your first two points have to do with your (difficult to believe and, even if true, increasigly irrelevant) third?
O'Neill quitting when he did fucked up our season.
As I said, it doesn't matter where your dad is from. O'Neill leaving meant we were unlikely to challenge seriously for Europe (unless we appointed a decent replacement). The board and the board's appointment have to carry the can for our imminent relegation/avoidance of relegation.
And I say that as someone who couldn't give a fuck where anyone's dad is from.
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I've got back, had a beer, watched some rugby and generally tried to forget what I've witnessed this afternoon.
But it is no good.
That was about as abject as it gets.
Back in December there were those of us who were worried about the way the club was heading and started to use the 'R' word. We were castigated for that view. Look at the injuries, we were told. Look at the run of fixtures. It will all be all right.
Well look at us now.
We need at least three wins from the next six matches to save us. Can you see that happening? I can't.
Today a team wearing Villa shirts put on the must gutless, passionless display I've seen at home for a long, long time. No pride, no desire, no spirit. Something that at least six of the teams around us have in abundance.
Houllier is a joke. Never has a manager alienated the fans and presided over such a massive reversal of fortunes. He is the worst incumbent of the Villa dugout I've ever known. And I knew the Villa under Billy McNeill.
Today, his failings in terms of team selection, tactical set-up, deployment of substitutes and motivational skills were - yet again - glaringly obvious. And that's before I even consider the fact that he threw in the towel on the FA Cup to garner zero points from the next two league games.
What Collins and Dunne did was unacceptable, but, I actually have sympathy for their assertions that the coaching is joke. Can anyone who has been today, really say that the Clairefontaine way is reaping any rewards? The currency of footballing success is victories. At this stage of the season, it doesn't matter how they are earned.
The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
Persisting? They're stepping it up - apparently he's texting them telling them to play crap and get pissed.
Percy, don't forget that MoN could make us follow him into a burning building, so it is hardly surprising that he he is still in control of the players' fragile little minds.
The Gnasher probably monitors the brainwaves transmitted to Bodymoor Heath from his Satellite Control Centre, which he constructed to watch the games as he refuses to go to VP until Doug is no longer in control.
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The main difference between Houllier and McNeil & O'Leary is the mistifying support he maintains among those supporters who took against our previous manager, O'Neill.
Seemingly no surrender, no relegation can surpass in their disgust the 6th placed finishes he saddled us with.
Are you persisting with that boys?
As someone who was 1 an O'Neill fan and 2, has a father and loads of relations from the part of world O'Neill hails from I will say, O'Neill quitting when he did caused maximum damage and was likely planned to do so.
I don't see what your first two points have to do with your (difficult to believe and, even if true, increasigly irrelevant) third?
O'Neill quitting when he did fucked up our season.
As I said, it doesn't matter where your dad is from. O'Neill leaving meant we were unlikely to challenge seriously for Europe (unless we appointed a decent replacement). The board and the board's appointment have to carry the can for our imminent relegation/avoidance of relegation.
And I say that as someone who couldn't give a fuck where anyone's dad is from.
Once he quit I could see how vindictive and calculated that move was, if you don't want to believe that, it's upto you.
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Well as someone who was occasionally critical of MON, I'm not sure what camp I belong in.
Is it possible to think that certain elements of the MON years were unsatisfactory and prevented us from really maximizing the opportunity we had between 2008-2010 whilst at the same time being absolutely certain that GH is doing a far worse job in most key areas?
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oh bollocks.. Get Tommy Docherty back!
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Well as someone who was occasionally critical of MON, I'm not sure what camp I belong in.
Is it possible to think that certain elements of the MON years were unsatisfactory and prevented us from really maximizing the opportunity we had between 2008-2010 whilst at the same time being absolutely certain that GH is doing a far worse job in most key areas?
Kevin, it seems you're lost in that football-fan hinterland where evidence suprcedes prejudice. It's what non-football fans call, er, well nothing, they tend not to get too het up about stuff that doesn't matter, or is obvious.
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Quote from: gregnash on Today at 11:25:40 PM
ah percy. you must be loving this. Still he's never coming back. ever :0)
Greg, while O'Neill was here, you were absolutely delighted every time Villa got beat.
Nope. That was just your fantasy - you needed an enemy for MON and once you'd selected me i was capable of anything in your eyes
I hate us losing, as I did then, so don't judge me by your standards.
For all your talk of the Messiah, the Blessed Martin and all that shit that only you and the other MON-haters ever called him, I only judged him on results, not personality, which I don't give a shit about.
Really? you come over like Forum's version of Dick Dunne, harking back to the good ''ol days every 5 minutes, not realising that many who can't stand Houllier have no wish to relive MON either. I could imagine you two in a pub corner gradually getting more and more pissed and bitter before taking a chair leg to anyone who won't agree that the blessed martin knows best
I think it's pretty clear, given your sympathy for the hapless present incumbent and your hatred of the previous one, that you place greater emphasis on other things.
I have sympathy for the present encumbant yes. As for hatred for MON, it was only for his shite football until he showed his true colours last summer. Now yes, i do dislike him quite a bit, but then he's a ******.
By the way, I posted as soon as MON went that if his heart wasn't in it, it's better he goes, and that he bottled a challenging situation.
well goody for you. maybe a manager with a clubs best interests in mind would actually decide to leave when the club had a chance to pick a new manager at their leisure. Maybe if he had the present incumbant wouldn't be in charge?
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Well as someone who was occasionally critical of MON, I'm not sure what camp I belong in.
Is it possible to think that certain elements of the MON years were unsatisfactory and prevented us from really maximizing the opportunity we had between 2008-2010 whilst at the same time being absolutely certain that GH is doing a far worse job in most key areas?
That's probably the camp I'm in. I think that people who still tend to stick up for Houllier while being overly critical of managers who have done a much better job must be caught up in this weird 'cult of personality' thing that The Blessed Ged, as I believe they call him, has going for him. They're like religious freaks, they wear cardigans and shake tambourines, still convinced we'll finish fifth.
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We paid £18m for a goal machine maybe £24m if he scores so many; and we stay up..Where was he?
Are we trying to save money by going down? Do we have a £50K pw wages bill as a result? How much do Wolves pay Jervis? Not that much for sure oh forget it... two months of absolute misery to ensue to end 4th from bottom, I pray! If not well where do we go?
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Quote from: gregnash on Today at 11:25:40 PM
ah percy. you must be loving this. Still he's never coming back. ever :0)
Greg, while O'Neill was here, you were absolutely delighted every time Villa got beat.
Nope. That was just your fantasy - you needed an enemy for MON and once you'd selected me i was capable of anything in your eyes
I hate us losing, as I did then, so don't judge me by your standards.
For all your talk of the Messiah, the Blessed Martin and all that shit that only you and the other MON-haters ever called him, I only judged him on results, not personality, which I don't give a shit about.
Really? you come over like Forum's version of Dick Dunne, harking back to the good ''ol days every 5 minutes, not realising that many who can't stand Houllier have no wish to relive MON either. I could imagine you two in a pub corner gradually getting more and more pissed and bitter before taking a chair leg to anyone who won't agree that the blessed martin knows best
I think it's pretty clear, given your sympathy for the hapless present incumbent and your hatred of the previous one, that you place greater emphasis on other things.
I have sympathy for the present encumbant yes. As for hatred for MON, it was only for his shite football until he showed his true colours last summer. Now yes, i do dislike him quite a bit, but then he's a c***.
By the way, I posted as soon as MON went that if his heart wasn't in it, it's better he goes, and that he bottled a challenging situation.
well goody for you. maybe a manager with a clubs best interests in mind would actually decide to leave when the club had a chance to pick a new manager at their leisure. Maybe if he had the present incumbant wouldn't be in charge?
You hardly ever commented on a post-match thread unless we lost. You're motivation and glee when we did was obvious to everyone.
I don't hark back to the 'good old days' every five minutes, far from it. You've only been back on here five minutes, and guess what? We're only talking about MON now because you think he's running the club with Doug.
From the little I know about the circumstances, I agree with your last point.
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Again, that was just you and some of the more scary cultists. I often got accused of not commenting on a win when it was there in black and white. Pointless arguing with some of you it was so ingrained
you 2nd paragrapth just shows what i mean. I've not mentioned Doug, and i never left, just didn't post
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Re the 'time out' - I was confused at the time but it transpired that the linesman on that side had got injured or spontaneously combusted or something so they had to get another one unpacked. Nothing to do with McCarthy other than he took the opportunity to give his players a drink and a chat
One manager was smart enough to use the time as a benefit to his side. One manager wasn't.
what would you have done?
I'm not a manager. I'm not paid a fortune to know what he should do in that situation. He however, is a manager, he is paid a fortune to know what to do and i'm going to take a wild guess that things weren't going quite as he hoped. That is the time a manager earns his money. McCarthy used that time to give players drinks and instructions and whatever else he did/said. Houllier did fuck all.
Whose method do you think was more inspiring, or more likely to motivate/inspire his players?
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Mon had a plan the would keep is above Blackpool and Bolton...
Now we must scheme to stay above Leeds, Hull and Nottingham..
Get ready for the big gates Grimsby haven'r seen for 30 years
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Again, that was just you and some of the more scary cultists. I often got accused of not commenting on a win when it was there in black and white. Pointless arguing with some of you it was so ingrained
you 2nd paragrapth just shows what i mean. I've not mentioned Doug, and i never left, just didn't post
Oh, so you don't think Doug is running the club anymore? In that case I apologise, I didn't realise you'd changed your mind about that. MON still is though, right?
There you go about 'cults' again. Results, greg, that's what I care about. Aston Villa and their results. That's why, when I'm at the game (and I'm nearly always at the game whoever the manager is and despite finances not being great at the moment), I shout encouragement at the top of my voice and whisper criticism under my breath. I'd imagine you'd be the opposite if you could be bothered to go.
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bottom line is MON doesn't matter anymore in the big scheme of things Percy. I just hope you and some of the senior players realise that because if we don't pull together as a team, then whether its GH or some other mug we'll go down
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Today was awful, really awful. I see the Mirror have a story linking us with Sparky! Mark Hughes would be doing better than GH imo if he was the Villa manager. I imagine mid table- enough above the group of could be relegated but below the could be Europe next season teams. Even with a number of youngsters we have better players than half the league. Despite injuries and childish tantrums by players he would stamp a mid table Mark Hughes stamp on the team. But he is not the answer, and as the story is most likely bollocks it matters not anyway. Big Fat Sam is not the answer either.
GH has a great football vision, he is good at spotting talent but is he a Manager anymore? I have defending him. I see what he wants to do, noble as it is, get good footballers to express themselves, pass through teams, win games and build a future through young talent with the right attitude. Great, I agree, its a blue print of success.
But, if 30% of the team cannot, or will not listen. If you encounter an injury crises, twice, and you cannot get players in because you morally will not allow them back, you have 38 games (less those of K Mac) to create a revolution. And you do not have enough in reserve to cover for the bad attitude, utter twats that get God knows how many millions a year, then relegation is a real possibility. With Hughes or Sam the leadership of twats would be better. We will not win anything, we would not go down. With GH if there was no relegation he will get a team together better than those two. But we do not have the time, games are running out and the twat players are winning, we are losing.
I do not want big fat Sam, the twat money grabbing sons of Satan players, Hughes, or any other also ran solution. We have an owner that spends big & trusts in his manager.
And then there is the starting point. 'But its been sooo many months, let it go, blah blah blah', yep, MON. Thank you, you utter prick. Your team was falling apart, your team was not fit for purpose (literally), you started this ball rolling down the hill of failure. Your two, multi million pound back lines, your leaving at the worst time has resulted in a season that may or may not have the worst outcome in a generation.
So to GH. Too many problems with too many solutions in to short a space of time. We are lost, no fight but hidden talent there somewhere. Randy, grab those players, give them a history lesson, tell them what AVFC means. GH, get a new Assistant, and grab those players. I do not want to go to Portsmouth again. Too many selfish agendas, too many spoilt brats, and a Manager with the best intentions. Its not working. The only thing I know is that I do not know how to change this for the better. Apart from getting the players to play for the club, 100%, that pays them. Is that asking too much. Sadly, probably.
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GED will just go back to Montelimar, or wherever, and consider it an experience; we have a decade considering it as a mistake ...he can survive and we may too.. but only amongst the low grade shite for another season.
6th was just not good enough! N'Importe ou Ged?
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Ah c'mon support gH . He didn't say it would be easy. Wolves have won by upping their game against the top 4 (and whoever should have been there, including us), this season.
We have defensive issues... like GH not having a full roster of defenders to call upon, let alone how well they are playing, how fat they are , how interested they are, or whether they are available.
There are more games and winnable games. Let's not get defeatist when we don't have to.
Will reserve judgment for another 3 weeks. If we haven't won by then...well... I may post a rather vexed reaction.
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utterly depressing.
there was no passion in claret and blue at all.
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If we decide to seek a new manager it might be an idea to get one from one of our competitors so as to fuck them up. McLeish maybe?
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I have never been so undecided about a manager to stay or go than at the mo but when he sticks Pires on when we are desperate to score and Heskey, who can hold the ball up front if not a lot else, doesnt even get warmed up at all, i really am struggling to defend GH any more ?
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I couldn't post last night as I was well bewildered to be honest. I had a bad feeling before kick off and I was right. I have tried to defend GH but the last few weeks have highlighted a complete lack of common sense. The FA Cup team selection is now backfiring as Moscow did for O'Neill. More worryingly is the lack of team spirit and poor tactics. One striker at home is a disgrace when we need goals and points. I fear Collins and Dunne may have only been highlighting what we are all thinking that the staff are clueless. Forget style now and just win matches.
I thought how lightweight we looked as a team yesterday and then GH makes us even weaker by taking off NRC? Albrighton was the only one putting in a decent ball so why take him off? We had to put Heskey up front with Bent it was so obvious!!
The sad thing for me is that I left the stadium resigned to relegation and I am falling out of love with football. So sad.......
I never watch MOTD but prefer the Championship but never thought I would be watching us on it.
We have to make a change or we've had it.
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Sunday morning and i'm still fuming, could have done without Houllier's smirking face in the MOTD interview.
Roll on the end of the season when we can fuck him off.
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The team we saw yesterday was Houllier's Villa career in a nutshell. Gutless, heartless, demotivated, distracted, incoherent and utterly lacking in understanding of the task in hand. When you're one-nil down at home and you're in a relegation fuzz, you don't take off a winger and replace him with a striker - who then plays out on the wing. You don't take off your only combative midfielder and replace him with a man who remembers life before colour television. You don't persist with tip-tapping the ball around the edge of your own box while the opposition watches and waits for a slip-up.
There were so many things wrong with yesterday, it would be wasteful of bandwidth to list them all here. And it is yet another disastrous episode in a long, long list of catastrophes perpetrated by Le Gaffeur. This club is a shambles at the moment, and now Randy must look to safeguard his investment by taking swift and decisive action, which he should have taken weeks, if not months ago. Because this is going to get worse, of that there isn't a doubt.
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Reading through the thread and what struck me as that a lot of you are convinced that you know exactly what is wrong. To me yesterday was such an all round shambles I wouldn't know where to start. It's impossible to defend a manger who is in charge of that but I don't think sacking him now would be sensible as it would just create even more unrest. I'd rather get relegated than see that twat Allardyce doing our post match interviews.
What really worries me as that I didn't see that performance coming. We played well against Blackburn and At Bolton the performance was decent just let down by defensive mistakes but we just seemed totally lacking in ideas yesterday.
In the pub last night I said that if we stay up it will be because of other sides fucking up rather than through our own efforts. Thinking about it though that supposes that we play like that for the rest of the season, but we're not that predictable so I really can't guess what will happen.
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could have done without Houllier's smirking face in the MOTD interview.
That was infuriating. What is that fucking smirk all about ?? Also the other post about him strolling out of Villa Park last night with his gob full of cake !! He truly doesn't give a flying fuck about Villa or the fans
At least McLeish had a face like thunder after their loss at Wigan and told it as it was that they were poor and deserved fuck all from the game
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I can't remember a central midfield performance quite as incompetent as NRC and Makoun yesterday, they were truly awful, nobody wanted the ball and looked like they were hiding at times.
Defensively I can see why we'd struggle yesterday but the lack of heart further up the pitch was a disgrace.
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thought NRC did ok, Makoun was just awful
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bottom line is MON doesn't matter anymore in the big scheme of things Percy. I just hope you and some of the senior players realise that because if we don't pull together as a team, then whether its GH or some other mug we'll go down
He didn't matter to me the day after he left, you're the one still obsessing about him. I just thought he was doing a good job while he was here. You wanted him gone from his first day in the job to the last, and yet advocate keeping Houllier. I think that proves which one of us is bothered about results, and which one cares about personalities.
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If you're going to play with one forward when a goal down with 20 minutes to go then you deserve to get beat.
If 39000 people could see it then why couldn't the manager and coaching staff?
This season has lurched from one disaster to the next on and off the pitch. After the league game against Manchester City we did seem to pick up slightly,but the selection in the FA Cup game against them was indefensible.
That was the point when I decided enough was enough.
I don't actually care who manages the club now as long as it isn't Houllier. I am resigned to playing in the second division next season (I am old school 1st,2nd.3rd and 4th divisions ok?) and looking forward to going to some different grounds.
I know this is surrender type talk and it looks like I don't care about my club,but Houllier has beaten all the fight out of me now and I hate him for it.
RESIGN!
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thought NRC did ok, Makoun was just awful
I agree and therefore again poor decision by him to sub NRC when JM should have been taken off. This was the first time I have seen Makoun and I was not impressed. I am sure he can be better however probably his style suits opposition who let us play football rather than likes of Wolves. He did not have an answer to player in his face when he had the ball.
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I can't see Randy firing Ged before the end of the season, and judging by recent events I can't see how things are going to improve before the end of the season. I think we're in a car crash situation now, where the guy at the wheel has completely lost control and is just sitting back waiting for the inevitable to happen. Whether we survive this season or not, is no longer down to the manager or the players. I believe the former hasn't got the ability to manage the current crop of players, and the latter clearly don't give a monkeys. I believe survival this year is down to us, the fans. We need to make Villa Park a deafening couldren for all of our remaining games. What we need is a battle hymn. Something awesome, something inspiring. Anything that gets all of us singing together.(and not some ditty about the blose). Any ideas? Something like Jerusalem?
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NRC is playing like someone who knows he won't be here next season, he is just going through the motions. Makoun was superb against Fulham but awful yesterday. Petrov and Pires get a lot of stick on here but at least they always want the ball.
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I was disappointed with Makoun yday, but he still has a good pass on him, NRC unfortunately does'nt.
There seemed to be a lack of energy yday, no closing down, no energy, it was off the ball we were poor yday.
We did have enough decent chances yday to win the game.Having said that i would'nt disagree with GH getting rid of Dunne, Warnock, Collins etc, i still think we will need to review the situation in the summer tbh.
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NRC is playing like someone who knows he won't be here next season, he is just going through the motions. Makoun was superb against Fulham but awful yesterday. Petrov and Pires get a lot of stick on here but at least they always want the ball.
Far from it, he allowed Sidwell to run the game for long periods
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I was disappointed with Makoun yday, but he still has a good pass on him
Superb through ball to Young, which he should have buried.
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I don't think Sidwell has run a game since he was in the under 12s.
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I was disappointed with Makoun yday, but he still has a good pass on him
Superb through ball to Young, which he should have buried.
Makoun is always available for the one-two passes but unfortunately no one wanted to give it to him and move for the return. We had no drive, no passion, no guts about us yesterday. I could not believe what I was seeing.
Two things about Ashley - yet again yesterday he showed that he is not the man to play in central midfield/second striker - his ability on the ball in small spaces lets him down, and also he cannot measure a pass ( the early one through for Bent overhit again - if Makoun had played that in I bet it would have been spot on as was the one he put though for Ashley when he hit the bar), and also he is not captain material. Because he is so wrapped up with his own antics on the field he does not inspire the others. (wonder what he was doing when Dunne/Collins were having their spat?)
In fact, I think a signing who will be an on field leader will be very importatnt this summer as we don't have anyone capable of showing leadership on the field.
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One thing , If Houlier doesnt grow some bollocks and tell Young to get back on the wing or on the subs bench If he don't like it , we are in serious trouble of going down. Young will get Houlier the sack and take us down. Young getting to play where he wants , is not working , he is fooking off anyway , Houlier needs to sort this NOW!!!!
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Why the fuck is Ashley Young taking free kicks on the edge of our own 18 yard box
Madness and shows fully the lack of leadership at B6
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Hang on a minute, it's just struck me again, the sheer fucking lunacy of putting Ashley Young, a tricky winger, in the hole, and dragging Gabby, a quick striker, out on the wing. A masterstroke of ineptitude that effectively negates the strengths and effectiveness of both players. What sheer, outrageous fucking idiocy. How unutterably stupid. For that reason alone Le Gaffeur should have been sent back to France, apart from all the other innumerable cock-ups. Staggering.
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The situation we are in now hasn't suddenly transpired, we've been awful all season. As I posted the other day, the CEO should have an actonable succession plan already prepared.
We're one of the top 20 clubs in Europe in terms of annual revenue (the money we supporters put into the club), why shouldn't we be able to appoint one of the top 20 managers in Europe?
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Yesterday just showed the idiocy of Houllier, and the fans were quite right in chanting "you don't know what you're doing" because he clearly doesn't. Gabby on the wing hasn't worked all season despite Houllier persisting with playing him there, so to chuck him on there and then pretend it was a progressive move in his post-match interview was self delusion of the highest order.
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bottom line is MON doesn't matter anymore in the big scheme of things Percy. I just hope you and some of the senior players realise that because if we don't pull together as a team, then whether its GH or some other mug we'll go down
He didn't matter to me the day after he left, you're the one still obsessing about him. I just thought he was doing a good job while he was here. You wanted him gone from his first day in the job to the last, and yet advocate keeping Houllier. I think that proves which one of us is bothered about results, and which one cares about personalities.
If he didn't matter to you then why on earth are you still making this crap up? I didn't want him gone from day 1. For the record i NEVER demanded MON be sacked, even when there was the polls i voted no -check yourself but you've got such a skewered view on things i'm sure you'll accuse H & V of deleting posts
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Yesterday just showed the idiocy of Houllier, and the fans were quite right in chanting "you don't know what you're doing" because he clearly doesn't. Gabby on the wing hasn't worked all season despite Houllier persisting with playing him there, so to chuck him on there and then pretend it was a progressive move in his post-match interview was self delusion of the highest order.
His post match verdict on bringing Gabby on verged on delirium.
'We bought him on as he's a goalscorer.'
Not right out on the fucking touchline he isn't.
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Makoun looks a very good player to me, but noone appeared to be trying to get him involved in the game.
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Ever since John Carew ballooned that penalty over the bar at Newcastle, this season has stumbled along getting from bad to worse.
Like yesterday, games that we have started promisingly, with neat passing football and intelligent movement, have degenerated into desperate hoofs into the box in the last five minutes in the hope of snatching an undeserved point.
Yes, it's true that three worse teams than ours will get relegated, but isn't that always the case?. I'm getting tired of spending my afternoons at Villa Park anxiously checking the scoreboard and hoping that other teams are doing worse than us.
The loud booing and abuse at the end were drowned out by the celebrating Wolverhampton supporters and i left with "You're going down with The Albion" ringing around the ground.
Yes, like all managers, he will get the sack. The only question is, how long will it take and how painful will it be?
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we are dire...
i know we have injuries, and i know a less moronic referee might have given us a pen (which ashley young would have missed and then been on the official site talking about not hiding), but there is no fight and desire in our team...
houllier has come in and while discipline and fitness were an issue, you would think that he would have taken a less bull in a china shop approach than he has, and totally ruined any squad harmony we had, and with that, created a situation where we are in freefall and in very serious danger of going out of the division...
its not like he hasnt thought about the impact that changing too much too soon can have, when he blames o'neill for the defence for how shit we are, and how he cant change it until next season... i ask myself, how and why?
how has one of the best defences of the previous 3 seasons been turned into one of the very worst i have ever seen? and why cant the current manager of the football club do anything to change it?
its not like he hasnt come in and changed everything else, so why is it completely someone elses fault, and nothing can be done about it yet?
the man is a moron... the season a nightmare, and between o'neill and houllier, we have been put back many years of progress, and in danger of being put back decades...
not a happy man at the moment...
as for the players, i have never hated so many players who are meant to be aston villa players, as i do right now... agbonlahor coming out and waffling about not looking at being in a relegation battle, young talking about being happy being the central figure, them all talking about needing to get wins on the board, etc etc, well do something about it then you bunch of overpaid, over rated tossers... maybe if they did look at the table, they would see we ARE in a relegation battle, and the more they think we arent, the less likely chance we have of staying in the premier league... as for young, just piss off... leave and go be the "central figure" elsewhere... you are not as good as you think you are, and tbh, i am sick to death of seeing your irritating little face complaining at referees after you have fallen over think air.. that is pretty much his game these days... i really cant wait for the jumped up little shit to leave... hes not the only one who has an over inflated view of their own self importance, and hes not the only one who is shit...
so many disgusting characters in our dressing room, and so many things to dislike about my club right now...
relegation or not, i cant wait for this nightmare season to end...
oh, and fuck off houllier, you useless boggle eyed cheese eating surrender monkey...
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I was absolutley convinced Houiller was going to be sacked after we lost up at Man City 4-0 and i would'nt have been upset had it happened and i wish it had. It's a sad state of affairs when even now i'm thinking Big Sam could'nt do any worse and i detest his type of football, that's how bad it's got. I could smell relegation in the air yesterday and i did'nt like it.
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We need someone in, but it doesn't have to be the dreaded Fat Sam, there are other options.
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There was one player off the bench who would have made some difference in terms of effort, passion and a bit of skill.
But Bannan's at Leeds.
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Utter utter shit. I came back to that shower of wank bollocks?
I've defended Houllier on here but after watching that I can't see the point. It is clear he has lost the dressing room, and now he has lost about 90% of the fans I'd guess.
If he is going to stay we need to break the bank and bring Phil Thompson in beside him. If not fuck him off and bring Magath in. Tell the players they are playing for their futures and hope that's enough to keep us up. It certainly can't be any worse than keeping this muppet in charge.
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Can I just point out that Felix Magath has gone back to Wolfsburg, so that's one name you can forget about.
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Fans like Eric have an absolute right to choose not to go wile that clown is in charge. £41 for that shit today and an afternoon wasted
Absolutely, as long as he doesn't whinge next season about not being able to get tickets because he hasn't got the correct booking history. I'm sure he'll be saying then " but I've been going down the Villa for 20 years I should deserve a ticket".
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Has anyone else highlighted yet that Houllier had two weeks to set up the team knowing about the injuries in defence? Yet, he was lost tactically. Why did he prepare a makeshift defence and then sub Baker after 30 mins?In fact, the defence was not the problem. It was unlucky that Cuellar's clearance fell to the scorer, but why wasn't he being tracked by a midfielder? Gabby and Pires for Mark and NRC-inexplicable.
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i wish there was a clear candidate to take over. At least if there was randy could hold his hands up and says thanks but no thanks to GH and move on if he was so inclined. there ain't tho' and the bigging up of Sam Allardyce into some sort of messiah just shows the spot we're in
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Can I just point out that Felix Magath has gone back to Wolfsburg
That's a shame, my cats like him.
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Has anyone else highlighted yet that Houllier had two weeks to set up the team knowing about the injuries in defence?
I'm still puzzled that he didn't sort out a left back.
How he could think Clark and Baker are sufficient, is beyond me.
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I quite like 4-5-1 tbh, but Ashley is not the player to play there.As fredm said earlier, he has'nt got the pass, or the touch to play there, and he does'nt score enough from open play.
I would go back to 4-4-2 until we van get a player who can play in that hole.
By the way what did everyone think about Herd yday.For me he is a central midfielder, but playing out of position, showed a lot more commitment and endeavour than most of his supposed superiors.
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I agree, 4-4-2, get a partner in for Bent.
Young is going anyway, so let's put him back in his most effective position, on the wing.
He's the 2nd striker but he's got just 6 League goals.
Christ, what a miserable season.
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By the way what did everyone think about Herd yday.For me he is a central midfielder, but playing out of position, showed a lot more commitment and endeavour than most of his supposed superiors.
Yes, he did brilliantly in the circums. I thought Doyle would bully him, but Herd was strong and smart. By contrast, did anyone notice whether Darren Bent was in the team at all?!
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bottom line is MON doesn't matter anymore in the big scheme of things Percy. I just hope you and some of the senior players realise that because if we don't pull together as a team, then whether its GH or some other mug we'll go down
He didn't matter to me the day after he left, you're the one still obsessing about him. I just thought he was doing a good job while he was here. You wanted him gone from his first day in the job to the last, and yet advocate keeping Houllier. I think that proves which one of us is bothered about results, and which one cares about personalities.
If he didn't matter to you then why on earth are you still making this crap up? I didn't want him gone from day 1. For the record i NEVER demanded MON be sacked, even when there was the polls i voted no -check yourself but you've got such a skewered view on things i'm sure you'll accuse H & V of deleting posts
So you criticised him non-stop for four years but wanted him as manager? And I've got a skewered view.
I'm going to ignore you now. We'd all got over this shit until you came back.
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MON has to shoulder some of the blame for the way the season has panned out, but the embarrasing performaces against Man City (x2), Sundeland and Wolves are down to Le Smirk and nobody else.
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By contrast, did anyone notice whether Darren Bent was in the team at all?!
Yes.When he was denied a blatant penalty.Other than that he was given no decent service at all
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By contrast, did anyone notice whether Darren Bent was in the team at all?!
Yes.When he was denied a blatant penalty.Other than that he was given no decent service at all
He didn't put himself about much did he?
His casualness and his unwillingness to close the central defenders down was there for all to see.
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Left at half-time. Knew we wouldn't pull it back.
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bottom line is MON doesn't matter anymore in the big scheme of things Percy. I just hope you and some of the senior players realise that because if we don't pull together as a team, then whether its GH or some other mug we'll go down
He didn't matter to me the day after he left, you're the one still obsessing about him. I just thought he was doing a good job while he was here. You wanted him gone from his first day in the job to the last, and yet advocate keeping Houllier. I think that proves which one of us is bothered about results, and which one cares about personalities.
If he didn't matter to you then why on earth are you still making this crap up? I didn't want him gone from day 1. For the record i NEVER demanded MON be sacked, even when there was the polls i voted no -check yourself but you've got such a skewered view on things i'm sure you'll accuse H & V of deleting posts
So you criticised him non-stop for four years but wanted him as manager? And I've got a skewered view.
I'm going to ignore you now. We'd all got over this shit until you came back.
i've criticised every manager we've had on here including the present one. If you were as far up GH's arse as you were MON's, you'd be accusing me of wanting him out now. But that was always your problem - criticism of MON meant I wanted him sacked in your book despite reality being far different
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MON has to shoulder some of the blame for the way the season has panned out, but the embarrasing performaces against Man City (x2), Sundeland and Wolves are down to Le Smirk and nobody else.
Totally agree with all that. Howver, I would have MON back now to get us out of this shit we're in. The other teams around us have team spirit and desire, looking at y-day...we don't.
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Can I just point out that Felix Magath has gone back to Wolfsburg, so that's one name you can forget about.
Oh right, didn't realise that.
My sister sees Rafa Benitez every morning when she does the school run, maybe he's getting bored doing all that?
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Another thing that struck me, sitting rite next to the tunnel, there were loads of kids asking for autographs etc as the players came off from the pre match warm up, not one of the over paid, pri-madonna wankers stopped, they totally blanked them, were as the Wolves players were happy to stop and sign, its just all wrong
After the match my 7 year old asked if he could stay behind to try to get autographs. Of all the players we saw coming out of the ground in their fenced off area which make it easy to ignore the people that pay their wages only Robert Pires and thankfully Billy's hero Marc Albrighton had the decency to sign for the kids and a couple of strange smelling blokes in anoraks. Pires went right up in my estimation as he signed every autograph and posed for plenty of photos.
I know the team lost and all that bollocks but the captain for the day Ashley Young epitomised everything I hate about some of these overpaid primadonnas by completely ignoring the few kids that were asking for an autograph, he'll fit right in at Man Utd. Friedel, Heskey, Delph, Walker were all just as bad. The Wolves players by contrast were happy to sign and chat for anybody that asked.
As Billy said, i've got Marc Albrighton I don't care about the rest, I want to go.
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Another thing that struck me, sitting rite next to the tunnel, there were loads of kids asking for autographs etc as the players came off from the pre match warm up, not one of the over paid, pri-madonna wankers stopped, they totally blanked them, were as the Wolves players were happy to stop and sign, its just all wrong
After the match my 7 year old asked if he could stay behind to try to get autographs. Of all the players we saw coming out of the ground in their fenced off area which make it easy to ignore the people that pay their wages only Robert Pires and thankfully Billy's hero Marc Albrighton had the decency to sign for the kids and a couple of strange smelling blokes in anoraks. Pires went right up in my estimation as he signed every autograph and posed for plenty of photos.
I know the team lost and all that bollocks but the captain for the day Ashley Young epitomised everything I hate about some of these overpaid primadonnas by completely ignoring the few kids that were asking for an autograph, he'll fit right in at Man Utd. Friedel, Heskey, Delph, Walker were all just as bad. The Wolves players by contrast were happy to sign and chat for anybody that asked.
As Billy said, i've got Marc Albrighton I don't care about the rest, I want to go.
I'm glad to hear that about Albrighton and Pires, both at complete different ends of the scale in their respective careers. Good to see Pires is showing some class.
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I'm glad to hear that about Albrighton and Pires, both at complete different ends of the scale in their respective careers. Good to see Pires is showing some class.
Thought it said it all, Pires may well be past it but he's won the lot and in his day was one of the best players in the world so you almost expect some arrogance, not a bit of it, he was more than happy to stop and even thanked Billy for saying 'thankyou'! Albrighton being a Villa supporter who used to collect players autographs obviously realised what it meant to the kids hanging around to give them a few minutes of his time. He's a credit to the club and made Billy's day.
I've blotted out most of what happened during the game but thought Downing played well, Makoun was useless, Bent not much better and Ashley Young will fit in very well warming the bench at Old Trafford
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Yes, Albrighton is a credit to the club. The cousin of one of the kids I teach is his best mate and I have had a few items signed by him.
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I'm glad to hear that about Albrighton and Pires, both at complete different ends of the scale in their respective careers. Good to see Pires is showing some class.
Thought it said it all, Pires may well be past it but he's won the lot and in his day was one of the best players in the world so you almost expect some arrogance, not a bit of it, he was more than happy to stop and even thanked Billy for saying 'thankyou'! Albrighton being a Villa supporter who used to collect players autographs obviously realised what it meant to the kids hanging around to give them a few minutes of his time. He's a credit to the club and made Billy's day.
I've blotted out most of what happened during the game but thought Downing played well, Makoun was useless, Bent not much better and Ashley Young will fit in very well warming the bench at Old Trafford
It also shows that whatever people think of Pires' performances he doesn't deserve the stick he gets. He at least takes the time to show respect to the fans, and in this case give your son some nice memories Chris.
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I wouldn't want Houllier's signature, one X is very much like any other.
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Players refusing to sign a few autos for the kids
Fucking wankers
Fair play Marc and uncle bob though
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The morning after I am resigned to relegation as I can't see the team getting much out of the remaining fixtures, I know it is a defeatest attitude but whichever division we are in we need a good clear out. We were relegated 5 years after being the best team in Europe, we've come back from worse positions and we will again.
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If that bloke were not in the way I could read the bottom. Does it say "Ils ont échoué"?
I sit in the Upper Holte so couldn't see the banner - not sure whether it should have read 'échoué' or 'enculé' ;)
Or "Ils ont pas de couilles" (sic)
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Another thing that struck me, sitting rite next to the tunnel, there were loads of kids asking for autographs etc as the players came off from the pre match warm up, not one of the over paid, pri-madonna wankers stopped, they totally blanked them, were as the Wolves players were happy to stop and sign, its just all wrong
After the match my 7 year old asked if he could stay behind to try to get autographs. Of all the players we saw coming out of the ground in their fenced off area which make it easy to ignore the people that pay their wages only Robert Pires and thankfully Billy's hero Marc Albrighton had the decency to sign for the kids and a couple of strange smelling blokes in anoraks. Pires went right up in my estimation as he signed every autograph and posed for plenty of photos.
I know the team lost and all that bollocks but the captain for the day Ashley Young epitomised everything I hate about some of these overpaid primadonnas by completely ignoring the few kids that were asking for an autograph, he'll fit right in at Man Utd. Friedel, Heskey, Delph, Walker were all just as bad. The Wolves players by contrast were happy to sign and chat for anybody that asked.
As Billy said, i've got Marc Albrighton I don't care about the rest, I want to go.
I did the same after the Sunderland game earlier this season. The young lads: Albrighton, Clark, Hogg, Fonz and Bannan all came and spoke as did Friedel. Young, Gabby, Collins, Heskey and Dunne all walked out the other side away from the fans. The Sunderland players were better to be fair to them. Spinksy and Anton Ferdinand came to speak to all the people whether they were their supporters or not.
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GED will just go back to Montelimar, or wherever, and consider it an experience; we have a decade considering it as a mistake ...he can survive and we may too.. but only amongst the low grade shite for another season.
6th was just not good enough. N'Importe ou maintainant Ged? :-[
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have to say i think GH needs to go now, we do not have time to waste now, our defence is a joke, and tactically we look inept plus the players clearly do not respect him.
we need a short term man motivator just for the last 8 games, not sure who but maybe big sam, curbishly
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Seems I picked the right day to be at my Army reunion then! I didn't even know the score until Sunday afternoon and I had such a fantastic night even that didn't bother me.
It's only football after all, there are far more important things in life, honest.
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Starting to lose heart now like the players it seems, and forfeiting the FA Cup has really done us the power of good hasn't it?
Good job my youngest son is a born optimist!
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have to say i think GH needs to go now, we do not have time to waste now, our defence is a joke, and tactically we look inept plus the players clearly do not respect him.
we need a short term man motivator just for the last 8 games, not sure who but maybe big sam, curbishly
I've never been a big fan of Big Sam's style of footballbut you could never fault any of his teams for fight and commitment.
Even though it wont happen I would bring him in for the 8 games to make sure we stop up and then talk after that.
The football we currently play is shit so his style of play will be no different
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I think bringing on Heskey instead of Agbonlahor would have been my shout. Our team likes to get it in the box, but there is no target man, Bent does not play like that. fuckshitbollockstitswank