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Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: PaulTheVillan on January 06, 2011, 11:35:24 AM
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Has signed & can play v Sheffield United on Saturday. ;D
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Positive
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He can play in a cup game, is it permanent then?
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And now we are loaning Tottenham's reserve players! This is beyond the joke.
EDIT: And to think that people were debating whether or not to sign Beckham. As if he would even give us a second glance. No, this is our level, Kyle flippin Walker.
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No nothing but what i've read about this lad so what's the concensus? is he good enough to fix our right back problem?
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Slightly worried about a young lad coming into a team with no confidence or belief,especially at the back.
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He can play in a cup game, is it permanent then?
If it's a season long loan with no recall it doesn't matter if he gets cup tied surely.
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It would be unusual for them to accept him being cup tied this early in the competition.
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Slightly worried about a young lad coming into a team with no confidence or belief,especially at the back.
He has played well in a winning team all season, perhaps he'll bring in a little confidence.
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And now we are loaning Tottenham's reserve players! This is beyond the joke.
EDIT: And to think that people were debating whether or not to sign Beckham. As if he would even give us a second glance. No, this is our level, Kyle flippin Walker.
Beckham is a circus act, a has been. Kyle Walker is a very good young fullback. Who, according to many reports, could be signing permanantly at the end of the season.
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Has signed & can play v Sheffield United on Saturday. ;D
One in, good.
Another 2/3 please.
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He must be mad to sign for us but good news all the same...
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where have you seen this as there is nothing on any sites i have looked at
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And now we are loaning Tottenham's reserve players! This is beyond the joke.
EDIT: And to think that people were debating whether or not to sign Beckham. As if he would even give us a second glance. No, this is our level, Kyle flippin Walker.
Beckham is a circus act, a has been. Kyle Walker is a very good young fullback. Who, according to many reports, could be signing permanantly at the end of the season.
Well he does have Championship experience.
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Bit early for Villa to sign anyone, you sure.
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Good old 'Arry, I've always liked him.
http://tinyurl.com/3xsny8x
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I know writing players off before they've even kicked a ball is a Villa tradition, but I think 4 posts into a thread might be a new record.
Welcome to B6, Kyle.
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He's a good young player in great form and I think he'll be with us permanently. He'd better be, anyway.
Welcome to Aston Villa, Kyle (cant see or hear that name without Mrs Broflowski's voice).
We're in a bit of a sticky situation but we'll be alright. Do your best.
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Welcome Kyle(Why not on OS) to the rollercoaster that is AVFC
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Has he signed? I thought it was just a loan deal?
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My brother who is a QPR supporter really rates him and is gutted he's gone. Let's face it, he's hardly going to make us any worse so give him a chance. Kyle Walker, rather than my brother.
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We need positives and this is one. He is a top player and is in great form. Has pace and good distribution ........
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Let's give him a chance, but abit worrying if he is thrown straight into the Blues game so hopefully gets a crack at Sheffield.
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This is an honest questionwho is Kyle Walker and what position?
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This is an honest questionwho is Kyle Walker and what position?
Tottenham player was on loan for qpr now has come to us on loan til end of season.Right Back
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Walker is a promising full back who was class for Sheffield United, he signed for Spurs last year and hasn't been given a chance.
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Great! He'll save us from the shit we're currently in.
What a fucking joke.
Spurs cast-offs? No thanks? I don't want us to be a team where others let their players come to us to find out if they're good enough, and if they are they take them back.
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Walker is a promising full back who was class for Sheffield United, he signed for Spurs last year and hasn't been given a chance.
Isn't Lichaj a promising full-back?
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Walker is a promising full back who was class for Sheffield United, he signed for Spurs last year and hasn't been given a chance.
Isn't Lichaj a promising full-back?
Yes. Now we have 2.
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Walker is a promising full back who was class for Sheffield United, he signed for Spurs last year and hasn't been given a chance.
Isn't Lichaj a promising full-back?
Yes. Now we have 2.
I liked the look of Walker & Naughton when at Sheffield United. We should have signed both then, they'd be in our team already.
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I've seen nothing on any sites or heard nothing on the radio.
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Somebody posted a link to a QPR site the other day and to a man, every single fan was gutted he was leaving. If he's as good as they say, I hope we have the option to sign him permanantly in the summer.
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A young kid thrown into a team with no confidence...great move Houllier.
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Walker is a promising full back who was class for Sheffield United, he signed for Spurs last year and hasn't been given a chance.
Isn't Lichaj a promising full-back?
Yes. Now we have 2.
I may be wrong, but aren't they both right-backs? Do we need 2?
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A young kid thrown into a team with no confidence...great move Houllier.
GH won't have had time to bring him down to everyone elses confidence level then!
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Lets give the guy a chance...he's meant to have had an outstanding season thus far, even if it is in the championship. If he's costing us next to nothing and we have Luke Young injured, Warnock out of the loop, Carlos playing right back then why not?
Let's see who else comes in...maybe the main focus is on midfield and forward line. I would hope so anyway.
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He's just been interviewed by Matt Kendrick at BMH.
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if we have the chance to sign him permanently, then great, as he has a lot of talent and in that, includes pace....
if there is no purchase option, then i will be furious...
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Nothing in official site saying he's signed and sky saying we are hoping to sign him.
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Great potential.........could be a very good player.Can't be any worse than what we have at the moment.
Hope we can make this permanent.....was banging on about this kid 2 yrs ago, better prospect than Naughton, and a very good attacking FB.
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Two/three/four years ago we were moaning about the lack of right backs. Now we're moaning because we've signed one.
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no, we have borrowed one...
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Hardly sets the pulse racing, but we lack attacking ability at fullback right now. He's quick. Defensively he can't do any worse than Luke Young and especially Warnock have done this season.
At least that's a signing, reasonably early in the window. However, signing a kid from Spurs reserves on loan, is hardly a signal that we've got financial clout. Saying that, do we really want to give Houllier too much cash to spend? Part of what we spend now may constitute some of the summer budget too. Should a better manager be in charge by then, I'd like him to have enough funds to really push us back up to the top 6 again.
If we have to do just enough to avoid relegation, in order to make a better push next season, so be it. It'd be a gamble though. I think it's pretty clear that Houllier can't be our long term solution, the man's well past it.
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Mat Kendrick on Kyle Walker.
http://alturl.com/hd7bo
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Great! He'll save us from the shit we're currently in.
What a fucking joke.
Spurs cast-offs? No thanks? I don't want us to be a team where others let their players come to us to find out if they're good enough, and if they are they take them back.
I don’t think anyone expects him to be the saviour so get a grip. Unless you haven't noticed were not that great at the moment that quality players are falling over themselves to join us. He’s a good player that can offer us something that we lack in the position he plays, did you see Cuellar last night shit himself every time he got into a position to use the ball positively?
Hopefully he'll play well and there will be a clause to buy him at the end of the season if he doesn't play well nothing is lost. Give the guy a break.
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he has officially signed, as reported on the official site...
houllier describes him as "promising", so hopefully, that indicates we are looking at him for the future, as no point borrowing someone "promising" and then giving him back if he is good enough...
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Could be with us to gain premiership experience for QPR not Spurs, as they could replace us next season
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Usual Villa tradition - Stretching the shirt outside Bodymoor Heath!
(http://www.avfc.co.uk/javaImages/65/1a/0,,10265~9312869,00.jpg)
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Welcome Kyle and cheer up son, you could have smiled... oh yeah we are in the shit aren't we.
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Never heard of him.
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He looks over the fucking moon.
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Blooding Spurs' youngsters for them. Have we turned into Small Heath or something? This is the most small time stunt Villa have resorted to in donkeys years. Cheers Randy. You're dragging us down to the Championship but at least you'll be on Tottenham's Christmas card list.
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Shitting hell.
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I'm really reluctant to place any blame on Randy, because 99% of what he's done has been absolutely fantastic and there is no doubting his desire to make Aston Villa great again.
But I do question his decision not to be pro-active and remove Houllier. Otherwise he's sort of accepting the current form. Say Houllier keeps us up and finishes 17th... It snowballs and then next season 13th looks a good year. Before we know it we're midtable nobody's again.
I also wonder what Levy would do in the same position at Spurs? He'd identify the best man for the job, sack the manager and go and get the better man. Randy won't do that.
Randy deserves no criticism, and I suppose I'm happy to back him... But from where I am it looks like he's making the wrong decision.
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We know what Levy did when in our position 2 years ago, he sacked Ramos then paid Pompey 5million for Redknapp then you know what happened next.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
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We know what Levy did when in our position 2 years ago, he sacked Ramos then paid Pompey 5million for Redknapp then you know what happened next.
Precisely. Why can't we do that with Coyle, Moyes or even Hughes?
Yes, 'they might not want to leave', but I remember the drama when Redknapp walked out on Pompey. Nobody believed it. I remember my mate (a Spurs fan) telling me to lump money on it the morning of it happening, I laughed it off. It came from nowhere.
It only seems out of reach when you don't try.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Agreed. At least Lichaj is our young player, rather than Spurs's.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because our manager falls out with anyonen mess's upnor questions him.
Rumours Albrighton stood up to houllier when he was giving him and Lichaj a bollocking after man city.
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kyle who? wot a joke
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So we've got him on loan, if he's any good and we wan't him come summertime they get first dibs on Young. I know their plan!
When's Cummings going to get 20 mins or so?
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I'm happy enough. We're in the shit, he's looked a good player when I've seen him, and it's a position where we've needed his type for a long time.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Possibly, but who knows? Lichaj has done OK for me.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Possibly, but who knows?
Presumably the people who have watched both players and decided that this is a necessary signing to make.
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Good luck to him, I think there's a chance we could get him permanently because Spurs have Corluka and Hutton and neither of those are particularly old.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Possibly, but who knows?
Presumably the people who have watched both players and decided that this is a necessary signing to make.
I think there are a few other areas in which we need to make signings.
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Unfortunately when you're in a relegation battle the signings rarely set the pulse racing.
Warren Aspinall, anyone?
Callaghan and Ormondroyd?
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Possibly, but who knows?
Presumably the people who have watched both players and decided that this is a necessary signing to make.
I think there are a few other areas in which we need to make signings.
There are, but that's doesn't mean that if there's a good right-back available we shouldn't be trying to improve the side.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Possibly, but who knows?
Presumably the people who have watched both players and decided that this is a necessary signing to make.
I think there are a few other areas in which we need to make signings.
There are, but that's doesn't mean that if there's a good right-back available we shouldn't be trying to improve the side.
What, for a whole 4 months? Please don't refer to this as a signing, because it's not.
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Possibly, but who knows?
Presumably the people who have watched both players and decided that this is a necessary signing to make.
I think there are a few other areas in which we need to make signings.
There are, but that's doesn't mean that if there's a good right-back available we shouldn't be trying to improve the side.
What, for a whole 4 months? Please don't refer to this as a signing, because it's not.
At least that, and if it works well then for years afterwards.
And you're quite right, this is just a figment of our imaginations.
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Luke Young has a knee problem and may be out for some time. Cuellar is fine away from home at right back to give us solidity, but Walker is a really good player from what I have seen. I would like Gibbs on loan too. Both are better than all of what we have, and the added dimension of a fast, attacking full back is great. I hope there is a buy clause, but fear there is not. Even so, if he helps us stay up, then frankly I don't care. Good signing, and needed position.
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He's a good young player in great form and I think he'll be with us permanently. He'd better be, anyway.
Welcome to Aston Villa, Kyle (cant see or hear that name without Mrs Broflowski's voice).
We're in a bit of a sticky situation but we'll be alright. Do your best.
I agree Maz, excellent young player who could be worth quite a bit of money in the future. Why would Harry let us have him ?
£12 million and Walker for Ash Young in summer ;-@
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Possibly, but who knows?
Presumably the people who have watched both players and decided that this is a necessary signing to make.
I think there are a few other areas in which we need to make signings.
There are, but that's doesn't mean that if there's a good right-back available we shouldn't be trying to improve the side.
What, for a whole 4 months? Please don't refer to this as a signing, because it's not.
At least that, and if it works well then for years afterwards.
And you're quite right, this is just a figment of our imaginations.
Well if you consider borrowing somebody elses player for a few months as a signing you obviously went to the same school of positive spin as Doug Ellis. I'm glad you are happy with the situation.
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Well if you consider borrowing somebody elses player for a few months as a signing you obviously went to the same school of positive spin as Doug Ellis. I'm glad you are happy with the situation.
A good player has come in to help make our team better.
If you're not glad about that you clearly went to the same school of positivity as Sylvia Plath.
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I thought we were past borrowing players from our "rivals". I was wrong. We are a joke.
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Well if you consider borrowing somebody elses player for a few months as a signing you obviously went to the same school of positive spin as Doug Ellis. I'm glad you are happy with the situation.
A good player has come in to help make our team better.
If you're not glad about that you clearly went to the same school of positivity as Sylvia Plath.
I'm not really into Poetry, but i think you should go into politics, as your attempts to turn a load of bollocks into something good is quite impressive.
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Well if you consider borrowing somebody elses player for a few months as a signing you obviously went to the same school of positive spin as Doug Ellis. I'm glad you are happy with the situation.
A good player has come in to help make our team better.
If you're not glad about that you clearly went to the same school of positivity as Sylvia Plath.
I'm not really into Poetry, but i think you should go into politics, as your attempts to turn a load of bollocks into something good is quite impressive.
I'll take that as a compliment.
I'm guessing that if Walker becomes a really good player for us over the next couple of years it will still be an absolute disaster?
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It's a strange choice in my opinion, he's a promising young player and so no doubt would be good as a permanent signing for the long run, but bringing such a young and relatively inexperienced player in on a temporary loan until the end of the season in the situation we're in, seems risky. I can only assume Houllier thinks he will be more adaptable because of his age and can play the kind of style of defence he wants.
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makes you wonder how bad the finances are now. Throwing a youth player into a relegation battle doesn't sound too clever to me. We're doing too much of that already.
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Well if you consider borrowing somebody elses player for a few months as a signing you obviously went to the same school of positive spin as Doug Ellis. I'm glad you are happy with the situation.
A good player has come in to help make our team better.
If you're not glad about that you clearly went to the same school of positivity as Sylvia Plath.
I'm not really into Poetry, but i think you should go into politics, as your attempts to turn a load of bollocks into something good is quite impressive.
I'll take that as a compliment.
I'm guessing that if Walker becomes a really good player for us over the next couple of years it will still be an absolute disaster?
I've no problem with the kid personally, in truth i know little about him. My problem is with the 'loan'. I would sooner play our own players. I think there is considerably more than a fifty percent chance the kid won't be with us in a couple of years, and thats my beef. Especially when you consider that if the press are to be beleived most of the deals we are looking at are loans. Waste of time, nearly every time. Tell me of a loan that we have done in the last 20 years that was worth it? Carbone is the only one i can think of that went well, but then he left us having to replace him after the 6 months, upsetting the continuity of the team.
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This is one for the journalists to ask "are you going to sign him in the summer?" Has he got a squad number,has Omar Cummings got a squad number?
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I've no problem with the kid personally, in truth i know little about him. My problem is with the 'loan'. I would sooner play our own players. I think there is considerably more than a fifty percent chance the kid won't be with us in a couple of years, and thats my beef. Especially when you consider that if the press are to be beleived most of the deals we are looking at are loans. Waste of time, nearly every time. Tell me of a loan that we have done in the last 20 years that was worth it? Carbone is the only one i can think of that went well, but then he left us having to replace him after the 6 months, upsetting the continuity of the team.
The only person who I've seen claim to have any sort of information on the structure of the deal is that superhero chap over at the other forum who says that both Walker himself and Redknapp want the deal to become permanent. From what I've seen, a lot of what he says turns out to be nonsense but it seems a pretty big jump to just assume that he'll be with us for a few months and nothing more.
To flip your loan question on it's head, I would suggest that the loan arrangements we've had in the last few years have worked in our favour. For one I'm glad we didn't sign Bardsley or Carson on full-time contracts, much rather see if they can do the job and then get shot when we realise that they can't.
If Walker does a decent job then he'll probably stay with us. If he doesn't we choose not to sign him.
If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team or Barcelona want him to replace Dani Alves when he goes to Man City then he must have a brilliant job for us and we've stayed up with plenty to spare.
Come on chap, glass half-full. Not everything is bad news.
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I've no problem with the kid personally, in truth i know little about him. My problem is with the 'loan'. I would sooner play our own players. I think there is considerably more than a fifty percent chance the kid won't be with us in a couple of years, and thats my beef. Especially when you consider that if the press are to be beleived most of the deals we are looking at are loans. Waste of time, nearly every time. Tell me of a loan that we have done in the last 20 years that was worth it? Carbone is the only one i can think of that went well, but then he left us having to replace him after the 6 months, upsetting the continuity of the team.
The only person who I've seen claim to have any sort of information on the structure of the deal is that superhero chap over at the other forum who says that both Walker himself and Redknapp want the deal to become permanent. From what I've seen, a lot of what he says turns out to be nonsense but it seems a pretty big jump to just assume that he'll be with us for a few months and nothing more.
To flip your loan question on it's head, I would suggest that the loan arrangements we've had in the last few years have worked in our favour. For one I'm glad we didn't sign Bardsley or Carson on full-time contracts, much rather see if they can do the job and then get shot when we realise that they can't.
If Walker does a decent job then he'll probably stay with us. If he doesn't we choose not to sign him.
If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team or Barcelona want him to replace Dani Alves when he goes to Man City then he must have a brilliant job for us and we've stayed up with plenty to spare.
Come on chap, glass half-full. Not everything is bad news.
Good news for me will be if we sign 2 or 3 good players permanently by the end of the month, and have picked up 6 points and progressed in the cup. I can hope.
;)
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
hes just played in a tough championship league , in a team thats top and alot of rangers fans reckon hes been the best player .... I havent got a problem with that ..... lets just wait until the transfer window closes ..
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kyle who? wot a joke
You've not seen him play therefore it's a joke? I've never heard of half the players at other Premiership teams but they seem to be better at kicking a football than most of the jokers wearing Aston Villa shirts
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then? Mind you, I do agree that we need some short term fixes to get us through to the end of season with our PL status intact.
This is us isn't it? The Villa. From triumph to disaster one season to the next.
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If he's good enough, he's old enough. As for labelling him a spurs reserve and huffing and puffing about it, get over it. He's been at QPR all season not on the Spurs bench.
Spurs are hardly reknowned for thier tremendous youth policy, they don't develop good players they just buy them. Who knows, if he does well, fits in, we like him then he might actually actually enjoy it so much he tells Spurs he wants to join us. I doubt Appy Arry would batter an eyelid...he'll just buy another with some of the money.
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I'm not sure what to make of this one. It comes across to me as a bit pointless, but good luck to the lad, i hope he does well here.
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then? Mind you, I do agree that we need some short term fixes to get us through to the end of season with our PL status intact.
This is us isn't it? The Villa. From triumph to disaster one season to the next.
Absolutely!
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?
And if he does well and stays with us?
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?
And if he does well and stays with us?
Then bully for us. As I said, I want him to do well. You have to admit though that this is a stark insight into where we are financially. I don't want to start going on about ambition or lack thereof, but with signings like this, regardless of league position and current form, it just gives me the impression that we'll never make a big splash ever again. Its almost as if the board have accepted that we're mid-table to outside contenders for Europe at best.
Harrumph.
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the transfer window has been open 5 days , can we wait until Feb 1st before we start slagging our transfer policy off....
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?
And if he does well and stays with us?
Then bully for us. As I said, I want him to do well. You have to admit though that this is a stark insight into where we are financially. I don't want to start going on about ambition or lack thereof, but with signings like this, regardless of league position and current form, it just gives me the impression that we'll never make a big splash ever again. Its almost as if the board have accepted that we're mid-table to outside contenders for Europe at best.
Harrumph.
To me it strikes as very non-committal. Houllier clearly isn't doing the job they expected but something needs to be done. We need players to come in to play in various positions and he is the first.
So, we get a good, potentially excellent player to help the survival effort. If by some miracle we have a great end to the season and we persevere with Houllier beyond the summer then we sign Walker and the current manager's rebuilding effort continues. If we carry on our current form and just survive (or don't) then the new manager comes in and can buy him if he wants or can send him back if he doesn't want him. £3m hasn't been spent on someone else to clear out in the future.
We clearly can't bring nobody in. I don't think that anybody would be happy giving Houllier £25m to spend this January given the current circumstances.
Seems like a perfectly sensible compromise in my view.
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the transfer window has been open 5 days , can we wait until Feb 1st before we start slagging our transfer policy off....
I know what with Cummings and walker on loan it's a sparkling start.
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If all we get in January is a few youth players on loan then we are buggered. Whatever blame you can point at GH with regards to getting the best out of the existing players there's at least 2 or 3 positions that need major investment now.
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It's early on Greg. I'm sure the 'bigger' names will take a little longer to get hold of. I'm sure everyone is working around the clock to improve the current situation.
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Welcome to Villa Kyle and good luck for the rest of the season.
I couldn't care less if he's a Spurs, Small Heath or Henshaw's School for the Blind player; if he improves the team/squad then he is worth a chance - even for 4 months
He can't be any worse than Young/Lichaj or Cuellar have been in that position this season can he? He might even keep us up!
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I hope so paul.
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I hope so paul.
We're all hoping.
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If this is with view to a permanent deal then it's an excellent move. I've seen him play a few times in the past few years and he's impressed me. With Habib Who and an aging Luke Young we need another right back. Let him and Lichaj fight it out.
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I thought we were past borrowing players from our "rivals". I was wrong. We are a joke.
If Spurs were our rivals I would be delighted, unfortunately our rivals are, Wolves, Wigan, West Ham, Boggies, Noses and Fulham.
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If this is with view to a permanent deal then it's an excellent move. I've seen him play a few times in the past few years and he's impressed me. With Habib Who and an aging Luke Young we need another right back. Let him and Lichaj fight it out.
Well said. Kyle Walker's not really going to make a substantial difference to us but we've had a weakness at RB for a couple of seasons so we need to look at that. I can't see Beye and Young at VP next season so Walker's got a chance of winning a permanent deal, I'd have thought. He's a good young player not getting a look in at Spurs... as well as short term, fire-fighting type signings it seems GH is looking at building a team longer term too.
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I think most clubs will be after loan signings in Jan, It makes sense to me, If he's shit send him back rather than paying money for him now?? Scott carson anyone?
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I think most clubs will be after loan signings in Jan, It makes sense to me, If he's shit send him back rather than paying money for him now?? Scott carson anyone?
The world's first goalkeeping hologram. That was a fucking bullet dodged.
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I think most clubs will be after loan signings in Jan, It makes sense to me, If he's shit send him back rather than paying money for him now?? Scott carson anyone?
The world's first goalkeeping hologram. That was a fucking bullet dodged.
Changed overnight after the Croatia debacle.
Very poor goalkeeper now.
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January is notoriously difficult to do business, all the best managers say so, including the best this country has ever seen in Ferguson. Now if we can find some good loan deals that are going to help us out of this mess we're in then what's the problem? I'd prefer that than just putting someone on a 4 year contract even though you're not 100% sure about them.
We need a midfielder, a left back and a striker minimum. If these are players that are going to improve us for years to come then brilliant, but if they're going to be short term fixes until the summer, helping us stay in this league then so be it.
Kyle Walker is a very good player.
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Whoopee doo
I was dreaming about us signing a fullback from the fizzy pop
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?
And if he does well and stays with us?
Then bully for us. As I said, I want him to do well. You have to admit though that this is a stark insight into where we are financially. I don't want to start going on about ambition or lack thereof, but with signings like this, regardless of league position and current form, it just gives me the impression that we'll never make a big splash ever again. Its almost as if the board have accepted that we're mid-table to outside contenders for Europe at best.
Harrumph.
So your policy would be to spend on names like Ronaldinho and Tevez then ?
Mon spent 180 million and bought a squad which he was so confident in he ran from it at the first chance, didn't work for him yet you want a bloke you don't rate to spend big?
Excuse me but that sounds a wee bit silly.
We have needed a real right back for several seasons, and this one is a proven player in form. Perhaps if he'd cost 9 mill from Leeds and never played a serious game you'd love him.
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Far be it from me to question the integrity of your posts Malcolm, but £180 million? Could you just provide a quick breakdown of that figure?
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Welcome Kyle.
Would far rather a good exciting player with first team experience and a point to prove. Than an ageing, so-called big name who has sat on a bench for 12 months and is only interested in sitting out his last 3 years on a large contract. We all wanted signings that would improve us in the short term with potential in the long term what's to say Kyle doesn't fit that description?
Wonder if Bolton whinged like some on here when they bought "MON reject" Cahil?
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Walker or Beye , no fooking brainer .....
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Why should this new signing play against Sheffield United ahead of Lichaj?
Because he might be a better player?
And Lichaj's last outing wasn't without it's problems.
Bith harsh considering he'd played nicely up until then. A the whole team was shit, you can't single him out.
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I'd play him.
We've seen 2 games of Lichaj, one good, one bad.
Let's give this kid a chance & go from there.
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Far be it from me to question the integrity of your posts Malcolm, but £180 million? Could you just provide a quick breakdown of that figure?
I wouldn't bother waiting for a response Lee.
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All I know from the last game is that we were playing our best 2 CB as fullbacks, so bringing in a specialist FB with a point to prove seems like a smart move to me. Get another one in, Ged, and then move Cuellar and Clark into the middle where they belong!
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Far be it from me to question the integrity of your posts Malcolm, but £180 million? Could you just provide a quick breakdown of that figure?
I wouldn't bother waiting for a response Lee.
I think it's near about £120m spent.
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?
And if he does well and stays with us?
Then bully for us. As I said, I want him to do well. You have to admit though that this is a stark insight into where we are financially. I don't want to start going on about ambition or lack thereof, but with signings like this, regardless of league position and current form, it just gives me the impression that we'll never make a big splash ever again. Its almost as if the board have accepted that we're mid-table to outside contenders for Europe at best.
Harrumph.
So your policy would be to spend on names like Ronaldinho and Tevez then ?
Mon spent 180 million and bought a squad which he was so confident in he ran from it at the first chance, didn't work for him yet you want a bloke you don't rate to spend big?
Excuse me but that sounds a wee bit silly.
We have needed a real right back for several seasons, and this one is a proven player in form. Perhaps if he'd cost 9 mill from Leeds and never played a serious game you'd love him.
Er, didn't you just make all of that up and then say it sounded silly? Where have I said that I don't rate Houllier? Where have I said that we should be spending oodles of cash? I'm just disappointed that loan signings seem to be where we're at. What's wrong with that?
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Don't bother Stu, you're dealing with a very confused man there.
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If he does such an astonishing job that either Spurs want to put him straight into their first team
I think that is the issue with a lot of people right there. From challenging for a top four place with Spurs last season to testing out their young players for them in one season seems like an alarming slump in ambition, seemingly from the top down. I want him to be a success obviously but bloody hell, a Spurs loanee with only two Prem games to his name?
It is what it is though Stu, and do we refuse deals like this on the basis of pride, or do we do what needs to be done to sort out our mess?
Of course, but say if he goes back to Spurs in the summer, what then?
And if he does well and stays with us?
Then bully for us. As I said, I want him to do well. You have to admit though that this is a stark insight into where we are financially. I don't want to start going on about ambition or lack thereof, but with signings like this, regardless of league position and current form, it just gives me the impression that we'll never make a big splash ever again. Its almost as if the board have accepted that we're mid-table to outside contenders for Europe at best.
Harrumph.
So your policy would be to spend on names like Ronaldinho and Tevez then ?
Mon spent 180 million and bought a squad which he was so confident in he ran from it at the first chance, didn't work for him yet you want a bloke you don't rate to spend big?
Excuse me but that sounds a wee bit silly.
We have needed a real right back for several seasons, and this one is a proven player in form. Perhaps if he'd cost 9 mill from Leeds and never played a serious game you'd love him.
There is something fundamentally wrong with you, and in this case your calculator also.
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Not really. You calculate the buys and the wages of those buys (71 million a season) then MON has cost the club way more that the 200 million mark over the life of their contracts. For that we have about the most average set of highly paid players you will ever see, with the least amount of technical ability or creativity.
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Not really. You calculate the buys and the wages of those buys (71 million a season) then MON has cost the club way more that the 200 million mark over the life of their contracts. For that we have about the most average set of highly paid players you will ever see, with the least amount of technical ability or creativity.
Its become a recent phenominon of including wages over the course of the contract as total spent on players, something Doug Ellis started a few years back. Its used to suit a particular argument. The club should ensure that the balance sheet shows that monthly incomes are suitably more than the outgoing including wages, and if they have not done that then something is wrong. Money spent on players in my book is what it always used to be, transfer fees. I get it to approx £70m or £17.5m per season. In fairness, for me the whole club are to blame for the stupid wages we have paid to mediocre players.
Going back to Walker, i see he's banging on about his Sheff Utd supporting days on the official site. Do we think he will be fondling the opposing players in the tunnel before the game or blowing kisses to the kop end as he runs onto the pitch, or will he show a bit more respect to his current (temporary) employers?
;)
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Not really. You calculate the buys and the wages of those buys (71 million a season) then MON has cost the club way more that the 200 million mark over the life of their contracts. For that we have about the most average set of highly paid players you will ever see, with the least amount of technical ability or creativity.
Its become a recent phenominon of including wages over the course of the contract as total spent on players, something Doug Ellis started a few years back. Its used to suit a particular argument. The club should ensure that the balance sheet shows that monthly incomes are suitably more than the outgoing including wages, and if they have not done that then something is wrong. Money spent on players in my book is what it always used to be, transfer fees. I get it to approx £70m or £17.5m per season. In fairness, for me the whole club are to blame for the stupid wages we have paid to mediocre players.
And whether Mrs Overall is counting wages or not, his calculations are still massively flawed.
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All I know from the last game is that we were playing our best 2 CB as fullbacks, so bringing in a specialist FB with a point to prove seems like a smart move to me. Get another one in, Ged, and then move Cuellar and Clark into the middle where they belong!
...is exactly what i'd do. Bridge would fit in quite nicely.
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Not really. You calculate the buys and the wages of those buys (71 million a season) then MON has cost the club way more that the 200 million mark over the life of their contracts. For that we have about the most average set of highly paid players you will ever see, with the least amount of technical ability or creativity.
Its become a recent phenominon of including wages over the course of the contract as total spent on players, something Doug Ellis started a few years back. Its used to suit a particular argument. The club should ensure that the balance sheet shows that monthly incomes are suitably more than the outgoing including wages, and if they have not done that then something is wrong. Money spent on players in my book is what it always used to be, transfer fees. I get it to approx £70m or £17.5m per season. In fairness, for me the whole club are to blame for the stupid wages we have paid to mediocre players.
And whether Mrs Overall is counting wages or not, his calculations are still massively flawed.
Quite. The point is as well, you would have to pay wages to someone, so if we get picky should we take the average wage for a premier league club and compare it to ours. And then do we look at our level of success vs the extra to the average that we have paid, and see if we got value for money?
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Brilliant performance from him, let's enjoy him while we have him and hopefully you never know we may keep him.
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
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Impressive start.
Keep that up and I really hope we have a clause to convert him into a permanent signing as Spurs will do anything to keep him if we don't.
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
Wow u know that from one game versus a team that are 21st in the Championship........We need to wait before saying how good he is or isnt
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His goal today (http://www.101greatgoals.com/videodisplay/kyle-walker-sheffield-united-8101215/)
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
Wow u know that from one game versus a team that are 21st in the Championship........We need to wait before saying how good he is or isnt
He's been performing like that every week for QPR.
Warnock was desperate to keep him.
Give the lad some credit.
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Great début.
Can we play him every week.
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I will if he plays like that for the next 5 premiership games he plays, lets see how good he is v Man City, etc shall we before "proclaiming" he is the best right back in England
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Greta début.
Can we play him every week.
Yes if the manager picks him, I presume he couldnt have played v Spurs but both those games have gone.....He would need permission to play v Spurs if we get drawn against them in any future rounds of the cup
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Indeed. One game against Sheff Utd a great player doesn't maketh.
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I will if he plays like that for the next 5 premiership games he plays, lets see how good he is v Man City, etc shall we before "proclaiming" he is the best right back in England
Who said he was the best right back in England?
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What annoys me about this is that we should have signed this player a couple of years ago when we were on the up and signing the likes of Delph. I can definitely understand the frustration, but I think the strategy just has to be to do what is necessary to survive in the league, and maybe even turn a few heads between now and the end of the season, but at least get to the Summer as a PL club and then make the changes necessary to really compete at the top end again. Maybe we can then sign the next Walker and continue our strategy of buying top young players and melding them with good quality experienced campaigners. If we can keep doing this and modify our style to a more passing game then there are potential rewards there for us...
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Indeed. One game against Sheff Utd a great player doesn't maketh.
No one has said it does..............eth.
Just commenting on a great performance today.
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
You said he was better than Glen Johnson who is the current England right back
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I will if he plays like that for the next 5 premiership games he plays, lets see how good he is v Man City, etc shall we before "proclaiming" he is the best right back in England
Who said he was the best right back in England?
Mark, sorry Rip, you know how it works. Houllier signed him and it is now against the law to say anything that might reflect positively on him.
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
You said he was better than Glen Johnson who is the current England right back
Glen Johnson is shit, though.
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
You said he was better than Glen Johnson who is the current England right back
Glen Johnson is shit, though.
agreed
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
You said he was better than Glen Johnson who is the current England right back
Better defensive qualities that i've seen in 2 QPR games and one for us.
Then again, most right backs can defend better than Johnson, Johnson's excellent overlapping makes him number 1. To my eyes, Johnson has always essentialy been a winger that does a bit of defending.
Should he be selected ahead of Johnson for England?
Obviously not, but there is great potential there
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
You said he was better than Glen Johnson who is the current England right back
Glen Johnson is shit, though.
If he was a Villa player, i'd convert him into a winger.
He's never a right back.
Much like Bale when they had him at left back.
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I will if he plays like that for the next 5 premiership games he plays, lets see how good he is v Man City, etc shall we before "proclaiming" he is the best right back in England
Who said he was the best right back in England?
Mark, sorry Rip, you know how it works. Houllier signed him and it is now against the law to say anything that might reflect positively on him.
Although if he had a shocker today, I'm betting there would have been plenty of "told you so" quotes on here today. The lad looks promising.
I remember speaking to a coach and manager and they always said that the better teams have quick, overlapping full backs. Not easy to come by but they will cause problems to other teams, create so much space for others, pull players out of position etc. Hopefully, Walker can do that for us.
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
You said he was better than Glen Johnson who is the current England right back
Glen Johnson is shit, though.
If he was a Villa player, i'd convert him into a winger.
He's never a right back.
Much like Bale when they had him at left back.
Yes, same here.
I'm amazed no one (other than I think Paul Hart at Pompey) has tried it.
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I will if he plays like that for the next 5 premiership games he plays, lets see how good he is v Man City, etc shall we before "proclaiming" he is the best right back in England
With respect, no-one's proclaiming that.
Better than Luke Young by a mile on today's showing though.
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kyle who? wot a joke
I love it.........
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He attacks like Glen Johnson but has much better defensive qualities.
You said he was better than Glen Johnson who is the current England right back
Better defensive qualities that i've seen in 2 QPR games and one for us.
Then again, most right backs can defend better than Johnson, Johnson's excellent overlapping makes him number 1. To my eyes, Johnson has always essentialy been a winger that does a bit of defending.
Should he be selected ahead of Johnson for England?
Obviously not, but there is great potential there
I agree with all of that and im sorry for getting stroppy, if you have seen him 3 times then thats enough games in order
to get a perspective and as u said earlier if Warnock rates him
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He had a great game today and great goal
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I will if he plays like that for the next 5 premiership games he plays, lets see how good he is v Man City, etc shall we before "proclaiming" he is the best right back in England
Who said he was the best right back in England?
Mark, sorry Rip, you know how it works. Houllier signed him and it is now against the law to say anything that might reflect positively on him.
Although if he had a shocker today, I'm betting there would have been plenty of "told you so" quotes on here today.
Instead we have a lot of people looking like idiots for dismissing a player they'd never seen play or bothered to read the views of (top of the table) QPR fans who to a man rated him highly and were gutted to see him leave.
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I just hope there is a facility to sign him on a long term deal, as I fear SPurs will be waching and thinking he is better than what they have there by the look of him. Should have just bloomin bought him when he was at Sheffield.
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With respect, no-one's proclaiming that.
Better than Luke Young by a mile on today's showing though.
How often does Young play against a team looking likely to get relegated from the league below us?
I'm not writing Walker off, I hope he's as good on here seem to think he is, but Sheffield United are shit, him doing well against them isn't proof of anything.
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I've just seen his goal and it was a very good goal, great run with a nice composed finish and he had an assist for Petrov's goal. I agree that he has to be seen against PL opposition but it was a great start and I hope he kicks on and makes the shirt his own.
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I just hope there is a facility to sign him on a long term deal, as I fear SPurs will be waching and thinking he is better than what they have there by the look of him. Should have just bloomin bought him when he was at Sheffield.
If there is a chance of signing this lad, the right side of our team for the next number years would be very talented indeed.
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Good debut, but we need to remember it was against opposition who play at the same level that he has been playing against week-in, week-out for QPR. Let's judge him after he's had the Man City forward line running at him in a few weeks time...
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He seems a good player, but what does upset me is that he is on loan from Tottenham, that means that Spurs don't consider us as competitors for them but as a small team. . .
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He seems a good player, but what does upset me is that he is on loan from Tottenham, that means that Spurs don't consider us as competitors for them but as a small team. . .
To be honest at the moment we aren't competitors to them, but then again two years ago they weren't to us. So things change quickly if we do things right, one thing would be signing Kyle Walker if we can.
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so a bloke scores on his debut and makes a great run to set up another and from all reports has a decent game which helps us avoid a potential banana skin, we are through to the next round of the FA cup.
and we seem unable to feel good about this FCOL
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have we agreed a fee for him?
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One of the best Villa debuts I've seen, looked very composed, confident going forward and knows how to tackle. Let's hope he signs permanently.
Seems when Spurs bought him and Naughton they only id it to stop anyone else buying them.
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I just hope we get the chance to sign him on a permanent basis.
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In a season of unrelenting shitness and largely justified misery, it'd be nice to take this as it was for now - a very promising debut from a young full back.
All this boo hoo we're developing Spurs' players for them is nonsense. We're 18th in the league for fuck's sake. I'd develop Small Heath's players for them if it meant we got out of the relegation places.
And as for the person who posted OMG IT WASNT EVEN HOULLIER WHO SIGNED HIM, THE SCOUTS MADE HIM TAKE HIM - that's the most idiotic, fuckwitted comment I've seen on here for a very long time.
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In a season of unrelenting shitness and largely justified misery, it'd be nice to take this as it was for now - a very promising debut from a young full back.
All this boo hoo we're developing Spurs' players for them is nonsense. We're 18th in the league for fuck's sake. I'd develop Small Heath's players for them if it meant we got out of the relegation places.
And as for the person who posted OMG IT WASNT EVEN HOULLIER WHO SIGNED HIM, THE SCOUTS MADE HIM TAKE HIM - that's the most idiotic, fuckwitted comment I've seen on here for a very long time.
Completely agree on both points of that post.
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I don't want to be a grump but lets see how he plays in the next ten games before we clamour to sign him. He played well today and looks the dogs but we have had debutants play well and then disappear later on. <cough> Petrov, Warnock <cough>
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he was excellent going forward but if, next sunday, he gives the ball away like he did twice today and tries to dribble past the opposition when he's nearer to his own box than the halfway line, then he's gonna drop us in it.
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Lovely first goal and started the attack for our 3rd. It's gonna be hilarious watching him tear Agent Ridgewell another one.
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It was a very good debut. He won't have had much time to train and get to know his new team mates, so it was nice to see him slot in well. He'll have harder games of course, but you can't ask for much more than a goal and a decent performance from a debutant who has been been playing Championship football.
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In a season of unrelenting shitness and largely justified misery, it'd be nice to take this as it was for now - a very promising debut from a young full back.
All this boo hoo we're developing Spurs' players for them is nonsense. We're 18th in the league for fuck's sake. I'd develop Small Heath's players for them if it meant we got out of the relegation places.
And as for the person who posted OMG IT WASNT EVEN HOULLIER WHO SIGNED HIM, THE SCOUTS MADE HIM TAKE HIM - that's the most idiotic, fuckwitted comment I've seen on here for a very long time.
I'll give you one guess as to who that was. It isn't a trick question either.
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Excellent debut. Well done Houllier. Now keep the quality coming in ..............
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Only saw ITV highlights but looked great. Very quick, skillful and composed. If he continues like that, will Spurs give him up? I doubt it, and how gaulling would that be?
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Not that I've seen anything of him before yesterday, really, but I was surprised at how tall he is - I think I may have confused him with Naughton? Anyway, a good debut, and a good game for him to get up to speed and learn a bit of something about his team-mates in a competitive match.
Good luck to him, I reckon.
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Has anyone seen a reliable link to whether we have a buy clause in the loan deal? Or is that just wishful thinking?
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And now we are loaning Tottenham's reserve players! This is beyond the joke.
EDIT: And to think that people were debating whether or not to sign Beckham. As if he would even give us a second glance. No, this is our level, Kyle flippin Walker.
Same opinion?
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Has anyone seen a reliable link to whether we have a buy clause in the loan deal? Or is that just wishful thinking?
I buy clause is only any use if you have already agreed a provisional price.
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He did well overall -very good goal-and looked really up for it(although that may have more to do with going back to Brammal lane)
I hope he does well for us-it's a bit of a shame for Eric Lichaj though as Kyle will doubtless limit his chances of 1st team football