Heroes & Villains, the Aston Villa fanzine
Heroes & Villains => Heroes Discussion => Topic started by: UsualSuspect on June 09, 2010, 09:32:20 AM
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Had a clear out of the loft and have a copy of this book. There is slight wear to the bottom left hand side of the back cover but overall the book is in very good condition.
There is one on Ebay for £50.00 but I would rather it go to a good home so I am looking for £25.00 plus postage or if your local to Brum we could meet halfway.
If you're interest PM me.
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Now sold
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Ok, good. Now for anyone who hasn't read it, I will loan free of charge, a mint condition copy provided you pay the postage and return it afterwards in the same condition.
P.M. with details.
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Bought my dad a copy of this before it ceased to be published. Glad I did now.
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Ok, good. Now for anyone who hasn't read it, I will loan free of charge, a mint condition copy provided you pay the postage and return it afterwards in the same condition.
P.M. with details.
Tom Mc9 is the first taker-If you want him to pass it on to you let me know your address and I will get him to post it to you after he has read it.
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How much interest would there be in a re-issue/update of this book?
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How much interest would there be in a re-issue/update of this book?
A lot?
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How much interest would there be in a re-issue/update of this book?
Well, I'd buy at least one copy.
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How much interest would there be in a re-issue/update of this book?
I'll order one now Dave
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pauliewalnuts very kindly lent me his copy a couple of years ago but I'd very much like one of my own.
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£50 (http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Book-Football-Aston-Villa-1970s-Children-Revolution-/380137909897?cmd=ViewItem&pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item5881fc2e89)
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How much interest would there be in a re-issue/update of this book?
Well, I'd buy at least one copy.
Likewise.
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I'd probably get one too.
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Got 1 from the publisher for £25 a few months back. Brilliant book.
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How much interest would there be in a re-issue/update of this book?
Plenty I reckon, go for it.
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Count me in.
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I have a copy of the book but would want to buy one for my dad, so count me in.
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Another for the please reissue group, Dave.
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Where do I send the money?
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Where do I send the money?
I think it takes a bit longer than that.
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Where do I send the money?
I think it takes a bit longer than that.
Unfortunately, I'm in the arse end of Africa at the moment.
The Angolan postal service is not exactly the most reliable, so thought it may be best to order early ;-)
Do you take chq's in Kwanza?
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Where do I send the money?
I think it takes a bit longer than that.
Unfortunately, I'm in the arse end of Africa at the moment.
The Angolan postal service is not exactly the most reliable, so thought it may be best to order early ;-)
Do you take chq's in Kwanza?
I think you will find he takes any currency including souls.
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Where do I send the money?
I think it takes a bit longer than that.
Unfortunately, I'm in the arse end of Africa at the moment.
The Angolan postal service is not exactly the most reliable, so thought it may be best to order early ;-)
Do you take chq's in Kwanza?
I think you will find he takes any currency including souls.
Not any more.There's just not the demand for them since the election.
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I'd want one or two.
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I'd want one or two.
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Is that two or four then Peter? :-)
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Count me in as well,
plus does anyone want a load of back issue Claret and Blue mags and a number of 90 minutes mags (with villa articles) all from the mid 90's.
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I would definately be interested in ordering a copy.
How does this work Dave? Even in this digital age, I'm guessing that there would need to be a fair-old number pre-ordered before they would consider a re-print.
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I would definately be interested in ordering a copy.
How does this work Dave? Even in this digital age, I'm guessing that there would need to be a fair-old number pre-ordered before they would consider a re-print.
No idea. Just seeing if the demand would be there.
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Yep count me in.
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i would have one if they re-printed it. i've read chico's copy of it, but would like a copy for the collection .
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I have a copy in my downstairs bog. Good read.
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I'd buy one.
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Anything ever come of this?
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Anything ever come of this?
It's been talked about but getting a publisher is the problem.
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Shame its a cracking book and would be a great read for anyone, especially those who experienced it!!
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i posted this before under villa literature thread.
lion books in kidderminster had a few copies brand new still in cellophane. i bought one from there before the chelsea game. the owner told me he had met richard whitehead the author in a motorway service station and bought all his copies off him when he was trying to raise funds to get him to oz for the ashes. he seemd to have a few left so give them a ring.
mine is still in the cellophane and will be opened with a ice cold mount gay and coke in hand in about 4 weeks time on the beach in barbados.
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I'd buy one too
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I worked at Old Trafford cricket ground a few years ago for a while as the token convict in the committee bar. I brought this book in and showed my then boss at LCCC Jim Cumbes, he took it away and flicked through it for a while with some interest and later laughed about his radio show picture.
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Want. More than one.
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I'd definitely buy a couple.
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The best-ever book about the Villa, particularly if you lived through it and the run-in to our glory days (and I say with great respect to our Dave).
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I would buy at least a couple as well.
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I need a couple of them at least.
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Mine is softback but I can't recall whether it was also published in hardback.
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I have a copy in my downstairs bog. Good read.
I still have a few pages of "THE WORLD TO PLAY FOR" in my downstairs bog.
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I have a copy in my downstairs bog. Good read.
I still have a few pages of "THE WORLD TO PLAY FOR" in my downstairs bog.
Might one gently inquire what reading materials you gentlemen have in your upstairs bogs?
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I have a copy in my downstairs bog. Good read.
I still have a few pages of "THE WORLD TO PLAY FOR" in my downstairs bog.
Might one gently inquire what reading materials you gentlemen have in your upstairs bogs?
Bloody rich toffs. We just dig a hole in the garden.
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Why not re-publish it as an ebook and see how it goes? I tried to buy a copy years ago - sent a cheque off somewhere and it never turned up.
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Why not re-publish it as an ebook and see how it goes? I tried to buy a copy years ago - sent a cheque off somewhere and it never turned up.
Copyright is also a problem - the old publishers are out of business now.
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I have a copy in my downstairs bog. Good read.
I still have a few pages of "THE WORLD TO PLAY FOR" in my downstairs bog.
Might one gently inquire what reading materials you gentlemen have in your upstairs bogs?
I don't read in any of the bogs but I have a copy of "NO IFS NO BUTTS" in the upstairs one.
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I don't have a downstairs bog. The carpet's a right mess
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Looking at including one in my proposed house extension!
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Why not re-publish it as an ebook and see how it goes?
No, No, No!
that would be like going to a hotel, opening the top drawer of your bedside cabinet and seeing a note saying for spiritual guidance got to www.bible.com
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Thinking about that, the Ten Commandments did actually originally appear on a Tablet.
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Thinking about that, the Ten Commandments did actually originally appear on a Tablet.
Very good Dave
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Why not re-publish it as an ebook and see how it goes?
No, No, No!
that would be like going to a hotel, opening the top drawer of your bedside cabinet and seeing a note saying for spiritual guidance got to www.bible.com
like
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Why not re-publish it as an ebook and see how it goes?
No, No, No!
that would be like going to a hotel, opening the top drawer of your bedside cabinet and seeing a note saying for spiritual guidance got to www.bible.com
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Yes!
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It's the best book about the Villa, I've lent it to four people who would all like their own copy.
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Thinking about that, the Ten Commandments did actually originally appear on a Tablet.
Very good Dave
Excellent.
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If this could happen i would have a copy......
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I have a copy in my downstairs bog. Good read.
I still have a few pages of "THE WORLD TO PLAY FOR" in my downstairs bog.
Might one gently inquire what reading materials you gentlemen have in your upstairs bogs?
Bloody rich toffs. We just dig a hole in the garden.
Strange place to keep your books ...
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Looks like there's a couple of copies of this on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Children-Revolution-Richard-Whitehead/dp/0946866511/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402387991&sr=1-11&keywords=children+of+the+revolution) - one at £59.95 and another at a mere £999 (plus postage of course)!
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Looks like there's a couple of copies of this on Amazon (http://www.amazon.co.uk/Children-Revolution-Richard-Whitehead/dp/0946866511/ref=sr_1_11?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1402387991&sr=1-11&keywords=children+of+the+revolution) - one at £59.95 and another at a mere £999 (plus postage of course)!
Cheap at twice the price!
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A reminder to anyone who may be looking as to the value of, and demand for, a reprint.
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I'd love one...how can we go about getting a reprint Dave?
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I got one recently because of this thread
It cost me £59
But it don't matter as I've got loads of money
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I'd love one...how can we go about getting a reprint Dave?
Point out to any potential publishers that it would sell shedloads.
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I would definitely like a copy of my own. Is this something the club could be approached about or would be willing to support?
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The sad reality is it probably wouldn't sell shedloads. Who apart from a (relatively) small amount of Villa fans and the very occasional fan of another club would buy it? If it was a guaranteed money maker it would have been reprinted by now.
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The sad reality is it probably wouldn't sell shedloads. Who apart from a (relatively) small amount of Villa fans and the very occasional fan of another club would buy it? If it was a guaranteed money maker it would have been reprinted by now.
It would sell enough to be viable.
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The sad reality is it probably wouldn't sell shedloads. Who apart from a (relatively) small amount of Villa fans and the very occasional fan of another club would buy it? If it was a guaranteed money maker it would have been reprinted by now.
It would sell enough to be viable.
It possibly would, depending on who owns the rights etc. Which is different to it definitely selling shedloads though. If it was a nailed on money maker someone would have re-published it by now as no publisher is going to turn down profit.
I'd love to see it back in print as I think it is a great book, but am also think it is very much a niche market that will want to buy it.
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The sad reality is it probably wouldn't sell shedloads. Who apart from a (relatively) small amount of Villa fans and the very occasional fan of another club would buy it? If it was a guaranteed money maker it would have been reprinted by now.
It would sell enough to be viable.
It possibly would, depending on who owns the rights etc. Which is different to it definitely selling shedloads though. If it was a nailed on money maker someone would have re-published it by now as no publisher is going to turn down profit.
I'd love to see it back in print as I think it is a great book, but am also think it is very much a niche market that will want to buy it.
The problem has been that the previous publisher retired and wasn't bothered about it being reprinted. The amounts that second-hand copies go for is testament to the demand that's there.
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If they sell at that price. There is a big difference between asking a high price and getting it. Especially on books. I should know, i've been selling the things for over 20 years. There's been a copy floating on ebay for £60 for ages without being bought, as an example.
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If they sell at that price. There is a big difference between asking a high price and getting it. Especially on books. I should know, i've been selling the things for over 20 years. There's been a copy floating on ebay for £60 for ages without being bought, as an example.
john e just paid £59.
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I once sold a book for a grand, doesn't mean there is a big enough market for it to be re-printed.
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It's the best football book ever written, it's about a time that our supporters regard with great affection and it's in demand. That's why it would sell.
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It's the best football book ever written, it's about a time that our supporters regard with great affection and it's in demand. That's why it would sell.
Some of our supporters regard with great affection would be more accurate. And that is what i'm saying, only a small percentage of Villa fans would buy it. A depressingly large amount don't give a stuff about reading about Villa in the 70's. Which is shit but how it is. Look how often we have talked about former players walking on Witton Lane and virtually no one knows who they are.
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It's the best football book ever written, it's about a time that our supporters regard with great affection and it's in demand. That's why it would sell.
Some of our supporters regard with great affection would be more accurate. And that is what i'm saying, only a small percentage of Villa fans would buy it. A depressingly large amount don't give a stuff about reading about Villa in the 70's. Which is shit but how it is. Look how often we have talked about former players walking on Witton Lane and virtually no one knows who they are.
The grey pound. It's the ald arses who would buy it.
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Why not re-publish it as an ebook and see how it goes?
No, No, No!
that would be like going to a hotel, opening the top drawer of your bedside cabinet and seeing a note saying for spiritual guidance got to www.bible.com
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Yes!
Luddites. How are you reading this and how will you be getting your H&V fixes now the fanzine has gone digital?
If anyone can be arsed to find out who if anyone holds the rights just make them an offer and away you go. The chances of actually making it happen via e are greater than persuading someone to actually do a print run.
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Add me to the 'I'd buy it on the day it's put on sale again' list.
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Add me to the 'I'd buy it on the day it's put on sale again' list.
Ditto.
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It's the best football book ever written, it's about a time that our supporters regard with great affection and it's in demand. That's why it would sell.
Some of our supporters regard with great affection would be more accurate. And that is what i'm saying, only a small percentage of Villa fans would buy it. A depressingly large amount don't give a stuff about reading about Villa in the 70's. Which is shit but how it is. Look how often we have talked about former players walking on Witton Lane and virtually no one knows who they are.
The grey pound. It's the ald arses who would buy it.
How very dare you. True, mind.
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Count me in.
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I'd quite like to purchase this book.
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Id love a couple.
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I'd still love a riches to rags to sort of riches again tale of the 1980s.
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Oh, and I wouldn't part with my copy of Children of the Revolution for a £1000. Whenever I'm feeling down about the Villa it is there to remind me that the darkest of days were followed by the brightest.
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I'd still love a riches to rags to sort of riches again tale of the 1980s.
I've thought about that but there are a few problems with it. The main one it's two great years at the start that have been done to death, a good one at the end that often gets overlooked and seven boring ones in the middle where nobody cared much about Villa, or football. There's just not the affection there as there is for the seventies, and the backdrop was a lot darker
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I'd still love a riches to rags to sort of riches again tale of the 1980s.
I've thought about that but there are a few problems with it. The main one it's two great years at the start that have been done to death, a good one at the end that often gets overlooked and seven boring ones in the middle where nobody cared much about Villa, or football. There's just not the affection there as there is for the seventies, and the backdrop was a lot darker
Very true. In most others aspects of life apart from our club, this will probably be remembered as the most optimistic time in the history of our small island.
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I'd still love a riches to rags to sort of riches again tale of the 1980s.
I've thought about that but there are a few problems with it. The main one it's two great years at the start that have been done to death, a good one at the end that often gets overlooked and seven boring ones in the middle where nobody cared much about Villa, or football. There's just not the affection there as there is for the seventies, and the backdrop was a lot darker
True and difficult to argue with. However, I think those middle years have a certain morbid fascination and I would quite like a permanent record of such "highlights" as Doug having the temerity to sack Tony Barton during a period of diligent rebuilding, of the Steve Hodge Norwich game, the disaster that was Billy McNeill and the rebirth under SGT.
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If they sell at that price. There is a big difference between asking a high price and getting it. Especially on books. I should know, i've been selling the things for over 20 years. There's been a copy floating on ebay for £60 for ages without being bought, as an example.
john e just paid £59.
From Amazon
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Why not re-publish it as an ebook and see how it goes?
No, No, No!
that would be like going to a hotel, opening the top drawer of your bedside cabinet and seeing a note saying for spiritual guidance got to www.bible.com
like
Yes!
Luddites. How are you reading this and how will you be getting your H&V fixes now the fanzine has gone digital?
If anyone can be arsed to find out who if anyone holds the rights just make them an offer and away you go. The chances of actually making it happen via e are greater than persuading someone to actually do a print run.
If you have the publishing rights, and a way of digitising the book I believe amazon make it quite easy to create and publish e-books.
I saw a documentary a couple of months ago, where some bloke was claiming to have made a lot of cash from self-publishing.
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I have one in Mint condition, how much is it worth?
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Another one who would be interested, especially as I was too young to really appreciate even the arse end of the seventies.
79-80 being the first season I can really remember. (0-0 home game v the stripeys?)
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I have one in Mint condition, how much is it worth?
£2. How do you want me to send the money
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I have one in Mint condition, how much is it worth?
£2. How do you want me to send the money
In Penny Black Postage Stamps ;)
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One has just sold on ebay for £13.
Sorry make that £12.02.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aston-Villa-034-Children-Of-The-Revolution-034-by-Richard-Whitehead-First-Edition-2001-/190944947333.
Sorry about the long link I am on my phone.
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One has just sold on ebay for £13.
Sorry make that £12.02.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/Aston-Villa-034-Children-Of-The-Revolution-034-by-Richard-Whitehead-First-Edition-2001-/190944947333.
Sorry about the long link I am on my phone.
So we have gone from £59 to £13 in a few hours, sell sell sell
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In 2013.
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A little more indicative of current prices (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Children-of-the-Revolution-by-Richard-Whitehead-/141333038878?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item20e81b071e)
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In 2013.
Must change phone!
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A little more indicative of current prices (http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Children-of-the-Revolution-by-Richard-Whitehead-/141333038878?pt=Non_Fiction&hash=item20e81b071e)
Cool
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It's the best football book ever written, it's about a time that our supporters regard with great affection and it's in demand. That's why it would sell.
Some of our supporters regard with great affection would be more accurate. And that is what i'm saying, only a small percentage of Villa fans would buy it. A depressingly large amount don't give a stuff about reading about Villa in the 70's. Which is shit but how it is. Look how often we have talked about former players walking on Witton Lane and virtually no one knows who they are.
The grey pound. It's the ald arses who would buy it.
If I saved up my pension I'd buy it.
I'm not grey though. Well, not totally.
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It's the best football book ever written, it's about a time that our supporters regard with great affection and it's in demand. That's why it would sell.
Some of our supporters regard with great affection would be more accurate. And that is what i'm saying, only a small percentage of Villa fans would buy it. A depressingly large amount don't give a stuff about reading about Villa in the 70's. Which is shit but how it is. Look how often we have talked about former players walking on Witton Lane and virtually no one knows who they are.
The grey pound. It's the ald arses who would buy it.
If I saved up my pension I'd buy it.
I'm not grey though. Well, not totally.
Us poor pensioners can't even afford to buy food never mind buying necessities like books about Aston Villa's history. ;)
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I have one in Mint condition, how much is it worth?
I got my copy signed by Whitehead
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Am I right in thinking this book only deals with a specific period in Villa's history - late 60s/early 70s?
It struck me that I've never actually read a definitive history of Aston Villa, so I looked on Amazon, to see if anyone had written one. I found this by the "official Villa historian" John Lerwill:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chronicles-1874-1924-Limited-Edition-Lerwill/dp/B007K7XTC2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404123393&sr=8-1&keywords=Aston+Villa+Chronicles
I don't know if it's any good, but it is expensive. There must surely be a market for a reasonable/normal priced book on the subject. Every Villa fan who could read would get one for their birthday/Christmas.
Or perhaps they'd just end up in "The Works"...
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Am I right in thinking this book only deals with a specific period in Villa's history - late 60s/early 70s?
It struck me that I've never actually read a definitive history of Aston Villa, so I looked on Amazon, to see if anyone had written one. I found this by the "official Villa historian" John Lerwill:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Chronicles-1874-1924-Limited-Edition-Lerwill/dp/B007K7XTC2/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1404123393&sr=8-1&keywords=Aston+Villa+Chronicles
I don't know if it's any good, but it is expensive. There must surely be a market for a reasonable/normal priced book on the subject. Every Villa fan who could read would get one for their birthday/Christmas.
Or perhaps they'd just end up in "The Works"...
Got mine from The Works in New St. a couple of years ago for a Tenner.
It's two massive volumes and not what you could call light reading, but very interesting nonetheless if you're interested in the minutiae of the clubs history.