Johan Manzambi - discussion thread

[PeterWithesShin]

Is gambling horrendous? I don't gamble, so dont know- hence the sincerity of the question.

Yes. It utterly ruins lives. It can be as destructive an addiction as alcohol or drugs.

I'd ban all gambling adverts, same as tobacco and alcohol have been. And I say that as someone that as i've said before made a good chunk gambling back in the day. For us it was a business, I saw those where it was an addiction and the looks on their faces as they left a casino having just done their month's wages in one night and are now fucked on paying anything.

[PeterWithesShin]

And as much as I dislike gambling ads it's a whole other level having a logo that may as well say "we support genocide if it pays enough".

[Dogtanian]

Is gambling horrendous? I don't gamble, so dont know- hence the sincerity of the question.

Yes. It utterly ruins lives. It can be as destructive an addiction as alcohol or drugs.

I'd ban all gambling adverts, same as tobacco and alcohol have been. And I say that as someone that as i've said before made a good chunk gambling back in the day. For us it was a business, I saw those where it was an addiction and the looks on their faces as they left a casino having just done their month's wages in one night and are now fucked on paying anything.

Absolutely, gambling advertising ought to be banned.

Just look at the adverts on TV and think about who they are aimed at and what they are doing. They're targeted at young males, in particularly the... let's say less sophisticated ones, and make gambling out to be a big laugh with your mates.

They normalise it, make it sound like harmless fun, and appeal to people who probably don't have the sense to see the problems, and do it while you are young enough to form a lifelong habit.

[PaulWinch again]

And as much as I dislike gambling ads it's a whole other level having a logo that may as well say "we support genocide if it pays enough".

Quite.

[Smithy]

I throw this in for debate, but is there really that much difference between gambling adverts and the pressure brought to bear on supporters to hand over their money to their club?

Yes, because when you give the club money you get "something" in return.  Whether it's a (potentially disappointing) day out, a shirt, or some other piece of tat your kids have pressured you into buying.

When you give money to a gambling company, it's done purely in the hope you will get that money back, and then some.  And most of the time, you don't.

[Stu]

Is gambling horrendous? I don't gamble, so dont know- hence the sincerity of the question.

One of my colleagues got roped in during Covid. Online bandit machines that pay out big money. He got hooked in when he was ~£6k up and ended up losing about £50,000 in shares he held in the business, family had to intervene, he’s had his IP and hardware blocked from accessing gambling sites, barred from bookies for miles around etc. He never so much as had a go on the Grand National before the pandemic.

[john2710]

There is nobody of any reasonable legitimacy reporting anything about this deal being under threat.

I've seen people on X quote Konsa, Tielemans & Manzambi all being unhappy because of some Congo connection. I'd be stunned if any footballer put principle before money.

[andyh]

There is nobody of any reasonable legitimacy reporting anything about this deal being under threat.

I've seen people on X quote Konsa, Tielemans & Manzambi all being unhappy because of some Congo connection. I'd be stunned if any footballer put principle before money.

The number plying their trade in Saudi is testament to that.

[Ads]

If Tielemans was unhappy with Rwanda and the Congo given his heritage, why would you want to play for Belgium given you know. Or maybe he appreciates the nuance of it being Leopold's private rubber works project.

Or maybe Twitter is a load of rubbish.

[teamvillage]

There's something about looking at this through Western European eyes regarding national identity. The Rwanda/DRC stuff is primarily a tribal conflict. I don't know Manzambi's tribal heritage but DRC is absolutely massive and it's quite possible his family roots are thousands of miles from this and he doesn't have any interest in the conflict.

[Ads]

The source if the disquiet is "Hand of Arsenal". Where Rogers was being sold for £80m a month ago.

[brontebilly]

Is gambling horrendous? I don't gamble, so dont know- hence the sincerity of the question.

No, in moderation like everything else it's fine. Gambling companies are scum though, that's just the regulated ones. Have a read about how paddy power treated "tony10" for one or fixed odds betting terminals as another. Their fucking shills like Peter Crouch and Ray Winston (have a bang on that) do my head in. It's been allowed infiltrate society at every turn, every half time ad break, every podcast, anything nearly you watch and read. Also try and get paid if you win big off one of these scumbag companies, boyles notorious for it. They will hardly let you put on a bet again either . But the poor degenerate is always welcome.

Unregulated offshore gambling companies are basically just criminal enterprises, Betano recently blocked in Mexico for it.  Shameful we put one on our shirt...and then replace with visit Rwanda is mind boggling. Elon Musk next?

We should ask Muller yoghurts to come back onboard, although I see they are linked with fascist movements in Germany so scratch that.

[aev]

Maybe he won't sign and decide to join Saudi backed Newcastle.

[LeeB]

Is gambling horrendous? I don't gamble, so dont know- hence the sincerity of the question.

No, in moderation like everything else it's fine. Gambling companies are scum though, that's just the regulated ones. Have a read about how paddy power treated "tony10" for one or fixed odds betting terminals as another. Their fucking shills like Peter Crouch and Ray Winston (have a bang on that) do my head in. It's been allowed infiltrate society at every turn, every half time ad break, every podcast, anything nearly you watch and read. Also try and get paid if you win big off one of these scumbag companies, boyles notorious for it. They will hardly let you put on a bet again either . But the poor degenerate is always welcome.

Unregulated offshore gambling companies are basically just criminal enterprises, Betano recently blocked in Mexico for it.  Shameful we put one on our shirt...and then replace with visit Rwanda is mind boggling. Elon Musk next?

We should ask Muller yoghurts to come back onboard, although I see they are linked with fascist movements in Germany so scratch that.

Yeah, basically all corporations are ******. People were getting excited at the thought of Coca Cola or Audi, two fine institutions with unblemished histories.

[Richard E]

We should have ‘Smash Capitalism’ or even better the original wording of Clause IV as our front of shirt sponsor.