Nottingham Forest v Aston Villa Post-Match Thread

[Demitri_C]

My take is this.  Until that daft pen, the game was panning out exactly as we wanted it to, we controlled the game and gave them very little - in fact at HT I felt that we were going to go on and win it.  We were badly let down by VAR, and whatever Digne was thinking is anyone's guess -  in the end I was just hoping that we could keep it at 1-0, because I honestly believe we'll turn this lot over at VP next week.  For that to happen, we need to take the game to them from the off and look to score early - we also need more width, so for what it's worth I'd start SJM in the 10, play Sancho (yes I've said it) on the wing and bring Maatsen in for Digne. One thing is for sure, when our chances come, we have to bloody well take them - Watkins and Rogers need to be 100% on it.

If we score early, i can see us beating forest and them crumbling. But if we start with this slow patient side passing  shit again it just helps forest. As you say we need to start quickly

[Mister E]

Didn’t comment last night as everyone seemed a bit fraught. I was the most nervous before a game than I can ever remember, stakes being high for all sorts of reasons and deep down I feared coming away two or three down
I dont know if its because i watched it in the Warehouse, which a rocking good atmosphere to be honest, really really loud, that I just didn’t see the turgidity that some people mentioned.
I saw a bit of a blood and thunder game, with two teams going at each other and a draw would of been a completely fair result. We make a mistake and get punished, before that they should of been down to ten men for a shocking tackle and in one way or another that changes the game.
They had the chance when Martinez makes a worldie, we had the chance when it came at Watkins quickly.
Im really not be one eyed here, but there is not a part of me that does not envisage us winning that game of football next Thursday.

Totally agree with your game-assessment, mate; nice to read something with a bit of perspective

[ChicagoLion]

In the still that you mention, the ball has either already left the player's foot or hasn't got there yet.  Either way, it doesn't capture the precise moment of contact so can't be accurate.  It might be arguing semantics, but you've got officials basically making their own processes up at critical points in massive games.

You do realise the still was used for the illustration purposes and whole frame set is reviewed until they find one as close to contact as 1/100th* of a second allows. But I was also making my own judgement based on the slo-mo shown by TNT where the leg is about to make contact and half the ball is pitchside of the goal post and when contact is made a small sliver is showing the other side of the post and it goes almost straight up. So yes, it was wasn't over the line.

On rewatching it again, Digne was claiming the ball had crossed the line and it was "our ball". No Lucas, it wasn't, keep you hands down next time.

I genuinely don't know what they do or watch to be totally honest.  It's more how get can overturn the awarding of a goal.kick that puzzles me.

VAR is there to adjudicate on a possible penalty, if they had determined the ball was out of play they wouldn’t have given the penalty, they did, it wasn’t, penalty.

[wolfman999]

I honestly think Anderson only stayed on the pitch because of Ollie's honesty in carrying on playing after a truly dangerous tackle. Maybe, we are too honest. If that was a Chelsea or Citeh player, they would still be rolling over this morning. He was completely out of control with studs raised and a straight leg contact on his opponents ankle. That is a straight red card every day of the week.

[Mister E]

My worry is that it will end up going to pens, which will terrify me, looking at Wood's penalty, I can't remember the last time a Villa player hit a pen like that.

Gazza Bazza and Benteke used to hammer the penalties. I was always confident with them as takers.

[Demitri_C]

I honestly think Anderson only stayed on the pitch because of Ollie's honesty in carrying on playing after a truly dangerous tackle. Maybe, we are too honest. If that was a Chelsea or Citeh player, they would still be rolling over this morning. He was completely out of control with studs raised and a straight leg contact on his opponents ankle. That is a straight red card every day of the week.

I agree with this its a fantastic  point. If that happened to a arsenal or manure player they would swarm the ref we should be doing the same in key games like this. Absolute  joke that not even a yellow for that. I honestly  cannot believe  it.

[Monty]

Sorry if this was posted earlier. Rare you hear Unai being so scathing about any officiating but he was livid at VAR for not reviewing the foul on Ollie

https://xcancel.com/footballontnt/status/2049965814975955165?s=46

Yep, tells its own story. Still goes out of his way to praise the ref, to say it wasn't his fault, to be a gent about it all, but yeah. Insane that the VAR hasn't sent the ref to the monitor over that.

I think it's the outrage over player safety that's sent him over the edge tbh. Like, reds for hairpulling but not for possible ankle-breakers? It's not right.

I agree that concern for a player's welfare makes an incident like that much more serious than just a bad decision.

Don't agree with the downplaying of hair-pulling. That can cause serious neck injuries, and should be a red card.

Fair enough, though to maintain the comparison - I don't think it's as likely to cause serious injury as going in studs-up on someone's ankle!

[Rigadon]

I really hope we just go for it next week.  They will definitely play a back 5 with 4 across midfield in a low block and hope to hit the back post for that ugly twat up front to head in.  I'd consider playing Tammy and Watkins from the start.

[Pat Mustard]

On the penalty, it's the inconsistency that absolutely boils my piss.  We seem to be the only team that has had any decisions on the in/out of play thing - the only other case I can remember being remotely similar was the one a few years back where Manure scored at West Ham.  There the ball was clearly a couple of metres beyond the touchline in the air before swinging back in, yet everyone was told that VAR couldn't intervene on that one.

Football doesn't have 'hawkeye' technology on the touchlines yet, and my understanding is that in/out is still currently the decision of the on field officials.  The linesman clearly indicated for a goal kick as soon as it happened, so I don't know why VAR even intervenes at that stage.

If VAR is going to overrule officials on this, then it also needs to start being used for goal kicks and corners.  Or just f*ck the whole thing off and make the game much more enjoyable.

[PaulWinch again]

I really hope we just go for it next week.  They will definitely play a back 5 with 4 across midfield in a low block and hope to hit the back post for that ugly twat up front to head in.  I'd consider playing Tammy and Watkins from the start.

I wouldn’t normally consider that, but given Buendia was so bad it couldn’t hurt. I’d be more inclined to start with Sancho though.

[Des Little]

Don't shoot me, but given Buendia's indifferent performance last night, would playing Elliott in the 10 next week be any worse? Just a thought?

[Somniloquism]

In the still that you mention, the ball has either already left the player's foot or hasn't got there yet.  Either way, it doesn't capture the precise moment of contact so can't be accurate.  It might be arguing semantics, but you've got officials basically making their own processes up at critical points in massive games.

You do realise the still was used for the illustration purposes and whole frame set is reviewed until they find one as close to contact as 1/100th* of a second allows. But I was also making my own judgement based on the slo-mo shown by TNT where the leg is about to make contact and half the ball is pitchside of the goal post and when contact is made a small sliver is showing the other side of the post and it goes almost straight up. So yes, it was wasn't over the line.

On rewatching it again, Digne was claiming the ball had crossed the line and it was "our ball". No Lucas, it wasn't, keep you hands down next time.

Where in the rules does it say that VAR is responsible for ensuring the correct decision is arrived at re: the awarding of goal kicks?

They make the decision because of potential penalty which is in their remit and was the action straight after. If it had hit anywhere else on Digne then there wouldn't have been anything to check, if it had not hit him, but the pullback had been scored then VAR would have been involved again, as is their remit whilst the whistle hasn't been blown.

[LeeB]

Is it a different ref next week or is it bloody Robino Hoodo again?

[Des Little]

Is it a different ref next week or is it bloody Robino Hoodo again?

Brilliant

[aj2k77]

Possible penalty takers for us? Luiz, Abraham, Tielemans, Rogers, McGinn, Cash?