Aston Villa v Brentford Post-Match Thread

[Nev]

I wouldn't be furious if that goal had been given against us, we would've had plenty of chances to stop it. I would be angry with the linesman but there is no way I would've expected VAR to intervene. We had many chances to win today but didn't which I'm frustrated about.

But when you have the restrictions we operate under, my God you need a bit of fortune and perhaps some luck. You don't need endless shitouts reffing the game and making the rules up as they go along. It really doesn't help.

[Percy McCarthy]

Why didn’t we bring Onana and Mings on and try a bit of Pulis-ball ourselves?

I tried to be optimistic about Bailey coming back but he was exactly as I remembered, awful.

All 4 ball players in 2nd half were off it. Bailey Sancho Elliot did little and Buendia was tactically not in a goos space.

Posiitves were Cash and Luiz. Wr didnt work Kelleher enough - Watkins would have worked their centre halves more I feel.

A valid opinion. But not quite up there with an absolute.

[PaulWinch again]

We absolutely did not miss Watkins.

He would have offered nothing useful today.

Total and Utter Bollocks

Episode 4397

Probably the most stupid one of the lot as well.

Unless smirker has earned a fortune from  his ability to correctly predict every game Ollie has scored in. In which case, fair play.

Does he score goals? I thought he was entirely inept…

[Clive W]

Just checked

And yes - we are still 3rd

Is the gap behind us closing ?

Yes but in the next round of matches it may widen again

I’m not denying it was an awful weekend

[steamer]

attacking the Holte end first half, then playing against 10 men
You knew we were fucked

[Meanwood Villa]

The ball probably was out of play but it seems like these weird decisions only ever seem to happen to us, see Lansbury at Palace, Citeh goal during covid when they rewrote the rules the next day, Bailey v Sheff Utd, Rogers at Man Utd last season. I know they happen to other teams and I just don't notice them but it's putting me down in the dumps right now.

I thought we were OK today, got done by a sucker punch and huffed and puffed but failed to turn it around (goal notwithstanding). Similar to Everton really. Two poor results in the context of our home form generally and what we are hoping to achieve. The fatalistic and pessimistic side of me thinks this is typical Villa choking at the big moment but we had a good week before this and there'll be more good times to come this season I'm sure.

[Ads]

Strongly suspect neither Onana and Barkley were fit enough to play as the formers presence and the laters guile would have been points of difference.

Really frustrating to lose to Stoke Redux. Awful side with one ball; long over the top looking for the gap between centre half and full back. Playing percentages, taking an eternity to take a throw (which was often a foul throw), knocking lumps out of people and being anti-football. I take heart that these ****** will, eventually, be flushed down the league like every other Mickey Mouse nobody. ******. Beat us twice by defending deeper than your average coal mine and getting a lucky bounce. Fucking ******.

Bogarde was their best player first half. Broke up every attack we had. Tammy unlucky not to score, not sure the Kopite in goal knew much about it, equally Konsa. What was that?! Goal came as no suprise- its just the Villa way to concede massively against the run of play and with their only effort at goal all fucking game.

Deserved red, horrible little bastard.

We struggle with our fab four out in midfield. Who wouldn't. Watkins running in behind equally missed. He terrorised Newcastle last week. Felt everything was so samey though- not enough confidence in crossing the ball to compete with their lumps at the back which made it too easy.

VAR has had a lovely guess. Looked out, potentially to me. Absolutely zero conclusive evidence though, so naturally the goal that was given on the field...is overturned. What the fuck does "phase of play" mean. 19 seconds and 100 yards of pitch. Just fuck off.

Monumental frustrating day.

[wolfman999]

The ball probably was out of play but it seems like these weird decisions only ever seem to happen to us, see Lansbury at Palace, Citeh goal during covid when they rewrote the rules the next day, Bailey v Sheff Utd, Rogers at Man Utd last season. I know they happen to other teams and I just don't notice them but it's putting me down in the dumps right now.

I thought we were OK today, got done by a sucker punch and huffed and puffed but failed to turn it around (goal notwithstanding). Similar to Everton really. Two poor results in the context of our home form generally and what we are hoping to achieve. The fatalistic and pessimistic side of me thinks this is typical Villa choking at the big moment but we had a good week before this and there'll be more good times to come this season I'm sure.

Exactly my thoughts. Whether the ball was in or out is debatable and certainly not clearly as the VAR explanation stated but a simple question. If that was at the Emirates, the Etihad or Anfield, would VAR have spent over 4 minutes looking at an incident at the other end of the pitch 20 seconds before in the play which neither the referee or linesman called? We know the answer.

[bill]

Whatever happened to “clear and obvious” If it takes that long to decide, it’s neither.

[Rudy Can't Fail]

VAR is not there to offer opinions on whether a ball is out, or not.

Is this correct?

[Monty]

Just to say - it seems extremely obvious to me that we missed Tielemans like a missing limb today, and this doesn't seem much discussed yet.

[brontebilly]

Had forgot Konsa's effort in first half, wish it had stayed forgotten. Awful

[SamTheMouse]

As I said in the match thread: if Rice, Odegaard, Merino and Zubimendi are all injured at once, Arsenal immediately start losing.

Same goes for Abu Dhabi FC if Rodri and Reijnders break their knees the same week.

No team can lose its entire first choice midfield and compete consistently. Lady luck has fucked us again.

[pelty]

“From what point does the VAR check incidents leading to a penalty or goal?

The VAR will only check the attacking possession phase that led to the penalty or goal.
The starting point will be limited to the immediate phase. The VAR may not go back to when the attacking team gained possession.
The VAR will consider the ability of the opposing defence to reset, and the momentum of the attack.”

[Somniloquism]

Anyone mentioned Dave is banned from bringing his daughter to any Villa games?