Wake me up when it's over

[markeeeebeeee2005]

You do see the difference between ten adult Luftwaffe pilots in armed aircraft in WW2 and tens of thousands of murdered children though, don’t you?

[Nunkin1965]

I really don't think you can compare the chants.
Its a stretch of Stretch Armstrong proportions.

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

I’m saying a) it’s not all the fans and b) England fans still sing about WW2 ffs. As do Villa fans with Ten German bombers in the air.
So if your view is any % of fans who sing offensive songs should immediately result in their club not being allowed any away support at all  in the UK, that’s a fair argument. But I think you only apply that to one country.
Could I peruse your post history and find calls for bans of all these other clubs?
That’s why this whole thing is disingenuous and dishonest.

Feel free to peruse my previous posts. Don't think you will find any as we have not previously had to play a team from a State that in my opinion has been committing genocide.
For what it's worth I think Israel should have been banished from international sport for actions in Gaza which have gone far beyond anything acceptable.
I know that for you that immediately makes me anti semitic, so while you are perusing my previous 11,000+ posts over the last 15 years please feel free to quote anything at all I have previously said which could be vaguely interpreted as against Israel or the Jewish community in general.

[eliotpollak]

You do see the difference between ten adult Luftwaffe pilots in armed aircraft in WW2 and tens of thousands of murdered children though, don’t you?

My point was more about how you perceive something versus how it could be perceived if people were out to get you. I don’t think songs sung by small groups of fans are instructive either way.
And please, most clubs from Eastern Europe sing songs about the various civil wars they’ve won/lost and all the people they have killed. Are they banned?

[Monty]

Ah yes, the 'we're only as bad as Serbian nationalists' defence.

Are you a Hamas plant? You can't possibly think these are good arguments, surely.

[eliotpollak]

I’m saying a) it’s not all the fans and b) England fans still sing about WW2 ffs. As do Villa fans with Ten German bombers in the air.
So if your view is any % of fans who sing offensive songs should immediately result in their club not being allowed any away support at all  in the UK, that’s a fair argument. But I think you only apply that to one country.
Could I peruse your post history and find calls for bans of all these other clubs?
That’s why this whole thing is disingenuous and dishonest.

Feel free to peruse my previous posts. Don't think you will find any as we have not previously had to play a team from a State that in my opinion has been committing genocide.
For what it's worth I think Israel should have been banished from international sport for actions in Gaza which have gone far beyond anything acceptable.
I know that for you that immediately makes me anti semitic, so while you are perusing my previous 11,000+ posts over the last 15 years please feel free to quote anything at all I have previously said which could be vaguely interpreted as against Israel or the Jewish community in general.

Thankfully you don’t run international football!
The Jewish community are grateful for the absence of any anti-semitism in your previous 11,000 posts. Unfortunately the aforementioned quote has broken a very laudable run. See this paper for why, although I’m sure all the posters on here who have never met a Jew in their life, know more than the Institute for Contemporary Anti-Semitism.
https://isca.indiana.edu/publication-research/research-paper-series/norman-jw-goda-research-paper.html

[eliotpollak]

Ah yes, the 'we're only as bad as Serbian nationalists' defence.

Are you a Hamas plant? You can't possibly think these are good arguments, surely.

No. I just don’t find anyone calling for them to be banned, let alone actually banning their fans. So that inconsistency is interesting to me.

And it’s not we. I’m not Israeli or a fan of Tel Aviv.

[Monty]

Ah yes, the 'we're only as bad as Serbian nationalists' defence.

Are you a Hamas plant? You can't possibly think these are good arguments, surely.

No. I just don’t find anyone calling for them to be banned, let alone actually banning their fans. So that inconsistency is interesting to me.

And it’s not we. I’m not Israeli or a fan of Tel Aviv.

Well that's just sad, then. No skin on the game even.

And if you really think there's been no controversy over Balkan fans then you've just not been paying attention.

[markeeeebeeee2005]

Cracking PR job!

[PeterWithesShin]

Fans being banned based on their previous behaviour has happened many many times.

Could I peruse your post history and find you criticising the bans of all these other clubs? I assume i'll find quite a few condeming Ajax and Franfurt fans being banned last month.

[LeeB]

Isn't there enough of this pointless bickering all over the rest of the bloody internet? Nobody is changing anybody else's views and it's as fucking boring as it is pointless.

[Sexual Ealing]

Look, surely we can all agree that the problem is the Protestants?

[Andy_Lochhead_in_the_air]

Look, surely we can all agree that the problem is the Protestants?

I was going to blame the Methodists. But then thought about our 1874 origins.

Actually if it hadn't been for Jack Hughes, a member of the Wesleyan Chapel at Villa Cross this match and this conversation would never have been happening. Eliot wouldn't be upset with us, we wouldn't be upset with him, and LeeB wouldn't be bored shitless. None of us would know each other, worse still we could be noses !

So lets blame or praise the Methodists in equal measure ! We all got our Villa..Come on you Lions !

[Nunkin1965]

Look, surely we can all agree that the problem is the Protestants?

I thought it was the Judean Peoples Front.
Oh sh*t!

[PeterWithesShin]

Tooting Popular Front are real wrong 'uns.