Removing Israeli teams from UEFA competitions/Boycotting the Maccabi TA game

[Somniloquism]

Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.

[brontebilly]

It’s more about the police not being able to predict or control the actions/threat from non-footballing sections of the community that would want to attack/harrass the macabi fans. Not a great look for Brum.

Yes those poor maccabi fans are the real victims here.

Israel is always the victim. Holocaust-flavoured emotional blackmail trading is one of the country's finest exports

80-90 years ago multi-millions of Jewish people were murdered by the Nazis. Therefore in 2025 the secular state of Israel can do wrong, and anyone who suggests it is doing wrong is a massive anti-semite. It logically follows and people should just accept it

I don't think even the German position of "because of the Holocaust" is remotely acceptable today in its tolerance of the actions of the terrorist Israeli state. That German position has also really harmed a pan European response to these war criminals.

But for a British Labour PM to trot out the anti semitic line today in criticising his own police force, we are really in a new world order.

[Stu]

Wonder how long before screenshots of this thread are being posted on social media.

[Crown Hill]

Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.

As in relating specifically to Villa.

[Stu]

But for a British Labour PM to trot out the anti semitic line today in criticising his own police force, we are really in a new world order.

Fucks sake, don’t post this bollocks.

[Stu]

Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.

As in relating specifically to Villa.

To be clear, you’re saying that AVFC made the decision to ban MTA fans from VP after consultation with UEFA?

[Crown Hill]

Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.

As in relating specifically to Villa.

To be clear, you’re saying that AVFC made the decision to ban MTA fans from VP after consultation with UEFA?

The SAG (specifically related to Villa Park) provided its advice to Villa and UEFA. Villa then announced the decision.

[Stu]

Right so Villa could have disregarded it but didn’t?

[cdbearsfan]

Yes. You just stated it is Villa's SAG when it isn't.

As in relating specifically to Villa.

To be clear, you’re saying that AVFC made the decision to ban MTA fans from VP after consultation with UEFA?

The SAG (specifically repeated to Villa Park) provided its advice to Villa and UEFA. Villa then announced the decision.

Which of these events didn't happen in your head?

[Crown Hill]

Right so Villa could have disregarded it but didn’t?

Yes indeed. But realistically of course that would have been challenging hence Dave W’e point.

Ultimately the decision lies with the venue and the competition. And I think that would be where the judicial review would go.

The football policing unit are saying if government wants to interfere then they should legislate for such games to be national events.

[Percy McCarthy]

It’s mad that the city of Birmingham has to bend over backwards to allow these violent, racist, religious nutters to spew their hate because some balloon-headed morons believe (and agitators pretend) that to not do so means you don’t like Jews.

[Hookeysmith]

We'd literally deserve to be kicked out if we forfeited the game. If we want to play in UEFA competitions we can't pick and choose which of the clubs that qualified for the competition we want to play against.

I think we should be able to not play teams from countries that have been committing genocide. 

Interesting that Arsenal are sponsored by one and encourage people to visit there

[PeterWithesShin]

A local authority safety certificate is needed for every event. Villa Park itself needs a safety certificate, and then a match one as well. That will be a formality for the majority of matches this season, there won't be a meeting before every game. There will be one if an out of the norm event is happening. Like Maccabi.
A local authority can pull your safety certificate should they choose, and if they did then VP wouldn't be hosting anything until it is reinstated. The LA base it on advice from emergency services, especially the police as well as someone from the club. Police recommendations will always take priority. What Villa want is secondary. It is rare for a game to go ahead against police advice. It's why we've had derby games with reduced away allocations in the fairly recent past for example. Uefa have fuck all say regarding local authority safety decisions, they've even stated that.

[Crown Hill]

Not quite.

Designated stadia do need a safety certificate but they aren’t issued on a match by match basis:

https://sgsa.org.uk/regulatory-support/safety-certification/

The SAG report was sent to Villa and UEFA!

[PeterWithesShin]

Actually they are. But it will basically be a rolling safety certifcate, until something like Maccabi happens. Then there will be a consultation meeting. It doesn't matter if it's Villa or Bromsgrove, you need a safety certifcate for every game.

Again, it's why away allocations are often cut, it's why, before safe standing came in, numerous clubs were threatened with capacity reductions for persistent standing. It wasn't the clubs threatening/doing these things for the hell of it, it's to keep their safety certificates.