Harvey Elliott (signed on loan)

[VILLA MOLE]

We signed him, we agreed to the terms. That we then don't like it it is completely on us.

Absolutely as did everyone and we have a get out if we don't think he is worth the investment and obviously we don't   

[trinityoap]

Perhaps he should have a word with his advisers about agreeing these terms.

[cdbearsfan]

I would bet good money (at least four English pounds) that more than one agent has said "we don't want to end up with a Harvey Elliott-type situation", or words to that effect, to a club in the most recent transfer window.

[Dave]

Perhaps he should have a word with his advisers about agreeing these terms.

I expect that he will have done. They'll probably have countered with "but Harvey, you said you wanted to join Villa and this was the only way that they could 'afford' to buy you".

[VILLA MOLE]

I would bet good money (at least four English pounds) that more than one agent has said "we don't want to end up with a Harvey Elliott-type situation", or words to that effect, to a club in the most recent transfer window.

yes we certainly have flagged up a deal like this 

[Sexual Ealing]

Perhaps he should have a word with his advisers about agreeing these terms.

Perhaps our sporting director could have spoken to our manager to check everyone was happy for the deal to proceed as agreed. Who knows, maybe that did happen, which would raise further questions.

[PaulWinch again]

Perhaps he should have a word with his advisers about agreeing these terms.

I expect that he will have done. They'll probably have countered with "but Harvey, you said you wanted to join Villa and this was the only way that they could 'afford' to buy you".

Indeed - and I think this is the point that seems to get overlooked a bit. When the deal was agreed, there’s no way the 10 games clause was designed as a get out if he didn’t hit the ground running. This was intended to be a permanent transfer that was structured as a loan to help our financial reg issues. The fact we’re using that clause to renege on the deal is something we can obviously do, but if I were another club I’d be pretty cautious in any dealings with us.

[Toronto Villa]

The bit that bothers also me about this deal is in the future how might other players view us as a play to come and play on loan. Will they be hesitant to join because they might find themselves in a similar predicament?

I don’t exonerate Emery from this and lay the blame exclusively at Monchi’s door as some might do. If we believe Emery for the power he has at the club, for bringing players in and for the deals that go well like Rogers for example, then he should be accountable for something like this where I very much doubt it was agreed to behind his back.

[brontebilly]

The bit that bothers also me about this deal is in the future how might other players view us as a play to come and play on loan. Will they be hesitant to join because they might find themselves in a similar predicament?

I don’t exonerate Emery from this and lay the blame exclusively at Monchi’s door as some might do. If we believe Emery for the power he has at the club, for bringing players in and for the deals that go well like Rogers for example, then he should be accountable for something like this where I very much doubt it was agreed to behind his back.

It's not just Elliot. I dont think Emery ever got Malen back onside after the CL squad debacle.

But we are odds on for yet another season of qualifying for European football so there is that.

[Toronto Villa]

The Malen thing was unfortunate too. I mean I see why that was made in the end but not understanding, if that’s what it was that we could only switch out 3 players for the CL squad was poor by us. And if it was intentional then it doesn’t make it any better. We need to be much better at incoming transfers because as we have all discussed at length the vast majority of the starting line up was inherited by Unai and they are all getting older together. We need to be able to bring in starting players in the next few windows not just players to buy and sell quickly.

[TheToffnar]

The bit that bothers also me about this deal is in the future how might other players view us as a play to come and play on loan. Will they be hesitant to join because they might find themselves in a similar predicament?

I don’t exonerate Emery from this and lay the blame exclusively at Monchi’s door as some might do. If we believe Emery for the power he has at the club, for bringing players in and for the deals that go well like Rogers for example, then he should be accountable for something like this where I very much doubt it was agreed to behind his back.

Couldn't agree more. All this tip toeing around laying the blame anywhere near Emerys feet is daft. He's just as accountable for the deal and it's failings as Monchi. More so, if anything.

[Sexual Ealing]

I'm getting real Mandelson vibes here. I wonder whether Emery will make it until the FA Cup 4th round. He's going to have to lose Pako at the very least, he's poison out here in the shires.

[N'ZMAV]

I wonder if this balls up by Monchi, along with forcing Ramsey out was the end of his time here??

[Toronto Villa]

See I don’t buy that. Monchi was said to have some personal interests in Spain also that he wanted to pursue. Monchi certainly played his role in how our transfers played out. And we can all question some of them. But there were quite a few that looked at independently worked out very well for us. Ramsey had a contract he didn’t sign. We fucked up at Man U so it put our summer into the shitter. So decisions had to be made and Ramsey was clearly an unpopular one but from a PSR standpoint made sense. The whole Emi thing too. That could have been handled better by all parties.

[Flamingo Lane]

Given the apparent terms of the loan, and our injury situation, bringing him on for just a few minutes v Brentford last Sunday seems very odd indeed.