Harvey Elliott (signed on loan)

[brontebilly]

If we end up paying £35m for him then it's another huge transfer market mistake.

What's qualifying for the CL worth? Elliot is a bit samey to our other options unfortunately. They all want to come in field

[aj2k77]

He isn't going to be the difference between qualifying or not. There's nothing Emery has saw in him in 5 months leading up to now to pick him.

[eamonn]

With the 10 game clause - 5 of them have to be in the second half of the season, and we're assuming it's all comps.

He played Thursday and today, so we've got two more left. With Onana and Barkley likely back next week, it seems that another 3 months with no games or even getting on the bench is on the cards unless a new agreement is reached with Liverpool tomorrow.

[Dave]

With the 10 game clause - 5 of them have to be in the second half of the season, and we're assuming it's all comps.

If this now apparently true thing is true, can you give me plausible answers to these three questions:

(1) why, with all the news about ten game periods, all of the well-connected journalists Who Know Things knew the ten game thing and have reported it didn't know about this weird "but five of them have to be in the second half of the season"  subclause? They apparently knew the rest of it last September, why not this bit?

(2) why, why the fuck is that a clause? Who is it to protect or help? In the room where the various representatives of Villa, Liverpool and Elliott are meeting, who is banging their hand on the table and chucking in "BUT! Five games need to be after *checks notes* sometime at the end of January. There's definitely a reason this is important".

(3) most obviously, if this is true it then we could have used him as much as wanted. There's now a weird clause that means we don't have to sign him unless five of the games are later than some random point in January. So...he doesn't now need to be sitting at home for the last four months and we can just use him like anyone else?

[ChicagoLion]

Agree Dave, it doesn’t add up.

[Villan82]

Keep him out of the squad. Nothing against the bloke, but that crazy winning run we were on coincided with hi being out of the squad and I just think he is all wrong for us.

It coincided with our best 3 midfielders being fit.

Er, we started the season very badly including Elliot being singled out by Emery in our drab draw with Sunderland. Elliot was nowhere during that amazing 15 wins in 17 games period

[eamonn]

I'm just going on what John Percy wrote a week ago - I assume he's more clued-in than we are. Sounds like he had only discovered the 5 games being "rationed" bit quite recently. Do you think he's made it up? Feels like a weird thing to pluck from the air and put your name to.

How many games do you think Elliott has left in his Villa "allowance"?

[ldavfc4eva]

With Harvey getting a couple of appearances this past week, perhaps Liverpool will be more amenable to altering the loan conditions?

Still don’t see the point of him being here and not playing because we don’t want to buy him

Hopefully common sense comes into play today and they remove the game allowance from the contract

[ChicagoLion]

I'm just going on what John Percy wrote a week ago - I assume he's more clued-in than we are. Sounds like he had only discovered the 5 games being "rationed" bit quite recently. Do you think he's made it up? Feels like a weird thing to pluck from the air and put your name to.

How many games do you think Elliott has left in his Villa "allowance"?

It doesn’t explain why he was no where near the bench even when we knew him playing in the first half of the season did not count.

[Halfway to Moseley]

I haven’t seen anything from in few matches he’s played to suggest he’ll improve the team. Gets dispossessed alarmingly easily.

[Ian.]

I’d put any of his failings at the moment due to lack of game time. It’s impossible to judge a player who’s had an hours worth of football in the last 7 months or so.

[PeterWithe]

This scenario gets curiouser and curiouser.

[LeeB]

I haven’t seen anything from in few matches he’s played to suggest he’ll improve the team. Gets dispossessed alarmingly easily.

He's a bit slow as well.

[andyh]

He seems like a poor version of Buendia. The original version, not the improved, but regressing, version.

[Halfway to Moseley]

He seems like a poor version of Buendia. The original version, not the improved, but regressing, version.

That’s exactly what I’m seeing - but minus the tantrums at least. I’m not sure you can fully attribute that to lack of game time.