Palace post match BOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[saint13]

Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
………


AND REPEAT


AND REPEAT

It’s the biggest problem with modern football that the players who are the least comfortable with the ball and the lowest technical ability are the ones who have the ball more than anybody else on the pitch

Yes I coudn't agree more. It is a modern day blight on the game. Possession for possession sake. England had a massive problem under Southgate with Maguire having loads of the ball meaning they could not get out and were often pinned in, going nowhere.

[simon ward 50]

I daren't read any more of this thread!

[brontebilly]

Watching the first back Id pin that one mostly on Konsa too. No defensive screen to stop that first ball into the forward. But Konsa goes with him initially and then just stops up in no man's land. You either track the run and force the forward to play backwards or hold your position in the defensive line. He did neither. The forward is allowed to turn under no pressure and slips their winger into the gap that Konsa left. Cash is caught out of position too but nigh on impossible play offside with no pressure on a 10 yard pass from there. Keeper gets done with admittedly sharp footwork though it's a scenario Martinez usually deals with.

[London Villan]

Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
………


AND REPEAT


AND REPEAT

It’s the biggest problem with modern football that the players who are the least comfortable with the ball and the lowest technical ability are the ones who have the ball more than anybody else on the pitch

Yes I coudn't agree more. It is a modern day blight on the game. Possession for possession sake. England had a massive problem under Southgate with Maguire having loads of the ball meaning they could not get out and were often pinned in, going nowhere.

Joking aside, this is why Torres is so important to our system. He can pass and when he has Teilemans and Kamara in front, who take a pass under pressure, or the option of a long pass to a willing runner (in the past Bailey and Diaby) it means team do have to engage with us.

[brontebilly]

Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
………


AND REPEAT


AND REPEAT

It’s the biggest problem with modern football that the players who are the least comfortable with the ball and the lowest technical ability are the ones who have the ball more than anybody else on the pitch

Yes I coudn't agree more. It is a modern day blight on the game. Possession for possession sake. England had a massive problem under Southgate with Maguire having loads of the ball meaning they could not get out and were often pinned in, going nowhere.

Joking aside, this is why Torres is so important to our system. He can pass and when he has Teilemans and Kamara in front, who take a pass under pressure, or the option of a long pass to a willing runner (in the past Bailey and Diaby) it means team do have to engage with us.

Torres gave away the ball constantly v Brentford.

[London Villan]

"can pass" doing the hard work here.

[Mister E]

Watching the first back Id pin that one mostly on Konsa too. No defensive screen to stop that first ball into the forward. But Konsa goes with him initially and then just stops up in no man's land. You either track the run and force the forward to play backwards or hold your position in the defensive line. He did neither. The forward is allowed to turn under no pressure and slips their winger into the gap that Konsa left. Cash is caught out of position too but nigh on impossible play offside with no pressure on a 10 yard pass from there. Keeper gets done with admittedly sharp footwork though it's a scenario Martinez usually deals with.

Konsa and Cash were culpable for the 2nd goal, and the third goal came about because both had left the far post unmarked.

[brontebilly]

Watching the first back Id pin that one mostly on Konsa too. No defensive screen to stop that first ball into the forward. But Konsa goes with him initially and then just stops up in no man's land. You either track the run and force the forward to play backwards or hold your position in the defensive line. He did neither. The forward is allowed to turn under no pressure and slips their winger into the gap that Konsa left. Cash is caught out of position too but nigh on impossible play offside with no pressure on a 10 yard pass from there. Keeper gets done with admittedly sharp footwork though it's a scenario Martinez usually deals with.

Konsa and Cash were culpable for the 2nd goal, and the third goal came about because both had left the far post unmarked.

Agreed, Cash definitely as culpable for the third goal as he was for the second

[VILLA MOLE]

lets have a look at the kid who came on for him

[ChicagoLion]

Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
………


AND REPEAT


AND REPEAT

It’s the biggest problem with modern football that the players who are the least comfortable with the ball and the lowest technical ability are the ones who have the ball more than anybody else on the pitch

Yes I coudn't agree more. It is a modern day blight on the game. Possession for possession sake. England had a massive problem under Southgate with Maguire having loads of the ball meaning they could not get out and were often pinned in, going nowhere.

Joking aside, this is why Torres is so important to our system. He can pass and when he has Teilemans and Kamara in front, who take a pass under pressure, or the option of a long pass to a willing runner (in the past Bailey and Diaby) it means team do have to engage with us.

The first pass he made when he came on was straight to a Palace player.

[AlexAlexCropley]

Watching the first back Id pin that one mostly on Konsa too. No defensive screen to stop that first ball into the forward. But Konsa goes with him initially and then just stops up in no man's land. You either track the run and force the forward to play backwards or hold your position in the defensive line. He did neither. The forward is allowed to turn under no pressure and slips their winger into the gap that Konsa left. Cash is caught out of position too but nigh on impossible play offside with no pressure on a 10 yard pass from there. Keeper gets done with admittedly sharp footwork though it's a scenario Martinez usually deals with.

Konsa and Cash were culpable for the 2nd goal, and the third goal came about because both had left the far post unmarked.

Wasn't Cash subbed prior to the third?

[Richard E]

Well he definitely wasn’t marking his man in that case.

[brontebilly]

Watching the first back Id pin that one mostly on Konsa too. No defensive screen to stop that first ball into the forward. But Konsa goes with him initially and then just stops up in no man's land. You either track the run and force the forward to play backwards or hold your position in the defensive line. He did neither. The forward is allowed to turn under no pressure and slips their winger into the gap that Konsa left. Cash is caught out of position too but nigh on impossible play offside with no pressure on a 10 yard pass from there. Keeper gets done with admittedly sharp footwork though it's a scenario Martinez usually deals with.

Konsa and Cash were culpable for the 2nd goal, and the third goal came about because both had left the far post unmarked.

Wasn't Cash subbed prior to the third?

🎯

[RamboandBruno]

Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
Cash to Konsa to Mings,
Mings to Konsa to Cash,
………


AND REPEAT


AND REPEAT

It’s the biggest problem with modern football that the players who are the least comfortable with the ball and the lowest technical ability are the ones who have the ball more than anybody else on the pitch

Yes I coudn't agree more. It is a modern day blight on the game. Possession for possession sake. England had a massive problem under Southgate with Maguire having loads of the ball meaning they could not get out and were often pinned in, going nowhere.

Joking aside, this is why Torres is so important to our system. He can pass and when he has Teilemans and Kamara in front, who take a pass under pressure, or the option of a long pass to a willing runner (in the past Bailey and Diaby) it means team do have to engage with us.

The first pass he made when he came on was straight to a Palace player.

Without rehashing the whole debate, I think the point being made, is when he’s on his game, as he was for most of 23/24, he has a range of passing that gets us out of defence on the attack much more dynamically. There can three truisms here that don’t contradict….if Torres can get his form back, our passing out of defence can be much quicker and fluid. Mings is much physically stronger and combative than Torres and Mings and Konsa will always slow our build up play down in a way (an on form) Torres doesn’t.

Squaring the circle is the bit Unai and this forum is struggling with