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Online Rudy Can't Fail

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Re: Other Games 2025-26
« Reply #21075 on: Today at 03:25:40 PM »
It doesn't matter on PL rulings. It matters on EFL rulings. However, the same as people on here, there is definitely a world of difference between Leeds doing it without any specific rules in place at the time AND them doing it repeatedly when there were specific rules in place. And the £200million pound game is why they should be fucked off from the play-offs.

Agreed. Them be the rules. It really is that simple.

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« Reply #21076 on: Today at 03:37:16 PM »
The punishment does fit the crime because the cheating took place ahead of that specific game. If they’d cheated in a game mid season they could expect the result from that game to be overturned. It’s hardly the league’s fault that it was a playoff semi.

Maybe the league should have said explicitly that the punishments were per game. They lost the others so it would have had no effect on the final standings and could have demonstrated consistency and set a useful precedent.

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Re: Other Games 2025-26
« Reply #21077 on: Today at 03:39:17 PM »
I reckon the league didn't expect anyone to be so stupid as to spy again after Leeds and the introduction of a specific rule. If I ran the EFL i'd kick them out of the football league for being too stupid to be a professional club.

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« Reply #21078 on: Today at 03:39:20 PM »
It’s shining a light on how weak the Chelsea punishment was.

Yes, we know it was weak, but that was the PL decision and not the EFL's one.

I'd also wonder if when you're punishing a sporting infringement whether there's a difference between an offence against a specific team (i.e Southampton against Middlesbrough) which could mean the punishment compensating the other side, and a general offence of being financially dodgy (i.e Chelsea).

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« Reply #21079 on: Today at 03:58:31 PM »
It’s shining a light on how weak the Chelsea punishment was.

Yes, we know it was weak, but that was the PL decision and not the EFL's one.

I'd also wonder if when you're punishing a sporting infringement whether there's a difference between an offence against a specific team (i.e Southampton against Middlesbrough) which could mean the punishment compensating the other side, and a general offence of being financially dodgy (i.e Chelsea).

Good point. Possibly a grey area if one team misses out on UCL, for instance, based on the advantage given by the financial cheating.

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« Reply #21080 on: Today at 03:59:46 PM »
It also would have been interesting if the cheating was constrained to one match. However they have proven evidence from two other clubs at least over the last 6 months and I suspect the only reason other clubs haven't complained is because he wasn't spotted as I can't believe they only decided to do this against Oxford in December, Ipswich in April and Boro in May.

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« Reply #21081 on: Today at 04:10:29 PM »
And by extension Southampton benefitted from cheating at the expense of Wrexham who just missed out on the play offs. If I were them I'd be asking for a play off vs Boro. The solution wont be the fairest as it will fit round logistics and peoples holidays and the tv schedules.

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« Reply #21082 on: Today at 04:15:24 PM »
And by extension Southampton benefitted from cheating at the expense of Wrexham who just missed out on the play offs. If I were them I'd be asking for a play off vs Boro. The solution wont be the fairest as it will fit round logistics and peoples holidays and the tv schedules.

Is that proven? I thought the only game they cheated on and won was the Boro semifinal?

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« Reply #21083 on: Today at 04:22:23 PM »
They were found guilty of spying against two league teams who had proof the guy was also there, and the Boro play-offs. Whilst I stated I can't believe those were the only ones, the punishment is only on the proven ones. Lovejoy, who initially thought there was nothing wrong with what they did, now wants either Millwall or Wrexham to play matches again for some arbituary (and really stupid) reasons.

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« Reply #21084 on: Today at 04:27:00 PM »
From December:


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« Reply #21085 on: Today at 04:48:45 PM »
The stupidity of Southampton doing what they did is pretty remarkable. Spying on Oxford United's training session. Really? Do they honestly have nothing better to do with their resources?

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« Reply #21086 on: Today at 04:51:36 PM »
From December:



There’s attention to detail and then there’s cheating.

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« Reply #21087 on: Today at 04:54:14 PM »
Imaigine thinking that you need to spy on a shit Oxford side, actually spying on them, and still losing. It's impressive to be that shit and stupid.

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« Reply #21088 on: Today at 04:54:32 PM »
They were found guilty of spying against two league teams who had proof the guy was also there, and the Boro play-offs. Whilst I stated I can't believe those were the only ones, the punishment is only on the proven ones. Lovejoy, who initially thought there was nothing wrong with what they did, now wants either Millwall or Wrexham to play matches again for some arbituary (and really stupid) reasons.

The original post was when this was a bloke taking photos from behind a tree. If that was it I would still say it was just a fine similar to when Leeds did the same thing.
But the fact pattern has moved on since then and so has my view. You point out my evolving perspective as if it is a bad thing. It is important that people continually process facts as they become available when forming conclusions and your posts, in criticising this, suggests you don't do it. Well try it you will be a more rounded and less argumentative individual.
On the Wrexham point specifically, rather than being arbitrary I am simply extending the logic of the findings. You are within your rights to think they are stupid, if logic isn't your thing. The EFL said Southampton were banned from the playoffs and Southampton admitted to 3 instances which we are aware of of cheating. As even you state above, it would be astonishing if there were just 3 instances. So the logic of excluding them from the play offs would mean the next team down would step up and also that it isn't just Boro who have been offended against but their other peers at the top of the table. I do not understand why the beneficiary of the penalty should be restricted to Boro. it seems they are trying to fit a solution into a short timeframe for the benefit of tv scheduling rather than coming to a fair and balanced solution.

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« Reply #21089 on: Today at 04:57:46 PM »
There are 3 games that there is proof of them cheating. Two were league games that they took 1 point from. They finished 9 points ahead of Wxm so there's not much of a case for Wrexham.

 


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