Thomas Bramall

[Goldenballs]

Paddy Power:

🚨 JUSTICE PAYOUT 🚨

After the refereeing howler yesterday at Old Trafford, we have PAID OUT on the following:

⚽️ Morgan Rogers first goalscorer
⚽️ Morgan Rogers anytime goalscorer
⚽️ Morgan Rogers to score or assist
⚽️ Morgan Rogers shot on target
5️⃣ Aston Villa to finish Top 5

It's from their X, I assume it's genuine. Good bit of marketing.

[Drummond]

I agree with Sam and Paul and hop.

[tomd2103]

This Var can’t get involved once the ref  blows his whistle……

https://x.com/jimivillan/status/1926725852374421917?s=48&t=LVxR0Bw9iameEdYaLirmDw

That's nothing like the same thing though.

That's a penalty being given for an offence that happened while the game was taking place, like any other VAR decision.

Brighton player handballs it, VAR tells the referee he's missed it, play goes back.

It’s something like the same thing as the premise is that incidents can’t be looked at once the ref blows his whistle. They obviously can.

That's not what the issue is here. There was nothing for VAR to go back and look at, because anything that happens after the referee has blown his whistle isn't part of the game. There was no "incident" for them to judge. They could technically have gone back and said "yeah, actually that wasn't a foul", but we don't get the goal in those circumstances, because the goal was scored once the game had stopped.

In the example that bloke's posted, the equivalent would be the referee blowing the whistle for full-time, then Man Utd scoring and VAR giving the goal even though the game had ended.

I think a counter point in that example Dave would be that the ref has blown the whistle for full-time and the game has ended, yet VAR has got involved and awarded a penalty meaning that the game didn't end at the referee's whistle and would continue so the penalty could be taken.

I accept that it is tenuous, but it could be argued that the referee blew his whistle yesterday so the gane stopped at that point, but he did so incorrectly so what happened after should have stood.

I think it is the thought process aftet the foul rather than the ref's actual decision that was the problem.  He thought it was a foul so blew, no real issues with that as it was only when it was slowed down and showed from a different angle that you could actually see that it wasn't a foul.  Easy in hindsight, but he should have allowed Rogers to score and then awarded the foul which would have allowed VAR to have a look.

Frustrating as it's cost us, but in the bigger picture it's something that can be addressed as it wouldn't happen very often. 

[Gareth]

Howard Webb has the cushiest number in football…he literally goes missing the moment there is anything controversial.  Should have been all over that utter cock up yesterday but will no doubt maintain radio silence.

That’s why I wasn’t against the statement because anything that ramps up some pressure on that failure is good.  Standards of officiating just isn’t improving….after 4 years they are nowhere nearer getting VAR working properly….they always dumb down on bad decisions and every year we’ll get another set of bonkers regulations to make it even harder for the officials. 

Human error can be accepted if you think it will improve in time but it just doesn’t and that idiot just doesn’t take any accountability.

Riley was terrible…Webb is as bad! 

[Brend'Watkins]

The bigger picture is that we are financially much worse off, likely to miss out on players that might improve us and so on. The very big picture is that the whole point of VAR is that errors such as this are righted.

[ChicagoLion]

It’s up there with the most consequential reffing mistakes.
I wonder how the Dipstick is feeling today.

[The Edge]

Howard Webb has the cushiest number in football…he literally goes missing the moment there is anything controversial.  Should have been all over that utter cock up yesterday but will no doubt maintain radio silence.

That’s why I wasn’t against the statement because anything that ramps up some pressure on that failure is good.  Standards of officiating just isn’t improving….after 4 years they are nowhere nearer getting VAR working properly….they always dumb down on bad decisions and every year we’ll get another set of bonkers regulations to make it even harder for the officials. 

Human error can be accepted if you think it will improve in time but it just doesn’t and that idiot just doesn’t take any accountability.

Riley was terrible…Webb is as bad!

Excellent points about Howard Webb. He's literally Chief Arse Coverer for PGMOL and match officials. PGMOL released a statement saying the ref got it right because the keeper had the ball under control. A blind man on  galloping horse could see that the keeper at no point had the ball under control. Their cover has been blown by all the pundits saying the opposite and even second in command arse coverer Dermot the Herbert Gallagher has said it was a legitimate goal and a huge cock up. So can we expect an official statement from Webb? I very much  doubt it. Spineless twat.

[jwarry]

It’s up there with the most consequential reffing mistakes.
I wonder how the Dipstick is feeling today.

I started this thread in anger, but on reflection he has apparently acknowledged his mistake and he is a young referee who will learn from this, so I hope he does and goes on to be come a top referee - but I will still boo him  if he is ever selected for one of our games!

[ChicagoLion]

It’s up there with the most consequential reffing mistakes.
I wonder how the Dipstick is feeling today.

I started this thread in anger, but on reflection he has apparently acknowledged his mistake and he is a young referee who will learn from this, so I hope he does and goes on to be come a top referee - but I will still boo him  if he is ever selected for one of our games!

I will never forgive him.

[Richard E]

I hope he gets really disappointing Christmas presents for the next few years.

[edgysatsuma89]

Can't go forgiving people for making mistakes 😡. Prison would be too good for him, and even then he'd just get to play PlayStation all day 😤.

[The Edge]

Can't go forgiving people for making mistakes 😡. Prison would be too good for him, and even then he'd just get to play PlayStation all day 😤.

I agree. A public flogging in front of the Holte End would be suitable punishment.

[cdbearsfan]

I'd make him rewatch the Wimbledon vs Walsall playoff final on a loop. That'll teach the bastard.

[London Villan]

Has he officially acknowledged his mistake?

[edgysatsuma89]

I'd make him rewatch the Wimbledon vs Walsall playoff final on a loop. That'll teach the bastard.

The only reason I'm on here is because that game bored me to tears. Walsall not qualifying from their position... god knows what their players are feeling.